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Some Cool DOCTOR WHO Opportunites Await You In Atlanta This Weekend!!

Published at: Sept. 1, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST by merrick

Merrick here...

...with a quick heads-up about DOCTOR WHO goings ons at Dragon Con in Atlanta this weekend.  

My good friend Ken Plume and I had talked about the possibility of me joining him for some of this merriment - alas timing and logistics worked against me.  Still, I was on the phone with Ken quite a bit yesterday as he drove from his North Carolina headquarters  to Atlanta, so I suppose I'm there in spirit. 

Ken is anchoring two DOCTOR WHO panels over the next few days.  They may well be of interest to both hardcore WHOvians and casual viewers as Ken is remarkably well-versed in WHO lore...and is quite knowledgeable about the 2005 + era...but he's also just setting out to watch the retro years, as I am.      

Readers may remember that Ken was actually one of two people responsible for getting me hopelessly hooked on WHO (details HERE) - he now launches Twitter-friendly descriptions of the retro episodes he's watching.  

Here's what he's Tweeted so far (you can find his Twitter stream HERE)...

 

AN UNEARTHLY CHILD: Elderly/crotchety time-traveler (with granddaughter in tow) time-naps nosy
 teachers & encounters fire-needy Shakespearean Stone Age cavemen.

THE DALEKS: The Doctor and his newly-minted companions arrive on an irradiated planet & find
 static-powered pepperpot bumper car mutants called Daleks.

THE EDGE OF DESTRUCTION: Everyone gets a bump on the head. Sabotage? Suspicion! Scissors! Terror clocks! What's that, TARDIS? Spring no sprung? Group hug? Snow!

MARCO POLO: Stranded, The Doctor & companions are aided then betrayed by homesick Marco Polo. Then Marco's betrayed! Betrayal all 'round! Kublai Khan!

THE KEYS OF MARINUS: A monkish alien bedeviled by divers has hidden his keys & rather dickishly forces The Doctor & companions to get them if they want to leave.

THE AZTECS: The Doctor & companions head back in time to Mexico for Aztec Spring Break where Barbara is mistaken for The Companion Who Would Be Goddess.

THE SENSORITES: The TARDIS materializes inside a ship full of fraidy-cats paralyzed by flat-footed
 psychic aliens fond of onesies but not humans.

THE REIGN OF TERROR: The Doctor re-crotchetifies & intends to unload his companions, but they find
 themselves smack dab in the middle of the French Revolution.

TIME & THE RANI: Newly regenerated into a spoon-playing bumbershoot enthusiast, The Doctor is
 manipulated by The Rani as Mel outruns Lawrence Welkian traps.

 

So, how does 1987's "Time and The Rani" fit into a list of DOCTOR WHO episodes from the 1960s?  Well, "Time and the Rani" is Sylvester McCoy's first episode as The Doctor - and Ken will be interviewing McCoy live and in person Friday morning, 11:30 am ( Centennial II - III - Hyatt).  Ken is, and I  do not say this lightly, one of the finest interviewers I've ever come across.   If you're at the convention, be sure to check out this discussion - it'll be something quite grand I should think.  HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!  We hope to have some video of Ken's discussion with McCoy shortly after their talk concludes - if/when this comes together we'll update this weekend's Friday Docback (which'll be dedicated to S6's "Night Terrors") with an embed.  

Ken will also anchor a second, more generally-themed DOCTOR WHO panel Sunday at 1:00 pm International North - Hyatt.  I believe there will be "prizes" at this one.  

Finally, if I understand correctly, there will be a screening of "Night Terrors" (S06E09) at the convention - Saturday I think.  I'm told a representative of BBC America may be there.  If this is so, and you're a regular reader of my WHO posts, maybe you could ask them why the hell I'm still not getting pre-screeners for S6 Wave 2.  After three business related e-mails to my BBCA contact, one personal e-mail expressing best wishes during the oncoming Hurricane Irene, one phone call, and one text message, I've received no answer and no explanation.  Strangely, I received an e-mail from the same contact  regarding a completely different matter we'd been looking into.  So, I dunno what to say or think at this point.  

You can learn more about Ken's weekend schedule HERE, and glean more details regarding DragonCon's overall schedule HERE.  

We'll be back tomorrow with the READER REACTION/Docback for "Night Terrors". 

 

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  • Sept. 1, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST

    You got your Doctor Who cosplay

    by Iowa Snot Client

    in my anime convention!

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST

    1st in a Doc Forum

    by Darth_Scotsman

    I shall wear this like a badge of Rasillion.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    darthscotsman

    by Mister Vertue

    Alas, I fear you're wearing it more like Colin Baker's pants than 'a badge of Rassilon', although I've never actually seen this particular badge, so it could be the equivalent for all I know. Still, you're a fellow Scotsman, so you'll take the news very well I'm sure. Or possibly not.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I always seem to be in the wrong country

    by Ithrat Cordwallis

    when interesting Who related things are on. For example, I ended up being in Switzerland last weekend, so I'm pretty sure I must have missed something interesting. Anyone? On an entirely unrelated note, Nina Toussaint White is lovely.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Dragoncon is pure Chaos! Way unorganized as far as conventions go,but

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    it is a cool fact that McCoy will be there. With all of the different type of conventions that we have here in America, I have never heard of, or seen a Con for Doctor Who fans. Is there one? I think there should be........must investigate further.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    michael_jacksons_ghost

    by Mister Vertue

    http://www.gallifreyone. com/ I believe this is the biggest Who convention taking place in the United States on a yearly basis, but that's just a guess. Somebody more knowledgable than myself may know differently, but Gallifrey One is definitely an international convention that I'm aware of, which is always a good sign. The good news is that they're apparently still taking registrations through to the end of October.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    ithrat_cordwallis

    by Mister Vertue

    Nope, I don't believe you missed anything important at all. Oh, did I mention that I lie now and again? It's great fun. And yes, I agree with you 100% regarding Nina Toussaint White. She's a lovely lady and a very fine actress.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    MOV - a Gallifrey One question....

    by wtriker1701

    You, a true Scotsman, don't happen to be there, by 'accident', do you? Well I know, I can't participate... I'd love to get to know Sylvester. No holidays, no time... just work... and Docbacks!

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the info MOV. In LA.....drats.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    McCoy, and Eric Roberts are the only guest missing to make that con have a full on Who movie reunion. Very cool stuff.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Gallifrey One is the biggest now

    by HornOrSilk

    But Doctor Who conventions go back a long ways, back to the Tom Baker era -- and Tom Baker had HUGE audiences coming to his conventions. I went to conventions from 1991-1993, with Visions 93 being epic: Peter Davison, Colin Baker, Carole Ann Ford, William Russell, John Levene, Elisabeth Sladen, John Leeson, Anthony Ainley, Nicola Bryant, Sophie Aldred, Jan Chappell, Wendy Padbury, Jacqueline Pearce, Mark Ryan, John Abineri, Jeremy Bulloch, Danny John-Jules, Bill Baggs, Christopher Barry, Jeremy Bentham, Jean-Marc Lofficier, Randy Lofficier, John Nathan-Turner, John Peel, Gary Downie

  • I was aware of DW of course as I was growing up, in a fringe sort of way (particularly being American, and I'm 35 now) but it always looked so incredibly cheesy and camp that it turned me off from afar. I had a good friend get me into the 2005 reboot about a year and a half ago, and absolutely adore the show now. But, I'm sorry, I still just can't subject myself to the original series. And I'll grant you that the stories may very well be there in some cases but, you may say you're a better man than I, I just can't see said stories thru the intense layer of schlock first.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    theseeker7

    by HornOrSilk

    Suggestion You might like _some_ classic episodes; I would recommend you try to watch "City of Death" written by Douglas Adams. It's a comic classic -- with John Cleese making a guest appearance.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    I love the stuff from the 3rd to 5th, 7th to 11th.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    First Doctor was like a paranoid Grandpa, always thinking that someone will put him in a home. 2nd Doctor was to me, hit and miss...sort of like that crazy uncle that you only see on holidays. 6th Doctor......no comment.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Here's something cool for people... history of Doctor Who on PBS

    by HornOrSilk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8inZdchIE5g&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RD5_S1u9iM&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORWOUsxVXI&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-M0tgZINsc&feature=related

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Here is a question for you hornorsilk.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    The First Doctor, when he regenerates.....was that the first time in doing so during his life at that point, or did he regenerate before that one, but just wasn't mentioned. The reason being, how come he is such an old man during that first go, and we have the 11th for close to 200 years "running", and look the same...not aging at all? I find it weird, and I don't recall that ever being brought up on old Who.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    MOV re: lying

    by Ithrat Cordwallis

    You see, with me, what with being an overgrown boy scout and everything, I never lie at all. Except about being in Switzerland. Blimey, it's infectious. Truth is, I was actually chilling out at my place near the North Pole, with its HD feed and as much iced tea as I could drink, but I really hope you weren't lying about Nina TW being lovely, because then I would be distraught. I would weep, I would, and there would be tears enough to dilute my iced tea beyond any semblance of drinkability, which would lead to even more tears, and before you knew it you'd have a cried-to-death overgrown boy scout on your hands, all as a result of these little lies of yours. I mean, it's all fun and games until someone intimating they're Superman suffers from some hideously implausible death, isn't it? Okay, back to what passes for reality for a moment: for those of you who are more familiar with the convention scene, what's the most recommended one in the UK, for DW in particular or for SF in general? In all my years of fandom for most strains of SF, I've never actually been to a big event, and it's about time to break the duck's back, as it were. All opinions sought, even the stupid ones (in fact, especially the stupid ones.)

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Michael

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, that is one of the questions of the show which, depending upon where you stand, the answer is it was his first, or far from the first. We really do not know. We do not know how old the Doctor really is; there are hints he is more than he appears to be -- even for the Time Lords. In Brain of Morbius, the idea was, at least at one time, that we saw earlier incarnations of the Doctor! But, since the episode doesn't make that clear, it's disputable. My view? I think the first Doctor is the first, only because I think he became the Doctor we know because of Ian and Barbara.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Thanks for that info hornorsilk.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I wonder if they will ever show a story or flashback of a younger First Doctor. I think that would be cool to see him as a younger version of Hartnell stealing the TARDIS.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    It's true.

    by closetsquirrel

    The comment about there being a screening of the new Doctor Who episode is correct. I'm going to be there to watch, dressed as the Doctor in fact. Also, not Doctor Who related but DragonCon, there's going to be auditions to be an extra for The Walking Dead.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    MJG

    by ByTor

    As hornorsilk says, Brain of Morbius was meant to give us the impression that there were Doctors before Hartnell, but it was never explicitly stated as such. Meanwhile, Mawdryn Undead (5th Doctor) very clearly says that he's regenerated 4 times, so that's pretty much the nail in the Morbius coffin. As far as age...we don't know exactly how aging works. The impression given is that they don't physically age, but maybe it's different for the very first body. We know they must grow up, because they are small children at first (e.g. the Master as seen in The Sound of Drums), but beyond that it's hard to say. We also know that they can regenerate into older bodies (e.g. Pertwee). Until and unless we get more clarity, I'm inclined to believe that at least the first body can age, but at a slower rate than humans do.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Conventions

    by ByTor

    Gallifrey One is the only significant Who-exclusive con I'm aware of anymore. There used to be more. Chicago used to be the epicenter of Who cons: we had the Visions conventions, and before that the TARDIS cons. I myself was luck enough to attend The Ultimate Celebration in 83 (all living Doctors at the time attended), along with TARDIS 21 and TARDIS 22. I have lots of great con stories, but I figured I'd save 'em for the Docbacks we have after the season is over.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the info bytor.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    And if someone wants to put together a Who convention, in let's say, Florida........I am all for it!

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    bytor no it doesn't

    by HornOrSilk

    Because it assumes a number of regenerations for him; there are many ways around it. One could be he doesn't remember before the Hartnell era and he thinks he is limited to only twelve. Another is he is talking about his Doctor identity. Another is he was lying...

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Hornorsilk

    by ByTor

    I think you really have to stretch to go there. It is stated more than once that Time Lords can only regenerate twelve times (Deadly Assassin, Five Doctors, even the FOX movie). His statement in Mawdryn is pretty direct: ''I can regenerate twelve times; I have already done so four times.'' I'm not saying that can't all be retconned away at a later date; the beauty of the Time War is that all sorts of things could've changed. But barring that, if we stick to on-screen evidence, Occam's Razor says Hartnell was the first. (Not to mention the flashbacks in The Next Doctor and The Eleventh Hour...)

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    bytor

    by HornOrSilk

    The Doctor has already been seen as something different from the rest of the Time Lords (Sly's reign deals with that; he was supposed to be more than a Time Lord by the end of Survival). On Sarah Jane Adventures, the Doctor gives a huge number of regenerations he can have. So the twelve is not a limit for him. The talk has been twelve was a mere legal limit imposed upon Time Lords, not a necessary one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9D-2HJMD9s

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    The Doctor's Age

    by glenn_the_frog

    Tardis wiki has a pretty thorough guide to canonically stated ages for the Doctor. http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doctor's_age General conceit is that he stole the tardis at about age 236, and had his first body for about 450 years old before regenerating, and he was chided for holding onto it for so long. (And as that doctor didn't start adventuring or getting into dangerous situations till very late, thats easy to understand.) By the 8th doctor, he was 1100... but when the relaunch came around, he started saying he was 900 again... which there is of course some contradiction going on. The original show is pretty consistent on his age, but by the time of the fourth doctor, he admitted that with all the timetravelling, he wasn't really keeping track of his age and had no idea how old he ACTUALLY was. As for Matt Smith doctor aging 200 years and not changing in appearance? Well... was it really 200 years? Or only six months?

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    The Doctor's regenerations

    by Mister Vertue

    William Hartnell is officially considered the 'first Doctor' and that's 100% canon. There's been several flashbacks to previous Doctors since 2005 and we've never seen anyone before Hartnell for a good reason; there isn't anyone before him! He's the original body. In terms of how long each body lasts and if it ages, that's still open for debate. His first body 'wore out' due to aging and that's why he regenerated the first time around. After that, who knows? He's never really had the chance to wear a body down since then, has he? That's all part of the fun of leaving your homeworld and going out into the big, wide, dangerous Universe(s), you're destined to run into more trouble than you can handle now and again. And regarding Russell's mention of regenerating more than twelve times in any spin-off shows, take that purely as tongue-in-cheek. Again, another throwaway line, but one that doesn't hold any truth at all. The Doctor's limited regenerations *will* be addressed at some point in the future, mainly because we're getting close to 'the end' of his natural life for him (if we can call it 'natural') and we can't ignore what has already been established on so many occasions in the past. If it had been mentioned once and everyone had forgotten about it, then it could have been brushed under the carpet and ignored. But it's a pretty major part of the show's history now and needs to be looked at, and I'm sure it will at some point.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    For the 50th anniversary, maybe we can see a younger version of the First Doctor?

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I think it would be a very cool concept.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Doctor's age and number of regenerations

    by DoctorTom

    Brain of Morbius (must be careful, almost typed Brian of Morbius - that sounds like someone who's funeral director for a mortuary for the rich and snooty) did establish earlier identities for the Doctor prior to Hartnell, but later shows establish Hartnell as the first Doctor. The problem is that the feeble attempts to claim that those were Morbius' past regenerations just don't fit with what is shown - Morbius wouldn't be sounding so triumphant and asking how far the Doctor's regenerations go back if they were his. <br> There had been theories using Lungbarrow to tie it in with the Cartmel Masterplan. The Doctor had genetic material from the Other (the unnamed third of Gallifrey's Trinity of Rassilon, Omega and the Other) in him when he was 'born' in the Loom (the Other had thrown himself into a Loom long before and there had been prophecies about the Other returning at some point). The previous regenerations seen in Brain of Morbius were believed to have been regenerations of the Other, not the Doctor. (Susan was supposed to be the granddaughter of the Other, but that's a completely different can of worms to get into.) <br> So, it's possible that Hartnell is the first Doctor, but there were regenerations before him. <br> Just to throw out another possibility, if you don't want to to with that theory - the Doctor is a completely new set of regenerations given to some other Time Lord, who doesn't remember his past after getting those regenerations. This would be like the Yana identity not remembering the Master. If the first of the new regenerations started as a child and he had no memory of his past before that, then it would slot in with what we have seen in Doctor Who. Well, except for the possible mother in the End of Time (though that could have been an adoptive mother who raised him, if that was indeed his mother). <br> As for the younger Hartnell stealing the TARDIS, we know (based on Sexy's comment of '700 years, it's about time you asked') that he was about 200 when he ran off with the TARDIS. If I recall, he was supposed to be about 450 when he was Troughton. Now, we had overlapping companions that would keep us from saying he had been out for 200 or 250 years after dropping Susan off (not to mention that he'd probably had never found his companions again if he had nipped out mid-adventure), so a lot of that time had to be before An Unearthly Child. So, it does raise the question of when did Susan come aboard the TARDIS? It doesn't seem like it was when he first took the TARDIS. For that matter, if you want to factor in the Doctor's crib being on the TARDIS, it could be possible that Susan used the Doctor's crib as a baby in the TARDIS. It's possible that Susan spent most her life on the TARDIS. <br> The question is how old a Time Lord in his first regeneration looks when he's about 200 years old. We know from Romana that they look pretty young when they're 110-120, but from The Lazarus Experiment it seems sticking 100 years on a Time Lord makes him very old (thanks, Rusty, for contradicting earlier stuff on Time Lord aging and apparent age). So, it's possible that at 200 the Hartnell Doctor looked the same as he did when we saw him in An Unearthly Child, or he could have looked much younger. Because of a lack of info on Time Lord biology we can't tell for certain one way or another.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Would be nice if in a future episode if it was explained.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    especially the older woman from the End of Time. I considered her to be the Doctor's mother, or Susan.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    doctortom

    by ByTor

    Just to follow up on what you said...I agree completely about Morbius. Those are clearly supposed to be the Doctor; any other interpretation is a form of hand-waving trying to make continuity fit. But of course, as you demonstrate, there are times where it just can't. (UNIT dating, anyone? That's horribly broken.) The problem with Lungbarrow/Cartmel Masterplan, of course, is that none of that happened on-screen. I don't want to start a canonicity debate (because those are pointless anyway), but even if you're inclined to accept the books as canon, the show later contradicts them (and even repurposes one into a two-part 10th Doctor adventure). The Master talks about his father's estates, and of course we see a child Master. Heck, the Doctor even mentions having been a parent before, which strongly suggests the whole Loom business doesn't apply. Of course, things could be different now. The Time War allows you to change pretty much whatever you like if you're the showrunner. They resurrected the Master and gave him the ability to regenerate; it's logical to assume they could've extended the limit by who-knows-what. Hell, they resurrected Rassilon. It's clear that the Time Lords of the Time War era are a hell of a lot more powerful than the goofballs we saw in the 80's. I'm sure Moffat or his successor will probably address this. But none of this fixes Morbius-versus-Mawdryn. Maybe, so very long ago, the Doctor was killed and resurrected, or given a second set of regenerations (they offered this to the Master back in Five Doctors, so presumably they could do it in extreme situations). Perhaps those faces come from a previous set. It's not a perfect explanation (Occam would hate it), but we have few alternatives.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    MJG

    by ByTor

    RTD is on record as saying that he deliberately did not say who the woman in The End of Time was so that it would be oopen to interpretation, but in his mind it had to be the Doctor's mother. Don't expect lots of explanations, though. Little tidbits may be revealed here and there, but overall the various production teams have all believed that there should be mystery surrounding the Doctor's background. Personally I'm fine with this. This was the big motivation behind the Cartmel Masterplan -- a plan I disliked in detail but applauded in general terms. Having questions about the Doctor, realizing that you don't know this person nearly as much as you think you do...that's a good thing, dramatically.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Bytor, totally agree with keeping some mystery to the Doctor.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Just a few things I hope they leak out later with Moff or future showhead. Stuff like Time War, Susan's whereabouts, Amy's house with 3 floors on the inside, 2 on the outside.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Brilliant idea, michael_jacksons_ghost...

    by Peter

    Here's how the beginning of the 50th anniversary special plays out in my head: ------ The Citadel of the Time Lords, Gallifrey... A young Gallifreyan has visited the Citadel's Grand Museum - imagine the British Museum, but filled with astonishing artifacts from all of time and space. He's bored. A fidget and a meddler, he is told off by the Museum sentry system for interfering with the priceless exhibits. And then he sees her; an old, obsolete Type 40 TARDIS, languishing in the corner. No one else seems interested, but this brash, youthful Time Lord doesn't see a dusty old exhibit - he sees freedom. And opportunity. And adventure. He is transfixed, as if this machine is calling him. So that night he sneaks back to the Museum, talks his way past the security systems and enters the TARDIS for the first time. His TARDIS. He didn't mean to steal it, not really. But he wasn't as clever as he thought; his transgressions discovered, Gallifreyan guards come running. He slams the TARDIS hatch shut to keep them out and the console softly lights up. It's as if this TARDIS is willing him to escape - as if it yearns for adventure as much as he does. One trip. Just one trip... let's see what the old girl's got. Outside, the guards stare dumbfounded as the exhibit fades slowly out of existence, accompanied by a rhythmic groaning and wheezing. Inside the TARDIS, this fugitive Time Lord allows his new companion to choose their eventual location - everywhere and anywhere. It's not the destination that matters - it's the journey. The Doctor is born.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    MJG, perhaps

    by ByTor

    But I'd guess we won't see the first two, at least. The third could well be part of Moffat's plans. Time War: we'll never, ever see this. In the first place, we're not going to see feature-length stories starring McGann. I know many fans want this -- hell, I'd love to see the guy act onscreen with a story that is somewhat coherent -- but it just won't happen. We need to stop thinking like fans for a moment, because the vast majority of viewers are not hardcore fans. They're casual viewers, and they tune in for fun adventures with the (current) Doctor. Plus, the Time War is never going to be as good as we imagine it. It's also hobbled because we know the ending (Doctor uses the Moment to destroy Time Lords and Daleks). It's also why we likely won't see a huge multi-Doctor special. At most, you might get a Tennant/Smith one-off, but dramatically having multiple leading men makes storytelling rough. As for Susan...if I might invoke Occam's Razor again: she's gone. Dead. All other Time Lords are dead, and we have to assume she was a Time Lord until told otherwise. Furthermore, the Doctor mentions in The Doctor's Daughter that he was a parent once, but that his family was gone. He doesn't specifically state that this was part of the Time War business, but that's how I read it. As lonely as he is to have another member of his species around (even the Master), if Susan were alive somewhere you'd think he'd've gone running to find her. But he specifically tells the Master, ''It's only the two of us; we're the only ones left.'' Having said that, there's always the Chameleon Arch. Susan could be human, somewhere, without her memories. With sci-fi, anything is possible.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Later Docbacks, have a good night, and see you Friday.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Cheers

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    man_of_vertue

    by notspock2

    Great to hear the number of regenerations will be addressed at some point, The SJA episode reference did seem a bit too throwaway to be taken seriously... and given the obvious care "the moff" lavishes on the show, it did seem kind of off. Perhaps sometime around 2013 would be a good time to give the good doctor another 50 or 100 years? He certainly deserves it.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Hello displaced DocBackers

    by gotilk

    I REALLY need to make time to get back to watching classic Who. I am also supremely jealous of anyone who can be there in Atlanta. Be sure to come back and spill the details if you can be there. Love you all.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST

    I know I've said this already

    by gotilk

    but I REALLY MISSED DocBack. (and talkback) A LOT. Be well. Talk to you all this weekend.

  • Sept. 1, 2011, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Slow night.

    by gotilk

    *crickets*

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 4:36 a.m. CST

    You know you watch too much 'Doctor Who' if...

    by buggerbugger

    ...you misread that headline as "Draconians!!..."

  • he was brilliant in the role. He had the madness of Tom Baker, and the flashes of anger that Pertwee could so often deliver, and a twinkle in his eye and a laugh that I still see in Matt Smith. And a forboding brooding stare that was all his own. And and and... just so much. I could wax lyrical about him for hours. And that's just based on his work in the episodes.. never mind the New Adventures, which really expanded the role wonderfully and his work in the Audio adventures which has been just lovely. I remember when they announced he was getting the role, and thinking to myself 'The guy with the spoons?? WTF?' It was the first time I was familiar with the actor who was going to take over the role, and so the first time that I had to deal with seeing someone and thinking of him as the Actor, and not The Doctor. But then, he became The Doctor very very quickly for me. The scene that many people remember for him, where Mel is leaving, is a particular stand out. It was adapted from Sylvester McCoy's screen test, where Janet Fielding (Tegan) was hired to act as a departing companion and a villain. McCoy stated that he always liked that particular screen test script and he lobbied for its inclusion in Dragonfire. The guy knew good writing, and he clearly knew the character. He deserves every bit of praise we can throw his way.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST

    MOV: apple style ad ruminations on Daleks

    by Fourthwall

    http://tinyurl.com/appledalek

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    petermck

    by Mister Vertue

    Nicely written, I enjoyed that!

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    On McCoy

    by ByTor

    Not sure if this will get read, since I expect a new Docback to be started soon. As for McCoy...I do agree he was let down by scripts (though I think this started getting better towards the end; The Curse of Fenric and Ghost Light are terrific). However...I'm also not convinced about McCoy himself. Oh sure, if you need manic, bouncing, gurning, etc. he can do that fine. I just don't think he can pull it back when necessary. He's a scenery-chewer, and in some cases that's great. Other times, not so much, but even when he tries to play quiet and understated, he still overplays it. On the other hand, Colin Baker (whose tenure I did not care for) can do it very well indeed, when needed. You can see glimpses of it in Revelation of the Daleks, but if you really want to see what I'm talking about, hunt down a copy of The Zero Imperative. A guy by the name of Bill Baggs made a number of videos during the time when the show was off the air. At first he did a series called ''The Stranger'' starring Colin and Nicola Bryant. Colin played a traveller called, obviously, the Stranger, and Nicola played his companion, called Miss Brown. It was meant to be the Doctor without being the Doctor. They are uneven, but some are entertaining. He also did some one-off stories, and The Zero Imperative was my favorite. It stars a number of Who folks, including McCoy, Colin Baker, Caroline John, Jon Pertwee, Mark Gatiss, Louise Jameson, Sophie Aldred...you get the idea. It was a nifty story, but what really made it was Colin's cool, understated performance. You see him do things like this and it makes you almost weep over how he was used in Doctor Who (badly). McCoy, on the other hand, goes so over-the-top that it's almost uncomfortable to watch. My overall suspicion is that McCoy is one of those actors that needs a strong director to maximize his talents.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Petermck, I like it as well, but I would add one more thing to that.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Have the Master with him during the museum tour, and have him trying to tell the Doctor to cut it out so they won't get into trouble. After they get kicked out, have the Doctor talk the Master into going with him that night to help him get past the security. When the Doctor finally gets the TARDIS, and then disappears, have the Master as the one that gets into the trouble/blame for the TARDIS getting stolen. It sets into motion the destiny for both of them....

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    bytor, I agree on the things about McCoy.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I just really dislike how his Doctor was killed off.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST

    McCoy's Exit

    by ByTor

    I don't disagree, MJG; I thought the FOX movie overall was a mess. The script was just incoherent, and to have the Doctor just walk out of his TARDIS and get shot was...underwhelming. Still, at least he got to come back and do it (likely for more money than he ever got from the BBC).

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    A mess indeed, the only good thing to even come out of the movie

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    was Paul McGann's casting. Other than that, it was just another sloppy Fox made for tv movie like Nick Fury, and Generation X.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    @Bytor - I've seen a few of The Stranger videos.

    by V'Shael

    And yeah, I really like Colin Baker. But I found McCoy able to do quiet and understated when necessary. Perhaps as you say, that is due to the talent of the director on the day? Nevertheless, I do think he's capable of it.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    mj's ghost - it wasn't the only good thing

    by DoctorTom

    They had good TARDIS sets - the control room was fantastic (and probably helped people think beyond the sterile white control room when it was time to reboot the series in 2005).

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    The FOX movie

    by ByTor

    The problem wasn't really FOX. FOX had influence, of course, but that script was all Matt Jacobs and Phil Segal. They can try and blame the studio if they want, but I've seen the first draft script. It's not that different. The network certainly didn't tell them to do a climax that made absolutely no sense whatsoever. And I do agree the TARDIS set/console was amazing. Still my favorite.

  • Sept. 2, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Show sucks

    by Victor

    Brits make crap, so they're forceD to watch it. Only reason it exists. Almost no Americans watch this garbage.

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Trolls need to get busy before the thread ends ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    Better luck next time.

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Bytor, the "Fox" Movie ending, MJ's Ghost

    by lynxpro

    First off, I liked tonight's episode. Although we'll all be debating The Doctor's line about being a child about a thousand years ago... Bytor, as for the ending of the "Fox" TV Movie, I didn't find it confusing at all. As a matter of fact, neither did Hollywood because they obviously ripped off the ending and used it as the end of "Galaxy Quest" as well [substitute the name "Eye of Harmony" with "Omega 13" and you have the very same McGuffin and resolution]. The energy the Eye emitted which revived Grace and Chang-Lee is liberally used in NewWho. We've seen it as Nanites, as regeneration energy as well as "Vortex" energy. To MJ's Ghost... I don't see much inconsistency with the 1st Doctor aging so much yet later Doctors age much more gracefully. See, since I'm a fan of the idea of The Doctor being half-human, I see the 1st Doctor's aging as a symptom of his mixed parentage. His humanness is what causes him to age and his body essentially wearing out. Of course, once he regenerates for the first time, most of his human DNA is rewritten and thus he then [well, revealed later with the 3rd Doctor] has 2 hearts and ages much better. So you can have the 11th Doctor age 200 years and still look not a day older. Hell, the 4th Doctor was artificially aged 500 years in "The Leisure Hive" and well he looked older and more frail but he didn't look all that ancient. The only real inconsistency we have is with the 10th Doctor being artificially aged 100 years and then 1,000 years and turned into an elf in that wretched 2-part finale from S3 of NewWho but I blame RTD's shoddy-in-my-opinion writing for that rather lame inconsistency. So there you go, easy explanation why the 1st Doctor couldn't handle aging all that well. Besides, he was a good 400 years old by that point too... And no, I do not subscribe to NewWho's "age" of The Doctor. The 9th Doctor let it slip that he'd been traveling in the TARDIS for 900 years but we all known he was 200+ when he stole it in the first place. Personally, I'd rather believe it has been 900+ years since the end of the Time War and thus The Doctor started counting his age over from when he became the "Last of the Time Lords"... Of course, I also subscribe to other ideas that a lot of fandom would consider heresy, such as the TARDIS having belonged to The Doctor's father originally, etc. Then again, I'd say the books over the years have embraced a lot worse ideas than that [in my opinion, of course]...

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk, bytor, regeneration limit

    by lynxpro

    The regeneration limit was a product of ClassicWho courtesy of Robert Holmes. I tend to view it as obviously influenced by the ancient Athenian law of "Ostraka" which banished the most powerful people from Athens for a period of 10 years in order to ensure they didn't become too influential. Yes, thanks to "The Deadly Assassin" and all the way to the TV Movie, the law of the Time Lords was that Time Lords could only regenerate 12 times and thus they'd only have 13 lives/incarnations and after that, the gig was up and they'd "die" and be placed inside The Matrix [the OG Matrix, not the ripoff with Keanu Reeves]. The Master of course made a mockery of that law by first trying to open the Eye of Harmony on Gallifrey [and later the gateway to it inside the TARDIS in the TV Movie] to suck up enough power to forcibly regenerate himself [apparently with no limits], then when that failed he stole Tremas's Trakenite body, bartered with the Time Lords to get a new set of regenerations in "The Five Doctors", getting infected by the Cheetah virus, and apparently finally stealing the human body of Bruce the ambulance driver before being consumed by the TARDIS. Since the Time War, apparently the regeneration limit was suspended and we don't know the exact number of regenerations The Doctor now has. Maybe he's totally unlimited and he inherited all the regeneration energy of all the dead Time Lords via some Highlander-esque Immortals Tom Foolery, or not. Then there's the whole resurrection of The Master. I'd prefer to view him as an echo of the "real" Master, a la "Tom Riker" from TNG but that's my own personal spin on the subject. I truly did hate Bonnie Prince Rassilon the Pretender even if I generally like Timothy Dalton in his other works. Next?

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 10:17 p.m. CST

    doctortom... More than a Time Lord, Masterplan, Looms, etc.

    by lynxpro

    Back when McCoy was still on the tv screen and that "More than a Time Lord" line was uttered, I thought perhaps The Doctor was an amnesiac Rassilon who had been given another regeneration cycle. Similarly, I thought back then he was possibly half-human thanks to all the inference laid out in "Delta and the Bannermen" when The Doctor warned about interspecies relationships and the pain the children would experience. At no point did I logically conclude The Doctor must be some reincarnation of some unnamed Time Lord from the age of the founding of the Time Lords which was later revealed in the books as Andrew Cartmell's "plan" to revive the mystery of Doctor Who. I always thought that as being rather clunky. As for "The Brain of Morbius", well, that "reveal" was ignored for the duration of the rest of ClassicWho. I also want to point out a reason why The Doctor would deny his mother being anything less than a Time Lord for the duration of ClassicWho and NewWho with the exception of the TV Movie. If The Doctor's mother was from any other species than from the planet Gallifrey, if they found out, The Doctor's enemies could go all Terminator and hunt her down through time and kill her before the birth of The Doctor thus erasing him from time and space. I'd say that's quite a reason to remain rather vague about his alleged lonely child origins...

  • Sept. 3, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    No outcry over WonderCon being moved to SoCal?

    by lynxpro

    I'm really pissed off over WonderCon being moved from San Francisco to damn Anaheim next year. Anaheim can suck it for all I care. First they try to steal the Kings from NorCal and now this...

  • Sept. 6, 2011, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Dragoncon, woo

    by sharpie

    I got to hang out with Mr. McCoy at the bar last night, great, great guy, and I don't think he gets nearly as much credit as he deserves.