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Tron Talks TR3N!!
Merrick here...
Nothing too earth shattering here, but interesting all the same.
We've known for a while know that a third TRON film was in the works, given the reasonable success of TRON LEGACY and the presumed success of Disney XD's forthcoming TRON UPRISING cartoon show.
Nonetheless, it's been a while since we've heard anything about this new picture's status. So AICN reader Chris caught up with Bruce Boxleitner (Tron/Alan Bradley in the first two films) at the recent D23 and asked him about it.
Here's what Bruce had to say:
SPOILER RE: TRON LEGACY:
Hopefully we'll get to see some Tron the next time around. I "get" the concept of not seeing him too much in the recent movie, especially given the film's "LEGACY" subtitle, but I think it was a complete cop-out to only hear his voice and never to show his face once we learned the character was still around. A few minutes of ass-kicking (obvious) Tron wouldn't have hurt anything, and would've only served to elevate the picture's Geek factor.
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from Melissa Gilbert? That would have been far more interesting then a sequel to sequel no one wanted or wants.
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so will Tron 3
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That is all
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It may obliterate several of one's IQ points with its nonsensical plot, but I'm a supporter of the franchise and its humble beginnings at Caltech and that Journey song.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST
i too was waiting for an awesome Tron vs Clu showdown - complete with deaged Boxleitner
by CARTMANEZ
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I just hope the next one won't be as cold.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST
they should really have kept CG 1980s Bridges for in the grid only
by CARTMANEZ
and not used any CG Bridges the opening (just keep him in the dark in the opening and been satisfied with the 1980s footage for the news bit) that way it could explain why Clu didn’t look 'quite' there
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I loved Tron Legacy and so did my son. We saw it 3 times in the theater and bought the Blu-ray. Best looking and sounding Blu I own by far. I'm looking forward to any new Tron-related entertainment and NOTHING will change that fact. There's a loud minority that trashes Legacy but there's a huge silent majority that enjoyed the film and the high dvd sales prove that fact. Sorry haters.
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Showing how the grid transfer works both ways now, also letting a program into our world, is that going to be their aim now? Bringing the Smurfs to new y....ahem, I mean bringing the Programs to the city could just mainstream this into 'another' sci fi movie and not distinguish itself as Tron. It might be overdoing it to have it all in the Tron world again because we just were treated to it(and now used to it) in the last film, but if they bring it all into the real world, it won't feel 'Tron-ish'. What do you guys think? I too agree that Tron was underutilized in the sequel. Once I realized that he was in the movie, and the part that he was playing, it kind of ruined it for me. Not giving him a face made him even more fake feeling. Being a Jeff Bridges carried film, I'm sure they are going to find a way to bring back his character for the third film. It will probably just be a bunch of programs trying to attack/take over the real world. I guess I wouldn't mind if they made it where the programs tried to 'live' with us, creating tensions and showing peoples unacceptance of living alongside those whom they think aren't 'real'. Kind of a civil rights movement thing the programs would be looking for. In their eyes, this is a whole new world that they've never known. Imagine what is going through 'their' minds. They would be going through changes. In the real world, their bodies would start feeling hunger and aging. They would be confused but try to fit in, while of course, a certain handful of other programs would rebel, and believe they could take over the world as they have been successful at in 'their' cyber world. Good programs and humans vs bad programs wreaking havoc from city to city. Tron leading the human side to show that Programs can be trusted and will follow by the rules as humans must, showing faith to them by irradicating the bad programs. Oh my.....I better stop, this is getting ridiculous!
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at the end they find out the real world is a grid i guess the way the Grid-scape serges into the real world at the start of Tron 2 (plus at the start of the original Tron) is enough of a suggestion...
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Aug. 29, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST
I love how he says "my friend" while giving him the rush off
by DadTimesTwo
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Aug. 29, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST
Tron Legacys Vangelis/Inception/Dark Knight style soundtrack....
by CARTMANEZ
is on my cd playa right now bitches. it dosnt get no better
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Yes, Tron Legacy Blu-Ray is one of the best out there. On a large HD screen with surround sound blasting, that opening battle arena scene is BEAUTIFUL! Everything is so vibrant and it makes your hairs stand up as if you were really experiencing it with the crowd.
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3 people will get that joke.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST
dadtimestwo - yeah but that guy got called 'My Friend' by frickin TRON!
by CARTMANEZ
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And I'll raise it to "TR3N: How the Westworld was 01".
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I knew there would be a third film based on Cillian's scant amount of screen time in Legacy. You think he'd actually sign on for such a minor role? No. We'll see his character again.
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was so much better than most of you give it credit for. Love that movie. The first will always hold a special place in my little geek heart that can never be replaced, but Legacy was actually a very well put together film, considering they were rebooting a franchise after 2 decades. It could have been a Superman Returns. But it wasn't - though some of you like to say it was. I think you should watch it again without your "I'm going to hate this no matter what" glasses on. It was really well made, and I actually cared about the characters - which is something I cannot say for 99% of movies being made today.
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Tron: Legacy (Unlike Dark Knight) is a movie I like more and more every time I watch it.
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the grid-scape..Bridges voiceover...the Blade Runner/Vangelis style music kicking in with the massive 'TRON' in the cityscape...
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Nobody in meatspace ever gets that reference. Sigh.
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An ex-gf of mine worked as Melissa Gibert's personal assistant on a play she was in recently. She obviously dealt with Melissa Gilbert a lot, and met Bruce. She said Bruce Boxleitner is one of the coolest guys she ever met in her life. Melissa Gilbert was a total bitch. Then again, so was my ex.
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Bring 'Em Back Alive was a Bruce Boxleitner series about an adventurer that hunts dangerous animals if I remember correctly. Based on a real guy. It was another show that tried to capture some of the Raiders Of The Lost Ark crowd (as did the MUCH better show, Tales Of The Gold Monkey).
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST
listening to the TRON LEGACY soundtrack makes me want to buy a motorcycle and leathers and ride around a futuristic type city in the middle of the night .....
by CARTMANEZ
instead of typing about it on AICN in my darkened geekified bedroom :(
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Shoulda won the Oscar. Sorry Trent.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST
LOVED TRON 2!! LOL at the dopes who said it was "end of line"
by Behemoth
Go lick zombie taint, all of you who said there would never be a third TRON film, that it "flopped," etc. Now your failure is complete. Infidel defilers.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST
So who the hell was the guy defending Flynn in the flashback fight sequence?
by catlettuce4
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TRON: Legacy is an entertaining flick, and I'd like to see more stories set in this universe.
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If Clu's army had made it into the real world what would they have done? What was their plan? Would they have attacked cities? Would they have stood a chance against U.S. Marines and Navy Seals? I think the real worlds army would have destroyed the grid army in 5 minutes.
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I love the first Tron, and always will - yes, some of it is very awkward at times, but it is a classic, and extremely watchable still. I felt that Legacy came up with a concept, then sat-around for most of the time feeling the need to explain it. Any mysticism, any hope of us putting things together for ourselves, that was gone. There were cool sequences (the aerial sequence especially), and great characters (Olivia Wilde's Quorra is refreshing in her seeming innocence) and then were were moments and characters that went absolutely nowhere - why exactly was the nightclub sequence needed, other than it was perhaps an in-joke, to put Michael Sheen in yet another movie (I think he appeared in 99.9% of movies made 2009-2010!!). I don't hate Tron Legacy by any means (so please, don't drop the stupid "haters" crap on me), but I was somewhat underwhelmed.
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has AIDS
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I would like to see a TR3N!! Another slight irk was that yes, Legacy ends with the promise of more, especially from Tron himself. To have a third part, that maybe plays on the ideas and discussions in Legacy, and runs with it, giving us the kick we need - well, that would be worth it!!
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST
I always find celebrity signings to be kind of sad...
by WeylandYutani
The very nature of them is like an assembly line and it is clear that for many celebs, the repetition becomes monotonous. I even wonder if someone like Boxleitner cares about the film, other than it was a job. And I don't mean that as a slight against the man, it is just that most actors don't share the same enthusiasm for the material that fans do... where fans have had a memorable, collective experience, the actor on the other side of the table can only look at such a phenomenon with perplexing interest and even fear that they are going to get typecast. There are always exceptions of course. As an 8 year old I happened to see Gene Roddenberry and his wife in the Miami Airport. I didn't know who he was, but an older boy sitting in the lounge chair next to me knew who he was and pointed the couple out to me. We walked over to them and asked if "they were the ones who created Star Trek" and Roddenberry got this big smile on his face and said "Yes, yes I did." He took about 5-10 minutes to chat with us and to answer our questions. Majel Barrett, then gave us a couple of ST pins from her purse... I don't know if they kept a handful wherever they went to placate fans, or if they had just been to a convention in town, but I still have mine today. I guess the difference was that they were not sitting in a convention hall signing hundreds of head shots. However, it was pretty fantastic for an 8 year old to have (what felt like) a legitimate conversation with the guy who dreamed up the Enterprise and Kirk and friends.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST
clooneysceasarcut. We don't know what would have happened.
by Quake II
Maybe nothing would have happened or maybe lots of innocent civilians would have been killed. Perhaps time and space would collapse or the Grid soldiers would be superhuman in the real world. I think the point of that subplot was that Flynn was responsible for the Grid & Clu and whatever DID happen if Clu made it to the real world, it would have been Flynn's fault. We know that a few thousand soldiers armed with staffs and discs would be no threat to the US military but what if they were invincible in our world? They don't bleed, we know that.
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I kind of loved TRON: LEGACY. Kind of. I love -- LOVE -- the art direction, the world, the vibe. Neon noir. I dug the characters -- Ebert's review remarked that Sam should have been a 12 year old boy, because that's the level the adventure works on, and while I can see that, I, being in my early 30s, related to Sam as this stunted man-child. If there was a tear in the world, and someone/thing told me I was needed, I would, without hesitation, go. Even at 32, and fatter than an adventurer should me. I would surely die, but I would do it, because there's part of me that will always be 12, and would always take that chance when given. I loved Quorra (although she was given short shrift), and especially Flynn. I thought the story could have been better. These characters could have been given more interesting things to do. I felt my time with them was too short. The world is compelling, but too thinly sketched, and I wish it had taken into account everything that's happened with technology in the decades since the original. But. Still compelling and watchable. Beautiful. Fun. I hope for more with the next one.
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poo as in shite and not as the truly awesome Pooh bear. The whole film was a complete cop out and filming by numbers!
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Really enjoyed Tron Legacy - would love to hear another soundtrack by Daft Punk too. As for, signings........I was as at a tiny little toy fair in a backwater town and the guy who played Logray (ewok medicine man) was signing autographs, 5 pounds a pop - he was a right miserable fucker too.
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you're alright.
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Pronounced "Thron", as if you had a speech impediment. Are people still sore that the second film wasn't called "TR2N"?
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which they probably wont.
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Tron 2 was stupid.
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I saw it with a big group and everyone loved it. My daughter loves the movie. She loves listening the soundtrack all the time. And Tron wasn't even featured that heavily in the first movie, despite being the titular character. Half the haters say there was too much plot and not enough action. The other haters say it was a stupid action movie with no plot. Neither argument really holds that much weight.
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I agree they were setting him up for sequels. I imagine that Encom will someone get a copy of the source code for the Grid and reboot it, except they'll try to commercialize it for a profit. They'll ask everyone to jack into the Grid, inadvertently putting them all in danger. Queue up Sam Flynn and Quora to save the day.
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Tron Legacy was terrible...all flash, barely a plot to speak of that was interesting. It's definitely a pop culture film, which is not a good thing. Another pop culture film is Transformers just to give you a hint.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST
Oh, and the main character was Hayden Christensen bad...
by Billy_D_Williams
At least the first Tron had "the dude" as the lead, whos one of the worlds premiere actors... this one had a soap opera reject...oh, I forgot, we live in the era of the pretty boy lead actor...marketing is what sells movies, not quality...if the face looks good, people see it. if there's flash, people see it. if the lead chick is hot people see it. if there's tons of CGI people see it. The script is inconsequential.
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who have jack shit for taste in movies
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Aug. 29, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST
Tron Legacy/The Fast and the Furious/Twilight/Tranformers/Saw
by Billy_D_Williams
all in the same category of suck. Tron 2 was a great movie...if you have zero taste in films.
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Disliking a movie is one thing, but saying the star has aids? That is so far out of line it's not even funny. That shit is actionable in court and should not be allowed on this site.
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That's why he was only in the movie briefly in a flashback. How can they have more of a dead character? Idiot. This proves that Merrick is a coward and a fraud.
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just goes to show decent visuals dont make a great film. tron 2 was weakly dissapointingly scored being its main problem. also the 3d really, really sucked so badly that even in the 2D video version thier is ghosting LOL. especialy in the flashback scenes showing tron,clue and flynn. they should have left clue's identity a complete suprise and had a team up with tron and sam trying to find flynn. the romance also sucked as they come off as brother and sister and go in and out, one of the worst on screen romances wich this film needed to emotionaly involve the audience with sam and chora. pretty dissapointing, two cool scenes in the movie the boton twirling tim curray zeus character in the club and airplane light cycles cant make up for 15 min of fun in a hour and half of naseum. they really should have stuck with the original director and wendy carlos music and made sam more hero like (flynn didnt kill the programs wich made him heroic, sam just goes into it no problem lol). Id give it a c- although i want to give it a d+ lol. they really needed to make this film about 15 years ago lol. love tron 1. wish they would start young cgi'ing older stars and casting them with younger new ones and maybe sequaling old films instead of the reboots. tron2 is a reboot disguised as a sequel.
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just goes to show decent visuals dont make a great film. tron 2 was weakly dissapointingly scored being its main problem. also the 3d really, really sucked so badly that even in the 2D video version thier is ghosting LOL. especialy in the flashback scenes showing tron,clue and flynn. they should have left clue's identity a complete suprise and had a team up with tron and sam trying to find flynn. the romance also sucked as they come off as brother and sister and go in and out, one of the worst on screen romances wich this film needed to emotionaly involve the audience with sam and chora. pretty dissapointing, two cool scenes in the movie the boton twirling tim curray zeus character in the club and airplane light cycles cant make up for 15 min of fun in a hour and half of naseum. they really should have stuck with the original director and wendy carlos music and made sam more hero like (flynn didnt kill the programs wich made him heroic, sam just goes into it no problem lol). Id give it a c- although i want to give it a d+ lol. they really needed to make this film about 15 years ago lol. love tron 1. wish they would start young cgi'ing older stars and casting them with younger new ones and maybe sequaling old films instead of the reboots. tron2 is a reboot disguised as a sequel.
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They're making our universe....fabulous!
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You guys seem to forget that we did get one....and Clu one, thats how tron got to be in the position he was in. Sure we didn't get to see as much of it as we would have liked but still....Tron lost.
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We Did see Tron's face, and see him kicking ass for a bit in the flashback scene when Flynn is explaining how he built the new world. Did we not?
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I just read again and saw the "once we learned he's still around" stipulation.
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And I hope it's focused primarily on Quorra.
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.....the obvious here? TR3N THREESOME: CLU, SC3RECROW AND MRS K1NG. LOVED that show.
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It certainly appears that way. The quality of movies is suffering because studios are not looking to CREATE something, they are looking to market something. Its no longer about how can we tell the best story, its about how many people will pay to see our story regardless of what a pile of crap it is. I know Hollywood trying to rake in the cash isn't exactly a new concept, but over the last few years they seem to have really abandoned ANY attempt to make cash while delivering something with artistic merit. Vampires are making money..make a vampire movie. Action throwback movie are in you say? Crap out an A-Team. Comic book films the rage?, etc. There are still film makers and I believe some studios that are interested in trying to do better, but its definitely a case of a few diamonds in the rough.
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...or is there someone else special enough to think an O resembles a 3?
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Aug. 29, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST
subject should have appeared in quotes echoing billy d's comments
by Ted Knight
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Sad that Disney couldn't just leave Tron alone for what it was.
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Tron didn't die in the flashback, he got "repurposed" and was turned into the primary "assassin" program that was hunting down Flynn & his son. After he falls into the water you see his colors change from the signature "orange" of the administrative/security programs to the "blue" of the "citizen" programs. Did you even actually SEE the movie? Sheesh...
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Aug. 29, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST
listening to the TRON LEGACY soundtrack makes me want to buy a motorcycle, leathers and Rinzler helmet and ride around a futuristic type city in the middle of the night ..... with a hot Olivia Wilde/Megan Fox type babe riding on the back (in leathers too)
by CARTMANEZ
ahhh if only dat kind of shit would happen.... maybe if i win the lottery or my sci fi short story gets picked up and made into a hollywood A script i guess... until then i'll be AICing in my bedroom occasionally looking up at my Wrath of Khan and Superman II movie posters
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Aug. 29, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST
Tr2n was so much better than I expected. A million times better than any Bayformers shit.
by Carl XVI Gustaf
Bring on more Tron, as long as The Dude and Luke Macahan are in.
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Did I miss something here? In the flashback scene where it looks like Tron was killed by Clu, he was actually captured and later reprogrammed into Rinzler. At the end of the film he helps the heroes escape, and then he crashes his light jet into the ocean, if that's what that was. He is shown to be changing color, back to his original Tron blue, as he sinks but we never actually see him die.
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And yes, I was paying attention. It wasn't made very clear. Yeah, he switched his programming or whatever... but he was still sinking. In fact, if not for a third movie with Tron in it, I would go on assuming he died.
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Both Trons are fucked up and tripy sci-fi, and I love them both for it. This last one was a bit too drab...(orange and white, replaced red and blue? WTF??)
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the movie was a failure after all the marketing, hype, nostalgia etc...wasn't an Ishtar level failure but no doubt the movie did not do anywhere near as well as expected
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Aug. 29, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST
Yeah, Rinzler-Tron didn't die, he reverted back to blue in the Sea of Simulation
by NeonFrisbee
Yes, I'm a big enough nerd that I know that was called the Sea of Simulation. Btw, Tron: Legacy is MUCH better than it's given credit for. I think many of the criticisms are valid and the clunky exposition in the middle was problematic, but overall it was a cool flick and a worthy sequel, imo. Also, it looked and sounded AMAZING. I'd give it a B / B+.
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not too bad...similar to Batman Begins, Star Trek, Superman Returns etc but the studio were probably thinking more at least 500m what with it being the big xmas movie and 3D...plus it was dealing with vaguely similar themes to Inception and Avatar
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Aug. 29, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST
Yes, I'm a big enough nerd that I know that was called the Sea of Simulation.
by Mattman
And that's the thing, a lot of the audience isn't nerdy enough about Tron (myself included) to know these things without explanation. I'm sure the majority of people who saw it think Tron died right there.
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While the original Tron may be dated, it was far more ambitious in its design than the new film. It was more than just neon lights - the CGI landscape and the black and white photography made it an entirely different world. The Legacy design was too "real" - everyone, everything in living color, nothing looked appropriately artificial, it was just people and vehicles with neon highlights (and generally speaking, fewer of them than in the original film). I wanted them to push the boundaries, and instead they went for something pedestrian.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST
listening to the Tron Legacy soundtrack gets me excited for Blade Runner 2
by CARTMANEZ
and the awesome kind of sounds we'll be hearing Vangelis doing in that
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All movies are down and have been for a couple years now. People are being extremely cautious about what movies they take the family to now. Tron Legacy did ok business but would have done a lot better 3 years ago. Look at this summer. A "blockbuster" summer movie is now grossing around 55-65 million on opening weekend. A few years ago that would have been unheard of, but now studios are happy with a 55 million weekend. You'll get your Transformers 3 and Harry Potter franchise that still makes an insane amount of money but X-Men:FC, Green Lantern, Captain America, Popper's Penguins, Thor, ZooKeeper, Cars 2, Smurfs etc all made under 65 million on opening weekend. Box office is DOWN and will be for another year or two until we can get people back to work.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST
cartmanez, that stuff DOES actually happen in the real world
by Ted Knight
only it happens to the buff bro's with cut off Tee's and bandannas who are spending the majority of their time at the gym rather than on movie site message boards. I, sadly, deal with this depressing reality whilst jealously gazing out my bedroom window whenever I hear the roaring engine of their Kawasaki Ninjas with a Megan Fox like passenger with arms affixed passionately around douchebag broheim's six pack svelte waist, racing down my street. Good luck with the novel. Dreamers can dream, right?
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Fact.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST
Tron Legacy got better the second time I saw it... without distracting 3D
by Mattman
It's still very oddly paced, and the ending is goofy.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST
Userrrrrrrrr.....Good movie, with an awesome soundtrack.
by Arkhaminmate001
The remix of Derezzed....get any party started.
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Tron: Legacy, minus the soundtrack, was complete and utter crap. A truly terrible movie. Killed any all excitement I could possibly have for another one.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST
Enjoyed it. It would've been a better story without Flynn's son
by Dennis_Moore
(he obviously didn't matter since I can't recall his name), instead having Quorra be his only child or Tron's child, as she was vastly more interesting. Have it be her escaping to the real world, opposite of the first movie. Or have Cillian be the son; better actor.
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works very well sitting by the motorway just outside Reykjavik when the Northern Lights are showing. On repeat, quite drunk.
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I talked to him for around 10 minutes at an Electronic Entertainment Expo many years ago, as he was visiting the booth for the Tron 2 PC game (there with Cindy Morgan) and he was very friendly, quite conversational and enthused about the Tron property in general. He was still working on Babylon 5 at the time, but was looking forward to a day when Tron would come back to the big screen. This guy was in an autograph signing line, so the time is limited for talking - so anyone that says Boxleitner was blowing him off doesn't really understand what autograph signings are like.
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First off, you see plenty of Tron. You see him as Rinzler in the games in disc battle. You see him on a light-cycle quite a bit. You see him in flashbacks, and in the end. I thought it was telegraphed that Rinzler and Tron were the same since they both fought with two discs. As for him dying by sinking the Sea of Simulation, the entire Grid explodes and was wiped at the end. Tron effectively died right there, but as a program, he can be remade. And the guy who wrote him is still around to arguably improve upon Tron.
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Olivia Wilde did a great job conveying a young yet vastly intelligent creature who is as fascinated by our universe as we are by Tron's. I would like to see much more focus on her in the third movie. Flynn's son was alright... likable but not exactly memorable. I suppose he's a good entry point for the audience. They could do a lot more with him as he seems a bit empty.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST
stargrove - But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet. Tread softly because you tread on my dreams
by CARTMANEZ
yes one day i dream to be riding around a Tronlike cityscape on an ultra expensive motorbike, MeganFox or (ideally) Sophia Loren type girl on back arms around me....driving past a multiplex the latest 300m 3D movie based on my SF story adapted by Boborci ...Tron Legacy playing on my fancy ipod plugged into my ears... living the dream...Livin the dream
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Aug. 29, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST
I think Hedlund is a better actor than Hayden or those G.I. Joe people
by Mattman
He simply wasn't given much of a character in Legacy... but his moments with his dad were heartfelt. I think Hedlund would up his game if given something more inspiring to work with.
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I liked a lot of it, and DIDN'T like a lot of it. I thought it wasn't true enough to the spirit of the original, had too much in the effects department that was totally unnecessary (jets on the Recognizers, fresh rain on the streets, etc...) and honestly, I felt that Clu ended up being a much more feeble threat than the MCP. Didn't like this notion that Flynn basically "killed himself" by "re-integrating" with Clu, felt like a very lame way to write him out of the story. Didn't like how they couldn't and didn't attempt to explain how Clu would possibly get his army into our world or what he'd even do, once he got there, beyond Flynn's lame "The dude doesn't dig imperfection man," line. The original is one of my all-time favorites and this just fell short in too many ways.
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T:L was one of the best SciFi film I've seen in a number of years. The amount of ideas that were touched upon in that world that were tremendous and actually different. And T:L has merely opened that door of ideas for the TV show and it's sequel. There's a reason the film is so praised or hated. The haters just aren't seeing what the fans are (As evidenced from their comments). Who's fault is that for not understanding? Whiners complain about lack of action (Yawn) the main actor (Shocker! Nerds don't like a good looking guy) or how the film was dull. It seemed to be the very film that people always wish they had seen when complaining about crap like Transformers. It had the ideas. It had the philosophy. And It wasn't dependent on action. Oh, but now those are all negatives in Trons case. What a load of hypocrisy. I realize people are going to complain regardless. I've seen this exact type of comments here regarding Inception and everyvother film that isn't based on a comic. Fuck it. If ain't got a superhero bound in muscles, none of you guys guys will like it anyways. Why am I even arguing? You guys obsess over Captain fucking America. What a concept!
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Aug. 29, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST
C'mon, Legacy was infinitely more fun, engaging and visually a more beautiful film than the majority of contemporary big budget releases.
by Ted Knight
Michael Sheen's performance and Daft Punk's soundtrack alone make it worthy of our time. My only gripe is that the movie lacked a real emotion to it. When Kevin sees his son for the first time in 20 years he just gives him a hug and tells him we will talk later at dinner (really? I think 20 years is a long enough wait). As for the other characters I understand that they are programs and would lack emotion.
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I liked Legacy quite a bit, one of my only gripes was Michael Sheen's performance. ...can't put my finger on it. Just seemed out of place somehow with the rest of the film. ...and it was 20 years for Sam, but 1,000 years (approx.) for Flynn. Rationally we could say that he was just a super zen master at this point, but I'm with ya - a thousand years and I'd probably hug the kid so hard he wouldn't be able to breathe. :)
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it looks like TREN with a backwards curvy 3 howabout instead TRON with a little 3 above the "N" like a cubed sign? or even TRON3D? or even use a zero instead of a an "o" because after falling asleep in the theater for legacy, there is zero chance i'll see this one in a theater.. just wait a month and get it on netflix
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Sam Flynn gets to teach Quorra how to drop a deuce.
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CLU basically converted Tron into one of his security programs and they are two entirely separate entities.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST
I liked it better when Recognizers were more of a malevolent presence...
by Billyeveryteen
Now they're just cars... I love the idiots who are all "Legacy is THE WORST enter-a-computer-and-save-everybody movie of ALL TIME!!"
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It would piss off a lot of people.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST
It did better then people think, more money at the BO then Star Trek
by Saen
So of course its getting a sequel. And its also a lot better then these uber nerds make it out to be, its like some fuckin cunts get in their mind to hate it and spread that hate using these stupid social media sites. Some twat on twitter goes it sucks and suddenly all these turds start spouting it. Tron Legacy had the best soundtrack in years, best visuals for a movie in a long long time, and fun story, FUN, not high drama, not long ass and boring, it was FUN. And I will definitely be seeing a 3rd if they can match the 2nd movies awesome soundtrack and visuals.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST
twisk, my nephew shared a similar skepticism about Sheen's character.
by Ted Knight
He thought he was clownishly over-the-top. But for me, I personally dig Sheen as a performer so I'm admittedly a bit bias, but you could tell he was really relishing in playing an eccentric, slimy opportunist with the mannerisms of a Chaplin-esque carnival barker. Good, albeit brief, comic relief moment. Plus, he just happened to kick off my personal favorite scene in the entire film - The Pier 6 brawl that erupts in the club while Daft Punk(as DJs in a cameo)provide the adrenaline inducing background beats.
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My feelings exactly.
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the $400 million gross is great, unless you spend $250+ million on the film. A big success with that kind of budget would be something in the $700 million+ range, like the Transformers/Potter/Pirates films regularly rake in. Legacy was a modest success, nothing more.
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Damn the neysayers.
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Disneyland has elecTRONica going on every night at California Adventure, raking in dough. They also have tons of Tron merchandise. The movie's gross alone may not be determining its success in their eyes. They may want to make a sequel just to keep the brand going.
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Tron on Earth? You mean like Automan?! Ohhhhh dear. :P
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end of line...
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Aug. 29, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST
i predict its tie-in video game will be better than DRIV3R
by Tigger Tales
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Aug. 29, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST
I found Legacy surprisingly good. But Tron definitely needs to be front and centre next time.
by Mr Nicholas
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cool music ,cool effects ,cool sexy woman , ok the story was a re hash of the old one but alot of the whole point of tron was the effects
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Aug. 29, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST
So at the end of Legacy, basically the entire Tronworld is in stasis on that superflashdrive pendant?
by NeonFrisbee
That's what I took to be happening. When it's inevitably rebooted, I suppose Tron will return as Tron. I'm thinking the next one will focus mostly on Quorra and her Electro-Splash fishouttawater misadventures mixed with some kinda rise of a new MCP (as hinted at in the "next day" clips) and a new Tron to battle something MCP. Something like that. Probably a big digital-realworld crossover war thingee too. Could be REALLY fucking cool if they do it right. I hope the cartoon is good. The vidjagame had some cool backstory elements to it. The actual gameplay was meh, but fun enough to warrant a rental or cheap buy.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST
Still no official announcement from Disney.Until that happens
by KilliK
i will keep insisting that there will never be a new Tron movie,simply because TRON2 was a major FLOP.and yes: FACT !!
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Aug. 29, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST
Tron Legacy was a wasted chance for making a masterful scifi/event movie
by KilliK
but i guess not everyone is James Cameron. Tron the orignal movie,despite its flaws and it's somehow outdated vfx,it remains the better and more groundbreaking scifi/fantasy movie than its sequel.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST
Should have asked him what it was like to bang Laura Ingals.
by Jaster Mareel
Did he make her call him pappa? The people want to know!
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Saw it on TV last night for the second time just to make sure it was just as bad as I remember it...
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Aug. 29, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST
The only thing I didn't like in Legacy was the shitty bar owner
by Jaster Mareel
What the fucking FUCK was that guy doing in the movie?
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a Turd to a Dump. But then again what should I have expected?
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Aug. 29, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST
make it more colorful, less dramatic, less dark and murky
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
Why does virtual reality have to be so emo? Easily the best part of the movie were the lightcycle scenes. More action, less boring conversations imo.
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She needed his dad's disc to manifest outside the grid. That said, anytime you bring up synthetic or extraterrestrial love interests, the reality is it would be considered sodomy. And W.I.T.C.H season 2 was the best girls-led action show ever.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST
Never trust an actor who "confirms" another sequel in a series
by Nasty In The Pasty
Remember Tom Hanks' confidence in a fourth Toy Story movie?
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the 3D looked even better at home than it did in the theater. And why all the hate? It was a way better movie than the last two Matrix films, and far and away better than any of the Transformers films everyone seems to love.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST
FACT: People who hate Tron: Legacy loved The Smurfs movie
by SifoDyasJr
It's an IQ thing.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST
@weylandyutani - great story about Roddenberry. Thanks for sharing it.
by kevred
It's always nice when people who do great things turn out to be good, kind people. Though based on the concepts he put at the core of his creation, I guess that's not a surprise.
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It's a double-edged sword: for the film to get made at all (and let's face it, I think its very existence surprised us all), it had to be safe enough to make a lot of money. But if it's safe, it loses what was the one essential component of the original TRON's character: the crazy, unique visual world that was created for it. I didn't want them to do it the same way as before, but I wanted something that was as different from what's standard now as the original was compared to everything else that was going on then. Legacy's look was terrific - like a hi-fi, ultra-slick update of the original's look. But there was nothing special about how it was put together relative to how every other big genre film is put together these days. In a sense, they just slapped something different on the green screen. So the stylish look was ultimately empty. It may be a microcosm of the difference in major commercial art projects between 1982 and now. Back then, Disney was making crazy stuff like The Black Hole and TRON. Now, everything just seems so safe and predictable, and just variations on a theme. It may be the curse of CG as a one-size-fits-all solution for every single filmmaking challenge these days. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 9:30 p.m. CST
@weylandyutani nice story.now replace the 8yo with a 30yo man
by KilliK
and i am pretty sure the story would have gone like this: 30yo: -Mister,were you the one who created Star Trek? Roddenbery: -NO.And go get a life,you pathetic man-child. the end.
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It will start out with them trying to rebuild the Grid and connecting it to the internet. Then it should just end up being Reboot starring Tron, guest starring Bob, with Sark as Megabyte and Sam as Enzo.
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actually, the "huge silent minority" is the millions of people who refused to pay to see that piece of shit
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all box office id down? hmmmm tell that to pirates and transformers all of the "blockbusters" you named sucked as much as tr2n ( or whtever the fuck it's called )
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But come on, your argument about TRON is damn near idiotic. First off, the original TRON wasn't popular bc of "The Dude", who is "one of the worlds premiere actors", becasue he certainly was not *then*. If everyone followed the "hot guy" as you imply, than TRON would have made more money. You can't claim TRON was a failure bc people want to see hot guys and hot girls but then also say it failed bc it put a hot guy and hot girl at the forefront instead of a great script. I get what you're saying but... ... Does not compute.
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There is not a single moment in which the two share a similar acting style. Unless you consider being blonde and blue-eyed "the same", in which case you appear to be a fucking racist.
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in fact the most profitable thing thing that came out of that film is the nightly "ElecTRONica" Rated PG dance party Disney throws nightly in California Adventure. I have read that Disney is making upwards of $100,000 nightly off the sale of Merch and Trontinis at that thing, and it's been gong on since just after the film was released. In fact...as a Disney shareholder...I think ppl like the idea/aesthetics/tie-ins of the Tron property more than the film itself. Oliva Wilde in ass cheek hugging plether kicking ass to a Euro-Tech beat IS an appealing image.
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A surprise success, a disappointing success, a modest success, a somewhat success... .... Its STILL a fucking success.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 11 p.m. CST
I like the second one enough to have interest in seeing a third one, or a continuing franchise...
by Jaka
...but that's about it. It felt like a setup, or a warm up. Wasn't as much as I wanted it to be, anyway. Fortunately they didn't shit all over the first one, so sure, bring on a third film where they try a little harder.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 11:07 p.m. CST
Ummm, you guys are aware that the original Tron BOMBED in theaters right?
by Jaster Mareel
So by that scale (read: the only one that matters in the movie business), Tron: Legacy blew the fuck out of Tron! I'm not saying Legacy is better, I'm just pointing out that all this splitting of hairs regarding how successful it was is ridiculous when you compare it to the original.
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Aug. 29, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST
WRONG.The original didnt bomb.Check the BO numbers in bomojo.
by KilliK
Production Budget: $17 million Total Lifetime Grosses Domestic: $33,000,000 It was a hit and pretty good too.It just wasnt the hit that Disney was expecting,the Disney which for years has tried to create its own Star Wars franchise but with no success. And lets not forget that the videogame Discs of Tron which followed the movie,was a huge hit in that time. That's why they made Legacy. The Disney execs believed that the franchise had the potential to become their own SW that they so much sought all these years.The very positive reaction from the geeks when they showed that old tech demo in the Comicon 3 years ago,only sealed that belief of theirs. The only thing that they had to do was to modernize the movie,advertise the hell out of it,hire a director who had an interesting visual style so he could make cool action cgi scenes and vfx,hire a bunch of well-known scriptwriters with the job,ala JJ and Orci with NuTrek,to bridge the gap between the old fans of the original and the new fans while using a lot of fanservice and the introduction of new cool concepts,and that's all. Which all the above lead to,more than enough budgets,for the marketing and the filming.If Disney wasnt to naive or greed or stupid,they could have controlled the budget,control the quality input in the project,and finally control the final profits of the film. In other words we would have a better sequel,less expensive,more profitable which mean the 2nd sequel would have already been green-lighted officially by Disney. But alas,as i already said,not everyone is James THE KING Cameron....
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Not only was Rinzler=Tron telegraphed by the use of two discs, as soon as CLU strikes down Tron and Kevin looks away, you hear the "bad disc" Predator-like noise that Rinzler produces. CLU "can't create programs- he can only destroy or repurpose them." Also, after he falls into the Sea of Simulation, the entire grid doesn't explode- you'll notice after the explosion, the sea, shore and some other features still remain. the shockwave simply destroyed the region over the sea that the portal site was located in, as well as a few of those floating geographical features. Granted, THEN Sam powers down the Grid, but he has the backup on the disc around his neck now. (although, given the time-dilation, the Grid probably existed for hours, if not days, after the explosion during the broef period oftime it took Sam to setup the data transfer and complete it)
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That scene actually takes on a whole new context when you watch it after having seen the film. The entire subtext of that scene is based around what Kevin figured out from Sam's comments and his reaction to it. Basically, when he sees Sam for the first time, he does give him that huge hug of relief and almost doesn't believe it's real. ...then Sam mentions the page that Kevin knows he didn't send. And, in that moment, he realizes that Sam is part of CLU's trap/game, and that is when Kevin suddenly becomes cold and distant and gives that "We'll talk later" line. That horrible realization tempered his joy and is played absolutely perfectly by Bridges.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 12:29 a.m. CST
ElecTRONica does rake in piles of dough at California Adventure
by Mattman
They serve very expensive alcoholic drinks (which is hard to resist when you're at a Disney theme park).
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Aug. 30, 2011, 12:33 a.m. CST
Also both Legacy and original Tron dominated blu-ray sales charts
by Mattman
There is a lot more to that film's success than just box office numbers (which were sufficiently successful btw). I'm not a huge fan of Tron Legacy... but facts are facts.
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He will be replaced and nobody will care.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 2:29 a.m. CST
I'll watch a third Tron AND the animated one if I get a chance.
by Jay Eyler
TRON caught me at just the right age (junior high school). I'm not a hard-core fan, but dig the movies enough to be interested when one comes out. I want Bridges to keep knocking on the sky, and I want to keep listening to the sound.
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Thought he was great reprising his role in Legacy. Hope to see some "real" Tron action in a third one, if at all possible.
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I thought Tron Legacy was really good, i think it managed to introduce people not aware of Tron into the concept, but had enough content from the original to satisfy fans. I think in the days when a franchise gets rebooted because someone didnt buy enough popcorn in the lobby, its staggering that a property which didnt bomb, but nor did it set the box office on fire gets updated and continues the original story and features the same actors in main roles. My main gripe is that it is called Tron, so its sort of implicit that we see him and try and squeeze David Warner in next time.
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You can't make gold out of a pile of shit screenplay. Add the plank of wood that was Garrett Hedlund and a director who didn't understand ANYTHING about the first film and you have yet another shit sequel to add to the pile.
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totally agree! Who thought that was a good character? It's like he came right out of the matrix sequels.
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I think Roddenberry was a huge nerd and seemed to take the time and encourage the fandom surrounding his creation - I think he saw it as an essential part of the process, not to mention his huge financial stake in the franchise. But I do think Roddenberry is the exception to the rule. For the most part I agree with you... if you were to approach any writer, producer or star, most would be polite but a bit prickly and standoffish. Which is my point. That is why event signings like the Boxleitner one in this article are always forced and a awkward. Fans want to have a "moment" with someone they feel a connection to and the celeb just wants to get through the least desirable thing that is expected from them from the studio.
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This is one of the very few occasions we disagree about a movie.
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The original was mediocre, the sequel was mediocre.. what to expect next?
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:42 a.m. CST
Bruce B is a true class act. The reason he was succinct is a courtesy to the remaining 250 people in line
by Arcadian Del Sol
convention autograph lines are a cattle drive. If you spend too much time with each person, then half the line will never get their autograph. I attended one that happened to be Nana Visitor's first convention. It was so sweet to see her totally unprepared for the level of fandom and appreciation for her work. She would later comment that it was one of the greatest experiences of her career. Yes, a lot of actors look at their work as just that: work. Because it is. It really is a very difficult industry to be in. But be assured that the ones who do the convention circuits - they get it. They know what their product means to the millions of fans. They may not always understand it, but they certainly get it.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST
So I guess any number can substitute for any letter of the alphabet now?
by Son of a Butch
"TR3N"... Sure. Yeah. Why not.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST
Tron: Legacy was PG rated fun for all the family - I think it worked gangbusters - and I'm a harsh critic on movies.
by ChickenStu
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Tron Legacy. Effects were great, soundtrack was great, whole damn thing was great - and it was suitable for kids. Fuck the haters, this movie rocked. Tron 3? Count me in.
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it had the same director as the first film.
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I had thought Stephen Lisberger came back. Hmm I guess that explains a lot of the problems I had about the movie. lol.
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And you know it.
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i didn't say Tron was popular bc of the dude, the fuck? i said at least it had the dude rather than the cardboard cut out kid.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST
As stoked as I was to see Boxleitner, the second he threw those keys to whoever that fag is who played Flynn's son, I knew that this piece of shit was going to be a piece of shit.
by AzulTool
Stupid, dumb crap.
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Tron was rubbish. Tron Legacy was rubbish. Tron 3 will be rubbish. As will T4on, Tro5, Tr6n and 7ron. Any news on Tron 8? I seriously can't wait for more shittily remembered childhood movies to become en-franchised. Sorry, '3n-4ranch153d'.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST
Agree with those who say it could've been so much more.
by Dennis_Moore
Get rid of Sam, and half the problem there is gone.
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Heh ... if you turn your 'puter upside down it looks like BOOBS. Oh wait it doesn't really.
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Tron:Legacy was nothing but a great dance album that had a very long, mediocre video attached to it. But that's okay—since no one at the club watches the videos anyhow, unless they're waiting to get a drink.
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...best movie of the last couple of years easily in my opinion. Loved the original but this blows it away in every way! The only thing that bugged me really was how they explained the whole back story with a stack of TVs sitting around in a misty street. Couldn't they have had Sam watching the clips on TV while he is getting ready to leave or something? That way it wouldn't feel so out of place.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST
It went approximately $100 million in the hole—that's NOT a success.
by David Bolton
$400 million gross + $510 cost = FAIL.
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That way you have not only CLU but an additional bad guy to try and destroy on the grid.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST
STOP Hatin TR3N and future T4ON haters...Its what the Star Wars Prequels Could be...
by plisskenman
Not a story you already knew...thanks to BS from Lucas
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...that kids growing up afterwards cannot understand why older people regard it with reverence. I think Blade Runner suffers from this a little as well. (Not quite as much.) If you were born post-Tron, you probably look back at it and shrug, because all the concepts that it basically invented seem so old hat now, and all you see are its flaws. This is a form of the "Seinfeld is Unfunny" TV trope: http://tinyurl.com/a44653 For the record, children, Tron was an astonishing cultural milestone. You might not realize this, because you lack the direct experience to make that judgement.
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1. Isn't "FAIL" very last decade? 2. Did it really cost $510? Wait a minute, did it really cost $510 million? I can't imagine that Disney were assuming it would make $1.25 billion dollars.
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Aug. 30, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST
When I finally got around to watch TR2N I turned it off like half way
by darthSaul666
The original didn't have the greatest script... I wasn't bothered the sequel was about on par story wise with 1st one... What killed it for me was the de-aged Jeff Bridges/Clu CGI... That was hands down THE WORST CGI I had seen in a long time... Clu looked like he had Mumbles face from Dick Tracy to me...It distracted me so much I could care less if I saw another TRON film again....
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Awesome movie. Felt like watching Starwars for the first time. Hadn't seen the first one so yeah, it blew my mind. And I'm 30.
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Tron 2 was horrible - Disney popcorn for the empty headed.
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Which movie is this reference from?
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