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DOCTOR WHO To Air Full Season Next Year After All – But Later In The Year!! Is It to Accomodate A Big-Screen Summer DOCTOR WHO Movie Or Something??

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Rumors that “Doctor Who” will endure a shortened season next year are false, showrunner Stephen Moffat tells the Daily Beast.  

The next season will consist of 13 hours plus a Christmas special, all airing next year.

“Absolute nonsense," Moffatt says of the rumors. “First of all, we are airing in 2012. The only thing that’s happening is that we’re moving a bit later...There’s lots of reasons for that that will become clear quite soon...It is certainly not a reduced episode count. Do you think the BBC would really let that happen? With an average audience of 10 million?…Doctor Who’s international profile is huge. It’s never been more successful. You’re not going to reduce a show like this. The opposite is going to happen, in fact."

Maybe the next season is being delayed till summer or fall to accommodate an as yet unannounced pregnancy? Or a “Doctor Who” movie? What is Moffatt on about?

Find all of the Beast’s story on the matter here.

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  • Aug. 23, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Is It to Accomodate A Big-Screen Summer WHO Movie Or Something??

    by buggerbugger

    No. No, it isn't.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Full season, yeah! Bad girl in the TARDIS, double yeah!

    by sunspot_mike

    Great interview. I'm so excited about the end of this season that I've kept out of most discussion forums because I hate the spoilers (they got me on the Captain Jack / Face of Boe thing back when DW was still on Skiffy and I haven't forgiven myself for that moment yet.) This is my favorite sci-fi universe, I want to remain as virginal as possible. I'm trying not to even look at the BBC website or the Radio Times articles because I feel like they're always giving the whole show away!

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    More importantly, will we get the InBetweeners movie in the US?

    by gruntybear

    Some of us want the original, not the soon-to-suck MTV remake.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    It's not good form

    by MattDomville make a wild guess part of your headline. A full season of "Who" is good news, but don't go startin' rumours about a movie. It's just poor form.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    I'm going to guess another spin-off

    by AdamDiran

    River Song? Although what they really need to do is re-launch Blake's 7.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    It's the Olympics next Summer - In London

    by Mookage

    Plus the studio is moving from Upper boat to the new Television Village in Cardiff - Rather than screw around with the schedule too much they are obviously making the sensible decision to move it back to the autumn schedule

  • 'Rumors'? They weren't 'rumors'. They were statements made and confirmed by BBC executives. Obviously there's been a change of mind. Although, reading the interview carefully, at no point does he say that all 13 episodes will be shown in 2012. Just that Doctor Who will air in 2012 - which we already knew. The question is will a complete season be shown in 2012 or will it be split with the second half in 2013? This has not been answered. The main reason for any shift in broadcast patterns must be the anniversary special in 2013.

  • - is batshit strange.

  • That's good, because I far prefer standalone stories. But it's quite a strange decision in the run-up to the anniversary, which would seem to be crying out for an arc which spans more than one season. Also, does Moffat really attribute a 20% increase in American ratings to the cold open with Amy Pond? If it's that easy, all shows should do that!

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    I guess the BBC1 controller could be wrong

    by supertoyslast

    Danny Cohen: ""There will be some episodes, but there won't be a full series, so we won't have a 13-part run [in 2012]" Nowhere in the above interview does Moffat say that there will be a full 13 episode run in 2012, just that "we are airing in 2012" - which we already knew. It still seems likely that the 13 episodes will be split between 2012 and 2013. I want to be wrong because I hate split seasons. Why couldn't he have avoided confusion by saying "we are airing a FULL SEASON in 2012" instead?

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    we're moving a bit later

    by dj_bollocks

    MIGHT be interpreted as later on in the evening rather than later on in the year... unlikely but suitably ambiguous...

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 7:54 p.m. CST

    F@#K Yes

    by alexgk

    My buddy from the UK told me about the show, and it is hilarious. Heard about the movie, but didn't know it was already out..and probably no place to see it over here in the US lol..damnit.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST

    It's not a movie

    by Lee Chamberlain

    It's nothing to do with a movie, and everything to do with the fact 2013 is Doctor Who's 50th anniversary!

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Pregnacy + Olympics + David Tennant returns...

    by tangcameo the impossible astronaut. That's my theory. Some kind of 11th Doctor reboot, possibly with the same doctor, re-regenerated and then shipped back to the beginning of the series.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST

    how can you do a film so quickly?

    by lynxpro

    That's just link bating. There's no way they can shoot a Who film and get the sfx done before summer 2012. Sigh...

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Is It to Accomodate A Big-Screen Summer WHO Movie Or Something??

    by blackflowerX

    Its usually Harry who makes up such dumb shite ...

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Read the fuill Quote

    by imski

    Absolute nonsense. First of all, we are airing in 2012. The only thing that’s happening is that we’re moving a bit later...There’s lots of reasons for that that will become clear quite soon...It is certainly not a reduced episode count.

  • justify the move to later in the year. And all season 7s episodes will air in 2012 last I heard.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Studio move...

    by huskerdu2 one of the main issues. The upcoming Xmas special - which shoots in about 3 weeks - is the last episode to be filmed at the current Upper Boat facility. The new studio is up and running in February, which - unsurprisingly - is when the new series starts shooting. As I understand it, in 2012 they're shooting 14 episodes - a 13 part series and the 2012 Xmas special. My guess...they'll show half the series in fall 2012, take a break, show the Xmas spesh, then the final 6 or 7 episodes in early 2013. Another hunch, the Beeb will launch Moffat and Smith's replacements during the anniversary year to maximise attention and publicity.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 4:28 a.m. CST


    by huskerdu2

    ...things and plans can change!

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Matt Smith's replacement in 2013

    by DVaderRIP

    Absolutely ridiculous. This is the biggest show the BBC have had in a generation, and that is directly down to three things - Steven Moffat, Matt Smith, and Karen Gillan. In that order. Auntie (which is an affectionate nickname for the BBC) will do absolutely anything to keep this rolling - they would be made to replace anyone. I think a pregnancy is a very good guess, but general scheduling issues around the 50th anniversary and the Olympics is also plausible. But I'm going with Matt Smith having been offered a big film role. I also think we'll see a multi-doctor adventure for the anniversary - certainly with Tennant, but I'll bet Moffat has also reached out to Davison and McCoy - both of whom would probably do it. I doubt McGann will be pulled in, and I get the impression that Eccelstone isn't on Moffats radar.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST

    That's *mad* to replace anyone...

    by DVaderRIP

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 5:57 a.m. CST

    It doesn't say anything about moving later in the year....

    by DoctorMoz

    .....could be that it is moving to a later slot in the evening, so it is more geek friendly and less for the kids, more scary, more sexy.... hmmm, hmmm,

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 6:01 a.m. CST


    by DVaderRIP

    Auntie is not AMC - when they have a massive hit show on their hands, they don't fuck with it. I doubt we'll be seeing any massive tonal changes. Moffat is well aware that there is an entire generation of 30s / 40s watching with their own kids...

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Why doesn't Moff write stories as good as he did under RTD?

    by Smashing

    Seems weird he hasn't managed anything close to Blink, or any of his earlier stories in 2 years worth of output. Like really weird. I wonder if RTD was more to thank for Moffs amazing stories that we all realised?? Hopefully Moff will prove me wrong with a tight, well plotted, engaging story that doesn't rely on silly gimmicks and timey wimey tripe to cover it's flaws. Though it the 2 years he has run the show he hasn't yet so maybe can't?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Once again, Herc hasn't a clue

    by Tommy Rye

    Typical shite from this lad.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Awesome way to start off the morning

    by Clara Roberts

    Thanks to Netflix, I've really ended up becoming a big Doctor Who fan and after going through the whole run of the Nu Who, I've started watching some of the classic episodes as well. As far as a spin-off? I'm thinking the best spin-off ever would be the victorian Sulurian and her obvious partner, Jenny would be great...and most likely would never happen. Except for some dirty, dirty fanfics... which I haven't read. Really.

  • Considering he did that four times under RTD, and RTD did it exactly once... I think we know where the talent lay and still lies.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:34 a.m. CST

    AICN Exclusive!

    by Mister Vertue

    I tried to tell you earlier (I really, really did, mainly to allay your fears) but some of you still believed those silly tabloid journalists instead. You know they just make up nonsense to sell newspapers, right? Or to cause trouble. I haven't quite decided which it is yet. Now, I know this means a *change* to the schedule, but like I've been saying all along to anyone that would listen, they will be *no* reduction in the amount of episodes we'll see in 2012. Some of you are *still* saying 'Oh, they'll show 6 episodes in 2012 and then hold back the others for 2013.' NO! This will absolutely, definitely *NOT* happen. I'll keep saying it over and over until someone listens! I really will! Look back at previous Docbacks and you'll see that a reduction of episodes was *never* the case (and I know you only have my word for that, and that probably counts for naught on here) and we ended up with a lot of fuss and nonsense for nothing! I know Who fans are some of the most paranoid in the business, and we all have every reason to be due to the treatment of the show in the 80's and 90's, but honestly, those days are over now. The show has respect in the industry as a brand-name, and the folks in charge of the show have more clout than you realise. The 'men in suits' who pull the purse-strings are *not* trying to throttle the show into non-existence, like I've already said, why would they do that? So can we please stop all the crazy conspiracy theories and actually *read* what The Moff has *officially* come out and stated publicly, and understand that it's business as usual next year, but with a slight change in transmission. Phew! There. Okay, what's next? Ah yes, a Doctor Who. Where to start with *that* rumour...

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    And we all know who'll get next year's Hugo

    by Mister Vertue

    It has to be Gaiman. I'll protest on the streets of London, Glasgow and Cardiff if he doesn't win. Well, maybe I will. I might be busy that day, but we'll see.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Well The Doctors Wife is sure to be nominated...

    by V'Shael

    but as much as I loved that episode, I'll hold off my complete support until I see what else the season has to offer. Call me an optimist, but maybe just maybe, the best is yet to come.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    You may very well be right in saying that. Not long to go now!

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Oh, and that was naughty of me

    by Mister Vertue

    No, there isn't a movie coming. How the hell do you think anyone could find the time to write and film a movie with the 2013 anniversary flying towards us? The very thought of such a thing horrifies me. And with that, I must dash! But not before I say this - 'Why don't you say that to my face?' - 'I said you're a coward and a pisspot. Now what are you gunna do about it?' - 'Nothin!. I just wanted you to turn around so she could get behind you!' - I think I like this show! Why the hell did they cancel it?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST

    @Man_Of_Vertue - Why they cancelled Firefly...

    by V'Shael

    Well, that's the 64 000 dollar question. Just put the show on the pile next to all the other excellent shows that have suffered from network interference. And every time you wonder why the fans flinch at the rumours of idiotic network decisions, just glance at that pile of cancelled shows and remember it wasn't just Doctor Who in the 80's that got shafted. Fox TV : boo-tai jung-tzahng-duh

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    They canceled Firefly because it was too expensive to make

    by mistergreen

    and not enough viewers. Simple economics.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Moffat is talking about a WHO spin-off perhaps

    by mistergreen

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:45 a.m. CST

    WHO spinoff

    by DVaderRIP

    It's happened, twice. First with Shitwood, which has died in the US, leaving RTD to run back to the UK with tail between legs. Secondly with the Sarah Jane Adventures, which ended for an altogether sadder and more heartbreaking reason.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    No spin-offs in the works

    by Mister Vertue

    Between Sherlock, writing the Christmas special and the beginnings of series 7 making it onto paper, there's certainly no time for spin-offs. Plus, any budget/man-hours that would go into a spin-off would surely be better spent going towards something incredible for 2013, right? 23 November 2013 is a day you're not likely to forget anytime soon. Did you know it also happens to be a Saturday? Isn't that interesting? Well, *I* think it is. I think you should too. Just saying. Maybe you should mark your calendar for that date. Of course, there'll be lots of very fun things leading up to that date throughout 2013, but that'll be the equivalent of Christmas coming early for fans of Doctor Who. It'll make the real Christmas Day look like Pancake Tuesday by comparison. So, to clarify, no movie, no spin-offs. I'll probably have to repeat that elsewhere, but such is life. Hay ho!

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Herc: Leave the Who reporting to Merrick

    by ByTor

    Idle speculation about a movie? Herc, you do know how the film industry works, yes? So you know there's no way a film could be ready for next year if there's nothing even in preproduction right now, yes? Sigh. Everyone else: pay attention to man_of_vertue. He knows whereof he speaks.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Time War II, Doc Harder!

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I believe that this season we are in is leading into a full on war between The Doctor and The Universes!

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    as we know hitler was the most feared ruler in germany...

    by emeraldboy

    and in europe in the 1930's but what if he became the most feared being in the galaxy some how. and who is controlling amy ponds mind?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    bytor - don't *always* believe me!

    by Mister Vertue

    I did try to throw people off regarding the title of the next episode 'Let's Kill Hitler'. How the hell everyone found out what it was called so early in the day I have no idea, but I wasn't impressed. I'll continue to do that for leaked information and I won't apologise for that, but what I won't do is support false news that isn't true at all. So to clarify, if somebody says 'Hey, they're making a Doctor Who movie!' and I know this to be 100% false, I'll (try to) tell you. If somebody says 'Hey, the last episode of series 6 is called The Wedding Of River Song!' then I may try to make you think otherwise, but I'll do my best to outright deny it. It's tough not to, but it can be more frustrating than you realise having even the smallest things ruined in advanced. Does that make any sense? Reading it back, it looks like utter bollocks, but I'm tired and grumpy, so that's the best I can give you!

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Thank you, MOV!

    by The Transformed Man

    Although it's what you've been saying all along. Reassurance is nice. Can't wait for Saturday!

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I sincerely doubt that about R.T.D. smashing.


    If anything it was probably R.T.D. that made certain writers stories worse as he was supposed to have rewritten some of them (obviously he thought he could do better). And seeing as it was R.T.D.'s stories that were usually the crap ones, the very thought that Moffat was better because of Rubbish T. Davies is a non starter.....and I'm not exactly a big Moffat fan.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    I prefer Dr Who on dark evenings.


    I've never liked this summer business. Dr Who should be on in the autumn and winter.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Forgot about those fuckin Olympics.


    Boring load of bollocks.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST


    by notspock2

    RE: Firefly- If you are only two episodes or so in, know this, it gets far far better, and whereas I am surprised you haven't seen it, I also envy you because it's highly likely you are about to fall in love. Somewhere around the end of the penultimate episode of Firefly, you are going to get very angry. It happens to us all. The phrase "what ******* IDIOT cancelled this show" will involuntarily form on your lips. At this point you'll do something none of us do. You'll feel very blessed that the show that YOU work somewhere in the region of is on a network that gave it a second shot at life...

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Thanks again you lovely Docbackers!

    by Mister Vertue

    My wife is now aware of you and is rather amused. It's the last day of filming for Sherlock and it should be all done and dusted tonight, weather permitting as always. There's only one person I know who can be grumpier than me, and that's my missus when she's been out in the rain all day. So glad that she'll be warm and dry for a while now. I know that was nothing to do with Doctor Who, but figured I'd tell you anyway as I know we have one or two Sherlock fans here too. There still isn't a tx date yet, but the fact that filming wraps tonight (fingers crossed) will move it ever closer to being announced. Not The Beeb's fault, blame the production team for that one. Delays can and will occur, but the show goes on!

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Welcome MOV

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    As the Beverly Hillbillys say, "Y'all come back now, you here!"

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 2:05 p.m. CST

    I kind of like the Amy Pond cold open myself.

    by The Transformed Man

    I get why lots of other fans are annoyed by it, but I also get that it explains the gist of things to first time American viewers. It reminds me of the early Buffy episodes that did something similar. I hope it's represented on the Series 6 DVD box set.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I'll definitely be back!

    by Mister Vertue

    But probably not before Friday's official Docback. Other matters will be taking me away from here for a day or two. Anyway, have fun and keep the comments coming!

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Hey MOV

    by ByTor

    Note that I'm not saying you're always right or always know what you're talking about; just that on the topic at hand you're spot on. :) Goddammit, why won't Saturday just fucking arrive?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    It's Steven, not Stephen ...

    by berserkrl

    and Moffat, not Moffatt.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    Hey MOV, can't wait for Sherlock S2!!!

    by wtriker1701

    "They" created something very beautiful out of the Movballs!!! Sure, you'll enjoy Firefly! And Serenity will just drive you crazy!!! Wonder, if The Moff might invite Joss Whedon for a Who-Episode or two...??? RTD had no problem to invite Whedonites... ;-)

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    WHO spinoffs have actually happened three times, not two. The first time was <em>K-9 and Company</em> in 1981. (I suppose the current <em>K-9</em> show could count as a spinoff too, except that neither show acknowledges the other.)

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Let's Kill Time and then Let's Kill Hitler on Saturday!!!

    by wtriker1701


  • Aug. 24, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    K-9 Then and Now

    by ByTor

    Since K-9 and Company was never officially launched as a show (just a 1-off special), I'm not sure it should count. You could also argue it was a prequel to Sarah Jane Adventures... As for the current K-9 show, they can't acknowledge SJA (or, really, Who) as they don't have the rights. ALL they have the rights to is K-9. It's also terrible, but that's another thing altogether.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    I claim that STAR TREK is a spinoff of DOCTOR WHO ...

    by berserkrl

    on the grounds that the Vulcan nerve pinch was first demonstrated in episode 2 of the 1964 story "The Aztecs."

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Next summer is the 2012 Olympics.

    by korkie70

    makes sence. seeing as the death of fire fly was due to poor rating having to compete with the NBC coverage.

  • If you think about it, there's been several series with cold opens that have worked well - the original Star Trek, Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, The Prisoner are all good early examples. For the 90s and 00s, you have shows like Babylon 5 and Farscape doing the cold open well. <br> Of course, if people don't like the Amy Pond cold open, we could substitute the Craig Ferguson version...

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST

    I loved the Craig Ferguson version.

    by V'Shael

    It praised intellect over brute force! How awesome was that?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    PLEEEAAAASE - No movie, no spin-offs.

    by Perigee

    My Name is Rory Williams: I used to be plastic...

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST


    by Perigee

    Bedeviled again by proper punctuation... As I was saying - or, as I said before I apparently didn't say it, I am chewing cuticles from season to season, hoping that Smith or the Moff don't run out of steam before another one. And another after that. Ad infinitum. The last thing I want to do is see either of them burn out and leave us with an unsure future. This is my Golden Age - and these may have to last me until I take my own Adventures in Time and Space with senile dementia. Let's not burn out the transmission of the awe-generating machine. Somebody package Moffat and Smith lovingly in cotton in between seasons, and feed them warm, whole milk. As for the cold intro... it left me cold. But as long as somebody has statistics that say that it drives eyeballs (and driven eyeballs insure a healthy show and budget), I'm all for it - make as many as they want. I'll even help: At this point, reference the circumcised post above...

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Hurray :)

    by shibleybc

    At last, my steadfast belief in the PTB has born fruit :) full series in 2012 and an xmas special and carrots of the anniversary variety :) YAY :)

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    On the topic of a movie

    by ByTor

    If there WERE ever a movie, it's unlikely it would feature the current Doctor (in this case, Smith). There are a couple reasons for this: (1) Assuming we're talking about something released in the US through a major studio, a higher-profile name would be an easier sell to production partners. Remember that the BBC won't be making any movie on their own; it'll be a co-production deal of some sort. (Tennant would fit into this, given that he has some film experience and is well-known from his time on the series.) (2) Per the BBC charter, no ''outside'' production (movie, externally-produced TV show, etc.) can be ''required'' viewing for a BBC show. In other words, you can't pull an X-Files: Fight the Future where the movie is part of the ongoing TV storyline. This is in addition to not wanting to add to the current actor's workload, etc. This is one partial reason for the ''10.5'' Doctor. In a deleted scene from Journey's End, the Doctor gives him a piece of coral, ostensibly to grow a new TARDIS from. The thinking at the time was that should a movie project develop, they could just use 10.5 and Rose in the parallel universe. There'd be almost no reference to this (so as not to alienate casual movie-goers); it would just seem to be a 10th Doctor and Rose adventure, with maybe a throwaway line or two included for the fans. I'm neither endorsing nor condemning this approach, you understand, but it has a certain elegance. Yes, I'm sure a few hard-core fans (esp. amongst the RTD-bashing set) would rage about this, but the vast majority of us would get a feature-length 10th Doctor adventure, continuity issues be damned. No idea if they'd persue that avenue now, but there'd be some sort of approach to separate any film project from the TV show.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    thx for the info, M.O.V. !

    by 10thDoctor

    I'd love a film ! but, I'm sure whatever you...erm.. the Moff has in store for us will be incredible... =)

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 12:10 a.m. CST

    I want a BBC 'Sherlock' movie

    by SmokingRobot

    To make up for the RDJ abomination.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 3:39 a.m. CST

    When Moffat was first announced for Who...

    by Fuck The Napkin

    A friend with 'contacts' in the Doctor Who world said to me on the day that Moffat was announced as taking over the show, that one of the first things Moffat wanted to do was screen the show when it was dark outside to make it more scary. This was very exciting to me as it showed he really loved the show and what it was about - I'm assuming he's finally got his way, and that's part of the reason for the move to later in the year. He also said Moffat didn't like the Lumic Cybermen and that he wanted to bring back the Mondas ones and make them much more scary. Not seen that yet (though IIRC the Cybermen in the last episode didn't have the Lumic symbol on their chests...). There was something else but I can't remember it now.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 3:47 a.m. CST

    The series shift

    by Fuck The Napkin

    I guess it's also done so the 50th anniversary series has its grand finale on the exact 50th anniversary of the show. And we can have a couple of series at the same time of year leading up to it.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 4:53 a.m. CST

    As an exercise...

    by V'Shael

    I was reading Neil Gaimans blog entry QnA on The Doctors Wife. He says this interesting little tidbit, regarding the fact that when he wrote the first draft, Matt Smith hadn't even been cast yet... === As an exercise I'd try and imagine lines of the Doctor's dialogue said by Patrick Troughton or Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker or Colin Baker or Christopher Eccleston (and the rest) and I felt happiest if I'd written a line I felt any of them could have delivered -- each in his own unique way. 'Fear me, I killed all of them,' for example. === Now that got me thinking. I could totally imagine Tennant delivering that line. And Ecclestone, for that matter. McCoy, I picture it with a tweak. But I can't imagine Pertwee, Davison, or Colin Baker delivering that line. Troughton and Hartnell, I can see. But not those 3. (Doctors 3,5,6) Anyone else have a comment on how a past doctor might have delivered such a line?

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Getting in my morning exercise...

    by Perigee

    Fear me, I killed all of them..." With Toms delivery it would have been matter-of-fact, a shrug with no recognition or concern of consequence. A discounted half-thought counter; "Yeah; so what..?

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST

    @Perigee - I kind of agree. I think I can imagine Tom doing it

    by V'Shael

    after seeing him express virtually every range of emotion over 7 seasons. From madcap God of chaos holding the Key To Time, to as you say, matter-of-fact shrug, like when he's first told the Daleks will conquer the universe. His response to the Time Lord is just a simple 'It's possible. Go on.'

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 6:34 a.m. CST


    by Perigee

    Haha, Doctor, I will now escape while you save your precious earth people!

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Gaah - I give up.

    by Perigee

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Notepad first...

    by Perigee

    Fear me, I killed all of them...

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Notepad first, the second - ignore all above...

    by Perigee

    OK. Now without any kind of semblance of proper punctuation. The seventies was such a ...quaint time. The Doctor had a tin dog and battled rubber suits. But regardless, there was always something about Baker's Doctor. It flitted about the perimeter of him and I was never able to pin it down until this exercise came up. - Fear me, I killed all of them... And then I realized that Tom Baker was a lot like Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka; there was more than a little psychopath hiding behind those googly eyeballs. It never really came out - probably, no one at the time suspected it - but thinking about it now, Baker's Doctor Could have been Exactly the sort of threat you'd build a Pandorica for. That line, in Baker fashion, Could have made the blood run cold. No brag, no remorse, not even any great thought about it. Just a off-hand comment, a half-formed slap at some tyro trying to brag about something of no consequence. I've seen waves of angst eminate from Eccleston, Tennant and Smith about the Time War - but I don't buy any of them having the stone cold guts to actually put the timelock on Gallifrey. Just boo-hooing over it later. Given just the slightest twist in the character, however, I could see Baker's Doctor doing it and never thinking twice about it. Had to be done, don't you see? C'mon, K-9 - time to go... Delgado's Master would have crapped himself, if somebody twisted the screw just a little to the right with Tom. - Haha! Now I will escape, while you save your precious earth people! - Nooooo; I don't think so. This will only kill, what, perhaps ten thousand of them? I'm sure they'll make more. I think I'd better just stop and kill you instead, don't you think? After all, you'll just be back, killing more of them later. It's a bit silly, isn't it? ~Cheesy Grin~ - Uh... but the people... They will die, Doctor! - Yes! ~Grin~ And so will you. And they'll grow back, and you won't, and then this whole thing is settled out in fifty years or so to the good. It makes so much more sense this way, you see. We've heard a lot about seeing more of ~the dark side~ of The Doctor in the next season. I'm curious - do we mean Dark, or do we mean Emo? Are we going to hammer on more Daleks with a spanner, or are we going to say, Ok - enough of this nonsense, and just press the Jammy Dodger and wipe them out without the usual show of tears and the horrid weight of responsibility? (I FARKING HATE THIS CRAPPY PIECE OF CRAP CRAPPING CRAP)

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Oh - and in fairness:

    by Perigee

    The Cybermen fleet - Very Dark. And Yankee-Doodle cool. So huge credit for that one.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Delivering the line

    by ByTor

    I could almost see Davison doing it, almost with a hint of sadness. As nice as he was, he was the one who shot a Cyberman with his own gun, or pointed a gun at Davros. I can also see Colin saying it. He certainly had his cold moments. More the Revelation of the Daleks Colin than anything else (or the Vengeance on Varos Colin). I can't believe Pertwee saying it, to be honest. He's really the only one I have trouble with on this.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Olympics

    by Liam Brazier

    I'd guess that'll be playing havoc with the majority of scheduling for those months.

  • Dream Lord dark. Valeyard dark. Or at least enough indications that he's well on the way there (unless things happen this and/or next season to turn him around). <br> Oh, and good job with the 4th Doctor scene. I could totally see Tom Baker doing it. <br> <br> I don't see why people have a problem seeing Colin Baker doing the dark thing. We're talking someone who gave a James Bond type quip after someone fell in an acid bath in Vengeance on Varos. <br> And, actually, given what we saw of the Time Lords in The End of Time, I could see any one of the Doctors using the moment to stop it. We might see varying reactions to their having had done it, but any one of them could have done it. And, having done it, you could have any of them using the line. I would see Davison giving the line with a lot of regret and guilt in his voice. Pertwee would probably use his standard arrogant delivery of the line, like he was dressing down a civil servant who was being a mild annoyance to him.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST

    This... could be fun, DocTom

    by Perigee

    I almost missed the train into work today, because I got myself engrossed in A Good Man. And all sorts of ~You sonovabitch, Moff, you~ moments came out of seeing it again, which I'll start slapping around hysterically in tomorrows docback. But damned if that opening bit and the warning that ~A Good Man doesn't need rules, and now isn't the time to find out why I have so many~ wasn't the coolest concept of possible foreshadowing. So... Dark. One off episodes instead of arc. And then the big Five-O season. Could be the ultimate, coolest, most intense build up to an incredible aniversary season I could imagine. Kind of like the Doctor slowly spiralling into alcoholism until he hits rock-bottom, and in the 50th finds his redemption. Except, instead of alcoholism, it's the full realization of his power without rules. Does Moff have the guts to go that intense, that adult? Would the BBC let him? ....Ahhh, if only.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    @Bytor - I think you've hit the nail on the head there.

    by V'Shael

    If *I* was a scientist?? Let me tell you my good fellow, that I *am* a scientist, and have been for many thousands of your...

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Other Moff thing

    by Fuck The Napkin

    I remembered the other thing The Moff apparently wanted to do when he first took over the show. He wanted to go to shorter episodes with more per series/story, like in the olden days, but was told episodes had to stay the length they are so they could be padded out to 60 minutes with adverts for the US market. I don't think the current length is a terrible thing, to be fair, but it is kind of sad that an interest in making money in the US overrides creative decisions on a show that should really be made for British TV licence fee-payers.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST


    by ByTor

    I think dramatically the new length works a lot better, regardless of the reason why. It gives enough time to breathe without getting drawn out. Watch SJA for an example of the limitations of the shorter length: you're just getting into the story and the episode's over. And ANY production is going to take marketability into consideration.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Killing TimeLords

    by HornOrSilk

    The First Doctor -- he killed thousands because they attacked Susan. The Second Doctor -- he killed his thousands, because they went traitor and worked with the Daleks. The Third Doctor -- he killed thousands, hoping they will tell him how to fix his TARDIS. The Fourth Doctor -- he killed thousands, because they bowed to Sutek. The Fifth Doctor -- he killed thousands because he let them all play the game of Rassilon. The Sixth Doctor -- he killed thousands since they supported the Valeyard. The Seventh Doctor -- he killed thousands to get his hand on Nemesis. The Eighth Doctor -- he killed thousands, because he let them all remain dead. The Ninth Doctor -- he killed them all. The Tenth Doctor -- he killed only the Master, but remembered his past. The Eleventh Doctor: he destroyed a whole universe.. and Rassilon.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Episode length

    by Fuck The Napkin

    I'd be happy for the episodes to be 30 minutes, and for each one to finish with a dramatic cliffhanger. Having one full episode dedicated to exploration and wonder, then a big surprise turning up at the end, for example, would be wonderful. As it is we have to go through arrival->exploration->meeting someone->learning of a problem->investigation->discovering a baddie->running->meeting baddie->clever plan->reverse polarity->goodbye to new friends->move on in a 50-minute episode every time, unless it's a two-parter in which case it can almost feel a little dragged-out as two full episodes (though I still prefer them, generally, to one-parters). I'm a bit biased I guess as I remember the thrill of each week ending with the 'neeeeoooow!' noise at a critical moment, leaving me terrified that the Doctor was definitely going to die this time. It would also mean the series could drag on twice as long. :)

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    The Radio Times seems to think there will be a 2012/13 split

    by supertoyslast

    It's a BBC publication and in the intro to their interviews with Moffat, Smith and Gillan this week they mention that the next series of 13 episodes will be split between 2012 and 2013. It could, of course, be the writer getting the wrong idea. But so far, there has been no official announcement that the 13 episodes (plus Xmas Special) which have been commissioned will all be broadcast in 2012. Just that at least some of them will be. We do have quotes from the controller of BBC1 saying that there will be a 2012/13 split. I still don't think that all 13 will be broadcast in 2012. I hope that I'm wrong because I really dislike split seasons.

  • Moff only said that he was going to pull the lever back. It doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be any arc stuff, just that he'll dial it back from the levels we have in Season 6. Whether that means Season 5 levels, Key to Time levels (where the arc can be a Macguffin or in most cases irrelevant to the story itself), RTD levels, or arc?-What-Arc? levels remains to be seen. Personally, I think that things have progressed too far in TV (especially sf series) without some kind of arc going on, even if it's only something picked up now and then. I certainly expect more one-off stories, but I don't see arcs being totally abandoned.

  • Hartnell, certainly. I could see Colin Baker easily using the line. (Although the timespan might need to be changed for the different Doctors - I think the Time Lord's blocking the knowledge of time travel from Pertwee also blocked his knowledge of how to count past 500.) <br> Tom Baker? It would depend on who he was talking to. On the other hand, I could see Tom Baker with the following exchange - - So, you're the proverbial mad scientist we've all heard about. - (Baker) Sir! I'll have you know I studied mad science at Harvard!

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    I don't see 30 minute episodes coming back (or 22 minute episodes, so that they can allow for commercials in other countries). It's not a standard length for drama now. The one hour time slot is the standard. <br> As for losing the cliffhanger at the end with the zing, we still get it with the two (or three) parters. And, we've also gained the zing from setting up some dramatic cliffhanger or 'what the heck is going on' moment leading into the opening credits.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST


    by Fuck The Napkin

    Yeah, I know... just saying. I still love it when two-parters get to an exciting point and you get the 'neeeeoooow!' and no (immediate) preview of the next week. So much better to be left hanging. Gives me flashbacks to being 7 years old. :)

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Oh, I understand, I still get those flashbacks

    by DoctorTom

    now, for real flashbacks, imagine Howard Da Silva narration over the beginning of each episode and over the 'next time' teasers at the end. (Boy, that makes me feel old thinking about them now. Still, I wish they had included the Da Silva stuff on all the appropriate Tom Baker DVDs as extras.) <br> Still, there's something to be said for the things like Rory telling the Cybermen 'Do I need to repeat the question' then getting hit with the opening sound of the credits. The 'Space: 1969' going into the opening actually made me giggle a little (as much because it also made me think of the Space:1492 cartoon that appeared in Galaxy magazine as part of a review of the 1st episode of Space:1999).

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Thing is, if you go back and watch the classic series (and I've been doing that a lot, lately), a lot of the cliffhangers were just terrible. Not all, mind you, but many. I think the current system is better: you don't get them very often, but when you get them, they're corkers. The end of Utopia? Stolen Earth? Army of Ghosts? Time of Angels? And so on.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Cliff hangers

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, some were _bad_, but I think the show loves being bad, at times.

  • a lot easier to imagine the various incarnations using. For example: What are you a Doctor of, exactly? Practically everything. That's an exchange I can hear every single incarnation saying, though each in his own inimitable way. The Fear Me line, while brilliant, and totally awesome, didn't ring as easily for me, though with the help of my fellow Docbackers acting as directors through time, I can see how some of the other doctors might have approached the line read. (Davisons quiet desperation rings very true.)

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    As to the whole split-season thingie...

    by Perigee

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    As to the whole split-season thingie...

    by Perigee

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by Perigee

    As to the split season thingie, I just did the math(s) and found out that 13 episodes is 3.25 months. So, unless they start it during the very first week of September, it will pretty much be fated to run across the New Year. But that's not a Split Season, really. It's just... Hockey Season. Basketball season. As much as it peeves me to know that we're coming up on a nearly 12-month wait for the next series, at least I'm looking forward to a meal when it gets here, rather than a series of small inadequate snacks.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    v'shael -- Fear Me

    by HornOrSilk

    I can see every Doctor doing it, for different reasons. For example, the one I see many saying they can't see saying it, Colin, would be over-the-top farce, to be sure, but it would be a kind of mockery/ridicule.

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 5:49 a.m. CST

    The Green Death

    by Rebel Scumb

    Hey, haven't been around much for docbacks lately, busy busy! and also trying to get started on a writing project of my own. But I did watch The Green Death the other day, and had to say this one was quite good, and I may have overlooked it if not for some helpful docback recommendations. I've never really been all that crazy about Jo Grant, or Liz shaw for that matter, but I really adored Jo in this her final story. Also I find maggots to be vomit inducingly gross, so this was a great monster for me. Some good brig moments, good pacing overall, a hilarious evil computer "STEEEEV-ENNNS!!" sounds almost like Dan Canstinella on futurama as the robot devil! And one of the only classic era doctor episodes I've seen with some actual character development and a bit more depth. The bit at the end where the doctor lets Jo go, but so much is left unsaid by both of them was very touching. Also the cutaways in Part 1 of Pertwee on the weird alien world fighting unseen monsters had me in stitches.

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 6:05 a.m. CST

    re: The Green Death

    by GeptaOO1

    Is that the one with the green glowing worms? That one actually gave me nightmares when I was a little kid...

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 6:09 a.m. CST

    The green death

    by Evilmeister

    My earliest memory of watching any tv at all is seeing the green death and being terrified of giant maggots. I think I was probably about three at the time. I still can't look at maggots without thinking of Jon Pertwee. ahhh memories :D

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    @Rebel Scumb

    by V'Shael

    Yeah, The Green Death was great. First Doctor Who episode I ever saw. If you really liked Jo's departure in the final episode, and if you haven't already checked it out, she does come back and meet Matt Smiths doctor in one of the Sarah Jane adventures. And it is worth a look.

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 7:02 a.m. CST

    When I first watched The Green Death

    by GeptaOO1

    I was 9 years old, it was on PBS very late on a saturday night, and the 2nd part of the episode was interrupted or pre-empted by some movie about giant carniverous bunny rabbits... I didn't see the 2nd half of The Green Death till about 3 years ago.... But for several years when I was a kid I would have nightmares of green glowing worms chasing me through all sorts of environments, jungles, deserts, etc. Sometimes I would wake up and the moonlight casting an eerie light would make my half sleeping brain see glowing worms in my bedroom... only 37 hours till a new episode... I can't wait

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST

    I wonder if the current show runner cares to explain himself...

    by notspock2 Try not to laugh too hard.

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Oh dear god, please tell me that's a spoof site.

    by V'Shael

    I clicked on the link, and had to rush back almost immediately when I saw the Daleks referred to as "Jewish". This is either going to be hilarious, or deeply deeply troubling....

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Amazing article

    by Fuck The Napkin

    I agree with everything he says. Get Moffat up on war crimes NOW!

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    Nope, he's wrong, it was Laurel and Hardy, not Abbott and Costello. So much for that theory.

  • That's the first time I heard of Dalek coming from a Norwegian word and not from Terry Nation's encyclopedia with the volume Dal - Ek. <br> And managing to talk about the Jews and Daleks without ignoring the obvious Nazi parallels with the Daleks (especially obvious in Genesis of the Daleks). I don't think the author ever bothered to go back and watch any of the classic series. <br> And, I always thought it was Dalek Caan, not Dalek Khan. I think the author needs to try to connect Dalek Caan to the Illuminati by drawing a line from the name Caan to James Caan first (but do you go to the Illuminati through the Godfather link, or the Rollerball link?). Even with using Khan, I'm disappointed he didn't work in a Star Trek II reference. <br> And the bit about the fez being a smoking gun for linking to the civil unrest in Africa - well, Warehouse 13 just had fezzes in the episode last Monday, I guess this means Warehouse 13 is part of the Illuminati (oh yeah, I forgot - there's also the pyramid that was Warehouse 2, and the Illuminati use pyramids!) <br> Maybe it's a good thing the author didn't watch the classic series. I'm not sure I could take his analysis of Peter Davison (who was the 5th Doctor, and the number 5 as well as 23 are important to the Illuminati) and how the piece of celery he wears is the key to deciphering the Zionist/Illuminati conspiracy.

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    bob-orci: don't forget the masons, the illuminati & the reptilians

    by Rebel Scumb

    no dumb conspiracy theory is complete without reptilians!

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    that's actually the ONLY episode of Sarah Jane Adventure's that I've seen!

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 7:35 p.m. CST

    by geoff

    Nope its to accomodate the olypics and the fact that the spring/summer episodes don't quite hit the first run ratings on the bbc that the winter episodes do. I'm calling it as 7 pre christmas (Sept-October-November) A christmas special and then 5 jan-march. then 4 bank holiday specials for the 50th anniversary followed by the sept-march template being the new regular schedule.