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X-MEN: Part III.... man... when it rains it pours

Published at: Jan. 25, 2000, 6:02 a.m. CST

Hey folks, Harry here. Wow... Well I've had a ton of letters about how I had some 'server problems' yesterday. Many of these letters had hypothesized that 'the evil forces at 20th Century Fox had shut AICN down.' Actually, nothing further could be true. I received one letter from Bryan Singer congratulating me on getting the images, and he seemed flabbergasted at how they got out. I spent most of yesterday in contact with my tech-folks, trying to accomadate the traffic which they told me was 20times the regular traffic for AICN, which is already pushing my servers.

Meanwhile, I have been looking over Talk Backs and sorting through the elation, the concern and the disgust with which some of you have reacted to these first images from this movie. And believe me, I do have a degree of hesitation in singing praises to this project. It's just... I'm a 'cup is half full' sorta person. I can imagine this working. I look at those James Marsden pictures of him in the Cyclops uniforms... and I can't help but be a little excited with the anticipation of seeing that crimson optic blast come exploding out of that visor... perhaps cutting a telephone poll in half, taking a chunk out of the side of a building or ripping a car to shreds as it explodes. I look at Halle Berry, and I imagine here irises gone, flying upon the wind that she controls, hurling the elements themselves at some enemy. I look at Xavier, and I imagine that booming voice of Patrick Stewart coming from all around me in the theater as I watch his motionless lips and stare at those commanding eyes. I look at Hugh Jackman, and I try to imagine his voice... hoping that it's a bit gruff... hearing the word BUB come out of his mouth, and hearing the 'shnip' of his claws coming out and glistening in the light as he grinds his teeth and leaps into battle striking with beserker rage.

Where does this... belief... this faith come from? Well, it could be denial, and my way of avoiding thinking of some sort of megaton bomb. But... There have been no screenings of this film for any audience at all. We haven't seen a trailer with footage and dialogue. We haven't seen the rest of it. And I try to imagine badly lit images of say... the Alien costumes from ALIENS, if the actors in them stood upright with their arms at their side, followed by images of the actors smiling at the camera and being pasted in front of the film's logo of a big 'A'.

And more than anything else... I desperately don't want this movie to be bad. I know... and alot of you know that a great Comic Book movie can be made... and will be made someday. Sure this isn't exactly what you know. Be skeptical if that's the way you feel, but don't be insulting to those that do dig this stuff. Anyways... Here's 'The Cat In The Hat' with a shiny new pic for ya...

Thank You kind Sirs and kind Madams. May I be so forward as to say it has been everybit the pleasure to bring you such passions as I have seen being thrown from one polar reaction to another. Harry having donned upon me the moniker of The Cat In The Hat has been a joy that I have rarely known, but I must say that it is interesting to see that so many seem to have so many doubts. Perhaps this image will restore a bit of faith, a glimmer of teeth with upturned corners of mouths. You see I am quite familiar with a great deal of this and that because I am that Cat in the Hat. As a character of fictional origins that are in fact quite based upon just that I have to say that this film does have much more than leather and paint. So eat your Irish eggs and digest that slab of ham, because you really should give a damn. For I have much more to share at some future date that's for sure. Here's a nibble.

The Cat In The Hat

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  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Thought I had some trouble yesterday...

    by I'mAlanPartridge

    glad it's nothing personal. I'm not that pepped up about xmen...but everything I've seen looks like it adapted from the comic (which I have read, like, twice) quite well. I like this set though...xmen cave sorta thing.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:14 a.m. CST

    AM I FIRST??????

    by element4000

    i hope im first this is my first post also! ok first off everyone this movie will rule harry makes since. please be positive for once in your life. be negative against hitler not a movie. sorry thats just my two since what does everyone else think??? hehe im a newbie

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:15 a.m. CST

    damn it im 4th!!

    by element4000

    jeshhh....this sucks i was really wanting to be first...read the above post.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:17 a.m. CST

    ITS 6;00 in the mourning~!

    by element4000

    WHY WASNT I FIRST?? im in last place denial!!! im sorry i know this is annoying...at least im not bitching about the movie....god its goin to kick ass... but i really wanna see the resident evil movie...damn that will rule...er...changin subject

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:23 a.m. CST

    no one forget me...

    by element4000

    i will be first one day....oh i will...and you people can cuss me now (i know you will) but im freakin bored and i wanna be first...www.evilwebsite.cjb.net ....i really hope its rated r to cause no one wants another spawn do we? spawn was great when he was shootin stuff and that it... ok ill finnaly leave now...let the cussing begin.... read the above post to...

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Oh hell yeah

    by wannabe

    This movie seems to be everything I want it to be. the costumes kick ass, Cerebro kicks ass, the plot kicks ass. You know, I think I'm more excited about this than about any other movie ever- I know it sounds sad but after years of being disappointed by Comic Book adaptations that were mediocre (The Shadow) or just plain bad (Steel), I think this is gonna be the one (after Donner's Superman and Burton's Bats, obviously). Now all we want is a decent JLA movie (which I'm working on by the way)

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:40 a.m. CST

    X-Men Cameos?

    by DeeJay

    At this point, it seems as if the casting has gone well, and that the visual effects will be up to par. Time will show if that turns out to be true, but it seems so thus far. The only question mark is the storyline, and Singer's folks are doing a pretty good job of keeping that under raps. One thing that I think might be a nice "touch" would be for the film to have a non-speaking cameo by either Stan Lee or John Byrne. Considering what the two have done for the genre, it would be cool to see one of their faces in a crowd scene (instead of an unknown extra).

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Musings on first...

    by I'mAlanPartridge

    the great thing is, I don't have to boast. Everyone JUST KNOWs. You poor tardy souls...

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 7:21 a.m. CST

    The Gary Busey For Sabretooth Fanclub

    by Justin Sane

    ...looks as if it shall not be a reality. Oh well, I guess the wrestler with the glued-on hair will have to do. Anyway, the production design looks more impressive than the costumes (which I'm sure there will be more griping about here), so I'm 50-50 on the movie right now.... the plot and dialogue and acting may be good, so I'll give it a chance. I enjoyed the pulp-tasticness that was The Shadow and The Phantom, so I just never know. Unfortunately I have also seen the horror of the low-budget Captain America... Er, I forgot what the original point of my post was going to be, so I'll just end it short and sweet.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by Phazer

    I dunno. I think I agree with Harry - these costume pictures do suck, but it might look so much better when we see these guys moving around. Roll on the trailer. Still, Cerebro looks cool. Incidentally, does anyone think we'll see the other type of cameo appearence? Like a small appearence by Gambit, Beast or Banshee (I hate banshee, but his appearence would seem to make sense)?

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Me too

    by Wadeo

    Yeah i definateley noticed the server problems as well,and being as i just got mine up and running properly again,i thought oh no! Not realizing at the time that it was Harry's server and not mine, once i realized this,i stopped i calmed down and just decided to wait to check things out the next day{today},and viola! No problems! Thank the Earthlink and Mac Gods! About the new pic,the set does look pretty cool,even if it's sort of Star Trekish,it looks pretty awesome! I also,{like Harry}am a the cup is half full kind guy,ecspecially with this X-Men Movie. In one of my earlier posts,sure i bitched and moaned about the costumes,and i also think that everybody's intelligent enough to figure out that these are pre-production post-publicity,and not well lighted shots. Even so i think i have some valid points,okay...yeah,i also figured that was just a bad wig they threw on Hally Berry,i still dont think she's right,i hope she proves me wrong,as long as she plays it the way Storm should be she will. But Mystique?? anyone who thinks that looks cool,needs some new glasses,i also think they could get someone better to play her,even though i did'nt say so earlier,after thinking about it,i'm saying it now,in fact they'd be better off switching Fammke's and Rebecca's roles. As i recall Mystique,even though she's blue...was and is much foxier than Jean,which in my opinion is the case with Famkee compared with Rebecca. Now,don't get me wrong they're both very good looking women,i just think Famkee is Hotter,and also i think she has the right face for Mystique,its more chiseled and angular,and they're going with it the way it is,so we'll see,but pleassee put some clothes on that woman! Now i want to make it very clear,that just because i don't think certain costumes or characters look right, does'nt mean i think it'll neccessarily be a bad movie,i never said that,and i'm not saying it now either,even if they look like they're all part of Batman's crew. What is it with Hollywood anyway,they get a good look for one film,{Batman}and they have to use it for every other Comics or action type film that comes out? Take Spawn for example...even though it was'nt the best movie,his costume and cape were awesome! Yeah i know,you're saying that's a perfect example,you see the costume does'nt make the movie,point taken. However why not go the full nine yards and do everything just totally awesome,costumes,actors,story... and again here's to them proving me wrong. By the way,for all of you Usual Suspects fans out there,i did'nt really think that was a great film,okay at best,Masterpiece...hardly. I much preffered "The Negetioter", with Samuel l. Jackson and Kevin Spacey. That being said...i don't have alot of confidence in Bryan Singer,also i hope he proves me wrong. Sure all of these early pics have caused some major concern,but here's to the X-Men being a completely excellent motion picture and blowing al of our concerns to schrapnel! By the way,i heard somewhere,{probably here},that they're running the X-Men trailer during the Superbowl,any truth to that? When is that anyway,this coming Sunday? I think so... Thanx, Wadeo

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Harry you took the words out of my mouth.

    by Xero

    Everthing that Harry said on top is X-actly what I was thinking. Btw Harry, My cup is 1/4 full ;) I still need the Acting, the dialog, the Special FX, and the sets.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Comment on lack of "colorful" costumes...

    by Wizard0022

    I just saw The Fifth Element again recently, and it reminded me of WHY I love it so much... the colors. The designer (Moebius, if I'm not mistaken) managed to create a universe that is completely consistant within itself, has a LIVED IN quality similar to the Star Wars movies, actually SEEMS somewhat plausible, and best of all, is COLORFUL! It's almost like a comic book come to life, without any of the associated hokieness, and it's the first movie in recent history to be able to pull that off (ok... the Matrix pulled it off as well, but for different reasons... the camera angles, the framing of shots, the action sequences). This of course, brings me to my first question: Is it really so impossible to duplicate that success, that every comic-book movie has to be dark? The darkness worked for Batman, the Matrix, and Blade. But in those movies we were dealing with a masked avenger of the night, an apocolyptic future, and a vampire hunter. They're SUPPOSED to be dark. I think if you found a really good costume designer with an attention to detail, you COULD pull off variations on the X-Men's comic-book costumes, without them looking especially lame. Don't like the straight tights look? Add bits and pieces of body armor to the costume. There are enough little things you could do to make your average comic-book costume look real-world plausible, without sapping ALL of the character and color from them. I will say that the current designs for the movie pique my curiosity, and don't look TOO bad (Toad being the exception) but they just seem way too generic to me. These guys don't look like the characters I grew up reading about. --- 'da Wizard

  • Some day, I'll buy that Essential X-Men book, and I'll find out what it's really all about. For now, I'll have to rely on what I learned from the crude but passable cartoon. I have to say, that I do not miss the bright costumes. The costumes were not essential to the characters like Spider-Man, so the way they've gone all Matrix-like is not troubling me. Sure, I wanted Angela Bassett as Storm, and I think is shows signs of a colossal brain fart that Singer and people didn't approach her. But those expectations aside, I like the approach I understand they're taking. If the premise is running the show, and the constumes are toned down, I think this could be a wonderful film. Even Teen Age Mutant Ninja Turtles The Movie looked awful(and sounded worse) but that first film was better than I thought it would be. Yeah, the sequels sucked, but that's a synonymuos term these days. I am amped, and I thank you for getting these images to us, Harry. And I don't care what people say, James Marsden looks good for Cyclops. And quit with the Pretty-boy-as-a-four-letter-word talk, you bums!

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Well, the sets looks cool.

    by Darth Siskel

    I hope this movie is good. I pray this movie is good.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 9:50 a.m. CST

    but the X-men ARE dark...

    by fallenangel

    TThink about it.. they're hated outlaws in a bigoted world that wants to see them dead, while they have to protect this world from mutants who then give the X-men a bad name. Not exactly happy cheery Fantastic Four territory, is it? Either way, I'm starting to look forward to this quite a bit, so we'll just have to see...

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 9:58 a.m. CST

    cameos + Generation X = tv series??

    by Fungus

    Ok I'm not sure where i read it, but i heard there was goingh to be a gen X tv series after the X men movie, I think it was even on chris Bachalo's web site. IF so it is kinda a good move to have jubes etc etc cameos in the movie, and then in the series, the characters being moved from one school (the movie) to another (the series). (they better keep the same actors). I think they were talking about doing a buffy approach with the series, and not so much superhero crap in it, but more about teenages dealing with life etc etc.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 10:18 a.m. CST

    It's "SNIKT!" not "shnip"

    by Karnak

    Wolverine's adamantium claws make a SNIKT sound not a lame shnip sound when they pop. Haha I can just imagine Logan walking into a bar saying can I have a glass of shnops. Damn Harry that is about the only thing that grated my nerves about that article. Though I have to again point out that if Hugh Jackman pops his claws and they pull off his flared gloves I'm going to die laughing! Anyway I think the metting room set looks cool and to the person that feels it looks too Star Treky I point out the fact that it is based on "Shi'ar technology" which would blow anything Star Trek has out of the water. On a funny side note to point this out, did anyone pick up the first x-men/star trek crossover where Gladiator was single-handedly pummeling the the original Enterprise to pieces? The meeting room should be a level or two underground, but nowhere as deep as the batcave. If I were a super-villian and I knew that my archnemisis was holed up in a house without a deep sub-basement I'd just drop a small tactical bomb! Owell this post isn't exactly concise but I'm wondering if they will be having a Danger Room battle sequence in this movie. Man if they do it will be like sooooo buttah. That scene alone, done well mind you, would solidify the X-Men in my mind. One last thing before I go, for all of those who think their costumes epitomize super-heros and especially the x-men, go read those other super-hero team knockoffs with their fancy costumes and see how deep they are. Peace.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Oh and about a Banshee cameo

    by Karnak

    Even though that whole Generation X movie made me hide my head in shame for several weeks am I the only one that thought the guy that played Banshee was pretty on point. The best effect out of that whole debacle was when the Gen X kids were in the front grounds fighting and Banshee came in and did his wail to stop them. The propagating air rippling effect was sooo tight! Oh and to the Fox Network folks, next time you go looking for a babe that can play the White Queen please don't pick someone that could stand in as the "before" picture in one of those late-night wrinkle-cream commercials. Gugh, that gal was very very very *not* hot.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 11:38 a.m. CST

    After waiting 20 years . . . i think the wait will be worth it .

    by Bear Hunter

    First off, Harry . . . . Fuckin' cool job dude. All the web is abuzz by your tremendous coup. All I can say is awesome due . . .simpley awesome (bowing). Though I much more a traditionalist and would have prefered costumers truer to the comics, I can understand the change, but is all that extra padding neccessary? Professor X IS Patrick Steward. 'Nuff Said! Cyclops . . . . he looks prettier than Jean. Storm (Halle Berry) . . . . two words . . . . . . MAKEOVER EMERGENCY. Acrylic does not suit her one bit (Angela, oh Angela . . . . you should have had this part baby . . . . . . . . maybe the sequel . . MWAAAAAAH). Jean . . . . . . one word . . . .CLEAVAGE (Yummers). Mystique . . . . . I like a women who's true blue and can tip the scales (Ouch!). Mageneto . . . . . Mags is gonna rock the world. Glad they got rid of that "Max" Shit. Wolverine . . . . . I'm just waitin' to hear "SNIKT" Bub. You could use a good 40 lbs on youse, but I guess I'm just gonna have to wait and see. Sabertooth . . . Hate the trench coat. Hope it's not fer the whole movie. Singer should take advantage of that body of his. Hell, there's gotta be someone in this flick with some muscle. Rogue . . . Rouge??? Where??? Is she still in the movie??? Come on Harry . . . you gotta us dyin' here. I appreciate the pics ya got so far, but that just wetted our appetite. We're Droolin'. Get back to LA and get a pic of Rouge so I can climax . . . er . . I mean relax. Toad . . . . Yawn! Again, Great Job Harry! X-Men WILL rock! GRRR!

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 12:11 p.m. CST

    this movie still looks lame

    by isnowboard

    when are you fanboys going to realize that you are pathetic...this movie is going to suck ass

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 12:52 p.m. CST

    you guys have some really funny talkbacks... but let's really lo

    by Agent Sharpe

    this is the first time in a while that I've talked back. mainly because it stopped feeling like a cool discussion with like-minded and similarly enthused individuals, and more like a weak pre-teen bash-fest to see who could one-up the previous guy. I mean, who cares about that? (I'm aware of the bashes I'll get for that - whatever). as you may remember, I'm one of the guys who has read the now famous Andrew Kevin Walker draft of X-MEN, and loved that. I also talked about Cameron's Spiderman treatment (guys I've gotta say, READ THAT if you can! it really is AMAZING) and how disappointed I was that Cameron was not on the movie. And the Wachowski's I'm the guy who argued with many on the validity of the Matrix... blah, blah, blah. I also said, as I've said before, that X-MEN is all about the treatment. of the story, of the characters. I said if that wasn't taken in the proper context... then all was lost. but I stopped writing cause it was like no one out there knows what the hell it is they're talking about. I mean, there are clearly guys who are having fun with it - but the bashing fun is lame and turned me off. why bother putting that negativity out there. it takes effort to created anything, even a talkback, so why make it negative. critical I can handle. negative is just plain... negative. Harry was right about taking the pictures in context. for anyone who knows anything about film, lighting, or the movie-making process, they know to do that with the pictures. It's obvious that most of you out there do not. Am I asking you guys to all be filmmakers? No. Am I saying you should all go to filmschool and see how hard it is to make films before you criticize films? No way. but I am saying that you should admit that you don't know about the process - that "the making of" is something that you can't wrap your head around. It's funny how negative people can be when they have the luxury of sitting back and watching; when the only contribution that they have to make is to crane their head in the general direction of what's going on, and they can't even do THAT without bitching and complaining about it. I guess I feel so strongly because (as Puff Daddy would say:) I can't stand a player-hater. a player, being someone who's out there, doin' it for real, playin' the game (no matter how good or bad) and doin' it their way. the hater just hates mainly cause they AREN'T doing. they're too scared, or not talented enough to do it themselves, so it's safe and easy to just judge and criticize. but that's bullshit. and it's lame. I also feel so strongly because look at how harshly this is being judged, this turns someone like me off - if I wanted to do a superhero movie, this sure is a deterrent... (for those who don't remember I'm a filmmaker who's made a film for Sundance in 1998, and who's working on a few more currently. who am I? not gonna say right now). That's not to say I don't have an opinion on the look of the costumes. I'm a little weirded out by the way they all look the same, and all look sort-of "black-just-to-be-black" and very BATMAN-1/motorcycle-ish. but so what? it really all depends on the script. if the ideas are strong, and the tone of the way they treat the ideas holds up, then the flick will be solid. The team making the movie is... a pretty good set of people. Singer has shown that he can take big ideas and do some cool stuff with them. he's also shown that he can do a lot with a little, and handle a dramatic theme that could easily be cheesy if mishandled - think hard about the ideas in the Usual Suspects, it could've been a nightmare if not for the approach in direction. but, as I've said, the script is the KEY, and Suspects had a killer one. So we'll see. Frankly, I don't see the need for the drastic change in costume-ware for the x-team, there should be a reason for them to wear "costumes" at all. that should be explained. because none of these conceal their identities whatsoever. so... whatever. bringing something like this to the screen is one hell of a job. the thought of maintaining any kind of vision with all the obstacles present in making a Hollywood film today is STAGGERING! you may remember that I said the NO FILMMAKER wants to deal with that kind of hassle - this is why Cameron left Spiderman. what's "the Hassle" that I'm talking about? think of all the most adamant talkbackers, pick the ones with the most articulate opinions (the more conflicting the better) and then imagine that each of them has a 4% stake in the millions of dollars that are being put into the film. that's what it's like. and it's awful! I'm surprised anything gets made, and I

  • <sniff> brings a tear to my eye. Looks pretty decent. Like I said, I don't really care as long as the lighting and direction are good and the actors get to the heart of the characters. The rest is malleable. I was going to also give Harry a hard time for not using the infamous <snikt> for Logan's claws, but I'll let it slide this time. Thanks for the pictures!

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I imagine...

    by spider-man

    I look at those James Marsden pictures and I can't help but get a little nauceous remembering the 70's TV Spider-man with silly string coming out of his "shooters"... perhaps being pulled up the side of a building on a two inch safety harness by two union grips. I look at Halle Berry, and I imagine really bad weather effects a la the Doctor Strange TV series. I look at Hugh Jackman, and I try to cringe at how much he reminds me of Reb Brown in a motorcycle helmet, pretending to be Captain America. I dunno folks, it looks kinda frightening to me...like nipples on the batsuit. Oh well, there's always Blade 2 and Raimi's Spider-man.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Hello

    by omegazombie1

    JABADADADADA

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I'm glad Singer remains gay

    by nighthawk rambler

    Mr. Knowles I sympathize with your tech support problem. We had a ground to air missle who's targeting malfunction cost us a U-2 in Afghanistan. God is in the details he truly is. I would like to commend commander Knowles on a inspired philosophy, "don't judge the cake till it's out of the oven." If Nixon had revealed his China policy before it was properly aged we never would have had the phrase, "Only Nixon could go to China." Seeing Mr. Singers vision without the finishing touches is like seeing a young lady with her knickers in tatters you can't see the goods for the ill shapen box that it comes in.But if any of you fan boy flamin' misfits get any more uppity I've got a few noxious fumes you might find in your ducts. It ain't gonna make you grow a new head but you might start growin' hair on your tongue. And if Mr. Singer is gay it seems to me his being in a bouyant mood will boost the cinematic out come of this tender affair. And by the fan boy by, who the hell is this kid that calls himself Warrior has he seen combat, if so I guess nobody ever alerted him of the don't ask don't tell policy. I've seen his type before, bluster like his melts in the light of true battle, "warrior" my gentically altered,and enhanced ass! If I do see you in hell you panty waist you better pray you see me first. I'm Nixon's Night hawk I got Warriors hell fire swingin'. Consider the gauntlet thrown!

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Complaints about the new X-Men movie

    by PuckNutt9

    Some of you guys are already pissin' all over the movie, and no one has even SEEN the damn thing! All any of us have seen are these test shots..."The costumes just aren't doing it for me"?? "Movie still looks lame"? Damn. Have you guys already SEEN the movie? As far as the costumes, I think they look cool...the X-Men costumes were ALWAYS changing in the books, who's to say that we can't update them a little bit?? Were you expecting Cyclops in blue costume with a big yellow X across his chest, and a big bright yellow visor?? No. The movie is made to be believable in today's world, and what they might actually dress like, look like, or even act like. If I remember right, they're outlaws from society, right? Being hunted, are you going to hide in a dark alley, or scale a wall in the middle of the night in some bright costume? I don't think so. We have all seen them for years in books, maybe it IS a little getting used to...or maybe you guys need to separate your lives in the comic books from your lives in reality.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:37 p.m. CST

    A girl's point of view...also, is there a trailer on the net?

    by Chadra

    I seem to have remembered reading an earlier post, of someone who said: The trailer looks much better than the released cast pictures. Trailer where? Secondly, I also remember someone asking if there were any females out there who would like to comment on the choice of the women on the cast. Personally, I would have them picked a more tribal woman, an actress with ebony skin, and prominent african features. Also helps to have a tribal accent. Ororo was from the heart of Africa herself. Instead, they chose the coffee and cream complextion of kitten mewling Berry. I feel she will help bring in sales with her name alone, so I suppose there are plausible reasons. YES, Sex does sell, and from a woman's point of view, I see nothing wrong with that. I like mystique's costume a lot, and I'm glad that most of the costumes do not resemble that of the comic book. While those blue and yellow costumes look awesome on paper, BELIEVE ME it does not hold true for real life. I'm tired of seeing the generic wolverine costumes at comic book conventions, or the tight two toned spandex of Rogue's suit on REAL people ((with tons of cellulite)). Anyways...Kudos on the costumes. P.S. WHERE is gambit *cry* hehe, I wish Keanu Reaves was gambit...THAT would have sold.... -=Lady Chadra=- P.s.s. Email me @ ladychadra@aol.com if you have any info on a trailer on the net.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Right on man

    by Psyberia

    I almost stopped reading the article myself (yeah right, it's XMEN!) after I heard Harry write "shnip" as the sound of Wolvie's claws. Everybody and their mother knows it's SNIKT! At least that's how it's always written in the comics. But if you want to get technical, then I guess SNIKT sounds kinda lame too when you say it out loud :) Great scoops though Harry! And I am ever so grateful for the better quality picture this one turned out to be. Those other ones weren't even worth saving to my computer!

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Damn... this is getting to be a ...

    by JON1969

    bit hot! Everyone is flamin' ... pick a side ... the Brotherhood of Evil mutants or The X-men! Holy shit! Anyway, I must thank Harry for the job of scooping everyone on these X-men pics! GREAT JOB!!!! To the costume defenders and costume destroyers ... everyone has a point! To the people who slam the FANBOYS ... be very careful, because you guys come off like some fanboys yourselves ... and what is so bad about being a fanboy ... HELL ... anyone who posts on this crazy cool ass site is some type of "movie comic sc-fi fantasy geeky nerd mutant fan type of something or the other" ... To the fanboys ... stay fanboys! To the people you say ..." remember they are starting from the beginning" ... NO THEY ARE NOT! Still ... I'm not as upset as most people ... about this project ... I have a friend who maybe reading this right now .... WHO HATES THE COSTUME and believes the movie will suck eggs ... still he thinks that Spider-man should sport the black costume. GO FIGURE?! To the people who slam others with that "well such and such is making the movie ... not you .. or thats why such and such makes movies and you don't ..." Listen ... you really have no idea what anyone does on this site ... present the valid points ... and debate them! Is this the X-men film I wanted? NO! Still I will take a wait and see approach. I really don't like the costumes ... much ... but still I hope the actors can pull it off. I have my doubts. And that's just my opinion. Can they pull off a Superhero movie? I believe that it can be done ... with someone who's vision is true to the material. Another point ... several people have stated that crew on this film is trying to bring it to a boarder crowd ...the general public and etc. Not the fanboys ... well, answer me this ... didn't the fans create the appeal of this product by buying the comics and watching the animated series and writing to the Comic company and demanding a movie for ... however many years ... and buying those damn action figures!!!! Attending comic book conventions .... So please stop with that mass appeal pitch ... you guys sound like suits ... oh how would I know, because I have met a number of them. Does this make me someone ... NO! and I will never go out of my way to slam another person's opinion unless I am attacked directly ( you listening Mr.E ) ... lets hope that the X-men is good ... if not bring on Spider-man and keep your head low as the flamin' will really heat up! Before I leave ... keep up the passion .... EVERYONE!!!! Good or bad ... everyone shoud be heard ... and stop slamming Harry ... he doesn't create the films. He just give the natives pieces of meat to fight over.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Hopes

    by Clark

    Okay. "Snikt." That having been said, I am not a fan of the current X-Men titles. I use to read them, but they just got too convoluted for my taste. I always enjoyed the cartoons, just as I have enjoyed (almost) all of the comic related properties. I am also hoping this is "The One." I will love to see the team on screen, but at the same time I'm fighting to keep the fanboy in me down; and trying to look at the film objectively. If they can make a good X-Men movie, it'll pave the way for the movie we're really all waiting for: Spider-Man. I think it would be best, to take all the prelims as they are, and hope for the best. My two cents.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 7:06 p.m. CST

    This Movie will be PHAT!!!!

    by Forge

    This movie will be good. Even if it's not I still will probably like it. I liked the shadow and spawn. However I don't collect those books like I do with x-men. I have been collecting for 7 years and have every issue of the latest x-men series. For the person who commented on the underground lair. The actual training and breifing rooms are underground in the comic. What would would really be cool in this movie is a danger room scene. That would be just as good as the fight scene in the matrix. Well thats my $.02

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Where are the Sentinels?

    by Critic

    Hopefully we'll see a squad of Shaw's Sentinels do in the X-Men, Magneto and his Brotherhood of Evil Mutants....this way we won't have to be subjected to a sequel of this bastardized production of a comic book masterpiece. Ororo/Storm looks horrid. Wolverine...he's going to be the laughing stock of this movie. Cyclops...he looks OK. Prof. X: Perfect! Magneto: Another laughing stock...how old is this dude Ian anyway....100 years old probably. Looks nothing like Magnus! Mystique: another mistake. She looks like some sort of blue Klingon. Garbage!!!! Sabertooth: My lil' nephew could have glued on that hair alot better. Oh well, what can you expect. I was really looking forward to this movie....but Marvel has a history of screwing up their properties when making movies about them. Look at their track record: Fantastic Four, Dr, Strange and Captain America. Blade was so far the only success. I can't wait to hit the ComiCon in San Diego this year after this movie flops...I'm going to laugh right in Stan and Avid's faces. LMAO!!! I guess I'll have to wait for Blade2 and shall I dare say Spider-Man!

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 7:40 p.m. CST

    to Gorgar, the guy with the really cool name

    by Agent Sharpe

    Touche. I did go on and on. Sorry about that, I got carried away. But I've gotta ask: Do you know what you're talking about? Do you know what to extrapolate from a press picture? Who I was speaking to were the nay-sayers of today's and yesterday's posts on the matter of costumes, and to a greater extent, the making of the movie in general. And really who I'm speaking about are guys like YOU that have nothing to say but the bullshit you said. "ho ho, the puff daddy quote." It was there to illustrate just how silly this entire debate is. Jeeze, if you didn't get THAT, I really can't help you. I liked what YOU had to say... because you didn't say ANYTHING, and make my point for me. Atleast express an opinion, are you capable of that? That's just the problem with the talkbacks these days, mine may have been long, but atleast I talked about something, instead of SOMEONE. Yeah man, what you said was really cool AND FUNNY (let's not forget that). Do you have a hard time getting people to listen to you? Are you starved for attention or something? You should take that crap somewhere else, cause we're talking about something we happen to care just a little bit about here. Sorry, everyone. I'm just tired of guys like this: the post-Gen-Y losers who need a little attention. "Gorgar" thanks a lot. Boy you sure set me straight. (and in case you missed it - that was sarcasm, you inarticulate loser.)

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Gorgar, the guy with the really cool name

    by Agent Sharpe

    Touch

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Two thoughts/questions

    by Darth Voice

    This doesn't really have anything to do with the previously posted picture (although I must say that it is pretty cool), but I have recently had two thoughts about this film that I would appreciate if anyone could answer them. First, although no one could probably answer at this time, I really would like to know how the actors are going to speak their lines, what kind of accent they are going to use. I wish Singer and Co. have looked to the cartoon and possibly simulated the voices from that because the voice actors for the show were very good. However, this is not an urgent matter. Second, if I recall correctly, the character of Henry Gyrich is in the film. I don't know if anyone has brought this up, but didn't he turn out to be under the control of Apocalypse? I am pretty sure that it was on the cartoon, but does anybody know if it happened in the comics as well? If this is true, we might possibly be seeing Apocalypse at the end of this film, or in the next one if this does relatively well.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Get this months wizard

    by Cue1212

    They have picture of a Mystic (sp?) and you can tell that it's Rebecca Stomas under the make up the costume and make up look absolutely different than the early pictures Harry got I was relieved because it's about as good as one could ask so I have hope.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Agreed, Gorgar

    by mechanimal

    Sorry, Sharpe, it doesn't matter what point you're trying to illustrate, quoting god-damn PUFF LAMEASS DADDY is perhaps the lamest thing I could possibly imagine. The most talentless hack imaginable, a man who simply does Karaoke and sells it as his own. Just the fact that you can quote the guy nauseates me! The only quote of his I ever want to hear is, "Guilty, your Honor" before they lock his punk ass up. Bitch deserves to get raped in prison for (a)Theft (of other songs), and (b)contaminating Jennifer's sweet, sweet ass.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 8:49 p.m. CST

    That Wizard pic isn't real

    by Timmy_C

    Sorry, Cue, that pic ain't real. It's an old pic of Rebecca, coloured Blue in Photoshop. Looks cool, but not the real thing. And I like the real thing better anyways.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Anybody know about the Danger room ?

    by Frenchnick

    I personnaly believe that anybody who likes weird goons jumping around town, raving havok, look a lot more believable as we see them here than in any shiny color spandex. Give Singer his chance. A lot a poeple booed Batman but it is now regarded as a unique movie with the right "Dark knight" atmosphere. All the actors look ok (apart from the red hair, who can tell me what jean grey looks like?) and P.Steward IS Prof X. I believe that the critics from all the hardcore fans reading for 20 years who believe in colorful, credible heros on the big screen, and know the x-men by heart should GET A LIFE ! I believe that this flick will take a while to sink in, but when it does... It will blast you all. And if you judge the movie and already know it's terroble just by looking at these few pictures, well... you must live a sad life... And can anybody tell me if there's a chance we'll get to see the DANGER ROOM ? CU All

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 8:55 p.m. CST

    How do you know if you're banned or not?

    by user id indeed!

    Just curious.GO RAMS!!

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 8:56 p.m. CST

    mechanimal, dude, what the hell are you doing getting in our con

    by Agent Sharpe

    who the hell are you? what are you thinking? do you have the sense God gave you? Is this a discussion on Puff Daddy? did you read what I posted? can you even read at all? I could've sworn we were all talking about the X-men movie here? Am I the one who has this wrong? I'm not even gonna entertain that retarded, lame-assed comment with the chiding that you so greatly deserve. try reading it again, loser, or step away.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 9:36 p.m. CST

    back to the subject of the x-men movie

    by Jammin734

    Okay, Sharpe, I agreed completely with your post about the script -- we'll just have to wait it out and not make judgements now. But weren't you against bashing? You seemed to be getting dragged into one (just wanted to give you the heads up). Yes, there are people who will be negative, it sucks, but its life. Deal with it. Now that that's said and done. The costumes look fine. I'm greatly anticipating this movie -- Hell it's *every* fanboy's dream to see the X-Men on the Silver Screen -- and think that the realistic costumes add to the movie. I mean, honestly, how seriously would you take a team of yellow and blue freaks? Yes, it looks good on paper but not in the movies. (That was said already I know, and I apologize to whoever it was for stealing your line.) Alls I've got to say is, "in the end, the pics look great, but you'll only have an IDEA of where the movies going by actual footage. 'Til the trailer appears, enjoy the comics!" Laterz. Jammin734

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Russel Crowe...

    by MrKearns

    ... is gay? That's what I've been hearing lately. I dunno if it's true, but it would've fit in with the role of Wolvie had he taken it. I dunno. Hell, remember that purple suit he wore in Virtuosity? Well... anyway, enough ranting from me. So long as he stays Bud White and doesn't go Snow White, if he is gay... just fine with me.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Wow...skip out a few days, look what you miss...

    by Niiiice

    I've never heard of over half these guys on talkback. Who the hell is Agent Sharpe? Yet another play off of "agent" motif of Agent Cole and Agent Cooper? Oh well. I don't think I've missed anything that hasn't been said over a hundred times in "X-Men Part II" or "X-Men scoop" or "Character sketches of X-Men"...

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 9:46 p.m. CST

    To whoever wanted to know about the Danger Room

    by Niiiice

    I guess news on the internet gets old quicker than stale donkey dung, but some people might remember the story a while back that dealt with a treatment of the script by Joss Whedon that included a supposedly riveting action sequence in the Danger Room. Word had it that the big wigs cut the sequence because it was too expensive, even though Whedon begged them to leave it in...

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Harry, You are Da MAN!

    by TGnome

    Thanks for getting these Harry. If you get one of Rogue, you will make my millenium! I for one am optimistic about this film. I think that too many "comic book" movies have been ruined by trying to remain TOO true to the comics. It stifles the creative talents of those fortunate souls who get to make them. As long as the characters and their powers are the same, the story is good, the directing inspired, and the acting well done, the movie will be great. If those are all good, and Jean/Famke doesn't have red hair, who will care? Not I! Thanks again, TGnome

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 10:26 p.m. CST

    x men movie

    by weapon X YZ

    give it a chance looks cool to me .. also the reports in are that the costumes will change in the movie

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Costumes, Make-up and changes...maybe too late

    by StoneMonkey

    The pic of Halle Berry looked great, save for the un-tweaked eyebrows and 'blue' eyes. YES blue eyes. They only change color when using her weather powers. She's also 5'11" according to Marvel. Hugh Jackman had better do some serious squatting action if he's taller than Halle in costume or out. I was a little dissapointed that they(meaning Donner and Singer) didn't get Rob Bottin to do the claw effects on Wolverine. I'm sure the CGI effects will do nicely. Bottin would have done a bangup job on both Wolvy and Sabretooth as well. He's a Rick Baker protege if you remember correctly and he did win an Oscar for his makeup work on 'LEGEND.' Cerebro looks way cool. The helmet almost mirrors the comic version. I can see where the door in the teaser 'A' poster came from. Sabretooth, makeup-wise looks like some wildman from the hills. Kinda hippy looking. I wouldn't want to mess with a feral, 7 ft tall, psychopath with claws and fangs. I would've left the moustache off Tyler mane though. Trim it down a little. Ray Park is really the only one I'm really worried about. Picture was very blurry and looked like he just struck the pose for the hell of it. I couldn't see any makeup on him at all. The street clothes are questionable. Hopefully everything translates well on the screen and isn't very cheezy. I'm impressed so far. Looks like Donner/Singer and Co. have something to knock Bats and Supes for a loop. Sorry to dissappoint, but I sincerely hope Jubilee isn't going to have a cameo in the film. Very bad continuity if they did. Nightcrawler, Angel, Shadowcat(Kitty), Bobby Drake(Iceman), Hank(Beast), I can see. Jubilee and Gambit is just wrong. Maybe in the later films, but not here. Too many mutants in the beginning spoils it for me. I personally think Nightcrawler, Angel, Beast, and Kitty should be featured more prominently in the sequel. Whatever they do, they shouldn't mess with the continuity. I have a casting suggestion for the second film and possibly a new GEN X TV Film. Jeff Goldblum in heavy makeup as Hank/Beast. Michael Hurst(Hercules TLJ) as Sean Cassidy/Banshee, Heather Locklear as Emma Frost/The White Queen. Jubilee should be asian as she has always been. Now that's casting. Later....

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 10:56 p.m. CST

    EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THEIR ROLE AND SHUT THE HELL UP..lol...read

    by TheGreatOne

    MY P.O.V. on the X-men project so far...well honestly..as one of the X-men's biggest fans..I'm content with just seeing the movie period.. The thought of seeing the words "20th Century Fox Presents...X-Men"...just sends chills down my spine...from the chracter promo shots I've seen on this site and the rumors buzzing around the net, I can honestly say somethings really irk me..or they arent like I expected..I mean..Storm with a Miss Kitty wig on?..hmmm...Wolverine in all black leather?..hmm...talk about a wedgie...can anyone spell dominatrix?..lol...But I'm not gonna get all hissy about it..I wouldnt blame them in choosing to lace the characters in leather..I mean...would u rather see them in spandex or polyester?..Nope..And as for the villains..well..I wish we could at least see Juggernaut or The Sentinels(I think they'll be in the movie) but I assume 20th Century Fox and The Producers wanna see if this movie is a big hit, or big hyped flop, and if it does well this summer, we'll definitely see a sequel with ALL the chracters we know and love..But who knows..basically what i wanna say about all this is...EVERYBODY STOP NIT-PICKING THE MOVIE,OK?..if the world was up to me and I was director of this movie, it would be a kick-ass movie with special effects, some martial arts, and the best cast and costumes ever seen in a motion picture(at least in my eyes) but everyone has different opinions, so u cant just dislike a movie cuz ur favorite character is dressed like a geek, or cuz it doesnt live up to ur expectations...to each man his own. Besides..could it get any worse? This is gonna be one of the biggest hyped movies of the summer(and this is only january people..look at all the hype) and its gonna be a GREAT SUMMER BLOCKBUSTER..whether it disappoints..I dont think it weill..you've got kids who are gonna like the comic feel..teens who are gonna see it cuz they read the comic..and adults..GROWN PEOPLE who are gonna be nit-picking every detail...the saddest of the three..well everyone..we'll see soon how the verdict is on this movie..untill then..*Know Ur Role* *Snikt!* P.S...WHERE THE HELL IS ARCHANGEL AND PSYLOCKE???

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Stop complaining

    by Super-Unseen

    I'm a casual fan of the X Men. I occasionally shell out a few dead presidents to read the book. I, in no shape or fashion, am not a fanatic.. . . . . .but some of you people are. It's a movie, not a 3-D comic. Give Mr Singer some credit. I think he's doing a great job so far(costumes and all). What in the hell is wrong with the costumes?!?!? So what, they don't look ANYTHING like the originals. But let's be realistic: How serious would you take a grown man Running around in a yellow and blue latex suit (did I forget to mention that he would also be wearing a mask with 8 inch long wolf ears). If you ask me, the story itself is too far from reality as is. Watch the GODDAMN movie first, then pass judgement you picky motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Aaaargh! Learn, dammit, LEARN!

    by Wyndham Earle

    Well the costumes annoyed me a lot. It just seems to me to be another pointless movie change for change's sake. As far as I'm concerned it's the same as the Star Trek costumes. These days, each time a new movie opens, they change the costume. There's just no damn point. You don't see Superman's costume going through changes over the course of 4 movies do ya? Tim Burton's Batman - the costumes there were simply made of a different material. Once they let the likes of Schumaker loose on the job, in came the rubber nipples and the little masks. And again with the X-men, and with a director that I had hoped would have a little more class. It didn't need to be done, and let's face it, they changed the costumes presumably to be cool and original, when the cool and original option would have been to *dare* to leave them as they were in the comics. As for the look of the characters, I just fuckin despair. Learn from the Godzilla debacle. Learn from the comics. Jean Grey has red hair - Wolvie calls her "red". Not any more, apparently. At least Wolvie looks kind of like Wolvie, but I'd have still preferred to have Jean-Claude Van Damme play the part (not because I like the pointless little ballet-dancing looney, but to validate his worthless existence - I'm sure it would have worked, because he had the accent, the skills and the size). I've no idea what to expect now. Will it be Lost In Space or Godzilla, or The Mummy all over again? A central concept ripped to shreds in order to get butts on seats? I wouldn't be surprised, and if that is the case, don't be surprised if it fails dismally (and I don't mean money-wize). Anyway, I will continue to hope against hope that one day someone sees the light and puts an end to all this nonsense. It ain't broke - don't fix it.

  • Jan. 25, 2000, 11:44 p.m. CST

    And another thing...

    by Wyndham Earle

    Just once (JUST ONCE) I'd like to see a movie that is warts n' all faithful to its source. Yes, as some of you point out, it could well be ridiculous, grown men running around in blue and yellow with big Xs, Wolvie's comedy ears... yadda yadda - point is, now we'll never know. No one has the balls to say "I'm gonna do it EXACTLY the way it is here". Why is that? Just in case it fails? It seems to me that doing it EXACTLY the way it is in the original is a pretty waterproof excuse - "we did it exactly the way it is in the comics - what's the problem?" That way, all you need is a good script and a good story, and the rest is already there. We have the technology to make films that work in the same way as comics, surely.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 12:19 a.m. CST

    X-Men should be an Animated Movie!!!

    by Dr.Knockboots

    Why is that every single movie based on Video Game or other fictional/fantasy charaters must be done in a live-action format? Don't you people remember the horrors of previous films? Super Mario Brothers, Street Fighter:The Movie (Jean Claude Van Dame) Mortal Kombat, Spawn...All of these movies were more or less horrible representations of the characters and their fantasy world...Spawn was devoid of all of the adult themes that made the comic book so popular. Have you guys seen the Animated Spawn series on Hbo? The animation is only average but was a hell of a lot more enjoyable than the friggin' movie! Also, you should take a look at the Japanese Animated version of Street Fighter,it stays true the game and nothing looks cheesy! With animation you can make things look a helluva alot cooler than with actual actors. If X-Men were done in a animated format (With top quality animation of course) we wouldn't need to worry about corny freakin' costumes or weather or not the chosen actor represents their onscreen persona. X-Men is a comic book and it should retain it's comic book elements. It would also be nice to break the sterotype that Animation is strictly for children,I hate it when people only think that Disney films offer the best animation and thus anything animated is for children. If you want to see for yourself go rent Street Fighter:The Movie and then go watch Street Fighter:The Animated Movie, the difference is obvious...

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Doesn't Wolvie look like David Cassidy.

    by TheShape

    It's pretty bad when the world's baddest motherfucking purveyor of the whup-ass more closely resembles a washed up teen idol than his namesake. Oh God, please see to it that this movie does not suck.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 12:39 a.m. CST

    once again...

    by Jovian

    Once again. Another board full of the same exact comments and gripes like the one before it. Can I stress to you people, these photos of the cast ARE P.R. SHOTS! For the extremely fucking retarded that stands for Public Relations. No editing, no lighting, no special effects, no air brushing, no fucking nothing! Everyone saw Sigorney Weaver in Galaxy Quest yes? Her hair was blonde in it yes? At the Golden Globes it was Brown yes? Its called dye. For all we know these press shots were taken before the shooting even started. What I am trying to say is, I am sure her hair will be fucking red in the movie, and if it isnt, who fucking cares! I mean if you people are gonna get that critical. Then you should be all pissed that all the original members arent in this flick, namely Bobby and Hank. If you're gonna bitch about authenticity, then bitch about that. Im tired of hearing people moaning about Storm and Jean's fucking hair. Enough! And to Agent, great post.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 12:44 a.m. CST

    In wait mode

    by Ally_Kat

    I'm excited about the X-men movie, no mistake about it. I'm more excited about this movie than The Phantom Menace. I hate football but I'm still going to sit down and watch it so I don't miss the X-men trailer if it is shown. I've been a Wolverine fan for years, about 15 years. In fact, I'm sitting here with the original Weapon-X book reading it for the 100th time. So, being an established fan, what do I think of the costumes, casting, etc..? Well, I'm going to wait until I actually see the movie before I get hot under the collar. There's so much rumor and speculation, how can one possibly make any reasonable assumptions? Brian Singer is a fan, he's been an X-Men fan for longer than many of you have been alive. If it was just some Joe Blow wanting to make a buck, I'd be worried. About the costumes. I'm glad the X-Men are not wearing their "traditional" jammies. The costumes are the only aspect I really dislike about superheros. Look at it this way: If you're a super hero heading out to stop the bad guys, the last thing you want to do is to go out wearing clothing that make you a BIG bright target that screams "KILL ME, I'M A SUPERHERO!" Why do you think soldiers wear camouflage? Seriously, the bright costumes are silly and not very practical. Anyway, awesome info so far on my most anticipated movie event of 2000. -Allie

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 12:46 a.m. CST

    What could kill a good movie?

    by milkman_the_king

    ...here goes nothing. I've been an X-men/comic fan for 9 years (since the age of 7) and I plan on staying one, movie or no. In my opinion there is only only thing that can kill the movie: prejudgement/irrational scrutiny on the part of the fans/x-purists who haven't seen anything more than a few screen/character shots. While I too am skeptical about the ability of ANYONE (even the director of The Usual Suspects) to bring the X-men to the big screen, I refuse to pass any judgement on it.... ok besides "Halle Berry is a FOXY Storm". I read these talkback posts and most all I see is "It's going to suck" and "It's gonna bomb" and "It's gonna stink worse than Noah's Ark 39th day at sea", well I say go to the see the movie this summer and if you don't like it just READ THE DAMN COMIC!! While I believe nothing could touch the comic (even the cartoon which was excellent for the most part), can most movies/T.V shows ever compete with the literature/writings that spawned them?? The fact is if you believe the movie is going to suck with all of your heart than it will suck (even if it doesn't). So just go with flow, take a chill pill and to use another overused expresion to end my spur of the moment rant.... damn, I stubbed my toe!

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 12:56 a.m. CST

    I am going to love this movie... I know I am...

    by Contacted

    This movie is so not gonna suck. It cannot suck. Why? Look at the guy directing for christ's sake! BRYAN SINGER! You think he's gonna let this movie suck? If it was Renny Harlin or someone like that, Id be with all of you. But it's Bryan Singer. Hes not gonna let it suck. And also, we got the guy we were pining for the role of professor x ever since thoughts of the movie started! ON EVERY SINGLE FANBOY ROLECALL THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN IT HAS BEEN PATRICK STEWART! And our dreams have been granted. --- The only problem I got with the movie is that Angela Basset didnt get the part of storm-- This is going to be the ultimate geek movie. Let's share Harry's mentality and be thankful for what we already have.

  • Who the hell are you guys? Do you just crawl out of the woodwork because everyone seems to be giving their two cents worth on X-Men? It used to be the same damned people posting the same thing over and over again, now its a whole new flock of people, but amazingly, no one has said anything new. We get these guys like Jovian and SuperUnseen going into cardiac arrest because others are trying to voice their opinions. Hey guys: this is a message board. People are free to express their own damn opinions. You can disagree with them, but you can't tell them to stop complaining. Except for maybe two or three posters, can't you see that NEITHER side is willing to listen to the other? You guys are shouting at brick walls with your hands over your ears!

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 1:05 a.m. CST

    The movie needs to exist as a separate entity from the comic

    by Niiiice

    I think Milkman touched up on this a little bit. On a lot of boards, even Harry's script review of the Spiderman script, there's too much association of the movie with the book. I remember Harry saying things like "Why let Vicki Vale into the Batcave in the first movie?" or "Why does Mary Jane have to find out who Spiderman is in the first movie?" It's because movies have to have an independent storyling of themselves, and in today's "turn off your brain" blockbusters, every little thing has to be resolved. Anyway, no matter how good or awful the movie turns out to be, it won't "ruin" the X-Men for you (personally, its the writers of the comic book the last 4 years that ruined it). The movie doesn't affect anything that happens in the book. The comic X-Men are comic X-Men, the movie X-Men are movie X-Men, simple as that.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 1:14 a.m. CST

    X-Stuff

    by MIZER

    Man I'm not sure what to do about this. I've waited for the Xmen movie all my life. So long in fact I remember the Burt Reynolds as Wolvie rumors. I hope, I pray this will be a good movie. (although no matter what I will go so it and buy it on video tape). Of course I have beefs with it My biggest, My favorite X-men did not make the cut (Colosus--Peters da man). But I'm hoping we will see him in a cameo or the next movie. Everyday the movie looms closer and us old X-fans wonder will we live to see it, will it be good, will we puke our brains out. Everyday I see the X-day coming like the wraith of a Jack Kirby god and I I can say is "PLEASE LET IT BE GOOD" ok I also say "COLOSUS, COLOSUS" but that's a diffrent story.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Re: Niiiice

    by Jovian

    Explain to me, oh mighty veteran of the AICN boards, why it is I am an idiot? Because I curse? Because I get completely frustrated at the same comments over and over? What? What makes me an idiot oh mighty one? Yes it is true I am new to this board, yes I am very crude and harsh in the way I speak, but I do have a message to get across. That message being, I'm tired of the same complaints over and over. If people would take the time to read other peoples comments, they might understand. For example, there is a reason why Storm's wig looks so fake, and that is because it was a PR shot, and they just threw it on her head. It isnt going to look like that in the movie. So why still bitch about?! Thats what I have a problem with, the people who cast judgement on things without taking the time to read other peoples comments. And people like yourself Niiice(or however many i's there is in it), who think just because they post on this site often, they can bash anyone who hasn't. Basically it just drives me nuts that people are getting all worked up over a bunch of crude PR shots, and saying the movie is gonna suck based on them. Its absurd. If we all saw a teaser or a full-blown trailer then that would be a different story altogether, but we havn't. Anyway, just two sense from an idiot.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Thoughts for Dr.Knockboots: Why X-Men isn't animated

    by Niiiice

    There are so many examples that show how animation isn't just for kids, but in America, for some reason its become a social stigma of cartoons to be just for kids, which is bizarre because adults during wartime watched the animated antics of the Looney Tunes as a form of releif. That being said, the reason X-Men won't be animated is because being an action-oriented, non-kids, non-Disney (especially) animation, it could quite possibly tank at the box office. What were the last films that attempted to break the animation stigma? Anyone go see Batman: Mask of the Phantasm? And before that it was G.I. Joe the movie and Transformers the movie, all of which arrived DOA at the box office. Plus, being live-action gives them the chance to put in stars that can draw in the crowds (which maybe doesn't apply in this situation), and big budget special effects have ALWAYS gauraunteed box-office.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 1:56 a.m. CST

    X-MEN MOVIE

    by THE_WOLVERINE

    WHO CARES IF THE COSTUMES DON'T LOOK LIKE THE COMIC BOOK COSTUMES. IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GO SEE THE MOVIE BECAUSE OF THE COSTUMES THEN YOU ARE NOT A TRUE FAN ANYWAYS. THE STORY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE COSTUMES. HELL, WE SHOULD ALL BE HAPPY THAT THEY ARE EVEN PUTTING THIS MOVIE TOGETHER, SINCE IT HAS BEEN POSTPONED OR PUT OFF COUNTLESS TIMES!!! IF THE COSTUMED DON'T SUIT YOU, I GUESS THE DAMN CHILDRENS TOYS FROM THE X-MEN MOVIE WON'T EITHER. NOR THE SEQUEL TO THE MOVIE. NOR THE TV COMMERCIALS. NOR THE MUSIC SOUNDTRACK. NOR THE COLOR OF THE CREDITS AT THE END OF THE MOVIE. NOR THE TONS OF SPECIAL EFFECTS THAT ARE BEING USED TO MAKE THIS MOVIE LOOK MUCH, MUCH BETTER THAN THOSE PICS THAT ARE ON THE SITE. MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT... DIDN'T BATMAN HAVE A NEW LOOK FOR HIS FIRST MOVIE? YEAH, IT FLOPPED JUST LIKE X-MEN THE MOVIE WILL... WHAT A BUNCH OF NITPICKING LOSERS!!!

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Wanna know where new TalkBackers are comin from?

    by MrKearns

    They're coming from people who think that one TalkBack screen name isn't enough to bitch about how this movie's gonna suck. I've been posting on and off for two years now, so I ain't a newbbie. Hell, I made two new TB screennames just because I wanted to make fun of the dirty X-geek sons of bitches and get my point across. So next time u see 5 negative posts in a row from different TB'ers... remember, they're just one lonely, desperate geek, crammed into 5 different names. Over and Fucking out.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 2:10 a.m. CST

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  • Jan. 26, 2000, 2:12 a.m. CST

    No Angela, no Danzig, no problem . . .

    by New Mutant

    I'd be a liar if I said Halle Berry was my ideal Storm, but I'm just glad there IS a Storm. I think Angela Bassett was tired from making that sci-fi whatever-it-was and didn't want to get burned by another possible-flop of the same genre, but she is Storm to me. High cheekbones, dark creamy skin--and did anyone see her in "Strange Days"? She MADE that movie--she could've MADE this one. But the point is, actually, that it IS being MADE. How long have we waited for it? How long? Thing about it, the X-Men are characters that have been handled by different writers since 196-something. There's no way the movie can be "faithful" to anything because even the COMIC isn't "faithful" to anything. Remember the pathos when Jean Grey died for her frends and the survival of the universe? Many may not because, voila--new writers came on board, they wanted her back, and she was back. Pathos, what pathos--sell those comics boys! One writer gets on board and Kitty Pride is the sunshine of Logan's eye and her chief learn-how-to-kick-ass-student. Another writer got on board and suddenly Jubilee was Logan's practical foster daughter. Another writer ruled supreme and the X-Men all spoke like post-existential Shakespeare actors, and Storm was all things African embodiment. Another writer got on board and Storm was a punk rock nihilist cut-Calisto's-heart-out kind of gal. One artist does the book, and Cyclops is a slender misfit whom Jean loves because of who he is. Another artist gets on and Cyclops is edging Goldberg out of the freakbody contest. One artist renders ink to pen and Jean is a modestly built, sweet-eyed woman, another artist comes along and Phoenix' chest rivals the planets she once ate. Sure, I'm going to tell myself that they threw the wig on Halle and said, "Publicity shot hon! Give us Storm real quick!" Sure I'm going to convince myself that those costume-filling people are, in fact, acting professionals who are lending more to the film than their passing resemblence to a two-dimensional character in one out of eighty-three different renderings of a fictional character. And yes, if it sucks, I will be disappointed. Don't you think that I won't! But I mean, harness the energy wasted in these rants and you'd have enough special effects for a dozen sequels. If you want to know if I've earned the right to call for some sober thinking about this movie, then let me ask you-were you there were Ororo had her hand cut to the bone by a harassing pack of stereotypes in Harlem? Were you there when Maddie Pryor was only a shy redhead pilot with a Sally Field hairdo, named after a Celtic folk band lead singer? Were you there when Logan fought a flame-breathing dragon to protect a missing little oriental toddler who I personally believe grew up to be Jubilee? And what color was Jean's dress when she ditched the shuttle? What kind of jewelry was she wearing? Don't you tell me I haven't been waiting for this movie, jack, cuz I sure the hell have. But Singer's version is different than Claremont's version is different from Byrne's version is different from Lobdell's version is different from Adam's version is different from Thomas' version is different from Kirby's version. Well, duh. The point, I think, is--this is a movie set in a world were there are real, three dimensional people. Therefore, we have to have X-Men who look like they are a part of that world. Superman's image is one of detached, too-good-to-be-true alien boyscout. The world is always ready to see Christopher Reeves or whoever in red and blue. But the X-Men are supposed to be outlaws, shunned, hated, feared. If you're going to reflect that in a three-dimension, actor-portrayed movie, then you can't have shiny green tights riding up the crack of Rogue's butt, and expect her to be thought of as a possible threat. Well, I like this place, and I don't know where ELSE to get these pictures, so Harry, you are the MAN. I'll be back. :]

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 2:15 a.m. CST

    wussy wolverine

    by katgyrl.com

    i could be one of those people with 1000 complaints about how the xmen movie seems to be shaping up but instead all i've wanted is for one character to look right & be cast right. do i get this...? apparently not because wolverine is being played by someone who looks like a dainty string-bean ballet dancer. wtf is up with this...? i'll let a lot of things go by... crappy costumes, storm being portrayed by a tiny girl who couldn't blow out a candle much less whip up a tornado, rogue being played by a pre-teen... fine i can handle all that & be happy. but for god's sake a 6 foot, skinny, less than masculine wolverine...? pfft.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 3:07 a.m. CST

    niiiice was the guy in high school who attacked your style of sh

    by Malchizedik

    Awwwww, well lets give him some space. Ive endured your generic posts for quite a while here, and while they have always been boring and needy, not always were you so elitist and spiteful. So what gives? Has draping your limp ego over the nearest accepting hole not been as practical or rewarding as you thought? Well, i think i speak for all of Talk Back as well as Jesus Christ, when I say "We have no need for your troubles. Your absence went unnoticed." Thanks again.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Re: Jovian

    by Niiiice

    Crude language has always been a part of talkback, but if your message was being sick of hearing the same things over and over again, then we're pretty much in agreement. I agree that people aren't voicing any new, valid complaints, which was the point of my frustrated post. The problem I had with your post was that I took it to mean you were trying to stop people from voicing their complaints, which I took offense to because Talkback is a place for venting fears, and especially feedback to whatever the particular story was. If I misinterpreted your posts, then I give you my apologies.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Didn't you guys learn anything from Episode 1?

    by azlamorlandu

    I keep hearing you guys argue over a movie. Imagine this, 2 years ago everyone was spouting off about how Episode 1 was going to turn out. I checked the sites everyday to see if there was anything new on the film, and when the film actually came out, it was significantly different than I expected the movie to actually be. The moral of this story is...BE GLAD THEY'VE ACTUALLY MADE AN X-MEN MOVIE AND IT'S GOING TO BE HERE SOONER THAN WE THINK. Be glad that the movie industry is actually turning some good ideas into movies now. I would have to say that with the new Star Wars trilogy , the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Dungeons and Dragons, the Matrix sequels and of course X-Men, there's now a place in the movie industry for people like us who are imaginative, and tired of the same ol'. I'm not even too much of an X-Men fan but I have read the comics enough to know that it's the next thing big on my list to see in the theatres.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Malchizedik's Greatest Hits

    by Niiiice

    Wow. The person who calls me "elitist" is arrogant enough to presume to know what all the other talkbackers know, and even Jesus. I didn't really understand how your post related to anything, but that's okay. I think you're harboring some bitterness over the fact that I berated you over one of your posts that went something like: "Hey, did anyone catch that mass sex orgy post on New Year's Eve?" (No, I'm not making it up, he actually posted something like this.....sad, I know....and especially on the eve of the "millenium"!) As for calling my posts "boring"...well, from someone who's never sparked a discussion, gotten assenting emails or dared to say anything new, that statement was surprisingly ineffective.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Anyone remember Street Fighter?

    by ChunLi

    Does anyone remember Street Fighter the Movie and how that turned out? Nevermind how crappy Van Damme was, Raul Julia is a great actor yet the movie, dialogue, plot and directing looked like some sort of High School project...

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Anyone remember Street Fighter?

    by ChunLi

    Anyone else wonder or even think about the possibility of X-Men turning out like Street Fighter?

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 4:55 a.m. CST

    X Men, why it will fail and why it should have been cool!

    by garethmckittrick

    Dear oh dear. What a predicament they must be having at the production offices for X Men. All this negative opinion, and why are they getting this negative opinion? Could it be something to do with their total disregard for what people expect from a superhero movie? I just dont understand how they can want to give X Men a more real world feel. Its a comic book for crying out loud! Its not supposed to be real world. The real world does not apply! Those costumes have got to be the single worst thing that I have ever seen in all my born days. What kid is going to want action figures of those drab characters? Wolverine hasnt even got his mask! They could have at least made the costumes resemble the comics, even if they did want to make them all black. Personally I think that Stan the man has been hitting the old bong a bit too much recently, its painfully obvious that the most involvement he has had with this project is to wave his hand in the air and tell them to put out any old crap they can.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Fear leads to anger... anger leads to hate.. hate leads to suffe

    by Darth_Ebert

    I sure X-men will be a success. They throw a Blair Witch advertising campain at it and people will see it. It will have all the Eye candy and a lot of good looking characters. It's got a brand name. I've even tried to find some logic in the whole change, that Multicolored Costumes would have cost more to shoot on a blue/green screen than black. I've just finished watching the Matix and Ussual Suspects again. It may even be a GOOD movie. All by itself it could be a good story well executed. But I'm sorry, this will NEVER be an X-Men movie in more than the name. Not to me, not the people who grew up reading the book. Prof. Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters was mor than a slug line and movie set to me. It was place I grew up. I was there when some Demon chased Kitty from one end of the mansion to the other destroying everything in it's path, and when Kurt (Nightcrawler), Login and Peter (Colosus) rebuilt from the damage. I was there when Storm became a Vampire. I was there when the X-Men went to the Stars to fight the Brood. I have a history with the X-men. That's what's missing here for me and everyone who complains about this movie. In trying to make it "More Real" they forgot that to all of us who made this a "property" to be exploited, it already was. I'm sorry if you guys don't understand that. I guess... you had to be there.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 7:55 a.m. CST

    The script is where it counts kids!

    by garethmckittrick

    Hey, so the costumes are incredibly dull, so what? Magneto should really have been played by Malcolm McDowell because he has the necessary presence that McKellen sorely lacks. So Singer is a poof. Who cares? AS long as the script rocks and is close to the actual comics then we need not worry. However, seeing the evil mutants, I nearly cried. They are unbelievably bad. But when you put all these images together they improve for some reason. The X-men isnt something that you can judge on individual characters, its a team movie! The only other small niggle is wolvies costume. I am hoping that they start out with generic outfits and then get their own individual suits towards the end. Otherwise the action figures are gonna suck bad! Snoogins! http://come.to/the.pit

  • First of all, Mr. Knowles, thank you for the great work you've done lately (and I'm not just talking about the X-Men scoop) -- you're proving to the world that you've still "got it," and no matter how many imitators pop up in Cyberspace, you're still one of the top bananas. And I admire your enthusiasm and your honesty -- you still "tell it like it is," sharing your honest opinion instead of just spewing the "Hollywood line" like a sellout. Keep up the terrific work. Now, I'd just like to make a quick comment about the Naysayers of Doom. I've said this before here on AICN and in other places -- I love it when people discuss what they love and what they hate in the wonderful world of entertainment...different opinions rock. Different tastes are what make this world so groovy -- can you imagine how BORING this life would be if everybody agreed on everything and we had no diversity? But I'm troubled by people who trash a movie or a book or a TV series or a band WITHOUT FIRST SEEING THE FINISHED PRODUCT. You can't judge a film by a couple of publicity images. I've been a movie buff my whole life, and I go to every film hoping to be entertained. By all means, if you see a film and it truly disappoints you, then you've earned the right to trash it all you want. But if you HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, then saying things like "This movie will suck" (and other more creative phrases) only makes me think that you want to be perceived as some type of Nostradamus, wanting us all to praise your doom-saying prophesies. If you think a film will be a waste of money, move on to another project that you're more excited about -- why waste your breath trying to ruin it for the others who are still excited about it and hoping for a great film? Anyway, Harry, I applaud your "glass is half full" outlook on things. I only wish more people were like that. -- Nick

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Storm was not born in Africa

    by Karnak

    The title wasn't enough for you? Ok once again, Storm was not born in Africa. She was an American kid who's parents were killed in a plane crash. They weren't in the plane but a plane crashed and collapsed the building they were in, killing her mother and father in the rubble, and trapping her inside it. That is why in the comics she is so claustrophobic, which I might add is one of those nice touches that bring Marvel characters more down to earth but yet still keep them so heroic. To me Iman or Angela Basset should have gotten the role. The both carry they mystical mixture of poise, beauty, confidence, and strength that *is* Storm, something that Halle will be hard-pressed to carry across. Owell, there are so "many" well developed black female characters in the movies/comics I guess I can wait for the next go around eh?

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Stonemonkey... these are the cameos

    by Batguy

    On the X-Men page at www.corona.bc.ca/films they list 4 actors who could potentially be young X-Men living in the mansion. Actually, they have an actual call sheet from the set that lists characters named Kitty, Bobby, and Jubilee scheduled for that day's shooting, and one named John. Who knows who that last one is, but the call sheet describes the scene being filmed, and it looks like Kitty will interact a bit with the other X-Men. By the way, you assholes that have nothing better to do than tear Harry apart are the lowest people I can imagine. Get a life.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Sharpe you Shit for Brains

    by mechanimal

    Who am I to get involved in "your" conversation? This is talkback, you dickhead. The nature of it here IS to butt in and throw the topic in a million different directions; it hapens on EVERY t-back. Are you new here or something? So damn defensive too, and eager to attack...just like your hero Puffy, I guess. If you want a private conversation, then use e-mail asswipe, cuz this ain't the place.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Toad?

    by frog

    Why did someone say "toad?" I know I saw the word "toad" on here. Is that an x-man/woman? Im not too big on the X-people. But this movie will probably suck. Cheers.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 11:37 a.m. CST

    costumes

    by 5of6t

    I the costumes are any indication of how this movie will be then i thkn we are all in for a great disappointment! not only do most of the characters change the idea of appearenc but the thought of of there grandure. cyclopes and exavior(sp) along with mystic are the only characters of wirth!! as a huge fan of the Xmen i feel a great let down. as well as another bat man flop coming.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Thanks Nick (And Harry rocks)

    by Ally_Kat

    Thanks for your comments, Nick. You and I share similar views regarding movies. I heard similar sentiments from some fans about The Phantom Menance, and I always wondered how one can make an informed opinion on a movie that doesn't even have a trailer out. In an effects heavy movie like the X-men, the most difficult work is post productions when all the FX are digitally added. The X-men movie has not entered the pre-production stage. Filming hasn't even wrapped. A lot of fans are getting their panties in a twist based on a few photos that, I believe, weren't suppose to be for public consumption in the first place. So instead of jumping to conclusions (the landing can be painful or embarassing) it's better to kick back and wait. And Harry... YOU ROCK. Thanks for the scoops. I'm checking in every day for more than just the X-men movie. -Allie

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 2:47 p.m. CST

    I dunno

    by BrT

    Looking at these pictures for the first time, I have to honestly say that they are jarring. I can understand how many fans are upset. When you're used to something, you don't want to see it messed with. We're used to a short, buff Logan, and Hugh Jackman is not. We're used to a muscular, young Magneto, and Sir Ian McKellen is not. Those were my thoughts when I first saw them. But, I have to admit, they've grown on me. But no matter what your opinion on the costumes, we have to go by the old adage, "Don't judge a book by its cover." What will I judge this movie on then? Well, nothing until I actually see it. But I must say that, even if the costumes are lacking (which is debatable, as we all know), the real guts of any movie are the acting, script, and direction. Singer is a good director, and there are some seriously good actors in this flick. I haven't read the script, but these reasons are enough to make me shell out the seven bucks to see it. And I suspect that I'll be seeing all of you there, no matter whether you hate the costumes or not. So let's just wait and see, shall we?

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Thanks SSZero

    by Niiiice

    Thanks for the support. As for you, it pains me to realize that your sometimes self-sacrificing Kaufman-esque humor can be so blatantly misunderstood by people on these boards, which I suppose happens when people judge from one post rather than a collective body of works. I appreciate them for what they are.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 3:20 p.m. CST

    LOL@Harry Is Stupid!!!!

    by Critic

    Pretty funny yo!!! As for a role for Harry how about the part of Fred Dukes aka The Blob!!

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Solution to the costume problem

    by Tracker

    I have a simple plan for the colorful costumes that everyone seems to be obsessed with. I would have put each of the X-men in training outfits of their own selection. Something similar to that of the outfits worn in Schwarzenegger's "Running Man" movie, only Cyclops' would be blue, Rogue's would be green, Storm's would be silver, Wolverine's would be brown/orange or yellow/blue (your choice), etc. Then, a final battle sequence could be fought while they were still in their training outfits. Later, they could decide to modify their outfits to their own tastes (gloves, boots, masks, etc.) What do you think?

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 3:49 p.m. CST

    How do you all know...

    by Kikstad

    I think I read somewhere (maybe Cinescape's X-Men article), that the characters will wear MORE THAN ONE costume during the course of the story, so how do any of us know that the original uniforms won't be in the film at all? We should all stop jumping to conclusions UNTIL WE SEE THE FILM. And as for those yellow costumes -- they may look good in comicbooks but on actual living human beings, they'll look pretty silly. In my humble opinion of course. I mean, Big Bird and Pokemon's Pikachu may look groovy in yellow, but a SUPERHERO? I don't think so. -- Nick P.S. SMILE, PEOPLE.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Why is everybody....

    by Dea'mon

    Why is everybody BITCHING on this movie? And why is everybody comparing this move 2 'The Matrix'? This is a totally different movie. Okay, they both use leather and stuff, but does ANYBODY know how that works in the movie? NO!! Has ANYBODY seen actual shots of the movie? NO!! Has ANYBODY seen these actors walk, talk and ACT their part? NO!! (I could go ON and ON and ON and ON, but ya'll get the picture) So don't be so negative about this movie until ya have ACTUALLY SEEN it. After that ya can BITCH and MOAN at whatever you like!! Now on to my own thoughts on the movie. I kinda like the costumes. Wanna know why? Well imagine having X-TRAordinairy powers in our world, would YOU go running around in those outfits they wear in the comics? Or would you wear the ones that we've seen in the pics? Personally I would wear the ones I've seen in the movie!! Next, Mystique looks COOL!! And this coming from someone who doesn't even dig women! This is a new twist on one of the most mysterious women in the Marvel Universe. I know that some of you will miss the hair, dress and stuff, but I think that this look will work. Now on 2 the X-people. Can't wait 2 see them in their full glory. I especially like the way James Marsden looks as Cyclops. HE ROCKS!! As 4 the others, it's clear that they're not fully done and in 'battle outfits'. So, let's wait and see. All I can say is that I can't wait 2 see this movie, or even the trailer, but Unfortunatly I'll have 2 wait a little longer then most off ya cuz I live in Europe. NEWay I still have hopes 4 this movie and so should y'all. (stepping of the soap-box now) See ya!!

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Let's look at this realistically . . .

    by TEST_ME_BUB!!!

    Putting my homaphobic attitude aside I have seen Singers' and Mc Kellans' work, if Apt Pupil is any indication of the work in progress/X-men we are all in for a memorable ride. Then there are the recently pirated photos, I simply like them. Yes they are dark and in some cases disapointing, especially the female characters. But take a look at Logan and tell me that particular costume doesn't spark the comic lovers heart and then to see the attitude Hugh Jackman is givin us in a simple photo,the man oozes Wolverine. I'd pay the price of addmission just to see him be the best at what he does, wouldn't you?

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 5:18 p.m. CST

    whiney lil panty waists

    by kestrel45

    I thought, overall, the costumes looked pretty good. Everyone, of course, is free to express their own opinion, good or bad. But just a quick reminder to the naysayers, if you don't like what you have seen so far, don't waste your money on the movie. I for one love the idea of turning comics 2 film (quick plug for Robbo). I also realize what an awesomely difficult task it is. You can do things with pen and ink that you just can't do with celluloid, flesh, and bone. Bearing this in mind, SHOVE OFF! If you don't like the costumes or think the movie is doomed, then go away. No unseen conspiracy is forcing you to watch. Just adjust the aluminum foil on your head that you use to block their evil transmissions and move on. I'm sure you'll get to do your gleeful little "I told you so" dance whether the movie is great or a stinkeroo. I applaud every shot some studio takes at trying to make comics 2 film (heh, got it in here twice). Even as bad as the FF movie was, I nearly burst into tears laughing at the memory of Mr. Fantastic stretching his leg across a doorway to trip up the baddies. Did the movie stink, of course, but it was fun to watch. Some of us, ahem, older fanboys remember watching entire episodes of ZOOM on PBS just to see the 2 to 3 minute episode of live-action Spiderman. So quite whining for live-action comic based movies and then dissing them when they come out. True fanboys can enjoy the effort whether the movie rocks or reeks. kestrel

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 5:19 p.m. CST

    To Harry is Stupid and Whitewolf

    by vindrow

    Yo, Harry what is this pre-occupation you have with gay people and porn. Maybe if you come out of the closet you might be able to deal with these feelings a little easier. ....... Whitewolf I have to say that you have alevel head on your shoulders everything you said makes sense and I have to agree with you. .... Sir, I salute you.

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Don't remember any complaint when they changed the costumes for

    by StoneMonkey

    Masters of the Universe still turned a profit. It was entertaining and faithful to the original source, while at the same time poking fun at itself and introducing some new bad guys. The costumes, albeit new, were variations on their cartoon/toy counterpart. The costumes were awesome. New with some old. I liked it very much. Had some misgivings with the BeastMan design and Gwildor, but it entertained. Something the X-men film is striving to do. The costumes, variations on their comic book/cartoon incarnations, are great for the budget they had on this yet-unreleased film. This isn't BatMan with the faggy-looking rubber, muscled, nippled Bat-suits. This isn't SuperMan with the hiphugging-spandex-you can see what religion I am suit. This is the friggin' X-Men. Singer and company have done a remarkable job with what they were given budgetwise. They are trying to humanize, make real, the X-Men. Batman had zero personality in the first 2 film outings. The Villians stole the show. Superman got too whimpy and hung up on Lois and didn't have enough action. Too much humor, no characterization, not enough action. This is what Brian, Richard, Lauren are all trying to avoid. Judge not lest ye be judged! Ever hear that before? This film won't be released till the summer and alot of people have already black-balled it as unfaithful, unoriginal, unwelcome, and more. These same people will be slapping down 7-8 bucks this summer to watch their comic book heroes come to celluloid life before their eyes. He-man rocked, so should this film. Grow the hell up people. StoneMonkey out...

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Um . . . . . actually . . . . I would'nt mind seeing Rougue in a

    by Bear Hunter

    Though I've been lurking for a good year, I think I've might've posted twice (this being my third). I guess because I've been reading X-Men since 1975 so this movie is a long time coming. Hell . . . I practically came when the animated series came out (which was pretty good IMHO). New Mutant made a lot good points and to be totally honest, even if the reviews come out that this movies reeks worse than the Blobs ass, I would STILL see it. Why? For the the love of X-Men. Yup. Call me geek, fan-boy, what have you, but I'll always be a fan and I'll be first in line to see this flick . . . sucky or not. On another note, at least in the last year post here have always been crude, lude and hell . . . . real. It's nice not getting bad for saying the word ASS, SHIT or CRANAPPLES. This is one of the few true mediums for self expression without the fear of repression so on that note THE MOVIE IS GONNA ROCK EVEN THOUGH THE COSTUMES (so far) SUCK A BIT. (And God, please let that wig of Storms be just a temporary prop, the sight of it made my kidneys hurt). And Agent, I enjoyed your post. Harry, your not that fat, so the others bitchin' about are just jealous of that lushes figure of yours, so the hell with. Till Buffy plays Wolvie in the sequel . . . make mine X-MEN. GRRR!

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 6:47 p.m. CST

    a little reason in a insane world

    by carlyuma007

    Excuse me but I would like to say one or two things. First, if pictures are worth a thousand words, the a finished film is worth about ten million. I have read comic books for about 15 years now and I can tell you one thing. Comic books are great but they don't make very good movies. So in that respect I am encouraged that they are going for a realistic look. Second, the movie will tell the tale more that all your negative postings ever could. Bottom line, for those of you that like or love comics. You should have optimistic view points. Because one day somebody is going to get it right and mr. singer could be the one. All this negative stuff just reinforces the idea that comic book movies are just to difficult to sell because you can't make die hard fans happy. Thank you....

  • Jan. 26, 2000, 7:14 p.m. CST

    What's with the costumes?

    by KTRaffa84

    Maybe it's just me. I think the costumes are pretty bad. Is there something wrong with the original X-Men costumes? Cyclops in the blue and Wolverine in the 2nd suit of yellow and blue. By the way, where's Gambit, Beast, Rogue, and others like Psylocke and Morph? I don't understand. The costumes shown are pretty bad. They should remake the costumes shown in the comics and on the action figures. Did anyone on the X-Men staff even read one X-Men comic book? I guess not. Well, that's my two bits.

  • Comics, by nature, are fantasy. Fantasy is essential to comic books, and that's what keeps them so popular, as a form of escapism. So, here's where we run into the problem in adapting comics to film. Films are supposed to be realistic. But in this film, the very basis for the entire production is FANTASY. So why are people whining about wanting them to be realistic? How, exactly, are these black form fitting leather suits "realistic"? Do they look like the uniforms that REAL superheroes use? Of course not. These costumes aren't any more "realistic" than the comic book versions.

  • Jan. 27, 2000, 12:09 a.m. CST

    OH MY GOD!!! I Got the REAL Scoop on why Harry Sold out!!!

    by Darth_Ebert

    I've found out why Harry has been so nice to the X-men movie and Brian Singer and the answer is even more diturbing! We all saw Harry's big screen debuet in the Faculty! Now he'll be working with Famke Jansen again! Harry has been signed to play Fred Dukes!! AKA THE BLOB!!!! That's right he's going to shave his beard and get a buz cut to portray the portliest of the X villians. Rumor has it that he will actually be shot on a a green screen with children in green outfits then composited into the actualy on set footage to make him appear even larger, if that's possible! Harry!!!! Say it ain't so! B)

  • Jan. 27, 2000, 5:16 a.m. CST

    I suppose this thread is wrapped up, but...

    by Dave_F

    ...I wanted to make one more quick argument for the logic of comic booky costumes. Many folks have tried to discredit bright costumes noting that the X-Men are outlaws and not superheroes, and that dark clothing is better for hiding out and such. No way, the X-Men are superheroes of the first order - they've just gotten a bad rap in the public eye. They fight world-dominating villains, blow up evil robots, travels to other planets and dimensions - that's superhero stuff! They ain't full-on guerilla fighters you know. And in my opinion, they wear the bright costumes precisely because the costumes help to refute the outlaw perception. If they dress in black, they *do* look like villains that operate in the shadows. By dressing in brighter colors, they're sending a message to the public that mutants AREN'T all villains. Mutants can even be HEROES. It's a psychological reason, not a practical one, but it makes sense to me dang it!

  • Jan. 27, 2000, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Cormorant, you may have a point.

    by New Mutant

    I see how brighter colors would help the X-Men's image in the public's eyes. And since we're told there may be different costumes during the course of the film, then I'd like to see that come to pass. I also liked the idea of the "Running Man"-like training suits. They could easily do that inside the mansion, like we could see Jean in a green and yellow unitard and Scott in a blue and yellow, both coming out of a "danger room" workout with towels, mopping their foreheads for just a quick scene. It'd be a little titillating, I know, but I'm talking scene value too. Suchlike. And for in-movie publicity shot use, they could actually have the exact costumes from the comics. Like for instance (and this is a spoiler) when there's a testamony given to congress, they could be wearing the colors to gender good-feeling, high-profile, appeal-to-the-kids-and-teenagers-watching-at-home kind of stuff. But for going into Magneto's lair, where all those shadows are? (As pictured, thanks again Harry-the-man) Wolvie's bright yellow abs would get dissected faster than a frog in a junior-high science lab. And as for taking a punch, I think Storm's skintight togs would leave her hurting. Sabertooth's claws, as I recall, are nearly as sharp as Wolverine's. You're going into battle, you dress to survive, not to impress. But yeah, there's room for some kind of coloration action too. Oh, hey, I've a novel idea--let's wait until we see the movie to judge! If we're smart enough to formulate these ideas--maybe Singer and whoever else is smart enough too? After all, we only have our affections on the line here--Brian Singer has his whole livelihood at stake. If he screws this up, how soon is a studio going to hand him another "Usual (Unusual?) Suspects"? This'll be the third of a declining trend for him if it fails. And Famke needs a break finally too, no? They surely must all want this to succeed, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt (whatever the hell THAT means.)

  • Jan. 27, 2000, 11:56 a.m. CST

    disturbing tendencies

    by fallenangel

    Costumes.. yeah, cool, whatever, too late to make any difference now. However, the thing that does worry me is the severely bigoted attitudes of *some* people on the message boards. What is wrong with being gay? Why are you discriminating? Does it make a difference? Personally, I find the use of the word 'faggy' as insulting as 'nigger'. Would you say the film will be shit cos Halle Berry's a nigger? Don't think you would, would you? it's the same fucking thing. This sort of redneck attitude is part of the reason why I don't post very often - how the hell am I supposed to carry on an intelligent conversation with people who refuse to think for themselves and happily follow the bigoted rightwing exclusionist ideology? In fact, i'm probably gonna get shot down and called a faggot, butt cowboy or some other equally derogatory term, which will totally nullify the the point i was trying to make. Fuck it. You won't hear from me again.

  • Jan. 27, 2000, 12:22 p.m. CST

    alienpredator the only comic fan around?!

    by rick askew

    Okay, I've just about had it. I've been spending this grey Thursday afternoon reading posts from whiny little bitties who are not real comic fans, yet somehow think they are entitled to an opinion. The way I see it, the only one who's got his shit together is alienpredator who a few days back actually mentioned those things important in the x-men comic, the things you should be reeeeally worried about. And I know that there is a certain category of people (with larger numbers that I expected) who must complain about things, and with the script nor clips not yet available, I guess costumes are the next best thing. I also have problems with the costumes, hell who in their right mind hasn't, but wait just a few months to see some footage... Then let the SInger bashing begin. And for those of you who post stuff here just to get something published online, shame on you, let the space to someone who has something slightly amusing, interesting or intelligent to say. And for God's sake - read the fucking comic, don't just look at the size of Storm's tits. You're entering real sad fanboy-Lara-Croft-anatomy-obsessed territory here... To sum it up... Wait for it. It might be good.

  • Jan. 27, 2000, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Things that made me go HMMM

    by New Mutant

    Well, cool. You threw down a very highly-charged gauntlet. You equated "faggot" with "nigger", which would lead me to believe you equate homosexuality with being black. Most likely, your point is that calling one group by a derogatory name is the same as calling any other group by a derogatory name. Where I agree with you is that the hatefulness people possess in order to use derogatory names is morally indefensible. Where I disagree with you is in your equation of the two groups. Only by being a member of the white population can a person use this analogy. If you were black, and you happened not to agree with homosexuality as a desireable lifestyle, you would not appreciation the equation. Being black is a birth condition based on the genetics of your parents which cannot be changed. Homosexuality, despite all the opinions, has not been proven to be the same condition. Homosexuality is an act, an orientation. You can act sexually with the same gender and you can be oriented to prefer the same gender sexually--and that makes you a homosexual. But you cannot become black by acting black or preferring black partners sexually. So the two are not the same and should not be compared to one another. Unless you have catalogable, scientific, quantifiable proof that homosexuals are born and can never change from that genetic disposition--and please understand, by this criteria, I mean they are genetically UNABLE to have sex with an opposite gender, and comparatively, heterosexuals are genetically unable to even as much as EXPERIMENT sexually with their gender sexually--then please do not equate the two. But if you just want to use the word "nigger" just to get a rise out of someone, then your agenda isn't fairness at all is it? Because if I 1) am Black, 2) disagree with homosexuality as a healthy or desirable lifestyle, and 3) do not hate homosexuals; I still get offended by your use of the word "nigger". Is that fairness? Does that make your point? No it doesn't. Not to me, anyway. Because I meet the criteria of the immediately previous 3 points, and still am offended by your argument. The only way I can accept your use of the word is if you are black yourself. Not because someone white has no right to opine that black equals homosexuality, but because someone white hasn't the right to use an offensive racial word if they don't know how it feels to be affected by it. Which, by the way, goes for all you so-called heterosexuals who use derogatory names for homosexuals. If you don't know how it feels to be called something nasty, THEN STOP USING IT. If you do know how it feels, THEN WHAT IS YOUR STINKING PROBLEM? You actually WANT to cause the pain in other people that you've felt? How awful is THAT? and to connect this to the topic--ISN'T THAT WHAT THE X-MEN IS ALL ABOUT?? In fact, I remember Kitty Pryde making the same kind of speech when she overheard a black friend of hers use the word "mutie". It hurt her because she was a mutant, so she lashed out by asking what the difference was between "mutie" and "nigger". The corrolation WAS there, because being a mutant is THE SAME as being black (by my above examples). So everybody who has been ranting against the movie and using derogator names for homosexuals--DO stay home and save your money. Okay? Because YOU WON'T UNDERSTAND THE MOST IMPORTANT THEME OF THE PICTURE ANYWAY, which is TOLERANCE.

  • Jan. 27, 2000, 4:46 p.m. CST

    And above, when I said . . .

    by New Mutant

    . . . "black equals homosexual" I meant "being black is the same equal condition as being homosexual". It may be equal in the eyes of the law, but not in the eyes of science. But morally--NO ONE has a right to hate ANYONE because of WHAT THEY ARE.

  • Jan. 27, 2000, 7:07 p.m. CST

    iF i HEAR ONE MORE WORD...

    by 65

    Okay, that's it, losing it big time. How can anyone possibly say that Keanu could play Gambit! It just doesn't work. He looks wrong, sounds wrong and don't give me he can do an accent, because he can't. He's just eye candy and they come in better varieties. I was kind of hoping for a future Gambit who could act! Something dear Keanu can never be accused of doing. Okay rant over, back to being nice. The costumes looked a little too blah, so I'm seriously hoping for a major technical improvement before we see them on film. Still, looking forward anyway!

  • Jan. 27, 2000, 9:23 p.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE BLOWS GOATS

    by XMEN_MOVIE_BLOWS

    AHHHHHHHHHH.....WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING.THIS MOVIE BLOWS.THEY COMPLETELY SLAUGHTERED THE WHOLE XMEN TEAM.AND CAME OUT WITH SHIT FOR A MOVIE.WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS MOVIE BETTER IS IF IT HAD ONLY XAIVER IN IT HES THE ONLY REMOTLEY GOOD LOOKING CHARACTER IN THE WHOLE DAMN THING.WHERES APOCALYPSE AND EVEN DEADPOOL.WHATS UP WITH THE TOAD IT LOOKS LIKE THE DIRECTOR POOPED OUT A MAN AND TOLD HIM TO HUNCH OVER FOR A PICTURE.THIS IS GOING TO BE THE WORST MOVIE EVER.LOOK AT WOLVERINE HES TINY AND SCRAWNY HE LOOKS LIKE THE GUY FROM ASTONISHING XMEN REMEMBER SABERTOOTHS LITTLE FRIEND ON THE LEASH IS HE GONNA BE IN THIS MOVIE THAT WOULD MAKE IT ALL BETTER.THE COSTUMES ARE WHAT MAKES IT WORSE.WHATS WITH THOSE NEW GENERATION COSTUMES THEY LOOK LIKE CRAP.AND SABERTOOTH LOOKS LIKE SOMTHIN OFF OF STARTREK.MAYBE A KLINGON OR SOMTHING.ALL I GOTTA SAY ABOUT THIS MOVIE IS POOP!!!!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2000, 8:10 p.m. CST

    an apology

    by fallenangel

    New Mutant: I'm sorry. A bad choice of words/terminology on my part. If I caused you offence, I'm sorry. I'm not a bigot, of any sort,(or, at least, I try not to be) and I wrote the previous post when highly charged and totally pissed at the casual prejudice thrown out about Singer, McKellen et al. Even so, yes, I am white, and your post has made me think about a lot of unconscious prejudices that I may well hold. I apologise profusely if I have offended you and I thank you equally profusely for making me think. It was not fair for me to equate two totally different situations and social groups as I did. As I said, i was not thinking as rationally as I usually do before posting. We could probably discuss the intricacies and ambiguities of these ideas until the dawn of the next millennium... but the point i was trying to make was about discrimination on ANY grounds. In the end, all we are are individuals - it doesn't matter what your sexual preference, racial roots, gender, religious inclinations etc. are. The world might well be a better place if we were all judged on our individual personalities and productions - such as this film - rather than any other qualities. An impossible world, maybe, but a better world, nonetheless. And pointless, unthinking bigotry isn't going to achieve anything, as far as I'm concerned. From anyone. Like you say - far more eloquently than I ever could -tolerance (and respect for others) is the key. So, I apologise for any offence I have caused. Tell you what, next time I'm in your neck of the woods, I'll buy you a beer (totally platonically!! :o)) as *some* sort of recompense. And thank you also for restoring my faith in this website... I'll be back.

  • Jan. 28, 2000, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Missing part 2

    by 458th_summersboy

    Yeah, Part II is definitely missing. The URL was http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=5063 but now it's a blank page. Hmmm, did someone goof here, or is it part of a larger conspiracy...

  • Jan. 28, 2000, 11:53 p.m. CST

    D@mn, the hostility! Give it a little more of a chance! It's pro

    by Zone Zero

    No trailer, no poster, no screenings... Either A: This movie will do a REALLY fast turn-around from production to release, or B: They'll probably have to delay it for editing. Something tells me, this is only the start of things. I now DON'T believe that this movie will be released on the July release date, there is just so little time.

  • Jan. 29, 2000, 1:44 p.m. CST

    The Proffesor is in....

    by XAVIER_5000

    All right, this is getting down to new leves of moronic behavior. I see people in here taking obsession to new heights, its just a movie. They are trying something different with the X-men and I'm not so sure thats a bad thing. I'm also attempting to remain un-biast on how good the movie is until I see it, at this point it could go either way. As for the costumes? I dont see how they are Matrix rip offs, leather yes, but I have yet to see cyclops in a trench coat with a bunch of automatic weapons strapped to him. For those of you who say that they should look more like the comic, try to imagine this in a real world situation, your wolverine, your throwing down witha huge sentinel, being watched by thousands of people, would you rather be seen wearing a sleek black leather outfit, or wearing bright yellow tights with tiger stripes all over your body? Oh and the blue underwear on the outside, the bright red belt, the blue boots....need I go on? True, some of the costumes arent as good as they could be, but I dont care, all a good movie needs is story, and good depth. If the actors can portray the x-men right then the movie will not be bad at all. Thats my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

  • Jan. 29, 2000, 2:33 p.m. CST

    just a couple of things

    by windstorm

    1.) People don't need to get so worked up about *anything* in the movie. The total process is out of everyones here hands. 2.) They don't even wear the costumes till the last few minutes of the movie. 3.) A small observation : On the cartridge for the *old* x-men game for sega genesis, cyclops' visor has the "headphone" over the ear thing, so maybe the designers got the movie visors look from a similar picture. Just my worthless 2 cents. I know it's gonna happen so flame away.

  • The X-Men is one of the hottest thing in comics these days and your movie is just a bastardization of the real thing. The X-Men look a million times better in comic books past and present,than what you came up with Singer.I hope Marvel will terminate their association with Fox,it's been a none stop catastrophy.The Avengers animated TV series without the legendary Captain America,Thor,Iron Man;that awful Spider-Man short lived TV animation and now X-Men all in Black;this is not a Men in Black movie you s--theads,it's the X-Men.You don't like the crap fans are giving you;consider yourself lucky just to still be alive.

  • Jan. 29, 2000, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Something to add...

    by XAVIER_5000

    I just wanted to say, GO WHITEWOLF! Exactly the point I was about to make about the costume and the adolecent rambling. I also just wanted to say something about Keanu Reeves as Gambit, NO! Its just wrong...

  • Jan. 29, 2000, 11:18 p.m. CST

    god damn! i screwed up!

    by jekyll

    i just spent almost an hour writing an in-depth talkback, and it went onto the 'scoop' message board by mistake. if anyone cares enough, or is benevolent enough to read it, then please do. i'm the jackass on the very bottom with an fricking essay postmarked a week after the one above me. if any of the site masters would be kind enough to move me onto a more current message board so my effort is not completely wasted, i'd greatly appreciate it.

  • Jan. 30, 2000, 11:26 a.m. CST

    In the spirit of the X-Men . . .

    by New Mutant

    Thanks for the well-spoken replies. Fallen, you have my respect because I knew you hadn't set out to be offensive, yet still you made a public apology. That goes a long way in showing what kind of character you have. I think I may have overreacted, actually. So I'm sorry too that I pointed a finger at you which you didn't deserve. That's leads me to address White Wolf. WW, it's hard for me to believe that a white person feels the same pain a minority person would feel when called an offensive epithet. My reasoning is that there is less threat to a white person than a minority, and less harm done. It may hurt both people's feelings, but the white person can then tune into any television show, watch any news broadcast, pick up any book, or simply go outside, and get reaffirmation of the fact that they are still liked and valued by general society. A minority person does not always have that option. With the black issue in specific, it was once LAW in America to separate and devalue people because of skin color. That kind of damage takes a LONG time to get over. And when I see the word "nigger" it just throws me back to those fearful days when an entire country could accept racism and legalize it without a blink of an eye. (Well, I guess enough eyes DID blink, because many whites were instrumental in ending that disgraceful condition. In fact, most legislators who voted it out were white--there weren't many, if any, blacks in government at the time!) If I called a white person "honky" or a "cracker", I doubt if the same mental process happens to them as what happens to me when I hear "nigger". That isn't to say that either one of us should call either one anything except our names. But that was the mindset I had when I said what I said above. I do apologize for not giving enough due to a white person's pain when they are called these names, though. I can't know what you feel when you hear them--but I hope you and everyone else has some kind of insight as to how I, and any other "minority," feels about these things. Which I guess leads me to the title of this post--We're all getting a personal education about racism and tolerance from the world of the X-Men, who are written for that very purpose. I can honestly say that I know how Magneto might feel, and the M.L. King/Malcolm X analogy to Xavier/Magneto relationship is very appropriate. The only difference is that mutants would have more theoretical ability to overthrow oppression than human minorities. Magneto simply refuses to "sit at the back of the bus". Xavier might think it's unfortunate to do the same, but he's willing to go to the bus company and speak with the board chairmen. Magneto would rather just twist the bus into a pretzel and tell them where they can stick it, then fly home. Gotta admit, that's a pretty attractive option. Well, actually, I guess Magneto sometimes wants to ram the twisted bus down the CEO's throat, and then make all the company's board PUSH it for the mutants to ride, so I don't guess I advocate that kind of response. But I DO know how that feels. :]

  • Jan. 30, 2000, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Stan Lee is the funniest

    by Vern

    That stan lee talk backer is the funniest one. I nearly choked on my non-alcoholic brew when I read the death threat at the end. I have seen people shot down in cold blood over some stupid shit before but NEVER something this stupid. Some of you x-man fans sure are a bunch of nuts. It is hilarious stuff keep it up.

  • Jan. 31, 2000, 1:13 a.m. CST

    ....If I see that "Stan Lee" wannabe...

    by Zone Zero

    I'm gonna take his fake *** pencils and inks, shine 'em up REEEEAAALLL nice, turn them sumb***hes sideways, and stick 'em up his candy a**! But, enough about my pet peeves, I just want to say it's nice to have you guys not flame me. This is very appreciated. It makes a newbie VERY happy that i'm being accepted into your fold. ^_^ Now, about some of the more recent posts, I couldn't agree more. Let's just see the bloody thing, then we can rake it over the hot coals of criticisim. I won't feel satisfied untill I see how this movie pans out. 'nuff said!

  • Feb. 1, 2000, 4:18 a.m. CST

    HARRY!!! WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW IS WHAT THE HELL IS UP WIT

    by PassioNate

    Come on Harry,if you can get those pictures(wich I know they were gaurding with there lives) I know you can at least give us an exact date when the trailer is coming out. Like everybody in here I have an opinion about what the X-men should look like,who should play them,how there costumes should look,but I wont say anything about the movie till I see the trailer soo....FIND OUT AND GET BACK TO ME DAMNIT!!! :) pease :)

  • Feb. 2, 2000, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Come on guys, look at the good things for instance......

    by The Micker

    OK listen up, I know this movie will not please everyone but at least think of the good things. 1) It's gonna make a lot of money because every single person who reads X-Men will be curious enough to go see it. 2) You can gush and say, 'hey guys, there's an x-men movie and it finally got made!' 3) Famke Jannsen. Anna Paquin. Rebecca Romijn-Stamos. For god's sake, I'd go see the movie just for this!! And although I disagree about spandex costumes, I definitely wouldn't mind seeing one on Famke and Anna seeing as how it would reveal their beautiful bodies (spandex clings to a girls ass or breasts or whatever you prefer). I can tell ya, I'd like to fuck both of them. Meow! And let's not forget Rebecca is naked throughout the whole movie. A hot model. Naked. For an hour and a half. This will make 10 million bucks by itself. Nuff said.

  • Feb. 3, 2000, 10:32 p.m. CST

    You folks might hate that countingdown guy . . .

    by New Mutant

    But if you want a little more encouragement about the movie, or just at least something to feed on while we crawl through the next five months, go to http://countingdown.com/x-men . Harry's scoop pictures have been spiced up and put together in a montage frame for the link menu. If nothing else, it gives the kind of hope Harry was talking about. At best, Singer and company will see it and stay focused on what we want out of the movie. For me, when I saw it, I actually thought, hey, this movie really could be good.

  • Feb. 5, 2000, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Cameos

    by xanomaly

    I've seen scanned images of call sheets, probably at Dark Horizons, and they list all of the actors in the movie along with their character names. You have Xavier, Logan, etc. There were several new names as well. Bobby, Kitty, Jubilee, and John. That means we may see small bit parts for Iceman , Shadowcat, Jubilee, and maybe Thunderbird. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Wanna chat about the movie? Drop me a line, xanomaly@yahoo.com

  • Feb. 10, 2000, 10:15 p.m. CST

    An Observation

    by QuietObserver

    I think Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart will give this film a level of class that it otherwise could never have. Whether that will be enough... remains to be seen. I agree with many other Talkers Back about the obvious visual nuances that appear, well, awkward. Particularly, as Katgyrl put it, the idea of Wolverine as a beanpole. As for the script...again, I'll wait patiently. I just finished reading Chris Golden's X-Men trilogy (books without pictures, kids!) and while I thought parts were not-quite-true to the comics characters (and yes, I've been with the X-Men since the mid 70s... back when the stories were stories, not thinly disguised marketing ploys to get you to buy five titles to get one story) it was refreshing to have a story that got to delve into the psyche of the characters -- even the "supporting" characters. I know that can't happen in a 2 hour movie, not with this many players in the cast. Oh, well. A second observation, perhaps with a tad more bite: it's depressing to disgusting to see the poor quality of spelling on these boards. I've seen "Login" for "Logan," a couple appearances by "Rouge" instead of Rogue... Patrick Stewart's last name changed to "Steward" and more. You know, folks, maybe you should set aside this week's eight-title crossover (which will only reveal that last week's crossover was undone by Apocalypse's lovechild with Agatha Harkness, who is really...????) and spend it on a copy of "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing," or at least an inexpensive (cheaper than two Marvel books!) dictionary. It's never going to get any easier for fanboys to escape the sticky-palmed, thick-lensed nerd stigma if you have convinced society that you're functionally illiterate. They'll blame it all on "those comic books" you read, and then where will we be? Finally, were it up to me, Rutger Hauer would have been cast as Magneto. Props to Sir Ian, but what he has in dramatic persona he lacks in build and menace. He's an excellent psychological villain, but Magnus is dangerous on a physical level as well. That, and I can't picture Sir Ian in chain mail tights. Hmm. Just an observation.