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See Two Of The AVENGERS Fighting Side By Side In Cleveland New York!! Now With THOR -vs- Car!! And More Whedon Boom!!

Merrick here...

An AICN reader sent in this message and video from THE AVENGERS shoot in Cleveland.  

Here is the latest from the shoots from downtown Cleveland via Medical Mutual building.
Next week is Public Square here subbing for Germany. Scarlett Johansson seen in town for next week.


 I know Cap's suit is different in this film (image HERE), but I sure did love THE FIRST AVENGER and thought he looked pretty badass in that costume.  Which reminds me:  have you seen THIS figure from Hot Toys?  Same folks who brought us the Superman figure we were looking at a few weeks ago.  SO cool.  

Reader Angelo Pappas just sent this in...Thor.  Car.  Mess.  


Footage of the filming of  a building explosion from the film can be found on the Medical Mutual Facebook page, HERE.  


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  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST



  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST


    by CornNut007

    I hope the AVENGERS is better then the last few Marvel movies (besides the last X-Men). Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man 2 just didn't satisfy.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Too soon!

    by Ditko

    No, wait...that's another meme.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    2 Avengers were flash mobbed!

    by nolan bautista

    another typical day in Manhattan

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Nice stuff

    by OSAMP1

    Who would have thought? Captain America in a fight scene lasting more than a few seconds.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Fantastic! SO who are they fighting?

    by xevioso5

    So this should actually give us a clue specifcally who the baddies are in this. I know there have been rumors but nothing confirmed. Who are these guys? Is this part of the Skree (or whatever they are called) storyline, or are these Loki's minions?

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    stolen items:

    by nolan bautista

    one shield one hammer

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    In other news, Ghost Rider pisses fire.

    by Doctor_Strangepork

    Really, Marvel...get fucked.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST


    by ThurstonOne

    I'm starting to wonder if they're not turning a blind eye to a little bit of this so as to keep up the hype over the course of the next year. They do have a Batman movie to contend with after all. That and, well, in this day and age you can't stop the signal.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Looks like Cap threw his shield down at the end. Klutzy?

    by xevioso5

    Why would he do that? Didn't look like an accident.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Batman would take em both!

    by connor187


  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by nolan bautista

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by nolan bautista

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by OSAMP1

    CGI will probably have the shield being thrown at a baddie. He just had to get it out of his hand. Or maybe its just a bad take. CUT!!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    never mind..

    by nolan bautista

    Harry! Edit button please..

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Thor: "Goddamnit, where are my keys???!"

    by Squinty CGI Flynn

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Those are ether Skrulls or Hydra troops.

    by the Green Gargantua

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    my dicks hard

    by ryan


  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    No double parking!

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    Looks like Hydra's minions to me. Getting so pumped for this! Please don't fuck it up Joss!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    hope they are fighting some aliens

    by Rupee88

    Probably just some of Loki's dudes which would not be as good but I'll take it...I think it's going to be a fun film if it's not too goofy to be enjoyable like GL.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Regarding security...

    by Horace Cox

    Both Avengers and TDKR are being filmed in the middle of major cities, including during business hours in central business districts. They cannot evacuate a fucking city just to shoot some scenes for fuck's sake.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    It's like Lundgren's Masters of the Universe, but better?

    by CodeName

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    You just gotta love old-school Special FX!

    by AshMcQ

    Fuck most of that CGI-Crap.

  • It's great to see this (if you squint your eyes, you can almost imagine it's news-helicopter footage of actual super hero fighting in our world...). They both look great and move well. Evens looks a lot better without that stupid helmet-thing on. Thor would look better in the outfit we saw in the teaser instead of this "armor", but oh well. Nice to see some reasonably large-scale full-on fighting. But while it's great to see Thor and Cap fighting side by side (and it is great... think how long we've waited to see hero team-ups on screen), I'm still thinking... THOR isn't there to fight the baddies that Cap can fight. If Cap can take these baddies, then THOR needs to be somewhere else, fighting tougher baddies. Don't get me wrong, I want as much of the team fighting together as they can. (And seeing the two of them here makes me wonder if this is one of the pair-off-and-spread-out-across-the-globe plots that was often used in the old Avengers comics.) But I want to see Thor do more than just fight cars and Stormtroopers. Thor, Hulk and Iron Man need Big Work. But so far, so good, everyone. This and Hobbit are neck-and-neck for the films I'm most excited about for next year.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    If this doesn't get you pumped, you're a JOYLESS FECKTARD

    by 3D-Man

    That's all there is to it.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST

    MAKE MINE MARVEL!!! really stoked to see this. 2012 rite?

    by space doughnut

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Reminds me of Alex Ross's 'Marvels'

    by Ladonite

    A bit... The idea that these guys are out fighting minions while the public watches from the roof. So when is Marvel going to throw $10mil at a thoughtful director to show the other perspective of this entire thing. It wouldn't require much effects, it's more of a human story than most of the other superhero fare. There's money to be made. Imagine something like Monsters set in New York while the Marvel universe has a huge event in another film. Kind of like this one. Heck, shoot them at the same time to save money. But I'm just pissing in an alleyway with this one really, if they do it I don't think enough people would understand.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Based on all the footage

    by Geektard_Smasher

    Avengers is going to hand Dark Knights it's ass. Great looking stuff, unlike that buzzkill Bane shit we've seen.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Looks like Thor knock Cap out in the smoke.

    by Smashing

    Hilarious, 8-)

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by Darth Busey

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    ladonite: like your idea

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    Would be great to see as a short on the Blu-Ray. Joss, make it happen!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST


    by logosicon

    Power levels on the four main Avengers works out to be Thor>Hulk>Iron Man>Cap. Thor will ALWAYS be the heaviest hitter of the group. I think there is a emotional symmetry to having Cap (displaced warrior) being teamed-up with Thor (displaced warrior). Stark and Banner are men of science (with daddy issues). Interestingly enough, the practical needs of the actual filming of the Avengers might force the two MOSTLY CGI'd characters to be paired-up, Stark in the Iron Man SUIT and Banner HULKED-OUT. Hugo

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Thor should go to Pittsburg and rip Batman in half

    by picardsucks

    Batman is a pussy

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Looks brilliant, but a bit worrying that Cap has his mask off

    by BenBraddock

    It really bugs me that all (i think, at least 3) of the posters for CAPTAIN AMERICA featured Cap without his mask! WTF? It's like they were ashamed of having a masked superhero in their movie. I hope it's not gonna be the case here. Anyway, can't wait, this footage is amazing!!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    About them Skrulls......

    by spandyman

    As much of a dream as it would be to have the Skrulls in this almost feels like these are Chitauri instead. For those of you that didn't read The Ultimates, they are super similar to Skrulls but have more of a reptilian-ish look which would explain all the sweet motion caputre grey suit dudes. In the first Ultimates the story line basically revolves around these guys trying to take over the world, they were part of the Nazi's (or it could be Hydra in the film universe) so Cap know one of their leaders as they are also shape shifters..... Seems logical!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Captain America wears a mask

    by BenBraddock

    Last time I checked.

  • Wow. I'm Shocked.

  • is banal.I expected something more original and creative from Whedon.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Question: Post-AVENGERS, will THOR 2 and IRON MAN 3 have


    explicit references to the titular characters' duties with the Avengers?

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    The Skrulls are going to be mere 'cannon fodder.'


    If Whedon and Co. really want to shake shit up to make them more than that, they should kill one or two Avengers in the big battle. I'm thinking Hulk and Black Widow. Not like they're going to be franchised, right? Besides, it'll open the door for other Marvel characters to join up. More franchising possibilities, more toy dollars.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Ah Killik, you're just doing a schtick

    by D.Vader

    I get it now =P.

  • Can't wait

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Looks like cap is swinging something after he drops his shield

    by cockdiesel

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST


    by 2soon2eat

    Don't sell cap short. He's taken on Hulk before.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Thor>Hulk>Iron Man>Cap???? WTF??

    by 2soon2eat

    Dude, HULK is strongest one there is. Hulk get angrier = Hulk get stronger That being said, you idea of pairing up team members for emotional and budgetary reasons is brilliant. I think Stark egging on Banner to become Hulk, and then dealing with the consequences of that could be good fun. I'm sure Cap and Tony will have their own emotional arc to follow. Wouldn't be suprised if that mirrored the over all story the film tells. They seem the most likely to be at odds.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Have to agree - this street fight looks about as epic as an episode of Tenspeed and Brownshoe. I do hope this is not indicative of the entire film - cux, like I have a good run of Avengers beginning with issue issue #1 , and I am hoping for Something that resembles the comics, in some way- the costumes are not bad.

  • Thor is hitting a car so it flips over. Cap is down on the ground. See?

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    @killik: "not epic enough"

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    It's one sequence from the movie, a scene which probably will be full of aliens and space ships. Lots of CG additions in any case. And you see it being shot from far, with a handheld camera up in some building. Jesus. That was dumb!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    My post disappeared...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...but I said that the new Cap costume looks better in motion than it does in still shots. And I wondered what the deal with the faded, almost invisible star on his back is.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    killik is Greek.


    What do Greeks know about epics?

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    by EnigmaRayne

    Look closely they look like they are fighting a horde of comic book Nick Fury's, or SHEILD agents.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    The men fighting Thor & Cap

    by corporategohan616

    Are they wearing CG-Screen suits? If so, this gives you a big indicator its going to be Skrulls or another race of soldiers who dont exactly come off as human by nature.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST




  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    How did they make that car flip? Hydrolics or cable?

    by Quake II

    I watched it a few times and I can't figure out what's making it flip. I have to assume that an actual mystical hammer was used on set for that stunt.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Mo-cap suits...

    by Mo_Rephus

    Those guys Cap & Thor are fighting are probably "stand-ins" for the Skrulls. They're wearing mo-cap suits.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Insurance doesn't cover acts of god.

    by Prem1x

    Car didn't stand a chance

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    carl xvi gustaf

    by mcgoocain

    But, unless that scene is cut from the film, it this scene being filmed look rather small and the fight choreography looks pretty damn typical. Like you, I am hoping for grand scale SF elements that we have yet to see on the screen- you know, like, why not at least try to approximate the comic book sweeping grandness to give us something more than fist fights.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST


    by NorthTronic

    I'M EXCITED!!!!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Car flip is by cable...

    by Darth Macchio

    There's a pale blue cable connected to the car over the roof - it's likely a steel cable hooked to a powerful wench - capable of quickly yanking a car (likely with no engine or real interior, etc, to cut down on weight) and flipping it. I didn't hear the hammer hit the car but how flippin sweet would it be to have that car rigged up and hit it with a nice heavy hammer not unlike Mjolnir and having the car you hit actually going flying off flipping thru the air? Part of the fun of portraying these characters I would hope!!!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by spidercoz

    AWESOMESAUCE! My inner fanboy is squealing like a little girl.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Cap and Thor fighting back to back...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...what could be bad? I love Halloween, STUFFing day, Xmas along with the spring renewal...but I'm aching to see some of my favorite heroes fighting together. If I could time jump...I think I might. ...really hope Whedon's up to this.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Corinthian Leather and Asgardian Glass

    by Primogen

    Thor's hammer hit that car squarely in the passenger side window with enough force to flip the car over several times but without the glass shattering.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Thor's hammer from the comics would have that car split in twon and sailing through the air. Oh well so much for comic book spectacle and physics. A car flipping over a couple times is tv movie level blandness. I do want this to be a great film - hoping there will be bigger, somewhere, in this film. Marvel comics made their mark for being rooted in reality but soaring with the spectacular powers of it's superheroes.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Thor fighting CGI crazies?

    by professor murder

    Immediately after THOR knocks over the car, he turns around attempting to swing his hammer again, but from what we see, nothing is behind him, and the smoke covers up the rest. Hmmmm, so he probably hit the car at some unknown beast, then turned to wallop the other. Meanwhile, Cap is feeling jealous that he is only a super soldier instead of a God. heheh

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    THAT footage looks great!!!

    by thecheesegrommit

    And I finally saw Captain America today (I know I'm a bad geek) I felt it is possibly my favorite super hero film of all, yeah I said it. EXCELLENT!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    cap's 'jerkin' off'


    i saw that too- funny- either he is signalling to cut, or telling thor it's a wrap (telling him it's a cut, maybe can't hear) or they are going to cgi him swinging a chain...or.....he's simply doing a jerk off sign to make hemsworth slip up and laugh

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    So the guy responsible for Alien Resurrection

    by lookylookymoontard

    is doing this? Bwaahahahahahhahaha! A shit sandwich sounds more appealing!,this will be dog shit people,might as well deal with it now. You'll be able to hear the collective cries and screams from all the fanboys opening night for miles around,might make for a good documentary actually...hmmm

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Simply badassssssss! This movie is going to rock!

    by kbarber29

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    fuck, it is refreshing to see actual THINGS happen


    in real time, in real ife, outdoors, with real things. have CG budgets become too big now that directors are shooting practical again? i'm impressed by this. if lucas or anyone else were doing something like this, it would be in a greenscreen gym, and the actors running around fighting greenscreen guys around a green paded obstacle course. and thor's cape would be animated.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Thor is stronger than the Hulk

    by Detached

    Stan Lee himself said so. He ought to know.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    no question in my mind now, this is a massive SKRULL battle/invasion

    by awepittance

  • I would shit myself.

  • Well, to each their own. Maybe in the grand finale, he'll fight a pickup truck.

  • He gets massively stronger the angrier he gets. Seems that if Thor finished a fight with him early enough, Thor would get the nod, but if it takes a while, Hulk would overwhelm him. In all the comic battles I've seen between them, they drag it out to a draw to make a point of how unbelievably tough they are. Maybe newer comics have cleared it up, but since 95% of all comic writing in this century is laughably awful, I wouldn't trust such a verdict. Of course with Thor, you get all the powers of the hammer, flight, etc. With Hulk, you get unreasoning brutality on an unlimited scale - no restraint. So yeah, they better have more than cars and stormtrooper Skrulls to fight.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    @2soon2eat, not selling Cap short

    by kevred

    Believe me, I've read enough comics to know what he's capable of. But there's a huge gap of capability between Cap and Thor. I'm just hoping we get each character pushed to their limits, not a bunch of fights scaled down to the weakest of the group. I'm assuming it's an incredibly obvious concept to the filmmakers and I have no reason for concern. And, I love what we're seeing so far and think this is going to be so fun to see. Just thinking out loud.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST


    by lucky slevin

    yes. found footage super hero movie time bitches!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    @detached Stan Lee has the said that Thor is the

    by KilliK

    strongest non-mortal super-hero on Earth.i dont think that he has ever specified that he is also stronger than Hulk.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    @the_choppah apart from inventing the word?

    by KilliK


  • Aug. 19, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST


    by 2soon2eat

    I bet Cap will initially be seen as the weak link. It's like the beginning of Captain America TFA all over again! He didn't back down to bullies before, and he won't back down to enemies that are vastly superior to him now. Stark and Thor will go from being a bit contemptuous of him, to growing respect, to open admiration at the end. He'll be become (more or less) their leader at the end of Act III. Throw in some bro hugs and high fives and roll the mother fucking credits!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Did anyone feel that Cap was less "super" than he should have been?

    by the Green Gargantua

    He was strong and stuff, but not as super human as he appears in the funny pages..

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Who they are fighting.

    by Thorsbiggestfan

    Those look like the blue and whites of s.h.i.e.l.d. agents. Also, When Hulk first changes Thor IS stronger, but The Hulk can easily get stronger than Thor as a fight drags on. Just some lifetime nerd clarification there.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Goons look like 60's shield agents

    by Sean

    The dark blue suits with the white gloves, boots and straps, they may just be some type of mocap suit from this distance but it looks like Cap and Thor are wailing on a bunch of white 60's Nick Fury clones. That that was kind of funny. The practical bit of FX with the car was great, I love that it sounded like Hemsworth really cracked the hell out of that door too. I like Whedon a lot. I'm behind this. Now show us Hawkey in his Ultimates outfit please.

  • But can we get some love for Thor's helmet?!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST


    by oisin5199

    um, unless you count the writer of a script as 'the man responsible' for a film, then no, Whedon, was not the man responsible. That would be the director, you know the guy who interprets that script and has the final say on every aspect of the film not controlled by the suits. The writer pretty much has no power and little responsibility. This time, it's Whedon's show. And he will RULE US ALL.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    That second video

    by Juggernaut125

    proves that Chris Hemsworth was the right guy for the job. Look how easy it was for him to roll that car just by smacking it with his hammer!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST

    @2soon2eat, I'd love to see Cap move into that leader role

    by kevred

    I bought Evans as a hero in the Cap film, but had a hard time imagining him as the natural, instinctive leader of everyone in the Avengers. He seemed a little too fresh-faced, aw-shucks. The montage of him leading all those missions didn't change that image for me. Seemed like he was still finding his way in the final battle sequence. But I would love seeing him take that role in the film. It's always great when Cap does that, from the original Avengers to Secret Wars to any number of examples since. I think it's that manly, super-heroic *persona* - the one which is always propelling Cap into leader roles in the comics - which everyone wondered if Evans had. He has the build, he has the moves, but does he have the tough-as-nails combat leader vibe? Not sure, but hope they give him a shot to prove it in the film.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST

    @sciencefromscratch, good observation.

    by kevred

    I hadn't thought about the SHIELD look but you're right. Hey, maybe they're fighting a bunch of Nick Fury clones!

  • ...and all things in the Marvel Universe. I wish I still had it. It ranked all the heroes with detailed profiles. I don't recall much of the book but I do remember Thor listed first as most powerful with Hulk second. That surprised my 9 or 10 yr old mindset at the time, though made sense when I considered Thor is himself a God.

  • To have a great movie be suddenly taken over by some of the ultimate Jack Kirby craziness would be awesome. Or since Fox seems to think the lame "swarm" Galactus is so cool (which it really, really isn't), maybe they'd be willing to loan the One True Galactus for an Avengers appearance.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:03 p.m. CST

    I really really hope that theres a thor/hulk brawl at some point.

    by dahveed1972

    Maybe at the beginning. Seriously tho, they need some better security at these locations. I am glad theyre shooting this in real cities.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Thor vs. Hulk

    by Immortal_Fish

    Thor is the strongest non-mortal, yes. Hulk/Banner are mortal. Ergo, this does not mean Thor is ipso facto stronger than Hulk. Thor is initially at a stronger power level than is Hulk. Yet Hulk has the escalating strength in proportion to rage affect. Hulk's strength can overpower Thor's strength in time. No matter how angry Hulk gets, nothing, NOTHING, can separate Mjolnir from Thor's hand. Not even Hulk's boundless rage. Has to do with that whole 'worthy' thing. That is all, class. Finals tomorrow.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    It's like a live-action version of Marvel: Ultimate Alliance

    by NivekJ

    Which I mean in the best way possible.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:02 p.m. CST


    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    you do realize that clip wasn't the full movie, right? The Avengers will own 2012!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST


    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    Second clip, you can see Cap struggling on the ground, while Blondie hauls off to hurl that hammer at something right after sending that car flying. Hemsworth is moving FAST, too, as he should be. So, at least Whedon's gotten that much right. This might turn out okay after all.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:13 p.m. CST

    The bad guys

    by dukeroberts

    The guys they're fighting look like they're wearing old school SHIELD uniforms. Can that be? Oh, and Cap should be wearing his mask when he's out in public. It always bugged me in the Spider-Man movies how often Spidey took off his frickin' mask outside where people might see him. Leave the mask on!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:14 p.m. CST


    by dukeroberts

    Goldilocks pounding that car is pretty awesome.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST

    re Thor v Hulk, Stan Lee, etc

    by Detached

    The Washington Post did an interview with Stan Lee some years back (I can't find it online) and they asked him point-blank who was stronger, Thor or the Hulk. Lee said something to the effect that the Hulk was pretty strong, but Thor was a god (or maybe "an immortal") and so he would be tough to beat. I forget how he phrased it, but he made it clear that Thor was the more powerful. I did read that Marvel compendium too - I'd forgotten about that. It was very detailed. While it's true that the Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder, it's also true that he's just a guy who got hit by gamma radiation; strictly speaking, there's nothing special about him per se. it could have been anybody, and the next guy might actually be more powerful than Bruce Banner. And by the way, there is a limit to any human range. Thor, by contrast, is almost insanely strong and powerful in & of himself. If you read the 60s/70s Marvels (which I sure did), you could tell Thor was not only stronger, but without question much more powerful overall. For instance, whenever the Hulk & Sub-Mariner fought, the Hulk would win on land, but could never beat Namor underwater, and it would be a draw (see Tales to Astonish 100, for example). By contast, when Thor fought Subby, Thor decidedly beat him, even underwater (somewhat to my surprise). That was an issue of Subby's mag circa 1976. Heck, even the Silver Surfer could not beat Thor. In SS #4, Loki brought ol' Norrin Radd to Asgard, and he had a battle with Thor, after which the SS said in a thought balloon that his power was no match for Thor's. One other point re the whole "Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder" idea- remember that Thor is (very rarely) subject to something called "Warrior Madness." It's when Thor (or any warrior) basically loses control (something like "Hulk get mad!!"). If Thor ever fell into this state while fighting the Hulk (or anyone else), they would be in very real, very deep trouble. Not to mention when Thor REALLY unleashes his power over storms and so forth. When he would do this in the 60s/70s Marvels, it was something to behold- it would also be something the Hulk would have a hard time handling while trying to fight Thor at the same time. Finally, Thor has one other power I've only seen him use once: he can use Mjolnir to transport someone to a dimension so far away they can never find their way back to Earth. I doubt this is anything he'd ever do in a fight, but he can if necessary. Bottom line, Thor is stronger than the Hulk - but add in his overall powers and he's almost ridiculously, well, powerful.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Way back in the Avengers/Defenders War...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...when Thor was one of the former and the Hulk one of the latter, they faced off against each other and the result was total stalemate. And I don't mean throwing punches for a while, inconclusively; I mean locked unmoving in a position they hold for over an hour, sweating, straining, unable to budge each other by even a millimeter. And the caption tells us that "Neither shows any sign of tiring", right before both teams show up to explain they've been duped by Loki and Dormammu and they can knock it off now. I'd think that over the course of an hour, the Hulk would have had the chance to get extremely pissed at Thor, and yet it's still not enough to break Thor's grip. Therefore I conclude that the Hulk is not the much-claimed "Strongest one there is!" (and why would you take the word of someone with the mentality of a child anyway?), but rather a perfectly even match for Thor. (It also seems a little ironic and Whedonesque to me that instead of destroying an entire city, this ultimate showdown results in sweating sculpture that causes not a grain of damage. I'd love to see that in the film.)

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:42 p.m. CST

    oops- made a typo

    by Detached

    I meant to say "there is a limit to any human RAGE, not RANGE" (duh). In other words, a human being can only get so angry- eventually he stops. Now, one can argue that because of gamma radiation, the Hulk's rage is nearly limitless. Could be. But he still has his limits (I don't think the Hulk will ever get strong enough to move, say, the whole Milky Way galaxy).

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 12:27 a.m. CST

    They're probably fighting the Hulkster since he's CG.

    by mistergreen

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Avengers/Defenders & Thor/Hulk

    by Detached

    I think I saw that once- with Thor & the Hulk locked in an embrace. Personally, I tend to go with the 60s & some 70s Marvels. The stuff that came later doesn't matter much to me (and of course that's just me).

  • Hope he proves me so wrong.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Enough about the First Avenger suit, which was

    by Dennis_Moore

    eye-searingly hideous. this looks more like Cap.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 2:07 a.m. CST

    About this not being epic enough

    by NativeGaijin

    How about we wait to see what the finished scene from the camera's point of view with VFX and everything added looks like before passing judgement, huh? For all we know, this could be just a small part of a longer scene that involves dozens or hundreds of Skrull (or whatever they turn out to be) swarming all over Cap and Thor. Would that be epic enough? And for those of you griping about how these adversaries seem unworthy of Thor, what do you expect him to do? Fly off and leave Cap to face them all alone because they're beneath him? Way to be a team player.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Hulk can't just keep getting stronger & stronger!

    by BenBraddock

    Cos the Hulk-level doses of lactic acid produced by his own muscles would make it too painful. How's that for geeky?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:12 a.m. CST

    practical special effects!

    by Ator

    Hooray! I'm so tired of CG cars flying through the air. Glad they did some of this the old-fashioned way.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST

    @ OISIN

    by lookylookymoontard

    Correct me if i'm wrong but i'd say the fucking script was a pretty large reason why a movie works or doesnt work,shit script = shit film Unless pretty pictures is all it need's to meet your standards?,if so then thats fine,but dont get your hopes up thats all im saying.......

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST

    SKULLS in new FF movie

    by Tumor_Binks

    Heard that Fox are using the Skrulls in the new Fantastic Four movie. Makes sense as they appeared in the FF first.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    detached, the Avengers/Defenders War would indeed...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...have been in the Seventies, probably the summer of '73, I'm thinking. Pretty sure Thor/Hulk was Defenders 10, with Steve Englehart and Sal Buscema scripting and drawing respectively. Cool as it was, the Avengers/Defenders War was arguably the ancestor of all the crossover events that infest comics today, so it has quite a bit to answer for, although with only two books involved for five months, it was lean and tight in comparison to the current company-wide sprawls. These days you'd have at least 10 miniseries and one-shots each month in addition to the dozen and a half regular books participating. (And, yeah, I could look up the dates, but that'd be a) cheating, and b) deny some fellow fan the pleasure of correcting me.)

  • So I imagine this movie will follow the Ultimates storyline roughly. He was very impressed with Mark Millar's and Brian Hitch's work (as am I). These characters need to be believable for us to care about them. (It's what made the original Star Wars movies not just another crappy 70's sci-fi b- movie.) Also, regarding Thor vs. Hulk: I find one of the most awesome moments in the Ultimates is when hulk gets pissed enough to lift Mjolnir. Screw worthiness, this was pure rage/adrenaline.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    They are fighting guys in mo-cap suits

    by catlettuce4

    The same suit we saw a closeup of the other day. So expect CGI humanoid foes...

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Superman in Smallville Pics

    by wackybantha

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    This movie looks awesome. And that footage has me jazzed.

    by brooklyndodger

    I can't remember the last time I was this excited for a film. Haters, wipe the cheetos off your lips and suck a prick.

  • Its been a while since ive seen it, and it still holds up great. Better than what I remembered in fact. And better than Spider-Man 2. Couldnt give two shits about the uniforms, but the effects, pacing, dialogue, tone, etc. are all really really good. And Jean Grey's sacrifice at the end was almost as poignant as Spock's in Khan. Singer gets a lot of shit on this site, but the fact is he pretty much knocked it out of the park with X-2 and this should be acknowledged. If only he couldve resisted the urge to make a "sequel" to Donners movies. That said, the guy deserves another shot at the x-men methinks.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    kisskissbangbang, you're referring to the EVIL EYE story arc...

    by Amadeo Zeller

    And yes, that it was not only Marvel's first big epic storyline, but it also doubled as The Defenders origin. Good stuff.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    @nativegaijin, want some cheese with that whine?

    by kevred

    Don't think you're actually reading complaints, just speculation. Go back and read again, and this time breathe deeply.

  • And you also wouldn't have had to make your initial comment, either. I went to great pains to explain that I think the film is going to be great, and that all I was saying is that I hope Thor gets something bigger to fight. Sorry you missed that. I agree with you that this film will own in 2012!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Fucking Cool!

    by Glen Hall

    I love and hate these short glimpses we're getting of this and TDKR. Not because they're really spoiling anything (Bane FIGHTS Batman?!?!) but they're getting me way too eager to see these movies when they're almost a year away...All that aside next year is looking to be pretty fucking awesome for geeks and casual fans alike. Cannot wait. Nolan and Whedon FTW!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    @killik: "not epic enough"

    by Johnno

    If you wanted to see them fighting in Space or something they wouldn't be shooting that practically. The crazier you want your action, the more CG and green-screened/performance capped it'd need to be...

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 3:12 a.m. CST

    amadeo, I'm a little late getting back to you...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...but, yes, that was indeed the Evil Eye arc and, as you say, good stuff. But I'm not sure what you mean about it doubling as a Defenders origin, since the book had been around for half a dozen issues before the Evil Eye arc (and Roy Thomas had woven a story about Dr. Strange, Hulk and Namor facing a Lovecraftian villain through issues of each of their books a couple of years before that, though these were single issue team-ups). Could you elaborate a little if you're still hanging around?