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An AICN reader has seen George Lucas' long in development film, RED TAILS... sounds really damn good to me!

Published at: Oct. 14, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

Hey folks, Harry here...   I'm not entirely sure when I first heard about George Lucas wanting to make RED TAILS...  but I think I was still in High School.   I know for certain that when the STAR WARS SPECIAL EDITIONS were first being theatrically released, he was talking it up in some interviews...  and we all know how much George loves WWII aerial combat.   So I've been waiting for the first word on this flick and this sounds fantastic!   Now...  here's Chauncey with the scoop!

 

 


Just got in from a screening of Red Tails and thought I would share. The film is being released in January 2012.

 
Red Tails is better than any other movie made to date about the legendary Tuskegee Airmen. Given the competition that is not a surprise. Does it hurt the film? Absolutely not.
 
Anthony Hemingway, John Ridley, Aaron McGruder (of theBoondocks) and producer George Lucas have combined to deliver a fun and more than serviceable (as well as very respectful to the subject matter) movie about the awe inspiring Tuskegee airmen. With a full cast of marquee actors such as Terrence Howard, Cuba Gooding Jr., and a range of folks from HBO's The Wire, the movie is overflowing with familiar faces.
 
Red Tails is George Lucas's long in the making vanity film about the all African American 332nd Fighter Group during World War 2--a time when Jim and Jane Crow segregation was the law of the land, and "separate but equal" was thought to be a military and social necessity. The movie is corny. It is predictable. There are no surprises here with the plot or character development. And for those folks who possess even a passing familiarity with the Tuskegee Airmen's story and the "Double V" campaign by black Americans for victory abroad against fascism, and at home against white supremacy, Red Tails is a very much by the numbers movie.
 
Consequently, Red Tails features the obligatory scenes where the black airmen stand up to white bigots and "earn" their respect. There are moments of esprit de corps where the black airmen reflect on the need for race pride, dignity, and excellence in the face of white racism. The Tuskegee airmen are the perennial underdogs, who along with a few self-interested white allies, earn their shot at the big time and deliver brilliantly. The Germans are one dimensional villains and caricatures. As is now obligatory (and quite problematic) in movies about black G.I.'s in World War 2, there is an interracial love story where one of the African American protagonists falls in love with a beautiful white woman and race is curiously omitted as an obstacle in their relationship.
 
We know that George Lucas loves speed. To point: the dogfights are thrilling, chaotic, and visceral as they embody a love of machines that began on the screen back with American Graffiti and continued through to Star Wars (the soundtrack and effects were still being finalized, but there are clearly sounds lifted from the pod race in Episode Oneinserted into the dogfights when the P-51 Mustangs square off against the German Luftwaffe). As a bit of a grognard and gear head, to my eyes at least, George Lucas employed some solid military consultants as the planes don't float like u.f.o.'s--they have real weight and gravity as they move across the screen. Red Tails also features some nice details in the insignia and nose art of the Tuskegee Airmen's Warhawks and Mustangs, which in total work to give an air of authenticity to the film.
 
In all, Red Tails is a mix of the 1990s World War 2 movie Memphis Belle, and such classics as Twelve O'Clock High and The Flying Leathernecks. Consequently, the nostalgia level is turned way up, and the dialogue is both self-consciously and unapologetically aware of its melodrama. Thus, there are several times when the film force feeds nationalism and patriotism down the audience's throat.
 
I will forgive George Lucas and the writers of Red Tails that aesthetic and narrative choice. For a variety of reasons, Black Americans (and other people of color) never got their corny, jingoistic, nostalgia laden mass market World War 2 movie (Windtalkers excluded). Now we have it in Red Tails. Will the movie do good business given that America is exhausted and made cynical by an imperial misadventure in Iraq and a losing war in Afghanistan? Perhaps, many potential movie goers will be turned off by a film that is not Saving Private Ryan. There are likely others who yearn for a return to a simple story of good guys and bad guys where the lines of right and wrong are clearly drawn.
 
In the Age of Obama, I will forgive a bit of flat history and two dimensional character and plot development. It took decades, but we finally have a technically competent, compelling, World War 2 action movie where black folks are treated with respect, dignity, and not as sideshows to our own history (the excellent movie A Soldier's Story is a different genre).
 
I would like to thank you George. As a life long Star Wars fan and unapologetic ghetto nerd, you have earned back some of my love. It is appreciated and respected. I may not forgive you the misstep that was The Phantom Menace, but with Red Tails you showed me that you still have heart.
 
Chauncey Devega from the blog We Are Respectable Negroes says...

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  • Oct. 14, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Nice...

    by Philvis

    Anything with WWII aerial combat is a go for me. Can't wait to see this!

  • George Lucas..a legend in his own mind.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10 a.m. CST

    If this movie is rated PG-13....it's gonna suck

    by Michael Lunney

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST

    It wasn't just Phantom Menace that was a misstep.

    by Fah-Cue

    It was ALL of the prequels (yes, Revenge of the Sith also), the current versions of the original trilogy, The Crystal Skull, Howard the Duck, and the SW Christmas Special. And don't forget ewoks. This reviewer lost credibility with me just for that one comment.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST

    ahem

    by smylexx

    Of course, there is already a decent movie about the Tuskegee Airmen. It's called 'The Tuskegee Airmen' funnily enough.

  • I wonder if he even met Michael Bay?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:14 a.m. CST

    What a poorly written article this is

    by Michael Lunney

    To the writer of this article - You said – In the Age of Obama, I will forgive a bit of flat history and two dimensional character and plot development. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? It is now Obama’s fault if a movie isn’t perfect? Your writing is a convoluted, contradictory mess of crap. Her’s another great excerpt – Red Tails is better than any other movie made to date about the legendary Tuskegee Airmen. Given the competition that is not a surprise. Does it hurt the film? Absolutely not. Does WHAT hurt the film? The other Tuskegee airman movies that you say aren’t as good as this one? Huh? Like WTF, HUH?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    The reviewer lost me when he toad the typical sheeppeople line...

    by ZodNotGod

    about The Phantom Menance. Damn near 15 years later and the bitterness with you fucking geeks is still volatile. Give it a fucking rest and put it to bed. YOU are in the minority.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Damn typos....the word is "towed"...

    by ZodNotGod

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    But what about Brian Cox?

    by ray a

    WTF!?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    by GulDucati

    Okay, so George makes a movie about African American airmen. Does that absolve him for the steppin' fetchit insult of a 1930's black stereotype that was Jar Jar Binks?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    The prequel trilogy is clever

    by Joely_Boy

    One man's personal aspiration of turning a republic into an empire, just so he can have absolute power... there's a lot of echoes of ancient Rome in the prequels, it's great.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST

    RE: If this movie is rated PG-13....it's gonna suck

    by ZodNotGod

    Sarcasm I hope? Does that mean, "Bridge on the River Kwai," Guns of Naverone," "The Dirty Dozen," "Von Ryan's Express" all suck too?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    RE: by arkhaminmate001

    by ZodNotGod

    WRONGO! It's amazing how you bitter geeks love to rewrite a persons narrative to fit your own cynical view of reality, no matter how full of shit it may be. WAY TO GO, VIRTIGO! WAY TO GO!

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Just as kids used to love Bart

    by Joely_Boy

    as the main character of early Simpsons episodes, and adults picked up on the subtle jokes and satire, you can love the Star Wars prequels for the space-opera, or love it for the underlying allegories of real-world politics. The Imperials talk about the senate in the first fifteen minutes of A New Hope you know. Star Wars was always about politics. I think there's some genius ideas in the prequel trilogy. Forgive it it's shortcomings and revisit it one day! Good shit!

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Uh, yeah. I'll put it on my Netflix list. Maybe.

    by BeanGrud

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Do they fly sideways when they shoot?

    by torontoxic

    This impartial viewer sure seems to know an awful lot about the source material. Good for you black people. You got a movie about a handful of people with the same skin colour as you. Equality! Hey when can we see a movie about the 20 million Russians who died? I'm sure a few had some pretty good tans from the whole scorched earth thing.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    mix of Memphis Belle,as Twelve O'Clock High, and The Flying Leathernecks

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Sounds like crap to me.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    What a poorly written comment yours is

    by chauncey devega

    Sorry, wrote that at 3am so folks could get it here first because I am a fan of the AICN. I apologize for trying to share some info. More seriously, thanks for the catch. I have a slightly edited piece up elsewhere. I corrected the reference to "previous Tuskegee airmen films." Sounded good in my head, didn't come across clear on the page. If you don't get "the Age of Obama" allusion I can't help you. You are either in the circle or outside of it. Convoluted? No. Messy. Not really. Crap of course not. Fan boys are so much fun!

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST

    For a second there I thought it was Red Nails...drat!

    by Damned if I can login

    One'a the best REH Conan stories. Anywho, I have the two Tuskegee Airmen GI Joes...pretty cool figures.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Spinning is a good trick.

    by SmokingRobot

    WW2 airplanes are not spaceships. Sorry, George.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    I don't really get the Age of Obama thing either

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Is it in reference to the current state of cinema or politics in general. Is it that we've set the bar so low, that as long as something isn't a total failure, it's acceptable.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    hey mcgootoo don't be an ASSHOLE...

    by arthur

    let the man be.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Sounds like a WWII genre exercise like De Palma's Mission to Mars

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Over the years I've come to like Mission to Mars knowing that it is really nothing more than a 1950's sci-fi film (taking the corny dialogue and cliched story lines and all) but in overblown CGI circa the year 2000.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Why don't you guys have the trailer up on this site?

    by crazybubba

    its up on the blog. thanks for the link not sure if I'll see this or not. Howard and Gooding are good actors but not the inspirational types like Denzel, Don Cheadle or even Anthony Mackie. Howard and Gooding have the name recognition but its too bad they couldn't have given some of the guys from the Wire bigger roles.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Toe the line

    by durhay

    c'mon

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Star wars original movies

    by emeraldboy

    were all about luke skywalker and him wanting to know who is father was. so the prequels were all about anakin skywalker. from his birth to meeting senator palpatine. obi wan says to luke that anakin slaughtered the jedi knights while he was under the influence of Palpatine. prequel hater obviously dont agree with lucas that this was something we needed to see. lucas felt, i guess that the audience needed it explained how anakin became lord vader. prequels haters think otherwise.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:36 a.m. CST

    real villain in star wars is palpatine

    by emeraldboy

    and not lord vader.

  • Not even close.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Mr. McGooToo, why does a WWII dogfight movie have to be "R"?

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    This is not the firebombing of Tokyo, this is not Hiroshima. Why on earth should it be rated "R"? Honestly. This fixation on rateings is one of the most foolish areguements in current film discussions here and elsewhere. If a director has their choice of materials without major studio interference, why insist on an "R" rateing? In my eyes it this is type of thinking that continues to debase the content of our films - but from the studio side of things. Their current belief that in order for a film comedy to attract audiences it must be either rated G (and in order to drawn in audiences implementing crude and witless body humour to no end, and a parcel of abbreviated curse words that attempt at edginess but honestly make you wish for days when language on film either was or was not and not made merely to get a cheap laught but made as a tapestry, a way to understand, not just a marketing ploy to cater to current culture) or rated R. This is not to say that great entertainment films haven't been made under this servitude to an audience base, but it is a hollow achievement to pull in a great opening weekend by devotion purely to genre and rateing and the audience members with which it is currently most vogue to go to the cineplex. It is foolish, and a crude device. I know folks want to make enough money to keep makeing films, but it is a heartless and blind way of doing this wonderful business. I lament it - it is not the end, but it is a sorry state. And fuck "R-rated horror" for the sake of R-rated horror.

  • That sentence is completely useless and pointless AND that is why this movie is probably a pile of shit!

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    It seems as if the European Tintin reviews are out

    by Samuel Fulmer

    If anyone cares.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    And Supermarch

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    That is a bit too much of a bigoted statement. Don't espouse such lines merely because you type fast and give easily to anger on internet boards. The reason that those fighter squadrons and groups of solderis matter is this: you take a group of people that you say it is not equipped to defend the country they live in, have been a part of for generations - for good or for ill. And for the most part you give them jobs peeling potatoes or mopping floors. But there's too much need, too much persistance to let them fight. So, they can't mingle with the predominant race, so you give them their own unit. Hopefully, they'll sink and you don't have to go through with this nonsense anymore - they will prove your point for you: that the prevailing notion that all of their kind is lazy, stupid, and cowardly is not merely a stereotype but a racially engrained set of character traits. Not their fault, they are just black. So you give them the units. Small groups. Just a handful. And you know what they do? They go beyound the call of duty. They shock their superiors, even those predisposed to doubt them. They fight with as much valor as any American soldier would be proud of; and not only that, they fight harder. They see themselves as a representation of their people, their families back home. The mothers and fathers and aunts and uncles and brothers that they know are worth it, that they know are the best people they know but are constantly derided, hidden under a blanket of skin that has them called witless, double-handed, selfish and crude. They do it to prove what they already know: that they are human beings and worth their life, no matter what the prevailing thought is. The rise of the African American race in America to a place of promenience is one of the best stories we can tell. Yeah - it is a hard story, and one fraught with hatred on both sides. It is one story comprised of millions, of sticky relationships and choices that do not always enoble their creators. But it is an American story, and one worth telling. You know what happened when a battleship was sinking in the harbour at Pearl Harbour? A cook, a black cook, a man who had previously been denied a battlefield commission despite try after try, he saw an enemy aircraft mercililessly straffing men in the water, hurling gallons of diesel fuel into flames about the men who stood in it - and he always saw an unmanned anti-aircraft gun. He is one of the few who fought back that day. And it isn't important that he was black - what is important is that no one thought he could do it, no one thought he could be brave and so no one gave him a chance. And on a day when thousands of men ran in panic, he saw one battle he could fight. And he did so, courageously. It is about seeing a man for what he is, and not being blinded by centuries of hand-me-down ideas about the meaning of skin colour. Sir, it is one of the most important moments in our nation's history, when black men were able to prove themselves on the battlefield. It has made us a better place - believe me on that one.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    I'll d/l the torrent when it's available

    by ATARI

    I'm done giving that SOB any more of my money. <br> <br>

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Yousa say people gwanna die?

    by NeonFrisbee

    40 acres and a mule? Gee!

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Giving Bubbs some love

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I hope Michael brings his shotty to the party

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Weird, I read it thinking it was a mostly negative review

    by Bass Ackwards

    Then the last paragraph came out loving it. Go figure.

  • And this point had already been made quite clear a lot by the time SAVING PRIVATE RYAN came about. For some reason, this bulshit notion that WWII was a clear cut war between total right vs total bad start to emerge in recent years. Even the war that had nazis in it things were not black-and-white as recent bullshit notions make it out to be like.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    What about the obligatory "black guy

    by mexxican

    teaches white guy how to dance" scene?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    by gulducati

    by ZodNotGod

    I'm 37 y/o and I had no clue what a Stephin Fetchet was until the idiots revived it and applied it to Jar Jar...so thanks. way to go...good one! And would the actor who played Jar Jar, Ahmed Best, who is black accept a role, (would he remain silent to the media afterwards) if he felt it was a negative stereotype? Hmmmmmm?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Mr. McGooToo, why does a WWII dogfight movie have to be "R"?

    by ZodNotGod

    So I guess since"Poltergiest" is PG it sucks? Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho as well... *sigh.

  • Wow. Let me rest my head, because I can't handle such a mind blowing concept. Even the reviewer has said it's corny and predictable, with no surprises evident. Now maybe kids can learn something that I'm not sure is taught in history class, but outside of that, it sounds awful.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Ahem

    by ZodNotGod

    -" Thus, there are several times when the film force feeds nationalism and patriotism down the audience's throat." THIS is utter bullshit! People actually loved their country in those days and wanted to fight so to say this as critique is inaccurate and totally ignorant of history. Imagine Saving Private Ryan without the patriotism and flag waving? Ugh. Seriously you liberal cunts need to grow a pair.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    chaunceydevega is a racist retard

    by torontoxic

    I'm not the pope so no need to address me with your laughably stupid attempts at sounding like a professional. You're quite obviously hung up on race and it governs your every thought and action. That's called being a bigot. Nobody gives two shits about these "brave heroes" because of their race and without that they're no fucking different than the millions of other men who did a hell of a lot more and get no mention in history let alone a bunch of movies and the admiration of everyone who consider them 'their own kind'. That age of Obama statement was outright fucking horrible. He's the worst president in 30 years and you think its a golden age just because he's half black? The rise of prominence for African Americans? I'm pretty sure we're supposed to say black now. Or did that switch again. Better question: who the fuck cares. I wouldn't boast about that so called rise when it seems to coincide with such a disastrous economy. I guess you're not affected by that though since in this age of enlightenment and equality you're getting every helping hand possible to make the playing field uneven so you can compete. <P> Like I said...where's the movie about the 20 million Russians who did more to win that war than any black man could ever fathom? <P> Thanks for clarifying for everyone: THIS MOVIE IS OBVIOUSLY A BAG OF SHIT AND ONLY A COMPLETE RACIST COULD STOMACH IT. <P> Now crawl back into your hole and wait for the next handout. You've only got until next year before it all stops and America starts on its road to recovery from the mistake of electing someone based on racism.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    I was hoping for.......

    by whatevillurks

    .....an interrogation scene between a downed pilot and his German captor. It was common for the German's to play on the irony of fighting for a country that didnt like you in these interrogations.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Age of Obama?

    by Chris Moody

    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE NATION RECENTLY? THAT 'HOPE AND CHANGE' IS KILLING JOBS, KILLING CONSUMER CONFIDENCE and DESTROYING AMERICA'S POSITION IN THE WORLD. Mr. Obama, 'KEEP THE CHANGE!!!

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Age of Obama?

    by Chris Moody

    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE NATION RECENTLY? THAT 'HOPE AND CHANGE' IS KILLING JOBS, KILLING CONSUMER CONFIDENCE and DESTROYING AMERICA'S POSITION IN THE WORLD. Mr. Obama, 'KEEP THE CHANGE!!!

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Age of Obama?

    by Chris Moody

    I don't know why my post isn't posting correctly, but this is what I wrote BEFORE the hypothetical quote from Herman Cain to Barack Obama. This is about the be the "Age of Cain." A debate between Obama and Cain would be interesting. Obama would spit out a few ambiguous "hope and change" words. Cain would respond:

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Age of Obama 2:

    by Chris Moody

    Cain would respoind: "What the HELL are you talking about? Have you looked at the nation recently? That 'HOPE & CHANGE' is killing jobs, killing consumer confidence and destroying America's position in the world. Mr. Obama, 'KEEP THE CHANGE!!!"

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Age of Obama....LOL! More like Fail-age of Obama, amirite?

    by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    the Age of Obama is

    by TheCAT7225

    The age where Americans are supposed to be ashamed themselves, rely on their government to do all their thinking for them, and tax the hell out of those of us who work to make up for the gov's reckless spending. I love the "no one wants to see this movie because of anger for US in Iraq and Afghanistan" line we see all the time. It NONSENSE! Hopefully the Age of Obama ends in 2012.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    No one's talking about Star Wars?

    by Larry Sellers

    Noooooooooooooo one?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    My guess is that this will be the new movie

    by Samuel Fulmer

    That the teachers will make their students watch every February. Sorry Glory, your time has passed.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Angela Badalamenti's score makes RED TAILS sizzle.

    by justmyluck

  • Would like to see the obscure tales told.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    in our presidential election one of the candidates

    by emeraldboy

    literally has blood on his hands. no one believes martin McGuinness when he says he left the Ira in 1974. the rest of the candidates are the ex boss of the special olympics ireland, an irish gay senator Called David Norris, who wrote letters of clemency for his partner who was found guilty of raping a palestianian boy, Micheal D higgins, who I think will win. Dana Rosemary Scallon, the evangelistic, derry born former Eurovision song contest winner, who left her native derry to raise her family in the united states, in alabama. Gay Mitchell, Fine Gael and thier answer Rocky Balboa. Street Fighting man and all that. Sean Gallagher, former Fianna Failer, entrepreneur, star of dragons den Ireland.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    @fah-cue

    by herr_howard

    I think the 'misstep' he was talking about on The Phantom Menace was the 'step-and-fetch-it' abomination named Jar-Jar Binks which was a pretty big insult to many blacks. Personally I ignored him, but I see the reviewer's point...

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    SW Blu-ray sales

    by justmyluck

    Yes, LFL/FOX made a load ($76.2m at $70 a pop = over a million units sold), but that's not even 2.5 times the unit sales for X-MEN: FIRST CLASS and THOR. http://www.the-numbers.com/weekly-bluray-sales-chart So, yeah, the SW Noooooo Blu sold over twice as much as a comparable mainstream sci-fantasy release. Big whoop.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    chaunceydevega

    by Michael Lunney

    Dope. It's never a good sign when a writer can't explain what he wrote. You lose. It's a cop out to say I should know what you mean and if I don't too bad. If you can't explain what you meant, then what you wrote was useless drivel. Oh, and I am being charitable, referring to you as a writer.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    thecock90

    by Michael Lunney

    Fuck you - his writing was simpleton shit.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I am disappointed, no one said NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

    by GBH

    there I said it...

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    SuperMarch, Chauncy Chavez did not say those things.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    I did. And I am white. And Southern. And I have no intention to get in a pissing match, because it already sounds like your mind is made up. I just want you to know that your anger is misplaced - the writer of the review did not say those things, I did.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    justmyluck-My "defense" of the Star Wars Blu Ray sales

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Even big catalog releases don't really sell as much as they did back in the DVD days, but that's the only defense I can give. I skipped it because the transfers coulda been better (especially Phantom Menace which had it's image softened to put it more in line with the shit digital cinematography of Clones and Sith), no original version included (which if they were I'd at least like a semi decent transfer that's anamorphic), shitty 90 minute documentaries about people who dress up in Stormtrooper drag, and a really lackluster interface for the extras in general. People can fling 80 bucks or more at that crap, I'll just stick with the dvds until something better comes out, and if it don't, well that's extra money in my pocket.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST

    ChaunceyDevega I mean.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    supermarch - you are an embarrasment, racist

    by Michael Lunney

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    But I would buy Willow on Bluray!!!!!

    by Samuel Fulmer

    But it'll probably end up being some sort of special Twilight Time limited to 3,000 units crap for 40 bucks and no extras like the upcoming Fright Night (1985) bluray they're going to be putting out in December.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssmredux

    by Michael Lunney

    Drink some more kool-aid, and go to sleep, a LONG sleep.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo, I like trolls

    by chauncey devega

    Trolls like me ;) Why the grumpiness? Why the anger? Why the upset? I think there is more going on than a bit of pedantry over a sentence here and there in a movie review. Do you need your pain? Let me release you. We can do a whole Star Trek V deal where you confess those secrets you have been keeping hidden even from yourself. I can take your difference of opinion, but to say I am not a "writer," however defined, is a dirty, low blow sir! You are a rapscallion! Do you not have any common decency or honor! Google me, or look up my interviews on Youtube and you will find much to upset you. What fun! I hope you become even more upset.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    @samuel fulmer, yep, I never bought it either.

    by justmyluck

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    If this movie is rated PG-13....it's going to suck

    by Michael Lunney

    Hey kids, I do not beleive this stupid statement. I am spoofng an idiot talkbacker named haterdperson, who only has 2 things to say in any talkback, and he repeats them over and over,: PG-13 movies suck, and strong female roles for women in film is destroying the fabric of our nation. The fucked up part of that is that he has his supporters.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Sorry, McGooToo, did not get the joke.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    You old Pokerface, you. (We actually thought Grandma had died, you kidding Basterd.)

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    One aspect of this film that I think isn't really being discussed

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Didn't Lucas basically reshot a lot of this without the original director being on set? I wonder was it just pick-up kind of shots, or entire scenes?

  • how come there is nothing on this film yet, no teasers, no posters, nothing? not even a website? i can understand the cast being gagged during the making of the film. but nobody is talking about this film? or even the lack of talking about this film?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    chaunceydevega

    by Michael Lunney

    I never said you weren't a writer. That is in your head. I will give you another chance, what did you mean by "in this age of Obama? The way you compose your thoughts is not always clear, and I can't discern your meaning in the context of the rest of the sentence. Do you even know what you meant, or is it just some word salad that sounds good to you, without having any real meaning to anyone but you? Clarity, my man, is an important component of any good writing. You should know that, as a writer. Good Writers need good editors. Editing seems to be a profession of yesteryear, in this internet-spew Age, the Age of Spew-speak. You should know what I mean by that. THe anger you perceive is also in your head. I am just being critical, perhaps harshy so. You need to hear some harsh criticism. It would make your writing more coherent.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:05 p.m. CST

    You know, my grandfather was in the Tuskeegee Experiments...

    by Horgy

    Wait, this isn't about purposely giving people VD?

  • People throw it out to sound timely and relevant, even when it makes no sense.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    But I do have to catch myself

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I mean sometimes I go on about this age of Turbografx 16 that we live in or this post Chris Farley world.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    samuel fulmer

    by Michael Lunney

    Do you have any idea what he meant with that whole sentence?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    you are back, back and forth on a bulletin board

    by chauncey devega

    Oh, and I am being charitable, referring to you as a writer.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    mcgoo, let's try again...

    by chauncey devega

    Oh, and I am being charitable, referring to you as a writer.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo-I have no clue

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    chaunceydevega

    by Michael Lunney

    Uh huh, I referred to you as a writer, trying to be nice. THat is different than saying you are not a writer. As a writer, you should understand the difference. It could have been a lot harsher, but I didn't think you were totally horrible. But some of your writing was very poor, my man.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    But I guess it doesn't matter

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Much of what is written on this site by it's regular contributors makes no sense. At least he didn't say it starred Brian Cox as the red tail with a score by Tangerine Dream.

  • It's not a "race" movie is it?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    is damning, I meant

    by matineer

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    chaunceydevega

    by Michael Lunney

    Think about it, my friend. I am not the only person here who had difficulty with what you wrote. Clarity. Important. Be bold. Say what you mean.Be clever. But make sense.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Keeps eating my comment, let's try again

    by chauncey devega

    Harry kindly posted this. I like AICN. Did I sit down and write an article about the political and ideological work being done by the movie. No. Am I interested in its semiotics and conveying the work that is being done by the text to the readers of AICN. No. This is not the place or time for such arguments. Now that we have that out of the way. For folks who have been following the Obama candidacy, his election, and what it means for "post-racial" America (which we clearly are not), the phrase "Age of Obama" is common speak. It is a shorthand to describe hope by some, disappointment by others, and to acknowledge the uniqueness--and dare I suggest novelty--of having a president who happens to be black. My use of that phrase was a signal to a simple instinct that we have a black president, now we have a half-way decent movie about the Tuskegee Airman. This is likely not a causal relationship there. But, there is a nice overlap that suggests something about the possibilities present in this moment. I saw the film with a predominantly African American audience, and there were quite a few older folks there too. They cheered at the corny over the top moments, smiled when appropriate, and clapped at the end. There was a sense of investment, relationship to, and ownership over the story on their part. Thus, and as I said above, either you get that or you don't. It can't be readily explained. If I had to do rewrite I would change somethings. You always end up cutting out sentences, working for more clarity, etc. For a piece done in 30 minutes, written right after seeing the flick, I stand by it. I am not hard to find google me, read some of my stuff that is out there, and you will likely find more to correct or that is not to your taste. Pray tell, are you a writer by trade? Published? In bookstores? I ask because you never know who lurks online. Perhaps you have some more advice, that if qualified to give, I will follow. If not, it is always easy to snipe and Monday morning quarterback. As the old saying goes books are never finished by authors, they are abandoned.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    chaunceydevega-So if I understand you correctly

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Red Tails is the cheesy, unrealistic, gung ho Tuskegge Airmen film that could've come out in the mid 40's but didn't because...well..we know why. So like I said in some posts above, a WWII equivalent of Mission to Mars (genre throwback filmed with today's technology).

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Or should I say

    by Samuel Fulmer

    A genre throwback, but from a perspective not shown when they were making corny WWII war films decades ago.

  • And I'm to assume you're being honest here? <P> This is all based on a guy who writes for something called we are respectable negroes? <P> This is such a typical left wing half wit BS laden thread. You point out their racism and get called a racist for it. It ain't 1988 and your racism card should be put away with your Varnet France t-shirt. <P> This is an unnecessary movie about some unimportant people who happened to be black so they get praise from racists. Of all the stories that should be told from WWII this one ranks near the bottom. The obvious racism of it does the exact opposite of what simpletons are thinking: this perpetuates racism. <P> And besides it looks like crap. And there's its been made already. Whatever...talking sense to bigots is like trying to explain calculus to...bigots. Best of luck with your lives.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    chaunceydevega

    by Michael Lunney

    For almost 10 years, I was a paid staffer. I wrote and edited for a newspaper as an entertainment editor and features editor. I also wrote a weekly column, film reviews and some editorials. I had an underground comic artist do a weekly record review in the form of a comic strip. And the young lady who wrote a weekly comic book column, the only one of it's kind in a mainstream newspaper at the time, later went on to become the Marketing Communications Director for DC Comics. First, you say: Harry kindly posted this. I like AICN. Did I sit down and write an article about the political and ideological work being done by the movie. No. Am I interested in its semiotics and conveying the work that is being done by the text to the readers of AICN. No. This is not the place or time for such arguments. Oh, really? That is most certainly a cop-out! You had to dumb it down for your audience here, even though you could have written a more intelligent piece? Condescending, eh? If this is the case, then this was your first mistake. Never underestimate the intelligence of your audience. Again, this is poorly written by you: In the Age of Obama, I will forgive a bit of flat history and two dimensional character and plot development. It took decades, but we finally have a technically competent, compelling, World War 2 action movie where black folks are treated with respect, dignity, and not as sideshows to our own history... I understand what Age of Obama means, but what does the Age of Obama have to do with you forgiving a film's shortcomings, as perceived by you? The 2 thoughts don't mesh, at least, not as written. I will see this film. I have already seen a filmed depiction of The Airmen, called THE TUSKEEGEE AIRMEN, originally aired on HBO. It was quite entertaining and enlightening. As far as you saying: …we finally have a technically competent, compelling, World War 2 action movie where black folks are treated with respect, dignity, and not as sideshows to our own history... Guess you never saw, or heard of Spike Lee's Miracle at St Anna? It was not one of Spike's best, but it does exist. Sloppily writing something in 30 minutes may not be your best mode of communicating. Work on it, and you may get there. Peace, my friend.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    what a gasbag

    by Roger Moon

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    supermarch

    by Michael Lunney

    Long walk. Short pier. Do it, you scum sucking, motherfucking racist punk. Your words are devoid of logic. Go teabag your mates.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Have talkbacks become insufferably hateful lately...

    by lochkray

    ...or is it just me. Have they always been so mean spirited? I rate it about 3:1 hateful crap vs. valid opinion. And I don't just mean opinions that are in line with mine - hell, I love contrary points of view if they're well expressed. I mean well thought out ideas properly put forward, not just the constant barrage of acidic carping. Interesting statement on the value of free speech.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Safest bet ever: Roger Ebert will love it.

    by AzulTool

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Hey you, stupid motherfucker, Supermarch

    by Michael Lunney

    Pathetic racist white boy who wants his WWII Russian Front movie to be made, but can't deal with a movie about black soldiers who helped win WWII? What a puke prize you are, shithead. Here are a couple of Russian front movies that have ALREADY BEEN MADE, you dumb shit! They aren't obscure, but it is no surprise that someone with such low intelligence would mouth off and bitch about someting he knows nothing about: Enemy at the Gates Stalingrad Defiance

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Bitch Lucas gets fucked in the ass, like all the time.

    by AzulTool

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    mr magoopoopoo

    by chauncey devega

    I have tried to be civil and kind. I try to respond to folks whenever I can because if folks take the time to read something I write, I like to do the courtesy of responding. First you say you are not attacking me and are not rude, and then you act in such a way. This is about much more than a review of a film; your upset is rooted somewhere else. Please own it. Obama? Race? I am already "there" as you put it and only moving forward. Sorry, if that doesn't satisfy you. AICN is not the right place for a long piece on the ideological work of the Tuskegee Airmen. You know that as well as I do. A review is an editorial, it is normative. I stand by my claims. They do not have to mirror yours. Write up your own review and circulate when the time comes. But again, and I repeat, your upset is about something else all together. Please be honest and share what it is. The Spike Lee film was problematic on a number of levels; the HBO movie on the Tuskegee Airmen was well intended, this movie is much better.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    samuel fulmer

    by chauncey devega

    A genre throwback, but from a perspective not shown when they were making corny WWII war films decades ago.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    @ fah-cue yeah TPM was a mis-step

    by teamneedle

    but the other prequels are just flat out fails- This reviewer sounds like a flat out fanboy, will take his words with caution.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    This story isn't worth telling?

    by Nerd Rage

    So black pilots prove racists America wrong and Hitler wrong by preforming bravely and skillfully as pilots giving fatal blows to fascist and racist institutions everywhere that's not a story worth telling. These pilots defied the odds and earned the respect globally for their legendary success returning from suicide missions helping to defeat the greatest evils domestic and abroad. What's the last great thing you did, supermarch?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    @supermarch

    by rahtard

    Good question about the movie about the Russians. I guess that will be the movie where it shows how Stalin ordered his army to rape every female in Berlin when it fell. But if you think Hollywood hasn't made a film glorifying a country's (who by the way was participating in a genocide much worse than the Nazis) contribution to WWII shows you know nothing about film. Check out Enemy at the Gates sometime. So, let's see the score. Hollywood films on the Tuskegee Airmen (who are American) INCLUDING Red Tails:2 ( and the other was actually an HBO original film, and not a studio film) Hollywood films on Russians in WWII, who immediately after became our enemies: 1

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Hey, Supermarch

    by Hipshot

    Try "Enemy At The Gate" if you want Russians.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Age of Obama

    by Nerd Rage

    All this means is an age where we can elect a black president. During WW2 blacks were barely allowed to serve in the military so America has come a long way. Stop crying bloody murder, no one is over-glorifying Obama's presidency who did okay considering he inherited a bad economy and two wars unlike Bush Junior who inherited peace and a good economy then fucked it up.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    So predictable

    by Hipshot

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    anyone

    by macheesmo3

    who would say our present president has done "okay" is either overcome by their own personal agenda, or ignorant of the historically muddled economy that has grown more muddled. Presidents are like QB's , they get to much credit and too much blame. However, that's the job. Now the fact that we've lived during some of the worst and least effective congresses in HISTORY hasn't helped EITHER W or Obama. But to say W was terrible and Obama isn't is just dogma.... Neither has done much to quell the storm. (not that presidents really can cause or save economies. Heck what stopped the Great Depression? WW2, not FDR's socialist programs.)

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    anyway... back to this rather bad looking movie

    by macheesmo3

    The trailer looked just awful. It looked like WALT DISNEY'S RED TAILS!! mandingo fun for the whole family! Watch them train, watch them get repressed by the man! Watch them finally get a mission and prove they are better than any white man! Seriously, it's like Disney made an exploitation film

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:07 p.m. CST

    That "Red Tails" would come out...

    by Hipshot

    And the same kind of people who kept the military segregated in the first place would complain that someone finally turned the spotlight onto that injustice. Of COURSE some white guys would love it if a small-screen HBO film was all there was...while reveling in countless large-screen heroes with white skin. And then if black people honestly express pride, this is "racism." What a load of crap. To be proud of "your own" is one thing. But if black people were in control, and they marginalized white people the way blacks have been in cinema, it would piss me off, and if they acted self-righteous about it (bringing up Russia's mighty contribution to WW2...which is irrelevant to the issue of how our own citizens are treated or portrayed) I would be disgusted. Disgusted because all of our heroes need to be held up as examples. "Red Tails" tells the story of an exceptional group of men, and thank goodness my son will get to see it on the big screen, where it belongs.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    And an odd thing about Jar Jar...

    by Hipshot

    I've heard more white people consider Jar Jar "black" than black people. Which suggests to me that in their tiny little minds, Jar Jar resembles their own secret opinions, rather than any reality or even public stereotype. Jar Jar Binks was a lame and failed attempt to create another Wookie, and that's about it.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Am I the only person who sees a bit of sap flowing from this review?

    by AsimovLives

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Chauncey has a very dignified FONT

    by Bobo_Vision

    I'm not sure what he's saying in that article....but DAMN, do I ever like his font.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    hipshot

    by macheesmo3

    I don't think it's the story being told that's got everyone wrankled. it's the fact that it looks like a fairly terrible movie. I honestly could care less WHO a movie is about. But if you treat the material in a ham fisted (see Lucasian) manner, and spend the whole movie doing nothing but trying to portray all the white's as bad guys and all the blacks as hero's and don't portray the likely middle ground....well then it starts to become a mockery of the entire situation. Black people marginalized in cinema? Umm, I bet that if you looked at the population breakdowns that you would see that black folks are probably OVER represented in cinema. Plenty of characters are black in movies just to nab a demographic. I find this more dishonest and pandering than some sort of "triumph"... If a character is black, then make him black. If a movie is all black because that's what the characters are, then make them all black. But it appears that if all the characters were originally white that one or more would be changed to fit the "demographic" Yeah, that's really rising above............

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Oh and we aren't losing the war in Afghanistan

    by macheesmo3

    We have killed hundreds of thousands of them. If the weenies in Congress had any balls we'd be dropping nukes on Pakistan right now and ending this mess.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Hopefully the "Age of Obama" will only be four years long

    by MooseMalloy

    I'm sick of actors in the Whitehouse, and in politics in general.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Also, apparently eveyone has forgotten about MIRACLE AT ST. ANNA

    by MooseMalloy

    -- which is not great but not terrible either.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    It's easy to figure out who to ignore...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Anyone who makes this statement: "Obama is the worst President in 30 years". Were you in a coma through 2001-2008? That was a real bad time for this country that were still feeling today... Truth is about these things is that the previous administrations policies still have weight years after they have left. So sure maybe Obama is the worst President ever... Won't know that till a couple years from now. So no the trophy winner is George W. Bush. Disagree? You're a moron who either then just is blind by your political beliefs or party... Or you're a racist. Whichever. This movie looks like shit. The trailer made me shake my head. Going the overly corny route I think was a mistake. Also someone wanted a movie about the Russians in the war... Enemy at the Gates. Sure it was about snipers but the battle at the beginning gave you a good taste of what the Russian side of the war was like. I'm also officially bored with Germans as villains. I get it in WW2 movies. But frankly look at them now, they are so strong they are holding Europe together... America on the other hand... Destroyed by banks and huge companies. The people running for President are all goofs or lunatics.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Spandau Belly, that was funny shizzle.

    by Nerfee

    I wonder if he even met michael bay!

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    chaunceydevega

    by Michael Lunney

    I voted for Obama. You can't write very well. You are paranoid. You think I am angy and I am a racist. You think I am a racist, why? I lost my job recently, again. I blame no one. you do not know me. And based on your writing here, you are not worth the effort. Good luck. Grow up. Get over whatever it is that is bothering you. I attacked your writing. You took it way to opesonally. If this is the way you react, thin-skinned, to everything you write, then you will always be a lousy writer.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    SuperMarch - I present to you, a misnomer.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    My name comes from one of my favourite films, a little picture called "Being There," directed by one of those directors whose careers I love(d) to follow, Hal Ashby. He did not have a long career, due to an early death, but he is one of the great makers of intelligent film comedy - specifically, comedies about being American. They were not always pretty pictures. "the Last Detail" features one of Jack Nicholson's great performance: a short angry Marine corpsman given his most "chickenshit detail" in the form of taken a pretty pitiable young man to military lockup. He pissed the wrong people off - being a cleptomaniac, he saw money and took it. It happened to be money for the favourite charity of the base commander's wife. What follows is one of the great road movies, on a train. Nicholson and another accompany the young man to Norfolk, and in order to give him a final sendoff (and to abate the pain and frustration about their own lives), they take the maximum amount of leave time and try to fulfill his every little whim (includeing some of their own, often against his own desire.) It is a rachous farce, but also a little bit of a tragedy. It is about the entrapments of life. And not being able to own up to them. Finding diversion where you can. Not a happy picture, but a great one (with some beautiful moments). One of my other favourites by Ashby is "the Landlord." It is about a rich young white man who finds a real estate agent eager to gentrify an inner city black neighborhood, a strip of tenaments. Feeling guilty, he leaves the building open and does not evict its tenants - and instead becomes the super and landlord. He gets too close, and finds their problems become his. If you feel that there is not a whole lot of difference between people, it is a great picture. And finally, the movie that is my namesake. "Being There." There's a man. He was found on the doorstep of a mansion, and adopted into the service of it. He's lived there his entire life. His name is Chance. He doesn't have a whole lot in his head except what he likes (TV) and the general kindness he exudes to everyone around him. He found a place tending to plants: hard work, but simple and procreative. He likes what he does. He is it. Then the owner of the house dies. The real estate agents find Chance still wandering around, seemingly oblivious to what has occurred, unable to make the change on his own. They, not wanting the responsibility, let him pack his things - consisting of hand-me-down clothes belonging to the man in whose house he lived for so many years - and make sure he goes. He's never left the house. It is a very different world than even we would imagine it. It is a slum where they have been barricaded all these years. He walks out, dignantly, uncertain but kind to all he meets. He is looking for a place to live. He gets turned down by most everyone he meets. Then he is mistaken for something he is not: a wealthy man. His clothes, his manner and way of speaking. He is gentle, and mistaken for a gentleman. When asked who he is, he says he is "Chance the Gardener." They interpret that as "Chauncey Gardiner." He is projected upon by those around him - in him they see what they want to see, what they have been predisposed to see by years of thinking the same way. They hear what they want to hear. And yet, we is a companion to those in need of companionship. He does not leave. He does not hate or envy. He merely is where you need him to be. And he is also something very profound. It is an enigmatic picture, and one that is funny to me every time and funny in a way that enlivens my life outside of it. It doesn't see the world simply - but as a place where things have been lost: like love and trust, and where they wait desparately in people to be acknowledged and rewarded. This is where my name comes from: I hope that people see me for what I am. My words are me. You just have to listen to see where I stand. I chose something gentle, because in dealings with others it is what I believe is best. (Other films by Ashby: "Harold and Maude" and "Shampoo.")

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Macheezmo...

    by Hipshot

    I have no sense that blacks are overrepresented in movies. They star in about 13% of films, and are about the same percentage of the population. I meant to say (and apologize for not making it clearer) that they have been underserved in certain kinds of roles--for instance, war films. And sexual roles. As for "and spend the whole movie doing nothing but trying to portray all the white's as bad guys and all the blacks as hero's and don't portray the likely middle ground" that is 1) prognostication, since you haven't seen it. 2) exaggeration, since there is no way the film "does nothing" but portray whites as bad guys. Satisfied with the racial status quo? Believe blacks to be "not as good"? Sure. But that was SOP in America until the 50's. Doesn't mean all whites were "bad guys"--just that tribalism is close to universal, and it takes a LOT of awareness to climb out of that pit. Being glad for where we are (still hardly "post-racial" of course. Human beings may not be capable of that) but forgetting the pervasive, almost universal effect of bigotry is a serious, serious error, and leads to a grotesque misunderstanding of the negative issues blacks deal with to this day. "Red Tails" was always, always going to be criticized on racial grounds. Lucas is seriously courageous to attempt it. If he doesn't get your money, so be it.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    germany now runs the irish economy...

    by emeraldboy

    through the european central bank. Today berlusconi survived a no confidence vote a single point, in any other country he would have to go. but he is the most corrupt leader in europe and owns half of everything in italy. The founding party of the irish state is now so ineptly run that they couldnt even field a candidate for the up coming presidential election. then there is conservative minister for defence, dr fox who had to resign over his dealings with his friend adam wearirity. Dr fox is a married man but wearirty his personal advisor, personally followed dr fox everywhere. and stayed with him and his wife while on holiday and there is connections to a non for profit right wing organisation which has connections to the tory party and was run untill his resignation by a man called finchey who operated a hedge fund company. dr fox apologised, and then apologized some more. cameron gave his full support and then at 4pm fox resigned said he was very sorry in resignation statement.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    you are

    by chauncey devega

    quite angry by the tone demonstrated here. please own your behavior. You are not the arbiter of what constitutes good writing or not. You are one voice among many and are quite invested in being a pedant and a heckler. Consequently, your observations don't carry much weight. yes, there is much more going on from your end to be so invested, critical, and hostile. this is why I asked you what else is going on to drive your animosity. No one called you a racist, I asked if my basic allusion to race as an element in the film disturbed you. that would not be uncommon given how white privilege and the white racial frame colors so many folks' perceptions of events, facts, and reality. Why the allusion to "blaming" someone for losing your job? What is that a signal to? Given the levels of structural inequality in this country and how gangster capitalism broke this economy, perhaps you and others should be angry. If more of us don't get angry at the status quo the Common Good will continue to be betrayed. But I digress... "Grow up" is another childish jab. Is that all that you have? I have been mature and reasonable with you. To the present, you seem incapable of returning the courtesy. I respond to reasonable critiques from folks with mastery of the craft and who are in a position to reasonably engage. You chose not to. That is okay. You will continue to see me here and elsewhere, I hope you become a fan, if not, get your hustle on and do your thing. Invective won't get you where you need to, or want to, be.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST

    you all could have had

    by emeraldboy

    old man mcCain and the crazy lady from alaska in the white house.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Hipshot - awesome, awesome analysis.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    Woot.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Macheezmo...

    by Hipshot

    If you look at the top 50 movies out right now, ONE ("The Help") has a black star (the star is the person whose name comes first in the titles). Your belief that blacks are "over-represented" in cinema simply makes no statistical sense.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    chaunceydevega

    by Michael Lunney

    Maybe I spoke unfairly. With your puffed up ego, and lack of self-awareness, you may eventually graduate from a lousy writer to a mediocre one. To be a good writer, you do need to care that someone. You do demonstate some intelligence with you last post, finally. And really, good luck with your uncompensated writing. Over and out. Really, you aren't worth my time.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    ChaunceyDeVega

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    I took his tone as pretty understanding actually. You are argueing with the wrong person - merely the fact that he offered criticism for your writing should not be grounds for attacking him personally. He is right in my opinion: your tone is quite awkward and confuseing. You preface and end your piece with praise but the middle portions make this film about to be a pretty generic piece of product. (I do understand if you wrote it while up late - that's cool. It is good to hear a review and thank you. I just wish this discussion spawned wasn't so full of ... at moments, rage. It is disheartening - and no, not from you, sir.) I just did not feel like McGooToo tone was overly negative. (I, for you, am in the same camp that it does feel as an affront when someone does not necessarily agree with what I wrote - but I don't feel that McGooToo's words are that harsh. You don't have a lot to fear from what he said. Actually, I think he likes some of the ideas, just wished they were expressed a little bit more judiciously. And not so dogmatically.)

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    That said,

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    I really like the wording of your last posting. A lot.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Save some blame for President Woodrow Wilson.

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

    The United States Army was integrated until WW1 when Wilson segregated the Blacks from the Whites and kept the Blacks in supporting infantry roles only. It was theorized he didn't want a lot of black men coming home from the war to the deep south with advanced weapons training. Just a little factoid. Nothing else. The rest of you play nice and no name calling.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo, let's keep playing

    by chauncey devega

    You fall back into form. I am nice to you and then you come up with another cheap shot. How do you know that I am not paid for my work? In fact, I am. Are you incapable of being civil and speaking in a fair and reasonable tone with others? Again, what are you upset about? Given your great skills perhaps you could pick up some work as a writing consultant or freelance editor? Those jobs do require a decent temperment and reasonable inter-personal skills. Given how you have responded here--and how you ruined what could have been a nice chat about the movie or other matters--I am worried that you may not be a good fit for such positions. Again, let's work on your anger and pain again. We can have a Star Trek 5 moment if you let it happen.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    The Last Detail? Jack was in the navy, not the Marines

    by Roger Moon

    "I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol!"

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    chaunceygardiner

    by chauncey devega

    Thank you for the comments. I am mixed on the movie and I tried to convey that in a qualified way. There is much to praise about the movie, and it gets an "A" for effort, but there are also some problems too. I have continued to chat with mcgootoo because he is entertaining, and I always like listening to Monday morning quarterbacks on this...and other topics too. I also enjoy chatting with folks who have taken the time to engage--you learn from people, and those moments can happen out of the blue. Internet tough guys are always fair game as they are good sport. I can deal with criticism on my writing, I get it all the time as it part of the job. But his tone was just hostile and angry. I can't tell folks how to live their lives, but I am always taken aback when a person offers something with generosity and openness and others use that as an opportunity to attack and be mean-spirited. How the thread devolved into one with race baiting and obvious racial animus towards what should be a pretty cut and dry story (that the Tuskegee airmen are amazingly heroic, even more so given how white supremacy was the norm in that period) is not surprising. In fact, it was, quite sadly, expected. The detour is also quite instructive for what it reveals about race and politics in a time when some were only months ago drunk on the hopes of a post-racial America.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    hipshot

    by macheesmo3

    not trying to turn this into a big racial ado, but your information about only one black star in the top 50 box office could be used to say several additional things other than your statement of under representation. 1) the majority of film goers presently don't want to go see a movie with a black star 2) The audience for black stars aren't seeing movies now 3) The movies starring black folks recently havn't been very good.... I don't know which of these answers is true. Nor do I feel that Hollywood has any responsibilty to make "black" films if they discover they aren't profitable (which Tyler Perry seems to have shown isn't true, he makes a ton of $$$) However, I DO think that as the great Morgan Freeman once said " if you wanna stop racism, stop talking about it ..." In other words, cast people because they are right for the role. Not because you need a "token....." . I have not seen it yet true. But I have seen the trailer and it looked like more terrible dialogue, ham fisted badness from Lucas. I think the story of the Tuskegee Airmen is a prime area for a very good movie. I just don't think that this is it. Maybe I'm wrong. But boy did that trailer look ....unpromising..............

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST

    as far as worst president goes

    by macheesmo3

    Millard Fillmore anybody? signed the fugitive slave act, riddled with scandals.... Grant wasn't a heck of a lot better. remember these guys were bad when we didn't have 24 hour news with pundits telling everyone how horrible the opposition is.... IMO, in this day and age of the internet, 24 hr news coverage and partisanship, Lincoln, Jefferson, Jackson and Teddy Rppsevelt would be cricified as the latest "Worst President Ever!!!"

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST

    and yes....

    by macheesmo3

    I did just totally noob the double oo in Roosevelt..... the shame.........

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Thanks Bacon_Aesthetic.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    First time I was wrong today. (Mainly because today was a vacation day at work.)

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 8 p.m. CST

    And, ChaunceyDeVega, dude...

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    You are a geek. "Let's have a Star Trek 5 moment." You and Will Ferrell, helping me to laugh today. Thanks, man.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST

    That font is making me horny

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Cuba Gooding in something that isn't straight to video?

    by Queefer Sutherland

    That's a shocker. Musta been a shortage of brothers to cast for them to hire this little ho bag.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Story is interesting but the trailer looked awful.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    A lot of cartoon planes zipping around like X-Wings in a cartoon world.

  • yes, millions of Americans fought and died anonymously for this country in WWII but what makes their experience very unique is how they were treated by members of the nation they were fighting for. Movies like this (whether bad or good) tell the story of how men fought and died against evil despite the fact that they were hated and disrespected by those they were fighting for. Nazi prisoners of war were treated better than black soldiers. When Lean Horne did her patriotic duty of entertaining the troops she had to walk past Nazi prisoners of war to sing to the black soldiers sitting in the back row. So anyone who says this is not a story worth telling really needs to rethink what they are saying. And I'm not just talking about blacks in WWII but Native Americans and even Japanese soldiers. And yes I know movies have been made on these subjects as well but judging by some of the comments in this talk back some people just don't get it.

  • You guys should check out the real life story of the all japanese american unit called the 442nd Infantry Regiment. They were the most decorated regiment in th whole american army during WWII. They were the recipients of 21 Medals of Honor, 52 Distinguished Service Crosses, 1 Distinguished Service Medal, 560 Silver Stars (plus 28 Oak Leaf Clusters for a second award), 22 Legion of Merit Medals, 15 Soldier’s Medals, 4,000 Bronze Stars (plus 1,200 Oak Leaf Clusters for a second award) and 9,486 Purple Hearts. This in effect means that about 3/4 of everybody who combated in that regiment was awarded. It truly was a regiment made of badasses. And most of them had come directly from the interment camps which the nisei had been put when the war broke (Hawaii being the exception since the japanese there were so many and hold so many necessary posts and businesses the whole province would shut down). Basically, a 442nd Infantry Regiment movie would be like WINDTALKERS, but with brains and good, so to do those nisei the proper justice they deserve.

  • The fucking movie actually mannages to insult the memory and the efforts of the native americans who fought for the sake of the very people who conquered them and treated them as dirt. The fact the movie was so gutless it had to have a mighty whitey as the protagonist in the indians's own story is the icing of the cake. Compare and contrast to the small french-canadian movie called MAP OF THE HUMAN HEART where the protagonist of the movie is an innuit who also fights in WWII as a bombardier in the RAF's bomber squadron, and he's always center-stage in the whole duration of the movie.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 6:39 a.m. CST

    macheesmo3

    by AsimovLives

    I'm not so sure if Teddy Roosevelt was a really great president. But the man sure could cut down a tree and survive malaria before penisiline. And a mere bullet to the chest couldn't prevent him from delivering a 40 minutes speech. Fucker was a though guy.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Was Jefferson actually a good president?

    by AsimovLives

    He just seated his ass on the president chair and mostly did nothing. His only major act was the Louisiana Purchase. He wrote a fat check to Napoleon, and thus ensuring that the napoleonic war in europe keep on going for another decade. As an european and a portuguese, which means my country was invaded by Napoleon's troops after and with the help of the Jefferson's paycheck, thanks a lot, Jefferson. Fucking cunt.

  • ... it was the efforts of the russians during WWII that effectively caused the defeat of the Nazi Germany in WWII. The war was decided there. The whole north african and western front were in fact flanking maneuvers to help out the war's true front, the eastern front. for anybody who has read the sacrifices and the efforts the russian people went through in their fight agaisnt Hitler's military machine, you will understand why that is so. WWII was won in russia, not the western front. The pacific campagin agaisnt Imperial Japan, however, that was a real american and Uk show. Nobody can deny that. THe americans and the UK (meaning, by that, also all of their commonwelth allies like Australia and New Zeland and the colonials from Indian and Africa) fought on that on their own. And did so admirably.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 6:51 a.m. CST

    For me, one of the poor woobies of WWII were the koreans.

    by AsimovLives

    They were forced to fight on Japan's side, having to be used as cannon fooder for the very people who invaded them and did their best to destroy their cultural identity for the whole first half of the 20th century. And they got as killed as the japanese were by the allies, which little care for distinction. The poor koreans sure got a worst end of the stick during WWII.

  • My goof is that i forgot the efforts that the chinese did during WWII. and i'm not alone in forgetting about them, since even the school history books do so too. In fact, the chinese were instrumental in the allied victory in the pacific. But those were not the chinese ofthe official China country, lead by Chen-Kai Chek. No, the chinese who fought the japanese in WWII were Mao's communists. Kai Chek received a lot of military help form the USA, namely equipment. And all he did was he seated on his ass and diud nothing. Meanwhile, the OSS organization was helping out Mao's communists, which were getting less help then Kai Chek. and still the communists were the ones who were doing all the fighting in China. THe Mao's communists were so effective, they forced the Japanese to spend most of their army personel quagmired in China. How much? Some say 90% of the Japanese Imperial Army was stuck in China fighting the Mao's communists, and also much of their bomber air force. This means that the UK and USA fought the remaning 10% of the Japanese Imperial Army in Indochina and the Pacific Islands. This is not to say that the fight in indochina and the pacific wasn't har,d because it sure was and it's very well documented. But without Mao's communists fighting, the USA and UK would had had it so much, much worst.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Lucas

    by B

    I saw George Lucas walk out of the theater. Terrance Howard was there also.

  • It's the story of arabs from north africa who fought in the french army during WWII, who served with valour and courage, and in the end their participation in WWII was all but erased from the history books thanks to DeGaulle's revanchism. THe 1950s French government evne stope dpaying pensions to those arab french soldiers, so to clean every trace of their intervention during WWII. The movie actually made the people in France be aware of the efforts of the arabs for the allied effort during WWIII and forced the French goverment to issue a public appology and reinstate the pensions to those arab veterans, with retroactives due. Yes, sometimes a movie can chnage things. But that's because the movie actually dared to tell how things were for those neglect arab french soldiers, and how unjustly treated they were afterwards, and didn't shove an artificial happy ending so to appease and make the viewing confortable and guilt free for the audiences. If you guys love good war movies, love a good story, and love to see stories about the unsung heroes of WWII, i urge you to watch DAYS OF GLORY. It's damn good. It's not for nothing they call it the French SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. It stars Sami Bouajila, Jamel Debbouze, Samy Naceri, Roschdy Zem and Mélanie Laurent. Some of those names you have heard before.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Lucas walked out? He didn't liked the movie?

    by AsimovLives

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST

    chaunceydevega

    by Michael Lunney

    You have a fine blog. Better than your work represented here, so far. Unless you had some sort of deadline, writing a piece in 30 minutes seems rushed. You may already do this, but reading a piece you wrote, out loud, to yourself, may prove to be a useful tool for polishing. Perhaps my outrage was misplaced and overly aggressive, but it did get your attention, and that was my intention. Sorry for the bumpy road. You seem to be a decent, intelligent man who needs encouragement for your work. Who doesn't? Keep it up, and over time you will just get better and better. I see you made an edit to this film review that you also posted on your blog. I would have edited further, and it would have been a stronger, more well informed piece than what it is now. I wrote film reviews, that were more like essays, for many years. At least you didn't completely ignore my criticisms. You're welcome. The whole country, save for 1%, is angry, upset, edgy, whatever word you think is most appropriate, at something or other right now. Aging not so gracefully, I also have several medical issues that are weighing on me. As a lifelong geek, I come here to be informed and entertained, but I also often come here to blow off steam - sorry if it burned in your direction. I have a friend who just inherited $27 million. He graciously helps me out with food, so life could be much worse. I am having a major struggle with internal demons right now, and in a lot of physical pain that just keeps shifiting around. You asked, so I offer. But, I do believe my criticisms were well founded, sorry again they were couched in such an agressive tone. I have a friend who just inherited $27 million. He graciously helps me out with food. But it is a struggle right now, and I often feel like my own worst enemy. In any case, keep on keeping on, as the kids used to say long long ago. Perhaps, we can learn from each other. Because each new day offers infinite possibilities. Peace. Be well. Never be afraid to fight the power.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by chauncey devega

    I do appreciate your sharing. I hope things get better for you...and thank the fates that you have a friend with such fortune. Moreover, thank goodness that you have a friend who is also generous and supportive. Writing, and writing well, under a deadline is difficult, especially for those who must do so for a living. I give kudos to you for having done that for so long. I do read my work aloud, and of course in this case--as you see elsewhere--things get tightened up after the fact. But the spirit of your words is appreciated. get well and stay well. hopefully, we will chat again here or elsewhere.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Macheesmo...

    by Hipshot

    Yes, any number of conclusions could be drawn. But note that you ignored the fact that I shot a hole in your assertion that blacks are somehow "overrepresented." Without acknowledging that you were wrong, or at least addressing it, I am tempted to discount your opinion. However, let me give you the benefit of the doubt and address your points. 1) the majority of film goers presently don't want to go see a movie with a black star ## Of course. Due to the exact same factors that prevented them from fighting in WW2 or kept them in segregated communities. I can grasp this and consider it a human frailty to treat people that way, but I'm hardly going to respect it. 2) The audience for black stars aren't seeing movies now I see no reason to believe that audience fluctuates more than the audience for "white stars"--but this still has nothing to do with your assertion that blacks are "overrepresented". 3) The movies starring black folks recently havn't been very good.... And if you can propose a reason why this should be true of blacks but not whites, I'd love to hear it. What CAN be said is that in the VERY subjective arena of art, whites tend to dislike movies with black stars more than blacks do. Split the difference: blacks are probably too forgiving, while whites are too harsh. Again, tribalism. ## I love what Morgan Freeman said about not talking about it, but I'm sure he meant not JUST talking about it--since he himself has discussed things such as never having had a single love scene in his entire career. I agree whole-heartedly, and have done a massive amount in the arenas in which I play professionally. I do enjoy talking about these things, but talk alone would be rather cheap.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by AsimovLives

    I hope you get well, friend.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Now this is a poster:

    by shane peterson

    http://filmcentrum.nl/nieuws/1631/comicposter-red-tails/

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    By Joe Kubert

    by shane peterson

    85 years old. Wow.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    asimovlives - hey!

    by Michael Lunney

    thank YOU my friend, I was recently banned for the first time, not sure why, and this is my new talkbacker name. It has been rough, but I will survive, and things can only get better - going out tonight with a lady friend who is treating me to dinner, so that should be fun. Hope all is well with you! I had been reading your posts, called out to you last week a couple times, but did not hear back from you. I was hoping you were not pissed off at me for some reason. Read some of your posts over in the Superman's beard talkback. I just got 4 movies from my local library - Sucker Punch, The Lincoln Lawyer, Mars Needs Moms and X-Men: First Class. Not that I wanted that many at once - I reserve them and them come in when they come in. I don't expect much from them, except from X-Men. Grew up reading them, and I have a solid run of issues 1-100, plus years more after that. So I at least hope it is closer to the look and feel of the earlier comics rather than what the films have been so far. When it comes to comic book adaptations, it is very hard to please me - I think all the recent animated DVD adaptations just work so much better than live action. But someone will get it right eventually, hopefully. So, I see you think Sucker Punch sucks! I hope it is at least watchable, having very low expectations from the reviews I read. Mars Needs Moms? What can I say - very low expectations, blah blah blah, hope it's blah blah blah, but is SF and animated, so WTF? Talk to you soon!?

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by AsimovLives

    Trust me, if i had noticed your posts i would had replied. Sorry about that, friend. X-Men: First Class is quite a good fun movie. It's immensibly enjoyable. And the magneto theme is total badass. You will fucking love every scene he's in, specially when he goes badass on some nazis cunts. And Jennifer Lawrence is the sex! God, that woman is gorgeaus!! Sucker Punch redefijes the concept of retardness in film. The fucking movie doesn't make a fucking lick of sense whatsoever. It's not evne that cool Terry Gilliam/David Lynch type of illogical, it's just bulslhit made by a moron who can't think things through evne if he had his ass on fire and thinking would be the only thing that would extingish it. The only good thing i took from Sucker Punch was that the movie reminded me how utterly sexy hot Abby Cornish is. The Lincoln Lawyer? Never heard of it. Any good? Mars Needs Moms, that's the latest movie by Zemweckis, isn't it? You know what i think of Zemeckis? Fuck him up his fucking ass! Yeah, tha'ts right, fuck that fucking fuck ass fucker! I don't give a fuck that fucker made BACK TO THE FUTURE once upon a fime, fuck it. Fuck hima d his fucking zombie cartton up his fucking ass. The assclown entered Michael Bay territory with his retard piece of shit called BEOWULF, and he can go fuck himself up his fucking ass for all i care. Sorry for the harsh language, but nothing else can describe the despise i have for that Zemeckis cunt. Fuck him! So, have you convinced your rich pal to visit portugal yet? You shuld come in the summer, though, when the clima is great, the food is great, the wine is ripped, the beer is cool and the women are hot and lightly dressed.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    chaunceydevega

    by Michael Lunney

    Thanks - I hope you get more opportunites to post reviews here and elsewhere.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    asimovlives - luv your movie blurbs!

    by Michael Lunney

    I was hoping X-Men would be as cool as you describe. Sucker Punch - I expect it to give me the same sucker punch it gave you - hot chicks are always a plus! Mars Needs Moms may end up being even worse than Sucker, but Zemeckis had nothing to do with this film. But I can understand your confusion, as Zemeckis was wanting to direct a remake of Yellow Submarine - here's the poop on Moms from IMDB: The film had an opening weekend gross of only $6.9 million, making it the twelfth worst opening ever for a film playing in more than 3000 theaters, and one of the lowest openings for a major 3D release. Due to its high budget of $150 million, the film is considered a massive box office bomb. Its commercial failure contributed to Disney's cancellation of the planned remake of Yellow Submarine,which was intended to be made with the same motion capture technology used in "Mars Needs Moms". Ouch. "Lincoln Lawyer" is a courtroom drama about a lawyer who works out of his Lincoln car that got some good reviews. Here is the first paragraph from Ebert's review that makes it sound intriguing: I like movies about smart guys who are wise asses, and think their way out of tangles with criminals. I like courtroom scenes. I like big old cars. I like “The Lincoln Lawyer” because it involves all three, and because it matches Matthew McConaughey with a first-rate supporting cast, while so many thrillers these days are about a lone hero surrounded by special effects. People have words they actually say in this movie. After “Battle: Los Angeles,” that is a great relief. As far as a visit to Portugal, sounds great and thanks for the invite again. Forgive my ignorance, but is summer there the same time as here? As my friend is still grieving for his father, I have tried to not be too pushy with him about anything, but I will in due time broach the subject, my friend. Time takes a cigarette, put's it in you mouth...

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by AsimovLives

    Considering that Portual is situated in europe, which is in the northern hemisphere, yeah, the summer here happens the same time as in USA. You were probably confusing my country with Brasil, i guess. Same language (of sorts), different hemisphere. So the latest Zemeckis movie flopped? GOOD!! Sometimes there's justice after all. And his proposed Yellow Submarine, he can shove ity up his ass. I hope the ghosts of John Lennon and George Harrison haunts that fucker to madness and despair. I hope the evil hords of Paul MacCartney spread devastation and famine on his house. And i hope that Ringo Starr brings his club prop from CAVEMAN and beats the shit out of Zemeckis... daily. That Lincoln lawyer movie sounds pretty wacky. For a moment i though it could be a period piece, something to do with the early days when Lincoln was a lawyer and part-time zombie hunter. Now, if that character had bought a Cadillac Brougham, he could had set an entire office inside that car, because those suckers were huge, specially the 80s versions. The dude didn't though ahead.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    I forgot to include Peter Best. Poor, poor Peter Best.

    by AsimovLives

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    asimovlives

    by Michael Lunney

    Don't forget Stu Sutcliffe!

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by AsimovLives

    You mean the guy who was fucking Laura Palmer?

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    a range of folks from HBO's The Wire

    by The Goat

    Bubbles, Wallace, Michael and Cheese are all in this, so, at least some of the scenes should be good.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST

    asi

    by Michael Lunney

    He was an original member of the Beatles who died before they became world famous. I fucked Laura Palmer!! Who didn't?

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by AsimovLives

    It was a reference to what might be a little known movie called BACKBEAT, which was a biopic of Stu Suttcliffe and the early days of the Beatles during their Hamburg stay. Sherry Lee (who was Laura Palmer) played Astrid Kirchherr, Suttcliffe's girlfriend, in that movie. Sorry if my movie pun was so obscure. I actually do that a lot, you know? Each post in 4 or so of mine have some movie reference in them just for fun. I sometimes take for granted that people know what i'm punning about.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    asi - Backbeat

    by Michael Lunney

    Of course! cool reference - love it. Damn - you were one up on me on that one - but cool - I should have picked up on that reference! I saw the movie and loved it! Solid direction, great acting, and I remember the sound mix being really good and the muisic sounding great. Last weekend saw Part One of a two part movie about George Harrison, directed by Scorsese. Pretty good so far, with some flaws, slick if not totally satisfying. Also loking forward to a friend who is going to give me a copy on DVD of a recent theatrical release, a western called Blacthorne, link below, that I expect to be pretty good. I'll see it with my SF writer friend, who loves westerns even more than me. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1629705/

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Might be decent as long as Lucas didn't direct

    by Crimson Dynamo

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST

    BRIAN COX IN BLACKFACE YOU SAY?! COLOR ME I N T E R E S T E D ! ! !

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Tuskeegee Remake

    by Embeedeuce

    I loved the TV movie Tuskeegee Airmen. Which also starred Cuba. I don't mind another one; it's an important story. But really? Again? Same actor? And I'm pretty sure Terrence Howard played a Tuskeegee Airman in Hart's War. Can Lucas do anything original anymore??

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 1:38 a.m. CST

    supermarch shut the fuck up you racist piece of shit..

    by ganymede3010

    I didn't see anything in this review that stated Blacks are physcially and mentally superior to Whites.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Paths of Glory

    by Kizeesh

    This guy needs to watch that.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 5:16 a.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by AsimovLives

    The music in BACKBEAT sounding good... well, it's The Beatles, isn't it? Kinda comes with the territory. Speaking of Beatles, i know many in here disliked the movie, but me, i loved, loved ACROSS THE UNIVERSE. And you have no idea how hard it is for me to enjoy musicals. I loath them on principle. So the fact i enjoyed it should say something. fOUR moments stood out for me: the I WANNA HOLD YOUR HAND segment (i'll never heard this song the same way again), LET IT BE, COME TOGETHER (best part of the movie) and HEY JUDE. The COME TOGETHER part is what made me really love the movie. Brillant. The fact the song was sung by Joe Cocker sure helped. One thing yous hould notice about all those recent Scorsese docs is that he doesn't do the interviews or shoots them. He just edits the interviews, he has no contact with the interviees. One wonders if it's a reaction to his classic documentary THE BAND. He did a brillant doc about Bob Dylan, however, NO WHERE HOME. If before i respect the man, now i'm a fan. I couldnb't care les about his doc about THE ROLLING STONES because for me those guys died in the 80s. All they have been since is just a zombie band version of their former selves, just a cash making machine. They can join with Sting on the group of the has-beens who used to be great and now are just anoying.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST

    A shame this movie sounds awful.

    by dahveed1972

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Chauncygardiner...

    by Hipshot

    Like your name, and the movie it came from. Thank you for the kind "woot." I think the following way about these talkbacks, when racism seems to enter: During Slavery, there were whites who supported it, and those who were abolitionists. During WW2 and afterward, there were whites who supported segregation, and those who worked to end it, and marched with civil rights workers. Now, then...the descendants (literal or figurative) of the first group HATE to have slavery, bigotry, and racism mentioned in movies, because they lost. They'd love us to forget they're still among us, working their nastiness whenever they can. The descendants of the abolitionists, Civil-rights marchers and those who stood up for freedom enjoy depictions of blacks winning respect, freedom and equality because they believe that is the true American dream, and the true and rightful status of human beings. They look at a film like "Red Tails" as part of their own personal victory, knowing which side of the equation THEY would have been on. So movies like this lift them up, compliment them, prove their worth. A person who complains about movies "saying all white people are evil" are just telling you which side of the equation they would have been on, just as those who say: "hey! Great to see this important and ignored bit of history hit the theatrical screen! Wow! Everyone should be able to have heroes!" are clearly identifying with whites who, like Eleanor Roosevelt, fought to help all human beings have dignity. ## I love giving people an opportunity to demonstrate which side they are cheering for. Some cannot help but look back to the "good old days" when blacks knew their place, and didn't dare demand their place in the history books...or, say, the White House. It's genuinely entertaining to watch them squirm.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    hipshot......

    by macheesmo3

    You have no idea what you are talking about, didn't understand my point and instead you treated it like I was making excuses. I wasn't... I just pointed out conclusions that COULD be drawn based off of your information. Black people are OVER REPRESENTED in entertainment period.... You can call me a racist or whatever, if that's your blanket response to anyone who dares question your opinion. But it's a tired argument.... If someone can make GOOD movies starring black people (or whatever group) Like say Glory, then they should. But you sound like that we should all fawn over a movie BECAUSE it has black people in it and is about their history. I cheer for good movies, not ideologies. If a movie sucks I don't care if it's about space, war romnce or killin... It's a bad movie.. Oh and ASIMOVLIVES, typical whiny euro trash can't accept the fact that the mighty USA saved yer ass during WW2. The USSR "won the war" eh? LOL, Hitler was stupid and tried to run two fronts at once, that's his own damn fault. But with no Normandy invasion and no push through the Ardennes, your still speaking German (if you don't secretly do it already)... BTW, JJ Abrams Star Trek was better than most of the original Trek Movies.... deal with it missy

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    What's with all the Brian Cox references?

    by SuperSaiyan2112

    I don't get it, Mang.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    in ireland to kickstart the new season of the late late

    by emeraldboy

    the late late show team booked cuba gooding jnr. turns out it was the biggest mistake of ryan tubridys tenure as host... as you can see here http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate/20110902.html

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Ah, Macheezmo...

    by Hipshot

    I bet that if you looked at the population breakdowns that you would see that black folks are probably OVER represented in cinema. Plenty of characters are black in movies just to nab a demographic. I find this more dishonest and pandering than some sort of "triumph"

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST

    ?

    by macheesmo3

    Did I miss something? You just repeated what i said earlier... I do, stand by my statement that it's more disrespectful to add minority characters just to draw that demographic than it is to make a quality movie that involves different races.... Honestly, we all KNOW that every single day some movie exec. says " well, wait does it have any blacks or hispanics in it? gotta draw that demo...." True this creates the over representation, but it also gives Hollywood a free pass to make less movies about black folks other than the latest Tyler Perry abomination or something starring a rapper that goes direct to video.... This entire debate started about this Red Tails movie. and my argument is that it looks bad and in the long run is just going to end up being another lame attempt by some white liberal filmmaker to perpetuate the "noble negro" stereotype and show his own guilt.... Not to mention that George hasn't written a tolerable bit of dialogue since American Graffitti, so it's probably going to be ...well kinda shameful. As I stated, The subject matter of Red Tails is very apt for a big Hollywood movie, but it deserves to get the Flags of our Fathers treatment, not Star Wars Episode WW2....

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:28 a.m. CST

    WooooOOOOOOO!

    by wonderboy2402

    welcome to earth.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8 a.m. CST

    Macheezmo...

    by Hipshot

    I'm not sure what's going on here, but I'm going to take one more shot: You say: "Honestly, we all KNOW that every single day some movie exec. says " well, wait does it have any blacks or hispanics in it? gotta draw that demo...." True this creates the over representation" ### Read my lips: THERE IS NO "OVERREPRESENTATION." There is, statistically, UNDER-representation. I pointed out that blacks are about 13% of the population, and currently star in only 2% of the films at the box-office. How in the world is this "over-representation"? You are proceeding from a false premise. We've been EXCLUDED, not "overrepresented" and finally, in the last decade or so, are starting to make appropriate inroads. I'm sure it FEELS to you like blacks are "overrepresented" but take a look at an actual non-subjective list of films (try, say the list at Box Office Mojo) and check out, say, the top 400 movies. Check the star (person whose name comes first) of each, and you'll see that there is no over-representation at all. Or if you have a LOT of time on your hands, compile a list of say the top ten listed actors in each of those movies, and crunch THAT data. Same result: no over-representation. You need to ask yourself why it seems that way to you. You seem to be very very sensitive to images of black people, such that it seems we're popping up everywhere. It just isn't true. Wake up.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:18 a.m. CST

    macheesmo3

    by Michael Lunney

    Umm, I bet that if you looked at the population breakdowns that you would see that black folks are probably OVER represented in cinema. Plenty of characters are black in movies just to nab a demographic.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    hipshot

    by Michael Lunney

    I just wrote a long reply to macheesmo3 and it didn't come our right. Simply enough, the guy is just a hyperbolic racist. He has nothing to bgack up his racist claims. He is a simpleton and black people in film bother s him. The asshole even thinks nukes are an answer to pummel Pakistan. He's just another right wing lunatic braying at the moon because he hates America. He will never get it. Facts are his biggest enemy, and that is wehy he ignores them. In his mind, we are supposed to prove him wrong. He thinks his hatred is polite, free speech, but it is not. He can say whatever he wants to, but no one has to care. He wants the world to be seen as simply as he does, because he is a simple man.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    McGootoo...

    by Hipshot

    I love polite and vigorous conversation, even with racists. However, when people make claims and neither back them up nor apologize, they lose the right to interact with me--as Asimovlives did when he made the assertion that most American blacks were descended from Islanders, then when I politely asked for his evidence, accused me of being "afrocentric", challenged me on whether I believe Cleopatra was black, and then ignored my request for his evidence. In other words, he's an intellectual bully and coward. I love sniffing them out. It entertains me.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    hipshot

    by Michael Lunney

    Yeah, I love the type who asserts, in essence, I am not a racist, but I will bore you with what I believe is incontovertible truth about blacks, not based on any evidence except for the negative feelings I always have about them, and furtermore, how dare you call me a racist, you racist -- that type of passive aggressive idiocy. dog shed his grace on thee...

  • Propaganda is not history, chief.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    hipshot

    by AsimovLives

    What the fuck you talking about?