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Boba Fett? Boba Fett? Where!?! Why, right here! The Behind the Scenes Pics of the Day!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!
I know I just had a couple shots from Jedi and I hate to be so repetitive, but when I get a series of images as sweet as the below I just can’t help myself. And I think we all need a little remembrance of the good old days, before the dark times, before blinking Ewoks and a few more horribly placed “Noooooo”s.
Even before the new tinkering there’s always been some controversy about Boba Fett’s apparent demise in the belly of the toothy anus known as the Sarlac, but sometimes you’re just unlucky. I don’t think the Fett did anything reckless or stupid. He was distracted fighting a Jedi. If he had been going after Han directly our favorite Space Pirate wouldn’t have made it. We know this. It was just a lucky shot from a blind man as The Fett was busy almost killing a damn Jedi Knight.
A reader calling himself “User897” sent in a link to a forum posting at The Prop Store site that has an incredible collection of photos from a group of Star Wars nuts who discovered the desert shooting location for the Tatooine sequences in Return of the Jedi and snapped vintage spy pics of the filming.
What’s especially interesting is reading the accounting of the trip, having no idea where the series was headed after Empire… like seeing Lando’s stunt double in bad guy armor and thinking that he may have re-double-crossed our heroes.
There are dozens of pics, including stuff with the cast, tons of Jabba’s barge and other fun Star Wars goodness, which you should click on over to see, but I’ve taken my favorite series of shots and posted them below.
Here are seven pictures of Boba Fett taking a flying leap to meet his destiny taken by one Mr. Mike Davis. I hope they bring out as much of the geek in you as they did in me. Enjoy!
If you have a behind the scenes shot you’d like to submit to this column, you can email me at quint@aintitcool.com.
You’re tearing tomorrow’s behind the scenes pic apart!!!
-Eric Vespe
”Quint”
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Click here to visit the complete compilation of previous Behind the Scenes images, Page One
Click here to visit the complete compilation of previous Behind the Scenes images, Page Two!
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No NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. really fuck u.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST
Interesting that they had the guy that played him flown from England to California for 30 seconds of film.
by rev_skarekroe
They could've thrown anybody into that suit in Jedi.
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...fuck you George.
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Boba still dies like a punk. Why can't Lucas fix something worth fixing. Like the way Boba buys the farm.
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...go fuck yourself George. (but I will buy the Blue Ray Edition before I tell you how deep you can shove it.)
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So what changes are in the blu? Anything else we should be worried about?
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You're tearing this team apart!
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Sept. 2, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST
Ughhh... Apparently we're now obligated to follow *this* dumb kid's story, too...
by jimmy rabbitte
...that's what happens when you sell the most action figures... Thank-you very much, "fan-boys"!
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Sept. 2, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST
by the_credible_hulk - from what i hear, Lucas hates Boba more than fans.
by zom-bot.com
i remember hearing words from his mouth on some behind the scenes where he pretty much hated boba fett and never understood the appeal and fanbase around him. it's another reason why they tweaked and added the sarlac's 'mario bros pirhana-plant mouth' that once and for all EATS Boba so there would be no debate about if he escapes or not. i guess he hates boba because boba is mysterious and understated and feeds the imagination, unlike george who wants to explain everything now, even giving boba's stupid history and taking away from his mystique.
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Jar Jar could whip his ass.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST
and by 'hated more than fans, i mean more than LUCAS hates fans
by zom-bot.com
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http://www.propstore.com/content/rotjscans/kenny1.jpg
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Sept. 2, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST
Actually I'd go for having Boba Fett scream "NOOOO!!" as he hurls toward the Sarlaac
by Samuel Fulmer
Instead of that weird mouse being sat on by Wayne Knight scream.
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So you just went from whining about Lucas feeling the need to explain everything to posting an explanation of your previous post. Stay classy San Diego.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST
i only noticed blinking ewoks, and their strange cgi eyes, noonooooooo and the krayt dragon so far
by tHEgREATgABBO
on the blu rays, nothing in empire
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Sept. 2, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST
The should digitally insert Vader screaming "Noooo!" in that scene where his daughter is making out with her brother.
by hank henshaw
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and so do his gay ass movies for kids (take that, middle aged dorks with Star Wars based usernames). Anything good about his movies are happy accidents. He owes far more to his talented employees like John Dykstra. Fuck all six films. They are only worth a look on a hungover Sunday afternoon on cable when I'm too burned out to spank the monkey.
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Has anything been changed other than CGI Yoda????? Has Hayden Christmaston been replaced with a semi-decent actor. Has Jar Jar been replaced with Yogi Bear? Does Liam Neeson look like he's not collecting a pay check?
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from having Boba Fett scream 'YAAAA-HAAA-HAAA-HOOOOOEEEEY' as his rocket took off.
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The main problem is the sound. Someone went overboard on the sound mixer. It's ridiculous. Just watch it again and listen.
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Goddammit, George... NO! Shit, we already expounded nearly 1500 posts on this subject not two days ago. I'm burnt out. All I can say now is.. Noooo... NOOOOOOOO!!!!
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I know I know, nerd rage. But really, Star Wars was just riffing on the old Saturday Matinee movies...and the man has done nothing but ripe himself...and his fans off for years. You had 3 piece of shit movies to get it right George and you failed...stop tinkering with the originals. I am sure at this point buying a blu-ray of the original release is impossible.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST
Funny that the fake film name for Jedi was Blue Harvest: Horror Beyond Imagination...
by DadTimesTwo
The subtitle fits Jedi to a "T"...
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And the scary thing is the dude looks kind of "excited" rubbing Fett.
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That's what this site needs, more Yak.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST
Special Episode of "Do They Give Anal?" for Fudgepack Friday!
by THE_CHOPPAH
Today's contestant is ... KATHY BATES! So ... DOOOOOOEEESS she give up the fudge lotus?
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You. Are. A. Hack. This diplomatic was once a pioneer' argument people throw is irrelevant. <p> If he really, REALLY cannot grasp the significance of that Vader scene in Jedi and how he's pretty much destroyed it, he's the perhaps the worst living man working in modern cinema
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Mr. Vespe, you are a fucking professional. I doff my cap to your genius, sir.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST
SIDESHOW Is The Best thing about this site (thanks for the idea Hercsshowerradio)
by nolan bautista
The Sideshow stuff is truly amazing. I badly want those Keaton and Nicholson Batman figures. Pricey, pricey, pricey. I look forward to the day that Warners gets back to that kind of Batman production. After the brilliant Nolan flicks I'd like to see something less grounded in a hard reality.
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Fact.
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Video is included with the link: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=7234
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just before it explodes. i mean, c'mon, its not like they're gonna fuck it up any worse
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Sept. 2, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST
Do the blinking Ewok eyes actually make clicking noises just so we'll notice that they're blinking now?
by The Reluctant Austinite
Incredible. And that new "noise" that Obi Wan makes to scare off the Sand People? Please tell me that's from some Riff Trax or MST3000 version?
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The common response as to defending Lucas on these changes is that "they are his movies and he can do to them as he wishes." That argument works for the prequels and for ANH. However, with TESB and ROTJ, Lucas did NOT direct these movies. In my mind the only people who have any sort of right (if at all) to tinker with an artistic expression (which a movie is) is the artist themselves. In motion pictures, this role falls to the director, which is NOT Lucas in those two films. I know, I know, he's the producer and owns the films and all, but he CHOSE not to direct those films and now's he's decided to tinker with someone else's movie. Not right Georgie!
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into the suit. No way a guy with his rep stands around as an easy target, without considering body doubles as cannon fodder. Though the clone thing was idiotic. The clones should've just been a handful of clones of key Jedi. More of a cold war.
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Is this the second behind the scenes pics of the day from this scene?
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The one fat bitch (not super fat, just a bit pillowy) I porked, back in the late 80's, was about the only chick I've boinged that actually asked for the old poopin van schtuppen. She did have red hair, and ginger girls are totaly whores for the most part Most of them I had to sweettalk/beg/force into it. It does seem like the skinnier the bitch, the more they are against butt sex. But then, I gotta pretty big dingus for a Celtic white boy.
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Y'know - I've always had a bit of a problem with that scene anyway. I don't like the way Vader lunges at the Emperor just as he snatches him, and why didn't the emperor do something instead of just letting Vader carry him to that reactor shaf, and couldn't the emperor have levitated or something after he was thrown down? I think if Jedi was released today it would be absolutely crucified by fanboys. Another thing, I bet the great unwashed masses will barely even notice that two 'Noooos' have been added. Having said that.....I do think that Mr Lucas must have lost his mind to make such an addition to the film, but I'll get over it in time.
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I've never understood the appeal of Boba Fett either. And now, I really don't get it, since he's been pussified almost as badly as Darth Vader's whiny, mama's boy, crying ass.
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even in behind the scenes pics, he's just fucking cool.
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Cause CGI looks waaaaaaaaaaaay better than the real thing!
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almost all humans in the original movies who aren't Imperial troppers or soldiers dress like dorks, in karate clothes, pajamas, and long sleeve t-shirts with vests. Fett has a cool armored costume that appears to be made of from different sources, and is all beat to shit from a life hard lived. Sort of like Mad Max. There is your secret to his appeal, fanfucks.
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"..lost the will to live" my ass.
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dont be a bitch!
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That was part of the charm, actually.
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on the right
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And its not an anus, its a giant desert pu**sy with teeth! I gotta make it to the gig man!
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and I still love it. Yeah new Jabba is totally unrecognizable and fake looking, Yoda still looked better in Empire, and Vader seems kind of drilling the point home to death with his less than subtle "noooooo's" but fuck man, George gave us a lot of great fantasy sci-fi. Now George, 1. Bring back Gary Kurtz because story matters and everyone thinks your surrounded by yes men. 2. Give Joe Johnston his Boba Fett movie and don't interfere. 3. Cut down the CGI and use both animatronics and models COMBINED with CGI. 4.We don't all go to the movies for the effects alone.
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you are a wise man, sir. it IS a FACT, despite what all these blinded morons think. SITH is an amazing film. and quite possibly perfect star wars. its what it was meant to be. i think that tesb is actually too good for star wars. taking nothing away from that film tho. tesb is incredible.
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Oh yeah, I had this little scoop of flesh eagerly offer up the cocoa corner a few years back. A little too eagerly, if you ask me. I'm not usually one to pass on a ticket to the Choco Choo Choo, but there was something ... off, shall we say, about her.
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We'll tear your soul apaaaaaaart!
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I've cancelled my imaginary pre-order, because I'm simply going to walk into the store on the 16th and pick it up myself.
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-Darth Vader 2011
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Sept. 2, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST
i don't get why they can't fix the lazer swords on these special editions
by tHEgREATgABBO
th one luke uses on the millenium falcon with obi wan looks flimsy and not as lazery as they are in the sequels. kids do this effect all the time on youtube. i know they fixed some sword work.
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C'mon ... a picture of Carrie during the gold bikini period? I'd rather look at that rather than boba on wires.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST
In that last shot, It looks like Boba's trying to score some meth from those dudes...Breaking Boba
by AzulTool
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Sept. 2, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST
Also in that last shot, It looks like Boba is live on stage with Grand Funk Railroad...Helllooo Tatooien!
by AzulTool
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Sept. 2, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST
Now, Han Solo, Boba Fett, Chewbacca, and the Sarlacc pitt all howl NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! during this scene.
by NeonFrisbee
Then Jar Jar jumps out and says, "OHSA NOSAH, LIL BOBA HEESA FALLSA DOWNSA SANDY VAGINA DENTATASA! NOOOOOOOOOOOSA!"
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I was in the scene where Boba gets killed. He was a cool guy to work with... I enjoyed making this movie a lot more that "Cowboys and Aliens" where I was constantly banging up and down on a horse saddle.
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The most overrated character in the entire S.W. universe.
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How is the Color Correction? Has it been fixed from the awful 2004 DVD transfer? Does the snow on Hoth look white or blue? Are light sabers the right colors? Does Han still Grab Leia's boob? These are thing i want to know.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST
I LOVE SIDESHOW COLLECTIBLES!!! NOW GIVE ME SOMETHING EXPENSIVE FOR FREE AAAHHH!!!
by arthur
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I argue this with my brother all the time. How can Anakin/Vader be redeemable? Luke sense's good still in him, when the dude killed younglings in ROS? Sorry, theres no forgiveness for that. Unless your christian, and accept Jeebus as your savior. Lol
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Sept. 2, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST
But why waste time fixing the saber effects when you can ruin other stuff instead?
by NeonFrisbee
When asked whether or not Emperor Fatneck wanted the saber efx fixed up he howled "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" Instead, he thought it would be more in line with his "vision"* if Yoda did retarded looking backflips in Empire Strikes Back whilst also screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" Also, inserting Jar Jar into the scene. "OHSA NOSA, LIL ANNIE'S SON, DON'T GOSA IN THAT TREESA! IT'S ALL BOMBAD! BOO HOOSA!" * His vision of utterly and completely ruining a beloved cultural artifact.
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Instead of an ice planet they now visit a 50s diner in outer space and shout NOOOOOOOOOOOO! at each other whilst Jar Jar performs a cover version of the "special" Jabba's Palace song.
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I think I am in the minority here when I say that I actually liked "Return Of The Jedi"...flaws and all...I admit that I liked the Ewoks too! The one thing that always bugged me about "Return..." was the way Boba Fett (My favorite Non-main character of the original series) was killed off in the Tattooine/Jabba's Sail Barge fight. It annoyed to me to NO fucking end that here was this bad-ass Bounty Hunter whose demise was due to a malfunction jet pack and who ended his days in the belly of the dreaded Saarlac. I would have liked to have seen a fight between Luke Skywalker and Boba Fett and him going out similar to the way his Father Jango did in "Attack Of The Clones" Ah well...anyone who is a Star Wars fan and who has read the Novels knows that Boba really didn't end up "dying" on Tattooine, in fact the way his resurection was handled in a three-part story arc/novelization was pretty decent. Thanks Quint for posting some interesting behind the scenes of Boba Fett from the making of ROTJ.
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Bwahhahahahaha! Only if you're totally cinema-ignorant. ROTS is blocked and shot like a soap opera. Acted like one too for that matter. It has cartoonish looking backrounds. The screenplay is structured atrociously. Anakin's turn to the dark side is so ham-fisted that I think George intentionally made it bad just to twist the dagger even more in us geeks he has such contempt for. I could go on and on. ROTJ has some things I wish were different. But for every bad moment there are 5 great moments. Some of the best in the entire Trilogy. After hearing about Jabba for 2 movies the character definitely lived up to the hype. Same goes for The Emperor. Heard about him, and then he walks down that ramp and into iconic status. He is fucking awesome in JEDI. It has the greatest space battle ever filmed. The speeder bike chase. Luke in all black and a Jedi! Again, I could go on and on. Get the fuck out of here with that ROTS better than ROTJ bullshit.
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A website pointed out the scene where Boba is zooming helplessly through the air toward the barge wall in the background, Luke kicks at a bad guy in the foreground, the guy jolts backward, but Luke's kick didn't actually hit the guy. Now I can't *not* see it! One thing that annoyed the hell out of me while watching TESB on VHS or cable TV: those matte squares around the TIE Fighters. Get rid of them!
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Sept. 2, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST
Blu Ray Release Two- The Madden Franchise Of Films
by Dyslexic_Palindrome
Good GOD, how many copies did Lucas Film release of on Videotape and DVD? I want to say at least three on VHS, and two on DVD (Im probably wrong, but those are the first numbers that quickly come to my head) You have to believe/know that Lucas and "The Ranch Hands" will fix Greedo shooting first, add Boba flying out the Sarlaac Pit, have a touching scene with Akbar, and do some competitive bonding beer pong with the Bounty Hunters. Oh yeah, lets not forget the doppelganger ghost battle of Sebastian vs. Hayden on Endor, which will probably somehow how end up on Pay per View first. *ugh* He wont stop re-releasing these films EVER. Ive often joked Lucas and Company will just keep punching out new DVDs/Blu Rays every year like EA Sports turns out copies of Madden Football. Soon you'll be able to vote for a cover Storm Trooper, or you favorite member of Rogue Squadron not named Wedge to grace the cover of the movie.... Like a Pavlovian dog, I use to run out and purchase almost every tape, every DVD, and damn near every actionfigure. Now, I resent the capitalistic machine that is Lucasfilm so much, I cant stomach to watch 4 out of the 6 films. Hell, I havent purchased the last two films on DVD for that matter. I doubt very highly I will purchase these Blu-Rays, and I absolutely love Star Wars and Empire. What I find most curious and troubling is that the evil reflected by both The Sith and Galactic Empire are essentially overwhelmed by the business practices of Lucasfilm itself. Their sheer need of market consumption to maintain a monopolistic monstrosity is more than disconcerting. Simply churning out the current wave of licensed product pablum just to maintain the market share by Lucas and his greedy underlings of corporate serfs.... it simply doesnt coincide with the philosophy they allegedly promote in their films and books.
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When the films were far from being touched up, and screwed up......during actual production....wow!
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If you have one of those Jabba Sail Barges made by Kenner in the early Eighties mint in box then you're a wealthy man. And also very geeky.
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A jedi has characters who are engaging and likeable, a fantastic score, heaps of atmosphere in the yoda scene and throne room, thrilling editing. I don't even mind ewoks either, if anything the only flaw to me is that Han being so goofy and phoned in But I just always assume that the carbon freeze gave him severe brain damage making him into a retard, and it all works perfectly.
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Boba Fett was a cool peripheral character. There was no need to see him as a Jabba lackey in ANH. There was no need to give him more screentime during that horrible Jedi Rocks song. And there was no need to give him a kiwi accent. Those 3 changes turned him from a cool peripheral character into a bit of a cunt. And as for the PT with all that Jango Fett, who had a son, who was the clone of every single stormtrooper, who was recruited by some jedi / sith fucker called Cypher-dias... FUCK DAT. As I said - Boba Fett WAS a cool peripheral character.
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But I only had those on VHS. So I went to my storage unit a dug up my VCR. Got it home and of course it wouldn't work. I ended up taking it to a guy in Studio City to have it fixed. He asked "Why are you going through the trouble and expense of repairing an obsolete piece of technology?" I replied "I want to show my kids the original Star Wars without all the CG." The guy doesn't even miss a beat and says "Yeah, I that about three or four times a month." Dear Mr Lucas, Fuck You in your weird neck flab.
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No, there's no real bombs besides the NOOOO! The other thing that really bothers me about the blu-ray is how shitty the 1997 CGI looks in this release (specifically the crap going into Mos Eisley in SW and Jabba's Musical number in Jedi). Visually, these scenes really stand out as something completely out of place. I have not watched the Empire blu so I can't comment on the Hoth scenes. I think the only change I've ever liked in any of these films was the new ending song in Jedi by John Williams. I give it a slight edge over singing Ewoks.
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Same shit happened with Darth Vader. In STAR WARS he was Oddjob. He was the baddie number one henchman. The muscle next to Grand Moff Tarkin's brains. You know that Nazi guy in RAIDERS who says *You're fire is dying Fraulein...* that's who Darth Vader was. And I loved the character for that. Didn't need to know his midichlorian count. Didnt need to know he was *the chosen one* in a bizarre subplot that went absolutely nowhere. And didnt need to see him whine his way through his teenage years. FUCK DAT!
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Sept. 2, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST
These behind the scenes yawnfests pad out an otherwise Coll News starved site nicely. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
by Arkhaminmate001
Why don't you instead show some behind the scenes pictures of the AIUNCN contributors actually contributing something vaguely interesting. Or a picture of Harry-Jabba the Hut-Knowles dressed as a horrific Leprechaun...Now THAT would be funny.
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There's a pretty good short story in Tales From Jabba's Palace that details how he escaped from the sarlacc. It's actually pretty badass.
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Dear Bam, If my calculations are correct, you will receive this picture two months after you saw the Porsche explode in a fiery fireball. First, let me assure you that I am alive and well. I've been living happily these past eight months in the year 1983. The tree that hit the Porsche caused a thermal overload which scrambled the modified lambo engine, combined with the alcohol absorbed into my bloodstream, and sent me back to 1883. The explosion destroyed everything that made the Porsche once resemble any sort of man-made structure. Unfortunately, the car will never drive again. I set myself up as a stagehand as a front while I attempted to repair the damage to the Star Wars franchise. Unfortunately, this proved impossible because George's vision won't be envisioned until 1997 . However, I've gotten quite adept at restricting my alcohol intake and driving at the local speed limits. Do not, I repeat, do not attempt to come back here to get me. I am perfectly happy pulling what was once a cool character that becomes a total clusterfuck of future tinkering and fuckering on wires, and I fear that unnecessary time travel only risks further disruption of the the empty worthless shell that is now the Star Wars franchise. And please take care of Proving Ground on G4 for me. I know that you will give it good ratings. Remember to watch it twice a day, and that the hot chicks on G4 are stupid, shallow, and extremely annoying. These are my wishes; please respect them and follow them. And so Bam, I now say farewell and wish you Godspeed. You've been a good, kind, and loyal friend to me. You've made a real difference in my life. I will always treasure our relationship and think on you with fond memories, warm feelings, and a special place in my heart. Your friend in time, Ryan "Watch Out For That Tree" Dunn May 25, 1983.
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So fucking hard seeing as his influence is everywhere...but really, all his tinkering has been shit. Just give us what we want, new chapters in the Star Wars story...or even better, invent a timemachine and fucking make sure Episodes 1-3 were NEVER FUCKING MADE !!! :(
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Vader's character became plenty complex anyway in EMPIRE and JEDI. You really got the impression that a grown-ass man made the decision to join the Dark Side and fuck shit up.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST
Phil Tippets comments on the blu-ray changes 'They're shit'.
by SmokingRobot
Full article: http://tinyurl.com/3jwhvkp
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If you think Sith is better than Jedi, you're a fucking idiot.
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You know just as an example of how a simple change or thinking things through a bit more would improve upon the prequels, without even radically changing the plots (or lack there of) If Boba had been Jango's natural born son, and not a clone, then it at least would make for an interesting comment on the profeciency of Boba Fett vs The mass produced testtube clones that are essentially his siblings. But thats just a random thought, in general I would prefer no Jango, or kid Boba at all. Also another example of Lucas' backwards thinking of ruining the originals to make them match with the prequels instead of just making the prequels properly: instead of redubbing all of Boba fetts lines in ESB, why not cast someone as Jango/clones in AOTC/ROTS who actually SOUNDS like the bad ass voice (not sure of the actor) from ESB?
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Sept. 2, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST
GEORGE LUCAS HAS A SHARP PAIN SHOOTING UP HIS RIGHT ARM, AND BLOOD IN HIS STOOL.
by AzulTool
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Chop, yes that's why ESB is Vader's finest hour. He's the muscle henchman that's been kept on Tarkins leash. But with Tarkin dead Vader gets to go it alone. None of this *release him Vader!* when he's force choking a chump. It's like what would happen to Goldfinger's criminal empire if Oddjob was in charge. Vader's just killing off Imperial guys left right and centre. He even kills an Admiral. Doesnt give a fuck. They are all shit scared of him and avoiding making eye contact. Vader was on a MISSION in esb BIG TIME. He also had the best theme tune. As far as im concerned it was his movie. But pls dont ask me to imagine Hayden whiny boy inside that suit, cos suddenly the magic is lost!
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Sept. 2, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST
The first and second pic are actually behind the scenes shots of "The Hangover 3"
by AzulTool
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Sept. 2, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST
Thank the maker that Adywan is restoring Fette's ORIGINAL gruff voice to his Empire Strikes Back:Revisited edit!
by Cervantes
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Damn the New Zealand accent in the "new" ESB is so bloody annoying in place of the original menacing voice in 1980's ESB. Nothing against kiwi accents but it seems so distracting in the recent ESB versions. He travelled the galaxy, stayed in many a weird place, was perhaps mentored by some bad ass mercenaries - all is perfectly acceptable for Boba's accent to change from that of AOTC to ESB.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST
My favorite part in Jedi is when Lando turns ghetto and yells at Han "I thought you were blind"!!
by vetepalapinga
I´m serious. Now that I´m old and shit... I also think Sith is better than Jedi. Why? Ewoks. It has fucking Ewoks so shut the fuck up.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST
I always wished the clones in aotc/rotj had that little radio 'click' sound book ending their dialogue
by Rebel Scumb
Like in ANH whenever the stormtroopers talk, it was a nice little detail that added a lot of weight to what is ultimately a silly concept. Sure its a small thing, and the prequels would still be a mess regardless, but it's the care and attention to things like that missing that feel like microcosms of the overall bigger problem with those movies.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST
I'm always surprised Han doesn't kill Lando for revenge on the skiff in ROTJ
by Rebel Scumb
from his point of view the last thing Lando did was betray them to Vader, he doesn't know about 'turns back to being a good guy' stuff Lando does after that. But again I chalk it up to the carbon freeze brain damage.
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it always bothered me- why were hands hands up in agony in the carbonite, when they were bound in front of him when he was lowered in and flash frozen? friends have try to defend and say that the flash freezing made his bindings shatter and his hands when up instinctively. yeah i don't know. my girlfriend actually had a better theory- that while he was bound and lowered, he was already freeing himself with a hidden tool, houdini style...even though he seemed to be giving in to his fate, it was to hide the fact he was actually working on his escape... and that's what i love about the original trilogy and and movies like it. there are plot holes but we like them anyway. we apologize for them. we fill in the blanks with our own logic. it makes us think, talk, become a part of it. now Lucas is intent on ridding the films of all the little things that made it all so great. i ask anyone to watch ESB on the new blu-ray (torrented, of course) and see if Lucas has added han fidgiting with his bindings, or if they show him palm a tool as he is lowered in. ...i dont expect that, but you never know.
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well, this just shows i need to rewatch things- i studied up on it, apparently you see the little pig dude removing the shackles behind han....his upper arms are still bound to his torso, he can't lift his arms above the elbow. still, his carbonite hands seem too high for that position...and when he is realeased, he's no longer in the upper arm strap either.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST
Even the carbonite case was stolen from the 70s french comic Valerian and Laureline
by KilliK
Lucas is indeed a hack who made a career and fortune by stealing the ideas and work of other real artists.shame on him.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST
In the Blu-ray version, does his head fall off and then into the Pit first?
by CherryValance
Because then it would bookend dear old "dad"'s death. :D You know, now that I think of Boba Fett's stupid death, maybe that's where JK Rowling got Sirius Black's stupid death idea from. They're both kinda like 'Whoops, I'm dead'.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST
as stated before- how far does artist's right to update his work go?
by zom-bot.com
especially when empire and jedi are directed by other people? with art and effects by other people, on what was probably a rough draft by lucas that was finetuned by someone else? the only one that is actually majority lucas was star wars...
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Sept. 2, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST
I HOPE THE WACHOWSKI'S GET INSPIRED TO ADD MORE KEANU "WHOA"S FOR THE 2014 15TH ANNIVERSARY RE-RELEASE
by Meadowe
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I agree with a lot of the comments but now no one likes Star Wars? Ok. See you at Best Buy.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST
SERIOUSLY, I WILL BE WATCHING THE SALES OF THIS BLURAY SET TO SEE ANY IMPACT
by Meadowe
Weren't they thinking of re-doing Raiders until south park made that one episode lampooning that idea? Anyway like I previously stated we have plenty of Star Wars in the way of the 95 vhs, and the original dvd's when they came out along with the bonus music video dvd on the epIII sountrack/score so our household will be ok. I do want to know however, if gl fixed the fact that Anakin clearly has a flesh right hand when landing on mustafar and not a glove or his mechanical hand.
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Believe me. The guy was a phenomenon, and really knew what he was doing. The directorial choices he made on Star Wars were smart, and bold, and inventive, and he oversaw almost EVERYTHING. Other people do deserve a lot of credit, for sure. Ralph McQuarrie, for one. Joe Johnston. Ben Burtt. Ron Cobb. Dykstra, yes, to some extent, although he wasn't as visionary as any of those others, more a really good technician. But Lucas was no lucky fool. He had vision, passion, energy. He was NOT driven by money at the time he made Star Wars. That came later. I think what began as the means to an end of securing independence from the studios became an end in itself. Also, he was so stung by the exhausting adversity of both SW and Empire that he started to become far more conservative in his goals, starting with Jedi. Now, three decades on from Star Wars, he's clearly a spent force creatively, making baffling decisions, seemingly because he has the power to do so, and because he obviously hates the fanbase that has derided the prequels. He must be driven by a "fuck you" attitude. Massive cognitive dissonance.
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I call bullshit on that claim, i.e. he was just a hack who ripped other people off. Point me to the movies that came out before Star Wars that did the same thing, but better. Name ONE.
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Actually whenever people tell me how awesome and groundbreaking was the 3-parallel action sequence in Inception,i point them at the 3-parallel action sequence in ROTJ. Granted, in Inception the three parallels of that sequence had the cool factor that they were,in the movie's context,happening in different paces since the time was moving differently in every dream level,BUT ROTJ was the first movie (in my knowledge) which did this kind of 3-parallel action thing. In ROTJ you have three fights which are happening at the same time and interconnect with each other: The fight on the planet,the fight on space and a more personal fight between Luke and the two SITHs. And apart from the fact that these three action scenes happen at the same time,they also have different tones,emotional impacts and scale: From the drama of a boy fighting for his soul, you go to the seriousness of two big space armies fighting for the future of the galaxy.And among them you also have a plethora of other characters,each one having a purpose and doing his job in that whole sequence: Han,Leia,Lando and Chewe,R2D2 and C3PO,the Ewoks,even the Admiral Arbak pointing out the obvious with his Trap line. The space battle in ROTJ is indeed the greatest and most epic space battle ever filmed,and no PT movie with their superior CGI effects can surpass it.
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http://i.imgur.com/myGT5.jpg now go tell me the usual cliche that geniuses steal and the other imitates,yada,yada..
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..."Yeah I may have gave him shit but he did give me films that have stayed with me...introduced to my kids...waited in line for ten hours..." You softies will be crying buckets. And no smartass, not of joy.
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that's why he made sure to have the complete ownership of the movie's rights,even before he started shooting it? As others have already said,yes Lucas was a talented man with some ground-breaking ideas nobody denies that,but notice the word: was.
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the mystery surrounding boba is far more interesting then the way that the character was used in films 4, 5, and 6. the subsequent flood of back story in the form of novels, and fan fiction has given rise to the myth of the last of a spartan type race of warriors and killers in ancient armor. the reality is a semi-mute soup can, with a surplus flash gordon jet pack. just a prefab scifi space underling, that could have been used in any number of films.
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"The space battle in ROTJ is indeed the greatest and most epic space battle ever filmed" There's only one problem with it: It's fucking boring. No tension, nobody we care about, no real sense of geometry, or progression, or why the tide of battle turns. (Why does it? I still have no idea to this day. The fleet is trapped by a vastly superior force, and for some reason starts to win conventionally, before the Death Star is destroyed.) The first death star battle is shitloads better. You understand the mechanics at every turn, you know where things are, and you care about the deaths. Truth be told, the ONLY one of the three cross-cut action scenarios that we really care about is the Luke-Vader fight.
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i.e. http://i.imgur.com/myGT5.jpg 1. I said movie, not comic strip. This renders most of the other points null and void, but... 2. There's only a passing resemblance here anyway, and the comic images aren't even particularly distinctive or unique-looking. The carbon freeze is the only thing of any interest. The others are almost hilariously devoid of noteworthiness. I mean - gasp! - a woman in a bikini! What a RIP-OFF! 3. The carbon-freeze wasn't even a part of the Empire script until relatively late on. 4. Almost all of SW's conceptual art was done by McQuarrie, Johnston and Cobb. 5. The Millennium Falcon was a late design change necessitated after the original "pirate ship" (which ended up after a few tweaks being the Rebel blockade runner) was deemed to be too similar to the Space 1999 "Eagle", which had come out during SW's preproduction. 6. That rounded ship in the cartoon looks nothing like the Falcon anyway.
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"that's why he made sure to have the complete ownership of the movie's rights,even before he started shooting it?" What he wanted more than anything else was full creative control. He demanded final cut, and the right to make any sequels. And the merchandising. Was he being a smart businessman as well? Yes, as things turned out. He must have believed in his vision. But consider the fact that during prepro he was seriously considering having an all-black cast, or to make the movie in Japanese, or to make it all with midgets. This isn't a guy craving for money along the path of least resistance. I will decry 2011 Lucas as a clueless and/or deranged buffoon. But I simply do not believe that this was true about 1976 Lucas. There is too much evidence to the contrary.
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...was something that was not regarded as a significant revenue stream at the time. That's why Fox gave it up so cheaply. Did Lucas know for sure that it would net him millions? He couldn't have. He felt the film was likely to be a flop, although I assume he was hoping otherwise. I think he was first and foremost a control freak who didn't want to see shitty merchandise. Then when it became clear that he was making SHITLOADS of cash from SW merchandising, it started him off on the path to becoming a greedy asshole with no artistic integrity.
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I read long time ago in the "Thrawn" trilogy of books that the space battle in Jedi shifted when the Empereor became too distracted by what was going on with Luke and Vader. In other words, the Emperor was somehow controlling or influencing the Empire's ships. I personally think this is expanded universe nonsense.
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He's just a shitty bounty hunter working for a Hutt in the ass end of the galaxy. Never understood the nerd love for him.
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time to go back to fucking that fat whale of woman who can't get her planet-size ass off my couch. god, i love her...
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When you look at people from the 70s, don't they look like some whole other culture? (assuming most AICN TBers are north american). So much fucking hair everywhere!
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70s?
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Sept. 2, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST
excerpt from ign.com of GL giving a speech to congress in '88 re: arguing against the alteration and mutilation of works of art
by Jesiah
"These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with "fresher faces," or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor's lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new "original" negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires."
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Sept. 2, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST
Granted, I understand he's speaking about future artists trying to change another artist's work, while Star Wars is all his own
by Jesiah
That said, I'm going to stick with my no eyebrow Sebastian Shaw and Anakin Christensen ghost because even if I did have the extra cash I can live with the dvd editions.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST
The only cg addition worth adding would have been of Boba blasting his way out of the sarlaac
by alienindisguise
but that's clearly too cool and would not be done by the drones at ilm and lucasfilm.
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All this is irrelevant, useless, and as constructive as yelling at the poor girl that popped your cherry cuz repeat times just didn't feel as good.
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Did Lucas fix that for Blu-ray? Man oh man, I sure hope so.
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He's a genius idiot. I've never much liked "business types."
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Fashion had not moved on much in 1981-82 when they were shooting Jedi.
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Sept. 2, 2011, 11:01 p.m. CST
Always thought original clones should have looked a little more like Boba Fett
by annie_michael_hall
I always thought that it would have been visually interesting if they had less tech-y armor and were more light and mobile but less protected than the stormtroopers. And then in the OT you would have Boba running around like a WWII vet fighting in Iraq. Just would have added to his cool/wtf-ness. But Lucas essentially made the clones look better than the stormtroopers.
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...in Pif Gadget when I was a kid. Georgie clearly reached into that cookie jar and lifted lots from it, golden bikini included. http://www.mintinbox.net/Dossiers/dossier_valerian/
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Sept. 2, 2011, 11:06 p.m. CST
RE: Thank the maker that Adywan is restoring Fette's ORIGINAL gruff voice to his Empire Strikes Back:Revisited edit!
by Jay
But unfortunately he'll be adding his own tweaks and doing exactly what Lucas does. But because his name isn't George Lucas, he's praised instead of loathed. Adywan adds battledroids from the prequels, completely re-edits the attack on the death star to his own liking. Color times a number of scenes to match the prequels look, fixes glitches that were always in the original, etc. This my friends is hypocrisy 101. If his goal was to restore the unaltered originals, than I'd be for it. But he tweaks it to his own liking just like Lucas. And dare I say, makes just as many tweaks as Lucas does too. I view his edits no different than I view the SEs. Neither represent the original unaltered trilogy. The only difference is that Lucas' SEs don't claim to be the unaltered ones, while Adywans does. And you guys eat it up because you think you're sticking it to the man.
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http://www.movies.com/movie-news/phil-tippett-star-wars/4324?wssac=164&wssaffid=news
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probably screwed each other over countless times over, through the years. In my mind's eye (splinter?) I can imagine a fun Maverick-esque series based on those two.
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Surprised that wasn't covered here yet since AICN was in attendance. From PT's comments, it's easy to sense he's bitter, but if you imagine all the blood sweat and tears that went into the VFX of the SW OT, now being further undermined by moronic fucking around, it's understandable. I think Joe Viskocil made similar comments circa 1997 about the alteration of the Death Star explosions (those Knoll blast rings), so this is not an uncommon sentiment from the SW effects department. I mentioned this yesterday in another TB, but the more CG is added to older films, the more the modern revisions date the peripheral footage. It's completely counterproductive in the end and simply a ruse to add something new-and-improved to an old product. Cheap-o marketing, really. Something like Vader going No-No are worse of course. What villain goes No Nooooo!? Tippett's STAR WARS meets BENJI anecdote sounds right on the money. Though, I'm not so sure Tippet is on the ball about mo-cap stages being a director's demise since, as we've seen with RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, mo-cap has already broken-out into the live action environment and can yield incredible results.
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Always thought Boba's fate was ridiculous, and I naturally expected him to blast his way out of the Sarlacc after the sail barge explosion, only to see the Millennium Falcon etc. soar away. No dice.
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Vader really does say "No... NOOOOOOOooo!" Seriously how do you alter the pivotal moment at the end of a classic film? George is a total douchebag for that. Once a great moment in storytelling, now just an okay one, dumbed down by George's "Nooooooooo!". Meanwhile there are still a bunch of matte boxes during the space battle. When the Super Star Destroyer crashes into the Deathstar, it's really apparent. I could have fixed that shot in 1 day using Adobe After Effects. Way to not even clean up the fucking effects douche.
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Though it did happen before a reel change so, depending on the screening, you sometimes (fortunately) missed the explosion part.
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Why? The original series in its original form is PLENTY good enough. Even the slug on the Emperor's face is alright in my book.
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Bookends, motherfucker!
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Cos I have a big old black box here with SW tapes that says "Definitive Collection". I thought I knew what it meant until I saw new SW VHS copies with half character faces on their pastel colored covers mere months after my very expensive purchase at the same record store. I felt kinda betrayed, but all was forgotten in 1999. Until the yellow crawl ended. When I upgrade to HD, the first Blu Rays I'll get will be something like 2001, Lawrence of Arabia (the version without the CG Knoll rings around the explosions) or Jaws. Or maybe one of George's smaller, more intimate art films I remember reading about on the back of a card while chewing my bubblegum. But not certainly not Space Traffic:Episode III:Palpatine in Front of a Window or Leaping Jedis:Chapter 11:Yoda Comaneci Gone Wild.
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Sept. 3, 2011, 1:14 a.m. CST
@obiben: the final SW laserdiscs also had 'one last time' stickers....
by justmyluck
... meaning one last time for the OT versions, which were eventually replaced by the 2006 DVD 'Limited Edition' 2-DVD packs - with the old laserdisc masters. It wasn't a lie, from a certain point of view '... a certain point of view??'
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He has done some very fine fan edits. He will put together the best of the best and perhaps will one day give us a true anamorphic HD original theatrical version. (Still hoping for the "Close the blast doors. Close the blast doors....Open the blast doors. Open the blast doors" version.) Save us Adywan! You're our only hope!
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Adywan has NEVER claimed that his were unaltered originals. That said, as altered versions go. Adywan's are better than those of George Lucas. Same is true of Magnoliafan's "Balance of the Force" and "Clone War" edits of the first two prequels.
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There has never been a more deadly or skilled non force user in the entire Galaxy. Boba is all hype, Cad is the real deal.
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Am a fangirl from way back when. Love the original trilogy. Will not purchase the Blu-Ray and can and will tell Lucas in colorful detail just how deep he can shove it.
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rebel scumb, good point about the little radio click that bookends Stormtrooper dialogue. However I don't think adding that to the Clonetroopers would have made much difference to making them seem more authentic. That battle was lost when Lucas decided to make the Clone Troopers all CG cartoons. I mean they didn't even make one Clone Trooper costume that a real actor could have worn for the close ups?! Didn't Lucas realize that the used universe of the OT enchanted fans and captured imaginations because of its tangible, reach out and touch it, look? It's decisions like not making any Clone Troopers practical costumes which make the mind boggle???
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Sept. 3, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST
Hey, George, when do we get a Howard the Duck Special Edition?
by Bloodhound
With the all CGI Howard?
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Make it so.
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Sept. 3, 2011, 5:17 a.m. CST
I am enjoying the anti SW BD talk backs. It just shows the world how emotionally disconnected you all are. The funny thing is, none of you see it.
by MajorFrontbum
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Fuck you majorfrontbum. Fuck you from the front and the rear. Rumor is you're not even a real Major.
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I hope so. Without the insertion of NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I won't know how I should feel about the scene I'm watching. Thank you George Lucas.
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Damn auto-correct, hope you know now what i mean :P
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Sept. 3, 2011, 7:25 a.m. CST
Why does everyone accept "I've got a bad feeling about this" repeated in every episode, but not "Nooooo?" Luke screams no when Vader reveals himself as his father!
by planetran_fan
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These pictures just make it look so hot.
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Sept. 3, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST
re: "Why does everyone accept "I've got a bad feeling about this" repeated in every episode...?"
by buggerbugger
Not everyone does.
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Sept. 3, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST
I hop they didn't fuck too much with The Empire Strikes back on. BluRay. It's the only one I'll buy when they're sold individually.
by Tristan
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Sept. 3, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST
So many of you are bitching about the changes Lucas has made, but many of you fuckers can't even spell correctly.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Use your fucking computer, it can help you spell. Some of you have valid points but you don't know how to spell "Boba" or "Han."
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Yeah, we're critical here. There's already enough of the totally ignorant masses. YOU'RE the reason the corporations that own the studios make movies that are homogenized, bland, focus grouped pieces of shit. Get in your beige Camry and fuck off you Philistine.
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I don't even watch the type of cinema you're referring to, so shove your cock-eyed rhetoric down your throat and choke on it, you fucking parasite!
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Three things on the Internet that are now boring 1. People slagging off George Lucas. Yawn. 2. People slagging off each other. Yawn 3. Me moaning about the two above. Yawn
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Sept. 3, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST
The asteroid chase is far more exciting than the space battle in Return of the Jedi.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
I still love Jedi's space battle.
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Luckily, we got Ian McDiarmid in both. His scenes on the Death Star were classic. However, they are two different films. Sith was the best of the prequels, but it's still all CGI'ed up, acting sucked, Vader's "NO!" Really? Plus, the bullshit ending to Anakin vs Ben. Like Anakin couldn't have just slid a few yards down the lava stream and then jumped to the ground? Or 100 feet up and over like we've seen Jedi do throughout the prequels. Shit, Mace Windu jumped down over 100 feet in AOTC during the Braveheart battle. So, like Cobra Kai says: The Prequels do not exist in this dojo. Word, Creese
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Sept. 3, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST
Jedi's space battle was great, ESB's was a cool quick chase scene
by ToughGuyRizzo
IT'S A TRAP!
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Thanx vodka!
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Sept. 3, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST
George Lucas can do a lot of things, but one thing he can do that he hasn't done yet....
by jawsfan
....is suck my balls. The Blu-rays should come with a roll of toilet paper and a spray can of disinfectant, because GL has taken yet another huge dump all over the OT.
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Sept. 3, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST
majorfrontbum, you "don't watch" the soul less corporate output?
by one9deuce
but you posted about how the now even more special edition bashers are disconnected from reality? Only someone with a corporate mindset (George Lucas and you apparently) would defend the changes to STAR WARS. You're confused, but there's nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately there is quite a few of you. Maybe you guys can start a group: The Order of Cinema-goers that don't understand Cinema. Or you can call it whatever you like. Good luck with that endeavor, I mean that.
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I wonder why GL hasn't changed that? Or at least make puppet Yoda's lips more articulate digitally, sorta like they did w/E.T.
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>>Didn't Lucas realize that the used universe of the OT enchanted fans and captured imaginations because of its tangible, reach out and touch it, look? Exactly. But in the prequels, the universe seems to have been made by toy designers. Anatomically goofy creatures, spaceship props that never in a thousand years anybody would buy could take off and fly away. And that's just a small part of the problem. I'm at the point of believing that Lucas and Coppola got on a bet while drinking at the ol' vineyard: - "I see your Return of the Jedi and up it with Peggy Sue Got Married" - "Ah yeah? Howard the Duck!" - "Godfather III!" - "I'll cartoon all over my special editions!" - "Jack!" - "Phantom Menace!" - "Phant...What? What kind of title is that?" - "Pour me some more of that Merlot..."
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Obiben, ha! Nice post dude!
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Not hard to imagine a guy with a rocket pack and missiles escaping a sarlacc pit. I believe even Lucas has acknowledged his escape.
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Amen brother! I am right with you there. I really like ROTS though I realise it has problems - the turn to the dark side to fast the biggest gripe - but its pretty good movie & the only prequel that comes anywhere near the OT. Now ROTJ - I don't get the hate towards it myself. As you say it also has its problems but c'mon, Luke badass in Black, Speeder Bikes, The Emperor stealing the show by being just the ultimate assh@le & stealing the show, Luke & Vader's climactic & dramatic duel to end of the saga in a just way (with or without the "No!"s), STILL the greatest space battle in movie history......and of course that metal bikini! OK so the Ewoks are like Teddy Bears when they would have been SO much cooler as Wookies, but I get it. It Works.(for me anyway)
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Sith is the only prequel I like, but it's still behind Jedi... because Jedi has Solo, Luke, and Leia... characters I actually give a shit about.
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The emperor was already a stereotypical saturday cartoon cackling wizard (one of Jedi's disapointments), but with Sith he jumped all the way over the shark to land in GoofyWorld. I'm sure you can implode heads using so much cringe-inducing moments.
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McDiarmid is practically the central character in Sith, which makes the movie impossible to write off. He did a fantastic job in that. And many people miss the point that the Emperor is irredeemably, fantastically evil, and SHOULD be over the top. It's one of the few things Lucas hasn't undermined in his own work, and he was smart to play up this element in Sith. I love Palpatine's little smile after he tells Anakin "You killed her". Great stuff.
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so was Vader when ROTS came out. Decapitating little children is not that easily redeemed by throwing an old guy in a shaft..
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Sept. 3, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST
=No fuckin Ewoks. No Ewoks = automatically a better Star Wars movie.=
by KilliK
Yeah because SW was never a franchise intended for kids,nope never. You know sometimes i can really understand Lucas's expressed grievance that his vision was tampered by other people ,his disapproval of ESB and his disregard for the old fans. I think from a perspective the ESB did more damage to the series,than good.
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Vader was the only person who could take out the emperor. In the end, he brought balance by doing so. He WAS the chosen one all along. Yeah, he did horrible things... but in the end he saved the galaxy from a much greater evil. If not for that, Luke, the rebel's greatest asset, would have died and Palpatine and Vader would have escaped before the death star exploded. Palpatine's death is what broke the empire's back. The destruction of the first death star didn't stop Palpatine, and the destruction of the second one wouldn't have either. Palpatine was the ultimate evil and he would have persisted no matter what. He was actually most dangerous when underestimated.
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that and the Jewish girl's sweet ass in those white,tight pants.yumme.
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Too bad LucASS killed him in the first movie... when he should have lasted through all three. Stupid.
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Sept. 3, 2011, 6 p.m. CST
At least the ewoks kicked ass when the time came... rather than winning by accident like Anakin and the Gungans
by Mattman
I never hated the ewoks. I'm always a little sad when the badass gray ewok buys the farm.
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Just like every other major character in Phantom.
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Seriously, I never believed that a few midgets in furry suits defeat the Empires "best troops". I'd believe an army of hundreds of them though..
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Sorry, they remain the single worst aspect of the OT. The only reason that they appeared to kick any sort of ass is that the Stormtroopers, true to form, stumbled all over themselves in a concerted effort to FAIL. This is why Obi-Wan's line: "And these blast points...only Imperial Storm Troopers are so precise.." continues to elicit howls of derisive laughter from me to this very day. :)
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Sept. 3, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST
"And these blast points...only Imperial Storm Troopers are so precise"
by Mattman
Haha... never thought about how ridiculous that line is...
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Sept. 3, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST
Literally everything about the movies has been bitched about here
by Larry Sellers
BUT WE ALL LOVE STAR WARS Seriously. It's a goddamn abusive relationship we're all in with Lucas. Just keep coming back, hoping for the best. But he ends up getting drunk and CGIing a black eye on our faces. I include myself because I happen to be wearing a fucking Star Wars shirt right now.
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We love Star Wars and we just want what's best for it. :)
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Depends on your definition of iota. The emperor became comic relief in the prequels. I mean goofy. Really, really goofy. Villains in Gerry Anderson's puppet shows where scarier than that guy. Anyways, looking forward for the next changes in the 3D version where Vader steps up from his operating table and leaps into a rendition of Putting On the Ritz with Palpy.
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Sept. 3, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST
You have a problem that a bunch of teddy bears defeat the Stormtroopers
by KilliK
who happened to be in their,unfamiliar for those soldiers, territory thus the Ewoks had the advantage of the surprise and the geography (Vietnam anyone?) but you dont have a problem that for 3 movies,all those military trained Imperial Stormtroopers couldnt hit their target from half a meter distance? are you kidding me?
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with your post concerning The Emperor. There is a menace to him in ROTJ that just isn't there in ROTS. The look he gives after Luke declares "I am a Jedi, like my father before me" is chilling. He absolutely hit the perfect tone for ROTJ. He is completely cartoonish in the Prequels.
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He laughs hysterically, says "GOOD! GOOD!", wears a black robe, and shoots lightning from his fingers. And then he explodes.
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His entire arc was excellent. The opera scene was quite possibly the finest moment of McDiarmid's career.
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and it makes it difficult to understand whether: 1.that was his real form. 2.if it wasnt,then how exactly the lighting didnt burn his face but changed his head into a big marsmallow. 3.In ROTJ his face looks burned(if it was at all)not deformed like in ROTS.Why Lucas changed it and why he didnt cgi-fixed it now. Serious questions of comological importance..
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Sept. 3, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST
Killik, not sure if your remarks are addressed to me but....
by Longtime Lurker
In fact I have a problem with both....that is, with useless Stormtroopers as well as useless Ewoks. Never did see the protective value of Stormtrooper armor either. Even with it on they are one shot kills. Might as well be wearing t-shirts. Then again, they looked cool back in the day. At least the troopers are UNIFORMLY bad shots. This sort of fits in with their being clones, I guess. :)
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The opera house scene. And that's purely because of the atmosphere.
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that doesnt make any sense though,since they are clones of one of the best merchants in the Galaxy. Btw the Dark Forces videogame (one of the best SW games ever) does address the problem with the inability of the armors to protect the ST from lasers: the ST use portable forcefields which can absord enough damage from the lasers before they run out of power,while their armor is used mostly for protection from enviromental hazards and discomforts: ie they are protected from the sand and the sun when they are in a desert etc
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Sept. 3, 2011, 8:15 p.m. CST
AT LEAST SPIELBERG HAD THE DECENCY TO CATCH HIMSELF AND STOP RUINING HIS OLDER MOVIES
by doom master
No shit...Lucas just fucked himself SO BAD by revamping his old shit that it makes him retarded and sad. Seriously...what a way to shit on your original fanbase.... Why hasn't he fucked up his Howard the Duck yet? O wait..give it time.
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Going back to his own work and changing story elements because he fucking CAN and because he thinks it's improving it. What a fucking loser....Lucas. You had MILLIONS..BILLIONS on your every word with the originals...What you did from 1997 on was a travesty. Fuk you/ fuck your trilogy...fuck your new shit. and fuck everything you stand for because youre not getting anymore money out of me, or fandom for that matter. Fuck YOU, George P Lucas The P is for PUSSY.
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And Palpy was CooCooGoofy, and the whole throwing the senate thing was complete and utter pie in the face, slip on a banana peel slapsticky computer generated schlock. And of course stormtroopers are terrible shots, otherwise the film would have ended real quick with the two droids getting shot in the head.
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"Merchants" ? I assume you mean "mercenaries" ? As to the clones thing, my remark was meant in jest, as in "all bad, all clones.. makes sense." Hence the smile face at the end of the sentence. I accept your point though. As for Jango being one of the best mercenaries, I regard that claim as unwarranted just as was the Obi-wan remark I cited above. In the fictional Star Wars universe, he and his copies may be regarded as such, but as evidenced on film, they ain't all that, although I will concede that Jango did put up a better fight than his copies have. Perhaps the problem is not, after all that they are clones, but that they are BAD ones, and that the genetic encoding error responsible for their lack of targeting skills has been replicated throughout. :) Clearly a substandard product that would NEVER have passed muster with Dr. Tyrell. :) In the end, George should have made them better shots. :) I remember playing Dark Forces as well. Great game. (Now if GL would simply focus on graphic upgrades to some of his games I doubt there would be complaints.) Don't remember the point about the force fields but I'll take your word for it. I have never considered any of the novels or games to be canon but for those who do, that provides a good answer.
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I credit McDiarmid and his career training and experience. The most experienced actors come off the best throughout the saga - Guinness, Cushing, McDiarmid. They find a way around Lucas's complete inability to either direct actors or write great dialogue. Jake Lloyd, Portman, Hayden...the less experienced actors did not fare very well in that void.
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You shouldn't have to read a movie novelization to know these things, but the novelization makes it clear that decrepit Palpatine is his natural form... and he throws the fight with Windu and makes it appear as though Windu has crippled him... when in reality he is simply letting his younger disguise fade away. Maybe Lucas wanted to keep it interpretive... although he's not normally the subtle type.
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I didn't say The Emperor wasn't cartoonish AT ALL in ROTJ, just that there's a menace added to it that really makes it work. He seems like a buffoon in ROTS. Although I do think the opera house scene is pretty good. The only good scene in the entire film IMO.
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Is when Anakin crawls on the coal beach and catches fire. Then they start spewing pompous dialogue again and it's all over.
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The 'bad feeing' dialogue is just a small, passing riff for serial cohesion, which mainly fans remember. A scream of 'NOOOOOOO' is an emotional alarm, a sign of rejection or despair and is fine for Luke when his hand is chopped off, AND he's on the precipice of death AND Vader drops an emotional bombshell. So, picture instead Hayden's Vader yelling 'NOOOOOO' instead of 'Argggg, I hate you!' on the Mustafar shoreline. Obi-Wan expresses his loss and says 'You were my brother, Anakin' as Anakin catches fire and yells, 'NOOOOOO!'. Now THAT would have been a knowing reversal for Darth's 'I am your father' followed by Luke's yell in TESB. At the point Vader yells 'NOOOOO' in ROTS, it's a ridiculous emotional beat in hi-tech villain garb doing Frankenstein's first walk. What villain goes, 'NOOOOOOOO', anyway? That eye-roller could even have been obviated if Anakin's 'Nooooo' was while being given the news from Palpatine on the surgery table while suffering. Then he gets suited-up as Vader and starts crushing the room while The Emperor laughs. ''A much better moment that could have been.'' So, if you're analyzing the SW 6 for potential continuities, bookending and GL's love for 'motifs', hopefully this helps! Though, GL doesn't think that way - Vader is now plush toys and bobble heads and kiddie coloring books. Adding 'NOOO, NOOOOOO!' to Vader in ROTJ is another step at neutering him for marketability, like Han's revised attitude to Greedo in SW SE.
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You can't stop yourself. There will always be something you want to change, and change back.That is what Spielberg realized and why he ended things before it got out of hand. I'm all for two versions of a story... a theatrical version with rating and running time in mind... and a final (meaning one time only) director's version where he can do all he wants with content and editing. After that let it be.
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new talking Vader toys which scream NOOOO whenever you pull their attached string. Fatso knows his business,he just doesnt know his movies.
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Just hauled out the ROTJ DVD for accuracy. Lucas says in the commentary: 1. If he had of figured Boba Fett was so popular, he would have made a more exciting death for him. GL specifically says 'death' and 'defeat' and compares 'the character that dies' for the scene. I think he's saying Boba is dead, and that he contemplated putting in a shot (for the SE or original?) of Boba climbing out of the Sarlacc, but thought it didn't fit. COMMENT: Well, you make it fit by having the sail barge explode as Boba blast his way out while showing the heroes escape on the skiff in the background. Or, have the final shot of Tatooine being Boba crawling to safety, only to see the Falcon etc. soar away in the sky to JW's music. 2. GL makes it seem that Boba Fett became so popular due to the PREQUELS! No, if the Kenner mail-in for a rocket-firing Boba Fett didn't do it before TESB, the HOLIDAY SPECIAL animated segment sparked interest. After TESB and before ROTJ, the fan interest in Boba Fett's origins (a Mandalorian commando, not a clone, at that time) was immense. COMMENT: Sorry, don't buy it, George!
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... I was never sure whether Boba was a clone Boba chose as his son, or his actual born son (I assume the former). Maybe fans who read the tie-ins can fill me in there, because my prequel knowledge is moderate at best.
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... will we ever get an EDIT button?
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Jedi is a better story, but I like Sith also because the movie is essentially one long lightsaber battle from beginning to end. When I watch the climax of Jedi with its pitiful few minutes of Luke vs Vader duel, my mind screams "FUCK THE EWOKS, I NEED TO SEE MORE LIGHTSABER BADASSERY!" I pop Sith in and 2+ hours later the universe has righted itself. I can always fast forward through the "NOOOOOO!" and other prequel silliness, and do. I also give the prequels a pass nowadays because despite how bad a lot of stuff in them is, they led to the creation of the Clone Wars cartoons. Clone Wars, in my opinion is light years ahead of any of the live movies in plot, action, and general badassery, including Empire. Clone Wars even made its small doses of Jar Jar tolerable, which is a tremendous feat in and of itself.
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not badass mercenaries.
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Sept. 4, 2011, 1:23 a.m. CST
the main thing I'm pissed about regarding the blu rays
by fat_rancor_keeper
is the way ILM implied that they fixed many of the saber shots and went as far as to post a screenshot of Luke's micolored saber on the falcon. Then on the blu it's literally only that ONE shot that is fixed. It's like LFL is fucking trolling us when they do inconsistent bullshit like that. Other than that - the shitty crossed sabers and the emperor's slugs are gone. CG Yoda in TPM is a welcome addition. But then again the krayt dragon call is retarded and Vader screams nooooooo like a jerkoff. So I guess we have to take the good with the bad......or just forget about SW altogether.
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Do I need to list the reasons? I know Jedi isn't very popular among some people, but when I was a kid that movie was bad-ass. I absolutely loved it. You know what was fucking cool, the ROTJ arcade game. Those bikes in the forest were one of the coolest ideas of the entire series. That said I really enjoyed ROTS as well.
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http://www.google.com/search?q=noooooo HAHAHAHHAAAAA!! :))
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It's in an exposition scene by the clone-makers in AOTC. Now there's a ridiculous name - and deja vu - remember the initial fan and press reaction to the title, ATTACK OF THE CLONES?
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Sept. 4, 2011, 2:55 a.m. CST
The biggest problem with ROTJ isn't fucking EWOKS and it isn't BOBA FETT'S stupid fucking death scene...
by fustfick
...it's that HAN SOLO, the most awesome badass in STAR WARS and EMPIRE STRIKES BACK...is a worthless fucking PUSSY in RETURN OF THE JEDI. And what's with all the rouge? In ROTJ, Han Solo's rocking more cosmetics than Lady Fucking Gaga.
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Have you seen the Blu Ray cut? Does ROTJ now have the extended shot of Jabbas palace gate and is Sebulba now seen amongst the aliens (if so how if he incorporated, a cutaway insert shot or added to an existing shot?).
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RIP The Emperor's slugs. Suprised Lucas didnt make them a plot point - black midichlorians manifesting!
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Sept. 4, 2011, 4:15 a.m. CST
This guy's reaction to the Blu Ray changes says it all...
by Kirbymanly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xS1ZzA5WD0
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Sept. 4, 2011, 4:20 a.m. CST
I wonder which rock band will name themselves THE EMPORER'S SLUGS?
by justmyluck
Cool, as long as they don't play JEDI ROCKS for their eponymous debut.
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...bought about 12 years ago are a treat everytime. And each time I stick them in the player I feel I'm sticking it to Lucas.Hmmm.
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Sept. 4, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST
BTW, the kid that played young Boba is simply the worst kid actor EVER
by Badger23
Every line he has in AOTC is an abomination.
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Sept. 4, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST
I purposley did not greet Lucas at his AFI tribute in 05.
by ToughGuyRizzo
In fear that I might slap the fat of his fuckin' neck. (And then of course get arrested and ruin it for the 501st forever)
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Sept. 4, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST
Badger re : Worst kid acting---gotta give it to Jake Lloyd
by Longtime Lurker
Young Boba was pretty awful but kiddie Anakin was the worst ever. To watch him was a soul draining experience. Just part of the general horror that was Phantom Menace, I suppose.
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Well, he went much, much further, my little green friend.
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The Emperor character might be the same but the performances are very different. I think McDiarmid seems embarrassed in ROTS, and hammed it up. Probably because it was obvious by then that the Prequel Trilogy was not going to be even close to the quality of the Original Trilogy. I do think he sounds exactly the same in ROTJ, TPM, and AOTC. But he comes off different in SITH. There are plenty of times when an actor plays a character subtly different in a series. Harrison Ford plays Indiana Jones quite a bit different between RAIDERS and CRUSADE. Of course the script plays a big part in how the character comes off in a film. The script for JEDI is much better than the script for SITH, which is probably why the performance is better. He just has better lines to deliver I guess.
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Sept. 4, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST
“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be ‘replaced’ by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas (1988)
by ChickenStu
The man is a cunt.
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Notice how nobody could give two shits about it even though the cost to produce it was probably bigger than the cost of the entire Original Trilogy. Lucas is a fucking child that likes flashing lights and bright colors.
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you could say that it's the most thrilling opening to any Star Wars film. Or was that Empire?
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The climactic ANH space battle and the ESB Hoth space / land battle were coherent. It's clear at all times which side is which; each side's objectives and tactics are explained to the audience (mostly by showing and not telling); what each side has to do to win is known; you can observe how each side progresses towards victory or defeat. In the Sith opening space battle everyone flies around in a circle randomly firing while Anakin does "cool" stuff that's not very cool. And then Anakin has to land with the Chancellor. In a sequence with absolutely zero sense of jeopardy or thrills that literally made me yawn when I saw it.
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..and still is from Star Wars. I remember people actually applauding while the stardestroyer passed overhead. And gasping when Vader lowered his head at the airlock door to make his entry. Two ships, great effects, good pacing/editing, elegant design and composition: that's how you start with a bang. And the space battle in Sith was just goofy. Not as goofy as Coco for Cocoa Puffs Palpy, but goofy nevertheless.
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Sept. 4, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST
One reason the JEDI space battle is better than anything from the prequels
by Badger23
Model-based effects own CGI effects. The one exception from JEDI is the Executor colliding with the Death Star. That would have been fucking epic if done right in partial CGI.
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Sept. 4, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST
The one exception from JEDI is the Executor colliding with the Death Star. That would have been fucking epic if done right in partial CGI.
by fat_rancor_keeper
^^ I think they could get away with using that same shot and just enhancing it with CG. Maybe add a subtle camera shake, tilt the view a bit more and add more explosions or something? Overall I agree the space battle in rotj despite being a little bit of a rehash is fucking amazing. I'm sure that will look great on the blu ray. For what its worth i liked the opening long in rots too though. For me that was a creative and cool way to get into the thick of things for the final part in the PT.
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http://hypebeast.com/2011/09/sandcrawler-inspired-building-by-aedas-for-lucasfilm/ HOLY CRAP! that's looks awesome.i want to live there.prondo.
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Sept. 4, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST
the opening of star wars episode III revenge of the sith
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZIPsXY7_fc I'm sorry but when I hear "model spaceships are better than CGI" I just can't take you guys seriously. The Vader introduction in Ep.4 WAS very cool. I just have an appreciation however for the exceptional special effects on display in Ep3. Not to mention the CGI CAMERA that was used to film that sequence. You can't do that shit with a real camera.
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There is a certain level of unreality throughout the entire prequel trilogy when it comes to the effects, space battles included. There is no sense of weight or physicality to anything. The CGI camera proves my point. When you do camera moves that can't be accomplished with a physical camera (e.g. spaceship flying directly through the viewer), the mind recognizes it as impossible and thus disconnects you from the attempted reality of the situation. I believe this is one of the principles of the uncanny valley. Just throwing a bunch of shit on the screen blown' up real good doesn't require skill. CGI in the hands of talented director can bridge the uncanny valley and provide a convincing reality. Lucas was obviously not up to that task.
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George... please step away from the franchise. You have damaged it beyond all reason.
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the camera is expertly operated. The opening 30 seconds is perfect.
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it is from a videogame from the 2000s.I think those CGI blasts and lasers havent age very well. And badger23 is spot on about why the CGI battle doesnt work well in the ROTS intor.
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When I first watched it...I thought.."Pretty fucking cool"; then I saw it again. I agree..it looks impressive in a video game kinda way. But there is just something "Not Right" about 100% CGI anything...it is almost as if the mind can tell it does not really exist in the real world. No the effects were not as visually interesting...but somehow they just seemed more "Real". They existed, physically, somewhere...the movements were not as crisp or perfect as 100% CGI graphics, which is exactly as it should be...because in the real world...nothing moves perfectly like the mathematical perfection of CGI models. There is just a coldness, a lack of weight, and a precision with CGI that the brain immediately picks up on. There has been nothing...nothing I say...that has yet topped the believability of the opening sequence in A New Hope. The scale, the perceived mass...nothing has looked as good before or since.
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I don't quite understand your comment. My guess is that you're suggesting the 'Noooooooo' added to the ROTJ Blu-ray is to create a cumulative 'turnaround' reaction for Vader - Luke impeding death reminds him of Padme's death, right? You can do that in other ways without two wrong 'Noooooo's' trying to make a right. First, the new 'Noooooo' in ROTJ from Vader sounds ridiculous, so dubbing in a 'Not Padme...not HER daughter...not MY son' type of line would have ebbed the stupidity greatly. Actually, the whole family affair type of thing in ROTJ was always dorky, but at least expressing Vader's turnaround reaction instead of some campy 'Noooooo' would have worked wonders if, I mean *if*, the Padme connection was essential to that moment in ROTJ. And it's not essential there at all. That's enough of that, however, I want to go deeper just to show how out-of-touch GL is here with the SW mythos. Vader was the master of his own destiny having embraced the dark side. The Emperor didn't tell him to kill Padme. Anakin/Vader killed her in rage, killed his mentor, Ben, in battle, killed his Padawan students, and finally chased his own son all over the place for capture at the Emperor's blessing. But we discover Vader is *not* actually enjoying being Emperor's Sith apprentice when, near the end of TESB, he suggests Luke join him to kill off the Emperor. So, that 'foreseen' dialogue in TESB sets up Vader's need to rid himself of the Emperor and rule the galaxy himself in a constant SITH-like ascension of power. Knowing that essential background, the actual Vader 'turnaround' reaction in ROTJ goes exactly like this: i. Vader wants Luke as his apprentice ii. Vader wants Luke to kill the Emperor iii. The Emperor wants Luke as his apprentice, and manipulates Luke into a battle with Vader iv. Luke neutralizes Vader to save Leia e. Luke spares Vader's life and chooses death instead of enslavement dark side v. VADER'S DESIRE TO HAVE LUKE KILL THE EMPEROR IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN vi. Having witnessed his son having the strength he himself lacked, Vader kills, and finally frees himself from, the Emperor IN CASE WE DIDN'T GET IT it during the actual turnaround moment, Vader's entire emotional motivation is explained LATER in the Death Star II hangar, as Anakin tells Luke he was right about him (having some good remaining). If Luke's mother (Anakin's wife) was a motivational factor for Darth's turnaround, it would have been covered back then in '83 with Ben's exposition to Luke on Dagobah. But GL never bothered with Luke's mother - only his father. Ben, Vader or Luke: there was never even a question raised of maternity (besides Leia's fuzzy ROTJ memories). It didn't matter then and it only matters now as GL tries in vain to re-construct some 'seamless viewing experience between the OT and PT - which is simply not working. Thus, outrage everywhere at 'Noooooo'.
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Sept. 4, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST
I will agree with Choppah...McDiarmid was good despite the script...
by conspiracy
and direction. That is just a fucking professional rising above the mediocrity surrounding him. It is too bad the man didn't have a real writer handling the story arc...someone who could have really thrown him some meat to chew on. I see much the same thing in the Harry Potter series. Half ass story, half ass script, until recently pathetic leads (still not good leads)...but a supporting cast that were the best money could buy and whom somehow made the whole damned thing work though pure talent and skill.
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I forgot to feed my cat.brb.
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In the opening of SW, you don't only get that jaw-dropping scale of a space battle, but also: - futuristic robots with human foibles - armed combat - evil and mysterious dark knight - a captured Princess - an escape with plans to save the galaxy That incredible story hook all in about seven minutes. The opening of ROTS is just two Jedi plowing their way to a spaceship to save Palpatine. Fans know Palpatine is a Sith Lord, so we reaally don't give a shit. Other than that, it's just weightless CGI blowings-up and flyings-arounds.
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In the opening of SW, you not only get that incredible scale of a space battle, but also: - spaceships that look used, not fake and shiny - futuristic robots with human foibles - an armed battle - a mysterious dark knight - a captured princess - an escape with plans to save the galaxy. SW '77 = an incredible story hook in about seven minutes. The opening of ROTS is two Jedi plowing towards a spaceship to save Palpatine. We already know Palpatine is a Sith Lord, so we don't give a shit. Other than that, it's just weightless GC blowings-up and flyings-around. As for the ROTJ space battle, at least there was a life-or-death motivation (though a rehashed Death Star from SW). It still was a vital component of an epic resolution - wisely woven between the Endor ground battle and the Luke/Vader/Emporer conflict.
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Slave Leia, arguably one of THE most Iconic images to ever be created within the kingdom of Nerd. Accept NO substitute. BTW...The Ewoks DIDN'T pwn the Stormtroopers. Their initial numbers, ferocity, and SURPRISE attack merely caught the Empire Troops off guard. It certainly didn't take long for the Troopers to turn the tide and start making target practice out of those teddybears. Most of that battle have the Ewoks being completely routed and in a full retreat. They were a DIVERSION...nothing more, nothing less.
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So much for that slave outfit. http://www.jennycraig.com/successstories/blog/carrie I knew I was in the nerd kingdom when Leia was prancing around half-naked on the sail barge and all I kept staring at was the frieze Jabba had made of himself and his servants hanging on the wall.
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Sept. 5, 2011, 2:17 a.m. CST
how is their weight to a spaceship in outer space?
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
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the best star wars scene of all six movie
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now I can be the guy bitching about it. wtf? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpNgENpH_nU Is that "just throwing a bunch of shit at the screen"? I wouldn't trade anything in that sequence for practical effects. Nothing.
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When I was a kid, and saw the original trilogy. Then the original trilogy was released on VHS with terrible "changes." Then there were three terrible prequels. Then the original trilogy was released on DVD with the same terrible changes. Now the original trilogy is being released on Blu-Ray with EVEN MORE TERRIBLE changes. Fuck this franchise. It's absolutely ridiculous that they can't give the original franchise a proper release. Lucas is a joke. Instead of going down in history as the visionary director, he's going down in history as the visionary director who keeps fucking up his own movies with terrible unnecessary changes. I'd rather watch Lord of the Rings than Star Wars anyday. At least Lord of the Rings doesn't have terrible changes.
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Sept. 5, 2011, 3:45 a.m. CST
If your post disappears, it may come back 15 minutes later...
by justmyluck
... as I've discovered.
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Sorry, I thought you were commenting on Carrie Fisher's weight. The better term for those spaceship models would be MASS. With physical models there are gravitational limitations on movement which photographically retain their natural mass. When you have a virtual model and a virtual camera and a virtual environment, a lot more work is required to tone down all the various axes of motion to a point where scale and mass can be represented (as adhered to) by a photographic record of motion by natural physics. Some CG VFX do this great (thinking now of the shuttle crash in AVATAR), others - like the ROTS opening space battle - have so much virtual motion and busy-ness, you immediately sense everything is impossible. The ROTJ final space battle contrasted a limited number of rebel ships with a crazy number of TIE fighters (which were zipping everywhere) but, if you look, the larger superdetailed models were an almost static reference of spatial physics and mass in the background.
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Sept. 5, 2011, 6:01 a.m. CST
...BUT, there are supposedly objects of MASS in space, so...
by justmyluck
... the virtual camera, the objects and the background have to behave as if they have inertia (or not), motion (or not) and all move relative to each other with those gravitational limitations or freedoms (natural physics). NOT, 'so much virtual motion and busy-ness, you immediately sense everything is impossible.' Comprende?
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of course ROTJ>ROTS, right? I am in the camp that liked ROTS. After 2 duds, Lucas' vision to tell Vader's story finally paid off in the 3rd film. I think there' s more to it than the practical models exhibiting weight on camera. I think it's more about the script and the storyboards/cinematography. You could re-create the opening moments of Ep.4 with modern effects and I'd prefer it. The biggest improvement would be the lazers. They are a bit clunky in the original series. When it cuts to the stormtroopers attacking the rebels inside the ship, there are lazer beams shooting all over the fucking place, none of which are in the correct perspective. While Ep. 4-6 have a tight story and are expertly constructed, Lucas says that modern special effects have freed him to make the overly complicated, meandering ep 1-3 which are over-stuffed with CGI. Obviously, it's the story that matters. Being confined by the limited practical effects of that era, Lucas and company seemingly were more focused on visually portraying a space battle that would 1. be exciting 2. have superb cinematography 3. hook the audience into the story I prefer the colorful galaxy in the background, the highly detailed, colorful, realistic looking spaceships, and the realistic lazer beams of Episode 3.
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you will find the pew pew vfxs in the game even better than those in ROTS.
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Sept. 5, 2011, 7:18 a.m. CST
re: "Jango..what a ridiculous name... this is a name for clowns not badass mercenaries."
by buggerbugger
Franco Nero's very badass 'Django' would surely disagree with that. Jango Fett is Django in space. Personally, I think he was a completely unnecessary character and there was no need for Boba Fett to be a little kid in the prequels. If Fett's an alien, there's no reason why he couldn't have been an adult bounty hunter for 50, 100, 500 years. Boy-ba Fett was fucking awful and so was his 'dad'.
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Who fucking cares? They guy appeared in, literally, about 5 total minutes of film before Jedi. The inclusion of him as a bigger deal later in the series (or earlier) was due solely to the fact that his action figure toy was extremely popular. (Leading to the issuance of Boba's ship as a toy, as well). The idea that the entire fucking Storm Trooper clone army was based upon Jango/Boba was incredibly asinine to me.
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Th limitation of special effects actually enhanced the creative process for Star Wars. As it did with Spielberg on Jaws. The advent of limitless CGI has exposed a lot of filmmakers with no talent from the great artists. The problem with having special effects only limited by your imagination is that you have to have a really fucking cool imagination to stand out.
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Seriously? You think that's the best scene in any of the six movies? Wow.
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"They guy appeared in, literally, about 5 total minutes of film before Jedi." He's mysterious, looks badass, and manages to outwit Han Solo, who is himself one of the wiliest bastards in the galaxy. He then takes the aforementioned Solo onto his starship frozen in carbonite and fucks off into the sky. That's pretty cool. After ESB, most kids wanted to know who this dude was. Of course, ROTJ was an exercise in utter disappointment on that front. Face it, ESB was the last really good SW movie, the same way that Raiders of the Lost Ark was the last really good Indiana Jones movie.
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I must confess I actually don't mind Sith. It has some howlingly bad moments, but overall it kindasorta works for me despite the shit. Faint praise, perhaps, but I do find it watchable. I quite like the sense of doom that hangs over everything. I will put myself in the "I prefer practical effects work" camp, but that doesn't mean I don't like the opening. It's difficult to dislike an opening whose title crawl starts with, "War!", that looks good with the sun half-rising over the edge of the planet and whose opening cue has thrubbing drums that evoke a sense of the great battles of the Greeks or Romans. Indeed, a nice sense of Greek tragedy and doom hangs over everything. Sith has some really effective moments, even though the performances are still crap in many places. As well as all the Palpatine stuff, the scene I like the most is the one where Anakin is pondering whether or not to follow Windu to the confrontation with Sidious. It's as though Padme senses the weight of the moment from across the city, and that Anakin knows that she knows. It's as though he himself understands that he's about to make a colossal mistake but feels compelled to do what he's about to do. For me it's the best moment of the prequel trilogy (not much competition, I'll grant you). And it's spoiled, inevitably, by Anakin's pathetic conversion to the dark side in Palpatine's office 5 minutes later. But just for a moment, Lucas remembered how to make movies.
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At the very least I guess I made my point.
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Revenge of the Sith was freaking terrible. Sure it was the best prequel, but that is saying almost nothing. Episode 3 should never be defended, and certainly no comparisons to Return of the Jedi should ever be made. The final confrontation with the emperor alone elevates Jedi to classic film status.
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ROTS, puhleeze - it's not even the best prequel! The whole thing was cheap, cheap, cheap looking. At least TPM was shot on real film, rather than the made for TV artificiality of ROTS.
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Most of FX supervisors today (several probably under pressure from the studios) behave like secretaries in the 80's: It's not because you have a limitless array of true type fonts that you are obligated to put 13 different ones on the same page, in bold, italic, underlined, multicolored, blinking, surrounded by dancing chipmunk clip art and what not. Have you seen the footage from Green Lantern? Reminds me of my first attempts at oil painting: throwing in colors to finally obtain murky greenish brown barf on the canevas.
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It amazes me how Lucas is able to sell a boxset to fans where 4 out of the 6 movies are pretty crappy. Sure, Jedi has some good moments, (one which was just ruined by Lucas with the addition of NOOO), and sure it still has our beloved characters, but the series jumped the shark in 1983. The Prequels are just terrible movies that only Lucas apologists keep defending. Star Wars and Empire are true classics, and have stood the test of time 30 years later. I looked at the specs for this boxset, and there is no way I would pay for this. The documentaries are pretty crappy, there are no original versions, and the deleted scenes will pop up on Youtube sometime in the future. If Lucas released the original fully remastered in the BluRay set, I would shell out the cash because I absolutely love Star Wars and Empire, but as of now I'll take a pass. Its a shame because this boxset should have been a no-brainer for all SW fans as there are so many things it could have included to please everyone. But as usual, Lucas has to be a dick and not only hold back the original versions, but make more fucking changes to them. Its so sad that the Star Wars base is bickering over this stupid shit when it would be so easy to avoid this.
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Sept. 5, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST
Jedi is 1000x better than that CGI crapfest that is Sith
by FleshMachine
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because 1-2-3 suck ballz. and no matter how lame you think jedi is, you're wrong...it's a wonderful story with great characters and real heart. Sith is shallow, nonsensical and poorly constructed in comparison. but if "cool videogame-like CGI shots" = "great film" to you then ok...you win.
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oh..sorry i meant throughout all three prequels.
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yep.
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that Django and Jango are pronounced slightly differently.
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http://www.hlj.com/product/kbysw-61
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They were probably trying to show off so theater owners would think they got something out of upgrading their sound equipment paying for THX "alignment". It's really obvious in the opening scene. You know the guy who says, "Inform the commander that Lord Vader's shuttle has arrived," in an incredibly booming voice? I call him Commander Dolby. That's his name if you ask me. Oddly, the sound of Threepio's voice is almost completely de-robotized in Jedi. He sounds almost human compared to Episode IV.
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just like puppet Yoda beats CGI Yoda. Sith intro was ps3 game trailer with no characters to relate to. the 1st 1/3 of Jedi is my favorite.
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It's great to see a quote like that. I knew he had said things like that but didn't have a quote handy. For anyone who reads this and didn't see it: “In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be ‘replaced’ by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas (1988) We should all mail that fucking quote to him every day. Anyhow... These Boba Fett shots are great. I love finding out new things and seeing new behind the scenes stuff from the originals, even if it is Return of the Jedi. Must have been cool discovering the shooting site, seeing Boba Fett, and not knowing that Jedi was going to be inferior to the existing two in some ways. Fun to see how they were speculating based on what little they saw. Kind of like how exciting it was when stuff leaked out about The Phantom Menace before we knew it would be an abomination and still thought it was really the fourth Star Wars movie being made. Oh well. I do think Ian McDiarmid was great in all the movies. He's the only actor that doesn't seem to come off badly under what must have been terrible direction from Lucas in the prequels (and by accounts I have read, Lucas directed the throne room shoot on Jedi as well.) His performance may have been different in the various films, but I do think it was good, even as over-the-top as he was in Sith. That's one of the only things enjoyable about that film.
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Sept. 6, 2011, 2:19 a.m. CST
Fuck all the Lucas haters you all know that if you met george lucas and he offered you a chance to hang out at his house or watch a private screening of SW or anything cool of that magnitude you would blow him for the chance to do it
by Jeremy Davis
Also Fuck Boba Fett he sucks he always has and you all fucking know it! Also George is just trying to improve things in the saga by adding things and sure it may seem dumb to most of us but SW is his baby and he deserves to tinker with it however he wants he owns the rights not the fans, all of you assholes need to get over it if your ccommenting on here even to say fuck lucas or something then you obviously still have some love left for SW or you wouldnt even bother!
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Sept. 6, 2011, 2:39 a.m. CST
It's become obvious that the prequel apologists are cornered.
by justmyluck
Not that we didn't see that coming.
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Or the name of a famous Spaghetti western character. Ass. (Django)
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The prequels had more model work done than the originals so really, cram that noise as i see where its going. LOVE the prequels so sue me.
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Sept. 6, 2011, 6:37 a.m. CST
I've come to agree with Trunotes over the years -- Boba is overrated
by bah
The most impressive thing he does is realize where the Millennium Falcon went. Other than that, what's his claim to fame? I suspect much of it is due to the fact that they rolled out his action figure as a special order only before the movie opened. Birth of a fanboy nation.
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In a shiny outfit. He deserved what he got. The obsession with a henchman is odd. No one seems to be lamenting the loss of "Odd Job" or "Jaws."
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Sept. 6, 2011, 6:49 a.m. CST
The complaining is amusing...the solution is at the ready...
by ZodNotGod
I have the originals, not the 2004 versions, but the lasers from the early 90's I believe. On DVD for my viewing pleasure. They look and sound great. So, it's a solution to the problem without having to look like a crybaby. DO a google search and you will find them. (The Rebellion Collection). If none of you have these versions, its your own fault. Either you solve it or continue to call Lucas names and look like a douche. I think he should release the originals just to shut the crack babies up, but he will do what he wants.
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It seems to me the lust for Fett didn't occur until much later. Well into the 90's maybe. ? I don't ever remember hearing about it when I was coming up in school during the movie's heyday.
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Above book has several stories that take place during ROTJ .. BEST of which is "A Barve like that" that tells about what happed to Boba Fett after he fell into the sarlac pit .. GREAT redemption for Boba for the way he "died" in the movie and totally in character for the Fett .. a GREAT story .. and gives some insight into the goings on inside the sarlac also with the whole "digested over 1000 years" other stories included some that explain why Jabba's barge blew up from a single blaster fire, etc. also check out the book "Tales of the Bounty Hunter" same sort of thing set during Empire with a story involving everyone of the Bounty Hunters and "Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina" set during A New Hope.
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I have enjoyed nearly all of the Bounty Hunter stories. Fett is much better in those than in the movies.
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Unfortunately, Kath Bates no longer does anal after a Milton Berle gave her a prolapsed rectum in the 70's.
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Berle was hung like a fucking woolly mammoth.
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I've never understood where this love for Boba Fett came from.. he isn't in Empire Strikes Back for all that long.
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Sept. 7, 2011, 3:35 a.m. CST
For those unfamiliar with the pre-and-post 1980 Boba Fett popularity:
by justmyluck
He was featured in the only decent (cel animated) part of the god-awful SW HOLIDAY SPECIAL in 1978. He was a mail-in action-figure offer from Kenner in 1979...appearing on all the SW action figures in that period. http://theswca.com/images-speci/mailaways/fett.html When you finally saw him in the pre-publicity to TESB, he looked like no other Sci-Fi/fantasy character and had little background. This is easy to overlook since Boba/Jango are all over the place, now. But back then it was like, WHO IS THAT? The battle-worn paint-chips, the rocket-pack and western-like shoulder poncho were the costume's highlights...again, there was just no other character like that before. Then you finally got to see TESB... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1KOalARyyM ...and, if the shot of Boba Fett in that sunset, to that music didn't blow you away, nothing did. The Slave I ship design and sound were the icing on the cake. I guess you could say the HOLIDAY SPECIAL and the Kenner mail-in were the 1980s form of viral marketing. As a side-note, I believe Hasbro re-created it all last year with a similar Boba mail-in where you could finally get a rocket-firing Boba figure, based on the 1970's molds.
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so lucas wrote them and who careswho dircted the movies u trekkie
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