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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

While a fun amusement park ride (literally), I gotta be honest and say I’m not the biggest fan of T2 3-D: Battle Across Time. I mean, it’s cool to see Schwarzenegger, Furlong and Hamilton back as their characters, the ride itself is fun and I dig the way they integrate the onscreen 3-D elements with real live actors in costume running around on the stage and into the audience… but the thing gets really goofy. Schwarzenegger talks about a busted up endoskeleton being his college roommate.

Sure, it’s a Universal Studios ride, not a movie, but it’s still disappointing to me that it got so tongue-in-cheek. But hey, it’s still miles better than Terminator 3 (I know that movie has its defenders, don’t mean to cause a fight, but it really is a pile of dung… with a good ending, granted, but a pile of dung nonetheless)!

T2-3D was Cameron’s first time playing with 3D, which he would later champion in its digital form and the 3D is impressive if you’ve ever seen this show. Maybe it’s nostalgia, but I like film-shot 3D so much more than digital 3D, which is very sharp and less head-achy, but the 3D looked more attached to the overall image for whatever reason to me in these good polarized film-shot 3D flicks from the ‘80s and ‘90s. Friday the the 13th Part 3 and Jaws 3-D look amazing still to this day if you’re lucky enough to see a good 35mm projection of them.

So, here’s Cameron and Arnie (being very Shakespearean) on the set of T2-3D! Enjoy the pic and click to embiggen!



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  • Aug. 14, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Alas, poor Yorick...

    by covenant

    ...I knew him well, Horatio. And then I blew his fucking metallic head off. :)

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST

    not just 3D, but 4D!

    by Zardoz

    The chairs move with onscreen action and the environment changes, too! I love T2:3D!

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    SALVATION does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Quint is knocking T3? Well that's nice for a change. It's usually the underrated Bale epic T:S that gets unduly savaged by the geeks. Decent movie that always gets slated.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I suppose it comes across dated for some, but

    by Arteska

    when this debuted it was an incredible experience for any fan. The wide reveal was a great ratchet-up moment and the tech used for filming and presentation was peerless when new. Cool pic.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Mentioning the year would have been nice

    by MooseMalloy

    You're a reporter, damn it!

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    T3 is definitely the ALIEN RESURRECTION of the Terminator franchise. Arnie speaking only in quips and the female Terminatrix enlarging her boobs through shoddy CGI. The whole things a weak parody. T:S is more like ALIEN 3. Some great design work, fx, and sets. But not quite giving the audience what they wanted or expected. But still some strong work for the true sci-fi fans.

  • Or the stuntman was for the live action part?

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    To be or not to be?......

    by JediRob

    ...Not to be.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    BTW you can see the whole movie in Youtube

    by KilliK

    here is a link:

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Finally saw this 2 years back...Made me miss Arnold...

    by blackmantis

    Say what you want about the man, but there is only one Arnie, and when I saw the T2 ride showcasing Arnold in prime form, it made me realize I really missed his presence on the big screen, especially with all the girly men playing action star these days.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Alas, poor Arnie

    by inztantkarma

    Alas, poor Arnie we knew him well, Governator: a fellow of infinite jest...

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6 p.m. CST

    Not to kick off

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    but I can't see many redeeming features in TS. The little recall to You Could Be Mine was as good as it got for me (that T600 scene was pretty eerie, too) Conception, plot and execution was all bollocks. I'm sure McG thought he was doing the right thing and tried hard, but he's an avid-fart-in-the-vacuousness-of-rapper hiring-MTV land type of director, and this was doomed from the minute they decided on the rating. You can only make good Terminator movies if you're Cameron, cause you've got the power behind you to make the film you want.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    oh and Quint tx for the 2 James Cameron BTS pics.

    by KilliK

    You made my weeked. Although i wouldnt mind a 3rd one on this Tuesday,since Cameron turns 57 that day.heh. I am waiting for the Michael Biehn interview,i hope it will be put online in the site soon.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    ah awesome, there goes my post, off into the AICN void

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    christ that is annoying.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Reminds me of Hamlet...

    by truedog67

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Btw the BTS pic seems to be from the scene in

    by KilliK

    about 6.20m in the video i posted.which also has the roommate line.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Love this ride.

    by Aaron

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST

    @iwasinjuniorhighdickhead use the Lazarus addon

    by KilliK

    it is a life saver. it supports both chrome and firefox and i think opera too. just install and you wouldnt care again if the site ate or not your post.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    all that was good about TS was the eerie T600 wandering about and the You Could Be Mine throwback to T2.<P> Conception, execution was way off. The only one who can make Terminator films is Cameron, cause he has the weight behind him to make the film how he wants it. McG? I'm sure he tried but he's just avid-fart-rapper-hiring-MTV-vacuity right down to his DNA and creatively it was dead in the water from the minute the thirty or so money men huddled together and greenlit the damn thing.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    i fucked up

    by Aaron

    Love this ride. It is definitely showing its years. Been going to it since it opened in Orlando, dont know if they have it at other universals.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Wtf are you talking about? Terminator:Salvation was a detestable piece of shit! Compelte with one of the worst opening scenes in cinema history. Check it out - Worthington and Bonham-Carter doing an excruciating exposition scene. McG is a fucking idiot.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Alien 3

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is like Lawrence of Arabia compared to Terminator: Salvation.

  • Duh. Although i do realize that a lot of us oldtime geeks were way too young to be watching movies like this when we did. My old lady wont even let her eleven year old daughter watch dirty dancing for christ sake.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Ah lahsss, poh yoh-wick...

    by chronicvoid


  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST

    =McG is a fucking idiot.=

    by KilliK

    please,dont insult the idiots.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Salvation is indeed awful

    by Aaron

    I def enjoyed rise of da musheens more. Greatest unintentional comedy ever

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    T3 really ISN'T that bad.

    by Ironhelix

    It really isn't that good either, but it's miles better than Terminator: Salvation. I don't think I have ever walked out of a movie (except Throw Mama From The Train, but my girlfriend offered me sex in the car as opposed to having to sit through the rest of the movie, so I don't really count that as an official walkout), however, T:S all most made me get up and vacate the theater from the sheer ineptness of that film.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Screw you, T3 defenders.

    by Viewer 3

    But it had a good ending!!

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    Your girlfirend "offered" you is that about. You should expect it or take it if it's your gf...that's her responsibility. If it was some chick on a first date, would have been a better story. And T3 is a fairly well done, entertaining film. It only suffers in comparison to T2 which is a masterpiece.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    T3 is worse than bad; it is unnecessary

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    just a complete rehash of the second. Even Salvation would work better without it. Third film should have been Future War, men on a mission, shitloads of endoskeletons and a few Arnies, the capture of the time machine complex and the T800s, T1000 and Reese sent through the machine. Done. Instead we get Mostow and Elton John glasses. Nice coincidence, John going to school with the daughter of the guy who turns Skynet on. <P> I could have done better than this. I don't mean that as a frustrated writer; it's a sign that a film is shit when I could sit down with you and empirically prove that I could deliver a better film.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark...

    by BajoFuego

    And Hamlet is takin' out the trash!

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    T3 come on people??! Claire Danes and whoever that guy who played John Connor was, total charisma vacuums. Non entities on screen. The only thing it had going for it was abit of cheap T&A with the Terminatrix, who was played by a model not an actress. The whole thing was TV movie style. Just a shoddy tired parody. T:S had Christian Bale. Imho probably the greatest actor of his generation (name an alternate?). Plus the likes of Michael Ironside, Sam Worthington, Helena Bonham Carter, Anton Yelchin, and yes the vocal talent of Linda Hamilton (who wouldnt have been seen dead in TV movie T3). T:S had ambition, scale and lots of great sci-fi design work. If you genuinely think T3 is the better movie then you really need to watch both flicks again. Your memory is cloudy my friend.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    T:S directors cut reinstates some violence, blood squibs, nudity and an extra Michael Ironside scene. Plus in blu ray you really get a chance to ogle the incredible sci-fi FX work. Don't hate so hard on it till you've seen that version.

  • Both feel like they were mostly shot out at some ranch in Valencia to save money. By the way, originally in T3, the T-800 was going to accidentally time-warp into the ocean and surface near a Navy SEAL training ship. Ahnuld would then take out all the SEALS (making us think he's a bad Terminator) and load up on gear. None of this "talk to the hand" at a gay leather bar bullshit. But yeah, the ending was great. Probably the best ending of all the Terminator films.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Best Actor of His Generation


    LMFAO What a fucking joke. He isn't even all that good. DiCaprio and Norton are both a hundred times better.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    whoever came up with that title for him


    deserves a huge raise, I hear it a lot, even though it's complete bullshit

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    and I am


    actually a fan of his I am just being honest

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST

    I may be biased cause i'm from the same town as Bale

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    but he's up there in the 'top actors' league. Norton, too, when his heart's in it.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    it's all good


    I hope I didn't come across as a hater I'm not

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    I am watching T2:3D:BAT for the first time


    holy fuck is it bad!

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Bale has only impressed me twice

    by sunwukong86

    In The Fighter and American Psycho. Other than that I dont really care for him. And he wasnt the problem with Salvation, it had a lot more

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    president balter...


    You're at Universal Studios right now? What's that new Harry Potter ride like? I heard it's pretty good.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Bale's best is Harsh Times, without a doubt

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    what a film. a character study right there.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST



    it's fun here!

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I love American Psycho


    it's what made me a Bale fan but i still don't think he's a good actor in it

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    i'm texting from the Jaws ride right now

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Not half as bad as T4

    by psychosomatic

    Okay, T3 wasn't great, but it had some great moments. In my opinion they sold that picture on the strength of the ending, and the ending truly is worth the price of admission. As for T4... what can you even say? Bale is an amazing actor and I have no problems what so ever with his blow up on set (called for in my opinion), but he didn't get enough to do - they should have just focused on him and kept away from Sam Worthington. Sam Worthington casting was... well, in some ways genius and in other ways horrible. I mean, he acts like a robot, so it should have been a perfect match, right? Unfortunately, it wasn't. Incredibly boring actor with no charisma. How he still gets jobs is beyond me.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:40 p.m. CST


    by steverogers5

    The one time I was over in Orlando I did enjoy the T3D experience. (Though the Spiderman and Back to the Future rides were more fun) However in no way shape or form, would I say that the the film element of it was better than the later T3 movie. For two reasons:- 1) Nick Stahl is infinitely more believable as the son of Kyle Reese than Edward Furlong. 2) The TX to me at least also seems a little bit more more believable than the T1000. Because I can buy the liquid metal altering the surface of a terminator to give different appearances. But no way in hell can I suspend belief enough to imagine that it can turn itself into a puddle and still recreate all it's perfectly working components again! That's just heading into Star Trek territory. (Heck I can even believe in time travel, far easier than I can that..) In fact as the years go by, I'm finding that I would much rather watch T3 than T2 again. The action sequences in T2 might be better. Because it's Cameron. And nobody does action as well that guy. But I find the 'I need a vacation' style lines and Linda Hamilton's overacting very grating. And having Arnie save the day, and seemingly prevent his own existance always did rub me the wrong way, when compared to the logic of the first film. Because nothing can tough the original Terminator movie. That film is just perfect. I almost wish they'd never been any sequels at all to mess up the time travel logic of it..

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    gotta agree with the T:S love...

    by sonnyhooper

    ...out of all the Terminator films it's the most re-watchable. the fact that Bale is such a professional throughout the entire film brings it all home, ever time.

  • It went on FOREVER and yielded maximum wreckage! Rest of it was balls tho.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Say......That's a nice bike

    by SmokieGeezer

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:48 p.m. CST

    T3 is indeed terrible

    by Billy_D_Williams

    forget the horrible story, just on a pure filmmaking level it's sloppy seconds...Cameron brought a visceral, gritty realism to the Terminator films that is sorely lacking in the other ones...they're not even in the same universe as Cameron's films.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Sorry, Cobes, but President Baltar is correct.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Dicaprio, Norton, Gossling, Damon, Depp. All better than Bale. Charlie Sheen's a better actor than Christian Bale. I know there's a wide difference in ages in that group. But I consider 'em all the same generationish. Don't know which TERMINATOR movie is the worst, though. I never saw either of the last two. I'm assuming, compared to TERMINATOR 2: PUDDLE OF GOO, it's all just a matter of a hair's width, anyway.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    I worked on T3

    by abe

    I did CG work on T3. Must say it's the most fun I've had on a film so far.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Subtitles Off

    by JimBobCooter

    Ha! That's the laziest trolling I've ever read. You are the T3 of trolling. Any Bale haters need to rewatch "The Fighter." Or watch "Batman Begins" and "The Machinist" back to back. Not saying he's the greatest of a generation or that anyone deserves that title... But I don't know many actors that have transformed themselves so completely, so often.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Just imagine trying to direct that Meathead

    by proevad

    No wonder Cameron is such a known bitch to work for.

  • so in conclusion, Cameron has never made a good movie. Well, unless you're mentally retarded, then he's made many great movies.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    He's "transformed" himself. Great. He can diet.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Watch BATMAN BEGINS and THE MACHINIST back to back? I've seen them both. I'd rather have my balls cut off than see either one of them again.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Dicaprio, Norton, Gossling, Damon, Depp and Bale..

    by sonnyhooper

    ...all walk into a room for a steel -cage-death-match. which one is walking out alive? <p> BALE. <p> and not just because he is a professional. but also, and more importantly, because those other guys are pussies. <p> once you accept Lord Bale as your personal savior, the world starts to make more sense.

  • These films are: Alien 3 T:3 Rise of the Machines Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull I think that the expectations I had for these films upon first viewing plus the chance to compare them with the prior films contributed greatly to my initial disappointment. They may not be the best of their respective series' but they definitely are not bad films. I think all the Terminator films are at least pretty good or better. None of them suck.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 8:31 p.m. CST


    by montessaurus


  • Aug. 14, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    3 Things I like about T3

    by doopey

    1) The Ending (already mentioned above) 2) The fantastic crane-truck chase sequence 3) The fact that it had the balls to completely reverse the "change your fate" message of T2. Nope, you can't change your fate, it will catch up with you no matter what you do. That underlying sense of bleak fatalism makes the moments of tongue-in-cheek humor much more bearable.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Everybody knows Piranha 2 is the only good Cameron movie

    by AlexDK

    Also, the big problem with Salvation is that it didn't feel like a Terminator movie. Shitty as T3 was, at least it didn't suffer from that. Bale half assed terribly through the movie and didn't put a bit of actual character in his Connor, he was a generic tough action hero instead of the humane, flawed leader of mankind. Also, giving Skynet a face is the worst idea in the history of ever.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Quint, why even bring it up?

    by seasider

    If you don't mean to cause a fight? I get that you don't like T3 but calling that stupid outdated ride at Universal Studios a better movie. Really Quint? Really?

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST

    John Connor, Batman, Jesus Christ....

    by sonnyhooper

    .....what do these 3 GREAT, but fictional, men have in common? <p> they have all been portayed by our true lord and savior, Christian Bale. <p> Coincidence? <p> I. <p> think. <p> NOT.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 9:03 p.m. CST

    sonnyhooper, you only spout the most abject blasphemy...

    by AlexDK

    How dare you say Batman is fictional?

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by CreepyThinMan

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST

    In defense of Bale's acting job in SALVATION...

    by YackBacker

    Some shithead kept fucking with the lights during the whole shoot. FUCKING DISTRACTING!!!

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    I like ALL of the Terminator movies

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    And thank GOD T3 retconned that "no fate but what we make" BULLSHIT from T2. If you prevent the future war, the entire franchise DOES NOT WORK from any sort of logical/temporal standpoint.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Bale also played the god that is Bob Dylan

    by Dr Eric Vornoff

    But, Richard Gere aside, he was the least interesting incarnation of him in that film.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 9:29 p.m. CST

    T3's ending was horrid

    by locater16

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    +1 for T3

    by topaz4206

    I liked it! There is a genuine sense of menace when the T-Bitch is stalking and straight-out murdering teenagers. I love the crane sequence. The fight in the bathroom is one of the best T-vs-T fight sequences in the whole series. Nick Stahl is about 1000x better at acting than Ed Furlong. Sure, some beats are recycled, but at least it takes place in the same fucking *universe* as the original films. WTF was Salvation?

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    +1 for the ending of T3

    by AlienFanatic

    I happened to love that it wasn't the happy outcome. Yes, I hated the TX (she was a major comedown from the menace of the T-1000), and Nick Stahl came across as a terribly whiny John Connor, but the ending really made up for a lot of the crap in between. And frankly, I still thought it had more heart than Terminator: Salvation. McG can do action, but there was so much ham in that film (from Michael Ironside, especially, and the ever-gruff Bale) that I just couldn't embrace the film.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Whole lot of awesome in that photo.

    by kevred

    Which two guys from today's Hollywood could take a similar shot that would still be that full of awesome 20 years from now?

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Cameron looks like John Glover in that shot..

    by sonnyhooper

    looks like a photo shoot for Lionel Luthor and the ugly maid fucker....together again. fucking professionals one and all.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    The harry potter ride

    by Aaron

    Is pretty vomit-inducing. In a good way, i mean, its like spider-man but without the glasses. You go flying around through hogwarts and dragons lairs and shit. Its pretty cool but man I havent felt queasy like that since questor back in the day at busch gardens. What's also cool is that there are a lot of practical elements to the ride, not such shit on screens. So more spidey than simpsons. Back to the future has been gone for a little while, also. RIP goddammit. The castle is dope and the whole alley looks cool but there are only a couple of shops you can actually go into. The wand ship, the candy / joke shop and the pub, which is a restaurant, but we didnt go in because it was like a 45 minute wait for grub.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Only thing that killed T3 was the silliness.

    by Playkins

    The fucking strip club BS and the various bits of camp killed it. Even including all that, I thought it was closer in tone to T1 than T2.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    The harry potter ride

    by Aaron

    Is pretty vomit-inducing. In a good way, i mean, its like spider-man but without the glasses. You go flying around through hogwarts and dragons lairs and shit. Its pretty cool but man I havent felt queasy like that since questor back in the day at busch gardens. What's also cool is that there are a lot of practical elements to the ride, not such shit on screens. So more spidey than simpsons. Back to the future has been gone for a little while, also. RIP goddammit. The castle is dope and the whole alley looks cool but there are only a couple of shops you can actually go into. The wand ship, the candy / joke shop and the pub, which is a restaurant, but we didnt go in because it was like a 45 minute wait for grub.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    The harry potter ride

    by Aaron

    Is pretty vomit-inducing. In a good way, i mean, its like spider-man but without the glasses. You go flying around through hogwarts and dragons lairs and shit. Its pretty cool but man I havent felt queasy like that since questor back in the day at busch gardens. What's also cool is that there are a lot of practical elements to the ride, not such shit on screens. So more spidey than simpsons. Back to the future has been gone for a little while, also. RIP goddammit. The castle is dope and the whole alley looks cool but there are only a couple of shops you can actually go into. The wand ship, the candy / joke shop and the pub, which is a restaurant, but we didnt go in because it was like a 45 minute wait for grub.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Professional footprints in the sand...

    by sonnyhooper

    One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with Lord Bale. Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky. <p> In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand. Sometimes there were two sets of footprints, other times there was only one. <p> This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my life, when I was suffering from anguish, sorrow or defeat, I could see only one set of footprints, so I said to Lord Bale: <p> “You promised me Lord Bale, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life there has only been one set of footprints in the sand. Why, when I needed you most, have you not been there for me?” <p> Lord Bale replied, “The years when you have seen only one set of footprints, my child, is when I carried your un-professional ass.”

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 10:49 p.m. CST

    cotton_mcknight - I agree

    by BNITT

    T2 was a really shitty movie. I was so excited to see it when it came out, and then hated every minute of it when I actually saw it. Eddie Furlong was fucking annoying, and they made the Terminator a complete pussy.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Bale's Dylan

    by Levon Swift

    May be the least interesting besides Gere in the film, but both performances are still very true to the aspect of The One True Bob that they are portraying. Yes, Dylan, Jesus, Batman, John Connor - Bale truly is the one hope for mankind's salvation.

  • Aug. 14, 2011, 11:48 p.m. CST

    T3 wasn't great but...

    by allouttabubblegum

    it fixed the gaping plot hole left in T2. If all the terminators future were destroyed at the end of T2...then Kyle reese would of not been sent back in time...impregnating Sarah John connor would not exist! And T2 is is also just as goofy as was more for kids...I loved it when I was 12...not so much now. So yeah...John connor and the terminators link are unavoidable....cant have one without the other.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 12:16 a.m. CST

    There are no plot holes in the Terminator franchise

    by Xen11

    go ahead. Try to make a hole and I'll tear you a new one, asshole.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 12:50 a.m. CST

    levon swift

    by Jesiah

    I never thought of that...seems to be taking over Keanu's spot now that I see all those movies you listed. On a side note I still haven't seen Mary Mother of Jesus where Christian Bale is Jesus Christ, even though I've had it for many years now.

  • That dumb comment "So that's what death tastes like" or whatever Worthington said was just attrocious. And when Bale is telling BDH that if they kill Kyle Reese they kill John Connor, it was kind of jarring to hear him speak in third person. I do like the references to the other films, like Sam teaching Anton Yelchin how to keep the rifle like he does in T1, the GNR song Connor uses to attract the mototerminator's attention that was from T2, and of course Christian Bale reciting the I'll Be Back was cool too. But the ending was pretty weak; with Justin Lin seemingly interested in a T5 I hope Vin Diesel isn't far behind I think he would make a great terminator.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Some corrections

    by TheDarkShape

    T3 is better than Battle Across Time. By any 'real' judgment, T2 3-D was awful. "He was my college roommate!" / "It's a T-1,000,000!" Salvation is the worst of the franchise by virtue of NOTHING HAPPENS IN IT. Seriously. Not a single thing. Who's in a different place at the end than they were at the beginning? How has the overall storyline advanced? Hell, just look at the endings. T1 - Storm clouds. "I know." T2 - The endless highway and unknown future. T3 - Judgment Day. "Who's in charge there?" / "I am." TS - Helicopters fly into the sunset as John Connor recounts a line that has nothing to do with the movie we've just seen. One of these endings is significantly less interesting than the others.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Cotton McKnight...

    by Tikidonkeypunch

    T:2 had an obscure ending that left it open. Was judgement averted or was fate destined to destroy mankind. It was perfect. It could have spawned a sequel or ended as is. The road is dark, but at least there's hope.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 1:48 a.m. CST


    by Mo_Rephus

    I'm no defender of Terminator 3, ordinarily, but seriously...when a franchise gets as "tongue in cheek" (i.e. ridiculous to the point of embarrassment) as T2 in 3D... I mean, as bad as T3 was (ending notwithstanding) at least they tried to stay true to the first two films. Cameron, disappointingly, fell into the theme park ride trap. It's too bad, too...if anyone could have made a respectable theme park attraction based on a film (in other words, not silly, cheesy, etc) it would have been Cameron. I mean, am I the only one who thinks that maybe theme park attractions could be a little less "touristy"? Where's the REAL Jurassic Park (figuratively speaking) or Westworld? Why do we not, in this day and age, have SERIOUS and SERIOUSLY COOL theme parks with rides and attractions that fit that description? Instead, we have silliness & cheese. And Cameron jumped in head first. I waited years to see T2 in 3D and when I finally had my chance, I couldn't even sit through it, it was so head shakingly shameful. It's also deceivingly titled. THAT steaming pile is NOT "T2" in 3D. Perhaps he should have done an entirely new storyline and called it "T3D". The title would have made more sense and the "ride" might not have turned out as shockingly embarrassing.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 2:57 a.m. CST

    =T2 was a really shitty movie.=

    by KilliK

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA snif snif BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That Cameron guy.what a fuckig hack.

  • Fucking yeah.i am saying this for years,Vin Diesel is perfect to do a Terminator.And can call him BOB.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 3:19 a.m. CST

    T3 and Salvation should have been one film

    by gmanca

    If they were going to invalidate the ending of T2, they should have just gone full bore into the future, or at least not dick around in the present for so damn long. They should have done something like having T3 start off with John Connor and girlfriend being rushed by Arnold to the mountain complex with the T-X on his tail, have the Judgment Day sequence of the war heads going off and then flash-forward to a scavenger Marcus Wright who befriends another in Kyle Reese, listen to a guy on the radio who they don't reveal, finding out that he is actually a hybrid and the final meeting of Connor and Wright to defeat Skynet. There would be no stupid subplots like "fake shutdown signals" or creating a romance for a character who's future you already know.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 3:42 a.m. CST

    I liked T-3 and T-S but

    by Extr3m1st

    They are not in the same league as the first 2 movies. I thought the girl who played the T-X did an outstanding job for the most part playing a robot. She isn't just a model and even had her own series on SCI-FI channel for 1 season. Pain Killer Jane. Too much humor from Arnolds Terminator and he is already a bit long in the tooth to be playing a leather clad robot killing machine. And the fight scene in the bathroom also had a bit of humor attached to it and totally made me groan at times. T-S was a decent movie and I would watch it again but I am glad McG will not have a hand in any future Terminator movie. The storyline wasn't all that compelling IMO and they wasted the Arnie computer generated Terminator scene and well it didn't look all that good anyway.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Oh and T-2 was not goofy

    by Extr3m1st

    Just for kids? Are you kidding me? Cameron takes shits with more ability then some of you talkbackers.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 3:57 a.m. CST

    sonnyhooper does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Professional footprints in the sand - i'm framing that post and hanging it in the Dojo's toilet so it can inspire and fill all who read it with joy as they release their bowels in Bale's honor.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 4 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Subs, did I just see a post where you said that Matt Damon is a better actor than Bale? Excuse me while I stab out my eyes for some sights can not be unseen.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 4:05 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    T:S should have been the first part of the proposed future war trilogy. The 2nd could have had Connor training Kyle, and enduring dangers with him but not revealing that he is his son. Skynet develop plasma weaponry as things grow very bleak for the resistance. The 3rd could have had Skynets technology increase further with the time capsule and the resistance / humanity living like rats and all but wiped out. It would climax with Connor and Reese breaking in and Reese going back in time. We all wanted to see fields of skulls and plasma rifles in T:S and we never got that shit!

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 4:24 a.m. CST

    All T:S did was ruin John Connor

    by Kelly Grimes

    It just made him look like some insane egomaniac. All of the sudden him recreating a future is all that matters when the entire movie has the army certain they have a way to destroy the machines. He completely upends a plan which, at the time guaranteed a total victory, in favor of making sure HE is born in a future which might not matter. Sure the military's plan didn't work but that is beside the point. Without that knowledge, in the movie universe, Connor should have the sense of compassion and understanding to sacrifice himself in order to end the war. He changed the future before (T2) so why could he suddenly not now? It just made him seem like a coward and narcissistic, especially scenes where he's screaming maniacally about how he MUST be born. Completely deflated the mystique of this great leader of humanity.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 4:49 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    We are talking about the same Christian Bale here? The guy who won the oscar for best actor this year? A movie site where even Bale is not considered a good actor. Only at aicn...

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 4:58 a.m. CST

    whenever I see that clip of linda hamilton

    by emeraldboy

    talking about the moment when she heard that arnie got the role as terminator, she kind of infers that arnie was more than a bit thick and was perfectly suited to playing the role.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 5:05 a.m. CST

    People complaining about a model playing a Terminator...

    by submarinevoyage

    People complaining about a model playing a Terminator in the midst of a series starring a bodybuilder are amusing.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 5:13 a.m. CST


    by Xen11

    Not that anything I say matters to you or will change your mind, John Connor studied his mother's words and realized that there is a loop of him sending Kyle back to conceive him and he is destined to lead mankind in the struggle against Skynet. He believes in this because everything he's ever been told has come true. Sure he diverted Judgment Day to a later date and they now have a surefire way to destroy Skynet, but there were a lot of human prisoners in there and if you kill them, what the hell is the point and what are you fighting for? Kyle Reese is in there, an important component in the loop as far as John is concerned. Kyle Reese was also #1 on Skynet's list. That tells John that Skynet knows the importance of him. (Either Skynet knows or they know that John is searching for him, so they get him before John does, study him, then use him as bait to kill John and win the war.) John knows they can just take Skynet out right after he rescues Kyle and the prisoners. If its so foolproof, why does it matter if they use it a little while later? Why kill all those prisoners and take that risk that would kill Kyle and kill all hope? And that's all besides the important fact that John loves Kyle, the father he never knew and owes his life to; the guy that his mother loved and always talked about; the one seeming important key to the whole time-travel war that spans infinite branching worlds.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Okay so T2 was not solely for kids...

    by allouttabubblegum

    but it was a watered down,guns n roses promoting,bad "kids at the time" quoting...(seriously I CRINGED at furlongs dialogue and I was twelve at the was like having Bart simpson in a action movie!) In comparison to the first film...yeah kiddy flick...toy commercial...MTV...Nice effects at the dated.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST

    When shit like 30 Minutes or Less gets greenlit...

    by rstoewe

    ... I have serious issues with people criticizing T3.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 7:05 a.m. CST

    What a piece of shit..T3 was a million times better than this

    by alienindisguise

    mainly because it didn't have Furlong stinking up the joint.

  • ...But what we all want is that *atmosphere* from 'Terminator'. The threat of something terrifying lurking just ahead: "There's a storm coming..."

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST



    If Connors reason for delaying the attack was because he just really valued human life and wanted to rescue the people then what was the whole "If we stay the course WE ARE ALL DEAD!!!" speech about? If they bombed Skynet then all the people in there along with Reese would have died and therefore Conner would have ceased to exist but everyone else (as far as they knew) would have been fine. It would have resulted in a different future from the one John connor had been told about but if the attack really did end the war then who cares? I agree with Kgrimes, that whole thing just made Connor look like an egomaniac who was only interested in self preservation.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Connor as played by Bale was an egomaniac who was only interested in self preservation? Look deep into Connors childhood and think about how those events and the influence of his mother would have shaped his character. Connor was raised to believe he was the chosen one. Not to believe on faith either. But to know 100% that it was so. I think you'll find that Bale played him absolutely spot on.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST

    I don't have a problem with how Bale played him...


    I just think the scriptwriters were oblivious to how they were making the character come across. Someone who's raised to believe that they're the chosen one and that humanity is doomed if they aren't around to save the day just comes off as a bit of a narcissist.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins was a step down for Bale because

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    his greatest action flick is, and always will be Equilibrium.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 8:35 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Binks you legend - I hired EQUILIBRIUM because of you. And a damn cool movie it was! Bale's performance as Connor was spot on for the character. But... people want to be entertained too. He didn't have to be making cheap quips when he killed a Terminator, like saying rust in peace or something, but I think T:S would definitely have been improved by substituting that mute black girl for a slightly more comic relief character. As it is T:S is a film without ANY humor. None at all, and I think they needed a few little touches to add some levity.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    College roommate

    by Shia LeButt

    That line sounded just like a witty comment to a stupid question "friend of yours?" But I bet if this was made by George Lucas, he would take that literally, and make a prequel about Arnold and his friends in Terminator College, playing Terminator Football and picking up Terminator Chicks.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST

    The best part of T3

    by jawaburger

    Put down your weapon. And the coffin.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    =but it was a watered down=

    by KilliK

    you mean like when LA is nuked and people turn into skeletons? or when the T1000 stabs a guy in his head through his eye or another guy through his mouth? Or when T880 cuts the skin off his hand in front of Dyson? hell even when Sarah broke the nose of that sick,rapist nurse,there was blood bursting out of it. watered down my ass.

  • the ending was left completely vague and there is no indisputable evidence that the actions of the heroes changed the future.that is left to the judgment of the audience.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Only 2 Terminator Movies

    by DVaderRIP

    Bottom line. Everything is a reimagining. T3 was a pretty lame remake of most of T2 - but it did have its moments (not many of them, but it did have them). TS on the other hand, was shit. What the fuck was that at the end? It had been established that she was a vet in T3, and now she's performing heart transplants? IN THE OPEN AIR??? Anyway. It was vaguely watchable in a friday night after a crate of beer way, nice to see Ironside, and Moonblood whatever her name is was hot - but ultimately it didn't even touch the originals. McG tried his best, but you just don't do sequels to James Cameron films. You'll always look bad.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    T:S = Ripoff of Aliens. FACT!

    by KilliK

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 9:49 a.m. CST


    by MandrakeRoot

    Cmon man... I know your trolling and have a hate boner for Cameron, but to say he's never made a good movie is just asinine, and frankly it pretty much instantly discredits everything you have to say. Anybody who doesn't like - or at least appreciate - movies like T1, T2, Aliens, should just not be on this site. These are seminal, genre-defining science-fiction movies that will never be surpassed. The cream of the crop. These films are the reason many of us love cinema. Even the directors cut of The Abyss is belongs on that elite list, as it remains one of the most fascinating and unique films ever made.  Like I said, you don't have to like them but don't act like what you say is some universal fact when in reality it's the exact opposite. It's even more ironic because from what I see he's one of the few directors to have a perfect track record, with not a single dud in his whole filmography (except for Piranha which doesn't count), they all range from good to masterpiece. And shit man, at the very least you should be able to recognize his work as a pioneer, and enjoy the masterfully crafted action scenes. Does it get any better then Arnie single-handedly cocking his shotgun and blasting at the T1000 at point blank range on his bike? I think not...

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    I Liked The Cheese Factor Of T3 With Hott Chick Terminatrix

    by NeonFrisbee

    I dunno, I thought T3 was fun, and had a better ending than T2 (which is a cool, fun action movie, but also incredibly overrated, imho). The first one is the best of the series. Obviously, it's super dated and the efx look ridiculous now, but it has the strongest story and the most enduring / quotable scenes and moments. TS, on the other hand, was just bad. I remember awhile back where that trailer came out with the NIN song on it and thinking, "hey, wow, maybe this will be cool." Boy, was I wrong. A total misfire.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Eddie Furlong is better as a drug addict than actor.

    by ZodNotGod

    Jake Loyld can rest knowing he's not the worst child actor ever- That belongs to Eddie Furlong who hands down, gives the worst performance from a kid in recent memory. Awful, stilted, contrived whiny, crybaby acting. I offically hate T2 now thanks to AMC and their constant rotation.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    T3 is vastly superior to T2!

    by ZodNotGod

    I dig Cameron most of the time, but i won't lie and say T2 is anything but what it is, overrated heap.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 10:20 a.m. CST

    T3 is much better than Salvation

    by elsachmo

    I'm a big fan of all the Terminator films, and T3 is really good. I might even say it's better than T2 in many ways. I've never been able to figure out why people didn't like it but liked the previous two. Seems like you'd hate them all if you didn't like the third installment. Whatever. People are allowed to judge films for themselves. It is a fact however that T3 is about a million times better than Terminator:Salvation. Now that is a terrible movie for the franchise.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Grammaton Cleric Binks

    by one9deuce

    EQUILIBRIUM is the fucking dumbest action movie ever made. Gunkata (or whatever the fuck it's called) is the single stupidest idea in cinema history. Two reasons why: 1) We are seeing Christian Bale move and dodge with our eyes, moving at a speed we can see. The bullets that are being shot at him cannot be seen. He is obviously not moving faster than the bullets. Duh. 2) If a pistol or especially a machine gun is firing rapidly then the bullets are inches apart. Inches. Apart. Even if Christian Bale's character WAS moving faster than a bullet, he can't fit in between the fucking bullets. Jesus H. Christ.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    And zodnotgod, no, T3 is not better than T2

    by one9deuce

    It's a mediocre director's loose remake of T2. Jonathan Mostow will never in his entire career direct anything even half as good as the pre-credit sequence in T2. Much less a whole film. And everyone praising the ending of T3 just stop. It wasn't brave or ballsy, and it didn't come from a storytelling perspective. It's because the studio suits wanted to make a future war terminator movie. That's the only reason.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    I remember seeing Equilibrium when it first came out


    It thought it was little more than another one of those cheap Matrix knockoffs we seemed to be inundated with back in the early 00's. Seems to always get a lot of love though, perhaps it warrants a second look.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by Billy_D_Williams

    Cameron has never made a good movie

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST

    melgibsoncalledmethenword "Cameron has never made a good movie"

    by Billy_D_Williams

    Terminator, Aliens and The Abyss all disagree with you. Go troll somewhere else.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    wait, T2 is a shitty movie? Since when?

    by Billy_D_Williams

    Fucking trolls. T2 is still one of the greatest action films EVER MADE. Period, with a cherry on top. -The action is incredible. -The "good terminator" is a brilliant twist to juxtapose with the violence, providing commentary on the mindless action films of the 80s. -The acting is superb from all involved. Furlong was a newcomer and held his own. All 12 year olds are annoying, its the entire point...THAT'S THE CHARACTER FUCKTARDS, its a contrast with his future leader-self. -The pacing/editing is excellent. -The cinematography is excellent. -The story is fantastic. -The visual FX are incredible, even today. Answer this trolls: if T2 sucks, what is your standard for action films? Charlie's fucking Angels? The Fast and the Furious? Torque? Jesus.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Salvation had a lot of potential T3 was boring

    by sunwukong86

    T:Salvation could have worked really well. Salvation got the whole dystopian world really well. T:3 just didnt feel like a Terminator movie.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    but it was watered down

    by Billy_D_Williams

    this is why I can't take you trolls seriously... watered down??? -LA is nuked -Sarah Conner has her skin peeled from her flesh in slow motion in the explosion -T1000 impales several people in violent and disgusting ways -People are gunned down violently -Terminator rips the flesh from his arm in full camera view How the bloody fuck is this movie watered down? It's even more violent than the first Terminator.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I liked The Sarah Connor Chronicles more than T3 or TS

    by jawaburger

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    canned dirty ape:


    okay fair enough im sure it is a lot cooler in real life

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    That ride is I think still the best 3D I've seen.

    by moonlightdrive

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST


    by Kelly Grimes

    I never saw any love in that movie. If it was there it didn't come across--neither in script nor acting. Connor was too invested in himself for me to buy him as a hero anymore. I get what you're saying about his teachings but wouldn't he also realize by now that time isn't set? As I recall nothing was happening the way he was told it would (I seem to remember that from Salvation). It just seemed like he wasn't open to anybody else's ideas on how to defeat the machines. One HE could possibly understand b/c HE'S John Connor, damn it. Say what you will about T3 but at least they had an actor who had a little bit of Biehn in him to play Connor. He was quiet and caring, with the potential to get fiery when it was called for. Also, directed to a couple comments I've seen now: how was T2 a toy commercial when Salvation exists? That movie had transformers in it, and matrix squids. There was no trailblazing sci-fi vision from McG. Just a stamp of what was cool and trending in the early 2000 cinemas.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    xen11, btw

    by Kelly Grimes

    Enjoyed your reply. It made me want to rewatch Salvation just to gather more points :)

  • Aug. 15, 2011, noon CST

    Terminator Is Just Another Dead Franchise

    by THX1968

    Along with Aliens,Predators, Spider-Man (well, very soon anyway), and many others. I actually have to give AICN credit for not reporting on Sony's desperate attempt to inject some buzz into Spider-Man after SDCC failed to do so. Announcing a sequel to a movie that hasn't been released yet??? I honestly don't recall a studio ever making an announcement like that. In regards to Spider-Man, no one gives a shit if the studio likes it. Of course the studio likes it!!! Does the public like it? So far, nope, says the majority.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Could Someone Get James Cameron a Sandwich?

    by lobotmf

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Jaws 3D WAS polarized, and looked great

    by Eyegore

    canned_dirty_ape says it was red and blue glasses but that's bullshit. Jaws 3D was one of a slew of polarized 3D movies that came out in the 80's, and probably the best looking film of them all. I'll also chime in with some T3 love. That crane chase scene was great, toilet smashing bathroom fight was EPIC, and the dark ending of the film was awesome.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST

    one9deuce, instead of ranting and raving allow me to explain.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    As pointed out in the movie the clerics cannot dodge bullets. Bottom line is that after analyzing thousands of hours of gunfights they just know the statistical probability of where the bullets are going to be, and avoid that space. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you take a poll I'm sure you would be in the minority.

  • The scene when the T1000 walks through the bars in the asylum? do the exact same scene using only practical effects,i dare you. and to clarify,i am not against practical effects.i support every tool that can help the artist to make an awesome movie. i am only criticizing those single-minded fans who feel the moronic need to choose only one method of creating VFX,and bash the other.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    ragging on T2?

    by Ian Dolby

    When the fuck did it start to become cool to hate classic movies? I mean come off it people, T2 is one of the greatest sequels ever as well as being one of the greatest and ground breaking action films ever made. Seriously whats going on? T3 sucked ass and so did T:salvation.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    T2 is a perfect example of using CGI that works with the plot

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    instead of having the movie be about CGI only, and little to no plot.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Yes, T2 is brilliant in its use of FX to tell the story

    by Billy_D_Williams

    not the other way around...Cameron actually wanted the T-1000 in the original film, but obviously the technology wasn't there. And yes, it seems to be fashionable around here to shit on classic films...T2 is a classic of the genre there is no disputing it, like the fanboys will be saying 2001, Citizen Kane and The Bridge On the River Kwai are terrible films.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    T3 is terrible...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    It's a poor imitation of the brilliant T2 The female Terminator sucks and reeks of studio PC meddling, and she has very little menace or personality that Arnold protrayed so well in the first and second film Too much comedy that doesn't fit The cinematography is too colorful for what's happening on screen Ridiculous plot contrivances etc, etc etc

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Terminator 3d attraction is amazing

    by homer40

    I've been on this attraction around ten times. It never gets old. The themeing is great from the moment you enter. The Thermodyne promotional films are very funny and chilling. One of the first things you get, once inside the theater, is just how fucking loud it is. It is a little goofy I guess, but just amazingly fun. As for the 3D, it is as good as any I've ever seen. I don't know what it is with the new 3D movies, whether it is the fact that it isn't film, or the polarization technique they use, but even though the new films have great depth perception, they just don't pop out of the screen. Terminator 3D just has amazing pop out effects. Little spoiler, but there is one part where the liquid terminator explodes out into the audience in thousands of tiny bubbles, and they are just right there, seemingly inches from your face. I just don't get that with the new movies. I'm going down to Disney in a couple of weeks, and I'm told that Captain Eo is back. That had an amazing 3D effect at the beginning, where a meteorite just hung there in front of your eyes and then got exploded by lasers fired from inside the theater. Can't wait to see that again.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    To be fair, Citizen Kane sucks balls...



  • You can't replicate the experience of Terminator 3D watching a fucking youtube video. It is an experience, on a huge screen (3 screens actually), with giant terminators emerging and firing on you, smoke and lasers, huge explosions in the theater. It isn't a movie, it is an amusement park attraction. Unless you've actually gone and experienced it, your opinion is meaningless. Actually, until the Simpsons ride opened, it was my favorite thing at Universal. Now it is third. Simpsons first (one of the great amusement park experiences ever), then Harry Potter (wow does that shit fling you around) and then Terminator. All are great.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    T2 had what? a couple funny scenes?

    by Billy_D_Williams

    and yes the cinematography is too colorful, as Cameron's films established a fairly dark, gritty, realistic and muted tone for the films... it would be like Cameron making ALIENS all bright and colorful and wouldn't fit the TONE...yes TONE, ever heard of it? T3 is trying to be some hard core, violent action film and it's shot colorfully, totally destroying the continuity of Cameron's films.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    so im a film snob for defending a genuine classic? lmao

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • I enjoyed "T2 3D" when I saw it a few years ago while attending the Universal Horror Halloween Nights event. I appreciated the fact that Cameron shot the film portion of the attraction, so it looked like a Cameron "Terminator" film even if the tone was indeed a bit goofier than his other two pictures. But it was 4D elements that made it fun; all the lasers shooting across the theater, etc. But the big explosion at the end was the best part as a huge plume of smoke errupted from the screen and engulfed the whole theater. I wish all movies did that!

  • It's the only explanation that makes sense.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Stahl and Danes did a decent job carrying T3

    by Koborover

    The Connor/Brewster plot made that movie work in my opinion, and it has that great powerful ending. Too bad the actual Terminator stuff falls short, it was great to see Arnold again but they did nothing new with his character and Loken was just eye candy.

  • No. I saw this last week. The 3D in transformers 3 is light years ahead. It's just nostalgia. I remember loving 3D IMAX under the sea and thinking it looked like reality. So there's old examples of great for sure. But it'll all about that new camera used for trans3 when it comes to virtual reality. It ain't film I agree. It's better than film if you're trying to recreate reality. No grain just like reality. I saw trans 3 in 4K digital. It's the closest thing to captured real I've seen. Still love IMAX also. Depends on what type of movie we're talking about. If you want virtual reality it's all about that new camera. Now you could argue different film stocks and the details they reproduce all day. There's gorgeous character that can only be done with certain stocks. Batman and Robin used the most advanced color film ever developed at that time. I can't stand soft digital movies either. Ultimately movies are fun and I love seeing different techniques used for different scenarios

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    The 3D in this is slightly blurry nowadays.

    by UltraTron

    The theater this is in is awesome. Seats drop out from under you which is always fun. The robots in the theater predates ironman 2 by who knows

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Stahl and Claire Danes did a decent job carrying T3??? That's like saying a para-olympian does a decent job at the decathlon. They were fucking weak. By any standard they were weak. You really think Claire Danes and Stahl lit up the silver screen in T3?!? Fuck me, some people have low standards.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Sooo.... back to the topic

    by stephenWphillips

    The best part of T2-3D is the preshow with the all-too-perky public relations director (who meets a terrible end) and the Miles Bennet Dyson Memorial Auditorium. Some great nods to T2, along with all of the exciting products Cyberdyne is working on - looking at my Cyberdyne logo'ed coffee mug on my desk now.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    That picture looks like Encino Man 2: Far Out Days

    by Xen11

    James Cameron is the caveman that was thawed out in the first one and is now a Californian cool dude. They find a Terminator from the future and he's like "Whoa, dude. Knarly!! He's from.... far out!!!!" So you see, in the sequel, its like a role reversal. The found in the first one, is now the finder in the second.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    The greatness of Terminator

    by Xen11

    All the Terminator films are great. Fuckin' GREAT. The Sarah Connor Chronicles rules them all. If any film is deserving of hate its Battle: L.A. That is one piece of shit movie that actually hurt to watch. I didn't think it was possible that a movie could make me hurt in agony in a theater. Movies are supposed to be entertaining and interesting. The Terminator series is superb. Terminator 3 needs to be watched with awesome sound. It's a roller-coaster ride with moments of brilliance, but mostly a thrill ride. Watching it for the first time, not knowing what was going to happen was one of the greatest theater experiences I've ever had. As a terminator fan, with time travel, there are so many possibilities. A sequel to T2. With the commercials, I wasn't expecting too much. It wasn't Cameron, so I knew to keep my expectations in check. I was actually expecting a subpar movie and I was blown the fuck away. Like I said, its mostly a thrill ride and you really need surround sound to fully appreciate and enjoy it. It's a whole different experience that way. Seriously, put on your headphones on your computer and watch it in a nice format with surround. I had watched the whole series over again and watched T3 on a tube tv, with just the tv sound. It wasn't that great. It's a decent movie, but there was something missing. I then watched it on my computer with headphones and virtual surround sound and I fucking remembered the feeling I had in theaters.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    T3 didnt have a good ending

    by HamburgerEarmuffs

    Much like Alien 3 it undermined most of what the previous movie stood for and accomplished.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST


    by CT1

    forgot how un-bloated they both were long, long ago.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    koborover said it best for me

    by Tigger Tales

    The stuff in T3 that focused on their relationship was entertaining and cool; especially the ending. The Terminator stuff... eh, it was OKAY...

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    kristanna loken was much more scarier in Boy Meets World

    by Tigger Tales

    'Is that cinnamon bun for me?"

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    'Why does it have a 'C' on it?"

    by Tigger Tales

    'Because... C, I knew you would be here!"

  • It's just a viewing option. Those 3D films from the 80s and even the 50s, as well as Avatar were all shot using the same process in which two cameras are aimed through a beamsplitter/mirror 3D rig allowing the eyes to line up in a space approximating the gap between our eyes. Most 3D films from the 50s were screened with polarized projectors. One reason so many 3D films today seem to lack the warmth of the older films could be the size of the image sensor used. Avatar was shot with 2/3 sensors which give a much deeper depth of field than traditional 35mm film (see: the physics of light, lenses, and photography) meaning it looks a lot more like dreaded VIDEO. The next crop of 3D shot films will probably appear closer to the classic 3D look as they are being shot on Red Epics, Arri Alexa and other cameras with a 35mm sensor. Another reason today's 3D films might seem to lack warmth is that the writing sucks. Face it, it's true.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 6:57 p.m. CST

    I keep forgetting these ride films are on YouTube...

    by justmyluck I finally watched T2-3D; CAPTAIN EO and STAR TOURS (the BTTF ride film was on the DVD). I've never been to a corporate amusement park, so it was interesting to finally see these. All technically impressive, the ride films seem to be unabashedly sellout stuff, tailored to kiddies and the lowest common denominator. That's not surprising I guess. Even mastered in 65mm, just with the minor bump-up from 24fps to 30FPS, T2 3-D's live action and VFX look somewhat on the chintz. The Digital Domain T2-3D reel, which was uploaded in proper 30FPS, indeed looks like HD-video, not film, so I still have no idea why Cameron and others want to go 48FPS and higher (beyond a corporate interest in creating a new consumer video delivery format). CAPTAIN EO was a fun vehicle for Michael Jackson but, like T2-3D, the 'poke you in the eye' 3-D shots are self-conscious and seem dated - modern 3-D movies usually attempt to be stereoptically understated and ''immersive''. STAR TOURS, which is supposedly also delivered at high-speed FPS, fared a little better, since most of it was star fields and the Death Star trench filmed motion control. A lot of the miniatures do show their small scale due to the crispness of projection. So, back to T2-3D...I wouldn't consider it TERMINATOR cannon, but it was a nice diversion and would, of course, be more impressive with the live show, smoke, sprinkles, etc. The grand triptych finale of the T-Million was underwhelming on YouTube, for instance, but the audience seemed to eat it up. After finally seeing these, I don't feel like I missed out on much, but they would be fun for kids.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Grammaton Cleric Binks

    by one9deuce

    Well, at least you're level headed about your reply. But honestly, if there was an AICN poll concerning EQUILIBRIUM I'm confident that the vast majority would consider it nothing more than a low budget MATRIX wannabe.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    The theme park YouTube videos don't even come close to giving you the experience of actually being there. Watching those is like watching POV porn, it's definitely not like experiencing the real thing.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Yeah I've got to agree...


    You watch these ride videos on YouTube and they just come off as cheese-fests. When you're actually sat there with a hyped up audience and all kinds of crazy shit is going on, lines like "he was my college room mate" don't even register like they would in a normal movie.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST


    by justmyluck

    Let me put it this way: when I see a trailer for a good movie on YouTube, I'm interested in seeing that movie in a theater. Watching those ride films on YouTube didn't make me interested in seeing those attractions at their venues, even in large-format and/or high FPS.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 10:28 p.m. CST

    T3 is Bad-Ass

    by Autodidact

    It's not as good as the first two but I really dig it anyhow. A couple bad jokes can't ruin it any more than some of the cheese in T2 (does not ruin T2). At least it doesn't have any ginger mega-mullets!

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 10:29 p.m. CST

    T3 ending totally works for me

    by Autodidact

    I was really annoyed that T4 didn't start in that bunker.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST

    I want 48FPS too

    by Autodidact

    Fuck, I remember telling all my friends about 48FPS when Attack of the Clones was coming out. It would make computer graphics a lot less blurry.... seriously the first thing I think of when 48FPS comes to mind nowadays is the Transformers movies. There would be a lot less motion blur. The effect would be really striking.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST

    24FPS motion blur can be virtually eliminated using shutter angle...

    by justmyluck

    ... or its video equivalent. Human persistence of vision is 1/25 sec., so the blur we naturally see with our eyes, and captured with 24FPS film, is replaced by a less visually relaxing presentation. The idea with 48+FPS is is to rivet audiences attention to the screen. The viewer is stimulated* with a less cinematic - more 'live' - less removed electric boogaloo. In VFX, motion blur sells realism..this is why when you look at still images of fully-CGI shots like AVATAR, it doesn't quite look as realistic. So, for an effects-heavy movie like TRANSFORMERS, at 48+FPS, the VFX houses would have to start specializing in 'anti-clarity work, or spend 400% longer finessing CG imagery. You just can't have it both ways. ( * Laboratory tests were performed whereby viewers were monitored during screenings with electromyogram, electroencephalogram, galvanic skin response, and lectrocardiogram. These viewers were shown identical films shot and projected at 24, 36, 48, 60, 66, and 72 fps. The results showed conclusively that the high frame rate of 60 resulted in profoundly increased visual stimulation in viewers.

  • Aug. 15, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    one9deuce, I almost assumed that from the cover

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    then I watched the movie. Other than the uniforms, and perhaps the final gunfight there really aren't similarities. It's not original. I'm the first to admit that. It's Fahrenheit 451 plus 1984 with a splash of Brave New World. But it is a great movie, and long before Machinist or The Fighter came out you just have to see Bale's awakening in this to see that he can act.

  • Aug. 16, 2011, 2:03 a.m. CST

    The Terminator series' story as a whole

    by Xen11

    T1 and T2 are the beginning or early days of the cycle (the time cycle where Skynet and John send their conceivers to "change" things). TSCC is the heart of it all. It's a time cycle far removed but in between the cycle of T1/T2 and the ending cycle (or what should be the ending cycle) of T3/T4/?T5?/?T6?... What I mean by all these cycles is that T1 and T2 is one of the first cycles to start this time "war" between humanity and machines. The T-800 and Kyle Reese cannot be sent back to the exact same time they had arrived before. There would be two of them. They arrive before they had already arrived in the past. This erases the previous "them" and starts a new future/timeline. The futures turn out similar, but a bit different each time, like T3 established. There is definitely an element of fate/destiny. This is not silly. It would have to be this way in order for "John Connor" to survive through all these timelines, as well as getting Kyle Reese through to the past and starting it all over again. There's an infinite number of branches and that is why it is necessary to jump back a little earlier to reset it all. But of course, that can't happen forever, as Sarah would eventually get too young for Kyle to impregnate. The 'EVENTS' of T1 and T2 are a constant (not the date they happen on though). Perhaps its Skynet's plan (it does initiate the time chase after all, by going first after Sarah and then Kyle follows). Or maybe it is fate/ the natural order of things. So it's a game of prolonging that time frame so that the future changes a little bit more each time in the direction it is fated to be. What direction is that? Take a look.... EARLY CYCLE The Terminator - machines are considered the enemy. It's clear, cold cut us vs. them. There is no in between. Machines are considered "evil". Terminator 2: Judgment Day - humans are considered the problem. We destroy ourselves and machines are merely the mirrors, the creation of the beholder. In the hands of humanity as a whole, machines are cold-blooded killers. In the hands of John Connor, a machine can learn the value of human life. SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE (WHERE THINGS REALLY DIVERT) Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - this is the heart of the entire Terminator saga. Everything is truly explored and you see what its all leading to; the purpose of the future, of John Connor; how John Connor is the link needed to have peace. That is through his love for machines (for Cameron). You also have John Henry, who has a lover in the form of a human girl. These are not sexual lovers. They love each other and care enough to sacrifice their life for the other. Skynet is the Republicans of the machines. They crave death. Machines have reached the Singularity. They are divided. It is no longer one or the other end of the spectrum. ENDING CYCLE Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines - this is where the future is established. It is found out that there is no "prevention" of the future. Humans are going to self-destruct. There is will be machines; they will rise. It's the point of realization that there is a change. Not changing as in stopping or preventing something, but change in the sense of acceptance. Terminator Salvation - In the future, humans are cold, paranoid, untrusting. Skynet has been planning something. Fusion of human and machines. It's goal is to be more human. To live, to win this war, it must be more studious of humans. It actually melds human and cyborg together successfully. It is this key element (Marcus Wright) that has his/its heart win out over the cold machine half. It is this key element that shows humans (John Connor) more compassion for technology. It is a Terminator (not fully machine) that saves the future of mankind. This terminator was not reprogrammed to serve humans, it chose to help, against its programming. Skynet underestimated the will of the human heart. None of the above installments got it wrong. They are all successful in the big picture. What is worrying is the future of the franchise. It's clear that Josh Friedman fully grasps Terminator and summed it all up, while fully exploring it, in The Sarah Connor Chronicles. I hope what I'm saying, as illustrated above, is considered. It's crucial that they understand how this all works together.

  • Aug. 16, 2011, 5:22 a.m. CST

    Terminator Salvation has plenty of comic relief...

    by sonnyhooper's just unintended comic relief. pretty much everything Bale says and does in the movie is fucking hysterical. you can see that Bale is completley out of fucking control through out the whole film. <p> but he really becomes unhinged once he gets into skynets base to save kyle. at one point he is telling all the civilians to get out of the base and he stops to yell at the mute girl..... <p> "YOU! MOVE!" <p> fucking cracks me up EVERY time. just the way he yells at her, for no real good reason, and the look of fear on the kids face is just fucking awesome.

  • Aug. 16, 2011, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Sooo what was the important scene in T:S,in which

    by KilliK

    the incident with the cinematographer trashing the lights happened? Does anyone know?

  • Aug. 16, 2011, 6:36 a.m. CST

    If you don't like Terminator Salvation


    then you're just a little pussy.

  • Aug. 16, 2011, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Happy Birthday to my cinematic God,Mr James Cameron.

    by KilliK

    I wish him good health and all the best for his upcoming projects.

  • Aug. 16, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Do I have a birthday?

    by Xen11

    I was built.

  • Aug. 16, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    true story....

    by sonnyhooper

    .....Terminator Salvation was on the other night. while i was watching it, the wife walks in, and asks whats on. <p> i sad "fucking lord bale, terminator salvation. <p> she look and me, looks at the telly-vision. and says: "who did the lighting in this fucking scene. looks fucking amateur." <p> i then, fall out of my chair and almost break a rib, with laughter. true fucking story.

  • Aug. 16, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST


    by sonnyhooper

    i always suspect the scene where connor is talking to kate about how his mothers tapes never said anything about terminators like marcus. something about that whole scene makes me think it's the most logical place it could have happened. it's just brice-dallas and bale in the scene, and it has a lot of dialogue from bale. thats my best guess anyway.