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Two Brief Clips And A Gillan Introduction Tease DOCTOR WHO's 'Let's Kill Hitler'!!

Merrick here...

BBC has released three new vids previewing "Let's Kill Hitler," the August 27th return of DOCTOR WHO Season/Series Six.  Nothing too spoilery here...more of a sense flavor than anything else.  

I hope the actual episode has Karen shouting out "Let's kill Hitler!" - just like she does in this top embed - when the episode title appears on screen.

 

 

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  • Aug. 18, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Ah, Rory...

    by kgreene

    Who knew this guy would be so good?

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Oh, and.... FIRST!

    by kgreene

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    The Doctor, and The Nurse. Gotta Love It!

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Can we have an opening scene

    by tomdolan04

    where Karen Gillan stumbles around a hotel naked and drunk please? <p> I'm intrigued for this opening. I love the crew and the sense of comarade. Bit tired of the River Song arc though. I did initially not like Rory and the dynamic he brought to a three manned Tardis but he grew on me. <p> River....not so much. SPOILERS SWEETIE my bum.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Who's that girl in the middle clip?

    by performingmonkey

    The one who stumbles out of the Tardis with the usual crew?? Could she be a future companion??

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Well hopefully with River

    by glenn_the_frog

    now that she's revealed who she is, and the Doctor is closer to meeting her for the first time, and they are about to get closer to sharing a timeline more regularly, there will be a lot less of the "Spoilers" and "I know more than you do" bit. Hopefully its just something she started doing once she realized she was getting to the end of her knowing him and he didn't know anything yet. The last big secret we know of is the great man she is going to kill in order to deserve jail time... and if its either the Doctor or Rory that should be dealt with by the end of the season. Would pretty much fix her if every time she showed up she hadn't just had the adventure the others are about to have.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Definitely looking

    by DellsDontBounce

    Forward to the good Doctor's return, and I read earlier today about cameos in the next episode. Excellent!

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    It's in your head!!!

    by wtriker1701

    Ah Rory... the spoiler guy...

  • I'll have to watch at home. I hate having to wait to see new Who clips. <br> I didn't see them posted on BBC America yet (where I might have had a fighting chance to see them)

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Spoilers-- the other woman

    by HornOrSilk

    Her name is Mels. She is a friend of Amy and Rory. And apparently, an ex-con. And apparently, trouble.

  • I'd buy that for a dollar! :-D

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    I can't wait!

    by sunspot_mike

    I thought that both scenes were great and in full-steam ahead dialogue mode. That's really my favorite and I think it's what distinguishes Doctor Who from anything else on TV. There are other sci-fi shows (even a few really good ones) but is there a show on television right now, UK or US, that does rapid-fire dialogue better than our Doctor? No. The answer is no, there's not.

  • Two weeks ago I suggested Ben Edlund as a guest writer for Who, having seen these clips, as long as Moffat's still there, he'd be entirely redundant. This looks to be bonkers. MUST. SEE. NOW.

  • Actually, maybe 3 people if you think Rockne O'Bannon would do it. <br> David Kemper or Justin Monjo would make for interesting writers for Doctor Who. They certainly had some out-there episodes of Farscape that they wrote.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Another writer that is a self confesed Who fan.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Seth MacFarlane. He could pull off his Clouse voice, and just act in an episode. Would be cool.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    My ideal writers for the 50th anniversary

    by HornOrSilk

    Terrance Dicks RTD SM Paul Cornell Robert Shearman Neil Gaiman Terry Pratchett Joss Wheldon JMS Jacqueline Rayner Nev Fountain

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Please remain calm while your life is terminated!

    by Clavius

    Now I have the perfect thing to say to the next bitchy client that I have to deal with!

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    That's a pretty good list, hornorsilk!

    by DoctorTom

    I particularly liked the Jaq Rayner inclusion, she's done some fantastic audios. <br> I don't see JMS doing it since he doesn't seem to want to write for shows he's not showrunner for now (I think I recall reading something to that effect in a recent interview with him). <br> I would respectfully add Paul Magrs to the list. He's shown he can write Doctor Who (novels and audios) and would be able to come up with something definitely weird for the show.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Doctortom

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, I think if JMS was offered for the 50th anniversary, he would probably do it. I don't see him being offered. Nonetheless, he knows how big Doctor Who was -- it's a clear influence on him (as is Blake's 7 and The Prisoner). It would just be a thing of honor (and being one off he will no be able to ruin the show and turn it into something it isn't meant to be). There are many audio writers who I like, but I had to choose from the ones who did some of my favorite audios.. but I certainly wanted to bring a few more from BF into the actual show...

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I just wish Doug Adams were still alive

    by DrAstroZoom

    ... to pen a 50th anniversary ep. "City of Death" = genius

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Well, they could always adapt one of his stories

    by DoctorTom

    I don't know if his estate has the original 'Doctor Who and the Krikketmen' story around.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Yes, I would have had Douglas Adams on the list

    by HornOrSilk

    And there are several other classic writers I would have added, too, if still alive...

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST

    How about....

    by kgreene

    ..Warren Ellis? I bet he's write a great Doctor Who. And let's just go all out and say Alan Moore, too.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST

    50th anniversary / multi-doctor story ...

    by unfaithfullyyours

    I just hope that if they do do a multi-doctor story of some sort, that it's a personal story. I love the idea of the multi-doctor stories, but they've always felt a bit ... forced. Fingers crossed. In the meantime, the rest of this season looks fantastic.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 8:49 p.m. CST

    I loved those little clips. Can't wait for the episode.

    by V'Shael

    And it seems we now know who those brown suited astronauts in the spaceship wear, in all the season trailers. The Tesserecta ?

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST

    I was not hyped earlier.

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    But after watching those previews, I think I have become unhealthily hyped regarding the return of Who. I can't wait to see what zaniness awaits me. Also, I'm continuously astounded by how cute and beautiful Karen Gillan continues to be. Honestly, it's a bit disconcerting whenever I'm confronted with her physical appearance. . . .aaaannndd hopefully that didn't come out as creepy as it sounded. But yeah. She's quite the looker. I imagine that she's completely bewitched every single boy that's watched the show who's on the cusp of adolescence.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Instead of a single multi-doctor story...

    by ShadowTiger

    ...how about a multi-doctor arc? A story with these two, then a story with these two, and so on, all with an intertwined arc that ends with a great two or three part finale? I just wish Sarah Jane and the Brig were still available... I really like the idea of super-star guest writers though. Let Moffat focus on the overall arc (plus maybe a story or three). I thought The Doctor's Wife was brilliant, would love to see more...

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 12:23 a.m. CST

    sunspot_mike

    by maxwello

    No, there is not a better sci-fi show on the air right now for rapid-fire dialogue. But, dammit, you reminded me of how much I miss Farscape.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 12:28 a.m. CST

    And as for writers for the 50th anniversary

    by maxwello

    I agree with those who've posted (except for RTD.) I'd add Jane Esperson to the list, though.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:56 a.m. CST

    I know we shouldn't be a usual font of negativity but...

    by V'Shael

    if I heard some of those authors people have mentioned were writing for the 50th anniversary... well, frankly I'd be more than a little worried. JMS for example. Love his novels, love Babylon 5 more than is healthy, have met the man multiple times and have more of his autographs than I can count. But he's terrible with other peoples properties. He can't resist putting his own stamp on them. His run on Spiderman? With the "Other"? Gwen Stacy having kids with Norman Osbourne? GAH!!! Keep him away from Doctor Who. Jane Espenson or Joss Whedon? I don't know where you people get such nutty ideas.... Now Neil Gaiman, I'd have back in a heartbeat. If he could work to schedule. But he's so frighteningly busy all the time.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    v'shael

    by HornOrSilk

    He didn't do any big changes of history when he wrote "Changeling." I think he could come up with a good one-off story for the show, and realize the special honor of being brought in. Joss Whedon's Serenity work shows he has the ability to do good here.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:52 a.m. CST

    maxwello

    by HornOrSilk

    RTD's influence on the history of the show is important and must be recognized in the 50th anniversary. Since he is not in charge, I think that will also help limit him and keep him solid. RTD has some great episodes in the show and deserves to be up there next to Dicks for the anniversary.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 4:25 a.m. CST

    I'd laugh if RTD was commissioned...

    by dj_bollocks

    ..and then told his idea was shit, and then totally re written by the Moff... And no to Espenson... Her writing has been terrible in Torchwood, although she was possibly given an unpolishable turd there, I really dislike her stuff... Grant Morrison, J Michael Stracynski would be in my list !

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:11 a.m. CST

    people who really hate and loathe,

    by emeraldboy

    russell t davies. seem to be forget he was the one who brought it back to tv. haters will hate, i guess.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:18 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy

    by HornOrSilk

    Doctor Who was coming back one way or another, and I think it would have been a hit. However, RTD now has a major place in DW history not just because he brought it back, but how he brought it back. He created new aspects to the Doctor Who story which continue on after he left the show. For that he deserves a place in the 50th anniversary. I also think he has some great episodes and has proven he can do good Doctor Who. Yes he has done some which I thought were subpar (the worst, imo, was Planet of the Dead), but if he is given one episode, even if it weren't the best of the bunch, it's still worth giving him the chance because of his role in Doctor Who history.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:22 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy -

    by sam jacksons wig

    Yup, agree 100% with you there. As much as RTD wrote and produced some clunkers (and you would in 5 years, you can't hit a coconut every time!), he also brought us Nu Who and 2 fantastic incarnations in Eccleson and Tennant, amazing storytelling, some fantastic episodes (and others besides- the good certainly outweigh the bad all told...) ...but I guess the eternal Moff vs RTD and RTD gay agenda and RTD was shite topics will never go away. Hope you are well!!!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:22 a.m. CST

    Hornorsilk

    by Kevin Bolinger

    You probably did not get back to the other Who thread, since this popped up, but you mentioned waiting for the Doctor that opens the TARDIS by snapping fingers, Go back to the 11th Hour, at the end when he finally opens the door for Amy, he snaps his fingers. I missed that the fist time but caught it after, lol

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:25 a.m. CST

    darthdevious

    by HornOrSilk

    Actually, I caught that the first time I saw it. However, we have not seen him doing since then. In other words, he still hasn't become River's "Doctor." Though it could be this incarnation and part of her memories goes to a child looking up at this magic guy.... but I am thinking there is more to it than that... that's too simple.

  • ...although that said I am firmly of the belief that RTD has had his time with Who, and we have moved on from his style of production and scripting. It would feel "odd" going backwards.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:26 a.m. CST

    50th...

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Just my two cents, would love to see the actual end of the Time War, see what the Doctor really did...anyone else?

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Sam

    by HornOrSilk

    I think many of RTD's scripts could easily fit in the Moff's era. Turn Left, in many respects, I think is one of them. Or he could do something more like Midnight. He isn't limited to what people think is his era's style. I think he needs to be given a place in the 50th anniversary, a year which should allow for a broader ranger of styles... to show off the show in all its glory.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:39 a.m. CST

    darthdevious

    by HornOrSilk

    No to the end of the Time War. I think that is one thing which must _always_ be left unfilmed. We can talk about it, discuss it, find out he was a great "war criminal" because of it. But there should be a level of mystery to this. To show it would be like having Remington Steele get married...

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 5:41 a.m. CST

    darthdevious (cont. from above)

    by HornOrSilk

    And I think one of the reasons is if we see it, it will never be as good as our imagination. This is one of those things which just cannot be done justice...

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Horn- would be nice to acknowledge him for the 50th anniversary yes....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...as well as other contributors and writers such as Terry Nation, Dennis Spooner, Robert Holmes, David Whitaker, Terrance Dicks, Dave Martin and Bob Baker (and probably others I have forgotten), but there needs to be cohesion in the narrative thread.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 6:15 a.m. CST

    The time war.......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...to do it any kind of justice at all would require a budget far in excess of what the BEEB would be prepared to pony up. And each of us would be left with a sour taste as it would most definately not live up to our own expectations. I truly believe there isn't enough bandwidth in the universe to cope with such an internet backlash!!!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 6:38 a.m. CST

    @hornorsilk - Come on, Changeling was history.

    by V'Shael

    I specifically said dealing with other peoples property. And as for Joss Whedon's Serenity, I'd have to disagree with you. As much as I liked Firefly the series, Serenity was just 'Buffy X'. The Reavers were always vampire stand-ins. River became a one girl fighting machine, and it felt about as shoe-horned in as Jason X (where Jason went into space.) I thought it was terrible. Note Bene : I'm saying specifically *I* would feel worried. I'm not saying everyone else should, or everyone else must agree with me that these writers suck or something. Simply expressing my opinion.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Sam

    by HornOrSilk

    If Holmes were still alive, getting him to write a script would be a necessity. That's the thing. I tried to make a list of writers who I think could pull it off. Again, like to Midnight or Turn Left and you will have an RTD story which would fit in the Moff's series. Indeed, Midnight could still connect with the DreamLord for all we know ;)

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 6:41 a.m. CST

    v'shael

    by HornOrSilk

    Firefly and Serenity, to me, are one and the same. Serenity was a Firefly season on speed, that is all.

  • Damn that's a hot image.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 7:28 a.m. CST

    empires serenity movie review......

    by sam jacksons wig

    http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/review.asp?FID=10125 4 stars with the verdict- If you’re a novice, this is a plucky introduction to Whedon’s world and the most fun sci-fi of the year. If you’re a devotee, this is the magnificent return you’ve been praying for. It was a fucking cracking movie!!! It certainly did not get the love it should have, but then again I didn't really expect it to.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST

    dvaderrip - with you aaaalllllllllll the way....

    by sam jacksons wig

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST

    I myself believe it would be wrong to kill Hitler...

    by AllThosePowers

    ...or any other of history's mass murdering dictators, only because if they hadn't killed all those humans the population growth would be significantly higher today ---- what was that saying 'an optimist finds opportunities in every...'

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    It is normal to experience fear during your incineration

    by Dreamfasting

    I kept thinking through the last clip of the old pencil and paper RPG "Paranoia". It had that same insane vibe (sort of a 1984 world as run by HAL from 2001, where the computer would often politely direct characters to the nearest available disintegration booth)

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST

    dreamfasting

    by HornOrSilk

    Happiness Patrol was a kind of "Paranoia" story... I loved the RPG, btw.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 9:13 a.m. CST

    @allthosepowers - if that's optimism, give me a pessimist every time.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Your solution to overpopulation is tyranny and genocide? With all respect to the rules of the Docback, I suggest that you think a bit harder on this. We live in a world of 7 billion people. Unless there is a very dramatic improvement in our technologies, we are on the verge of a global human dieback. Literally billions starving to death. Genocide and tyranny have done nothing to avert this dieback. Indeed, by hampering the conditions necessary for technological and cultural progress and impoverishing whole generations of mankind, genocide and tyranny have actively contributed to the biological bottleneck we now face. I think perhaps the great golden-age SF author Robert Heinlein said it best when he wrote: Much as we may feel and act as individuals, our race is a single organism, always growing and branching--which must be pruned regularly to be healthy. This necessity need not be argued; anyone with eyes can see that any organism which grows without limit always dies within •its own poisons. The only rational question is whether pruning is best done before or after birth. Being an incurable sentimentalist I favor the former of these methods--killing makes me queasy, even when it’s a case of 'He’s dead and I’m alive and that’s the way I wanted it to be.' But this may be a matter of taste. Some shamans think that it is better to be killed in a war, or to die in childbirth, or to starve in misery, than never to have lived at all. They may be right. But I don’t have to like it--and I don’t. Just BTW Heinlein wrote the greatest time travel story ever - All You Zombies. And that's a plot I dare say we'll never ever see on Doctor Who ...

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST

    V'shael - JMS

    by DoctorTom

    I can see somewhat your points about JMS on other properties, but you'd have been better off citing Superman than Spiderman. There had been a lot of editorial interference with JMS, and the bit you cite with Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn having kids was one of those. The way he originally wrote it, those were supposed to be the children of Peter and Gwen. Quesada didn't like that idea though, since it made Peter seem old so JMS had to modify things. I think The Other was a whole group decision, which might have been better if it hadn't been ignored so quickly by having Tony Stark give Peter that suit with 3 extra arms (because, as we all know, spiders have 7 legs.... (insert WTF icon here)). Quesada was also responsible for the end of One More Day, although from what I've read about what was happening at the time it seemed like JMS was going into Lawrence Miles mode with what he wanted to do. It wasn't what was come up with in the editorial conference for the story (and that right there might be some of the problems with stories - all these editorial conferences for them), so Quesada was within his rights to not run with it then. Still it wasn't that harsh a breakup there at that time since JMS still did Thor - which was definitely another property that he did well with. <br> I'd agree with holding off on Jane Espenson. I would go more for people who have had experience writing Doctor Who in other media or at least are known fans who have done well with screenwriting other shows. If I were to pick an American I would go for Peter David over Jane Espenson, but I wouldn't say he had to be a 50th anniversary story. (I'd like to see him get to write an episode, though.) Part of me would also like to see Harlan Ellison get to write an episode, but I don't know if he'd be able to with his health.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Time War

    by DoctorTom

    I agree with Sam Jackson's Wig that they couldn't do the whole Time War justice - it would be far beyond the budget or the time they could give it, and still wouldn't be able to live up to what we've all built it up to be in our minds. <br> <br> Besides, who needs the boring old Time War with Daleks and Nightmare Children and such? Given some of the comments made by Madame Kovarian in A Good Man Goes To War, we're getting to watch Time War II, and this time it might be everybody vs. the Doctor!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts

    by notspock2

    RE: food supply- it's my understanding that a global switch to a vegan diet would make greater use of the resources of the planet than raising cattle for meat. Interestingly, (since we're on a Doctor Who talkback and it deals with over population) Miracle Day has focused on healthcare for the sick and dying and the question of food has remained unasked. It is -in my opinion, possibly much more interesting... when people get hungry and they have guns, the world will genuinely go to hell.. Starving people cutting up people who won't die and still eating them?? I think they missed a trick there.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    notspock 2 - Miracle Day

    by DoctorTom

    It still wouldn't surprise me if they pull out the 'Soylent Green' option at some point, though it seems they're going more for the concentration camps for the sick, where they won't get food (and presumably won't have guns). <br> Still, I wouldn't put it past them to slip in a scene showing a nice suburban family having a cookout, and seeing the steak on the grill trying to move.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10 a.m. CST

    doctortom/notspock- boy, reading my mind!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    As we in ol' blighty are behind the good folks in the US and have just watched the episode where we found out what they are doing with type 1 patients, I said to my wife "Hmmmmm- Texas Chilli Cook off.... that's the global food supply fixed!!" Somewhere along the line I do expect to see The Cat, Lister, Kryton and Rimmer all sitting around a fire eating "suspect" meat.....

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST

    doctortom- time war.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..I swear that all of the shit that has gone down during every DocBack (and my not so insignificant contribution to the world of crap!!) would be fucking PEANUTS compared to the diatribe that would spew forth as every Who fan going blasted the episodes as it didn't live up to THEIR time war expectations!!! Best steered clear of, indeed!!!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST

    This is TOTALLY off topic

    by DVaderRIP

    Can we get back to the issue at hand please - specifically, Karen Gillan naked? Seriously, just imagine how often those three words have been typed into Google. Scary.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    dvaderrip- I'm now exhausted thinking of her naked!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    The spirit is willing but the flesh is all spongy and bruised..... ..(thank you Zap Brannigan!!!)

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    WOW!!! allthosepowers !!!! Just read your post matey!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Erm..... Sorry, but I don't agree at all. SJW.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    @notspock2 Prof Bartlett vs Global Vegan Diet

    by veteran_of_mu

    If you haven't seen this it's pretty sobering ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts

    by notspock2

    watching now.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    So, I've never watched Dr. Who in my life

    by quicksilver80

    Do I need to watch the older series to get into the new one?

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    quicksilver80 - welcome!!! And "no" to answer your question...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ... if you mean old who, before the 1995 reboot. Start with Eccleson and "Rose" and you will have information you need to see you onward. If you start with Matt Smith then yes, it will not spoil your enjoyment, but it may pose questions you will not know how to answer. Enjoy discovering Who!! Any questions just ask! There are a plethora of really smart people on rhese TBs more than willing to assist you!! SJW.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Welcome, quicksilver 80! and I agree with Sam jackson's wig

    by DoctorTom

    You don't need to watch any of the 'classic' series to enjoy Doctor Who. There are good jumping on points, though. A lot of people started with the beginning of Season 1, with Eccleston as the Doctor. This works as a good primer and helps drop in any concepts you need to understand as it goes along, since it doesn't make the assumption that the viewers had watched Doctor Who before. <br> Starting with the first Matt Smith story, The Eleventh Hour, can also work, though you might wonder about a few things and want to go back and catch them. I believe Merrick, esteemed host of the DocBacks, himself started when Matt Smith took over the role, so I know that this is one way to get into it. If you go this route, one of the things you'll want to do before too long is to dip back to Season 4 for Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, since that was where viewers first saw the character River Song, and she has become an important part of the arcs for these last two seasons. You don't need to know who she is before starting to watch, but I would suggest watching the older River Song stuff before starting Season 6 (it won't be as important for watching her in Season 5. You can enjoy the first season of Matt Smith, take the dip back, then take a deep breath and wade into Season 6.) <br> I would not start with the beginning of the current season (Season 6) since there's a fair amount of stuff from Season 5 that's going to be important as things go along. Going back 1 season to the first Matt Smith should be enough, but if you want to go all out, go back to the Christopher Eccleston stories in Season 1. You'll see plenty of good stories along the way as you get caught up. Also farting alien jokes, but that's a different subject. ;)

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    caractacuspotts

    by notspock2

    - interesting arguments, and something to seriously think about,so thank you. Unless I am mistaken he doesn't really take into account the fact that more efficient technology can increase the lifespan of a finite resource. Also RE: vegan diet - he didn't seem to address that at all -though i can see the connections and this is relevant to the discussion..

  • And, if so, do you think Time War II will be a thread that will extend past this season, possibly into the 50th anniversary. <br> <br> TIME WAR II <br> The Doctor vs. The Rest of the Universe. <br> This time it's personal. Or, come up with your own tagline for the end. Some other suggestions: <br> They don't stand a chance. <br> Makes the Sontaran/ Rutan conflict look like the Six Day War in comparison. <br> God help everyone if he loses. <br> God help everyone if he wins.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST

    RTD

    by maxwello

    I really appreciate that RTD worked hard and brought back Dr. Who. I also really appreciate that George Lucas is an incredible movie maker. I just don't think RTD is any more successful with his plotting, than Lucas is with dialogue. The visionary who gets the ball rolling is not always the best person to shepherd a project after it's going strong. RTD deserves a place of honor in the Whoverse, no question. In my opinion, his plotting is less elegant than some of the other writers the series has had.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Starting Who

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, either Rose or Eleventh Hour are best...

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    test

    by quicksilver80

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Karen = Anakin. FACT.

    by KilliK

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    quicksilver80

    by Dreamfasting

    I usually recommend that the best place to start watching Doctor Who is "whatever episode happens to be showing". The last year and a half (since "The 11th Hour") have been building an unusually complex and layered story arc but even one of the recurring characters has been watching it out of order.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    kilik

    by emeraldboy

    in your comment there karen = annakin. is that a reference to hayden Christensen's terribly bland acting skills or do you mean that at a some point amy pond goes to the dark side. ala anakin skywalker.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    quicksilver80 - if you reside in the UK....

    by sam jacksons wig

    play.com for some insane Who deals!! Or go to ebay.co.uk where I picked up series 5 on DVD for £13.00!!!! That will save your credit cards some battering!!! SJW!!

  • I know that if you're an Amazon Prime member, then you can stream some of the older seasons of Doctor Who for free. The first four seasons and the David Tennant specials are free, as well as some of the classic stories. They do charge for Season 5 and Season 6 part 1, though. <br> On the other hand, if you're in the US and have Comcast, they have all of Season 5 and all of Season 6 so far in their Video on Demand section, so that would be another way to watch them free. I suspect these might also be available on Netflix or equivalent service.

  • It's such a larger than life moment that to dramatize it in anyway would be a let down to some or all of us. Like Time War is to Doctor Who what Merris is to Frasier.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Please tell me there was video security in that hotel

    by tangcameo

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Well, I don't live in the UK nor USA

    by quicksilver80

    So I'll have to get the boxsets anyway, thanks for the pointers, though!

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    @notspock2 on 16 Billion Whovians

    by veteran_of_mu

    I agree that technological development *could* keep pace with population for a little while longer. But consider what that would mean. Global human population was fairly stable at about 1 Billion until around 1850. Two inventions caused it to go exponential. One was the use of petrochemicals for energy and fertiliser. The other was Ignaz Semmelweiss's "washing-your-hands" which at a stroke eliminated most infant mortality around the world. By the time Doctor Who was first aired there were 3 Billion souls on this planet. That number double in 40 years, and as I write 10 years later the curve has continued to 7 Billion. Of course Doctor Who popularity is also growing exponentially. If Whovianity and global population continue as they are doing, the 100th anniversary show would be watched by about 16 Billion people. Let's think about what kind of technology Earth would need to support 16 Billion Whovians. For a start, we'd need a new clean energy source. Both petrochemical and nuclear power have already hit their peaks. The rate at which we discover mines for the necessary ores has not kept up with the rate that these mines are exhausted. Even ignoring exponential demand growth, 20th century power sources will become exponentially more expensive over time. There's a lot of discussion by much wiser heads than mine about this but even with wind, solar we'd need cold fusion or the equivalent to power sufficient video screens to entertain the 16 Billion. There continue to be developments in LENR, and I'm hopeful that at least one of these will turn out to not be a scam. So let's just assume the energy problem out of existence. We'd need some whole way to fertilise plants. We have also hit peak NPK (Nitrogen Phosphorus Potassium). The rate at which we're able to generate fertiliser containing these essential nutrients is not doubling, nor even growing linearly. Just like oil it has hit a global plateau with costs already beginning to climb their exponential curve. There's only one conceivable way to solve the fertiliser problem for 16 Gigawhovians. Digital nanotechnology. That's the same technology on which Kurzweil and his Extropians are pinning their hopes for a technological singularity. With nanotech and unlimited clean energy we would be able to recycle most of the detritus left by 20th and 21st century industry to resupply the missing fertiliser. The trouble with this is that digital nanotech is in its absolute infancy. We not only don't know how to make it work - we don't even know what the critical scaling problems are likely to be. Kurzweil, Merkle and co. bang on about Moore's Law but ignore the fact that the rapid doubling in our information resources has not been accompanied by the increase in the intelligence of our machines necessary to organise and idiot-proof a coherent digital nanotechnology. There is a ray of hope here in the form of quantum computers. These computers, if achieved in time, will be qualitatively different to our current computers in that they'll be able to evaluate all the possible combinations of a finite search space simultaneously, rather than taking exponential time. It may be that this is exactly the trick we do ourselves in our own brains to make intelligence, in which case we can indeed expect the rapid achievement of real AI and a consequent technological singularity. Or it may be that real artificial intelligence requires some other trick that we don't yet have a handle on. In which case ... well, we would be fortunate if there was anyone watching Doctor Who's 100th anniversary. Perhaps someone too young to read this today would be repeating one of the conversations about fire we're so familiar with from the very first episodes of Doctor Who. I guess that's fandom ... of a sort ...

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    RTD seems like he's burned out on scifi.

    by The Transformed Man

    Recent interviews regarding TORCHWOOD indicate that he's been in the genre so long he wants to move on. But maybe he'd be up for an anniversary one off.

  • Aug. 19, 2011, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Let's Kill Hitler!!!

    by The Transformed Man

    I too would actually be up for Gillan yelling that as the title appears in the opening of the episode. And.. I'm not kidding.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST

    So the Nazis wereactually robots...

    by CptBlood

    ... controlled by humans from the future... makes sense given the current republican nominees...

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    JOHN DELANCIE is going to be in the next episode of Torchwood.

    by cerberus

    Someone needs to figure out how to get John Delancie to play The Master instead of the forgetable actor they had doing it. Just imagine, a Dr Who villian that isn't lame. John Delancie as The Master. Someone needs to make this happen. Heck, kill Matt Smith and replace him with Delancie.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    darth devious & hornrosilk--snappy openings

    by batmancw

    Though he didn't make a habit of it, and I imagine you both caught it, Tennant's Doctor also opened the Tardis with a snap of his fingers at the end of "Forest of the Dead", as though to prove to himself that it WAS, in fact, possible, despite his having told River it wasn't.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    The Trickster's Brigade & Torchwood

    by batmancw

    Though I have found Torchwood Miracle Day to be largely disappointing, I thought it was interesting that they threw in the idea that the Trickster's Brigade was responsible for the space slug (forgot it's name ) that was to be used to drive FDR crazy and change the outcome of WW2. I guess we'll have to endure the last 3 episodes to find out if they are connected with "the miracle" or not.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Snapping fingers w/TARDIS

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I have this hankering feeling that Matt Smith tried to open the TARDIS doors sometime during the 5th/6th seasons by snapping his fingers, but it didn't open. IIRC, he was getting frustrated trying to open the doors, and did a bunch of things to try to get the doors moving--one of them being snapping his fingers. Any Who fan able to verify if this is true? Or perhaps I'm just going senile.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Seriously, are there Amy and Rory shippers out there?

    by FeralAngel

    Just wondering if ANYBODY cares about their relationship and why Karen Gillian wasted bandwidth talking about it.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    feralangel

    by Mister Vertue

    I care about Amy and Rory's relationship *very* much indeed. I think other people here do too, but I can't say for sure. Well, officially count me as one person who cares.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Fair enough, man_of_vertue

    by FeralAngel

    I just think the real heat's between Amy and the Doctor. River Song is no substitute (she looks like a faded streetwalker, sorry) and I was surprised that Rory's been allowed to butt in this long. But I'm looking at this situation the wrong way, I suppose. The Doc can't hook up with anyone permanently, as I understand it (newbie here. Or "Whobie" I suppose is the word. I've only been watching Who since "Christmas Carol", which got me hooked). So having Amy latch onto the Doc would be problematic to the story, I guess.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 8:31 a.m. CST

    if you go to the dr who website on the bbc

    by emeraldboy

    look at amy ponds hand. it is touching the dr's jacket. one of her finger nails looks green and there is something on the palm of her hand. her other hand is away from rorys back. I cant see if there is anything on that hand.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST

    the more I look at that picture on the dr who bbc website

    by emeraldboy

    it looks almost like a stargate in the background. in that picture amy looks panicked and rory looks very pasty looking. when the dr said to amy my life in your hands amelia pond. was that meant as a life or death thing. is she the impossible astronaut.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST

    feralangel - "River == Faded Streetwalker"

    by DVaderRIP

    She may be old enough to be your mother (by a good ten years), but that doesn't make her a 'faded streetwalker'. Christ, what a terrible thing to say. Not everyone who watches Doctor Who is 14 - and you might be surprised to learn that women actually live past the age of 28.... When you're 48 my friend, you'll be lying next to a fat bloated husk of the woman you knew at 24, and you'll cry into your pillow every night that you don't have a wife who looks like Alex Kingson. So give it a rest with the stupid comments, alright?

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I was referring to her looks, not her age, dvaderrip

    by FeralAngel

    Sorry for the "stupid comment" but I like the actresses I watch to be at least pleasant-looking, which River, to me, is not. Don't care what age they are. I saw a picture of Goldie Hawn not long ago and she's amazing and she's gotta be like 70 now? While River looks like she could have been the Doc's nanny. And BTW, there is a difference between a woman you love and an actress you watch on TV or at the movies. One is your soul-mate who is your soul-mate no matter how many lines or veins or age spots sprout; the other is eye candy with (hopefully) some acting talent. That's how I divide them anyway.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    feralangel

    by DVaderRIP

    Apology accepted, but I still don't get it. So your barometer goes directly from "pleasant looking" to "faded streetwalker"? That's one hell of a jump in my view. As far as Goldie is concerned, she's 65, and yes, she looks great (she always has). And yes, I would agree she is empirically better looking than Kingston, and let's be honest always has been. But what a shame that female roles have to be about 'eye candy' first, as you put it, and acting talent second. How shallow. Granted, Kingston actually *is* old enough to be Matt Smith's nanny - by quite a few years. But I don't see this hard cut-off point where a woman of 48 is either totally implausibly gorgeous and looks fifteen years younger (cf. Demi Moore, Courtney Cox), or is a dirty fish faced old slapper. To me, Kingston looks good for 48 in the way that a 'normal' woman would look good for 48 - meaning, when someone says 'she's 48', I would believe them. Moffat could quite easily have cast Michelle Ryan in the role, and that would have been that for the kids right? Because to them, she's quite old anyway at 27. But he has been clear that he wanted to show that when a woman turns 40 she doesn't have to start drinking Winter Soup and reading Thomas Hardy every Saturday night. Not everyone looks like Courtney Cox, or Tom Cruise, at 48 - and I suspect you'll appreciate the (very few) characters for 'normal' looking people when you get a bit closer to that age.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Dirty fish faced old slapper

    by FeralAngel

    Dvaderrip, I don't know where you got that euphemism, but it made my day. I laughed out loud. You also made a good point. Allow me to apologize again - I'm sorry if I bugged you. Tastes differ, after all, and variety IS the spice of life. Well spoken, sir or lady.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    cerebus

    by Renee Knowles

    "Forgettable actor"? Wow. Have you seen UK Life on Mars?

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Protocol417

    by cerberus

    Okay, how about this. He stinks in the role. Delancie would knock that shit out of the park. For the first time The Master would actually be worthy of his name.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 3:53 a.m. CST

    feralangel

    by DVaderRIP

    Lol no worries ;)

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 3:54 a.m. CST

    cerebus

    by DVaderRIP

    He's a great actor, but I wouldn't have cast him as the Master that's for sure. Delancie, frankly, is a bit long in the tooth for the role - and on top of that, whenever I watch Delancie in anything, I see Q.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST

    John Simm

    by GeptaOO1

    was BRILLIANT as the master.... and in UK Life on Mars!

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST

    No mavalcar, he wasn't.

    by cerberus

    He wasn't very menacing and his attempts to be funny were painful.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST

    RE:Feralangel.

    by notspock2

    I think I am gong to be a bit Chivalrous here... Can we please remember when we are saying people look like "faded streetwalkers" or such like that it says quite a lot more about US and how we see the world ( Beauty being pretty inarguably subjective) than it does about them.. Personally, just because i've never met someone and don't know them it doesn't make it ok for me to chuck out insults about the way they look. Also, specifically in this case, please remember you are talking about a person who is in real life, likely a friend, or a friend of a friend of one of our regular Docbackers. If it was a friend of yours being spoken about, how would you feel? And remembering all that. Please, try not to respond like that again, we're trying to make a better world here... one docback at a time...

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Karen Gillan

    by Relugus

    I would lick her form head to toe and make her cum a thousand times. She is so hot its insane. I think she's a pretty good actress too, but I find it hard to be objective because I am too busy fantasising about her. As for Mr. Hitler Anyhow, it must have been hugely tempting for the writers to make a Youtube reference. The Doctor: "Big fan of your other work, not so keen on the genocides and wars stuff. I love your YouTube videos, funny stuff!" Hitler: "Youtube?" The Doctor: "Oh...hasn't been invented yet, but it will revive your career. How's that for redemption, Adolf?"

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 8:52 a.m. CST

    there is a new bbc dr who page.

    by emeraldboy

    still looks star gate-y. gone are river song, the silent, the pyramid and those strange looking markings on amy's hand?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    they dont give anything away

    by emeraldboy

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110823_01/The_Cast_and_Crew_Discuss_Lets_Kill_Hitler

  • Ep 12 is called "Closing time" and Ep 13 is called "The Wedding of River Song"

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    i was referring to the epsiode

    by emeraldboy

    lets kill hitler, v'shael. terminator meets innerspace plus indiana jones in 1930's berlin. that's bonkers.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    the wedding of river song?

    by emeraldboy

    who did she marry?

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