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The Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day features Uncle Walt and Mickey at work!

Published at: Aug. 19, 2011, 10:48 p.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

Now this isn’t exactly a behind the scenes look at a specific movie, but it is one of our most iconic entertainers with his most iconic character, Walt Disney sketching Mickey Mouse from Steamboat Willie.

Now I’m insanely jealous of the person in this world who owns that sketch, but find the image to be one of particular happiness. I have a lot of fond memories of watching him host The Magical World of Disney when they reran on the Disney channel and like any child of the last 80-ish years I grew up with the fruits of his labor and the works inspired by him.

Disney strikes me as a real life Willy Wonka and after having spent the day at Disneyland (my first time in over a decade) the imagination on display is still mind-blowing. The Haunted Mansion ride is perhaps the best thing man has ever created. Sorry, fire. Sorry, wheel.

So here’s Uncle Walt and Mickey! Enjoy!

 

 

If you have a behind the scenes shot you’d like to submit to this column, you can email me at quint@aintitcool.com.

I have no idea what tomorrow’s behind the scenes pic will be, but I’m sure it’ll be something cool.

-Quint
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  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:51 p.m. CST

    I'll bet you anything...

    by BirdieNumNum

    That Disney didn't draw that!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Fuck Disney cartoons. Give me the old Looney Tunes any day.

    by Tristan

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Personally

    by dukeroberts

    I love this pic, though he probably didn't draw it. I think it's a great publicity shot. I love Uncle Walt and classic Disney. And just because you love Looney Tunes is no reason to hate Disney cartoons. I collect both, plus old Popeye, Tom and Jerry, Woody Woodpecker and Harvey cartoons.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST

    It's not an us vs them situation

    by D.Vader

    Idiots.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST

    WARNING: Fake genius at work in this pic.

    by cookepuss

    I used to buy into the pro Disney hype until I heard about the Simba/Kimba "Lion King" debacle. The more I read about them the more it shocked me that they've been boosting other creators' IP for years.... and getting away with it. It's hard to take this pic seriously when it's so well known that Mickey is basically a ripped off and rejigged "Oswald the Lucky Rabbit." Disney is literally the animation world's equivalent of Thomas Edison. Both men seemingly built their legendary reputations on the hard work and tireless efforts of others. Disney's not a legend. He's a fraud, imo. Same with Pixar. (Cars & Doc Hollywood, anyone?) The "nine old men" are a different story though. Those guys were genius personified. For my money, Chuck Jones and Tex Avery is where it's at though

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Rsanta74 you dumb fuck

    by Biffs_Pleasure_Paradise

    Disney and Iwerks had a right to 'ripoff and rejig' Oswald since THEY FUCKING CREATED HIM!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Biffs_Pleasure_Paradise

    Really fake genius? The first feature length animated fil Snow White, Fantasia, Mary Poppins, Disneyland, Disney World...there is no fake genius there. He WAS a genius and a visionary.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:02 a.m. CST

    For those of you who've never seen Oswald...

    by cookepuss

    http://tinyurl.com/3tkwwav Oswald was created by Disney, but owned by Universal (afaik). Disney split after some money disputes and, along with Ub Iwerks, "created" a brand new character - Mickey. Just different enough to avoid getting his ass sued. Now, Disney owns Oswald too. Oh, the irony.

  • Read up... dumb fuck.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:04 a.m. CST

    to Oswald, I mean

    by cookepuss

  • the guy footing the bill retains the rights while the employee/contractor gets the paycheck. It's the same deal with what's been going on with the Kirby VS Marvel legal tussle. Walt, at the time, didn't own Oswald. He completed his contractual obligation and went on his merry way. So, just because Len Wein co-created Wolverine doesn't mean that he actually owns him or deserves any money from the films. That's not so unusual, especially in a creative industry.

  • Granted, I'm not sure how much rotoscoping was involved in that flick, but I've heard that it's not so insignificant. I'm pretty sure that a bunch of the actual live action film footage still exists. Mary Poppins? REALLY?!? Wanna cite that one? Why not fucking cite Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and toss your credibility ALL the way out the window? Maybe it's because I don't dig musicals, but I've always found it hard to sit through. I'm not discounting the bold idea of this magical nanny or the talented actors behind the roles, but Poppins is awful imo. For the record, Poppins was the brain child of author PL Travers - not Disney. Walt wasn't even involved in the screenplay. Fantasia either. Walt only served as producer and Mickey's voice. Disney, the man and the studio, has often been accused of stealing. It's not a baseless accusation. There's enough proof to make the "magic kingdom" look like nothing but smoke and mirrors. Again, look it up.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Really though...

    by Jon

    If Mickey was really infringing on the Oswald IP, don't you think Universal would have sued when Disney and Mickey Mouse started making money hand over fist? And no, he probably didn't draw that. He did some animation, but he was not considered a particularly good artist. He did do Mickey's voice, though, until smoking changed his own voice.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4aQbPZy36c I've got nothing against referencing. Artists do it all of the time. Helps you nail the timing and physics. Some artist just use it as a crutch. Rotoscoping is old school mocap. You either love it or you hate it. Very little in-between. Anyway. Enough thread hogging. Sorry, Quint. Thanks for your enthusiasm and the pic.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:50 a.m. CST

    @niles_the_cat: That's the thing though.

    by cookepuss

    Disney made Mickey just different enough. It's not like today, where you can argue that the claim that it was "just different enough" is a shell game of BS and semantics. We're talking about the 1920s - 1940s. The issue of intellectual property rights was a far different thing back then. You could pretty much make the case that Mickey MOUSE and Oswald RABBIT were two totally unique creations. We're talking about the dawn of modern animation here. Courts played pretty fast and loose back then. The other thing is, once Mickey took off like a rocket propelled rockety thing..... Who are you gonna back? You know the saying, "You can't fight city hall?" Once you get to be big enough to be Disney with a major effin' capital "D", who's gonna fight you? That, afaik, was the deal with Kimba/Simba. You can't fight city hall. Plus, by a certain point, Oswald got played out and back-burnered while Mickey's meteoric rise continued. Even if somebody wanted to majorly bitch, nothing stops a juggernaut with a bottomless wallet. I'm sure that y'all have seen the Simpsons ep that referenced this Oswald issue. It was the one that claimed that Itchy & Scratchy were ripped off. Totally referencing the Oswald/Mickey thing. Funny episode too. =) It's all moot since Disney owns the Oswald IP now too. At that point it's there's no sense in arguing if the chicken came before the egg or vice versa. I was just picking at an old scab. That's be like me making the Captain Marvel Superman comparisons and dredging up that old (non-)issue.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:53 a.m. CST

    I've seen Walt's old sketch book

    by Crooooooow

    The man loved him some naked ladies!

  • Google him to see what I mean. Like looking at some teen's highchool notebook. Lots or artists are like that though. Marvel artists have been known to do nudes of their characters for years, knowing that the'll get inked over and colored into clothing later. Some artists just like their nekkid girlies though. =) Comic Book Resources has done a couple of bits on this over the years.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 2:35 a.m. CST

    rsanta74 - Talent borrows, genius Steals

    by teddy_duchamp

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 2:40 a.m. CST

    rsanta

    by Quint

    So, you're saying that Disney is a fake genius because he created a character that was owned by someone else, then created a different similar character? You realize he was still the genius creating that first character you're all upset about him ripping off, right? I think it's become a game of semantics now. So, was Disney a real genius when he created Oswald? I also don't buy the argument that any adapted material means zero creativity on the part of the adaptor. I assume you think Kubrick was a fake genius since he did almost nothing but book adaptations, yeah? Not trying to gang up or anything, just confused by the logic. And, yeah, you guys are right, Disney wasn't much of an artist, so it's very likely he didn't draw this image, but it's still an awesome shot, no?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Hey rsanta74,

    by ShogunMaster

    Remember when someone asked you what you think of Disney? Me neither. Shut the fuck up. It's just the pic of the day, not worth lighting up the torches and sharpening up the pichforks. I didn't agree with it at the time, but now I'm glad your uncle raped you...

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Quint

    by teddy_duchamp

    thanks for the great image! would love to see more from the vintage Disney era!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Disneys genius was

    by teddy_duchamp

    taking Oswald the rabbit, a half decent character and turning it into Mickey Mouse the most famous and recognised character of all time. A creative and commercial genius if not a master artist.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Fleischer Bros.

    by Eric Shea

    Dave and Max Fleischer's shorts were so much better than Disney's shorts of the Twenties and Thirties. Give me Superman, Popeye, and Betty Boop over Goofy, Donald, and the Silly Symphonies. The Fleischer Superman cartoons are still the best animated superhero adventures ever, even better than Batman The Animated Series. Hell, I'll even take Gabby over Mickey Mouse. Walt's full length movies were way better than Gulliver's Travels and Mr. Bug Goes to Town, though. Pinocchio is still one of my top five animated movies of all time, Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty stand the test of time, and Fantasia was a noble experiment, something we don't see much of in Hollywood anymore.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Disney was a visionary

    by Jared Bond

    ...even if he didn't do most of his own work, or was harsh to his employees. I'd say he's singlehandedly responsible for a large part of our culture today, whether you realize it or not. It is a testament to his vision that Disneyland, the achievement he was most proud of in his life, is still a booming attraction. What else from the 50s and 60s has such a relevance today? My personal favorite of his, besides Disneyland, is Fantasia-- a film that didn't have to be made, and which he lost a lot of time and money on. But he made it because he wanted to. He wanted to introduce kids to classical music; though that's not all, of course-- compare it to the soulless and neutered imitation "Fantasia 2000". Walt had something to say, and was determined to say it. Everything he did was not only meaningful to him, but a new and exciting innovation. It came out of his own desire. One way to tell how profound something was is if people are provoked to disbelieve it and make up conspiracy theories about it. (The Beatles are another example, the Wizard of Oz another.) See this about Fantasia: http://tinyurl.com/3r6oolk. In comparison, are there any conspiracy theories about Looney Tunes?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Quint-

    by Jon

    Yes, great shot! My first reaction was actually "How do I get this hanging on my wall somewhere?" rsanta - I'll give you the Kimba/Simba thing. Although I've only read about it in passing, but I do think that was a "fighting City Hall" situation. However, Disney in the 20's/30's probably had fewer employees total than they have full-time lawyers today. I think Uni would have been a much bigger player at the time. But anyway, if Walt didn't have Oswald "stolen" from him, we would never have had the Al Michaels/Oswald trade, which I think is hilarious.

  • When Walt's name comes up in documentries, the first thing they do is call him a Jew hater.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Disney's genius

    by Mike

    How can anyone say Walt wasn't a genius he implemented sound,color,and the first full length cartoon.He was a true leader,when most people would have left their company for dead he never wavered.At first The company was bankrupt on numerous occasions and Disney was making cartoons for a loss.That to me is preserverence. Not many people are able to pursue their dreams they way Walt Disney did.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Ub Iwerks designed Steamboat Willy, not Walt Disney

    by CartoonScott

    Walt gave up animation and drawing very early on at Disney

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 4:40 a.m. CST

    wasn't Oswald the lucky rabbit to be rebooted?

    by MattsSwellHouse

    seem to remember seeing a modernised image with apparent plans for a series of shorts? because the disney suits thought mickey had lost a bit of his appeal with today's kids

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:01 a.m. CST

    mattsswellhouse

    by oaser

    I wonder if the shots you saw were from a recently released Epic Mickey video game. I read that Disney used Oswald as the villain in that, and made him into the jealous brother of Mickey. He was pissed that he wasn't the star even though he was intended to be, so thy turned him into Mickey's arch nemesis. It's a neat idea, I think -- but I wonder if those are the pics you saw. I hadn't heard that Disney was going to start using him in regular cartoons, though. That'd be interesting to see.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:55 a.m. CST

    The Best part of the Oswald Story

    by thepoohguy

    Is what Universal got for him. Disney traded to Universal, the living and breathing Al Michaels from Monday Night Football, to Universal for an old animated cartoon that most people didn't know. AWESOME!!!!! And Epic Mickey the video game is appropriately titled...

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Quint

    by Kevin

    You still have the BEST feature on AICN!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:45 a.m. CST

    SIEG HEIL MICKEY!!! 卐卐 卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐!!!

    by CreepyThinMan

  • do you know how many times entertainers and artists have had their shit ripped off by companies only to be bought and re-sold over and over while the original creators get fuck all? CBS convinced Rod Serling to sell his share of The Twilight Zone back to them because they said that they would never recover the costs. Suffice to say, it has, many times over while he and his family have gotten fuck all. It sounds like you have an axe to grind with Walt or that you love having corporate cock in your mouth. Your argument is fucking retarded. Walt worked for someone,created something, left and then created something else that happened to take off and become a cultural icon while raking it in. You sound more like someone whining that they didn't get a piece of that action. What the fuck do you care unless you're somehow connected to the company that Walt worked for before he created Mickey and your entire loser family spends every Christmas by a flaming garbage can, roasting rats over the open fire, lamenting how you could have been billionaires if only your Great Granddad had managed to steal Walt's idea.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:26 a.m. CST

    http://s11.motherlessmedia.com/dev102/0/504/371/0504371522.gif

    by CreepyThinMan

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Lion King was a total ripoff but W Disney was dead by then

    by Rupee88

    I am not a Disney fetishist but your argument is weak.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST

    RSanta, you ignorant slut...

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    You wrote: "For the record, Poppins was the brain child of author PL Travers - not Disney. Walt wasn't even involved in the screenplay. Fantasia either. Walt only served as producer and Mickey's voice." I don't know what's worse, the fact that you have no real knowledge of Walt Disney, or your fake swagger thinking no one is going to call your bluff if you say it with enough bravado and curse words. Fantasia did not have a screenplay, it was created using storyboards, and Walt Disney was personally in charge of approving every story beat for every second of that movie. Many of the gags in Dance of the Hours were created by Walt personally, which you'd know if you actually read any of the books that cover the making of the movie. As for Mary Poppins, Walt Disney tried to convince Travers for years to sell him the rights, and throughout this time, he was plussing the movie, songs were written, the story structure nailed down. When Travers gave the go-ahead, Walt was ready to go. To say Walt Disney had nothing to do with the screenplay for Mary Poppins is like saying George Lucas had nothing to do with the screenplay of Return of the Jedi. Now that's just two examples of how big of an ignorant loud-mouthed fake you are. Here's a clue...next time you feel the urge to spout off on a subject you really have no knowledge of, take both of your hands, insert them up your own ass, find your head, and pull it out until the urge to post passes.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST

    If you can get people to work for you...

    by Hipshot

    They're no better than you are. Disney created a look, a feel. Gathered great artists around him and created an atmosphere and creative ferment like none other than had ever, or has ever existed. People fought, clawed and gave up everything else in their lives to travel across the world to be in his environment. EVERY artist borrows or steals. I'm not sure Shakespeare ever told a single original story. Disney created the only movie studio for whom the public felt a sense of personal connection--built it from nothing. That "bottomless pocket" wasn't inherited. I have issues with Disney, but not for an instant would I take away what he created. As soon as he died, the Disney "magic" began to die, and it took decades to get it back, if indeed they ever did. There was something quite special about that man, and his dreams.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:46 a.m. CST

    breaking news: guy who runs company stops doing field work

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    yeah, Disney stopped animating at one point because, y'know, he had an empire to run. This whole talkback is filled with stupid.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST

    as for the 'magic' being lost - we refer to that as "eisner"

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    hes out now. It will take time to undo his fail

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Walt had JFK killed

    by disfigurehead

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    rsanta can tell us how his own ass tastes - cause he had his handed to him

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Beat down bitch Learn your facts before you post, and when you screw up the logic like saying that Walt can not be a genius for creating Mickey (which is undisputed genius) because he was based on a character that Walt created - well, you sound like an idiot - which you are. Are you perhaps related to sub_stupid off or six demon douchebag?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Happy.

    by leisuredrummer

    Not sure why but anything Disney or Universal makes me extremely happy.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    The irrational hatred some have for Walt

    by JackieJokeman

    is why we cant have nice things. Im glad that Walt Disney hate seems to be falling back out of fashion.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST

    I Miss Disney

    by eck_iii

    This will age me, but I remember looking forward to all things Disney. Now if it says Disney, I'm more apt to avoid it. The Disney Channel used to be watchable. Not any more. Their original programming is atrocious.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    I love how quick AICNers are to tell people to shut up.

    by cookepuss

    As if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion. Don't get me wrong. I'm not surprised that the lot of you gang up with your "fuck you"s and whatnot. That's what you, as a group, do. I'm sure that, individually and with a few exceptions, you're all smart and well mannered individuals. I'm not calling you guys, as individuals, idiots or anything. Collectively, AICNers tend to be a mob of angry degenerate a-holes, incapable of engaging in intelligent debate or seeing more than one side of anything. Again, I'm get that. That's what y'all do. That's part of the AICN charm. =) I knew that coming in 12 years ago. It just shocking how juvenile people can be at times. FTR, I too have been guilty of being part the degenerate a-hole AICN mob over the years too. No denying that. Guilty as charged. Just giving my opinion, however worthless you might perceive it to be.

  • Just look at their terrible track record with live action. If you look at their theatrical releases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disney_theatrical_feature_films) you'll see that a lot of the iffy-ness preceded Eisner's doings. As a company, Disney has had a lot more misses than hits. It's just that, when they hit, they hit BIG and all is seemingly forgotten. The number of Dumbos is generally outnumbered by the number of Shaggy Dogs and such. I don't know. Maybe that stuff appealed to that generation. At least the the stuff that stood the test of time is the stuff that actually mattered.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    rsanta - dude, shut the fuck up! That was the biggest 'ass-hurt' post I have seen in quite a while

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Dayuum! I mean, if you have been around as long as you say, then you should know that you take your fucking lumps like a man and don't whine like a bitch and don't pussy out and blame everyone else for your dumbass comments, and then compound the error by sounding like you were really butt-hurt by anonymous posts pointing out how stupid you sounded!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Unca Walt was not a nice person.

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    He was a union-busting, ruthlessly exploitative bigot with some rumored unsavory sexual habits. If audiences had known these things about him, they would have cost him his reputation and quite possibly his company. He also had some artistic talent, an good eye for that talent in others, telegenic personal manners and collossal ambition regarding his ideas about culture, art, American society and the world. If Disney was "guilty" of anything, it was the way he took a nascent entertainment technology with vast possibilities and defined it strictly as a children's medium, thereby stifling it's potential and impact, for decades. That influence is still strongly felt today, and we can only guess where animation might be if Disney's market power hadn't straitjacketed it for so long. The question of whether it was Disney's own corporate style or the armies of accountants and copyright lawyers that almost strangled the company in the 70's is something that will probably always be a matter of opinion. The notoriously invasive and over-reaching Disney contracts of that time are still a textbook example of how NOT to treat your creative teams. They were so greedy and restrictive that they made Jack Kirby's problems with Marvel look like a sweetheart deal. My fiancee used to work at a Disney Store several years ago, and, without warning, the Home Office screwed her and the entire nationwide sales crew sideways on stock options and benefits, while going out of their way to protect those same options for store management and supervisors. Papa Dizz was long gone by then, but the business culture he installed was still going strong. In all, the Disney brand has a few dozen genuine artistic triumphs that it can take credit for, and a far larger, much more loathsome record of unconscionable corporate behavior.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder -that may be true

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    But riding Test-Track wipes away all the loathsomeness!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Ub Iwerks probably drew the rat

    by Queefer Sutherland

    He was the Disney workhorse.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Fake! CGI!

    by Orionsangels

  • I _have_ been here 12 years. I had another nick though. I took a bunch of months off to work on a project and forgot my login info. It happens. Rather than pester admin, I thought it easier to simply start something fresh. Something that I COULD remember. =P As far as the "whine like a" thing goes, I had a response for quint, but promptly decided against posting it since I was a no win situation. I get that you guys think that I'm wrong. Made no sense for me to push an issue that didnt' need pushing. Y'all want to look the topic up yourself? Fine. You don't? Fine too. Look, it would be one thing if I was simply trolling about and posting swastikas like that dude above. I wasn't. I had an opinion. I expressed it, which is typically what one does on a board like this. You all disagreed. No big deal. Picking & choosing my battles, I moved away from the subject. End of story. If you look at my last post, it was simply in reference to the Eisner remark. Look, I'm a grown man with a thick skin. I'm not hurt in the least. It takes a lot more than that. However, I also don't feel the need to apologize for my opinions. You're free to believe what you want, as am I. Like they say, opinions are like a-holes. Everybody's got one and they all stink. Would you rather I have screamed insane profanity and posted racist stuff like other guys here? Who does that serve? Nobody. I'd get banned. Apparently, discourse that doesn't involve the "f" word isn't AICN appropriate. In the future, I'll stick to the usual "flames on optimus" or "bat-nipples" stuff that passes of conversation here. I'll shut up and won't address the aforementioned posts. Promise. Just do me a favor and afford me the same level of respect you feel that you yourself deserve. This is a society and we're not animals.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    You're an imbecile

    by AaronSch

    I don't know what else to call someone ho is so ignorant of animation history and Walt Disney's creative genius. I suppose you think Steve Jobs is a fraud as well? Go get a library card and read something.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    A more imaginative and creative storyteller in cinema history?

    by Ted Knight

    I think not.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Yada yada. Sorry. There is nobody else.

    by UltraTron

    Walt Disney created Disneyworld. The number 1 tourist destination on earth since it's inception. There is nothing else that needs to be said. He created a place where the art direction terminates into the skyline. Where there is nothing resembling your planet for the entire time you are inside the world. And he made Fantasia to boot. You simply can't name anyone to put up against that shit. That's as visionary genius as it will ever get.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    "CREATIVE"? "IMAGINATIVE"?

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    Bullshit. Disney's first twenty or so animated movies were all based on well-established fairy tales, known to kids all over the world for centuries. Disney HIRED a lot of creative and imaginative people, but he generally treated them like shit and took a lot of credit for work that they did. Fuck. He taught Martha Stewart the ROPES, man.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Pixar

    by Ladonite

    Just announced two new films. Where the hell is our coverage?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    rsanta - I was a bit too harsh with my criticism of youse

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    I still think your post sounded butt-hurt, but I admit that the true originator of oswald and mickey was mostly Iwerks - even if walt made initial sketches for mickey. Still as has been said, iwerks gave mickey his physical look, but it was walts voice and personality that made mickey a star. And the genius of the man cannot be debated . Yup, he built it on the backs of others, but he did build it when no one else did.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Half-baked-goggle-box you sure sound bitter

    by Dave underwood

    Maybe the experience with your fiancé has soured you on all things Disney? His first twenty or so movies were based on well established fairy tales? Even if that were true, putting them in cartoon form to reach a worldwide audience is wrong? Fantasia, Dumbo, The Three Caballeros, Lady and the Tramp, 101 Dalmations...these were all known to kids around the world for centuries? Really? A bigot? I guess you've heard that rumor over the years but don't actually have any proof to back it up. And "rumored unsavory sexual habits" Give me a break.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Wonderful of Disney, later Walt Disney's Wonderful of Color

    by MrShootist

    not The Magical World of Disney

  • ...and as Hollywood has shown us, any idiot can make a good adapted screenplay and movie, right?

  • So much of the entertainment we take for granted was invented by Disney. Walt Disney invented the sound cartoon, with Steamboat Willie. He invented the feature-length cartoon film with Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. He invented the main techniques of commercial animation. He invented entertainment merchandising with his amazingly successful promotion of Mickey. He practically invented family television entertainment. The audience for his Disneyland show was HUGE at a time when there was almost nothing else on. Walt f'n Disney invented the nature documentary. He invented the theme park as we know it with Disneyland in California. I'm sorry but you are just a sad cynic if you can't recognize the creativity, imagination and I'll even say the innovation of Walt Disney. Your' just a misinformed sad curmudgeon who needs to investigate the man a little more. Try reading a few biographies. I'd say that James B. Stewart's book "Disney War" is amazing to read. It's a real page turner. I like Bob Thomas the most. Or if your illiterate or lazy watch the DVD biography "Walt - The Man Behind the Myth (2001)". It's very good.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Me? "BITTER"?

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    YOU pay ten bucks for a cold hot dog and a lukewarm Coke at "The Happiest Place On Earth", and then we'll discuss "bitter" - OK? Let's see here... "Snow White" - Author(s) unknown, collected by The Brothers Grimm, 1812 "Pinnochio" - Carlo Collodi, Italy, 1883 "Fantasia" - Used classical music instead of classical characters "Dumbo" - Helen Aberson, 1930's "Bambi" - Felix Salten, 1923 "Cinderella" - Author(s) unknown, collected by the Brothers Grimm, 1812 "Alice In Wonderland", "Peter Pan", "The Jungle Book", "Sleeping Beauty", "The Wind In The Willows", "Winnie The Poo", "The Little Mermaid" - Need I go on? Hell, the reasons Disney went after those stories were because they were already familiar to most consumers, AND the rights were cheap (or non-existent). Walt Disney was a ruthless businessman first, and an artistic visionary a DISTANT second. A sentimental refusal to see him as such only underlines the dangerous abilities of fairy tales and wishful thinking to distort - Or indeed, REPLACE - Reality. Drink the Disney Kool-Aid, kiddies....NOTHING BAD CAN HAPPEN TO YOU THEN.....

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    A pro Nazi pedaphile and his bland toon rat

    by Geektard_Smasher

    Only in America can this shit be beloved. And don't get my started on adults with no kids who go to Disneyland. Fucking creepos.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Rsanta

    by ditkaman

    Disney Created Oswald the Rabbit Dumb Ass. It was essentially stolen from him

  • Weep for the present, people. In the 60's you could see gorgeous billboards for The Jungle Book all over the place and now, it's what... RIO the purple toucan? Russell Brand as the Easter Bunny who shits colored jelly beans?? You morons can talk about how he "ripped off fairy tales" but there was a charm, an eye for detail, a craftsmanship and class in those movies that hasn't been seen in the days since Tron, Dragonslayer... when the stockbrokers suits moved in and took over. Walt knew a good story, and many of the properties they took from, like Poppins, or Winnie the Pooh were barely a glimmer in the American consiousness before he found them. This is the first man to see the potential for filming a ROALD DAHL story, before the man had even WRITTEN a single book for children. Are you telling me that's not brilliant in its way? Pixar. Bah. they ripped off the Brave Little Toaster for their "academy award winning movie"... they had to pay off Grateful Dead artist Stanley Mouse for ripping off his design for a character in Monsters Inc. There are more stories like this circulating... LOOK IT UP. First Disney decided to shift their production line onto computers, to sappy Broadway music productions and then it all went downhill. REAL downhill. Cinderella 3 downhill. After Home on the Range those fools literally said "We are shutting down our animation department." Why does shit like this happen? Because of use-one-and-dispose-of children's entertainment. Like the Smurfs. (You think any kid is going to grow up twenty years from now and look fondly at their Smurfs-in-toilet movie??) Because things in the realm of kids entertainment aren't worthy somehow of actual critical appraisal and celebration? And Walt DID draw. Many, many of his sketches survive to this day. But he was like Matt Groenig or Jim Henson. He moved onto the bigger picture and his characters outgrew his control. Have you ever seen Jim Henson's drawings?? They look like something from an eight year old kid. Walt's biggest gift was as an idea man, in a supervisory capacity, bringing the most talented people together to realize something truly magical and captivating. That world is DEAD. It went to Wacom tablets, computers, overseas to Indian animators willing to work below our minimum wage. And it's BULLSHIT. Someone goddamn should have raised hell about this shit- http://celebritywonder.ugo.com/wp/The_Jungle _Book_2_Wallpaper_2_1024.jpg The last credits for Paul Newman, George Carlin, and Dennis Hopper before they died? Shitty CGI cartoons. Enough already. If you CARE about any of this, please join "rights for cartoons" on Facebook.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Eisner on viewing what the animators originally had in mind with Tangled:

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

    That's great guys!! Now can you do it in CGI?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    the Sony execs on Smurfs:

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

    That's great!! Now can we get the smurfs on Skateboards with sunglasses? Maybe a scene where they jam on Guitar Hero with America's favorite snarky sitcom guy Neil Patrick Harris??

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Drink the Disney Kool-Aid?

    by Dave underwood

    Wow, I feel sorry for you man. There are plenty of films that are based on known fairy tales, and plenty that aren't. Not sure what's wrong with taking an old story and updating it with a new (at the time) medium for a new generation.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    geektard_smasher

    by Dave underwood

    Not really worth the effort to respond to your retarded statement, but if you're going to call someone a pedophile, at least spell it correctly.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Half-baked, you are full of shit

    by FeralAngel

    Walt never aimed his animation at children. He said he aimed it at audiences. That's why his movies, such as Pinocchio and Lady and the Tramp, are still loved today. Was Fantasia a children's film for god's sake? Walt refined and stretched the medium of animation from a novelty into an art form. He didn't limit the medium, he transfigured it. If you don't like his stuff, fine, but don't be a douche and say he hurt the medium. He was to animation what Rembrandt was to portraiture. As for those rumors he was an antiSemite or not nice or whatever, there are books and testimonials that contain very different views by people who worked with him and people who lived with him. I'll take their word over yours, thanks.

  • CINEMA. Meaning it leaves and breathes and bounds fully conscious off the celluloid. Prometheus Vs. PRO-tools. Those little movies that influenced scads of young artists... Many of whom later grew up and wanted to work at Disney, only to be told "Oh, we don't DO that anymore." With CGI movies I spend so much time being distracted by their brand of hip fully-immersive visuals that I can't even concentrate on the story. And let's not talk about the fact that they all seem to be brightly lit with the same colors they use to test-market plastic beach pails to toddlers. Forget it. I might as well be talking to a brick wall.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST

    I hear you, sasquatch

    by FeralAngel

    I saw Fantasia again a couple of months ago via Netflix streaming, and even in that faded, semi-pixellated form, that movie is DAMN. When you think about all that beauty that was NOT done with computer but by hand with pencil and brush, it just blows the mind. The Nutcracker Suite segment is just unbelievable. And Night on Bald Mountain, holy shit. No way CGI can capture that kind of color and flow and life and magic. Makes me weep, it does. Seriously, it does. Because that art form is largely lost to us now.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 1 a.m. CST

    Walt wanted to elevate animation

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    Late in his life, Walt was interviewed by a staff writer, and Walt related an incident that took place in his formative years. Walt was riding back to Los Angeles from Chicago, and in the dining car of the train, he struck up a conversation with another fellow traveller. The man asked Walt what Walt did for a living, and Walt told him he was in the picture business. The man perked up noticeably. "Oh?" he said, "My brother is in the picture business. What do you do?" "I make animated cartoons." Walt answered. "Oh." the man said, in such a flat and unimpressed way, there was no mistaking his opinion of the "cartoon" business. This incident stuck with Walt. "I might as well have said, 'I sweep the latrines'." he later said. This happened in the late 20's, but it still nagged Walt almost until the day he died. You see, Walt wasn't interested in sweeping latrines, and he wasn't interested in producing program filler. He embarked on a personal quest to elevate the animated medium, shattering many of the established rules, and demanding an atmosphere of creative collaboration and openness. His methods and passion took animation from a soundless colorless medium in early 1928 to the first full length feature animated film (with multiplane photography, no less) to Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs in only NINE YEARS. From Steamboat Willie to Snow White. Little over nine years. Walt took all the merchandising money and poured it back into the company, paying the highest wages for animators in the entire industry, often taking losses on experimental shorts. Walt Disney did not "ghettoize" animation...the "funny papers" had already done that, establishing the idea that drawn slapstick daily "cartoons/comics" were either intended for the very young, or for the illiterate. Walt did not invent animation, he did not invent the preconceived ideas about animation when he entered into the medium. Those already existed. Walt exploited the youth angle where it suited him, but he took the merchandies profits and channeled them to higher purposes. The refinement of drawn acting, the codification of character animation, the breakthroughs in dramatic storytelling, the drive to abandon gags in favor of true beauty, or even surrealism...this was the destination Walt envisioned. "This is NOT the cartoon medium!" he snapped during a story meeting on the Ave Maria sequence of Fantasia. "Animation should not be limited to CARTOONS! We have WORLDS to conquer here!" He was deep into production of two other films at this time, namely the great Pinocchio, and the stellar character animation benchmark known as Bambi. He'd follow those up with the deathly serious (and violent)Victory Through Air Power, not to mention shorts like "Education for Death", but the writing for Walt's adult-minded animation was on the wall. Pinocchio, Fantasia, and Bambi all failed to recoup their budgets at the box office. Walt maintained a high standard for later animated films (notably Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland, Lady and the Tramp, and Sleeping Beauty) but he rarely tried to tip the scales into the "mostly adult" arena again. You'll see some of that old ambition in his inspiring and eerily prescient space films (especially the great Mars and Beyond), and of course in live action films like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (2nd film shot in CinemaScope, 1st fantasy film shot in scope). Throughout his life, Walt tried to defend himself from charges his films were too frightening for children, particularly Snow White. His answer? "Snow White is not a children's film. We don't make movies for children. Our most important audience member is the free-thinking adult." The worst thing to happen to American animation, in terms of "ghettoizing" the art form into the stigma of children's entertainment, was Saturday morning television. Suddenly, old Looney Tunes cartoons that sailed over the heads of most of the children in the country were now directly branded "children's entertainment". Howdy Doody aired old cartoons during his kiddie show. So did Bozo the Clown. So did the Mickey Mouse Club. For decades, television presented the idea that animation was intended for children. After fighting that meme, and losing, Walt tried to strike a balance. The late Roy Disney said, "The critics came and said, Walt Disney is trying to be more than he is, and it was very painful for him, and in many ways, I think it affected the rest of his life, in a commercial sense. Walt said, Okay, I know where the line is now between me and the critics and the world of art, and I'm going to have to do what I can make money at, and make this more of a business, as opposed to an art. For me, Fantasia holds up as probably the best film Walt ever did. That's my own personal opinion, people will come up to me and say Snow White or Pinocchio or Peter Pan or a lot of things. But for me, Fantasia was the one film that said, this medium is not fuh--fooling around. This medium is an art."

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Timm has a book coming out with his sexy pinup girls.

    by Dennis_Moore

    Approach with caution at a con, though. He is often like Wilder Wonka in his office at the end of the movie.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Never in my life...

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    ..have I heard of Walt proclaiming "I feel so LIMITED by cartoons, and I wish to DESTROY THE CLICHES AND THE PRECONCEPTIONS OF MY AUDIENCES, and show them JUST WHAT ANIMATION IS CAPABLE OF!" Nope, I haven't. I've run into plenty of Disney fetishists and apologists who CLAIM that he felt that way, but for a guy who had his hand on the wheel - If not his heel on the throats - of his company, he sure as shit never pushed as hard as you claim he was capable of to advance and redefine the medium. He created the full-length animated movie, yes - Just as Henry Ford created the assembly line - And I think that they both saw a sure thing, after they succeeded, were scared of taking REAL chances, and stuck with what they knew. Everything I've ever heard was that it the WRITERS and the ANIMATORS and the ARTISTS who told Walt, "There's SO MUCH MORE that we could do with this stuff!" and it always Walt who put the brakes on. A man who truly respected art and talent would NOT have put contractual balls & chains on his crew, forbidding them to even THINK about anything that might disturb the Disney status quo. He let the bean counters and licensed-property greedheads run wild, while bad-mouthing and reprimanding the true sources of his success, letting them chafe at the bit while he built his little empire. In the long run, hundreds of years from now, Disney will be seen as the guy who popularized animation, but it was European and Japanese animators who dragged it kicking and screaming out of the kiddie-park abattoir, and let it bloom.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Responsible for the creation of audio/animatronic robots,

    by UltraTron

    Pinochio, Fantasia(sorry but no European animator or even the Fleishers approached those), themed parks all over the world which transport you to another place unlike anything you've seen and hated Jews to boot. What's not to love? And let's not forget the air conditioned rooms filled with pretty girls inking away.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    You've no evidence, half-baked

    by FeralAngel

    Dude, you have failed to back up any of your claims with anything like evidence. What, are you mad at poor ol' Uncle Walt because of the union debacle, which he took too personally but still did not deserve the "slavedriver" image union organizers tried to paint of him? Or are you mad that he stuck to his sensibilities and didn't like the work of more "modern" animation houses like UPA, even though some of his animators reportedly were big fans of the UPA's style? (Incidentally, have you ever heard of UPA? Then you're one of the few people in this day and age who have.) When critics started praising UPA's spare and spartan animation and sneering at Disney's, Walt shot back with "Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom", a limited-animation cartoon short that out-UPA'd UPA and won an Oscar. Then, having proven his point - that he was quite capable of creating what *critics* liked if he so chose - Walt returned to the kind of animation he preferred - the full, lush, beautiful animation that audiences still love today, whereas UPA's output has been relegated mostly to the dustbins of history. And as for letting "licensed-property greedheads run wild", that is simply ridiculous. Walt kept a firm hand on how his characters were to be used for merchandising. Walt once chewed out one of his marketing people for letting a Disney property be used to sell beer. That story's in the excellent and highest-rated Disney biography by Bob Thomas, and the actual letter Walt wrote about the beer incident still exists. So again, your portrayal of Walt simply goes against the evidence. I repeat: if you don't like Walt's stuff, fine, but saying things like he was all about money, and that Japanese anime improved on Disney's output and made animation more "adult", is absurd beyond belief, especially given the fact that one of anime's first popular producers, Osamu Tezuka, creator of Astro Boy, worshipped Disney, was heavily influenced by him and aspired to his success. There can be little doubt that Walt's influence is multi-generational and worldwide, and that there are few animation studios anywhere that in some way haven't been inspired by him. Now I'm off the soapbox now. I'm not going to act like a MrGray and stalk your posts. Rave on, dude.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Never said that Disney didn't influence anybody.

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    Hell, I wanted to get into animation because of Disney and Warner Brothers. But, while it sounds like you're much better read on pro-Disney lit, that doesn't mean that the Disney detractors have nothing to say. Besides, your "UPA" riff points out EXACTLY what I'm talking about: Disney COULD have expanded animations' parameters and scope, but he stuck with what he knew - And made the most money from. Again - Unca Walt was a BUSINESS visionary, not an ARTISTIC visionary. His artistic tastes & choices always played it safe, while others took real chances with content and style. Yes, Saturday morning shit-toons just about took animation to the bottom of the barrel - And Walt almost let the accountants shut his animation shop down when they wouldn't lower their standards to the same "cost-saving" level as Hanna-Barbera. I'd always heard that it was a quiet revolt amongst the staff that made him change his mind - Not that he'd given their opinions much weight at any time before. Perhaps if Walt hadn't let cartoons stand as kiddie bait, and challenged his audience a bit more, they might not have accepted the dogshit that H/B and Filmation spewed out. Perhaps the adults you insist he was aiming at would've raised a stink about the crap on Saturday mornings, instead of going "Oh, it's alright - They're JUST CARTOONS - They're KID STUFF." Bottom line - Disney had the creative staff, but held them back to a house standard that brooked no experimentation or exploration, except in the TECHNIQUES used - Not the direction of animation itself as an art form. Put it this way: Rembrandt, Rockwell or Wyeth might've gotten along okay at Disney, but Picasso, Dali and Pollock wouldn't've lasted long.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    When you see people hating on Walt Disney

    by KilliK

    you can bet they didnt have happy childhoods.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    =Pixar. Bah. they ripped off the Brave Little Toaste=

    by KilliK

    so fucking true.i love Pixar but Toys was not that original,it owes a lot to that less known animation.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    [i]Perhaps if Walt hadn't let cartoons stand as kiddie bait, and challenged his audience a bit more, they might not have accepted the dogshit that H/B and Filmation spewed out.[/i] Doubtful, when his competitors were all to eager to exploit the idea. What can Walt Disney do about The Flintstones running in prime time for over a decade? What can he do about all other works of animation relegated to Saturday mornings? He damn near lost his studio making films like Fantasia, Bambi, and Victory Through Air Power, and Alice in Wonderland and Sleeping Beauty also flopped - what was he supposed to do? Also your beloved Japanese animators have been cranking out their fare share of kid-oriented garbage for decades now. Thousands upon thousands of hours of it, in fact. Even the great Miyazaki has made largely family films - like Walt. Your arguments are specious, and not founded in fact.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST

    @half-baked

    by Free Squares

    Put it this way: Rembrandt, Rockwell or Wyeth might've gotten along okay at Disney, but Picasso, Dali and Pollock wouldn't've lasted long.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    @half-baked

    by Free Squares

    Dali actually DID work with Disney. See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2vfab6UNpM

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    Walt pulled the plug on Destino - sadly - when it became apparent the short was going nowhere and Dali had decided to revamp the whole thing all over again. Walt really wanted Dali to come onboard an animated version of Don Quixote, and so Walt fed Dali's ego, while Dali spent months tinkering with Destino but producing nothing firm and tangible. I give props to Roy for stitching together all the loose ends from the original breakdown and salvaging what would have remained in the animation morgue until the end of days, but Dali seems to have pla

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    Absolutely love Hanna Barbera minimalism. Yeah,

    by Dennis_Moore

    they cranked out their fair share of dogshit, but much of it was brilliant, often far more edgy than their competitors. And HB influenced Tartakovsky and McCracken.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    The best time to go to Disneyland is Halloween through X-Mas

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    When they redecorate the park in a "Nightmare Before Christmas" theme and the Haunted Mansion is turned into a "Nightmare" themed ride.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Oh and the Muppet attraction in California Adventure

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    Is pretty much the best thing, ever.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Goddammit.

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    This may be what I'm talking about in a nutshell. You guys are making nonsensical straw man arguments: I NEVER SAID THAT ALL ANIME WAS ADULT-ORIENTED - YOU did. Sure there's lotsa kiddie anime, but it's in no way ALL kiddie stuff. Think ol' Walt would've EVER given the green light to "Akira" or "Ghost In The Shell"? Guess again. The Japanese market has ALWAYS treated the artistic possibilities of animation with a hell of a lot more respect than Disney or Disney-conditioned American audiences ever have. Disney's competitor's couldn't have exploited a child-oriented market, IF DISNEY HADN'T CREATED IT FIRST. Warner Bros. "Looney Tunes" treated animation in a FAR more adult fashion than Disney did, and kids AND adults loved 'em - Slapstick pratfalls, yeah, but plenty of high-brow in-jokes and surrealistic gags that Walt would have never allowed out the door. It was the notorious bad money management and short-sightedness of Warner Brothers' animation bosses that pulled the plug on "Looney Tunes", not a lack of audience interest. Now - Let me see if I have this straight - Free Square, you quote me, "Dali wouldn't have lasted long", like I was wrong, and then you prove me right with your post, about how Dali and Disney having a falling out. WTF...? Exactly what was your point again? Look, Franken - "The Flintstones" lasted half what you claim - six years, not over a decade. THAT was a cartoon aimed at adults, not children - Yeah, the dinosaur gags got the kids in, but the references to modern suburban living, keeping up with the Joneses, careers, consumerism, married life, raising kids; Both "The Flintstones" and The Jetsons" were animated riffs on "The Honeymooners" - Again, NOT a children's show. They both proved that there WAS an audience for adult-oriented animated material - And Walt chose to ignore it, and kept cranking out kid stuff. And both "Flintstones" and "Jetsons" were still 'way sub-par animation, compared to what Disney was capable of. They simply had adult CONCEPTS, which allowed adults to trade off on the c-grade animation. That COULD explain why parents turned a careless eye to how bad H/B got when the Saturday morning garbage onslaught began (Maybe it was H/B's brand recognition - A "Flintstones"/"Jetsons" meta joke about blind consumerism if there ever was one), but none of that had ANYTHING to do with Walt Disney.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Felix the Cat predates Walt

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    "Walt created child-centric animation"? No, you slobbering idiot. It existed before his first Alice cartoon. Felix the Cat. Out of the Inkwell. Funny papers. People like you make me sick - you don't know what you're talking about, but you think if you say it with enough foce, you'll cower people into silence. You don't know what you're talking about. Do me a favor and go read up on Felix the Cat and the animated films of Max Fleischer, then come back and apologize, you incredible putz.