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Is This THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Batcave?? And Check Out This Way Cool (Not From DKR) Batstuff!!


Merrick here...

An AICN reader named Brian called our attention to these photos from the DarkKnightRisesRumors website.  The site believes this location - the Turda Salt Mines in Romania-  may represent an extended view of the Batcave in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.  


The thumbnails below originate HERE - click the images to access substantially larger versions as well as other shots.  





Whether or not that's THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Batcave - that place needs to be in some movie - it's way, way too awesome.  If not The Bat, Bond? 

In a strange bit of altogether unintentional symmetry...and  tangentially related to the above newsbit (but it's all Batman..and it's all know)...this Batcave news comes to us just as Sideshow Collectibles' forthcoming "Premiumn Format Joker" becomes available to the public.  'Tis one of the damn creepiest things I've ever seen, and pre-orders open today if I understand correctly (click pics to take you there...)  





A truly astonishing likeness of Nicholson's 1989 / Tim Burton-era Joker is also up for pre-order...



... which accompanies Michael Keaton's Batman...



This kind of stuff has gotten sooooo good....


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  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    I hope he has a giant dinosaur in there.

    by Ditko

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Looks like the stage set for a new Cirque d'Soleil show

    by 3D-Man

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Another re-boot location?

    by Geoff

    Not-so-Dark-Knight-re-rises? "Why so Bright"?

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Clearly not a set from the film...

    by thefirerises

    Why would they go to the trouble of building the entire thing down the bottom of a salt mine that is located in a country they aren't even schedueled to shoot in? Not only that, but the fact that its set up like that suggest it'd be hell to get the camera(s) in and out of there, and to shoot dialogue - they don't seem to be able to move much of that stuff around. Anything Batcave related will be soundstage, no question.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    anne hathaway

    by ilovemichealbay

    I really can't wait for this movie. But its Ann Hathaway that i feel is out of place. I know in Nolan we trust, I know the same people said this when Ledger was cast as the joker but at least he gave some really performances and films. But Ann Hathaway i'm not sure that's right casting. Remember Katie Holmes - sometimes Nolan doesn't get it right all the time. But, don't get me wrong i can't wait for this.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Sideshow Rules / Great Era For The Batman

    by THX1968

    The Sideshow stuff is truly amazing. I badly want those Keaton and Nicholson Batman figures. Pricey, pricey, pricey. I look forward to the day that Warners gets back to that kind of Batman production. After the brilliant Nolan flicks I'd like to see something less grounded in a hard reality.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST


    by vicmackey1268

    is actually vicmackey1268....idk why I put my name down like I was sending a formal letter to an employer... proof? In the email to Harry I also put my last name, Rokosz...sigh But while we're on the subject...I'd love to work for aintitcool! lol The batcave looks beyond amazing, and anne hathaway's stunt woman has a sweet behind.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    holy crap that Nicholson Joker

    by skycrapper

    almost looks like a photograph.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    That final shot from the trailer.....

    by connor187

    You know with Bane walking towards Batman.........That's in the new Batcave. Or so I've heard.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Cave might be from Prometheus?

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    To me it would seem to fit that movie more than DKR.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    One thing I never understood...

    by oogles

    Who built the batcave? Bruce Wayne and Alfred? Wouldn't a construction company need to do this? I know Wayne Industries has built everything but wouldn't someone figure out they are building Batman's headquarters? I understand the concept of suspending disbelief, but I'd like that to be addressed.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    I would love if this was the Batcave.

    by Randy

    Seriously, this is a cool ass looking thing whatever it is. Works for me.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Burton´s Batman suit still looks great.

    by Ditko

    Kicks the hell outta Nolan´s Robocop stuff, imo.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST


    by vicmackey1268

    It is the batcave.... 1 set is being built in a sound stage for close up work with the main actors 1 set is from a waterfall being filmed briefly for the opening scenes, also on the website.... 1 is this set..the elevator and lighting is from the real salt mine and the rest is special lighting and effects with fake props for general use to show the awesomeness of the whole cave.... Also, it's perfectly fine/easy to be used for cameras considering people bring machinery down there all the time cuz it's a working mine. As of now ur right, not too much dialog will be used here since it's for establishing shots..

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST


    by vicmackey1268

    What they do is get one part from a distributor on wholesale and then get the 2nd part from a different company in'll have to be large orders, to avoid suspicion...about 10,000....but at least they'll have spares.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    That Nicholson Joker looks like Madame Tussauds quality. Wow. Anyone chance those guys could do Salma Hayek from Dusk Till Dawn? Lifesize. And fully operational.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST


    by vicmackey1268

    What they do is order 1 part from a company wholesale and the 2nd from a different distributor in Asia...they'd have to be large orders, to avoid suspicion....about 10,000...but at least they'll have spares...

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    "Turda?" Really?

    by Cletus Van Damme

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Looks Like...

    by Lee

    Rhas Al Ghuls fortress. I`m just sayin...

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    The real mine...

    by vicmackey1268

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Fucked as it is, Turda is also in Transylvania.

    by Cletus Van Damme

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Nice Batcave

    by Kendel Houts

    This is all kinds of awsesome. But with CGI the way it is, wouldn't it have been cheeper to just do this on a set? I realize that Nolan, loves his practical effects, but to do something this large, for only a limited amount of screentime, seems like a huge waste of money to me. But with the 200 million plus budget this film will probably have, there is no telling. Would help Warner Brothers to off set the low box office, of the Green Lantern movie. Never should have gone with a CGI suit. Should have stuck with the original designs from the comic. No need to have the suit have energy all thru it. Wasn't the suit that gives the Green Lanter his power anyway, its the ring. Always the ring. But can't wait to see Batman back in Action. Can't wait for July 20th, 2012

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by thefirerises

    Hmmm, thanks for the heads up - didn't think they'd go to such lengths to get what they could replicate in almost any old place. Assuming this is the new cave design then, its extremely high tech. Like, really, reeeaaaaallly high tech... woulda needed a little more help on this one. I assume we'll at least have Lucius in this film openly working with Bruce as if he's Bats (not to say he didn't kinda do that last time, but this time I have this feeling we may even see him down in the cave...)

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Yes, this kind of thing has gotten so good

    by Lone Fox

    If by 'this kind of thing', you mean overpriced statuettes you can't play with. Equal only to cosplayers in terms of wastes of adults' time and money. Who buys this shit?

  • Let's face it, Tim Burton's Batman can't turn his head, has zero peripheral vision and extremely limited movement. He'd get his ass kicked quick and would bump his head just trying to get through a door. Watching Michael Keaton try to move and fight in that suit was pretty interesting. If he didn't know when to duck a punch, he'd never get those pointy bat hears down fast enough. That said, it fits fine in Burton's fantasy world. I love it. It really takes me back to that time, and in 1989 Batman ruled the world. Batman was everywhere, and all the products were really cool. It was a great time to be young, and it seemed like the whole world was in love with Batman.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST


    by vicmackey1268

    They barely replicated on the link or copy/paste from my earlier post called "The real mine" and you'll see pics from late last year...almost everything from the Batcave pics already exists except they're making the batcave look more like it's suspended over a pit than just resting on the salt.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    also FOX

    by vicmackey1268

    was seen on set having a confrontation with Bane, supposedly trying to intercept him from stealing Tumblers, rumor is, from the cave.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Holy coolness! (ATTN: Thx1968)

    by Sideshow Mistress of Web

    Stoked that AICN picked up Sideshow's photos of Joker to share! Thx1968 we think u rule too, thats we're giving you a Nicholson Joker on us! Email with your contact info before 5pm PT, sept 1st!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    cool that the mine already looks like that!


    some of the lighting seems unneeded though- a little decorational....for batman anyway. how much do you want to bet it is Ra's Al Ghul's place and by the end of it Batman has taken it over to be the new Batcave?

  • You'll often see a lot of these maquettes appear on ZBrush Central, an art community of artists using ZBrush - a 3D sculpting program. ZBrush really gives you all of that sculpting power, none of the mess, and the power to bring in hard edged stuff from your other 3D programs. Plus... UNDO. Way more convenient than clay, wax, sculpey, or whatever. If you guys have the time and love this sort of thing, head over to some time. There's an amazing Hit-Girl on Pixologic's front page ( Amazing Chloe Moretz likeness. As far as this cave goes.... It could be anything. Would love for it to maybe be the batcave, but would still just love for it to appear on screen either way.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    creepy joker

    by alex hayden

    is it one of the creepiest things you've ever seen because it looks like Michael Jackson dressed as the Joker?

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    They knew Ledger would be a good Joker

    by Geektard_Smasher

    Because he already played a tortured, fudge packing poofter in Brokebutt Mountain.

  • Granted, a bunch of things could've gone better. However, Batman `89 was a real game changer. As far as Joker in general goes... Nobody's gotten it 100% right yet. Ledger's has come the closest, with his dark humored psycho portrayal standing out. However, some of the more whimsical aspects of the character were lost in Nolan's version. Nicholson's Joker, apart from being too fat, was just wrong because he neither psychotic or goofy enough. Romero's Joker... The less that's said about him the better. Might've looked the part more, but that's about it.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by mrlebowski

    it is a photograph ;)

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Sideshow Collectibles Joker

    by Gabe Athouse

    Face is unappealing, pose is too gay. Fail.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by corplhicks

    remind me of power station on Naboo

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    sideshowmistressofweb does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    It's cool that you're giving a talkbacker a freebie Nicholson joker. Um, you did see my request for that Salma Hayek one too right? Legendary bust?

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Wow.. AICN is really late on this one

    by richievanderlow

    No offense to the fine folks that run this site, but they seem to be behind on most of the TDKR stuff, but this is really behind. I don't recall where, but I saw these out on the interwebz well before shooting began. I don't think this is a location that is being used.. although it might have been under consideration. I really don't see how or why Nolan is going to drastically change the Batcave from BB. It just wouldn't make sense. Now if this ends up being some other setting for the movie.. that might be worthy of discussion, but I don't see it as the batcave.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Be careful clicking on that Nicholson Joker link!

    by Quake II

    The sideshow site tried to open up multiple windows on my browser and would not let me close them (they kept popping up even after closing the links). I had to shut off my wireless to stop the madness. I've never had issues with the Sideshow site before. Wierd.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

    oops sorry wrong topic.HA.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    B89 suit looked way better than Baleman. Both are rubber muscle suits

    by picardsucks

    The Batman 89 suit was body armour same as the new Batsuit. Titanium plates and Kevlar with the flexible latex coating. There was a cutaway of the suit in an old Starlog Both are just rubber muscle suits anyway. Dark Knight fans crack me trying to justify every aspect of nuBat as real world practical. Nicholson was a better Joker than Meth_Crack Junkie Joker and Captain Evanserica could whip Baleman's ass anyway

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    B89 suit looked like what it was... a rubber mold

    by Mattman

    Dark Knight suit appears much more practical. It's one of the better live-action suits I've seen... not because it looks cool, but because it looks effective. Don't get me wrong, I like the Batman 89 suit (especially for the time)... but it's not exactly practical.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    And I prefer the 89 suit to the Begins suit

    by Mattman

    Hate the massive neckline in the Begins suit, and how ridiculous it makes Bale's jaw look when he tilts his head.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    RE: rsanta74

    by tj donkey show

    Mark Hamill's Joker is spot on, by far the best joker. Already Pre-ordered the Burton Batman and Joker.

  • ... went with a huge group of other geeks. My local comic shop pre-sold tickets to everybody in their store and rented out a theater at the multiplex. It was a hoot. Lots of people were lined up for blocks to get tickets while the comic store patrons just waltzed in ahead of them. You've never seen so many pissed off moviegoers in one place. =) As far as the movie itself goes, here's my rundown. WHAT THEY GOT RIGHT -------------------------- - The costume. Not really functional for the actor, but I'll be damned if they didn't nail the look. So much better than the Adam West one that preceded it or the ones that succeed it. Bale's is nice, but maybe too utilitarian. It misses some of the stylistic conventions from the comic. Even if you didn't like B89's yellow symbol, the rest of the costume was gold. - Michael Keaton was perfect in so many ways. He might not have been the playboy that some writers make him out to be. However, he played a more convincingly realistic looking billionaire. His Batman was, unlike Bale's, much more detective than thug. Plus, Keaton's Wayne had this simmering psycho just bubbling under the surface. That's something missing from Bale's version. - Burton's vision of Gotham was just gorgeous. It was this gothic dream come true. There would never be any mistaking Gotham for Metropolis. It's got this old feeling to it that's only made much more eerie by the rampant crime. - Elfman's original score is classic. No Batman since has since managed to reach that bar, much less pass it. - Michael Gough's Alfred is quite superior to Michael Caine's. You get this feeling that Gough is a longtime friend, household servant, and even surrogate father figure. Caine's version is just... well... Michael Caine. Stick a martini in his hand and his might as well be every other Michael Caine character ever. - Bassinger VS Katie Holmes. Kim FTW. Holmes/Gylenhall lovers (Tom & Jake) piss off. - Batmobile VS Tumbler? A tank is nice, but a rocket powered armored roadster? Gotta give the win to the Batmobile. So much slicker than what Adam West's Batman drove, even if it payed homage in some ways. - A simple & clean retelling of the origin. Not much to fault in how it was written or shot. - Some very iconic scenes and images. More so than in Nolan's. Batman whisking Vicki away on the zip line. Joker's mirror scene. The "I'm Batman" line. Joker's "wonderful toys" line. Wayne's improvised bulletproof vest. Dropping the rose on Crime Alley. "Wait'll they get a load of me." Not that Nolan didn't create some gold with Ledger's Joker, but Burton's Batman struck so many right chords. - An amazing and faithful batcave. - The Batplane. So so pretty. Not realistic, but goddamn if that thing didn't have style. - Joker's Smilex plan. It's got a silver age goofines to it, but the fact that everybody dies with a smile on their face makes it more sinister. - Jack Palance... If ever there was a "small, but pivotal role" this was it. Palance scared the shit out of me for so many reason. Still does.... and he's fucking dead. - Bob the Goon. Henchmen are supposed to be faceless and disposable. I loved that Bob was like this awesome lap dog of a guy. Disposable? Sure. Totally a great minor character though. WHAT THEY GOT WRONG ---------------------------- - Nicholson. Wrong for the part and you could even see his weight fluctuate throughout. He's way too much of a ham here. - Joker was neither funny nor psychotic enough. He's supposed to be homicidal clown/jester. In all fairness, even Nolan's version only got half of the equation right - regardless of how well Ledger performed. - B89's Gordon was a little too much of a compromise between the comic version and the Adam West show's one. I couldn't care either way about him. - Killing off the Joker was huge mistake. It might've given Batman closure, but it was a bad bit of writing. - Alfred just letting Vicki into the cave? Dude, grow a pair. If Batman/Wayne is in danger then so are you. Don't just advertise the location of the batcave and unmask Bruce like that. Punk. THINGS I'M INDIFFERENT ABOUT ----------------------------------- - Joker's big gun. Don't love it. Don't hate it. Don't believe that he was carrying it in his pants the whole time. Don't quite care either. - Including Joker in the origin left me a little lukewarm. I guess it made sense given how they had to tie it all in. I didn't love the tweak, but I didn't hate it either. - Prince's songs. I love Prince. The dude's an icon. His songs are classic, even the ones on this soundtrack. They just stand as a weird contrast to Elfman's gothic score. - Geri Hall. Whereas Bob the Goon was a standout lapdog and Jack Palance was downright terrifying, Hall was somewhat of an underwhelming side character. She served her purpose, but just so. All in all, Batman 89 got a shitload more right than it got wrong. Considering when it was made and all of the Batman stuff that preceded it, this was and remains a genre classic.

  • Hamill's Joker is extraordinary. Funny. Psychotic. Delusional. Scary. Sometimes even melancholy and kinda sad. His version is such a rollercoaster of emotional extremes. The voice work is outstanding. I can't imagine anybody else doing the voice over work for Joker.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Actually i like a lot the yellow symbol in B89 costume.

    by KilliK

    It also serves as a very clever way to drive the thugs to shoot Batman in his bulletproofed chest instead of his head,since it is the brightest spot in his black suit. B89 suit > TDK suit. FACT.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Hamill's Joker is great

    by Mattman

    But so is Nicholson's Joker and Ledger's Joker, for different reasons. They're all true to some version of the Joker. Well, except for Nicholson's Joker killing Batman's parents... stupid Burton.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Keaton's Batman looked awesome. Bale's Batman doesn't.

    by Chewtoy

    I always end up forgiving Nolan's suit, but in the end I shouldn't have to. Instead of making excuses for it, I should be excited when seeing it. If a guy is dressing up as a bat, it's already fantasy. Make it look good, or don't do it.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Recently watch Burton's Batman again...

    by Acappellaman

    And it does NOT hold up well over time. As cool as it seemed back then, it just seems very silly now, and I no longer like Nicholson's performance in it. I suppose that's a good thing, because our standards for superhero movies have risen so much now that they're being treated with much more respect. Can't wait for the next ones, especially DKR and The Avengers!

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I watched Batman 89 with the Burton commentary last week

    by Autodidact

    As a result of a BOTS pic I think, can't remember which. Something bat-related. At the end I wanted to watch it again immediately with the normal sound. It's a fucking masterpiece.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST


    by skycrapper


  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    My friend's big sister took me when I was 13

    by Autodidact

    Two years later she took me to Terminator 2 and that night she showed me her tits!

  • Again, it's a product of its time. It sure as heck could've done better. However, in its own context, its actually a pretty smartly crafted and executed movie. I also feel that it legitimately conveyed one thing that Nolan's version didn't. Bruce in B89 sorta felt like a guy who had his childhood stolen. His life was frozen in that one moment. There was something profoundly sad about him. Nolan's version got the origin just as right, but somehow didn't make Bale's Bruce as broken. He tried and failed to avenge his parents and then went on his merry way to becoming a terror in the night. Even in the second parts of both movies, this sort of holds true. Keaton's Batman in Returns still feels fractured and broken, while Bale's Batman in TDK somehow feels like he's in a more comfortable place - even to the point that he feels that Harvey might be able take over as Gotham's knight.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Best Jokers: Hamill, Nicholson, Romero, the Junkie Crackhead

    by picardsucks

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    The Batcave in on the MGM lot stage 30

    by Chain

    The entrance with the waterfall was a location spot but the actual interior is all on a soundstage set in LA

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Batman 89 Bat-Turn Is Tha Shizz

    by Autodidact

    I really like the effect the thick stiff costume had on Keaton's movement (and the stunt guy's). It's really stiff and fluid and feels like a very specialized style that can go up against anything. Over the years I always see people bagging on the action in Burton's Batman, and I don't know why. No, he's not James Cameron, but the sequences have energy, rhytmn, danger, lotsa good shit. The bell tower fight with bald-black-glasses goon is great. Batman kills him at the end of the fight though, which is kinda out of character. I did like how the roof was now clear and it was just the three of them up there. Having a random goon lying there would make it less... Jungian.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    "stiff and fluid" should be stiff and focused

    by Autodidact

    His moves are focussed by necessity of the suit, but I imagined it was the martial art style Batman had distilled down from his experience with all martial arts. Like he knows the exact precise move to make at the exact time and doesn't waste a single movement doing anything else. So bad-ass. Compare to the Nolan version who is relatively clumsy by comparison.

  • It was like some gargoyle come to life so that it could kill criminals. The Bale costume is functional and probably seems like something a real Batman might wear. However, the B89 is maybe more imposing because here's this short guy who's transformed himself into a creature of the night. It'd scare the crap out of me if I were a burglar or purse snatcher.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    I call bullshit on the Nicholson Joker figure.

    by MrWug

    The texture on the skin is too good. That's a picture of Jack from the film slapped on their figure.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    looks like a Schumacher Batcave

    by elsewhere

    what with all the neon lights and shit? FAKE

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    B89. What people seem to forget...

    by richievanderlow

    First off, just the suit. it's easy to compare it to every version that's happened since and condemn it, but at the time, nothing had been done like it. it was the best way to pay homage to the comics character, and not put him in tights. Tights just would not have worked. it was faithful to the look of Batman. I think it works fine. This was conceived as a different world/reality. That makes it easy to forgive the collapsable gun, the impractical suit, an improbable jet shaped like a bat, smilex, etc. It wasn't the best story, but it was truly a revolutionary landmark film. It may not be a completely faithful take on the character, but it was a major step forward in comic book moviemaking. It was the best of the 4 films that were made in that iteration of that character, and the movie got a lot more right than it got wrong. But it felt like a comic book movie and I out of those 4 films, I really enjoy watching it. It maybe more style than substance, but I love that dang movie.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    elsewhere, there is not a single neon light in that pic

    by Mattman

  • The superhero sub-genre was a total mess. It was something for the kids and the ultra geeky. It lost that mainstream appeal and broke away from the source material that made it so popular. Burton's Batman returned the sub-genre to renewed glory and raised the bar even higher. I don't dispute that other action movies were doing it all better. I love the movies that you mentioned. However, as far as superheroes go, just about every modern superhero movie owes a hell of a lot to Burton's 89 flick. Without it, moviegoers would still be thinking "BIFF! POW! ZAP!" when it came to superhero movies. Worse yet, they'd be stuck with the images of Richard Pryor being carried by Superman or the lame blonde mulleted ripoff from Superman 4. By today's standards, B89 is flawed. Again, in context, it was the perfect superhero movie of its time. We'll look back at TDK in 20 years and wonder why Nolan didn't do "x" or "y" and think how much better the superhero movies of 2032 are. Trust me. All movies age. Even Nolan's will look quaint or even shoddy down the road. It's very rare that a movie is truly timeless. It's all relative and contextual.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    = OK a REALLY stupid plot device=

    by KilliK

    more stupid than using a microwave device to evaporate the water supply of GC, which was filled with a hallucination drug and turn it into a poisonous gas? double standards anyone?

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Neon lights? I actually have a bad feeling about this.

    by LowDevil

  • like what happened in TDK too? double standards anyone?

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    = Bruce wasn't healed by the 2nd movie, but he was evolving.=

    by KilliK

    how was he evolving? could you show specific examples from the movie please?

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Joker had poisoned the coffee in every police precinct in town, this opening up Gotham to absolute anarchy

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    killik: Something like that happens with many movies though.

    by cookepuss

    X-Men became Wolverine & Friends. Batman has almost always become about the villains. Superman 2 was more about Zod and such. It's just one of those things that happens. An action movie is only as good as its bad buy. Sometimes, a character can be so memorable that he steals the show. Look at Hitgirl in Kick-Ass. Every scene was bigger and better with her in it. That's why we remember the likes of Biff Tannen or Hans Gruber.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Argh, it just took the bit I quoted and not what I said about it. I thought that bug with quotation marks was fixed. Trying again: Please don't use the word "anarchy" to mean disorder, violence, or chaos. It's defamatory toward actual anarchism. Yes, I know that meaning can be found in the dictionary. In older dictionaries you can also find "jew" as a verb. Doesn't make it right.

  • Direct quote from the magazine/website: "People say kids can't understand the difference between fact and fiction, but that's bullshit," he says. "Kids understand that real crabs don't sing like the ones in The Little Mermaid. But you give an adult fiction, and the adult starts asking really fucking dumb questions like 'How does Superman fly? How do those eyebeams work? Who pumps the Batmobile's tires?' It's a fucking made-up story, you idiot! Nobody pumps the tires!"

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Well, yeah, we've known for a long time that Grant Morrison, while admittedly a sometimes brilliant writer, is also extremely sloppy and has contempt for his audience. If he doesn't care about his story making sense, why should we care about reading it?

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    And this line of Morrison's is particularly stupid: "It's a fucking made-up story, you idiot! Nobody pumps the tires!" Of course nobody IN THE REAL WORLD pumps the tires. But the question was who pumps the tires IN THE STORY. Pointing out that the story is fictional is willfully missing the point.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Superman II Was All About Superman's Raging Erection

    by Autodidact

    He was a 28-30 year old virgin if you think about it. I laugh my head off thinking about that movie... Superman and Lois all swaddled in those jizz soaked silk sheets.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    re: has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet

    by richievanderlow

    You do realize that the "Underground Railroad" was not a literal set of railroad tracks that was underground... right? Are they not teaching that in American History class anymore? Kids these days.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I find it funny

    by truenotes1

    How everyone of Nolan cultist says: "He makes it real world. Realism" Its a movie about a guy dressed as a bat trying to scare criminals. SMH.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Please Batman, punch me. Punch me hard

    by Roger Moon

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Another example: in the "Death of the New Gods" storyline (which, like much recent Kirby-inspired work, seems to take spitting in Kirby's face as a form of homage), Orion dies twice, in incompatible ways. When asked about this, Morrison blithely responded that this was just one of "the disconnects that online commentators, sadly, seem to find more fascinating than the stories themselves."

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Since nobody here suggested that the underground railroad was a literal railroad, that's kind of an odd remark.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST


    by richievanderlow

    I think it's fair to say that it's based in a form of realism. He's utilizing a more realistic, real world style compared to most comic book movies, and certainly more than any previous Batman incarnation. Perhaps the better way to say it is he's making the world as plausible as he can. That's not to say that it's perfectly constructed, but I like that element of realism incorporated into these films. It's still a comic book movie and that's why I tend to give him a pass on the things that don't quite make sense. There's lot to love in these films.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST


    by richievanderlow

    Sure is convenient that Wayne Manor had not only Underground Railroad tunnels...

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    My fav omitted line from one of the earlier B89 drafts...

    by pen2paper

    (Vicky Vale notices a rack of bat-suits in the cave) VICKI What are these made out of? BATMAN It doesn't have a name.

  • IOW, it's realistic, but only as much as a guy dressed as a bat fighting a killer clown can be. It's fantasy with _relative_ believability.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Both those Joker statues are so creepy...

    by Jon Forbing

    ... and therefore absolutely PERFECT.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    But Wayne Manor DID have Underground Railroad tunnels. That doesn't mean they were railroad tunnels in the ordinary sense. But it's a long-established bit of Batman lore that there were tunnels under Wayne Manor, and that they were used for hiding escaping slaves as part of the Underground Railroad. So what's wrong with calling them Underground Railroad tunnels? What else should they be called?

  • hated Casino Royale because he felt it wasn't a Bond movie since it was so stripped down. I remember the Aranovsky or whatever draft where Batman would have had a real "boots on the ground" feel with a lincoln continental as a batmobile or something like that. I know it's not the most realistic, we've all seen how ridiculous Batman looks in the bts shots without the proper context, but it's as realistic as the character can be without completely losing the traits that make it batman.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Burton's BATMAN is a film that I never once believed in. The illusion never worked for me as a viewer. Every scene looked very obviously like a film set. I could almost hear the voice saying *action*, and see the extras start walking across the street of Gotham city they had built on the soundstage. Maybe it was just me, but I never once felt like it was a real place. And yeah Nicholson hammed it up like a shit eating monkey. But it was the style at the time. Remember Dustin Hoffman in HOOK, and Al Pacino in DICK TRACY. I can't blame Jack too much but yeah, in retrospect it's a terrible performance.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    would make a good lazarus pit

    by NotMalcolmReed

    if they went that way

  • in case anyone didn't know

  • There's a lot of weird, weird shit that goes on in Batman's world. Some really stupid stuff sometimes. However, that stupid stuff adds some charm and flavor to the character and his world. Nolan, by trying to be more realistic, has removed a lot of the quirkiness inherent in comics. I'm not saying that we should see comic movies go back to the "BIFF! POW!", but filmmakers probably shouldn't ignore the goofy stuff that keeps the fans entertained over the years. It's not just Batman either. I'm sure that you can name tons of stuff from every comic. Flash: That time traveling treadmill Fantastic Four: HERBIE, Impossible Man Spider-Man: The paper bag costume, the spider-buggy, his various armors, CLONES X-Men: Warlock, Mojoverse, the X-Babies (which would make an awesome cartoon btw) Avengers: Squirrel Girl, the bizarre marriage between Scarlet Witch & Vision Nolan hit a winning formula, an Oscar winning formula at that. It's a shame. Because of this, we probably won't ever see some of the more bizarre "spices" that would be added to these movies for flavor. They're absurd, but that's comic books for you. Sometimes, they can be absurd.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by richievanderlow

    First off, I don't see how that means that there are tunnels underneath Wayne Manor in Nolan's version. So lore established in the comics does not mean that's the case in Nolan's Batman movies. There may have been some tunnels associated with the movement, but there was not some grand network that allowed transport to occur exclusively underground. I think that's one of the myths of the movement. The terminology was more figurative, especially since many were hidden in basements and hard to find places like that when they weren't moving. Second, the way I read the title of his post, it sounded like he meant a literal underground railroad. If I misread, then I apologize, but I don't think I was rude about it, and I don't think he was very clear, and that's no big deal.. this is just a message board after all.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST


    by elsewhere

    ok fluorescent lights. still too many goddamn lights for a Batcave

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by poop

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by poop

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by poop

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    It's a real fucking mine.

    by poop

    Learn to read. Learn to click on links. Learn to not be a fucking idiot.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    rsanta74 re: lulz @ the Spidey paper bag costume

    by Jesiah

    I had an old comic where after Spidey finds out his black costume is alive so after they (the fantastic 4) remove it from him they give him a spare costume and Johnny Storm gives him a paper bag to wear since none of them wears a mask. And when he saves someone people think he's in some initiation phase for the f4 what with the costume and paper bag. That sure brought me back.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST


    by richievanderlow

    Do you want me to be fucking retarded?

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Tim Burton has made only one good movie:

    by master_of_realty


  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    @buttnasty, the real mine

    by vicmackey1268

    ...I'm the Brian that gave aintitcool the link a few days was shocking to me that when I posted the link to the actual pictures of the mine wayyyy earlier on this forum, no one paid attention to it other than maybe 2 or 3 people... The only difference between this "set" and the real mine is that this one is made to look like it's suspended in a cave and the real one is resting on the salt...but the lighting and platforms and elevator are all 90% the same in real life, which is why it's such a cool place to film.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    underground tunnels

    by vicmackey1268

    the website for the real mine...just google "turda salt mine, romania" there are tons of pictures of huge caverns and walkways, underground tunnels,'s very possible that the waterfall leads to a long underground entrance/driveway that eventually gets to this area.....therefore making the mansion built on a very solid structure... In all sorts of movies, comics, tv shows, etc there's talk of this type of stuff under/near the mansion and who friggin cares about structural integrity of a house...its a comic book...the dude dresses like a bat and solves crimes... In the 89 version he's driving down a super long road in the forest that magically goes through a wall into a did city contractors not want to build on that ground? How did lost travelers not happen upon it? Answer---cuz it's a movie.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    lighting issues...

    by vicmackey1268

    this is all the real lighting from the actual mine in Romania, not set lighting...I'm sure they'll tweak it or make it look a little different, hell it might just be being used to take pictures to re-create the look in a sound studio... either way, these pics are kick ass and if Nolan can turn a gay cowboy into the best villain of my generation, I'm sure he can turn this amazing mine into an amazing batcave.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    looks like the tumbler

    by Waka_Flocka

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 5 p.m. CST


    by elsewhere

    no shit you stupid knob! the real mine can still be used as a set!

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST


    by stringerbell

    my thoughts exactly,its not a set its real its there all the time

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST


    by WhatTheHellHappenedToMe

    You do realize that it really did largely consist of underground tunnels, right? With "stations" set up at abolitionists homes? What did they teach YOU in school?

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Nicholson would have made a great Joker....

    by vadakinX

    It's true, he would have. Oh, sorry I should explain. I'm talking about the Nicholson of The Shining. That Nicholson would have made for an awesome Joker. I do like Nicholson's actual Joker and I like Ledgers and Romero's but Hamill freaking owns that role for me.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 5:31 p.m. CST


    by vicmackey1268

    is an amazing Joker...going from the children's cartoon all the way to the darker stuff and arkham asylum...his joker can be in any type of movie and it was insanely creepy (no pun intended) in arkham.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST

    I like the Nolan suit

    by Amity75

    But they need to use the cape more. I wanted a big ass bat wing shaped cape when he was on his batpod but it didn't happen. Sometimes his cape just looks like a big black tattered rag. Burtons cape looked like membraney bat wings.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    the cape/amity75

    by vicmackey1268

    Batman, in front of the scared street hoodlums Keaton opens the cape twice to keep scaring them...the cape was the most frightening part and it was super effective....Batman Returns jumping off the roof of the building the cape turned to a was amazing....Batman Forever, the cape wrapped around him forming a cocoon of safety against the flames... Yes, in Nolan's it's used to glide and he rescues Rachel but it's not meant to bring fear, it's meant to be more tech...I agree with you...I want more cape, despite what Edna Mole says.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    The Teaser Trailer Has Bane Climbing Out

    by cgh123

    I remember a shot where Bane is climbing out of some bottomless pit with his bare hands. My guess is this the same place. Maybe it's his lair? Or the underground lab where he is "born?" Or yeah, maybe the Batcave. But I would think they'd put Bruce Wayne back in Wayne Manor and back in the original Batcave. Also, Keaton's original Batman outfit is still my personal favorite.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST


    by SilentXero

    This looks like it would belong in prometheus as was mentioned by chronic. It just doesn't like batmanish...

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Ed O'Neil gets his own HW star.

    by KilliK It was about fucking time.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Yes... the 1989 Batsymbol is tops

    by Autodidact

    I remember seeing that logo everywhere and always thinking it was cool as fuck!

  • I read the link you posted and his reaction (initially) to be offered a star just shows how great a person he actually is. I'm glad Modern Family has helped people see what talent he has also. I remember one episode where he tries to act younger by wearing some Ed Hardy and then a whole mob of senior citizens came through the mall all wearing Ed Hardy and he had this wtf look on his face.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who sees two diff. Bat symbols?

    by fredwordsmith

    The logo on the corner of the box is correct. The logo on Batman's chest is all fucked up - the wings are too narrow and the tail is "forked" instead of just a point. That's absolutely fucking stupid. They nailed 97% of the costume, but got the most important part wrong. I hope for their company's sake, they fix that before they ship these. Oh, and I appreciate both movies, even still. I think Nolan has done a great job of making Batman "real" without making him too boring, and Burton's is simply enjoyable "movie" to me that happens to have Batman in it.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST


    by vicmackey1268

    The symbol is accurate...rewatch 89 Batman....WB couldn't get the rights to the actual symbol so they put extra points on the wings to bypass the looks like this in the movie.... For Returns they had the rights to use the original symbol shown everywhere.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST


    by Crooooooow

    The 3rd light from the top is out. Could you get a ladder and change it?

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    it actually makes it more authentic...

    by vicmackey1268

    having the real symbol on his chest from the movie, instead of changing it to the classic symbol shown in the upper left corner... if I had a bunch of money to blow....well I'd get like a pool or something...maybe a GT500...but after that...well no I'd get the $500 muscle suit batman costume and be him for halloween every year.... sigh..ok well if a millionaire friend bought me these I'd love them

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    @jesiah do you know what is the best thing ?

    by KilliK

    they put on purpose his star in front of a Shoe Store.ROFL.!!

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST

    This movie seems to be shaping up nicely...

    by Isaac R.

    ..and Anne Hathaway will kick all kinds of ass as Catwoman. Anyone catch her recent "Conan" appearance? She has tightened up that already beautiful body to pure sexy epicness Plus the girl has some serious acting chops. Really digging the retro (think Julie Newmar, updated) look of the costume. Cannot fucking wait!

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Did Batman study city planning at Ninja University?

    by elmo

    Or did he just delegate the design, planning, building and maintenance to Alfred? Bruce; "Alfred, build me an underground city in that tacky cave below Wayne Manor. I'd love to do it but must meet Muffy and Binky and Tootie for drinks at the club and a hand of cribbage!" Alfred: "Aw, Batshit. Go F yourself, you pansy ponce, I'm like 80 years old! "

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Because the design of the Bat symbol is what matters!

    by master_of_realty

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 8:40 p.m. CST

    If anyone says the '89 Batman "sucked"

    by D.Vader

    (which is ridiculous hyperbole, by the way). I just don't know if that person can be trusted. Maybe its not your cup of tea, maybe its not the Batman you really wanted onscreen (and back then, *was* there a Batman you really wanted to see onscreen, or did you just want Batman?), but to say the movie "sucks" is a gross statement.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Batman 89

    by HapaPapa72

    Say what you will, but it sure was a fun summer. I remember seeing the 20/20 special on it, those damn T-shirts everywhere... just a huge event. Didn't quite dig Prince's soundtrack at the time but wore out my Danny Elfman tape (!?!). Seeing a possible Batcave just calmed me down and soothed me like a cup of Alfred's hot cocoa. I don't give a good goddamn what happens in the third one as long as I gets me some time in the Batcave, with Bats doing some detective shit. And 89 Batman they built their own Gotham. Their own congested, claustrophobic, crime-ridden Gotham. They didn't leech off of Chi-town or ---where are they now? Pittsburgh? If only Keaton's Batman could've sounded like Bale. I know, I know, the laryngitis Batman, but when he's grilling an upside down Flass....damn. THAT's what Batman sounds like.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST


    by whatevillurks

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    One point of clarification on the Keaton/Nicholson figures

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    They're actually sculpted and produced by Hot Toys, a company in China. Sideshow is just their distributor in this situation. HT is absolutely THEE SHIT when it comes to lifelike sculpts. They're expensive but well worth it. Already got my Bats and Joker pre-ordered.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Kinda looks like a Batmall

    by CherryValance

    or Batcasino. But I like it and would totally hang out there.

  • hjhjhj

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 10:55 p.m. CST

    the fake catwoman from the fake photo would look cool in the fake batcave


  • Sept. 1, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST

    looks like Mr Freeze's lair from Batman and Robin

    by tHEgREATgABBO

  • truth. I'm not just talking about Bruce Wayne's alter ego, but reports of him holding up a picture of Harvey Dent I think suggest he knows that Batman didn't kill the people a lot of citizens think he did. In the age of instant communication, I find it hard to believe that the cops that were swarming that still-in-construction building didn't tell anybody else, "you know, we were gonna cap these fools in the clown masks then Batman swept in and started kicking our @$$es and we found out the clowns were the hospital staff and the hospital staff were Joker's thugs." So even though the majority of Gotham "may" believe Batman to be a killer I'm sure a large portion believe he is still a Knight. Bane may try what the Joker did and try to break Gotham with knowledge of Dent's killing spree but it may backfire and inspire Gotham's citizens and helped them all believe in Batman again, hence The Dark Knight Rises. Of course this is all just conjecture but hey that's what these boards are for.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Burton Batman vs. Nolan Batman

    by Lobanhaki2

    I grew up during the eighties, which meant my first exposure to Batman was the TV Show. When I saw the Batman in 1989, I guess you could say that he was true to the action heroes of that time, which was part of the reason Batman killed people in the first four Batmans. That was the paradigm for those times. The production design on the Burton Batmans was greater, was gothic, and you could tell Burton had fun with the action sequences. There was a real comic book flavor to the colors and the action. The actors? Keaton was a good Batman, especially when he got the chance to be a little nuts. As for Nicholson? Well, acting wise he wasn't the most sophisticated batman, but there was, again, an element of fun to Nicholson, mixed with the macabre. So I don't knock him Michelle Pfiefer is hands down the best Catwoman I ever saw, gloriously nuts and sexy. I do like the design for the Batmobile better in Burton's movies, there's a certain elegance to that vehicle that's easy to admire. However, and this is interesting, the Tumbler actually looks more like the vehicle that Batman drove in The Dark Knight Returns. So, what do I like about Nolan's Batman? First, it seems like an alternate reality to our own, something that could branch off from our own universe with just a little trouble. I like that he's something of a ninja, and that they get a relatively obscure villain in the first one. The suit's not bad, and neither is the ability to turn his head. It always bothers me when they suit these fighters up in costumes that would make them dead ducks in a real fight. I like the character and dramatic work. Bale's Batman is a sophisticated enough psychological critter that we can see his evolution into the Batman, rather than him being overshadowed by his villain, he's an interesting character in his own right. Alfred gets a bit of a backstory, which I like. Heath Ledger's Joker is a masterpiece of a character, and though I'm not opposed to others taking up the lethal grin after him, I'm sure he'll be a hard act to follow. Ironically, he's practically deprived of a real backstory, his questionable stories teasing the character marvellously. I like the sort of epic crime story element, the Heat by way of the Dark Knight Returns feel of the second movie. It's almost too realistic, but it puts this hero to the test marvellously, and has a perfect, though very somber ending. Overall, I don't prefer one over the other, though I prefer both over the overproduced, under-thought out Schumacher Batmans (with the wholly unnecessary Bat-Butts, which I thought was just stupid even when I was too young to know better on such things.) I think of them of being Batman taken through two different views. You can enjoy both, really.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:24 a.m. CST

    @rsanta74: I dont agree.

    by KilliK

    Something like that happens with many movies though.X-Men became Wolverine & Friends. Batman has almost always become about the villains. Superman 2 was more about Zod and such.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:31 a.m. CST


    by annapaquinspussyjuice

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    by annapaquinspussyjuice

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:32 a.m. CST

    @ lobanhaki2: I agree

    by annapaquinspussyjuice

    That's exactly how I feel about the Batman movies, except I still feel there is a certain blandness to Nolan's Batman.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:34 a.m. CST

    I call....

    by Bent

    the GI Joe fortress from the first movie, just a version 2.0 update. Whadda I win?

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:39 a.m. CST

    truenotes1, Nolan CULTists?


    You've deluded yourself. Nolan's fanbase stretches a tad wider than "cult" status. Nolan's detractors are a small minority found mostly on talkbacks like these, where celluloid diarrhea like Predator 2 and Alien 3 are hailed as misunderstood masterworks.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:43 a.m. CST

    If anyone would like to get CHOPPAH a Christmas pwesent


    That Batman 89 statue is high on my list...

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:54 a.m. CST

    And another thing about Burton's Batman that a lot of geeks

    by KilliK

    ignore or havent thought about, is something for which,ironically,accuse a lot of modern comic movies: Burton's movie started with Batman as an already established hero in GC and not with his origin. And as the story was progressing we were learning more about his origin through the flashbacks and the mentions of past events,while we were witnessing the origin of his nemesis through the current events of the story. And at some point in the movie is revealed that these two characters and their origins intersect which leads their relationship into a new dynamic. Personally i find this way of introducing a comic hero to the audience,very original and ground-breaking in its time and it is a fact that it hasnt been repeated since then apart from the movie Blade.(X-Men is a different story) Instead,nowadays in almost all the modern comic movies,even in the reboots and the remakes,we get the same,tiresome,formula of how the hero gains his powers,he uses them for personal gain,somethng happens and becomes responsible yada,yada. Even BB follows this cliche formula,so it is a bit unfair that Burton's Batman gets all this negative criticism and disapproval from the (younger i assume) fans.In reality B89 revolutionized the movie super-hero genre and it's success opened the way for the future movie adaptation of the other super-hero comics. Hell if it wasnt B89 we wouldnt have TDK either.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 2:08 a.m. CST

    I love Nolan's Batman

    by Relugus

    Its a great interpretation, an interesting and unique approach to a comic book adaptation. Nolan is a director who does not buy into the attitude that "its just a silly comic" and thus make no effort and just produce a piece of crap. Let me compare and contrast Nolan with Bay. In the case of Transformers, Michael Bay, a man with no interest in the source material was handed the project. Bay's disdain for Transformers ("stupid toys") should have disqualified him from directing, but Spielberg was thinking of the money. Hey, Steven and Michael, why don't you read some of the comics and use the stronger material in those, hmmm? Bayformers is just a Bay film with the usual sunsets and helicopters, babes and booms, with the TFs making occasional cameos; Bay does not treat them as characters and thus misses the point. When you make the Decepticons into drones (instead of Runamuck and Runabout we get the utterly pointless "Dreads"), the Autobots into bland soldiers, Starscream into a loyal toady, and Optimus Prime into a merciless killer, you've kind of missed the entire point of Transformers. For example, the Galvatron Vs Ultra Magnus fight in the Marvel UK comics pisses on anything in Bay's movies from a great height because we actually give a shit about the characters. Nolan interprets the source material while clearly respecting it, and he understands it, too, looking for the lements he feels will work best and focusing on them. Nolan is an intelligent man, but no snob, he is open-minded believes his intelligence and creativity should be applied to all his films, not just the more arty ones. As he has shown, especially with Inception, there's no reason a blockbuster cannot be smart. All films should aspire to be as good they can be, not be half-assed because "people just want a popcorn movie". We need more people like Nolan, Del Toro, Blomkamp, Cameron, etc, and less of the underachieving Spielberg/Bay mentality. On the subject of comic book adaptations... Wonder Woman could work fantastically as a live-action movie, and she's a more well-known character than Green Lantern, but Warner Brothers idiotic policy on female led movies likely means DC's female cast will languish in supporting role hell. As for Marvel, what we need is a Death's Head (and by Death's Head, I mean the original one, not the predator clone piece of shit, yes?) movie. But that's even more unlikely with Disney killing Marvel UK.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 3:09 a.m. CST

    '89s was great

    by aceldama

    I shouldn't even waste my time typing this. Oh well... I understand the whole idea of opinions and things of that nature, but sometimes someones "opinion" is so ridiculous, it makes it just wrong. azultool, you fell into that category easily. '89 Batman was amazing in every way, and I'm not just using hyperbole. It is one of the few movies I saw in theaters more then 2 or 3 times. And the most disappointing thing in recent years to me is the love people have for the new Batman movies. They're horrible and yet... someone is going to see them (On a positive note, it made it easier to check on the compitentcy of an average citizen, as only a retard who should be in an instituion could like them). The only way I can see The Dark Knight making as much money as it did is if in actuality, each ticket cost $100,000. With a complete lack of hyperbole, these new films are unacceptably bad. And no, this isn't a case of "different generations." As with the view of the '89 Batman, the new Batmans are so bad, it is unacceptable to think anyone could actually like them, which makes the "generation" argument moot. geektard_smasher, you typed up your comment wrong, when you said that they knew Ledger could be the Joker because of his Brokeback Mountain skills. Obviously, what you meant to say was "They knew that Ledger would be a great Joker when they signed him, and no one was prepared for exactly how wrong they were." richievanderlow, you talked about how behind the times the site is when the news pops up on other websites first (and people seem to whine about this every damn column), but why do you care? Obviously you had already found that information. When the info is propogated across the web on a ton of different sites, why should they rush putting up the same story as everyone else? You already found the news. Why do you care?

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 4:56 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    aceldama, yeah. I guess sometimes opinion is so ridiculous.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 5:09 a.m. CST

    Too many lights, he´s gonna scare the bats

    by CuervoJones

    Whatever. I can´t wait...for Arkham City.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 6 a.m. CST

    choppah, the '89 Batman isn't a statue

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    It's a fully poseable 1/6 (12") scale figure.And when I say poseable, I mean POSEABLE - HT's bodies are just as awesome as their sculpts. Much better than just a simple statue... get bored with the current look, re-pose and enjoy. I'm sure the batsuit will limit the movement to some degree, but you'll still be able to make him look cool. Of course, if you want to play with him like an action figure, you can do that too.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Batman and Batman Returns are classics...

    by Andrew Coleman

    At the same time I love Begins and TDK. Mainly because of how different they are. Also Forever and B&R I've learned to understand they were simply trying to make movies of the TV show. Batman 89 and Returns are simply too much fun to hate. Keaton also will always be one of my favorite on screen heroes... "Did somebody say fish I haven't eaten all day"... "Eat floor". Nolan's films are great mainly because they actually have plots. TDK to me is a classic. I just hope after this next one the WB allows the next people who make Batman to have a little more fun with it. I want science fiction... I want a world where Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze and Clay Face can happen.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST

    introducing batman as a given. no origin


    the best thing about burton's was that it just introduced batman as a given, like killik said. it left nolan in a precarious situation- do that again, and have it compared to batman 89, or do the origin and add layers and details to it but risk having another 'origin' flick. i think it worked well- tying in flashbacks of his youth, bringing them out via the fear toxin training and scarecrow's gas. plus we actually got to see his training- and i'm sure we will see more training or events with Ra's that weren't shown in B.B. still, i await a day when a new batman movie will have the balls to just jump right into the present, use batman as a given. or even jump into the future, instead of dwelling on the events that forged him. but you have to give credit where t is due- this will be the first time that ONE director has directed a mostly cohesive trilogy of batman. the longest run of batfilms under one helm. who else has directed a full fantasy trilogy- besides nolan and peter jackson? (i'm asking rather quizzically, actually, it's early AM and i can't think of any- feel free to correct me)

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST

    hey wait- shouldn't this have a spoiler tag?


    i mean, anything that tells or shows us something we don't know yet about the batman movie should be considered a spoiler, right? or is there no spoiler because we don't ACTUALLY know that this is the site of the new batcave...but that it just looks cool and should be the batcave. i don't think the article has any confirmation of it... (re-reads) oh yeah- it's a rumor from a rumor site....which probably will post anything just to stay afloat and be relevant. hrm. i guess we shouldn't get too excited about this yet.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Can the Joker please look like THAT in the next Batman?!


    I love Heath's Emo Joker and have fond memories of Caesar Romero's Gay Joker, but for once I'd like to see a Joker as he is in the comics. Whoever takes over after Nolan, please use this Joker statue or the Joker in the Arkham Asylum video game as a model.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 8:42 a.m. CST

    the tron-cave

    by silverdog

    not crazy about it...

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Thx 1138 is one lucky SOB!!

    by Tank Williams

    I wish I could won free cool stuff my giving compliments. Anyhoo, cheers to Slideshow for recognizing it's fans like that, totallly awesome!! And yes those 89 Batman figures are incredible!

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Edit: THX 1968

    by Tank Williams

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I want my own thread fucker!


  • Sept. 2, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    I also think Sideshow Collectibles Rules...

    by WeylandYutani

    especially their ALIEN and Indiana Jones Raiders of the Lost Ark figure. Rmmmm... just thought I'd put that out there for no personal gain at all. Really.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Sideshow's full Balrog was my favorite of theirs

    by skycrapper

    No longer available though.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Holy shit, a talkbacker got called out on the main page!

    by D.Vader

    That's crazy.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Hot damn, that's all he said? That the toys look great?

    by D.Vader

    Damn Sideshow was in a good mood yesterday! Lucky bastard!

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    good on him!

    by Righteous Brother

    He acknowledges the brilliance of the Nolan films, whilst also admitting that he'd like to see something new in the future - can't say fairer than that. Although I'm sure that saying 'Sideshow Rules' helped him a lot. Hey Sideshow! You rule! I particularly like your Star Wars stuff!! : )

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    congrats thx

    by Shakes

    hopefully this rewarding of someone being positive, and non cynical will usher in a new era for talkbackers

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Where is this THX1968?

    by American Mythos

    So that I may stomp out his miserably lucky life force. Ya bastard. I keed. Congratulations you happy fuck.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    And, after skimming the TalkBack once again

    by American Mythos

    Can you imagine if it had been menstrual_bloodfart or winona_ryders_pussy_juice getting called out on the front page? That would have made my morning.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Re THX1968

    by ragingfluff

    So someone praises something and gets a prize. Brilliant. I love it. Well done THX1968. Now, in the same spirit, may I just say I think Uma Thurman is hot (particularly as Poison Ivy and this is after all a Batman-related talkback ...) I would love an afternoon in her company but will settle for a signed photo. Thankyou Raging Fluff. ditto her hotness as Mia Wallace for anyone who has connections to signed photos from Pulp Fiction

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Can they "award" me with a bank robber joker doll?

    by Bullet_time_Facehugger

    I thought that thing was awesome and couldn't afford it either.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    So AINOTCN posts just about any rumour/photo these days?

    by Arkhaminmate001

    I have a photo of Iron Mans jock strap from the set of Iron man 4 if anyone's interested.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST


    by punisher5150

    I've been collecting Sideshow's Indiana Jones line and the detail on these items is AMAZING! Can't afford another series but the BATMAN stuff definitely is tempting, as well as their CONAN statues.Enjoy!!!!!

  • If you sent me that thing, I would blow a load on it every night before I went to bed. What more of an endorsement for a product could you ask for?

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    That so needs to be the Batcave . . .

    by Nick

    if only for the long establishing shots. The rest can be on a sound stage. Too good of an opportunity to pass up.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Sideshow Collectibles are f'ing Awesome!

    by Zombieflicker

    I agree, Sideshow Collectibles are friggin’ great! I can’t afford to buy anything these days, with Papa Jo and the wife on disability from the toothpaste factory. I keep my spirits up though, because my kids wake up in the morning and sing a song they made up that goes something along the lines like this: “Sideshow, Sideshow, Sideshow”.. or something like that. Heck just the other day I went into my 12 year old son’s bedroom to let him know that our Oatmeal dinner was ready, and he was able to find a marker somewhere and was writing a letter to the President of the United States asking about the Obama plan, and if Sideshow Collectibles could send him something for Christmas this year. Boy, do I have to start saving now. I can’t stand the thought of letting that little fella down. Oh well, just want to shout out as loud as I could that I think Sideshow Collectibles are the best! As soon as I can afford it, I’m going to tattoo the word Sideshow Collectibles on my forehead back-words, so when I look in the mirror I will be reminded of the greatest company on the planet! Sideshow Collectibles!!

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I, for one, have ALWAYS liked Sideshow Collectibles.

    by Playkins

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    No Tifa Lockhart figures?

    by Relugus

    An unforgivable ommission, Sideshow.

  • Love it! And what a great prize.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    You know what else is cool? Romanian salt mines!

    by monkeywright

    Hey, maybe they'll read this and I'll own the whole friggin' Batcave tomorrow morning...

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    wow, Sideshow is the shit

    by VXXXJesterXXXV

    That's absolutely awesome that you guys are willing to do that for a fan. That gives me so much respect for your company and makes me much more likely to buy figures from you guys in the future. Keep being awesome guys.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Getting tired of Nolan's bat films...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    That Grant Morrison quote was awesome. Nolan's bat films dont work. He wants to make ultra realistic crime films out of comic book have a man dressed as a flying mouse fighting a killer clown and a man with a scarecrow mask...where's the realism here? The perfect example of a director taking a comic book concept and doing it realistically WITHOUT trying to ground it in realism is Verhoven and Robocop. He FILMED it like a realistic crime film, but had the script, actors, sets and tone stick to the silliness of the concept...a robot man fighting criminals. Nolan doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Congrats THX1968

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    Fantastic prize. For a second there, I was scratching my head and wondering how I didn't get picked, since I was gushing too. Then I remembered, I was pointing out the Keaton and Nicholson figures aren't made by Sideshow. Ah well.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Hookers and beer are the shit!

    by jawsfan

    Maybe I can win them too.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Special Episode of "Do They Give Anal?" for Fudgepack Friday!


    Today's contestant is ... KATHY BATES! So ... DOOOOOOEEESS she give up the fudge lotus?

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Why no TB or info for WARRIOR, Harry et al?

    by Snake Foreskin

    I thought an MMA movie with a decent cast would get a lot of guys pumped up on here. Is it perhaps because it's being marketed as a faith-type film to Christians? I saw it Wednesday and it is far from that. It's actually not appropriate for fundamentalist Christian filmgoers due to a helluva lot of bad language and badass violence. It was actually pretty good. Not great, buy good. And Tom Hardy, who is playing Bane in TDK (the reason I bring up WARRIOR at all) is really impressive. Oh well, once again the AICN lefty agenda machine keeps steam-rolling over the movies that include a positive message about faith and religion. Red State is a must-see, but Warrior gets not even a mention on here, Way to go.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    I like fleshlights and speed

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    worth a punt

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Bates does NOT let others dip into the Mocha Maw

    by conspiracy

    Kathy DOES however shovel it out. I'm guessing one of the stated requirements when she hires a PA is the ability to lift 20# so they can help girdle her in; that's right...Kathy Pitches Major League strap-on. Just from sizing her up...I'm guessing Bates is hanging a solid 12" of leather attached Jelly Dong meat 24/7. No way she'd dish out anything less than 10" minimum..the woman has a reputation to protect.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST



    Curious. I always thought she'd be the type of tough gal who could take anything. And, frankly, anything was probably all she could get for a while ... Probably sucks like an Oreck, too.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Oreck? I'm thinking Kirby my Brutha

    by conspiracy

    Kathy may like the feeling of power and self respect sher gets from jammin Jelly and keeping her own decompression tank empty...but she most assuredly can swallow cock like a Basking Shark in a plankton bloom. I'm thinking she can take two cocks in that Oscar Winning mouth; in fact the only other actresses with an greater cock to mouth ratio are Hathaway and Roberts.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Cock to mouth ratio ...


    Damn, reminds me of this really, really foul chick I knew a few years back. Really hideous. I mean, bitch looked like Boss Nass. She used to hang around some cuter girls that would come to parties at mine and my buddies' place, and she thought she was one of the cute girls because she would flirt nonstop with all the dudes. She was really aggressive, too. Practically tried to rape one guy who was passed the fuck out. Two of her girlfriends and one guy had to pull her off. Anyway, back to the cock to mouth ratio, one night I staggered into a party really fucking late, musta been 4 a.m. I was expecting everyone to have passed out already. It certainly looked that way, so I decided to head up to bed. Well, after taking a couple of hits off the barely touched bong on the kitchen counter. I trudge up to my room, and I notice the door is slightly ajar. I ease it open, and what the fuck do I see? That Boss Nass looking bitch on her knees, barely able to keep her balance, with three dudes standing in front of her, their cocks out. She was taking turns blowing them a couple sucks at a time. The guy closest to the door noticed me first. Oh fuck, he said, stepping back and pulling up his pants. The other dudes, one of whom I didn't know but turned out to be my one roommate's cousin from Arizona, just started laughing. You know, that really fucking stoned/drunk laughing. Lady Boss Nass then turned to me, and -- man was she fucking obliterated. Glassy eyed and obliterated -- said something like, You want some, too? I admit, I thought about it for a second, but then I thought, no. Fuck that. So, I told them all to stay right there. If you're going to use my fucking room for this shit, I told all four of them, you're going to do a favor for me. Bitch Nass then screamed YEEEAAAHHH!!! I am up for ANYTHING!! She ripped off her shirt, exposing folds upon folds of pasty flab and a disappointingly meager rack for a gal her size. She started to try to wriggle out of her bra but was so fucking gone, she just flopped over face down on the bed. I can't do it, guys. Help me do it, guys. Come on guys, she said. Nevermind about the bra, I said. You ever take two guys at once? Any fucking time I can! she replied. How about this. You each take turns fucking me in the ASSSSSS!!!! With that, she pulled down her jeans and granny panties, exposing the fattest, most pockmarked, palest ass I've seen, and I've been to jail. Then she started shaking it, attempting wave it around, but she came off like a spastic walrus. FUCK IT! FUCK MY ASSHOLE! She yelled. The guy who first saw me coming into the room, the guy who pulled up his pants right away, at that point, just shrugged, pulled down his pants again, walked over to that quivering mound and stuck it in. YEAH! she yelled. Keep doing it! HARD! And you others, pull my HAIIIIIRR!!! Just as the other guys shrugged and were about to move in, I said: Hold up. Let me get the fucking camcorder ...

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST


    by conspiracy

    Everyone should have at least one good old fashioned whore/gangbang experience in their lives.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Sad thing is ...


    I lost the tape in one of my many moves. For a while, it was the only thing keeping me from dumping my VCR.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    How about you, conspiracy?


    You got any gangbang stories? The nastier the ho, the better.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Sideshow is having a contest on their site for the Christopher Reeve Superman!!

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I've entered, and that will be the closest I will get to owning one! May the best man/woman win!

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Here is the link for the Super Sideshow Superman contest!

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost Winner winner, chicken dinner!

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST


    by conspiracy

    Actually...back before I was married, back in my teens, 20's early 30's...I was heavy into the Swing Lifestyle. So I've seen lots of gangbangs...done one or two...but I really do not like cock in the same zip code as me and pussy, so gangbangin wasn't my thing...I was just in it for the copious amounts of decent looking experienced gash from 18-55 lmao Now...I DO however have a funny story about a Ho I know. Back when I was 22 or so...I worked for a local Auto retailer who had delivery drivers. The HR guy was cool and ALWAYS made sure our drivers were cute and female. Turnover was there was always a new crop of young girlys to flirt and party with...cuz after was ALWAYS party time. Every Friday night was a different managers turn to host the most outrageous parties...big parties where clients, customers, venders, and employees would all show up and get fucking loose. So we had this one negative a-cup tit-less 19yr old tart that was a driver. This chick was a real fucking cockwhore...but was just so innocently cute it was funny. She'd come in and grab and hug on everyone...flirt with all the managers, fuck customers in their offices...a real good girl. So we are at this party and she shows up..and tells everyone she has a new Tattoo...this was back in 1993 or so when Tattoos were still kinda "dangerous and wild" and not the fucking Me Too cliche they are today. 90% of the Girls who had tats in '93 were whores...fact. So anyway...these mechanics all gathered around...all coked up and drinking, as we all were. And she starts giggling and says..."I can't show you's PRIVATE" and walks back into a bedroom at this house we are in followed by 4 guys. Screaming, laughing, moaning...everyone walked by and listened in...but they had locked the door...fuck. They didn't come out for 3 hours....she never came out..and I was there till almost sunup. She quit about 3 months later...after fucking most everyone in the business...I didn't get any though...I had my own thing going with the swinger lifestyle and I just didn't need some titless whore. Flash forward to 1996...I start work as a manager for another local business. After awhile I get to know all the people in complex where the business is located...and we are all out in the parking lot drinking one night and talking about pussy. I'm telling the tale about this dirty little slut and her tattoo gangbang..and everyone is laughing and talking about the unrepentant whores they had met..., this Toyota pulls in the lots and the fat assistant manager of the business next door, one who loved the tale and hung on every word about this salacious little cock grinder, and who offered up " thats the kinda girl you fuck and leave on the side of the road" says..."Hey...wifes here..I gotta run". The door opens...and out steps the THAT VERY GIRL! He had bought her tits...but other than that she looked the same..., she looks over...see's me...and almost runs to get into the passenger side...and off they drive. I laughed so hard I fucking puked Small fucking World.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    A talkback about Batman degenerates into talking about gangbanging?

    by AsimovLives

    Fucking weird!

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST



    Incredible. I'm in fucking tears right now.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 7:12 p.m. CST

    the_choppah, have you see DRIVE yet?

    by AsimovLives

    I'd like to know what a big fan of VALHALLA RISING like you has to say about Nicolas Winding Refn's latest movie.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    I have a buddy

    by Autodidact

    Who had a buddy who once turned him at a party and said "let's get the fuck out of here.... my wife used to get fucked at the same time by half the guys in this room." Guess what my buddy was doing to his buddy's wife while he was at work in those days?

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    autodidact...YourBuddy was doing the Lords Work there..

    by conspiracy

    Someone has to keep the Vag warm during the day.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Not yet, Asi. It's next on the list, though.


  • Sept. 3, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Damian Wayne?

    by ant_monkey

    Could Joe Gordon Levitt be playing Damian Wayne?? This is just my idle speculation btw, I am in no way connected to the film or it's production

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 9:16 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You strike me as a guy who would be a fan of Roy Orbison. I'm not too wrong, am I?

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by Subtitles_Off

    Life-size, fully-operational Selma Hayek ain't all it's cracked up to be. Don't ask me how I know this. Just trust. Waxy. In other news, of course a Talkback which attracts the_choppah degenerates. Duh. To be fair, this Talkback had to do with Nolan and his B-I-N-O to start with, so even the_choppah can only bring something else to talk about. And whatever it is, even if it's chopperish, it's gotta be more interesting than glowy, realisticalistic maybe-maybe-not Batcave. RISES is as uninteresting as the length of my own dick.

  • Roy Orbison sings like a girl. I really thought you'd be the one guy on here smart enough to figure this shit out by now.

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Who defuck is Damien Wayne?

    by Subtitles_Off

    I know, so don't tell me. I just choose to disregard all that stupid shit. Batman got raped by Talia Al'Ghul and had a baby named after Satan. Comics are stupid.

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'd say both are the same person but different. If that makes any sense.

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    And, asi, I'd say

    by Subtitles_Off

    there are more than two different choppahs who are, more or less, the same. Subtle difference? If there's one who likes Roy Orbison, that would be to its credit. Therefore, I don't wanna know.

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns: great art film, terrible Batman movie

    by Knuckleface

    Did you know Batman Returns has the honour of being the most discussed comic book superhero movie in academic film journals? Its true! Batman Returns may not be a good Batman movie, but it's a curious and interesting film for other reasons. Film scholars love it.

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I recently rewatched BATMAN RETURNS. And whileit is, by far, my most well liked movie of the old era, rewatching it was just... weird. Really weird. The movie is whacky. It's not as good as i remembered, while it's weird on top like hell. Whenever i see people defending those older Batman movies overthe Nolan ones i just have to conclude they are fucked up in the head. If after Nolan's movies the new rebooted Batman movies batch will be closer to the Tim Burton and Schummaker ones, then i will have to turn my back on them. My Batman movies are Nolan's.

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST

    =just have to conclude they are fucked up in the head.=

    by KilliK

    coming from you Asi,that is a modesty.

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Nolan and the ladies of the Batfilms

    by lynxpro

    I think the aspect Nolan doesn't get right is the casting of female leads in his Batman films. Of course, most so far were pushed on him by the Warner brass so Anne Hathaway was probably another one of those choices just as Katie Holmes and Maggie G were.

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST


    by Al Delvechio

    ...the mansion burning down somehow altered the type of rock the cave beneath was made of? There should be no "new Batcave" - Same land = same cave.

  • Sept. 4, 2011, 3:57 a.m. CST

    @lynxpro: Nolan, the batgrrls and women in general

    by Knuckleface

    I'll go out on a limb and say Nolan doesn't get women, in general. None of his films have had strong performances by women. ...and don't even tell me you thought Juno was good in Inception.

  • Sept. 4, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Har har. At least i'm not mad enough to fall to the JJ Abrams and Mikey Bay bullshit, am i? How's mad now?

  • And Anne Hathaway is good casting. Can't wait until, like Heath Ledger, you guys will have to eat your own words.

  • Sept. 4, 2011, 4:38 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Well, you do have a point in that so far Nolan has not made a movie which is centere around a female character. Yet, hopefully. But all the actresses in his movies have delivered good performances. Excepting Katie Holmes (which was not choice) all of the actresses chosen for his movies are done so because they are quite very talented. And even Holmes was good, but she was in the company of some of the best actors in the business, they overshawed her.

  • Sept. 4, 2011, 8:46 a.m. CST


    by Subtitles_Off

    Sorry. Just saw some more leaked photos of "Catwoman," "Bane," and "Superman." CRAP!

  • you'll have seven Subway foot-longs to chow down on. Here's what people will be saying about THE DARK KNIGHT RISES in a year's time... Well, um, I guess, gheesh, at least it wasn't as bad as MAN OF STEEL.

  • Sept. 4, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Asi, I can't be certain there's a choppah who dresses all in black, but

    by Subtitles_Off

    I guarantee there's at least one who wears little girl's panties, at times, and prances around in front of the mirror saying, "you is kine, you is smaht, you is impo'tant," just like Br'er Rabbit.

  • Sept. 4, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    As someone who finally saw SUCKER PUNCH in it's entirely a few hours ago, i can tell you wth extreme certainty that it's impossible for Nolan to make a movie worst then Zack Snyder. It's a certainty as true as gravity.

  • Sept. 4, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    No, the Joker did not "try with anarchy." See above.

  • Sept. 4, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    asimovlives, on the subject of Hathaway & Cottilard

    by lynxpro

    Seriously, Asi, if Nolan was to pick a French actress to play Talia Al Ghul, he could've chosen Eva Green [yeah, I know, everyone mistakenly believes her to be British] or Monica Bellucci [half French]. Either of them are hotter than Cottilard and are better actresses. Cottilard's acting in "Inception" was flatter than Portman's chest. Furthermore, Talia Al Ghul as a character should've appeared in "Batman Begins" instead of the lame made-up character of Rachel Dawes. Both Katie Holmes and Maggie G are also not hot. Carrie Anne Moss isn't exactly hot either. And Anne Hathaway certainly isn't either. My point? Nolan's female casting picks are what you would expect from a gay casting director with no eye for both female acting talent or raw looks.

  • Sept. 4, 2011, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Dig Hard

    by Sean

  • Sept. 4, 2011, 10:40 p.m. CST

    by Sean

    Dig deep. I'll raise you one Batmite and Max Schreck.

  • Sept. 5, 2011, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Look at those photos of Nolan's Bane, again. Then shut defuck up.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's like even Nolan doesn't realize he improved with THE DARK KNIGHT. Whadda we do next, Chris? Um, I dunno, really. Maybe we'll just go back to all the sucky bits from the first one. Whatever you say, boss. You're a gee-nyoose. Let this be his epitaph: At least he never made a movie as bad as any of Zack Snyder's. That's an accomplishment. Uh, sorta.

  • Sept. 5, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Asi, dear lord! Why do you do it to yourself?

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'm perfectly content in my life never having seen a full minute of SUCKER PUNCH. Were you performing some obscure self-mutilation ritual or something? Don't do that to yourself. You'll go blind.