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So The Upcoming STAR WARS Blu-Rays Are Even Specialer Editions!?
Merrick here...
The mighty, and awesome, and mighty awesome Bill Hunt recently got a preview of the forthcoming STAR WARS Blu-Rays which are coming our way in a few weeks.
He wrote an extensive piece about it over at The Digital Bits, which you can find HERE. It's quite interesting and I strongly suggest checking it out. Sounds like many issues folks had with the overall quality of the 2004 DVDs are being pointedly addressed in the new Blu-Ray sets - Bill's article has some before & after comparisons of video fixes, for example (fixing wonky/unevenly realized Lightsaber blades, better hiding a glimpse of a Wampa puppeteer's previously exposed arm, tweaking the sloppy digital touch-up that was supposed to obscure the edge of Palpatine's make-up in RETURN OF THE JEDI, etc.)
Here are a few choice snippets from Bill's piece for your consideration:
Regarding the Original Trilogy films, I don't think it's quite accurate to say that these are simply the 2004 DVD masters recycled for Blu-ray. These films are NOT the 2004 versions. It would be more accurate to say that these are new 2011 Blu-ray versions.
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significant additional dirt removal has been done, more garbage matte lines have been cleaned up and other little "fixes" have been applied as well.
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The original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy are not included on these discs.
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Once again, George has apparently added a few new "surprises" into these films. I don't know what they are and didn't get to see any of them on Friday, but I was assured that there will be "new things to notice" when we watch the films. I think we can safely assume that one of them will be the new all-digital Yoda in Episode I. Way back when Episode III was released on DVD, ILM digital effects supervisor Pablo Helman confirmed to me that the puppet Yoda in Episode I was replaced with a digital version to better match his appearance in Episodes II and III. In fact, the Episode III DVD extras includes a clip of the Episode I digital Yoda. However, this Blu-ray set is really the first opportunity we'll have to see it in full.
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A few additional audio details were apparently "added" into the mix as well. I put added in quotes, because in many cases these elements - mostly very subtle background sound effects and voices - were recorded back in 1976-77 for the original film and were even used in the original audio mix, but because of the poor state of the art for movie soundtracks at the time, nobody's ever really heard these things before.
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Some of you may recall that on the 2004 DVD, when the X-Wings begin their dive down to the Death Star, the familiar John Williams trumpet fanfare was buried in the mix so you could barely hear it. No longer! The trumpets ring true in the Blu-ray mix loud and clear.
This last point, to me at least, is tremendously good news. That music...and that moment...when the trumpets sound and the little bitty X-Wings peel away to bravely dive on the great big Death Star...is fantastically stirring and roundly goosebump inducing even after all these years. It is, perhaps, my favorite moment in any of the STAR WARS films. It was completely hamstrung by the 2004 DVD's atrocious downmix, so I'm glad as hell that it's been re-applied to its former glory. Well done!
Again, if you've any interest in the upcoming Blu-Ray sets, or even if you're just curious to see how Lucas & Co. are approaching the films this time around, check out the article. There are photo samplings (that framing comparison is subtle but fascinating) and many other details to chew on.
Episodes I, II, and III (aka "The Prequels") can be pre-ordered HERE, Episodes IV, V, and VI (i.e. "The Original Trilogy") are pre-orderable HERE, or all six films (the only iteration which includes all the nifty extras if I'm understanding correctly) can be found HERE.
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a home video release in my life.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST
"The original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy are not included on these discs." I can hear the gnashing of teeths from here, across the Atlantic.
by AsimovLives
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST
The original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy are not included on these discs.
by rev_skarekroe
That's all you need to know. Pass.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
Lucas is like Da Vinci if he kept fixing the Mona Lisa after he painted it.
by AsimovLives
Will he ever be satisfied?
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That to ensure they make money on the shitty prequels that you only get all the most wanted OT extras if you buy the full six-film box set with the shitty PT Blu-Rays that nobody wants.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST
re: "The original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy are not included on these discs."
by jim
Surprise, surprise, surprise
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of his own gallery cuz he kept trying to tweak his paintings. Someone should lock Lucas out of Skywalker Ranch and release the original versions in anamorphic widescreen.
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from the end of Jedi! Blasphemy!
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More of a 2001 and Blade Runner type of SF fan, myself. I guess i came to SW too old (saw it much later on VHS home video, not on the theaters at release) for it to held me in such sway as it did to so many of you here.
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Isn't it far nicer to preserve the last really good puppet performance in cinema???? I don't really have a vendetta against CGI, and for episode II and III it was completely necessary... but why get rid of something that's an important part of cinematic history?
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but my priest raped me as a child. Just kidding.. I raped him!
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Ok, Lucas, I'll buy your fucking movies. Again. Ah, who am I kidding, I can't fucking wait!
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Why not just release the original versions?
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST
Gritting my teeth while I type... any fix on the Greedo thing?
by impossibledreamers
I mean has not enough folks griped on that issue? Do I have to go into the whole 'stabbed Joseph Campbell in the back' thing for going against the very storytelling arcs that George worshipped when he talked of Episode IV?
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So you won't watch Star Wars on Blu-Ray just because of a few minor details that don't really matter in the big picture... I call bullshit on that sir!
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I guess Lucas is going to fleece the fanboys three or four more times before releasing the original theatrical version. Suckers!
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He would repaint her as Hayden Christensen.
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Get over the Greedo thing, it's really getting old! These are Lucas' movies, he can do whatever the fuck he wants to do with them!
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The cow is dead, there are flies on the corpse, and it stinks to high heaven -- stop milking it. Stop pushing this "re-imagined" or "re-envisioned" or whatever you want to call it shit onto us. Everything new Lucas has done since 1983 has sucked. I'm sick and tired of it all.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST
I'm the sales will reflect you whiney bastards are all gonna get it anyways
by Brannagins Law
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To match the huge fanboy love for "Star Wars: Revisited". Will he fail? Maybe, but I for one hope not. I truly hope all the inconsistencies are fixed. Including Greedo.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST
I'm buying it. I'll enjoy every minute. Well, I'll be annoyed through most of the prequels.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
The Star Wars prequels that existed in my mind before the real prequels will always be superior. Ah... for love of the imagination. I surprisingly like The Phantom Menace more and more as the years go by. Of course, I prefer my own edit, which is pretty darn snappy! Can't wait to see the Fan Edits of these on the interwebs! Attack of the Clones will be an awesome in a 62 minute edit! Someday we'll have the true original trilogy on blu-ray. Probably after Super Blu-Ray comes out or some such nonsense we can't live without.
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My Teeth are Gnashing Already
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Lucas is this biggest pimp ever. Star Wars is his hoe and the fanboys who can't resist buying again and again are the tricks.
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When Lucas showed up in that Indy 4 filming footage wearing a "Greedo Shot First" T-shirt.
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I think there's a chance that we could be surprised by what may have been changed. As I understand it, the only film disc they were shown was Empire. Why not all of them? Has Lucas addressed the Greedo issue? The Christensen ghost at the end of Jedi? They promised there were changes. You never know folks! Sure I expect to be disappointed, but them deliberately only letting them have a look at Empire is making me wonder....
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are the space monkey, cheweybacca and the little green lizard man that talks like miss piggy
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Only he robs Star Wars fans like...repeatidly.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST
skycrapper_deuce - How about removing Hayden Christensen
by room23storeblogspotcom
While were at it lets just remove him completely from the whole series. Have Lucas people hire a good actor and spend all of the time that they are wasting to fix up the already great original theatrical releases to digitally replace another actor with angry pouty boy. That would be a good addition.
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since he doesn't make films anymore, he's not really a filmmaker so what is he now?...this blu-ray release would sell millions of copies without some marketing hook like "ALL NEW ADDITIONS!!!" Does Lucas really need to keep butchering his own corpse of a trilogy like the woman who can't stop going under the knife who ends up looking like a duck who can't stop smiling (Howard the Duck...zing!), just to sell an extra few discs??? Why does he keep fucking with these movies??? It's so sad.
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I was utterly irritated seeing Luke's GREEN lightsaber ANH, or Vader's pink nonsense in ESB, or the atrocious saber cross in front of the Emperor in ROTJ. Seriously, how the fuck did that get through QA back in 2004? Same with the ANH audio problems, but it looks like they fixed that too. One thing that bugs me, they fixed the so-called "humdinger" glitch only because they happened to be showing that very footage at comic-con and a fan noticed it was still there. How closely are they really looking at this release?
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should have played Aniken in prequels
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Not another dime from me.
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from the entire film, and replacing him with a good actor? I know double chin has the technology.
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I expect a dime from you is hard to come by anyway, you jew.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST
and aren't they re-releasing the entire saga in 3D???
by Billy_D_Williams
that makes how man god damn re-releases/changes this movie has had??? will the 3D theatrical re-release include the supposed changes on this blu-ray set? what about the dvd set? which version am i supposed to watch with definitive satisfaction, George? I bet he can't even answer that question. Sad...so fucking sad...even sadder considering these movies (the OT) is what got me into filmmaking in the first place, me and thousands of others like me.
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So that change is a negative. Episode 1 can't be any worse, though, and it's not like I'll buy it so I guess I don't care. I can't say that I'm pleased with ANY tampering with that "X-Wings Begin Their Attack" shot. It was already perfect. Remixing the sound so that the score drowns out the sound effects could decrease the weight of that scene and make it as flimsy as the fleet battle at the beginning of Episode 3. How about re-editing that entire scene before fucking around with ANH any more?
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get ready cause it'll be coming. soon.
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on my ep 4,5, & 6 DVDs, I'm warming up to the idea of special editions. And I am glad that they're refining them for this upcoming release. I do think they should go back to Han shooting first because the SE version looked terrible and was completely laughable. I could nitpick over every scene I approve or disapprove of, but I think I'll cave and just pick up these blu-rays in the end. I haven't bought much Star Wars stuff over the past several years so I think I can splurge this go round.
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They're removing the black squiggle from the side of the Emperors hood?!?!?! Nooooo!!!! I love that random black squiggle. Like the evilness of the man occasionally just manifests in a unknown wormy black slug evil thing.
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middle aged Star Wars who hang out on this site waiting for news of whatever nugget of hot, cheesy goop Lucas is poised to blast down their throats like eager little baby birds. But I'm a grown man who gets laid and drinks beer and doesn't give a flying fuck about Lucas, his stupid ass Muppets in space movies, and the dipshit fans who adore them.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST
Who is to blame for the sorry state of cinema today?
by Billy_D_Williams
Barry Diller and Michael Eisner, thats who. They came out of television, and they understood how to sell films on TV. If it could be pitched in a sentence, it could be sold in a sentence. High concept movies like Beverly Hills Cop lent themselves to being sold on television because the story was so easy to explain. Even though television buys back were expensive, it was the quickest, easiest way to reach a wide audience. From 1976 to 1980, there was a staggering 600 percent increase in studios' TV advertising spending. In other words, the sizzle started to become more important than the steak. Diller's Paramount regime was also the beginning of the movie by committee syndrome that pervades Hollywood today. Diller and his lieutenants (Eisner, Don Simpson and Jefferey Katzenberg) began setting the agenda at the script stage. Previously it was left to the director and the screenwriter (you know, the actual talent) to work out what the movie would say and how it would be said, and then run it by the studio for input. But at Paramount the executives would get involved with the first draft of the script, typing up voluminous notes (Simpson was notorious for this) for the filmmakers. Next they would hold story meetings so the executives and the filmmakers could float their ideas. , many of which were undoubtedly in conflict with one another. It was then left up to the filmmakers to cut and paste it all together. Soon the joke going around Hollywood was that "Paramount is the place that gives you a greenlight and then dares you to make the movie" The execs who engineered this system at Paramount spread it like cancer (or herpes) across Hollywood over the course of the 80s and 90s until it became the accepted way to develop, make and market a film.
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fluffyunbound - I agree. Puppet Yoda in ESB, ROTJ, and TPM is better than the CG version in AOTC and ROTS. He feels like a real character, a likeable little critter. The CG version is a cunt.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST
HOW ABOUT DIGITALLY REMOVING HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN'S PERFORMANCE AND REPLACING IT WITH LEO DICAPRIO?
by Darth Busey
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Greedo shooting first is not a minor detail. Jar-Jar and Hayden C. at the end of Jedi is not a minor detail. Horrible new musical numbers in Jabba's palace and the Ewok village are not minor details. I suppose "You're lucky you don't taste very good" being changed isn't that big a deal, but it bugs the hell out of me just as much as everything else. If I didn't buy LotR on blu since they fucked up the color on FotR, I sure as hell ain't buying this.
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Lucas intentionally holds back on fixing everything because he needs a marketing hook for his next round of blood sucking...NOW WITH ALL NEW IMPROVEMENTS!!! The guy has become a parasite...i would expect thios behavior from hollywood studios, not a filmmaker who supposedly hates Hollywood's way of doing things. Fucking hypocrite.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST
OR DIGITALLY REPLACING THE PREQUEL TRILOGY AND REPLACING IT WITH THREE MOVIES THAT DON'T COMPLETELY BLOW?
by Darth Busey
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Your post is too long, I lost interest a couple lines in. Can you summarize your main idea into 20 words for me?
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Aug. 23, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST
fluffyunbound, the X-wings scene is being restored to the way it was in the original release
by Billy_D_Williams
the 2004 DVD had the sound effects drown out the score for the ENTIRE death star attack, which drove me fucking nuts.
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You are a sad person, please kill yourself.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2 p.m. CST
Greedo shots first = GL misses the whole point of his movie
by SmokingRobot
The power of the force ennobles the selfish and cold-blooded so that they will put aside their own personal safety to help you in your darkest hour. Oh wait, Han wasn't selfish and cold-blooded. Never mind.
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I thought they were declaring the original version's sound mix defective in favor of something dominated by the music. If all they're doing is fixing a previous DVD error, that's cool.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2 p.m. CST
Remove that terrible scene where Han has to step on/over Jabba's tail
by Roger Moon
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Enjoy your ban, racist asshole.
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for that hideous, God-forsaken "Han steps on Jabba's tail" scene. Seriously, WTF? I don't mind changed, but they need to make some effing SENSE. Greedo shoots first? Yeah, OK, whatever. Han, puffed up with bravado but very obviously trying to talk his way out of being shot on the spot, physically injures and insults the very creature to which he's trying to appeal? GAH.
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...think its safe to assume all of this special edition stuff will be on whatever format is out that replaces bluray when the final movie comes out to video after the 3D release, so there's no way in hell I'd wanna spent $80 on 2 movies that were terrible, 1 that was too little too late, and 3 great films that are slowly being brought miserably into the new era of CGI everything. Luckily my kids have Toy Story and Back to the Future to get them started, then the Nolan Batmans and the Bourne Trilogy...of course they'll watch Star Wars but BttF is timeless because its a well made classic and Star Wars keeps getting tweaks done to it when it was fine the way it was.
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hair looks in the original star wars movie! It looks so "70's" with the feathered waves down over his ears. He should have a high and tight crew cut because he wants to join the military and his uncle is strict with him and would probably make him cut it short. Also, digitally add underwear for chewbacca or add in a big cock and balls... I mean, come on, he has no pants on, where is his junk??
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It looked terrible in the DVD release. They fucked around with the colour of it, and made it look pink. Still looking forward to the blu ray release though.
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What did I say that was racist?? I just took issue with you quibbling over every minor detail of a silly sci fi movie. AND since I'm am African American, I'm pretty sure I'm not a racist!
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Jabba should have been one of those blue holograms, so Han could walk around it without any solid bit of tail in his path. Fucking idiots.
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yippieeee!
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST
The original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy are not included on these discs.
by Kevin
Can you even get them???
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST
Digitally remove Jar Jar AND Jake Lloyd from Phantom Menace.
by Quake II
Then you'll have a fairly decent movie. Many of you hate Jar Jar but I'll take his slapsticky nonsense any day over the HORRIFIC line delivery from Jake Lloyd. Worst child performance in cinema history.
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righteousbrother, follow that HERE link provided in the article, there's a screengrab of the improved lightsaber fx. The article also says he is not allowed to comment on the deleted scenes but he has seen them and fans will be suprised by how substantial they are, and some things fans may have not known even existed.
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Now that's what I call pod racing!
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and every other lame generic racial stereotype in Phantom Menace
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Google it. And may the Force be with you... Always.
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You have an anti-semitic comment above that is probably bannable.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST
Hayden Christensen in Factory Girl is good. Star was, not so much.
by Quake II
He has some decent acting chops in the independent films I've seen him in but Lucas must have let him just deliver lines off of cue cards because he SUCKS in the Star Wars prequels. Ewan McGregor is the only actor that gave a decent performance in the prequels...Yes, even the usually great Liam Neeson was flat and robotic.
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star wars... 1st being the fat boss of jar jar... oh, and that guy who protects the queen with an eye patch with no straps.
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I'm excited to hear that these are revised editions and include fixes. We are the 1.04 generation and quite used to patches for video games, remasters of audio CDs and the like. If you can fix an error (such as the puppeteers arm in the wampa scene) then why not? The thing I have more of a problem is when it isn't a fix, it's a supposed improvement - like adding an intro to Mos Eisley or extending the song in Jabbas palace or making Greedo shoot first. Because a lot of those things aint necessarily improvements in my book.
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...from the face of the Earth? What's next, adding a city background to THX1138? (oh, shit, I forgot he already did that!) A drum'n'bass soundtrack to American Graffiti..? The bloke is a hack. Massive respect to Spielberg for stating that he won't retrofit shit into his movies. STOP LINING LUCAS' POCKETS!!!
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST
I'm not buying Blu's until theatrical versions are released...
by Andrew Coleman
Also I hope those changes are mainly edits. Cut a lot of the pointless shots in AOTC. Change Greedo shooting first, goofy robots, Han stepping on jabba's tail. Get rid of the musical scene in jabba's palace. What I really hope is added is battle scenes in AOTC. I watched in some extra's they had a lot more of the battle planned out. It either got cut to keep the rating a PG or because of time. I remember one moment being those termite bugs flying down in mass and attacking clones. Since almost all those scenes were just CGI I hope they added a little bit more of the battle. It was the only good thing to come out of AOTC. Frankly though as time has passed The Phantom Menace grows on me. Why? Because it actually feels like a Star Wars film. They actually had sets. Sure Jar-Jar is annoying and the kid is horrible. Still the fight at the end felt like Star Wars. AOTC never really did. Even ROTS which was better over all but still felt off. So them replacing the puppet in TPM is a huge misstep. But oh well.
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahh!!!
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhhhhhhA!
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Funny analogy. However, Leonardo Da Vinci DID make some very extensive touch ups to that painting! Recent imaging found a second image beneath the first. It seems that Lucas, like artists, often touches up their work. I wasn't even born when the original two STAR WARS films was released. When I saw clips from it online, I was shocked at how "good" the effects were for the 1970s...but how cheesy some of them would be for today. I don't have a problem with George Lucas continuing to "perfect" his work...but I just hope that Greedo shoots first.
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Someone here said so a few months back. If true, I suppose it's included here?
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That was sarcasm... because I'm the first person to equate Judaism with being cheap! (that also is sarcasm) Other breaking news- Asian people can't drive, black people like fried chicken, and Muslim people like to blow stuff up. Damn, Don Rickles would never have had a career if he started in this P.C. environment!
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That was some funny, funny shit! Oh and JUST FUCKING STOP GEORGE. Fuck you and your "new things to notice" bullshit. Shove the revisionist shit up your fucking ass.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST
Another in the long line of reasons that Merrick sucks...
by RockHardTobascoSlimJim
The X-Wings diving at the Death Star is your favorite moment in the entire Star Wars saga?? Suck a bag of dicks, sir.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST
Another in the long line of reasons that Merrick sucks...
by RockHardTobascoSlimJim
The X-Wings diving at the Death Star is your favorite moment in the entire Star Wars saga?? Suck a bag of dicks, sir.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST
I still own and watch my definitve laser for the "orginals".
by Bartleby T. Scrivener
Even though it looks atrocious by today's HD standards, the fact that it's still presentable in an older format gives it kitschy feel that I seem to enjoy. But I'm still buying the Blu-Ray.
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is episode 1 racer. i played that shit like mad on the 64, and i would love it to be on virtual console or psn. be sweet if they updated the visuals a bit, too. it is still my favorite racing game with gran turismo 5 a distant second...
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST
The only change that really irked me in the "Special Editions" (besides the Han Greedo thing)...
by HB_Dad
...was the chaning of the Ewok music at the end of Jedi from the real Ewok song to some new-age easy listening crap!!
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST
No, harrison_fords_taint, it's true. I won't be buying these.
by rev_skarekroe
Also, I don't have a blu-ray player. But even if I did, I'd say fuck it. I've already got this version of all six movies on DVD.
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but not limited to any Star Wars movie, more than 4 or 5 times...you have too much free time on your hands. Wake up people! Go outside and be productive! China and India are taking over!
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... and it's the fight between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader. It always sucked, but now when you watch Episode IV right after Episode III and their fight in that it's virtually unwatchable.
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That X-Wing scene was pretty fucking awesome. Mayhaps it is thee who should be sucking said bag of dicks? Or shall we make it a bag of cocks?
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OK, that makes sense.. If I didn't have a Blu-Ray player, I probably wouldn't buy these either.... unless maybe to use them as cool drink coasters or Frisbees.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST
... because of the poor state of the art for movie soundtracks at the time
by MooseMalloy
No, no -- you're thinking of the 1930's.
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I even remember seeing the special on Fox back in the day where they talked about "Han Solo walks around Jabba, ohnoes how does he get around teh tail?!" Um.. Have Jabba's tail facing towards the audience instead of the Falcon? Stepping on his tail is awful, yeah.
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This is NOT true HD on those Blue-Ray discs. If you want the REAL scoop, check out "The Secret History of Star Wars.com", especially the "Saving Star Wars" article. It's a comprehensive look at the "restoration" of the Original Trilogy. Open your eyes people, you are being deceived!
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has Justin Bieber hair.
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The Jabba scene in ANH was interesting to see but I personally think it shouldnt have been added back into the film. It blows the first reveal of Jabba himself (who is mentioned but unseen in both ANH and ESB). Secondly it blows the reveal of the Milennium Falcon. Remember this scene comes before the moment where Luke and Ben approach the falcon and Luke declares it a hunk of junk. The Falcon is practically a character in its own right, and it deserves that cool intro. And finally, it blows the reveal of Boba Fett. I always imagined he was some intergalactic bad ass tied to no one - but now it seems he's just Jabbas full-time henchman.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST
Now where are the blu-rays of the 1st 3 Indiana Jones films?
by Kevin D
I'm glad to be picking up the 9 disc set of the Star Wars films on 9/16/11 as when I read that article on digitalbits yesterday, it seems like they have finally addressed all of the issues that I had with the original DVD set as it seemed like a bit of a rush job at the time. But I still want some kind of a proper announcement on when the original Indiana Jones trilogy will finally be released on blu-ray as I'm much more of an Indy fan than a Star Wars fan.
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I'll buy the OT anyway, but that's not the point. At least Spielberg is doing the Jaws Bluray right.
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The OT blu-rays are made from modified 2004 masters, which are 2k transfers. That's a teensy bit higher than 1080p, so yes it will be true 1080p HD.
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You know the ones......the part where the X Wing crashes and it's just a puff of smoke and the bits with the fake polystyrene looking Death Star. Lucas altered some special effects that didn't need altering but he left bits like that. Unbelievable.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST
The only "fix" I want to see is the removal of Hayden Christensen from the end of Jedi. Accomplish that and I'll buy this set.
by The Krypton Kid
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It's about time they were redone as they're embarassingly bad. Make them look meaner and less like men in teddy bear suits.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST
Guess I'll be taking my THX mastered original trilogy laserdiscs
by openthepodbaydoorshal
to Antiques Roadshow, since they'll be the best representations of the original three, and be worth a small fortune.
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Unless I'm surprised by some major things being fixed in EP IV, I just can't do it. It's not the same movie anymore because I don't enjoy it anymore. Pesky robots, jawas falling off their ride, Greedo scene, Jabba scene, pink smoke, red faces, etc. I don't think it can be called a classic, great film in its current iteration---classic great films don't annoy and sadden me with awful additions, and distract me with sloppy A/V elements. Star Wars once was a 4-star film, now it can only be a 3-star. Lucas's tweaks really marred the experience of watching it. It used to feel great watching Star Wars. Now I just want to turn it off.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST
Agree about Haydn Christensen....remove him and the kid!
by LORDOFLIGHT
Why Lucas chose such a whiny unconvincing actor to play a young Darth Vader is beyond me. And I'd get rid of Jake Lloyd piloting that fighter and yelling yipppeeeee!!!!!!!!!! Fuckin awful.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST
Whoa! wait a sec. "Massive respect to Spielberg for stating that he won't retrofit shit into his movies"
by Knobules
Close Encounters "special edition" added scenes inside the spaceship. ET, Guns gone walkie talkies in Retrofitting
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Oh and give Portman a tub of caffeine. She was in a coma through that entire thing.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST
You know, Lennon & McCartney's vocals could use some auto-tuning, too.
by kevred
Not to mention nudging and time-stretching their vocal parts - some of them just start and end so out of sync (milliseconds!) that it's noticeable. And really, can we finally just overdub Ringo's drum parts with new recordings done by Neil Peart? I'm sure we all agree that adding Lady Gaga's harmony vocals and piano to all of their material would enhance it. And George Harrison is less appealing to the youngsters than Justin Bieber, so we'll replace him in all the Beatles' video footage and photos. And once that's done, we'll never, ever release the orginal versions of their albums again. This is EXACTLY what Lucas has done.
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My stupid newphews lost my Episode 3 and Episode 4 DVD's and I've refused to re-buy them....so I havent seen them in a long time. 14 hours of Star Wars in just a few weeks...on Bluray!! AHHH!!!
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In fact if I was making the film I'd never have gone into so much detail in the prequels about Vaders origin. I'd have kept a lot of mystery to it.
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So it's ok to watch 500 different movies a year, just dont watch the same one 4 times? Fucking retard.
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Han Shooting first back. ESB Color. Snow is white not blue Light Saber Effects Bring Back Sebastian Shaw at the end of Jedi. Also remove the lame dance number from Jedi. Puppet yoda in episode I can be replaced with the digital one. I can live with everything else. If Lucas must change it.
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Oh, please....what Lucas did is he added stuff. Comparing adding Jabba the Hutt in Episode 4 to using pitch correction? No, the REAL comparison would be something like color correction in a movie. No one's bitching about that. The musical equivalent would be like adding a solo or another verse.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST
Spielberg has said he will always make sure the unchanged E.T is available to purchase
by irc-Hollywood
He has stated that the special edition was largely a mistake.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST
And Asi - you do know that SW is not really sci-fi, but fantasy
by openthepodbaydoorshal
dressed up as sci-fi. The whole notion of the original three is faith vs science. The power of the Force (belief) versus the power of the Death Star (technology). 2001 and Blade Runner (and THX 1138, Star Trek TMP and name your choice) aren't even in the same playing field.
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Lennon and McCartneys work has been re-released though, in different formats, and loads of tweaking was done to The Beatles albums when they were re-mastered recently. I think Lucas can do waht he wants with the films, no-ones forcing anyone to but em'.
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Fleeced again
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I'm a huge TPM fan, and will admit that I am going to miss the puppet Yoda there. But whatever. It's not the worst change I can imagine for that film (where did those awful rumors of Darth Maul not getting chopped in half start? I better not have to start wearing a damn t-shirt of it).
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That is all the change that I need!
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The lightsaber fights might lose their quality after watching so-called "episode 3" and going into "episode 4," but the quality of the movies get better. How can that be?
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CONAN O'BRIEN is a FLOP! http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/08/18/wall-street-journal-conan-experiment-a-flop-so-far-for-tbs/100751/ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903639404576514691273411486.html
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Absolutely no green filter on FOTR at all, all looks beautiful. UK purchase.
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You are the fucking retard... why watch the same movie over and over again you geek. Go out and try to jog a mile.
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The way some people talk you'd swear things like bad special effects and noticeable matte lines were a good thing. I don't like all the changes Lucas made in the SE's (like Han shoots first) but some of the effects needed improving. I hope you can't see through those snowspeeders anymore for a start.
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Lucas removed entire actors' performances. He removed sets, special effects, matte paintings, sound effects, changed entire scenes, altered plot points, removed and replaced voices, removed and replaced music, and on top of that, he added a lot of extra material. And you compare that to color correction? And that's your entire argument for telling me I'm "way the fuck off"? You're a clown.
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"“[In the future] there’s going to be no more digital enhancements or digital additions to anything based on any film I direct. I’m not going to do any corrections digitally to even wires that show…At this point right now I think letting movies exist in the era, with all the flaws and all of the flourishes, is a wonderful way to mark time and mark history.” “When people ask me which E.T. they should look at, I always tell them to look at the original 1982 E.T. If you notice, when we did put out E.T. we put out two E.T.s. We put out the digitally enhanced version with the additional scenes and for no extra money, in the same package, we put out the original ‘82 version. I always tell people to go back to the ’82 version.”
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That's the only FX fix I'm interested in.
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... At the begininng, Kane will utter "Rosebud ... it's a sled from my childhood ... "
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST
All I want to know is: Greedo still shoots first?
by RedLeaderStandingBy
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First off, very little has been done to the Beatles albums for re-release. They've been remastered. All the original parts and vocals are intact. No new material has been added. But the most significant part is that, no matter how the material may have been experimented here and there, the original material is, and always will be, available. That's my one and only beef with Lucas. Let him keep tweaking his films until the end of time. I have no problem at all with him doing that. But don't pretend the originals don't exist, and then do your level best to see they never see the light of day again. Criminey, all he has to do is keep a basic, clean version of the original films available in whatever format/standard is current. It's a trifle compared to all the new work that's being done. That's incredibly little to ask.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST
we want lucas to make anew special edition of howard the duck
by generasputinhole
replace howard with a cgi "emotion-capture" character.
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That's why I love my BLADE RUNNER and BRAZIL sets. I have the choice to watch any version I want.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST
asimov, age has nothing to do with liking or disliking Star Wars
by Mattman
That movie captivated audiences of all ages at the time, hence it's massive success and appeal.
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My grandfather was a huge fan of the original STAR WARS films (he died before the prequels were released, thankfully for him). They were the serial adventures of his youth, with a little Doug Fairbanks, a little GUNGA DIN and a little mythology thrown in. They just happened to take place in outer space. My grandfather's love of John Williams' work surpassed even mine, too. People tend to forget that STAR WARS is very much an old-fashioned entertainment, cutting-edge effects aside.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST
"The original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy are not included on these discs." That's all I needed to read. Fuck you, Bitch Lucas!
by AzulTool
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST
Choppah: "he died before the prequels were released, thankfully for him"
by Mattman
Lucky man. He died happier than I will.
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eventually he will have done so many changes that he will be releasing entirely new movies.
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So glad it's being replaced. Fucking thing was cross-eyed for the love of god.
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he no fix anakin out of preqwal lol! c i make funny joke about how bad haydon crischansun is! + han no shoot first and step on jaba tail so me take stand and keep money away from lucu$. ha ha- - c how i make funny his name with mony s?
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Talk about a crazy-quilt of alterations, each of which has its fans. (And that reminds me, I haven't seen Blade Runner in too long. Have to remedy that.) With today's technology, there's little excuse for us to not be able to pop in a Star Wars disc and go to a menu that says, "Original theatrical version - 1997 Special Edition - Current Special Edition", for example. Lucas likes us to think he's being cutting edge, but he's really ignoring what's possible now and just keeps taking away every version of the film that we get attached to. I bet plenty of kids were first exposed to the 90s SE versions, and now they're gone too, right? Heck, even the awful post-prequels SE versions are probably gone compared to the further tweaks on this new set. It's like someone giving you a new Xmas gift each year, but taking back the one they gave you last year. Hard to get too excited about that.
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I still remember Siskel and Ebert blasting him (or his marketing people to be fair) about what a sellout it was. I actually kind of liked the revised version. So who knows. bla bla bla. Continue on movie geeks...
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...was feeling exactly the same way. Jesus, Lucas - surely, by now, you've made enough money off the nerds you've been robbing from to afford the triple-chin removal surgery, right?
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They claimed they cut that puppet of the same mold as the Empire yoda... but it looked like shit.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST
Imagine if Coppola decided people would only get to see APOCALYPSE NOW REDUX from now on?
by THE_CHOPPAH
Or the chronologically ordered GODFATHER SAGA? Besides pissing people off for no good reason, it's bad business. I mean, obviously, Lucas is going to make a mint on these new Blus no matter what, but he could be making even more if he just put remastered editions of the original versions on the Blu.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST
The original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy are not included on these discs.
by Philbert
Fuck him and fuck his movies.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST
How about trimming all the lines in the Prequels that were from the Original Trilogy?
by skycrapper
you know like -how rude! -this is where the fun begins... -I've got a bad feeling about this. I hate when they try to "pay homage" to the original like that.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST
In these new versions, Palpatine shoots both Han and Greedo first!
by LordSoth
Yeah, I'm only interested in the original Theactrical versions (with a bit of clean-up)
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST
The people who suggest removing the shit Anakin actors are onto something.
by flax
Seriously – Lucas has edited plenty of minor characters in and out of his films. What's stopping him from making the leap to major ones? Get a couple of legitimately talented actors, one about ten years old and the other about twenty. Slap costumes on them and have them act out Anakin's scenes in front of a green screen. Paste them in over those wooden bastards, Lloyd and Christensen, and you've got an instantly improved prequel trilogy. I'm not even joking – a move like this would generate some crazy buzz in the fan community. People would buy the new editions just for the novelty of it. Come on, Lucas. If you're going to fuck around with your old films, at least do something interesting with them. Or, dare I say it, you could make an actual attempt to improve the bad ones.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST
TLC has a new documentary about fucktard: "THE WORLD'S FATTEST BITCH"
by AzulTool
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST
That "Han stepping on Jabba's tail" was freaking horrible, and very unnecessary.
by Yamato
The could have cut away to Boba Fett or any other character, during the conversation, have the conversation moved to a "back ground" level for a moment, then return to Han, who has now moved to the other side of Jabba. Not perfect, but way better then the stupid thing we got.
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Beats me. I know for the old one they used latex. For the new one they used some other bullshit that was supposed to be more life-like. It had the opposite effect. I don't think Oz is completely blameless either.
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The new actors' performances should be overseen by a director whose name is not George Lucas. Pity Irvin Kershner isn't around any more.
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Ya know, I'm 37 years old, I grew up on Star Wars, I remember seeing Empire in the theaters in 1980, i had a slew of the Kenner toys, and had the films on VHS and even Laser Disc... and all of that. I am a total Star Wars and movie nerd. That said, I welcome the SEs and I like the 2004 SEs much better than the original versions. I thought some of the 1997 SEs were half assed (Like Ep 4 Jabba etc) and while I don't 'love' Greedo shooting first that one little event doesn't ruin the other 6 or 7 hours that i find MUCH improved. My only complaint is I feel Ep 4 needs MORE fixes. like the rumor of footage of Alderan scenes with Jimmy Smits etc. Compared to the other 5 films, Ep 4 seems a bit static and not as epic, so more footage of more characters and stuff to make the story grander are welcome. not to mention little fixes like digitally fixing Vader waving his hand like he is talking to Tarkin but he is not saying anything, even more efx polishing and the like. I dio wish he would update them totally and leave them alone,and not do a little bit every release, but I haven't seen the orignal versions since 1997, and i probably will never watch them again. On the whole the SEs are much better, and i welcome even more polishing.
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No, no, no... to say he shot first implies Greedo shot second. But Greedo never got off a shot.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST
Hey, if musicians can put out tracks for fans to 'remix,'
by THE_CHOPPAH
can directors do the same with movies?
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I know it was a comment, WAAAAY up at the top, but somebody made the comparison that DaVinci didn't do special editions of the Mona Lisa. Actually, he started work on it in the early 1500s and worked on it for over 15 years - fixing, working, adjusting, abandoning, reapproaching, etc; etc; etc; The only reason it was ever "finished" is because DaVinci started to suffer from the effects of being dead. Like it or not, an artist has the right to revisit their work as often as they like. Mr. Lucas would do well to acknowledge that much of the fanboy hate comes, not from the adjustments, but from the difficulty in getting the original versions as well. After all, who wouldn't like to see what the Mona Lisa would have looked like at the artist's first pass. Of course, I have no doubt that there will be a SUPER DUPER EXTRA SUPER SPECIAL EDITION FINAL PRODUCER'S CUT ALL INCLUSIVE PACKAGE ON BLU RAY at some point that will have every Star Wars related video, from Original Versions, to the Holiday Special, to the Ewoks cartoon, to the inevitable version where all the actors are removed and replaced with Hayden Christianson playing everybody. In 3D. Maybe save you pennies, and wait. It'll come.
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I enjoy watching movies more than once. Like the one that will eventually show you being swallowed by a massive sinkhole as you are out jogging.
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Greedo didn't shoot shit.
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"A Yedi? On dis chip? We our doomed!" Asians should have complained about their obvious attempt at parody.
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I figure we knew that the original theatrical releases of the original trilogy weren't going to be on these discs, and yet people still go on, despite having stated that they're not buying the discs - I mean, what the fuck? Shout, and scream, and holler all you want - if you want to make a point, don't fucking buy them!! Me? I know I'm sad, but these sound good, and anyway, I have the DVD's of the first trilogy theatrical editions. I'll probably pick this up on BR, and enjoy it for what it is. Hey, maybe Han will shoot first again!! I can hope!!
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST
LOL!The only reason it was ever "finished" is because DaVinci started to suffer from the effects of being dead.
by Knobules
Thanks man. laughing here.
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really for me that alteration ruined the OT for me, I cant watch the film and have them end with the guy from those films I would rather forget. WTF is Lucas' problem I mean really he simply pulls this shit to piss of the fans.
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Your grandfather sounds awesome.
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I'm still crying over 45 seconds of changes in a 2 hour movie from 34 years ago!!!!!!!!! Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh." Seriously, get over it. I'm as big a Star Wars fan as the next guy and I was pissed at Lucas for what he did too... but the special editions came out 14 years ago and TPM was 12 years ago. This is the way it is, Lucas isn't going to change, is it really necessary to come on here and cry about it EVERY FUCKING TIME Star Wars is mentioned? If you don't care about Star Wars anymore why come on here and cry like babies about it? If you don't want to buy the blu-rays don't buy them, do you think Lucas gives a fuck? Millions of people love these films and the whiners are only a vocal minority. The Star Wars facebook page has over 5 million fans on it. Seriously, get over the changes and that Lucas didn't make the prequels you wanted, you'll enjoy life a lot more.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST
I dunno, sandstorm Luke building his lightsaber IS pretty kewl...
by Billyeveryteen
Wampas invading Echo base? Colour me curious.
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I cringe every time I remember that the Haley Joel Osment was considered for the role of Anakin in Episode I. He was eight years old at the time. Instead, Lucas picked a kid who epitomized VERY BAD ACTING. That was the WORST decision of the prequels. The second worst decision was failing to include a "Han Solo" type of anti-hero in the prequels.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST
LUKE BUILDING HIS NEW LIGHTSABER IS FAKE! LOOK AT THAT CLEFT IN HIS CHIN! HE LOOKS LIKE FUCKING BARRY MANILOW!
by AzulTool
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How did that ever pass as satisfactory with Lucas, the producers and everybody else down the line? ESB Yoda was such a masterwork.
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...was how all the crazy stuff - aliens, space ships, etc. - was treated as mundane. As it should have been in that world. One of the coolest little shots is when Luke is selling the landspeeder. In the foreground, a giant pair of skeletal legs walk past the camera. A fantastic element, but treated as though it was nothing special. Today's Uncle George would show you the whole thing walking by, and linger on it for seconds.
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yes it might be 45 seconds in a two hour film but it vastly changes a character arc and demystifies two characters to the point of parody. Han Solo not shooting first takes away the FUCK THE WORLD attitude he had and how he becomes a person less about money and more about looking at the big picture. with the inserted Jabba scene, it lessens the impact of the chase of Jabba and his minions. Han literally walks over Jabba. Why is he running away from such a 'scary' gangster? and by having Boba Fett in that scene just fucks it up for me..rather than having Fett be a badass we grew up with, he now is Jabba's bitch..his errand boy..his lackey.. and that sly look to the audience at the end of the scene..like we didnt notice you Fett.
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You are gainst it because it will not include the original theatrical versions? If you want the nostalgic feel for these movies, then watch the VHS versions of the film, or turn to the DVD release that included the original versions.
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Thanks. He sure was. He gave me my first exposure to KING KONG, DRACULA, the Karloff FRANKENSTEIN movies, Indiana Jones, and the Bond films. The man made me a geek.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST
And he lived to 98 even though he smoked cigars daily and ate tripe once a month.
by THE_CHOPPAH
He was a hard motherfucker.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST
Lucas is the only persona who can milk his "One Good Thing" more than Hulk Hogan
by Love_Gunt
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Straight up, period. The first shot when he's out on the hull of the ship as shit is going down... it may have been the only part that made me feel like a kid again. Also when he uses his thrusters inside the docking bay of whatever ship that was, at whatever point that was. It sucks that I only enjoyed a few brief moments out of all three of those films.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST
I stand corrected. Han Shot Once... Greedo Died. Period
by impossibledreamers
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Actually, the Jabba scene was totally unnecessary. Story-wise, the only purpose it serves is to show us that Luke and Ben have just hired an unsavory pirate...which was already established with the original Greedo scene. Hence, making it redundant and rightfully excised from the film in the first place...putting aside any FX limitations of the time. With the altered Greedo scene it is especially out of place because if Greedo was willing to blow Han's ass away on the spot then why the hell would Jabba himself be so friendly with him...and allow him to step on his tail to boot, with no complaint or reprisal. I really have no problem with the IDEA of the Special Editions actually. The SW movies were always meant to look as realistic as possible. But it's these kind of prequelesque tweeks/decisions that really blow it. Aside from from making Han's character less cold-blooded (thus making his imprisonment in carbonite and rescue by Leia...which could have served as a "rhyme" of Padme's struggle with Anakin... Leia redeems Han in a way Padme could not...saving the one she loves from a life encased in metal...but I digress...) when coupled with the added Jabba scene, it totally hinders the plot to have Greedo shoot first. I mean, if Lucas was that stressed about violence he should have just cut the fucking Greedo scene altogether after re-inserting the Jabba footage. I could have at least respected such a choice. And yes, minus the tail bullshit (and with decent CGI right off the bat). Jesus, just cut to some kind of longshot or a close-up of Boba or just ignore it altogether. Nobody would have noticed or they just would have assumed that Han stepped OVER the fucking tail. Goddamn, it's like Lucas is a RETARD sometimes. It reminds of the shuttle nonsense added to Empire. Gee, thanks George, for 17 years everybody was like "how the hell did Vader get to from Cloud City to his Star Destroyer?" thanks for clearing that up bro...way to slow the whole scene down. Seriously, just sweating stupid shit at the expense of story and this type of shit just becomes epidemic in the prequels.
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I wish Spielberg had stuck to that (not changing anything). I hear they are fucking with the Indiana Jones Trilogy by changing mat paintings to CGI and tweaking special effects.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST
If the original unaltered versions aren't here, then I'm not buying.
by Esch
I'm tired of George tinkering with my childhood. If he doesn't plan to release the original unaltered versions I grew up with as a kid, then I'm not spending my money on the Blurays. His FU to the original fans is quite clear and I'll just have to settle for the 2004 DVDs with the laserdisc print. sigh.
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The laserdisc print had DD 5.1. The DVD only has stereo.
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...by providing three SKUs - the Complete Saga box with substantial extras, as well as the movie-only Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy sets (note that the movie discs do have the commentaries at least) - there's essentially an option for every level of fan.
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EXCEPT ONE! Seeing Hayden Christensen appear at the end of Jedi and give his son the same creepy sex stare that he gave Padme is the ultimate boner-kill of all time. One of the greatest moments in cinematic history and Lucas shoves that bullshit in to tie it to the prequels? It seriously makes me angry.
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...that there was a time that I would have been thrilled about this, but what Lucas has done to Star Wars has made me so bitter toward the franchise that I can't even look anything branded Star Wars anymore, without instantly thinking of it as a creatively-bankrupt cash grab.
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Why do you need to see Jimmy Smits in Episode 4? I mean really? What so we can cut away from the drama unfolding before your eyes. So we can see 10 second clip of him exploding??? It's not needed at all to tell the story at all and takes away what ever tension is there just so we can see a special effect.
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and change the ending of jedi to match the clerks cartoon. that would allow the purists to have their old guy back, and the new fans would love to see charles barkley, even if it is getting shunned by the dead jedi...
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Han Solo has a CGI mustache throughout all three movies.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST
Digitally replace Hayden Christianson with someone who can act
by krabklaw
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The jabba scene should be cut out completely because it's redundant as shit, but if they have to keep it in they should do a close up of jabbas face, following han with his eyes until he's standing on the other side- do something else and you've got a jump cut (even a jump cut looks better than Han stepping on Jabba to tell you the truth). Why couldn't ILM figure this shit out anyway?
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...is one that Lucas didn't even fix: the absolutely RUBBISH collision of the Executor into the second Death Star. It looks like something I could have done in my shed with some Kenner models and a couple of maroons.
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me no like changes luca$ make 2 his film this is y he so dum. me think reel hard and rite for long time and prove 2 world me smarter then chin beerd,,; ) hahaha. C me funny b cuz lucass have funny harry chin
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Aug. 23, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST
I can't wait for the Divx file of the deleted scenes, etc
by principalblackman
go rape another dewback George Lucas!
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This is probably one of my personal favorite things to hate about the "remastered" versions. Especially Han referring to Jabba as a "wonderful human being", because as we all know, Jabba was human when it was filmed, but I suppose if you're gonna leave the kiss in, why not leave in other nonsensical crap.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST
That's the most disturbing Harry animation since the HUMAN CENTIPEDE one.
by THE_CHOPPAH
Sick ginger fuck. Gawd, I love you!
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Also, I'm VERY tempted to wait for a Blu Ray release of the *original* original trilogy - how many dvd versions did we see before the unfuckedwith release?
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Why the fuck did they put those shitty shuttle scenes in ESB. I fucking loathe them.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5 p.m. CST
The new Star Wars opening is a static space shot, followed by Lucas' enormous ass slowly entering the upper 3rd of the frame.
by AzulTool
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I'll ride the NYC subway as a trooper and get more laughs.
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I really, really do. 8-)
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Jesus fucking christ!! I bought like 3 editions of the VCR versions then they wore out, then the DVD versions, then the remastered DVD set versions, then a single DVD version with the original cut (HAN SHOOTS FIRST BITCH!!!) I'm going to wait until the holographic hard light versions come out so I can fuck slave Leia.. Fuck you george... don't you have enough money?
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST
Can George Lucas digitally give me my 2 hours back?
by Doctor_Strangepork
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST
The original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy are not included on these discs."
by Franck
Guess what: In a few years Lucas will release "The Ultimate Star Wars Blue Ray Box Set", that WILL include the original theatrical versions. And you'll pay for it, because you are all his biatches (and so am I)... but it ain't over, because the following year you'll get the 3D Blue Ray version of the wrong edition, only to bitch for a few years and get the 3D version of the right one...by then a new technology has appeared..the saga goes on, we all get it deep but we like it..thanks Daddy George.
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Your THX laserdiscs are not even original theatrical release. The OT was not originally released with THX mastered audio and video.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST
Lucas always had issues of the first Star Wars movie (and by that i mean A NEW HOLE)
by AsimovLives
He hated the circunstances the movie was made, he hated the compromises he had to mkake, he hated the shooting of the movie, he hated the special effects, and he always considered that the finished movie as we know it represented, at best, 60% of what was intended. He was so dispirited with the final result he though he had a major flop on his hands and even retreated to Hawaii so to not be there when the bad news came. Which never did. Frankly, i believe that the changes he has made thus far are merely cosmetic. People have been very critical of those, but i think those barely represent how much Lucas really wants to correct about the first SW movie (and by that i mean A NEW HOPE). I believe that if he could, he would never tire until his real vision was onscreen. And that means a pretty big overall of the movie. I'm even suprised he has never made a remake of the first SW movie, and i bet the only thing that really prevents him is commercial acumen. Basically speaking, the movie so many of you love is not what Lucas really wanted.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST
Who gives a fuck about the The original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy?
by Mugato5150
I DON'T want to see garbage mattes. I DON'T want the audio to be fucked up. And who gives a shit if they replace puppet Yoda with CGI? It's Blu Ray. It's going to look like shit if they don't clean some things up. And how many versions of Lord of the Rings are there already and it's only 10 years old? As for the changes in the SE, I don't agree with a lot of them but putting Hayden Christenson at the end of ROTJ makes sense, there I said it.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST
SO is Hayden Christenson still at the end of ROTJ?
by VermithraxPejorative
Seriously, it's bad enough Lucas ruined the prequels, but he seriously tarnished the originals with the special editions and DVD's. Hayden Christenson at the end of ROTJ is one of the most ridiculous and obnoxious additions ever. The dance sequence is also pretty bad... anyways, these movies made my childhood.... now it's all garbage.
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Thank goodness i chosed 2001 and BLADE RUNNER instead. And here's the AICN Geek Blasphemy of the day from me: THX 1138 is George Lucas' best SF movie. Correction: it's his best film. Yeah!
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Han shoots first. This needs to be reverted. It doesn't make sense for Greedo to shoot first and not kill Han. Lightsaber colour fixes. How did no-one notice that Luke's lightsaber was green in ANH? Fix Vader's pink lightsaber too. Han and Jabba scene - don't mind that scene keep it. Maybe touch up Jabba's CGI. Music sequence in Jabba's palace - I can deal with it. Was there another scene removed which this replaced. If so add it to special features. I seem to remember a different song but maybe it's still in. New Ewok song at end of ROTJ - I actually prefer the new one to Yub Nub especially seeing all the various planets celebrating the end of the Empire. Add Yub Nub to special features. Hayden instead of Sebastian Shaw - I really don't care who appears as Anakin Skywalker. Sebastian's force ghost looks nothing like the Anakin we saw burned up in the Vader mask so I think it's probably better to see the actor that portrays Anakin in the prequel trilogy. Add the older scene to special features.
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after seeing the special editions and prequels, the original trilogy must have been a happy accident.
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was not a digital effect at all. In fact, that dark patch of ink over his face shadow was in the original print of 'Return Of The Jedi'. I was the projectionist for the film in 1983 and ran a 70mm presentation of it for four months. That area on his face always stood away from the rest of his shadow and was clearly some sort of cell animation fix that sat on top of the photo-image and never integrated. Perhaps the 2004 DVD release tried to digitally fix it again but the problem of mismatched shadows (and not an edge of the makeup showing) was there in '83.
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If you whiny bitches ever do get them, you will watch them once, realize you were wrong and that they look like flash gordon now, and go back to the real versions.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST
Jabba, you're a wonderful human being!", "Lucas, you're a gigantic fat fucking slug
by AzulTool
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Shaw should NEVER been replaced. I'm sure some ass kisser at FOX (or Lucas) thought it would be "clever" to add Hayden due to the timing of the DVD release with the prequels for fans to be like: "ooooooooooohhhh shit! It's the Anakin from episode thrrrrreeeeeeee!" "Ohhhhhh snap!" And then, nobody said that.
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I'm probably repeating others, because I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way, but I've not read the above posts so... Yea, I'm not buying Star Wars again. Not ever again, on any format, until I get the cleaned up original theatrical versions of the films. So, count me out on these sets.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST
Replace ROTJ's Ghost Hayden Christensen with Ghost Jake Lloyd!!!!
by wackybantha
Just for kicks.
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Aren't your assholes hurting enough from the repeated rapings?
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I'd bet my Stormtrooper costume that someone from FOX probably suggested that to Lucas.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST
I like Star Wars more than all you idiots and I welcome more changes.
by EjkoUSC
Bring em on. Keep improving them. You guys are idiots for bitching about putting Hayden in ROTJ. Who the hell is that old man Sebastian Shaw? That's not the face we and future generations are meant to envision when Vader runs around in IV-VI. You guys need to think big picture, 100 years from now when Star Wars stands as a single pice of filmic literature. They will benefit from that continuity long after the nerds and the nerdy offspring they never had are dead.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST
Or replace ROTJ's ghost Hayden Christensen with ghost Darth Vader!!!!
by wackybantha
Yes, the suited Dark Vader, helmet and all. He would just be kinda waving at Luke because who the heck can tell if he's smiling. I suppose he could look in the direction of ghost Yoda and ghost Obi-Wan a couple of times. Not much else he could do. Although it would be interesting to see him ignite a ghost lightsaber and re-ghostify ghost Obi-Wan. Plus, he never got to fight Yoda. Now is his chance!!!!!!! Or maybe a ghost Jabba? Hmmmm.......
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST
When Bitch Lucas pulls his pathetic pud, while reading 'Boy's Life', do little white Stormtroopers dribble out on to his considerably-sized gunt?
by AzulTool
Oh, wait. Scratch that. He'd have to have the ability to at least get semi-hard.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST
I like the animation of Harry as Kate Winslet from Titanic
by Motherfucker Jones
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Bill Cosby gotta eat ... puddin' pops.
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Better yet, DYLAN DOG! We KNOW Routh gotta eat ...
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST
ejkousc "I like Star Wars more than any of you idiots."
by ToughGuyRizzo
Tell us what George Lucas' dick tastes like. And more importantly, did you cup? You know you did.
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Luke, I'm your father. I brought you into this world, Imma take you out!
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I've still got my special edition widescreen DVDs where the "bonus disks" have the original theatrical versions. Okay, it sure ain't blu-ray, and I have to hack my flatscreen down to 4:3 to make the picture look right (and smaller), but it looks pretty darn good to me. Just saw Han blow Greedo's ass away like a leaf.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST
Okay, the subject was "Original DVDs." Now this subject has no text.
by tbrosz
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Whatever cupping is I'm sure I did it. Got me.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6 p.m. CST
Vader as Ghost Dog. Now that's a fan film waiting to happen. (if it like, hasn't already)
by ToughGuyRizzo
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For the billionth time, he is the only one who shot.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST
I'll bet they didn't clean up all the deleted scenes so that fan editors couldn't make a Blu-ray quality extended edition of some sort
by TheUmpireStrokesBach
Sometimes it seems like STAR WARS just doesn't really need Lucas anymore. I don't know, like his presence is mostly redundant at this point. All he does is hold it back, like some sort of over-protective parent, smothering and infesting their child with their own neurotic obsessions. I know it hurts George, but you're just gonna have to let it go eventually. Isn't that one of the main themes of the Prequel Trilogy anyway? Letting go?
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Lucas is such a shitty filmmaker that he better keep fixing them into oblivion. Cause honestly it takes him that many tries. Keep plugging away old man you'll get there.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST
When Lucas dies, who would you want to re-make the prequels?
by ToughGuyRizzo
I mean, the OT could be re-done too,(if a director wanted to) but I'd rather see a better version of the PQ's
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I believe in you.
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is the fact I'm going to save myself a big old wad of money by NOT buying them. This has gotten to be like watching a 1st grader with watercolors...he makes a tree, it's a pretty nice tree, but then he keeps adding more and more shit, and more and more colors until at the end of the day he has a painting that resembles a big grey shapeless blob. Take your incessant CGI masturbation, your hatred of humanity and your creatively spent money grubbing waddle and Fuck off George.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST
Commas and the English language would help. Or are you using an online translator?
by ToughGuyRizzo
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A New Hope in 1977 is the film he made...its the film he SIGNED OFF ON, warts and all...if he didn't like it he should have taken his fucking name off the thing...he knew the technology was not up to snuff back then, but he made it anyway and barring a few cleanups here and there as home formats become more sophisticated, he should leave it the fuck alone. That fat son of a bitch would be directing documentaries for Dateline NBC if it weren't for us fans making him rich and falling in love with the version we saw back in the day. We deserve the respect of getting those versions in the same quality as any cleaned up versions, as Spielberg did with the E.T. dvd release.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST
Rise of the Apes is one of the few movies where CGI "made" it
by ToughGuyRizzo
OVER-CGI in SW is NOT needed. I agree 100% conspiracy. As most fans of the OT do. 20 years ago we all felt the same watching our VHS (or laserdisk) copies.
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Luke: I can’t believe it. Jar Jar: That is why yousa fail.
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And has shit to bring to the discussion.
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At least I'm not grasping for Lucas' COCK.
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Can't you argue, however, that fans owe Lucas more than he owes them? He is this one that created this hobby for you. He is the one who gave you something to love and discuss and talk about and slave over. Isn't that more than the hundreds of dollars (I mean have you really spent thousands on SW?) over the years? Like any artist, he didn't have to create it in the first place. It's a miracle this shit even existed. You were always beholden to his vision. You wqere in 1977 and you are today. "Art is never finished, it's only abandoned."
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This whole Special Edition project could go on forever. At least until Lucas lies in his Sandcrawler mausoleum.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST
Every one of THESE changes would make for a better saga...
by performingmonkey
1. ANH Greedo does not get a shot off, Han shoots him cold. 2. ANH Jabba scene CUT. 3. TPM, several of Jake Lloyd's lines cut (no 'yipee' ever), though re-instate the scenes where he fights with Greedo and Qui-Gon cuts down the probe droid. 4. TPM, cut down Jar Jar's lines and bring in an overall pacier edit. 5. ROTS/ESB, put the shitty Emperor/Sidious makeup in shadow so we don't have to see it...ever. 6. ROTS, cut 'no....no....no....YOU will die!!!' or at least fucking re-dub it as well as a few other changes to make Sidious more evil. 7. ROTJ, cut down cutsie Ewok time and maybe CGI the furry little cunts. 8. AOTC....change lots and lots...go back in time, slap both Hayden and Natalie. 9. ROTS, have more interaction between Palpatine and Dooku. 10. ROTS, not have Anakin go out like such a pussy. 11. ROTJ, cut Jedi Rocks. 12. ROTJ, keep Hayden force ghost but reshoot it. 13. ROTJ, save Boba Fett from that pussy death. 14. ROTJ, cut all mentions to Luke and Leia being siblings, redub Vader, instead of saying 'sissster, you have a twin sister' he says 'girlfriend...you have a hot girlfriend...if you won't put out, perhaps she will'
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST
Hey, conspiracy, since you're here, I think it's time for another round of "DO THEY GIVE ANAL."
by THE_CHOPPAH
Today's CGI, special-edition episode's contestant is ... George Lucas! So, DOES George Lucas take it up the ass?
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It is very good, but it's no AMERICAN GRAFFITI. THAT, friend, is Lucas's best movie.
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You keep banging your idiot drum, Dumb Boy. All you got to bring is COCK apparently. Cock this, cock that. Cock is the refuge of the inarticulate. I'd dock you points if I didn't already figure you'd be too loserish to warrant them in the first place.
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I'm going to replace the three Jedi ghosts with Greedo, Jango and a really confused-looking Tusken Raider. THEN I'm going to have Han Solo urinate on Greedo's smoldering corpse -- and say he's NOT sorry about the mess -- just before he empties the cantina's tip jar and exits. THEN I'm going to have Luke absently but lovingly cup Threepio's shiny ass throughout the original trilogy. Then I'm making a seventh movie that will be comprised of nothing but Luke and the robots doing gay stuff. Two can play this game, George Lucas.
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I don't owe Lucas a god damn thing other than the $3 I paid to get into Return of the Jedi in 1983, the $20 I paid for the VHS box set in the early 90s, the $50 I paid for the laser discs in the late 90s and the $40 I paid for the 2004 dvd set...feeling the need to buy each version because of the upgrade in quality. That fuck fucking vampire has gotten exactly what he's deserved from me, the prices he's charged for his services...NOTHING MORE. As someone who's made him rich, I think he owes us the privilege of allowing us to watch the original films in the SAME QUALITY as the dvd and blu-ray sets (the dvd original were not anamorphic dvd quality and struck from the laser disc masters, which is an inferior master to the HD master used for the special editions).
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Dock it, as you said you would. THAT is your bidding, fuckface. and I can spell.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST
Herc, Tuskian Raiders have no expression! : Begin fanboy rage in: 3....2.....
by ToughGuyRizzo
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST
ejkousc...you know why people look back at Michelangelo as a genius?
by conspiracy
Because he didn't go back to the Sistine Chapel and convince the papacy he needed to add more unnecessary shit to it every time he needed some cash. He did it perfect and right the first time then walked away...that's fucking Genius. Lucas is no Genius in retrospect...he is a guy with a good idea that got fucking lucky.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST
its not like I'm talking some far out, ridiculous request...
by Billy_D_Williams
movies from the 70s and 80s are released all the time on blu-ray...the upgrade in quality is amazing...and it would be selfish of Lucas to deprive people from having that same STANDARD issue for the blu-ray of Star Wars films...the discs are big enough for him to fit both versions. But he's a greedy, stingy fuck, so he wont do whats STANDARD and not to mention the right thing to do. So fuck him!
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So since 1983 you only spent 113 dollars on Star Wars? Pssh hardly enough money to start making demands. You need to spend at least another 400 dollars to start bitching about what you paid for. Having said that I agree he should make the originals available in pristine quality for posterity. I can see why he doesn't which is chiefly that he does not want future generations to be confused over which version to watch. But yeah, he should make them available. Why did you buy the 2004 set if you object to the changes? Vote with your dollar good man.
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Why tinker with the originals? Why waste time on Ep1 - 3? They were awful and need erasing from history. Reboot I tell thee - REBOOT!
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST
ejkousc, i bought the dvds bc i wanted to see the upgraded quality
by Billy_D_Williams
and tried to ignore the changes, but i cant, they stick out like a sore thumb because of how many times i've seen it. the maddening thing is, Lucas KNOWS THIS...he knows he made amazing movies and inspired a generation of kids and adults...and not he's REFUSING to allow us to have the versions we fell in love with in the same quality as his special editions...it makes me furious because he's being unreasonably stubborn.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST
I spent $400 on my stormtrooper costume, $2000 on Boba Fett.
by ToughGuyRizzo
So, is that good enough? What professional SW costumes do you own ejkousc? Or do you just own toys & films to call us idiots? Cause I used to have a pretty big dedication. Especially with the Empire & Rebel tattoos I have.
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I'll just have to take your word on Michaelangelo (though he did take his sweet time. 4 years?). Yeah I don't think anyone argues that Lucas is an artistic genius in that respect. The argument is what an artists rights are and whether the patron has any say on what the artist does to it.
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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You know this to be true.
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A full reboot of the original trilogy would be more dignified* than the continuous digital triage to which Lucas subjects these films. *Not that I want a reboot.
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Well then you are definitely an idiot. You spent $400 on a stormtrooper costume?? HAHAHA. You got tattoos? That seals the deal. Some would call that bullshit posturing. I don't need to dress like a Star Wars character to woop on dressed up Darth Vader, Jango Fett, Stormtrooper, Bib Fortuna's ass in Star Wars trivia in a midnight line. Midnight line for each of the prequels? Check. TPM toy release? Check. Best Buy DVD midnight release for all the prequels and box set? Check. You tat it up and spend 2000 bucks to look like Boba Fett cause you need to. I don't need to. You've all knelt before Zod and you'll keep kneeling. Whip out the Trivial Pursuit son, I'll whoop on you from the safety of normal guy clothes which you sweat it out in a 500 dollar Mandalorian helmet.
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The fucked up thing is, I don't ask much. Just clean up the originals, get rid of the obvious special effects flaws, but seriously, don't add any bullshit we don't need. We don't need a Han/Jabba scene that just repeats everything we just heard in the scene before. We don't need Biggs and Luke. It doesn't work without the first scene. And seriously, the original death star battle was just fine. Stop adding shit! Just clean it up, put it on blu ray and release the fucking movie the way we all fucking fell in love with it and we'll shut up. He probably WILL end up releasing the Theatrical cuts in a few years, so fuck him. I'll pay for those and nothing else. The only thing that interests me is the bonus disc and deleted scenes and shit. Fuck the special editions and fuck the prequels.
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But if it happens, who would direct and what order would it be released in? OT then PQ? or 1-6? Jesus, that would take another 10 fuckin years. Unless you do it Peter Jackson style and film the 1st 3, then the OT 3
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Maybe the little changes being made to these Blu-Ray releases are rectifying all the annoying tweaks weve all been mentioning... SOMETIMES I WONDER IF IM OPTIMISTIC OR JUST DUMB!!
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While toughguyrizzo wastes his imagination on a reboot that will never happen I believe you have the right idea. I don't think you're crazy. I think tweaks and edits of the prequels would bail them out to some degree. The structure of the films are pretty sound really. There are just pacing issues and some of the acting suffers because of A) yes, bad acting but also B) just awkward editorial pacing. Christ, cut out that stupid fireplace scene between Anakin and Padme and Ep 2 improves 30 percent alone!
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Aug. 23, 2011, 7 p.m. CST
Meeting Harrison Ford. Check. Meeting Mark Hamil. Check. Meeting Carrie Fisher. Check. Meeting George Lucal. Check.
by ToughGuyRizzo
1st trooper out on Shattner's left. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDIBchVxSmE But you fail to understand that I WAS a fan. Lucas fucked it all up. So, this is all cause you call us idiots. How can you post on a fanboy site like this and question allegiance to SW? Of course your gonna get a pissing contest. We all have our hobbies, but at least I'm not shelling out 5K and building my own R2D2. Cause I know people who have them. So, you think you're a bigger fan?
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Aug. 23, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST
And I even own a "Lambda - Lambda - Lambda" shirt. Fuck yeah bro
by ToughGuyRizzo
Tri-Lam 4 life
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Aug. 23, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST
Met George Lucas. Check. Been to Lucas Ranch. Check. Met Mace Windu himself yesterday and geeked out over purple lightsabres last Tuesday. Check. Bringing up irrelevent shit? Check.
by EjkoUSC
If you think Lucas fucked it all up then you're not a true Star Wars fan. If you dont like the prequels then you dont like half the saga. If you dont like half the saga how can you call yourself a fan? If You dont like the other half of the sage you do like cause of superficial changes, then how are you a fan? And what does me calling some of you idiots have to do with my Star Wars allegiance? Should you just take whatever Lucas forces you? No. Prequels had massive problems but I can still appreciate them on a lot of levels. Nobody is making you like them but nobody is making you hate them either.
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1. To all of you who are complaining that "Lucas is just milking this franchise for money", I'd point out a couple of things: He only really released the OT one time on DVD (although he did a second release containing the unaltered OT as bonuses). The PT releases were also only released once on DVD. This marks the first release of all six movies on Blu-Ray. 1 or 1.5 releases on DVD and 1 Blu-Ray release. That's it. Compare that with titles like the Terminator movies, or - for a perfect example - Evil Dead II. How many versions of those have been released on DVD and/or Blu-Ray? Hell, even just on Blu-Ray, there have been LOTS of titles that have double-dipped. If he were re-releasing these on DVD, you might have something of an argument, but Blu-Ray is a new technology that these films have never been released on before. Complaining that Lucas is putting out umpteen releases just to fill his coffers is pretty crazy, 'cuz the truth is that the SW movies have been pretty sparingly released in the ditital era. <p> 2. To those who are saying that Lucas should just be releasing the original, unaltered versions of the films, I would ask - WHAT original versions? Should Episide IV be titled "A New Hope" or not? The simple truth is that what most people are calling the "original versions" is probably the first version that they watched on VHS repeatedly, which were already altered from the original versions. <p> 3. More to the point, nearly EVERY movie that gets cleaned up for a Blu-Ray re-release - ESPECIALLY fx heavy movies - are retouched and altered in slight ways in order to make them more presentable. If you're OK with that, but complain about the SEs, then what you're arguing is not that alterations are inherently bad, but rather that the degree to which he's chosen to alter the films is excessive. In that, I would agree with you, but the truth is that I don't think ANYONE wants a truly unaltered OT. And if they do, HE ALREADY PUT ONE OUT. The visuals on the unaltered OT DVDs aren't spectacular, but they DO beat the hell out of the VHS presentation. If you want something other than that, then what you mean is that you want a release of the OT that's altered in THE WAY YOU WANT IT. Not in an unaltered form. <p> OK. Rant over.
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Who cares if Lucas is milking the franchise for money. It's his job. His job is Star Wars. That's like bitching at a franchise owner of a McDonalds "You're just selling us burgers cause you want to make money. Sell out." FRANCHISE OWNER: "Oh right, I should be selling burgers for some deeper altruistic reason." Star Wars pays the bills. It will keep paying his bills and it coincides with his continuing desire to work on them artistically. It's win-win for him. Alright maybe not for the multitudes that disagree, but screw it. It's his job. His product. And you keep buying it. Correcto mundo about the early early changes. May 25, 1977 was just a business deadline forced upon him. The timed release of a movie is just a necesarry evil. Most artists who work in film have to forever abide by the ominous "release date" (peperetuated by the studio). Lucas is in the rare position of disregarding silly things like release dates and letting the piece continue to evolve as he see fit. I think he can exhibit whatever version of the film he wants. Now if you're taking a class on seventies cinema or the history of SFX I would say it's dead wrong to watch anything other than the 77 cut of the original.
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Really? I find them all good films. They are all visually exciting, and I really like the Vader tranformation in III. The Emperor, his rise to power, Darth Maul, Liam Neeson, Jango Fett, Yoda fighting... I know, all the cryout against Hayden as an actor, blah, blah, blah... Whatever. If you loved the original trilogy, please stop with the "George Lucas raped my childhood!" Crack out the VHS and watch them. LOL
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so many clones to feed. so little money for clone food.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST
The Lucas is polishing his work pass the point of perfection and into the realm of super perfection.
by Yelsaeb
I'm very glad. That Yoda puppet in Episode I always got on my nerves and, for once, the arrival of CG is a welcome event. I shall be buying the uber box set with the entire saga. Despite what supid jerky fanboys say, the original trilogy is only half the saga, and it doesn't deserve to be incomplete. It's not a secret that the prequels aren't the best movies on the planet, but Star Wars is Star Wars, and I love Star Wars. I could watch all of six of them over and over and over again and I'd never get bored.
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The Special Editions were an attempt to quiet the noble voices of the Ewok people. By removing they Yub Nub song from the end of Jedi,George Lucas has effectively robbed the Ewoks of a vital part of their native culture. Until this racist indignity is reversed,I shall buy no more DVD's that do not contain the original unaltered trilogy. Celebrate the love.
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EP 1: CGI Yoda. Fix Obi-Wan's goddamn wig. In half of his shots his hair is completely whack cause they were pickups during reshoots and it looks like a dead wolverine is on his head. Rotoscoping a new realistic haircut that matches his real hair in other half of shots is entirely doable and way better than the roadkill hair he has in half the shots. Fix the braid being on the wrong side of his head in the Tattooine shot. Paint out the cosmetic edges where Darth Maul's horns were glued on. Seriously. You can see the edges of the appliance plain as day its embarassing. Cut out any and every time Anakin says "yippee" or "Wizard". Any way to add more detail to Gungan/Droid land field fight? Them stupid pink balls look cartoony. Fight in general doesnt age well. Too ambitiouys at the time. More doable now. EP 2: Again Obi-Wan's hair. In half the shots he's got a Prince Valiant mullet and he's wearing a shitty glued on beard. It's so obvious. Rotoscope time bitches. Cut out shit fireplace scene but if there are no other takes I guess that's hard cause you gotta develop love story. EP 3: Add ghost Qui-Gon scene back in. It was scripted but never shot. Methinks Liam Neeson secretly shot this scene when he went up to do voice work for Clone Wars series so I think we're all good. Change Darth Vader's cheesy "Got Milk?" NOOOO line. Change it to a yell. EP 4: Punch up Obi-Wan/Vader fight. Add some flipping and shit come on. I know Obi-Wan is old but he's not as old as Dooku or Palpatine, about same age as Qui-Gon and they could fight still. This is supposed to be the REMATCH and it's lame. Add some more CGI inserts in space fight. Fix lightsabres. EP 5: Add more CGI shots into Battle of Hoth. Make it bigger. EP 6: Yes, replace Sebastian Shaw in death scene with Hayden. Imagine a fucking acting scene between two actors conducted almost 30 years apart? Sweet. Add some vicious CGI ewoks doing nasty shit so at least we can buy them some street cred. More CGI inserts into epic space battle. Make the battle more visible right behind Palkpatine's Throne Room window ala the observation window he sits in front of in EP 3.
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oh, so its still not the original movie I saw when I was younger? It has all the cool old school effects removed? Then there's no reason for me to buy it.
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in ROTJ. Anakin Skywalker ceased to become Anakin when he turned to the dark side and became Darth Vader so the image of Sebastian Shaw was an Anakin Skywalker that never existed. His ghost should be that of the "good Anakin." My one problem is the footage they put in looks too much like a screen test that they just tacked on. Hayden is not posing like he's in the scene.
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Like Lucas gives a flying fuck if you don't spend another penny on these sets. He's made plenty of money from you already, and hell most of you will be buying them anyway. Do your moms ever get tired of hearing you bitch about Lucas or the raping of your childhood when you start crying about it in your basement??
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Aug. 23, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST
If you want quality versions of the original theatrical versions...
by SubliminalJones
Don't settle for old laserdiscs or those POS "bonus" laserdisc to DVD ports from a few years ago. Go to newsgroups like a.b.starwars and take your choice of literally dozens of versions of the OT that have been cleaned up, restored, color corrected and anamorphically enhanced. I have beautiful double layer DVD versions of the original 77, 80, and 83 cuts that look fantastic on my 60 inch HD. These are the only Star Wars versions I will ever need.
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The same film had at least two more prominent digital characters. The only reason for doing Yoda as a puppet was because he was a returning character and they weren't sure they could get a digital performance that looked like the same character. Well, the puppet was so different that turned into a moot point. The Ep. II-III digital Yoda is a much better match for the original character than the Ep. I puppet. What would really grind people's gears would be if they had based digital Yoda on the Ep. 1 puppet design, or on original 1970s concept sketches for Yoda that made no compromises for puppet mechanics, and then replaced the OT Yoda with the digital Ep. 1 Yoda!
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I hope they remove the bizarre ".44 Magnum" gun report the 1997 version of Star Wars added to Leia's gun during the "skybridge" shootout.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST
Is anyone elses biggest gripe re: the specials is the replacement of Boba Fett's amazing and iconic voice that matched his amazing and iconic look?
by dacanesta
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Aug. 23, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST
If Han does not shoot forst and the Ghost shit aint corrected I aint buying em!
by SachMan
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Aug. 23, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST
the default idiot nerd rant = "no OT, then I'm not buying fuck you GL!"
by fat_rancor_keeper
Good, don't fucking buy it. Go sit in a corner and cry about the magical theatrical versions you'll never see. Maybe you're not getting them because you whine like a cunt about it online endlessly and don't deserve it. Or perhaps you can man the fuck up and deal with it............or hit up ot.com and find the billion fucking fan edits that have preserved the ot movies.
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Easily the most irrelevant controversy in the history of pop culture.
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You actually buy that lame ass reasoning for taking Shaw out of Jedi? If he ceased to be Anakin when he became Darth Vader then he ceased to be fucking Darth Vader right before he died right? I mean he's looking into his son's eyes and tells him that he basically saved his soul. No? What am I missing here? Shaw's body type is more fitting for the suit and obviously after years and years in the suit Anakin is going to age a-lot! It was very touching to see a young Luke see a father-like figure standing there smiling at him. Now it's a guy even younger than him giving him an "I want to sex you up" look or an "I'm still with the dark side" smile. It's just bullshit and there's no sense in defending that bullshit. They just put it in to tie the OT with the prequels. That is the ONLY reason. They had to come up with the lamest reasoning to do it and some of you actually buy it? Seriously?
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Ah yes, I forgot about that. What another brilliant idea. I'm guessing all the stormtroopers have been overdubbed with that same guys voice. That's one of the great new changes.
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Why? Sincerely, The Vast Majority
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I want Han to shoot first, but clean up the matte boxes" "CGI Yoda is an abomination, but Master George, please put in the Qui-Gon force ghost scene" "Jabba is pointless and evil in A New Hope, but damn Luke building his light saber should be inserted into Jedi
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3/4 of what I wrote isn't appearing. Probably for the best, I pretty much just said fuck a lot.
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I mean it's his creation, he can do what he wants and it's fine with me!
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Crikey! Throw another Cap'n Solo in the cahgo hold! Fosters-its Ewak fo' Beer!!! Outback Steakhouse!! Oh no...tha Sahlac has pierced me heart like a stingrays tail!! G'Day Mates!!!!
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Can't believe those of you complaining about the bitching as if it has no validity. You are the embarassment to humanity my friend.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 9:56 p.m. CST
The matte line in the upper left hand corner of the third X Wing from the right of Porkins has been smoothed over. Bravo, ILM! Now please burn every frame of every Prequel or else you won't get the money I'm secretly going to spend on the whole saga so
by EastBayFrankenstein
You "Fanboy" assholes need to all commit mass suicide!
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...why isn't Luke like "Who the hell is that ghost kid standing next to ghost Obi Wan and ghost Yoda???"
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I like everything I'm reading about these Blu-Rays (*especially* replacing Ep.1 puppet Yoda with digital Yoda). But there's some curious mentioned on hometheaterforum.com not mentioned here: when asked about the Holiday special, the journalist was told to "look for some Easter eggs!" what can that mean? My guess is that the animated part with Boba Fett might be included as an Easter egg--I vaguely recall reading Lucas admitting that he didn't totally hate that part and was mulling releasing it someday. We'll see. Looking forward to seeing some of the new corrections and changes.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST
How about replacing Yoda in TESB with the CGI Yoda from the Prequels? If y'all are so concerned with "continuity", why is it OK for Yoda to suddenly become a virtually immobile puppet just 20 years after spinning around like Sonic the Hedgehog?
by EastBayFrankenstein
Just sayin'.
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And I have to say, seeing Star Wars back then was truly a mind blowing experience that continued with ESB. But, by the time Jedi came out I was a little older and walked out half way through it, not buying into the ca-ca Ewok romper room crap...and later to discover that the ending had Darth Vader smiling side by side with Obi Wan? Blech. The jig was up, way back then. It continues to this day. At this point I feel very fortunate to have experienced and been a part of the original Star Wars phenomenon, it was very short lived.
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I'm pretty sure ROTJ had established that Yoda was nearing the end of his life. in the prequels, it's evident that Yoda was already getting up there, as he was only able to jump around using the Force, bit needed a cane when walking normally.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST
Thehumanbeingandfish: So, for Yoda, the difference between 880 years old and 900 years old (ROTS to TESB) is, like, 18 to 94 in humans? What happened to Yoda in those 20 years? Space cancer?!
by EastBayFrankenstein
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I agree about the age thing. Its like Yoday from PT to OT should be like a human from 87 to 90. Those 3 years really make a difference? And I wouldn't mind them adding in CGI Yoda to OT for continuity. Having said that the puppet work does hold up better than any other puppet work in OT (and better than Ep I Yoda). I could see GL making some digital embellishments over the original puppet performance like articulated lips or moving eyes or something. Best of both worlds. That would probably give it a look far surpassing the CGI Yoda in the prequels which I already thought was pretty damn good. Why some dorks bitch about CGI Yoda I'll never know. See, Lucas realizes something most fanboys dont, which is there are more viewers ahead than there are behind (or even currently). This saga has to hold up 100 years from now. He's making these movies for them. Not some disco freak who stood in line in 1977 and is now some balding unemployed former insurance salesman with no children. It's for all the future balding unemployed former insurance salesmen and their kids. And their kids. And their kids. Especially in the case of FX heavy "sci-fi" (hesitate to call it sci fi technically) these changes will help ensure their longevity rather than relegating them to some minute relic of the 70's and 80's. Star Wars should be bigger than that and last longer. Aesthetic matters.
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Straw man. Where and how did I imply that prequel Yoda was like an 18-year old human being? I *explicitly* stated quite the opposite.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST
So all those little "errors" we've come to love to spot are now gone? How thoughtful :-(
by pavel hora
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Aug. 23, 2011, 10:43 p.m. CST
I saw Empire 10 times in the theater when I was 12, so I'm not without empathy
by proevad
...but how many times can you guys BUY and watch the same fucking movies over and over and over? It's beyond sad, and actually kind of creepy.
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Sharp eye dude. Good on you. Need more people to spot that shit on here.
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and Jedi is borderline. Seek help.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 10:55 p.m. CST
Humanbeingandfish: I never said that you compared OT Yoda to an 18 year old. I was drawing an analogy between human life spans and Yoda's SUPER long life span. he shouldn't get so decrepit in the span of just 20 years (especially if he has already live
by EastBayFrankenstein
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Aug. 23, 2011, 10:57 p.m. CST
Again those of you who are fucking idiots about han shooting first !!! He didn't....
by corplhicks
he is the only one who shot period. Greedo never shot. make it like it should be and stop with the han shot first shit.
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Aug. 23, 2011, 11:01 p.m. CST
How does an Ewok know how to hit the accelerator on a speeder bike, but fail to recognize what a "hat" is? Especially when ALL the fuck in' Ewoks are WEARING them!!!
by EastBayFrankenstein
Man. A LOT of ROTJ really sucks!
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Aug. 23, 2011, 11:14 p.m. CST
BTW...ejkousc is the most articulate mutha fucka on this thread! I should know, cuz I'm fuckin' BRILLIANT!
by EastBayFrankenstein
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Aug. 23, 2011, 11:17 p.m. CST
Any Tber on this stupid website could have written a better screenplay for each one of those prequels. Even EastbayFrankenstein.
by AzulTool
Actually, he's a great writer. His prequel scripts would have kicked ass.
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But I wouldnt trust 99 percent of the typical Star Wars tool fans to write a prequel. If they had their way the whole movie would have revolved around an army of Darth Maul Clones fighting an Army of Boba Fett Clones and anakin would have become Vader 5 minutes in.
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Fair enough. But since Yoda is already elderly in the PT, as evidenced by him walling with a cane, you're better able to compare him from a mostly healthy 91- year old in the PT to a much more decrepit 94-year old in the OT (91/94 = 880/900 , rounded) ... Or to a mostly healthy and fairly active 14.5 year old cat to dying 15-year old cat. Except that Yoda supported his fighting style using the Force, something my late grandmother and cat were unable to. As for the ewoks, I thought that ewok was just random butt
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Aug. 23, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST
You re-read my earlier shit above East Bay? I only try to make sense in a senseless fandom.
by EjkoUSC
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this shitty site. Anyway, to finish my thought: I just assumed that repo was hitting random buttone on that speeder bike and "accidentally" hit the right one ... never thought about the bay thong but you're right--trying to come up with a half-assed explanation, it might be that he was afraid of the metal in it (perhaps so far he's only seen imperial troops wear metal), but that explanation doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
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originals or nothing.
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...I now concede. But I'm not giving up my cassette tapes, so fuck off.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:03 a.m. CST
OK, I'm going to sleep, so I leave you with the immortal words of Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"...of course, that was after he became a millionaire following a thorough ass-kicking at the hands of a bunch of racist pigs. There's a connectio
by EastBayFrankenstein
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I noticed that too. Also love how in Ep 2 Dooku essentially tells the TRUTH and spills the beans on the entire fucking conspiracy plot of the prequels that a Sith lord controls the senate and the Jedi are like "meh". Sure enough 3 years later: absolutely told the truth. Sith lord controls the senate. The Jedi were so badly written in the prequels. Just a bunch of dumb lazy bastards. You can spoonfeed them the entire sinister plot and they would ignore it. What kind of intel is that? At least follow the lead man.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:05 a.m. CST
There's a connection in there somewhere for my fellow Star Wars fans.
by EastBayFrankenstein
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...would be if they put out the originals. The real originals. The only discs of these films I have are the bootleg ones off the old laserdiscs. I have still never seen the previous "special" reworking and will neve rpay money for anything but the true originals. I don't WANT "fixes"... I want the real movies I enjoyed in theaters and growing up. Lucas, the film preservation/restoration advocate and ultimate fucking hypocrite. It's just sad what he's done, keeping those classics of film history out of the public's hands. And NO, the ones included as "extras" in the DVD release a while back do not count... he messed with the color balance, resolution, and all kinds of nonsense. And yes they have edits of a few frames of "Violence" as well. It's pathetic what he's done to these things.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:19 a.m. CST
And FINALLY....Azultool: That post up there, "World's Fattest Bitch"- Awesome. The Star Wars equivalent of "(insert reviled celebrity) is a gay retard!"
by EastBayFrankenstein
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Did you really just say "Well done!" for them fixing a problem THAT THEY INTRODUCED in the previous garbage release of these films on DVD? You're earnestly congratulating them for fixing something that wasn't broke till they monkeyed with it for no good reason? Argh, I thought this site was run by movie fans who were supposed to care deeply about all this stuff, and understand what the fuck they were talking about.
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No, Han shot first in the original AHN. In the special edition Greedo shoots the wall, then Han shoots him. So Han did shoot first. The only thing Greedo shot first was the wall. Years before he also wrestled young Heineken Skywalker, probably one of the first to do so. "And they blow you up, booom!" -Young Darth Vader
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:39 a.m. CST
They should edit the Imperial March into Episode 4. The theme is used in the movie before and the movie after.
by Tristan
I thought it was in Ep. 4 for years. Then,revisiting it, I realised there's just this sting when Vader first appears. Like a 'duh-DUH!!'
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You're gonna to out and buy the thing the first day, just like I am. The picture quality will be amazing, the sound amazing and all the little fan boy errors found over the years will hopefully be fixed. Other than that, it will be a lot of extra grainy poorly realized deleted scenes that are fun to look at very 4 or 5 times and that's it; otherwise it's gonna be 99.9% exactly the same as all the other versions. what will be even BETTER is when he releases the ultimate definitive final director's edit Super-Special Edition in Blu Ray 3D in about 2 years.
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A lot of hard-core types are pissed that George changed so much in the special editions. They think of themselves as purists who only want the original theatrical version. But wait, we want those theatrical versions in blu ray, completely upgraded and 7.1 surround and clean up all the 70's/80's artifacts and so on and so on. In other words, we want them edited, but only the way we want. If you have the originals that came as bonus discs on the DVD, you have the purist version (for disc). Any cleaned up blu ray would not be "original". I would love a fully restored original cut too, but it's not going to happen. Personally, I'd like the original versions totally restored, upgraded and have an extended edition with all the deleted scenes of Luke in his desert hat and binocs, and Biggs, and Luke making his saber and ALL of that we've seen over the years. That's not going to happen either. Ah well, I'm still going to go apeshit over the blu ray in a few weeks. And my 2 year old will be indoctrinated soon.
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The Force.net had this up under the extras for EP III. ◦Deleted/Extended Scene: Kashyyyk Attack and Order 66 Animatic / Anakin Kills Shaak Ti / Jedi Imposters at the Temple / Senate Duel Animatic / Yoda Communes with Qui-Gon, that was here http://www.theforce.net/topstory/story/Here_Are_All_The_SW_Bluray_Special_Features_140120.asp
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First of all, the guy didn't know The Phantom Menace was shot on film, which is pretty disturbing. Second, no mention of Greedo. How can you not mention Greedo? That scene is easily the most butchered scene in the entire trilogy. Why not mention whether or not it's still a horrible embarrassment. I don't even care if Greedo shoots first (I mean, I do, but that isn't changing). I just don't want it to look so fucked up.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2:49 a.m. CST
obviously the Greedo scene remains the same
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
because George Lucas wants to rape your childhood one more time.
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Han's sudden movement looks fake the absurd point blank miss, etc... han killed him. if someone is pointing a gun at you , shoot them first, that is the way it was.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 3:06 a.m. CST
Great Idea for George Lucas: Anakin was NOT seduced by the Dark Side of the force...
by Emperor
...Instead, he was TRICKED by the dark side of the force, because he is a retarded mongoloid who'd rather kill everybody in the jedi tempel and even the entire senate, ad infinitum, because, you see, you have to kill people and get very angry and "dark", if you want to save poor Padme's life. Hey, I didn't make this up, this was George Lucas' ingenious plot device. Hey asshole, stop feeding us this pig shit! Oh wait, nevermind. The solution is simple: just change Alec Guiness' dialog from "seduced" to "tricked" and then add that Anakin wasn't the brightest light on the christmas tree, despite having a high midichlorian count...and... Shit. Nevermind. Nope. Star Wars really cannot be saved. Nothing makes sense now. Fuck you, George Lucas.
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...any chance of re-replacing it with the original foreboding voice? The New Zealand replacement of Temura Morrison takes away all menace for me. Why can't we just assume that Boba Fett travelled the galaxy for a while, staying here, staying there, and thus absorbing local accents to become the voice that the original ESB depicted?!
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...any chance of re-replacing it with the original foreboding voice? The New Zealand replacement of Temura Morrison takes away all menace for me. Why can't we just assume that Boba Fett travelled the galaxy for a while, staying here, staying there, and thus absorbing local accents to become the voice that the original ESB depicted?!
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Aug. 24, 2011, 3:36 a.m. CST
Just watched the Clones Wars Season 4 trailer on IGN. The prequels pale in comparison.
by ganymede3010
I'm sorry but I'm not rushing out to buy these blu-rays. The Old Republic MMO will supply my needed Starwars fix for years to come.
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Seriously, you all sound like a bunch of bleeding pussies on the rag, constantly !!!! if you hate SW so much, remove it from your life and move on. Otherwise, STFU and admit you like it and can't wait to be first in line to buy the discs. TRU
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Will they re-introduce "Lapti Nek" instead of that stupid fucking "Jedi Rocks" thing? "Jedi Rocks" singularly takes me right out of the Star Wars universe every time I hear it. Why, oh why, did Lucas feel it was necessary to remove a weird alien-sounding song and replace it with an awful contemporary-sounding pop song? It's like replacing the Cantina Band sequence with an R'n'B number. And finally, the old "chub chub" Ewok song at the end of "Return of the Jedi" used to have a fantastic, beautiful segue into the "Star Wars" theme fanfare at the end..... but they got rid of it and replaced it with a generic orchestral piece on the later versions..... Again.... WHY?!!!
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:02 a.m. CST
Without a doubt, the BEST 'Special Edition' version is Adywan's STAR WARS:REVISITED. Read on for details...
by Cervantes
He's currently working on EMPIRE STRIKES BACK:REVISITED, and this is going to be an equally amazing follow-up to his STAR WARS:REVISITED edit. He's re-doing his own enhanced version of ALL 6 movies eventually, and fixing/adjusting many of the glaring flaws and annoying 'creative choices' that were seen (and heard) in the 'Special Edition' DVD releases! And some of his own carefully thought out SFX additions are remarkable. And yes, Han is the ONLY one that shoots in his version, once again, thankfully. The immenent Blu-rays may have some improvements compared to the original DVD release, but they will still be badly flawed in certain ways most likely. Search around online for how to get a hold of Adywan's edits, and prepare to be blown away at how good his particular versions look and sound. Here's his trailer for the STAR WARS:REVISITED edit - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NDEALsiYVE and here's his trailer for the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK:REVISITED edit which is taking a little longer, and will now be out by May of 2011 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPtwBQpDl08 He's got big plans for JEDI:REVISITED and the PREQUELS:REVISITED eventually, and has managed to revive the old magic back for me, where these movies are concerned. Oh, and his 'color correction' blows the 'tinted' look of the DVD releases away too, by the way. The STAR WARS saga is in good hands with Adywan, where 'Special Editions' are concerned.
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No Sale!
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Aug. 24, 2011, 6:11 a.m. CST
Aaah the beauty of the SW prequels,joyful movies made for kids to sell toys,
by KilliK
where its gallant,wooden hero after 2 movies and 2 acts,suddenly decides in the 3rd act to start chopping the heads of little innocent children in order to save his beloved,pregnant wife from a threat that he doesnt even know what it is and when it will occur,a wife which he then chocks for no reason. George Lucas.a modern Aeschylus of the space tragedy.worship him.and buy his new blu-ray format movies.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 6:28 a.m. CST
I wish for all us of the be as good as George Lucas
by All Filmmakers Wanna Be
People are crying about the original version in blu ray of an image they have seen in the 70s. It never will as per definition the movie will be remastered to fit the Blu ray quality. There always will be a before Mr Lucas and after. If he feels that it needs to change, he may do it and the best thing is, that all the previous version of the saga can be found in many previously released formats. Thanks to Mr Lucas we are able to make movies on our computer. Thanks to him, we have THX, ILM and Skywalker Studios which provide us the best of the best. Thanks to ILM we have Weta Workshop. No other franchise in the history of films is equal to Star Wars and it all came from the brain of this man. Star Wars is an experience which allow a grand father/mother to experience it with his grand children as he/she did with his/her children in the 70s at the movie theater. No other Saga ever did that. The 3D version of the saga will also be bit different of the blu ray version. We all go see Star Wars for the emotion of our childhood and to see the best technology to date.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 6:38 a.m. CST
Typo alert. Adywan's ESB:REVISITED is out on May 2012, not 2011. Great project details at http://swrevisited.wordpress.com/
by Cervantes
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All of the complainers make me laugh. It's the same old lousy tune for nearly 15 years and it gets worse everytime. CHANGE IT! Move on, stop talking about it and get a life. The Prequels are fine and you suck, how's that? Why would puppet Yoda in ESB be changed to Digital Yoda? He was only changed in TPM because the puppet looked like crap; stiff and unconvincing. Can't wait for the blus! The friends and I will be watching it on a brand new projector.... It's awesome not to be bitter and have 6 Star Wars films to dig.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 6:40 a.m. CST
Aaah the beauty of the SW prequels,joyful movies made for kids to sell toys,
by ZodNotGod
Ah yes, selective memories are fun....not really. The originals sold toys too, MORON! So did LOrd of the Rings, Harry Potter, Planet of the Apes, Star Trek....duh.
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You're 12.
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You're 12.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 6:51 a.m. CST
Maybe I'm just cynical in my old age Star Wars fandom...
by Jonathan Hicks
...but I can't look at any of these super-release-special-limited-edition-with-never-before-seen-stuff anymore without first thinking 'Oh, just fuck off, Star Wars'. And then thinking, 'Can I afford that?'
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I really really want the extra material you get if you buy the 3 real + the 3 cartoon remakes together, but I'll go back to piracy for that. Hear that George? You got me back to stealing shit on the web.
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Bring it on, I love the updates, most of them anyway, the Han/Greedo thing is an annoyance at best. The rest are great, espeically the end of JEDI with the song. I can not understand, (I guess I can, just don't want to) why a mere 10 minutes or so of new additions/footage to the three films causes such an unnecessary uproar? I don't get that. I guess it helps that I have a life. Why the cheap shots? Name Calling? Enjoy the blus, get on with life...go get laid.
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You wish. Even if I was, I wouldn't date you.
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I bought the DVD release that had the original theatrical versions - warts and all. That's the version I've shown my daughter. No other version exists. If it wasn't for Speilberg, just imagine what would be happening to the Indy trilogy right now. Lucas = cunt.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST
dvaderrip: yes, those OT laserdisc masters are the best we'll ever get.
by justmyluck
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Aug. 24, 2011, 7:22 a.m. CST
People who point out the innacuracy of "Han shot first"
by fat_rancor_keeper
lol they amuse me. They think it's some bold new discovery ONLY they have figured out and just can't wait to sarcastically tell the world. *he is the only one who shot period. Greedo never shot. make it like it should be and stop with the han shot first shit.* ^^ LMAO!!!!!! The next thing you are going to tell me that Eric Stoltz shot scenes for BTTF but was actually replaced by Michael J Fox! Good work Columbo!!!!!!!!!!!!
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what does one do when one wants the nostalgia of the original versions, but also wants to experience that nostalgia in quality video? What an unreasonable expectation, to be able to BOTH watch something you want to watch, AND watch it in HD resolution. Crazy idea, everyone knows you only get one or the other, good movie, OR good video quality. You're dumb.
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The originals sold toys too, MORON!
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random as in: sometimes you get all your text, sometimes not.
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I hope Lucas decided to fix the score behind the enhanced version explosion of the Death Star. The original explosion was quick and allowed you to hear the beautiful John Williams score behind it. In the enhanced versions sound of the pulse wave that emits from the exploding Death Star obscures the score with its "woosh". This has always bothered me and I hope that was fixed as well. -- end of line
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My sympathies goes to the SW fans who have yet to receive their long awaited original version of the SW movies in a home video format. But as for me, i just can't care. Frankly, my dears, i don't give much of a damn. Really, thank goodness i'm not a Star Wars fanboy. Sometimes it's so good not to be one.
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I could be wrong, but I think much of the blame can be placed on Ben Burtt. If he had his way (at least from watching the behind the scenes docs on the prequel dvds), he'd like to do away with John Williams' music, and drown it out with space ships, light sabers, and farting mules.
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Over that new age Yanni crap.
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Take out all sound in the space scenes, and let the score music do the talking. Remove the score form the talk and most of the action stuff. Restrain it more to the opening and closing credits, or where to replace sound effects in space. Less kiddie humour with the robots. Linger on the implications that Vader and cronnies just blew up an entire planet. Return to the desert look of Tatoinne from the original movie version and stop presenting it as if it's a busy port of call, like in the CGI enhanced version. Make the who0le adventure look more dangerous then just the happy little adventure as presented in the movie. As on, a bit more like in the first hlaf of the movie. Make the stromtroopers look like they are a real threat and not just some nobs who can't shoot straight and hit targets less then 5 metters away. Basically let the stromtroopers look like the efficient killers they are at the very begining of the movie. Darth Vader is not Luke's father. Anakin and Vader are different people. And just for the hell of it, let the Empire win. Make it a real 1970s movie, where the evil and the currupt won over the pure and good. Star Wars by way of The Paralax View. Yeah! And as a twist, in the end we learn that it was Han Solo who spilled the beans on where the Revels where, double crossing Luke and Leia so he could get an handsome reward and a pardon. And then Vader kills him for his trouble and sends Chewbacca to work as a slave to the Empire's worst mines for the rest of his short life. Yoda dies of old age in the swamp planet, forgotten by everybody. Obi-Wan as a ghost is forced to witness the rise and sucess of the empire while he can't do nothing to change things. And he will never be able to communicate with anybody alive forever. And as tiem passes by, his lifeforce fades away until he fades into complete oblivion. Yeah!
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Amirite?
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I'm not a big fan of the Greedo thing, or the tail-stepping, but neither of those things is going to ruin the movies for me. I never liked the Ewoks, even as a kid. No one is raping my childhood. I like the improved effects, and that some of them are left alone. Part old, part new. I think the prequels would be mostly fine except for JarJar's excess and the romance dialog. All three have some really strong elements, especially Sith. I ordered the box set, and I'm excited as hell for it.
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I hate the goofball new age Disney crap they spliced in there. The Yub Yub song feels like it belongs at the space teddy-bear picnic, the Yanni crap sounds like it arrived from a universe where all the kids are on prozac.
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It is frankly amazing. Harry should seriously put up an article about it. It's not just some cheap fan edit/recut. This guy actually made professional effects shots for it and does it RIGHT. ONE PERSON in two years did what Lucas hasn't managed to get right in, what, ten?
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Please note the Ewokian phrase that rhymes with "Peachy keen". -- Ewok Version Yub nub eee chop yub nub ah toe meet toe pee-chee keene g'noop dock fling oh ah Yah wah eee chop yah wah ah toe meet toe pee-chee keene g'noop dock fling oh ah Coatee chah tu yub nub coatee chah tu yahwah coatee chah tu glowah allay loo ta nuv Glowah eee chop glowah ya glowah pee chu nee foam ah toot dee awe goon daa Coatee cha tu goo (Yub nub!) coatee cha tu doo (Yahwah!) coatee cha tu too (Ya chaa!) allay loo ta nuv allay loo ta nuv allay loo ta nuv Glowah eee chop glowah ya glowah pee chu nee foam ah toot dee awe goon daa Allay loo ta nuv -- English Version Freedom we got freedom and now that we can be free come on and celebrate Power we got power and now that we can be free it's time to celebrate Celebrate the freedom celebrate the power celebrate the glory celebrate the love Power we got power and now that we can be free it's time to celebrate Celebrate the light (freedom!) celebrate the night (power!) celebrate the fight (glory!) celebrate the love celebrate the love celebrate the love Glory we found glory the power showed us the light and now we all live free Celebrate the love
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Aug. 24, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST
neonfrisbee, i'd say ONE prequel sucked, and that's THE PHANTOM MENACE
by AsimovLives
And it's actually an alright movie (if extreemly derivative) as long Jar Jar Abrams, i mean, Jar Jar Binks is not around. Whenever that pest is off, the movie becames alright. Unfortunatly, the pest is everywhere in that movie.
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When you say it was it was Han Solo who spilled the beans on where the Revels where, do you mean the assorted chocolate covered sweets? Why was the Empire searching for those? Surely with their advanced technology, Vader could have replicated any chocolate coated snack he wanted in seconds???? Sorry mate, but you're just not making sense.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST
REVENGE OF THE SITH as the best acting moment from the whole SW saga, thanks to Ian McDiarmid
by AsimovLives
He spends the entite movie marvely chewing the scenery with great theatrical gusto, as if he's playing a vilalin from a Shakespeare play. And then there's his best acting moment, in the Opera House scene, which tops it all. One can see that he really enjoyed his moments making the prequel movies, and specially REVENGE OF THE SITH, where he also had the oportunity to kick ass. Everytime i rewatch that movie, is mostly to enjoy his performance, it's tonnes of fun seeing him in the movie.
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If only they were not point blank range across each other at a table, George could have gotten away with it. I don't see the big deal in the idea, but the execution of this change is abysmal. Greedo's gun is pointed and fired directly at Han, but the shot goes totally off to the right, Han does a weird CG head quirk and fires in record response time. Hopefully the rumors are true and it just goes back to the way it was.
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Shut up! Now you all are complaining for the sake of it. Get over it. Live life to the fullest.
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See! Now you get it. WAy to go. Enjoy your blu-rays.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST
killik, you had hopes that Anakin would turn out alright in the end? Really?
by AsimovLives
Jesus, even the second movie we get glimpses that Anakin has a pretty intense dark side to him and makes him do questionable things. You think that "hero" would turn out alright? Yoyu never knew that "hero" would became Darth Vader? Yes, the rpequels are the fall of a hero. And yes, it is very Aeschilus. Since that guy is the sourse of greek tragedy that has inspired and influences all the stories of the tragedies of people who fall due to their hubris and became villains, all the way to Macbeth and Scarface. If you ahve a problem with that type of narrative style, that's your problem. If you think that Lucas handled it clumsily, that's another matter.
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The opera house scene is magnificent. It's funny, Hayden's best scene is where is he looking out over Coruscant and decides whether or not to intervene between Windu and Palpatine. Very reminiscent of the Tatooine scene with Luke.
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Are you an autist who can't understand that revels is a typo of the word rebels, or are you just being a smart-ass for show?
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I doubt those people, who scream it seriously really understand how ridicilous they sound. But then again, Star Wars was never my bible.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:33 a.m. CST
borisdoris, Luscas certainly started as an artist and a film fan. Only an artist and film fan would make a movie like THX 1138. Or AMERICAN GRAFFITTI, for that matter.
by AsimovLives
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so we can hear all the same ones who cried when it was announced, and again when the specs were announced, and again now about the originals not being on these discs. They are not on here, they've said from very early on that they wouldn't be on here. Get over it. But again, when this thing gets released, we'll see hundreds of posts like, "WTF, the original versions aren't on here?!" "How can they expect people to buy this POS when they don't include the theatrical versions?"
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The opera house scene is a high point.. but like everything in the PT there is a low point soon to follow, namely... McDiarmid screaming away like the Wicked Witch of The West as he gets electro-shocked, and then the reveal of his atrocious full head make-up. Aw fuck! Now we know why they made him keep the hood up for the other movies.
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Anakin's fall is marked with dramatic irony. His fears about Padme are foolish to those of us not riddled with fear, but even Yoda told the kid he was full of fear. Anakin wanted the ability to keep her safe, yet he was the one who put her in danger. Irony. Why is it so hard to understand that he choked her, have you EVER dealt with a female in any capacity?
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST
Really, fuck it, fuck it all. As i said before, i'm glad i'm not a SW fanboy.
by AsimovLives
With so many things wrong in today's cinema, not being a SW fanboy comes as a blessing. One less thing to be worried and preocupated about. One less thing to fire my ire. It's so great to not have a major hang-up against the SW prequels other then "THE PHANTOM MENACE could had been better without the fucking Jar Jar Abrams, i mean, the JJ Binks". One less worry, one less fuzz, one less irritation, no childhood raped. Isn't it nice?
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chronicallydepressedlemming, my hope as I stated earlier is that some of the bobble heads at LucasArts are aware of STAR WARS REVISITED. I mean they nod and say yes a lot, but they're still normal people right? They have access to the internet? There are plenty of sites that list all the micro-changes made in SW: REVISITED. It's not secret knowledge, Adywan has shared everything he's done. It would be so easy for the Blu Ray to incorporate a whole bunch of those fixes and when I read the article above about Specialer Editions - that was my immediate thought and hope. Fingers crossed this release will be closer to SW: REVISITED and further than the botched 2004 DVD release.
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Asi, your ass has clearly been raped so many times by JJ Abrams and Michael Bay that I don't think it would be tight enough for little-dick Lucas to enjoy. In future if you see a JJ Abrams movie is showing somewhere then STAY AWAY!
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Dude, are you kidding? Palpatine screaming like a wicket witch is awesome! It's top quality scenery chewing mega-acting from a very game and amused Ian McDiarmid! How can you not enjoy such mega-acting from an top trained theatrical actor who is really relishing playing the role with all that gusto? It's contagius and intoxicating. I wouldn't change anything about Ian McDiarmid performance in REVENGE OF THE SITH. It's RETURN OF THE JEDI on acid! It's RETURN OF THE JEDI unchained! It's the best parts of the Emperor in ROTJ spreaded out through a whole movie. It's sweet! I'm not a big fan of mega-acting, but sometimes it's the best it can be the best thing about a movie, specially if the actor is having the time of his life. That's Ian McDiarmid in THE REVENGE OF THE SITH, through and through. The dude is entertaiment personified.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST
zodnotgod, you think that Lucas based the chocking of Padme on his dealings and the frustrations of his divorce?
by AsimovLives
That's like, hidden dephts to be found in the prequels. Maybe there's more personal stuff in the prequels then most SW fanboys would care to guess. Maybe the SW prequels are personal artistic statements after all.
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I have no clue. She would have deserved it.
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... NOT being a sucker and buying a Star Wars release. I'm officially over Star Wars.
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I just think that, with the exception of your clever statements in the Conan thread about Rambo II and III, the quality of your rants er... I mean critiques has been steadily falling for some time. It feels like a rollercoaster ride with far more downs than ups - every cogent and intelligent point is instantly hidden in a flood of ill-researched subjective drivel. Half the time I genuinely don't know if it's even English. All I'm asking you for mate, is a little quality control with your polemics. I feel like a guy who's dog has eaten his wedding ring, and now has to filter through endless piles of shit in a desperate search for that longed-for glint of treasure. Make sense?
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Aug. 24, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST
If Lucas would just give fans the opportunity to have the originals as well, he could make all the fucking changes he wants, and most fans would support him
by Stegman84
The hubris and arrogance of trying to replace those original versions of the films 'whether you like it or not!' is what pisses everybody off. Honestly, I don't expect Lucas to change his mind though, he's more money making machine now than man, twisted and evil. Best hope we have is to outlive the fucker, and wait until the Lucas Estate releases the originals back into the public realm, likely with much fanfare to boot. As for the special editions, if Lucas would restore Han shooting first in ANH, stop Luke screaming like a bitch after *choosing* to step off the platform into oblivion in ESB, and dump the stupid Hayden ghost at the end of RotJ, I could live with everything else...even the horrid muppet dance number in RotJ, Han's PC line change as he saves Lando (again in RotJ), and the truly pointless Jabba Hanger scene in ANH. Oh, and if you have to keep making changes then give the fucking Wookie a damn medal already.
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You're saying what we're all thinking dude. Keep that shit up.
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THAT IS ALL
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Change him to a damn transparent Hologram projected by a small flying droid. That way when Han has to move around him he can just pass right through the tail and disrupt the hologram momentarily. There was no reason for Jabba to even make a personal appearance at the point in the story IMO so it fixes that and restores his actual physical on camera reveal to Return of the Jedi where it belongs.
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Face it dude Star Wars in my own opion is the best movie triology ever period! I was not a huge fan of the prequels but I dont louth them like some people, I do however would like to see the ones I grew up with untouched! Is that a crime!
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST
menacingphantom-I never knew Yub Nub was an Ewok political anthem
by Samuel Fulmer
I'd say it puts to shame anything done during the 60's protest movement or even more recent stuff like Rage Against the Machine.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST
Come on we all know what one of the biggest problems of the prequels
by Samuel Fulmer
is: Aliens talk in broken english that can easily be taken as racist stereotypes. Thank the maker Chewie didn't talk like an Italian plumber.
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Take it back out. It's dumb and adds nothing to the film.
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You know to the pseudo Clint Eastwood robotic voice, not the one that sounds like the announcer for Outback steakhouse or Paul Hogan.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST
I hope Jedi Rocks in ROTJ has either been changed or taken out
by Samuel Fulmer
The effects that have aged the worst, and that's the garbage CGI added to the special editions. I mean, you see better computer effects in the first version of Virtua Fighter released for the Sega Saturn then you do in Jedi Rocks.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST
toshiro-solo: "To those who are saying that Lucas should just be releasing the original, unaltered versions of the films, I would ask - WHAT original versions?"
by Billy_D_Williams
Uh, the ones originally released on VHS ya dumb fuck. Aside from renaming Ep.4 A New Hope, NOTHING about those movies changed from theatrical to VHS release...they were the same fucking versions.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST
Completely agree with AsimovLives on Ian McDiarmid's performance as Palpatine
by Stabby
The ONLY thing the Prequels got right. Very German Expressionism. Reminded me of the classic monster performances from Lugosi, Lon Chaney and Karloff which themselves were derived from German Expressionist cinema.
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the bonus original OT versions on the dvd set are not even ANAMORPHIC which is the standard method for releasing dvds...they are pure laserdisc ports...meaning if you have a widescreen TV, which almost EVERYONE has these days, you LOSE PICTURE QUALITY when the image is adjusted for anamorphic viewing on the widescreen set...the anamorphic gives you the extra resolution to fill out the widescreen image size...no anamorphic reduces the quality when the image is filled out. if they were at least given the same treatment as the anamorphic versions on the dvd, people would stop complaining...everyone is so angry because the most basic requirement for a dvd isn't even being met. So please stop calling us babies, whiners, etc, What is so crazy about that request? It's like going to McDonald's to get a Big Mac and they give you a burger half the size...when you complain, someone says "hey, you got a burger didn't you??? Stop whining!"
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I could be wrong, but he seemed like one of the few actors that kind of looked like he knew what he was doing in the prequels. I have a feeling he either brought enough to the table that Lucas didn't have to direct him much (since afterall he did play the character before), or Lucas actually took the time to kind of go into the character with him. Ewan Mcgregor doesn't come off too bad either (which like McDiarmid had a past performace to draw on, his being Alec Guinness' ). Palpatine and Obi-Wan are the only characters that actually don't come off as one note in the prequels. It's all the other actors were playing cardboard cutouts, and these two weren't, and in the end this another huge fault of the prequels, it's being played as high drama/tragedy, but the main character (annakin) is played by an actor who gives a terrible performance. It was either bad directing, a better actor was needed in the part, or both.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST
Bitch Lucas should be thrown in prison just for changing the Max Rebo Band song.
by AzulTool
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stop Luke screaming like a bitch after *choosing* to step off the platform into oblivion in ESB. THIS DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. THIS WAS NOT ON THE 2004 RELEASES. WAY TO GO, GOOD TO SEE YOUR WELL-INFORMED.
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That's a dumb comparison because at least with McDonalds there is a chance that you will get what you want. It's not exactly a Snowballs chance in Hell... Lucas will do what he wants. Complaining and acting indignant with nothing to back it up is futile. It's like chasing after that girl in school who told you to piss off in every single way possible yet you to continue to hold out hope for the impossible. Won't happen. Because at the end of the day, fanboys are spineless crybabies; you will purchase the blu-rays, you will watch them and you will continue to complain about them. You are here....nuff said.
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He owns the films, he can do whatever, but it doesn't mean film history has to look at his directing efforts and post release self mutillation of said efforts kindly. As a guy who pushed technology he gets high marks, but as an actual director, he was okay for a very brief time, and once he came back he proved he should've stayed in the producer's chair.
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in this edition the death star shoots first at the rebel base and then and only then do the rebels counter attack. God what a fucking douche bag piece of shit George Lucas is. No matter what words they chisel on his headstone when he dies over time they will slowly morph into the phrase, "Here lies a Worthless Fucking Douche Bag".
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wanting the ot theatricals is fine....it's very reasonable. But the way in which most fans go about it is mentally retarded. By that I mean... - Hopping onto amazon, creating multiple accounts, rating the blu ray set 1 star and tearing it apart over and over again. That is idiotic beyond belief. This has been going on for the last few months BEFORE THE SET IS EVEN RELEASED. Basically morons are rating something they haven't seen and wont be buying based on nerd-rage and what's NOT on the set. - Generally invading every single web site or forum that remotely mentions the blu-rays just to drag out the same tired OT argument for the zillionith time. - Acting like complete d-bags over the whole situation.
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Carrie Fisher has lost 50 pounds and wants to try out the metal bikini again. http://theclicker.today.com/_news/2011/08/24/7459394-carrie-fisher-drops-50-lbs-eyes-her-star-wars-metal-bikini-again?ocid=ansmsnbc11
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Don't get what you want, throw a fit and hold a grude. Damn, I could only imagine what some you people were like as kids. Bratty, snot-eating pukes that screamed and cried till the parents caved and wiped your asses to perfection or parent since most are of divorced households demolishing your self-esteem to sickening depths. Pathetic. Geez, give it a rest. Do a google search, you will find the originals for bit torrent download. Do it and shut your complaining pie holes!
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In fact, I believe that if Lucas had focused on Obi Wan as the main character instead of Anakin, it would have solved a lot of his problems: For one, not having to completely rely on Hayden Christiansen's non-existent performance to carry the film, which we all know how well that worked out. Having a Good vs. Evil Saturday Matinee Pulp story focused on the bad guy. Very difficult to achieve to begin with, let alone with Lucas' limited directing skills. Fail. Obi Wan is a character we all know and love and he was there from the beginning anyway. He should have been the protagonist. Lucas should not have tried to create some Epic Tragedy in what was primarily a space fantasy popcorn action flick. Not saying that it couldn't be done, but it wasn't and I'm at a loss to think of it ever really being achieved by anyone. And movies with anti-heroes don't count. Vader was pure evil. And he was the protagonist of a series of children films. I actually respect what Lucas was trying to achieve on paper, but unfortunately we all know how it turned out. Epic Fail.
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This entire Talk Back collumn concerning the re-release of The Star Wars series on Blu-ray DVD is cracking me UP!! I mean, the comments, the reactions I am reading? Hysterical! Now, what get's me is this....first of all, I am and always will be a fan of the entire Star Wars series even though and admitedly there are some things I didn't like either. But realize this....it's George's storyline and universe...he created SUCH a momumental and totally iconic world that 34 years later WE the fans and non-fans are talk about, mention, quote lines from, know the names of the major chracters, planets, weapons and villains. Who her can say that they have had such a world wide influence on Humanity the way George Lucas has? Who here can say that they are THE most success Independent film maker of all time? Who here can say that they created an Special Effects company that has been a part of practically even big name, summer tent pole film that have seen ever since ILM was created? Chirruping of Crikets here...... exactly! So cut George Lucas some slack, if it wasn't for him, his vision, his films (including Raiders of The Lost Ark too)....a lot of Sci Fi films would not have been made or at the very least, look a lot different and probably really shitty looking too. One more thing..... I bet a pretty large amount of the (so-called) "Haters" here are going to be buying the Blu-ray version of Stars Wars when it is release.....come on, admit it! LOL
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST
Carrie Fisher has lost 50 pounds and wants to try out the metal bikini again
by Stabby
Unfortunately, she no longer looks like Princess Leia, but Sy Snoodles instead.
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So you're basically arguing that based on the good things Lucas has done he can do no wrong? Is there any level of fail from him that would cause you to have bad feelings about him or is he basically Jesus? Few deny what Lucas has done for the film industry. That doesn't give him a get out of jail free card for the things he does that are just awful and probably didn't have to be. That said, I think there's a strong argument to be made that there is no way the sequels could have been great. Hella better than they turned out to be, yes, but not great. (Just casting a better kid actor than Jake Lloyd would have made Ep I ten times better.)
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it doesn't matter if the big mac scenario is not likely to happen, it's a fictional story, obviously... my point is, you would simply want what is STANDARD for food, which is a big mac, or exactly what you ordered... the STANDARD for dvds is anamorphic, which was not given to the OT dvd bonus movies... people are acting like its some absurd complaint, when in fact its well within reason...i know people from Lucasfilm read these talkbacks, so im going to complain. i guess when you order something online and dont get what you want, you just shrug and dont care??? wonderful consumer attitude you have.
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I think the prequels would've been at the very least more interesting had they been told more from Obi-Wan's perspective, or more from Annakin's perspective (just with a better actor, or better direction invovled with his character). With Clones and Sith Lucas is kind of splitting time with the two and in some ways splitting sympathies, and it just doesn't work with the Annakin portions. I'm guessing that was Lucas' intent, not really giving the audience anyone to root for (or possibly giving us morally ambigious characters to root for), but it didn't work because Annakin is so poorly handled. Is he a confused young man, is he truly evil? What evidence we are given to make us think he is one or the other is very flimsy (oh I'm going to be bad because I want to save my wife, but that doesn't work because other than his dialogue, you never really get a sense that Annakin even cares for Padme, and the going off and killing Jedi part seems just as inplausible from what we are given).
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Aug. 24, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST
Darth Vader came from Tatooine, did built C-3PO and R2-D2 was his closet pal...right.
by ratpack223
However thinks the prequels are anything less, than a piece of shit, is a complete and utter idiot.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1 p.m. CST
arcangel2020-yeah Lucas is a good ideas man and pushes technology to it's limit
by Samuel Fulmer
Or at least was up until about ten years ago. I don't think ILM has the same prestige it used to (WETA is all the rage now), and I think the prequels and Crystal Skull prove his film ideas are currently garbage. And as far as his directoral output, he's near the bottom when it comes to the Movie Brats/New Hollywood of the late 60's/70's.
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I'm preaty sure like Lucas he owns some of his movies. With Apocolypse Now he put both cuts out on blu-ray. I'm glad because even though the redux is interesting to watch, I find the original cut a much better film. At the end of the day I'm a lot happier that the original Apocalypse Now is out there and Lucas is just giving the public his special super duper 30th cuts of the Star Wars films, because the original cut of Apocalypse Now is better than any Star Wars film except Empire Strikes Back, and luckily Empire is the least mutilated of the films.
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Maybe if he had paralleled Obi Wan and Anakin's character arcs with that of Skywalker and Han Solo, only with Anakin's tragic downfall in contrast to Han's heroic redemption. I just really think that the Prequels would have been more successful had Lucas focused on the hero instead of the villain as opposed to splitting the focus as you mention. What if the relationship between Kenobi and Padme had been built up, then how much more powerful would his rescue of her at the end of Sith been? There could have been insane jealousy thrown into the mix of Anakin's soup of hate. If I hate the Prequels, it's because there was so much gold to work with and all Lucas gave us was goose eggs.
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There is just a hint of Annakin suspecting something between Obi-Wan and Padme, but it's kind of a throw away type of line. Maybe Lucas had thought of going there, backed out, but that little line of dialogue on the landing platform of the lava planet stayed in.
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Except in my mind where I can imagine the Greatest Epic Space Opera Tragedy of All Times that never was. Sadly, that is the only place it will ever exist.
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No, it actually didn't made much sense. You'll need to clarify.
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I like the John Williams scores for Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith. I don't like how they are mixed way down in the films and hacked to pieces and tracked in every which way, but the socres are probably my favorite things about the prequels. I like some of the action scoring in Attack of the Clones (like the fight between Jango Fett and Obi-Wan), but that main love theme sounds a little too close to Hook for my liking.
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I think the reason why Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGreggor are by far the best actros in the prequels and which looks they play actual complex and multidimentional characters is because both are experienced theatrer actors. Correction on that: experience english theater actors. They are quit at ease with the theatrical type of acting that is so common in playingolder texts like Shakespeare. The american (adn canadian) actors in the prequels tried for a more naturalistic acting, as exemplified by Portman and Hayden. and as we all know by now, naturalism is not exactly something we first think of in regard to Star Wars. Star Wars is a very theatrial type of space opera. So, in that regard, McDiarmid and McGreggor's (and least we forget, Christopher Lee as well) acting was quite in tune to the style and mood of the SW movies. Portman and Hayden seemed to be fighting against it, if you know what i mean. Really, the way i see it, it's no mere coincidence that the best actors in the prequels are the ones which extensive british theater acting experience. And while Portman and Hayden do have worked for the theater even before Star Wars, their style is more the usual american naturalism. Ill conceived style for a Star Wars movie. In fact, the only american actor who really acted quite in tune to the movie's operatic style (and matches in style to McGreggor, Lee and McDiarmid) was Samuel L. Jackson, who also has extensive theater experience and is a trained Shakespearian actor himself.
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1. ANAKIN: It is perplexing to think that Haley Joel Osment was in line to play a more serious-toned Anakin...until George Lucas wanted an "any kid" version. That is not a disaster in and of itself...but it is too bad he picked very bad "any kid" actors. 2. LACK OF AN ANTI-HERO: One of the great successes of the original trilogy was the presence of Han Solo -- the anti-hero hero. His cocky, brash tone and criminal past was a great contrast with noble Princess Leia, a serious Jedi (like Obi-Wan) and a whiny 18-28 yr old searching for meaning in life. If Lucas would have hired a set of good actors to play Anakin...and added an anti-hero (played by someone like Hugh Jackman), then these films would have been classics. The "GL raped by childhood" nonsense would never have existed. Of course, this is another case of "could of...would of...should of."
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST
"because the original cut of Apocalypse Now is better than any Star Wars film except Empire Strikes Back" No, APOCALYPSE NOW is better then EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.
by AsimovLives
One day even you SW fans will realise that cinema doesn't start and ends with Star Wars.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST
azultool-And that in a nutshell is why the prequels should not have been made
by Samuel Fulmer
Lucas held back and had to come up with some half-assed motivation for why Vader turned evil. Really if Lucas felt the need to do more Star Wars films, he should've just started over with brand new characters. Sure he could've put the droids in there somewhere, but he should've just used some of the ideas he had and made it without the whole Annakin, Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Yoda characters. I think the reason the prequels are such a so disliked isn't just the bad acting, script, and dialogue, it's taking established characters and adding giving them all this new backstory that not only demystifies their images in the original trilogy, but just flat out makes them uninteresting and lame. If Lucas would've come up with new characters and taken them into some of directions he took stuff in the prequels, there may not be the same level of disgust leveled at the Star Wars films he made between 1999-2005. He should've just gone with new characters and sitiuations because no matter how much he tries to retcon the original films with new CGI and Hayden Christensen ghosts, they still don't feel like they take place in the same universe of the prequels.
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I say again that the hatred against the prequels (with the exception of THE PHANTOM MENACE) is exagerated and a bit senseless. But then again, i'm no SW fanboy, so there's that to consider.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST
After all these years, nothing lights up a TB like Star Wars. Oh yeah, Fuck Bitch Lucas.
by AzulTool
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Aug. 24, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST
samuel fulmer - Good points. BTW, I am a huge proponent of a Joe Johnston Boba Fett movie.
by AzulTool
And, a young Yoda movie. And, whatever else you can think of, as long as Lucas is just in a producer role. The days of the precious Skywalker story being sacrosanct are over. Lucas made sure of that. So, fuck the TV show, let's bring some new blood into the Star Wars cinematic experience. Let's save this franchise. Hell, after a few EU flicks, maybe the prequels will even look better...OK, that may have gone overboard, but you know what I mean.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST
@asimovlives: I do like ROTS, actually. It's the only one of the prequels that feels like a *real* Star Wars movie to me.
by NeonFrisbee
I think TPM and AOTC are nigh unwatchable, though. ROTS succeeds despite the fact that the first two are really terrible. I think because it has a *really* strong narrative backbone telegraphed from the original trilogy. It's the first time we actually get to see what Obi Wan was talking about in ANH when he gives Luke the tragic galactic backstory. So, yeah, ok, ROTS was mostly good. But that doesn't stop Lucas from trying his hardest to completely fuck it up. Like, did Darth Vader *really* have to comically bellow at the end? That whole scene is so scary and sad and then all of that emotion is utterly deflated by something so monumentally stupid it defies all logic. I mean he might as well had Jar Jar stumble in and go "OOOHSA NOOSA! WHYSA YOUSA CWY? OOPSIE! MEESA THINKEE LIL ANNIE HASSA BOO BOO!!"
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Ha, well I'm no EU expert (and basically stopped reading those books back before Phantom Menace came out), but I don't recall any of them doing as much damage to my perception of the Star Wars characters as the prequels. I guess it's because it's easier to pretend they books don't exist when they're bad (like some of those Tales from the Cantina stories). The best EU books were the Heir to the Empire series. Obviously they had their problems too, but with some tweaking even now I think they would make cool animated films (since the whole live action ship has sailed). I am kind of interested in what exactly some of those scripts for the new Star Wars live action series (that may or may not happen) were like. I mean I would hope out of 50 hours worth of material, some of it is good.
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*Spoilers* I had to laugh how these kids drive cross country to break into Skywalker Ranch to see Phantom Menace before it is released, because their BFF is about to die of cancer and might not ever get to see it. Imagine that poor bastard, this HUGE Star Wars fanboy and the last thing he sees before he dies is The Phantom Menace. Talk about a kick in the nads when your down.
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Love the Seth Rogen bit with the Jar Jar tatoo.
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Beam me up scotty LOL
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Well, the kid looked pretty pleased when he saw THE PHANTOM MENACE. He even used their group culture word for good, he called the movie "Wookie". I guess knowing he was about to die, seeing a new SW movie was enough for him. The best joke of the movie is in the end, when, after camping out for a week at the theater's door for the movie's premier, one of the guys turn and says "but what if the movie is bad?". It was the only joke in the movie that actually made me laugh like hell.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST
SW. blah, blah. In other news: Does anyone else think that Ann Curry from The Today Show is totally hot?
by AzulTool
I had a big crush on Jane Pauly back in the day, but this Ann Curry is really attractive...That is all.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST
I'm not so jadded about the prequels that i can't see the good in them.
by AsimovLives
Yeah, i can see the good in the prequels. To wit: - Contrary to what some have claimed, Obi-Wan is the prequel's de facto hero. He is the main protagonist. Anakin is a co-protagonist, but the movies themselves never tire to point out that as a hero he fares quite poorly. Just because he's a badass doesn't mean he's hero material. The real hero is Obi-Wan, and as played by McGreggor, he's an engaging character to follow around. - I liked the arc of the prequels' story. i just wish that ATTACK OF THE CLONES had been the first movie, with a movie inbetween ATTACK and REVENG EOF THE SITH. It wouldn't had been that hard to turn ATTACK into the first movie of the prequels, just make Anakin and Padme meet for the very first time in that movie. The narrative would even be the same, only the dialogue would change. - I loved Obi-Wan as a sleuth/detective in ATTACK. It's the only time in the whole Sw saga where it becames a procedual thriller, and for that i liked it. - I liked the politcal intrigue in the prequels. Many people derise that, as if all they wanted was just Jedis blasting evil aliens and evil robots. Me, i think the politcial intrigue adds an extra element to the story, and makes the universe of Star Wars feel like a thing alive besides what is happening around the heroes. It's world-building, and i like that. - Evne though the movie is filled with so much CGI it sometimes looks like a cartoon, i like the world-building that went to the prequels. THe galaxy now actually look slike a lived in place WITH PLACES, instead of just mentions as in the original trilogy. - The prequels have quite a good many cool villains. There's the king of them all, the villain to end all villains in the form of Darth Seditious/Palpatine. Darth Maul was total badass. Count Dooku, just by being played by Chritopher Lee, is awesome. Django Fett is a normal human but he's so badass he gave one of the top best Jedi a run for his money and hold himself more then enough. And Darth Griveous' only problem was that he should had had more screentime. - The Phantom Menace has the best sword-fight in the whole saga in the duel between Obi-Wan & Qui-Gon Vs Darth Maul. Even the prequels bashes have toa dmit that sequences was phenomenal, and if you don't you are just being a contrarian for contrarianism sake. Sorry, but that's it. That fight is not just the best in the prequels, it's the best in the wehole saga. It's also one of the best sword fights in put to screen. As an action scene, it's fabulous. Even a basher can't be so obtuse to deny it. - I loved the extended opening shot of REVENGE OF THE SHITH. It's very Orson Welles in it's style, going for a long traveling shot without a break, full of background happenings while we follow the heroes. Of course the fact it's tull CGI does eliminate the issues that come from filming long shots in real life enviroments, but the idea behind it has merit. - The acting of Ian McDiarmid is just fantastic. I already said enough about it. He and his character are the best actor/character combo in the whole prequels, and also one of the best in the whole saga (also present in RETURN OF THE JEDI, and shamelessly stealing the movie). - I really have not much bad to say about ATTACK OF THE CLONES. As i said, it should had been the first movie of the prequel. What most see as it's great flaws, i see as nothing to write home about. It really bewilders me people who call it a bad movie. Seems more like inertia from their sore ass from THE PHANTOM MENACE then from anything really in and about the movie. - The opera scene in REVENGE OF THE SITH is the best acting and dialogue scene in the whole of the SW saga. Not just the prequels, but the whole saga. I have no hatred for the prequels. In fact, many time si fel a compultion to defend them agaisnt it's aggravator. Except THE PHANTOM MENACE. Excluding the light sable figth scene (and the pod race is also pretty sweet), i don't feel particulary more toward defending it. It's a movie i feel superfelous, and it should even had existed outside of the prequels trilogy, as a antechamber movie to the main narrative.
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I agree with several of your points... AOTC should have been Ep 1 (nothing wrong with Anakin and Padme meeting at that age/falling in love) with more substance and narrative leading into the final act of Ep 3. And Ann Curry is hot!
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Except with a deeper, more masculine voice.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST
John Lone was hotter in The Last Emperor...Dammit, I knew that looking at that crotchless Superman was going to turn me queer!
by AzulTool
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If you saw Star Wars in 1976, then you saw one year before the rest of the planet.
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The best tang on the tube is usually found at the local level, or on the Spanish Language networks. Ashlee DeMartino in Las Vegas....Vagilicious.
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Good morningGood morningGood morning Good morningGood morningGood mornin STOP SAYING GOOD MORNING!
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http://tjamesphoto.com/ashlee/photos/JPEG/IMG_6489.jpg
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST
I want her to say Good Morning, or perhaps joh sahn, to me and only me. In our bed. Where we make love, on the reg.
by AzulTool
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST
conspiracy - I think I paid that chick for a handy at The Peppermill once.
by AzulTool
I saw Edward R. Murrow in a dress like that once.
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It's a waste of time to wish for something that won't happen. Charles Manson will get released before the original versions.....move along. Like when I say, "Gee, I wish Kristen Bell would come over and give me a sloppy blowjob!" ... Wish for one thing and shit in the other, which one happens first? Pie in the Sky, stop obsessing over minutiae anyway. The SE are a mere ten minutes in three films, it's not the end of the world.
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RIGHT ON, BRUTHA!
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST
azultool..And I bet Murrow Looked Sexy as fuck in it too.
by conspiracy
though not as hot as my delicious Ashlee... BTW...good choice on the Peppermill. Mounds of decent food and some nice trim serving it.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST
asimovlives - Do you even know the names of the characters in SW?
by EjkoUSC
Who the hell is Darth Sadetious? Darth Grievous? I know its Django Unchained fever lately, but Django Fett? The plural for Jedi still lacks an s. Just say Jedi. Anyways aside from your brutal rape and murder of the English language, I agree with many of your points. The worlds are all fully realized and you see the little nooks and crannies of Coruscant and get a great sense of the types of people that live there, whom we dont see on screen. I'm not sure if you were tryin to say this but if you were then I agree with the idea that the PT is in a way far more interesting a story than the OT. It had every reason to be better just because of the basic premise. It was rife with political intrigue, drama, action and complexity that the more striaghtforward OT didn't have. GL just dropped the ball and didn't juggle all the elements well enough and seemed more interested in what was floating behind the characters and not the characters themselves. Maybe a combination of it being a more intersting trilogy as well as its missed opportunities are what make me gravitate in a way more to them than the OT.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST
zodnotgod it's "wish in one hand, shit in the other. See which gets filled first."
by EjkoUSC
Wish for one thing, shit in the other doesn't make sense. It's a great quote that deserves to see the light of day. They'll never get their beloeved original SW back but they can at least get exposure to original quotes.
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Can't wait to see the new cleaned up CGI with Dakota Fanning put in place of Mackenzie Phillips.
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http://trekmovie.com/tos-in-hd/ I think what they did with those is exactly what the majority of the wild and crazy haters (myself included) want: 1) No new content 2) Removal of matte lines and other artifacts 3) Restrained CGI enhancements of dated effects 4) Upgraded 5.1 or 7.1 THX audio. Really, Mr. Lucas…why is this so fucking difficult to grasp?
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Quite honestly that's the only SE change where I prefer the original. They are both pretty silly musical numbers and I don't necessarily object to replacing some of those rather immovable puppets with CG but the original song has that weird jazzy quality that just fits better in the Star Wars universe. Bring back Lapti Nek and update the CG and it's a better scene.
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and replace all the actors with computer animated younger versions of himself. Then Spielberg can come in and paint out all the guns.
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Aug. 24, 2011, 5:25 p.m. CST
Yeah, I hear the old Pep is whore central...I may have to pay that place a visit. For, uh, research on a screenplay. Yeah, that's it.
by AzulTool
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Aug. 24, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST
zodnotgod: "Pie in the Sky, stop obsessing over minutiae anyway. The SE are a mere ten minutes in three films, it's not the end of the world. "
by Billy_D_Williams
She's only a hundred pounds overweight, I can still smash it
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She's only 100 pounds overweight, I can still smash it
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She's only 100 pounds overweight, I can still smash it
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Aug. 24, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST
something is wrong with the talkback...its not letting me post my whole comment
by Billy_D_Williams
oh well,
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The fact that George Lucas ever changed anything in a film classic is annoying. But his bullshit excuse of not having the technology to complete his vision until "now" is even more annoying! What is the worst most unconvincing effect in the entire original trilogy? 1997 Jabba? 1997 Jedi Rocks number? Yeah, probably one of those. Which is why Jabba was changed in the 2004 DVD release. And why both will probably be changed yet again in the 2011 Bluray release. Or Jedi Rocks will be dropped entirely. George will have changed STAR WARS for a THIRD FUCKING TIME with the Bluray! I wouldn't be surprised if Greedo even shoots in the next release. It would be unbelievably ironic if George keeps changing them slightly with each release for 40 years until they end up being exactly as they originally were!
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And how dumb is it that even the prequels will have been changed in every release? CGI Yoda change to Episode 1? WTF?
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....Lucas has been changing Star Wars since Day #1. Get over it and stop whining like a bunch of infants, unless that is what you are of course.
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He just plays with the absolute gullability of his fan base. The man could sell ice to SW geeks if they were eskimos. I don't think there is a man who has gotten so rich from doing so little. Six films in 34 years and they have just been milked to death. He just hires ILM to tweak a new version and he is off. Why are both versions not on the BR discs? Cos he is not stupid that is why. They will try to drop every line in the book as to why the original cuts aren't on the discs but take it as read they will get released and the suckers will buy up. I love George as a filmmaker but he sure knows how to make a quick buck.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 4:37 a.m. CST
I don't get why so many fans spaz out and try to mount a revolt
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
against CGI tweaks to the originals. I get that you want Han to shoot first, fine. I get that you want to make a stand and let the world know that the DVD/Bluray buyers don't want that shit in the products that they buy. Or not. I don't really get it. What's the big deal?
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Aug. 25, 2011, 4:40 a.m. CST
and Ive seen the original star wars 20 thousand times and never ever want to watch it again!
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
and when I do and theres weird shit in it that I never seen before, I won't really give a fuck! It will be mildly annoying at the worst I bet!
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I'd like to see you murder my native portuguese language. Don't presume everybody in here are american or english native speaking people. No, i haven't bothered with memorising the names of every character in SW. I always have to look it up for the name of Obi-Wan's Jedi master. and i know that in english the plural for Jedi is Jedi. not in my native portuguese, however, which we use Jedis to say plural. So, i guess it was force of habit. And and i know it's Darth Sedious, it was a typo. i know the name for that character is derived form the word "Seditious", however, which is in fact what the dude is. The Sith seem to take their names from their most notable evil characteristics. Grievous is also from the word "grievance". Basically, it seems Lucas bases the Sith's names from negative personal characteristics and negative personal traits. Vader, however, is father in dutch, i believe. However, you prety much udnerstood my points i was making. Like you, i agree that he world building in the prequels is generally better then in the original trilogy. I'd say, the originla trilogy justification is that we are following a bunch of rebels who are doing a sort of guerrilla warfare fighting, so they live and fight in the frinces of the galaxy, where civilization is scarsely represented. The prequels are set right in the middle of the big major planets, particulary the capital planet of Coscurant. I liked that the prequels actually show places in the galaxy isntead of merely the references we get in the original trilogy. Of course, it all coems down to what technology allowed to be presented onscreen. And Lucas ambitions for his Sw wars even exceded what was shown in the prequels. I once read one of Lucas older SW drafts, and coscurant was described as a planet with buildings of transparent glass. Think about it. But come the prequels, they went for a Blade Runner look. Curious.
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Fast becoming? He is so since the early 1980s. In fact, he used to be worst then he is today. If today he refuses to show the original versions of SW, he is actualy missing out on a gold mine there. That he is not milking it is actually a show of restrain and a mission statement from him. If it was merely comemrcialism, he would had sold out the original versions already and make an extra buck out of it. He wasn't. So, there is a principle involved in the futher milking of the SW franchise. I'm not saying he's not milking it. But there's more then just crass comemrcialism on Lucas part. There is a plan besides commerce, i suspect. A slow building plan to effectivelly eradicate the original version of SW althogether and only leave behind the versions he's satisfied with. One day the original versions will be this mystical beasts that only barely survive in bad bootleg copies. That's my take on it.
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...His name is Darth Sidious, which is a play on the word "insidious", which he obviously is.
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The only tinkering in A NEW HOPE that really bothers me is the scene with Jabba, because it repeats material from the scene before, and mucks up the whole 'we gotta get outta here!' tension of that 10 minute sequence, from when they leave the Cantina to when the Falcon takes off. But with PHANTOM MENACE, I actually wish they WOULD do some tinkering. I know the phantom edit took out a lot of the annoying 'yippees' but what tey need to do in the edit - in my humble opinion - is to decide who the lead is and cut out everything not featuring that they can, without ruining the story. Because the biggest problem with the movie is that you don't really know who you are rooting for. Is it Obi-Wan? Anakin? Amidala? etc. So, it's QUI GON's film. I think it has to be. Someone needs to figure out: what's his story? Why do we care about him? Then they need to prune back all the extraneous stuff, especially of Anakin. (He's much better established in Episode 2.) Obviously Jar Jar goes as much as possible - although the respect Qui Gon shows to Jar Jar is a nice character note. Much less Amidala. And so on. You'd probably take out about 15 minutes and end up with quite good flick. I feel that Eps 2 and 3 knew that their lead was Anakin Skywalker. So they didn't have this problem at all.
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Yeah, it makes more sense. Though the dude was pretty seditious too.
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I always assume that the prequels have a three protagonists thing to it, in mirroing the original trilogy. While in the origjnal Luke, solo and Leia were the protagonists, in the prequels it's Anakin, Padmé and Obi-Wan. Qui-Gon is mroe of what Obi-Wan was in the original trilogy, the mentor figure that's sacrificed so that the hero can futher his jorney. Or something like that. I think that even among the 3 leads, the real protagonist and the audience identification figure of the prequels is Obi-Wan. He is by far the most smypathetic character in the whole prequels and the one with the most pure of heart. I just think that the way the prequel lead troika was presented in THE PHANTOM MENACE was a bit clumsy. It takes until the middle of the movie until we finally meet Anakin. And then he's presented as an anoying kid. Sure, he has to have seeds of the evil he will became, and certainly many evil fucks in history started out as anoying little fucking tykes (see Hitler). But Anakin as a kid is supposed to be at least still a sympathetic character, but i found the kid to anything but. I maintain what i said before: ATTACK OF THE CLONES should had been the first movie of the prequels. anakin and Padmé should had met for the very first time in that movie. Or if they had a backstory together, it should had stayed as just there in ATTACK, merely a mention in conversation. Hell, one wouldn't even need do mcuh changing in the movie for it to effectively work as a introductory movie for the prequels. If i was George Lucas, i would pretend THE PHANTOM MENACE never happened, used ATTACK OF THE CLONES as the first prequel movie, and then shot another film for the prequel trilogy, oen that would happen between ATTACK and REVENGE OF THE SITH, or afterwards and show the birth and the growth of the Empire and the consolidation of Vader as the figure of terror he became as he helped build Palpatine's Empire. Padmé could return as a figure from Anakin's conscience who would still burn him in his earlier times as a figure of evil, and by the end, when he finally rejects her for good, his turn for evil would be complete. In fact, i loved so much the scenes between Anakin and Palpatine in REVENGE OF THE SITH that i wanted a whole movie dedicated to just those two as the movie's focus. For somebody who is not a fan of SW, i sure can think a lot of stuff for it. I guess my imagination likes to fill in on lost or missed oportunities.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST
In the "Even Specialer Editions" Greedo has been replaced by Jar Jar Binks, and instead of shooting first or second, he just jumps up on the table and farts in Han Solo's face.
by NeonFrisbee
"OHSA NOSAH! MEESA EAT MOY MOY SPACE BURRITOS!" BRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!!! Hearing this announcement, every obese man-baby on the planet breaks their pudgy fingers mashing their impotent, incoherent rage out on cum encrusted computer keyboards across the globe and sends them projectile-vomiting across the innernettes... but then turns around buys 10 copies of the blu rays anyway. And thus the cycle of devolution continues...
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Aug. 25, 2011, 7:39 a.m. CST
Change Episode 1 to Prologue, Attack becomes Ep1, Then add another move as ep 2. Ep3 is still 3.
by Carl XVI Gustaf
And cause we now have a prologue, we will need an epilogue, set about 10 years after ROTJ. In the words of Young Darth Vader: Yipiieee!!!
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Aug. 25, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST
Oh and the 2 new movies are written by someone talented, George get to share some ideas, then go to the bahamas until they're done.
by Carl XVI Gustaf
Done.
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All I have to say is, Name me one Special Edition Box Set that doesn't include an Original Theatrical Release?
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What the Crud? It only posted one sentence of your response.... Why can't we have an edit function? Some of these posts peform grammar rape on a daily basis. Also, why not have a quote option, so we know who we are responding to...
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Interesting point, but I think all three are the leads. It's basically about the decline of the Republic and the steps to its ruination. All three characters contribute significantly to its demise. Qui Gon for discovering and pushing for Anakin's training. Obi WAn for training and failing at it. Amidala for being the instigator for his paranoia, passion and anger towards the Jedis and Anakin for obvious psycho reasons.
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My above post was directed at he.
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...all the friggin' whiners?
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The Jabba scene in SE is great because it puts Han is control. He walks through, tells them all where to get off and calls them names in the process. Tough, to the point, damn right. A pay-off to this scene happens in JEDI when Han is held prisoner by Jabba. The control is back to Jabba, who then orders Solo's execution. Works for me and the scene was nothing new, it was always in the script and only cut due to Lucas not knowing how to present Jabba.
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I second that emotion!
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zodnotgod, the Jabba scene in ANH is just superflous - adds nothing that we didnt get in the Greedo scene (and actually detracts from the pace of the movie and some of the cool reveals that come later). Plus with the Pod Race Lucas established that Jabba was a very important figure, a ruling despot up in the royal box. Not one to bother coming down to wait at a hangar bay for a smuggler, nor one to take kindly to being lectured and having his tail walked on. Nice to have the scene as a deleted extra on the disc but reinstating it doesnt improve the movie imho.
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...your friggin' neckpouch, George?
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Aug. 25, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST
asimovlives - no, those aren't the root meaning of their names either.
by EjkoUSC
Sidious does not derive itself from seditious. It derives itself far more simply from insidious. As in, an insidious plot. Grievous does not stem from grievance (ha, a villain named after the filing of a complaint?) It stems from itself man: grievous (suffering, pain)
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Aug. 25, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST
Darth Meanie, sir, Admiral Badguy is on the compu-phone, he wants to talk about how we're gonna thwart Captain Nicefella when he has SO many midichlorians!
by NeonFrisbee
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She's only 100 pounds overweight, I can still smash it
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Talkback keeps leaving out the majority of my post
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Remove Jedi rocks. You shouldn't have a film where a character runs up to you and breaks the 4th wall for no reason. TWO do that in one scene, and the song is less funky. Removed the Saarlac's worm or whatever that thing is, it's much creepier as a pit. Put in some CGI of it swallowing people instead. Do something more with boba fett. Bring back nub nub, it segues into the end theme so well. Just make it longer. Don't tinker with the dead Jedi club, Annakin should be as luke saw him. Oh and chuck in some extra mon calamari, those guys are awesome
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She's only 100 pounds overweight, I can still smash it GOT IT....I doubt that's all you had to say, ;)
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That's exactly why the scene works! Solo is a nobody, but when he gets pressured, he gives Jabba the middle finger and tells him to go screw. Not just some criminal Hutt, but Jabba the gangster! Who is Solo? He should have been shot for getting up in the Hutts face, but no, he stared him down, Jabba blinked. A great character moment for Solo instead of just a hothead with an itchy trigger finger and underscores what a bad-ass Solo is and how revenge later on will taste sweet for Jabba. I would guess Lucas put him in there since he's mentioned two times in two films; to put a face to the name before we see him again in JEDI.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST
Call me crazy, but I am more excited for the JURASSIC PARK blu-ray set than the STAR WARS ones
by lv_426
I think its that I've seen all the Star Wars films so many freaking times that I am a little burned out on them. I'm not a hater of the prequels, but they aren't that awesome to me anymore. I'll probably buy the OT set blu-ray closer to the holidays when it is on sale at Amazon or Best Buy. I don't need the prequels in blu-ray, and the extras on the full Star Wars box set kinda suck. No Empire of Dreams, which is the definitive Star Wars documentary on there either. I can buy Empire of Dreams used on DVD for a couple of bucks, or watch it for free on Youtube. I'd rather have Empire of Dreams and those big ass definitive Making of Star Wars and Empire books that came out more recently than the lame extras on the complete set.
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I beleived that grievance had a stronger meaning then just a mere complain. Am i going for older english here?
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Just pissed off at pretty much everything. The galaxy's crabbiest warrior.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST
Deleted scenes from the prequel dvds not included on Blurays
by Samuel Fulmer
At least I don't see them looking at the special features run down on The Force net. Not sure if it really matters to anyone though since I can't remember one good scene (and those cut Attack of the Clones scenes were embarrassingly bad).
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Aug. 25, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST
ust pissed off at pretty much everything. The galaxy's crabbiest warrior.
by ZodNotGod
Already have one- his name is Bill Mahr.
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F**k Jurassic Park! The same movie remade twice.
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Aug. 25, 2011, 2 p.m. CST
The reading is off the chart. Over... 20,000. Even Master Yoda doesn't have a midi-chlorian count that high.
by CT1
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The re-recorded New Zealand version is terrible compared to the original. He used to sound really sinister: Original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a897FGgDJy8 New Zealand Boba Fett http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDl8g0ZQLdY&feature=related
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Aug. 25, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST
asimovlives - old english? No. Grievance to this day means complaint. There is nothing sinister or threatening from a General Grievance.
by EjkoUSC
Maul/Maul - to scar/main/wound etc Sidious/Insidious - Diabolical plotting/scheming etc Tyrannus/Tyranny - Oppression/Absolute rule Dooku/"Poison" in Japanese Vader/Dutch for father. You're correct. Father of Luke obviously. Not very ominous but whatever. See how ominous those are though otherwise? Grievance - a complaint. Yeah not so ominous. May as well say his name stems from grieving - to mourn the dead. Or gravy - a gooey beef based topping on mashed potatoes.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPzDjaA03ts&NR=1 Pretty old video, but still on point. Dude should make a web series. I'd watch.
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Han/greedo scene restore to original Han kills him one shot done Shorten singing in Jedi Rerecord aussie saying bobba fett lines better acting needed Delete bobba fett scream before he hits sail barge Better death star battle in episode IV needs better look and feel with fighters , trench, surface etc. Show better shelter scene on hoth morning after rescue and dead carcass and luke Trim Down all jabba palace scenes minimize the sesame street muppets Longer space battle scenes in Jedi at end. They were good
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...to just get them from piratebay over the weekend.
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