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Goddammit, George... NO!
Nordling here.
Just play the clip, and then come back.
Okay. According to Badass Digest, this is confirmed... yes, Vader says "No!" as he picks the Emperor up. This is yet another change in the Original Trilogy, and yeah, I'm pissed off about it.
It was already such a perfect moment. As Luke, dying under the Emperor's torrent of force lightning, calls out to his father to help him, Vader stares quietly, looks at his son, then at the Emperor, and makes his decision. And he DOESN"T FUCKING SAY A THING. That's what makes it so powerful. You could almost see the thought process behind the mask, as Vader slowly comes out of the fog of 20+ years of evil. It's a grand, amazing moment and the pinnacle of the trilogy, in my opinion.
And George Lucas just ruined it.
Goodnight, STAR WARS. Thanks for the memories.
Nordling, out.
Update to include another twisting of the knife - Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon call now sounds like he's getting a hummer in a back alley on Mos Eisley:
Ugh.
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Lucas needs locked up before the entirety of the Original Trilogy is ruined.
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You'll be missed.
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I assume that's what Lucas is suffering from?
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He knows this will piss of fanboys. I think he's bored, personally.
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equally pathetic the Emperor's feeble cry as he plummets to his fate is...
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I mean, fucking christ Lucas is just spinning out of control. AGAIN with his "everything must be repeated" bullshit. Knock it the fuck off! It wouldn't be that big of a deal if he would just include the fucking unaltered versions too.
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You fucking RUINED STAR WARS YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!
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At least Empire hasn't been fucked with all that much. It's just Jedi and Star Wars that have been bastardized...but Empire is still somewhat decent.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST
The trilogy was ruined a while ago. This is just icing on the turd cake.
by nothingasitseems
I swear, this fucking guy must have ADHD to keep tinkering with these movies like he does.
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Then why does he keep fucking them up?
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Why would you continue to tinker with this film? For a man that spearheaded the preservation of classic films. Why does he continue to mess with the original trilogy?
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WHY DIDN'T HE JUST FLY/LEAP AWAY WHEN VADER THREW HIM? Explain this to me, Star Wars nerds.
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Seriously though it makes sense... Like George says in all those behind the scenes features "It's like poetry, they rhyme". Okay, so he's going back and changing something in a 28 year old movie so it "rhymes" with his crappy prequel trilogy but... I don't know how to end that sentence.
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second one is pretty fucking awful though. imagine if peter jackson did this shit to king kong over 35 years. i laugh at the implications.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST
I'm surprised he doesn't have Jar Jar walk by in the background and step in shit!
by Jaster Mareel
Seriously, hass he not heard how we all cringed and covered our faces during his bizarro Frankenvader spectacle that totally fucks up the end of Sith? That could have been such an amazing moment and instead it's turned into a comical farce. I imagine everyone at Lucasfilm is constantly plotting his death like Caesar in the Senate. One day they'll all just attack him wmith daggers. Fifty bucks says Lucas falls to his knees, throws his hands up to the ceiling and yells "NOOOOOOOO!"
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Star Wars...now with more Lucasfail
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but seeing new things to keep it fresh is ok too
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Will someone please get rid of that guy so that the rights for these movies pass on to someone who'd willing to treat the galaxy far, far away with a little fucking respect? Seriously, anyone?
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That's it, I'm done. Out. Fuck your blurays and fuck you in your fat fucking lumberjack ass you stupid fucking prick. WHY DO YOU HATE THESE MOVIES SO MUCH AND WHY DO YOU WANT TO RUIN THEM??? You just took a Death Star size shit shaped like Jar Jar all over one of the greatest and most emotional scenes of the entire trilogy. It used to choke me up, not it just makes me choke on my own vomit. Fuck you, George. I was gonna buy the original trilogy blu-rays, but now? Fuck you. FUCK. YOU. Asshole.
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The thing about George is that he's no longer a young artist, collaborating with several other people whom have no problem telling him when his ideas are stupid. Now he's "Mr. Lucas" and he's surrounded by yes-men who care more about getting in good with the bossman than calling him out on his shit. ALL good creative endeavors are collaborative efforts. It seems like George Lucas forgot about this long ago. This is the most powerful moment in the movie. It's amazing. It didn't need to be messed with. God-damn you, George. God-damn you to hell.
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You can tell because the audio at the end of the clip doesn't match the video. And those "nos" were just lifted off "Revenge of the Sith". Jesus, calm down.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST
That's so bad it has to be a fan made clip to rile everbody up.
by Monkeybrains
I can't believe this shit.
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Get it over it, you fat fucks.
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...whats wrong with what George is doing guys?? Star Wars is HIS story! He's free to do whatever he wants with it! Personally I've always been fine with whatever changes he's made, 'cos its HIS story to tell, and we're FANS aren't we? For god's sake, stop getting all emo about these issues. Look forward to the Blu Ray set!!! I certainly am :)
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Hands down the funniest thing I've seen in awhile. Thanks George!
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST
King Kong is pure shit, so it wouldn't really take anything away.
by Randy
I mean I don't get why anybody would be mad at this, it's going to happen, it's been happening since the 90's. George is going to keep changing shit and doing whatever the hell he wants, it's going to be endless. I will watch my original theatrical cut on DVD and enjoy it. Oh, and like I said above, Kong is a shitty film as it is, so Jackson can change whatever the hell he wants, some editing would be nice.
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It would be weird for a few years, but I could deal. But then he loops in the same Fucko the Clown "Nooooooo!" from Sith and just turns the whole fucking saga into shit puree!
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST
What's funny is you have a Headline that says "George" and "NOOO," and I know there's something wrong with Star Wars.
by Elsewhere
See above subject.
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Please let this be a fake.
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Thats the only explanation
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST
Still Not Worse Than Luke Screaming As He Falls Down the Bespin Shaft
by Autodidact
Maybe for the 3D blu-ray release he'll update that to "NOOOOOOooo I'm FALLLLINNGGGG HELP ME" so that we can be sure everyone understands it's not good to commit suicide.
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I admit the second clip does sound very..fakey.. hmm..
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Just so people know, that clip is from the DVD's with the blu ray audio laid over it. In the actual blu ray video, the timing is better and Vader says his second "Nooo" just before he picks up the Emperor rather than while he's lifting him over his head. It does work better....but I still don't like it.
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I want these on Blu so bad but they didn't even do anything to these, "good enough" again for that money-grubbing whore....Don't give him your money, all these small "alterations" are an insult to EVERYONE.
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grrrr...
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be mad at general mills they have fucked up the taste of my fav cereal COUNT CHOCULA! and that is something i can never get back
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST
Wicket has eyes! And they blink! Thanks George!
by TheUmpireStrokesBach
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3K4CLWW4
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NO FUCKING WAY that's real! It's completely fucking ridiculous and doesn't sound like an old man OR an animal he's supposedly imitating. In fact it sounds like one of those fucking laughable yeti yells on Bigfoot Hunters or whatever that show is called. He did change the call to something else for the SE's though I don't remember what it sounds like. It was different but not like a retard getting strangled as it is here.
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You're all idiots. Sorry, but you can bitch and complain all you want how Lucas fucked these movies up for you. NEWSFLASH... THEY'RE HIS MOVIES, NOT YOURS! You're still going to buy the Blu Rays and still complain. OH AND HEY, Go Fuck yourselves!
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I mean, really, these are obviously fake clips, so maybe you should do a little more research before you post this shit. But then again, that would be the responsible thing to do.
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... Vader now says, "Master, let me help move you into a better position. Duh-woops!!!"
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You're a fucking retard. If HALF the films you get a boner for were remotely watchable, MAYBE I'd respect your opinion. But you like shit, so your opinion is unwarranted and unwanted.
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I've been watching the series with my (6 year old) son recently, in order of episodes. We're just getting to Return of the Jedi. And you know what? I realize everybody bitching is wrong. Change them, George. Change them all. Bring a complete continuity to all 6 episodes. Remove and rework all the sets on the original Star Wars so that they have a scope equal to that of the prequel trilogy (not just a few MosEisley shots and Cloud City windows) and stop the sets looking like cheesy cardboard cutouts (especially New Hope). Edit in sound effects (yes, even the "no") to bring a continuity. Add more digital aliens, rework prequel aliens into original backgrounds. Pull out the actors from the originals, retweak the sets digitally, put the actors back in, and make the whole thing look like it was made post-2000 - scene specific, but it is required in many spots. Then, touch up the prequel trilogy a bit too. People jumping through the air look wrong in those, fix that. Jar Jar is too silly in Episode 1. I know you were on the cutting edge of digital characters, but you went a wee bit too far with him. Pull it back a little. You chopped him out of the next two, so I really think you know what I mean. Flesh out the tone of the whole thing. Then release it all as one giant "Continuity Edition" on blu ray. And then, dear Uncle George, my childhood hero, an artist I still humbly respect, package it with the original releases. I'll give you the 1979 release with "A NEW HOPE" in the scrawl. But otherwise, release it all with the old fashioned, untouched, as originally released editions, just as they were on the first day they touched silver screen. Then the bitching will stop. Then people can see what it is you are trying to do, as well. They might not like it, but they can see the originals they love, and the epic that you are trying to show. Everybody walks out happy. And then maybe, just maybe, Star Wars can find some peace. PS 3D is not the answer.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST
George is a 67 year old skank letting Wacko Jacko's surgeon perform a boob job on the best knockers in cinematic history.
by rosasaks
I'm not even joking. It's like a psychiatric illness. Those tits were perfect and that boy could sing and it don't matter if God or Love or Destiny intended it to be that way but that's what it was. "All right, Mr DeMille, I'm ready for my scalpel."
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No kidding, right? It's poor dubbing of sound clips off starwars.com sound boards of Vader saying "NO!" Another reason the Asshats at AICN should just go back to their Mother's Basements and hide.
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No one here was going to buy the blu-rays anyway, so I don't see why this has to be a big deal.....
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST
That "dragon call" audio is funny as hell!
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
Ooooooooooooooo!
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They come from leaked rips from Vietnam which appeared online today. There's still a chance that it's all a hoax of course but we'll have to wait for the UK reviews to be sure one way or another.
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I haven't had it for a while.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST
FUCK GEORGE LUCAS IN THE ASS WITH A BIG BLACK RUBBER DONG
by SmokingRobot
Until he dies. Seriously, anyone who spends money on this shit is crazy. ENOUGH. E-FUCKING-NOUGH. IT'S OVER. FUCKING OVER. IT'S BEEN OVER SINCE THE PREQUELS.
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Hmmm, what a wonderful smell you've discovered... George is altering the deal. Pray he doesn't alter it any further.. Man this deal is getting worse by the minute! George, you're a wonderful human being. I bet George, you've been wanting to do this a long time? ''Yes... I bet you have...''....(SHOT FIRST)
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST
I'm surprised there aren't animated thought balloons and Padme flashbacks...
by SubliminalJones
More mutilation of the OT in the service of 5 to 8 year olds who are too dim-witted to pick up on the subtlety of Vader's original silent internal struggle. Good God. Add this to the list of maddening kindergarten puzzlers such as "Daddy, why did that mean man just shoot that funny green alien?", "Daddy, how did Darf Vader get from that floating city to his big ship?" and "Daddy, who's that icky old man ghost next to ghost Obi and ghost Yoda?" and such a change must make perfect sense to Lucas. Thank you, George, for saving me 70 bucks.
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Someone is pulling our collective legs, right? WTF?
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I know I am not the first, but I had to.
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but they were made by people who have seen the few preview samples that were given out...so they took revenge of the sith audio to approximate what's really on the blurays...the blurays will more than likely be slightly different but the added NOOOs and change to Obiwan are in there...just not EXACTLY like in those clips
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he is taking away every memory i have of these films with this endless editing shit
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Is obviously fake. But more fucking hilarious than the double "No".
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST
interesting how he can pinpoint all the sublime little touches
by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead
that made the originals great, and deface them. Like Nordling, that was probably my favourite character moment in Star Wars; the way Vader watches impassively (we imagine) and then suddenly turns to action. It was great and pretty moving, and this latest change seems like a deliberate attempt to ruin it. <P> I mean, the 'nooo!' comes across more like Vader is under remote control and he can't help what he's doing and is trying to rail against it.<P> The other beautiful little moment is where Luke looks at the binary sunset and the music plays. Lovely scene. I assume he is working on it right now.<P> I loved the original films but I stayed well away from the others. Him wanting to destroy his movies is fine by me but you'd have thought that he'd let fans have the original films if they really wanted them. Somewhere along the line he seems to have developed some bitterness, towards his creations and their fans both; now there's an malign feeling to everything he does.<P> At the very least he shouldn't be living in the past so much, it's creepy. Imagine if Spielberg hadn't moved past Jaws, and was even now suing the model makers all the time, and adding/removing/altering scenes. If it was well-intentioned, it would be awkward and embarrassing; with this passive-aggressive spiteful approach, it just becomes 'fuck off, George'.
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I think this the final proof that he's a shitty director and screenwriter. He makes me hate the original movies now, even the ones that haven't been "updated." I can't support a guy who caught lightning in a bottle and then jammed that bottle up all of our asses.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST
Ooh look! A chance for haters to trash George Lucas even more!!
by mikeysquirrel
Yea, I don't know about you, but I think it's totally cool to spout off how he raped our childhood, etc. like some kind of faceless internet bigshot jumping on the bandwagon of hatred. Please. It's fucking STAR WARS. No matter what George does with it, it's his vision and it's still a hell of alot better than 99% of the steaming turds that the Hollywood crap machine of unoriginality pumps out every week. If you don't like all these changes, then watch your original versions on DVD or VHS, or wait until the original, untouched versions come out on Blu-Ray, because you know god-damned well that will eventually happen. If all you haters (and supposed SW fans) want to preserve the memories and greatness that is Star Wars, then stop shitting on the man who created it. Geez.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST
take a lap mikeysquirrel you're in unfriendly territory
by Raskolnikov_was_framed
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And somehow posted on AICN. Troll casts Star Wars Bait. It's Super Effective!
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I have the original holy trilogy on VHS. And I keep a VHS player around, just to watch it once a year. That's all I'll ever need. I didn't get it on DVD, I won't get it on Blu-Ray. Because it's fucking Star Wars, and it doesn't need to be HD.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST
I think that Lucas isn't so much arrogant....
by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder
...as he is OCD. To have the level of success he's reached, but he still lets a hinky speeder shadow or a 38th-of-a-second wrinkle on a digital critter's hide be a burr up his ass for 30-plus years - THAT's not normal. Not that having allegedly adult film fans shit themselves like frightened old women, over the same minor shit that drives Lucas up a revisionist wall is all that different.
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This is the geek equivalent of race baiting.
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I saw the title and thought, 'trouble's a-brewin down at the old Skywalker place.'
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST
It's Clear George Views The Prequels As His Masterpiece
by Raskolnikov_was_framed
and is changing around to original to try and mesh with his beloved second trilogy
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Just because someone remakes a movie or in Lucas' case, adds to an existing movie, it's not like he's taking every single copy of the original and burning it. It still exists. You can still watch it and enjoy it. It's like Coke and Vanilla Coke. I hate Vanilla Coke. I don't think it improves the soda at all. But instead of bitching about it and stomping my feet like a little brat, I just choose NOT to drink it. I drink the original Coke. Just like you and everyone else can choose to watch the original Star Wars.
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He is an arogant asshole who thinks he is a god. He has as much as said that these are HIS FILMS, HIS VISION, and that he would have made them this way back then if he could have. What he won't acknowledge is that if no one bought the movie tickets and toys and bedsheets and don post masks and the rest of it he would have nothing. When Spielberg changed the guns to walkie talkies in E.T., that didn't bother me, as it was a change that made sense. It didn't affect the film at all, and he did it because agents in that position would have been armed, but would;nt have been chasing a bunch of kids in a populated area with their weapons pulled - that makes sense, but you will never see him replace Bruce with CGI. Lucas is a dick, and my favorite movie of his was always American Graffitti. Go change the classic cars to audis you bloated shitbag.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:38 p.m. CST
yeah, the new dialogue manages to drown out the great cue
by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead
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That wasn't as bad as I'd feared, though I'm not pleased about it in the slightest. I agree the scene was powerful as it was, that that wasn't necessary and for some reason George simply does not understand that concept...that some things do not have to be said in dialog and certain things do not have to be shown for us to know they happened (Vader's shuttle heading to and docking in the super star destroyer in Empire comes to mind). However...I must point out...it could have been much worse. We could have ended up with a Jar Jar-ified original trilogy.
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George you motherfuckin' asshole, you just ruined it. Now I see you for the true hack that you are, only trying to "perfect" your vision now that today's technology offers you that chance. My God, did he just really butcher my fond memories of Star Wars?
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If you actually think that the Blu-Ray isn't going to include all the CG bullshit he threw into the very first Special Edition, you should probably try to be more realistic.
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To record this new dialog? ya figure Lucas would've still figured some way around it? (though now I think about it, maybe he had this line recorded from way back in the first place, and just now is putting it in)
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST
Remember, this is poetry, each stanza is supposed to match. (meaning 4-6 needs to suck as much as 1-3)
by popeofchilitown
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST
Those are fake, or there's gonna be lot's of $100 refunds a week later.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
I read some article about how in depth they went to perfect the sound. There's no way they would screw this up like this. The Krayt dragon sound was perfect in mono. stereo, surround, etc. They wouldn't change it. Most fans were hoping they changed Darth Vader's "Nooooo" at the end of Revenge of the Sith, there's no way they would use it again.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST
I just popped Empire into my DVD player....and I noticed that Han Solo makes a reference to Christianity
by Bobo_Vision
"Sir, your Taun taun will freeze before you reach the first marker." <p> "Then I'll see you in Hell!!!" <p> It's a great line....but....in a land far, far away...in a time long, long ago....why is Han Solo referencing something from JudeoChristianity? <p> That's like Yoda saying, "Luke, search your heart for Jesus." Well...not exactly like that...but you get the jist. It's a cinematic boo boo. <p> I still love the line, though.
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Let's face reality here, folks. The ONLY good movie out of the original trilogy was EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. So Lucas fucking with a movie that was already pretty fucked when it was originally released is NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL........
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But I'm thinking this is a joke. I kind of believed the "no" but then that scream...it just sounds like some Youtuber howling in mic...I could be wrong, but I don't think I am, and hope I'm not. If this is REALLY how it is, no joke I won't buy the set.
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Spielberg didn't like the idea that agents had guns pointing at kids as they flew over their heads on the bicycles so he took them out and replaced them with radios, BUT he put the original on the DVD release. What is so hard with this? If Lucas would just put out the unaltered original alongside whatever flights of fancy he has no one would complain, but he simply refuses to let anyone see the movies as they originally existed. The last version of the unaltered films I had was a VHS release years ago, and even then the ads proclaimed (in a baiting "buy-me-before-it's-too-late" way) that it was our final chance to purchase the original trilogy. I was naive at the time and thought it wouldn't be available for a long time (a la Disney's vault), but no! All Lucas meant was that he would be screwing with the movies for years to come.
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Spielberg has admitted what he did in ET was a mistake and he'll never touch one of his movies again...He learned from his mistakes, Lucas only wants to compound his
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The first "No" appears to be taken from the line "No, leave them to me" and the second "No" is a filtered version of the ROTS "Nooo". It's not confirmed yet but it's looking like a real possibility that it's an elaborate hoax.
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Let's put Leia in a burka on Jabba’s sail barge. Screw the gold bikini. Remember, god cries when fanboy's touch themselves!
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Over the years he seems to be the one to blame for all these remixes, I know he loves "HIS" sound effects but to put the X-Wings engine roar OVER the fanfare music at the start of the Death Star attack for the DVD was just another bonehead idea of his. I bet Ben found hours of audio of Vader saying NO from episode 3 so he got the great idea to put some of those unused audio takes in Jedi. George can't say no to the guy so in it goes. Those two have been remixing the audio from the first release of Star Wars as Hamill was called in to dub new lines in 1977 after the film was out.
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he could have screamed "No Yousa gonna die Big Boom !"
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST
cricketycrujo, I thought that that was the problem?
by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead
That you can't get the originals anymore, except the VHS, laserdisc and some unofficial DVD transfers of the VHS? That's how I understood it. If not, can somebody point me to the DVDs, cause i'd fancy having the originals on something other than video.
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And he's going to keep doing this until he croaks, which will hopefully be sooner rather than later. Lucas has shown himself to be a talentless piece of shit. He got lucky on A New Hope. After that, it seems that he was smart enough to surround himself with competent people, yet still managed to fuck up some things (Ewoks) from behind the scenes. Unfortunately, after 15 years, the man's ego was utterly mastadonic and we got the three piles of CGI dogshit known as the prequels. What a fucking waste of polygons. Now his ego is driving him to fuck over the originals more and more. The man is a hack who got lucky once and has ridden that success for decades. Too bad for us. The sooner that fat bastard dies off and leaves the trilogy in the hands of someone who actually knows fucking cinema, the better. Then maybe we'll get the opposite: Original trilogy + overworked prequels, although they'd probably have to completely fucking redo them to make them worthwhile.
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To quote the great El Duce, "It's over. It's all over. You make me spew no more. SPEW NO MORE."
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST
A-List screenwriter David Koep is to conflate Episode IV and Episode V while going for the Muppets in Space treatment.
by rosasaks
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST
If these are fake, Nordling owes me a job writing for the site.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
If these are real, I owe Nordling a brand new blu-ray. I can offer him a job, but he would not want to live where I live, it gets cold here. Details can be worked out later.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:44 p.m. CST
The problem with the "Lucas can do whatever he wants because it's his sandbox" logic
by Nerd Rage
Is that young George Lucas and old George Lucas are clearly two different people. If the two could meet in a single timeline the younger one would strangle the older one with piano wire before letting him shit all over his trilogy.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST
As much as I would LOVE to own the OG trilogy on bluray
by Raskolnikov_was_framed
it'll be theatrical release only that I buy(not holding breath)...why can't George just do a release like they did with the Alien Anthology set...theatrical right with all the special editions...you chose which to watch...done, end of story, tons of money in George's pocket
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Don't buy the Blu-Rays and blog, email why others shouldn't either. These people are business men and they won't understand until it hits them in their pockets!
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www.originaltrilogy.com
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These new "Changes" just shows that he didnt create these films in the first place.
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These new "Changes" just shows that he didnt create these films in the first place.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:48 p.m. CST
Yeah, but ROTJ's newly blinking Ewoks will make all of this OK!!!
by Merrick
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big whup
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST
it is awesome to think about what they'll look like in thirty years
by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead
just picture it. His madness would be up there on screen for everybody to see, and I bet it would be funny. He'll drag a couple of acquaintances round and they'll sit there shuffling uncomfortably, trying to sound vaguely impressed. <P>By the time he's 3Dified them smell-o-vision will be out and Avatar 2 will send him screaming back to the edit bay once again.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST
for those saying "it sounds so fake" -- did you actually READ the video description?
by TheSeeker7
It very clearly says how this is not a sampling from the actual BD video. Merely this is the video maker's interpretation of what the "no!" will sound like. It sounds made up because IT IS MADE UP. Not saying it's still not a horrible idea, of course it is, but that's not exactly the way it'll sound in the finished product.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST
it isn't a big deal cuz I wasn't buying this set anyway
by Raskolnikov_was_framed
I just feel bad for people who have preordered them and won't find out about this until it's too late and the disc is in their bluray player
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...money is the only thing Lucas responds to. This is ridiculous.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST
CONFIRMED: RYAN DUNN has been CGI rendered and inserted in the Pod Race sequence!
by Dr. Francis B. Gross
And all y'all can suck my mother fucking COCK!
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I don't give a shit. I love Star Wars. I will be buying this set.
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This is one part of the whole series that got me all teary eyed, but now has become a fucking joke.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST
When the Hero's Journey goes wrong, the would be hero then becomes the tyrant king.
by TheUmpireStrokesBach
And in that sense, George's life has mirrored both sides of the Hero's Journey almost perfectly. The OT's story of Luke and his triumphs reflects the young Lucas as a film-making rebel that toppled the Hollywood empire with a small band of loyal friends and allies. The PT is like that same glass, though darkly. As Anakin desired to do everything his way at all costs, fucking over any and every friend or ally that attempted to intervene, Lucas reflected that very same self-serving principle, from his vice like grip on the writing of the scripts, right on down to the fucking pixels on an actor's face.. Darth Vader is impotent methinks.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST
yelsaeb...you're why we keep getting shit like this
by Raskolnikov_was_framed
thanks a lot pal
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SORRY THAT SCENE NEED SOMETHING.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST
George, if you NEED to tinker, get rid of the Ewoks
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Replace them with Wookies as you originally intended. That act alone will vindicate all the negative feelings SW geeks have built up over the years and garner you enough geek love and $$ to last you a thousand years.
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What we know: 1) George will never stop tinkering with these films. There will never be a definitive "Director's Version". 2) Part of the reason for #1 is the money to be made. George loves to continue to make money off these movies 3) Fans will never stop debating about the best version(s). While a lot of people want the original unaltered version, there are just as many people that enjoy some of the new changes. So what is the solution? A new paradigm: The "Fan Cut". Lucasfilm launches a huge poll in a love letter to fans that allows us to vote on every small change. In some cases, there might be a few different versions of a scene to choose from, but at the end of the day, the fans vote on each change. The final tally gets edited into a fan cut. The fans hopefully get something close to a definitive version, Lucasfilm gets massive press, and George gets to sell one more version of these films. It's win win win. I bet if he released these theatrically too, they would make a nice chunk of change as well.
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Yet another reason to stick with the crappy laserdisc quality versions on DVD of the original movies (non-special editions) George just can't let things go, it's like a sickness at this point. What a joke.
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A REAL fan would be fine with whatever George does with his movies... For all those other losers, just stick to your VHS originals, if that makes you happy! I think its sad that these so-called fans are so stuck in 1977-1983 that they simply can't accept new additions/updates/improvements! Don't worry George, there are still some true fans out there. We've got your back!
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST
I get artists only seeing the flaws in their work, but George, please stop!!
by Mr Nicholas
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRd_vZT6zPY
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Aug. 30, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST
I wish I could say this angers me... but I seriously don't give a damn anymore about SW
by AlexDK
Seriously, I am tired of the franchise. Lucas finally did it, I just don't care anymore.
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I read that they also changed the skeleton you can see while Vader is being shocked to look more like Hayden's. That is all WIN for me.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST
That's OK! There'll just be HD fan-edits with all the GL bullshit taken out. We'll still get OUR Star Wars in HD. Hang in there people!! It Gets Better.
by doober187
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However I also think it doesn't make enough difference to ruin the scene. I suppose there are some people out there who couldn't see the emotion going on inside Vader so maybe this clinches it for them. But on the other hand I do think it was a great scene to begin with I just don't agree this ruins it. Sorry Lucas didn't rape my childhood. I did just remembered something about the first time I watched it that I did think it a little odd that Vader was so quiet during the scene. I'll still buy the blurays.
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Cadê o chicote? Lucas, seu retardado...
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Stand your ground DONT BUY THE BLUE RAYS!!!!
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Cadê o chicote? Lucas, seu retardado...
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST
irc, that is brilliant. Serafinowicz is great there.
by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead
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Whats worse than someone shitting on the movies and their creator? Someone who shits on a fan. You have your opinions, and have every right to voice them, but please don't trash someone who wants to stay dedicated to something they love. And I love walking into unfriendly territory. The scenery is so fascinating.
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with Hayden in old man make up. I can't think of a better way for George to tell all his fans "I love you too!"
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DEAR GEORGE, O.K. THAT'S IT! IT'S OVER! I WAS GOING TO BUY SW ON BLU-RAY......BUT NOW...... I HAVE ALL THE RE-ISSUES...... I TOLERATED ALL THE CHANGES IN THE SE YOU SLIGHTLY RECTIFIED A COUPLE OF ISSUE WITH THE LAST RE-ISSUE (AKA LUKE SCREAMING AS HE FALLS IN EMPIRE)...SO I FORGAVE! BUT THIS.....THIS....I CAN'T CONTINUE TO ALLOW YOU TO FUCK ME UP THE ASS ANYMORE....I CAN'T AFFORD IT! I WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER STARS WARS ITEM EVER....EVER....UNTIL THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY IS RELEASED ON BLU-RAY. FUCK YOU GEORGE LUCAS...FUCK YOU TO HELL! WHOOOS....THANK GOODNESS I DIDN'T PRE-ORDER IT!
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST
Come on, guys, they're his films; he should be able to do whatever he wants to them...
by Laserbrain
and in whatever hole.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST
I'm getting to the point where I'm not blamin Lucas anymore..
by THE_CHOPPAH
But his entourage. His YES men. They need to start hardening the fuck up and take one for the team. Tell him he's an idiot for adding needless shite. This scene is the climax of the entire saga. We know damn well what Vader is thinking. It doesn't need to be telegraphed. This is pretty shitty. On par with him replacing BRING MY SHUTTLE with ALERT MY...it ruins the scene.
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and theres no cgi in it!!!! -yet!!! that should keep him busy for another quarter century.
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His rhyming concept is interesting, but he always repeats the crap parts.
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I always thought his call sounded kind of strange. This does also. Still not a killer situation.
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If it's not, George Lucas must be intitutionalised, for advanced dementia, and unpairement by his mental condition.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST
I will never watch any Star Wars again. Ever. I am so done.
by Jerry Piper
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...he can do whatever he wants to it. Maybe totally get rid of Mark Hamil and CGI Justin Timberlake in as Luke. Background dancers during the light-sabre fights... see, lots to improve on here.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST
Y'know we could teach Lucas a lesson and actually not buy these...
by Purple_Tentacle
But that's just not gonna happen, now is it? We will continue to line his pockets and George will continue to be deluded to the fact that this is indeed exactly what the fans want.
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She is the reason these movies were good. Lucas is a fucking hack. He had the idea, but everyone else held his hand through perfecting it before he thought, okay, I can do it. WRONG.
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These blurays are being locked up super tight until release, even the Critic screening weren't given copies they were only allowed to see some scenes The release is still 2 and a half weeks away so they havn't even shipped yet, these are obviously fake
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Sounds a little orca-ish to me.
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Because he can. That is, there is nothing you can do to stop him and I bet doing garbage like this feels real good, like some other activity I bet Lucas is proficient at. Moreover, I think part of him (likely a large part of him) hates Star Wars and certainly hates its fans. It may be something like what Bill Murray apparently feels: If only I hadn't done (Ghostbusters/Star Wars), I would be known as a great (actor/director), instead of just the (Ghostbusters/Star Wars) jerk. Now that's all I will be known for. Ever. Thanks guys, so eat this, fuckers.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST
I hope they do change that dragon's voice. It just sounds like it's saying 'warren' over and over.
by Tristan
True - just listen. war-REN! war-REN!
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http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/81478852/ Hahahaha.....I'd buy that for a dollar!!!!
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This has to be a joke. Darth Vader, the silent deathly monolith that he is, actually WAS two characters. When he wasn't talking, and doing bad ass things/horrible things to poeple, you knew he was Darth Vader. You could tell when he was brooding, menacing, and angry without outward vocal emotions. Then he meets Luke, and you start to see the Anakin Skywalker in him coming out. His movements, his head tilts, positioning, all of it. You didn't need voiceover to convey that feeling. You could just "feel" it. A lot of movies nowadays want their heroes or villians to be maskless to show "emotions". What George Lucas has forgotten is that through his old true filmmaking skills he pulled that shit off. That's the magic he lost. This is why that whole NOOOOOOO! in the last trilogy was so douche. The dark side is supposed to not make you give a fuck. It's too bad to see this, and will prevent me from buying these BluRays. He is a smelly asscunt
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http://www.agreeablecomics.com/therack/?p=1251
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Again, this could easily be a fake. If anyone reading this has access to the Star Wars Blus and can clear this up, get in contact.
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All the AICN middle aged Geektards who love these movies made for children and have Star Wars related user names come out of the woodwork all pissed off and hurt because the man they once worshipped is fucking with their precious space opera. I command you fagwads to grow up, drink some manly beverages, and watch Goodfellas, Scarface, and Casino until you love those adult movies more than kids films and move the fuck out of mom's basement.
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At least he didn't change the scream as the Emperor falls. There's still time...
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I quit buying anything Star Wars after Hayden Christensen showed up on my DVD at the end of RotJ. No more movies, video games, books, NOTHING!!! So while this pisses me off to see I'm not surprised. I am surprised that people are still buying this junk after all the changes though. Fucking up Indy with part 4 was the biggest sin of the fat bastard though. People, just stop buying this crap!!!
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WTF ! Just because fucking computers do it doesnt mean EVERYTHING has to do it.
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I mean, that video is obviously not the real thing. But please don't change that scene. For all the hate on it, ROTJ really has the best moments in Star Wars. 1.) Luke starring at Vader's funeral pyre. 2.) Luke attacking Vader when he learns about Leia. 3.) Vader's death 4.) Vader saving Luke and redeeming himself (the fucking point on which the entire series hangs).
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST
I'm a reasonable guy. But, I've just experienced some very unreasonable things.
by Potsy
C'mon, George...are you fucking kidding me? Please let this be a hoax. Unfortunately, my doubt has been trumped by the reality of Lucas' last fifteen years of asinine decision making.
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Seriously, this can't be real. Somebody's fucking around.
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I'll be remuxing and re-authoring my blu-rays to take this shit out. If I'm ambitious enough I might even put back in Boba Fett's correct voice! FU Lucasfilm. I thought this was a joke when I first heard about it. Absolutely atrocious.
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Exactly what I was going to say.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST
Also what was the problem with the original krayt dragon call?
by Ben_Richards_Bomb_Collar
Nothing? I'm usually a SW fanboy that tries to defend the bearded one. But this has even me pissed off.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST
I do like the CGI Yoda, the Episode 1 Yoda was horrible.
by Mandolorian
If he has to play around, add some original deleted scenes. Luke building his saber, the Wampas walking around the base etc. That would be much better in my opinion.
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Instead of adding the "No" to Vader and having Old Man Obi-Wan get himself backdoored by some prison inmates he should've done something to make the Star Wars story more epic.. Like completely trash Episode 1 and remake it with an actual storyline and without the ridiculous Jar Jar; then work on Episode 2 and just let someone else do it for him as he completly lost it in that one also and then recast Skywalker in Episode 3 with an actual actor who's able to have more than a two emotion range.. 'nuff Said bout the kid... And then just remove the whole "Frankenweenie" moment at the end when Vader screams like a bitch while tearing himself off the table.. Lucas as gone way too off to do movies anymore.. just finance them George and let the Professionals do it for you and then take credit and the money... This new "No" add-on just reminds us of the "bleh" moment we all witness when he learned that Padme was dead.. We all went "what the heeeeeeeeeell?..." .. And now this scene is completely ruined... That moment where the Emperor is caught off guard is monumental to the scene, now Vader gives him a scream and the Emperor doesn't even react to it... ?? What he suddenly went deaf? Lucas ... you ruined it with 1 to 3.. now you ruined the rest of it.. thanks.. Ps, I'm with the ones who say "Let's just not buy it...".. I won't ..
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how old are you? I assume you're also staunch supporters of the prequels as well. god you prequel apologists make me fucking sick.
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The audio is clearly taken from other movies..
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It makes it that much more resonant with Revenge of the Sith.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:34 p.m. CST
It sounds almost *exactly* like the "NOOOO" from Episode III
by D.Vader
How the hell is this "Confirmed".
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Utterly destroyed. It was great before, how despite the mask you could still see the turmoil going on inside him. Now he sounds like a geriatric patient who just watched his last meat ball roll off his plate, onto the floor, only to be eaten by the family dog. NOOOOOOOOO!
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When I saw the headline on the main page, "Goddamnit George, no" I already knew this was a article about how Lucas is continually fucking with his movies. That does change some things. I will still watch it. I made some changes myself to Vader's dialogue, but I put in FULL METAL JACKET sounds and it was a whole lot better than this shit.
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Please, God, PLEASE do not let this happen.
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In the movies there is no logical explanation why Emporer is so easily defeated just by being tossed over like such. But in the expanded universe novels, namely Timothy Zahn's 'Heir To The Empire', it is explained that Palpatine was using his awesome control of the force to manipulate his armies in combat... and the second he dies they start putzing around like a bunch of idiot lackies and lose the battle. So there's one possible answer, his force powers were allocated elsewhere mentally and he is suddenly caught off guard by his closest confidant without time to react.
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then Lucas would probably just come over to kick me in the balls and get the job done face to face.
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They're not YOUR movies. You just fucking made them, they actually belong to movie lovers across the world. You could learn a thing or two about the right attitude to have from the other beard. He might not be performing in his prime either, but at least he appreciates his audience.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST
Can I remind everyone of Star Wars Revisted again?
by chronicallydepressedlemming
Seriously, GL can do what the fuck he likes with it now that I have the Revisted versions to watch/look forward to.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST
Star Wars has been and continues to be OVER PEOPLE. Stop buying it!
by Pixelsmack
This is what George did to Star Wars, so we're joining him.
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As far gone as Lucas is, he hasn't lived in a fucking bunker since 2005. He KNOWS the fucking NOOOOOOOOO! didn't play well. He's heard it a million times. He's not fucking stupid enough to cram it back in everybody's face by tossing it into the climactic scene. He's just not. <p> Unless he is, in which case, I'll gladly come back and and eat crow and then blow my brains out.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:40 p.m. CST
"It's fake you asstards..The audio is clearly taken from other movies.."
by SubliminalJones
Yeah, and George "Mr. Cut And Paste" Lucas would never even dream of using such a technique, correct?
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Once handed the controls he continues to fuck it up. He's clueless and talentless. It would be embarassing to discuss film with him in person I am certain.
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It can't get any worse...that "too fat to get on an airplane" FUCK, kevin smith would have Yoda asking Chewbacca for a snowball and Luke making blow job gestures standing behind Leia....FUUUUUUUUUUUCK! George Lucas, you have RAPED MY CHILDHOOD! GO FUCK WITH AMERICAN GRAFFITTI AND STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THE OT! fin.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST
Nothing is confirmed until those DVDs come out, or someone with credibility gets their hands on it
by D.Vader
Way to overreact to what looks and sounds like a fanjob, Nordling.
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We hear it as "Hell" but he's not referring to the Christian version of "Hell." In fact, I've never thought any of the Star Wars characters were speaking "Earth English" at all. Not really, anyway. It's like in the film VALKYRIE. Those characters are supposed to be speaking German, but they're speaking English for the benefit of the audience. So in EMPIRE, Han's not actually saying "Hell" but rather he's making a reference to whatever their version of Hell is called. We just hear it as "Hell" because that is the "Earth English" translation of it.
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Holy shit, George. Are you kidding me?
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:45 p.m. CST
You know what is sad? A lot of fans (the newest usually) will defend him
by KilliK
and try to convince the rest that this change elevates the scene and does not harm it. I dont know about you,but i will never buy the SW movies (and i havent so far) as long as the OT wont see a proper release.He can take the rest special editions and shove them in his fat ass.
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...and don't call me Shirley.
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Just make this the title of every star wars thread from now til eternity on aicn. 'Cept of course you can title them Goddammit, George... NO! Episode 1, Goddammit, George... NO! Episode 2, etc. The guy is nothing but a joke now. Never was a fan of Jedi--but that was one of the few scenes in it that were perfect. Not anymore.
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i dont want to live after seeing these clips.
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This man gave you your precious Star Wars in the first place, and now you talk about him like he just pissed in your eye. Grow the fuck up. You're just pissed cos you know you're gonna buy the Blu anyway. You deserve Lucas' cock in your ass.
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How the fuck can anyone defend this is beyond me.
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this is still all wrong to me. Yes, he wants the "later" episodes to reflect the prequels. Roger, tracking I get it. Yes, I understand what he wanted here, but to me it was always Vader's silent resolve that best portrayed his emotion. Him yelling "NOOOOOO" a la ROTS here is as unnecessary to me as the controversial "Luke crying out" scene added to Empire (which I believe was again later removed).
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At the climax of the film Vader has a change of heart and stops the evil emperor from killing his son Luke. We notice this change of heart because Vader says "no" and then exclaims "no!" again as he throws that evil man to his death. Prior to adding these lines, casual viewers and even hard core fans never understood this weight of this moment in the trilogy. THANKS FOR DUMMING IT DOWN FOR US YOU BEARDED OCD FREAK!
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Plain and simple...folks lets get that trending on Twitter. #GeorgeLucasIsACunt
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST
And Nordling you are absolutely right.The addition of this line
by KilliK
ruins the scene completely.
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Loves the money--and a lot of you fucks are going to keep giving him money no matter what you say--but he resents the movies themselves. That's gotta be the reason, right?
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Jesus,ROTJ was the start of his crap, how does this suddenly ruin the entire franchise???
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Methinks, indeed.
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WHAT THE FUCK LUCAS???
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Totally fucking bullshit, guys. No doubt. Slow it down and listen to it.
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George, you have to realize that you are not solely responsible for what Star Wars was. Joseph Campbell essentially wrote the outline, Ralph McQuarrie designed the imagery, and John Williams brought the whole thing to life. Your greatest triumph was presiding over this wonderful coincidence; you collected the lightning in a bottle. Your greatest fault was thinking you created this phenomenon from nothing, and trying to jam your pudgy fingers back into the bottle again and again. All you showed us, sadly, was that Star Wars wasn't actually yours to destroy.
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His last will and testament. You know those are going to be the permanent changes--and you know there are going to be a shitload of them in there. After he dies--that's it. No more fucking with them, for better or worse.
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What possible reason could there be for adding the extra "no"??
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I can still enjoy Star Wars just as much with these changes. It doesn't change the movie for me. Sacrilege to some, I know, but the only change that ever bothered me was Greedo shooting first. Who gives a shit about this? It doesn't change the emotional resonance of the scene for me whatsoever.
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Fuck You. You are a peace of shit.
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Or some kind of mental affliction. He just CAN'T STOP TINKERING. It's beyond being a perfectionist. It's OCD at least. Shit!
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST
The original STAR WARS trilogy, untouched, is going to become one of the great lost film projects.
by THE_CHOPPAH
Up there with Welles' cut of THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS and the full film of Lon Cheney's LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST
I'VE CHANGED MY MIND. I'M GOING TO KILL YOU INSTEAD AND THROW YOU DOWN A HOLE FORMER MASTER, I'M GOOD AGAIN AND LOVE MY SON
by proevad
If you're going to cater to the terminally stupid George--go all the way, baby.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST
At least Greedo shoots first in the Blu Ray edition...wait...What?
by Gus Van Rant
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU GEORGE LUCAS!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywoUBV_pOiI&feature=related
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Yeah, he's gotta be effing with us. I mean, he doesn't even have an inkling that people made fun of his NOOOO! in Episode III? Christ, one of the worst over the top melodramatic thing in a movie is loudly shouting, "No!"
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A site called "Badass Digest" who downloaded whatever it is everyone else is downloading is sufficient source for "confirmation"?
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Admiration is the emotion farthest from comprehension.
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George Lucas, you are a slimier cunt than Mrs. Jabba the Hut!
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST
RedMediaLetter needs to do a review of the new BR special editions
by KilliK
and explain to the audience,how Lucas achieved the impossible: To turn his masterful OT movies with all these 'inspiring' changes and additions,even worse than his PT movies.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST
Lucas really wants to get his mitts on the rights to CITIZEN KANE.
by THE_CHOPPAH
In his ideal version it'll open with CF Kane muttering: "Noooo ... Rosebud ... my childhood sled ... noooo!" and it'll replace all the old mattes with digital backgrounds and landscapes. Xanadu is going to look really bitching in CG.
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the greedo scene was critical to the arc of han solo but this is more critical to the saga. i remember the original when vader looks back and forth between luke and the emperor and then makes the right choice to gain redemption. this is a joke! a joke!!
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I was all ready to hand over my cash AGAIN for the upgrades/fixes to the OT, however (assuming this is real) these changes just lost you a sale. Nor will I be buying any more of your cash-grab toys for my son. <br><br> And there's no reason to believe they aren't real. I mean, no one believed George was crazy enoigh to add whiney Anakin in at the end of ROTJ, but he did. These changes are minor in comparison. So, I'm quite convinced. <br><br> George, I remember complaining about how Star Trek was oversaturated and that Star Wars would never be like that. Well, congratulations. You've taken the crown of oversaturation. Enjoy.
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Gotta be ...
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Talkback ate everything but the last line of my post. Whatever, I spent way too long thinking about what will be a sucky release I wasn't going to buy anyway.
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I think that actually sounds cool. But the Vader saying "no" thing is TOTALLY jarring.
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I'm convinced at this point that George is taking his classic work of filmic art and turning it into a splatter painting so that when the inevitable REMAKE comes along, the fans will be so disgusted by the original that we actually WELCOME IT. ---- I know I wouldn't mind seeing someone else take a crack at Star Wars, beginning with a remake of Episode 1 and rewriting them all and making 9 movies of it.
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His death will be celebrated like the ending of JEDI, with the masses singing Yub Nub and tearing down statues Only then will we hope to get the original versions.
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Not at all. It used to be cool because an inhuman sound was coming from Obi-Wan, not because it sounded like kids on Halloween night. Bleh! I think I just vomited my entire stomach contents onto my keyboard.
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I always felt that there was something missing from that scene. Vader seemed empty and too quiet when he basically changes the fate of the galaxy. It seemed emotionally empty to me. While I admit that we were all scarred by "NOOOOOOO" from Episode 3, i think this addition is one of the few ones to the trilogy that can work... maybe if it was some dialogue instead.
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Uncle Obi-Wan wants to play Nursie!
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But you won't, cause you're all about the fucking money. Just like Lucas.
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When Vader throws the Emperor to his death, the last thing we hear as he falls is Palpatine screaming, "Han shot fiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrssst..." PAD
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:12 p.m. CST
He's doing this on purpose--he wants to FORCE us into growing up.
by AFriend
The only possible rational reason for sucha a revisionist edit is to kill Star Wars once and for all and force us emotionally stunted fans to grow up. Any other reason lacks reason.
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Stop being a pussy and accept it, he's making the movie better. You need the vocal because vader aint got the visual trigger to put emotion across in that scene. It works end of story.
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What the fuck is wrong with that douchebag?? I can see REMOVING the noooooooo from Sith, but this.... George has to die. Star Wars needs a new caretaker.
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He's just a sick old man. He's purposely trying to ruin things that people love and intends to collect their money for it. Seriously, guys. Don't buy the Blu-ray and don't see RED TAILS. If you guys really want to pay for abuse, find a dominatrix. George Lucas, 1944-1997. R.I.P.
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The changes make the movie better.
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When he said "no" the second time, the little hairs on my arm stood up. Works for me.
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Was he always a dick? Or did he, like a dick, just become a bigger dick over time with manipulation? I remember him ruining another powerful moment in Empire by having Luke going 'AAAAAH!' as he fell down the shaft (another dick reference there) after he gets his hand cut off, in one of the special special special editions. I think its gone now. I always remember that moment as having great power, Luke being willing to stoically end his life rather than submit, and having him scream like a girl was so... Oh, fuck it, who cares...
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Thanks George, I really was struggling with buying the blurays. You did me a real solid. Why in the fuck would you change that scene. It was perfect. PERFECT. You cannot improve perfection. Everything that made Star Wars edgy and cool has been fucked over. Whoever said 80's george would murder 00's George hit the nail on the head.
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GL is battin' .500.
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Am I the only one who thinks this?
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If you couldn't tell that Vader was torn in that scene, that he was genuinely in pain watching his son be electrocuted, then you are either blind or clueless. The editing, the shot selection, the music didn't clue you into that? You need on-the-nose dialogue to telegraph what the fuck is happening? When shit happening in a STAR WARS movie isn't literal enough for you, it might be time to re-evaluate whether you should be an active participant in society and whether you should reproduce. Your post is among the most staggeringly stupid in the history of AICN.
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This is a serious question. What in the unholy fuck is he doing? WHAT IN THE UNHOLY FUCK IS HE DOING!?
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:22 p.m. CST
Surely the version that challenges the audience to put themselves in Vader's shoes at that crucial moment-
by Nerfee
-has more emotional punch. Just more satisfying because it makes you Think like the Villain, and takes you on a little journey. Nice.
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Blu-rau when done right is amazing. There are some bad transfers floating around, especially of older movies where they try to remove grain for some stupid reason but end up making people look like wax figures. The new transfer of Predator is especially bad...But a good transfer is awesome, and the difference is mind boggling when viewed on my 8 foot projector screen.
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Change your frequency settings. 120Hz or moreband everything looks glossy.
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Oh my god, after listening to the Obi-Wan clip, these have got to be fake. If this TRULY is confirmed "fake," then aint-it-cool has just been handed an ass-pounding in poor source research. Still, if those ARE FAKE, they are hilarious!
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...how Lucas has set himself to finding all the very best moments and scenes and beats in the original trilogy - the bits that became truly iconic examples of modern cinema history, because they are perfect little slices of cinema that became a part of the cinematic language of a generation - and he has gradually, systematically, fucked up every single one of them, adding extraneous shit that makes them worse and robs them of their power and undermines everything that made them work so well to begin with. Honestly, at this point I don't know whether Lucas is just truly delusional and has the worst case of cinematic tunnel vision ever, or if he just truly and deeply hates and resents Star Wars and Star Wars fans to such a degree that he just continually tries to sabotage Star Wars bit by bit in the hopes that one day it will finally fall over and die, and the fans will all go away and leave him alone. It's kind of fascinating really...
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That should have went in the BR... Georgie boy, you are trying to get yourself killed...
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:29 p.m. CST
=You need the vocal because vader aint got the visual trigger to put emotion across in that scene.=
by KilliK
But that's the point.He makes the decision in silence,behind the Emperor's back.That's the beauty of Vader's character and appearance,you cant tell what is going on behind that mask. Just compare the two scenes.In the original you dont know what Vader is going to do until the last millisecond when he grabs the Emperor.Until that moment you DONT know what the outcome of the scene will be,and you are left as a viewer in agony until the moment that he grabs the Emperor.That scene is simply terrific. Now watch the altered scene.Vader looks Luke,looks the Emperor and then yells No.BANG.at that precisely moment you know that Vader has changed sides and is going to stop the Emperor.And that is what happens,he walks behind him,he grabs him,etc.But the emotional level in that scene has already been diffused,you are not in agony anymore,you just follow the outcome,you are not surprised by it anymore. That No change is unforgivable,it is as bad as the Greedo shoots first change.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:29 p.m. CST
These are not fake and the changes don't stop there...
by Purple_Tentacle
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9888/r2newshots.jpg
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You think a personal attack on a complete stranger is going to change the fact that George Lucas is right. This change to make the read of the most important part of the movie works much better. You need to calm down and accept that you can't do shit about it. The fact that your wrong is pointless just enjoy it. If you really don't like it, put your money back in your pocket and watch the old ones you have.
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Why? Because I still own versions of the movies that I enjoy; versions that aren't tinkered with. So I'm happy. I'll just continue to ignore all these new revisions/updates. Much easier that way.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST
I almost pissed my pants that Obi-Wan sounds like Liu Kang from MK! Bad choices Lucas Skywalker!
by kbarber29
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Thank you Nordling. You helped me dodge a pricey bullet.
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NOTE: The video is not from the blu-ray, I just synced up the leaked audio clip with existing video.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST
WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T ANYONE AT LUCASFILM TELLS HIM NOOOO?!!!!
by Koji_Kabuto
Oh why oh why!!! Probably, Lucas had to ask the producer, he needed to ask the audio mixer, he needed to ask James Earl Jones agents to put probably other "NOOOOs" recorded for Revenge Of The Sith.... WHY THE FUCKKKK, can't anyone along the FUCKNIG way, say SOMETHING!!!, they are ALL, ALL responsable for letting something like this happen. Fuck everyone at Lucas Film not just the MAN himself. I am done...
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST
I don't think anyone is *seriously* defending this decision (if its real)
by D.Vader
At least not anyone with any real intelligence. They're just messing around.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST
This is what happens when you have unlimited funds and ppl keep buying your shit
by alienindisguise
The only thing "fun" about a star wars home release is wondering how much more fucked up each one will get.
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what more is there to say really?
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Didnt they notice that the rock actually blocks the whole cave entrance,and that it wouldnt have been impossible for R2D2 to be therebecause he is too big for the small passage to enter?? Didnt they notice that by adding that cgi rock,they actually ruined the scene by creating a plothole??? ARE THEY FUCKING RETARDED????????????
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You guys have noticed that if you go to the youtube page and watch this video there the person who uploaded it says he made it and it's totally fake. Maybe you should check that out, and maybe major movie sites shouldn't link to stuff like this and causes an uproar without properly checking first.
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Yoda can levitate a space-fighter (full of water!) out of a Dagobah swamp but the Emperor can't lift his own skinny ass out of a Death Star crawl space? Why didn't Yoda just beat the Emperor unconscious with an x-wing and declare himself King of Far Far Away?
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The number of views. AICN never gets things first anymore. BULLSHIT.
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... to show the kids and grandkids what Star Wars USED to be.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST
The more I listen to them, the more I'm convinced they're fake.
by Clavius
Plus, there is NO definitive info on either of the actual YouTube pages to indicate they're genuine. They both say SUPPOSED Blu-Ray clips and they were cobbled together from "leaked" audio which means it could be from anywhere. AICN really needs to do some fact checking before breaking into Chicken Little mode.
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Who the fuck cares if Vader says no or not? It doesn't change the movie for me. I still enjoy it. As a Boba Fett fan I've had to deal with him yelling like a bitch before he dies for my whole life. Guess what? I still like SW.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:46 p.m. CST
Yes, the clip is synced up. A reader at io9 cooked it up for them
by THE_CHOPPAH
by taking the audio clip purportedly from the Blu Ray and matching it with the original footage.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST
"Nooo...George; Noooooo!!!" Screamed Melanie from the editing room...
by conspiracy
God how I hate them...hate them more than that cunt Marcia, more than that fucking prick Kurtz. It's those costume wearing FUCKS that destroyed my life...took the creatively from my soul.." George stopped and snorted a hard hit from a small silver vile hung round his jiggling waddle, "...this will be the final nail Rick, finally end it ll right here....it's something Steven said I should have done years ago...like he did with Indy
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BRrip of pussy Vader: http://www.mediafire.com/?44mhw5qxc766x7z BRrip of creepy blinking Ewok eyes: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3K4CLWW4
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It says a lot about Lucas these days that people actually believed these were real. If you follow the links through to YouTube the descriptions say they are not from the upcoming BluRay releases, as others have pointed out. But for a moment I thought that old GL may have done it and I was laughing at how painful it was. The Krayt dragon howl made me laugh out loud.
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But this is just comical now. Keep at it Lucas. Keep the lols coming. I'll just wait for an unfuckified fan edit.
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You nerdy fucks need to get consistant. Aren't you the same fucks that hate on ROTJ anyway? So fucking what Lucas adds shit to HIS movies, fuck you ass clowns. Don't buy the fucking blu-rays if it bothers you so much geez. I'm tired of you fucks complaining about Mr. George Lucas, fuck you bitchmade assholes, go suck James Cameron or Chris Nolans dicks if you don't like Lucas anymore. I for one could give a fuck what he does with his movies, I know if it's THAT important i could always pull out the VHS. Get a life!!!!!
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Fucking NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST
Can someone whip up a fan edit using Mel Gibson's 'GIVE ME BACK MY SON!' from RANSOM instead of the NOOOOOO?
by THE_CHOPPAH
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Been tampered with, which s truly the best film of all time
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST
I can't believe he's paying people to come into this talkback
by CherryValance
and defend him. But he must be. There is no way any actual human beings would try to justify this shit. He's such a fucking control freak that I guess it makes perfect sense. He can't even let us bitch about it, without trying to tinker with it. Go choke on some flannel, you sick fuck, and take your plants with you.
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lol love to see that.
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Please, God, if you are up there, please stop George from destroying the most pivotal scene in the trilogy. Amen
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There's a typo in your comments. Lessens the point you're trying to make. Sorry.
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My comment had clean content critical of the site removed from it.
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That "Nooooo" is pulled straight from Revenge of the Sith isn't it?
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Preview copies have gone out and multiple people have confirmed it. Also, torrents are already showing up on the internets.
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A shockingly poorly executed (not to mention needless) pan job: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoOsNnsfsk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL Lucas must really be bored these days...
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Wait, wait this is how I really wanted it to be....rosebud... he dies...
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Wait, wait this is how I really wanted it to be....rosebud... he dies...
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Wait, wait this is how I really wanted it to be....rosebud... he dies...
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I hope someone at Lucasfilm sees this talkback, and puts a stop to this. (Maybe we'll luck out... and it's fake!) This just ensured I won't be buying the Blu-Rays, and I had been tempted to, for the behind-the-scenes stuff. Not anymore. His own close friend, Spielberg, has figured it out. He was asked which version of E.T. he'd prefer people to see. (The original, or the "special edition" with the extra effects) He said, "The original." Because he knows that's the one people fell in love with. And it's the one MORE people can fall in love with... but making constant changes to it won't make more people fall in love with it. It only angers the original people that were in love with it... and the new people say, "What the hell is this crap?" Now I really need to find a VCR... so I can watch my original VHS, non-altered original versions. They're the only videotapes I have left, in the special hologram cover, limited edition letterbox set. (With an actual... lettered box.)
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5 paragraphs of pure Lucas hate wrapped in filthy dialog and allusions to drugs, sex, and homoerotic animatronic lust. My Work..Gone...GONE! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck this
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Lucasflim just lost my $$$ and yes I was going to buy the Blu rays. I will keep the DVD's and watch the extras on youtube down the road. I am speechless.
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it is a life saver for this kind of situations.it supports all the browsers.
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...the Red Letter Media dude is laughing all the way to the bank, making more money than the US GDP on the ever reliable predictability of fanboy ire. Get a grip, people. This is how religious fundamentalism began.
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He will re edit these in 5 years and release another "definitive" set and not have the scream, much like the Luke scream while falling in Bespin in the 97 SE and was back to normal in the 04 DVD release.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST
Personally...given Georges skill with dialog and clueless ethnic sensitivies
by conspiracy
I can't WAIT to see the script or Red Tails. He may not have written it...but you KNOW he went in and made "Improvements" after the fact.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST
Hey Brother Choppah...When is the next round of "Anal or No Anal"?
by conspiracy
I love that fucking discussion.
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Please join!!!!
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST
Raiders hasn't been fucked with because Speilberg knows...
by Purple_Tentacle
those films don't belong to him anymore. They belong to the world. They created the character and the story, but they exist on their own terms now. They created something greater than just a film. If Lucas had the same sentiment, the same would be said of these films. Unfortunately any credibility, respectability and grandeur these films ever had is constantly being whittled away. They really are a joke, and I'm embarrassed to have once called myself a fan.
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I'm thinking tomorrow for the next installment.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST
Although it's clear who's taking it in the Dagobah System today.
by THE_CHOPPAH
STAR WARS fans.
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Lucas must be the funniest motherfucker behind closed doors, punking all the Star Wars fans with his stoned cronies.
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Darth Vader was one of the coolest, baddest characters in cinema history. Who destroys that? Who makes three entire movies whose sole purpose is to destroy your greatest creation within your greatest achievement? Making Vader moo at the end of 'Sith' wasn't enough apparently. Lucas actually had to sully the actual Moment of Redemption for Vader. Shit, dude. I really wanted those Blu-rays.
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You know posting here and saying "you nerds"... You do know what posting here makes you right? A lot of self hatred there.
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although I usually don't like saving anything..., I will look into it.
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They're both so amateurish. Have to be fakes. Right? Right?
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Waaaaaa..... Lucas keeps raping and re-raping my childhood memories!!! All you crybaby pussies probably already put your pre-orders in with Amazon. The ONLY change I REALLY don't care for in the OT is Han shooting first, but really, who gives a shit? They're Lucas's movies, he can do what he wants.
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and whoever inherits his estate can start repairing the damage this incompetent old fart has done to the accidental masterpiece he stumbled ass-backwards into making.
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The first time - first show, opening day. I only had to stand in line for 6 hours, and I hid from the news crews, due to the freaks in line with me. One of the MOST dramatic moments of the film? Vader's SILENT decision to save his son. It is powerful. No comment necessary. TO ADD THIS IDIOTIC SCREECH? God, was that "Noooooooo" not bad enough in Episode 3?????? Everybody bitched about it, so Lucas gives us the finger. And that "girl squeal" added to "Star Wars" (sorry, old school, here)?????? WHAT. THE. FUCK. I am NOT a bitcher about Lucas, and his masturbatory editing practices. But, again....WHAT. THE FUCK.
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I like the changes, I'll be buying them on BR.
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1926919772609&set=vb.1230605332&type=2&permPage=1
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They don't need to blink. Who says that they even need eyelids? They're a fake fucking species. Their eyes could be naturally constantly appropriately moist. Or they could have glass eyes and twizzlers for veins. They don't have to act like humans. It's a galaxy far far away, not fuckin' Detroit. It's called imagination. We still have it. Sorry you don't, asshat. Make everything literal why don't you? Show Yoda and the Emperor going to Walmart to stock up on glow in the dark silly string and sticking the cans up their sleeves, so we won't actually believe in something like Force lightning.
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NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-t real. You guys all pooped for nothing!
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One of the finest posts of the night. "Glass eyes and twizzlers for veins" Fucking Gold
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:28 p.m. CST
You know, sometimes I think I'm done with Star Wars entirely...
by PopcornJockey
...and then I see a smidgeon of the original, untouched trilogy. A scene or two. And I think, wow. That is actually all kinds of fantastic. Sure, I've got nostalgia on my side. But the acting, the atmosphere, the dialogue, the design--it's all really beautiful, cohesive, and just hits on all cylinders. George Lucas is an idiot. If he released a clean-up copy of the original versions, he would sell (let me get my calculator out) seven-point-five kajillion dollars worth of Blu-rays. That's kajillions we're talking about here. He could end world hunger, build an elevator to the moon, and still have enough money leftover to pay for all of our mind-wiping procedures, to rid us of the awful memory of what he did after completing ROTJ the first time around. George Lucas... is an idiot. Idiot. Idiot.
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-- can fuck right the hell off, George Lucas.
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Shove it up your tweener asses.
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It is shit like this that makes this site the chaotic, half assed hilarious place it can be. Rant away fuckers...it is much more fun that talking bout the minutia of Supermans missing thong ad nauseum.
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Everything can be fixed with cgi
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...they are his movies...you are a consumer with the right to choose, don't like it? Eat a dick (or just refrain from purchasing the set).
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The fact that so many people can see this as a plausible, might-actually-be-happening thing... That right there speaks as much about what Lucas has done to this reputation as it does to the IQ's of the good (and, in some cases, retarded) people here.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:32 p.m. CST
Can't wait till George replaces Sire Alec with CGI Aged McGregor
by conspiracy
You KNOW it will happen...
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--wouldn't the better choice have been to remove the Episode III "NOOOOOOOO!" and have these two moments for Vader unfold as internal and silent? The silent acceptance of his choices and his fate in Episode III, paralleled by his rejection of what he has become in Episode VI. (Pardon my armchair editing.)
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I read the original article. Faraci is lying. The leak doesn't come from a guy with a preview copy of the film it comes from a torrent of the Original Trilogy. So Faraci's "source" either downloaded the torrent file illegally or Faraci himself did and doesn't want to own up to it. For the record, the story first broke on MillenniumFalcon.com
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Thanks. lol You really don't have the rest of your post? Sounded like a good one.
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People that already are apoplectic over the existing ('97) changes, and vowing to not support releases of those versions, are now bitching about these changes too? So you were mad already but not you're more mad? Gotta admire the principled stand these I'm not gonna take it anymore types take.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:36 p.m. CST
If these edits turn out to be real, then AICN should impose a one-month ban of all SW news.
by jawsfan
AICN is regarded in the film industry as a fairly accurate barometer of how certain fans will or won't react to new product. I say that AICN should cease and desist from all SW-related news and talkback options. Impose a voluntary media blackout. Maybe even post a banner that says "Until George stops fucking around with the OT, AICN will not participate in any discussions that might stimulate interest in or sales of his products, to include all SW and IJ films."
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I write them as I see the post...in about 15 minutes, no saves, no edits bad spelling and all Never was an issue on the old stable TB...this new one? Fuck it...
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...what we're seeing is the internet's penchant for hyperbole. 99.9% of the commentators on this article will be buying the BluRays on day one.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:38 p.m. CST
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8223/sebulbaroj.jpg
by Purple_Tentacle
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...whatever. If that changed, I'd be miffed. But this? I don't care much.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZHu7TLOuL8
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George, entirely CGI-out Leia's slavegirl outfit in ROTJ. Upwards of 95% of the people complaining here will go silent as the grave and just snap up a copy without protest. I mean, it's not like you've got any shame.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:40 p.m. CST
I should have saved it though...the description of Rick McCallum..
by conspiracy
kissing Georges "Erect Yoda" Diamond and ruby ring as he strokes his sweaty back in the editing room is some imagery that deserves it's place in the sun.
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STFU and give that man your money!
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I think Mr. nerd rage has given us our parting shot. Let's go get some coffee and a danish.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:43 p.m. CST
popcornjockey...If he gives her a circa 1982 Bush I'm in...
by conspiracy
God Knows Carrie had a groomed thatch that would hold JUST the right amount of blow in her course, yet silky, strands.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:43 p.m. CST
Lucas does have the right to change his films. They are his. Just like I have the right to...
by Brock
Not spend my $ on this. That will be my decision. Seriously though, AICN needs to get a confirmation on this.
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Please tell me they fixed the green lightsaber in ANH. Someone on the blu-ray.com message board is reporting that they did not.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST
re: WHY DIDN'T HE JUST FLY/LEAP AWAY WHEN VADER THREW HIM?
by obi_juan
Because his midichlorians were tired.
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no one wants to see your man boobs while Vader says Noooooo
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:46 p.m. CST
this is cool, give's it a lil more passion. now if he did what starwarsredux said, ok you gotta kick it now.
by NorthTronic
i ain't buying this anyway i'm cool with my OG trilogy on VHS!!!....;)
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I can´t imagine anyone here, meeting the actual George in person, saying in his face anything remotely close to these rants... I would say something less agrrrrrressive (but, maybe, more annoying, fanboy style!), something like that: "Hey man, thanks a lot for the original trilogy. The new one is not the same, but it was ok. Much much better than any shitty remake, of course. Oh, BTW, let that bald dude from Lost write some shit for your TV show. And the guy who created "Wonderfalls" and "Dead Like Me". And the fella from "BSG" and "Caprica". And the chump who writes X-Factor for Marvel. And let the dude from "Iron Giant" write and direct an episode about a Droid, a Dog and a Detective ("The 3D Episode", heh). Oh, I was almost forgetting, let the mate from "Scott Pilgrim" direct a episode with a new special character: "Shaun Skywalker, DC (the Distant Cousin)". Remember, George. Diversity - plus talent - is the key, man. Thanks, dude!"
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:48 p.m. CST
And the box "art" is absolute dog shit so none of this is a surprise.
by alienindisguise
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:49 p.m. CST
by the way....you guys are trippin' over some bullshitery.
by NorthTronic
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After those shitty Video Game looking trailers maybe Lucas Film wised up and went back to Formula?
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And yeah the scream was fine as it was. Eventually Lucas will die, they'll release the original trilogy in the latest format. We'll also see a film sequel set some time after ROTJ. All the things Lucas doesn't want but the fans do.
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The youtube video says "this is video I synced up with the leaked audio" Those "No"s were taken from Empire "No, I am your father" and the 2nd one taken from Episode III's stupid ending... of course we saw Lucas borrow audio from other movies before. I will be extremely sad if this is legit. It's the pinnacle scene of the series. If this is Real, Lucas needs to check into an institution before he hurts someone
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...if I, or anyone on the planet, could approach George Lucas on the street, and he had the audacity to hold out his hand and say "Hi, I'm George Lucas"... I would, without reservation, leave him hanging. And tell him he's an idiot. I might spell it, slowly, so's to savor the word better... *sigh* Boy that's a nice fantasy to end the night on...
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Aug. 30, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST
It's bad enough he replaced Sebastian Shaw at the end of Jedi...
by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST
But this is like being raped up the ass, then forced to drink it out with a long straw! I fucking hope these are fan made!
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george lucas is so fucking stupid
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I used to believe the SE we're okay, back in '97 any way. But this has officialy crossed the line.
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... And your evidence that it is fake is that the guy who made it says he just synced up audio with video... Well, you are half right. That video is NOT from the Blu-Ray. But you're ignoring one critical point- the supposed "leaked audio". So we've got idiots on one hand yelling and screaming like a chicken with its head cut off about how poor the video is and how crappy the sound is... ... Then we've got another group of idiots who are like "yes, its obviously fake, someone made it!" who ignore the "leaked audio". The real issue to be focused on is the "leaked audio", and in my opinion, that is fake too. The first "No" sounds like it came from right before he says "I am your father." And obviously the second came from the infamous Ep.III scream.
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Do it for 2for2true!
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You know the thought has crossed Lucas's mind. Oh, the changes he could make to Raiders, Temple, and Last Crusade. Oh, but not Crystal Skull! That's perfect just the way it is! I wonder if the only thing stopping George from raping Indy's adventures the way he does to Skywalker's is a man named Steven.
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OMFG those clips were horribly funny. Why George? Why??
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http://forum.blu-ray.com/5139284-post987.html ...and here... http://millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=9032 ...and then see if you still think this is fake.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 11:05 p.m. CST
Totally agree with Nording. I always loved it that Vader said nothing before he saved Luke
by DrPain
Even though he was wearing a mask, you can somehow see his pain and turmoil.
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You act like the Kardashians finding out that Gucci is being sold at Target. You've proven that you have memories. Use them to remember things the way you liked them. Little things didn't make Star Wars great for me... Han and Chewie and lightsabers and gold bikinis did.
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The real issue to be focused on is the "leaked audio", and in my opinion, that is fake too. The first "No" sounds like it came from right before he says "I am your father." And obviously the second came from the infamous Ep.III scream.
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He's proven at least twice now that he has no idea why scenes or characters worked in the original films, and has repeatedly messed with them, negating whatever resonance or dramatic punch they once had. He will continue to do this as long as he is alive and as long as (many of) you keep paying him for it by buying the newest releases of these things. Just stop enabling him... I promise you, you do not "need" to own these new discs. If changes like this bother you, buying in will only bring you repeated disappointment in the long run and you know it.
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check this. http://bit.ly/i0QqXN
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Aug. 30, 2011, 11:14 p.m. CST
I'm 41 years old. I saw the movies in the theater as a child. My memories have not been raped.
by googamooga
As I've said before, Han shooting first is ass, but it's a two second scene, who gives a shit? As for the Vader "No!", it still seems fake to me since it sounds exactly like the one in Revenge of the Sith. Bottom line is I see my kids enjoying the updated originals and the more recent movies the way I enjoyed them the first time. You turd burglars are so worried about 30 or40 seconds of updated material, let it go. I for one will be buying the blurays. Here's hoping Peter Jackson updates LOTR in 20 years and changes Frodo to a girl...
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Time to cut my wiener off.
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It's gotta be a joke. Not only is it A) hokey, but B) the inflections - especially the first 'no' -are so wrong.
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explain why the Vader clip is HORRIBLY out of sync EXCEPT for those inserted "NO"s?
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Of course it is a change for the worse. Lucas likes to spell stuff out bluntly because he is a terrible writer, has no sense of what appropriate dialogue is, or how real human being emotions work. He thinks Vader's disapproval of what's happening needs to be stated aloud, never realizing just how POWERFUL the silence was in the original version, and how in character it is with Darth Vader. Great idea man, one of the best ever... but and absolutely terrible writer, with no sense of how people or emotions work.
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Your comment about changing the 3D bd release to "NOOOOOOooo I'm FALLLLINNGGGG HELP ME" totally made my night. For some reason I just laughed so hard when I saw that, then I scrolled back and started laughing again, and then again. It just kept happening every time I read it :)
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you write your post and if you lose it,you click a button and you get it back as it was.there is no intrusion from the addon,it automatically saves all your texts while you write them.and you can also tell it how often you want to empty its database of saved texts.try it you wont regret it.
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And if "little things" don't "make" movies for you, then perhaps you SHOULD be watching reality TV.
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Looks like you were trying to quote me there and it erased all of your post! Stupid AICN. You think they would have fixed this shit by now, or at least put up a warning at the top of every TB and tell people how to do it. So damn amateur. Anyway buddy, if you want to quote someone in the body of your text, you *have* to write your own text before you use the "" marks. If you start off any sentence with "", the code will automatically delete the ""s and it will erase *everything* else you wrote that didn't exist within the quotations. In effect, it leaves you with a body of text that looks like its your original thought, but in reality is the quotation. So for the record, always start a quote like this: You said "INSERT QUOTE HERE"
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But there has been so much fucking around by Lucas, that nothing is beyond belief...
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That is, indeed, a perfect moment in the original film. Now apparently ruined. Jedi does have a lot of faults, but it is what it is. Now made even worse... again. Lucas, the ultimate hypocrite in the world of film: He champions preservation and restoration for older classic films, while simultaneously ruining his own and keeping the historical classic versions from people's hands. What a jerk.
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Ewoks with human looking eyes is damn creepy! As for the Vader audio, yes I still think that is fake. It sounds terrible.
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We've fucking been through this. The original youtube upload was the BR audio laid over DVD video. Here's the scene direct from BR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmW3JsRXBG8 Here are the creepy ewok eyes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRejStaN3q4 Here is Sebulba in ROTJ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlYNYb0ExAs It's real ffs.
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THose "NO"s are on the soundboard on starwars.com that could have been tweaked
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and then he dies.
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Word.
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Let me explain. You ever get so sick of someone that you stop talking to them? Just move on with your life. But somehow, as much as you've made it clear that you want nothing more to do with them they keep making you deal with their shit. Like you have mutual friends, or they work with one of your relatives. So as much as you've tried to walk on, they still infiltrate your life. They say something to someone or do something that they know will get back to you. Something that you cannot ignore. Something that will burn you up and nearly make you have a stroke. That's what Lucas does to us. We said 'okay, no more'. Many times. But we said that when there was no such thing as Blu-ray (or maybe it was brand new). People, now, want to update their libraries with the prettiest version of their favorite movies that they can. So as much as they want to keep their vow to never give Lucas another dollar of their money, they cave in. He knows they will. He knows most of us won't be able to resist the technological upgrade. It's a nerd thing, and he understands. Understands it so well that he also can't resist the opportunity to upgrade our outrage and anger. He can't resist telling us to fuck off, once more. Because he hates us. He always has and always will. So he keeps tempting us with a cleaner crisper version of a movie that we remember loving and special features we've never seen before, and then fucks us in the ass with another altered version that he knows we will hate. It's a version of nostalgia waterboarding. And it's the torture that we are reacting to. He knows he's doing it and he's enjoying it. And we're reacting to the fact that he just can't leave us in peace with our old movie. He has to keep fucking with us. He's the one who won't let us go. Honestly, I never intended to buy it. I barely buy DVDs at all anymore and don't even have a Blu-ray player. I'm waiting for the next thing if there even is one. I'm not buying anything multiple times anymore. He actually taught me what a waste that is. I'm just incredibly pissed that he thinks he can continue to fuck with these films, and consequently their fans. Because you know, when I heard this shit was coming out on Blu-ray, the thought actually crossed my mine. 'Gee, maybe I should buy a Blu-ray player.' Just because of this release. I quickly snapped out of it, but he's able to do this because of our love for those movies. He gets you to do things you don't want to do. He knows it and he uses it. To line his pockets and insult us one more time. And that's what makes him evil. But he also programmed us long ago to think that there still may be some good in him. If there's any hope of saving him, we must face him. ftr, I threw a similar fit when Coppola changed all the music on THE OUTSIDERS. I went to see it in the theater, not realizing he'd changed it and I swear to you, I cried. And then the next day I went and bought 3 copies of the original out of the $5 bin.
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The changes make the movie better.
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It actually sounded like that damn bird that chick flew around on in Heavy Metal. The spooky level of reverence from The "purists" here is also slightly humorous if a little unnerving. And if Vader's "noooos" bother you so much than just cover your ears for the few seconds it occurs and pretend it's not there. And if that still isn't enough just go to amazon and order the theatrical versions. I found them in like 10 seconds there separately and in a bundle trilogy set.
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I actually think the ewok eyes are well done and less creepy than the lifeless dark orbs of the original, but I still oppose this tinkering on principle, especially as Lucas does not make the unaltered originals available and considers these a permanent replacement. The main problem with that scene of course is that it exists. "Fixing" it would mean cutting it from the film so the audience isn't a step or three ahead of Luke and Han in knowing that Leia is safe. It's called "dramatic tension", something sorely lacking in that entire section of the movie, as our heroes search for Leia and discover the ewoks. (But I don't advocate that change either. The mistake was made in 1983 or earlier, and is a part of film history now.)
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Get the fanbase all riled up, and then sell the "restored originals" at a super premium.
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I would not be surprised if the new discs have the color correction problems, since the version with those problems was intentionally done that way and approved by Lucas. Those movies are a mess, technically, and it is all by his own intentional choice. I have no idea why he made those choices, but he did... and no one close to him seems to have the balls to challenge him. They are HIS movies after all...
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Aug. 30, 2011, 11:39 p.m. CST
CHECK POINT : STILL NO DISH ON THE FALCON'S MOS EISLEY REVEAL?
by justmyluck
This is what I would call just one loving fix, maybe even an essential fix, which was passed on for the 'special editions' while prequel continuity dicking-arounds-with held GL's attention fast. Can anyone confirm if the Millennium Falcon's dish is still missing while parked at Mos Eisley on the STAR WARS Blu-ray? No? Okay, yep, that's the man who buried my childhood love. Do yourself a favor and spend that $80 you've set aside for SW Blu-rays on Criterion's ORPHEUS or LA BELLE ET LA BETTE, or Kino's STRIKE or METROPOLIS, or just something ELSE. Because unless the SW fan base KICKS THIS MORONINC FUCKING AROUND TO THE CURB, Lucasfilm will never listen. No sale!
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Aug. 30, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST
This is going to end up being fake, and you guys are going to end up feeling very foolish...
by Playkins
.... by God, I hope so....
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...here in The Netherlands. I didn't buy them because they were non anamorphic and dolby stereo. But i'll be buying them now. I'll probably pick the Blu rays up when they're closer to the bargain bin.
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Luke says that line on the docking bay bridge on Endor before being escorted to the shuttle to be taken to the Emperor. Vader is then left to silently reflect, walking over to the railing on the bridge for a few moments. That is one of my favorite moments in the original trilogy and it always made a nice connection to Vader's (heretofore) silent glances at the Emperor and Luke before throwing the Emperor over the rail. I always loved those ROTJ moments from Vader (and David Prowse). Oh well.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 11:53 p.m. CST
So he can add all kinds of annoying mythos destroying shit, but he still can't get rid of the smudges on Vader's helmet?
by Crooooooow
The man's got more fingerprints on him than Paris Hilton!
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Aug. 30, 2011, 11:53 p.m. CST
AICN doesn't care if this is fake or not, they just want the traffic!
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
Star Wars + Nerd Rage X Raped my Childhood = TALKBACKS/HITS/AD REVENUE!!!
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I have a friend who reviews DVDs for national magazines and he says there's another change in the Blu-Ray that is so bad it will make the NOOOOO part seem like nothing. He can't say what it is due to an NDA. I can't say I'm not intrigued.
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WELL HERE'S A BIG BAG OF ROCK SALT
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When you struggle, when you suffer or when you are hungry to prove something you make the best art. This is true of song writers, painters, sculptors, singers, filmmakers, etc. George Lucas lost his ability to create art years ago. Sure, as one of the talkbackers said - it is his art to do with as he pleases... but it was successful because of the fans that were amazed, intrigued and enamored of his work... why disrespect that? I agree with one of the earlier talkbackers who said George is no longer someone who people will be honest with... they are all simply telling him he is awesome, when they should be telling him he is ruining something precious. He was never a great writer, but he was once a great story teller... now he has lost that too.
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Where Lucas tinkers endlessly with these films much to the chagrin of every would be foul-breathed shit smelling generation Y asshole. I'm not being facetious either, I shit you not, it teases my scrotum every solitary time new changes are announced to these movies and the resulting , resounding bemoaning of shitheads commences incessantly. Bravo George you neckless turd boy, get these frothing fat kids good, get them. Alter these fucking films to your hearts content and squeeze the carbs right out of the fat God damn necks of these turd mongers that frequent these message boards. Bless you george. Bless you for blowing shit in the general direction of these assholes, Sir chin, I salute you.
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Maybe Lucas will add a cut scene where some blind stormtrooper is looking for his helmet, in the helmet room of course, and Vader accidentally walks in the door and the blind guy thinks he's another helmet. That would not only add a missing but necessary bit of comic relief to ANH, that none of us realized we needed, but also explain all those darned fingerprints. *cues canned laughter*
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Is. This. Shit. Why? Well there's a SW set I'm never going to own. The series gets worse each time George "polishes" it up. Honestly. Stop. Please. Do it for the children who will have to watch this in the future.
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it delights me splendidly
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There was a time, in the run-up to Phantom Menace, when the promise was still alive. Greedo had already fired the shot heard round the world, but who really cared at that point? There was new SW on the way! Theforce.net was a daily habit for about 2 years. Then the films came out, one after the other, and after their initial glows wore off, I had to admit I found them all disappointing. They had their moments, but overall: No. Now this. I think it is time for George to look inside himself and see that he has a few years left to tell stories. He says he loves to tell them. But if this "NOOO" stuff shows anything it that he's a skipping record. Can he learn that you can't sweeten sugar? I dunno. Red Tails looks like SW 1-3 (lame dialogue, sweet dogfights). Like it was all he could muster after 30 years of skipping. I feel bad for him. How have the mighty fallen. But it's not too late! George: Make Dune. You know you want to. Think about it. This way you don't have to write any dialogue.
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let it go bitches.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 12:11 a.m. CST
And bring your fucking freak MMA daughter with you! I'll kick her ass too. I kick ass ALL THE TIME, you fatherless faggot!
by AzulTool
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Aug. 31, 2011, 12:13 a.m. CST
Laser discs, check. Torranted 1080p transfers sans new changes, check.
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Fuck you Lucas not a single dime will come out of my pocket into your coffers ever again. I also have nice HD3D converted by fan copies of the originals so fuck you 3 times Lucas.
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Hold onto those 2-pack DVDs with the OT laserdisc masters, it's the best we're going to get. I say this because the SW web-site has stated Lucas wants a 'seamless viewing experience' from the prequels to the OT. Since the prequels are seamlessly shitty, the OT will be made gradually shittier. This eventuality is confirmed yet again. http://tinyurl.com/3fexsym
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im still laughing at that obiwan dragon call,lol so now R2 hides behind some cgi rocks,vader says no,and lukes father please has been removed.cgi ewok eyes,saber on falcon still not fixed,its sad to say but star wars trully is over,finished forget it.i was thinking buying the blue rays,but this is just too much.george lucas thanks for creating star wars,then u should have stepped away back in 77.reboot star wars.fuck u george lucas.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 12:21 a.m. CST
You real life asshole. I'm the dude in prison who is going to buttfuck you in the ass! (it always gets gay).
by AzulTool
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Well, we dodged a bullet there.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 12:25 a.m. CST
Your source is a Youtube clip? wtf..... TMZ does better fact checking than you guys
by mistergreen
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Aug. 31, 2011, 12:29 a.m. CST
Ahh, honestly, I think it's a hoax too. Heehee. NOOOOO! Lucas is an ASSHOOOOOLLLE!!!
by AzulTool
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Always late to the party, always scooped,always reporting a story after it's been reported elsewhere first, and three days earlier. The owner can't conjugate a sentence properly, and the journalism is poorly researched, and vetted before it's published. Dark Horizons all the way baby!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST
Didn't this fraud, this flaccid, flannel-clad bearded-manatee almost have a heart attack during SW filming. Why didn't Jesus finish the job on that rat motherfucker?
by AzulTool
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Perfect and no alternations.
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the scene of vader contemplating in silence was one of them. when I saw it opening day in 1983, everyone was screaming at him to save Luke and when he did we erupted in applause and cheers. And he did it in silence. The writing, acting, and filming of that moment were great. GEORGE ARE YOU LISTENING: IT DOES NOT NEED ANY SOUND. NONE. PLEASE REMOVE IT !!!! AND BEN'S SCREAM, WTF IT WAS FIND BEFORE, ALBEIT DIDN'T SOUND HUMAN, THIS SOUND SOUNDS LIKE A PERSON MAKING IT, BUT really, enough's enough !!!!
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If you think this is bad, wait until you see next month's edits. The September 2011 editions are even worse! ...but for all of you who are still loving this garbage, be sure and sign up for the new "Pay as you go" membership plan. New editions will be sent to you every month! Cancel any time you want, for a small cancellation fee, and send back any unwanted versions for a partial refund! This deal can't be beat! Call now and receive a free Jar Jar Binks dildo to pump yourself with while you watch your favorite childhood memories get raped at the same time!
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for the first time in 12 years. I was actually fucking excited.
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The original trilogy doesn't hold up. It was great when we were kids but as an adult they are pretty bad.
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Let Georgie Porgie tinker with his childrens films all he likes. Real life awaits us...
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Honestly? I can't really work up any emotions over this "noooo" nonsense. Or over any of the other changes that Lucas plans to make. That's because for years and years and years and years...far longer than I care to remember at this point...Lucas has taken a TOTAL SHIT over the SW property. Sure, there was a time when it was the greatest geekiest thing ever. There was a time when it felt "cool" to be a die-hard fan of the franchise and to follow it. Hell, I was even willing to forgive Lucas a teeny tiny bit for pimping certain stuff into the marketplace, so he could fund his operations. I was willing to look the other way on SOME things. But then came the prequels, which showed that Lucas had just lost it. Because -- let's face it -- they were absolute CRAPTACULAR pieces of garbage. And they showed that so much of the original trilogy's success was due to OTHER people -- and NOT George -- who had put their own blood, sweat, tears and creative energy into the films. FUCK YOU, George. You have your money, but you won't be getting any of mine in the future. I still have my original laserdiscs and the DVDs, and they will do just fine for me. I don't plan on seeing...or shelling out any of my hard earned money...to see your latest runny shits in the toilet bowl. Oops, I meant your "creative tweaks". If anything, speaking as someone who still remembers that glorious May back in 1977 and the dreams it unleashed, it's depressing to now realize just WHAT a fucking worthless, uncreative, non-talented HACK Lucas actually turned out to be...
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and now...it completely and utterly sucks!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST
Search "Star Wars Blu-ray" on YouTube. Even MORE changes are leaking!
by Karl Hungus
Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. Lucas could have made all of these changes in 1997. He could have made most of them in 1977-1983. He's just framefucking now.
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Check it out at 2:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2GHL8VhMjo
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http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168314-close-up-shot-of-superman-on-the-man-of-steel-set
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It really does sound like Mr. Wint
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This is like wondering how your rapist, murderer uncle could possibly miss his parole hearing... Dude, Lucas is retarded. No, fuck that, retarded people should kick my ass for suggesting they were in the same league of dumbassery. Enough. The story is shyte. It's over. OVER.
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Anyone that believes Devin Faraci has a "source" on anything is a fucking idiot.
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I did.
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I've been a fan of the Saga since i was 9 years old. The prequels aren't as good as the OT but ROTS is my 2nd favorite of the saga and I find many things to enjoy in of all the Star Wars films. For the most part I've had no problems with the SE's and DVD versions. Most of the backlash on these has been way overblown and hyperbolic in my estimation. That being said if this alteration is legit I will be absolutely stunned and disappointed. This is the most pivotal moment in the saga and ROTJ was and is my sentimental childhood favorite. Little background tweaks and enhancements I can handle but not this. The Greedo shooting first stuff may be irritating to some but it's not really that important of a moment and it's over in less than 2 seconds. This has to be pranksters who've grabbed a hold of the HDTV rips and are now jerking us around.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 1:17 a.m. CST
Guys the scene is REAL. i am talking about it right now with a
by KilliK
friend of mine who downloaded the full BR yesterday,and yes the scene has the NO line. FUCK!!!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 1:20 a.m. CST
Even the Lucas apologist have to realize that he knows the fans want the original cut
by Nerd Rage
Admit it, Lucas is being quite the douche.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 1:23 a.m. CST
I pray to the God who's existence I deny that this is not true.
by Ironhelix
One of the greatest moments in movies history ruined. Why do you hurt me daddy, why?!
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Star Wars (overall) was ruined by Jar Jar Binks, Jake Lloyd, Hayden Christensen, and Jonathan Hales.
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You Ewok fetishists. If you weren't 6 y/o when it was released, you have no excuse. Anyway I have the original version of Star Wars in Divx format on my PC or something so I don't care about the rest.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 1:25 a.m. CST
I repeat it is REAL.the scene is exactly like that in the BR.
by KilliK
a friend of mine has downloaded the full BR and the scene has indeed been changed into this abomination. DOUBLE FUCK !!!
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...that has got to be the DUMBEST fucking thing I have ever seen. NOOOOOOO!!! Is this supposed to be some kind of retarded connection to the equally-stupid NOOOOOO!!! from RotS?
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I feel sorry for Jake Lloyd... <br> <br> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtkM2JPcHPo&feature=related
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That was immediate impression. If it's real then George should strapped to the blow job droid from the THX1138 special edition until he's a dried husk. Not the worst way to execute someone. Fitting.
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Lucas needs to be hanged by the balls for crimes against humanity.
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If Lucas just fucking released the original trilogy like it's supposed to be then he can go and screw around with his versions all he wants. Imagine the fans he would win back if he just gave us the films WE WANTED, not he ones he feels are the best versions. Still....all of us bitching about this will be buying this and you know it! This will be one of the biggest blu ray sellers EVER guaranteed. We are all hypocrities and Lucas OWNS US!
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are u kidding lol. so much miss directed passion in your post George Lucas created Star Wars he can change what he wants. if u enjoy the original films then watch them on vhs and dvd they are available in my opinion they are incomplete and needed some updating to sync with prequels. star wars has been and always will be a work in progress
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I've seen Star Wars enough times to not even care about it anymore. The change is as stupid as all the other ones but I only care enough to say that I don't care.
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nuff said.
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I love it, I actually cried and felt Anakin's pain as he said it! Bravo!
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oh, no, wait...some guy said it was true! he just "downloaded" it (whatever the fuck THAT means) Faraci's "source" (whatever THAT means) claims it's true, so IT MUST BE TRUE!!! Any excuse to hate on Lucas and the Nerdcore is ALL over it. Come on, asshats, use your fucking BRAINS. Only a leaked AUDIO?? That's fucking stupid. WHY would someone paste new audio on an old rip of the movies? it would have to be someone with access to the inside, and if you DID have access, why not post the WHOLE SCENE? I have dealt with the archives and LucasFilm while doing some work for them, and I can tell you...NOTHING leaks outta that place. Why risk losing a job that is hard enough to GET just to post some nutjob video on Youtube? NO. You wouldn't! Anyone have any idea what security is LIKE at Lucasfilm? Plus, if this came from some ripped file or some crap like that, there would be far more stuff posted, like extras, etc. that will appear on the blurays... Man oh man, how stupid if that Obiwan scream? Part of it sounds like a musical score or sound effect! I call bullshit.
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I just know it.
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He's just realising his true vision here. If the technology had existed back in '77 to make somebody wail like that, that's what Lucas would have done. If the advances we now have in sound were taken for granted in '83, James Earl Jones would have been able to record 'No, Noooo' for RotJ. This is EXACTLY how they would have been made back in the day if the tech had existed. It's clearly Lucas' true vision. So these versions can only be better.
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living in the caves are we?
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Aug. 31, 2011, 2:20 a.m. CST
wierdo27, HOWARD THE DUCK, JAR JAR BINKS, NIEN NUNB, EWOKS, POD RACE FARTS...
by justmyluck
... a precedent, no? Noooooooooooo??! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Isn't this the same George who was so against the colorization of old b&w films/tv shows? What if the director of the old Flash Gordon serials that George loved as a kid was A. Still alive, and B. Released them on blu-ray with updated cg effects? How would he feel? What if someone inserted a cg Kong into the original film? I mean I think most directors would agree that you make a film, you release it to the world and then you move on. Not edit and tinker with it for 35 fucking years!
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Seal Team 6 needs to be sent in to Skywalker ranch to overthrow this evil dictator and his army of Yes-men.
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what, torrent? you're saying your pal torrented the bluray from some online source that hasn't been watchdogged by lucasfilm? did he rip it from a br disc? so how'd he get the disc? if he has the disc, why not rip the whole movie(s) and extras? is he a sound tech? did he just take that specific file and try and match it as best he could? I'm just supposed to take your word for it over what my own personal experience has been? dude...that ObiWan Krayt dragon yell sounds so fake, like some dude is TRYING to make it funny! The Vader bit I can almost buy, and I am not even doubting the possibility that these changes have been made, but if they have...I highly doubt that THESE are THEM. And, yeah, there's precedent, anything can happen...but when it comes to Lucas Bashing, fanboys prefer to bash rather than rationally look at the evidence at hand. Because a Mob's a Mob.
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http://lat.ms/oNlHYX Certainly wouldn't have been the desired outcome for Disney's attempted franchise (if they had pursued it).
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have asked those stupid questions.jeez.
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http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Two-Disc-Widescreen-Theatrical/dp/B000FQJAIW/ref=sr_1_7?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1314776668&sr=1-7
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Aug. 31, 2011, 2:50 a.m. CST
THE MOB is/are the SW Blu-ray retailers everywhere promising to OWN EVERY MOMENT
by justmyluck
And with that MOB RULE, you get a REVOLT, and THIS IS IT, BABY!
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I can see the Blu-ray remote ... even with the blast shield down.
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Try searching a torrent site or any board pirating movies through rapidshare or megaupload links. You can see the whole trilogy on Blu-Ray for yourself in about 20 minutes. No way these are fake... I suspect if some fan were faking changes, the changes would be better and make more sense.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OZq-tlJTrU 633 squadron - yeah I know he wanted the feel of WW2 dogfights etc, and this has been recut to prove a point but a steal is a steal...
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Aug. 31, 2011, 3:08 a.m. CST
Thanks, but I'll watch the DVD boxset I bought in 2004 instead.
by F-18
Lucas will get no more of my money unless the original unaltered trilogy is released.
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Then I am absolutely crushed. However, if the blu rays have already been downloaded from torrent sites - there must be a comprehensive list of all the changes made to the films floating around out there? Or more clips of changes posted?
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I think its for real. Oh Fuck. Oh well, the new pics of Supes is looking pretty damn great over at Superhero hype.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 3:26 a.m. CST
Which is worse? Vader's "Noooo" or Kenobi's AC/DC audition scream?
by marineboy
Brian Johnson would be proud :)
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All i hear "George did this" and "Lucas is the deavil!" WELL GET OVER IT. The STAR WARS movies are entirely his creations and if he wants to alter them, well then it's his right. This change just a little exclamation point to the scene. And it is NOWHERE NEAR as jarring as you make it out to be. And I'm calling you all a bunch of hypocrites cause I know most of you praise to HIGH HEAVEN Ridley Scott FOR DOING THE SAME DAMN THING WITH HIS MOVIES. How is what Scott does okay while Lucas is not hunh? For that matter how about Peter Jackson, Richard Donner, OR ANYONE ELSE who does DIRECTOR'S CUTS, EXPANDED CUTS, UNRATED CUTS, PRODUCER CUTS, DIRECTOR'S Son's CUT, or BRUCE LEE'S CUT! If you argument is that these movies should be left alone after they are made, well then everyone who does it should be held accountable. So either turn in all those DVDs and Blu-Rays of the non original cuts, or JUST SHUT UP!!!
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.. then this is surely it...
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Aug. 31, 2011, 3:32 a.m. CST
Worse piece of news I'd heard all year... not surprised though...
by space doughnut
george, you have to stop sticking your index finger up your anus even though it makes you feels goooood... and you have to learn to stop smudging that finger all over your antique film stock just cos you are too senile to remember to wash your hands thereafter. i mean... this is fucking ridiculous, george, and you know it!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 3:40 a.m. CST
solrider77... if changes improve the film, as Ridley Scott's do...
by Mattman
then I'm all for it. Blade Runner and Kingdom of Heaven's director's cuts turned decent films into masterpieces. Lucas is doing the exact opposite.
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I hope you know that.
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LOTR, SUPERMAN I/II, BLADE RUNNER are all available in their original and extended cuts on Blu-ray. Now back to tending your garden.
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allowed lucas to setup Lucasfilm. but in order to keep it going and found his vision for the way movies are seen in and heard he made star wars. which took in 300 million dollars at the us box office and more worldwide. empire of dreams is superb as it tells the whole story of the making of the star wars trilogy. star wars gave lucas clout. but it also broke him mentally. you will never see the original star wars because lucas despises that film. Star wars was going down the toilet when fox threatened to take it away from him. as we know he ended up making that film on his own although his ex wife pulled the whole thing together in the editing, the enormity of the strain of that production ended his marriage. Here is a question if you all made a film, which was going down the toilet. but then by shear hard work pulled the thing together and you all made 300 million dollars. wouldnt you all then want to fix the problems with the film that started your career, if you thought that it was perfect.
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When Lucas replaced the puppet Yoda with the CG one in Ep. 1 and everyone was fine with it because it was Ep. 1 I said the originals was next. I don't know if it's fake or not but it couldn't surprise me one bit and that's the sad thing.
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Hey Harry, how's that edit button coming along?
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Aug. 31, 2011, 3:49 a.m. CST
Thank the maker I have Adywan's REVISITED versions of the OT to look forward to!
by Cervantes
The fact is that although it seems that there has been one or two things actually improved on from the 2004 'special edition' dvd release, this latest 'special edition' release seems to still have a lot of the previous problems left in, judging by certain sources. It's not as if Lucasfilm hasn't had enough time to sort these out too. Now on top of this, there seems to be a whole new set of things that will piss off a lot of SW fans too. It's bad enough that the terrific originals haven't been properly treated and put out with this blu-ray release, but it seems that Joe Public is going to be given yet another variation of the original trilogy that has a lot of dubious 'creative decisions' included once again. Not least of which is the dreadful color grading compared to the originals. It seems that the new soundtrack/sound effects have been altered for the worse now too, and I've no doubt that plenty of flaws from the previous 'special edition' will remain unattended to. So if you want a truly 'special edition' where Han shoots Greedo and Darth Vader's lightsaber is actually red, then do yourselves a favour and just google STAR WARS REVISITED TRAILER and then search for as much info. as you can online about what the amazingly talented faneditor Adywan is managing to do.
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And I was so looking forward to the Blu Ray editions. Now I just can't bring myself to buy them :(
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...Vaders "Principle Skinner" Nooooooooo in Ep III when he first puts on the suit. That was a real deal breaker.
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That's the AICN experience...c'est la guerre (des étoilles!)
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Scott was forced to put the original and international cuts of BLADE RUNNER out on DVD. If it had been up to him we never would have seen them again. In fact he delayed their release for 10 years while his director's cut was the only type available. And I agree the extended edition KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is a better movie, that's why I own it. And I disagree with you on BLADE RUNNER. The original cut and the director's cut are about the same. I do not think the director's cut greatly improves the film at all. In fact it destroys the subtext of the film. BLADE RUNNER is about a man realizing how precious the humanity he gave up to survive in his harsh world was. He learns this by seeing how badly Replicants (machines) want it. Scott's insistence that Deckard is a replicant destroys this subtext. Also it's Scott's belief alone, not the writer, producer, or even Ford agreed with him about it at the time. What Lucas does to his own movies is cosmetic surgery at best. And they are his movies, he's the writer, producer, and director of 4 1/2 of them. None of his changes cause any major changes to the storyline. You all are gripping over tweaks done by the one man who has every right to make them. Yet you reward ones who drastically change the storyline, for better and for worse. And Scott can't say he has the sole right to do it the way Lucas does.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 4:09 a.m. CST
For everybody saying they need to hold on to there vhs copies..
by whofan71
did you not pick up the limited run of orignal, unaltered versions that were released on dvd a few years ago? They came packaged with both SE and unaltered versions of the dvd's, with the Dark Horse graphic novel comics of each movie. Sure glad I got mine.
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I mean, I'm not ACTUALLY surprised or anything, it's what he does, continually ruin his own legacy. But WTF? How could he possibly think this is a good idea, and how the HELL does it get all the way to mastering without someone, ANYONE saying "hang on George, I'm not sure about this"?! The man is a fucking simpleton. At what point did his brain nuke the fridge? I'm guessing it was new year's eve 1989. As the sun set on the 80s, something in his waddle-necked head just died and gave up. Cos all he's done since then is PISS ME OFF! Christ, I'm actually angry about Star Wars again. I didn't think I cared anymore but, whaddayaknow?! Dear god, no-one let him touch the Indy blu-rays. STEVEN, I'm talking to YOU!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 4:17 a.m. CST
http://www.the-back-row.com/media/blogs/TBR/starwarsspecial.jpg
by Orionsangels
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Like fuck it is, films are made for an audience. When a film becomes as pervasive in popular culture as Star Wars you have to have an ego the size of jupiter to mangle the original work millions of people fell in love with.
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Those muthas were published by Marvel originally, Dark Horse didn't even exist. Even the EXTRAS have been tampered with!
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I love Star Wars more than most fans. I even indulge in the Extended Universe..... But many of you should really get a life. This is nowhere near as bad as the RotS 'NO' (which wasn't that bad to begin with).
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All this news about the changes that Lucas does matters so little to me. While i have enjoyed the movies, they have made little emotional impact on me. Basically, i have not much of an emotional connection to them other then seeing them as a bunch of movies i enjoy watching occasionally. In a way, it amuses me to see the reactions from the geekry in here about the changes, and treating them as total blaspehemies form hell, while they were so cool and happy and completly dismissed the fuckery that was done to Star Trek in the Abrams movie. Yeah, this shit amuses me. I'll just sit down and enjoy the show. What i think of the changes Lucas is making on his SW movies? I can't be arsed to have an opinion on that. Show time!
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So like I said. If that's your argument then return all those Extended Cuts and Director's Cuts of other movies I'm sure you have.
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and god knows I've forgiven a lot of changes made to Star Wars over the years. But this, is the culmination of the entire saga, and arguably its most powerful scene - and its been changed, and has some bullshit redundant 'No' added to it? I just cannot believe it. The scene played beautifully before, now I'm going to have to brace myself everytime this scene is about to happen, just like I do with Vaders 'Noooo'' in Sith. Maybe thats the point, it now mirrors that awful bit at the end of Sith.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 4:39 a.m. CST
Ridley Scott makes all versions of his films commercially available in a decent format
by Margot Tenenbaum
So do James Cameron and Spielberg (except for the ones produced by Lucas). Lucas could shut most of his detractors up instantly if he released the original versions of the original trilogy in HD. He absolutely has the prerogative to change the Star Wars films he directed all he wants but he needs to stop pretending that the previous versions do not exist. He shouldn't touch Spielberg's Indiana Jones films or Kershner's TESB or Marquand's ROTJ AT ALL.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 4:41 a.m. CST
solrider77: Scott was forced to put the original and international cuts of BLADE RUNNER out on DVD?
by justmyluck
Your source Ridley Scott was 'forced' by Warner Bros.? Details or citations, please! ----- 1990 - Warner Bros. allowed theatrical screenings of a 70 mm copy of the workprint version of the film, advertising it as a 'Director's Cut'. 2002 - Warner Bros. delayed Ridley Scott's BLADE RUNNER 'Special Edition' release after legal disputes began with the film's original completion bond guarantors. 2006 - Warner Bros. announced that it had finally secured full distribution rights to the film.
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there's enough angry nerds on the internet. Start a campaign to not buy these, don't go see the 3D versions and hit George in the only place that'll hurt him....his pocket. THIS is THE only way to stop him and it'll never happen.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 4:43 a.m. CST
awww man I thought the video was gonna be the ep 3 noooo
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
anyways I don't give a shit about this change. I watched the new verion, had no idea anything was different until I read the actual story.
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Honestly, if Lucas is so unhappy with the original trilogy he should just remake them from scratch instead of splicing shit in to try and make them match the prequels. I'm almost tempted to cancel my pre-order for the Blu-Rays.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 4:50 a.m. CST
The 3 prequels Prove that George is completely 'out to lunch'. If you want to bring him back again - Don't buy the Discs and Stop buying the Toy Line
by Jeff Myers
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... that GL must have had producer's final cut.
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Really? You're upset about THIS ruining ROTJ? Son, the sum-bitch ALREADY blows! After everything Vader's done over the past 20+ years, the betrayal of the Jedi, the slaughter of the younglings, the destruction of Alderaan, etc., etc., etc. Now, and only now, despite un-handing Luke and threatening to kill him himself, NOW Anakin Skywalker comes roaring out of Vader, tosses the Emperor to his death and redeems himself? I couldn't yell "BULLSHIT" loud enough to properly communicate what a motherfucking cheap-ass move THAT was! WHO GIVES A SHIT if the fucker now yells "No" at the crucial moment? The fate of the ever so vaunted "trilogy" was already sealed: two instant-classic movies and one fuck of a lame-ass conclusion.
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...at the risk of getting flamed, I don't think you can compare what Lucas is doing (CONTINUALLY doing) to Star Wars to other alternate versions of movies. Firstly, most "director's cut" or whatever they choose to call them are exactly that. The studio imposed restrictions when the movie was originally released, usually on time, and the result was compromise that helped put bums on seats but was lacking aesthetically. With DVD and Blu the director now has the freedom to re-insert footage that he/she wanted to include originally. And usually you have the option of the original version anyway. With that said, I hope you can see that Lucas IMPOSING repeated new versions on the fans, with no option of seeing it as we remember it, it's very different. Never mind the fans of the originals, it's not even fair on the younger Lucas. Back in the day, he thought Han would be a cad and a bounder and would have no problem shooting first. Years later, Lucas has mellowed and Han has taken a larger role in the story than he probably originally intended, well let's Disne-fy the fucker and make out like we're all black or white with no shades of grey. A mistake he is rightly chastised for, and one he clearly hasn't learned from. And while we're on the topic, maybe he'd be more productive if he stopped tinkering with his old works and just pulled his finger out and made, say, Red Tails instead of letting it gestate and gestate and then giving it someone else. He MUST have more stories to tell, right? You point out that Ridley Scott has revised his earlier works. Yes, he improved them, slightly. He didn't make any MAJOR changes (this statement will cause flamage, I predict!). And he got on with his life and made OTHER films. Good ones too. Why can't George do that? And why can't his buddy Steve see what a dreadful example he is and that you don't NEED to ruin your finest work with short-sighted "improvements" (E.T.) and that NO SCRIPT ON EARTH takes 20 years to "perfect" (Indy 4). I know your buddies, good for you, but one of you is a master film-maker and the other is a master merchandiser. DO NOT SWAP NOTES!
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Lucas moved on from Star Wars, about time rest of the fanboydom does so too. Instead of harping on what was once a great mythology, move on and look forward and harbor a new hope [c wat I] that someone will come up with a new sci-fi mythology that will inspire the next generation of fanboys.
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http://youtu.be/WaQ68oUNnyI
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Has he been working on his version for like 5 years now? Some of the footage is cool, but if Lucas went and completely CGI'd the Battle of Yavin like Adywan is, they'd call him insane.
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to not buy the things for this shit to stop. But they won't and you will.
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Has any other entertainment personality ever gone from universally beloved by a fanbase to universally hated by the same fanbase? I'm sure it must have happened, but certainly not to the extremes as it has with George Lucas. Lucas was a god on earth to Star Wars fans (which is one of the largest fanbases of any entertainment property in the history of the world) to someone that 100% of Star Wars fans now despise. I know I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. How can he possibly be so spiteful/dumb/incompetent/oblivious? (I mean, it has to be one of those four right?)
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I won't flame on this, but still you don't consider changing Deckard from a human to a replicant a major change! I would say that's a way bigger change to a character, not to mention the storyline of a movie, than Greedo shoots first. While we are one the subject I really don't think that changed Han's character at all, he still killed the guy, and still said "Sorry about the mess." with tons of swagger. He still blasted Storm Troopers and radios with abandon. I just do not see how that one scene made you all declare Han to be wussified. But since this subject is now out there I will say this. The scene did work best in it's original incarnation. I say this because the attempts to rework it have not been successful because they simply cannot move Han's head out of the way of Greedo's blaster. Having read the comic adaptation of NEW HOPE SPECIAL EDITION, I've seen how the new version of scene was supposed to work. Han is supposed to dodge Greedo's shot while returning fire. But like I said Han is in such a position in the original that they can't make him dodge the shot. It makes it look like Greedo fires wide at a range of two feet. On a technical level, the scene worked best in it's original form. Does it destroy the movie and the character of Han Solo, absolutely not!
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Sure, legally he can do what he wants with them. He owns the rites, wrote story outlines and was a pretty hands on producer but he's fucking with movies he didn't direct. Every time he dicks around with Empire or Jedi he's messing with another man's movie. He can do what he likes to A New Hope, for better or (most likely) worse but Empire was Kershner's movie and Jedi was Marquand's. In my mind it's just like Ted Turner trying to colorise Citizen Kane. Not only is it a stupid idea - it's really offensive to the guy who made the movie in the first place. What would the Lucas of 30 years ago think of that?
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I think George Lucas pushed a microphone in James Earl Jones face and said would you record a little bit more dialogue for me? James Earl Jones just says *Noooo*. That'll do, thinks Lucas!
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He sounds like he's got his nuts twisted.
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*No* the one word Lucas inserts is the one word that the LucasArts bobbleheads arent allowed to say. Oh the irony. He's just doing it to fuck with their brains.
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just leave it now. It's close to perfect.
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after making star wars. he says on empire of dreams that he regrets not taking a more hands on approach whilst making empire and jedi. and burnt out is what all the cast and crew were after making these films. I am not one of those who believes that lucas has stomped on anybody's dreams. as empire of dreams clearly states in a conversation with Irving kershner, who was an old tutor of Lucas in UCLA said that lucas's vision was mind blowing back then. lucas was never really interested in story telling per se or the minutiae of the craft but lucas vision was always about technology could change the way we see films and hear them too. nor was lucas interested in the direction of actors or dialog. as we all know. he couldnt care less about those things. lucas is prepping star wars for the age of digital 3d cinema. its why I loved star tours some much.
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...I'm pretty sure Deckard was ALWAYS supposed to be a replicant. There's another conversation here, I think we best stay on topic! Ok, does that one change to ANH change Han's character? Maybe not significantly, but it dilutes it. Add it in that other changes, like removing all the "human" Imperials that get shot and changing them to faceless Troopers. Another dilution. George may be a bastard but he's not stupid (though he thinks we are), the changes are JUST subtle enough to not SEEM major. But together they are, and each little attrition make the films that little bit worse. Seriously, has ANY change made you like the films more? I doubt it. I LOVE the fact you hardly see the Wampa. Makes him mysterious and terrifying. Then he becomes a muppet in full frame and he's just a guy in a suit. Mystery gone. I LOVE the look and feel of solid ships, you know they're models but at least they seem heavy and physical. That Falcon in ESB: SE is just shit, it's not even the right shape. I don't even know where to start with the rest, Jabba, lifeless 3PO, 100% more Boba Fett that's 100% more shit, young Anakin, where the fuck is Lapti Nek? The new Ewok song. Fake looking Coruscant (actually matches the prequels quite well, which is BAD). I haven't even SEEN the new fuck-ups. I just know they'll be bad because like modern Prince he has no judgement and is surrounded by, how did one talkbacker put it? the Lucas bobble-heads! I like that. Someone needs to say No and it ain't Vader.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 5:41 a.m. CST
And it's Mister Lucas to you. He's not your school pal. just because you bought the DVDs doesn't give you to right to call him on a first name basis.
by AsimovLives
Maybe because I bought the DVDs of the new Batman moviesand Inception i should start calling Chris to director Christopher Nolan? Of course not, that's stupid! Geeks, filmmakers are not your pals just because you bought the DVDs or did an interview with him once, you know?
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Lucas is the real boss and owner of EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and RETURN OF THE JEDI. The directors of those movies were fronts for Lucas, who at the time was warry of directing actors and crew thanks to the negative experience he had with the first Star Wars movie (A New Hope, OK?). But those directors were in his pocket, they couldn't without his say so. He had them on a short leach. So, even those he didn't personally directed, all of SW movies are entirely his. Entirely his.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 5:49 a.m. CST
If i had to venture a gues,s the reason Lucas wnts to make Vader shout "No" in ROTJ is to make a dramatic link to REVENGE OF THE SITH.
by AsimovLives
When Vader learns that Padme died through Palpatine, he screamed a big "No!" which now has gone to SW Infamy Lore. If i had to gues,s i'd say Lucas wants to make a dramatic and emotional connection between the scene when Vader lot his humanity in REVENGE OF THE SITH with when he regained it in RETURN OF THE JEDI. Of course, given how sore so many of the geeks are about Lucas and the prequels, i bet he last thing the geekry wants is another connection between the prequels and their orgastically beloved original trilogy.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 5:51 a.m. CST
Lucas, i hate you. I hate your prequel, i hate your changes to the origjnal trilogy. What, there's a new blu-ray of SW? I'll have to buy them all!
by AsimovLives
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Aug. 31, 2011, 5:52 a.m. CST
Once again i forgot quotation commas don't show up in post titles!
by AsimovLives
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Aug. 31, 2011, 5:53 a.m. CST
- "Lucas, i hate you. I hate your prequel, i hate your changes to the origjnal trilogy. What, there's a new blu-ray of SW? I'll have to buy them all!" -
by AsimovLives
That fixs it.
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Then why are they always saying that "we made this one for you, the fans" and "we're just like you guys, we're nerds too!"? Sorry asimov (Mr Asimov?), we've agreed before but not on this. The day I start working for him, I'll call him Mr. Lucas. The day I start a film course and he's the teacher, I'll call him Mr. Lucas. But I put his kids through college and put dinner on his table and made it possible for him to build Skywalker Ranch and (god help me) make the prequels. If I want to call him George I will do so. He doesn't have to like it.
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Ted Turner really wanted to colorize CITIZEN KANE. It's true. CITIZEN KANE is his favorite movie, and yet he wanted it in colour. The reason he couldn't was because Orson Welles has full rights on the movie, INCLUDING THE PHOTOGRAPHY. And Welles never allowed his movie to be colorized. It's even said that one of the last things that Welles said while alive was to keep Turner's crayons out of his movie. Turner never got hold of the complete rights of CITIZEN KANE, merely it's television distribution rights. This is why he could never colorized it. But he sure tried to.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 6:02 a.m. CST
"that someone will come up with a new sci-fi mythology that will inspire the next generation of fanboys." That's TWILIGHT, isn't it?
by AsimovLives
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until the set is out or least reviewed by someone, theres no proof that wasnt just done by somebody for kicks. dont get me wrong, seems like something lucas would do so if its true, i wont be surprised. especially since its not the exact same "no" from Sith, that does help its case but still. that first no wasnt bad at all, it worked fine but yeah the 2nd one was over the top. woulda made more sense to have it be more angry and pissed since we've never really heard Vader get angry really. but yeah, least it makes for fun talkbacks watching the kiddies get me upset. :P
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Stop messing with what was already great about "Return of the Jedi"!!
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...you're absolutely right. I think secretly we all want him to fuck up again so we can all complain about it. I loves me some complainin'!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 6:22 a.m. CST
Still Not Worse Than Luke Screaming As He Falls Down the Bespin Shaft
by ZodNotGod
Dude, you are an idiot. This is no longer an issue. It does not exist. It was not on the 2004 DVDs. Way to keep on top of things. Ass.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 6:23 a.m. CST
As for this...? Will have to wait to see for myself as AICN has proven not to be terriblly accurate...
by ZodNotGod
Remember when they reported Chuck Heston and Charles Bronson where going to be the voice of Yoda and a Jedi Master? Or when 40% of the new footage shot was blurry? Bah....morons.
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I'll just sit in a darkened room and go by my fold memories of SW instead from now on...
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No. Leave them to me; I will deal with them myself.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST
GEORGE DISCOVERED TWO LUMINOUS STARS: HARRISON FORD AND BRIAN BENBEN
by Darth Busey
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More changes noted to A NEW HOPE (copy and pasted from Blu Ray forum): 01. Escape pod launcher lights now have heat trails over them, making them flicker. 02. Escape pod hatch is no longer blue. 03. More moisture vaporators added. 04. Leia hologram now looks more blue and prequelish. 05. Treadwell droid behind Uncle Owen while talking at the table (Was this there before?). 06. Binary sunset still has the passing clouds added. 07. The area beneath the Landspeeder actually looks GOOD. 08. As pointed out by Adywan, there are now rocks in front of R2 in his hiding spot in the canyon. 09. If you thought the DVD version of Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon roar was hideous, keep your thumb on the Mute button. That's right. It's WORSE now. 10. The new CG rocks that covered R2 are magically gone after he comes out of hiding. 11. 2004 detention center hallway still there and actually looks good. 12. Obi-Wan/Vader duel on Death Star lightsaber blades are bright and more consistent, though Vader's is a bit pink in some of the shots. 13. Millennium Falcon vs. Sentry TIE's, the shot that was revealed to us by LFL at the press event with the partial laser bolt IS FIXED in this MKV. 14. Brass can now be heard during X-Wing dive to the Death Star. 15. The glitch under Vader's TIE and his escorts after "Three marks at two-ten!" has been fixed. 16. Energy wave sound from Death Star explosion sounds more balanced. 17. Vader's breath sound can be heard when his TIE is spinning, but is very faint. ROTJ now has blinking added to some Ewoks, and an extended zoom to C3PO and R2 at Jabba's palace door, making the door appear far larger. And of course this retarded NOoooo.
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More changes to A NEW HOPE (copy and pasted form Blu Ray forum): 01. Escape pod launcher lights now have heat trails over them, making them flicker. 02. Escape pod hatch is no longer blue. 03. More moisture vaporators added. 04. Leia hologram now looks more blue and prequelish. 05. Treadwell droid behind Uncle Owen while talking at the table (Was this there before?). 06. Binary sunset still has the passing clouds added. 07. The area beneath the Landspeeder actually looks GOOD. 08. As pointed out by Adywan, there are now rocks in front of R2 in his hiding spot in the canyon. 09. If you thought the DVD version of Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon roar was hideous, keep your thumb on the Mute button. That's right. It's WORSE now. 10. The new CG rocks that covered R2 are magically gone after he comes out of hiding. 11. 2004 detention center hallway still there and actually looks good. 12. Obi-Wan/Vader duel on Death Star lightsaber blades are bright and more consistent, though Vader's is a bit pink in some of the shots. 13. Millennium Falcon vs. Sentry TIE's, the shot that was revealed to us by LFL at the press event with the partial laser bolt IS FIXED in this MKV. 14. Brass can now be heard during X-Wing dive to the Death Star. 15. The glitch under Vader's TIE and his escorts after "Three marks at two-ten!" has been fixed. 16. Energy wave sound from Death Star explosion sounds more balanced. 17. Vader's breath sound can be heard when his TIE is spinning, but is very faint.
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ROTJ also has blinking effects added to some Ewoks, a longer zoom to the shot of C3PO and R2 standing at Jabbas Palace door, making the door appear far larger. And of course, this retarded Nooooooo!
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The reactions to this are amusing, some a valid, some are well put, but this? THIS kind of crap makes me sick to be a Star Wars nerd sometimes. To wish someone to die just because you don't like something they did is disturbing and sick and needs to stop. Here that, Admins? Do your jobs and shut cretinous fools like this down now!
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When will this site be fixed? Cos right now it is fuxed.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 6:35 a.m. CST
That first, unsure, "Nooo...?" from Vader is funny stuff.
by buggerbugger
The second, less equivocal, "Nooooooooooooo!" is just a whole bunch of sadness.
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I was gonna buy a blu-ray player just for this. Oh well. Not gonna happen now unless this is proven fake. Dammit shit fuck man.
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How can he do this? What a selfish man.
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So, what do you do if you want to see the same film you saw when you where a kid ? Go find a VHS player and an old tape? How stupid.(The new sound is retarded too)<BR><BR> Oh and I agree with the "AICN = Fox News" thing I read this on Dark Horizons a day or two ago. The less said about Harrys Captain America review the better... <BR><BR> http://tinyurl.com/335z46t
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FACT!
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Really. Who cares.
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As much as I hate all these changes . The new set will sell like hot cakes . I never intended to buy it and I'm sure a lot of you guys wont either but the fact is . It'll make no differecne . We are but a drop in the ocean . They will sell through the roof , especially with xmas coming up . George will make another 100million to stuff under his matress thus validating, in his mind the new updates and he'll continue not giving a fuck what any of us say .
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Aug. 31, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST
This better be a hoax. Both scenes are perfect as is.
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
I agree Nordling that what makes Vader throwing Palpatine off the ledge perfect is the lack of dialogue. Nothing else is needed.
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Didn't they just last week proclaim that the only change made was CGI Yoda in Episode I??? What the fuck man??? I'm being serious.
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Which is why it's fake! Calm down, you crackbabies!
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billion dollar movie franchise, you can change things or not change things the way you see fit... I might not agree with all Lucas' choices, but this is his shit! He can do what the fuck he wants to do to them...Don't buy any of it if you don't want to! I remember as a kid wondering why all these gay teddy bears were in ROTJ but that was George's choice!
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Let us not forget that he changed the sound in the 2004 DVD release too. So this is actually an alteration of an alteration! :)
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Are you going to calm down and shut up or continue making pathetic death threats?
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Aug. 31, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST
Was only going to buy the OT, but now, forget it. Assuming these changes are real, that is.
by vorlonkosh
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...you're a gullible fool.
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I know you and the rest of your ilk have to tow the line and think the same way, but this? Why post this? It only makes you look like a reactionary fool. Way to go! Way to keep that integrity intact...whoops! I guess not. Ass.
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well, that's the clincher. I was toying with the idea of buying the Blu-Rays but these changes have pretty much convinced me that the best way to now watch the original films is to watch the Star Wars Revisited and the upcoming Empire Strikes Back Revisited. I'll wait for the inevitable unaltered re-re-re-release in a couple of years or so.
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Lucas isn't a filmmaker anymore; he's a movie mogul now. And he's creatively bankrupt; whatever sensibilities he had that helped him to become what he is now have been completely lost. He's run the Star Wars franchise into the ground with all the wretched new movies and cartoons, his fingerprints were all over that last Indiana Jones movie (don't blame Spielberg or Ford; that was all Lucas). And his repeated tinkering with the original trilogy has evaporated all the goodwill people had towards those movies. He's going to be like Howard Hughes or another one of those crackpots who live in their own world with more money than brains.
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It's actually very easy to NOT purchase something.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 7:28 a.m. CST
The Obi-Wan clip sounds more like the original VHS scream than the DVD release
by Lone Fox
which for some reason was altered to a high-pitched whistle/whooping.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 7:31 a.m. CST
I was never going to buy another Star Wars toy again...
by Kentucky Colonel
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Aug. 31, 2011, 7:33 a.m. CST
Thank the Gods for fanedit dot org and originaltrilogy dot com
by bonecrushersmith
There will be fanedits and preservation projects that will fix what Lucas has screwed up. You're an embarrassment, George.
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I was never going to buy another Piece of Shit Star Wars toy until I ran across the "Ultimate FX Darth Vader Lightsaber" at an undisclosed National Retailer this weekend. This is a MUST OWN for every true nerd/geek/fanboy. It's a lot like those really pricey neon-tube-sporting lightsabers from a few years ago, but this new one is "play friendly" (tested it with my 3 1/2 year old son, who loves it and wants his own {he gets the blue one}) and, get this, when you "power up" the neon-like light tube lights up from hilt to the top of the tube, and reverses when you "power down". Screw the Blu Rays....go out and buy two of these suckers! At about $30 each this is the must own toy for each and every talkbacker out there. Maybe I can find a link...
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I actually read the above post, the article on Badass Digest and most of this talk back before reaching an informed conclusion that Darth Vader saying 'NO' at the end of Return of the Jedi is a very very bad thing. I have therefore made a concious decision not to click on the above youtube links or buy the offending Blueray discs! For the remainder of my life I will literally never ever see or hear the offending clip............. not even once! Hooray for me!
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Shut the fuck up with the pathetic "When you make your movies you can do whatever you want". Fucking apologist wank. A. I won't be buying the set. B. Just because he CAN doesn't mean he SHOULD and we have a right to moan when something great is pissed on over and over. And as for the Krayt Dragon sound, the one posted sure sounds like the one from the Sounds of Star Wars book...
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http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Ultimate-Darth-Lightsaber/dp/B004SGRWWG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1314794318&sr=8-4 read the review, it's spot-on.
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You won't ever see it, dummy because it's fake! MAN, You people are so easliy swayed. PAck of delicate little flowers.
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Watch these blu-rays go straight to number one in the fucking charts. I'll put money on it. Lucas owns your soul. And he'll keep fucking you in the ass for as long as he lives. And then his estate will own your ass. And they will continue to fuck your ass for as long as you live. On your deathbed, with the 32nd version of the movie playing in the background, you'll be lucky if you even remember the original story, or what it was you liked about it so much. Were the Skywalkers always triplets? Didn't Jar Jar always shoot first? And sub-titles for R2-D2 and Chewie just make so much more sense... Ah, the sweet release of death.
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Really. Let it go.
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Obi Wan's strangulated sound effect I can live with. That's pretty insignificant. However Vader's Nooooooo at the pivotal point of the entire saga is the Blu Ray releases new *Greedo Shoots First* moment. A moment that jarrs you out of the movie-watching experience. A moment that makes you go WTF?! In short, a change for the worse not the better.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST
Hey Luke,Leia is your sister so you cant bang her.sorry mate.
by KilliK
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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in his PT reviews where he points out scenes which were put,completely out of context ofc,in order to connect the Prequels with the Originals. Even Lucas says that himself in a BTS video.
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Could you describe to us all what cock tastes like? Specifically, George Lucas's cock? Does it taste like the Forrest Moon of Endor? Or maybe like an ice cream sundae served in the shade of a Tatooine Sun? Because the way you go about defending idiocy really makes me think you would take just about anything.
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I've been saying it for years, but instead of taking the scalpel to his face and ruining his looks, he takes the Avid to his past films and ruins them. And as far as artistic output, they are the same, peeked early, never to recapture their former glory.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST
Thank God for Steven Spielberg. You just know Lucas would be adding stupid unnecessary shit to Raiders of the Lost Ark if he was the only one with creative control. But thankfully, he isn't.
by Mr. Pricklepants
You just know he would have completely fucked up the iconic Indy-shoots-the-swordsman scene. Yeah, I know that Spielberg went through a George Lucas phase when he did that 20th Anniversary Edition of E.T. (replacing guns with walkie-talkies and all that shit), but thankfully he seems to have changed his mind about tinkering with his own movies. Plus, you can bet your ass that the original theatrical version of E.T. will become available on Blu-ray.
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Click through to the video and look at the comment from the poster. He added the "No" himself. It is not from the Blu-Ray.
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That's still worse than this.
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After sticking the young ghost Anakin over the older non-whiney Shaw version, I made it a point to pass over any stupid gold edition that Lucas puts out to support is mental care and army of ass kissers. Seriously the guy hates you old crusty SW fans. Good luck Fox with the whole Red Tails WW2 bomber drama. I'll laugh when Lucas comes back to it after three years and force Hemmingway to replace Cuba Gooding Jr for a CGI Indian female. Best Troll ever though in context of a generation trolled so hard that they're crying over James Earl Jones getting some voice over work with a rebreather.
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Don't buy them.
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but people still buy buy buy. It's a sad reality.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8 a.m. CST
George Lucas (Palpatine's voice): "I'm affraid your beloved original trilogy is no longer" SW fanboys (Darth Vader's voice): "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
by AsimovLives
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I have the original unmolested trilogy on VHS, widescreen VHS and DVD. I don't own Blu-ray (never saw the point, it's just this generation's laserdisc) but if i did i wouldn't buy these unless the original edit was included. Apart from the fact that it was a perfect moment in Jedi played silently, wouldn't Vader's prefacing his turning on Palpatine with a "noooo!!!" warn The Emperor of what was coming and therefore give him time to react? So not only is this rubbish but it makes no sense. Well done George after 3 rubbish prequels you've nearly succeeded in destroying the originals too. Perhaps next you can go back to American Graffiti and add in some pimped-up Fast & Furious-style racers. That way there will be no remaining evidence that you were ever a decent filmmaker. And on that note, messing with Star Wars is one thing but you didn't direct Empire and Jedi so messing with them seems particularly offensive. Shame on you George, shame!
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Only Lucas could manage to create a plothole in a simple scene like this: http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9888/r2newshots.jpg
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This is absolutely STELLAR. George is actually ADDING additional lines of dialogue to Return of the Jedi? Maybe he was just waiting for the technology to catch up to his BwAhahahaAHha "vision".
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:13 a.m. CST
My Love for Star Wars died many years ago. This is like finding an old porno with photos of your mother in it. My apathy barely registers anymore for this shit.
by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:14 a.m. CST
=ouldn't Vader's prefacing his turning on Palpatine with a "noooo!!!" warn The Emperor of what was coming and therefore give him time to react?=
by KilliK
exactly what i wrote in my post above.not only the Emperor knows what is coming when the No is heard,but the viewers as well.It destroys the whole climax and atmosphere of that scene.
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Could you please describe how demented and clearly pointless your childhood was? I mean if tweaking a movie completely destroyed it, then it must have been pretty weak to begin with. And fellatio remarks really? Trolls have better barbs.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST
Does anyone know what 'version' of each film this makes now? A new hope version 4? 5? ROTJ version 3? I cant keep up.
by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST
Does anyone know what 'version' of each film this makes now? A new hope version 4? 5? ROTJ version 3? I cant keep up.
by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST
Two rumored changes to the Empire Strikes Back Blu-ray
by Samuel Fulmer
Dialogue scene right after Vader tells Luke he is his father.....LUKE:I can not accept the fact that you, the most evil man in the galaxy is my father. This is shocking news. I would rather die than rule the galaxy with you, so dad, I am going to jump to what could more than likely, be my death so I don't have to rule the galaxy with you, the man who just said that he is my father, even though I was told by my dear Aunt and Uncle that you were killed many many years ago, and was even told by my mentor Ben Kenobi that you killed him. Goodbye cruel world...[Luke jumps, with very fey effeminate scream from the special edition reinstated]. Also there is a further make out session between Luke and Leia at the very end as they watch Lando and Chewie take off in the Falcon.
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...I have the laserdiscs, and burned DVDs from them long before Lucas began fucking with his films.
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You bemoan and complain about Lucas like the junkie who compains he got bad horse from the dealer. And yet you keep returning again and again to buy the new shit. Admit it, guys, you are addicted, no matter what you say, no matter how you comain, no matter how much vows of vengence and curses against Lucas you thrown at it. Like the abused junkie battered wife, you keep returning for more. You SW fanboys have turned yourselves into the dopped underground people from THX 1138. Altogether now: "Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy." Thank goodness my favorite Lucas movie is THX-1138. And that i also own it in it's original version.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:25 a.m. CST
I think George should add Vader's NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! to every death scene/emotional scene/important scene
by Mr. Pricklepants
Ben Kenobi dies- Luke: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Biggs dies - Luke: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Han is frozen in carbonite - Leia: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Yoda dies - Luke: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Luke tells Leia that she's his sister - Leia: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! The Death Star is blown up - Vader: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Vader dies - Luke: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Anakin's ghost is suddenly young now - Obi-Wan & Yoda: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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But compared to the prequels, it looks like the Godfather Part II.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST
ASS-IMOV - You can kiss my arse befor I call ANYONE Mister!
by Jeff Myers
I don't LIVE in THAT world. Respect has to be EARNED. Now get back to your subsurviance!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:31 a.m. CST
Perhaps George does not need the money and one day we will find out that this is some weird post modern artistic statement, like acid on the Mona Lisa one drop at a time.....
by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm
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I hope it is some fake shit. It will prove conclusively the Lucas ass-kissers and prequel-lovers will buy anything they think he's selling. If a clip replaced the krayt dragon sound with "Glaven!" yelled by prof. Frink from the Simpsons and they thought Lucas did it they'd defend it to the death.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:36 a.m. CST
if they replaced the Noooos! with 'YOUFUCKINGCUNT!!!! I may be interested......!'
by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm
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THIS was the straw that broke the camel's back? Lucas has so relentlessly bastardized the original films over the past 14 years or so, it's really hard for me to work up any angst about it anymore. It's practically expected at this point. Let go. Very, very occasionally, I get the itch to revisit Star Wars or The Empire Strikes Back. Those films were great. Parts of Jedi were also near that level, but the film as a whole is decidedly lacking. Nothing else worthwhile remains of the Star Wars saga, alas. Maybe moments in the prequels. But scattered moments only, like a brief, light shower over a desert of mediocrity. Eventually, when GL's heirs decide to cash in on some more movies, I'm sure I'll see them. But my expectations will not be high.
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How exactly is blowing up a big space ship podracing? Wouldn't that be like some kid driving a tank and blowing up some terrorists and then as he drives off he yells, "Now this is NASCAR!"
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I hope they added him to the celebration at the end of ROTJ.
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" I don't own Blu-ray (never saw the point, it's just this generation's laserdisc) " Go get your eyes checked. I do have a Bluray and as far as anything on my HDTV looks it leaves any other source in the dust. This includes cable HD and certainly the soft and when it's sharp but lower detail ( sometimes grainy ) picture you get with DVD. I also bought a Laerdisc back in the day and Bluray isn't the same. Lot's of other owners and titles to choose from. Also lots of titles in the used or bargain section of some stores like FYE. This has really helped me build my collection fast. I'm sorry but once I've seen the film like quality of Bluray there are certain movies I wouldn't want to watch any other way. And streaming stuff? I've seen it and HD is still HD but Bluray definite looks better. If you can't tell the difference either your TV set needs adjustment or your eyes need glasses.
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Lucas already did CGI changes in AMERICAN GRAFFITTI. In the opening of the movie, when the guys meet at the diner, Lucas changed the sky into a raising sun skyline. Due to tiem constrains, he had been forced to shoot the scene, which was supposed to be set at sunrise, at a much later hour. He was never happy with the result. For the DVd release, he mannaged to change the skyline to one that reflected his original intention and thus mantain continuity with the rest of the movie's timeline. So, in this regard, Lucas has CGIed all his movies he ever made. At least the classics.
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Lucas didn't personaly directed Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi but the movies are fully his. It's not their movies, it's Lucas. Fully his. Those two guys didn't farted without Lucas saying so. Deal with it.
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Is what he should rename it to. And that scene also needs the Emperor to scream "NOOOOOOOOOO!" When Vader is casually tossing him down the tunnel. Hell make Luke also scream "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" They could all scream it in unison.
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Did they always blink? It looks like they have added CG blinking eyelids... http://www.megaupload.com/?d=J3H7FK6I
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Fuck just thinking about that line makes me hate Phantom Menace a bit more.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST
how many of the 'I have the laserdisc' camp really have? Its one step from Harry and his 'I have a 16mm print of this' bullshit
by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm
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So which format do the OTC exist untouched? Can't remember where he started Fucking with these films. Is the original Video release untouched? If so I have that. Is the laserdisk release untouched too? May be the ONLY way now. Will have to check. Note to George, Since concieving the OTC is the only decent thing you've ever done, please leave it alone. The worst thing an artist (I use that term reservedly) can do is keep taking a picture off the wall and fiddling with it, you have to know when to STOP!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST
Digitally change The Emperor to Lo Pan, and then I think we can call this one a masterpiece.
by Matt Owen
Also, I think adding Care Bear symbols to the Ewoks' tummies would be super cute. They could ultimately bring the Empire down with the power of love.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST
You know there is a simple solution to this problem....
by theblackvegtable
STOP BUYING EVERYTHING HE SELLS YOU FUCKHEADS!!!!
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The most intensely boring character in Star Wars.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST
'I wish I could wish away my feelings.....' Fucking change that Lucas Jeezuz!
by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm
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they are the original theatrical versions which have been enhanced only in their technical aspect.better picture quality,better sound quality,better subtitles,etc. Their source is the Bonus DVDs which contained the original theatrical movies,which in return were ripped from the Laserdisc editions.
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Please someone do this! It would be better than what Lucas has (supposedly) sanctioned here.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST
Wait until the 3D cinema releases. Nipples on Stormtroopers. CGI Chewbacca. Alec Guiness replaced with a CGI Ewan McGregor mocap mashup........
by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST
As Luke cradles a dying Annakin Skywalker on Death Star II he sings
by Samuel Fulmer
Oh my papa now. It was something Lucas was unable to do back in 1983 when he was stading behind Richard Marquand making sure Marquand didn't make a good movie like Kershner did with Empire, but now with the magic of Bluray dreams come true!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST
In the 80s and 90s i grew the resent George Lucas' influence on modern cinema, and by that meaning his Star Wars movies. I grew to resent those movies.
by AsimovLives
I grew to resent the Star Wars movies and their influence in Holywood. I resented the unedning adoration the man had from the SW fans and from any and every movie fan as well. i saw the growing of the SW fandom with suspicion. So many great movies out there to be love,d and yet the geekdom was singleminded fixated on SW to the exclusion of almost everythign else. SW considered the greatest acheivements in cinema. Fuck's sake, was i pissed off with all that shit. Nowdays, i just want to fall in the floor laughing at the melodrama that cames from the desilusioned SW fanboys. It makes me want to say "TEACH YOU RIGHT! Teach you right to have put all your eggs into one single basket, the Sw basket. teach you right! You should had known better! You fault". I so want to say that. SW was never the greatest achievement of cinema. SW was never a grandiose masterpiece to end all masterpieces. Lucas was not a god of cinema. And now you know. now you fucking know. Or rather, you still don't. There is another lesson you have yet to learn: Lucas is neither a god or a devil, but a human being with a creative spirit which waves about up and down with times, just like EVERY OTHER CREATIVE PERSON WHO EVER LIVED. And SW are neither marvelous pieces of cinematic perfection (original SW) or the devil's own shit (the prequels). They are mere adventure movies done with great professionalism, inovative techical achievements, some very inspirated decisions and an eye to market. That's what SW is. About time that shit starts to sink in.
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Where the heck is that in the movies?
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The worst thing an artist (I use that term reservedly) can do is keep taking a picture off the wall and fiddling with it, you have to know when to STOP!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST
I have had enough of you? aint that Star TREK 3?
by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm
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is the sound I make as Uncle George ever so gently rapes my childhood.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST
He should replace the prequel trilogy with fucking nothing. just remove them from existance.
by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm
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Click through to the video and look at the comment from the poster. He added the "No" himself. It is not from the Blu-Ray. DUMB!
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RELAX, ALL! It is a hoax - confirmed. by henryviii
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You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between civility and respect.
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You also seem to have a problem understanding the difference between respect and subservience.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 9:08 a.m. CST
a hoax? oh my god its like some sort of viral campaign to get a bit of free publicity for the Blu Ray releases! they are such devious little scamps!
by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm
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NOT buying them isn't going to hurt him. There are millions of people who just don't care and won't even notice the changes and will just blindly buy anyway. But they CAN'T buy what ISN'T there! I'm stealing my blu-ray box set, just to watch the deleted scened (you know the original ones, not the new bullshit). If I get caught I'll be like a martyr for a cause. FREE THE TRILOGY. BY STEALING THE TRILOGY!
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That's from the other SF big franchise called Star trek. But i understand your confusion, since JJ Abrams mannaged to merge both with his penultimum movie.
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The damn Sith can do anything (see SW 1 - 3), so why didn't he fly back up the tunnel to the stars and kick Darth Vader's ass, and fry both father and son as a twofer?
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So what is to be done with this idiot, slack-jawed Nordling? What a piece of shit to post something that is obviously fake. I guess we know who didn’t go to college and learn proper journalism skills. WOW! What a nasty, petty turd.
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The Empire Strike Back is a brilliant film. For the genre that it is in (action adventure) it is probably right at the top. The problem with a lot of people (especially pre-prequels) is that because that film is so brilliant, they kind of attached the same feelings to the other two Star Wars films that Lucas had a much more heavier on-set hand in (the first one obviously because Lucas directed it, and the second one that from a lot of accounts Lucas ghost-directed). I don't think it's a coincadence that the film that Lucas had the least on-set influence ended up being the best one.
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The rest of my comment was Frank Frazetta use to mess with his painting until his wife locked up his museum. We need to get George's MMA daughter to Guillotine his head off.
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STOP POSTING NEGATIVE CRAP AND INVESTIGATE THIS! IDIOTS!
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It was powerful when Vader said nothing. Lucas ruined it...again. I hope they come out with the original versions on a premium format someday that doesn't have all Lucas' b-sh!+ tweaks, because he has gone out of his way to ruin something special. Maybe that was his plan, who knows?
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Someone else is suggesting that line is in a Star Wars movie. I don't remember it. I don't remember it in "Star Trek" either, but the fact that you do, if it exists, is... well... weird.
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It's not a hoax. The guy has said that he used the audio from the BluRay (the audio clip itself has been leaked) and dubbed it over his own copy of the scene. This is not a hoax. People who've seen the BD have said as much themselves. This is NOT a hoax.
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It's NOT fake. The audio from this moment that has leaked is real. What we have seen is synched up to the 2004 DVD version video. The audio is from the Blu-ray.
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I'm curious about this GOUT version. Where do you get it?
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Aug. 31, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST
"Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy." THX-1138 was prophetic, it predicted the emergence of the blind consumers which are the SW fanboys. Lucas saw deep into human nature and made a profit from it. Well played,
by AsimovLives
It took the fanboys 30 years to wise up. But like trained dogs, they can't go back on their conditioning and act differently. They will still buy compulsively, regardless of their desilusionement. You profit is still assured, Mr Lucas. SW is still the cow to milk, and the fanboys are the teat.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST
And no I'm not saying that Irvin Kershner is some kind of great director either
by Samuel Fulmer
I just think he got the materials he was given by Lucas (the sets, the budget, the actors, the script, the cinematographer) and just ran with them. He knew how to perfectly merge the real with the operatic. And he also knew when to say, well here's what George wants to do, but I think it could work better this way (like letting Ford ad-lib during the carbon freeze scene).
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If thats real I giveup.
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Yeah but confirmed by *who*?
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I have the bluray and have seen it for myself. The youtube video is a mockup of what HAS been done with the bluray. With the ACTUAL audio from the bluray that had been leaked. Love you idiots who say "READ THE ACTUAL DESCRIPTION" and only manage to read half of it yourselves. In any event, the bluray rip is out there for those of you that can think for yourselves. The rest of you will find out in mid-September....
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Hey, he created Vader and Indy, after all. BUT i´m not buying this. Sorry.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST
Hey. At least he had the sense to take the scream back out of
by proevad
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He had the sense to take the scream out of Empire. Maybe he will see that this doesn't work either. Give him some time.
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I'm voting Raiders by a smidgen.
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Only the dummies put him on a pedestal for him to fall off. I never did. He was filmmaker that made some movies I love, no big deal. I never romanticized or mythologized anything he did. He’s a guy with a cool imagination. That’s all. He’s not a hero to me, self-advancement has nothing to do with “HEROISM.” I respect him, slightly idolized him and still do for what he’s accomplished. I don’t mind the tinkering, I love the prequels too. What I admire most is he took a tiny little idea and turned into a billion dollar empire. He has lived the American Dream. I love that, I love that from anyone. I don’t get the hate, I won’t succumb to it and I wont participate in slamming a dude who is responsible for so many fantastic childhood movie memories. I will continue to be grateful for the wild imagery and fun times he’s given me and my friends and family. And to fall for this fake story is pathetic. I feel sorry for each and everyone of you bitter souls who actually thought it was legitimate and didn’t even bother checking it out. SAD.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST
Here is an idea: Product Placement. Lucas could make trillions
by KilliK
by advertising various products which will be added,with the clever use of cgi,in various parts of all six films. Here are some examples: In Mos Eisley Luke is drinking a Coca-Cola. His speedpod is a GM brand model. R2D2 instead of talking through beeps,he is communicating by playing the latest hits from popular singers like Lady Gaga,Katy Perry,etc The big viewscreen in the Death Star has the brand SONY beneath it. The X-Wings pilots could have logo stickers with the Lockheed Martin brand on their helmets. C3PO could have logo stickers of the AMD,INTEL brands in his butt. Lobot's headphones could become Ipod futuristic headphones which he uses to listen to music downloaded from Itunes. The possibilities of product placement are unlimited. In fact i am suprised that Lucas,the genius businessman that he is, hasnt think of doing that already.He could become three times the rich man that he is already.
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Go and check out the bluray for yourself before you claim it is "FAKE". And for those bitching about the changes, don't buy it. Just don't think that will make any difference to the overall sales of them.
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That;s even more retarded! Man you people are dumb! Where is the video to the 2011 blus? This makes no sense! How do we even know it's from the blu? Where is the video to sync with this audio? Stop posting lies people!
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...I don't have SW, never claimed to. DO have the Indys though, and the "making ofs" he'll never re-release.
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Mostly because Raiders works as a standalone film, Empire not so much.
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Then come back and kneel before me.
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the first result you get is a torrent link with the whole trilogy.download that.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST
I don't really get how this is the deal breaker though
by Samuel Fulmer
But bad CGI Dinos in Mos Eisley, Hayden Christensen ghosts, Outback Steakhouse Boba Fett, Greedo shooting first, horrible CGI not even up to Sega Saturn standards Jedi Rocks musical sequence, goofy Yanni score added to the end of Jedi,etc................... WEREN'T.
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...but Empire is still a class act. Lucas must have been phoning it in, because someone accidentally made a great movie when his back was turned.
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Then wouldn't we have seen the *real* footage uploaded by now, not these videos where someone has synced the audio to old footage?
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a friend of mine downloaded it yesterday and yes the scene has been changed with the NO yelling.
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For the uninformed he did this with three films which he directed, the first released in 1999 called The Phantom Menace, the second released in 2002 called The Attack of the Clones, and the third in 2005 called The Revenge of the Sith.
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My daughter is named Indiana. And it ain't because we're Hoosiers fans.
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Hard to see "real" footage without LOOKING.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmW3JsRXBG8
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I have the SW laserdiscs and they look like crap. Sound is good, pic is fuzzy and the colors are out of wack. These blu-rays will be a nice addition.
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...seems almost akin to Tibetan buddhist sand painting, in which elaborate, beautiful artworks are created and destroyed. Is George perhaps trying to teach us something about the impermanence of existence? No, probably not.
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To make episodes 4,5 & 6 just as bad as 1,2 & 3 so people stop saying how much better the originals were. Lol.
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This is awful. The lunatic is turning these films into something that MST3K would make fun of! This is B, C or D movie crap!!! I hate you, George Lucas. You and the small animal you keep in your neck.
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This is awful. The lunatic is turning these films into something that MST3K would make fun of! This is B, C or D movie crap!!! I hate you, George Lucas. You and the small animal you keep in your neck.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST
Why not over dub Curly from the 3 stooges going WOOB! WOOB! WOOB!
by Cinemajerk
Thag would be a much better yell to scare away the sand people.
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I love my Saturn, and when you consider the alternative at the time was PS1, the graphics were MUCH better. Just difficult to code for, and piss poor advertising, and no Sonic launch title. Fony were lucky Sega dropped the ball on that one, the world would be a different place now. Play NiGHTS into Dreams and tell me that's not better than ANYTHING on Fony PiS1. Please, drop the Sega hating. This is a Lucas hating forum! (BTW, as far as I can tell the only Sega Star Wars game for home consoles EVER was Star Wars 32X. THERE'S a reason to hate George Pukas!)
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"Give a monkey control of its environment, and it will fill the world with bananas." (Actually, it's paraphrasing a line from an old 'Doctor Who' episode) Anyway, seems to me George Lucas (like Gene Roddenberry) was and is a decent idea man, but actually isn't much of a storyteller, artist or even entertainer. I'll give him a few points. I actually like "THX 1138" a lot, and "American Graffiti" deserves the praise it gets. And the original "Star Wars" (the only film of the original trilogy he directed himself) is a brisk, fun piece of Hollywood action filmmaking at its finest. However, it seems like he is thoroughly unaware of his own limitations, or the fact that many of his ideas are flat-out wrongheaded. Is he even aware that his best movies involved critical collaborations (Spielberg directing "Raiders" on one hand and Irvin Kershner handling "Empire" on the other). Unfortunately, we're pretty much stuck with his "vision" of Star Wars until he's dead and buried, and hopefully smarter heads prevail and restore his legacy to what actually works.
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Can you confirm its a hoax? I understand the youtube footage has been cobbled together, but there seems to be an awful lot of evidence out there that the 'Noooo' has been added.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST
RedMediaLetter needs to make a new review about these Special Editions
by KilliK
and explain to the average SW fan,why these changes like the NO yelling here,have completely ruined the Original movies.Maybe then some fans will finally defennding Lucas.
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Sorry, but come on their version of Virtua Fighter and Daytona looked bad compared to Tekken and Ridge Racer on the PS1. BUT....BUT...BUT....when it came to 2-D Capcom ports (which sadly mostly were Japan only exclusives), the system kicked the PS1 to the curb. But let's be honest, most of the 3-D games on Saturn looked awful (sure there were a couple like Panzer Dragoon, and even Virtua Fighter 2 that looked good), but overall not in the same league as the PS1 in that category.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST
BTW-I consider the Dreamcast the greatest system of all time
by Samuel Fulmer
Still holds up to this day. Too bad it only lasted a couple of years, but oh what a couple of years it was.
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...after all, we as consumers are being told we are buying Star Wars. NOT Star Wars Remastered. Cd's are labeled remastered or remixed when they have been. DVDs are marked edited, director's cut, extended cut as well so you know what your getting. It's false advertising if it's not marked as such. With Star Wars, you never know.
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Well, over on Dark Horizons, for one. Actually not as bad as feared, though I do miss the red trunks.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST
You do realize that PS1's hardware was actually made by Nintendo,right?
by KilliK
so bashing PS1 as hardware goes, is like bashing Nintendo. Now if you ask me Dreamcast was the only gaming system which deserved a lot more that it got.anyway.
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LIKE I ALWAYS SAID : "STAR WARS SUCKS"
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Lampers, hate to break it to you but the Saturn ended up as a footnote in gaming history. Only 10 million sold, a fraction of the Genesis, and pathetic in comparison to the Playstations 100 million plus units. It's cool that you remember it with rose tinted glasses but to say it had a superior games line up than the PS is just a joke. Going into the Nineties it was also shit for 3D. Like the Untouchables it brought a knife to a gunfight. And it got pwned.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 10:16 a.m. CST
And now that we've come to a point where it's come to Sega on a Star Wars talkback
by Samuel Fulmer
I wish that we could get a port of the Star Wars Trilogy Arcade game that you used to see at every movie theater about 8-10 years ago. It seems like it would be the perfect Wii game, or dump it on X-Box Live.
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I don't agree with it, but I understand why George did it. In Epsiode III, Vader finally turns himself totally over to the dark side with that horrible "Noooo!" Now, in Episode VI, he turns himself back to the good side with the same phrase. That HAS to be the logic, although I'm sure we'll hear something from George that says "we always intended to ADR that in there, but ran out of time."
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saumel fulmer, there is a new Star Wars game coming on the Xbox 360, Star Wars Kinect. However it's been delayed. Like most Kinect games, seems it doesn't really work very well.
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...I loved the N64 but my Wii continues to gather dust. And YES I had a GameCube and have a large library of 3" discs also gathering dust. Funnily, Nintendo are slowly turning into Fony. They've opened the flood gates on their quality control and now "approved by Nintendo" means exactly squat. Sega never had this problem. And as for dreadful polygons on Saturn, yeah some of that's true. Again, difficult system to code for and most developers never tried too hard (LucasBobbleHeads were guilty). Dreamcast was greatest gaming system ever. Fact. I still loved my Saturn though :)
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Aug. 31, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST
sathyajk, just because he can doesn't mean he should
by VermithraxPejorative
Seriously, Lucas might have the legal right to change it because it's his movie but it's morally the wrong thing to do. When an artist creates a work, it becomes a part of mass conciousness. If SHakespeare wanted and could, he might come back and change the ending of Macbeth to a happy one where everyone gets drunk and dance, but would it be wrong to do so? My answer is YES. People who say "it's his movie, he can do what he wants" have a pretty simplistic view of how art works and is appreciated. THis is one of the worst changes, and star wars is the reason I love film. Now this who thing is a mess. All the films are FUBAR.
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The world is going to fucking hell, because the rich and powerful have figured out how to make the middle class poor and stupid, and out of work and dependent on the rich to just survive. And the big topic of debate is not how to take to the streets and protest this destruction of the middle class -but whether or not an added "No" to a Star Wars film is real or fake. God Damn It. So, the world is in deline because of this "No" and George Lucas is the cause of all evil because he likes to make changes to his movies? Geez, he made changes to the original Star Wars during it's initial theatrical run!!!!!
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Jabba Palace Gate, Podracer in Jabbas palace: http://bit.ly/oJBTkB R2 behind more rocks: http://bit.ly/q7ebd8 Blinking Ewok: http://bit.ly/mZrMCj
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I KNOW it got pwned by Fony, and in retrospect I'm glad. Because it's personal and it's mine now and it's not out there getting raped like... ...and suddenly we're back on topic.
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I love these changes just for the entertainment value of watching fresh venom being spewed into the face of George Lucas by overzealous fans that have denounced him since Episode 1 and Jar Jar Binks arrived on the scene. I mean, I'm not buying these Blu-Rays, still have my old pristine laserdiscs of the OT. I would be forgiving if, and only if, he fixed the whole 'Greedo shoots 1st' thing. That is the one and only thing that I find totally unforgiveable. The rest is just subtle detail BS, IMO.
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i just know it.
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All I know is the latest robot chicken starwars contains the best starwars anything I've seen in years. Vader trying to go to the bathroom rules. Beating an ewok to death was so funny I almost cried.
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When Vader's mask comes off before dying, he's got the japor snippet tied around his neck. Nah, just kidding.
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Virtual Cop 2 with 2 guns on Saturn still destroys any gun game on wii. Except arguably goldeneye for wii. But I solved it. You can still have fun shooting guys in the crotch twin gun style forever
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I like the way Luke looks up as Dad throws the Emporer over the side, like he was just pretending to be in pain and then something happened to fuck up his plan.
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Lucas is a one hit wonder. What else has he done? At least Spielberg gets his name on every project imaginable and isn't afraid to be linked to something shitty. Lucas is just a stupid dick. Plain and simple.
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The changes Lucas keeps making are no surprise, and should be no surprise to anyone. Idiots think the changes are becase he is greedy. I just presume he is fussy, a filmmaker who was dissatisfied that the images in his head did not entirely translate to the screen - he says: STAR WARS IS ABOUT 25% OF WHAT I WANTED IT TO BE. IT'S REALLY STILL A GOOD MOVIE, BUT IT FELL SHORT OF WHAT I WANTED IT TO BE. Below - from the 1977 Rolling Stone interview with Paul Scanlon (All caps are the interviewer, and I also spot capped some of what Lucas says that explain all the changes): BACK IN CALIFORNIA LAST SUMMER YOU WERE AGAIN UPSET. YOU SAID THE ROBOTS DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT. ARTOO LOOKED LIKE A VACUUM CLEANER. YOU COULD SEE FIFTY-SEVEN SEPARATE FLAWS IN SEE THREEPIO, YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE LIGHTING, EVERYTHING SEEMED LIKE IT WASN'T COMING TOGETHER. WAS IT COMING TOGETHER? Well, for one thing, by the time we got back to California I WASN'T HAPPY WITH THE LIGHTING ON THE PICTURE. I'm a cameraman, and I like a slightly more extreme, eccentric style than I got in the movie. It was all right, it was a very difficult movie, there were big sets to light, it was a very big problem. THE ROBOTS NEVER WORKED. WE FAKED THE WHOLE THING AND A LOT OF IT WAS DONE EDITORIALLY. HOW? Every time the remote-control Artoo worked it turned and ran into a wall, and when Kenny Baker, the midget, was in it, the thing was so heavy he could barely move it, and he would sort of take a step and a half and be totally exhausted. I could never get him to walk across the room, so we would cut to him there and cut to a close-up, and cut back so that he would be over here. It is all really movie magic more than it was anything else. THAT'S WHY IT'S AMAZING BECAUSE WHEN I SAW THE FILM I WAS SURPRISED. I COULDN'T SEE ANY SEAMS. SO I WENT TO SEE IT AGAIN AND MAYBE SAW A COUPLE OF SEAMS, BUT THAT WAS IT. I CAN SEE NOTHING BUT SEAMS. A film is sort of binary -- it either works or it doesn't work. It has nothing to do with how good a job you do. If you bring it up to an adequate level where the audience goes with the movie then it works, that is all. It is a fusion thing and then everything else, all of the mistakes don't count anymore. WELL, THE STAR WARS AUDIENCE HAS NO TROUBLE SUSPENDING DISBELIEF. Right. If a film does not work, then you can do an impeccable job with making the movie. People still see the mistakes, and they get bored and it just doesn't work. And so what can you say? THX was about 70% of what I wanted it to be. I don't think you ever get to the point where it is 100%. Graffiti was about 50% of what I wanted it to be but I realized that the other 50% would have been there, if I just had a little more time and a little more money. STAR WARS IS ABOUT 25% OF WHAT I WANTED IT TO BE. IT'S REALLY STILL A GOOD MOVIE, BUT IT FELL SHORT OF WHAT I WANTED IT TO BE. And everyone said, "Well, Jesus, George, you wanted the moon for Chrissake, or you wanted to land on Pluto and you landed on Mars." I think the sequels will be much, much better. What I want to do is direct the last sequel. I could do the first one and the last one and let everyone else do the ones in between. Yeah, Yeah. So you still think the changes he keeps making ruin the films. Ok, fine. But it is his story to tinker with. Boo hoo. If he makes money with these changes included, is he an asshole for making the changes, are the people who keep SPENDING MONEY on his films, instead of just watching the changes FOR FREE, chumps? Neither.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST
=Virtual Cop 2 with 2 guns on Saturn still destroys any gun game on wii.=
by KilliK
word.
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Was a post-credits scene where Hitler, after finding out that the Americans had taken possession of the Ark, staggers across the room before letting out one big NOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Aug. 31, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST
Hasn't that dragon call been changed twice before already?
by sapno_krei
If that new audio is real, it sounds an awful lot like some random guy making funny noises into a cheap podcast mic.
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"Maybe we can sue." False advertising? Really- even though all the changes are being trumpeted EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK? You really aren't that dumb, are you?
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Maybe my compass is off, or I've just come to expect this kind of useless tinkering from Lucas, but while the new Vader stuff changes the tone of the scene, it doesn't really ruin it for me. Obi Wan's new scream is RIDICULOUS though.
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erm...Indiana Jones, THX 1138, American Graffiti, THX sound, Jar Jar was the precursor to Gollum, digital camera technology... ...and all you've done is a massive shit.
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People here are talking Star Wars, and you want to dwell on Superman's cock? Hmmmm...
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I think GL is messing with the original Trilogy to make his Prequels appear better. Rather than adding "NoooOOOOoooo" into Return of the Jedi, GL should've taken out the "NoooOOOOoooo" from Revenge of the Sith. That would've made ROTS a lot better.
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is for that Jedi Rocks singer to suddenly walk into that scene with a comical "UH OH!" when Vader throws the Emperor down the shaft. The circle would finally be complete. Actually Lucas should insert the "Uh Oh" CGI muppet into every big scene, to you know, give an "uh oh" when Kenobi dies etc.
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The link at the top of this page is a FAKE. FACT!
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wouldn't Lucasfilm go out of its way to squash it on YouTube? AND if this was real, wouldn't we be seeing more clips of other shots or sounds surface on YouTube from the Blu-Ray? I spent over an hour surfing YouTube last night and only found fan-made manipulations. From what I am reading about these two clips is that the "video" is NOT from the blu-ray and the "audio" is fan-made approximations of what these fans claim to have heard from a sneak preview. If they are real, I am definitely disappointed. I had only convinced myself two weeks ago to BUY the blu-rays but now I am retreating. If this is some hoax meant to sabotage potential Blu-Ray sales, it is doing an outstanding job. I mean, we're seeing crappy covers (fine as fan-made art, but crap as official cover art), we're not getting a theatrical cut (or equivalent) that almost every fan of the series has begged for, and now the very cues we love and have loved for ~30 years are being messed around with. It's like suddenly changing all the jokes in Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail... or the lyrics to all the songs in The Sound of Music. Sure, enhance the movie, clean it up, but recognize where going too far may ruin what before-hand might have been seen as cinematic perfection.
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And you refuse to seek it out. I guess you'll see in two weeks. Sebulba (or lookalike) also in ROTJ when Luke arrives at Jabba's palace.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST
Basically you need to kill the alien/demon hybrids who own our planet and moon.
by UltraTron
That's what Lucas is trying to tell you with his alterations. We have to obtain their tech Johnny Goodboy Tyler style and head out for complete galactic control.
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...this is a Saturn topic now! It may well be fake, but the fact we all fell for it shows how little we trust him. I just hope the other beard keeps him away from the Indy blus. But the decision to release deletes scenes I fully approve of, please let's see some more vintage Indy loveliness. And lolz to the crotch-shot. Must get me some Virtua Fighter 2!
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That's all that matters. Small children are always the final arbiters of what it good/not good. Fart!
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So, you have proof this is all a fake? Will you apologize if it is not fake? Or just slither away, as almost all of those here who are proven wrong? You seem so sure of yourself - based on what, exactly? Fake, real, doesn't matter to me - but your certitude is rather odd. For that matter, what is your opininon on global warming? Or the existence of God, for dog's sake? And who really killed JFK? You are a funny, funny man....
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Is exactly what the original uploader said it was- a mock up containing the NEW audio and the OLD video, both of which are "real". Don't try to make this argument about the original video now that you know you are wrong about the FACT that the NOOOO is in the Blu Ray.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST
How did Luke go from getting his ass whooped in Empire to immediately being super cocky Jedi in ROTJ?
by seansarto
Are there deleted scenes which explain this mysterious transformation?
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They are in book form called "Shadows of the Empire".
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...ugh, this forum needs an unlike button.
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Greedo shoots his load first.
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Where starwars cinematic visions of complete perfection graced the silver screen. Where your imagination filled in the blanks after you had seen just a stormtrooper sitting on a giant lizard. Your imagination told you this was a universe so vast and amazing that battles were fought on these beasts alongside the power of antigravity. A rich and diverse universe where your imagination had room to embellish and make the films more personal because you could interpret some things for yourself. Spelling everything out to the letter always spoils the pot
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Your going to give him credit for Jar Jar and sound technology that would have been created anyway? I give him zero credit for Indy. American Graffitti? Please. THX? Im suprised he hasn't remade that one too. Maybe b/c it sucks just fine the way it is. No need to tinker. Give me one thing that he has done ON HIS OWN. Oh, and fuck u Lucas.
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The video is not from the blu-ray, I just synced up the leaked audio clip with existing video.
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Now THAT was funny!!! Thanks for making me laugh today - I needed a good one, after reading all the "is it real or fake" faux controversy that just, somehow, REALLY, REALLY matters.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST
Neckpouch won't be happy until the OT sucks as hard as the Prequels
by THE_CHOPPAH
FUCK YOU, NECKPOUCH!!!
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The videos going around have ALL been uploaded by a youtube account called WideAsleepFilms. If you go back and look at their history of uploaded videos, they’ve made a habit of updating effects and doing tests in After Effects using the Star Wars universe.
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He discovers that, reads half of it, and thinks he's discovered that it's a fake. When he sees the rest of it, he gets confused and thinks it must all be "fake".
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http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/32052
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Aug. 31, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST
Problem is Lucas has Been Living, Breathing, Eating, Shiting and Fucking Star Wars His Entire Adult Life
by Jack Desmondi
No wonder he can't stop fucking around with Star Wars. Other than a pit stop with Indy--which Spielberg pretty much led anyway--that's all he does. Lucas probably sleeps in Star Wars jammy's and has his black wife dress up like Princess Leia when they do the nasty.
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While I was joking about suing, not labeling it as remastered or Director's cut does seem wrong. Believe it or not, not everyone reads the internet. So I'm sure someone will not know what they are buying and get pissed at what they purchased.
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at the Marin county mall. There's nothing for him to do in marin but go to the mall. There are no theme parks or anything worth a shit around there. No gambling. Only one halfway decent theater where he saw the road to el diablo or whatever that cartoon was. There's a good steakhouse. Lucas should move to Orlando where he would be much happier. At least there's something for his bored ass to do. Then maybe he'd stop fucking around in his garage of movie tinkering madness. Move to Orlando and build the starwars galaxy at disneyworld. Live in bay hill and actually have somewhere to go during the day George. I've lived everywhere you've lived George. Trust me. You will be happier. I was always supposed to be your right hand man George. I would have steered you perfectly. History has proven me right time and again on this point. I would have cast Jim Cavezal as young anakin. He was jesus. He would have been knightly and honorable. It would have been a true fall from grace. You have turned vader into a child murderer. Let's not forget planet destroying accomplice. There is no redemption from that. The no just adds to the hilarity
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Except HE HAS tinkered with THX, dope. I loved the original version, and the changes he made were pretty damn cool. You say, "give me one thing he has done on his own"? Huh? He did all of it on his own. You, I think REALLY ARE that stupid. And you didn't like American Graffiti? Boo hoo for you. Try thinking before you blather, you might not sound so fucking stoopit the next time: (cue generic talkbacker "eat shit and die "response # 1138) Changes to THX: The 2004 "George Lucas Director's Cut" contains several updated and CGI- expanded sequences: The mosaic at the beginning of the film has been color treated and looks more like a bank of monitors. The droid factory at the start of the film has been greatly expanded with CGI and we see much more detail of the creation of droids. Many shots of the "city" have been greatly expanded with much more detail. Several corridors in the film have been extended with more people. The "Mind Lock" sequence has been updated and now has much more shots of the droids being created and new eye effects on Robert Duvall. There is a never-before-seen shot of the police station. The train scenes at the end have been expanded with more special effects. The car chase scene is longer and more intense, with more CGI. THX is attacked by new CGI shell dwellers at the end on his way out. In the original release the movie includes a one minute clip from Things to Come (1936) before the opening credits. When re-released in the late-1970's this clip was replaced by a clip from the serial Buck Rogers (1939).
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Aug. 31, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST
Another Change More Tie Fighters Added to Battle in ROTJ
by eric haislar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fq4CH3I7SU&feature=player_embedded Go to to end of video to see.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST
Neckpouch needs an intervention by Marty Scorcese and The Film Foundation
by THE_CHOPPAH
and a lesson in film preservation and the importance of film history. F' U NECKPOUCH!!!
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Do you really think there is not going to be a media blitz detailing these changes? Basically, if you don't like the changes, and you somehow escaped not hearing about the changes before the purchase, just return it for a refund, if you are so damn dissatisfied. So....
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Aug. 31, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST
I'm the son you never had George. Come to me and all will be right.
by UltraTron
We can fix everything. We'll build the Starwars Galaxy at Disneyworld together. I'll never steer you wrong. I'll translate your intentions into palatable reality that everyone will adore. I'm your spirit guide. I'm your guru. I'm waiting.
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Thanks for confirming the tinkering with THX and proving my point even further. Lets mess with a movie that no one cares about like THX instead of writing or producing an original project. Great idea. And Lego Star Wars video games dont count. Lucas is fucking piece of shit hack. He has been cashing in and fucking with Star Wars for years and laughing all the way to the bank and by the way, he is NOT laughing with you.
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I dunno, looks like the same shot from ROTJ. Its one of my favorites and it doesn't seem to me there's anymore TIEs than what had been there before.
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... please god.
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It's real, the blur-ray torrent rips are all over the fucking net, everyone's confirmed the changes as REAL! it's not just from the youtube clip
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Why don't you guys put your heads together and make a complete ass out of yourself? Superbowl20 - May I remind you that Speilberg is not above the same kind of bullshit that Lucas is pulling or have you forgotten about rifles replaced by CGI walkie talkies in ET? Or a CGI Jeep plunging off a cliff in Last Crusade? t0ky0sexwhale - I'm with you on credit for Lucas for Indy and Graffitti and THX (The Movie) but giving him credit for the digital camera technology? That's being very, very generous. Plus there is absolutely zero positive to anything to do with Jar Jar. Zero. Also, how do you know that all Superbowl20 has done is massive shit? Granted, his opinion is shit but how do you know he is not Mike Ditka or Walter's Payton's corpse?
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For the record, I don't really care if any of these changes are real or not, but that "No" from Darth certainly sounds out of place, and hoax quality. But, to be fair, Nordling THINKS the change is real, and proceeds to pout about it, but does not confirm if is real. He only says "According to Badass Digest, this is confirmed." At worst, he is only reporting that another website thinks it is real. It is a form of reporting, but this type of reporting puts him on a (sub)par with Fox News Channel, when they say shit like "according to an unnamed (but reliable, yeah right) source in the White House"- which means thay made it up- because they are attributing the information to someone who doesn't exist.
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Chain of Fools
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I heard Lucas is releasing remastered Lego Star Wars for DS!! Complete with blinking Ewoks. But due to the size of the DS screen, you need a special THX magnifying glass to view. Also added with CGI technology, Jar Jar Binks penis...also need a magnifying glass to see it. THX magnifying glass available for 19.95 on the website: fuckyoustarwarsfanboys.imawhore.org BTW - Lucas sucks dick and always will.
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Huh?
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Dream is over is right....you must have been dreaming that Lucas was blowing you but actually he was blowing Obi Wan.
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Big Shiny Robot's take is the most even handed I've seen on any of the blogs. It's unfathomable to me that this is for real. As they point out, even if these changes were made how could the professionals at ILM and Skywalker Sound do something this hackneyed? I don't doubt there's a hi-def "leak" out there in the ether but how can anyone really know where it's from or if it's legit until they actually have a physical copy of the disks in hand. I'm a prequel fan and (for the most part) a fan of the 97 and 2004 SE's but if this is the real deal I'll be livid. I expect most true SW fans are exactly like me—we've put up with most of the changes over the years and we find a lot to enjoy in the prequels—but this goes too far. If it's phony Lucasfilm would be wise to address this ASAP or there will be a backlash like never before seen.
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Who doesn't love a good anal raping, right??? ... RIGHT?!?!?!
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If ewoks blink or not? If the chinless lumberjack Lucas cared about a good story as much as he cares about totally anal details like blinking ewoks the prequels might have been worth a shit. But he doesn't and tell aren't.
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That should read - "He doesn't and they aren't". I just pulled a "Lucas" on my own talk back comment. Fuck my life.
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Aug. 31, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST
I don't care if its real either, Unless they have confirmation this is real...
by ZodNotGod
Don't report as REAL. Its like that old trick we did in grade school. One unreliable website is all it takes.
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You say: If it's phony Lucasfilm would be wise to address this ASAP or there will be a backlash like never before seen. But, it's all free publicity, isn't it? Of course, we live in America, so the blu-ray release isn't charity, they want to make money. Real or not? But the discs to see!!!! Or, just wait a few weeks after release, and see and hear all the changes for free!!
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Well laid-out argument, finally some common sense. In theory the "leaks" of the blurays could be fake. EXCEPT The ROTJ that I downloaded has Sebulba in Jabba's castle, blinking CG-eyed Ewoks, and the gate of Jabba's palace is larger when R2 and Threepio arrive. So while the "Nooooo" could easily be faked, these other changes would be fairly difficult. Plus my source is very reliable and ripped the discs himself. There's also the tweaked lightsaber FX that have been well documented on StarWars.com that wouldn't be in an HDTV download. But, there's no way for me to prove any of that to you so I respect your argument.
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I would welcime a blowjob from Lucas for a couple of reasons --- Because he obviously owes me something for enriching my youth before he raped it and secondly because I imagine it would be a high quality BJ since Lucas has been sucking cock for decades.
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YES! Go to the youtube link, the poster said the NO added was done by him!....Duh. Yes- There is a God. JFK was killed by French hitman. Oswald was a patsy who did not have time to run up the stairs, get ready, aim and shoot and be back down the stairs in 6 minutes without being noticed and without being out of breath.
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He's like a kid picking at a scabby knee. Somebody tape mittens to his hands for Christ's sake!!
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Aug. 31, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST
I don't care if its real either, I just am sick of the sheeppeople
by ZodNotGod
not thinking for themselves and investigating a little.
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Nobody complains like this when an author goes back and revises his or her work on a highly regarded novel or story...actually, quite the opposite. The fans usually go into berserker geek collector rages and trip over each other to collect every single variant available... Like it or not, this is George Lucas' story. He created it. He had the vision, talent, and drive to get it made; and he can do whatever he wants to it, whenever it strikes his fancy to make a change... He doesn't owe the fans a fucking thing...period. If anything, all the super-obsessive Star Wars geeks out there OWE HIM for creating a reason for them to go on living each day...
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If they don't make it up themselves, they believe anything that comes down the pike. That's scary.
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fanboys debate who was the better actor - Gary Coleman or Jaleel White? Instead of - is the word "No" real or not?
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before, I could stomach the special editions...somewhat...I could sit there and still be wrapped up in the warm blanket of Star Wars goodness, and when a special edition change appeared, I'd slightly recoil, but then I'd quickly recover and sink back into the warm blanket. But this change...the Vader thing...I could see myself now, watching this crucial point IN THE ENTIRE SAGA, caught up in the drama of it all...and the "NO! NOOOO!" comes...I just...wouldn't be able to stomach it, in fact, I'd shut the movie off and toss the disc in the mircrowave, I'd be so angry. This is why I cannot buy these blurays, the changes now are just too unbearable, I wouldn't even be able to fake liking them.
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But just for Shites and Giggles I'd like to see GL release the original versions, untouched by revisions and additions. Sorta like what they did after New COKE bombed all to hades. Cripes I'm old...
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Han shot first!
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The videos going around have ALL been uploaded by a youtube account called WideAsleepFilms. If you go back and look at their history of uploaded videos, they’ve made a habit of updating effects and doing tests in After Effects using the Star Wars universe.
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Investigating a little? Exactly what investigating have you done to prove the change is fake? All you did was confuse yourself and then deny. Fucking moron. I've seen the changes with my own eyes with the touch-ups that have been well documented online for weeks (lightsaber FX, matte lines, etc).
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Aug. 31, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST