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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!
Fully rested, I return bearing the gift of a really rad shot of director Richard Donner, who featured in yesterday’s pics from the set of The Goonies. There’s a nod to one of his previous films in The Goonies that I always loved. When Sloth ripped open his shirt to reveal the Superman logo and the score called back to John Williams’ iconic music I always lost my mind. Still do, actually. Love that moment.
So, here’s Mr. Donner precariously placed on a crane during some Fortress of Solitude shooting. Click to embiggen!
If you have a behind the scenes shot you’d like to submit to this column, you can email me at quint@aintitcool.com.
Tomorrow’s behind the scenes pic can not be reasoned with.
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Here's hoping he makes a decent movie, but keeping that theme should be first priority.
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muse ...:(
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Co-sign.
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Sept. 7, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST
Despite its flaws,it remains the best and purest comic book movie ever.FACT.
by KilliK
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My bet is that he will play a modernized (or the original) version of it in the end credits. From Williams to Zimmer...sigh..
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Sept. 7, 2011, 8:26 p.m. CST
If Nolan ditched the Elfman score, Snyder can ditch the Williams score.
by Tarijeno
The Batman 1989 score is amazing but Nolan's movies are better w/o it. I don't want to see homages to the old movies. We got a two hour homage back in 2006.
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Sept. 7, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST
His molecular density will make him strong. He will be fast. Virtually invulnerable.
by UltraTron
When I saw Superman the movie in the theater some prototype aintitcool nerd was shouting in the theater -just like star wars! During the opening credits. Guess he thought everything was just like starwars credits because of the John Williams and the fancy credits. Whenever I see any other movie ever made I shout in the theater- nowhere near as cool as Superman's credits. Nothing ever has been. I get chills every time I see that curtain and those comic pages. Perfect music combined with film and editing to evoke a particular mood. The mood of holy shitness
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Sept. 7, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST
Because of Superman: The Movie Richard Donner gets a lifetime pass from me...
by qweruiop
...it's rare that lightning in a bottle could be captured so beautifully onto film, but he did it here. He rightfully gave the film the seriousness that it deserved (as opposed to making it campy or childish) while still integrating great character, story, acting, action, and of course Superman in the flesh thanks to Christopher Reeve. Such as film has influenced the entire current golden age of superhero films, and even after 30+ years it's still as impactful as ever.
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Sept. 7, 2011, 8:32 p.m. CST
I think the new film's score should be the new film's score. It should tell that story.
by UltraTron
You can't just staple music to something and hope it works. Put Tron's music in a different movie. See? It's fucked.
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Chris Reeve as Superman.. hands down. Hugh Jackman as Wolverine a distant second. I really enjoyed Brandon Routh's Clark Kent (it was arguably better than Reeve's), but he was kind of lacking physically and with force of personality as Jor-El.
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both the Elfman "Batman" score and the Williams "Superman" score are timeless, but they won't fit in the current incarnations. picture Elfman's score during scenes of "The Dark Knight"... it'd be tacky as shit. Zimmer's score is far from iconic, but it better suits the mood and themes of the new films. I'm sure the same will go for Snyder's Supes flick.
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I loved Brandon Routh in it, but the movie itself fell flat on me in theaters. It felt too much like a two hour fan-film that was unneccessary. Great Behind the Scenes pic, by the way.
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Sept. 7, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST
=You can't just staple music to something and hope it works.=
by KilliK
SM theme worked fine in SR.so it's not always that case.
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Sept. 7, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST
I think this is the first shot of Superman revealed and flying
by kabookieslap
from the control panel to the camera and past the camera. Could be wrong but I believe this is it.
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because that movie was a fucking carbon copy of Donner's Superman films. Snyder's is going to be a much different entity, for better or for worse. Williams' score isn't going to work for it.
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I'm always most impressed by the gear in these old shots. They don't really make massive-enough-to-stop-a-bullet gear like that anymore, what with teeny, tiny, lightweight HD video cameras and all that.
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Sept. 7, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST
Please don't connect Superman Returns with Superman the movie or either
by kabookieslap
version of 2. It has nothing to do with it. Superman the movie acknowledges Eisntein's theory of relativity. It took Superman as a baby thousands of years to go from Krypton to Earth. So therefore Superman could not go from earth to Superman and back in 5 years. Also, in either version of Superman 2, Kal could never have fathered that kid. In Donner's version, he turned back time before Lois was impregnated from having sex with her. In Lester's version, Superman was molecularity changed to be completely human, so any child would not have super power as he would have full human molecules. It only steals elements and a lot of dialog to try to tie it in, but it is in no way connected to those films.
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Sept. 7, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST
=because that movie was a fucking carbon copy of Donner's Superman films.=
by KilliK
how exactly was a carbon copy of Donner's movie when even shot by shot movies like Psycho are not considered exact copies of the original? arguments boy,arguments.
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Sept. 7, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST
So according to your logic,if new,modernized SW Trilogies movies come out in the future
by KilliK
they shouldnt have Williams music because it wont fit the new creative style of the films? i say bollocks.
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Sept. 7, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST
Snyder will change the theme to a shitty nu-metal version.
by alienindisguise
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Sept. 7, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST
Snyder will change the theme to a shitty nu-metal version
by alienindisguise
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Without a doubt the standard by which all other superhero movies are measured. The music is the standard by which all superhero music should be measured, but they aren't... especially since that non composer Hans Zimmer started putting one note "themes" into film. I guess the next thing he'll do is not put any music into a character theme and he'll say it's brilliant how he was able to use silence as a means to represent some character. Film music has dropped a long way from the skilled art of composition to punching buttons on a computer and making generic beats and one note themes. Thanks Hans.
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in an emotional,stylistic,atmospheric and narrative level,what is the style,cinematic theme and atmosphere of Snyder's movie and why William's music theme is not suitable to accompany the main titles of the movie? well?
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A) If Van Sant's "Psycho" isn't considered a carbon copy of the original, then you and I have VERY different definitions for "carbon copy." B) Snyder would be the first to tell you that his film is a strict to homage to Donner's films, almost to a fault. He tried repeatedly to strike the iconic imagery of Donner's films, and even went so far as to digitally alter Routh's appearance in certain scenes to resemble Reeves. Add to that, the Williams score and the redux of the opening credits... yes, its a carbon copy. That, or "blatant rip-off." Which would you prefer? "what is the style,cinematic theme and atmosphere of Snyder's movie and why William's music theme is not suitable to accompany the main titles of the movie?" I don't know the style, cinematic theme or atmosphere of the film any better than you do, but its been cited numerous times that Snyder and Nolan are aiming to make their own interpretation of the material. their OWN. people so quickly aim to complain about the creative bankruptcy of all these reboots and remakes, yet you go barnstorming when they choose NOT to retain the filmic score from an ENTIRELY UNRELATED series of films? That makes no sense to me.
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that SHOULD read... "B) SINGER would be the first to tell you that his film is a strict to homage..." my bad.
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I'm talking to my fellow geeks who grew up in the 70s/80s. We had our Superman, and it was awesome. For us. Now we're grown up, and it's time for a new generation of kids to have their version. Will it be as good as ours? Maybe not, but it's not for us to decide. Let's grow. Whaddya say?
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When people pulled up the fact about the whole kid can't be superpowered with both films, or the fact of the Eintein's theory of relativity thing, and that fact that he does not directly address things that happened in either of those films being directly connected to his film, he then said it was not. Now Dougherty and the other writer said that Singer was originally saying sequel and he got lost along the way. No one knows what it is. But it is a stand alone that just borrows a lot of elements.
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"So according to your logic,if new,modernized SW Trilogies movies come out in the future, they shouldnt have Williams music because it wont fit the new creative style of the films? i say bollocks." Thats a foolish argument. George Lucas created Star Wars, its world, all of its characters, directed the series' first film, fourth, 5th and 6th films, and had a heavy hand in the other 2. Superman was created as a comic book character and has since been adapted in many different mediums by many different people to many different effects. In my opinion, there is no "Superman theme." There is the theme to Donner's Superman films, but just because you like it, doesn't make it the definitive score to the ENTIRE PROPERTY of Superman. The property is open to fresh interpretation and you're trying to limit it to fit the strict confines of your nostalgic enjoyment.
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Oh that's right, this was way back when people had to be creative and have ingenuity in order to achieve a desired effect, struggling against limitations and barriers and coming up with innovative and real-life wonderments and cool things like creating a real rotating hallway that made one's brain wonder how it was done. It was also cool how Superman's head wasn't freakishly big and his suit wasn't emo Spiderman-reboot-esque rubbery scaly filled with such unnatural fake muscles that he can't even STAND UP STRAIGHT. The 70's were cheesy.
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couldn't agree with you more...pretty solid argument
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Sept. 7, 2011, 11:42 p.m. CST
I HAVE A FEELING THEY'RE GOING WITH SUPERMAN AS NEO ANGLE (LIKE BEFORE)
by Meadowe
'k here me out on this one. The pics of the suit had me thinking about all the other Superman live action suits and I came across one with Dean Cain in a black suit with a blue s from the last year of L&C. That outfit along with Dean Cain having Asian blood reminded me of Keanu Reeves as Neo and how he was basically Superman in the Matrix especially in that awesome last battle with Smith. Anyway, like I had said in another talkback, the girl that plays Faora looked a lot like Carrie Anne Moss aka Trinity to me. I have a feeling that we may see a love triangle with Kal-El Zod Faora. And of course ZS' background with flashy slow-mo shots you can see why I think they're going that route. Back to the bts pic I think it's an aight shot and I recently got into the first two Superman films and I can see why they're so revered.
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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=81830
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...failed because of that ending. Woof! Any screenwriting student can tell you: Act 2, the good guy and bad guy tangle, bad guy wins. Act 3, the good guy and bad guy tangle, good guy wins. Okay, Act 2 we have Lex Luthor stabbing Superman. Bad guy wins. But Act 3...Lex flies off in a helicopter leaving Superman to battle a big piece of rock!!? What the -- !!? No big confrontation between good guy and bad guy? Completely unsatisfying. And don't even get me started on the "General Hospital" ending where instead of being on the edge of our seats with excitement, I'm watching Superman in a hospital bed having tubes stuck up his nose. WOW, what a miscalculation!
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Sept. 8, 2011, 12:36 a.m. CST
the score is so awesome of course we'd all love to hear it again
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
but c'mon. This is a different Superman. If they ditch the original score I can live with that. Although I believe the modern movie themes seem week compared to the past.
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I absolutely love this movie, but only the original one I saw in the theater back in 1978. That sound mix. That edit.
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It was missing in action, the scenes with Superman flying around at the end look extremely dated. The compositing is horrible. Modern computer programs achieve seemless compositing, and it's a good thing.
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Hugh's Wolvie is a close second to Chris's Superman?! The dude is a foot too tall (Wolvie's near-midget size... hence the name), constantly over-acts and feels the need to move his eyebrows up and down and side to side to convey emotion, and cries in every movie he's in... AS WOLVERINE! I think he's the most un-Wolverine Wolverine I've ever seen. Reeve as Supes is nearly untouchable, though. I'll give you that. Keaton as Batman had a lot of presence despite his shortcomings. He leaves Bale's portrayal in the dust. Some argue that but after Bale's has aged they'll understand they were wrong. Keaton felt like he could be a hero or a villain. Just like Batman should feel. I think I'd give him 2nd place. Kelsey's "Beast" in X3 is an easy third. I kid.
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So sue me. I liked it. So did others, get used to it.
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You only have to look at this AWESOME still of Donner in the Fortress of Solitude to realise that.
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Just wait and see... :)
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Mario Puzo wrote the story and co-authored the screenplay. Some guy in his late 50s, who I would put money down wasn't a comic book geek (although he probably saw the original Batman and Superman as a teenager in Hell's Kitchen), came up with a lot of iconic stuff that appears nowhere else in the canon, whatever that is. Superman Returns was "written" by two nobodies in their 20s and Man of Steel is being written by the brains behind Blade:Trinity. See the difference?
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From the title, I thought it'd either be an image of Reeve struggling in the pool, or maybe Reeve, Hackman and Beatty looking down at that map of New California: Lex's California. But this image is still great, of course. By the way, look at Ms. Teschmacher's land on that map, it's two giant mounds, and they look a lot like, umm...
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I'm going to have to ask that you turn in your geek card, sir.
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I don't know why so many people are confused about that.
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And then Kate Melon Head Bosworth and her stupid problems appeared, along with the kid. Parker Posey didnt help much either. It needed A: More scenes like the plane rescue (incredible) B: No Kid C: No Luther D: No 'soul searching"
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I can just imagine all the little children enjoying reading their copy of the Superman graphic novel RED SON. Or maybe not, because it wasn't intended for little children.
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If Snyder were a clever bugger, he'd trick us all but good. First off the suit we see is not the one Supes ultimately chooses. Maybe the one we see is "test" outfit, trying to find what works. After he's defeated the baddies, he settles on the classic design, upon reveal we hear the Williams music. Probably won't happen, but would be cool.
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YOU are a moron! Where have you been, twat? It's obvious you know nothing about Superman or comics period so shut your gob!
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I still do not like the Donner cut completely, some good things, but not all. I suggest anyone to seek out the fan-edits of the film, several are very good. Actually any edit that changes the ending to Lois crying (no memory kiss) and Supes flying off to deal with the dummy and repair the White House is still the best one.
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Mario Puzo also included dumb crap like Lex eating kleenexes when he was nervous, Superman spotting a bald guy on the sidewalk, grabbing him and realizing it's really, TELLY SAVALAS who then says, "Who loves ya, baby?!" (would make no sense to anyone watching the flick today) To gain entrance into LL's Central Station lair, Supes had to sit on the toilet and pull the chain, ugh. Zod was instead called, "Kru-El", get it? Cruel? Har har. Donner really saved this pic, he removed all the dumb crap and brought in Mankewietz.
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Really. Let's try on some scientific problems for size. First, yes, Relativity might be honored, but can we consider that without any means of propulsion, even rocket-powered ass-gas, Superman manages to go faster than light? Second, even if he could get himself going to that speed, and somehow draw the energy to do so from somewhere, wouldn't the energy needed for him to do that be so incredibly extreme as to kill everybody on the face of the planet with the heat and ionizing radiation he'd be giving off? Third, just how would he change all the molecules in his body without killing himself? Maybe we can stop and consider that perhaps the storytellers took some liberties all over the place, and there really isn't a way to make this a scientifically realistic film without cutting the shit out of it. I think perhaps we should sit down, and absorb the shock that Superman, as a real being, is physically impossible and biologically impossible on any number of different levels. i mean, he's a human-shaped alien, for crying out loud, he's not exactly plausible on a biological level. It's a made up story! I actually enjoyed Superman Returns, and got a kick out of the kid. Problem with audiences today is that they come into the theatre with their imaginations half crippled. Movies are like dreams- no, they are dreams at a most fundamental level. What's important is that they are meaningful, not that they are accurate to reality. There are movies that do that well, mind you, but accuracy, plausibility, and realism are only important for certain kinds of movies. Scientific plausibility in a movie like Superman is basically window dressing so the picky folks don't try to wake up from the dream. It's not that important to the story, in any real manner.
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Sept. 8, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST
aquatarkusman, Puzzo went to the WB offices and talked to the comic writes
by kabookieslap
at the time and go the complete history of Superman and immersed himself into the lore. But Zodisgod is right about most of that stuff except the telly Savalaes thing. That was Benton and Newman's script. My understanding from an interview with Donner is that Luthor stabs a guy in Puzo's 400 page treatment. But When Donner got hired he called up Mankeiweitcz (sp) and he created all that we see on the screen. Donner just oversaw it.
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Right...I had forgotten about those hacks! Sorry.
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Exactly. You have'nt even cracked the time paradox issues raised up by Supes going back in time. These are same drooling turds that get "annoyed" at Star Wars for having sound in space. JUST A MOVIE- ENJOY IT!
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My son. By now you will have reached your 18th year, as it is measured on Earth. By that reckoning, I will have been dead for many thousands of your years.
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Sept. 8, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST
Did someone jsut edit my post. How did a 4 paragraph post
by kabookieslap
That I just made get turned into a 1 sentence post? Are they moderator editing posts here now and not telling us?
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but which one!!
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It's not a "march" but I love it anyway!
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Now Snyder's going to ruin the Superman franchise like Joel Schumacher did the Batman films. Schumacher was obsessed with butts and now Superman has no trunks. Ick, that costume looks terrible. Me, I personally wanted a follow-up to SUPERMAN RETURNS, where Superman learns that he actually did NOT impregnate Lois, and her son was the offspring of some other super-powered being. Then they could have had a knock down, drag out, slobber-knocker fight that would have been fueled by Superman's rage at being wrongly convinced what he believed in was a lie.
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next to yul bryner, he was the most famous bald man on the planet at the time
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was first to be offered Lex Luthor Role and they paid him a ton of money to take it. I had also heard he was initially offered the Jor El role too just before Brando's friend called Illya Salkind about him being able to get Brando and actually delivering on that. But the funding came with the early casting of Hackman and Brando, so that is my understanding of it.
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Paul Newman was offered his choosing as Superman, Lex Luthor or Jor-El for $4 million, turning down all three roles.
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Bring me a room temperature Fresca with a bendy straw up to my tall, tall camera crane, you gopher dopher piece of shit. No. I said a RED bendy straw. Go back and bring me another one.
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Gotta love those hangover glasses Ready! Scotch! Action!
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Anyone who tries say otherwise cannot reason with me.
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