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Digital Bits Reveals The First Four Remastered STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION Episodes Headed For Blu-ray This Autumn!!

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Buried in Bill Hunt’s Tuesday Digital Bits column:

In other news, we've gotten a bit of clarification from our sources on CBS's in-progress Star Trek: The Next Generation - Remastered Blu-ray sampler disc. The disc will include FOUR episodes, two of which will include Encounter at Farpoint, Parts 1 and 2. We're told that the other two should be The Inner Light and Sins of the Father.

“Encounter At Farpoint,” of course, launched the series and was swimming in low-grade special effects in dire need of updating. If I’m not mistaken, male Enterprise crewmen could be spotted cavorting about the corridors in Starfleet minidresses.

The Picard-centric “Inner Light” was for my money the single best episode of the series. If spoilers don’t scare you, you can see a promo for it below.

“Sins of the Father” was a Ronald D. Moore effort about Worf trying to clear his father’s name before the Klingon High Council.

Find all of Hunt’s story on the matter here.

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  • Sept. 9, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Yayyy, TNG Blu! Does that mean it's going to be priced

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    $500 per season? Damn Paramount animals treating us Star Trek fans like our money grows on trees.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST

    I've been watching TNG over again, skipping a few early season eps

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    But for the most part I haven't had to skip many. I thought the show was still pretty solid that early on...

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I miss that promo music

    by slder78

    I miss new episodes of TNG as well. There was just something special about TNG that no show airing today matches.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Sins of the Father

    by yneway

    I believe that 50% of the time I decide to stop and watch an episode of TNG on BBCA it's this episode. The other times its one of the Unification episodes.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Male Minidresses

    by This_talkback_is_on_CRAZYPILLS

    It seems some people who may pruport to be fans still don't get what makes that show special. You're supposed to look beyond your current ideological boundaries of 'normal' and try to accept something different as being just as normal in that context. It's supposed to stretch your mind. Sorry to sound harsh.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 11:04 p.m. CST

    It's going to take forever if they do the entire series.

    by CCon99

    Hope they do though, the Blu Ray's of TOS were incredibly lovely.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST

    i'm guessing the full series will come next yr or 2013

    by Bouncy X

    i doubt they'd announce this and have just started working on it. wouldnt be surprised if they've been doing this for the last year or two. think they'll go all lucas and digitally update the borg to match their movie/future series looks? :P

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 11:11 p.m. CST


    by ReportAbuse

    Just kiddin'.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 11:26 p.m. CST


    by Dollar Bird

    I forgot Ernie Anderson did the voice overs for those promos. How I miss his voice and the way he emphasized certain words. "Next time, on Staaaaaaaar Trek: The Next Generation." Or the ever classic "On The Looooove Boat." These days everyone just wants to be Don LaFontaine. No one makes anything fun anymore.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Well hot damn

    by magnetoelectric

    Never thought we'd see the day. I need me some Chain of Command two parter on Blu tho

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Very suspect about the video quality..

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Wasn't TNG mastered on 1" video? If so it means that these likely won't look as spectacular as TOS, which was shot and presented on 35mm. Maybe there's some way to soften the harshness of video, particularly with some of the exterior effects shots on the first couple seasons.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 11:55 p.m. CST

    1" video masters?

    by Junior Frenger

    They are going to use the original 35mm film they shot the shows on. Rebuilding the episodes from those elements. Anything else would be a waste of time, money, and updated FX work.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST

    we'll never get seasons

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    This is highly anticipated but who's gonna buy 4 episodes? Most will just hold out for season sets, in which case this sampler won't be a big seller and Paramount will figure the time and money isn't worth doing all 177 episdoes because obviously Bluray buying aren't interested I know it sounds dumb but it's how home media divisions of studios work

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 12:13 a.m. CST

    check this out

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

  • Whatshername was actually a stronger foil for the captain, but her acting style was too old fashioned. Still plenty of good episodes there. Seasons 3-6 were pretty dam great, and most of those episodes still hold up. In fact, i would argue that the middle seasons of TNG feel less dated than most of DS9 and Voyager. Not sure why. My guess: Picard and, to a lesser extent, Data. Only Spock holds up as well as those characters.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 12:22 a.m. CST

    I work for a large library in DC

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    It's one that you've heard of. I'm an audiovisual preservationist there and I've talked with engineers who worked on the show. We have original standard def 1" masters of the episodes. The effects work was done on video so the masters - even though interiors were shot on 35mm - are on video.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Library of Congress?

    by ReportAbuse

    That's the only large one in D.C. I've heard of. I mean, of which I've heard.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 12:33 a.m. CST

    I'm skeptical.

    by hadrion

    Correct me if im wrong... Its not impossible, but having to re-edit every episode from scratch is no small task. I would venture they're doing a really good up-conversion from the SD masters. TOS had the advantage of essentially being edited in HD (film). TNG was shot in HD (film), but was edited and mastered in SD video. This makes HD VERY difficult because the shot film would have to be re-scanned and then re-edited. Further, any Effects shots were never film, but SD video, so they would have to be re-created or scaled.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 1:10 a.m. CST

    the DS9 episode on the TOS season 2 Bluray was just upconverted

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    It still looked better then TV or DVD but I think Paramount figured they can pull a fast one and just upscale SD masters and the public won't complain I mean Lucas changes entire scenes in his film and that set is already posed to be the biggest seller ever, why wouldn't paramount take their flagship franchise and pull a fast one for some mega bucks

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 2:39 a.m. CST

    The TNG pilot episode was crap though.

    by KilliK

    It took some time for the series to become the classic masterpiece that it is regarded nowadays.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 4:31 a.m. CST

    TNG is "my" Star Trek and I can't wait for the remasters

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    I will totally buy the preview blu ray despite Encounter at Farpoint's alleged lack of quality. I can't believe that next year is the 25th Anniversary of its first showing!

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 5:17 a.m. CST

    I don't get it....

    by DVaderRIP

    To be honest, from a creative point of view I don't really understand why they're doing this. Sure there were a couple of dodgy moments in season 1 & 2, but other than that the effects, in the most part, hold up pretty well. I completely understood the TOS enhanced editions, and I thought by and large they did a great job. But this.... clean up the picture, sure, but why do the FX need redoing exactly???

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 5:44 a.m. CST

    And watching that now...

    by DVaderRIP a bit cringeworthy. It's nothing to do with the sets, or the FX - it's got everything to do with the camera work, and the dialogue.

  • He couldn't write for shit, and he had two ideas - another world developing in parallel, and man arguing with god. That's it. That's all he had. Berman may have driven it into the ground in later years, but Roddenberry was no better. I *loved* this show, but in the first season you can see Roddenberry's paws all over it. Anyway, this reminds me how gorgeous Tasha was. Christ I wanted to bone her. Still do.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Image Quality...

    by That_MacReady_Thing

    Obviously there is a big question mark over the source material the BlueRays are being created from. Is there an offical word somewhere that the show was shot on film and not tape? Because as has been mentioned there is only so much that can be done with masters that are tape.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Too expensive

    by donkey_lasher

    Remember the first DVD box sets? They were about £70 each. These days the same sets would go for £20. I liked TNG, but it really shows its age now, mainly in the first couple of seasons. It started to hit its stride towards the end of the 2nd, and just was awesome for so long.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 6:56 a.m. CST

    My new Blue Ray player is hungry

    by Nerfee

    and demands to be fed. But if this set costs the earth, I will let the fecker starve.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 7:06 a.m. CST


    by DVaderRIP

    I must admit I thought the first couple of seasons were done on tape, but maybe I'm wrong. My biggest doubt is what they want to do with the FX. I genuinely don't see a problem with most of the work, aside from a couple of dodgy miniatures - there's nothing like the scope there was for the Original Series. If they want to meddle, I would suggest some minor editing work to the first season - starting with Encounter At Farpoint. But that's it. BTW - such a blessing that in this interweb fuelled age, we can instantly see Denise Crosby and Marina Sirtis naked :)

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 7:27 a.m. CST

    I refuse to replace my DVD's

    by donkey_lasher

    Thank god for DVD upscalers and High Def TV's that reduce the picture size.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST

    The Inner Light

    by gooseud

    Still one of the most haunting eps of any show I've ever seen. Just trying to wrap my mind around that this day, still haunting.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Watched Farpoint the week it premiered. Thought it was HORRID!!!

    by BoyNamedSue

    In Sept. 1987, I didn't have a lot of hope for this new version of Star Trek and figured it wouldn't last very long....thank goodness it got better!!!!! It still doesn't make sense to include this one in the Blu-Ray.

  • Or maybe not, since being behind the 'news' seems to be the rule instead of the exception these days. Word's been out on the web for ages now. 1947 productions has a series bible, pilot script, treatment for a series finale, 5-7 year story arc, characters, ship designs for a show they are pitching to Paramount for a new Trek show, set AFTER Voyager/Nemesis set in the original trek continuity including Enterprise (so everything but the Abrams movie which should please most people) Apparently they've done an unreal amount of prep to go in and really knock Paramounts socks off. Just looking to lock in an Executive producer. Google: David Foster new star trek series if you don't believe me. I think the best part about it is: set AFTER voyager in the same continuity. It is definitely time for the story to move forwards.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST

    George Lucas and TNG

    by That_MacReady_Thing

    Can you imagin if Lord Darth Lucas got his hands on these remasters of TNG. I wonder what he would add/remove/alter? What would be the worst/funniest in your opinions? Removing all Klingons head ridges to make it fit with original continuity. ha Actually it makes you pleased with the good job they done with the Original Series Remasters. Isn't that pretty much what everyone wants from the Original Star Wars.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 8:29 a.m. CST

    I just rewatched all of TNG this spring

    by Rebel Scumb

    There are 'better' shows like The Wire and Mad Men and whatnot, but I don't think there is any show I love more than TNG. I've been going through DS9 afterwards but don't have the coin at the moment for seasons 6 & 7 so had to take a hiatus after 5. I decided to download Enterprise as its the one trek show I'd never seen (aside from the series premiere, the series finale, and the 2 part mirror universe episodes) I finished season 2 of that, and have to say I actually quite enjoyed it. Its not nearly on the level of TNG or DS9, but I love the overal Nasa aestetic, the stripped down technology, the very real sense of exploration and the characters being in awe of the new frontier, more so than any other trek where by then the characters are 'pfft, another supernova, who cares' The black helmsman guy is a pretty bad actor and his character is paper thin. Hoshi and Malcolm don't get a lot of material but make the most of what they get, but T'Pol, Tripp and Flox are all great. Archer is sort of hit and miss. It feels to me like the writers fell in love with Tripp, and its sort of weird that the main hero of most episodes is the engineer. I think with a bit more tinkering they should have just made Tripp the captain, but given him Archers backstory. Than had a different engineer, someone with a lot of character. If they'd done that, and the helmsman had been a bit more compelling I think it would elevate this series 10 fold. But objectively speaking, removing nostalgia and differing time periods and geek loyalty and what not, I'd have to say I enjoy Enterprise as least as much as TOS (which has some great episodes, but about 2/3rd of the series is pretty forgettable). Enterprise is never a 10/10, but its a pretty consistent 7/10 in my books, much like SG1 & SG:A were. But I'm not counting the TOS movies when I say TOS, the movies are seperate entity to me, which I love almost as much as TNG & DS9. Okay that was long winded.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST

    @ Rebel Scum

    by Brandon Dillard

    Don't waste your breath reb, I tried to alert everyone here on the David Foster story last week, nobody cared. Apparently Foster is nothing but a fan boy, and this will never happen/is a fanboy pipe dream according to some folk here. I hope it does though, sounds good. I want my TNG blu's now please!

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I had a crush on Troi before i knew what boobs were

    by sunwukong86

    I grew up on TNG and it ended before I hit puberty.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb


  • Sept. 10, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Why not more effects-heavy episodes?

    by NeoMyers

    "Encounter at Farpoint" isn't a bad choice simply because it's the pilot and the effects need an update. But why not something like "The Best of Both Worlds" or maybe even "Cause and Effect"?

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST


    by Voice O. Reason

    w00t w00t!!!

  • Not really eager to BUY it as if they are done well (the TOS sets certainly were!) than I'm just going to end up buying the cull seasons anyways.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST

    But this should be a HUGE leap from the dvds.

    by Rebel Scumb

    Since it's not only a matter of the compression on a dvd vs the storage capacity of a blu-ray disc. But more importantly that the dvds were just made from the analog master tapes, and thus subpar quality to begin with, where as the blu-rays should be made from HD scans of the original 35mm film negs, which is a picture quality of ST:TNG that has NEVER been seen before.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST

    re: But this should be a HUGE leap from the dvds.

    by That_MacReady_Thing

    The issue no one seems to know though is if the TNG episodes were shot on tape or film. Compression would increase the quality for sure, but if they were only shot on tape there is not alot that can be done. We need to figure out what they were shot on.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Can they get rid of the "blue cling" on the left hand side of the screen?

    by Kentucky Colonel

    What was that about, anyway? It was on the Columbia House cassettes (2 episodes at $25 I miss disposable cash) and even some of the DVDs I've watched so far. Why was the left hand side of the screen always baby blue? It's driving me CRAZY!!! 25 years...damn!!!

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    $25 per tape, I mean

    by Kentucky Colonel

    1 tape, 2 episodes, $25. Times how many episodes? And I couldn't give them away today, not that I would. Thank God I didn't get M*A*S*H from Columbia!

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    There... Are... Four... Lights!

    by thommcg

    Give us Chain of Command damn it!

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST

    How it was shot

    by ByTor

    TNG (and DS9 and VOY) was shot on film. There is no doubt about this. It was MASTERED on video, and the fx were done on video. So in order to do this, they're going to have to scan the film masters and re-edit the episodes. This is a much more difficult undertaking than TOS was. As for why they are re-doing the fx...they HAVE to, because many of the fx, as I said, were done on video. If nothing else this should fix the horrible frame-rate issues that the show has (film work shot at 24 progressive frames/sec, fx SOMETIMES shot at 60 interlaced fields/sec). Looking forward to seeing the results.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Rebel Scumb

    by ByTor

    The David Foster thing is a non-story. CBS isn't going to have any interest in a post-VOY series. First, neither VOY nor ENT were ratings blockbusters themselves. TNG was successful as a syndicated show, but the world is a different place now. Syndicated shows (scripted ones anyway) hardly exist anymore. And Trek has NEVER drawn well on an actual network. Second, the franchise's eggs are in the J.J. basket at this point. But they won't do a JJ-verse show because they don't want to dilute the movie franchise. At best you might end up seeing some kind of animated thing (Orci/Kurtzman have mentioned this) for Saturday mornings, but that's it. In any case, even if none of this was true, the Foster thing would STILL be a non-story because nothing's been bought. Hollywood is full of energetic guys who assemble teams and make pitches, and 99% of them go nowhere. Reporting on them would be silly.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Saturday Morning Cartoons?

    by Kentucky Colonel old are you? I thought I was the only one to remember those.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Encounter at shitpoint

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    Shame they are bringing out EAF as 2 of the eps as this pilot was the worst of the new trek shows, the other 2 eps are pretty cool though. Wont be buying the series till season 3 though.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    rebel and bdilly: David Foster's a NO STORY! Just fanboy's dream!

    by wtriker1701

    He's visited the sets of DS9 once, having met people like Rene Auberjonois. And he put it on his resume, proclaimed he had made input to two of DS9's stories... uncredited and unnoticed though regarding The Interwebs... There is nothing on earth that will let networks like CBS think, he'll get his "pitch" through... it will simply not happen, no matter how loud one's shouting it out at Las Vegas Conventions. There's a slightly chance for JJA's team to pitch a new series, a slightly better chance for them to pitch a new animated series. That is something one can imagine... Really, both of you, don't hold your breath for this Foster series going to happen... Hold you breath for answers in the Whoniverse! I hope, we'll be takin' away by this BluRay release of TNG. I can't fucking wait for Mid of december... what a birthday present... no matter how old I'll be and no matter how weak EaF is (and always was and will be). TIL and especially SOTF will be a great reward! And next year, we'll get SFX heavy episodes... lecker, lecker...

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    The Inner Light -- no only the best ST:TNG episode

    by ATARI

    But one of the best SF stories ever told on TV.<br>

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Season 1 of TNG -- no chemistry between the characters

    by ATARI

    Stewart was good, but the interactions between the other characters was stiff.<br> <br> By the end of season 2, things we're starting to come together with the characters (and probably the actors, too, which ends up showing on the screen).<br> So that leads us to seasons 3-7, which had way more hits than misses. I remember looking forward to watching each week back in college.<br> <br>

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Lucas would no

    by BoyNamedSue

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    dvaderrip is spot on

    by SmokingRobot

    Pretty much everything in TNG that's crap is from Roddenberry. Everything that's decent came from David Gerrold or Bob Justman. Oh, and the first two seasons were 95% crap. It wasn't until Gene's health started failing seriously and he stepped back (third season) that the show became worth watching.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    What we have on DVD now...

    by skydemon

    are transfers from tape. It's very obvious on a large screen TV. The picture quality is horrible. I'm excited about the news of TNG Blu, but I don't see them selling cheap. As much as I would like to own all 7 seasons on blu, it will be difficult to justify spending a mint on them. It all comes down to what they can actually deliver, and for how much. So I'm curious to see the trial disc.

  • And the story was very Season Four-ish.

  • That would be an acceptable change.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    ST:TNG is streaming in HD on Amazon Prime

    by ATARI

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Who fucking cares NG sucks we need TMP Directors on Blu

    by picardsucks

    The Next Gen looks terribly dated and the ultra leftie take on Trek is so nausiating. Kindergarten on a fleet Battleflagship, a physchiatrist sitting in on all the critical meetings as well as next to the captain on the bridge helping him make tactical decisions in battle? And a ship that looks exactly like the inside of a Holiday Inn Express. WTF We need the Robert Wise Directors edition of TMP on Blu, further refined for a digital transfer Next Gen fucking sucks

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Just to further clarify...

    by Roveache

    From a quasi-insider: All of TNG was mastered on video, yes, but every single element was shot on film...including and especially the VFX. There was no CG early on, so everything had to be shot practically, but then composited on SD video. So it's expensive, yes, but all they'd need to do is re-composite using all of the original elements (assuming they can find them all). I'm sure everyone will have opinions...myself especially!

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    The Inner Light

    by chuckmoose

    is one of TNG's best episodes. That trailer is all wrong for it, it's hilarious to see them take a slow, thoughtful episode and promote it is as action/adventure .

  • Just read that the flute from Inner Light sold at auction for like 50 grand.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    why dont they add tinman!!!

    by brandon midgett

    It is by far the best episode of the series.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST


    by ManosTHOF

    We need the Robert Wise Directors edition of TMP on Blu, further refined for a digital transfer. Hell yes. Love TMP, and the sound mix alone on the DC is a quantum leap.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Well Picard? How many blu-ray discs

    by Juggernaut125

    <p>do you see comprising all of the first season episodes?</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p>THERE ARE... FOUR DISCS!!!</p>

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    @picardsucks: TNG looks dated, really?

    by sunwukong86

    I've been watching TOS on Netflix over the summer and it looks terribly dated. Dont get me wrong I enjoy it, but TNG is nowhere near as dated as TOS. From the 1960s haircuts to the treatment of women on the show, to the sometimes laughable VFX. The only thing that's really dated about TNG is its VFX.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    The sets on Next Gen look like a Holiday inn Express lobby

    by picardsucks

    At least on TOS they have a utilitarian feel Next Gen sucks balls. Glad the NuTrek wiped it from the timeline

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Yes we do, before the Leftie shitfest that was Next Gen

    by picardsucks

    The only problem was that the restored effects were not shot in Hi-Def so they would have to either be upscaled and cleaned up or reshot entirely

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    for the tmp directors ed

    by picardsucks

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Skeptical about the video quality

    by Mattman

    I don't see how they can improve on detail that isn't there. But I'd be more than happy to be wrong.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    picardsucks Abrams's Trek didnt wipe TNG from the timeline

    by sunwukong86

    Abrams's trek is an alternate timeline, duh.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST



    Another name to add to the list of AICN 'cunts' ...

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Video Quality

    by Junior Frenger

    What about them scanning the orignal 35mm film don't you folks get? The quality will be fine. More than fine. I imagine most of the naysayers will be quite shocked. There is not a snowballs chance in hell that they are using the standard def masters for blu ray. From a financial standpoint rescanning the 35mm film and adding new FX is a no-brainer. How else are they supposed to continue to make money of TNG in a high definition landscape?

  • Why not just wait to put out the season sets, unless the purpose is purely to double dip into consumers' wallets?

  • ...again? This happened with the Original Series and everybody loved it. Now it's happening with the Next Generation, and everyone's okay or finding excuses for it at least. Pot, please don't call the Kettle a racist.

  • It's a good 'everybody wins' deal. Netflix pays Paramount of money to have all the trek shows on their roster. Paramount takes the cash and uses it to bankrole this extremely money/time consuming process of restoring TNG so it can go to blu-ray The HD version will also be available on netflix as part of the contract they signed. If the TNG blurays turns a good profit, they can turn that money around into giving the same treatment to DS9, etc. Fans win out with a (hopefully) high quality product. Netflix and Paramount laugh all the way to the bank.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by skydemon

    LOL, I can't argue with the opinion that the Hollywood liberal approach to life was clearly being shoved down our throats in TNG and continued throughout the spinoffs. I didn't care for that either.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Is there anything gayer then ST:TNG?

    by Lucky13

    I remember when that show was on while I was in grade-school. Yech. Picardsucks is right... every time I would flip that show on, it was filled with leftist propaganda bullshit. Not that I knew what it was at the time, but it just felt 'lame' and pussified. I never liked any ST, so I'm obviously not the target audience. But man, that show just made me feel like a sick-day whenever I skimmed by it. I can understand/respect the love for the original Trek show, it's just not my thing... but TNG? Fuck. It's like PBS made an after-school special series for mildly retarded adults.

  • Hell hath no fury for a SW fanboy motherfucker scorned.

  • they have said lots of self-contradictorial shit about the movie. It's a paralel universe but it's part of the continium. Basically, they are doing a lot of ass pulls to justify the retard ill-thoughout bullshit they made. Bullshitting on bullshit.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    inner light is good if you dont think about it

    by robamenta

    Ive never understood the passion some have for that episode. its kinda good untill you think it through...why would there be a flute on board the satelite that was transmitting? how could they people who programmed it know that someone from earth would take to playing the flute in their virtual could picard NOT be furious for the folkes he shared this alternative life with? at the end they all showed they were keeping this information from Picard for decades while he slowly went mad and finally gave up trying to escape...thats picard who gave do that they would have to cause serious breakdown in his character, and at the end he loves them?? fuck that..they tortured him. he should be furious

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    TNG got good after Riker's beard happened.

    by davidwebb

    But not because of it, I'm not that way inclined.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Nope, it got good around the time the men got the two-piece uniforms.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Riker's beard was all through season 2, the worst year of the show, IMO.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    The cloths made the show, hem?

    by AsimovLives

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Three crappy episodes and one good one

    by Bodhizefa1313

    I love Blu-Ray and I love TNG, but there's no way I'll buy this just for Inner Light. Far Point is a mediocre episode (at best) and almost all of the Worf/Klingon-centered eps are beyond boring (to me, anyway). They should have gone with a Data episode, Inner Light, and the Picard/Borg two-parter. That would've sold a shit-ton of discs.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    I agree its a weird selection. I wonder what their criteria was.

    by dahveed1972

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Never gonna let it go, eh asi?

    by dahveed1972

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    lucky13 you fucking pratt

    by DVaderRIP

    What a load of bollocks. The old notions of political left and right no longer existed. On top of that, you seem to be equating 'left' with 'caring about people', and right with 'let's kill some Klingons' - such a simplistic view indicates you really don't deserve to be commenting anyway! The whole point was that Picard had the benefit of both viewpoints - the security chief, and the counselor. He could then weigh up the options, with the first officer taking the devils advocate role, arguing the viewpoint he felt his captain was not likely to take. If you didn't understand how that dynamic worked, you're the one who's mildly fucking retarded.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Fuck The Inner Light.....Zzzzzzzzz

    by ZodNotGod

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Now if only HBO would pony up for a The Wire Blu-ray

    by Rebel Scumb

    The piss poor quality of the dvds for seasons 4-5 is ust shameful. And much like TNG the show was shot on 35mm but transfered to video for post production.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Simply put - remasters needs to go back to film source

    by wash

    Otherwise the whole thing is pointless and a scam. Fuck an upconvert that looks barely better than what decent home equipment can do already.

  • Also, too quick separate the saucer section.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Picard was kind of a dick for the first series.

    by davidwebb

    Watching those eps now, he's pretty unlikeable. After seven seasons though, he's easily my favourite captain. And yes, the two piece uniforms heralded the beginning of the good series'.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST

    I am not clear on this.

    by WeLiveStill...OrNot

    Does "remastered" mean they are going to clean up the film? OR... are they redoing the f/x like they did with TOS?

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 8:33 p.m. CST


    by WeylandYutani

    My understanding from other sources as to why why TNG has not been released on BR is because even though the live action material was shot on 35mm film and will transfer well to 1080p HD, the effects shots need to be redone from scratch so that they will match the high def transfer. At the moment the original TNG effects were shot and rendered for NTSC 480i screens, so the image will look very soft and washed out when displayed on an HD set. My guess it that the process will be similar to the work done on TOS BR editions.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Marina Sirtis's chesticles

    by DVaderRIP

    I just think it's important to give them the focus they deserve - they were definitely serious candidates for the sweetest pair of titties on prime time television. Those pretty little boobies comfortably sustained me through the dry patches of my teens, and were responsible for the filling of many socks. As incredible as Jeri Ryan was, given the choice, if I could only take one Star Trek babe, I'd gnash my teeth about it but in the end I'd take Marina.

  • I haven't seen anything that officially says this. Yeah, the FX were done on video, and will look like crap on BD. But all I've seen is speculation that they will do updated digital FX ala the TOS release. I have my doubts, as it would not only be a huge undertaking (there's probably more FX shots in the first season of TNG than all 3 seasons of TOS), but it would also wreck some of the beauty of the series, especially for season 3 and beyond when they started using the much more detailed 4ft model for shooting.

  • Might be my favorite bit of television scoring ever.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST

    The Inner Light...

    by Jaka still referenced in the books all the time. That episode had extremely long legs. Great episode, for sure, but the Klingon eps were always some of my favorites. The bond they established between Picard and Worf was unlike any of the other characters on the show. And going back to the books, Worf is not the First Officer on the Enterprise. The geekiness of it all makes me smile.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    The rest of this stuff was discussed ad nauseum...

    by Jaka the last few Star Trek talkbacks, so I really don't have much to add (or the strength to make the same arguments all over again so soon). I will say again, though, owners of the Trek, bearers of the Trek name, pay attention to these talkbacks. We KNOW you're in here, we're just not really sure you actually process what gets said.

  • Let me let you in on a little secret: David Foster, whoever the fuck that is, is not the only fellow who's prepared a new Star Trek bible. A number of people I've actually heard of, including Bryan Singer, Bryan Fuller, William Shatner and Jonathan Frakes, have Star Trek TV pitches in their desk drawers as well. Plus it helps to remember that at least four people behind the Star Trek movie -- J.J. Abrams, Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof -- all have extensive experience as TV series creator/showrunners.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 10:17 p.m. CST

    The first two seasons seemed kind of "stiff"...

    by eddieVroom

    ST:TNG, to me, seemed to really hit it's stride in the third season. Ping me when Best of Both Worlds gets released. I expect this to be clean enough that we'll be able to read the nonsense filler text on the panels from time to time.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    dvaderrip...Agreed about Marina...God Bless GreekBrit Bitches...

    by conspiracy

    Sure..Jerri Ryan, and Joleen Blalock are arguably "Hotter", but they are for the most part manufactured bodies. Plus...something tells me they wouldn't put half the effort into sex as Marina would...that Greek blood would get boiling and your cock would never be the same. I've read some interviews with Marina....and she seems a randy wench and a good sport. I bet her giant natural milk jugs would be as supple in the hand as a goat skin wine bladder and twice as intoxicating, unlike the hard fake, but still amazing face holders of Blalock and RYan. Marinas natural curves would fit natural to the hand, hands sinking into the soft flesh of her ample hips and you sunk yourself waist deep into her fleshy gyro, her massive feta vats swinging violently as she pushed herself upon you, as though Aphrodite herself were alive within the tight confines of her Hellenistic flavored honey vat. Am I getting carried away again?....

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Hellenistic flavored honey it!

    by Carl's hat

    Classic stuff. Still, Joleen Blalock is hands down the hottest piece of yum cha to ever appear on Trek.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 11:17 p.m. CST

    ROFL @conspiracy

    by KilliK

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb said it best....

    by gotilk

    (in his assessment of Enterprise and his suggestions for improvements that could have been) How many times have I said that now, rebel? 10? Are you my long lost twin or something?

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Some of TNG's best episodes were...

    by MurderMostFowl

    as a result of Gene Roddenberry getting older and unable to have so much creative control. Look at all the episodes from the season... so many of them are retreads of TOS episodes ( I don't blame though for dipping into that, you had to build the fan base ) But later starting around season 3, you start to see roddenberry take a back seat, and some really brilliant episodes start coming out.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 11:20 p.m. CST

    dahveed1972 ... criteria

    by MurderMostFowl

    I'm guessing these were episodes with a minimal amount of effects ( of course Farpoint isn't but it's the first episodes right? )

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 11:24 p.m. CST

    face holders

    by gotilk

    Had to laugh out loud.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 11:38 p.m. CST


    by WeylandYutani

    Your last paragraph is one of the funniest things I have read on this site in months. Gawd my stomach muscles are sore.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 1:28 a.m. CST

    My two personal cures for insomnia:

    by themikejonas

    Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and "Encounter at Farpoint." Even as a Trekkie (with the same Trek-based handle for 15 years now), I still can't get through either of them without dozing off.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 3:06 a.m. CST

    hercules, that's a poor excuse for not doing your job

    by Mattman

    Cut the snark and start reporting TV news. THAT'S your job. Snark is not.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 3:08 a.m. CST

    junior frenger, it was not filmed on 35mm prints.

    by Mattman

    It was filmed on very low resolution video.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 3:25 a.m. CST

    How This Is Done, People

    by William

    They were shot on 35mm. The 35mm neg (all of it, every take and angle) was then transferred to 1" video, and at the same time the separately recorded audio was synced. The director then edited the episode, on video, in some professional post-production house in L.A. with some really good editor. 35mm neg>1" video transfers>1"video master. This is the way its been done since the early 80s. Seinfeld was 35mm and transferred. Lost was 35mm and transferred. Home Improvement Because they were cheap, and it looks it. There ARE edit lists that match back to the frame numbers on the edge of the negatives. To redo this for 1080p you would have to pull ALL the neg shot for an episode, re-transfer it at 1080p (really at 2 or 4k if you don't want to do it again), and then re-edit the episode. And find the audio. And re-sync that, too. And re-composite your effects shots. That cost would be nearly impossible for them to recoup. Polished-up 480i is all there will be.

  • to transfer and show them in a digital/analog video? I suppose the video looks better that way,but if that's the case does the picture quality justifies the extra cost of the film?

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Question: widescreen or not?

    by photoboy

    The episodes were all filmed 4:3, and while a certain amount of open matting and stretching the image will help (see the scene in Ten Forward at the start of the execrable These Are The Voyages from Enterprise), it's not going to be possible to get a 16:9 image out of the footage. I know with TOS Remastered, Paramount did a 16:9 version by chopping the top and bottom of the picture off, so maybe they'll do the same for TNG, but the height difference in scenes were Picard is in his chair and Worf is above him could mean some scenes are awkwardly framed. As for the choice of episodes, Encounter at Farpoint has always been a favourite of mine. In fact just recently I've been really enjoying seasons 1 and 2. They've got such a unique feel to them, before Berman really started to turn the bland crank in later seasons. In fact of all the seasons, I know think season 7 is the worst, as it has some of the most dull and awful episodes ever, like: Liaisons, Dark Page, Masks, Emergence, Phantasms, Inheritance, Homeward, Sub Rosa, Thine Own Self, Eye of the Beholder, Firstborn and Bloodlines. It was painfully obvious the A teams were busy working on Voyager and Generations during season 7. It's a real pity they couldn't have sustained the quality for one last season before calling it a day. That's not to say stuff like Parallels, The Pegasus, Pre-emptive Strike, All Good Things and a few others weren't good to excellent, but even All Good Things is marred by the fucking ridiculous pairing of Worf and Troi. I'd love to see season 7 re-cut to remove all mention of Worf/Troi...

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Resistance is futile, Number One!

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Best line ever! At times, this show was perfect tv. Never bettered, and only equalled by BSG and Rome.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 6:52 a.m. CST

    But BSG was still the best series ever ;)

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    and "Prepare for turbulance" the greatest line ever uttered. With "Thirteen!" being being a close third.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 7:01 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    but last you mentioned the SInger, shatner, Frakes pitches had all come and gone years ago. And while Foster may not be a big name, neither was Ronald D Moore when he came onboard trek, the guy had never sold a single teleplay before that, and in a few short years he was one of the top guys. Damon Lindeloff had done next to nothing and ended up showrunner of Lost. There are plenty of 'stories' that get coverage on here based on much less substancial information. The pitch exists, and there are people looking to pitch it. The original article itself indicates that the other main guy working on it passed away and they are seeking a new Executive Producer to be the one to present it to paramount. I can only assume this will be someone with a bit more of a name than Foster himself.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 7:04 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    Perhaps twins indeed. Criticisms aside of Enterprise, I do think this series gets undo flack from fans. This show is (in my opinion) ten times the show Voyager was, which lacks a single truly engaging character.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 7:08 a.m. CST

    cinemascope53 is right about the process, but...

    by Rebel Scumb

    My understanding is this will be full 1080p, they ARE re working everything from scratch, the reason being: a) They know these discs will sell, trek is a reliable product for the studio b) All the overhead is covered because of the money they recently got from Netflix.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 7:12 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    My TOS blu-rays are all 4:3, no 16:9 refit was done as far as I know. Personally I would love to see them filling all of my 60" plasma, instead of having the black bars at the sides, but I imagine they'll stick with the 4:3. It would be great if at least all the space exteriors were wide screen. Sort of like how the aspect ration changes in The Dark Knight whenever the Imax footage kicks in.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST


    by DVaderRIP

    lol face holders - you made my day with that one my friend! Damn right - Marina would put twice the effort into sex that Ryan or Blalock would. Gorgeous as they are, they would both just lie there like a dead fish - Marina would be gyrating round on your cock like a spinning top! The only TNG-era trek woman who I think would rival Marina would be Terry Farrell. She might not have the curves, but she'd sure as hell engage in the process :)

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    I adore Jadiza Dax

    by Rebel Scumb

    Definitely my all time favorite Trek woman. The spots really add an extra level of sexiness to. But more than anything it was her confident, just one of the boys demeanor that made her so loveable. Plus she's gorgeous.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST

    but apparently not enough to spell her name correctly

    by Rebel Scumb

    silly me

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Time to find a Chinese supplier again

    by NoahTall

    I buy all my Trek dvds from China. Every other series I have is purchased through normal channels but I just can't bring myself to pay more for just one season of a 20 year old series than for four seasons of an ongoing series.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    LMAO @ dvaderrip

    by Lucky13

    I really don't care about this show. I was mildly interested in the hi-def transfer from a technical standpoint, because I remember people mentioning way back that TNG would be difficult to remaster due to the video masters/FX. But Picardsucks comment rang true when I saw it... the show, from what very limited memories I have (really more of a gut feeling then anything else) was very leftist and silly. And boring. Preachy might be a good word for it. Sorry I got your blood boiling, I usually try not to troll around the TB's. But that Picardsucks comment just happened to ring a bell for me, even if he was just trying get on all the fans' nerves. I'm sure you hate some shows/movies/music that I enjoy.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Rebel Scumb

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    Just how long have you been living in self-delusion land? Pardon the rest of us if we don't go along with it.

  • are you referring to his discussion of Enterprise, which actually did have some decent moments (and I agree with a lot of the assessment), or his comments about Jadzia Dax? I don't think it's self deluded to say she's gorgeous. As to being his all time favorite Star Trek woman? That's his opinion, and he's entitled to it. Other people might prefer other women, but that's personal taste, not anything to do with self delusion. <br> Or are you talking about his posts stating that the HD versions will be 1080p and that they are working from scratch? <br> <br> Sometimes, a little specificity can go a long way to helping people understand what you're actually referring to.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Yeah, the leftist propaganda of ST:TNG was neverending

    by locke815

    and hilariously hypocritical too. We need to impose a warp-speed limit because ships are destroying the universe. BUT of course they overrode the warp-limit every episode afterwards. Religion is a stupid, pathetic crutch for the narrow-minded, BUT we will have tons of episodes extolling the beautiful religions of all these alien races. Let's all embrace Worf's beautiful religion of honor but laugh at the goofballs who think Ardra was providential to their planet. The prime directive says can't interfere in the lives of these people we discover BUT nearly every single episode involves interference in the lives of people they discovered. Yes, we're all civil libertarians until, oops, we need to fuck your planet up to save our officer who's down there. We shouldn't make fun of people for being different but, ha ha ha, look at these backwards aliens and their stupid personality quirks. Reginald Barclay, what a dunce! But we're not judgmental in the future. We should embrace a society without classes and one that loves equality but, in an alternate timeline where Picard becomes a lieutenant instead of a captain, well that's just pathetic and embarrassing and useless and shameful. In other words, the cream DOES rise to the top and this is a GOOD thing. Ditto the Borg. Supposedly collectivism and socialism are the hallmarks of the Federation but the main villain is a collectivist, socialist villain? The Federation ought to love the Borg... it makes every equal, everyone the same. No prejudice, no inequality, no injustice. Yeah, whatever. Star Trek TNG was only fun because it was the only game in town back then. You take what you can get.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    dahveed1972 - but

    by DoctorTom

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I also read somewhere that theyre using Netflix money for the revamps

    by dahveed1972

  • Still, I liked both series despite that. I thought that DS9 had the best ensemble cast of all the Star Treks post-original series. <br> (sorry about the false entry before - spastic finger accidentally hit the enter key)

  • the money would have to be coming from somewhere, and not just by bilking people out of money by issuing these 'sampler' discs instead of just putting out season sets.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST

    makes sense murdermostfowl.

    by dahveed1972

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by photoboy

    I should clarify that I've never seen the 16:9 versions of TOS, I've just heard they're available to TV stations that don't want to broadcast in 4:3. So it could just be an Internet rumour and they don't actually exist. I do like your idea of having the space scenes in widescreen, I think that would be really cool.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Hmmm interesting

    by Rebel Scumb

    I wonder if they converted it both ways but it was easier on the blu-ray to just do the 4:3 aspect for some technical reason.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I may very well be delusional, but I'm not psychic, I'll need you to clarify in terms of what in particular I've said that's offended you.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Thanks doctortom!

    by Rebel Scumb

    You summed that up pretty well.

  • I just dont think hes a very good actor. He sort of had an overbearing staccato delivery that i couldnt get past completely. That said, I think the show took ST in a (at the time) desperately needed new direction. I thought the rest of the cast was fine, even the whisper thin doctor (they toughened him up a bit over time). I also enjoyed the Cardassians as foils, as well as the Founders etc.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    dahveed re: sisko & DS9 vs B5

    by Rebel Scumb

    I really like Avery Brooks as Sisko but I completely get what you're saying. For all the hundreds of parodies that have been done of Shatner's weird cadence and speaking rhythm over the years, Brooks has an equally bizarre manner of speaking which does not get the same attention. As for B5/DS9, I agree the similarities are countless, but as far as I understand the 2 shows bore no anomosity towards each other beyond a friendly rivalry, and since I like both I've never considered it an issue. But I know it is definitely something that divides a lot of geeks into 2 camps.

  • I mean, take away the hot chicks from Voyager and Enterprise and what are you left with? Harry Kim, thats what.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by Roveache

    Okay, one more time: Almost ALL of the visual effects in TNG were shot on film using practical elements, then they were composited on video. ALL they need to do is re-composite in HD. And yes, this is exactly what's being done. Stop debating this back and forth. It's going to look awesome, and it's exactly what the original vfx people shot (not counting the possibility that they can't FIND some of the elements). Now everybody stop pretending you know what you're talking about. I'm certainly not getting fired over this, but they're doing what they're doing.

  • are all moot. What has always made or broken a Trek show (in my books) is getting together a good cast with good chemistry and good characters to work with. Voyager had a great premise, but for all the many reasons it was bad (in my opinion) the one I could not forgive was the lack of interesting and engaging characters or charismatic actors (again my opinion). That's why even the worst episodes of TNG are immensely watchable, because the cast just shines so much that it makes for enjoyable viewing. When and If a new show launches, the main thing they need to focus on is locking the perfect cast like TOS, TNG & DS9 did, and coming up with some really good characters for them to play.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    That was always my understanding of it. And a lot of those shots of the enterprise, that HUGE model they built still hold up remarkably today, especially the two big hero shots of it in the opening credits. The ship looks as big and heavy and fast as it's supposed to, you can see little people moving in the windows. its as good as the star destroyers look in ESB & ROTJ. And because it's pre-CGI it has that great solid look to it. I agree that it gets frustrating with people still arguing about how this was all done in the first place, when the info is all readily available.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    rebel scum

    by Roveache

    Yes, high quality ship models shot on expensive motion control rigs on 8-perf film. Most of the cheesy FX from the early seasons were a result of the compositing equipment they had to work with. Once they get into redoing the full series, it'll be interesting how they tackle some of the weirder fx. Nagilum anyone? But to reiterate, anyone who loved TNG will be pleased with this. Still, why did they choose THESE episodes? The pilot's a given, and it's pretty fx-heavy actually.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    I knew Inner light would be one of the 4.

    by Rebel Scumb

    Just because its considered by so many people the best episode. But yeah, on a visual level not maybe the first episode people would jump to. I am curious about Negilum and FX like that as well.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I'm also curious about the frame rate in the episode 'Identity Crisis'

    by Rebel Scumb

    For some reason all the scenes shot down on the planet look like they were shot on video or maybe had some kind of PAL conversion or something. It's the only episode of the series like this, and it's only scenes on that set, but its ALL of them. It might have had something to do with the FX work as well because Geordi recreates the planet on the holodeck and rewinds and pauses and whatnot the video record.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    You and me in Japan, watch me dance.

    by Yamato

    Shoot the god damned juice! I used to run a soup kitchen in my pants. I'll give you some soup and woo you after. Come on over. We'll put on Zeppelin and eat cheddar cheese. I'm not a racist, but I don't like Alaskans. Double bullshit, nice tits. Yes, I'm afraid DJO has ruined TNG for me forever.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    dahveed/Harry Kim

    by Bodhizefa1313

    I am not a big Voyager fan (and I never got beyond the first season of Enterprise), but the Doctor from Voyager was a fine character. But overall, yes, the characters in those two series were pretty damned mediocre.

  • So there are exceptions i guess. For the record, I thought Scott Bakula was an inspired choice for captain when they announced the new show. I dont think that anymore.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Robert Picardo is a good actor that's true

    by Rebel Scumb

    and he brought a lot to that character so I'll give you that. I had forgotten about him.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    @mattman. RE Shot on 35mm

    by Junior Frenger

    Yes, it was shot on 35mm. Do some research before chiming in here like an ignorant douche. Your quote: "it was not filmed on 35mm prints." only exposes your ignorance of film/video post production. so please don't comment on things you don't have even the slightest shred of knowledge on.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    Mattman's a good guy, no need to resort to insults. That's not called for.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    roveache, cinemascope53, rebel scum

    by WeylandYutani

    It remains to be seen what they are doing with the series exactly. Roveache, I am not saying you are wrong, but there a lot of technical problems in addition to just the visual effects. It may also be that CBS Television Distribution not only wants to use the existing effects elements as they are, but they may decide to modernize what was shot back in the 80s and 90s... adding camera movement ect. This means recreating many of the viz like what was refreshed with the OT. A hint of the issues they are facing was outlined at Vegas Con at a panel discussion that I attended which is outlined here: Further, while ships etc were created and shot practically for TNG, many were detailed only to the degree that they would be passable knowing that the output would only be 480i. A case in point: When it came time for ILM to do work on Generations, the Enterprise D model was reworked with more surface detail to be acceptable for filming and projection on 35mm. While 1080p is not the same resolution as 35mm the original version of the Enterprise D which was shot for the TNG series may not stand up to scrutiny on an HD transfer. So again, they may have to rework any effects viz using CG. Cinemascope53 outlines the problems in an earlier post very well... all of the negatives, even from the live action material, will need to be scanned and then recut and mixed - not just the effects work. So there challenges that are more complex that just finding, scanning and recompositing just the effects shots of the series. Whatever the end result, I am sure they will do a good job. From the reworked OT episodes I saw, for the most part I liked what they did a few years back... while I would have preferred to see the original effects (bad ones and all) I understand the refresh for the need for the Bluray release. The same applies to TNG BRs.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by Junior Frenger

    Whatever... he continues to talk out of his ass like he knows something he obviously doesn't. Something that would take him 3 minutes on Google to discover.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST


    by Roveache

    ...OR you could believe what I'm saying. Don't make me violate an NDA here. Not over a stupid internet argument...I like my career too much.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    When do you call it a day?

    by donkey_lasher

    After collecting all of your favourites on VHS, then having to replace them with DVD, and now replacing THEM with Blu Ray? We're a few short years away from Ultra High Def, and already getting 3D. Jeepers. Anyway, I loved TOS for what it was, and TNG was great viewing on BBC 2 when I was a teen. I never got into DS9, but wish I had, as I hear it has a lot of smart character turns and space battles. Voyager I watched most of, and liked it, because the characters were more desperate and COULD blow other ships up just to get past them. Enterprise is vastly underrated, but still a lesser show.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I know there are a bunch of shots of the ships, especially in the first 1-3 seasons that are clearly just still photos of the ships, with the star field moving slightly in the background. and those for sure could use a facelift

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I've often asked myself that. I think for me blu-ray has been a very satisfying medium. I'm not really into 3D, and certainly not for home viewing so I don't care about that. Most of what I have now I doubt I would need to upgrade in the future (but who knows) for comedy shows like The Office I just go with dvd instead of Blu-ray as the picture quality does not make the jokes any funnier, and quite frankly I see an Office every day in full 'HD' when I go to work :p But yeah, I'm not really sure where it all ends. For that matter for the studios either. 30 years from now will they be restoring Star trek again to look even more modern?

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST


    by AstroNerdBoy

    On one hand, I'd love to have a truly HD TNG series with updated special effects like TOS received. On the other, I don't think this is what will be done and I don't think it will be more than the DS9 episode that was released as an extra on the TOS Blu-ray -- an upconvert. Well, my Blu-ray player "upconverts" DVD's already so if that's all the TNG release is, then I'll just keep my DVD sets, thank you very much.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST


    by WeylandYutani

    No argument, merely dicussion. what you have said may be correct that they are going to go back to the original effects negatives and only use those sources, but so far the only guy that has covered the technical problems in any detail is Cinemascope53. I am sure you will agree, the problem with your statement is that you claim to have a non disclosure agreement. The problem with that statement is people who have NDAs generally don't easily admit that they have one. Generally they don't say things like "Don't make me violate an NDA here." They just don't talk about it period. But who knows, you may be on the team that is actually doing the restoration work. All I am pointing to is that there are multiple sources, not rumours, but direct quotes from CBS Television Distribution reps on this issue and they expand somewhat on what you are saying.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    I had a thing for Tasha Yar, Tori, and Dax! The Prime Directive and kids???

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Hell later on I added the Major, too! Those were some fine ass bitches! BTW, why did SF allow officers to have their kids aboard the Enterprise on TNG??? If they were seeking out new worlds and blah, blah(it was still a military ship, right?) wouldn't keeping the kids on Earth be a smart move? The separation of parents/child is done in military in real life but why not on TNG??? It made sense...a little on DS9 because it was a space station. Even though that station was subject to religious and terriorists attacks! I dunno if I would have a kid of mine living up there but each his own. My thing is the Enterprise on TNG was always subject to attacks because SF(or was it Picard?) gave lame excuses to the Prime Directive all the time. You think the parents would be more piss at Picard for killing their kids. I said killed because when someone attack the Enterprise it was sometime stated how whole section of the ship was breached or sections damage and CASUALTIES REPORTS! Picard was a murderer of children and hid behind SF bullshit policies of the Prime Directive!

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by WeylandYutani

    I yes I remember some dodgy shots like that too. No doubt due to budget constraints at the time. But the issue may be worse than that in that even the best motion control shots of the Enterprise might not hold up on a higher resolution format... especially if the series is remastered in 2k or 4k because the model was never designed to be shown at a higher output res than 480i. At the time there was no market, post initial run, other than TV syndication. But we will see. Roveache claims that there will be no changes to content other than remastering... even the poorly done stuff. I respect that. like many, I am not a huge fan of the changes made to the Star Wars films over the years. However, I don't mind restoration and cleanup work like what has been done with Vertigo and Lawrence of Arabia. TV restoration is a bit of a different beast due to its relatively poor broadcast resolution. In addition, a lot of TV was never meant to be kept after its initial airing, so restoration can be more difficult for use on the HD format. But considering CBS is saying that the restoration issues are actually more challenging than what they encountered with the OT, it will be interesting to see was they actually end up doing.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST


    by WeylandYutani

    My guess is that the Starfleet missions were not 6 month cruises like on and Earthbound navy, but were five year missions or longer because of the huge distances traveled. I suppose that is why whole families along for the ride. Star Trek also seems to make the distinction between a ship that is on a combat tour vs federations ships that are primarily doing science and exploration. Granted, it is an awkward point of continuity in the series.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I agree that the inclusion of children, most especially Wesley

    by dahveed1972

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Crusher, is probably the sillies and most dating aspect of the show.

    by dahveed1972

    They Enterprise is almost destroyed (and actually destroyed a few times) every week. Makes no sense. See: Wesley Crusher. I guess they wanted to appeal to their 30 and 40 something parent demo. And their kids.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    sorry. dam phone. typos. end transmish....

    by dahveed1972

  • ...when there was a fad in TV shows for portraying 'analysis' and such. Star Trek has always projected a right-leaning, free-enterprise (no pun intended), interventionist model of statehood. The United Federation of Planets simply could not be mistaken for anything other than an analog of the USA. Roddenberry originally pitched TOS to NBC as 'Wagon Train To The Stars' - A spacegoing iteration of the old pioneer show. That pretty much sums up the spirit of Trek and, IMO, explains it's enduring appeal. Trek is best when it doesn't stray too far from this model.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST

    dahveed1972, totally agree about that boy-wonder

    by Nerfee

    Was Wesly the first annoyingly precocious screen-sprog of the modern era? Why do so many shows and movies have kids who are unnaturally bright or witty. Kids are idiots. I was an idiot. All my friends were idiots.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Trek did make distinctions about the ships when it was convenient.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    But like you said, the Enterprise was constantly being sliced, attack, taken over, losing power, wreck, and destroyed(repeatedly in one story). Shouldn't they re-classified the Enterprise as a warship and get those kids off the ship??? Think about the Borg boarding the Enterprise, slicing and taken out sections and you have to wonder why kids were allowed to be onboard the Enterprise. TOS never had this issue. NO KIDS on TOS Enterprise...I think? They were adults who explore. And any aggression at least didn't make us assume kids were being harm on the Enterprise. I think even Voy had no kids, right?

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    All the official word has been that its a full restoration, that's why its taken this long, and Paramount needed to be coaxed by that huge multimillion dollar deal with netflix. If they were just going to upconvert the dvds like with that tribbles DS9 episode they would have released these ages ago. The inclusion of the DS9 episode on TOS blu-ray was just an extra thrown in as a bonus feature, I wouldn't use that as any indication.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I would say that in the worst case scenario if the model work doesn't hold up they would just redo all the space shots with CGI like they did with TOS. Personally I think that some of the more elaborate shot elements, the negs of the enterprise and what not will probably not be an issue with holding up. I'm hopefully they'll be able to perserve the model work with that. If not they'll do CG for everything, but likely utilize multi angle to include the original FX work like they did with TOS.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    There are better episodes, but most looked good to begin with.

    by Nick Michalak

    "Encounter at Farpoint" is one of the worst episodes ever. I tried watching it again recently, but I couldn't get through it. However, I understand why they would go with it. One, it's the pilot. If they are going to go through with the complete series, they've gotta get the pilot done first. Secondly, and more importantly, it has the most primitive effects, and would show the biggest improvement with this HD upgrade project. Now, "The Inner Light" has never appealed to me. I'm never enticed to watch it, and so, I never do. "Sins of the Father" is pretty good. I'm a Klingon fan, in the most part. Plus, I believe it won awards for the Klingon homeworld matte paintings and set designs. In terms of quality episodes, they could do better, but episodes like "The Best of Both Worlds" looked GREAT to begin with. Definitely better than the usual TNG episode. Paramount wants to demonstrate a vast UPGRADE in visual quality, and they need to find episodes where such enhancements are greatly obvious and impressive. Of course, that begs the question of why "The Inner Light," which is a very light on visual effects? I'd sooner take "Tapestry." I think that's a far better Picard-centric episode with excellent chemistry opposite John de Lancie as Q. Definitely one of my favorite Star Trek episodes. Still, if they want a better episode than "Farpoint" where a vfx upgrade has maximum impact, I'd suggest "Where Silence Has Lease." A very good episode in my opinion, and it being early season two offers fertile ground for a visual effects enhancement.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by DVaderRIP

    There were only really two characters in that show - Seven, and the Doctor. That's it. Everyone else was a cardboard cutout. Harry Kim in particular was a fucking joke. This is a man that turned down casual sex with Seven of Nine for NO APPARENT REASON. This was a man who was replaced with an alternate reality duplicate, a fact that was NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN, and amazingly it didn't matter. He was a total non-character, a fact that Garrett Wang himself has moaned about ever since the end of the show. Most of the other characters on the show didn't really matter either. You'll notice I didn't mention Janeway.... that's because she was purely a plot device. She would say, or do, anything to move the plot of the week forward, regardless of whether it matched with her previous behavior. TNG was just like SG-1 - a fantastic show, near flawless at it's best, that spawned spinoffs that were at best flawed, and at worst poorly written travesties.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    junior frenger... shit man, I didn't know that

    by Mattman

    I was sure it was low res video. And that response was completely uncalled for. You could have simply pointed me in the right direction.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST


    by Nerfee

    Rick Berman himself admitted, on the usbject of Killing off Kes, that she wasn't the least popular character according to audience testing. When I read that ST Monthly, I just knew he was talking about Harry Kim. Btw, in the episode 'Non-Sequitur' Harry had a chance to stay back on earth with his hot fiancee, but he declined. 'Course he did.

  • Excluding whatshernames tits. And, to be fair, the doctor on that show was also decent.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    I saw the premiere of First Contact in San Francisco and...

    by dahveed1972

    ... during the credits, everyone cheered after each cast member's name floated onto the screen. When LeVar Burton's name came up, everyone was like "Eh.." simultaneously. Then the whole crowd cracked up. I remember i actually felt bad for him like he was in the audience or something.

  • And then he meets her in real life and things are quite a bit different. I read somewhere they get married eventually in the books.

  • And to be fair, Burton was hamstrung acting-wise, by that dam visor. I wonder if he begged the producers for "bionic" eyes at the end of each season.

  • I always liked their friendship, and how LaForge would let Data know if he'd gone too far.

  • Not cheap.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST

    I loved LaForge, but you don't have to take my word for it!

    by MurderMostFowl

    da Da DA!!! Now how many of you have the Reading Rainbow song stuck in your heads? Goooooo on... admit it!

  • Ron Moore didn't break into show business by masterminding a new Star Trek series. And Damon Lindelof wrote a ton of "Crossing Jordans" and "Nash Bridgeses" before he got the "Lost" job. If the Paramount guards allow David Foster on the lot any time within the next two decades, I will not only publicize this fact in my column, I will personally mail you and David Foster $5 each for your trouble.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 12:37 a.m. CST


    by Nerfee


  • Sept. 12, 2011, 1:17 a.m. CST

    isn't david foster a pop music producer?

    by abe

    What? is celine dion going to be the next captain of the enterprise. all gay musical all the time.

  • Did someone already cover the aspect ratio of the BD releases? Sorry, I'm lazy.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 5:22 a.m. CST


    by DVaderRIP

    Absolutely - it just didn't make sense at all. Nothing about that character made sense, he was just a total waste of oxygen. At least Janeway had a personality - even though it changed from week to week! One moment she's all 'prime directive', the next she's ignoring the entire federation rulebook just to get another 10k light years further. Seven and the Doctor were the only things that kept people watching - and the sad part was, Berman assumed that the reason people hung around was for Tits and Ass, rather than because of a well written, consistent, character. So we got more Tits and Ass in form of Jolene Blalock, along with more total non-entity characters like Mayweather, who was the very personification of a token negro. It was as if Uhura never existed.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Fair enough re: Foster

    by Rebel Scumb

    I guess we shall have to just wait and see what happens as far as any series' in the future.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 6:09 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I agree about Geordi being the most human. I saw an interview with Burton where he was complaining that Geordi's sex life was so dismal compared to everyone else, including Data. But I always thought was one of the most interesting things about his character, he was a genius who was totally inept with women. The one where he attempts to seduce the real Leah Brahms is just a cringeworthy scene (in a great way) of a guy who just totally does not have a clue what appeals to women. In most tv shows its just a given for the men to be a hit with the ladies, the commander riker types. Hell even George on Seinfeld had a new hot babe every week. I thought it made Geordi a lot more interesting and distinct, instead of just being a black Riker.

  • He grew up on the ranks thanks to the fact he's very talented and came up with many brillant stories.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 7:04 a.m. CST

    this_talkback_is_on_crazypills - Your point is?

    by The StarWolf

    As a science fiction fan I do get the 'Star Trek is trying to explore different mores and conventions. But as a hetero male, the ida of males in minidresses while women wound up in long pants ... nope, doesn't work for me.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 7:05 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    To quote from BATMAN BEGINS, Never. No, i'll never let it go. I got this close to make a new one. i was going to say that JJ Abrams was going to reboot TNG in his own fashion as he did with Abrams Trek, and this time young Picard would be depcited as a nerd described as a stack of books with legs. Because, like Picard is always quoting Shakespeare, how can he not be a nerd? Forget what was established in canon. Abrams seems to have a lot of trouble teeling the earlier years of Picard and Kirk apart. I almost got to write that. But i didn't. Even I know restrain.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Blu-ray only?

    by The StarWolf

    So ... no season sets as with the original series? And no DVD version of the remastered? I'll pass.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 7:09 a.m. CST

    THe two piece suit was the begining of The Picard Maneuver.

    by AsimovLives

    Called such due to Stewart being very concious how the suit wrinkled and looked bad on camera, so everytime he standed up, he would very casually pull down the top part and straight it down. And it worked! In fact, i also use my own version of the Picard Maneuver everytime i stand up on the T-shirts i wear. And it works. Who knew Star Tek could also teach us fashion tips? What a show!

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 8:32 a.m. CST

    I miss this show

    by jimmy_009

    Going through Voyager now on Netflix. Makes you appreciate how good TNG was.

  • Her role in TNG fits perfectly Spike Lee's description of this archetype,which is a shame really if we think about how groundbreaking TOS was in its time for its racial diversity and the introduction of a black character in the tv (who ironically enough,the actress of that character possed as a role model for the actress who played Guinan). It's this kind of things that you miss in the first time,but later you start noticing them after being informed by people who point them out.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Now if they'd only do B5

    by Chad

    It seems to me B5 would be easier to transfer to HD, as it was the first show to shoot in widescreen--at least the live action shots from episode 1, season 1 onward (the pilot was standard). I heard JMS say at one point that Warner Bros. threw away all the computer stuff for the effects shots, lol. But it seems that nowadays it would be a lot easier to recreate them, as well as cleaning of composite shots so the live action elements don't look so damned fuzzy in contrast with the simple life action shots. Yes. It would be very interesting to see what could be done with a project like that. Many of the shots on DVD look very cinematic, way before widescreen had made it to any other shows. Putting all the elements back together using modern effects shots would be worth the money. If this TNG thing works out, Warner Bros. would have to be morons not to at least test a few episodes of B5. But they have been morons before, so I won't hold my breath.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    "low-grade special effects"? No.

    by YackBacker

    ILM helped build the initial FX library for TNG and the crew did top-notch FX work for its time. Compare it to any 1990s FX-show and TNG was top of the list in quality. And don't give me this "Well, by today's standards it wouldn't hold up" nonsense. That's an irrelevant issue. Reading ignorant commentary like that is aggravating.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Guinan was NOT a 'magical negro'

    by Jake Pantlin

    I know where you were going with this, but it's wrong in this case. Yes, she was a character played by a black actress, but Guinan was an alien from another world. She is suppose to be about 600 years old when she joins the Enterprise-D. It was implied in Generations that some of her "powers" came from her time in the Nexus (being able to percieve things that others cannot ie: altered timelines). Dr Soran, a white guy from her planet, had the same powers too. The "magical negro" always has the right answers. Guinan often did, but there were times in the series when she didn't. Her prejudices towards the Borg stopped her from going to see Hugh, until Geordi told her too move past her prejudices and go "listen" to him. She then goes to Picard after and admits she was wrong. The only magical character the show had was Q, and he even told Picard he was God in one episode. If anything, the show had a "magical white guy". Just say'n.

  • Such a waste. Enterprise was intermittently cool. Archer got the Bum's rush just when he was starting to kick ass.

  • But will happen. And Paramount will probably charge $100 a season.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I still want to know what the heck Lesbiana was talking about??

    by Rebel Scumb

    I guess some talkback mysteries will never be solved. I'll have to go on being 'self-deluded' about...

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Inner Light - close to being the best 30 minutes in the history of television.

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    also, Fistful of Datas was one of the greatest father-son adventure stories since Courtships of Eddie's Father.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    and as a turbo uber conservative repub, i love me some Whoopi Goldberg

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    because (1) she's a liberal that knows how to respect a person while not respecting their opinions and (2) Guinan was a character she practically wrote herself and pitched to Braga. She's awesome.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    ...and conspiracy wins this TB

    by YackBacker

    Best. Gyro. Ever.

  • Sept. 12, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Inner light IS great, but one thing that would have made it better

    by Rebel Scumb

    Is if they didn't keep cutting back to Picard unconscious on the bridge. It sort of makes it obvious that he's expirencing time in an excellerated fashion, in a virtual world. The stuff with him and his family on the planet is strong enough to carry the episode, and I think emotionally involving enough that you almost sort of forget riker and troi and the enterprise after a while and suspend your disbelief. That was the only thing that struck me the last time I saw it, I had forgotten they cut back to the bridge and doctor crusher trying to wake him up. But what does it matter, its really great.

  • You say that like it's a good thing. Two crappy shows followed by a third.

  • Sept. 13, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Sulu fan film staring Takei (not the "New Voyeges" one!)

    by Jake Pantlin

    There is a fan film from the 80s being finished right now that stars George Takei as Sulu. It's called "Yorktown: A Time to Heal". They just posted a cool looking FX trailer on Youtube. they also have a facebook group page. Worth checking out. It was filmed when they were making Star Trek 3, and was shelved caus ethey couldn't get the FX done. Now they are being done and they look amazing! Some cool shots of an Enterprise class vessel blowing up in space, and a ship i've never seen before, that was designed by Andrew Probert of TNG!