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Harry here. In a couple of hours I'll be at a pit, beginning the process of cooking (along with my father and a team of about 20 some odd adults) up 200 pounds of various types of flesh, whilst getting majorly messed up with kegs upon kegs of beer and wine and harder stuff... whilst preparing a party for over 300... all for the sake of the Super Bowl. With Rams and Titans playing I feel like Ray Harryhausen should be taking part somehow, but I feel as though I will be disappointed. Sigh. However, whether they be film commercials or just plan cool commercials... there will be some fun shit to talk about. So... if you won't be partying with someone somewhere... why dontcha just avoid the game all together... or just play around on here or start laying claim to the point spread or making derogatory remarks about the teams or coaches or players or their salaries? Or talk about your favorite Super Bowl.... Or that one play that just plain made ya lose your mind. Or that thing that happened while watching that game that caused you to lose your mind. Or whatever your latest theory is about why sports are used to control the minds of the masses by allowing them to vent at completely trivial things. Or... well hell's bells... Get on with it. I need 2 and a half hours of rest to party for the next 24 hours. Weeeee fun!!!
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I would love to watch the Super Bowl (not only for the game, but for the cool film and TV commercials), but unfortunelty I live in South Africa and we do not get the Super Bowl. Damn.
People, do me a favour and write in everything (cool commmercials etc.) just like Harry said.
Then my soul can rest.
P.S. I am first.
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I actually used to be a Rams fan some years ago, when NFL football was big here in the UK.....in fact, I still have a pennant up on my study wall, but......then.....Eric Dickerson left, then later they moved to St Louis.......and it just wasn't the same. I still favored the NFC West, considering Joe Montana to be a living legend, now........there's nothing much to draw me back........but I gotta admit that knowing the Rams are at the Superbowl still sets the pulse running a tad faster.
Good luck guys !!
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DAMN THOSE SOUTH AFRICANS......DO THEY NEVER SLEEP ?
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Namath, Montana, Bradshaw, Elway. These are the men who take center stage with the images I have of the Superbowl. It's the wee hours of the morning and I am wondering will some time in the future we be speaking of McNair or Warner in the same breath?
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well, I'm not American but I sure will see the Super Bowl which is of course in the middle of the night here. Is it just me or do you people in the US feel the same way. A Super Bowl with the Rams and the Titans!! that's weird. Were the hell was the 49'ers, the Cowboys, the Broncos (and yes, what the hell was up with them this season?). Anyway - GO PACKERS!
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Jan 30, 2000 11:54:05 AM CST
Rams 31 Titans 21 is my score and the halftime show will stink
by spike lee
that is my prediction on the game. By the way, football is our country's national past time.
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Let the real arguments begin! Now we'll see all the British posters come out of the woodwork. (1) Who would win in a fight between the Packers offensive line and the entire Manchester United team? (2) Who commits more rapes and robberies, Arsenal fans or the Dallas Cowboys? and of course, (3) Which sport has more lunatic fans? I'm looking forward to today, more for the commercials than for the game. Peace.
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YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK THE PUSSIES WHO ALWAYS GOT THEIR ASSES KICKED IN POP WARNER AND NOW HATE THE SPORT!!!!!!!
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well, deltahead. Of course soccer has the most lunatic fans but it's really no surprise. Personally I really like football but I love soccer and it's not weird since I'm european. Soccer is, with no contest, the most popular sport in the world. And the reason for all the lunatic fans is because soccer is life for millions of people all over the world. In a lot of places your team represents who you are and what you stand for. It's your life. I doubt that's the feeling with football in the US since you see all the time teams moving from city to city. That could never happen in soccer, because it's the "people's sport". And you do know that Super Bowl (even though it's great) isn't even near the biggest sporting events in the world. Here's the facts. No.1 is the FIFA soccer World cup, No.2 is the Olympic Games and No.3 is the Tour de France. Then at No.4 I guess we see the Super Bowl. Cheers.
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Steve McNair is by far the biggest, strongest and most atheletic quarterback in the NFL. Rarely do you see a quarterback as elusive and tough as Titans' QB. I've felt that all season long the Rams have been hyped up and overrated. They have yet to beat a great team while the Titans have beaten the bills, colts, jags(3 times) and the Rams. Titans 27-20
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Thats my prediction. Does anybody know that Cdns don't get ALL the commercials that the US does ? Are we getting the X-Men commercial ?
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Jan 30, 2000 3:00:00 PM CST
Cheers to all those who don't really care about the Super Bowl;I
by jasondkeldar
For the fans of the other kind of football(soccer for those of us not appreciative of its world-dominating status), I pose a question. Based on the effect on economy, I agree the world cup is probably watched and appreciated by more people around the world and more money is spent in total on the games that make them up. The fact still remains that the biggest single-event in the world is the Super Bowl. It has been so for years, no matter the teams involved, as there aren't that many wanna-be Cowboys around the world to pop up from the woodworks when that team plays well. Fans in Mexico and even Europe and Japan appreciate the speed and grace of the American football player, and I admit that I would like to see more talented American athletes take up soccer, if only to disabuse the rest of the world that they are superior to the Americans. Witness the American Women's Soccer team, who showed what a culling of the best athletes from America could do, made possible by the fact there is only one viable women's professional sports league in the States, and hundreds of thousands of women who are more athletic than the women of earlier generations. If only the men soaring to the hoops and floating over the goal-line for the touchdown catch had trained as hard to play European-style football, then perhaps the sport would be as popular here in America. The truth is that countries admire the athletes in their displays of strength, speed and dexterity, no matter the sport they play. Why else would anyone wait 5 minutes for a 12 second race again and again? It is for the sheer exhilaration of the contest, and the more familiar the rules and the fact so many children grew up together playing the game makes it all the more exciting as we compare what we did with what they can do. Sorry, residents of Britain and other areas of the world where soccer reigns supreme as a national hobby, but it is just the way it is. I imagine the reason that people from other countries watch American football's preeminent championship
is the sheer spectacle and the chance to watch what we often revere as our best athletes in competition. Was resolved not to flame anyone, but I would imagine the reason Brits seem so indignant about our game is that they remember their own days on the rugby fields, and as always are upset that yet again the ungrateful Colonials have improved upon something the British considered quite entertaining. I hate to say this, but how American would cricket, bangers, and blood pudding be?? Still a Steelers fan, even after the betrayal of Neil O'Donnell, Jason
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I mean, we all know that almost every Super Bowl is nothing but a huge blow-out! Why do we Americans get so excited about it? The first quarter is the only worthwhile part; that is when the obvious winner is being determined.--Saulot--
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I just took a look at the Mission to Mars preview that's going to air during the Super Bowl (well, not DURING. I don't know how happy Titan fans would be if, right in the middle of a goal line play, Brian DePalma's ego demanded that his movie's trailer play NOW!). Its a great preview --intense, exciting, and leaves you wanting more. And, contrary
to what some people have been saying, it doesn't look a thing like DePalma's version of 2001. I downloaded it from Dark Horizons, and they got it from the official Mission to Mars website. Take a gander.
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American Football is the crappiest thing I have ever had the misfortune to watch.
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Baseball rules. In re Football: Parity Bites. Also, please don't tell me there's going to be Talkbacks about the freaking commercials and halftime show.
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First, my prediction Titans will win 34-21. As for soccer its one of the worst sports that has ever been played. Just a bunch of pansies that coulnd't make it in football if they tried. As for the guy that was talking about Steve Young and his touchdown passes.....who cares that is over as is his career. Hell, the 49er's are over, Heh one of the worse teams in the NFL. Those of you that don't like football, what do you like, no wait let me guess.....Tennis, Soccer, no wait Water Polo, or is it some other loser sport. Oh well, the Bowl is starting gotta go.
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I guess you have never played soccer. It's a very tough sport because you have no protection what so ever. I understand if you have only seen MLS, but see a game from the English Premier League and you'll wish that you were not among those players. There are actually more serious inhuries in soccer than any other sport in the world and I guess that says something about it. Take football (though I really like it as I said), there are a lot of injuries but the players are so well protected. They are not in soccer so I guess that a comment like that is because you don't know anything about the game. And tennnis. Sure it's not a tough sport but you have to be in a fantastic shape to be a high level player. And this shit about how tough a sport is is really stupid. If you like a sport that's enough. And soccer... well, I guess three billion people can't be wrong. Or maybe you think you're an omnipotent?
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Harry, you know I love you. But for someone who constantly makes fun of pot-smokers and speaks of them in extremely stereotypical terms, you certainly arent ashamed to brag about all the alcohol youll be drinking today. Just because a drug is condoned by the lame-ass establishment doesnt mean its any less of a drug. Happy tokin'!
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They used the 1939 film by Victor Fleming to hawk their shitty product. It was awful. It was almost as bad as Gene Kelly dancing with a vacum cleaner or John Wayne selling beer. I fucking hate this country.
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Soccer...the real football
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Yes, I have seen soccer from England, and to be honest I'm not really impressed. Just because football is played with protection doesn't mean that it isn't a tough sport, and at least with protection the players are able to have longer careers.
As to being omnipotent thank you for the compliment, but your trying to be the same by saying that 3 billion people watch and enjoy soccer....somehow I doubt those figures. Anyway here in the U.S. football is the #1 sport, and it will remain that way hopefully for years to come.
If people like soccer more power to them, and I hope that they get as much enjoyment from soccer as I get from FOOTBALL.
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Saw the commercial. Looks great. Could do without the kidrock music, though. Can't wait until it comes out.
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Same Kid Rock music and intercut with football sequences?? But aside from that, the scenes from the movie look BAD ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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well those figures are actually correct Vindrow. Half of the world's population will name soccer as their favorite sport. And the last time I checked 3 billion is the half of the world's population.. so it's not wrong but of course it also means that 3 billion people wouldn't name soccer as their favorite sport if that will make you happy....hehe
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It's at the official site. The same thing goes for the M2M commercial.
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IT ISN'T FAAAIIIIRRRR!!! TENNESSEE WAS ROBBED! THEY WERE THAT %$^&*$#@ CLOSE!
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pretty much sucked this year. The movie commercials did their job pretty well (though I still want to see the U-571 trailer posted online with the chorus music, damn my dysfunctional computer), but the normal ones stunk. I caught 4, saw the final frame of the M2M ad (though I downloaded it this morning so it doesn't matter). I was trying to tape all the film commercials, lost my heart, went half-assed, so I only got U-571 and Gladiator (and yeah, the first thing I thought when I saw it was Any Given Sunday, well actually that was second. I first thought it was a football nostalgia ad until I turned around and BOOM! a hellavalot of fun come May). Nutty 2 looks good, that Titan A.E. trailer rocked, were there any others? Did M:I2 make an appearance? Don't think so, but if it did.....
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Though I can't watch it tonight because of school tomorrow (someone get me out all I can think of is bombing the place and I am NOT joking), I saw during the opening credits that Lee Tamahori directed tonight's episode of The Sopranos. Haven't seen any of his films, though I've heard about Once Were Warriors (and he also has the Along Came a Spider job).
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I was told that there was a clerks commercial for the animated series? IS this available online?
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It was the animated series! It looked okay, animation was kind of weird....but COOL!
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And it seemed like 90% of the superbowl commercials were internet ads! What's up with this?
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was I the only one who liked the 'cat herder' commercial? oh yeah, and the ads fot Titan AE, Mission to Mars (not M2M, as someone called it... I'm tired of the catchy little acronyms for 'blockbuster' movies, sheesh, cut it out already. Our country is already lazy enough, now we can't even speak complete words?) and Gladiator looked pretty hot. Except for Mission to Mars... I don't know... it looked kind of choppy and just plain aimless I guess it just didn't do it for me. And I didn't know Kid Rock was so popular with the populi... Oh well. I had already heard that there wasn't going to be an X-Men trailer so I wasn't expecting it, and I wasn't disappointed. Neither was I pleasantly surprised... Overall a bad Superbowl for movie previews and commercials in general. OK, that's my 2 cents, spend it as you will.
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Oh yeah... I forgot Nutty Professor 2. What does that tell you? And yes, the Chris Reeve commercial was pretty creepy... but I almost cried... Superman Walks!
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DAMN IT!!! What was it, whah happened, please, someone tell me, I didn't see it (and I guess we didn't get our preview episode either, though I'd already heard the series would start in March and March alone). Those pictures that have been posted were cool, and the series could be funny as hell if ABC lets it live past three episodes (fat chance, but here's hoping).
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I was disapointed in the commericials this year... Where were the Good ones? I got an idea where the x-men went after reading that dark horizons mention about the film. But what about MI2? Remember when the commerical for CLIFFHANGER came on the superbowl a long time back? 92! That was the greatest commercial for a movie I've seen! They just don't give them the time anymore! Did like the cat cowboys though... I felt like alot of those dot commercials were over my head! Go Figure!? So when will we see the REAL commercials?
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I have to say that ABC has definitely scored the worst coverage ever of any sporting event. Starting with the Hank Williams/Bon Jovi/Wynona/etc. crap of an intro, to Steve Young sounding like a bumbling idiot, right to the end. You would hope that better coverage would go with such a great game.
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Dammit. Shit. Fuck. More gratutious cursing. Great damn game. As a fucking Titans fan, I'm pretty fucking disappointed. Shit. I hate being on this end of it. Congrats to the damn Rams.
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Its not a catchy acronym made up by talkbackers, it was on the damned teaser poster, you friggin idiot!!
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Hatchetman: I LOVED that "cat herder" commercial. Probably my favorite one of the bunch. The trailers were good; I almost pissed my pants when the "Gladiator" spot came on. That movie is shaping up to be every bit as incredible as I'd hoped. Was pretty blase about the "Mission to Mars" spot; the thing looks and sounds like a "2001" ripoff. As to the game itself: I didn't start out rooting for ANYONE. As a Houstonian, I felt a faint tugging at my loyalties from the former Oilers; but since practically nothing of that team is left in the Titans I didn't really care at first. The first half was embarrassing, but I found myself cheering for the Titans after all when they came roaring back in the 3rd and 4th quarters to tie St Louis. It was a sight to behold; maybe they were spurred on by their injured player. Even after St Louis waltzed to another touchdown, I held out hope - Tennessee got THAT CLOSE... Dammit. Still, Super Bowl XXXIV ended up to be a remarkably good game. Talk about nail-biting, at the end.
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are that this was fun to watch. My friend said it best though: If it weren't for the game, this would have been a sucky thing to watch. The commentating TRULY sucked. Boomer Esiason was boring and predictble, and Al Michaels can't carry the event by himself. If ABC's going to continue carrying the Super Bowl, somebody please arrange for them to pay FOX some money to get John Madden and Pat Summerall to commentate, for all our sakes.
And speaking of ABC, who the hell was directing the cameras. They were biased SOBs for sure. Case in point: The had only shown Titans QB Steve McNair's wife once at the begining of the game. OTOH, they showed Rams QB Kurt Warner's wife 11 TIMES before they finally decided to see how Mrs. McNair reacted. And when the time came to show her, they couldn't find her. ABC had spent so much time hyping the Rams family, they'd lost her at a critical period when the Titans were about to score. I'm a St.Louis native and was rooting for the Rams, but damn, enough. This established their supreme suckitude on national television. Still, I really like this Super Bowl. Anybody who's complaining about this not being an SB because Dallas or San Fran didn't make it isn't a real football fan IMHO. It's nice to see new teams come up and play for the big trophy instead of having the Hulk Hogan Cowboys or the Macho Man 49ers be handed the championship and having their asses kissed each year. Both teams gave a good performance especially in the second half and neither has anything to be ashamed of. I haven't enjoyed the big game this much since Giants vs. Bills in '91. I did enjoy the movie ads though, especially GLADIATOR and TITAN A.E. The promotional ads sucked whale dick though. I like the Mountain Dew ad with the lion and the E*Trade ad "Well, that was two million dollars we just wasted." -
goddamn many internet commercials, they all quickly bleed together and I ended up unable to tell one from another. Surprisingly, I thought Titan A.E. was the best movie ad; the dickcheese that thought up borrowing the ad campaign from Any Given Sunday for Gladiator should maybe look into asking Kurt Warner if he could put in a good word for him at that supermarket he was working at five years back. As for the game itself, hey, we all know the real truth: The Rams might have gotten lucky with more points on the board and the trophy in the end, but the real champs on that field today were clearly the Titans.
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the last 5 minutes of play was the only part worth watching. My old highschool football team played more proffesionally(and we sucked) The trailers were cool though. GLADIATOR trailer, comparing well paid athletes to slaves forced to fight to the death, looked great, but was in really poor taste. U-571 looked kickass and even if it skimps on accuracy, it might give some of the MTV generation an interest in WW2. MISSION TO MARS trailer looks great but showed too damn much.
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By the end of that Mission to Mars trailer, and they had mention the secret of Mars, I was like "too late.....we already know it"...that was a little more than the audience needed to know, but the images were just so cool that they overcame my disappointment.
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Ha! I always wanted to say that.
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That's just as bad... Or even worse. It assumes that we won't be able to remember the name of the movie... We should boycott movies that try it. he heh
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Oh yeah... I watch football occasionally, but I don't really follow it religiously. I have to say that this was just about the most exciting, engaging game i've ever seen. I rooted for Tennessee the whole time because I saw their game last week and I rooted for them just off the cuff and they won. Silly, I know, but it worked for me. And yes, I thought the Titans were the real heros of that game. They didn't win in the end, but they gave it everything they had. That reach at the end of the last play... That was frickin heroic, man. And on the subject of movies, yes, i thought the Titan AE trailer was the best I saw last night. And as much as I loved that cat-herder commercial, I can't for the life of me remember the name of the dot-com-pany that made it. I could ramble on aimlessly for hours... but luckily for us all, I won't.
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epidemic.com pays you to send email. it sucks because every email you send must have their ad in it.
also, what's this about Titan AE being great. it sucked! the only good commercial was the 2 million wasted ad, done by e-trade. -
"Well, we just blew 2 million dollars." I laughed my ass off. :) -Dan
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...You can't go wrong with tap-dancing monkeys. Nice job, e*Trade. That "high expectations, low budget" concept was the best of them all. I for one am sick of these fucking cliche "inspirational/motivational" Dot-com ads. At least a few companies were being satirical: Microsoft's ad for "e-business" during the pregame was good ("Well, um, good question... We feel... e-business will bring a... new world of, um... Good question...") Most of them could just suck my sac. Especially that one with the two suits in the airport terminal. It's also too bad that none of Budwiser's ads were quotable. After all, we have to suffer with these things all year. (Like 7-Up and those fat asses... Dear Lord...)
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The game was actually good enough for me to stay awake for the commercials... *it's a miracle!!*
I loooved the game. There were WAAAY too many dot.com commercials...The trailers weren't that good either...Kid Rock?...ummm, no.
I liked "the cat herding" commericial. But the Christopher Reeve commercial, though making me feel all sentimental, kinda creeped me out as well...The graphics weren't as good as they could have been (I guess they spent all their money on the time-slot). Also the fact that it was an investment company didn't help. -
I'm gonna start a betting pool on how much cocaine was used in the planning of the halftime show. A group of not-really-related singers, a giant figure of... well... SOMETHING dominating the stage, puppets with night-glo dreadlocks, a huge dove, giant mothlike creatures, an orchestra dressed entirely in white.... okay, I give up, what in blazes was this all about?! It's like the Philip Glass holiday play in the SOUTH PARK Christmas Episode. Poor Edward James Olmos must've felt like he was catapulted back into BLADE RUNNER. Insanely overproduced and pretentious, almost a satire of a halftime show. Aren't these things supposed to be FUN? It reminded me of a recent FRASIER episode where Frasier had to come up with a short jingle for his radio show and created a huge production number featuring a god-knows-how-many-pieces orchestra and a choir.
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ARGH!!! Did everyone miss the point of the halftime show.. they did even explain it to you.. They had some of the puppets and the music from the Millinium Celebration at Walt Disney World. They actually have a *Wonderful* parade each day at Epcot with thoes puppets called Tapestry of Nations. Oh..and I loved the Cat Herders commercial and the M2M.
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The thing is, it took itself far too seriously. And let's face it- giant idols, glowing puppets, flying moth thingies are not things that should be taken seriously.
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Clearly, American football reigns supreme over soccer. Soccer players usually end up as punters and kickers in the NFL, Like mascots that get to play once in a while.
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Feb 01, 2000 6:52:40 AM CST
In a gun obsessed country .. your fav sport is one which has hea
by bunny
American football = Rugby for wimps (i.e. Americans)
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Listen up everyone, especially those looking for the X-Men trailer. 90% of the time trailers are 100% better than the movie itself. Think about it, everyone (including myself) was jizzing when E1's trailer was played on MTV. From the pics I've seen of X-Men, its cheese. Too bad, because I know Singer is a good director.
So, don't get hopes up for movies, because everyone on this sight just ends up bashing them, and in reality, there is nothing they can do to ever change how the studio system works.
As for sports. Super Bowl was a great game. When ever the score is close, it's always a good game.
As for wus brits, kickin' around they're stupid soccer BALLS, why don't you try to hit a round ball traveling 90 miles an hour and curving with a round bat, squarely.
Don't judge a sport by the violence, judge it by it's difficulty. An by far, baseball is the most difficult (yet basic).
Anyone can boot a soccer ball, not everone can hit a baseball.
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I live in the Uk and I don't give a shit about soccer or football, but when it comes down to it, i'd rather watch a game where it's not interrupted every 5 seconds ie. soccer.
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Hockey is the best sport by far. fast, smooth, powerful, fighting is part of the game, if few penalties the game goes on continously. thank the gods none of the normal teams were in the super stupidity, like the bastard cowboys or broncos, 49ers, its refreshing to have weird teams NO ONE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED. thats the whole reason to play, but who cares anyway. NHL RULES
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(Whoops, hit enter instead of tab, sorry!) WHAT!?!?!?!?!? No Bud frogs/lizards/ferrett????
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As former tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs, I can honestly say that was the greatest Superbowl ever. Although I missed most of the great plays during the game due to the fact that I was busy pleasuring various women, what I saw was fantastic. Oh yeah, and the capital of Nebraska is Lincoln!
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So Hotspur thinks soccer is superior because its players don't use protection on the field. Well, let me point out to you that intentionally hard body contact in soccer is disallowed, yet it is the essence of American football. Bottom line: soccer playing pansies DON'T NEED PROTECTION!!!
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Having spent a better part of my life playing football, my understanding of the game is more than casual. Football players are no different than anyone else with the exception that they are more often than not true team players. They rely on one another more than anyone can imagine. My experiences in college were sobering. To see a teammate's leg get snapped in two and all he can say when they carried him off is "don't let them beat us," or to nearly collapse in 100+ temperatures and the entire team cheering you on to continue something as seemingly meaningless as after-practice sprints... or for a black player to go to a fast food place in a small town and to be confronted by white hillbillies and a teammate (who is white) takes hold of a chair, knowing it's just the two of you against the ten of them... these are what football players and team sport athletes are about. They are their for one another. And if a group of men are so fortunate to make it to the Super Bowl (the biggest, most watched televised sporting event on the planet) and if any of you are so fortunate to live in that town when it happens... let's just say if you were a part of that you couldn't find a negative word. When the Rams won that game Sunday, St. Louis (a city primarily segragated by race and class) came together as they never have before. Blacks and whites, rich and poor... they were embracing one another. At the championship rally Monday there were no riots, as in other cities. There was no car tipping, no broken windows... nothing. Over 300,000 people gathered in below freezing temperatures until nightfall to congratulate these men who believed in one another enough to do what only a select number of teams have ever done. A lot of people (including some in here) could use some of what the Rams (and Titans) had to go that far. It's a shame that people can take something potentially good for so many and piss all over it especially without a clue of who these men really are. I happen to live in St. Louis and near a number of players. I see them almost daily in our neighborhood Borders bookstore and almost every weekend at local movie theaters. I actually ran into Isaac Bruce in my grocery store and he's a very friendly guy, and Torry Holt at the hospital after the NFC Championship game. Though he had a bruised lung from that game and had a plane to catch to Atlanta, he was open and friendly and appreciative enough to stop and thank us for all our support. These are just a few things I see almost daily, not to mention the local charitable contributions these guys have made (without expecting media attention for it). I'm sure some will agree with me, while others will throw out more crap. That's okay. It just goes to show you... some people aren't happy unless they AREN'T HAPPY!
I apologize for the lengthy comments, but as T.S. Elliot once said "I didn't have enough time to write a shorter one."
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