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Akiva Goldsman talks about THE SUM OF ALL FEARS...

Hey folks, I know there is a lot of fan hatred for Akiva Goldsman as a writer of films that should have been great but didn't turn out that way. After all... He's the writer of BATMAN AND ROBIN and LOST IN SPACE and producer on DEEP BLUE SEA. Well, personally... I don't hate Akiva. Having read his script for BATMAN AND ROBIN prior to the neon lighting, nipples and codpieces.... Having read LOST IN SPACE before that shitty animated space monkey, the stilted direction and horrendous shift of focus from Will to Daddy Robinson... I actually liked those scripts, and felt in both cases they were destroyed post-script by directors that didn't get the scripts and completely misinterpretated what is on the page. This has happened to other writers. Take David Webb Peoples and SOLDIER. The script was fucking brilliant before that black hole of talent, Paul Anderson got his paws upon the project and created one of the world's purely hidieous ugly wretches of floating maggot-infested excrement. That ain't Peoples' fault... Hell, he wrote BLADE RUNNER... What the hell has Paul Anderson done? So once again... I'll stay neutral on Akiva and give him a chance... here's what he had to say to VIDEO TRADER about the latest Jack Ryan pic...

Came across some interesting info in industry only magazine, Video Trader, on Producer/writer Akiva Goldsmith's involvement with "The Sum of all Fears".

David Pearce, the writer says "You're doing the next Tom Clancy with Harrison Ford - hows it going?"

Akiva : Good. I've done a couple of drafts. Harrison I think is in the middle of discussions with Paramount about when where and how. It was really fun to write. I expect that when that movie sees the screen, Steve Zallian will appear and do some writing on it. I don't mind sharing a credit with Steve Zallian, he wrote SCHINDLER'S LIST and he's written the last three. I think, according to Paramount, they're ready to make the movie off the draft they just got handed. And I get to blow the draft they just got handed. And I get to blow up the Super Bowl with a nuclear bomb, which you don't get to do in a script a lot, so that's fun.

sounds like a good Clancy flick here. If I find anymore info I will post it on my site MOVIEHOLE!

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  • Feb. 1, 2000, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Another Clancy film. I'm glad

    by Owatonna

    After all, Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger were such masterpieces. Well, at least it's not Executive Orders. Long live the Ramius wig!

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 6:12 a.m. CST


    by Darth Boner

    ...Is still what's wrong with Hollywood these days.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 6:40 a.m. CST

    "Lost in Space" was the worst piece of shit I ever saw.

    by Cereal Killer

    If Akiva Goldsman wrote a good script for "Lost in Space" and "Batman and Robin" then they must have thrown it out and started over because both those movies show no signs that there was ever anything good about their scripts. I don't remember anything at all salvagable in either film. It wasn't just the codpieces and cartoon monkey and nipples. The TV show "Lost in Space" was campy and funny and still full of action. The movie was just stupid and dull. And the less said about "Batman and Robin" the better. I just wish somebody somewhere would make a great Batman movie. Tim Burton's films were better than Schumacher's but they still weren't that good. Batman doesn't wear 80 pounds of body armor and deflect bullets. Bruce Wayne is not Donald Trump. He doesn't appear in public at charity events and stuff. And Gotham city shouldn't be so gothic. The thing about Batman is that he strikes fear in the hearts of criminals. In Burton's Gotham city everything is already so scary looking that Batman doesn't stand out at all. As for Goldsman, I just wish he'd stay away from movies altogether. We need more great screenplays not more schlock.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 8:25 a.m. CST

    I've come to a conclusion...

    by Jerry Maguire

    EVERYONE ON THIS SITE IS LACKING IN THE MENTAL DEPARTMENT!! God, I don't know what it is but I just can't read these damn talkbacks, you people are all shmucks, my god!!! Everyone....wake up or something! Oh yeah, Jack Ryan movies RULE!

  • The scripts were plain terrible for both "Batman & Robin" and "Lost In Space". I'm tempted to compare Goldsman's writing on both movies with that of a 12 year old, but that would be unfair to the majority of 12 year olds who have far more imagination in their right pinky than Mr. Goldsman can ever hope to have in a 120 page script. The worst parts of both movies lye in the dialogue, and since he produced "Lost In Space" I doubt that he did'nt have some say as to what made it in the movie. True, both movies were directed by talentless hacks, but any director with a modicum of talent would at least have the sense to throw out any Goldsman script as his first act of power on said movie. I may sound bitter, but this guy is responsible for some of the worst times I've spent infront of the silver screen.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Nuke tha Super Bowl!

    by Halflinger

    Akiva didn't say what teams were going to be nuked. As long as its the Vikings and Raiders, no big loss!

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Goldsman - ack!

    by Payndz

    There may be worse screenwriters than Goldsman in Hollywood, but they're working on DTV kickboxing sequels, not $50 million-plus major productions. I've read several of his scripts (in fact, I've MSTed a couple of them, and boy, were they easy targets) and the simple fact is *the man cannot write*! His plots are forced at best and outright stupid at worst, his characters are so flat you could slide them under a door and some of the stage directions and scene descriptions (in 'Lost In Space' in particular) make it seem as though English isn't his first language. (if you ever meet him, ask him what he thinks a 'bolus' is. I guarantee it won't match any known dictionary definition. You might also ask him what direction he'd look to see the 'firmament' - he gets it wrong in *two* different scripts - and whether he can tell the difference between blue and purple...) I dread to think what he'll do to 'The Sum Of All Fears'. Doesn't Clancey have writer approval? If so, has he ever *seen* anything Goldsman's written? The guy must have absolutely the best agent in Hollywood, because if he were being offered work based on his writing ability he'd be lucky to end up writing copy for the back of windshield flyers. BTW, if you listen to the commentary on the 'LIS' DVD he tells you his story outline for 'LIS 2'. Let's just say that the crappy CGI monkey plays an even bigger part next time around. Thank god it'll never be made!

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Starsky & Hutch

    by stargale

    Yes, but what about Akiva's S&H script?

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Lost Super Bowl in Space

    by Black Knight

    I actually liked LiS although maybe that's mostly due to how amusing Penny was. I do agree Paul Anderson is like the kiss of death to a movie. Wonder who to blame for Event Horizon (seemed like it could be so great yet it had no soul). I actually didn't mind Soldier it was like a brainless popcorn Saturday afternoon TV action flick. Nuke the Superbowl! (really there should have been a spoiler warning... but I read the book already)

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Mr. Methane has produced more interesting creations than Akiva h

    by Monster Rain

    I think Batman V should pair the caped crusader with Mr. Methane. Schumacher is obviously fixated on buttocks anyway.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Mr. MEthane rules!!!!

    by shanny77

    Mr. Methane would be a way better villian for Batman than Mr. Freeze.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 10:24 a.m. CST

    The script doesn't matter because...

    by Brendan3

    if this is a Harrison Ford movie he'll have final sayand have the script rewritten to his liking, which is formulaic, simple, and commercial. Another poster here asked on this talkback how they could possibly squeeze all those characters and pages into this film. The answer is they won't try. In the novel Jack Ryan (Ford's character) is a smaller part than usual, being only one of a multitude of characters. Don't expect it to stay that way. The Ryan character will take on the roll of many of the other characters and will not stay in the office. They'll have to right in some nonsensical personal lone final confrontation with the bad guy. Just remember how Clear and Present Danger was rewritten to include a final scene where Ford's Ryan as deputy director of the CIA slugs it out on a Colombian rooftop with the villainous head of a drug cartel. That's what sells, not logic, and certainly not maintaining the integrity of the print source.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Trends in Ryan movies

    by marklemagne

    If you go in movie order, the books get better and better, and the movies get worse and worse. Anyone who thinks CaPD was a "masterpiece" probably went home and spanked it over the Harrison Ford poster. Harri had the whole script rewritten to make Ryan do most of the work, turn Clark into a mercenary, and Chavez into a wimp. I would suggest that Ford keeps his hands off the script so it stays faithful to the book, but I wouldn't go see that movie, either. THE SUM OF ALL FEARS was without a doubt the worst of all the Clancy books. One thousand pages, and nothing happened! When are they going to make CARDINAL? Or how about WITHOUT REMORSE? If you want mindless violence and action, that's the movie to make.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by Owatonna

    I don't want to jump to conclusions, and if I'm doing you an injustice I apologise but...did you actually, genuinely believe I was being sincere there? I mean really. Please please please tell me you didn't.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Harrison Ford as Jack Ryan

    by Akambe

    Let's just all pray that our exhalted Mr. Ford isn't asked by the big bad meanie author or director to touch an evil meanie weenie gun. That would be beneath his dignity! Forget the fact that the Jack Ryan character ain't no hoplophobe...

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Mr. Methane as Jack Ryan

    by Dirty Sanchez

    His flatulence could nuke TEN Super Bowls and still have enough left over for the Rose Bowl!

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 12:01 p.m. CST

    My Confusion.

    by gilmour

    No film gets shit on more in this site then "Batan&Robin". I will totally admit that I liked it. I really don't see how its worse then any other Batman film. I think all 4 could have been much better but I don't see at all how Burton's are so great and Shumacher's suck so bad. At least in Shumacher's there is action. Burton's films were really dull with so much talking for a film about a superhero. "Batman returns" was just aweful, boring as hell. Sometimes on this site people can't get out of their heads that Shumacher can make a good film, and Fincher, Burton can make crap. So stop your bitching about "batman&Robin" it wasn't that bad! Have you ever viewed a Van Dam film or "Big Daddy"? That was the biggest shitfest I have ever seen!

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 12:13 p.m. CST

    The Akiva/SOAF draft I read wasn't all that bad ....

    by STAX

    And I HATE damn near everything this guy has ever done, even the projects he has only produced and NOT written. So the script review I have up at my site FlixBurg for his draft of SOAF is not written by some Akiva-defender. He was able to lay out the structure and the plot well enough (he's somewhat better at adapting an author's work rather than writing his own original stuff), but there were moments between Jack and Kathy Ryan that made me cringe. In my review I give my reasons why. Akiva's dialogue in the "acting" moments all devolve into some kind of pseudo-psychobabble. I hope Paul Attanasio (who is rewriting SoAF, and NOT Zaillian!) beefs up all the "quiet" moments between the leads. Also, the script's villians were quite lacking. Two-dimensional, standard-issue movie terrorists. If you're interested at all in reading a review of Akiva's script, here's the URL (click on the "reviews" button). Thanks!

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Hey Halflinger

    by mechanimal

    I know movies are to suspend disbeleif, but the Raiders in the Super Bowl? That's a bit much....

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Hatred for "Batman and Robin" explained...

    by Monster Rain

    Gilmour, the reason that film is so (rightfully) reviled is that it was a loud, raucous, empty shell of a movie. It traded substance for flashiness, interesting ideas for a run-of-the-mill storyline and high-quality entertainment for the lowest common denominator. Where there should have been character development, we got shots of Clooney's leather-clad ass, an interesting script was replaced cheeseball humor and smutty single entendres, thrilling action was jettisoned in favor of loud, clattering action scenes that had no purpose. I'm not saying that Batman needs to be dark and brooding all the time. I'm all in favor of putting a different spin on things. However, this movie looked and felt like it was stitched together from the rotting cadavers of several hundred B-movies. Examples: 1)The opening scene. We have nothing really invested in the characters yet, so any sense of jeopardy or drama is lost. Yes, I know B & R are the established heroes, but being thrust into the middle of a free-for-all with a villan we have never met works fine for a Hanna-Barbera cartoon from the 70s, but a $100 million film should give us a bit more to chew on. In addition, the scene is so loud and confusingly shot, that we lose all sense of what exactly is going on. And the bit with the rocket ship is so queer that even suspension of all disbelief can't save it. 2) O'Donnell's take on Robin's character is so sniveling and whiny that he takes a character who could present an interesting contrast to Batman and just makes him disgusting. 3) Bane, one of the more fearsome characters in the comic, here roars and grunts like he's the victim of the world's worst case of constipation and lumbers around like a reject from an Ed Wood flick. 4) Poison Ivy: To put it bluntly, she sucks. She's annoying, she's not sexy, she made me ill whenever she was on the screen. She's just plain gross. And putting sleazy sax music on the soundtrack to denote a slinky character went out in around 1943. 5) Cheap jokes: The Batman credit card, the constant "freeze" puns, Robin's rubber lips (which was lifted whole and breathing from "Gilligan's Island", not the best source material for an action film!), the list goes on and on. The film continually thrusts these duds in our faces, seemingly smirking and saying "Look how FUNNY we are!!!", when the truth is, this film couldn't generate a laugh if you pumped nitrous oxide into the screening room. There, I think I've said it all. Now, Gilmour, if you like this movie, I have no problem with that. Hey, I'm sure there are movies I love that you might think are utter crap! I just wanted to give you some insight into why so many people utterly hate this film and dearly wish it had never poisoned their collective brains.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Rock on, Akiva!

    by Cold Fusion

    Hey! Give Akiva a break. Did he not help create 3 of the most awe-inspiring movies this decade? That is, if you use the term 'awe-inspiring' to describe how mind numbingly half-assed and crappy they were. What can I say, the man has a gift.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 12:59 p.m. CST

    A talentless hack can make a good movie when....

    by lostoptimist

    you get a truly solid script. For example, was there really any way Shumacher could've screwed up COUSINS? No. Why? First, he had a good script. 2nd, and probably most important, it was based on a good foreign film. All Shumacher had to do was make an effort to replicate the film. In other words, he had a working blueprint. He didn't actually have to make any real decisions himself. They were made for him by the original Foreing film director (the name escapes me). And that is why COUSINS is a good movie. The reason why all of his BATMAN movies sucks is that instead of trying to copy Burton (the original), he tried to copy the campy TV show. Anf the problem with that is that he couldn't even do that well. Hence, BATMAN RETURNS is marginal and (with a inflated ego from believing that the reason BATMAN RETURNS was a success was because of him and not the Batman charcter itself) BATMAN AND ROBIN turned out even worse.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Writers convicted of Hack work...

    by lostoptimist

    (Yes, I consider Akiva one of them), whatever happened to Joe Ezterhas? Haven't heard hyde nor hare from him for quite some time. Showgirls, Burn Hollywood Burn, Jade...I mean, C'mon, with a track record like that you know all the Studios got be knocking down his door wanting to make production deals. Also, just want to comment on my spelling...Ugh! I know it can be bad sometimes. Getting on here and writing these things up at work sometimes makes me rush things and what can I say? Mistakes are made.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Hey Warrior

    by mechanimal

    Yeah, the Raiders did win four super bowls. I used to wet my bed too, but that was so long ago that, like those Raiders victories, it is now irrelevant.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by 18Buddahs

    Why does everybody insist on trashing this movie? I think it's a great film. It's a lot of fun. And it's just as good a statement about a gun not wanting to be a gun as Iron Giant, only it's darker and doesn't play down to it's audience. A lot of the movie is silent, and that's a great accomplishment, because the story and human emotions are conveyed without making up all this corny unnecessary dialogue. And, Paul Anderson directed the equally great, but equally misunderstood Event Horizon. You know, people always jump on a soapbox and call a movie crap, when they either don't understand or they go into a movie expecting not to like it. You know, it's not easy to make a film. There are a lot of difficulties and commities and business and politics and just plain bad luck. You don't just throw all the ingredients in a bowl and one hour later you have a cake. It's a lot more difficult. And for all you naysayers- fuck off- what films have you made?

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 2:13 p.m. CST

    To Gilmore; Why "Batman Returns" and all it's dialogue is gret.

    by Revelare

    First of all, Tim Burton has a better understanding of the characters than Joel Schumacher does any day of the week. And this is shown in "Batman Returns". Burton not only showed you that Bruce/Batman was borderline insane, but showed you that Batman was the real personality, and Bruce Wayne was the mask he wore to the world. He may have taken some liberties with the characters, and some of them might have been horrible (Selina resurrected by cats?) but he was still able to capture the true essence of each character. Joel Schumacher did not. Two-Face is the most complex character in Batman's rogues gallery. Not a two-bit thug with a fixation on the number "2". Riddler was all about outsmarting Batman, not getting as much money as possible and becoming an businessman. The riddler couldn't care less about howq much he got away with so long as he outsmarted Batman. He isn't a Joker wannabe. Mr. Freeze is a callous scientist with love only for his frozen wife. Not a moron bodybuilder. Frankly, one scene in which they could have furthered Mr. Freeze was when he was talking to his thug after the initial museum encounter. They should have had Mr. Freeze speaking to Nora behind the glass, not his goon. If Schumacher had any sort of understanding of the characters, he would have done that. Poison Ivy is not a Mae West impersonator, she is a cunning scientist. And Bane was the most insulting change. Bane is eloquent and loquacious when he speaks, not some monosyllabic brute. He didn't rely on the serum 24/7 he only used it to add to his strength. Robin is a troubled teen, not a 20-something sex symbol. Lastly, Batman *IS* *NOT* a superhero. He is an anti-hero. He becomes Batman to maintain his sanity. He *IS* *NOT* one to quip oneliners. Batman is one to say as little as possible, allowing his silent image to strike fear into criminals. Batman isn't about mindless action and puns, which is what Joel Schumacher showed him to be, Batman *IS* about the character development and the dull plot moments. Batman is supposed to be intelligent, cunning, logical. He's the worlds greatest detective. Sherlock Holmes in a bat-costume. Not some goofball frolicking around trying to come up with the next one liner. I will admit the one thing I like about the Shcumacher crap-fest is that there is more action in it. I love seeing Batman in action (even if it's horribly choreographed camp action) but action is no substitue for character development. Tim Burton understood the characters, which is why there was more talking than action. Tim Burton understood Batman and his suroundings. Joel Schumacher did not.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 2:16 p.m. CST

    "gret" should have been "great"

    by Revelare

    Next time I'll double check the frappin spelling before I babble on.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 2:18 p.m. CST

    There's one thing for sure...

    by pipsorcille

    This movie isn't gonna suck like Inspector Gadget the movie

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 2:43 p.m. CST

    "Deep Blue Sea" Was A KICK-ASS Summer Movie And Should've Blew "

    by The Monitor

    One thing I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND is why the majority of AICN talkbackers think "The Blair Witch Project" was such a "revolutionary" film, but "Deep Blue Sea" is suppose to be such a piece of crap... the former movie plays like an episode of MTV's "Real World", but without the "great", "witty" repartee that all those "interesting" personalities on the show came up with... "BWP" is not scary in any FUCKIN' way whatsoever, it seems to me that the only reason it made so much money was due to the fact that most of the movie-going public is SOOOOOO simple that they went to see the film multiple times under the impression that they were actually watching a "snuff" film (albeit with "acting" so atrocious Ed Wood wouldn't even of hired those guys to get him coffee, let alone be in a motion picture) and that was the "hip" thing to do for the summer... on the other hand however-- I thought "DBS" was an exciting, fun popcorn movie that achieved what was it was designed to do-- ENTERTAIN THE HELL OUTTA YA-- without being a pretentious film claiming to be something it's not-- and in "BWP"'s case that means, a good movie... Now this brings me to "Deep Blue Sea"'s producer, Akiva Goldman-- who the majority of talkbackers believe to be a hack simply because he makes commercial flicks-- YES, "B+R" SUCKED, as did "Lost In Space"-- but IMHO the previous Bat-flick that Goldman co-wrote, "B4EVER", kicked SERIOUS ASS, and came the closest to giving us the best interpretation of Batman in film without all the morose gloom and doom that Tim Burton's first two outings had... and what Goldman and Joel Schumacher did with their adaptation of John Grisham's "The Client" was also impressive... if they can keep making "Austin Powers" sequels then Goldman can keep working to his heart's content in Hollywood...

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Let's go to the stats...

    by mcjc

    Here's what the A-Man has given us over the years: Deep Blue Sea (1999)- A-Bomb was merely the producer on this one, which is a tad scary. It's as if he'd become too lazy to write his own crap, and decided to attach his name to that of others. Practical Magic (1998)- Cute girls. Crap film. Lost in Space (1998)- Cute monkey. Crap film. Batman & Robin (1997)- Cute...Oh I can't keep this up. Crap. Time to Kill, A (1996)- Didn't see it. Could have been great. Bet it wasn't. Batman Forever (1995)- Not so bad. Not so good. Silent Fall (1994)- Once again, I did not see it, so I will give the benifit of the doubt, and say it might have been good. But I will have my fingers crossed as I say that. Client, The (1994)- Crap. To sum up...This is more than a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, people. I can understand having one screenplay butchered by the Hollywood buzzsaw...But this is an all you can detest buffet of the no-good. Goldsman is not just a bad writer, I would go as far as to say he is THE bad writer. Salud.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 3:12 p.m. CST


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  • Feb. 1, 2000, 3:23 p.m. CST

    WAITAMINIT, 7001-- About Paul Antansio...

    by The Monitor

    ... somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Antansio do two ABSOLUTELY CRAPPY adaptations of Michael Crichton's novels-- "Disclosure" and "Sphere"-- which were both directed by Barry Levinson????? If you're gonna attack Goldsman for being a hack, then be consistent for other Hollywood screenwriters that do the same thing all the time...

  • ok. first off. harrison ford is an old man!! he's ancient now. he is and always will be the man. but, he's too old to be jack ryan. and, he's too gruff. his persona is perfect for the other characters he plays. but ryan is sharper. a james bond type. the series hasn't been good since alec baldwin left. hunt for red october was the best. and, yeah, the movies make money, but at what cost? and, i'm sorry but, patriot games butchered all of the best parts of the book. and, what is this bullshit about burton's batman is too dark. bullshit. he revolutionized comic filmmaking. and batman is a killer!! he's a fucking whack job who dresses like a bat to avenge a city full of freaks who have accidents with chemical vats!! it's a dark story. would all the morons please sit down and stop trying to make the coolest superhero into a pile of cotton candy shit!

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 3:55 p.m. CST

    D.W. Peoples Does Deserve "Blade Runner" Credit...

    by The Monitor

    Aren't you reversing the two writers' contributions to the "Blade Runner" script, Stainless?????? When Hampton Faucher was intially brought in to do the adaptation of Philip K. Dick's "Do Androids Dream Of ELectric Sleep?"-- the film was suppose to an EXTREMELY LOW-BUDGET sci-fi action movie with a corny film-noir feel to it-- if anything, it would've came off like one of those dreadful "Trancers" DTV movies that are all over the place... but when the budget went up and Ridley Scott came aboard he felt the film noir aspects that Faucher ONLY SLIGHTLY touched upon should've been expanded-- which is where Peoples came in... let's be realistic: David Webb Peoples' screenplays are good pieces of work... "Unforgiven" was excellent-- which is why he won the Oscar for it; a little seen film he co-wrote starring Rutger Hauer called "The Blood Of Heroes" is VERY underrated and worth a look-see; and even that "Soldier" debacle is a diamond in the rough: Warner Bros. messed up when they got Paul Anderson to direct and Kurt Russell to star... in other hands the script could've been made into a classic... lastly-- if Faucher was so damn good as you say-- why didn't he write another KICK-ASS screenplay??????? I mean one more probably would've helped his now non-existent career...

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 3:58 p.m. CST

    retard in a bottle

    by 18Buddahs

    you're right...event horizon was bad...if you're a tight ass bore.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Yes I'm looking forward to SOAF

    by 20th Century Fox

    I read the book SOAF and for all of you who are bashing HF as being too old or too tired looking THEN ITS OBVIOUS YOU HAVE NOT READ THE BOOK. In SOAF Jack Ryan IS tried, IS looking old, IS having work slowly wreck his life...Yeah CAPD was diffent from the book but guess what it was a very good flim (It grossed 150 million in the us alone in 1994) and for all of you who are jerking off for Alec "Let me suck more democrat dick" Baldwin in HFRO that was HEAVILY ALTERED from the godamn book...Yes i'm not happy that Akiva Goldshit is working on SOAF (It goes to show what complete idiots (Paramount Heads) Sherry Lansing and Jon Doldgen are for hiring this dumb fuck...But with Antasio and Noyce and Nufeld at the helm this could be good...

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Can you read.

    by Stalker

    To that dumbass who wanted to know what the teams are should read the book, Vikes and Chargers. Unless some feely good producer wants to change it, which i wouldnt doubt.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 4:19 p.m. CST

    20th Century Fux

    by 18Buddahs

    what are you talking about? a man's political views have nothing to do with his acting abilities. and, everybody agrees harrison ford is good, but he's wrong for the role of jack ryan. he is a spy. and spies are subtle. ford is as subtle as a hammer. and who cares how much a movie grosses besides the producers. i can give you a long list of movies that grossed that much. but, it doesn't mean they're good. godzilla, batman and robin, inspector gadget, anyone?

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 4:30 p.m. CST

    To Artaud In Bottle & 18 Buddahs...

    by The Monitor

    Well, to Artaud In Bottle-- the reason I dislike "BWP" so much is not because there's no gore in the film... that has NOTHING to do with making a good horror movie IMHO-- it's due to the fact that the film is an exploitation vehicle that hides behind the facade of being daring and original... I know a lot of people don't recall the sub-genre of cannibal (yes, cannibal) exploitation movies that came out in the 70's and early 80's, but many of them had the EXACT same plotline as "BWP": hmmmm, let's have some college students go to some far away locale and look for some type of legend for their thesis-- then these same students will actually encounter the legend, realize it's for real, then die horrible deaths-- but the final catch will be this: the students would've taped their terrifying end for the authorities (and movie-going public to see).... and I AM NOT making this up-- go to a well stocked video store and rent "Make Them Die Slowly" (just one of the many films in the sub-genre) to see the similarities between it and "BWP"... the only difference is the lack of gore "BWP" has, but I'm inclined to believe that's because the film's producers lacked the money for half-way decent special effects... now, just like you choose not to explain the "finer" points of "BWP"-- I'm not going to go into detail about why I like "B4EVER" or "DBS"-- I'm going to say different strokes for different folks, simple as that... neither movie is perfect, but they're ENTERTAINING AS HELLL!!!! As for 18 Buddahs-- you must not read "Batman" comics at all... Bats is NOT A KILLER!!!!! He brings them to justice... he wasn't one in either Burton's films or his own books... he does have an obvious psychological disorder, but he does have the capacity to crack an OCCASIONAL joke in a dead-pan style and operate in society without acting like he's sleepwalking all the time (something Michael Keaton's version did a lot of), there IS NO FUCKIN' WAY these things I just mentioned would make a "pussy" outta Bats in any way, shape, or form...

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 5:06 p.m. CST

    The Blair Witch couldn't wipe the Deep Blue Sea shark's ass!

    by Darth Siskel

    Deep Blue Sea & Event Horrizon were eons better than The Blair Witch Scam. That is all.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 5:13 p.m. CST

    David Webb Peoples wrote UNFORGIVEN

    by Stephen Dedalus

    Am I the only person on this site who knows that? I'm suprised that no one has written about that. D.W. Peoples, by the way, is a big Kubrick-like recluse. It is extremely difficult to even get a photograph of him.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 5:24 p.m. CST

    On EH

    by mrbeaks

    Anderson even had the audacity to stage a CARRIE ending in EVENT HORIZON. Great sets, though. BTW, if you like David Webb Peoples, check out Stephen Frears' underrated 1992 satire, HERO, which DWP wrote with his wife, Janet.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 5:59 p.m. CST

    batman- "the dark knight'!!

    by 18Buddahs

    he's a dark knight! dark means bleak. distraught. knight. means killer. he may be an honorable killer. but, it doesn;t change the facts. he works with the system, but very far outside it. he can crack a joke for sure. christopher walken is hysterical, but equally terrifying as the headless horseman. which brings me to why burton is such a master. the original batman is funny. full of one liners and jokes. but, they are dark humor. burton is never bleak or dreary, he's so funny. all of his movies are the perfect blend of seriousness and macabre comic book humor. batman is scary. but, when the joker is hawking smile-x on tv. purely classic. 'uh oh, she's been using brand x!'. humor doesn't have to be broad and vaudevillian. it can be dark and disturbing. when, pee wee is talking to large marge. hysterically funny, but scary. johnny depp is in bed after seeing the horseman. 'he took their heads!'. it's so funny. schumacher is a throw back to the days when a pie in the face was the end all of humor. people try to change burton's brilliant vision. but, if it wasn't for him, there would be no standard for comic book films. he raised the bar and showed that films can capture the free spirit of comics. the set pieces he designed have been desperately imitated...his style can never be matched. he is a true master. and he needs to be recognized. maybe mars attaks missed the mark. but, even orson welles and john woo made films you'd never want to watch. and, as for artaud, the fuck do you know about bad directing? what have you directed or even attempted to direct besides your fat ass into a movie seat...

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 6:08 p.m. CST

    if batman isn't a killer...

    by 18Buddahs

    why does he have bombs and guns? for when he plays bridge with aunt bee? if he's so into justice, why doesn't he carry a whistle like the london coppers? and artaud, why the hell is BWP so original? ahem evil dead cough cough friday the 13th cough cough...the only thing unique about BWP is how much was made out of so little. if you were more frightened by that than event horizon...well, i dunno, but that seems strange to me...

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 6:13 p.m. CST


    by mr_ripley

    I have never read one of his scripts, but I everytime I see his name on screen, I cringe. MAYBE he is not completely responsible (as we all know Joel Shumacher IS the devil), and we all know what Hollywood can do to the work of screenwriters. It just seems like everytime he has been involved, whether as a writer or producer, the result is a turkey. Although most of you would never watch it, you should check out PRACTICAL MAGIC. Akiva was a script doctor on it. It is interesting because you see what he did to that movie. I mean this is purely speculative, but I KNOW he wrote the lame ending that made absolutely no sense (but it did employ lame special FX, which is a prerequisite for a Goldsman film). My point is this: Even in a film where his "talents" are employed in a simple rewrite, Akiva manages to stink the joint up. Maybe he is a better writer than Hollywood allows. I doubt it. Akiva Goldsman is NOT Barton Fink!

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 6:37 p.m. CST

    well, to be fair...

    by 18Buddahs

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 6:40 p.m. CST

    well, to be fair...

    by 18Buddahs

    joel schumacher was involved with car wash; and he did direct falling down, which was a classic. but, still, what happened, mr're always so close to making cool films, but you usually just fuck it up...damn

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 7:39 p.m. CST

    While we're slagging writers here...

    by Ratzo

    ..Even David Peoples has a skeleton in his closet. Anybody remember that George P. Cosmotos piece of trash LEVIATHAN? Well, he shared the screenwriting credit with Jeb Stuart (Die Hard), who was probably hired on to 'flesh out' the action sequences and provide one liners. However, having seen that movie a couple of times, I can't think of any redeeming elements whatsoever, and can't fathom why a writer of Peoples' calibre would have been interested (except for a paycheque, of course). Hampton Fanscher also wrote the little seen mystery-comedy THE MIGHTY QUINN, which starred Denzel Washington. Other than that, I don't think I've seen his name on anything recently. As for Mister Goldsman, I quite liked A TIME TO KILL, and thought THE CLIENT wasn't all that bad. Maybe the rule for him is; keep him away from movies with a lot of special effect. While BATMAN FOREVER was passable, his screenplays for BATMAN AND ROBIN and LOST IN SPACE sucked big time. I recall listening to his and director Stephen Hopkins comments while watching the Laserdisc version of LIS. All they talked about was special effects and which actors had cameos in the film. They sounded like a couple of stupid kids talking about their toys. Compare this with Terry Gilliam's excellent and insightful commentary on the Criterion version of THE FISHER KING, or John Carpenter's and Kurt Russell's comments on the special edition of THE THING. There's something to be said about knowledge and maturity....

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Tom Clancy Rips Off Thomas Harris?

    by Son Altesse

    The question is whether Paramount thinks the new generations of moviegoers are too young to have seen the studio's own classic-yet-forgotten Action Movie BLACK SUNDAY (1977 directed by John Frankenheimer), in which terrorists use the Goodyear blimp to nearly vaporize The Super Bowl -- based on a bestselling book by the same Thomas Harris who later penned SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. So should we blame Clancy for ripping off Harris or Paramount for ripping off itself (rather than revising the book's target to avoid the BLACK SUNDAY allusions)? Anybody who gets off on genuinely spectacular actioners should see BLACK SUNDAY -- then slag everybody involved with SUM for being so uncreative for the Big Bucks they are overpaid.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Funny this subject has come up..

    by Vilos Cohaagen

    Because two weeks ago I was in Las Vegas at a buisness convention when I ran into John Milius. I introduced myself to him and we talked for about 10 minutes. During the conversation I asked him that I heard that he was working on anew Jack Ryan film. He said that he had done some ghost writing on Red October and Clear and Present Danger and that he had written the screenplay for a new Ryan movie and was set to direct it about a year and a half ago, but the studio stopped it because of some internal studio political bullshit and that the new one, SOAF, was going to be a more action oriented film like Patriot Games. He alson said that he was going to do another mini-series for TNT on the Hatfields and the McCoys and something for Showtime. A nice guy and a good screenwriter/director. Knows his history and military technology quite well.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 11:07 p.m. CST

    My view

    by Portnoy

    Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger were both Great films. Ford's Ryan is different from the book, sure, but it MAKES A BETTER MOVIE. That's why they change things. Sometimes literal translations of books to film just don't work. I'm not thrilled that Akiva has had his hands on this project at all, but Paul Attanasio is a GREAT writer. Discolure and Sphere were both exactly like the books. Any problem with those movies were problems in the book first. Also Paul Atanasio is one of the people who helped create the critically acclaimed series Homicide: Life On The Street.

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 11:15 p.m. CST


    by eddie munster

    tttttttttttttttthats all folks

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 11:45 p.m. CST

    I wish they'd make "Without Remorse"

    by Ally_Kat

    The Sum Of All Fears was a good book, but not one of Clancy's better books. What I would like to know is what happened to "Without Remorse"? Every so often some word on a script or possible cast will surface and then disappear again. I haven't heard anything in a few years. Of all Clancy's novels, I think WR was his best--I usually don't reread many books, but I've read WR five times. Oh, and I say get Vin Diesel to play John Kelly/Clark (last I heard it was Ben Affleck). Harry, have you heard anything on WR? -Allie

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 11:56 p.m. CST

    1) Does anyone else think that the only good Jack Ryan film was

    by superninja

    1) I don't. In fact, I think Clancy is a weak writer and they got luck with THFRO. 2) Well, I hit the IMDB, and here's the sparkling resume for Akiva's writing talents: Practical Magic, Lost in Space, Batman & Robin, A Time to Kill, Batman Forever, Silent Fall, and The Client. The only consolation is his ADAPTATIONS are the only decent work he's done! Anything original is just trash. Screw Catwoman -- HOW MANY LIVES DOES AKIVA HAVE?!

  • Feb. 2, 2000, 1 a.m. CST

    Hampton Fancher

    by Spacey

    Just last year Fancher directed a movie based on his screen play adapted from another book, The Minus Man. I'm suprised I haven't read anything about it on this site seeing how it has Owen Wilson and Janeane Garofalo in it. Anyways, it is a very good low-key serial killer movie, Wilson gives a superb performance, aided mostly by the script. This guy can write, there is no doubt about that. I think he might just choose not to.

  • Thank you Harry, Clint & AICNs for the interesting piece on this highly anticipated feature. Unknown to most here, is that the article that Clint is referring to in this scoop is dated...meaning that Steven Zaillian is no longer attached to this fact he had to pass because of timing restraints with three other projects he's attached to -- Oscar-nominated screenwriter Paul Attanasio ("Donnie Brasco" & "Quiz Show") is currently rewriting Goldsman's 1st-draft version. Expect news on Paul Attanasio's revisions to make the trades sometime in the coming weeks. At that point, Paramount Pictures, producer Mace Neufeld, director Philip Noyce, and Harrison Ford will decide whether or not they approve the latest reworking. My personal opinion is that I'm ecstatic that a writer of Mr. Attanasio's magnitude is involved with this adventure-thriller. It will hopefully give this formulaic material the depth & weight that it surely deserves. This project has many positives on its side now. Take care everyone. :-)

  • Feb. 2, 2000, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Clancy & the movies

    by petlou

    Lets face it, Hunt for Red October was the ONLY adaptation of a Clancy novel that did not SUCK ASS big time. Read the books if you dont beleive me.

  • Feb. 2, 2000, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Thank god someone defends Shumacher!

    by gilmour

    He does take WAY too much crap on this site. You would think the man was the devil himself. Face it hes made good films. I watched DC Cab last night, even that film was fun to watch. Oh and Cousins is one of the best romance films i've ever seen.

  • Feb. 2, 2000, 1:22 p.m. CST

    To Dr.X And Artaud In Bottle-- And Who Knew That Hampton Fanch

    by The Monitor

    To Dr.X-- well, I stand corrected in regards to the Bat films and whether he killed in them or not-- I haven't seen the first three in YEARS and my recollections failed me... but, honestly I must say-- FUCK THAT!!!!! The original "Batman" was far from a classic-- I still maintain that there was MUCH wrong with it: Sam Hamm's screenplay was WAY TOO SIMPLE, the jokes were stale, there was too little action, and most importantly-- BATMAN WASN'T PROPERLY PORTRAYED... Bats is a vigilante with an obvious MPD, but still has control and a strong sense of wrong and right... now I know in his first appearances over fifty years ago (and even much later in Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns") he used guns and threw people off roofs, but we're talking present day here, people!!!!!! One of the things that make Bats such a compelling character nowadays is that he will push himself to the limit to do what's right and not just kill on a whim... years ago when the second Robin was murdered by the Joker in the comic books that was one of the few times that Bats was pushed to offing one of his villains-- that conflict is what made that story so memorable-- if Batman was just slaughtering bad guys like the Punisher or Wolverine routinely, "Death In The Family" would've made no connection to anybody-- and the fact that Burton, Schumacher, and even Goldsman play so fast and loose with his screen persona are but a few of the reasons that there HASN'T BEEN AN ULTIMATE BATMAN MOVIE MADE YET... And to Artaud In Bottle-- WHO THE HELL SAID THAT "DBS" WAS ORIGINAL?!?!? I said it was a fun popcorn movie-- yeah, it's a rip-off of "Jaws", "Pirahna", and countless other Italian exploitation flicks that were biting(*grin*) Spielberg's movie-- but it's PURE, SUMMER ENTERTAINMENT and never promoted itself as changing the whole film industry with being "so original and daring" as "BWP" did... lastly, to the poster who mentioned that Hampton Fancher penned "The Mighty Quinn" adaptation that starred Denzel Washington-- that's good to know because I liked that film, but I heard "The Minus Man" sucked big time...

  • Feb. 2, 2000, 10 p.m. CST

    Yes I read the novels and I still think the movies are pretty go

    by 20th Century Fox

    Yes I think HFRO is a killer film but CLEAR AND PRESANT DANGER kicked total ass...WHY? They set out to make a good movie just like a little flim called JAWS (If you read thenovel JAWS you know the film is WAAAYYYY DIFFERNT FROM THE BOOK ESPECIALLY THE ENDING...Yes the movies make changes from the book but they WERE GOOD CHANGES. Get a grip people..

  • Feb. 3, 2000, 1:04 a.m. CST


    by marklemagne

    Sorry, man, but sarcasm doesn't always come across too well in a talkback. If I misunderstood you, I apologize. But I was also talking about the movie execs who really did think that CaPD was so wonderful that there just had to be another sequel.

  • Feb. 3, 2000, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Why English majors shouldn't write movies about the military

    by marklemagne

    2KFox, you are completely frapping insane if you think that CaPD was improved by any of the changes in the movie. All of the supporting characters were weakened to pump up Ryan, who logically shouldn't have much to do until the end anyway. He's there to react to what's going on and try to bring the boys home. That's it. In the book, he even stayed on the helicopter, and the soldiers didn't really know what to do with him, because he's a SPOOK, not a WARRIOR! How is the story improved if, instead of calling up the U.S. military and asking for a chopper, Ryan decides to go to Columbia, tell everybody who he is, and write a CHECK for a helicopter?!? Have you ever talked to anyone who works for the CIA? They love the books, but they laugh at the movies.

  • Feb. 4, 2000, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Goldsman and Schumacher

    by ratso

    Joel S. IS a hack who should have stayed a window dresser. Akiva know him, is to hate him. They both deserve a project together at New Line...