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Mask, Stilettos And Ears!! Anne Hathaway In Full Catwoman Regalia!!

I am – Hercules!!

First off, that mask does little to say “Look, I’m not Anne Hathaway!” She kind of looks ready to do the Batusi.  I would have gone with army boots and a cowl like Bruce:

On the other hand, the heels and ears (actually flipped-up goggles I guess) suggest she’s kind of a freak. Hot.

Here she is again with goggles down and most of her costume obscured:

See how they run:

"The Dark Knight Rises" hits cinemas July 20, 2012.

A whole batch of photos apparently originate at splashnewsonline, but you can find them at SuperHeroHype here.

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  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:30 p.m. CST

    What the fuck

    by rapscallion86


  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST


    by MooseMalloy

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    I Know Context Is Everything...

    by MakNeil

    but that costume looks awful. If Chris Nolan can make that look cool and/heroic then he's probably as good as many think that he is.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    And Those Boots...

    by MakNeil

    look really, really practical. I am surprised that she can stand, never mind run.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:35 p.m. CST

    I am still hopeful for this but..

    by rapscallion86

    The more I see of Selina Kyle/Catwoman/Anne Hathaway, the more concerned I become. Everything else has not bothered me, but this... this is something else. Something... not good.

  • Not bad. Looks better than Hally Berry's costume, at least.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Behind the scene pics..

    by vicmackey1268

    with movies like this always suck..she looks ugly, Bale looks really awkward, Bane looks short and stupid, etc...when filmed it will look good....I'm kind of a fan of the ears really being the tech glasses flipped up.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Someone mentioned that those are actually goggles on her head

    by MooseMalloy

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Shit's weak.

    by Aaron

    Wizzeak! She looks really, really uncomfortable, like "getting ready for the first homecoming of high school" uncomfortable. Like she's tiptoeing cuz she can't walk in heels.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    She looks like a dork

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Who has worse boots...

    by chaburchak

    ...Catwoman or Black Widow?

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    The same as what we've seen..

    by richievanderlow

    Look closely. The goggles flip up over her head to make cat - ears, she has the mask on underneath the googles. Really nothing new, just a new configuration. Looks fine to me.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    More pics at nukethefridge

    by ShogunMaster

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Forget her ... Every behind the scenes pic makes Batman look horrific!


    So lets wait to see it all on screen ...

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST

    It looks like Julie Newmar and that's a good thing

    by OutsideChance

    I can't believe some of the people who post here. They bitch when a superhero costume doesn't look like the comic book and when we get one that looks like the iconic version of Catwoman they still bitch.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Maybe Katie Holmes wasn't so bad after all.

    by luke_lymon

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:48 p.m. CST

    she has a NICE PHYSIQUE

    by Tigger Tales


  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Remember how awesome Spider-Man 2 was?

    by Jobacca

    People were saying that was the greatest Super Hero film OF ALL TIME and Raimi could do no wrong....and then we got Spider-Man 3. Thats all I'm saying......

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    RE: chaburchak

    by MakNeil

    Catwoman's boots are worse, and remarkably unpractical, by far. Most importantly, Black Widow can run in hers, because there's video of her doing so; while from that picture it looks like Catwoman can barely stand without stumbling, never mind running. Heck, I would like to see her walk at a decent clip, then we'll work our way up.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Come on, seriously. You're telling me you wouldn't hit that?

    by bat725

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Fat Cat

    by proevad

    No one else said it, so fuck it.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:55 p.m. CST

    The first picture might appeal to pedophiles.

    by Ingeld

    It looks like the head of a ten year old girl on the body of a twenty year old woman.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST


    by yubnubrocks

    Did someone from the Art Institute photoshop this? Holy fuck that is fake as hell.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8 p.m. CST

    When I saw the Batman costume from Batman Begins...

    by kinanimus

    I thought, "terrible." When I saw a photo of the "Batmobile," I thought, "stupid." When I first saw a shot of The Scarecrow, the Joker, and most other things I thought, "lame and uninspired." And then I saw the films, and it all made sense. It's not the "what," with these movies, it's the "why." Everything seems to be right on track, because that costume looks horrible.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    There is only one TRUE Catwoman...

    by JV

    ...and that is Brian Cox. That's right, we're still beating this mother into the ground. Fuck You.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    grannytits aint lookin too shabby

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Way better pictures at

    by davelib32

    AICN is loosing it.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    great now I feel like an asshole

    by gotilk

    apologies. that was mean

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    BTW - That Nuke the Fridge Website is NOT that bad

    by davelib32

    Out scooping AICN too!

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    loosing it?

    by gotilk

    Yeah, that's aicn that's *loosing* it. ROFL

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Ok "Loosing" LOL ... Thanks gotilk :)

    by davelib32

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Cut your losses Nolan....

    by The_Credible_Hulk

    Recast Hathaway with Emily Blunt and re-film all of the catwoman scenes. Maybe, just maybe, you can save your picture.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    and I'm "*losing* it :)

    by davelib32

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST

    What? No tire tread armor? Where are the "realism"

    by Dennis_Moore

    obsessed who think that she should be heavily arrayed like Bale/Batman, because they are unaware that current materials science has created flexible, shear-thickening plastic fabrics?

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Why does AICN only have one picture?

    by davelib32

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Nipples on Batman?

    by obi_juan

    But no nipples on Catwoman? WTF!

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Yeah i have t agree every behind the scene pic of batman was crap

    by kingoflight

    from the very start, then the joker pics they were all horrible and these ones too with bane and cat woman they all suck.. But the two movies have been great and i am no doubt that this one will be great as well. It's not so much the costumes it's the actors behind them. Seriously take a step back and remember when you first heard that Heath Ledger was the joker and then at pre production make up test came out and everyone thought what's this shit... and it turned out to be one of the if not the best roll of the year. that's all just a reminder

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST

    I thought Catwoman was supposed to be sexy???

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    No offense to Anne Hathaway fans but she isn't sexy! She may have sagging tits but her body is meh and so is her face! Why didn't they cast someone hot for Catwoman!? Damn miss opportunity indeed!

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    the cruel shoes

    by SmokingRobot

    Those shoes have only one reason for living and running around chasing bad guys is NOT IT.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    yea see...

    by yubnubrocks

    We don't have the viral thing going like we had with Dark Knight. No Harvey Dent stuff, or Joker sites... just horrible behind-the-scenes crap. I do wonder if Nolan is somehow doing this on purpose, and then we get a totally different picture than we were teased with.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Nuke the Fridge is the worst website on the internet

    by Bobo_Vision

    It's run by closeted homosexual Republicans who stalk the talkbackers who post there.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    re: I thought Catwoman was supposed to be sexy???

    by obi_juan

    She also has an abnormally large mouth. And maybe it's just me, but in the Catwoman photos it looks like she's got some weight on her.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST

    I'm all for waiting for actual official shots and everything...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    but it does kinda look 'meh' to me. I mean, the goggles being her cat ears is clever, but the suit is sort of off. Of course, since they are going for a more realistic cat burglar, one would assume the sexiness would be toned down. The hair being out also doesn't seem to work, but again, not official. Hope a new trailer or something comes out soon.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Hey bobo_vision - you going to this?

    by davelib32

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    trust Nolan

    by Charinger

    Whenever I see or read an interview with the actors from Dark Knight Rises, Batman always comes up. When they also mention the complaints like "Bane isn't big enough" or "Catwoman doesn't look right" or others. More often than not all the actors say "Trust Nolan". So I'm trusting him on this movie.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    bobo_vision - I see you have articals up on Nuke the Fridge

    by davelib32


  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    charinger - "In Nolan We Trust"

    by davelib32

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST

    deaft0ne is 100% right!

    by davelib32

  • Even if it's only half as good as Dark Knight was, it will still be a very good film.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:33 p.m. CST

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:34 p.m. CST

    by Dennis_Moore

    You must be Spango over at superherohype. Spamming the same message all over the web.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Plant, much?

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:35 p.m. CST

    @dennis_moore - You must be booboo_vision looking for homos

    by davelib32

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth - dennis_moore does

    by davelib32

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Also, the point of talkbacks is to vent, positive or negative.

    by Dennis_Moore

    Or you don't like that, GTFO.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST

    If you don't.

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST

    A domino mask?

    by Nuts


  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:46 p.m. CST

    oh, and thank God Brian Cox is in this film.....

    by Nick

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST


    by Dennis_Moore

    At least I can spell insufferable. You need to go back to elementary school, idiot.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST

    by Dennis_Moore

    One, your comment makes no sense. Two, you are a bigot. Are you looking for a Nazi rally?

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST

    way to prove my point cunt, I mean dennis_moore

    by Nick

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST

    I actually wrote a comment defending this costume,

    by Dennis_Moore

    but you wouldn't know that, as you obviously can't read.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Bitch bitch bitch

    by D.Vader

    Bitch bitch bitch bitch-bitch-bitch!

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Ya'll A Buncha' Slack-Jawed Faggots 'Round Here!

    by Cadillac Jones

    Except Ginge Muppet - nice to see you again, dude. Seriously, she looks great in the costume and these photos are out of context so, as usual, wait until the movie comes out BEFORE all you fanboy faggots bitch and moan about NOTHING - exactly like what happened with the X-Men uniforms, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight Joker make-up, etc.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see an official publicity shot.

    by MattDomville

    Like the did for Spidey when those photos got leaked. Hathaway's gorgeous, obviously, but those shoes don't really seem like would be helpful in a caper. Maybe they're supposed to double as weapons.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Mattdom - the shoes I agree on...

    by Cadillac Jones

    ...*I* would've opted for some sort of stylish tactical boot, if such a thing even exists (which I doubt) but it's a minor nitpick and except for the foot-fetish clowns, who the fuck is gonna' be paying attention to her feet?

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Looks good to me

    by Steve weaver

    Driving Batpod in Stilettos should be awesome!

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST

    At least I'm constantly near a cunt, if I have one.

    by Dennis_Moore

    The last one you've been near was on the racoon who gave birth to you.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:06 p.m. CST

    The heels are probably to give her height, so Bale

    by Dennis_Moore

    doesn't dwarf her.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    so is she gonna be the whore or the cat burglar

    by john

    cuz that outfit screams whore...cum fuck me

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Surely Catwoman would have six nipples.

    by Nerfee

    One for me and five for my marmots.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    I like it. It's sort of a cross between the sexy TV

    by Dennis_Moore

    Newmar/Kitt/Merriweather version and the recent Darwyn Cooke/Brubaker. But I can understand people being perplexed why they didn't just go with the full Cooke design, since it seems more practical. Like I said, at least it doesn't look like a tire tread. I imagine they like costumes in the movies to diverge from the books, cartoons, and video games so as to have a different design to market on T-shirts, toys, flamethrowers, whatever.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST

    I like it. Old School meets the Nolanverse.

    by DOGSOUP

    Doesn't matter if you hate it or not, this movie is still getting your money.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:22 p.m. CST

    @_nerfee_ Whenever she is on the beach, she

    by Dennis_Moore

    has an uncontrollable urge to take a shit and cover it up.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:26 p.m. CST

    this millionaire matchmaker show sucks- bring back blind date

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST

    of all the costumes we can't get nipples on...

    by vicmackey1268

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    She looks ridiculous ...

    by MattHooper

    All I ask when they make one of these things -- all I've ever asked -- is that they make it distinctive. You know, just not some lazy "thing" that looks like a bland imitation of something else. Something original. And something realistic. Distinctive. She looks ridiculous.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    are her cat ears another set of goggles?

    by kingoflight

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Looks dull, fits perfectly with the rest of Nolan's vision for Batman.

    by hank henshaw


  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    it's a true point on the mask, but...

    by TheSeeker7

    you think about it, there was the same stretch of logic in Green Lantern. what, someone looking at him with a cover over his eyes wouldn't realize it's still Ryan Reynolds?

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Historically, masks aren't just about anonymity, but

    by Dennis_Moore

    about their transformative power. Imagine a shaman/medicine man/witch/druid/etc. (whatever you want to call them) wearing a animalistic/demonic mask/skin, or a warrior sporting frightful helmets with horns and what not, attempting to embody/capture the spirit of a beast or monster, or merely to frighten an enemy, inspire one's troops...

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST

    As others have said

    by Peter David

    This was the same bitchy attitude when the Joker pictures surfaced. I swear, there are goldfish with longer memories than some of you guys. You know, it's a good thing that the Internet wasn't around in its current form when Cameron was making "Aliens." Cameron wanted his aliens to be fast and mobile, rather than stiff and awkward as the single alien was in the first film. So his alien costumes were essentially a few pieces stuck onto actors wearing black leotards. This way they could move fast, bound all over the place in shadows. If AICN had existed, set pictures of an a stuntman lounging around in his alien costume would have leaked and a bazillion fanboys would have been screaming how "Aliens" was gonna suuuuuuuuck. Nothing matters but the movie up on the screen. Not leaked pictures. Not leaked plots or even leaked scripts. Nothing. PAD

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    You put on the mask or costume or persona, and you become something

    by Dennis_Moore

    more. One of the key aspects of hero mythology. Hercules/Herakles wears a lion skin, King Arthur's name means "bear man" or "rock, stone" and also contains "Thor," Zorro means "fox," etc.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST

    First the DC New 52 CATWOMAN #1 fiasco --

    by MooseMalloy

    -- and now this. It hasn't been a good last few days for one of my favorite Batman characters.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:02 p.m. CST

    hahahaha looks like a kid playing dress-up at Halloween!

    by chien_sale

    I know she would be too much of a child to be Cat Woman.

  • She based this on Morgan Freeman's line about Batman's new armor working against cats. I launched into a slightly condescending explanation of how Catwoman didn't fit with the "realistic" world of Nolan's films. Hathaway is pretty hot, but seeing her in that get-up just reinforces how out of place her as Catwoman seems. Someone more athletic and physically believable? Maybe.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    With Ledger's Joker I thought they were staying

    by CherryValance

    close to the old TV show. I don't think there is a world of difference between Cesar Romero's and Ledger's Jokers. Including their looks. And this Catwoman seems to be very Julie Newmar to me. I like it. My original impressions of Batman were from the old show anyway. That's why I thought he was setting up a movie where Batman would have to face all the villains much like the old movie from the TV show. Until Heath died, that's where I was sure he was going. It would have been great. *sigh* I like those boots. They should sell them. :D

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Not happy with catwoman

    by FrodoFraggins

    I didn't understand how the character can fit into Nolans universe and the pictures aren't helping. I'm losing my excitement for this film.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST


    by justmyluck

    re: 'Nothing matters but the movie up on the screen. Not leaked pictures. Not leaked plots or even leaked scripts. Nothing.' Then why are you here on AICN or, at the very least, commenting on this? My first reaction to this costume, even before this TB headline, here... ..was that the stilettos were completely impractical for a supposed cat-like thief...clacking away down the hallways of banks or offices or wherever the valuables are. I guess you think people, even the filmmakers, don't value feedback on these things. Whatever.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:21 p.m. CST

    These pictures look nothing like Brian Cox!

    by wackybantha

    I call BS!!!

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Probably not the final costume

    by atalcot

    Hathaway herself said that this look wasn't the complete Catwoman costume (the Batpod and goggles lead me to believe this is the same section of the movie as the earlier still shot). I think this look is meant to pay homage to the 60's Catwoman, but she'll probably get an upgraded version later in the movie that includes claws, whip, and cowl (possibly from Lucius Fox?). We'll all just have to wait and see I guess.

  • ...then Lucius Fox appears with some stealth-mode stilettos / Kodak moment / roll credits.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Hathaway looks fine..

    by pr0g2west

    Don't understand all the negative feedback on this...she is super hot, still cat woman-like without being over the top, more realistic than previous cat-women. Hey fanboys...That is a picture of a "woman". They are different than boys...they have breasts, and wear high heels...I know it may be a little frightening to most of you to see one, but they account for 51% of the population of planet Earth, so you should get used to them. Sadly, this movie will not be the box-office success that TDK had...based on the fact that smoking hot cat woman will scare away all the geeks.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:38 p.m. CST

    @ PAD

    by Cadillac Jones

    Finally a voice of reason!

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    You Brian Cox people

    by CherryValance

    better stick with Cox, because you're never gonna get near a vagina. This "meme" isn't remotely funny. Contrived and sad. Whatever happened to the Hulk Hogan guy? (Am I the only old person here?)

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:42 p.m. CST

    @cadillac jones: yeah, a film's pre-publicity means nothing.

    by justmyluck

    Which is why studios spend millions on marketing, selective leaks, etc. Thanks for the news bulletin.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Aint It Cowl News?

    by MooseMalloy

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:48 p.m. CST

    eh, from these photos and the ones on nukethefridge


    it looks o.k. not bad, not great. I don't think I'm a fan of the minimalist style.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 10:51 p.m. CST

    @ Just My Luck

    by Cadillac Jones

    You, sir, are deluding yourself, like all typical fanboys. What you are proposing is self-entitlement. The pictures above are not "pre-publicity" (is that even a term?) - they were candid shots taken by an amateur and not sanctioned by Warner Bros. None of us are on set, none of us knows the context of the photos or the costuming, none of us has any reason to bitch and complain yet. When full trailers and footage DO start making their rounds and you still feel it's wrong, by all means bitch.

  • but i'm all for her burlaring in that suit. also isn't she supposed to be a stripper? the tiny mask is a little dumb, but the stripping might be the reason for that.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 11:04 p.m. CST

    I Love IT....

    by DarthMusashi2112

    She looks like Catwoman. Catwoman is sexy and Anne Hathaway is sexy. And I agree with everyone above me, when I first saw Heath Ledger's Joker, all I could manage was "well, that's...interesting" and not in a good way. Then his movie and performance blew me away. In Nolan we trust.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST

    the pics on nukethefridge look way better.

    by davelib32

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Grabs popcorn

    by Tighxo

    this should get good...

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 11:27 p.m. CST

    @cadillac jones, welcome to 2011!

    by justmyluck

    PAD, and your response to PAD, used an example of a 1986 movie ALIENS, before online communities even existed. If someone saw a pic of ALIENS in production circa 1986, authorized or not, it would be a case of: - wow, a different alien on wires - neat, a guy playing an alien with his mask off' - oh, look. That alien has half his costume missing!' - That doesn't look like the original alien...I wonder what they're going to do with that?' Maybe a fanzine or fanclub would arrange a gathering by phone or classified ad and discuss what they were seeing in the sci-fantasy magazines. Why would you want to shut that down? Why would you try to shut down discussion on this Batman TDKR pic, and (pfft!) tell me to wait for trailers? I didn't wait for trailers in 1986! There is absolutely no congruency between then and now as far as movie industry pre-publicity discussions are concerned. Between 1986 and 2011 is like a firecracker to dynamite. But of course, to create a smokescreen for a unmerited argument, you have to point to ONE THING (like ALIENS!) to distract from EVERYTHING ELSE (a bounty of unauthorized on-set pics in the Internet age). Welcome to 2011, the Internet, its movie fans, their discussions, the leaks, the hype, the great, the sucky...we're here and I (perhaps A LOT more) don't give a shit is a production still is signed off by WB or not. In fact, studio viral marketing is ALL ABOUT IT. So, you are telling me the linked Catwoman pic is *NOT* a production still because it's not released by WB's publicity dept.? Tell me that is NOT a photo of Batman:TDKR in production. Do not attempt to dodge this question. It's an easy one.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who doesn't like the Nolan movies?

    by Dazz

    I think they're better than previous Batman movies but still... Don't get them at all.

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 11:34 p.m. CST

    My guesss: She's going to be a Batman wannabe. No claws?

    by Bob Derek

  • And, yes, 'pre-publicity' is definitely a term in the Internet age: Google: About 31,300 results

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 11:49 p.m. CST


    by btc909

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Those heels are ridiculously built ......

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    .....for Superheroing purposes. Isn't she supposed to be a cat burglar? How in the world is a catburglar supposed to be scaling walls wearing those?

  • Sept. 25, 2011, 11:53 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    It works, but still reminds me of Batman with cat ears. Like a cute Halloween costume that a young girl might wear. Somebody here was right, she still looks dorky, rather than not dangerous.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:12 a.m. CST

    She looks FUCKING AWESOME.

    by Isaac R.

    Julie Newmar updated. Suck it haters.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Very Newmar, I like it....

    by BlackBriar

    Plus her body looks insane!!! Oh my! Oh my! Oh my!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST


    by Dennis_Moore

    I like it, so don't jump down my throat when I say that I'm not so sure that realism in design is what you want to go for in a superhero story, nor is this more realistic than certain drawn versions. But I actually think it looks modern comic book-y; it could've been just awful. If it were realistic, it should be heavily armored like batman's suit, as the realism proponents insist he should be, as she exists in the same world of bullets flying about. And, as gorgeous and way out of my league she may be, her body isn't as athletic looking as it should be, if you want realism. But I personally don't want hard and fast verisimilitude in comic book stories. Now the boots, sexy and impractical as they may be, are probably there to give her height without an apple box. Scarlett Johansson is also wearing impractical heels as Black Widow, for probably the same reason.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Now, no one is saying her suit is going to sink the entire production.

    by Dennis_Moore

    People are just discussing it, as this is a thread about pics of her costume. Attempting to stifle discussion, whether one is for or against, or merely discussing various points plus or minus, is just as pointless.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Doesn't matter. I'm still there.

    by blackwood

    But, fuck. Heels? Really? Fucking... REALLY? Michelle Pfeiffer could rock it because Burton's Batman was fantasy. And okay, lots of Nolan's Batman has been implausible and kind of dumb -- but dumb in a sensical way, convenient to the plot. But this is just asinine pandering. Glad I know. If the first I saw of it was in the theatre it would have bugged the shit out of me.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST

    @ gqtaste26

    by Batmangelo

    Obviously you've never seen havoc that bitch is bangin!!!!!! The fact that her ears are actually her goggles makes them look a lil less retarded too

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:26 a.m. CST

    I'll be straight

    by Kraven Morehead

    I've always wanted to make a mouth baby with Ms. Hathaway. If she wanted to defecate on my chest and take the feces she blessed me with and craft a little Devil's Tower on my torso as in the same inspired way Richard Drefus does in "Close Encounters" I think we could have some real fun BUT this outfit is not becoming of her. Just FYI.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Looks kind of lazy

    by Phategod2

    But who am I, I still have both.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Anne Hathaway is not attractive, much less sexy

    by Ivan Mordo

    If any director could possibly polish this turd, it's Nolan. But, wow, he's creating challenges for himself by casting really weird looking and unattractive actresses to be sexpots. Maybe that's the point - she thinks she's a sexy kitty-kat, but is actually pitifully and ridiculously un-sexy. Jesus, I hope Nolan doesn't blow this like the Wachowskis did with Matrix 3: The Revenge of the Matrix. I must say, I do trust him to pull it off. But I'm scared.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Yea, really uninspired. Goggle/cowl would have made a world of difference.

    by the Green Gargantua


  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Hollywood Hogan Looks GREAT

    by BuffDaddy

    As Bane.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Black again. Why can't we have a ginger Catwoman?

    by BenBraddock

    But seriously, this is most definitely meh, in my book. Burton's Catwoman was way better a re-invention of the look. This... not so much.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:25 a.m. CST

    It's not so much the costume as how it looks on HER.

    by Skraggo

    She doesn't have the figure for that suit. Honestly, she looks like your average cosplay chick at a convention. Julie Newmar and Lee Meriwether she ain't.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Fucking awful.

    by 3774

    I thought Nolan was all about 'realism'? I thought he'd be smart enough to not piss it away for a little teen-boy titillation. At least women can run in the Avengers. Those boots are four-inch spikes driven straight into the heart of my desire to see this movie. And after all the excitement I felt seeing the stunt girl at work jacking Bat's bike, too. Fuck you, Nolan.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:41 a.m. CST

    I would be fine with this were it not

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    for the stupid eye mask and the fucking HIGH HEELS. Great idea when you're a criminal or vigilante to INHIBIT YOUR ABILITY TO RUN!!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:56 a.m. CST

    This movie does not look good BUT

    by CuervoJones

    guys, that costume is Catwoman´s costume. What did you expect?

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:15 a.m. CST

    re "Anne Hathaway is not attractive, much less sexy"

    by Hercules

    my massive boner says otherwise.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:19 a.m. CST

    So she wears goggles over her mask?

    by kevred

    Er, huh. Color me unimpressed with this.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:23 a.m. CST

    If Nolan pulls this off...I'm on board forever

    by thatswhatshesaid

    Just so hard for me to visualize Catwomen in any form in Nolan's Batman universe.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:28 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Herc, your boner came from the Harry as Fay Wray cartoon in the corner. Admit.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:40 a.m. CST


    by Roderich

    its Harry as Jessica Lange, not Fay Wray. Check your fuc... facts! Regarding Catwoman: I also find her unimpressive, especially when comparing her to Julie Newmar. But then... it was f... Julie Newmar!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:54 a.m. CST

    WTF is the problem? It's eff-ing CATWOMAN!

    by Master Bruce

    Doesn't anyone remember back when Anne Hathaway was 1st cast she was only refered to as "Selina Kyle"? This prompted some concern that due to Nolan's more realistic vision of Batman, Catwoman might not even appear in this movie. So, we finally get pix of Anne as CATWOMAN, & it's still not good enough?! Oy! Oh, and for all those concerned about Catwoman's heels, she did wear them in the comics, & every tv & film version before just repeat to yourself "It's just a show, I really should relax". If it's good enough for Joel & the Bots...

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 4:14 a.m. CST


    by twisted_lullaby

    The ears are just that, ears. They form part of the strap that keeps her mask on. Pics of Batman in the Batwing too. I'm a massive fan of Nolan, but colour me slightly worried about this one...

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Really, master bruce?

    by 3774

    So it's ok if Nolan tosses out his much praised 'realistic take' on something if it give you an erection? No.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Dear Anne Hathaway

    by eveelcapitalist

    I would make you the happiest woman alive. Will you marry me?

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:04 a.m. CST

    It's ok guys, calm down...

    by catlettuce4

    This is just her stage costume from a brief scene where she is putting on a USO show for the troops overseas. The real costume is much more realistic and practical!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:13 a.m. CST

    FUCK I AM HARD !!!

    by KilliK

    told ya Hathaway was going to look ultray sexy in the catsuit.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Time to reboot Batman movies!

    by CuervoJones

    Nolan is ok, i like his movies, but some of us really want an "unrealistic" Batman, you know: shadows, weird villains, pulp noir, action, martial arts... even the fucking Bat-Mite.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:34 a.m. CST

    There is also a new video with the stunt of the Catwoman

    by KilliK

    driving the batpod,and you can clearly see that she is wearing boots instead of stilettos. BUT in the superhero link,in the last photo which shows Hathaway is riding the bike,you can see that she is wearing her stilettos. So what's the deal here? I agree with the above talkbackers that the stilettos look completely both impractical and unrealistic on Catwoman and for this kind of a movie.Point in case that the stuntwoman is using boots instead of the stilettos to drive the bike,which is a logical thing to do. Another thing that is noticeable,is the fact that the stilettos of the shoes are platinum-colored, which distinguishes them from the rest of the black outfit.Is she going to use those stilettos literally as stilettos? Kicking and hurting the thugs with her weapon-shoes ,like a cat is using her paws to defend herself? I dont know how Nolan intends to use the stilettos in the movie,but it is a stylistic strange choice for a super-heroine outfit in a supposed realistic super-hero movie.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:43 a.m. CST

    =What more would u want out of a cat woman costume?=

    by KilliK

    to be invisible..

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:43 a.m. CST

    My thought exactly

    by ellid

    Those boots are ridiculous. She'd get five steps and fall flat on her face. Awful.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Looks good to me. I still think it shoulda been Olivia Wilde, though.

    by NeonFrisbee

    Hathaway is cute, but Wilde is HOTT and crazay sexay. Plus, she has that skinny, feline body. Yummy!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Feline body?

    by CuervoJones

    Zoe Saldana is a cat.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:34 a.m. CST

    =Zoe Saldana is a cat.=

    by KilliK


  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Damn,the stuntwoman's ass is way better than Hathaway's

    by KilliK

    check for yourself: FUCK !!!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:56 a.m. CST

    PAD's right, but ...

    by The StarWolf

    I recall how people were appalled by news that the X-Men were going to have sidearms in the first film because the director had decided to chop their powers back and ... Didn't happen and the film was quite good after all. At least it isn't the dreadful, torn up version in the awful, AWFUL Halle Berry CATWOMAN. Still, it would have been nice if they'd gotten it right, goggles, cowl and all. Hoping for too much I suppose.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Νο,it shoulda been from the start:

    by KilliK


  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Nolan trouble

    by space doughnut

    I hope with Brian Cox in this one, it wont be as bad as every talkbacker expects...

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Cant wait for this "real world" shit to go!

    by TheManWhoCan

    As it inevitably will after this and Nu-Spider-Man bomb<p> I can’t watch the Dark knight anymore! After the 2nd viewing I realised it was an over long stupid plot hole-ridden mess and Nolan doesn’t like the character. <p> Nolan is responsible for the studio "brains" re-booting spidey, but these idiots don’t seem to remember a little movie called Daredevil, where someone thought it would be a good idea to darken or “batman” up the character into something Matt Murdock never was. He was a “happy” superhero. Spidey is a “happy” superhero! Neither one is the Batman and audiences know this. That is why Spidey will bomb and hopefully Marvel studios will get the character back. <p>

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Terrible...Jump the Shark!

    by Shaun1138

    Wow...looks bad. The visor sitting on head looking like cat ears before it swings down on face is lame. Who can fight or climb roof tops in those heels? WTF? Pictures of the earthquake machine are popping up as well. Weak, weak, weak. First the League of Shadows uses economics to bring down Gotham, and then a water vaporizer. Now it is obvious from the trailer that Gotham buildings are falling down because of the stupid earth quake machine. Change the title to "The Dark Knight Jumps the Shark".

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Those boots transform like the ice-skate bat boots

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Ann I know you read this because you are a cute little geek.

    by UltraTron

    I'm going to bang you silly someday. You won't know it's me until after. You'll remember I said this and we'll have a good laugh about it.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Damn KilIk

    by mattforce7

    Ya that stuntwomans ass is fucking Niccceee. I was just thinking tho, i still want to see Annes ass in that costume, like RIGHT NOW. but u cant beat a nice tone ass like that. Then again, yes you can

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Heels no worky with suit

    by MoneyGrabSequel

    Not as bad as Halle Berry (what could be?) but not as nearly as good as Michelle Pfeiffer. I’m disappointed in this as it’s just sooooo bland. Looks like they were going for a sleek special forces look and slapped on those platform heels and mask. The heels kill it for me, they just don’t work. She looks so unbalanced that she might topple over in these shots. Heels worked better on the Michelle Pfeiffer because she had that dominatrix thing going on, and they were just heels not those ridiculous platform things. This Catwoman should be wearing either ninja slippers or combat boots. Still, I bet the movie rocks.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Oh thank god!

    by cloudyP

    Another comic book super hero movie. I keep thinking we've run out.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Anne is in because of her acting ability. She obviously impressed Nolan

    by performingmonkey

    Also, can everyone please STMFU about the 'realism' debate. This series features a man dressed up like a fucking BAT, for the love of god. Therefore Catwoman DOES fit in with Nolan's take on the material. As long as Batman exists Catwoman can too.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    This is the first pic I don't get

    by melonman

    But Nolan is great at casting - so we'll see

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Interesting- the stuntwoman's outfit does not have high heels. Afterthought revision?

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Roderich does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    roderich, I just looked up the word *pedantic* in the dictionary and saw your face next to it! Don't try to school the old skool, sucka!!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:16 a.m. CST

    @dryllion: No, you're not alone.

    by ThatEndDown

    Personally, I found both films to be rather boring and over-long, especially 'The Dark Knight.'

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Btw, Is the Brian Cox thing supposed to be funny?

    by NeonFrisbee

    Ha... ha?

  • I mean, I know that Saldana had cgi to make her look like a thundercat, but look for that pic of Olivia Wilde crawling on the ground, arching her back, butt up, with that mischievous/sexy gleam in her eye... THAT'S Catwoman.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST

    @neonfrisbee what pic with Wilde?

    by KilliK

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    What pics with earthquake machine??

    by KilliK

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    So, does anyone else reckon Batman gets killed in this movie?

    by V'Shael

    To like, cement it as a trilogy which no one else will fuck with once he's gone? Christopher Nolan - The Man Who Killed Batman ?

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST


    by thefirerises

    SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT? Thought this thing had just flat-out died. aka shooting was finished and we could stop thinking about the fact that Nolan flat out tanked on the third film until the trailer in December. But no, it looks like they just can't stop shooting. Fuuuuuuuck this thing. Seriously, that new Arkham City trailer from a couple of days ago, compared to this? That's where the Bat is these day peeps. Screw Nolan.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Michelle pfieffrt was the cat's meow as this character

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    She was believably crazy enough

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Too bad this doesn't have Dewey Cox in it.

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Calling Paul Dini!

    by CuervoJones

    That guy knows how to translate Batman to visual media. Dark and gritty, yes, but also FUN and COOL.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Haters are gonna hate

    by Dyslexic Palindrome

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    More like "Tubewoman"

    by batzilla

    She looks like she's made out of tubes. Tube arms, tube legs. Weird looking.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Wow, Harry's scoop months ago was spot on!

    by Mike J

    Or, to put it in a more accurate way, AICN's scoop was, as predicted, totally wrong. It seems a loooong time ago that AICN actually managed to get really amazing insider info on movies, rather than just running totally inaccurate stuff or stealing genuine scoops from other websites.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Not impressed with the pics

    by coosawatchie

    But then again I remember the behind the scene pics of Heath Ledger as Joker looked stupid. We all know that turned out pretty awesome, so I will reserve judgment on these

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST


    by samsquanch

    Fucking boots, man. How hard is that? Do you think all the fanboys are going to lose their bat-boners unless every single woman on screen is wearing 10" heels? I like heels on a woman. A pretty girl Like whatsername, with long legs looks fantastic in them, but for FUCKS SAKES, this is someone who chases people over rooftops. <p> With everything else that has been accomplished so far in this series, you'd think you could put boots on a superhero. Fucking idiots.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Wish I cared more about Anne Hathaway as an actress

    by JudgeDredd

    But I don't. So there ya go.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST

    davelib32 and other rabid defenders

    by MandrakeRoot

    Who exactly judged the whole movie on this costume? You say people are doing it but apart from maybe 1 or 2 morons, everyones just stating the obvious - the costume in that still looks pretty fucking stupid. That doesn't indicate the quality of the film even remotely. Please fanboys don't get so defensive. I reckon if this was a still from a non-Nolan film most of the praisers here would be trashing it. But let's be serious - it's a picture of a woman dressed up like a cat. That is inherently silly. I'm sure it will look fine in the movie, as such is the magic of cinema (althought Hathaways casting continues Nolans weak female casting). The thing is, as "realistic" as Nolan wants to make these, bottom line is it's a superhero story about people who dress-up and fight crime and bad guys who also dress-up. Eventually this aspect always shines through (see: Two-Face). Nolan should know there's nothing wrong with that and not fight it so hard - looks like maybe he's embracing it moreso here. And also folks saying the leaked pictures from the earlier movies were terrible and even "horrific"? What utter, utter bullshit. I mean, really...horrific? You guys loved all those just like you love these. Stop backtracking to justify these so-far underwhelming pics, you really dont have to. As I said, the beauty of cinema is it makes what looks silly on set, well, cinematical.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Batman costumes leaks, aka: When every talkbacker becomes Tim Gunn.

    by AzulTool

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    I also think...

    by MandrakeRoot

    Nolan can surpass some aspects of TDK this time, biggest of all is actually finishing the film with a good, exciting climax. The ending of TDK was just really poor...we had awful sonar fight, Joker releasing dogs, plus Two-Face totally wasted by being crammed into 10 minutes then killed. And worst of all DONT PULL THAT FERRY SHIT! That was SO lame, taking us away from the real action to focus on complete strangers no one gives a shit about. What a predictable, anti-climactic ending, without a shred of tension.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by Billy_D_Williams

    looks like something out the 60s TV show

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    How does Catwoman in 6 inch heels fit into Nolan's realismverse?

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • face it, Nolan's bat films have been flawed from day one, chickens coming home to roost in the finale!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    i guess in Nolan's relaismverse, a decent looking chick is "sexy" and "hot"

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • HEELS on Nolan's catwoman makes zero sense considering the realism he's strived so hard to achieve...she must be the world's clumsiest cat burglar with those fuckin' heels!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    hercules, getting a boner does not mean she's sexy...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    hell most fanboys get a boner thinking about Nolan

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    How does CLAYFACE fit into Nolan's realismverse???

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Anyone but Maggie G hall is fine by me

    by Knobules

    Hissy voiced bassett hound head almost wrecked the last one. Anne is unattractive? Watch Havoc.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    This looks horrible. I've seen better cosplay of Cat Woman

    by Orionsangels

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Meh, it's ok, nothing more...

    by Jack Desmondi

    Yes, I know it is a not an officially released photo, but this costume is about the level of a nice internet halloween variety. Not very creative

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Nolan picked ZACK FUCKING SNYDER to direct Superman!!!

    by Billy_D_Williams

    Face it, his taste is about on par with his bat films...

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Lot's of future congressmen on this site...

    by Dyslexic Palindrome

    The movie isn't out yet. And you folks must already know...on some primal level...that the movie is gonna be good. If on nothing other than merit alone, I think Nolan has earned the respect and TRUST of fans of the genre. But the Trolls must go on with so much venom, non-stop complaining and bitching. And in the end ALL of you haters will be amongst the first in line. Itching to fork over your $$$ so you can watch the movie. Empty rhetoric. Pointless bias. Cognitive Dissonance. Some of you are so ready to go into American politics.

  • Oh yeah, and like Anne Hathaway is fugly. If you say so, Fantards.

  • which is why i was opposed to Nolan's realism angle from day one, it simply DOES NOT FIT into Batman's universe, catwoman, clayface, hell even two face

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST

    I think Nolan has earned the respect and TRUST of fans of the genre.

    by Billy_D_Williams

    not with the mediocrity of Begins and the smorgasbord of plot holes in TDK

  • Sept. 26, 2011, noon CST

    @billy_d_williams - Game Recognize Game!

    by Dyslexic Palindrome

    I can't wait til YOUR movie comes out. You're gonna show these simpletons how it's done! Right? :)

  • Sept. 26, 2011, noon CST

    Actually you can bring realism to someone called Catwoman

    by Continentalop

    If you can make a "realistic/plausible" Batman, why the hell not Catwoman? Or why not base her more on the Golden Age Catwoman, aka the Cat/Cat-Woman? <p> Yes, this movie might be good. Yes, she might work in the context of the movie, yada yada yada. But just at face value, these picts look ridiculous. I think the best bet is to hope they are a prank.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    actually Batman is NOT plausible

    by Billy_D_Williams

    a guy dressed as a 6 foot flying mouse without being laughed back to his mansion? sorry, not plausible.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Τhe only thing that is missing from her suit is a cat-tail.

    by KilliK

    I wonder if she uses a litter-box when she wants to take a shit.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by Continentalop

    Notice I put "realism/plausible" in quotations.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    RE: Anne Hathaway's beauty (or lack thereof)

    by Dyslexic Palindrome

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (beer-holder?) but to claim Anne Hathaway is not beautiful by many standards is daft. She's a gorgeous woman! Just like Julia Roberts, Sandra Bullock, Ellen Page and a plethora of other 'girl next door' type actresses are gorgeous. Just because her pedigree is not 'Hollywood Sex Bomb" doesn't automagically eliminate her from the hottie club. I would totally hit that in a second and most of you posers would too. And if you don't understand just how lighting and make-up can take a 'what the fuck did I just wake up beside?' face and turn it into a 'who is the goddess that just walked out of my bathroom?' face, then you don't know a thing about natural beauty and probably even less about women. Heck...that might be the problem right there :)

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Catwoman cant be realistic? Have you seen the damn comic pic of

    by KilliK

    her in the top page of this article? Catwoman is one of the most down to earth Batman villains. That comic pic has a perfect cat-suit which can be used for a real-life Catwoman in a movie. If i was the director,i would have..oh fuck it why bother.others are going to get the glory and the money,not us.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Yes, Justmyluck, it's not a production still

    by Peter David

    Any more than a quick photograph taken of you while you're standing around somewhere is the same as a professional portrait. Don't give me this "welcome to 2011" crap. I've been active on the Internet since 1986. I would rather say to you: Welcome to reality. The reality is exactly what I said it is: that half-assed fans bitch over half-assed pictures. And you know what two half-asses make? Total asses. Pointing out that a discussion is idiotic isn't the same as trying to shut it down. Trying to shut it down would be saying, "Shut up, all of you!" Which I haven't said. All I've said is that pre-release material doesn't matter, which it doesn't. All I've said is that only the final product matters, which it does. That applies to everything from spy pictures to studio-released trailers (how many trailers have we seen that make the film look great, and then it turns out to suck?) You want to go on line and bitch about pictures? Go right ahead. It's your time to waste. PAD

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    the pics on look great ... What are

    by davelib32

    you guys thinking saying it sucks?

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    More like 'Kept Woman'!

    by space doughnut

    I'll go with Maggie Q as Catwoman any day! She definitely makes a sexier one than ole Anne here. Something about Hathaway that i find very unappealing. cant seem to put my finger on it...

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST


    by space doughnut

    anne sure has tiny boobs and thunder thighs! Huge! Think i just swallowed my own mini-vomit!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Continentalop does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Conti, nice to see the real you. A chump imposter with a slightly diff spelling called continentolop has been masquerading and spewing nonsense on the boards recently.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Easy, Billy D Williams

    by D.Vader

    Don't take so much offense, mate.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    Seriously, I don't get the Hathaway love. She's nothing special. Personally, I would have loved to see Charlize Theron as Catwoman. But for some reason Nolan has a thing for casting plain looking ladies (aside from Marion Cotillard).

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Personally, I like the

    by Brian Hopper

    Brian Cox meme.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Nolanverse?! Fuck, Really? / Maggie Gyllenhal's Jowls

    by THX1968

    The fucking term "Nolanverse" has been coined? How's about "Cockverse" instead? Just because. And, yeah, Hathaway looks like a dork and I could name a dozen SEXIER babes that could have/should have played the part, but we did have Maggie Gyllenhal served to us in a Batman flick. Thanks, Nolan. Maggie Gyllenhal - jowls and all... in a Batman movie. Maggie Gyllenhal has jowls at the age of 25 and I had to watch her in a Batman movie, and Anne Hathaway gives Herc a boner. Michelle Pfieffer, Kim Basinger, Uma Thurman, Nicole Kidman - those are the chicks that give me boners - still, to this day. I'm leaving Katie Holmes outta this cause she is legitimately hot and totally gives me a boner. Nolan's flicks will not be known for their sex appeal, that's for sure.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    For the good of cinema, let's hope this movie is terrible.

    by Darth Philbin

    I hope this bombs and the Avengers and Superman movies bomb, bringing an end to the trend of studios throwing bags of cash at producing funny book movies and ushering in a new era of films filled with original and creative ideas. Only then will Kubrick return from his homeworld and take back all that rightfully belongs to him.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    Woah, woah, woah... hold on there! You're listing Sandra Bullock alongside Julia Roberts and Ellen Page???? Sandra Bullock *IS* a Hollywood sexbomb! However, those other two birds are 6s at best. Actually, come to think of it, Sandra Bullock would have been a good Catwoman.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Not a fan of the heels and the eyemask, but I trust Nolan.

    by sweeneydave

    I know I said the same thing about Burton after Batman Returns, and Shyamalan after Unbreakable, but what can I say? I'm a trusting guy. I'll trust until you give me a reason not to, and Nolan hasn't let me down yet - with ANY of his movies.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    how about instead of "hot", what about "fit"?

    by samsquanch

    it would be nice if the woman cast to play a character called CATWOMAN looked as if she could do a single pull-up.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Not getting a Catwoman vibe at all here...

    by mdk

    ...More like a "nerdy, but semi-attractive librarian who knows nothing about comics who threw together a Catwoman costume for Halloween" vibe.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Darth Philbin, it won't happen

    by D.Vader

    If "original" properties like Paranormal Activity and District 9, both of which made money, didn't make studios want to invest in new ideas, the death of comic book movies won't either. Its wrong to want them to fail simply to support something else. Its right to want them to be *good* movies on their own and to fail because they are *bad*.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    And say what you will about Snyder, I agree that

    by sweeneydave

    Sucker Punch was a let down, but Watchmen is a monumental epic that really lives up to the graphic novel in my opinion. The "Ultimate Cut" is a comforting blanket of a film that I have memorized simply because I know the graphic novel by heart. I'm grateful that it didn't deviate too much from the source (ending aside).

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Has anyone else picked up on the "Batman/Christ"

    by sweeneydave

    parallel with The Dark Knight? I wrote a paper on the whole "For Batman so loved Gotham that he took on the sins of Harvey Dent, just to save the world from it's own evils."

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Never caught that one, SweeneyDave

    by D.Vader

    Nice work!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    How about Halle Berry as Catwoman?

    by D.Vader

    I bet she'd make a really hot Catwoman. Girl can act too.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Starting to get worried about this for 2 reasons...

    by Darth Macchio

    One: High heels?!?!!? Seriously? A professional cat burglar wearing stilettos? Why ever wear such absurdly non-functional shoes if not for the aesthetically pleasing aspect? High-heels instead of combat boots or some type of tabi boot and you're a professional thief? And I'm just supposed to take that seriously? In this very serious and realistic take on the Batman mythos? Which leads to my next point of concern... Two: If not for function, obviously stilettos are for 'sex appeal' except the problem with that is Hathaway doesn't seem to have quite mastered her sex appeal yet and doesn't really know how to use it without being overt and, likely, comical or awkward. She's a beautiful girl to me but not really that sexy, more "prim and proper" than "naughty and slinky kinky". (she seems more "pretty-pretty" than she is "boom-boom maneater sexy" if it matters). The difference being confidence - Hathaway doesn't seem to have enough just yet to pull off this character, if it's to be the sexy version, but I'd be happy to be wrong on that! And, more to my point, given the utter lack of sex-appear in Nolan's take on this Batman universe thus far, especially derivative sex-appear like we might get in a stiletto wearing "cat woman", I think it's overt placement in the final film could potentially be a terrible distraction. She's a love interest? Meh. She's a professional thief wearing stiletto heels (sorry, that's ridiculous on every freakin level)? Hella-Meh! She wears a lone ranger eye-covering and yet nobody recognizes her? Duh..meh? Or is it all part of the sex-appeal? (forehead slap - meh!) Ok, ok, ok..just random ranting concerns here and while I do trust Nolan to do great work even with what looks like initial weaknesses, this is starting to stack up a bit and, to me, it ain't stacking good. As always when it comes to Nolan's work, I'd be thrilled to be 100% wrong about my concerns...

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by poop


  • Pointing out that a discussion is idiotic isn't the same as trying to shut it down.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Judgement via pre-production stills...

    by Darth Macchio

    Yeah, we've all heard that before and it's not without merit obviously. And it pays thinking on it as I remember quite clearly all the rumbling about Ledger's casting and the first few looks of The Joker ("Why the scars!! They're bringing the scars back from that Burton abomination!!", etc, etc) but even given the nature of pre-production stills, from those of us in the industry or not, they can still show what might end up being on the screen and I think most of the complaints are to try and prevent that, not mindlessly criticize it. Granted, the chances of any TB having an affect it slim (it has happened apparently) but let's not all go full on witty-attack on those of us expressing concern from a glimpse of a couple photos - it's not a big deal either way and most of us would be thrilled to be wrong with any potential negative concerns anyway...

  • As you are well aware, a production still (a publicity still) and a photo of the production are different things. We've all seen quick photographs taken of someone while they're standing around, on set or location, in everything from studio-sanctioned tie-in books to fan magazines - before and beyond 1986. Sometimes these unprofessional set photos are even from film crew, like some of AICNs valued BTS pics. Your attempt at wiggle room by steering this into *production still* was a fail, I regret to inform! - Don't give me this welcome to 2011 crap. I didn't give it to you, I gave it to cadillac_jones. - I've been active on the Internet since 1986. Oh, really? Name a few sci-fantasy online Internet communities from 1986. - half-assed fans bitch over half-assed pictures. You're definitely bitching over a non-posed photo, trying to avoid that it was a photo of Batman:TDKR in production, by saying its a not a *production still* or *professional portrait*? That was half-assed by definition. Why do you call people half-asses, or deluded fanboys (!) like cadillac_jones ... you both might as well strap lighting rods to your heads and run for the golf green as the clouds roll in. - Pointing out that a discussion is idiotic isn't the same as trying to shut it down. AGAIN, that was in response to cadillac_jones. Is cadillac your sock puppet? Surprise, surprise. (edit further PAD attempt that pre-release material doesn't matter, despite studio pre-publicty, viral marketing, select leaks, set visits by bloggers, etc.!) - You want to go on line and bitch about pictures? Go right ahead. Oh, before you, sir! - It's your time to waste. It's only a waste if you're being half-assed.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Peter David

    by Mike J

    I can understand your point to an extent but your example of a "wash 'n' wear" alien costume doesn't get around the fact that the basic design would still have looked good, albeit possibly cheap, poorly made rubbish. The fact here is that these pics of Catwoman - whilst unquestionably not lit the way they will be in the movie - do at least show the basic design, and it is pretty piss poor. That mask 'aint going to improve no matter how Wally Pfister shoots it. Granted, this may be a false costume - maybe Selina Kyle wears this one to a Halloween party or something - but if it is the Catwoman costume it is pretty unimpressive. PS Signing off all your posts "PAD" is a bit unnecessary, you know?

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Thanks Peter

    by Roger Moon

    love ya babe. I'll have Larry call and we'll set up a lunch. My best to the kids.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    I hate being right

    by Kamikaze_red

    Trying to keep an open mind. I am a huge fan of Nolan and his Batman movies. I was dissapointed when Catwoman was announced to be in the film. For all the reasons that I feel now when I see how wrong it looks and feels. I am hoping Nolan can pull it off but everything I have seen so far looks pretty lame.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    LULZ @ JustMyLuck

    by Cadillac Jones

    Dude - I'm the one that was bitching at you about "pre-publicity" pics, dumb-ass. You're attacking the wrong dude. Also at the fact you've been simmering about this for almost 15 hours...

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Bah. Lame.

    by Jaka

    She's lame. She will make this movie lame. Sucks.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    I agree with Peter "I love Marmaduke" David....

    by Jaka

    ...except where I don't, which in this case is quite a bit. Anne is wrong for the part, the picture enforces that (imo). Having a discussion about such things is what makes AICN go 'round. You usually pick your battles well here, but it seems like your panties are a bit too bunched about this one.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Hathaway not attractive? BULLSHIT!

    by Mattman

    If that chick walked into your bedroom wearing that catsuit, the only way you'd turn her down is if your dick didn't work properly.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    @cadillac jones, your simmerings are showing.

    by justmyluck

    Sorry I wasn't hitting F5 for almost 15 hours like yourself. Both you and PAD are replying to a topic about a photo from the Batman:TDKR production, aren't you? Oh, I forgot, you dodged my direct question as to whether the pic was from the production or not. Gotcha!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    by Joe Damiani

    I like the idea of the goggles turning into the catears, that's clever. The stilleto boots on the other hand...

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST


    by Peter David

    I was asked if it was a production still. I said it wasn't. The response I got was: There's a difference between a production/publicity still and a picture taken of a production. Okay; I didn't say there wasn't. A production still is taken by a professional photographer hired by the studio and is generally set up or framed in a manner that reflects as positively as possible on the production...not to mention that it typically provides a correct context for what you're seeing. A publicity still can be taken during production, but is just as likely to be a staged picture photographed somewhere else. As opposed to a picture taken at the production by some guy with an iPhone that provides inadequate basis upon which to judge anything, which was proven as recently as the last Nolan Batman film. Back then it was "Heath Ledger is miscast" and "the costume looks awful." Now it's "Anne Hathaway is miscast" and "the costume looks awful." Some people are wise enough to see the parallels and reserve judgment. Others aren't. Plus you have to love the notion of anonymous guys proclaiming that Anne Hathaway isn't sexy when, in real life, they would faint if Anne Hathaway waggled her little finger at them. As for communities active in 1986, justmyluck: it was called "Usenet." I didn't say it was a science fiction/fantasy community (you DO have problems with reading comprehension, don't you.) Established in 1980, Usenet was one of the first bulletin board communities, if not THE first, and I was the first Marvel/DC writer on it. Although I occasionally contributed to the science fiction boards, most of my time was spent on what was called rec.arts.comics. I suspect that, since you were ignorant of Usenets existence you either weren't born or not tall enough to reach a keyboard. Other such communities such as GEnie and CompuServ showed up a few years later, and I was there for those as well. Yes, your response was addressed to Cadillac Jones, but the very first line of it was "PAD and your response to PAD," so I figured you were talking to me as well. (It's nice to know that your problems with reading comprehension encompass not only what I write, but what you write). If you now want to claim that you weren't, okay. I understand your wanting to withdraw since I'm kind of demolishing everything you're saying, so perhaps the best response is indeed, "But I wasn't talking to you." Ape--it's twenty-five years worth of habit. Not about to stop now. PAD

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    @darth macchio

    by Dyslexic Palindrome

    Been to a strip-club lately? See those girls doing all kinds of flips, jumps and pole acrobatics in high heels? I think only a woman....and obviously some of the guys on this thread (you know who you are. LoL) can speak about the 'practicalities' of wearing high heels. High heels are impractical to begin with. Period. They serve NO practical purpose that I know off except to accentuate the natural beauty that is a woman's legs. Yet we see women in them walking, strutting, dancing, running to catch cabs/trains/purse-snatchers..etc on a daily basis. She's called 'Cat Woman' y'all....of course she's gonna wear heels. LoL!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I want her to walk on me

    by Queefer Sutherland

    I think she looks great. I'm gonna pull out my dick and start jerking off as soon as I finish typing this.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:31 p.m. CST

    I'd Hit it

    by lookylookymoontard

    She can keep the boots on as well See you all on opening night you fucking whinging wankers

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by Mace Tofu

    are not what I'll be watching as she runs. I'm sure the cameraman and editor will pick the money shots that work.

  • He dodged it, of course! For a third time, you're assuming cadillac_jones' position to answer me. I can only assume cadillac is your sock puppet, for you to keep doing this. You also stated, 'I've been active on the Internet since 1986.' when I related pre-Internet Sci-fantasy groups. I'm sure the comprehension difficulties are with you, not being able to parse that connection, hence your projection that I'm the one with poor comprehension! -Yes, your response was addressed to Cadillac Jones, but the very first line of it was "PAD and your response to PAD," so I figured you were talking to me as well. No, as was perfectly clear, I was talking directly to cadillac_jones about his response to you. Though, do keep ATTEMPTING to divert away from the fact that this is a production still from Batman:TDKR, like we'll see in some future fan mag or BTS someday. Off the cuff, unaware, candid, etc. However, you think that this being an advance leak, and an AICN headline story, gives the opportunity to puff-up and diss the people discussing its merits. It certainly doesn't, and the more you try to wriggle and pronounce demolition (!), the more you appear to squirm. - I understand your wanting to withdraw since I'm kind of demolishing everything you're saying. I never withdrew. Hopeful projection, yet again. - It's your time to waste. It's only a waste if you're being half-assed.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    @ justmyluck

    by poop

    WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH BRIAN COX? Don't avoid the subject.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    @buttnasty: I'm IAN HOLM, damnit!!

    by justmyluck

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    For a costume party or the bedroom, she looks

    by Dennis_Moore

    mindblowing. For storytelling purposes, the costume looks like insecurity from the director or production designer. As if they can't decide if they want to go realistic or modern comic book fantastical, or 60's TV sexploitative. You can see the Cooke/Brubaker version in there and the Newmar suit, minus the overly busty/cheesecake-y rendition by Adam Hughes of the Cooke version. It sort of fits and sort of doesn't with the Nolan version of Gotham. Heck, so did two-face. No way that guy could've walked around with that manner of damage to his body. Nolan went more ridiculous in his slant-realism world than the books version of Harvey with his acid wrinkled/discolored face.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    @cuervojones Fuck yeah! I agree. Bat-Mite and all.

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    @billy D

    by lookylookymoontard

    I'm certainly open to the idea,although 2 might be better

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST


    by KilliK


  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Brian Cox in a catsuit.

    by KilliK

    i would pay a dollar to see that.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    But I'm not saying this'll effect the final movie. The

    by Dennis_Moore

    last two were enjoyable, but not as awesome as I think Batman has the potential to be on the big screen. I think I and others have valid questions about what they wanted to express with this costume, apart from eye-candy. And it looks like the stunt woman will have to do all of the heavy lifting, as she doesn't look athletic enough. She's absolutely beautiful, but that doesn't mean she looks right for the character. Putting on some muscle tone would've been professional, like Bale in the first movie.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    affect the movie. damned lack of edit.

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Those who cannot do...

    by Dyslexic Palindrome can't be right! Wait...I got it. "those who cannot do, bitch!".

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    I'm with Justmyluck, PAD

    by Mike J

    I met you at a UK Trek convention back in the 80s and you were pretty full of yourself then, talking down to us mere mortals. 25 or so years on and I see you haven't changed at all in that respect.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    If anything Batman should be given a lighter looking

    by Dennis_Moore

    suit to match the aesthetic. Doesn't make storytelling sense that neither she nor the Joker previously need the heavy armor that they insist Batman wearing.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    insist Batman wear. Excuse me. Brain is going today.

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST

    I REEEAAAALLY want to say...

    by notcher

    I told you so. So many fucking people here wanted her in this, now that she is, all I'm reading is how shitty she looks, blah blah blah. Yeah, she's fucking CATWOMAN, what did you expect? Fucking morons!!!

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Should've used the Darwyn Cooke costume but Hathaway is a miscast..

    by Thanos0145

    to me. (I would've cast Eva Green.)Looks like Nolan broke his own rule regarding the "realism" in his Batworld. How are you going to take on the League of Shadows warriors in high heels and long hair that they can grab? I still think DKR will be a pretty good movie but my expectations have been lowered greatly.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST


    by Raymar

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Good trick, Ape, meeting me at a UK Trek convention

    by Peter David

    What with my not actually having been to one. An SF Con and a Babylon 5 Con, yes. A Comic Con in Glasgow. Not a Trek con, though, at least not that I recall. So either you've got the convention wrong or the writer wrong. Or both. As for Luck, if you knew anything--doubtful, that--you'd know I have no use for sock puppets. Sock puppets are generally constructed by people who already feel the need to hide behind fake names and drum up support because no one agrees with them. First of all, people have agreed with me. Second, I honestly don't care if people agree with me or not, because all I'm doing is putting forward simple facts that are indisputable, whether you howl about them or not. Every time you try to challenge me on facts, you get them exactly wrong, and then fall back on the typical tactic of your ilk of claiming that questions weren't answered when they were. I said I was on the Internet in 1986. You insinuated there was none. I pointed out that there was, and exactly where I participated. You tried to make it about a specific subset of the Internet, ignoring the fact that your insinuations were misplaced. (As if comics fans are any less prone to decry projects, particularly Batman film projects, prematurely.) I explained the difference between genuine production and publicity photos and spy photos snapped behind the scenes. Your response? To claim I didn't, which was a lie, and further state that I'm assuming other identities, another lie. None of which changes this: Fans bitched about Heath Ledger based on spy shots in exactly the same circumstances as these. PAD

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:25 p.m. CST

    So much for Nolan's reinterpretation --

    by MooseMalloy

    -- which of course is no reinterpretation at all. Mimicing the goggled design of the last few years would have been a better choice. How about instead of a leather pantsuit look -- a modern athletic gear kind of thing? Also I think Ashley Greene would have been a good choice.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    i still got confidence though.

    by NorthTronic

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:27 p.m. CST


    by MooseMalloy

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    I am not worried about the costume as much as...

    by TopHat

    ...the fact Nolan, like most directors today, can't make good female characters; they sit back and demand the male characters do everything, judge their actions, then get credit for being "strong and independent". Katie Holmes in BATMAN BEGINS doesn't do anything except criticize Bale's Bruce then judges him for becoming Batman. Maggie in THE DARK KNIGHT does the same with Bruce AND Harvey; Harvey does all the work, she just interrogates one guy, then she scolds Harvey for not telling her about "outing" himself as Batman, doesn't tell him she loves him, and shits on Bruce for "letting" Harvey impersonate him. All the women in these movies have been critical, weak, shrews. I'm afraid Hathaway's Selina will be no different except for the fact that she actually gets dressed up and does stuff. But, I'm thinking all she's gonna "do" is steal things from Wayne Industries (which will be depicted as some great feat just because she's a woman), then bitch at Bruce for being too "depressing" or something. I am terrified that the "Dark Knight" that "Rises" in this movie is meant to be her. I'm afraid Nolan is pulling a bait-and-switch and making Selina/Catwoman the true "hero" of the franchise. That he's gonna either kill off/hurt Bruce and make him AWOL, then have Selina take up the mantle of "savior of Gotham". And she'll not earn any of this because like all female characters in action movies she'll be able to inexplicably take down Batman and/or Bane and know things that the other characters don't just because she's female. They're going to try to build her up as some kind of equal to both Bruce and Batman when in reality she isn't. Also, yes. Anne Hathaway IS attractive. But, if they emphasize her looks to the point of having her wear heels with her "realistic" costume, then it won't make much sense for her to just be a cat burglar. They'll have to work in the prositute angle as well, imo. Or, it'll just be yet another annoying female character who makes the male characters idiots just because she's showing cleavage or some leg. And I won't for a SECOND believe Bale's Bruce/Batman would fall for something like that. West's/Keaton's/Kilmer's/Clooney's Bruce/Batman? Yes. Bale's? N.O.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Skills issue.

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    It was my impression from the comics that she got so good after a number of years that she was able to do this with long hair.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Stop pretending you wouldn't.....

    by Gabba-UK

    You know you would.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Hope that Newmar is getting residuals

    by Longtime Lurker

    Because that's her look they are using right there.

  • ...I just find it amusing. Not gonna happen dude, give it up. Pick an easier sparring partner next time.

  • ...No saying Hathaway's isn't nice either, but this theme park chick' ass has to be seen to be believed. Other better asses than Hathaway's: Michele Pfieffer (then and pretty much now too) Mary Louise Parker (classic ass), Sheryl Crow (50 + and still a great one), practically any Hispanic chick who hasn't gotten fat yet, most Persian chicks under 35 years old... all better asses than Hathaway's. Obviously Nolan wasn't casting for ass. Maybe it should have been somewhat considered?

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Shit, I'm just full of typos today, I admit it.

    by mdk

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Best ass in the showbiz?

    by KilliK

    Brian Cox. FACT.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    And here is a taste of Newmar's Catwoman ass:

    by KilliK

  • Owe you one bud.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    But Pfeiffer is great too:

    by KilliK I dont know,i think the competition is very strong for Hathaway to make her Catwoman as memorizing as the old ones.but we will see when the movie is out.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Ah, Usenet

    by Peter David

    Haven't thought about it in ages. My major recollection of the rec.arts.sf board (as I said, I wasn't a major participant there) was when Roger Zelazny died and one guy said, "Good. He hasn't written a good book in years." And every other person on the board ripped this guy apart. Good times. And I know, probably at least half of you are saying, "Who's Roger Zelazny?" Go find a copy of "Nine Princes in Amber" and find out for yourself. You'll thank me later. Now THAT was a fantasy series that should have been made into a movie or TV show. PAD

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy's impression of Hathaways Catwoman...

    by conspiracy

    Strangely first. Then again all women are compared against Newmar...which is unfair seeing as her insane body was studied for years by science as a genetic one off, the paragon of puurfection. Still...the suit doesn't quite seem to fit her "Right", flattening out Hathaway's luscious unaugmented lactose laden, gravity obeying suckle pods , while making her look slightly "poochie" in the gut. I also dislike the lack of nip and slit action...which one should see given the tightness of the suit. Plus she is wearing stilettos that would trip a professional stripper; she does look uncomfortable in these shots. Let me say... I'd pay $13.00 to see the outtakes of her trying to run in them...and if she can...she will have raised Cons opinion of her even higher than it already is. Those minor annoyances out of the way...let me say that Hathaway is an inspired choice for Catwoman. Lord Bale himself is as we speak sliding her professionalism deep inside Anne's moist incubator...his majestic seed filling her vacant womb with the makings of a future master thespian. And if he is not...then he really is a God amongst men to resist the intoxicating allure of that woman. You see...Anne is nigh close to perfection from a purely sexual point of view. Lets start with her lithe, toned gams. Is there a man or woman amongst us that would not need physical restraint to keep from dry humping those perfect legs like a rabid canine? I think not. Why any one of us would most likely kill to have Anne straddle our faces, and while lovingly stroking her taught perfect calves have her shower us with her hot lust. I know I would. And that ass. Sure..there are more curvacious asses in Hollywood...but people, viewed on the whole she has a wonderful lower body. Her baby bearing hips and ample abdomen speak volumes about her ability to hold massive capacity. Surely BAles fist knows the pleasures of Annes depths. Speaking for myself...I would love to feast on Annes beautiful buttocks...letting my tongue lap the catsuit sweat from her tight off pink orifice until her honey dripped down her tight thighs until it pooled on the floor for later consumption. The delicious dairy plump udders speak for themselves...; no word, written nor spoken by this humble scribe could ever capture the magnificence of her unaltered, exquisite, milk fat filled, fleshy pleasure bulbs...the mind boggles at the deviant things Anne does with them in the dead of night when her lust makes her quake and there is no release at hand. My god... And that face. Come on my friends...look at it! Those BEAUTIFUL Anime eyes and that crazy, almost disturbing but ultimately sexually stimulating mouth than in any other life form would be used to strain krill from the sea. Tell me...with a straight face that no man or woman amongst you would not desire to taste that hot pleasure giving and seeking mandible. Anne has a mouth that people who love mouths lust for..., and it is probably the reason Ebert will pan the film...mouth envy. But for the rest of us...Annes face is a thing of rare form, just odd enough to make the eventual spunkfall that would drip from her node, chin and gaping wonder maw a sight worthy of being called a modern artwork Really...Anne has a face made for the Getty. Anne in watch...that picture will demands it. So on the whole...silly stilettos that don't really fit the rest of the outfit, and a cut that does not do the perfecting of Ms. Hathaway's unrivaled unconventional beauty justice. But I'll fap too it anyway.... 7 out of 10 hard-ons for no other reason than I know what lies under it.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Nipples on Catwoman...ain't all that bad now that I think about it!

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST

    The heels

    by Peter David

    As I recall, Silk Specter wore stilettos in "Watchmen." She came across fine in her action scenes. PAD

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    I'd Baste Her In My Ball Batter

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Fucking idiots saying she isn't gorgeous! I'd spray my prick puke all over her. I'd smear her with my cock cream. I'd fill her with my man meat. I'd...

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 7:12 p.m. CST

    This davelib32 fella is clearly a closet homosexual

    by Bobo_Vision

    He even used his yahoo email address as his AICN name in the hopes of attracting a triste from a geeky tranny. He shills for a website run by a bald closeted Latino who changed his name to Louis in gay love.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Hathaway is soft looking and is a horrible actress... FAIL.

    by uberfreak

  • Armor of God i think,where he fights 5 black chicks who were wearing stiletto heels and using them as weapon against Chan by kicking him with them. That action scene is one of Chan's most memorable and it shows that a woman with heels can be deadly.The probelm is that those women were professional fighters and Chan well Chan is a master of the action genre. Nolan's action direction skills are weak as we all know,so it will be very curious to see how he is going to approach directing an action scene with a chick wearing heel.

  • BRAN COX. COXBRAN. 100%.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Nothing is sexy about this girl. She looks like a piece of wood.

    by Orionsangels

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Anne wood? I'd drive a nail into her.

    by conspiracy

    Come of people...that joke was too fucking easy. Lets get creative. And unless you are hooked up with a stripper, pornstar or professional model...I doubt any of us are nailing anything close to Anne Hathaway. Love them or not, ya gotta be honest...Anne is hotter than your typical movie fans live in slit.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    If you think Hathaway is that amazing, then you really got to get out more. I've seen banging bartenders with more attractive and proportionate features than Anne. Not to take anything away from Anne if her performance in this movie actually be any good.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST

    damn.....this broad can't win. with anybody LOL!!

    by NorthTronic

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST

    'The Dark Knight Rises' ...& so do I

    by profp

    Actually, she doesn't do much for me, though I know many consider her a toothsome wench. Just couldn't resist the headline.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 8:55 p.m. CST

    confidence waning


    Avengers you have taken top spot in: films I want to see in 2012.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Love Zelazny. Was saddened by his passing.

    by Dennis_Moore

    My favorite fantasist of all time, next to Lieber. Now, you DO NOT want a live action version of the first series with Corwin, as the Syfyllis channel owns the rights. Though, currently, Hugh Jackman would make a perfect Corwin. Shame, really.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:22 p.m. CST

    terrible costume

    by lostboytexas

    michelle pfieffperpeper fucking nailed it back in the day! this shit? not so much

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST


    by triplesixclickqueer

    Same COX different day. Plagiarism < COX Old Jokes < COX Gwynie Paltrow's Diet > COX Gwyneth > Anne My shit < Your shit. COX = COX It's positive and negative energy, man. Like a fucking lightning storm . Anne looks totally choice ... for a girl :(

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Gwyneth's diet v Everything and Everyone

    by triplesixclickqueer

    > It's all that matters and she should Be Catwoman , man. Not effin Anne > effin Anne Sorry wrestling is on and the arithmetic meme ? , is it a meme? has taken control. Gwynie's yoga pose > my yoga pose. Anne is just ok ... for a girl :(

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Black Anne

    by triplesixclickqueer

    < Black Gwyneth COX = COX. One day something will come of something else and the catwoman thing will make sense. FYI : The catwoman thing already makes sense to Gwyneth as life is made for Gwyneth and everyone else. BUT ME ... feelin like a girl :( BAD CHOICE FILMMAKERS Gwyneth drinks tea and i will start drinking tea too. FYI sorry, but GOGGLES find me COX

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    hercules... several corrections.

    by gringostar

    Anne Hatheway is NOT sexy and a shite actress, also you do not have a massive boner, you are a massive boner. I suppose if you have never felt the touch of a woman she might get you going, fortunately I have and she doesn't.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Gwyneth Paltrow

    by triplesixclickqueer

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Because I believe in God

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Fuck Everything else in the world. Gwyneth and now everyone done fucked up. Up bad way to end a thought. Sorry, Gwyneth: Yea, this is pretty lame. I hate this and just don't care. Because I never believed. And neither did the filmmaker's . Just give Gwyneth a voice for us lot. Anne Hathaway knows some shit and is a woman. Gwyneth is never unhappy abd is my choice for the perfect catwoman. far away her emotions are from emotion making cat burglary natural and therefore a natural foe for your .. batman , it's Gwyneth or nothing.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST


    by triplesixclickqueer

    Only she knows COX . Only she is supposed to know COX. Confusing? You tell me.

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Peter David is decrying the very mechanism of AICN

    by Bobo_Vision

    Posting early photos, stills, info about upcoming movies followed by the opinions of AICN talkbackers is how this thing works. And using Heath Ledger's Joker as an example of talkbackers being wrong is as cliched as the nipples on the batsuit. How many films like Dark Knight or performances like Heath Ledger as the Joker have we had in the past year? How many? That example was an exception. <p>

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Nevermind :

    by triplesixclickqueer

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Anne is

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Purrrrfect. NO! I will not concede that point and write that! No. 'Cause that's what little girls do :( Anne perfection < Gwyneth's perfection COX = COX

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Sound Points

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Concerning this movie will come after seeing the movie. My opinion remains < your opinion is better

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    writing will be made

    by triplesixclickqueer

    color me a fascist for not recognizing that mistake. I wish my wishes less than your wishes One wish: Dinner w Gwyneth dressed in black

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Gwyneth Paltrow

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Is Twitter

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Or PAD

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Same avenue different details

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Cliches on AICN

    by Peter David

    The cliche isn't pointing out that AICN posters had hissy fits about Heath Ledger, although that is particularly germane in this instance. The cliche is that many posters have the default reaction of "It's gonna suck!" based upon: 1) Spy pictures 2) Promo pictures 3) Announcement of director 4) Announcement of screenwriter 5) Rumors that a particular actor may be attached to the project 6) Teaser trailer 7) Full trailer It's hardly limited to this movie, although it is especially bizarre since this dance has been danced through two previous films with the same creative team...a team that wound up producing films that many others hold up as the gold standard against which other older-skewing superhero films are measured. Instead you could do a cut and paste of previous discussion threads, drop in "Anne Hathaway" for "Heath Ledger" and have the discussion be much the same (except I assume the Ledger thread had less high school level chortling about sex.) Which of course they're entitled to do. It'd just be nice if they did it in a way that was...I dunno...thoughtful. Of all the bitching that I've read here, the only one that was really thought provoking was Tophat in which he (she?) built a case that Nolan has a less than stellar track record with female characters and that having Catwoman be the primary antagonist might bring those weaknesses into stark relief. I don't know that I entirely agree, but at least Tophat put together an interesting critical analysis that's going to have me taking a closer look at the previous films from that perspective. Dennis: SyFy has the option on "Amber?" Oh God, then yes, I agree, I hope it never gets made. I still shudder when I think about their treatments of "Flash Gordon" and "John Carter." PAD

  • Sept. 26, 2011, 11:45 p.m. CST

    @ peter david: lying will not further your wriggling one bit.

    by justmyluck

    PAD's at the point where he's stating incorrect things which will bait my involvement in these meandering distractions. Yes, more lengthy retorts! No surprise there but...hey, I don't know anything according to I'll bite the clever bait one more time! PAD - I've been active on the Internet since 1986. Justmyluck - Oh, really? Name a few sci-fantasy online Internet communities from 1986. PAD - I said I was on the Internet in 1986. You insinuated there was none. That was a lie PAD, plain and simple. Did that help distract from the fact that the Catwoman pic here is a photo from Batman:TDKR's production? Did that lie help distract from the fact that off-the-cuff, unaware & candid set photos like this end up in publications, both studio-sanctioned and not? I understand why you moved on to those distractions, sockpuppet discussions and such. My suggestion cadillac could be some kind of sock puppet of yours was in no way out of line - as you're smart enough to know. You answered to THREE of my statements directed to cadillac_jones! Don't try to lie about it - just plain sad, it is! PAD - None of which changes this: Fans bitched about Heath Ledger based on spy shots in exactly the same circumstances as these. Lots of fans embraced Ledger's lool in the leaks and mega-levels of viral TDK marketing - even before full trailers. People all over the place even made their faces up like Ledger's in viral marketing events! Batman:TDK killed at the box office. No point for you, PAD. I'll bring you back to my original question: if leaked set photos mean nothing to you, why are you even on AICN, or at the least, commenting on this Catwoman pic? Oh, you dodged that already, so I'll stick with my thoughts that a new leaked pic, and a headline to go with it, sets you off puffing-up and dissing those who critique leaks. Sorry, that's just an honest observation of what you did. PD - I understand your wanting to withdraw since I'm kind of demolishing everything you're saying PD - all I'm doing is putting forward simple facts that are indisputable, whether you howl about them or not. PD - if you knew anything--doubtful PAD, do you really go through life like this? Is these statements of yours just online-board-puffing, or do you actually think like that? Insecurity much? Do you also believe that people fear being demolished by you, and wane from your retorts? I understand, from experience, it can be *tiresome* having to continually elaborate and reign you in as you distract and distract, once you're stuck for answers. Is that how you got the impression people are withdrawing from you...they just became tired? Making comments like those, as I said earlier, is like strapping a lightning rod to your head. You must love this stuff. That said, maybe PAD, you're trying to drag me to the 'nyah nyah' level and I'm doing this all wrong. Above, in the TB, your ALIENS comments were just ONE THING which distracted from EVERYTHING ELSE. Maybe that's how you view things, so I'll try it! **During the production of REVENGE OF THE JEDI, there were pre-publicity photos leaked of the BLUE HARVEST unit shooting Jabba's sail barge. SW fans became intrigued from the print publications which ran these photos, and there's zero doubt these leaked photos were discussed through SW fanzines and fanclubs. These BLUE HARVEST production photos were later run in official publications. We still see these photos today, and it enhances our appreciation of the making of RETURN OF THE JEDI.** Peter David is saying, pari-passu, that fans should not have discussed these type of photos in the day, since they had no bearing on the actual ROTJ movie. Likewise, PAD states that *nothing matters but the movie up on the screen. Not leaked pictures. Nothing.* PAD, do you understand how screwed-up that is? No, Peter David, don't just watch my words go by while thinking up your next answer. DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW COMPLETELY FUCKED UP THAT IS? Did that ONE THING distract and re-focus you enough? Good! While you were distracted, I moved your wrecking balls, bulldozers and demolition equipment to a barge, had it pushed, with you, out to sea where you can offer another faux-quizzical 'Huh?' to the heavens. Best of all, your indisputable simple facts and demolitions will never be checked - you'll love it there! Oh, no need for thanks...bon voyage!

  • Saying those leaked pics help you appreciate ROTJ's production might even get you demolished!

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Reading thought provoking things here

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Shame on me. And shame on you, cutty and pasty excuse me. cut and pasted. Deer Hunter or nothing

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Unbelieveably hot...

    by grendel824

    ... those "goggles" photos were odd, but the Julie Newmar look is ridiculously hot. I'm sold. Marry me, Anne?

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Time Wasted

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Better spent ordering a decaf tea for Gwyneth She knows and needs one, Asap. I learned nothing and rightfully so. X-Factor circa 94 kicked my ass because jamie had like, multiple personalities. Though Gwynie needs only one: Catwoman Confusing. I declare everyone the winner and initial name the smartest i.e. the smarter

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1 a.m. CST

    I too have a less than stellar track record with female leads

    by triplesixclickqueer

    :( Cause im a girl. Plot points , man. If Nolan does have a bad track record directing female leads please explain why. How is that possible if no one here has any idea of how a female lead shall act. In fact, I doubt a female lead knows what a female lead is. Why debate female leads when Gwyneth already knows..about God. and twitter

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1:03 a.m. CST


    by triplesixclickqueer

    End with Gwyneth as catwoman because she is too quick and knows why being quick is what the director needs for the scene. Gwynie: Catwoman Film It

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Her Motivation

    by triplesixclickqueer

    COX Again: COX

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST


    by triplesixclickqueer

    Batman needs motivation so he is provided yearly with new: Ah, fuck it. COX. Reasonably Rex Grossman argues and concurrently dismisses including catwoman becoming batman's nemesis in the new nolan B film. While I argue that Rex is correct he still plays like a ppppusy. Rex is just one fucked up confused cat that doesn't know what he wants to the detriment of the team. Rex will let the angst go or Gotham forever is robbed of a hero.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1:19 a.m. CST


    by triplesixclickqueer

    Doesn't know He just doesn't know and that is the point. Well played

  • ... so no need to bother with content.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Not to throw gas on a fire, but it seemed like most

    by Dennis_Moore

    of the angst toward the look for Ledger's Joker was regarding whether or not the white skin was going to be make-up within the Nolan-verse, or chemically altered skin, and the fact that the Ichi the Killer homage was too blatant or lazy. Oh, and from homophobic people who couldn't separate fact from fiction, thinking Ledger was his characters (e.g. "Brokebat Mountain" jokes), or that he was just a weak actor, just a heartthrob, despite his powerful performance in BM. I seem to recall positive reactions at many message boards mixed in with the negative.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1:38 a.m. CST


    by triplesixclickqueer

    Just about to post 4 more about science but I know nothing about science. Content, 30 more posts and pushing a talkback down; them words gave me a COX boner Sorry friend - But I agree and will not just post to post anymore. My motives are pure

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Make-up within the Nolan-Verse is stale

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Like me so I bid you all bye-bye Sorry It is probably fresh, imaginative make-up and I am jealous of the artist who make-up the men needing make-up for without make-up there is no NOLAN-VERSE. Sorry,

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Brian Cox would look sexier in that latex suit!

    by space doughnut

    You know you definitely want to see that!

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Cox looked better as Catwoman in Burton's batman, true


  • Sept. 27, 2011, 4:39 a.m. CST

    In Nolan We Trust

    by AsimovLives

  • Didn't turned out too shabby, though, did it?

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 5:48 a.m. CST

    yeah, the performances and the composition of the cinematography


    will have a huge impact on how successful the Bane and Catwoman characters are. I say this because these aren't the most flattering camera angles, especially these 2 posted at AICN. We all know Nolan can direct, so it's up to Hathaway to make it work. At worst, she will be a passable Catwoman, I think.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 5:57 a.m. CST

    You people van keep this series...

    by The_Ritty

    I'll stick with Batman and Batman Returns

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 6:07 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I agree. You made some very good points.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Stilettos? Seriously?!?!

    by ninpobugei

    That makes just no sense. It may be sexy to some, but it's just plain stupid in real life - and this is a franchise that prides itself on gritty reality (or at least as close as a superhero flick can get). Personally, I find heals to be a stupid fashion trend. Women that wear them are just plain gullible. They're not sexy, they're ridiculous...making them walk funny, contract bunions, back problems, etc. Only women could be dumb enough to buy into clothing that's bad for them (lol).

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 6:56 a.m. CST


    by Peter David

    I"m trying to parse your word salad of a response since your "the question is" has been shifting and mutating somewhat incessantly. This may take a few moments. Let's see what we've got: 1) Are you saying you WEREN'T insinuating that there were no Internet communities back in 1986, and that therefore I wasn't participating in them? Ah. Okay, then what we have is inept writing on your part. Here's a hint: Saying "Oh really? Name a few..." etc. comes across as challenging, allowing the inference that you doubt the assertion. In order to avoid the appearance of coming across like a brat, what you COULD have said was, "That's interesting. I didn't know that there was an Internet mechanism back then. And I'm too lazy to do two minutes worth of research, so I'd like to know more about it. Furthermore, I wasn't endeavoring to distract from anything. I was simply responding to your posting of "Welcome to 2011," which had my name in your opening graf and thus prompted me to think you were talking to me, although you're now claiming that you were talking to someone else. If you don't want people responding to your statements, don't include their name IN your statements. If you don't like their replies, then stop asking questions altogether. But you don't get to claim that someone is throwing up smokescreens with irrelevant answers when all that's being done is that they're answering your questions. Okay, well, you do GET to, but you come across as something of a fool. I didn't say your sock puppet accusation was "out of line." I was just explaining why it was wrong. Again, if you don't like the answers you're getting, you might want to reconsider how you phrase the questions. 2) "Lots of fans embraced Ledger's lool." That sounds vaguely obscene and I'm going to assume you mean "look." I'm aware that fans were not united in their disdain for the casting of Ledger; that's pretty much a given considering fans are rarely united in anything. And I have used qualifiers from time to time in this discussion, just to accommodate those such as you who will try to assert that since not ALL fans feel that way, that somehow undercuts my original statement. But I sure don't recall a lot of love for the spy pictures. None of which detracts from my original points, no matter how much dancing you do: you can't really make any judgment as to how something is going to come across on the screen until you actually SEE it on the screen (true) and that (lots of, if you must) fans bitched about the Joker in the exact same circumstances that they're now bitching about Catwoman without seeming to learn from the previous examples. 3) If leaked photos "mean nothing" to me, why am I even here? Because I like Anne Hathaway as an actress, and I liked the previous two movies. So when I saw there was a picture of her from the upcoming movie here, I thought, "That's interesting. I'll take a look." My being here actually makes sense because I'm a fan. Get that? A fan. An enthusiast. One who enjoys films in general and certain films and actors in particular. Plus I'm able to see such pictures for what they are: an intriguing glimpse behind the scenes, but nothing more than that. Certainly they're nothing upon which you can hang an opinion about what the final product will be like. The better question is: Why are YOU here? Why are the uber-bitchers here? They don't seem to enjoy advance looks at things. They don't greet announcements of possible films with enthusiasm or have open minds toward projects. Instead they seem to treat behind-the-scenes spy shots as some sort of bizarre confirmation of already held notions that it's gonna suuuuuuck. I don't fathom the attitude of alleged fans apparently looking for excuses to rip into the things they're allegedly fans of. I suppose it depends whether you think "fan" is short for "fancier" or "fanatic." If it's the former, then where's the love? If it's the latter, well, okay. But then you have to acknowledge that fanatics don't generally see things clearly and with cool heads. I'm "dissing" no one; just questioning why they're fulminating over things that ultimately cannot be used to render an informed opinion to the final and product as has been amply demonstrated in the past. 4) While I'm thrilled that you have a Word A Day calendar that provided you with the term "pari passu" (not sure why you stuck the hyphen in there, but whatever), dropping in that term when you could have simply said "likewise" doesn't make the statement any more accurate. First of all, the photos from "Jedi" were taken by a studio photographer; they weren't spy pictures taken by someone behind the scenes with an iPhone, if for no other reason than that they didn't exist. Second, you actually did manage to trip over a valid point: why DIDN'T fans bitch, piss and moan at that time? I have to think that fans really WERE fans back then. They were enthused about whatever visual material Lucasfilms allowed to get out to the fan base. Back then fans stoked the fire of enthusiasm rather than trying to piss on it. Allow me to speculate what it would have been like if photos of Princess Leia in the slave girl outfit had been released today. "Carrie Fisher looks ridiculous." "Way too skinny for that outfit." "What kind of fetish is Lucas into now?" "She's flat chested and skinny with no hips." "I'd bang her." "You couldn't get it up to bang her." And on and on. And you, I suspect, would have been leading the pack of naysayers. So I don't think you really get to compare what people in those days were like--namely actual fans--to whatever passes for it these days. PAD

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 7:01 a.m. CST


    by my liege

    Only guys on the internet could bitch about sexy bitches dressed in skin tight costumes and high heels. Or gays, I guess.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Dont you guys sleep in USA?

    by KilliK

    jesus,it's 7.00 am there and you are still arguing about a movie with a guy wearing a suit of a flying rat.think about it.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Some of us have kids

    by Peter David

    I got up at 7, made my daughter breakfast to get her ready for school, massaged my brain awake by demolishing some inane comments here, and am now ready for my work day. It's the mental equivalent of calisthenics. PAD

  • Her big googly, exopthalmos eyes bulge out of her eye mask, her banana tits (which were revealed in Brokeback Mountain) are small and squeezed into the shape of oranges, but are out of proportion with her hips making her look very pear-shaped. And her dorky lack of poise comes through as she lamely hangs her arms in front of her like a T-Rex, or a bobble-headed marionette. <p> That said, Nolan could still make all this work....but that photo sucks. Yeah, Heath Ledger rocks, blah blah blah....shut up, fatty.

  • but i trust Nolan.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I want to do her. I'm a sucker for a woman in leather.

    by ChickenStu

  • From my computer screen, before Mother bursts in and gives me the kick

  • from my computer screen, before Mother bursts in and gives me the kick.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST


    by lprothro

    I've been wanting a film adaptation of the "Nine Princes" series since the Clinton administration. After having seen there bastardized version Flash Gordon, however, I pray to high heaven that someone will get the rights away from the Sci-fy network..

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST

    I was hoping she'd wear her wardrobe from "Love and Other Drugs"

    by jawsfan

    Seriously. It's called REALISM. In reality, my cat doesn't wear clothes, so neither should Hathaway.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST


    by doom master

    There was ALOT more to the costume than what was origially shown... Whoda thought ALOT MORE translates into flipping the goggles up and putting on a little party mask. Lame.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by doom master


  • Sept. 27, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by alexander

    like a monkey

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I think the Cat Woman

    by ieatgarbage

    Needs a Dick. That's hot. Make it happen!

  • You are a vey well spoken man. You have the territory here perfectly pegged. Nothing matters but the image on the screen. Pre-release photos are a marketing tool, a way to entice fans to see the film. Before 2001 was released Life magazine did a spread with photos from the film. I was entranced and I wanted to see the film immediately. I saw it twice, in Cinerama, when I was 13. My father had to drive my brother an I to Philly to see it. Saw it a second time, when I got my best friend to go along, and his father drove. Changed my life. If this happened today, yed, indeed, the photos would have been trashed as revealing the work of a shitty amateur director who knows nothing about blah blah blah, the same old shit that is repeated daily here at AICN nowadays. Useless drivel written by people who think their meaningless opinions can change the course of a film's production, or some other even worse motivation. Seems like 25 years of the internet, with it's anonymity for film fans, has produced really ugly Americans, people whose purpose in life seems to be deflating everything in the media or pop culture. Then getting ugly with other fans who do not share the same sentiment, in a bizarre game of "no, I'M the smartest person oin the room kind of bullshit one-ups-manship." Ahh, the internet - one step forward for info gathering, 100 giant steps backward for the lowest common denominator opinion making, over things such as set photos. This stuff should be fun to look at - but it seems to provide fodder for the dumbest fucking assholes on the planet to prove themselves, over and over, to be the dumbest fucking assholes on the planet. And like conservatives who vote against their best interests at the polls, because they think their hard work will turn them into millionaires --dumbass talkbackers, for example, think that their comments about high heels will have the director calling for reshoots to change Catwoman's footwear to something more acceptable to AICN readers, like penny loafers. So, thanks Peter, I have found another kindred spirit here. Keep holding the mirror up - seems as if some of the ugliest talkbackers don't like what they see. Kudos to you for being a real film fan, and not just one more side effect poseur who thinks their sad inanity is smarter than you cleverness.

  • You'd be on to something if Nolan hadn't backed himself into a corner with the "realism" his world, heels dont jive

  • Sure, all the rampant plot holes made it a fucking home run... -_-

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Arguing for arguing's sake, or what, huh?

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Sexy Catwoman you say? i prefer this kitten than Hathaway:

    by KilliK

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    And I know it was probably a typo, but did you mean to say "in his world, heels don't JIBE?" Otherwise, what you wrote doesn't make sense. Not picking on you, just trying to be helpful.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    That was some funky russkie superhero stuff man!

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    @mcgoocain greek not russkie

    by KilliK

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Thanks, I was wondering what language-- pretty surreal stuff!

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    mcgoocain just sucked Peter David's dick

    by Bobo_Vision

    "So, thanks Peter, I have found another kindred spirit here." <p> Keep it in the closet, homeboy.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Yeah, fuckhead, I'm gay for trying to make a friend? God you are such a douchboy cliche. Maybe you have intelligent things to offer, I don't really know, haven't read much of your stuff.. But for taking such a cheap shot, I don't give a fuck whether you are the resident genius here or not. You are just another disposable asshole.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    PAD, mea culpa

    by Mike J

    Perhaps it was another British con I met you. Or it may indeed be that I have you confused with another writer I me at a con way back when. A lot of vodka has passed under the bridge since my con-going days so apologies for the confusion. Mind you, I still think you come across as a bit of an ass, especially when you talk in absolutes. You've expressed your view cogently and ad nauseum and on your own account you are just a fan like any one of the rest of us, so your opinion is no more or no less valid than the rest of us. Move on, fella. And at the risk of indulging you in further pedantry, those first shots from the "Blue Harvest" shoot in Yuma - what's your intel on those being leaked from an official source? 'Cos as I recall the very first shots of Jabba's sandbarge actualy came from a news chopper.

  • Jesus fucking christ, people get that gift to comic book movies called THE DARK KNIGHT, and bitch about it? Fucking ingrates, that's what! Maybe you would prefer movies like fucking Catwoman, hem?

  • Of all the girls to piss about her sensuality, Anne Hataway? Her? She's even getting better with age, for fuck's sakes!

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    asimovlives - hey!

    by mcgoocain

    So, here's a philosophical question for you---- Does AICN attract an inordinate amount of stupid people, or does AICN make otherwise rational people act stupidly? Seen any noteworthy movies or TV lately?


  • bank robbery - How did Joker plan in the beginning heist for the kids’ schoolbuses to have such a perfectly timed gap in between them for him to drive his own schoolbus into during his escape? They just drove behind each other in congested traffic with a huge enough gap between them for another school bus to just jump into? And Joker somehow planned for this? joker raids wayne party - joker is harassing guests, batman shows up without joker or his henchman seeing him, even though batman clearly says "then you're gonna love me" within speaking distance of the joker, not even a reaction from party guests when batman entered the room, which would've alerted henchman, assuming they didn't see him first Batman leaves a party of billionaires upstairs alone with the Joker to save Rachel Dawes. The Joker was up there searching for Harvey Dent. We never cut back upstairs to find out what happened after he saves Rachel. Did the Joker just give up and leave? Did Batman even try to go up and catch him? We never find out because it just jumps to the next scene. The movie is loaded with tons of inexplicable scene jumps like this joker is captured - If Gordon had the foresight to fake his own death to capture the Joker, why does the Joker still have the upper hand in jail? and how did he perfectly time his capture with the capture of the fat guy with the cell phone in his stomach knowing exactly when he would pass out??? The Joker acts all along like he doesn’t want to be captured, he wants to capture the Batman, and he doesn’t know Gordon is alive, he doesn’t even know Dent isn’t the Batman until the chase ensues. Yet he also has this intricate “back-up” plan to capture Dent and Lau and bust himself out of jail in case he fails? The Joker in TDK resembled more “Q” from “Star Trek: The Next Generation” with his seemingly unlimited omniscience than the actual Joker from the comic books The Joker, who has killed dozens and terrorized Gotham, fought the Batman hand-to-hand to a standstill and pretty much revealed himself to be the A-number one badass on the planet, is left in an interrogation room (not a cell, mind you)...unshackled...alone... with a single, middle aged cop in a suit. Now, the holding cell that has the Joker's crony with the cell phone-bomb inside him appears to have an entire precinct full of cops in it. But the Joker? One old dude. Who either has a key, or just has the door unlocked, because the Joker quickly takes him hostage and walks into the other room. Dent/face burn - the gasoline is clearly covering much of his face, yet when he's burned, one whole side is left completely untouched When Harvey Dent goes on his rampage, he is apparently wearing the suit he was wearing during the explosion. This should not be the case, because the suit would have been cut off his body when he was admitted to medical care, rendering it unwearable. Joker/Batman interrogation - During the interrogation scene the Joker refers to Rachel as Harvey's "Bride-to-be" however Rachel hadn't yet accepted Harvey's proposal, and in any case there's no way for the Joker to have even known that Harvey had proposed since they did it in private. Joker is locked up - the cops lock the Joker up without ever bothering to remove his makeup and send a picture of his unmade-up face to every federal and local law enforcement bureau in an effort to uncover his identity two boats scene - boat full of people who know they're going to die unless they push the one pushes the button or even tries to rush and grab the detonator out of sheer basic human survival kidnapping scene - Luscious Fox has no problem helping Wayne kidnapping and extraditing foreign national but can't seem to handle Batman having sonar power at the end? last act - Bruce Wayne is shown as unable to do anything technical without Lucius Fox’s assistance, yet at the end he miraculously can suddenly singlehandedly use and upgrade the sonar trick Lucius Fox showed him earlier and create a program to somehow make every cell phone in Gotham City broadcast a video signal that he can watch through some space-age lenses that cover his eyes in the Batsuit and are fed through a supercomputer in his secret lair. (So the Joker having chalk white skin and having over-the-top fun fight scenes are too ludricous for Nolan’s “realistic” vision, but that crazy tech wasn’t?) Lau - (excerpt taken from imdb forum) Okay, Harvey Dent is supposed to be some hotshot District Attorney right? And his fiancee is a rising star Assistant DA in his office? And they spend all their time together? Well let’s look at their stellar legal work in action: they were trying to use Lau as a means to incriminate all the crime heads in Chicago (I mean Gotham). Apparently, they got Batman to go all the way to China, risk his life, illegally kidnap a Chinese citizen who had not been convicted or even indicted on any US-based crime, and bring him back for questioning and they didnt have an actual plan. They had NO IDEA what to nail him on, they just knew that he was the money-man for the mob. So, when he finally admits to being the banker for numerous criminal organizations, Harvey has a eureka moment with Rachel and blurts we can get them on RICO!?, presuming of course they can prove just one of the organizations pooling their money with Lau had committed crimes. A bit of education: RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) is a US federal law. That means HAD that been the case that Harvey chose to pursue that path, he would have to hand over the entire case to a FEDERAL court, taking it completely out of his hands to prosecute – his jurisdiction was at a city level for Chicago (I mean Gotham). He was not a federal prosecutor. If he was, he would be referred to in the movie as a United States Attorney. If some want to argue semantics that he was a federal attorney and merely referred to as a District Attorney, that argument will fail because such positions are appointed by the President of the United States. They are not elected to that position, as is the case with Harvey Dent (its pretty clear in both the viral marketing and election context of the movie). That was just one flaw with that segment; another flaw is the fact that Lau’s lawyer just stood there doing nothing while Harvey and Rachel were using unjust tactics to pressure him to talk, making implications they would place his life in danger based on how much he cooperates. Because, without those tactics, they didn?t seem to even have a clue of what to get Lau to admit to which might implicate the criminals they were after. So basically these legal eagles didn’t think of the RICO statute, simply the most obvious and most-used statute used against the mob, until a EUREKA! moment occurred during an interrogation.

  • but since it's Nolan, it gets a pass???

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams, and what imaginary bçloody fucking plot holes do exists in that movie?

    by riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    Batman showing up in places of danger he should know nothing about......The first time this happened was when Harvey kidnapped jokers thug after the attempted assasination of the mayor. Harvey takes him to an abandoned wharehouse to interogate while batman interogates Maroni by throwing him off the roof. Then suddenly Batman shows up to stop harvey's interogation. How the hell did he know where harvey was because he sure didn't tell anyone even rachel. It happens again at the end of the film one minute batman has joker hanging upside down, then he shows up at the ware house were Rachel was killed, not even knowing Gordon was there or that Two face would be there. Come up with good explanations for those please. Oh...if it was not shown in the film, you cannot use it as an explanation....where in the film does it explain these things? Keep in mind I loved the hell out of TDK....but it is not perfect.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    A true movie fan......

    by riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    Can unconditionally love a movie, but still recognize that it has flaws. TDK is a great, entertaining movie. But it's not perfect. It can be perfect to you personally, and that's fine. But don't say it is a perfect movie, cause it's not. But a movie does not have to be perfect in order for it to be perfect for ourselves as individuals. The flaws in TDK are not imaginary, they are real. Does that make the movie any less entertaining? Of course not. But don't sit there and tell me they don't exist, cause if you do your nothing but a blind fanboy.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    riggs, thank you

    by Billy_D_Williams

    I do not hate TDK, it's a decent film, but that movie is so ridiculously overrated it brings tears to my eyes...the plot holes DO exist, and i am not going to ignore them because of some imaginary boner im supposed to have for Nolan.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    So, how does it feel to be the lamest asshole here? I guess you have an inferiorty to complex to 7-year-old - girls. You do know your mother never wanted you, right? Just think about it.

  • Who the fuck are YOU to request ME to answer your questions at this point? You were busted as a liar in a series of sequential quotes! You dodged the direct questions. You just respond with more questions. Do you think your wriggling makes people forget everything that came before and we just stupidly keep answering your questions? Holy shit - you really DO think like that. You're down to typo-and-hyphen catching at this point...I couldn't ask for more. You're done. I know, I'm not bothering to elaborate and reign you in here as you distract and meander as, again, you're stuck for answers. That's getting half-assed...THAT'S a waste of time. Yeah, I know, people never tire of Peter 'wrecking ball' David's untouchable, endless DISTRACTIONS and MEANDERINGS and QUESTIONS WITH NO ANSWERS. Do enjoy the ocean breeze on your private floating demolition barge - you earned it!

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    no one cares, dude.... obsessed with being right? My, that never happens here.... over what - a fucking photo? Do anything positive today?

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by Mike J

    Buddy, don't bother wasting your time with Peter David. He's one of those people who are convinced his opinion is more valid than yours or mine because he's a published author and we're not. Of course, when it comes down to it his farts smell just as bad as ours do, but unlike folks like you and I, his head is so far up his own rectum, he can't actually smell them. Still, don't be too hard on the guy... after all, Your average PAD is flushed down the toilet, right?

  • From your and banned_dirty_ape's comments, I've obviously reached that point and it's time to take the high road. Your both correct and, as I predicted, PAD's trying to drag me down to his level of thinking. I thank you both for the intervention!!

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    You can't blame Peter David walking around like his farts don't stink

    by Bobo_Vision

    He has talkbackers like mcgoocain giving him non-stop blowjobs!

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    You sure are obsessed with blowjobs, idiot.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    mcgoocain is covered with Peter David's goo!

    by Bobo_Vision

    It's dribbling down his chin!

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Re: Billy_D

    by SK229

    When I think of WHY TDK is a great movie, despite these things, I think of what Woody Allen said about Dr. Strangelove (which I think he was 100% off the mark about to begin with, the movie is amazing in almost every way save a few hamfisted jokes, I actually don't even understand where he's coming from) - "Everything wonderful about that movie... is because of the way it was directed. Otherwise- I thought there were flaws in the writing of the movie and flaws in some of the performances of the movie. But the directing of the movie- was so bravura and so superb, that it was just a knockout." I actually think Nolan mostly gets by on bravura filmmaking. The way he moves his camera, his use of color, music, etc... the fact that he and Pfister don't grade digitally (call me crazy, I think there's always a difference, even if it's on a subconscious level)... I think he succeeds where most directors fail today, in that everyone is so meek (especially among indie film) in their style and so unwilling to kick the audience in the fucking nuts... or what they think of as a kick to the nuts is just a wall of noise and CGI bullshit. Look, I don't even like Tarantino, but I'll give the guy tremendous credit for having BALLS and vision... same thing with P.T. Anderson. I think in a few movies (not TDK), enough ideas were present to make a more satisfying experience... Memento or The Prestige, for instance, but as much as I loved Inception, I don't think he's done his masterpiece/perfect film yet. I think that sort of thing only comes with age and depends largely on when you started as a filmmaker. I'll call it and say Nolan will do his around age 45-50.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST



    q: "TDK plot holes/inconsistencies (by the way, its a comic book movie done as a realistic crime drama, Nolan fucked himself)" bank robbery - You serious? You're nitpicking the lack of traffic congestion? You open this critique stating that it's a "realistic crime drama" and yet, it really isn't. It's Nolan's Batman universe, it is NOT Heat. Theres a fucking dude running around in a bat uniform defying physics and all realms of possibility in almost every action scene. It's NOT FUCKING REAL. ITS A COMIC BOOK MOVIE. The bus sneaking into traffic was a stylistic choice, it's meant to look cool and put a smile on your face, it builds upon the Joker's character as a sly, cunning foe who can mastermind sneaky criminal heists. joker raids wayne party - This is one of the best scenes of the film and all your complaints are nit-picks. The events of movies take place over days, months, years. The film is 2 1/2 hours, you don't need it spelled out for you what happened in the party with the Joker. Dent escaped, obviously. joker is captured - yes this sequence is strange, who cares? I don't care, I'm having too much fun enjoying this fuckin great movie! Dent/face burn - Huh? One half of his face is cleary submerged in the gasoline on the ground while the other side of his face is pointed skyward. Joker/Batman interrogation - What? why even bring this up, it's so inconsequential? Maybe the Joker didn't know he proposed but just said it because it was a possibility? Joker is locked up - They didn't remove his make-up for the same reason Raimi did remove Spiderman's mask. This is a MOVIE, it follow the rules of FILMMAKING, it's not REALITY two boats scene - I wouldn't push the button. You would? You could at any moment be going into the afterlife, and the last act on this planet is going to be murdering hundreds of people? kidnapping scene - the sonar scenario was an allegory to the aftermath of 9/11 and the Patriot Act. last act - This blows your "its a realistic drama" right out of the water, because Nolan clearly doesn't mind going way outside the boundaries of reality.

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 9:50 p.m. CST calling.

    by Peter David

    Obsession with dicks, asses, sucking of same, etc., etc. Plus more baseless declarations of lying from people who are afraid to sign their names to their opinions. Yeah. That wounds me. Do I feel superior to some people here? Do I think my opinions are more valid than some? Well...kinda, yeah. I'll cop to that. But in my defense: when you come across like a total git, you make it pretty easy to feel superior to you. I mean, really, when in your deportment, your language choice, your conduct, your tunnel short, when everything about you screams inferiority, how can anyone who has an IQ higher than double digits NOT feel superior? None of which changes the indisputable fact that tons of people bitched about Heath Ledger as the Joker from the day he was cast, through to the spy pictures, and then, lo and behold, they actually saw the film, loved it, and the guy wound up winning an Oscar for it. And now they're at it again because they've yet to learn that only the final product really matters. And you can shuck, double dutch, jive, accuse, fulminate, and speak with forked tongue all you want, but it won't change the facts. Granted, some fans tend to recoil from facts in a manner evocative of Dracula flinching from Van Helsing with the cross..but in the words of Bill Murray, that's the facts, Jack. PAD

  • Sept. 27, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Billy d

    by Peter David

    All films have flaws. All of them. "Casablanca" had plot holes, and that was the greatest movie of all time. It's an inevitable result of the fact that in movies, stories are told in a sort of visual shorthand. I've written novelizations of over a dozen movies, and every single one had plot holes that I had to figure out ways to explain. Coincidence is the coin of the realm when it comes to movie making. For instance--and this is just one of dozens--characters routinely make surprise entrances, and the only way it's a surprise is that they were standing off camera and magically no one noticed them. It's just part of the visual shorthand. The order of the day is: keep the story moving and keep the audience engaged. Is it possible to have plot holes that just destroy your enjoyment of the film? Hell yeah. When I saw "Alien" there were several points where I actually said, "Aw, come ON" during some truly egregious plot holes. Yet lots of people loved that film. Strangely, I feel no need to go to people who really loved it and list for them everything that's wrong with it. Your mileage may vary. PAD

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 5:10 a.m. CST

    billy_d_williams, i'd love to see your opinion on Abrams Trek.

    by AsimovLives

    If you can be so flippant to piss on TDK for the smallest microscopic of things, you must positively absolutly pissed off with Abrams Trek. And you must be wishing death on Michael Bay for all the movies he made.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 5:17 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'd say that people can go stupid on AICN. Even people who, in any other circunstances, would be level headed and smart. One of my major critcisms at AICN is their support and enthusiasm for dumb down movies, for the sake of some ill conceived notion of "the fun". It has always been my major gripe about this site. I think that, people spend so much time supporting r excusing dumb stupid movies that eventually their rational side of their minds snap, and they try to overcome by going extremely critical on good movies which just, for whatever reason, makes them react against them. And then they go to those good movies with such a strong hyper-critical attitude, which was completly absent when they enjoyed a dumb ass movie. The perfect example of this is when the same people can overlook so easily to the point of ignoring the blatant flaws and idioticies in Abrams Trek but makes big critical cases of the smallest of things in TDK or Inception. You can't get a better most perfect example then that.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 5:22 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    It's debatable if i have seen anything new worthy on TV. I saw two new shows which have begun aired in here, CAMELOT and that new Spy show starring the lovely Piper Perabo. For the Perabo show, it doesn't look like it will caugh my interest. As for Camelot, i have only seen two episodes, and they were not even the first two, but the 3rd and 4th. I'm mixed about it. The episodes are well directed (i noticed names of directors on such shows as Rome, Carnivale and Dexter), and there is quite some cool good actors in it. But... there's ssomething about the show that is making me uneasy, that's preventing me from embacing it. Take, for instance, GAME OF THRONES. I ws hooked on the show just form the very first 5 minutes of the first episode of the show, and that was even before the opening credits. You know what i mean?

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 5:31 a.m. CST

    billy_d_williams, don't mistake the Nolan fans for the JJ Abrams fans.

    by AsimovLives

    It's the Abrams fans that give blantant terribly stupid bullshit in his movies a pass because he's JJ Abrams, God's own gift to Earth. And all just because he co-produced (and jumped ship on season 2 while already creating the crap that eventually bogged down the show) Lost, a show that's far dumbed and bullshitting then many give it credit for.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Typical AICN fanboy:

    by AsimovLives

    "TDK is so full of plot holes, i'm so fucking smart, hurrah to me! But Abrams TRek is so "teh funz", fuck the plot holes, just be dumb and enjoy and don't think". This type of bullshit upsets me to no end! Fanboys pissing on movies they should be thankful they even exist, while falling for bullshit movies even amoebas know are shit.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 6 a.m. CST

    a lot of the "plot holes" peolpe complain about in Star Trek


    aren't actually plot holes and have been explained by the writers.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Asimov you act like you're in the majority


    but the majority of people enjoyed Star Trek and Transformers 3. We don't have to defend them, or ask for your permission to like these light hearted films. Are Nolan's films superior? Of course they are.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Typical AICN fanboy:

    by alexander

    TDK is so full of plot holes, i'm so fucking smart, hurrah to me!

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 6:57 a.m. CST

    fucking blackberry... we'll have drinks later...

    by alexander

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 7:40 a.m. CST

    to sum it up -AICN talkbacks create a very special breed

    by mcgoocain

    Why has this become acceptable, normal behavior here? Internet inbreeding must be the answer. Here we go: Going all "wow - look at that set photo - based on this set photo, I KNOW this movie is going to be horrible." And I will be really angry if someone disagrees with me, and I will nitpick the director of this film's other efforts to prove that the upcoming film I just saw a photo of from the set will be horrible, because all of his films are horrible, in some ways, even though I mostly liked his other films, they aren't perfect. And I really need to be right on this subject, so right that I will insult with profanity anyone who disagrees with me. And if you agree with someone else who doesn't agree with me, and you let that other person know you respect their opinion, and you want to be friendly with that other person, and perhaps communicate with that other person in a friendly, intelligent manner, then you are gay. Uh huh.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    But asimovlives isn't acting like he is in the majority, he is just expressing his views of JJ Abrams and his Star Trek, knowing he is not in the majority. He knows I liked Abrams' Star Trek, and we can still coummunicate like human beings, because our worlds do not begin or end with certain films we like or dislike. In ortger words, we don't becfome so invested in certain films as to then feel compelled to utter such nonsense as "George Lucas raped my childhood," or some other equally ridiculous thought pattern. Movies should enhance or lives, add to them when they are well done, not BE our lives to the point where anger bercoemes an overriding emotion. What he is pointing out is the rampant hypocrisy in angered AICN expression, and the nitpicking of nitpicking of nitpicking.. So I guess that makes me gay, because I agree with asimovlives and PAD. AICN is fun to visit - even though I presume this will always be a part of it, thanks to unhinged, anonymous human emotion at it's worst.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 8:03 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Thanks Asi, as always, I respect your opinions, whetther I agree with them or not.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Plot holes in the Abrams Trek film

    by Peter David

    A couple years ago at Dragon*Con, at the Saturday night banquet. I presented an award for achievement, called the Julie Award (named after Julius Schwartz) to Leonard Nimoy. Seated at the front table as I spoke from the stage were Nimoy, William Shatner, and Kate Mulgrew. I did a tongue-in-cheek overview of Nimoy's career (praising his work as a sympathetic alien in "Zombies of the Stratosphere"). And at one point, in talking about Spock, I said, "Spock is such a beloved character that when he showed up in the ice cave in the J.J. Abrams movie, the audience I saw it with literally stood up and cheered, even though it made no...narrative...sense...whatsoever." And the audience roared, and Nimoy was laughing so hard he almost fell over, and what I found most interesting was that Shatner was pointing at Nimoy with an air of triumph and I could hear him saying, "You see! I told you! I TOLD you it made no sense!" But Nimoy was in the film while Shatner wasn't, and I think Shatner was kind of cheesed about that. I think that's it in microcosm. If you're invested in a film--any film--in a positive manner, you either don't notice or don't care about the inevitable flaws. If you go in jaded or looking for reasons to hate it, you'll find them easily enough. If you go in neutral, then it comes down to the skill of the storytellers. PAD

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    I agree with you, up to a point. I

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST

    The point of his erect penis...

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Oops, hit wrong button. I agree with you, up to a point, on the whole suspension of disbelief thing when viewing a film. While what you say may be true, there have been many films I went into a film with high expectations. For example, I wanted to like "Star Trek", and I did. I wanted to like "Knowing", but I didn't, even though I have fondness for the director's other works. I wondered why Ebert gave it a 4-star review, and wondered, didn't he notice all of the story flaws? And I have seen many films with low expectations, noticed what other people thought were flaws, and enjoyed the film, despite those flaws. One man's poison is another man's holy grail. No matter how much we want to be consistent with taste and appreciation, human emotions make us all fickle folk. I watch many films with a friend of over 40 years, Alexei Panshin. Among other works, he is the Nebula award winning author of "Rite of Passage", and the Hugo award winning author, along with his wife Cory, of "World Beyond the Hill." As his appreciation of film stems largely, but not wholly, from his appreciation or lack thereof for a film's story, we often have lively, sometimes contentious discussions of a film's worth. We can open each other's eyes a little wider to a films pluses and minuses. The last film we saw that he was intrigued by was "Valhalla Rising." He is still trying to make up his mind if the film was pretentious bull, a work of visionary genius, or both. Do you know of Alexei, or his works? Just curious.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST

    oh bobo_vision

    by mcgoocain

    Must you always be so boboish?

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Majority? I don't worry about in the majority in here, i worry about being right and to appreciate what's realyl good and piss on what's shit. If the majority in here loved a stupid retard movie, it's not my problem. I couldn't give a fuck about the majority.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Once again, I think Asimov has missed the point

    by D.Vader

  • With regards to TDK and Star Trek, though we haven't heard Billy D's opinion on that one yet.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 10:20 a.m. CST

    peter david

    by AsimovLives

    Thanks for sharing that very cool story. You do make a good point that if one goes jaded to a movie, one's psychological state could help in how one's appreciate it. But we aren't that simplistic a creature. How often you went to a movie expectingto love it and came out detesting it, or vice-versa? How often a movie made you change your mind about it during the show? Or afterwards? Why i detest Abrams Trek? Because of the movie itself. The movie is the reason why i detest it. Why i love TDK? Because of the movie itself. And this works for every movie. Sometimes a filmmaker suprises us, for the better or worst. But it's getting easier to predict if a movie will be good or bad, because specialyl those made in Holywood, they are getting so uniform. But there's still suprises, thankfully. The problem with filmmakers like Michael Bay or Zack Snyder is that each movie they make it just proves again and again why they are so shit. While good filmamkers like Nolan or Duncan Jones have as yet only made good movies. It's only natural then that one espect shit form Bay or Snyder or good from Nolan or Jones from previous experience, correct?

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "Valhalla Rising." He is still trying to make up his mind if the film was pretentious bull, a work of visionary genius, or both" I can answer that easily in an heartbeat: it's the work of a visionary filmmaker. Absolutly. I don't udnerstand this fear that so many of you guys in USa have of pretentiousness, or whatever you think it's pretentious. Imahgine if David Lynch feared being called pretentuous, then we would npot had his wonderful movies. The loss to cinema would be unmesurable. There's nothing pretentious about a movie like Valhalla Rising. That is just a movie made with great courage by somebody who is not affraid to go a bit unconventional. There is absolutly nothing wrong with that. If anything, the problem is that ther's too few of those, filmmakers and movies. To shake things up, to rock the staus quo, to bring some fresh air to the marasm of today's western cinema. You should tell your friend to throw caution to the wind and just embrace the weird strange marvelous wonderful movie that is Valhalla Rising, and damn his caution. His fea rof the move being pretentious is just him being overly cuatious, as if he would mocke din school by the school bullies if he liked the movie, as if he was wearing the wrong type of trousers. Fuck it, just embrace the movie. That's what his mind is actually wanting him to do, anyway, he's just erring on the side of over-caution. I don't understand why in so many americans there is his fear of pretentiousness, to the point some in here even see that ins such movies as THE DARK KNIGHT. As if idioticy and narrative cowardice is the normal thing to expect and all that ambition soe something more is the freak. It's the other way around, dumbness in movies should be the freak, not the norm. TDK is not pretentious, it's ambitious. In fac,t it's a testement on how shit things are today that a movei like TDK should be called ambitious, when in fact by all human standards it should be the norm. Americans, and the AICN people, in particular, are so jadded about pretentiousness they see it everywhere in any movie that tries to be a bit smart, like seeing reds under the beds. This paranoia is unsettling. Fortunatly, soemtimes a truly smart and ambitious movie mannages to get popular and prove that, sometime,s people do have a desire to have something that raises above the usual idiotic marasm. You know what i call movies like VALHALLA RISING? Antidotes. The way i see it, there shoud be a studio in Holywood that should be for movies what HBO is for TV. For a while i though that DreamsWorks was to be that, but i was mistaken.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Asi, I don't think you can say you went into Trek neutral

    by D.Vader

    Let's at least be honest about that.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    If you think i again missed the point is because you didn't got the point to begin with.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST

    And what was the point, Asi?

    by D.Vader

    Your circular logic to avoid addressing the issue won't work here!

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    I could be wrong, but I believe Asi is a Star Trek fan. And he was let down by what he saw. Like Star Wars fans who like the first 3, but were let down by the prequels. He probably went in with high expectations, but again I am only guessing based on other comments of his, but I could be wrong.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    I don't think Asi went in with high expectations, McGoo

    by D.Vader

    I'm pretty sure he was against "Nu-Trek", as he called it, from the start.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    I clearly recognize "Valhalla Rising" as the work of a visionary genius, and I agree with your assessment . My friend Alexei does not find many films he can embrace, and we learn from each other with our critical/praise exchanges. He isn't being American-style cautious, he is just being Alexei. You would have to see a movie with him to understand. Wathcing a film with him is often frustrating, but I value his input, because it often strenghens my contrary viewpoint. Yin-yang more often than not He likes John Ford westerns, and westerns as a genre, because he saw them when he was a kid, and thanks to exposure by me, he embraces Kurosawa and Miyazaki. But yes, I agree, I would rather be challenged by seeing a daring failure more than one more piece of play-it-safe Hollywood assembly line by the numbers product. Because that is the only way to expand one's tastes when it comes to film.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    I hope Asi fills in the blanks for us on his expectations.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST

    I'm curious McGoo

    by D.Vader

    What his reaction to Super 8 was.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Good question. I hope he lets us know. A good friend of mine recommended it to me, and I do want to see it. I see almost all films now on DVD free from my local library, so waiting.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Star Trek 2009 is not a good movie

    by Billy_D_Williams

    Abrahms is a TV director who hasn't the talent for cinema. plus the plot holes are numerous and sink the film

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Casablanca has plot holes???

    by Billy_D_Williams

    please list them, otherwise you're just talking shit. I know there is a difference between plot holes and cinematic convenience, but what we got in TDK were DEFINITE problems. plot holes are usually not a problem if the filmmaker is clever enough to transmogrify them with storytelling. For instance, let's say a character is assumed dead in the 3rd act, but at the last moment shows up to blow away the bad guy and save his friend. This is not a plot hole because we didn't see the person die, it was merely assumed because of the way the scene was filmed...there is a reasonable chance for this to happen given the nature of the way the scene is filmed and the deus ex machina nature of 3rd acts in movies. But the school bus thing in TDK does not fall into this category, first of all because the Joker has NOT BEEN SET UP AS A CHARACTER YET, no background, nothing is known about him other than he's a guy robbing a bank who betrays his friends...and magically times his escape with the perfectly sized hole in a row of school buses. Now this would not be considered a plot hole if later we find out the Joker is someone setting all this stuff up in advance and not just getting lucky...but this is never established. The joker simply DOES THINGS THAT MAGICALLY WORK OUT SOMEHOW, without ever being shown planning anything or even being a guy who's established as lucky (for instance a scene showing him being missed by a falling anvil and walking through several lanes of traffic without being hit, or something...that would be some kind of cinematic clue that he's born lucky). I'll give you another example...the movie Se7en. John Doe has alot of things work out in his favor in this movie. Like having the fed ex guy at the end be there at exactly 7:00...but it's already been established that he wanted to be taken there by Mills and Somerset at exactly 6:00 ("he will take detective Mills and Somerset to these bodies and only at 6:00 today), because he knew that would be enough time for the fed ex guy to get there, not to mention the line of dialogue "this guy paid me 500 bucks to bring it out here man, he said he wanted it here at exactly 7:00" without that line of dialogue and without the the preceding scene about the 6:00 thing, this would be considered a HUGE plot hole...this is essential what TDK is, a movie full of these unexplained inconsistencies.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Billy D, if you know the difference...

    by D.Vader

    Then you'd know that a LOT of what you listed as plot holes in TDK were in fact "cinematic conveniences".

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST


    by Billy_D_Williams

    a GOOD movie like Se7en covers its ass with these simple little pieces of dialogue that cover up these convenient things that John Doe brings about. TDK doesn't even bother to offer some simple pieces of some guy who's dealt with the Joker before saying "you guys don't know who you're dealing with man, he's got a plan for a plan with a backup plan on top of a backup plan!" or something similar to that.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I haven't read the whole TB yet...but...

    by conspiracy

    How did we get from discussing the magnificence of Anne Hathaway's made for White Slavery body to the watchable mediocrity that is Neu-Trek? Seems a pretty big segue to me...

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Some of them don't need to be properly explained or set up, Billy

    by D.Vader

    That's why its a "cinematic convenience". For instance, your bus example. When I first saw TDK, I too thought "well that's a convenient hole for the bus to drive into. Maybe the last bus was stopped by a light and had to catch up or something." But, its a cinematic convenience. And we've seen one of the Joker's henchmen drive one school bus into the bank. Its not outside the realm of reason to think the Joker hired another person to take-over as bus driver and create a large enough gap for that bus sticking out of the bank ahead to pull into traffic. What's more troubling is the fact that no one nearby calls the police or singles out the bus that pulls into traffic. But again, cinematic convenience. Same thing applies to your Joker at the party "plot hole". Not a plot hole. Nor an inconsistency. In fact, its even explained in the movie. Let's go through step by step: - Joker comes to fundraiser looking for Dent. - Dent isn't there, and he *should* be. - Joker threatens Dent's gf. - Batman shows up. - Joker drops Dent's gf out window. - Batman leaps to save Dent's gf. What do we hear from the Joker later in the movie? A line about how he thought Batman WAS Dent the way he threw himself out the window after the girl. Hence, The Joker believes Batman is Harvey Dent bc A) Dent's not at the party, B) Batman appears at the party, and C) Batman saves Dent's gf. With the man he was looking for out the window and on the ground, there is no reason for Joker to stay at the party searching for Dent or torturing more guests. And the knowledge that Dent is Batman means he has to regroup and think up a new plan. Batman being Dent changes everything he knew initially about both. So chances are, he just left. The more troubling aspect of that scene is that Batman left a party full of innocents with a madman in the center. But again, cinematic convenience. We look past it and move on. Those are just two examples, Billy D.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Easy, Conspiracy

    by D.Vader

    Asi is involved. BOOM! =D

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    by Billy_D_Williams

    For instance, your bus example. When I first saw TDK, I too thought "well that's a convenient hole for the bus to drive into. Maybe the last bus was stopped by a light and had to catch up or something.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    I had a whole post replying to your points vader, but something screwed it up

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    so ill do it bit by bit

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST

    more unexplained inconsistencies from a messy movie

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    So, tou had a lot of problems with the film. So obsessive. So the movie bothered you. So what? You seem to be going to a lot of trouble to prove something to yourself.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Hey Billy D, here's how to do quotes in the body of a post

    by D.Vader

    You have to put text before the "" marks. If you just start a line like this- "copied and posted quote here"- but without my "If you just start a line..." before it- stupid AICN will erase the rest of your text. Fucking stupid.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    I'll tell you why he didn't "skip the buses all together"

    by D.Vader

    Simple explanation: So that no one could pin point which bus just came out of a bank, if anyone noticed at all.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Your Se7en example is not as good as you think it is

    by D.Vader

    No one would be screaming "PLOT HOLE!" if either line of dialogue- Doe saying let's be there at 6 or the FedEx guy saying I had to be there at 7- was cut. I think you're overreacting quite a bit. Again, cinematic convenience. Most audiences are smart enough to accept things. Once the FedEx guy says "I was told to be here at 7," most everyone will make the connection that it was Doe who set it up.

  • So why is that so hard for you to believe that he planned for there to be a gap between the buses? The Joker is meant to be a larger than life character. He's an agent of chaos. He's supposed to be unpredictable. So there are a few cinematic conveniences associated with him- its NOT a plot hole. A true plot hole is the example from The Matrix where one needs someone to jack someone into The Matrix and also to get them out. So how does Cypher get in to meet with Agent Smith? That's a plot hole. Also a cinematic convenience bc it needs to happen to advance the plot, and its not a big enough issue to get hung up over, and the audience is willing to look past it or doesn't even think of it at all bc the rest of the movie is so good. But it doesn't mean the movie is terrible or inconsistent. Same goes for TDK. It has its problems, its conveniences (it is a movie after all), but they're not as bad as you are trying to make them out to be.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST


    by riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    I quote you..... So, you had a lot of problems with the film. So obsessive. So the movie bothered you. So what? You seem to be going to a lot of trouble to prove something to yourself. That statement can 100% apply to your good buddy, Asimov and his Star Trek nonsense....he has a lot of problems with the film, he is quite obsessive about it, the movie bothered him quite a bit, and he has gone to a lot of trouble to prove something to everyone who liked no avail. I have not seen many posts by Billy D outside of this thread regarding TDK, but even thee are, I absolutely guarantee you that Asimov has 100 times more posts about Trek Apply the same statement to your friend, or apply it to no one at all. I am just annoyed when people make statements like mcgoocain made but apply it when they feel it is needed, not to everyone, especially when the circumstances are similar, or in this case, practically identical. Don't be a hypocrite. Asimov...this is in no way meant to be a slam on you, but you cannot deny it is the truth.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    he knew Batman was Harvey Dent after the party or not?

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    I know that Asi is also obsessive about Star Trek. He also knows that I think this. Damn, I even admitted to him that I attacked him on the subject of Star Trek a while ago. I then began to read other things he wrote, about things other than Star Trek, and I felt a lot of similarities. I began addressing him, and we became friends. We don't talk about Star Trek, because I think it is OK for people to have their obsessions, as long as their obsessions are not the entirety of their being. Asi does his thing with Star Trek, and I just read that stuff. My best friend is a libertarian, I swing very hard to the left. We do not talk politics out of repect for our differences. WE have tried, but mutually agreed to stop, because of too often heated rhetoric without any real resolution. If billy demonstrates intelligent interests that are also similar to mine, I will address him about those interests. But sure, I could have addressed his complaints about TDK with my counterpoints, but d.vader is already quite capably writing rebuttals that are the same way I think. So, of course I can slip into hypocrisy, as all of us do at one time or another. I's just this fandom tendency towards personal opinion needing to be factual realities with an I'm right and you're wring attitude with no middle ground ever being carved out, that gets to be a tad tiresome after awhile. So, I said what I said to billy after it became obvious thast he was just needlessly repeating himself, with points that could easily be counterpointed. If I see something he writes that seems to be more level headed, I would approach him with praise, as I have done with many others here. Even though some tinier minds only see trying to strike up a friendship as being gay. What a weird petri dish we have going in here. In any case, thanks for the gentle input and criticism, you seem to be a gentleman here among scoundrels.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST


    by riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    I don't enjoy extreme hostility like some do in here, so your gentlemanly response is appreciated as well. Nice to see people can actually accept a little criticism.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Thanks. It would also be cool if more people could just admit that they were wrong. It would save a lot of wasted time and energy on everyone's part. Why can't people realize that admitting to a mistake is a sign of strength and not weakness, as well as the perfect opportunity to learn something, instead of just throwing up a new wall of resentment? A mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a slice of bacon around a scallop - life.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Is anyone else besides me tired of Batman yet?

    by lv_426

    I kinda feel like Nolan is wasting his time with more Batman. Hopefully Warner Bros. won't somehow trap him into doing Batman every few years after TDKR. Not to be a dickhead, but his is how I feel man. Also getting really tired of: most superheroes, vampires, and zombies.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    lv_426 - suggestion

    by mcgoocain

    Then dont watch Batman, superhero, vampire, or zombie movies. That was easy.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST

    You're proving mine and others' points, Billy D

    by D.Vader

    That you're just nitpicking. Your comment on the police pulling all the buses over and questioning everyone. Yes, that's how it would work in the real world, but certainly not the cinematic world, and maybe not in Gotham in which even the cops are corrupt. And I figured you'd probably mention that I didn't respond to your point about Joker going after Dent when he's surrounded by cops. I didn't respond to it because its nitpicking. Joker goes after Dent then because he knows *exactly* where Dent is, knows the route, and can control the situation better. But there you are, nitpicking about the villain choosing to go after one of the heroes when he's guarded by even more cops. There's no plot hole there. And hey, please do us all a favor and try to keep your thoughts contained to a few messages. We don't need another ThatGoblinKnightLex around here! =)

  • im done, TDK is full of holes that been well documented ad nauseam by me and others, and many many other have made the same remarks about these holes, this thread is making my computer slow down, so im done with it, you're not gonna prove me wrong and change my mind and vice versa, so adios.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Don't come with cuircular logic nonsense, dude, because you are not going to impress me with that nonsense. Don't treat me like the usual Michael Bay ignorant fanboy, please. I'm a bit more savvy then that. What i'm asking is, don't act like the Michael Sheen character in MIDNIGHT IN PARIS, m'kay? After i saw the idiotic MISISON IMPOSSIBLE 3, i sure didn't had much hopes for anything made by this Abrams fella. And after i watched the extras in CLOVERFIELD, i gained the impression this guy was soembody who abused the works of others and then passed it as his own shit. I found it obnoxious how much a media whore is he, so eager to be the center of attention on anything he even remotly has any though on. But the thing is, Abrams Trek far surpassed anything i could expect form it. Whatever bad i feared the movie might be, it was far, far, far worst. The movie surpassed it by miles! I was not impressed with Abrams at all, and i feared it would be another dumbed down nonsense like his first movie. What i wasn't expecting was to see a Michael Bay movie. That shit took me by suprise. And the next thing to took me completly by suprise was the slave-ass adolation from the geekry here toward such a stupid retard fucking awful undefensable piece of shit of a movie. The suprises never stoped! So no, i didn't wanted to hate the movie. I don't want to hate any movies. I dream of a world in which no movie is made that makes me feell to them such feellings like hate and disgust. If only that would be so.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I love cinema, but i sure hate some movies.

    by AsimovLives

  • - "im done," Really? Just because I said the Joker can control the situation better? Which is exemplified by the fact that he was able to A) control which direction the convoy went, B) take out all the support the convoy had, and C) even mentioned to take out Batman. So much for the "fortress" you just described. Give me a break. If anything, it is your rebuttals that are laughable. Your points started out being, for the most part, smart ones, but you have degenerated into pithy "oh yeah, well what about THIS tiny thing over here!" comments. Its not about proving you wrong so much as just engaging in friendly debate. Obviously you don't want any of that. Which just makes me think you realize you're wrong about some of your points. (in which, if I was to play your game, I'd say you never responded to MY point about your Se7en example not being very good)

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I don't think i could get tired of Nolan's Batman movies, if they were made like BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT. I could had a steady supply of those till the day i die. Quality never tires me.

  • I think it rather that you prefer to point out such foibles in an attempt to elevate your status in a failing debate - having stated production photos mean nothing. This also helps me grasp your earlier display of blatant PAD-puffing. Having to point this out won't elevate my status - it's another trip to the basement to elaborate and reign-in. Surely, you can get a sense of the futility to such senseless things (telling movie fans that production photos meaning nothing) and the resultant *high voltage zapping* after one straps such a lightning rod to their head.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Asi, you're still not addressing the "point"

    by D.Vader

    And yes you use circular logic. Sometimes when I come in and say something about you not getting it or not listening, you respond with that sort of "if I don't get it its because you never got it," nonsense which just proves that... you didn't get it. So yes, circular logic. As for your history with JJ Abrams and Trek, I think what you said above supports my assertion that you did not go into Trek neutral. You may not have wanted to hate it, because surely, you want to like a Star Trek movie, but you already hated the director and fully expected it to be a bad movie. There's the difference.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I understand why you migth have felt my coments about Abrams Trek were overwelming. But they were so becaus ei noticed how people just couldn't be bothered to even read anything i said about the movie, evne from the very begining when i was nice and polite and respectful. And for my pains, i got gangbanged by the Abrams fanboys, who decided the best tactic to deal with me was to overwelm me by numbers. thing is, their tactics failed. I keep using reasona nd argumetns for why the movie is trash. Until there was a time i stoped with the niceties and took my gloves off. My reason was, since so many geekoids decided to go blind dogmatic on the movie, and i was alone, i figured i would need at least 2 years of contant referencing of Abrams Trek's failures to counter ballance the mindless adoration the movie got from the geerkry in here. It's quite zen, actualy, it's calling bringing back the ballance. I think that ballance has been achieved. I didn't mind doing it, even if for that i gained infamy and notoriety. A price i paid gladly. I just wish that AICN and the geekry inher ehad just been more rational and smart about Abrams Trek right from the begining, instead of the third reich like adolation of got.

  • It's nitpicking small barely percetive details and overblowningthem out of proportion. The biggest plotm hole in TDK can't evne comapre to the smallest find in such trash like any Bay movie or Abrams Trek. Frankly, i find it all an exercise in desperation, like someone's atempt to prove... something, whatever that might be. If only people could put such effort in the service of bashing a bad movie! I always believed that was what we were in here for, to be the guardians agaisnt bullshit and the protectors and defenders of good films. I have been proved wrong in my inicial acessement so many times, however! I used to think we were really about something!

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Various things

    by Peter David

    Billy D--The plot holes in "Casablanca?" Well, for starters, I didn't buy the whole notion of the "letters of transit." Such things, to my knowledge, never existed, and the notion that such papers would prevent the bearer from being's preposterous. That's your McGuffin right there, the absurd notion that your film hangs upon. Furthermore, neutral territory or not, the Nazis wouldn't have hesitated to arrest Viktor on sight. (Certainly Viktor should not have assumed, nor taken for granted, that they would leave him alone. Instead he walks into a public cafe, under his own name, no less. He's not even smart enough to give a fake name.) These are, after all, the guys who marched into Paris and took that (without any announcement, it should be noted, unlike the sequence in the film which inaccurately depicts the Parisians of having warning that the Nazis were en route). Even Louie makes a comment about the Nazis being given the best table since "they'll just take it anyway." Then again, Louie also made the comment about Americans "blundering" into Berlin in 1918, which historically never happened. Plus there's a vast assortment of continuity goofs and such (Rick puts the papers in one side of his jacket and subsequently removes them from the other side) that are typical for any movie. None of which makes the movie any less great. And no, I have no intention of getting into a lengthy discussion with you of why you find these acceptable lapses, anymore than I'm interested in doing a point by point of why I find acceptable all the troubles you have with DKR acceptable. Mcgoocain--I am, of course, speaking in generalities. All I was saying was that, generally speaking, people see movies through prisms of their own expectations. Have I seen films that were far better than I thought they'd be? Sure. Have I seen movies that I expected to like and was disappointed in? Sure. On the other hand, who's to say that these feelings about the films didn't result from my preconceptions? If a movie exceeds lowered expectations, you can be pleasantly surprised. On the other hand, if you expect great things, it might not live up to. More often than not, you get back from a film what you put into it. And yes, I've heard of Panshin. I seem to recall reading a collection of his back in the 70s, but I don't remember much of it. PAD

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Perhaps I don't need to bleat like the other sheep being teased whenever a set photo pops up.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Wow, Asi, you sound like the explanation for why Fox News exists

    by D.Vader

    Fox News and its fans claim its okay to be completely one-sided and pretend they are "Fair and Balanced" because in their eyes they are just doing what's right by counter-balancing all the "liberal media" that exists. I don't really take your explanation about constantly shit-talking Star Trek to be because you felt you needed to balance things out and be "zen". I don't buy it.

  • No, we're here to discuss movies we love. And its okay to love movies that aren't generally accepted to be "great", and the bigger problem is many argue over what "great" really is. And that can be exemplified by just how many people really really enjoyed Star Trek.

  • Though, you're conveniently dropping the AICN love for the TDKR *Batcopter* leaked photos and videos. I know, that makes your podium collapse upon examination.

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Huh? So some fans love leaked photos. Good for them. It is the dopes who then deem the MOVIE good or bad, based on a photo or set video. And this type of judgment, is just pretty dopey behavior. So let the dopes have their time wasting fun. Right?

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Thanks PAD

    by mcgoocain

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST

    The Joker knew Harvey wasn't Batman


  • Sept. 28, 2011, 8 p.m. CST

    I'm unclear on why The Dark Knight


    has to be grounded in a sterile, 100% realism, while every other action movie ever made has a million of these so-called "plot holes." Let's examine the plot holes in Fast 5! Fuck my head already hurts!

  • Sept. 28, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't Two Face's wound on his face become infected?


    Shit Nolan, but a bandage on his face, wtf dude?

  • That was a serious burn without any plastic surgery. His fucking eyeball was exposed. Two face was going to die of sepsis after leaving the hospital so early.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 1:11 a.m. CST

    @mcgoocain: Oops, you did it again.

    by justmyluck

    You stated *Nothing matters but the image on the screen. * Sure, it was a parroting of PAD, but you did say it - so nice, you said it twice! Now you say *It is the dopes who then deem the MOVIE good or bad, based on a photo or set video.* I don't want to sound like a broken record with another DISTRACTION remark, so let's file that under *trying to move the goal posts to a winnable distance*. Love that a PAD-like, faux-quizzical, *Huh?*, too. You're a quick study. If you think pre-judging a movie as good or bad is *dopey behavior*, and/or *time wasting*, perhaps a leak-and-spoiler-heavy web site like AICN isn't the best place for you. Sort of like stating your aversion to *profanity* or *hostility* HERE. You're probably in the wrong place.

  • Silly me. This TB has been one of the best internet reads I've had in quite a while. Many of you made excellent points/ arguments and should be commended. Almost made me forget how amazing Anne's butt looks in her Catwoman get-up. Almost...

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 5:17 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    For the comparison above, and as a left winger (and this being i'm an european means i'm a real left winger, instea dof the center political thing you guys call left in USA), and with all due respect, fuck you.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 5:18 a.m. CST

    And as a movie geek, forgive me if i take this shit seriously.

    by AsimovLives

    I guess i shouldn't, so that i could enjoy the stupid retard bullshit made by JJ Abrams and Michael Bay.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 5:45 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'm with you on my bewilderment that so many geeks in here give such leeway to the stupid bullshit and the gigantic plot holes in most action movies (namely, Abrams Trek), while if TDK as a small one, complaining about it becames epic and doom sthe movie to movie hell. Now that's fucking double standards if i ever saw one.

  • But then again, the same could be said about all wounds we see in all movies in which the heroes or even villans can walk about and show little effect form wounds that would kill any normal human being. Really people pissing about TDK's alledged plot holes while being extremely forgiving in bigger shit in worst movies just makes me conclude i'm dealing with idiots. Maybe this anti-TDK fools have sore asses because they can't deal with quality in a commercial blockbuster. It's too much for them to dela with, given they trained themselves to be dumb concerning enjoyment of blockbusters. How dare Nolan make smart blockbuster movies? How dare him? Who does he think he is? Movies are supposed to be "teh dumbz" to be "teh funz"! Fuck intelligence, hem guys? Fucking asses!

  • I mean, just form the issue of image alone, how can we compare a photo from a set made by some amateur taken with a common digital camera compares to an image produced by a trained DP using top of the art film cameras that cost 300 thousand dollars? And that's not even counting the post-production work that's made to the images. So, really, how can a set photo taken on less then perfect conditions can even give us a clue to how the movie will look like? Forget if this is from a Nolan movie, it could be from a Michael Shit Bay movie, it would still be absurd to guess how the movie would be like from that.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 7:04 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Yup. I've never said Huh? before. Geez, get over yourself. Maybe people fawning over or insulting set photos is just dumb behavior for anyone, anywhere. Eat shit and die, Motherfucker. Happy now? Your function as an annoying gnat is over.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Have fun defending people's lowest common denominator herd mentality stupidity. You fucking cow. Moo. Oh that photo is really really cool. This movie is great. Love that photo. I will defnitely see Marmaduke II because that photo looks so cool. The dog look real real this time. Moo. Moo. Oh that photo really really sucks. This movie is horrible and I will never see it. Who wants to see another realistic Batman movie. But her ass is real nice looking - for a stuntwoman - I'd tap that. Moo. Moo.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 7:16 a.m. CST

    one of my favorite plot holes of all time


    Transporter 2 (he survives, of course) And yeah, the finished product, with post production and all that, will look vastly superior to these grainy, washed out digital photos. I think the costume will look better with the proper contrast.

  • Because its true, that's exacgly the same way Fox News thinks. Its okay because they're just counter-balancing everyone else. Is what you said any different? No. Not trying to offend you. Just hoping you'll open your eyes.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    asimovlives -- PROMETHEUS SPOILERS!

    by mcgoocain

    Her character's name is Meredith Vickers and she's sort of a corporate entity. That's another one of the familiar things from the 'Alien' movies — that there are corporate interests in play. I feel like Charlize brought a new spin on that old variation. It's a remix …. I don't think she's slimy [like Paul Reiser's character in 'Aliens']. She's not the fast-talking, snake-oil face of the company. By the way, "What company is she a face of?," I think is a big part of the fun. As we were developing the script, she had some really cool ideas that made it not the suit you're used to.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    asimovlives -- PROMETHEUS SPOILERS!

    by mcgoocain

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by Isaac R.

    The day I can't express my appreciation for a beautiful woman's butt on the effin internet is the day Hell freezes over. Moo that Mister man.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    In Whedon we trust.

    by KilliK

    that is all.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 2 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    More power to ya dude. My point is, people see a photo from a movie set, then deem the movie good or bad, based on that photo. You don't seem that simple-minded. And yeah, she does have a nice ass - for Hathaway's stuntwoman.- that was also what I was referring to - courtesy of someone's link to a video of Ann's stuntwoman on set.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    This can't be real.

    by Triple_J_72

    Come on, man. This is a fucking joke, right? Christ almighty...

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST


    by Isaac R.

    Yeah, I understand the point you're trying to make and frankly, I agree. Judging the quality of a finished product before having even seen it is downright immature and stupid but hey, that's the internet for ' has posted a few shots where you can (barely) make out Miss Hathaway's butt in the costume tho. That's what I was referring to ;-)

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST

    The casting of Hatheway worries me more than the costume

    by Rebel Scumb

    I mean she's pretty in a movie star sort of way, but nothing special as an actress, and doesn't really excude sultry, or danger or moral ambiguity the way I would expect catwoman to Eva Green would still be the best pick in my opinion. And I would not have complained at all about Scarlett Johansson either (if she didn't wind up in Avengers instead)

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Mommy I wanna be Cat Woman when I grow up!

    by chien_sale

    this is the first thing that comes to mind when I see this picture. a 14 years old Cat Woman it looks like.

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    then again the recent pictures of Evans as Cap are worse

    by chien_sale

    For the Avengers' it's like Evans has lost a great amount of weight and he looks like a kid trying to be Cap

  • Sept. 29, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    to PAD: but the pictures of Joker had everyone excited

    by chien_sale

    especially the way the promotion was done on the net, like pics of a crazy serial killer/terrorist. then again Warner was more careful with the Dark Knight.

  • You'll never gain any ground dismissing people's right to have an opinion on, judge or prejudge one, two or a thousand images, still or moving, no matter what their context nor matter how much you try. Of course, you're free to adopt or puff-up that behavior, even though it's likely to get you pegged as a poseur or dilettante in two seconds.

  • Sept. 30, 2011, 6:16 a.m. CST

    justmyluck- MOO

    by mcgoocain

    You are correct- AICN talkbackers, when it comes to prejudging an unseen film based on a set photo, will always be free to be be just as dumb as you just sounded, oh defender of talkback stupidity. Maybe, amongst all the painful dumbness here, you have found your true home, so have fun reading all the truly inspirational, useless repititious comments from the herd. Moo. So, thank you for all you kindness. Now, stifle it, dummy.

  • Sept. 30, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Why would they have her wear

    by studmaster

    almost the exact same costume from the fuckin TV show? She's fuckin hot, but sorry the getup is stupid. BTW, best TV CW was definitely Lee Meriweather.

  • Sept. 30, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    I dont understand the Anne hate

    by studmaster

    dont know if shes right for this, but I know that shes fuckin beautiful and if nothin else will be the eye candy that'll keep me watchin

  • Sept. 30, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    @ drmordo

    by studmaster

    So, when did you first realize you were a fag?