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Super Villainess And Cavill Crotch Revealed!! New MAN OF STEEL Shoot Shots!!
Merrick here...
Here's our first look at Faora (Antje Traue), Kryptonian nemesis to Henry Cavill's Superman in Zack Snyder's MAN OF STEEL.
There are also clear, frontal shots of Cavill in his Superman costume. This costume reveal, which we enjoyed a few weeks back...
...obscured his nether regions, prompting many to ask whether this interpretation of the outfit would feature the character's signature red panty things. At that time, numerous indications pointed towards the costume not featuring the iconic undies. That question now appears to be answered definitively by the pictures below.
These from the MAN OF STEEL Facebook page, via Coming Soon. Check either location for further images.
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Readers Talkback
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This is a tough lookin' supes!
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I would certainly prefer the red trunks, but I don't think not having them will ruin the movie. I just think they needed something to break up all that blue.
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In the end it doesn't matter as much what they look like. The story is the important thing. Hopefully not too much origin in this version. Seen enough of that.
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without the red belt at the front.
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to store his utilities?
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Looks cool. I wanta see some buildings busted.
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He NEEDS his red undies. Anything less is FUCKED. AND FUCK THE SCALES ON THE SUIT!
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'Bout time they got rid of the '30 circus strongman undies. I wanted gloves on the costume though. I'm sure even Kryptonians leave fingerprints. How else could Clark Kent hold get most of his papers?
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He has a stick attached to his head so Cavill knows where to look. Giant monster time?
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Maybe it's the Hulk! Har har. But really, do we get a real threat like doomsday?
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Seem to be fewer reference points than usual or is that made up for by the multicolored suit?
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST
Looks like a ripoff of the Spidey reboot costume!
by HollywoodHellraiser
Plus its looks like molded plastic. Wow, the terrible miscasting of Cavill as Supes who looks like Bizzaro, to Laurence Fishbure as Perry White, and now this awful costume! Dunno what Warner/DC is trying to do but this just going to be a charmless Supes who punches his way throughout the movie! No wonder Crowe is starring in this!
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Saw Superman Returns last night on TV Man that film sucked the only thing good about it was Routh and Spacy, Honestly after the clusterfuck off the Smallville Final (YES I SAID IT THAT SHOW BLOWS!) We are in need of a decent Superman Fix, I love Snyders work so far! and I guess the shorts but be the sudios doing, but end of the day Story comes first, I do think the suit is wired but I`m holding judgement on this one till the flicks out! All I want really is John Willams Score and I`ll be Sold!
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This was a story on other sites. Why are they Mo Caping Zod? Didn't they learn from Green Lantern.
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No trunks? Just looks really weird and odd. Say what you will about the trucks (70 years of history), but wearing a shirt and pants of the same color? Never looks good.
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Same goes for the Batman Inc. suit, though I doubt that'll carry over to the other Bat-titles.
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the horror........the horror......... HOW THE FUCK CAN THEY GET AWAY WITH THAT.... No really, I am good with it, looks fine.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST
It looks both "The Avengers" and "Superman" have the same crossover villians with these strange straps and silver squares and headbands.
by The Reluctant Austinite
Who are these thugs? Aliens? Some gang out of "The Warriors"? Bane's thugs? Whoever they are, they seem like they're going to be in every superhero movie in the next couple of years.
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It just looks weird. I understand, but the full blue suit without a contrast and just the belt seems strange to me. It is probably the unfamiliarity talking.
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It's not supposed to be like a cloak or used for consealment like Batman. It should end a little below the back of the knees. But hey that's just my fanboy deal.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST
What's up with the guy in the updated Olivia Newton John Costume?
by Tony
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Shannon is actually Doomsday! Not Zod. You heard it here first!!! Why else do they need motion capture? Why the stick to show where Supes need to look? You can see Supes looking up there in the second photo. Its definitely Doomsday and that's probably Grannie Goodness.. not Faora! Its sleight of hand right now ...
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that debut next month don't have the red panties either, I think we will get used to the look by the time the movie gets here.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST
The Routh suit looked weird in stills but played well on screen...
by Stephen Farrell
Funny how it makes you realise how iconic those crimson nickers really are...the first images of the Routh suit looked a bit off, but again, you just adjust to it...again I think the previous suit played better on screen than in stills. Body language sells it, and Ol' Chris was the master of that.
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That's not Superman! I guess we should take the stars off the flag while we are at it. Fascists!
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Wow- June 2013! Really? A long time for post work! (guess they have time to add in the red shorts if too many people protest)
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST
Maybe he pissed his pants when he saw Zod in a cgi suit?
by Stephen Farrell
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Take away bug's bunny's carrot. Take away Indy's whip and hat. Take the dinosaurs out of Jurrassic Park....but why this? Why must some movie big wig feel it's their job to fuck with the iconic?
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Will Hollywood ever get over WWII? Could they make one movie where villains aren't German and/or blonde-haired/blue-eyed monsters? Fucking racist shit. The irony is palpable.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:49 a.m. CST
Even Jim Lee's crappy new suit has atleast a red belt for Superman.
by K-Gin
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Zod? Or some monster?
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST
So used to the red trunks, sort of looks almost naked without them
by Kikstad
And man, those capes are long. They're going to trip on those things. But better too long than too short.
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But I'm impressed with Supes shape,looks fucking huge compared to previous versions.
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...the way it's painfully obvious that they kept his red short-less pelvis in deep shadow in the official costume release shot. This way, the initial reaction wouldn't be what we have today – WHERE ARE HIS SHORTS?! It feels like a cheap shot. As Dark Helmet would say, "Foooooled youu!"
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General Sam Lane, the father of Lois Lane, is a central figure in director Zack Snyder’s Superman reboot. This really is as Zack described in several interviews about the film, a “real world” Superman. I’m told that when Superman arrives on the scene; people don’t know what to think. He’s an alien from another planet. What are his real intentions? He’s not human and that scares a lot of people. Here’s a guy who can fly, see through walls, is bullet proof and can lift a tank. The military views him as a potential threat to national security. They find kryptonite, pieces of his home planet, and discover its radioactive elements can be harnessed as a near unlimited source of power, both literally and figuratively. It’s a brand new form of energy that is secretly developed by the government. The military, under the direction of General Sam Lane, uses kryptonite to power an experimental cyborg super solider named Metallo. He’s ultimately exploited as a weapon against Superman.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST
Same dull colour as evil Superman from Superman 3 - The Cynical vehicle for Richard Pryor and Billy Conolly's wife's knockers.
by Stephen Farrell
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Those quads are blasting through his suit. Arms and crotch are bulging all over the place too. No way Cavill is this huge. Dude looks bigger than Hemsworths THOR.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST
Guys, settle down, I think they'll add the Red trunks and yellow belt in later...
by brocknroll
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in partnership with Voit.
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So happy she is in this. Hot woman and good actress.
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hell 300 is all about being accurate to the comics warts and all, why the funk would snyder get rid of the red undies?
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harden the fuck up.
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Wow, so we get supes battling his foes in his home town. That's a pretty big thing in my opinion. Perhaps the villains figured him out? Interesting indeed.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST
Vun day your een!!! Zee next day YOUR RRRRRROOOOUUUUSSSEEEE!!!
by SydBarretsMyDad
fags. its just a costume. and some of you are discussing the minutiae of a mans crotch cloth. That couldnt be gayer.
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That suit looks horrendous. Is he actually stood on his cape in the first pic? Sorry but this looks like a major train wreck in the making. That is not Superman, his iconic look is gone. Might as well call him Fantabulous Man cause there is no resemblance to Superman in the slightest.
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Should keep track of what's going on in the comics. As of September the underwear are gone from the suit, maybe not forever, but long enough I'd think, and DC knew, so we're getting a Superman movie wherein there are no Supersuit underwear. In being rid of his underoos, they are staying faithful to the comics.
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is NOT SHINY. But it looks like Supes could be fighting a robot or a monster for once. Im so tired of him fighting humans or bald Gene Hackman.
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Get a grip people. Bitching is probably your first language. Love the costume/s. I have faith in Nolan.
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You fucks would have been picking apart the choices Donner made and the selection of Christopher Reeve as Superman....AND WHAT HE WAS WEARING ON HIS CROTCH!!!! idiots.
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I'm fine without the red undies. Though I'd appreciate a belt at least to break up the solid blue... which it looks like he has, though its not yellow.
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dong
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST
There are Superman comics where he didn't have the red trunks & yellow belt...
by brocknroll
http://www.drfunkenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/superman.jpg
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST
Looks like they've used the color palate from the 40's newspaper strip
by Snookeroo
Same with the insignia - which is kinda cool. However, losing the red truck is just plain stupid.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST
Chant with me now...NO SHORTS, NO TICKET! NO SHORTS, NO TICKET!
by Karl Hungus
Seriously, this modernizing of superhero costumes has got to stop. Pointed ears on the Batman cowl doesn't make real-world sense either. That's the point. These stories don't take place in our real world. They're meant to be an ESCAPE from the dreary post-9/11 economic meltdown blah blah of our lives. Might as well just have heroes wear regular clothes. And don't get me started on the muted colors of the new Supes suit. Looks like a homeless guy who got dragged through the gutter the morning after a costume party. And got his shorts ripped off too, apparently.
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dot guys costume doesn't even match. He is wearing one green sock and one blue sock. Wrap it up boys. This one is fucked.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST
This isnt a sequel to the Donner movies (thank god), so why would they recycle the Williams score?
by dahveed1972
Seriously, give it a rest already. The problem with Superman Returns was that it was a regurgitation of the earlier films, including much of the score. An original score will be one of many welcome changes. Im still wary of Snyder as director, but at the very least id like to see a completely new and modern take on this IP. If its a big fat failure, so be it.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST
Another thing thats not very important: Whether or not hes wearing read jockeys.
by dahveed1972
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST
The lack of trunks looks fine. It's the shiny, scaly material that's all wrong.
by cookepuss
Seriously, the new comics feature a costume similar to this. It looks fine there. Here, somebody dropped the ball when it came to actually implementing that. Plus, Cavill is a total miscast. He looks like a roided up Tom Jane in these pics. Come to think of it, Cavill might've made a better Punisher instead. Not Superman. Getting rid of the undies on the outside makes sense. Comic costumes were designed to fit in with the aesthetic of strong men and pro wrestlers of the era. Today, they've kinda surpassed the need for that reference point. They can stand on their own. What makes Superman iconic looking isn't the undies. It's the cape, shield, and basic color scheme. Why is it that nobody makes a big deal about Batman not having the trunks? I'm not sure people really think about it. In current (soon to end) continuity, Dick Grayson's Batman has them, but Bruce's doesn't. Moreover, movie Batman ditched them 20+ years ago. I just think that people bitch for the sake of bitching. We want the movies to embrace their comic roots, yet complain when they do or when the source material being embraced is not popular. The trunkless design is fine. It's the implementation of it and the man wearing it that look all wrong.
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Seriously? People losing their minds because the suit doesn't feature underwear? Personally -- and I've always thought this -- I think the underwear make superman look silly, and worst of all vulnerable. Dude's showing his UNDERWEAR. Outside of his PANTS. Getting rid of that was such a great move; he looks 1,000 times better. Now let's talk about why EVERY super suit in EVERY movie now has to have that scaly Spider-Man texture...
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Which always looked better to me, anyway.
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There were so many complaints about Routh's costume colors, why aren't more complaining about these?? The red is ok, but the blue and yellow are really dark. Don't get me started on the Shiny/Rubber suit...I'm having flashbacks to the 90's Tim Burton costume ideas...
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There were so many complaints about Routh's costume colors, why aren't more complaining about these?? The red is ok, but the blue and yellow are really dark. Don't get me started on the Shiny/Rubber suit...I'm having flashbacks to the 90's Tim Burton costume ideas...
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Not sure why they changed it because I don't feel as though it wouldn't work and would look silly. It's iconic. Too much blue, need to break it up. I also think the cape is too big. I'm ok with the texture of the suit, it's more robust looking than plain material but it is curious that it looks the same as the Spiderman suit. I guess there is someone in town these super heroes all know and go to for all their costumes- Super Tailor.
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Superman will have been "trunkless" in the comics for over a year and a half. Everyone would have gotten used to it by then including you.
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And none of u fucktards complained..
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST
IF ONE TALKBACKER IS CORRECT, THAN THIS MOVIE *MAY* BE LIKE THE LAST TWO HULK MOVIES (STORYWISE)
by Meadowe
Hero's love interest has a high-ranking father in the military who tries very aggressively to capture/control/destroy powerful being. Someone in another talkback said that Lois Lane's dad General (?) Sam Lane and the military don't know what to think of Superman and have utilized kryptonite as an energy source and or weaponized it in response to Superman's arrival. Sounds kinda like Betty Ross and Thunderbolt Ross and Bruce Banner imo. If they do it like that, I just hope it's executed very well. And for the record I thought both hulk movies were awwwright; only reason I like hulk 08 better is because we have the one from target where case is the wall opens up and hulk's face is revealed.
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Immediately dismiss a photo or a design from a film without first having seen the film in question. It's easy to criticize behind the anonymity of a "user name" and in my opinion its an act of a "pussy". If you are going to criticize a person's work, have the balls to put your real name to it. That having been said: "I do not like this costume". Not because of it's design. Not because of the fabric. Not because the "cape is too long", or the "'S' is cheap". I do not like this because the redesign (in both the comics and the new film) is not born out of some new artistic direction. it's a corporate mandate brought on by Time/Warner in an effort to break ties with the creators families (Siegel/Shuster) and get out of paying any licensing fee. By changing the costume; Time Warner does not have to give a percentage of any merchandising from this film. Here's a link to the article: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007269?refCatId=13 -Kevin
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hope the movie itself makes up for it.
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justs look dumb without the red shorts & belt. Just make the blue like the suit.
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Yours is the most intelligent and mature talkback I've read on this site in the twelve years I've been visiting it.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST
Such a strange thing to leave ou on an otherwise great interpretation.
by Playkins
I don't think this movie will suck by any means, I just think it's an odd detail to leave out.
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I'm willing to believe the worst about Time Warner, but the story you link to doesn't say anything about the costume-change thing. Is simply removing the red shorts, while everything else is intact, really enough to change the legal-use issue? If it is, I'd like to read something more concrete about it, as it could mean the difference between me seeing this film or not. Personally, at first glance I don't really like the sea-of-blue look that going with no belt or shorts creates, but overall the costume and Cavill look great and I'm willing to give it a chance. Hope those muscles aren't fake, though.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST
Honestly, I HATE that suit. WTF people in charge, why can't you people get the damn suit right????
by DrPain
There was and still is nothing wrong with the costume in Donner's film. Or even in the comics. The synopsis says beacon of hope? what kind of beacon is dark and rubber? I really tried to give this new costume time to sink in, but I just can't stand it, it sucks. The only thing I like about it is the size of the S. Not the raised emblem itself, just it's size.
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FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = NIPPLES ON BATSUIT = SMALL BANE = NO EARS ON CATWOMAN = BASKETBALL SPIDERMAN
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST
In Nolan I trust. This will be the best superman film ever watch!
by LUIS
fuck all the dead people who made shit back in the day it is a new age and this movie will be the best superman movie ever you watch! and fuck the red boy panty shit he is superman not super fag.
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Keith would be wrong to conclude that Supe's missing red shorts are due to the legal ruling with the Siegel Estate, because it appears that this film does include many elements that the court has determined were the rights of the Siegel estate, including (as reported by the article that Keith cited: - Superman's origins from the planet Krypton - his parent Jor-El - his landing on Earth in a fiery crash. - alter-ego as reporter Clark Kent - the feisty reporter Lois Lane - their jobs at the Daily Planet newspaper working for a gruff editor Getting rid of the red underoos is not sufficient to block any claims the Siegel's might have with regards to this film.
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If people want a "realistic" Superman, then he needs to wear a mask. How can you take someone who wears glasses as a disguise seriously in this day and age of cell phone cameras and a world connected by the internet. Warner Bros. and DC Comics changing Supe's costume in order not to pay the heirs is true. What is their excuse for changing Wonder Woman's iconic costume?
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST
This isn't a Nolan film though. He's, um, busy on something else right now. This has Snyder's stink all over it. And it's pretty stinky.
by Karl Hungus
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST
I know the whole 'underwear outside his costume' is a bit silly and outdated
by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS
But it just doesn't LOOK like a superman costume without that element. It's a shame because that original press release photo had me thinking this was a pretty authentic costume.
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But I will admit it doesn't make sense for an advanced Kryptonian unitard to require trunks on the outside which themselves require a massive belt for some reason.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST
I can't help but think Jon Peters is behind the lack of red trunks...
by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS
Looks too faggy
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST
I'm going to kick your fucking ass, Zod...But first, I'm going to get a Big Gulp. Do you want anything?
by AzulTool
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We'll be fine. Just relax and let's see what happens.
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Looks like his heat vision isn't the only thing on fire! Is it gay of me to say it? Well than color me queer. Is that a super cock in your pants or are you just happy to see me?
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They shouldn't mess with the look of an almost 80 year old American Pop Culture Icon! Look what giving Superman a kid did! :(
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especially having read Kevin Rubio's comment above. I smell a large rat.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST
Thank God they got rid of the fag panties. I always thought they looked stupid. Why would he need them? Is Superman spotting?
by AzulTool
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST
I still don't like it...and is it me, or is the "S" too high on his chest?
by Somerichs
No red briefs aside, the scaly shininess is really, really offputting. <p> As for the "S" emblem: I know this borders on the nit-picky, and in the end I don't much care either way, but I don't know if it's too high on his chest or just too small overall, but it looks weird as is. Shift the whole emblem down a few inches and you're probably good to go...
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST
RE: But it just doesn't LOOK like a superman costume without that element.
by cookepuss
Has the internet been around in 1989, I can imagine the same comment would've been made about the Tim Burton Batman. In the comics, iirc, Batman was still wearing the blue trunks and gray costume at the time. Visually, Burton's version was a huge departure from the comics and from the Adam West version which preceded it. Here, with Superman, at least there's a precedence & parity. For the foreseeable future, trunkless Superman is the new status quo across the board. Comic fans will get used to the change. We always do. Instead of worrying about the costume, worry about Snyder. He's a hack who's coasted on his "300" cred for far too long. Between the mediocre "Watchmen" and the intolerable "Sucker Punch", he shouldn't be allowed near a big budget project again. Don't even get me started on that stupid owl movie.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST
This'll be the best Superman movie of 2013.
by highfunctioningsociopath
If only they'd used the Burton Warpdrive suit. Ah well, as long as this one has nipples.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST
With Snyder directing, there is no hope for this movie
by Billy_D_Williams
its dead before it even finishes. Dawn of the Dead was mediocre studio nonsense, 300 was ridiculous, Watchmen sucked. This man has never made a great movie and he's being handed a huge, iconic franchise...by Nolan no less...I thought the man had taste.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST
Would people have preferred red/blue lightning Superman or those Nic Cage test costumes? Coulda been worse
by cookepuss
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And none of u fucktards complained...
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Anyone notice that it looks like Superman has some sort of shiny cuffs on the costume that we didn't see before?
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST
I once pissed my pants in the queue for the Superman ride at Six Flags...
by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS
The queue went through a mock up of the Daily Planet office and on one of the files on a shelf someone had written 'Supergay'. It was so funny I lost all control of my bladder. ...I guess you had to be there.
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Or just a horizontal stripe of red. Something to make it look less like a wet-suit.
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Not once. Nope. What makes *** ANYONE *** think this time will be any different? The poster above is right... you guys think the suit sucks? Wait till you get a load of the finished product on screen. I can almost guarantee you it will not meet expectations. It will be all flash and no substance. The only heart you're going to get while sitting in the theater watching it will be the heart in your chest. This film will have none. I cannot believe WB/Nolan gave this hugely important film to the likes of Zach Snyder. After a string of films soaked in mediocrity and the disaster - DISASTER - called Sucker Punch! Get ready to be disappointed.
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Who knows what they're doing with Mo-Cap Zod but Faora looks just like Ursa in a cape. Or better yet, Ursa in a Batgirl costume. She even has the little Ursa haircut. I wonder if she's collecting badges.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST
I see he's still wearing the cape that looks like a fruit roll-up.
by cookylamoo
Delicious for a quick snack on the fly.
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Everyone is getting excited for no reason. These scenes just happen to come after the scene where Superman rips off his shorts and throws them at the bad guys, and they expand in midair and wrap the bad guys up.
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Both costumes in these pictures make it look less of a comic book adaptation and more like a fetish rubber wear party. Don't be surprised if Supes gets his cock out and knocks one off in order to defeat Zod. (I mean, that's got to be the reason for no undercrackers - it's been done purely from an 'easy access' perspective). INT. Studio Executive's Office Studio Boss: How is Supes going to whip out his little "Man of Steel" for the sex party scene where he makes sweet man love with Zod? Snyder: I don't know, Boss... Studio Boss: You know - I think we're going to have to ditch the panties. Zod needs easy access to Supes little chap... I than' you!
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I knew a Keith Rubio in high school.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST
Soooooooo, Zod and Uber-Female with short hair again? So much for starting over.
by Joe Jones
Thousands -literally thousands- of comic stories to draw from, and they go with the villains from the Donner films: Zod and Ursula. Wow. Meanwhile, every step of the way this team is telling us that it's something new, approached like Superman has never been done before. Classic. I actually like Snyder's films - Watchmen was the most respectful, reverent adaptation of source material every made (well, Fight Club is close), but the fact that he is sticking with Zod and digging into Supes canon really irritates me.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST
Nobody will call him Superman in this movie at any point.
by TheManWhoCan
Because it will mean paying out to that horrable family. <p> The movie is called Man of Steel not Superman.<p> TimeWarner own the term Kyptonite but not the planet Krypton, so we wont hear Superm... I mean the Man of Steels home planet called by its name at any point.<p> Something very weird is going on with the production, I just wish someone involved in the movie, either the director or producer explain some of the real reasons they are doing certain things instead of giving us the JJAbram-esque waffle.<p> ...and I miss the pants, and that shiny plastic blue look is shit looking!
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST
And those saying "He doesn't wear trunks in the new comics"
by BenBraddock
Get real. Do you really think the trunks have gone for good? Call me cynical, but the DC line re-boot is just part of the Warners marketing dept's latest push for your hard earned whatever. We've seen these kind of things many times before; some sensational event guaranteed to be picked up by the (inter)national media thus ensuring a temporary boom in sales. Many more people will see the MAN OF STEEL movie than will read the new comics; there's really no need to follow them at all.
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They rip their own icon characters look to make them look so very different from what has been established for so many years without having a story to back the movie up. I mean, Superman Returns was messed up after the first scene where Superman crashes in Smallville and yet no one noticed that huge freaking tower that hit the field. They can get away with NORAD and all the satellites by saying that the ship as many cloaking devices, but a flaming building that crosses the sky will turn some heads where ever it crashes! Oh, and the fact that Kryptonians have the technology to build ships that can cross the universe but they forgot to invent the freaking landing gear completely baffles me… They messed him up by making him an illegitimate father, Lois, who was brainwashed after the kiss in Superman 2 yet never questioned the fact that she was suddenly pregnant (what is she? A slut that suddenly went “Damn! Forgot that condom again!” while hoping Metropolis’ night clubs??), takes her son on an “adventure” into what may be the cause of a major earthquake and could potentially be hazardous to her health (nice one mom!), also Superman was gone for many years yet she’s still like 20 .. When he left she was like what.. 30… WTF!?!? They only see dollar signs attached to their property and want to bank in while other hero movies are making the big bucks. They didn’t lose money on Superman Returns, but let’s face it, they didn’t make 10% of the potential revenue they estimated with that garbage of a movie… Now, they take away the iconic look of Superman by just re-inventing the “S” shield enough that it’s not exactly what has been done over the past 30 years; they make the suit out of rubber (which only makes you think “Is Superman really indestructible if he needs something else than regular spandex?”) and the biggest mistake by losing completely the red over-undies.. Ok, don’t give him the fruit of the loom undies, but incorporate some of the red in there to separate all the blue covering him up. Give it a twist, not over-undies, but at least incorporate some red into his outfit so that it feels like it’s Superman… The overall tone of the colors also seem to make this very dark, like the evil Superman that appeared when Clark and Evil Superman battle it out in the scrap yard.. it just didn’t make it fell like it belonged on him.. Look at this one I found on the net, with Superman’s actual color: http://www.fusedfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/fl9s.jpg it just feels better, more like the Man of Steel who is not the evil character of the story… I just hope isn’t the one about Krypton not exploding.. You know.. So that WB doesn’t need to pay the family of the creators.. I really hope they can do something good, else the whole franchise will die for future generations..
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Red Underoos are so unbelievable... but the red boots and big ass cape aren't? get rid of the "S" while you are at it. We need an all black suit..you know to be hip and modern. And the name "Superman" is just plain dumb now a days. call it the "Kryptonian" there, that should update it just fine...now, who wants to watch it?
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Every fanboy uses Sucker Punch as their "Go To" movie to say he sucks, conveniently forgetting the craftsmanship and inventiveness in Dawn of the Dead, 300 and Watchmen--all excellent films.
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Looks amazingly stupid-waaayyy fuckimg too much blue. And that absurdly, stupidly long cape brings to mind the scene in the incredibles when all of tbe cape wearing jackasses get killed. I don't understand why hacks like Snyder and Burton feel like they have the right to change beloved fictional characters to suit their "vision"! I, for one, domt give two fucks about Snyder's vision for a superman movie. To paraphrase Harrison Ford, when making a movie about an icon, it's customary to make the goddamn movie iconic, son!
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It is a shame that the Superman (mythology) we all grew up with will be gone forever due to corporate greed. Gone is the sad and fantastical history of the "last" survivor of Krypton. Will we still care now that he might not have Lois Lane to ground him? Is he only Superman in name? For so long we believed that 'Superman belongs to the world'...he actually belongs to the company holding a majority share in his creation. Yes, creative artists should be paid proportionately, but the selfish part of me still wishes I had the Superman I grew up with.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST
Dawn of the Dead, 300 and Watchmen -- all excellent films.
by Astronut
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change because it made sense for a character that runs around on rooftops at night and wants to instill fear into the minds of criminals, to be dressed in all black. It doesn't make sense for a character that wants to inspire hope in the hearts of citizens to be dressed in very dark scaled rubber.
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But Casino Royale isn't a sequel to Dr. No, yet they use the same James Bond theme in every single movie. So why can't we have the Williams' score for this? They used that and the Planet Krypton music on Smallville and it worked perfectly every time.
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The texture, shade of blue, and addition of pointless wrist bracers and leg piping are what I dislike. If the suit came fully formed with him from Krypton, it wont bother me as bad within the story. Otherwise it's just a poor (IMO) design choice.
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The biggest indicator is when people that can fly are walking on the ground. That means they either don't have the budget to do something spectacular or don't have a director that can do something spectacular. Predication: Movie will be complete garbage but get rave reviews from AICN.
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Kidding. Supes needs some red bands somewhere to break up all that blue. I thought the weird thigh-protector football padding things were going to red.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST
@benbraddock: I don't disagree with comic changes being temporary, but DC is no stranger to continuity reboots
by cookepuss
While there's always a possibility that the red trunks might make their appearance again, DC is far more likely to stick to their guns than Marvel. Just look at how long Kyle Rayner & Wally West held onto their respective mantles. Kyle over a decade. Wally two. Had they been Marvel properties, Hal and Barry would've returned inside of 6-9 months. Nothing in comics is permanent. I agree. If enough fans complain, Superman will get back the undies in the comics. Otherwise, I can see them sticking with this for a while. With the red belt, and high collar, it's actually not so offensive. I'm already getting used to it. Some artists will invariably mess it up, but some will probably nail it like nobody's biz. The problem with Superman, apart from being too powerful, is that he's pretty boring. Changes need to be made to reinvigorate him and update him for a new century. Tweaking his costume is a good start, imo. Shame that the movie version sucks.
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Gentlemen- I'm sure a quick google search will provide you with more information on this. But this is the issue in a nutshell: Shuster/Siegel's families successfully argued that they own the rights to the origin and all thing their in. Any changes made after (Jimmy, The Daily Planet, Perry White, Brainiac, et al) are the property of Time/Warner. However (they argued) the costume had not had a significant design change (apparently changing the "S" is not enough) and thus they are entitled to a percentage of profits for all merchandising (where the money is people). Removing the shorts (and you will have to check me on this, I'm not a design patent lawyer) alters the costume significantly enough to avoid paying the families a percentage of all merchandise profits (T-Shirts, toys, flatware, Happy Meals, et al) from the upcoming movie and all future endeavors that employ the new costume design. -Kevin
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Just like the comic relief in the westerns where some cowboy is only wearing his hat, boots and longjohns. This is extremely silly and not at all iconic.
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Contrary to popular opinion, Dawn of the dead sucked! Typical Snyder-"I don't like the way previous artists did their creations almost flawlessly-I'm gonna change it!" it makes no sense to have fast zombies as they are decaying flesh. The birth of the zombie infant was quite possibly the most ludicrous thing I've seen in cinema. 300 was good oy because Frank Miller was breathing down his neck and is known to be notoriously protective of his work. Watchman was AlMOST great-then Snyder decided he's a better writer than Alan Moore(he's not), and changed the ending. I will say it was casted wonderfully(which is more than I can say for the shoddy casting of Man of Steel). The owl movie wasn't bad, sucker punch was abysmal. So doing the math, with one film that was ok, and one that had potential, I'd say he's 1.5 out of 5. Snyder is worse than Bay in a way-at least bay admits what he is-a boom boom blockbuster guy-he knows his movies won't win oscars, he just entertains. Snyder is technically the same as Bay-all style, no substance, except Snyder thinks he's a visionary-and that is why he fails
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If you were a comic fan in the late 1980s, it was all that shop owners and patrons could talk about. Like the internet, but on a smaller scale. People were just as divided. Now, people still complain, but not nearly as much. Personally, I think that Nolan's latest tweak to Batman has probably gone a little too far on the practical armor look, but that's just me. I preferred something closer to the Burton era design.
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I really wanted to see that in Return and Smallville but it didn't happen, instead his suit just magically is created ( and out of f'ing rubber no less ) but the idea with his mom making him his costume from the blankets from this ship is awesome. It shows that no matter how silly it looks ( even with red undies ) her son wears it out of love. If I think back, I believe they did do this on Lois and Clark, which was awesome and got the suit right.
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...apparently his hair follicles are strong enough to break every man made razor in existence. (...yeah, I know enough with the hair jokes) I wish you Supes fans every good luck. Making quality films has never been a bad thing. Here's hoping...for your sakes.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST
I'm going to reserve my Watchmen judgement until I finally see the BluRay Ultimate cut.
by AzulTool
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST
And seriously, in the 52 re-design the justify the costume as...
by Kevin Rubio
"Kryptonian Battle Armor".Come on, this is SUPERMAN! Why would he need "battle armor"? Sure, under Krypton's red sun I can understand that you would need to protect yourself. But even then, wouldn't any guy want to protect his "junk" above all else? Just sayn'
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The undies should be there to break up all that blue. It looks too plain without them, but we will see once it hits the screen.
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Ok, so we get to see some pics from the set of the upcoming Superman move by Zach Snyder. None of the shots are all that good or really captures my interest level at this time. I think it's cool that a number of people have been able to send in pics and even some video clips of moveis like "Avengers: Assemble" and upcoming "Dark Knight" film Just remember people....this all raw pics/footage fo the actors in costumes, which will obviously get the major film treatment/CGI stuff done in heavy Post Production, so nothing is going to look "right"...i.e the way it does on film...for that we all have to wait until next year and 2013. In the past I...along with a lot of fellow Talk Backers here in this collumn...have been guilty of having made a lot of comments about pre-production pics, clips and even the way certain sets looked in a negative and snarky kind of way...only later to be pleasently surprised to see that the films which were critisized unneccesarily and unfairly turn out to be pretty excellent (a few that come to mind are "Thor", Captain America" and "Green Lantern") When the trailers for these films are finally released (probably around the time of the next Superbowl) that will show us what to really expect and think. Let's keep our fingers crossed, thoughts positive and hope that The Comic Gods do indeed deliver some amazing/incredible films that we the fans have been anticipating, salivating over and most of all deserving as Fanboys/Fangirls! :)
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST
Supes costume looks like a modified version of The Eradicators costume..
by yamayama
The suit actually looks pretty nifty, and intimidating at the same time.
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It's got cool stuff in it, but ultimately it doesn't improve the film any-doesn't make it worse, but doesn't make it better either..
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After sucker punch, maybe he'll get a taste of fear. This is a make it or break it movie for him. All his remaining chips are on the table. He MIGHT pull this off. What does Intrade say?
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST
Perfect Fleisher costume if it had a black background on the S.
by UltraTron
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He needs the red trunks. Dr Manhattan's dong is showing!
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I agree with everything you said above, right up until you said Green Lantern was"excellent" are you kiddi g?! That shit was as bad as this alleged superman film is going to be
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST
Yes he did, ultratron. Just google Fleischer Superman. Bunch of pics
by cookepuss
http://www.google.com/search?q=max+fleischer+superman&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1293&bih=869
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST
Hopefully this will make enough for him to go back and fix the ending to watchmen.
by UltraTron
Without the actual ending that movie is fucked. It doesn't know what it is. It's a science fiction movie that wants to be a cold war political thriller.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST
Please get Michael Giacchino to score this movie! DO NOT USE TYLER BATES
by DrPain
Please don't do it Snyder. I know he's his go to composer but Bates ain't up for it. Look at his work on Conan. I'm glad Zimmer is out too. Get a fresh new Composer, somebody with talent and ambition to make a name for him or herself. If you guys ain't going to use any of the Williams iconic score, you're going to need all the help you can muster up.
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.....would kill me for saying this but: Let's give the superhero shit a rest for like 5 minutes. OK, Hollywood? C'mon, now......enough. Really. Too much of a (not very) good thing.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST
Strange thing is how removing trunks can possibly absolve them of payments to the Siegel estate.
by matineer
It's not any less Superman because the trunks are missing. I prefer the trunks on artistic grounds -- they just balance out the look. If they make money (by taking it from creators) by making little changes ( Rebel Kirk, anyone) this explains reboots.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST
Hey, if Spielberg can exec produce Bay, Nolan can exec produce Snyder
by openthepodbaydoorshal
...not saying thats a good thing. Did Warner's hire Synder based on footage from Sucker Punch, cuz they sure didn't hire him because of it's BO receipts. And the fact that the movie was a mess. A good looking mess, but a mess just the same.
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When they released the first official pic of Routh as Supes, I knew that that movie was going to be a mess. The opposite thing happened when I saw Cavil in full gear. What I'm saying - if I'm saying anything - is that I have high hopes for this Man of Steel, based on the iconic visual of Superman and the talent behind it.
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but man a part of them during the filming of this must be saying to themselves: this is so weird. I am in parking lot in broad daylight dressed like Superman and pretending to be a superhero. They commit people to institutions for this. As far as the trunks are concerned. I really don't care. I am tired of all superhero movies and think we should start boycotting them all until Hollywood realizes there are other stories worth spending a bazillion dollars on.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST
DC= Rubber Muscle Suits. Marvel=real muscle heads. Excelcior!!!!!!!!!!!
by picardsucks
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST
Margo Kidder was just arrested for protesting the lack of undies!
by DrPain
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST
Ummm...well..guess it'll answer the question if Cavill's
by openthepodbaydoorshal
circumsized...
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Brandon Routh is jerking off to these pics.
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Where are the glittery ice skates?
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST
The trick for the red undies, is to make them a really dark red, much darker than the cape.
by hank henshaw
like Bruce Timm's superman. I find it funny that the trunks are unacceptable on a superhero outfit, but some how capes are fine. Fuck this shit. I passed on Superman Returns, I can perfectly skip watching this retarted Snyder movie too.
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The chick looks hot. You don’t see enough women with capes.
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The last chance to make him less dated and more interesting as a tridimensional character. They got the right director, great cast and Nolan's blessing. If this movie tanks, we can all forget about a new Superman franchise. Probabily we'll get to see him again only in a Batman vs Superman ou Justice League movie.
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If so, props. If not.......... for shame.
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They're probably planning to do that so they can properly hide the bulge.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST
Not a big Snyder fan (see Watchmen, et al), but hes technically skilled and Dawn of the Dead was pretty darn good.
by dahveed1972
The casting had a lot to do with it, but it was good all the same. Wasnt a fan of 300 for the same reason i wasnt a fan of Sin City: I believe in adaptaion NOT duplication. And Watchmen just seemed to miss the whole point of the source material. That said, I dont think its been established that he's a mere hack ala McG and Bay and if hes truly collaborating with Nolan and DC, theres no obvious reason why the movie cant be good. And enough about the fucking shorts. Regardless of how you feel about this, its a done deal. There will be no last minute cgi-panty whateverthefuck. Get over it. As far as the score goes, its time to lay the Williams score to rest permanently. Its been so overplayed for the last 30+ years, so drilled into our collective heads, that theres no need to paste it into what i hope is a true reboot. Just close your eyes and there it will be in the back of your mind. Does anyone know if they're planning on recycling parts of the Williams score? I havent read anything about that.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST
Surprised to see the undies are a big deal for anyone
by Bass Ackwards
Of all the elements of Supes costume, that's the one I'd think everyone would really not care about either way. Ditching them seems like no big deal, costume seems to look just fine without them. I'm more bored with the super villain being in all black. Seriously, again? I don't want to see some wacky colored outfit, but anything other than this black look we've seen a hundred times would have been just slightly more interesting. Same costume, but maybe a real deep brown or gray, even white would be something. If these are Krpytonians too it'd be neat if their costumes evoked the same kind of regal air that Supes costume should. Maybe that CGI fella will end up with a more interesting look to him.
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he has a stick on top of his head to mark the character's height.- as someone else said, supes is having to look UP to it. weird multicolored suit he's wearing under the mocap gear.... reminds me of that one DC guy that was made up of different elements... metamorpho? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamorpho
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST
Fuck the shorts you losers. Time for change anyways. Now about that big tall fucker...
by LowDevil
wearing the mocap suit. CANT WAIT TO SEE SUPES LOOSEN SOME MONSTER TEETH!!!!!!!
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST
And a new "look" for Superman (ie one that doesnt look he stepped out of an Alex Ross painting or a clone of Chris Reeve) is also a good thing.
by dahveed1972
Let the past be the past for fucks sake. Wanting more of the same is what gave us Superman Returns. MOVE ON!!
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST
supes fighting someone bigger than him- cool no matter what
by zom-bot.com
jesus it's about fucking TIME. finally the movie doing something the comics have done for half a century- having supes fight a larger menace. i wonder though- who is it? darkseid? doomsday? or is zod somehow bigger?
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All of Snyder's failings have been related to the movie's plots. (Though I really liked 300.) The guy's movies LOOK fantastic. Watchmen was a beautiful film; so was Sucker Punch. Now imagine if he had collaborated with Nolan on Sucker Punch. That might be a film worth laying down money for. Personally- I'm excited as he'll for this film.
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Don't make me suck your dick...
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I miss the red undies. As for the codpiece, I think Alexander Salkind put it best. "Either he has a big one or he has nothing!"
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST
Come to think of it, all the crap i hated about Watchmen could actually work in a Supes movie. Im fairly sure this isnt a rationalization.
by dahveed1972
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...Superman Returns a masterpiece. Snyder has substantially less then even no idea about how to portray the MOS. The suit is the least of your worries, the hair, look at the fucking hair, and most importantly Caville? Who the fuck is Caville when compared to Reeves, who btw attended Julliard, so his acting was in no way wooden, but entirely believable. Just listen to Caville in the Immortals trailer - there's more wood in that voice than the entire fucking Amazon Rainforest. His is the highest order of ineptitude where feature film acting is concerned. Whatever dialogue settles into his tone, his pitch, intonation and word prominence is completely of key; his delivery of lines will be completely and utterly unbelievable, and I really do mean unbelievable. In short, Snyder's a cunt! Should not have even been considered, and when he was, he ought to have been fired immediately upon the release of Sucker Punch. Mark my words people, Superman Returns will be, if it already isn't, a MASTERPIECE. Go suck a bag o' dicks motherfuckers!!
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST
You guys do know that "the big tall guy with the reference on his head"
by inkingeekX
Could just as easily be referencing something tall or high-not necessarily a character. He could be referencing a building, debris, a bird, anything.
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Not his genitalia or anything, but I think he's got a better Superman build than Brandon Routh.
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Nice to see DC is continuing it's 20 year run of screwing up it's films (aside from BB and DKR)
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Over the course of all the Supes talkbacks I continue to see this sentiment that Nolan can reign/focus/save Snyder from himself. His involvement with this picture is essentially over. Goyer had an idea that Nolan liked, and basically all he did was help Goyer develop it and put his name on it to help push the idea to the studio. Goyer wrote it, Snyder's directing it, he's basically said his focus is on his next film (Batman) and that Supes is Snyder's project now, and he's not really going to have anything to do with it.
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I do want something different-but I also want the character to look like the character. I want bright colors to inspire hope to the people of metropolis, I want the mundies cuz the all blue looks too plain, I don't want the scalely texture cuz, frankly, it looks stupid. Everybody who say they want something different and they're glad the suit has changed dont seem to be saying anything about the fact that Faora is wearing essentially the same Sistine as Ursula in Superman II-complete with the same hair style. Remember-wanting something different gave us Batman and Robin
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Anyone read this,....?
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I especially love the part where Goyer and the Nolans all said they don't like Superman...nothing excites me more than knowing that the next film to feature my favorite character was written by some guys who don't even like him-which means they've changed it to something they do like(probably dark and gritty) and ruined the essence of the chatacter
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST
Nolan's a fucking CUNT! Typical British, destroy everything and leave
by AllThosePowers
I hope he goes home one day to find his entire family - wife, kids and all - are all eating each other while still alive, each and every one feasting on limbs and torso. Yes, this is what I wish for Mr. Nolan to witness. That fucking cunt I hope he dies in the middle of batman, so Snyder has to step in, releasing him from MOS which then gets handed to a more competent director. Oh I also hope WB offices all blow up with everybody in it, from all the execs right down to the cleaners, wipe them all out please God
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST
Love the Romney comparison, seasider. That made me chuckle.
by AzulTool
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WTF is this?! NO SHORTS?!!! I thought his hair was enough to push me away! It isn't nearly Reeve-y enough. Obviously this means that the director, producers, actors, DP's, Grips, etc. etc. don't appreciate the original source material! Seriously, do you hear yourselves? Get over it and maybe be excited that Superman will actually be interesting for once.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
To be accurate, outside of Superman, plenty of critics accused Reeve of being one dimensional and
by dahveed1972
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I think I have read a few more tbackers in here coming to the same conclusion that its not Zod at all, but Doomsday/Darkseid. I am of the firm opinion that its Darkseid. Doomsday does not have a female sidekick. Could it be Metallo? With the General Sam Lane hitch - yes. It could very well be that case, but I think that still does not explain the alien next to him - hence, I stick with Darkseid. Darkseid plunges entire world into submission. Metallo challenges Supes. That's it - who is the bigger villain? Its not Zod. Get over it. This is Darkseid. And we love that. Now onto the red panties stuff .... I am a purist and I would prefer Supes with it on. I still think Routh would have done the trick, but an 'action' reboot requires a new actor and Cavill can be impressive. (I prefer Routh...)
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST
..."wooden". Im not saying that, but he had trouble getting big parts because of this perception
by dahveed1972
Criticizing Cavill before youve heard even one line of dialogue makes you, by definition, a douche and an idiot. If you are a douch and an idiot, it would be much safer for you to wait til the movie comes out, and if the consensus is that hes terrible, THEN you can criticize him without outing yourself.
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You really thunk he'll be interesting? He won't-in Snyder's hands he'll be a smaller hulk in a blue suit-just smashing shit in slow mo. And it's not about staying faithful to Reeve, or Donner-it's about being faithful to the essence of the character-and I can already tell by the tidbits we've heard about the story, and by that stupid ass costume that they've lost sight of it
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST
And Batman and Robin wasnt "different", it was throwback to the silly 60's Batman. so bad example there.
by dahveed1972
And i agree that the chicks outfit looks too much like whatshernames from SII. As far as Supes costume goes, as i already said, its a DONE DEAL. Dont be a fucking broken record.
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No red pantaroos = No ticket purchase from me. Simple as that. Fuckers.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST
DC or Marvel should introduce Motion Capture Man as a new villain in their comics.
by Royston Lodge
Heh heh heh...
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST
Honestly after Superman Returns the costume is the last of my worries...
by The_guy_in_the_rated_R_movie
I just want Superman thats full of action. I want to see shit blown up and Superman kicks some ass....not a goddamn 2 hours love note to the original film were the villains evil plan is a fucking real estate scam.
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13 Episode pick up.
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FAIL In a few weeks I've gone from optimistic to horrified for this film.
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So it's about the name calling? Typical of this site-I agree though that the actor should have a chance-and Cavill showed me his talent in hits such as Blood Crwek and Hellraiser:Hellboumd-stellar performances on both counts. And his "acting" in tbe Immortals trailer really impressed me-the way he half heartey delivered roughly the same speech as every other warrior in the last 20 years of film-amazing. I agree-it's a done deal-dowant mean I or any fan of tbe comic-not just the previous movies-have to like it. I'm glad theyre trying to be different from Donner-but in doing so they're deviating too much from the character
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then Returns was an ode to Donner and Reeve-so what's the difference?
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"You hit like a girl, Superman".
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST
"Batman and Robin was an ode to the campy 60's" I though it was an ode to general bad studio blockbuster filmmaking. As in, the usual.
by AsimovLives
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2 p.m. CST
by anjin-san: "Just make a great movie!" Aren't you asking too much from Zack Snyder? He can't even make normal average anymore. It's all shit.
by AsimovLives
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST
HAHAHAHAH, ZOD, hahahahahahahh. Thats all they had. WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS
by the Green Gargantua
CHICKEN SHIT EXECS.
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Get off his nuts and maybe that would not happen.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST
What if the story was good but the superman suit was wrong? You guys could live with that?
by AsimovLives
What is mroe important to you, a good story or a Superman suit that would look right to you, as according to the Superman comics you grew up with?
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http://bonzulac.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d34lm7s Pretty close, though.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST
Beside,s there will never be a concensus about what is the right way for the Superman suit to look good, so it's kinda a moot point, anyway.
by AsimovLives
It is literally impossible to please everybody. So somebody will come out displeased. Better deal with it already.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2:05 p.m. CST
PARASITE, BIZARO, APOCALYPSE, GRUNDY, DOOMSDAY and you do another Zod.
by the Green Gargantua
without the trunks (which will return in the comics soon as they realize how lame it is)
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST
I'm bored of grown men dressed like the Village People, comics are for children.
by Arkhaminmate001
Can we have some grown up sci fi movies pleeeze! I'm not a 40 year old teenager.
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You fanboys and your fashion sense.
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The no underwear is a sign to me that they are ready for an updated, modern take that audiences of today will be able to relate to and enjoy. Regardless though, Snyder will make it look great on film. The big question is the script.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST
Batman and Robin was both, Asimov. I was making a separate but related argument.
by dahveed1972
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST
And im totally with you on the story and characterizations being paramount.
by dahveed1972
now im scared.
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why do you care then about this place or this movie or this character... why bother posting you fucking hack! just kill yourself and stop pretending you don´t like men in tights... only a fag would reference the village people. Fuck you! :)
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When Returns came out everyone complained how bad the suit looked - and one of the biggest complaints (other than the "S") was that in 2006, the red undies just don't work on screen anymore - it was too damned silly for a modern audience. I read those comments right here on AICN. Now, we get a suit without the underoos, and everyone complains. HAHAHAHA. Like I said, nerds are dumb. Make up your minds.
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Its too bad about the lack of creativity in hollywood / dc. Shouldve done this super retro, like TAKES PLACE in the forties. That is really the only time you can pull off all of superman's gimmicks. The manties, the secret identity, etc.
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Maybe,just maybe it will be a good film,that's all I am asking,....
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A good story.A film that justifies me spending money on,...
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Funny, because I was just thinking about that the other day. This film has Zod and Ursa only becasue that's what the WB execs think is the safest bet. Think about it. They used Luthor AGAIN in Returns because that was the safest way to reboot the franchise at the time. Now that everyone's unhappy with Returns, what do they do? Go to the next safest bet: ZOD!!! Because he was in Superman 2 remember everyone?! Maybe the story will kick ass. I don't know, but it seems to me if they HAVE to do another origin, then Brainiac would've been ideal! But even if not, why Zod AGAIN? Because it's safe. That's why. I'm one of the few who really hopes this movie kicks ass. I think Snyder has it in him - I'm not giving up on him yet. But I'm still leery about this whole Zod/Ursa/Origin stuff. Just on the surface, it seems like a bad idea - something that should've been thrown out in the brainstorming stage. But, oh well, I'll try my best to keep an open mind. Really hoping this is a GOOD film. I know it's a lot to ask for these days.
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I don't mind the lack of red trunks, but the costume would look better with a red belt around the waist to break up the blue.
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The boots look weird now that the red underwear is gone. They should have just given him blue boots that matched the costume.
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...because originally they needed something to cover the "package" when men wear tights. It's true! Dancers and circus performers do the same thing. Original design of comic book hero costumes were tights so they followed the same idea. Nowadays with rubber suits and CGI costumes, they underwear look is unnecessary -- BUT this Superman costume looks like a form-fitting suit, not body-armor. Those are Cavill's real muscles. SO, will people criticize Superman's junk as much as they mocked Shumacher's codpieces in the Batman movies? Give the man som shorts, it's a family picture! :)
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Mesa gettin' very very scared.
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Cavill looks incredible as the Man of Steel! The suit hits all the right notes (sans manties, thank God). And the musculature, "enhanced" or not, will sell it even better. Snyder nonwithstanding, this is going to clobber the dreadful Superman Returns on every level. Admittedly, that's not a hard goal to accomplish, but it's lookin' good so far!
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I know its just the motion capture suits. But wouldn't it be cool if they did a cross over movie...
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST
If the trunks looked like actual trunks with legs instead of Speedos,
by Dennis_Moore
They wouldn't be as silly. Suit's too dark as well. Ursa/Faora looks great, though. No more Fleetwood Mac shirts.
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This thread is full of grown men crying over a fictional character's underwear color! LOL! Fags....
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I'd be ecstatic if the story was good-and, if my theory proves correct, it most likely will ne. sadly, Netflix is full of movies that had great stories, but the wrong director and the wrong actors killed it. We shouldn't have to sacrifice one for the other,"the story sucks but the performances were great" or "the story was great-and I see where they were trying to go-but wooden performances by an all-star vast just couldn't get it there" are becoming all too familiar reviews
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was the best thing in Pandorum. She can actually do action, not just pose like your Anne Hathaway types. Sorry, Anne, but Catwoman is supposed to *scare* males, not make them feel protective.
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are you familiar with Earth One? I believe theyre pretty much doing thar entire story-bur with Zod instead of Tyrrell-because-he's a safer bet lol. The story is actually quite good-though I didn't care for the superman design-which basically looks just like what Cavill is wearing...
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST
Oh boy! I bet that's the beginning of some kind of apocalyptic throw down.
by NeonFrisbee
I really hope this is good. Don't fuck this up Snyder you fucking hack.
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Just noticed that. Say it aint so. Is he wearing Wonder Woman's bulletproof bracelets???
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Aug. 24, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST
Thank you, Zack. If it wasn't for Dr. Manhattan's big blue schwantz, I would have never come up with my sign-on name.
by AzulTool
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WTF Okay, I'll calm down now. Stop looking! Stop looking!
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Look at the PR release photo of the costume, looks like it just has a bit more give/twistyness (or whatever) in some areas of the costume, probably just causes it to reflect differently then the rest of the costume in certain poses/light. No big deal.
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Even as a way back fan the undies just never worked. The only thing iconic about them is how silly they've always looked. We just learned to live-with-it out of respect for the wonderful character created. But they've needed to go. FINALLY someone made the change, thank you!
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Aug. 24, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST
by anjin-san: "A good story.A film that justifies me spending money on" Good luck with that on a movie made by Zack Snyder.
by AsimovLives
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Tell Kevin Smith that Robert Evans finally won. They've cut off Superman's balls. And WTF with statements like "SO GLAD they got rid of the underwear." That sounds like a quote from the NAMBLA coat of arms.
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it's almost as bad as the failed Nick Cage superman suit! i have a feeling Snyder will miss the mark (again!) with this adaptation.
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ok fools-Obviously this iteration of General Zod will look nothing like Terence Stamp's inimitable portrayal. Instead, Zod will most likely appear as he's been drawn...in THE COMICS...since about 2005. That is to say, large, in charge, and with badass spiky Kryptonian armor and a helmet that would make Maximus Decimus Meridius, General of the Felix Legions, weep with joy. Just sayin'....if you thought Snyder/Nolan...(SNolan, if you will) would do a straight requel and give in to an extremely difficult balancing act like Bryan Singer had to attempt, then...you're wrong. And as for Cavill, get off your asses, procure the Tudors in the most expedient fashion, and watch his noble performance as King Henry's most trusted friend and confidant, then tell me he won't nail the dramatic scenes standing toe to toe with Shannon and Traue.
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It seems that Snyder has a huge impulse to show off male genitalia in his movies. First the big CGI slong, and now Superman's obvious crotch. The dude loves the cock.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST
There are times i almost wish the Burton/Nicolas Cage Superman movie had been done.
by AsimovLives
That would had been one of the top most surreal blockbuster movie from Holywood ever made.
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F.U. Hollywood. Just make the stories better, and leave the goddamned costumes alone. Before we believe a man can fly, I want to believe he's REAL. Everything else is SURFACE. I hate the new comics update, and I hate the new movie design. F.U. D.C. F.U. Snyder. And while we're at it, F.U. Shumacher. Have fun with your gay porn versions of traditional superheroes, you dickwads.
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He is playing Non who is a genius scientist who is disfigured and given brain damage by Kryptons Judges for illegall science along with Jor-El so now he hates the EL family feeling he was sold out
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And not just another human, or superpowered humanoid. The lack of imagination in the Superman franchise has been staggering. Superman, over the 70+ years of his existence has fought every kind of alien and monster imaginable, and all they can come up with in movies is Lex Luthor or some Kryptonians. Pitiful. Hopefully, Snyder has a lot more imagination than that.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST
I would also welcome some novel (but plausible) explanation for how Clark keeps from being outed on Gawker-Metropolis as Superman like within 5 minutes.
by dahveed1972
Whatever troll was clamoring for a 40's Superman movie did get one thing right: slicked back hair and glasses just aint gonna cut it in a world with iphones, facial recognition, camcorders, etc. I dont have any suggestions off the top of my head, but there has to be a better alternative. Maybe some arcane Kryptonian technology? Jor El was a genius after all, with a real gift for foresight. I dont expect them to tackle this particular issue, but if the did id be ok with it even if it veered from canon.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST
Don't worry bitter AICN fanboys, Brandon Routh will be appearing at a COMIC-CON near you!
by Grant
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join this page and vent http://www.facebook.com/groups/123957104368429/
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or utilities? or even a belt? those tights are right on the skin, no belt is needed to keep them from falling off and superman doesnt need to store stuff on himself it takes him a microsecond to store any personal effects anywhere he wants and come back superman never 'needs' anything because it takes him a blink of an eyes worth of time to go back home and get whatever he needs and who is that villain? its brainiac
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST
You cant expect to erase the everyones general vision of Superman in a year and a half
by Phategod2
Yeah Everyone in DC is getting rebooted in a month (Lets see how long that last) Superman has been a household name for 60+ years everyone knows what his outfit looks like unfortunatly everything I've seen of this movie has Zack snyders style all over it. Now don't get me wrong I usually love Snyder's style most of the time the type of film he makes, complements his style, but Superman is not suppose to be dark brooding and filmed in Sepia, with CGI backgrounds.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST
I raise an eyebrow at these being definitive, the belt seems to be missing too
by Dolmes
Remember they go on over the top ;)
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I won't even dignify SUCKERPUNCH by calling it a movie. It was an overblown music video/video game and I can't believe that I actually spent money to see it. Honestly, I would love the opportunity of asking Zack Snyder for my money back. I figure that it's the least he can do since I can never get back the 2 hours of my life that I wasted watching it. As for the red underwear... Superman, much like Mickey Mouse, is one of the most famous and and instantly recognizable fictional characters in the world. Would you make a Mickey Mouse movie without his red shorts? If you feel the "undies" are silly, then why not get rid of the cape as well, or the flying, etc. It's the nature of the source material. I never cease to be amazed by some of the decisions the suits working at the studios make... like greenlighting SUCKERPUNCH, for one. I could have saved the studio millions of dollars and told them that it was going to be shit just by reading the screenplay (if one was even written for it).
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST
Also, id be ok with an explanation for why kryptonians look completely human. Red Son covered this
by dahveed1972
Dont expect them to cover this either, but i wouldnt be averse to a few moments of exposition (jor el talking to his wife maybe) perhaps revealing some krypton/earth connection from the distant past. Id actually prefer if Kal El wasnt aware of this connection, but its all probably moot anyway. Yes, Im a nerd.
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I also heard they're gonna CGI some tighty whiteys on his costume to get the PG-13 rating..the unrated directors cut he'll be panty less.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST
Some of you are actually calling the new suit 'gay' because it doesn't have the undies?
by THE_CHOPPAH
Wait ... and obsessing over a bulging muscleman's tight-fitting clothing isn't?
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hello mr. prostate, meet mr. tongue
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST
God forbid filmmakers give a little play to gay subtext in superhero movies.
by THE_CHOPPAH
Superheroes, who have been drawn and created mostly by men, are often handsome men with impossibly chiseled physiques wearing tight-fitting clothes. It's a little self-evident, no?
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I think that's a good thing.
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I know it will probably look better in the finished film but I just don't like the shiney, textured rubber look of most super hero movie suits these days. Not fussed either way if the undies are there or not but perhaps a yellow belt might help to break up the blue a bit?
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Aug. 24, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST
allthosepowers, consider changing your name to Nonsequitorman
by dahveed1972
And feel free to NOT share every stupid thought that pops into your head. just some friendly advice.
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hollywoodhellraiser said: "Dunno what Warner/DC is trying to do but this just going to be a charmless Supes who punches his way throughout the movie!" That's EXACTLY what I want to see. I want to see superman being super and punching faces... Superman Returns tried to further the superman storyline and didn't seem to care about showing superman kick ass... instead we got melodrama... That's why I think Synder will make this work--he's a visual storyteller and I want the new superman movie to be a SPECTACLE, and that's right up synder's alley
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It's underwear that's fun to wear.
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No. That's me. Thank you.
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In fact, Superman as a commie actually made a lot of sense.
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Join the group Superman's Shorts on Facebook and vent.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 5:07 p.m. CST
by d.vader: "The suit does make him look pretty God-like" Yeah, but which god are you talking about? Anubis?
by AsimovLives
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Aug. 24, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST
This talkback made me realsie that AICN geeks are very seriously fashion conscious. Well, comic book characters fashion, anyways.
by AsimovLives
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I like the idea of him looking like more than just a cute mensch in pastel underoos. I understand its a bit of a departure, but i think its much more interesting for them to emphasize his alien otherness more than they have previously. And a touch of angst wouldnt necessarily be a bad thing. The guy is supposedly trying to figure things out. Maybe by the end of the movie he can become this boyscout/shining beacon for democracy blah blah blah.
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That chick's outfit doesn't look kryptonian. Look at the mini pop collar, and the cape. Looks like some freaky Darkseid team mate.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST
Asimov, Millar is hit or miss with me, but i really enjoyed Red Son.
by dahveed1972
And even though im usually skeptical about the whole time travel trope, I thought its use in Red Son was rather elegant. And it explained (somewhat) why Kryptonians look human.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST
Looks fucking SWEET. all AICN nerds cry too much. pussys.
by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG
this looks cool so far... he looks very superman-ish in the costume.
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...god I love the fact that a day can be spent deliberating the inclusion/exclusion of red pants. Maybe Snyder is fucking with us and those red tighties will be be cgi'd in afterwards - maybe he has Linford Christie mo'capping them as we speak. Fill it with fucking action. That's the film, by the way, not the pants.
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Brah, I'm pretty confident that they are indeed Kryptonian...the problem is that most people still have the semi-senile looking Terence Stamp (no diss on his performance, he simply looks old) and Richard Kiel and the other lady firmly in mind. Find a pic of recent iterations of Zod (2005-forward) in the comics, and I'm sure you'll agree that's precisely the aesthetic they're going for in this iteration of Supes.
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no pants though ..... wonder if he has pockets
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Completly agree with what you said about RED SON. The ending was quite a very elegant way to finish the story, and as you said, it actually does make quite a lot of sense. It's also quite poetic in the revel of who Superman was. Brillant story, RED SON. Makes me even wish that was the real official Superman. I heard that once John Cleese from Monthy Pythons once wrote an alternative history Superman comic in which this time Superman as a baby instead of landing in USA he did in rural England. He was called COLIN KENT, and he grew upa stereotypical repressed englishman of the 1950s. His powers came late to him because he was constantly repressing them. Never read that comic, but aparently it's quite good, and pretty funny.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST
Hope they do something to make more believable that he is able to disguise himself with a pair of glasses.
by hank henshaw
Yeah, if trunks really are that ridiculous (the red trunks are an integral part of the look of the character for over 70 years), they should have removed the cape for being just as impractical and ridiculous. Also, how is that possible that he puts some glasses on and no one can tell Superman apart from Clark Kent? How does that fit the "real" world Goyer, Snyder and Nolan are aiming for? Whatever, the spitcurl is gone too. Basically this shit is shaping up to be just as bad as Superman Returns but for entirely different reasons.
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I also agree with you that any future Superman movie should emphasise his alieness. He is, indeed, the Son Of Krypton. Too often Superman is just an alien in name only, he's always presented as fully human, when he's not. It's about time Superman is a Son Of Krypton for real instead of just lip service. Fri example, his tireless atempt at doing the right thing and help those in need without ever corrupting himself with his own power could be an essencial kryptonian characteristic of which his moral uprising by the Kents just gave him a patern and a philosophy to back him up. He had it in him, he just needed a name to go with it.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST
Anyone wish tim burton got this gig now instead of synder
by kingoflight
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No, i don't beleive that Tim Burton could make a good Superman movie. He would fuck up royally. The only issue is, would he fuck up interestingly?
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Facebook.
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At least from the fifties on(previously, Clark Kent was an intrepid reporter-fearless and typical of the 1940's Hollywood ideal of a man), is not the look so much as the act. Clark Kent is such a bumbling fool that he can't POSSIBLY be Superman! Superman never trips, stutters, or makes mistakes, etc...and I know-most people would assume that it was a disguise-but we live in a world of reality and cynicism, comics are a world of black and white...
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Aug. 24, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST
Does this mean Ultraman gets to wear his underwear on the outside now?
by Anti-fanboy
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Apart from him acting like a bumbling fool, I think, is that no one suspects Superman of actually having a secret identity. People just think he's Superman all the time, because to the people of that world he's basically a god. At least, that was an explanation given in one of those Superman/Batman comics, I think... and I always thought it was a pretty good one.
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... that film DID NOT use the iconic James Bond music, however they returned to it in Quantum of Solace.
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What I was thinking seeing this now and listening to Kevin Smith. Snyder and Burton remind me so much of each other Snyder is Burton of tis generation, he might be an actual fit for a Batman Reboot or a Daredevil reboot not Superman.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST
Snyder and Burton similar? Sorry dont see it. And referencing Kevin Smith doesnt help your argument. Quite the opposite.
by dahveed1972
Feel free to explain, at length, how "Snyder is Burton if tis generation" cuz Im not seeing it. At all.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST
And im talking Burton at his ideosyncratic best (Beetlejuice, Batman, Ed Wood, Sweeney Todd)
by dahveed1972
Not Alice, which i agree Snyder probably couldve done to similar effect.
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A BUFF Superman!! Hmm.. his name is Superman yet he's always been portrayed on screen as an "everyman" size. Routh was freaking yoked but Singers painted-on costume didn't show it off. Reeve was tiny. I'm so glad Snyder is going the buff and tuff route with this Superman film. About. Damn. Time. Also I'm glad the one part of Superman's costume that has been made fun of the most in his entire 73 year career is GONE. FUCK those stupid red undies.
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they need a more striking belt line to offset the absence of the trunks. So, no surprise then that Hollywood has fucked up Supie's costume. You didn't expect them to reinvent it and actually improve it did you? Hollywood can't do that. Not enough talent to go around in that town.But you can bet there's an awesome fast food tie-in all set in stone. The toy line and the video game are near completion. You knew they'd get that right. And, really, that's all that counts.
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It's obviously Non... like you've all forgot about that big movie lumox?!... you know Zod's big muscle-head in the best Superman movie ever... II... actor had to wear platform shoes to look taller... but it just made him look the same size as everyone else... but on platform shoes... only now they prob using something called cgi instead of platform shoes... This shot is prob Non and newly-named villain chick (what the fuck is wrong with the name Ursa?)... squaring up to Superpantless after Zod has been kicked into a billboard... or summit... I just hope they have Terrence Stamp playing one of the Kryptonite Council of Elders... Guilty... Guilty... Guilty... (gets to Terrence) Kneeel before... oh sorry... CUT!
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Aug. 24, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST
Seriously Thats WAY better than a sum fruity dude Flying around in RED underware ..this is 2011 lets be real here..Thats a helluva lot Betta
by shawn rhoades
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Aug. 24, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST
Please god, let there be NO references to the Donner movies. Amen.
by dahveed1972
Enough already. Its been 30+ years, and those years have seen MANY MANY different interpretations of this character. There is absolutely no need for cameos or easter eggs or allusions to those earlier films. I grew up with them, I love them, but its over. Move the fuck on.
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or he has a small one and there is no need.?
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superman.from stalker,to wife beater.
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New score. New look. New plot. Best thing about this film thus far is Lex Luthor isn't in it. So now we know there will be no; real estate scheme, retarded henchmen, bad guys made of the sun(fucking lol), kryptonite. Although they could easily equip the military with krypto. Since it seems the military will be heavily involved as their are two main characters playing military roles, i'd be ok with them using kryptonite against the Kryptonians. Epic.
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Yeah, sure they are. And President Rick Perry will save America too. You're fucking HIGH. Those are Schumacher's left-over rubber muscles. With nipples and fake junk. This movie is D.O.A.
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OK. I'll be real. Kid, get the fuck over yourself. When people think Superman, they are always gonna think red undies on the outside. It's been that way for 70 years. It'll be that way seventy years from now. Tell me all about how sophisticated you are and how you're above red panties and blah-blah-blah. You're HIGHER than the guy who thinks those are Cavil's real muscles. Don't do drugs. Everybody's dumber when they do drugs. And you Millennials don't have that much intelligence you can waste.
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and put him in one of Chris Reeves old non rubber muscle suits
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Aug. 24, 2011, 8:17 p.m. CST
Im also glad Lex isnt the big baddie. Especially the "used car salesman" version of the character.
by dahveed1972
But a Luthor thats smarter than Einstein, richer than Bill Gates, more ambitious than Alexander, and more ruthless than Stalin, now that i could get excited about. Casting, of course, would be absolutely crucial. I wouldnt even mind if lexcorp, or even lex himself, is mentioned in passing in MOS. But if hes gonna be in the sequel, he better be an utter badass.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 8:32 p.m. CST
Superman is just using his red undies to gag a hooker in his basement. Yep, this is a grittier Superman.
by Tristan
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He's usually kind of lame.
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There is no subtext. It's plain as day. This is gay. Beyond gay. Those Schumacher rubber muscles don't evoke super strength or anything super, really. Nope. They're THUPER. Thuperman looks like he'd be better off strutting around Provincetown with his partner, a hairdresser named Raul. Ugh.
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That's neat how they ripped off that weird scaly look from the Spiderman reboot, even going so far as to obscure the crotch in the official picture, that's really cool what they're doing with superheroes these days. Hope they continue follow this formula for success with the traditional face-fucking of a stuntman, but maybe that's a Marvel vs. DC thing? I always get those confused?
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Cavill is 6'1" and 235 pounds. Reeve was 6'4" and 225 pounds.
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Fuck you all.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST
I don't mind small nods to the Donner films and other Supes stuff..
by darthwaz1
as long as they're just small things, here and there, and not the entire movie like Supmerman Returns...what the fuck was that?? On the heels of Batman Begins no less. A great fresh take on Batman, then a quasi shit reboot/sequel of Donner's Superman..?
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I agree. Snyder is a bloody hack.
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Why is Supes sporting wood? I mean really...fucker looks like he is packing the knucklebone of an Ox in his crotch.
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Have them be the ones invading earth: Ultraman, Owlman and Super Woman forcing supes in sequel to bring together JLA. Yeah, I know wont happen but Super Womans outfit is wayyy better than the super dominatrix above or the villainess from Masters of the Universe movie with Dolph which it looks like.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:12 p.m. CST
excellent, this is had to happen. Mickey Mouse didn't always look like Mickey Mouse. updates need to happen.
by NorthTronic
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:26 p.m. CST
Is that a stunt double?? It can't be Cavill. Dude looks to Buff. Maybe the suit is padded .
by The Founder
Looks just OK.
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... put on a pair of red fruit of the loom in protest.. Let's all do this, go out and buy fruit of the loom red underwear .. Then send them an email saying that we will support them if they decide to buy product placement in the new Superman movie and give Superman his red undies back! ... this could potentially work since the idiots at WB are only looking for the green paper right now..
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:40 p.m. CST
Mickey Mouse did not start off with undees. i'm glad the red trunks are gone.
by NorthTronic
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:43 p.m. CST
i just saw somthing. whats that on his thighs, grayish plates?
by NorthTronic
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:54 p.m. CST
Yeah i have to agree.that new superman costume is pretty cool.
by KilliK
I dont know about you guys but i have a very good feeling about this movie.I think we will finally get a great,modern superman movie.
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But superman looks really strange without red shorts -- almost generic even.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:56 p.m. CST
Looks like the DC Comics reboot affected the movie too...
by MrMysteryGuest
Superman has red underwear no more, anywhere!
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Zack Snyder has no problem with showing Dr. Manhattan's big blue schlong, but he's got an issue with having Superman in his red shorts??!!? I hope this movie flops bigger than Suckerpunch!
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..His hair looks a little more tame than in that Bank/promo shot that you all got so upset over. I actually quite like the new look they've taken here. Remember this is meant to be a NEW talk on the character and first and foremost it needs to distance itself from the classic Donner movies. I will miss it but the John Williams tune would do nothing but make the audience sit and compare the two (for better or worse) the entire time. I admire that they are removing the safety net and not connecting this film to the old ones like Returns did. I am frankly amazed that the suits signed of on this in the first place without Lex Luthor in there somewhere....Batman Begins played this way too with Ra's and Crane and look how well that turned out. We don't need the characters most well known villian in every single origin/reboot, its okay to save them for a sequel when the universe is nice and established. Although in saying this, I hope that if we 'must' have General Zod in this then at least give us Metallo or ( I wish) Darkseid. The latter would be amazing and really deserves his own 2-part sequel if you ask me. Just go all out and show some real loss and destruction of Earth and rase the stakes a little...don't just politelty shake Metropolis a little bit and have the climax be Supe's catching the Daily Planet Statue or pushing an island into space or something boring like that.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST
Also, for me, Kingdom Come was the last great superman story.
by Dr_PepperSpray
After that I didn't need another one -- but Superman Peace on Earth was a pretty good follow-up. <P> Perhaps I should give allstar superman a try.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:51 p.m. CST
Oh, and I didn't know Superman would be fighting Mo-Cap man in this new movie!
by Dr_PepperSpray
Someone needed to finally.
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Did Cavill have time to bulk up properly? I mean, theyre called steroids and they work great im told. Anyone know the answer? Not that i care, but muscle suits never look quite real, which is why Spidey and Batman stopped using them. Besides, I prefer a less musclebound Supes (in the comics anyway). Okay this slightly gay, so ill shut up now. Not that theres anything wrong with that.
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Aug. 25, 2011, midnight CST
And i like the sound of MO-CAP MAN. They should add him to Deadpool's rogues gallery.
by dahveed1972
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is foolish and selfish. Really, anyone uncomfortable with the flamboyant or outrageous depictions of these characters shouldn't bother making superhero movies, reading comic, or caring about the matter. It's as stupid as, say, a goth kid wishing professional sports would alter the designs of the uniforms to appeal to her sensibilities.
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Scratch that. It's not that I'm smarter, wiser, or nerdier. No, it's the fact that I appreciate the source material, the comics, and the Donner-era but I'm just tired of the same boy scout BULLSHIT. Aren't you?! I mean, it's great to think of a movie where all they did was capture the essence of the character, his story arc, and his rogue gallery. But let's be honest, that won't happen. So how about we let the IP become an artistic property. Something that the suits can greenlight, while allowing that special artistic integrity many of you now defend with Nolan. What if Superman didn't look like Reeves? What if he didn't act like a the "All-Amercan" boring BS? What if he had flaws, shit that made him more human than a boner for Louis and an affliction to Kryptonite. What if Snyder pulls off something fresh and special in a market saturated with supers? Let's be honest, if this doesn't work, the franchise is finished. I for one will not shed a tear considering the already nostalgic fervor many of you have for the Reeve's iteration (and his shorts). I can only hope this breathes new life into a character that has, for a long time, been a cardboard cutout of itself. Supe, I like seeing a new you; it looks good on us.
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It's gonna look awesome. Superman looks great, that chick looks good too.
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you'd be surprised how much muscle mass just taking creatine will do, it adds water. and there's other stuff you can take
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Aug. 25, 2011, 12:48 a.m. CST
No-shorts fans are ecstatic there is less material between his crotch and
by Dennis_Moore
their faces.
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then why don't they just do a complete overhaul? The half-assed redesigns in this and Spiderman are worse than any new idea they could possibly come up with. The new costume means this is a renter for me. Although in fairness it would have been anyway with Zack Snyder directing it.
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his costume looks EXACTLY like a Snyder production superhero costume. i.e., Watchmen
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then don't bother wasting our time. I think they have a nicer way of putting it in other countries but FUCK OFF.
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I'm GLAD that the superpanties are gone. In the 1930's, when Superman's costume was based off of something a circus strongman would wear, the superpanties looked just fine. They worked because they were meant to recall a very specific look--Superman was basically just an EXTRA strong "strongman" so it made sense. But modern day Superman is supposed to look regal, and majestic....a look that's impossible to maintain with the Superpanties. Everything about this uniform SCREAMS regality. It's perfect. Superman's suit needs to be a UNIFORM not a costume. And I, personally, never cared for the whole "Ma made the suit for me" thing. NEVER.
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Seriously? Insulting Snyder? You guys are ridiculous. Watchmen was FANTASTIC. His ending was BETTER (that's right nerd's, I said it).
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I love how the "no shorts" supporters keep falling back on the argument "It's time to move on! It's time to do something different! The shorts looked gay!" Riiiiiiiiight. Because walking around in a full blue body suit...with colored boots...as well as having an actual emblem on your chest... ...And most of all, dragging a big ass fucking CAPE behind you somehow looks MORE manly. Are you fucking kidding me! Let me repeat that for the terminally retarded around here. HE WALKS AROUND DRAGGING A FUCKING CAPE BEHIND HIM. Yet somehow you morons think the red shorts made him look gay. Seriously, WTF??? The shorts were there for a reason. They helped to break the costume up visually. They were a nice touch and I agree it's a misstep to remove them. Then again, considering I think this costume looks like UTTER SHIT anyway -- given its laughable rubber texture, coupled with a color choice that is waaaaay too dark -- what's the point in arguing about the shorts given that they fucked it up right from the start? For crying out loud, we're talking about THE most iconic superhero costume in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD -- yet Warner Bros, DC Comics and Snyder still managed to blow it. To which I say FUCK YOU for your ridiculous and misguided hipster thinking that you needed to "update" or "fix" the ONE thing that was NEVER broken. Good work, guys...NOT.
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I respect your opinion-I really do. To be honest-I agree with some of what you're saying. Here's the problem:much as I love the Donner/Reeve Superman-I'm not nostalgic at all. I'd love to see a fresh take on my favorite hero. But not with this Turd playing him, and not with Snyder directing. It's not a good fit. I could care less if it has a connection to another film-but for fuck's sake it should conne t to the comic-and it's about more than the mundies, or the stupid rubber scalely texture(though it's atrocious), it's about the fact that, "superman wandering the earth trying to decide if he wants to be a hero" is COMPLETELY contrary to the character. He never questioned it-he accepted it-gladly. It's about the fact that Snyder is not a competent storyteller on his own. Dawn of the dead wasn't really that good-sorry, it just wasn't. 300 was good because Feank Miller was on set everyday. Watchmen was good because he had Dabe Gibbons. Legend of the guardians he had the authors family, I believe. Sucker punch-all alone and it was crap-he loses sight of the narrative in favor of," you know what would be cool?!" and that's how you end up with dumb shit like zombie infants and Jonathan Kent being ripped away by a tornado. Sorry to get long winded-but I hope you understand where I'm coming from-it's not film nostalgia-it's reverence for a character that has been the same for over 70 years-and the fact that they haven't HAD to try to change it says something, I think
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It never ceases to amaze me just how pretentious these assholes in Hollywood are. What kind of ego does a guy like Tim Burton or Zack Snyder have to posess to think that they can improve on somebody else's art? No, Burton, you CAN'T write a better Alice in Wonderland than Carrol, no, Snyder, you insufferable douche, you CAN'T design a better superman costume than Siegel and Shuster...
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If they also get rid of the boots. So that the only red is on the top of the costume. Otherwise it just looks like something's missing. But the movie's gonna suck anyway. Henry Cavill's too small to be superman. And with Snyder directing there will be no naturalism, which I think is key to a good superhero story. Not realism mind you, but naturalism. The way a film can feel like its part of our world even tho its ridiculous. I've never seen anything by Snyder that wasn't deliberately surreal in style, and that includes Dawn of the Dead.
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I agree with you in that I'm over the whole origins mythos. Can I please just see Supe kick the shit out of Darkseid already? What if there was less exposition and more action? What if?
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I'm not trying to say I wouldn't LOVE some super ass kicking-but it can't come at the expense of sacrificing the character. You know what tbe best incarnations of Superman are? The straight to DVD DC animation. They GET IT! They get the whole essence of the character. They capture the action. For my money-the best watchable version of Superman was Allstar. It captured who he was as a character, his intelligence, his power, his will(and not to sound to cheesy), his love. THAT is something I'd live to see! Fuck yes it needs action-but it has to be Superman-he can't just pinch his wY through the entire movie lol
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would someone of the haters explain to me where exactly the movie failed so horribly??? In my eyes its one of the best comic book movies ever made and the changes it made to the source material made it even better than the comic by Alan Moore. GASP! Oh yeah, I said it! The ending was changed a bit, but it was more spot on about what it should say as the giant squid scenario. Sucker Punch sucked... I give you that, and Snyder is no Nolan or Scorsese, BUT he makes really fun flicks and is the best choice for Superman.
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That people are trying to say "HOW DARE SNYDER TRYING TO CHANGE SOMEONE ELSE'S CREATION WTF DOWN WITH HOLLYWOOD!!!11!" The Superman suit as been changed on a regular basis since its inception. The hue of blue, the type of boots, the type of belt, the size, shape and color scheme of the "S" symbol, the length of the cape, the neckline and even the color of the underpants. And now the suit has been changed again, and the Superpanties have been removed, both in the comics and the forthcoming movie. The Superman suit being changed is nothing new. So: GET OVER IT. Comic books are all about change, and as the first "true" superhero, Superman is as good an example of that as any.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 4:13 a.m. CST
Frankly, the pants and the suit for me are beside the point. The real ssiue to me is, will it be a good movie with a good story and interesting characters?
by AsimovLives
And frankly, from the director that it is, i can't expect this to go for the best. Quite the contrary. I guess my saving grace is that i was never a big fan of SUPERMAN. I enjoy the comics, but was never a fan. Never identified much with the character. There is a lot of true potential to the character, which is still left to be explored because the comics and the movies keep beating the same points again and again and again and again. And if this movie flops, the good i'll see of it is that it makes two on a row for Zack The Hack Snyder. And i enjoy seeing a hack's movie flop. It's the only way an hack can get the hurt, because their movies have no other merits besides crass comemrcialism.
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I actually love watchmen-the casting was spot on-the ending did make the point just as well-but sometimes muthafuckas just need giant squid haha! As I said before-Snyder is fine if given guidance-which he had on watchmen-he sucks on his own, and tbe fact that he feels the need to darken tbe suit colors up so much tells me thst he misses the point-superman is gonna slow mo ki k tbe shit outta this movie...and that's all. As for who would do better-I honestly couldn't say. It's hard to find that special director that can do both action and narrative. I might even be more hopeful for this film if tbe cast was better-but I feel like it's wrong on all counts, with tbe rxception, oddly, of Laurence Fishburne
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You're exactly right-they have tinkered and changed quite a bit-but they always return to the standard-and the colors are always bright
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Are you familiar with Earth One? Replace Tyrrell with Zod and throw in a little Amanda Waller government secret shit a'la Superman Batman:the Search for Kryptonite, and I believe you have your story...how Snyder translates it to the screen is questionable. Also-the Snyder suit is A LOT like Earth One
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and assifucks little head is gonna explode!!
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I said the ending of the Watchmen movie was better than the ending of the Watchmen comic Because.......drumroll please........It WAS a better ending! Watchmen is an amazing comic, but the fact of the matter is that Moore ripped off his ending from an old episode of The Twilight Zone. The ending of the Watchmen Film stays true to the point that the comic's ending was trying to prove, while making it a much more cohesive part of the overall plot. As I said, it's not an argument, it's a fact. And again, the Synder bashing is ridiculous. Dawn of the Dead: Fun as all hell 300: Amazing Watchmen: Amazing Legend of the Guardians: Fun kids flick Sucker Punch: Horrible, terrible, awful, complete misfire. Waste of my life that I wish I could get back. All in all: That's a track record that, along with a story conceived by the folks behind Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, I trust. The truth about comic book fans is that you all will automatically hate any movie that changes ANYTHING about your beloved heroes, even if the change makes sense, and improves upon the mythology of the character. You have a sense of ownership over these stories. They are YOURS, dammit and how dare someone try and steal your shit, and then CHANGE IT! I get it. Really, I do. But you're wrong. So get over it.
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Not going to waste any more of my time arguing with Snyder-bashing underpants-loving talkbackers. Because in order to have a true argument, a true DEBATE, both sides must have a valid point to prove. And a valid point is something the Snyder-bashing-underoo-lovers simply do not have.
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You make valid points, although I disagree, I think Dawn of the Dead was Terrible-I quite enjoyed the other three. The reason I don't trust, "the creators of BB and Dark Knight" is because they themselves admitted to NOT liking the character. I don't care how awesome your Batman movie is-if you don't like the character one of two things will happe. Either the movie will be halfassed or the character gets changed to something the writer DOES like-in Goyer and Nolan's case, that happens to be gritty, dark, and duplicitous. Superman? Duplicitous maybe, but dark and gritty? Not superman-that's just not the character. But I do 100% agree that we fans get defensive over "our" characters. But why shouldn't we? Superman, for example, as silly as it sounds, has gotten me through some very hard times in my life-and you're right-I don't want to see tbe essence if tbe character change. I could care less about the mundies-I think the all blue scaly shit looks stupid-but so be it. But I just don't think thR film is going to portray what it needs to...I hope I'm wrong-I truly do-but I fear I'm not
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I agree-and I Love debate and discussion-and I've had many good ones with fans on this site-but I can't stand tbe childishness on this site:you offer an opinion and you're a "douche" why? Isn't that what talkbacks are for? Anyhow-hope my opinion was valid enough to keep this one going-I enjoy you're poi t of view and respect the adulthood with which you conduct yourself. Honestly, I know he's not popular all tbe time and I don't always agree with him-but asimovlives usually refrains from the name calling as well-I've had a few good conversations with him as well
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Aug. 25, 2011, 4:49 a.m. CST
At least he doesn't have a collar like that horrible Jim Lee re-do
by smudgewhat
Lee = massively overrated ruiner of comics. He's like Art Adams doppelgänger without being any good. Loved Adams.
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I love Jim lee from the early 90's-however I haven't seen much of the new stuff-lol, I even have a Jim lee piece tattooed on the whole length of my upper leg haha-but a collar on superman does sound stupid-I shall have to look into this
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Nolan, Goyer, etc. were referring to the fact that they didn't see Superman as a character that they could make compelling for an audience to watch. He and Goyer came up with a great story, it seems, when they figured out that what makes Superman compelling is the "human element" underneath all of the abilities. How does a young man come to grips with being a god among men? How does he cope with the massive responsibility that his abilities entail? THAT is what makes superman compelling: WHY he wakes up every day, and decides to help human beings when he COULD be ruling them. Once the Nolan camp realized this, they realized that Superman is a character worth exploring on film. And to say that Nolan's involvement with Superman means that supes is going to be "dark and gritty" is missing the point as to WHY his Batman films achieved the "dark and gritty" feel to begin with. Nolan didn't create "dark and gritty" Batman movies, he created HONEST Batman movies. Batman movies that spoke to the true essence of the character, which is wrapped tightly in dark and gritty tones. Those movies achieved that tone organically, by speaking to the true nature of the Batman's character. And that's exactly what his story will do with Superman: speak to the true essence of Clark Kent's character. EVERY SINGLE film that Nolan has made have been completely character driven. The tone of his movies exists as an extension of the characters that he populates the film with. That's why I trust Nolan's story to get the tone right with Superman: because he's not a "dark and gritty filmmaker" he's a character filmmaker, and a DAMN good one at that. And Zak Snyder? He's a GIGANTIC Superman fan. This movie is his dream. He get's that Superman is a character meant to inspire hope. And when I said comic book fans get defensive, I was referring to the ridiculously small, unimportant things they get all up in a tizzy about like, say, weather or not their character is wearing underpants on the outside of his costume or not. But because the fans have lived with these characters for so long, even the little things become GIGANTIC. They just don't have any objectivity when it comes to their characters, thus very little about what they say regarding said little changes is valid. Believe me, I AM a huge comic fan. I understand. But that doesn't make it logical.
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A gritty tor seedy tone or some otherwise dark moody feel/its like that in all of his films. So I guess I'm left to wonder-do the characters in his films necessitate that, or do his characters conform to his style? And I agree 100%-nolan is perfect for Batman-because it suits his particular brand of filmmaking. I stand corrected-I thought I remember reading an interview with Goyer where he said he "hated Superman as a character-the boyscout thing and the always doing the right thing are dated and don't connect" something along those lines-which I disagree with-we need a Superman in the world NOW more than ever. I'm glad Snyder is a fan-but if it's his dream, why does he feel it necessary to anger what seems to be 90% of the rest of the fanbase by changing it? I'm a huge Superman fan-but that doesn't qualify me to make movies. And I'm not Dnyder bashing, per se, I rather like three out of five of his movies. I actually enjoy Bay movies too-but I know what I'm getting with it-a good escapist time at the multiplex. Snyder will bring action, sure, but can he deliver the goods on the rest of it? Snyder aside, I actually can't stand Cavill as an actor either. To be fair, I've only seen him for 5 minutes banging a chick in the Tudors, 5 minutes being an asshole in Stardust, and ten minutes each in hellraiser:hellbound and Bloodcreek, cuz it was all I could stand of those bullshit movies. also-I think what I've seen of his acti g in the immortals trailer looks horrible. But, maybe he won't suck. What worries me, is that he wasn't good enough for Singer, who, let's be honest, is a superior filmmaker to Snyder-say what you wNt about Superman Returns-but if that's singers worst movie, it's still better than suckerpunch. Please don't get disheartened or angry with me-these are honest questions I have-but you HAVE made me more open to the idea. Perhaps I should do what I did with Xmen first class and Avatar and reserve judgement...then again, I did that for Xnen the Last Stand too lol
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Aug. 25, 2011, 5:38 a.m. CST
It is a very compelling idea to look into the why's pf Superman though
by inkingeekX
Although I still think this is going to basically be Earth One...since Goyer and Nolan wrote this script right after that book hit...kind of like when Nolan came up with inception right after it was told in a Scroofe McDuck comic...lol-that doesn't diminish him as a filmmaker-I just find it humorous. I rather like Earth One tho-other than tbe ovey emo superman. Like I said above-Allstar superman is the best version they've done yet-animated or otherwise, on film
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300 - gay porn Watchmen - blue cock porn Sucker Punch - schoolgirl porn Superman - bulging rubber porn While not a fan of Snyder's work, because like porn, it gets boring after about 7 minutes, I think Cavill is the big mistake of this movie - he looks like a guy dressed up to look like Superman. You'd meet him at a Halloween party and think 'well he's certainly tried hard - now I realise how difficult it is for a grown man to wear a skin tight blue leotard with dignity and confidence'.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 5:52 a.m. CST
My other issues-besides Snyder and Cavill being questionable, is the rest of the cast
by inkingeekX
Amy Adams is a fine actress and a beautiful woman-but so is Helen Mirren and she's just about as good a pick as Adams for Lpis Lane(by this I mean not at all) Kevin Costener-love the guy! Totally gonna ruin every scene he's in in a film like this-this requires a suspension of disbelief, the actors have to pull you into the story-but Costener is always Costener, and every time he's on the screen, I'm just going be thinking,"yup, there's Kevin Costener" Bruce Greenwood would have been a better pick Russel Crowe-lo e him! Wasted on a part like this, where I'm sure he won't get much screen time Diane Lane-waaayyy too hot to be Martha-sorry, but, I shouldn't want to fuck Martha Kent more than Lois Lane...Julianne Moore would have worked better in that regard, but Disne will do fine Michael Shannon...fine actor, not intimidating to me in the least-would have been happier with Viggo Mortensen or Gerard Butler as Zod Laurence Fushburne...actually...I think he's a great fit for Perry-I don't give a shit what color he is-he's a good fit for the role
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I hear dof EARTH ONE, never read it. When i became a movie geek, comics became pretty secondary to me.
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No, the ending of the film Watchmen is far worst then the comics. It's a stupid, simplistic idiotic ending that doesn't even understand it's own implications. Which is to be expected from a Zack Brainless Snyder movie. It's so funny to see where Snyder crosses the line. Showing a god-like figure who's constantly naked and shows off his dong is acceptable to him but to show a monster creature which is DELIBERATLY SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE A WEIRD AS SHIT ALIEN FROM ANOTHER WORLD is where he thinks things had gone too far? Without even undestanding the why that was put in the comics? Snyder is a stupid ass bullshitter who can't compreend basic plot logic and it's implications. Fucker is an over-priced second unit director who should had never raised in rank.
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As for that sense of ownership thingy you mention, don't project into others your own way of thinking, dude. Maybe this is a novel concept to you, but me, i have a terrible dislike for stupidity in my entertaiment. And there's no lack of deep crass stupidity in Snyder's movies. Stupidity does not entertain me. Do you know what i mean?
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Aug. 25, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST
Dawn Of The Dead is the only Snyder movie that i have liked. But hindsight has ruined it for me.
by AsimovLives
now i cna only see the hints at the fucked up terrible filmmaker that Snyder became afterwars spreaded out in the movie. What ocne was tolerable little quirks in his first movie becames inflated and dominant in his movies afterwards. So no, i can't even endure Snyder's DAWN OF THE DEAD anymore. Not because i think it's a bad movie per se, but because i just keep seeing the seeds of the shit he become.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 6:14 a.m. CST
Zack Snyder, a guy whop the older be gets the more infantille and juvenille he becomes. And so does his movies.
by AsimovLives
He's like Michael Bay, he regresses as he gets older. The two fuckers must be suffering from some sort of Alzeimers.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 6:20 a.m. CST
louiscedar, however, i agree with much of what you said about Nolan's Batman movies.
by AsimovLives
Honesty, that's the key word you som very well pointed out. Those movies feel honest. Howeve,r you need to be able to pull that off, that honesty you speak of. Nolan can. But even if that's what they are going for Superman and they ahcieved on the script, i doubt it will translate to the screen. Why? Because of Snyder, that's why. People are just asking a sophistication from Snyder that he doesn't have. It's not enough that there's gold in the papel, you need to translate that to moving images. Snyder can't. He has a whole career as proof of that. Sucker Punch is the epithome of what he can achieve as a filmmaker, and it's quite sad. Not evn with a great original material like WATCHMEN he could make a movie that's not riddled with wrong-headed decisions and stupidity.
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I never got good escapism from a Bay (or snyder) movie. All i get is extreme insult and extreme stupidity. I do not equate those with entertaiment. i don't know what makes people find enjoyment in the type of movies which are nothing more then being called stupid to your face for two hours or more while you pay for the "priviledge". How can that be called entertaiment escapes me completly.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 6:33 a.m. CST
inkingeekx, sicne when Julianne Moore is not a highly fuckable woman? As sexy as Diane Lane if not more (she has the plus of being a real redhead).
by AsimovLives
If anything, the actors who are going to play the Kents, good and likable actors that they are, are just a bit TOO YOUNG for the role as i have learned from who the Kents are, or were as created. From what i have learned about the Kents, they should be modern day representations of the biblical figures of Abraham and Sarah. Two people who only got their first child already entering old age. And then, by miracle, this creature form another world, this boy from a space ship cames to their doorstep and becames their son. with it's due changes, it is a replay of the story of Abraham and Sarah. It's clear that the creators of Superman were thinking of that when they first created the character and his background. If anything, making the Kents odler then the actros who will portait them is a great chance at milking a potential dramatic possibility, one which could resonate with audiences: the couple who, after they lost hope, they finally get their own child. Who surpasses anything they could ever hope for or dreamed. The Kents as they are going to be in the Snyder's movie seems more like a repetition of the Kents as seen in SMALLVILLE: relatively young very good looking people who should be modeling, not working at a farm.
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Sure looks like Ursa. Why the new name? I agree with the costume complaints, too rubbery, too dark, too blue, too long a cape. Maybe it'll look good on screen though.
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That's my preferred suit. A sleeker and better built Burton suit. I really love the Burton suit but the fact he can't move his head at all does make it quite impractical. Although from a pure filmmaking standpoint, the restrictions on movement in the Burton suit helped add to the uniqueness of the first Batman. They had something called the "Batman turn" where he whips his whole body around because he can't turn his neck at all. I always loved the way the Batman turns looked, never occurred to me it was because the costume was too thick and stiff.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST
I'm dying to see the reaction of the geks to this movie one year from now.
by AsimovLives
If the movie turns up as bad as i fear it will, and if that doesn't kill the enthusiasm that the geekry has for Snyder, then the guy is undestructable, or the geekry stupid beyond description.
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Lets hope the movie us good too
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Fuck you dude, I am no troll, and I am the one who wants a Superman movie set in the 40s. I never said that I wont watch or enjoy this new flick. i said the outfit looks 90s as fuck. I will be watching this movie the first day it comes out. I do not know if it will suck or not. i cannot see into the future.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST
And this thing is still coming out in 2013, right? It'll take them 2 years to do post prod?
by Ricardo
Maybe they are already antecipating fulll reshoots, a la Richard Lester. About the absence of the undie, weird.
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They are essentially the exact same character. I assume the Salkinds were too cheap to get the rights to that character too so they just changed her name.
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Don't like the story? Fine, whatever. The fact remains that the directing, which is the only impact Snyder is having on Man of Steel, is fucking beautiful. Oh and I like slow motion so go fuck yourself.
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like everyone else very nervous about Snyder and yeah not a fan of Amy Adams as Lois
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Aug. 25, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST
=The ending of the Watchmen Film stays true to the point that the comic's ending was trying to prove,=
by KilliK
if you are talking about the replacement of the squid ending,nope sorry but Snyder's ending wanst true at all to the meaning of the comic's ending and clearly shows that Snyder missed the entire point of Moore's masterpeice.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST
@asimovlives Was you here when the the make-up shot of the joker was leaked.
by kingoflight
The fall out from that was funny, alot of people saying it was stupid blah blah and it's ruined the whole movie. You wanna know how i got these red pants.....
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im a superman fan. over all others. batman, spider-man, the x-men. superman is my guy. i dont get all the monthly as they come out, but i buy the good arcs when they hit TPB. i downloan the animated films when they hit the net AND i buy them when they hit the store. watch those and the films all the time. with this film, the costume is ok. the suit is blue, the cape is red, the sheild is big. the actors cast are good actors, the director and writers have their strengths AND their weaknesses, but i think theyre a good match up. just tell your self; we nearly got a tim burton superman with nic cage in a edward sciccorhands suit with disco lights on it.
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I agree with you on the majority of the cast being miscast except for Michael Shannon. The man is great in everything he's in; even in the Runaways. He plays intimidating and crazy to a t.
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Will have superman grabbing the box Jor-El left him with the superman outfit and although at first glance it will seem to be empty, he will notice a false bottom and after removing it he will find the red trunks and yellow belt... thus preparing us for the Man of Steel: Completion
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that's the kind of guy that likes this costume
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Aug. 25, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST
But Sucker Punch WAS written by Snyder. Thats all him on the screen.
by openthepodbaydoorshal
All visual, no emotion. Sorry. I didn't feel a thing for any of the characters. And that is the directors responsibilty. If his Superman is all cool visuals and no heart, then it will join the junkpile of Watchmen and Sucker Punch.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST
Noooooooo!!! Superman must have outside underwear!!
by Thunderbolt Ross
Conan's eyes MUST BE BLUE!!! Etc etc etc First time seeing the costume ... Spider-Man texture was cool at first, but it's time to cut it out.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST
I do agree that the Watchmen ending was probably better than the one from the comic.
by dahveed1972
The movie was still meh, but even Alan Moore has stated that the interdemensional space squid thingy was pretty ridiculous. Beyond that, the movie was a complete waste of time, and other than surface details, had NOTHING to do with the text or subtext of the source material. NOTHING. That said, i still think Snyder's style, in collaboration with Nolan, could still work very well in a Superman movie.
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A 40's Superman movie isnt the dumbest idea in the world. It would probably make a good animated dc movie. And you're right about not judging this thing til we see some of the finished product. Or better yet, the movie as a whole.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST
Yeah, a lack of feeling for ANY of the characters was one problem with Watchmen. That wasnt necesarily a strength of the comic either, but was necessary for the movie.
by dahveed1972
We needed to give a shit about Nightowl and Silk Spectre (Dan and whatshername), and we didnt. The actors needed to be much more emotive than they were. I think the reason everyone can agree on the quality of Dawn of the Dead is at least partly because it had some very very good actors in it. Sarah Polley, Mekhi Phiffer (sp?), Ving Rhames, and some quality character actors. My guess is Snyder had little to do with the casting, but i dont know that for a fact. Point is, we cared about these characters because the actors made us care. Its why, to some extent, the movie surpassed the original. The remake didnt have Romero's subtext (consumerism, america's decline, etc), but the acting is much better lets face it.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST
I like the new suit. It was time to depart from the older look.
by Orbots Commander
I like the fact that it's more of a uniform, you could imagine it being a Kryptonian military uniform or formal royal military wear.
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...it is quite obvious that that the new Super-suit is very influenced by a Roman Centurion type of look.
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I have a feeling that Snyder doesn't have the final say in the removal of the red undies.. I have a feeling that this comes from WB/DC execs that already have planned a no red undies Superman relaunch of the comic book. While he might have some weight into the look of the whole thing, the order to remove certain aspect, the undies in question, might be coming from above so they won't need to pay the full amount to the creator's family...
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to be fair and honest-I haven't seen him in all that much-he was great in the runaways, but based on that and a few other things he didn't seem very threatening. Everybody else seems to think he's perfect for this, though, so I am, admittedly, probably wrong on that one-I just need to see more of his work
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This Super-man also looks like a bad ass. Sure the trunks missing kind of blows but it still looks good. Also if I was a bad guy and this superman showed up... I'd shit my pants. Looking forward to this.
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No, i first come to this site one year after TDK was released. However, i once read an old talkback about TDk before it was released, and yes, too many people were spelling doom on the movie and comenting on Heath Ledger was so fucking wrong for the role and how the make up and the suit were so completly wrong, bla bla bla. Hindsight is a bitch, isn't it?
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I would TOTALLY put a baby in Julianne Moore!!! I was just saying that given the choice between taking her or Amy Adams to the sack, I'd go with Amy-but Diane Lane is hotter than both of them lol-hope that cleared it up
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Aug. 25, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST
wrath_of_fett, the directing of SUCKER PUNCH is a juvenille nightmare. It's the kind of directing that people think it's cool when they are teenagers and stupid.
by AsimovLives
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Aug. 25, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST
dahveed1972, the comic WATCHMEN is a amsterpiece also because of the squid. If you think the squid is flaut in the comic, you absolutly didn't udnerstadn the whole point of the comic.
by AsimovLives
You and Snyder.
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Dawn of the Dead sucked 300 meh Watchmen meh withlousy ending. I have spoken nuff said.
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Sorry about the typos.
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...using the hairs off my crack'n'sack Now FUCK OFF!!!
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The movie ending works better. It's not an argument, it's a fact. Again: anyone who says otherwise has no real valid point (butbutbutALANMOORE isn't a valid point), therefore it's not worth my time to elaborate on why it works better. It's like trying to explain why grass is green, or the sky is blue. Yes, an explanation exists, but to say that the sky isn't blue or that grass isn't green isn't a valid statement, therefore it's not worth going into. It's nothing more than another case of a comic book fan getting pissy because something changed. As I said before, I understand that reaction, but it's still not valid. THE END. Just as I've said my piece on the Superpanties, so to have I said all I can say about the ending of Watchmen. It works better than the comic. The end. Burying your fingers in your ears and screaming "Nu-UHHHHH NO IT DOESN'T!!!" won't make your point valid, no matter how loud you scream.
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...was due to WRESTLING during the 1920s-1950s. Those men wore underwear on the OUTSIDE of their leotards. If you ask me, it looks retarded. However, it makes sense when you think of it in the scope of history. All of the famous "strong men" at the time wore them...so it was vogue for comic books.
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...because the outer undies were missing. He told critics, "<i>If you want Batman undies, buy some UNDEROOS!</i>"
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Aug. 25, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST
Underpants or no, skin tight emphasizes a man's genitals,
by Dennis_Moore
which is why men are embarrased by/uncomfortable with the trunks. Believe me, put a woman in a super suit with underwear on the outside, and na complaints.
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There's no substance to them, its all visuals. I honestly dont know why people bitched about Sucker Punch. I knew exactly what I was expecting: a cool concept with flashy visuals with no substance to it.
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You really didn't get the point of the comic. Or maybe you don't agree with it. Or maybe you wanted a different story then what it is. Thr ending of the movei is stupid and doesn't even understand it's own implications. Nor do you, it seems.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST
louiscedar, i think the revamped ending to Watchmen is fine. But its my OPINION, not a fact. Dont be a fucking douchebag. Plenty of people much smarter than you disagree with this.
by dahveed1972
A FACT would be that you're being an asshole. Another fact is that Alan Moore has more artistic talent, and is more important in a broad cultural and literary sense, than the Zach Snyders of the world. It's not Moore's fault that studio hacks keep making substandard movies from his work. Its great that you enjoyed Watchmen. But its never gonna have a tenth the impact that the book had. Another easily verifiable fact. See the difference now? Cant believe im on Asimov's side. Im having a weird week.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST
dahveed1972, you just crossed to the other side of the mirror. Welcome, Alice.
by AsimovLives
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subtitlesoff said: "OK. I'll be real. Kid, get the fuck over yourself. When people think Superman, they are always gonna think red undies on the outside. It's been that way for 70 years. It'll be that way seventy years from now." Nope. As it has been pointed out, Superman is (first and foremost) a COMIC BOOK CHARACTER. And the comics are ditching the red shorts... so, seventy years from now, if these movies kept on going with the red shorts, the kids would be asking the same question we've always been asking, except they'll have their comics that don't have superman in the red shorts while these movies have them in them. You're just another talkbacker who thinks he is an authority on superheroes yet doesn't keep up on comics. Now you can proceed to going to wikipedia to prove me wrong by fishing for comic book knowledge to validate your opinions. get over yourself. you're post was both condescending and uninformed.
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big dumb ape said: "The shorts were there for a reason. They helped to break the costume up visually. They were a nice touch and I agree it's a misstep to remove them." Read some of the other posts--it has been pointed out that the shorts were there because back in the day, strongmen wore them, so it wasn't as weird as it is now. it was a reference to THAT... it wasn't to break up the costume visually and superheroes wear capes because it makes them harder targets to shoot at from behind.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST
Superheroes where capes cause it's harder to shoot them from behind?
by Phategod2
Does it matter when there bullet proof? And if this strategy really works how about all law enforcement start wearing capes, and gang bangers there always getting shot from behind.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST
I don't know why people say Sucker Punch has no substance
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
I've seen reviewers bitch about no characters, no plot, no this, no that. In my opinion people that make these statements are just dumbfucks. They're too stupid and dense to fucking see the substance? Because the movie has some great characters and a good story, plot, and fucking substance. I personally really liked Sucker Punch and think the haters(yeah the morons in the majority) are a bunch of uncreative simpletons.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST
THAT INCLUDE YOU ASSICLOWN YOU FUCKING TOOL
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
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Aug. 25, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST
Yeah supes wearing a cape has nothing to do with being shot from behind.
by dahveed1972
Capes really arent practical at all. They just (arguably) look cool on a superhero. I read an interview with Nolan where he said he considered getting rid of the cape in all the non-aerial scenes. But he realized the cape looked really cool when batman's riding his batpod. Sometimes aesthetics win the day.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST
Cant comment on Sucker Punch. But the derision of that movie is pretty universal. That said, no need to lash out like that.
by dahveed1972
Its a near universal opinion. But its still just an opinion. I guess its possible that you're just smarter than everybody else. In theory anyway.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST
Sucker Punch as great characters and substance? Compared to what? An amoeba?
by AsimovLives
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all the unimaginative douches make those statements
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I feel strongly about it and think mostly morons just couldn't enjoy the movie because they're tiny, shallow brains couldn't enjoy the art behind it.
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Sorry about the outburst.
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oh snap 198,000 hits :P
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Aug. 25, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST
The only reason I gave a shit about nite owl is because he is from st pete, fl.
by Aaron
Hometown! Seriously though, I wanted to love watchmen (the film), but i still have that unsatisfied feeling. The only way to do it right would be a fuckin massive unrated show on hbo, etc, with each episode clocking in at two hours. I liked the drab nihilism but it just didnt have that literary depth that the story demands. Watchmen (book) needed more room to breathe than any single 3 or 4 hour cut could give it. Plus whatshername was pretty terrible. At least she got naked.
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Dude, that costume concept is fair at best in both "artistic" conception and render.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST
RE: Mickey Mouse did not start off with undees. By northtronic
by Kevin Rubio
Actually, he did. Mickey's first film was "Plane Crazy" released may 15, 1928. Originally a silent cartoon, sound was added and it was re-released after the success of the very first sound sync cartoon "Steam Boat Willie" (also a Mickey Mouse cartoon) In it, he clearly has shorts. here's the official Walt Disney Studio link, if you don't believe me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCZPzHg0h80
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There exists a minority of people that like *any* god-awful bomb that's released. If you Google 'Ishtar underrated', you get 73,200 hits. Howard The Duck? Hell, there were 33,000 hits that argue that point. So, yeah. Sucker Punch still sucks. One of the worst movies that I've ever paid to see in a movie theater. The late night audience, I remember, hated it so much, that they started talking back at the screen, while many got up and left. And this was a late night weekend, young crowd, that would be conducive to it.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST
@winona_ryders_pussy_juice: good visuals dont equal a great film
by sunwukong86
look at Scott Pilgrim
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....they were easier to draw, panel after panel, were more distinguishable and made for dynamic art shots. At least according to a documentary on the History channel about the early comic book industry.
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If I weren't used to seeing them all these years I certainly wouldn't miss them. But they've become part of the most iconic image in the history of comics. Wearing red trunks certainly didn't hamper Christopher Reeve's performance. I don't understand the change for change's sake. There are many things that could be altered/updated/improved for this reboot, but why that? (Ya wanna give someone blue trunks, give 'em to Dr. Manhattan. He could use 'em.)
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Aug. 25, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST
sounds about right orbots. Also, i think anyone interested in the current state of the comic book biz should read the RS interview with Grant Morrison
by dahveed1972
Its not a pretty picture im afraid. Ive only read excerpts btw.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST
I really liked Suckerpunch but it had problems that I think stem from the theatrical PG-13 cut
by Motherfucker Jones
I own the unrated extended blu-ray but haven't watched it yet so I'm not sure I'm right, but it felt like shit got cut and some plot points that didn't make sense are hopefully corrected on the directors cut.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST
zurenarrh, sounds like we r pretty much on the same page vis a vis Watchmen.
by dahveed1972
In Snyder's defense, he just didnt hav enough time to make us care about ANY of the characters. There were other issues, but this was a biggie. It might have worked if they completely revamped the story, excised certain characters, etc. but theyd be left with something that barely resembled the source material. In which case, whats the point? An HBO limited series, even with lower production values, was our best bet at getting a truly satisfying adaptation. Even if it meant a Dr. Manhattan with blue greasepaint.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 7:53 p.m. CST
Blue crotch looks awful, cape's too big, "S" insignia is all wrong, hair's too greasy...
by Triple_J_72
Other than that, he looks fine.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 8 p.m. CST
blue crotch bad, red crotch good? Okay, i think this talk back has officially jumped the shark. Im out
by dahveed1972
Jebus tapdancing crist...
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Aug. 25, 2011, 9:12 p.m. CST
Thank you kevin_rubio i stand corrected. i'm still glad the the red trunks are gone.
by NorthTronic
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Supermans suit is to iconic to change like they have.... dropped the yellow s dropped the red trucks made the suit shiny and darker and scaly and changed superman hair.... the colors I don't mind being played with darker or light even the s size I don't care about... but the integrity of the suit o do care about..... give the man his trunks back
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is this a reinvention of Non?
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The only person to get it right was the director of that silly Dead End short. Iconic imagery is an essential facet of a superhero story. It's hypocritical to say that the super underwear isn't important whether it's there or not, and yet go into paroxysms of joy over the fact that it's finally gone. If it wasn't important you wouldn't care either way. The rubber texture doesn't make sense. Advanced alien tech would be able to mimic the textures of Earth fibers. Rubberized fabric isn't outside the scope of human tech. Also, the cape is just as silly as the shorts.
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I'm defending the story. Because it did have a good story, some good characters, etc. And yet it seems to be very trendy to accuse Sucker Punch of being a one trick pony, when it clearly is not. It's fuckin LAZY writing, most of the bone-head bad reviews it got. The movie is a lot like a movie about a prison escape. But set in 3 different levels of reality/surreal dreamstates. How the fuck is that devoid of substance? I wasn't confused by the film at all. It was mysterious at the start as you tried to piece together exactly what was going on. Like a good mystery. And by the end of the film it all came together perfectly and it all made sense. Well fucking written. Very well written. Superb art direction as usual. Excellent action scenes. Great acting, the villain was the best character in the movie. No characters? BULLSHIT. Beautiful film. Fucking A+
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Are you familiar with Earth One? Replace Tyrrell with Zod and throw in a little Amanda Waller government secret shit a'la Superman Batman:the Search for Kryptonite, and I believe you have your story...how Snyder translates it to the screen is questionable. Also-the Snyder suit is A LOT like Earth One
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jeebus wept.
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he got his name on the thing, that's it
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Iconography is essential to an iconic figure. And when that character's appearance is so recognizable, changing something is going to be a distraction. Especially when one thing is changed, and everything else looks the same. We all know what superman looks like. Without the trunks it looks like something's missing. Like he was in a hurry and couldn't find them or something. And the cape has just as much reason to exist as the shorts. They're both aesthetic features. That's it. So if the filmmakers really didn't like the shorts they should have completely redesigned the costume. Maybe go with the blue energy superman, or something like that. No cape, no shorts, no bright primary colors (I mean, that's kinda goofy and cartoonish right? And we want a badass superman!) But I really kinda exaggerated before. This costume isn't a complete deal breaker for me, at least by itself (I really do hate it tho). But everything else about the movie is. With spiderman, on the other hand, the costume itself is so awful that I'm pretty sure the movie will be ruined by it. And everything else happens to suck too.
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Aug. 26, 2011, 6:14 a.m. CST
winona_ryders_pussy_juice, you got it all wrong, the WATCHMEN movie is a shallow version of the comic. It's WATCHMEN for shallow people who can't understand the difference between intelligence and spoon-feeding.
by AsimovLives
It's the height of irony to call the people who were disastisfied with snyder's WATCHMEN as shallow, when it's the very opposite, it's the shallows who found it so "complex". Because they are so not used to that.
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Aug. 26, 2011, 6:16 a.m. CST
As zurenarrh said, WATCHMEN should had been a HBO TV series. Each episode a chapter of the comic, and there's 12 of them.
by AsimovLives
I'd like to have hope that could come to fruition. A WATCHMEN HBO TV show, that would be sweet indeed.
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Aug. 26, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST
All that remains in the WATCHMEN movie that could be mistaken for a good story is what remains from the original comic. It's what survived the stupidification that Snyder and pals did to the original.
by AsimovLives
The original comic is so magnificent, even a stupid hacks like snyder couldn't totally ruin it all,and some of the good stuff survived the stupidifying translation. But overall the stupidity won over, as it bound to happen.
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No, i never read Earth Onbe, i'm affraid. Superman was never much of a favorite comic character to me. I did bought RED SON because the premise was so different and interesting (though it was based on an older one issue Superman story), that i just had to have it. And i love it. One of the cleverest superhero comics i ever read in my life. This is why i think there's so much potential to Superman, which have been bogged down by the fans themselves because they just want to see the same thing repeated time and again. Despiste their complaisn that Zod and Lex Luthor returning so often in the Superman movies, the fact is they still wish for the same thing to be seen in the movie, again Superman fighting with the usual gallery of villains. Despistes their claims, they don't want all that much deviation. i would evne say, they dn't want ANY deviation, no matter how important or good it could do to a movie. It's one thing to be true to the spirit of the comic and the character, it's another to want a movie to be a literal repetition of a one beloved comic issue. If we are not allowing the movies to be their own thing, what's the use then? Just go read the comic again.
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Aug. 26, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST
Frankly, all this big fuzz about the Superman trunks amuses me.
by AsimovLives
It's bewildering that people are making such a big fuzz about it! I mean, who cares? Fucking trunks is what will make or break a movie for some people? Give me a break! As long the costume doesn't look too stupid and embaracing, what's the problem? Trunks, really? What is this place, anyway, a fashion magazine? I never knew that there was a fashion police officer inside every comic book geek.
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Only idiots would mistake it for a smart movie. That or people who can't give a fuck about movies.
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Been meaning to read it, I have read the excerpts. I guess I cannot comment on it until I have read the whole thing. Asimov and dahveed, I would take a lower budget TV Watchmen that actually invested time into the characters over a one shot film any day. It reminds me a little bit of the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy tv run vs the hollywood movie. was obviously low budget and didnt have hollywood stars or great special effects, but it was so much more textured and it had time to explore the world more. Plus, the movie was just fucking annoying and trying to be too hip. Nice to have a civil discussion around here with you two!
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As soon Snyder took hold of the directing duties, Nolan left the show and went to his own Batman movie. There will be no Nolan saving Superman. It's now the Snyder show through and thorugh. Despair!
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My pleasure.
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Apart from the squid, What did i miss that was so bad, it followed the comic as best it possibly could in my opinion.
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Boy. The degree to which Hollywood can take the simplest time tested if it ain't broke don't fix it concepts, and hike five miles out of the way bent over backwards to f%*! up truly boggles the mind. There's a very simple visual concept here that one would think would be obvious to, ya know, VISUAL artists in a VISUAL medium. The trunks broke up and balanced the color palette of the costume. And absent that balance, it ends up looking like a grown man in a cape and a one-sie
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can you elaborate on that please? because last time i checked,despite some changes,the movie was pretty close to the comic which is considered the greatest comic ever written. So why exactly Snyder's Watchmen was not smart? give us some details mate,otherwise you will be criticized as being prejudiced against some directors.
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I think Snyder followed the comic very closely but that was also part of the problem. Dialogue that sounded brilliant on the page came out forced when spoken aloud on screen. Action sequences that seemed plausible in the comic, looked artificial and faked when performed by the non-powered, middle aged characters that everyone other than Dr Manhattan was supposed to be. The desperation the characters felt just never came thru on screen. It wasn't a bad effort, it just didn't come up to what people hoped for.
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Every single choice was the most cliched stereotypical choice that was possible. It was just horrible. And the volume was also far to high. What the fuck? And Halleluja for the sex scene? Come on man. Thats fucking pathetic, and ridiculously cliched and on the nose. And flight of the bumble bee for the Vietnam war scene? Jesus fucking christ, how can Snyder be this dumb? Has bad as Snyder can be, I still think this Supes film will be cool.
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Let's get some shit straight right now motherfuckers! Zack Synder is the director; Chris Nolan is the motherfucking EXECUTIVE PRODUCER! He is the man in charge! He is the one calling the shots, not Suckerpunch Synder.
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He got most of it right, just there was so much more he could have done. There's so much more you learn about the Watchmen world from Moore's prose. To me it felt like the cliff notes version of Watchmen. You know, the basic plot points but not much else.
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1. Nature. Superman is able to handle his immense power without becoming a god-emperor because his kryptonian brain is different. IOW his alienness is whats essential. Any human with that kind of power would eventually become evil (see luthor and many many supervillians) 2. Nurture. Superman is able to handle his immense power without becoming a god-emperor because he was raised by two exceedingly decent and good people - the Kents. If he had been raised by a government or by Lionel Luthor or by the Octomom, he would eventually become evil. Most of the superman comicss/shows/dvds/novels of the last 30 years have leaned one way or the other.
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Aug. 26, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST
The movies, of course, have emphasized Nurture. But Id be okay with a movie that went the other way. Im kinda hoping thats the case with MOS.
by dahveed1972
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I don't think I will ever be able to look at Superman like that and not subconsciously wonder why he isn't wearing any pants. Are the red trunks REALLY so silly given the rest of his outfit? I wish they had kept it classic. It's going to feel flawed to me because they did that. Remember when they were going to remove the shorts for the Burton/Cage version and Cage took the designs home to show his son, who asked "Where are the pants?" I think there will be a lot of people, kids and adults wondering where this guy's pants are. And... who will be standing next to the villainess in the final film? Looks like a mo-cap suit is on display in those shots.
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You misread the extent of Nolan's involvement. He laid down the blueprint, he is not calling the shots.
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The trunks are NOT a big deal - so why did they change what has worked for... well, forever?
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Burton's Batman isn't an appropriate comparison. That entire costume was redesigned and looked like black armor. In this case we have the classic, iconic Superman costume with just ONE change, no trucks. If they didn't want trunks, why not redesign the whole costume?
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Aug. 27, 2011, 12:23 a.m. CST
Actually the Batman Begins outfit is - despite some practical elements - quite faithful to the comics. The red "shorts" arent important. If the movie is good, it will be totally irrelevant.
by dahveed1972
And the costume has gone through several iterations over the decades. In comics, animation, and movies. The color, size, shape of his insignia, for example. Its a perfectly acceptable change, and doesnt make him any less recognizable. In fact, the redesign and the casting of Cavill suggests a subtle evolution of the character. Will it work? Who knows, but the lack of a red crotch wont be a significant factor. Move on folks.
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Aug. 27, 2011, 12:25 a.m. CST
I always liked the darker colors of the Fleisher cartoons, for example.
by dahveed1972
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