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Mel Gibson To Make Maccabees Film

Nordling here.

Interesting people make interesting films, and boring people make boring ones.  Mel Gibson is interesting.  As a film enthusiast, therefore, I'm going to probably want to see whatever he makes next, regardless of subject matter.  Now, his next film may give many people pause, considering his history, but it looks like Gibson will be making his long-in-the-works Maccabees project for Warner Brothers with Joe Eszterhas.

For those unfamiliar with the Maccabees story, the Maccabee family, led by father Judah, led the Jewish people against the Selucid Empire occupying Judea.  Using guerrila warfare, the Maccabees defeated the Syrian army, and succeeded in taking back Jerusalem.  The Jewish holiday of Hanukkah comes from the Maccabees story.  It would be a fairly epic tale, and Gibson's talked about making it for years.   Now Joe Eszterhas will be writing the script, having himself taken a sabbatical from Hollywood for several years.  It's unclear how much budget Gibson will have, but since he self-financed THE PASSION to great monetary success, I'd bet that some of his own funds may be going into this project.

As far as any possible controversy rising from this, I'm sure in the coming months we'll hear from many people about whether or not Gibson should even attempt this film.  Personally, I think he deserves a second chance, and with this story, maybe he can find some redemption in the project.  And maybe he can do this epic story justice in a way that no other filmmaker can.  We won't know until the film comes out, of course.

Nordling, out.

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  • Sept. 8, 2011, 8:55 p.m. CST

    First

    by UTexLex

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Argh, my nipples...it hurts when I twist them!

    by UTexLex

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST

    He may be crazy....

    by Quackfu

    but the son of a bitch knows about plot

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST

    He does make good movies, regardless.

    by Sardonic

    Apocalypto is probably one the best "action movies" in the last decade.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Holy shit.

    by Nerd Rage

    Say what you will about Mel Gibson but the man has huge balls.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:03 p.m. CST

    I hear...

    by McSatan

    ...David Duke wants to direct a movie about Medgar Evers. Should be "interesting!"

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST

    If he's talked about doing it for years, that is before his DUI tirade

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    then I don't see how he can be called anti-semetic.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST

    The man deserves a second chance...

    by zdog22

    Ok I'm not going condon his anti semetic tirad but many celebs have done much worse and gone on to successful careers. It's not like he killed any body or molested a child...get over it and let him make movies

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    He can do a cameo in Fury Road...and then all is forgiven.

    by mister death

    I really don't give a fuck abut his personal life as long as he's NOT sodomizing Rabbis in the back of the Carnegie Deli then wiping his Jew hating dick with the Torah afterward. As far as I know you can murder your wife in L.A. and do a few months in the county lock up, so a little domestic beat down I guess will be like yesterday's stained copy of the National Enquirer. So go easy on the 80 proof Mad Mel and make some fucking great movies. By the way, he looks crocked in this picture, just sayin'.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Thank god.

    by blackwood

    Stay behind the camera, Mel. You're not Tom Cruise; you have a second skill, arguably now stronger than your first skill. Use it. I don't ever have to see Mel Gibson act again. In anything. Ever. I just don't care any more, and he's not good enough to make me. BUT! I think he's a great director. BRAVEHEART is his weakest film. PASSION and APOCALYPTO were both great -- APOCALYPTO really showed him getting into a grove, finding his voice, and it's terrible that he stopped to instead be a racist wife-beater or whatever it was. I hope it works out. I want to see more films by him.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Oh boy. Here we go.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    This should be one of the more interesting talkbalks to say the least. I do wonder however, if Mel Gibson is sympathetic or even a follower of Christian Identity beliefs. Would make some kind of sense. Of course he wouldn't speak such things aloud. Especially after what has transpired the last five years.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Fury Road is no longer on George Miller's imdb resume

    by Bobo_Vision

    It just vanished into thin air....with no reports or word of what happened.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST

    bobo_vision...

    by blackwood

    Could it be that it's 'in production' and gated behind IMDb's subscription? Because it has a page, but it's telling me I need to pay money if I want to know about it.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Oh. Well that doesn't bode well for the project.

    by Bobo_Vision

    Looks like George is still working on Happy Feet 2. I don't think Fury Road will see the light of day.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Mentaldominace...

    by Atomike2

    I think you're alone in thinking the Passion was an "ignorant" film. There are few films which were researched as thoroughly during the scripting phase. Personally, the only way one could call the film "ignorant" is to mask a hidden political or religious agenda that skews your view of cinema, and warps your ability to distinguish good from bad. Very, very sad.

  • Tom Hardy was just interviewed about Warrior, and he talked about the upcoming Fury Road. It sounds like it has will soon be starting production/filming in Oz.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Passion of the Christ as an ignorant film

    by triplesixclickqueer

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Passion of the Christ as an ignorant film

    by triplesixclickqueer

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    No shit,

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Algebra it is not. Did Mel know this? Or was this Mel's personal 'vision' 2011. The final months Is the Passion ignorant? Eating meat on friday sinful and relevant

  • I thought it was going to be Eric Bana who I don't particularly like....this gives the project some hope.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Finaly!!!!!!

    by TheAwareness

    i guess that viking flick that mel was planing with dicaprio is over anyway..im glad mels putting his balls back on a returning 2 directing he is currently among our best also leave passon alone its a wonderfulness regardless of the "white washed" Christ i dont lov the film because of "HISTORICAL" accuracy but as a as a piece of art that accomplishes what it sets out to do a real christ film will never be made because the people responsible for his death un run(romans,azkanazi jews(germans)) run Hollywood

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Yes

    by triplesixclickqueer

    It is the most ignorant film ever made. No it is not the most ignorant film ever made Seems a fair question Crucify my sarcasm please 2011- the last months and this is all ya'll got?

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Halt din zoken!

    by Major Hockshtetter

    Gibson, that Aussie Cossack, directing an epic film about the father of Hanukkah, written by the scriptwriter of Showgirls? Oyf tsleuchis!

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST

    mel is the perfect punisher

    by ORIONgods

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    A real christ film

    by triplesixclickqueer

    I love that comment. both thumbs strong up the asshole love explore that notion

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:46 p.m. CST

    gibson is an actual talent in a town of slobbering idiots

    by HaterofCrap

    he may be crazy, but he can direct a solid movie. apocalypto is fuckin badass.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Also

    by TheAwareness

    mel gibson should make a film about atlantis writen by dan akyroid

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:55 p.m. CST

    sounds great!

    by vicmackey1268

    Remove the word "Mel Gibson" and we get what sounds like a great story about the history of a fantastic group of people...I would definitely see it if the actors cast were ones I cared about. Now think of, as an actor, Mel Gibson...we get the greats: Road Warrior, Lethal Weapon, Ransom, Braveheart, Patriot, Payback, We Were Soldiers---the goods: Conspiracy Theory, What Women Want, The Beaver, Signs, Chicken Run, Maverick....sigh well I could go on, the dude makes good films.. Now think of, as a director/producer/behind the camera---Passion of the Christ (as a Christian I can tell you nothing captured the emotion and pain of Christ during his final moments...no church group, sermon, passion play, etc...it was monumental in telling the final story of Christ and every person that saw the film in my theater actually got together with people around them and prayed..it was a powerful film)...of course if you're not a Christian the film doesn't have to be one you like, or ever see...Now, Apocalypto was just a great story... Point is...the guy who did Braveheart wants to do another epic battle movie, about the amazing efforts of a Jewish family... If I was Jewish would I maaaybe have a problem with this guy? Ya..but suck it up because if this thing actually happens it has the potential to be a great story and be the Jewish Religion Movie that The Passion was for Christians.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:56 p.m. CST

    I'm an Atheist. Why? Because I'm not fucking stupid

    by Mel

    Bible stories are hilarious. They've all been proven bullshit. Noah's ark? LOL! Whoever made up that bullshit probably only ever saw 5 types of animals in his life. Guess what? There are millions of species. And as for it raining 40 days and 40 nights? hahaah. impossible. science has proven there's a specific amount of water on the earth and it never changes. if it rained somewhere for 40 days that means theres a drought somewhere else. rofl at people who believe that shit.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 9:59 p.m. CST

    utexlex...ur the man

    by Daniel

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    Akyroid, Mel, Atlantis

    by triplesixclickqueer

    vs. a Coen bro directed woody allen written light rom com romp: All quiet's over the pale autumn moon. Cricket's chirping ( in nature , of course ) is the soundtrack. eastern role reversal vs. man's displacement . but funny. Best picture nom's 2013. Make it happen YOU JEWS! Ya done fucked us on the real christ pic thing Jews

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Racist, Wife Beater, Egomaniac

    by D o o d

    and he eats children!

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Masking hidden personal and religious agenda's

    by triplesixclickqueer

    very, very confused I was and still am. What the fuck are you talking about? Or what the fuck were you talking about? Should I care, because I DO. What are you a heeb? with all that lawyer sidetalkin' make a point HEEB p.s. I'm not jewish

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Bible talk

    by vicmackey1268

    is really pointless on this type of site... can we please not go into it...the guy did a Christ movie..not wants to do a Jewish movie...if you have a problem with the religion aspect of it don't bother commenting...its about the overall idea for a movie...if you think the movie sounds bad, explain why in film-terms, not saying things like religion is stupid..No one bitched about Raiders and that had the arc and talked Bible for a while and there wasn't a peep out of anyone...

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:12 p.m. CST

    oh this is halarious Mad Mel making a movie about Jewish warriors

    by Phategod2

    Awe man Mel must be doing this to get back in the good graces of the Hollywood Jewish community. Good luck Mel.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:14 p.m. CST

    I couldn't quote the above because this site lacks jew funding

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Apocolyptico is loved by many... wannabees Yea, it's insane and wonderfulness and brilliant 'piece of filmaking' But it's also like saying "my fantasy football team has..." A lame conversation starter because everyone already knows. How many times can one watch that motherfucker? Waiting for a response: "yea, but it's art. A once in a lifetime achievment. like ulysses . and christian . maybe. " Believe me . Mel knows, mel knows, he knows. no need to pat his hairy man back . I feel bad about this now because that film deserves no questioning . Deliberately Id think . Who has the knowledge to argue that language? Great film and only jewish because it was made from ego and for profit. maybe.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST

    say what you want mel knows how to make movies. Good ones.

    by skiff

    braveheart passion and apocalyptco were very well made.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST

    I'm agnostic, and I love the Christ story.

    by blackwood

    It's a beautiful, tragic story. Every Easter I watch JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR. The weird thing is, religion, specifically in America and specifically Christianity (which isn't a religion, but whatever), has gotten away from those people who use it as a shield, like it's supposed to be used, and is in the hands of people who use it like a sword, which is way fucking wrong. Some of the best people I've ever known used their faith to make themselves better people. The sad thing about the Bible, aside from the people who take is as the literal Word of God, which frighteningly ignorant, is that a bunch of bishops and whatsits somewhere decided to cut out the most amazing and interesting bits. I've been playing EL SHADDAI: ASCENSION OF THE METATRON, which is all about Enoch and Ishtar and reigning in powerful angels who fell before Lucifer (he's there in jeans and talks to God on his cell phone). It doesn't make any sense, because it's a Japanese interpretation of redacted ancient Judeo-Christian mythology, but I started digging into apocrypha because of it and we're missing out.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:17 p.m. CST

    agree skiff

    by vicmackey1268

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    So is Mel doing this for any other reason than to show

    by Jared Bond

    ...that he doesn't think all Jews are bad? Really? An entire movie to defend his reputation? Also, haven't we already seen enough of Mel's depictions of ancient and bloody battles for freedom?

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    late

    by eric

    sorry, im so late...i dropped my yarmulke on a ham sandwich... ...did i miss any good racial slurs?

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:27 p.m. CST

    I feel like Gibson is just making this...

    by frankenberry

    ...so he can say, "See, everyone! I'm not anti-Semitic, because I made a movie about Jews!" Actually, I can see this backfiring on Gibson. No biographical film is 100% accurate. I can see Jewish groups saying this inclusion or that omission was an inaccurate, disrespectful act on Gibson's part.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:28 p.m. CST

    They may take our lives...but they'll never take...our Yamakas

    by Bobo_Vision

    Then a bunch of Jews start dancing to the song of Hava Nagila while fighting the enemies...a combination of fighting and dance. <p> This will be Mel's interpretation of Jewish culture. After winning the battle, the boys will play with their dreidels and the girls will make some shiska.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Apocalypto is one of the best science fiction movies

    by zinc_chameleon

    in the last decade, too. That, and 'Mongol' are some of the weirdest scenarios you'll ever see, and they're historically accurate. But I have to agree, Mel should do the sinking of Atlantis, which by the way you atheists, really did exist where Plato said it was, and also is the central mythology of the Flood, which by the way, also happened at the end of the last Ice Age.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Eating children

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Anyone considered The Passion as not an easter film but a christmas one? Not re-birth but birth? Not faith in the unknown but visceral , ugly human birth. Sure , 100% true mary didnt screw joseph and have intercourse action but everyone can relate to sex and the feeling, right? ( man, add "yea, everyone except sixqueer or just add another name, any name. like pohunk or something) But to make christains feel their faith when watching such graphic imagery? To have emotion about faith and give renewed feeling to its practice and condemn the jewosh subversion that has become our christmas. For once to reconsider and look at our most sacred holiday differently by not buying jew products but feeling for that unknowable thing, faith in a higher power. To reconcile the human and abstract with gore instead of product. to feel a piercing and not cower with anxiety buying a gift card. This is trying to make sense. Eat the children is apt. By the way I'm watching cat cora butcher some deconstruction . dyke.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Nevermind

    by triplesixclickqueer

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Passion is def an Easter film

    by triplesixclickqueer

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:43 p.m. CST

    And maybe it's about death

    by triplesixclickqueer

    2011- the final months. And I'm trolling The Passion of the Christ . Is trolling apt? p.s I am Jewish

  • Oh, and.....durp.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Zinc_Chameleon

    by Nerfee

    The last glacial period ended ten thousand years ago. The greek Island of Santorini was formerly known as Thera, the most likely inspiration of Plato's Atlantis. It was destroyed in a volcanic eruption three-thousand-six-hundred years ago. So there is a 7400yr gap between the two events you cite, which in any case had nothing to do with each other.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Oops, that should read..

    by Nerfee

    6400yrs. I'm refutationally lackadaisical.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Hello

    by triplesixclickqueer

    I liked that Passion movie but disagree and think violence is never cool. cool man. Derp is the new one. Fond memories of saying douche. I was 38 years old 2 years ago.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST

    I was a 38 year old 2 years ago

    by triplesixclickqueer

    derp. Man, that cuts.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:56 p.m. CST

    FOR ALL OF YOU THAT HATE THE PASSION!

    by Kal-EL84

    If you hate the passion you are a prideful JEW. im jewish and i dont hate the passion. i am a reader of the bible. and from what i perseve from the numerous times i have read it is that the jews betrayed and killed jesus...... it happend..... if your a jew get over it and make your own path... dont hat the bible dont hate Mel Gibson. the jews of that era dont define who jews are... make your own path. The passion of the christ has its flaws.... but saying that it is the moth accurate biblical account i have ever seen on film. I applaude Mel Gibson for it. and I am Jewish. i feel bad that the guy just had some shit going on and took his frustations out on Jewish/ Black people... we have all done it.. we are imperfect. if your black have you ever vented about white people... sure you have... if anyone says otherwise you are a lying sack of shit. Yeah Mel Gibson is a star and should be by our standard exeeding normal... but he isnt... he is a man like any other.... a man that has a skill at portaying others like we can!! dont hold him to a higher stand than yourself.. I hope Mel Makes a major come back...... He is a master at his craft and should be treated like it!!!...

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Eugene Levy as Judah.

    by Pvt. Duke

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    Tracy Morgan needs to be in this.

    by Nerfee

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Dont sleep on akyriod

    by TheAwareness

    The man is brilliant ..and HEAVY into the Atlantis/Ufo/Ancient history stuff(as is Mel),at the very least i would give him a pass on the script 2 or bring him into the "Think tank" during production to see if he could bring something to such a monumental undertaking..i know its not his forte (akyriod made his bones in comedy)but go do some research on the man..the man is quite learn-id

  • And, in media reports, it was referred to as THE PASSION, full stop. So dont be an asshole. And, yes, it was torture porn for Christians. And it made about as much sense as the source material.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:07 p.m. CST

    and kal-el84, you are one messed up dude my man.

    by dahveed1972

    If you think the gospels are historically accurate, or even consistent, i feel bad for you. There is ample scholarship on this matter, by Christians and non-christians alike, and i suggest you avail yourself of it. Elaine Pagels and Bart Erhman are a good place to start.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    melgibsoncalledmethenword-you're an atheist because you ARE stupid

    by alienindisguise

    How many biblical stories have been disproven..NONE. Science is comprised of nothing but theories, many of which are hypotheticals which can never be tested. Biblical finds are made often corroborating what is written in both the Torah and Bible. What makes more sense. That an intelligent creator put all things together or that our universe "magically" exploded from nothing? If spontaneous creation were real as your precious science suggests then we would see it daily but we don't. Even hardcore atheists change their minds as they take their last breath.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST

    mentaldominance...

    by SchwarzenGollum

    Before I declare you a troll, explain exactly how "Passion of the Christ" was 'ignorant.'

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I'm all for Mel getting back into the game

    by smackfu

    but it seems a little weird for him to be doing a Jewish epic?

  • Even if the stories were historically accurate, which they arent, saying "the Jews" as a whole are responsible, rather than a handful of local religious leaders from a specific sect, is just stupid. The vast majority of Jews at the time werent living anywhere near Jerusalem. And i assure the ones that did, could not have given a flying fuck about one specific (from their perpective) "whack job" from some backwater. At that time in Palestine, there were many many people claiming to be the messiah.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST

    An anti semite making a pro-Jewish film?

    by captain_kirk

    Puhlease.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Akyroid is the better more learn-id choice to write Atlantis script

    by triplesixclickqueer

    No argument. I just learn-id that myself Here is the confirmation. researched: akyroid.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    He already GOT a second chance...

    by Jaka

    ...and he fucked that up.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    @kalel

    by captain_kirk

    you miss the point. It's not about the passion of the christ movie. it's about the dumbshit antisemite who makes antisemitic movies.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Also, Passion is torture porn...

    by Jaka

    .... near unwatchable. I mean really, how could anyone anywhere near sane enjoy re-watching that movie?

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:25 p.m. CST

    it occurs to me...

    by captain_kirk

    he gets to make a movie where a lot of jews die. he's sick.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Just to clarify some of the more racial based discussions

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    Arabs are classified as racially Semitic. It's really amusing how some of the more holier than thou types spout off their cliched polemics without checking facts first. So Mel Gibson could not be labeled with such a broad stroke unless he elaborated his racial viewpoints as such.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Lastly, he financed and made a chunk of cash on...

    by Jaka

    ... Apocalypto, too. And I like that film. Thankfully he's not in it. Regardless, I don't care what dude does right now. Couldn't watch The Beaver because all I could think of was him berating his wife. Good luck to him, though. He's gonna need it on this one.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Retire the word: "Antisemitism"...

    by zol

    Replace with: "Jew Hater".

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    The jesus story is magic baby zombie awesomeness!

    by Bunger!

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    @danielocharismacraig

    by captain_kirk

    I'm sure that Mel hates arabs, too.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:29 p.m. CST

    I want to see Mel's Conan movie

    by SmokingRobot

    I don't think the director of the last one is going to get another shot.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:31 p.m. CST

    captain_kirk & dahveed1972.... Here's to the haters

    by Kal-EL84

    We mock what we dont understand!

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Especially dahveed1972

    by Kal-EL84

    I feel sorry for you....... end of sentance! PS. hope you find something that makes you happy in this world!.... Is there any facts you can look up on being happy?...

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST

    No. This is torture porn

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Someone should post a picture of ( I dont know some fag: rick simmons'? ( too lame and obvious? yea, ok some fag , a hipper more obscure fag) watching two dykes (hot ones) playing dildo. Or just go to x videso or some shit . for the torture porn Or post a pic of two fags eating thigh p.s. I'm a jew fag ridiculous: this year's derp and last year's douche words, words, words, queerbait needs a comeback diggin on toruture porn now. AS WE SPEAK

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:39 p.m. CST

    triplesixclick"queer" Must be a gramer coach or something

    by TheAwareness

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:40 p.m. CST

    the former and never a latter

    by triplesixclickqueer

    the watching ricky simmons version of him watching . Mel gibson needs to make that atlantis film with akyroid as the hired scriptwriter. sooner than later. ( I feel a need to reference The great outdoors- cause im gay) Gibson, beaver

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:42 p.m. CST

    dahveed1972 HAS Hemroids

    by Kal-EL84

    If you think leaving them alone is morally accurate, or even consistent, i feel bad for you. There is ample scholarship on this matter, by people with and without hemroids, and i suggest you avail yourself of it. Heavy lifting, straining, Anal penetration, Pro-longed bowel movements.

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:51 p.m. CST

    lol @ the last ten posts or so, actually quite funny

    by Jaka

    People seem to be under the impression that Mel only hates Jews, and that's simply not the truth. He hates women and black people, too! He's just, ya know, great!

  • Sept. 8, 2011, 11:58 p.m. CST

    I Like JAKA

    by Kal-EL84

    He speaks the truth....... If I could qoute Spock..... Mel Gibson is what its like to be................... HuMan!!!

  • Sept. 9, 2011, midnight CST

    Anal penetration

    by triplesixclickqueer

    queer grammer coach the ridicuous douchebag

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Time to kiss some Jewish ASS

    by pauduro

    Yea you want to make good yo have to lick, munch, eat, kiss some Jewish ass in jewood ups i meant Hollywood and its not anti-semitism my future wife is jew so SUK ON THIS

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Anal Penetration

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Avail yourself to it. The Passion of the Christ is an arrogant, excuse me- ignorant film- because no matter how much research Mel paid for he will never experience torture porn . AND that is a shame

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST

    triplesixclickqueer... Knock it if you have tried it!

    by Kal-EL84

    nick nack pattywack!!!!!........ how many miles you got on ya oscar?

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Like Jesus did

    by triplesixclickqueer

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:08 a.m. CST

    THEN YOU CANT BE GAY!

    by Kal-EL84

    U KNOW WHO U R

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Rachel Zoe

    by triplesixclickqueer

    Bravo! That answers the question better than giving you a number ever will. Many Rachel may be gun shy but I am not.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:12 a.m. CST

    144,000

    by Jaka

    What number were you looking for, exactly?

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:14 a.m. CST

    I love Mel Gibson

    by Kal-EL84

    And im a jew!.... ive said horrible things about hispanics, blacks, asians, middle easterns. doesnt mean i mean them..... i think we all just get frustarated with eachother and we break!.. doesnt mean i dont like them 2 of my best child hood friends and still today are east indian and asian.... CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!... I call the fucker a rag head!!! and he calls me the wicked witch of the promised land!

  • LOL

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:21 a.m. CST

    @bobo_vision, re: Fury Road

    by Happyfat73

    Fury Road is still going ahead... However, production had to be put off because Broken Hill - the location for shooting - had drought-breaking rains and sprouted greenery all over the place. They need to wait until it all dies and goes back to looking like a desert again.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:22 a.m. CST

    You aint no great crowd jaka;)

    by Kal-EL84

    Yours and Mels ass stays on earth

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:25 a.m. CST

    kal-el84, so does yours

    by Jaka

    If you really love Mel Gibson.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Agreed!

    by Kal-EL84

    Jaka

  • Welcome back!

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Ample Research done on this matter

    by triplesixclickqueer

    I too Agree, if that's cool with ya'll? "I'm super worried about man-power." - Rachel Zoe

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:41 a.m. CST

    I <3 Maccabees

    by Happyfat73

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Braveheart, The Passion, Apocalypto...

    by Darth Melkor

    ... are all fucking awesome.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Is there no one here who can spell Aykroyd?

    by I Max U Mini

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Akyrod... Aykroad... Akyroyd... Aykroid... ahh, fuck it!

    by Happyfat73

    Nope, can't spell it.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 1:29 a.m. CST

    AS IF: Something From Nothing: Proof

    by TheJudger

    "Verbal and Written Associations" The energy behind them exists. All of those movements made with in the bodies all of livings things supported by the consumed energy to power the abilities of speech and noisiery and written word, but the words and sounds- The way in which we developed or choose to associate and describe things to communicate as it were. Completely From Nothing! Entirely Invented From Nothing! Supported and condoned only through reteaching those who come after us to understand what these sounds and written shapes define. I too am Agnostic. I can understand those who lean toward Atheism. It is something I can not share. I feel inherently connected to the force behind the universe. All I have to do to feel that connection is question it. I can not accept these man made versions of God because these versions are too flawed to personal to concerned with us, to needy for our worship and admiration of them and the act of Existence, in a way that I can not rationalize or invest in. We are not the ultimate goal or prize of All Xreation. We are so very small in contrast to a universe full of life and wonder. I do however hope that our spirit- if you will- our energy- that inner us- we feel rides inside this vessel. I do hope it lives beyond the psychical medium when it ends. I do hope, and for that I can not believe in absolutely nothing.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Mel

    by dukeroberts

    Mel is a good filmmaker. Braveheart, The Passion of the Christ and Apocalypto are all very well made movies. Even his first directorial effort, Man Without a Face, was pretty good for a first time director. The Passion of the Christ, whether you believe in the religious aspects of the movie or not, can be judged solely on its merits as a film. Does it tell a compelling story? Is it executed well? I say "Yes" on both counts. Concerning the Maccabee movie idea- He was talking about making a movie about the Maccabees while he was still working on The Passion of the Christ. It's not about redemption for him. He wants to tell a compelling story. Concerning Christianity, the Holy Bible and religion in general- Can we leave religious conversations off of this MOVIE site, please? My dad always taught me to not speak ill of another man's religion, or lack of it for that matter. If you think Christians are stupid for believing in God and Jesus that's fine, but you don't have to come on a MOVIE site to insult people over their deepest and most personal beliefs. There are other sites for that. If you believe atheists to be morons for not believing in God and Jesus that's fine. There are sites to discuss that too. This is a MOVIE site. Please discuss accordingly. I used to come on here and get involved in political arguments myself. I stopped doing that. This is a MOVIE site and not the place for political or religious or anti-religious diatribes. Thank you. Regarding domestic abuse- Mel Gibson never abused his wife. He has been married to his wife Robyn since 1980. They are currently separated. His girlfriend, with whom he had a child, filed a restraining order against him citing domestic abuse. He is not a "wife beater", but may have possibly hit his girlfriend. The investigation into abuse yielded no actual evidence for or against the claim of physical violence. Finally, the horrible spelling by so many posters on this particular topic is almost too much to bear.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Dukeroberts has it right.

    by Happyfat73

    You don't come on here to tell people they are stupid morons based on their religious beliefs, or lack thereof.</p> </p> You're supposed to come here and tell people they are stupid morons based on their movie preferences, or lack thereof.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 2:08 a.m. CST

    "For those unfamiliar with the Maccabees story" AKA the protestants

    by AsimovLives

    The Book of the Maccabees is found in the catholic bible. It's actually quite one of the best part of the whole bible. It's a story filled with lots of badassery, lots of fighting and intrigue. It's actually suprising it hasn't been adapted before to the screen. But the way thr protestant bible was edited, namely the king james' bible, they left out the book of the maccabees. King James's editors didn't like bad ass stories?

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Free Mel Gibson

    by DarthLizardKing

    I love how a douche-sucker like Chris Brown gets a free pass after punching a woman's face into hamburger; and how Mike Tyson is this silly, cuddly teddy bear now even though he raped a woman. Will never forget Entertainment Tonight at a red carpet event about fifteen years ago, asking celebrities if they were going to Tyson's comeback fight, which was the hot ticket at the time. They got to Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russel, and Kurt goes: "Why? To support a convicted rapist? No thanks." The fact is, Americans get up-in-arms about the wrong things. Ignorance and racism are sad, ugly symptoms of a life rooted in hate; but they are not crimes and don't even compare on any level to beating and raping women.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Correct me if I am wrong...

    by bubcus

    ... and I haven't researched this that much, but I was under the impression that King David wrote much of Psalms AFTER his downfall and that Psalms is almost a plea to God for forgiveness for his personal sins. As such, in a way, this Maccabees film could be a sense of redemption for Mel. It focuses on the Jews whom he offended, deals with the Bible that may appease the Catholics that he offended, and gives the world another religious film that may educate and appease those Christians that are less familiar with the Apocrypha and its contents... thereby also appeasing a group he offended. It's not his motivation for doing this film, but it helps. I'm all for him doing this. I haven't seen Passion of the Christ or his Apocalypto films but I have seen most of his other films and I have a high admiration for everything he does in cinema. Of course I don't approve of his dumb choices in his personal life that cost him a longstanding marriage and the opening of a rift with his children but that seems to also be a tragic norm in hollywood lifestyles. Anyway, go for it Mel. I'm looking forward to checking this out.

  • Considering Eszterhas sucks and all. Gibson's movies are fucking great. Each one is better than the last. And THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST profoundly moved this atheist...because its not about supernatural B.S. It's about love and forgiveness and compassion and all that shit. At the end of THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST, I finally understood why people are into this Christ dude. And I bet Gibson's ass-kicking Jews will kick even more ass than Ed Zwick's or, dare I say, even Steven Spielberg's ass-kicking Jews. And I look forward to it.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 3:12 a.m. CST

    What next? Roman Polanski making a film about Herod The Great?

    by i_got_worms

    Cos y'know Herod killed kids instead of fucking them.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 3:12 a.m. CST

    The MacCabees

    by Ray Gamma

    Ye can take our Isrrrael.... But ye'll neverrr take ourrr FRRREEDOM!!!

  • and will regret later. You could spout your hatred of the French as an adult, only because you were drunk out of your mind and because that mental seed was planted in your subconscious by the racist uncle you only met once at the age of 7 who made sure you knew about his prejudices. I will go see this movie. Any Jews who protest are an oversensitive bunch.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Cool

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Mel's a great filmmaker, I couldn't care less what he gets up to when he's drunk.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibson is a deeply flawed human being.

    by Ironhelix

    But aren't we all? Remember those conjoined twins from Guatemala? Gibson paid for them to be separated, and it was only recently that the family let on about it. He never sought any publicity, or even let it be known that he had anything to do with it. I have to assume he did it because despite his faults, there's a good person in there somewhere. Besides, anyone who calls a cop "sugar tits" is OK in my book.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Everyone has said awful things privately

    by Darth Melkor

    We've all said racist, obscene and offensive things behind closed doors. Gibson had the misfortune of being recorded by a manipulative gold digger. Yes, he's a flawed man, but I believe a good one who has more than paid for his mistakes. Others who do things far worse are looked down upon half as much as Mel.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 5:06 a.m. CST

    You can't argue his track record as a Director

    by ZoeFan

    The man knows how to make a good entertaining movie (not film as he shoots in digital).

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Fury was delayed due to bad weather

    by Wookie_Weed

    Like floods, fires, etc. Miller had to delay it til next year.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 5:34 a.m. CST

    life of brian v the passion of the christ

    by emeraldboy

    life of brian wins every time.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 5:37 a.m. CST

    this one of the funnies things ever put on film in modern comedy

    by emeraldboy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 6:08 a.m. CST

    T101 to make Sarah Connor Film

    by Shaw

    Biff Tannen to make butt-head film

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Walter Sobchak to make Larry Sellers film

    by Shaw

    Cats to make dogs film

  • Yes, I'm sure the sciences will have a difficult job proving that corpses can't come back to life after a stinking up the desert for a couple of days, donkeys can't talk and men can't walk on the surface of water. Until the sciences prove these things beyond a reasonable doubt, we should all keep an open mind. On the other hand, it would be nice of the Bible if it could explain why human foetuses develop tails in their early days, why we, a mammalian species, have dormant DNA that is only found in reptiles, why certain land mammals have dormant biology that could only be of use to them if they were a water-based fish, or why some fish species have rudimentary hands and feet in their skeletal structure? re: "What makes more sense. That an intelligent creator put all things together or that our universe "magically" exploded from nothing? If spontaneous creation were real as your precious science suggests then we would see it daily but we don't." And yet you believe that God "magically" and "spontaneously" created the universe "from nothing". So... you believe that spontaneous creation **is** real, but only if a magic space man does it deliberately, as opposed to it happening for some other reason, or even for no reason at all? Who says that we would or should see "spontaneous creation" on a daily basis? How would you see the creation of a new universe **inside** the universe anyway? How could that possibly happen? If the universe "magically exploded from nothing", from **an absence of matter**, it would be impossible for something to "magically explode" in a universe that is **now composed of matter**. re: "Even hardcore atheists change their minds as they take their last breath." I hear that's still a much lower number than the "hardcore believers" who change their minds with their last thought, when realization finally dawns at the end of a wasted life, with a sad, lonely and disappointed little "Oh. Bu-". But hey, that's what you get when you blindly believe a bunch of ridiculous shit scribbled in deserts by crazy Middle Eastern guys. I hear those guys still do that sort of thing, but most people - even self-professed "believers" - don't believe in any of the new stuff they're saying, they mostly like to stick with the Original Trilogy stuff. Which isn't even the Original Trilogy, thanks to a whole bunch of George Lucases tweaking, deleting and adding their own things down the centuries as part of their own crazy little agendas. And it's not like the Original Trilogy was the original story in the first place. You're part of a heretical fanbase for a **spin-off** from the source material. Christianity isn't even the 'Star Wars' of religions, it's the fucking Ewok movies.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 6:36 a.m. CST

    I'll see anything he directs, I hope he gets to do his viking movie

    by Spandau Belly

    Apocalypto was top notch.

  • Hell, I seem to recall him mentioning it a few times not long after doing Braveheart, as another grand historical story that he had a lot of interest in one day trying to bring to the screen. This was long before his public falls from grace. But hey, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good beat up, so have at it talkbackers. He's clearly making this one to win favor with 'the hollywood jews', because if there is one thing that hollywood loves it is violent historical epics that traditionally have a niche market and make very little bank at the box office. I mean one of them always washes away all percieved sins in a way that a big populist moneymaking blockbuster bit of fluff never would...um, yeah, right. Come on, let's face facts here. Hollywood at large only cares about money and money making, and if you make enough money for them then all your previous sins are easily forgiven as everyone gets to roll in their huge wads of cash. Going indie, partially self financing your own films, and making niche movies that are practically guaranteed not to make a dent on the box office, no matter how good they may be, is not a fast-track to hollywood redemption by any measure. My take anyway. Personally I don't doubt Gibson's interest in this making a film of this story, I don't think this is being made 'just to keep the jews happy' at all as I don't think Gibson is the kind of person who gives a fuck what anyone thinks or says about him at this point, and in fact I'm quite excited to see the kind of film that he can make from it if it all goes ahead. Eszterhas as writer though seems a bit of a worrying choice though. Oh, and darth melkor, I agree completely. Funny thing, my family is Jewish actually, and none of us hate Mel Gibson. He's just a guy that clearly has a (long term) problem with alcohol, and who fucked up in a very public, but human, way. It always seems to me that the people who get most up in arms about things like this are the ones who get outraged on behalf of someone else, as if to show how enlightened and culturally sensitive they themselves clearly are. And yet most of the people who they have chosen to speak and be outraged for mostly just don't give a shit. Personally I think Mel Gibson is a good actor, a great director, and a flawed human being. And as someone not constantly in the public eye, but far from perfect myself, I can accept all that for what it is.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Mel is awesome

    by disfigurehead

    Apocalypto is the shit. Passion is good if you believe in all of that jesus shit.

  • he chose the jews. Oh boy.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Anti-semite

    by ralf malf

    Thought this was Ain't it cool news, not Ain't been cool in over a decade. Fuck Mel Gibson.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 7:09 a.m. CST

    bubcus

    by AsimovLives

    For the catholcis, the book of the maccabees is not apocrypha, it's part of the book. Be careful, or you might just insult all catholics, even without intending to. The catholic bible is not the same as the protestant, you know?

  • If you read the book of maccabees and the historical background of those events, you will find a great story waiting to be told in film or TV. It is a great story, the kind only real life could produce. I'm certain the main reason he wants to make that movie is because he really digs it. And i think things cooled down to him by now. He mannaged to star in to movies already after his troubles. Should mean something.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 7:43 a.m. CST

    What I've learned from this thread

    by proevad

    We are all racists and Gibson just got caught--and hating the French is the same as hating the Jewish people. As a long time self outed Jew on this board, may I just say--bite me, and thanks for the re-education.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 7:45 a.m. CST

    That being said, I'll see the film

    by proevad

    Not because of the subject matter, because Braveheart and Apocalypto are two of my favorite movies. The man is talented as hell.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Great News!

    by James

    Just saw Apocalypto for the first time, can't wait to see what he does next. What a kick ass movie! Get back behind the camera, Mel, chop chop!

  • So yeah, make a movie out of it. But uh... Mel Gibson??? Ahem.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Mel is awesome still. A guy with some problems, but who cares?

    by ZodNotGod

    He's interesting. Would everyone prefer he act like a queer Travolta or pretentious Clooney? Passion of the Christ is quite a beautiful film. From all my readings, reasonably accurate. Went to school with this kid named Flyshaker. A real jerk off. One day he's being his typical jerk off self so I asked him, "Hey tell me. When the coach says hit the showers do you get nervous?" *rim shot! Lastly, for those using your "Faith" and/or "religion" to play one upsmanship in here, to act superior to others; that is so wrong in some many ways. I'm a believer and of deep faith and would never do that. My church teaches you can't legeslate grace. Religion complicates, perverts and twists everything. WE are all children of wrath. We all deserve mercy and forgiveness and we all can have God's grace if you just ask.

  • A smart guy, with some problems and anger issues, but he's not evil and this righteous indignation towards him is laughable coming the usual hypocritics.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Since when is it bad to hate the French?

    by ZodNotGod

    They are French, who cares? That's like saying its bad to hate the Chinese. Since when? When the filthy commies learn what human rights are all about and they stop eating dogs and cats, (using their fur for clothing..etc.) then I will give them a break.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:09 a.m. CST

    I dislike Braveheart for the most part, but he gets a life pass...

    by ZodNotGod

    for the first two Lethal Weapons, Mad Max trilogy, Payback and his crazy rants like, "Sugar Tits!" and all those idiots who thought he was the devil just because he screamed at his woman. Who hasn't screamed at their woman at least once. Anyone?

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Must be nice to 100% artistic freedom.

    by knowthyself

    That Passion of the Christ money is never going to run out.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah and how great was Apocalypto?

    by knowthyself

    Cause it was really fuckin great.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:29 a.m. CST

    If Mel had done a rant against the French. Nobody woulda cared.

    by knowthyself

    Be honest. It's true.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:46 a.m. CST

    No. They would not. Frenchies suck.

    by ZodNotGod

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Mel makes good movies, but seriously, Mad Max?

    by Jay Eyler

    I know this movie holds a special place in a lot of people's hearts, but have you tried to watch it lately. The original Mad Max is fucking horrible. Bad ass Ford Falcon XB GT, but pretty horrible otherwise.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Joe Eszterhas Also Wrote Flash Dance

    by kevinwillis.net

    And F.I.S.T. Come on! F.I.S.T.? This is sure to be gold!

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I'm Still Hoping Mel Does An Anti-French Rant

    by kevinwillis.net

    You know it'd be a classic.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Mad Max terrible?

    by ZodNotGod

    Doesn't matter, The Road Warrior is sex.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST

    F.I.S.T. ?

    by ZodNotGod

    Ugh. Sounds like a gay porno.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    i would really love to see Mel tackle a massive Egyptian Epic

    by bongo123

    the guy has an amazing eye for detail and i think its long overdue that we got an epic set in ancient Egypt, his last 3 historical picts have been outstanding

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Seriously, Mel's "Blacklisting" is bogus...

    by ZodNotGod

    When Charlie Sheen sucks air and has millions more to spend on his crackwhores and continues to drag all of humanity down to his cesspool level, I think Mel can be given some leeway. This moral relativism is f*****g garbage!

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Rumor has it he's prepping a Viking adveture...

    by ZodNotGod

    not that you will ever hear this site report it.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    zodnotgod: It was a Union film

    by kevinwillis.net

    All the rage back then! With Sylvester Stallone, no less.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    That fruitcake designer is worse than Gibson..

    by Knobules

    The arrogant little shit who went off on those girls about being ugly, liking hitler etc. And got his snotfaced butt handed to him when they recorded it. You can bet the fashion community and E! channel dipshits will say hes brave and strong along with all sorts of BS. Give Mel a break, he was shitfaced and stupid like half the planet on any given day. He gave us Road Warrior, Braveheart, Lethal Weapon etc, not underwear for Madonna or some crap.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    FIST is a damn good film actually...

    by Stegman84

    Especially in it's extended director's cut form. It also has one of Stallone's best acting performances, from back when he was still legitimately trying to act, and not just be Stallone.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST

    RAPED BY A PACK OF VIKINGS!

    by AzulTool

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 10:41 a.m. CST

    BIG BANG GOD

    by bubcus

    I love your post, Scratchmonkey. I want to add a third posibility. Though one can assume the Creation of the Earth in the Bible took place over seven days, it's foolish of us to think it was seven of our days.... especially since God sets up the sun and our orbiting moon on one of those days. I would say, consider a God day to be thousands, if not millions, of our days since time, for him, really wouldn't matter so much. So if you had a world populated by dinosaurs wiped our, left dark and lifeless, God comes along, divides the water from the land, sets it in its orbit, divides the continents, brings back life to the world,and gives the command to "multiply and REPLENISH the Earth" wouldn't that be a sort of bridge towards the two arguments of the big bang evolution and the traditional Christian theory that everything popped out of nothing? Now, on some curious notes: in my particular Christ-centered religion there is a passage that hints that everything evolves within its sphere of creation. So you'd see a degree of evolution but not a chimp evolve out of a spider. Also, I picked up a book about the recently discovered Gospel of Judas, which as controversial as it may be, included a description that God came to be out of a sort of big bang and began to organize shortly thereafter. That may dispute the belief that God has always been, but if the said Big Bang God creation happened trillions and trillions of years ago and if time didn't matter to Him, then to say He has always been doesn't matter all that much (at least in my eyes). Anyhow, it's some food for thought. I spent a lot of time in my youth trying to figure out how dinosaurs factored into the account of Adam and Eve when "death" had not come into the world yet and I came to the conclusion that it made sense if dinosaurs were part of the world before it was reorganized (or reset) by God and it brought me some clairity and insight into the commandment to "...replenish the Earth."

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibson...one of the last true MEN in Hollywood

    by Billy_D_Williams

    now it's just a bunch of androgynous fag actors and backstabbing mamas boy studio execs i'd rather have a drink and hang out with Gibson than any of the other fake pussies in that town...at least the guy is honest and speaks his mind and isn't afraid to tackle touch subject matter. they should replace the Hollywood sign with the following sign: HOME OF MEL GIBSON'S BALLS

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I look forward to it

    by blueant

    Mel may have personal problems, but don't we all. ? I'd rather have people working than laying around drinking, feeling sorry for themselves. Least Mel isn't one of these spoiled Hollywood @ssholes bad mouthing America or talking about Global warming spooge. I'm sure whatever project he gets behind will turn out quite well.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Just watched Braveheart on blu-ray...

    by blackmantis

    Fuck that's an effective motherfuckin' film. Historically it's a travesty, but as a movie it is unbelievably rousing. And it's the best James Horner score by a mile.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST

    zodnotgod: It was a Union film

    by ZodNotGod

    I know, which is probably why I hate it.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Well, the ADL just chimed in...

    by fustfick

    ...seems they're not thrilled with Gibson's involvement. Shocking, I know. Never would have thought the ADL read AICN.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Hollywood morality

    by darthvedder81

    Mel should have raped a 13 year old while snorting coke and spewing forth conspiratorial, borderline treasonous diatribes against the United States--then Hollywood would have given him a free pass!

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Mel the Troll

    by James

    'Jew Movie' by Mel Gibson! HAHAHAHAHA!

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    BIG BANG GOD

    by ZodNotGod

    HOLY CRAP DUDE! This is awesome! Way to go! In my part of the country the Creationism vs. Evolutuion debate surfaces in the newspapers over what the schools should teach...dumb. I never understood how either could exist without the other. You can't evolve without being created and you can't be created to not evolve. or something like that. Darwin and the bible were both right! You gave me plenty to think about...Awesome!

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Holy Shit! Something worth posting about

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    I admit I lost my mojo.But I'm drunk now so what the hell . I'm just sick of being banned. Unlike Creepy thin man I can't take the constant rejection. I still come here to read Kwiz, Flicka, Jaka, the occasional, only lightly spread mind you, anti JJ hatred of Asi.... yet here I must speak. Braveheart Apocalypto This man needs to make more films.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    vicmackey1268

    by AsimovLives

    Do you know the historical setting of the events narrated in Maccabees? It was a fascinating time in the middle east.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Films that deal with Judaism are preaty rare

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Other than The Ten Commandments, Yentl, Fiddler on the Roof, and holocaust films. Seems strange.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Some of the shit posted in this talkback is beyond belief!

    by AsimovLives

    Human beings actually wrote that? Unbelievalbe!

  • Of course, we now know its just a variation on Gibson's all-consuming "Jesus torture porn" theme, but , to paraphrase Trey Parker, the dude knows story structure. And nude Catherine McCormick washes away much of the "now we know hes crazy and full or rage" taint. Oh, and dont forget he hates the gays too. For the record, I can still watch Mad Max and Road Warrior and enjoy them. His new persona is reasonably compatible with these characterizations. I mean, for all we know, "the Jews" were responsible for the apocalypse.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    asimovlives = agreed...

    by ClayMatthews

    ...you can always count on these talk backs to be kinda out there (which frankly makes them all the more fun) but some of this stuff today reads like it was written on a wall by a lunatic in a padded cell using his own feces.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    How did "Passion" hurt Jewish people exactly?

    by drewlicious

    Regardless of what you think of the movie and as to how accurate it is can anyone tell me who this movie hurt, exactly? I never caught one anti-semitic beating insitigated by this movie reported in the news. Not one. Maybe I'm wrong. However a number of people renewed their faith after seeing it. One guy confessed to a murder as I remember it. I highly doubt that there were a significant number of people joining the Nazi party after the release, and if there were any I'm fairly certain they had much love Jewish people in the first place. I do know that there is a rise of antisemitism in Europe right now and it has nothing to do with Mel Gibson. More to do with anti-Israeli sentiment, militant Islam (extremism seems to go hand and hand with poverty and theres plenty of that going around, and old school hate. Mel Gibson hasn't hurt anyone as far as I know....except his gold digging ex-girlfriend I suppose.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Directed by Mel Gibson is enough

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    to get me in the theater. Passion was a bit too much for me (and boring), but everything else he's done has been good. I'd rather have Randall Wallace writing, but whatever.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Anti-Defamation League is already pissed...

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    From EW.com: The Anti-Defamation League has officially responded to the news that Mel Gibson and Warner Bros. are cooperating to make a film based on the life of Judah Maccabee, the Jewish religious hero whose revolt against the Seleucid Empire is celebrated each Hannukah. In an official statement, the ADL’s national director Abraham H. Foxman says: 'We would have hoped that Warner Bros. could have found someone better than Mel Gibson to direct or perhaps even star in a film on the life of the Jewish historical icon Judah Maccabee. As a hero of the Jewish people and a universal hero in the struggle for religious liberty, Judah Maccabee deserves better. It would be a travesty to have the story of the Maccabees told by one who has no respect and sensitivity for other people’s religious views. Not only has Mel Gibson shown outward antagonism toward Jews and Judaism in his public statements and actions, but his previous attempt to bring biblical history to life on the screen was marred by anti-Semitism. Rather than listen to respected religious leaders, both Christian and Jewish, who voiced concerns then about the insensitive elements of his depiction of the last hours and crucifixion of Jesus, Gibson showed contempt for those voices and refused to make changes that might have helped turn his passion of hate into a passion of love. While we do not argue with Mel Gibson’s right to make this film, we still strongly believe that Warner Bros. should reconsider Gibson’s involvement in this project.....' So perhaps this isn't gonna play as well as Mel would have liked.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Mel Directing again?

    by lookylookymoontard

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Mel Directing again?

    by lookylookymoontard

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Hell yes!!

    by lookylookymoontard

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    The ADL is ALWAYS pissed.

    by Breotan

    Then again I don't see them putting up the money or talent to make a Maccabees movie. The ADL guys need to let go of their own rabid hate long enough to see that this could be an amazing film and bring their "idol" into the homes of millions. Say what you want about Mel, but The Passion and Apocalypto were incredible movies.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    coincidentally, 1 Maccabees is my favorite book of the Bible

    by Tigger Tales

    and then 2 Maccabees is a close....second.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Mel Gibson went to my high school.

    by hallmitchell

    And we didn't have too many heroes. In the late 80's Mel was the bomb in Australia. I know the guy said some really dumb things. And guess what. I can forgive him for it. This guy has helped so many people out. Don't we remember what this guy did for Robert Downey Jr when he was really down and out and no one wanted to touch his career?

  • Gibson spends half his comentary track of BRAVEHEART explaning the difference between his movie and the real events. The good thing is that is not ignorant of the real events regarding William -wallace, so he gets a free pass from that. His movie was not made out of ignorance (like when Bay when he made an historical movie) but it was deliberate plot choices. I still think that had BRAVEHEART being more historically faithful it would had been a better movie. The real history about William Wallace is so strange and weird it defies belief. Stranger then fiction indeed.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    The Gospel According to St. Matthew

    by mr_bellamy

    Let's not forget that Pier Paolo Pasolini, a well-known atheist, made one of the greatest and most reverential films about Jesus Christ in history. I say give Mel a chance, and let the work speak for itself.

  • In the scene when Jesus is punched and thrown from a bridge, under which Judas is hidding, we then see Judas having a close encounter with a werewolf. I'd like toknow where in the bible that is ever mentioned. Hell, that shit is not even mentioned in the passion stories of Catherine Emmerich. In fact, THE PASSION OF CHRIST is not based on the gospels. It's based on the religious dreams of a 19th century nun called Catherine Emmerich, who had this visions of the passion of christ and related them to a french poet, who put them to wirting and published it. i read that, and really, the movie is an almost word for word translation from Emmerich's story. The only differenc eis that in Emmerich's story, Jesus is even more beaten up, if you can believe it. That nun sure loved to imagine his Jesus boy being beaten the living shit out of him.

  • And the most influencial of them all, the writings of Saint Paul, the daddy of christianity itself, the dude didn't even ever meet him. Words of Jesus? There's no such thing per se. It's all hearsay... at the very best.

  • If i were a jew, i would had been pissed off with the movie. I'm an atheist, and my reaction is mere puzzlement. but still, it's all quite obvious why a jew would get pissed with the movie. The whole movie is a whole gonga dance about how wrong the jews where that they didn't took Jesus boy as the messiah at face value. As theology, the movie is a fucking disgrace. But i support the movie as an artistic endevour. As an artistic work, i support it. As history, theology and a depiction of christianism and Jesus, it's beyond parody, it's completly ludricous. By the way, while i enjoy the fact Gibson had the balls to have the movie spoken in aramaic and latin, the fact is it uses the wrong form of aramaic and latin. The aramaic is poetic aramaic, which nobody used as a spoken language. The aramaic used in the movie is liturgical. Same with the latin. Worst, the latin used in the movie is Ecclesiastic Latin, which was created in the middle ages. The romans would use vulgato latin. But things do nend there. Nobody at that region at that time would speak latin to the romans. latin never caught up in that reagion. The lingua franca of the time in that reagion was greek. The romans would speak greek to the locals, and vice versa. Everytime a jew would speak to a roman, including Jesus, they would speak greek to them. Same with the romans to the jews, because no roman would ever demean themselves to learn aramaic. The romans had quite a big despise to the people of the region, which they view them as perpectual seditious. And they were right. As an art movie, THE PASSION OF CHRIST is almost admirable. As theology and history it's a big fucking joke.

  • Judah Maccabee revolted agaisnthe seleucid empire because the seleucides were enforcing a greek enculturefication in palestine. Maccabee revolted to perserve the jewish way of living. And what did he do as soon he attained the independence of his country? He invaded Elam, subjugated it's people and force converted the locals to judaism at the point of the sword. Convert or else. The irony of that is so thick one would need a chainsaw to cut through it. As another show or irony, when the Maccabees fell, the throne of Judah was taken by an elamitte noble family, the Herodias. Fate as a sense of humour.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST

    mr_bellamy

    by AsimovLives

    I'd say Pasolini made the greatest Jesus movie ever made. In a way, i'm not at all suprised that it took an atheist communist to make the best and most faithful Jesus movie ever made. It actually makes sense.

  • I'm actually suprised it haven't been done before.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by poop

    THE FUCKING JEWS ARE AWESOME! I LOVE 'EM!

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST

    asimovlives...

    by vicmackey1268

    No I hadn't actually...of course I knew the origins of the menora or however you spell it but ya, no....not until this article did I start doing research on it and I completely agree that it's an awesome story and it's mindboggling why it hasn't been done before...I'd expect Scott to do something like that lol

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    How much the guy will slave himself to please Hollywood?

    by chien_sale

    He ridiculed himself with that fucking puppet movie now will make an epic Jews movie? For crying out loud, does the guy whip himself every night? Stick to the Vikings, Mel!

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Maccabees...just up the street from Applebee's.

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Hypocrisy

    by TedTwist

    I think it's funny that religion is such a hot button. Mel, hateful old fart that he is, gets busted making bigoted statements, (which face it... most of the people in the world do whether they care to admit it or not) and he's scum of the Earth and he shouldn't be allowed to make a movie about an ancient Jewish hero. I'm wondering if those same people pissing and moaning and condemning Mel would be firing off press releases if Roman Polanski announced tomorrow that he's directing a movie about the trials and tribulations of being a female junior high school student trying to make it in the world of modeling? Which is worse? The anti-semite or the child molester? Are they 1A and 1B?

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Being a Child Molester, of Course...

    by victor82

    Anti-Semitism is making a big comeback internationally and on college campuses. It's in fashion to blame "Israel" or "Zionism" (viz: "The Jooooz") for everything that's wrong with "the Arabs" "the banks", etc.. Mel will get to make his movie and be expiated by Hollywood for making Jews look heroic again during a time when Israel doesn't look so heroic. Now, as to when we get to see that bitchin' movie about Legio X Fretensis in Judea, that's the one I want to see!

  • The dude knows how to tell a good story, so let him tell stories that dont rely on historical or religous sources? Can you imagine Empire Strikes Back directed by Mel Gibson? We would finally get an explicit, twenty minute Han Solo torture scene! Squeal! Seriously though, he could direct the JLA movie. If hes still cool with George Miller, maybe he could produce it or something.

  • Sept. 9, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    And if you havent read any Bart Ehrman(sp?), check him out.

    by dahveed1972

    There are also plenty of his debates and lectures on youtube.

  • There is no fucking God! Never was, never will. And they are mad at him because he somehow dissed a religion. A fucking religion. And yet, Trey Parker and Matt Stone can fuck with Mormons and Scientology, because those are loony religions? Fucking hypocrites. Hey, jews: there is no God!

  • This is one of the reasons your website has become a laughing stock.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibson on Judah Maccabee, Christopher Hitchens, and Circumcision

    by barry convex

    http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/09/mel-gibson-on-judah-maccabee-christopher-hitchens-and-circumcision/244828/

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 3:15 a.m. CST

    not one dime

    by WestEndGonzo

    Might be the greatest film since Citizen Kane, Mel Gibson will never see 1 red penny from me ever again.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibson: Funny choice of words Westendgonzo, you cheap Jew!

    by Citizin_insane

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 7:11 a.m. CST

    infuriates? lol

    by gotilk

    yawn.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Hate on Mel

    by micturatingbenjamin

    So...the dude got drunk and said some shit he didn't mean. He then got crucified (heh) in the press, and in all sorts of media, even though if you ask most sane people if they like Lethal Weapon 1 and 2 they say 'hell yeah!'. I have a hard time empathizing for millionaires, since 'hurt feelings' are WAAAAY down on my list of worries, and probably don't factor into their thinking. Yeah, he said the Jews run everything in Hollywood. Well? Is this factually accurate? I mean like Louis C.K. says -- 'Jew is the only descriptive term for a people that is also the slur for the same people -- you just gotta put some stank on it'. So, if we look at the heads of lots of the studios out there, they're probably Jewish. And yeah, there are a lot of them, but hell, they provide me with kickass entertainment! :) Shit, one of my heroes is a Jewish guy; Stan Lee. He created with Joe Kirby (another Jewish guy) Captain America (not a Jew). This is my point; we live in America, land of second and third chances. If Ben Rapelithsberger can go to the Super Bowl and fail after raping some girl, you can forgive a drunk for saying the word 'Jew'. It's not like he's advocating Holocaust denial or encouraging retribution for the death of Christ, right? Uh...right? He didn't do that, did he? I'd feel like a dick if he did. :/ MB

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Gibson talked about a woman getting raped. Polanski raped a kid.

    by OutsideChance

    Yet it's the former whom Hollywood can't forgive while they throw accolades at the latter. Not to mention Wood-Yi Allen, whom they see as some sort of moral compass.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST

    dahveed1972

    by AsimovLives

    I'm glad to know that, friend. i love to chat about history in here with other geeks like you. I hope we can chat some more about the historicity of the Maccabees story and of other movies.

  • Stanley Kubrick, Woody Allen, Isaac Asimov, Carl Sagan, Albert Einstein, Sigmund Freud, Golda Meir. Yeah!

  • That's a god who demands syncophacy and not a moral soul. That is not a good god. that's a bad god. And the god of the bible seems to be just that: one that demands that he gets his ass kisses. Have faith in him and accept him as your savior and you get a free passage to heaven, regardless of how you were on earth. That is a bad god that doesn't deserve the worship from anybody except the lunatics.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin, no but his father does.

    by AsimovLives

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Shir Ha Maccabim (Song of the Maccabees)

    by mukhtabi

    I wonder if he's gonna cover any of the side stories of the Assyrian occupation: Hannah and her seven sons, Judith, etc. Or will this just be Judah from his rise to his tragic death on the battlefield.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    mukhtabi

    by AsimovLives

    The story of Judith is apocryphal. It's fictional romance. The story of the Maccabees is real history. Shoving the story of Judith in the story of the Maccabees would be crass and stupid.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Asimolives, about the werewolf.

    by OutsideChance

    The Catholic church has teachings of a biblical race called the Cynocephali. Basically, they were dog-headed men. In some versions of the St. Christopher story he one was before he converted. I'm guessing the werewolf you saw was a Cynocephali. So, while I understand such a thing tends to show the Bible is folklore more than fact, it doesn't show that this is something Gibson came up with on his own.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST

    outsidechance

    by AsimovLives

    But there was no references to a cynocephali checking out on Jesus when he was being brutalized by the temple guards in the gospeals, was there? It's not even in the Catherine Emmerich's book, which the movie is a direct adaptation. It's just an ass pull for the sake of a cheap scare. But thanks for calling my attention to the cynocephali. i'm going to check it out.

  • Even the cynocephaly can't explain the weirdity in Gibson's movie.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    I've seen you yammer on about Stanley Kubrick being an atheist many times. So could you please point me to any article/book/interview where he stated anything of the sort? And no, the Stephen King story doesn't count since King has told that story in more ways than one. Of course you'll never respond to this because you won't be able to provide that evidence. There isn't any. But, there is a tad more evidence that he was agnostic. Here's what his daughter had to say about it when asked: *Hmm, tricky. I think he believed in something, if you understand my meaning. He was a bit of a fatalist actually, but he was also very superstitious. Truly a mixture of nature and nurture. I don't know exactly what he believed, he probably would have said that no-one can really ever know for sure, and that it would be rather arrogant to assume that one could know. I asked him once after The Shining, if he believed in ghosts. He said that it would be nice if there "were" ghosts, as that would imply that there is something after death. In fact, I think he said, "Gee I hope so."...He did not have a religious funeral service. He's not buried in consecrated ground. We always celebrated Christmas and had huge Christmas trees.* - Katharina Kubrick Hobbs And there's more quotes from Stanley himself that would bolster the idea that he was more an agnostic than an atheist. So please, do some research next time you feel like spouting your interpretation of his films all over the place, then acting as if that mangled childlike spew pouring from your fingers were a cold hard fact. Thank you.

  • Sept. 10, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Asimovlives about cynocephali and werewolves

    by OutsideChance

    ...a fair amount of literature, including some Christian literate, tends to treat them as werewolves. Again, I'm not saying it was in the Bible, just that Gibson may have been pulling it out of his own Catholic beliefs and not simply putting it in there for no good reason.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 4:27 a.m. CST

    theumpirestrokesbach

    by AsimovLives

    He was an atheist, accept it. Besdies, even if he was an agnostic that doesn't make your faithheads be more right about him and put him in your happy club. Agnostics can be as harsh about religion as atheists, if not more. Atheists see religous people as people going after fantasies. Agnostics see religious as people who have deturped their own religion beyond all possible recognition. I'd say the agnostics must be way more pissed off. So, either way, you lose.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 4:33 a.m. CST

    outsidechance

    by AsimovLives

    From the little that i have read about the cynocephali, the difference that exists between them and the werewolves is that while werewolves are people who turn into beats, the cynocephili are people with dog heads. Rational talking everyday people with the heads of dogs. Like, you could have a humanly conversation with the cynocephali, but the werewolves would just kill you in a beastly rage. Also, i don't think that in christian mythology the cynocephali are treateed as beasts or the creatures of the devil. The werewolves, however, were always linked with the occult, black magic and the devil. One of the orthodox christian saints is ever represented in iconocraphy as a cynocephaly. So, again, i thank you for calling my attention to the cyneciphali. But i don't think it links too well with Gibson's movie. Or mabe he has a terible understanding of the cynocephali as much as he has about christian theology.

  • Faithheads, ther eis no consolation for you that if a person is an agnostic, they will be a future recuit. Also, if somebody is an agnostic, it doesn't make him or her part of your faith club. You faithheads are so desperate! Agnosticism is it's own thing, seperated from the ways of blind dogma. Deal with it.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    There is nothing to accept. That is not a fact, and there is no evidence to support your claim. Am I supposed to take whatever you squeeze out of your ass on faith? I don't think so. What is it with you anyway? If someone calls out your obvious bias and desperate need to be correct, all you do is call them *faithheads* or some other such derogatory term to try to discredit them. You don't know what I believe, and just because I ask for proof of your claim does not mean I'm a *faithhead*. Face it. You have no FACTS with which to back up your bullshitting. Try again.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    I'm talking about having facts to back up your claims Asimov

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    I'm absolutely NOT talking about agnosticism somehow being *better* or *worse* than atheism or whatever. YOU need to make it about that because you have NOTHING to back up what you say. I'm waiting.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Still waiting Asimov

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Give me a link, a quote, anything really. To use your own screwy argument tactics, I'll say this: the burden is on YOU to prove your claim. There is no evidence to suggest he was an atheist. Even his own family members don't think he was. What secret wellspring are you pulling your ideas from anyway? Your ass?

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    You are wrong Asimov

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    And a hypocrite to boot. Maybe YOU should DEAL WITH THAT. I've done my research, and I'm willing to do more. If you actually find proof I will concede the point. But we both know that will not be happening. If you do ever respond here it will most likely be to just attempt to insult me by calling me a name and imply I'm arguing for faith in God or some such bullshit. You seem to not be able to understand that when someone disagrees with you it's not always because you hurt their feelings (though I'm sure that that is sometimes the case) or that it must mean you are absolutely correct, but that they are perhaps pointing out where you are being intellectually dishonest. And in this case..you most definitely are being INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST. In short: FACTS or SHUT THE FUCK UP. So bring it on, chump.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    landosmustache

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    I guess it does seem that way, but all I can say is that I'm really not that wound up. Just to be clear, I'm not arguing faith vs. atheism. I'm merely holding Asi to his statement as FACT that Kubrick was an atheist, and asking/challenging him to prove it.

  • Sept. 11, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    *landosmoustache

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Forgot the o.