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Omega Prime follows up on his previous TITAN AE post
Hey folks, Harry here with a bit more plot description and story structure for the Don Bluth, Fox Animation release TITAN A.E. I wrote our ol autobot friend to see if I could get a bit more out of the ol nuts and bolts guy... and sure enough, like the hero he is, he came through... Here ya go...
The basic plot line for "Titan A.E." revolves around a young man by the name
of Cale. 15 years after the destruction of Earth, Cale is a loner. Orphaned
by his dead father, a great scientist, Cale has had to grow up fast and
consequently cares about himslef more than anything else. He doesn't care
that the human race is a minority in the universe. But that's all about to
change.
Joe Corso (think Han Solo) and the beautiful Piolet have sought out Cale for
inside him may be the key to the future of humankind. Imprinted in Cale's
hand is a map to find the Titan. The Titan, created by Cale's father, is
indeed humanities last hope. Located in an isolated ice field in the far
depths of space, when activated the Titan creates a genesis affect (yes, much
like Star Trek) and creates essentially what is an "Earth 2". Cale must learn
to put others before himself as he becomes a hero.
So, what makes this film the greatest space opera since the original "Star
Wars" trilogy. The story sounds predictable, right? I, for one, guarantee
that it is formulaic and never lacks a cliched moment; even the twists are
expected. However, the film is just so enjoyable. Yes, the romance, drama,
and comedy are all there to manipulate the audience. But isnt that what
film-making is about; to laugh, cry, and cheer! Occasionally, an audience may
walk out of a film and think too. Personally, my favorite "Star Wars" film is
"Empire Strikes Back". It has a dark tone, further developed characters, a
more complex plot, and diverse settings. "Titan A. E." has the ambience of "A
New Hope", "Flash Gordon" and even "The Fifth Element". It looks and feels
like something you would see in a comic book, or play in a video game, or
watch as a saturday morning cartoon.
Omega Prime
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Jan 24, 2000 6:15:26 AM CST
No the point of filmaking is not to make people laugh, cry, and
by mr logic
The point of filmmaking is to challenge the audience and show them new visions and storys and points of view they dont normally see. If we wanted to laugh and cry and cheer we would go on frigging Opra!!
Making people laugh, and cry and cheer is manipulative generic filmaking, it is not progressive and interesting like film should be. But then thats hollywood isnt it!
Who is this prat??? well its obvious he's a Fox promotions person posing as a scooper. or perhaps harry has been flung a truckload of cash to let this bloke reguritate his press release on this site.
Dont beleive this bullshit people, if this Omega prime reads this, FUCK OFF mate. We dont fall for your shit we are not so stupid that we lap up everything we read on this site like the truth and I for one am not going to see you crappy generic movie.
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The point of lots of movies is to make you laugh or cry. Was "American Pie" supposed to teach you about teenage sexual mores or make you bust a gut? Although I kinda agree with you when it comes to Sci-fi films. Part of their purpose is supposed to be to show us things we've never seen before. I thought the trailer for "Titan AE" looked good and I'm looking forward to seeing the movie but I'm disappointed to hear that it's full of cliches. I would rather that it had tried to tell an original story and say something new. No slam-bam Sci-fi film will stand a chance of unseating "Star Wars" unless it creates something we've never seen before. "Titan AE" doesn't look like it can really compete with "Star Wars" but it looks like it could make for an enjoyable Saturday afternoon. Pity it couldn't have aspired to something better.
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Just wanted to get my thoughts about the CGI through to you guys. I saw the trailer for this newest animated movie from a guy that could only touch me with his movie about a certain Mrs. Briby. This was truly one great film. Afterwards the only one that is worth mentioning is "an american tail" (or was it "tale"?). Anastasia was ok, but I really hated the poorly done CGI. Not poorly in the sense of lame animation, but in the blending with the traditional animation (the train, the music box, the stone-horse, anyone?). Now with Titan, I have the exact same problem. When watching the trailer, I could just pick out the CGI (which was used rather often). I hate it when it's used so obviously. It just doesn't blend with the traditional animation. Well, the rest of it does look kinda cool. If you take the traditional on it's own, it's nice, and if you take away the traditional and look solely at the CGI it's also nicely done. Together, it doesn't work for me. (it worked in Tarzan, except for the boat-sequences).
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But don't be such a fucking snob. You have to enjoy something (laugh, cry, cheer) in order to learn something. Brecht got it right; let ppl have a laugh AND THEN they'll listen.
The cinema is NOT a class room. It is a place to leave our lives behind us, to be united in a common experience which is enjoyable and then when the film is over the audience should leave the theatre BUT retain what they saw; so that they leave and take the film with them, discuss it, ponder it and learn something from it. Obviously this is not true of very many films, but for goodness sake, do you surf the internet to pick up philosophical tid-bits that will improve your life?
Hmmm...I've seen the trailer twice and I thnk the mix of CGI and hand-drawn looks crappy, confusing and disjointed. The CGI looks not realistic enough to be live action but too realsitici to belong to a cartoon. DIdn't seem quite right. -
Ok so mabye I was a little hasty.
I dont mean that people should not laugh and cry and scream and shout at films but that shouldnt be the only motivating force. Films that simpley intend to do this by playing on emotions are manipulative soppy genric crap. Its the films with a message that make us ask questions about ourselves and our realtion to others and the world that are memorable. And those are the films I want to see more of. -
Darnit this is the perfect opportunnity for Todd to use his Iron Giant commentary. But lo and behold looks like I'll have to do it for him since I came to read his postings to be entertained. You know what? Maybe this film can answer the biggest question that has been haunting us forever. What is the origin of the IRON GIANT? When the crew of Titan AE create the new world there can be a subplot where we find that the next planet closest to the new Earth is the same planet of origin that was inhabited by the Giant. Ooh Ooh but just before you say, "Ah but that's sooo derivitive, it just plain sucks!" we can then create a subplot where the evil giants (since the giant was obviously made as a weapon from another planet to wipe out earth) try to take over the humans of Titan AE's new world where we then find out who created them, Vector Sigma of CYBERTRON! Oh man this film will kick even more ass when the company backing up this project can then create toys and put cheerful musical song numbers to sell more cds and cheap plastic to exploit it even further! Now for the topper this movie will act as both a sequel and an original movie all at once with cameo appearances by today's hottest stars such as Martha Stewart as the homely hopping woman! Ah movie making doesn't get better than this! Top this Tod!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA!
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OK, maybe you're not such a fucking snob...and you are right anyway.
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This film has had a rocky production right from the start; at earlier stages it was conceived of as being a full-3D film a'la Pixar; VIFX had poster-size 3D artwork depicting most of the major characters and vehicles at their Siggraph booth in '98. It was also being directed by Art Vitello (of 'Tiny Toon Adventures' fame) at that point, but sometime in the last couple of years he either left or was sacked and Don Bluth was brought in to finish the film... kind of the opposite of what usually happens on a Bluth project. ^_^; And that's kind of a shame, really... this could've been "Space Ace: the Movie" if he'd been on the project from day one. But as it is, this production seems to be a mishmash of styles and storytelling techniques that are clashing terribly, the most glaring of which is the lack of effective blending between 2D and 3D elements. "The Iron Giant" achieved a good blend by forcing the 3D character and vehicles to look more 2D; "Tarzan" achieved acceptable blends by using their traditional-media background artists to paint 3D geometry. In "Titan A.E," there seem to be no such considerations; the spacecraft are reflective, shiny, and encrusted with full-24-bit detail, while the hand-drawn characters and background art look no different from most traditionally-animated films (oh, some subtle shadow-and-highlights detail added in post, but still, not at all homogenous with the 3D). ALL THAT BEING SAID, however, this movie could surprise me and actually be quite enjoyable... I walked into "Stuart Little" with many of the very same reservations based on its troubled production phase, and was actually pleasantly surprised at how very good it was... "Stuart" is actually the most fully-realized character I've seen animated in a good long while!
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So let me get this straight... He's orphaned by his DEAD father. Okay. It all makes sense now. Hey... why haven't I seen any scoops on Snow Day?
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So let me get this straight... He's orphaned by his DEAD father. Okay. It all makes sense now. Hey... why haven't I seen any scoops on Snow Day?
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Oh, PLEASE, gentlemen. Art is not an either/or. In the broadest definition of
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The ancient greek playwrites, in fact, were very concerned about making people laugh, cry, and cheer. Back then, as it is today, great plays and movies lead to some sort of kathardic, emotional release.
Sure, I love seeing movies that make me think. At the same time though, if a movie doesn't make me feel anything, well, I probably won't be coming back to see that movie again. -
..... but Mr Logic is yet another poster on this board who would do well to check out Preston Sturges' SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS. Now, as for TITAN AE..... sounds great and all, but I liked it better when it had a joystick and was called SPACE ACE.
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Can we please stop using Akira as an example of good animation? It was some of the worst animation ever produced. Anime has a very cool visual style, but the animation is almost always poor. The timing is usually off, there is no sense of weight or mass. The motions are almost never life-like. However, most of it is done this way for effect. The Japanese have a much stronger tradition in dramatic theatre than we do, and that's reflected in their art. While Anime is very cool visually, and often has a much more intelligent story-line than american animated movies, no one should confuse it with good animation.
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Don Bluth brought us Rock-a-Doodle, A Troll in Central Park, All Dogs Go to Heaven, Thumbelina, and The Pebble and the Penguin (not to mention Anastasia, Land Before Time, American Tail, and Secret of NIMH). Not exACTLY a track record. He cannot tell a story, and not ONE of the characters in any of his films is based on anyting an audience can identify with. Titan A.E. looks like another one of the Don Bluth perverted train wrecks.
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Not to raise anyone's hackles, but Don Bluth, the individual talent, has accomplished more than any other single animator in America in the past 20 years. He broke away from the evil that is Disney, established himself with the wonderful Secret of NIMH, and has since kept himself quite busy. Anyone who can survive outside of the corporate Nazi death machine that is Disney deserves full credit in my book. Like I said before, give Bluth a cool script and enough financing and he can make an awesome cool movie with his own signature style. [This statement excludes the existence of straight-to-video crap. Let's just forget the Troll in Central Park ever happened.] Titan A.E. looks like it will be a very entertaining flick. Not art, not cinema, but a flick (Harry, I still remember your sliding scale for movies.) And one last thing: MGM HOW DARE YOU?? Please give us the Secret of NIMH DVD in anamorphic widescreen!! That pan n' scan DVD you released is HORRID AND UNNACCEPTABLE. We demand that wonderful gem called NIMH be restored to it's original aspect ratio! Jeez.
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...in that he himself can draw. But he CANNOT tell a story or create a character personality to save his life. Never could. I, like many people, can certainly admire the hard work that went into a movie like Secret of NIMH (and wish it were available Widescreen on DVD), but it lacks a coherant story, and the characters never make decisions for themselves. When cornered into a situation where a character might actually have to make a decision (and therefore reveal character) Don throws in a chase scene. Much like his own life, he tends to avoid wanting to get personal. And the best films demand that. If "accomplishing things" means just MAKING movies, and not learning from them and getting better, than I suppose you could say the same about Ed Wood. Or Ralph Bakshi. Don leaving Disney was the best thing to happen--to DISNEY. Since then, Don has scammed and cheated artists (of which I am NOT one of) from California to Ireland. He owes people a LOT of money, which he will NEVER pay. While this is particularly scummy--I might want to mind about that less if he were a competent film maker. BUT HE AIN'T!!!!!!!
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If after seeing the trailer and reading the above you have an opinion to the contrary, flush out your headgear.
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Jan 24, 2000 9:10:41 PM CST
"Titan A.E" looks and sounds pretty worthless, but I'll see it a
by brundledan
Why? Because IT ISN'T DISNEY. Disney's feature animation, once unrivaled in the industry (not that there WAS much competition), has backslid into repetitive, uninspired crap, as we all know. This is compounded by their attempts to crush any other studio that even ATTEMPTS to put out an animated film, and it's why I've boycotted Disney for seven years now. Of course, this is nothing new. But something occurred to me the other day. I was watching "The Iron Giant" for the first time, and was simply bug-eyed over how GREAT it was - it is easily the best animated film to come out in at least ten years. "Man," I thought, "I sure wish I'd seen this in a theater." And then it occurred to me: why in hell HADN'T I? I'd known it was out. That's when I realized that while I wasn't supporting Disney, I also wasn't supporting any of the other, non-Disney animated features out there. Heck, I didn't see "Anastasia". I didn't see "Quest for Camelot". And Disney's stranglehold on the market will never be loosened as long as everyone goes to see "Tarzan" but NOT masterpieces like "The Iron Giant". So, I've made a new pledge: I will now go to see EVERY NON-DISNEY ANIMATED FEATURE RELEASED, no matter HOW bad it looks. Which means I'll be going to see "Titan A.E.", even though both the trailer and that review up there make me wanna puke. Undoubtedly, a bunch of you saw the light long before I did and have already been doing this. All you other animation fans out there: GO SEE "Titan A.E.", No matter how much it hurts. The Disney juggernaut has got to be stopped. Who's with me?
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I'm afraid that I can't support the previous poster that going to see a Don Bluth flick will hurt Disney. The fact is, Don has never had a distinct style, and follows the exact same formulas that Disney does. Even the animation styles are similar. You can't tell me that Anastasia wasn't a blatant rip off of Disney's current formula: young, attractive women threatened by evil old man with comedic sidekick (Rasputin=Jafar with Russian accent), falls for attractive hero type. Adventures and pointless musical numbers ensue. In fact, I would bet you that a large portion of the public can't tell the difference between the two studios. And because Bluth rips off Disney's style, he's only reinforcing the problems that face animation in america. That is, as long as studio releases continue to be formulaic advertisements for little kids and toy-buying parents, we'll never see anything interesting or ground-breaking come from a mainstream studio (Pixar and Brad Bird excepted).
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After all that ranting about Bluth, I have to admit that Titan AE piqued my interest when I saw the trailer. Yes, there have been no attempts to blend the CGI and trad. animation, but frankly I think it creates a rather interesting visual style. What really bothered me about films like Tarzan was that there were one or two things that really clashed badly (ie boats on the water) and didn't fit with the rest of the movie. Titan looks like the two styles are mixed together so often that it makes for something unusual and interesting. I think I'll check it out, if only for that reason.
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Jan 24, 2000 10:57:32 PM CST
So, art makes you laugh, cry, cheer, rage and swear like a rap m
by keeper
Hey, it's these talkbacks people! We're a work of pop art in process. As for Titan A. E., it sounds like an amalgamation of a bunch of other movies and animation: WATERWORLD, Robotech, STAR WARS, etc. The trailer I saw before GALAXY QUEST wasn't all that impressive to begin with and the animation looked kind of gritty. Maybe I'll save this one for the $2.00 cinema.
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Can anyone give me some feedback on Graeme Revell's score to Titan A.E.? Anyone at all???
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...makes Ralph Bakshi's roto work look GOOD by comparison. ESPECIALLY in Titan A.E.
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I don't know...the trailer looks horrible. The conventional animation just doesn't match the cgi elements...and the conventional stuff really sticks out. It's gotta be one of the worst trailers in years...
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I hear everybody on this board bitching about how awful "Anastasia" was and I don't get it. I admit that it ripped off the Disney style and was historically inaccurate but I loved it. It was much better than "Tarzan," "Hunchback," "Hercules," and especially that crapstorm that was "Quest for Camelot." For being a Disney knockoff, "Anastasia" hit all the right notes.
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Jan 25, 2000 1:13:43 AM CST
"GO SEE "Titan A.E.", No matter how much it hurts. The Disney ju
by bono
NOTHING will ever stop Disney--not even a nuclear war! Those twisted capitalist freaks cannot be stopped...not even THE SECOND COMING of Christ could do it (they'd have Him signed to a contract within a week!). Disney animation is old, boring, and repetitive. They apparently use the same dopey model sheets for EVERY movie! And every freakin' movie has to have talking animals! To hell with that...but, see, Disney needs to maintain a consistent look from generation to generation (just like in Hitler's Master Plan). These guys know how to turn a buck; NO ONE CAN ORGANIZE AGAINST THEM...not boycott could ever succeed. They are the Catholic Church of the Entertainment World: they have infiltrated the very hearts and minds of the masses. Mickey Mouse was always loser of a character...but by God he's EVERYWHERE!!! Why? Because Uncle Walt PLANNED IT THAT WAY! Forget about Satan...Walt Disney is succeeding where The Prince of Darkness failed (oh yeah, he DID fail; he sent a brief note about it this past year with his Christmas card). TITAN A.E.? It doesn't have a chance. I am determined not to bow down before the alter of Walt...but it gets harder and harder to refuse!!! God, I need a drink...
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Is it just me, or did the first two paragraphs sound like they came off of a Titan AE cereal box? I swear, some of the things Omega Prime wrote towards the end sounds like something you'd see quoted in the TV promos: "The greatest space opera since the original Star Wars!" "Enjoyable!" "The romance, drama, and comedy are all there for the audience!" "[You'll] Laugh! Cry! Cheer!" I'm sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. As for what I've seen of the trailer, it looks like it can be Bluth's next big hit...FINALLY. I certainly hope it's something worth laughing, crying, and cheering about.
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Jan 25, 2000 8:39:05 AM CST
Well if it has a ton of cliches, laughing and crying might not b
by drath
This is a real pity, I was hoping for a decent adventure film. Its animation reminds me of Heavy Metal. Oh I'll go and see Titan AE anyway, but my hopes are dashed. I don't know, Raiders took cliches and had fun with them, so maybe this will too. On another note, I don't think that going to any animated film JUST because it's not Disney is going to solve anything. I see it as a waist of money. Your money. So if it blows, before you mouth off in here, just remember that you were warned!
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who is this idiot "Mr. Logic" it should be "Mr. Moron" what does he know about film making, if Mr. Moron's were making movies (and thank goodness they would never get past helping the caterers) films would be nothing more than propoganda for some idiots or governments agenda. Hey Mr. Logic
they make those types of films in North Korea. I don't care whether Omega Prime is a publicist, screenwriter, producer or whatever, I agree with him or her. Films are for entertainment and yes to make money so additional films can be produced and so on. If the film police who would want to shove their challenges, new visions and storys down our throats were producing films we would only see them at gun point. So mr. Logic before you post any more of your boring dribble you should learn to distinguish between your arse and the hole in your head.
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Ok, I've made a point of ignoring talkbacks the last couple of months, but I just can't let this one pass. From the days of grunting humanoids squatting over burning twigs for warmth, to the glory days of the great greek ampitheaters all the way to literary greats like George Orwell fiction has been a way to make a POINT, to express an IDEA. Even science-fantasy fluff like Star Wars tries to express a point of view (Hell Lucas even has the characters preaching throughout his damn movies). We differ in our interpretations of them, but a good story ALWAYS makes a point... except in 2000 Hollywood, where Merchandising has replaced ideas, market research has replaced artistic integrity, and special effects have replaced writing. You, "netrage" may like to live in a world where you are only exposed to easily digestable pablum which ever fails to challenge your own particular world view, but I personally would prefer to avoid encountering that particular "Brave new World"... hmm, there is another great work which tried to express an idea... imagine that.
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Jan 26, 2000 11:29:20 PM CST
I think every movie tries to send out some sort of idea...
by all thumbs
Most of them send out their ideas in the form of morality lessons, especially the stinkers and the no-brainers, like "The Waterboy" (underdogs can overcome anything with people who love and support them behind them, don't underestimate them or make fun of them, etc.). The better movies manage to make it something new, something meaningful or if it is an old message, they send it out in ways that challenge your personal perceptions in some way.
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I go to the movies to escape my mundane existence. I want to laugh,cry,and sometimes just be entertained. Sometimes I like a movie that makes me think but I also just want to escape for a couple of hours.
I want a happy ending where the hero rides/flies off into the sunset with the girl. where basic good defeats evil is the only message you here. Besides theres too much grey ereas in the world anyway dont you Think?
And if I come out of the theatre
feeling I didnt waste my seven bucks then critics and naysayers be damned. I escaped for awhile
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.....but [b]HELL![/b] I'll go for any toon or anime that plays stuff
from people like Lunatic Calm or Curve or Garbage in them, no matter how predictable or cliched their stories are. Hey, give me an anime anytime that plays Chineseburn by Curve. -
I'd see Titan AE just to encourage
the film industry to make more animated (anime-style, if you will) films geared at older audiences. The great thing about animation is the "anything goes" approach you can take towards the plot and effects. It's just nice to see an animated flick that doesn't have 5-year-olds in it's crosshairs. I think that support towards a movie like "Titan AE" will possibly encourage the development of an American "Anime"
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I was wondering if anybody could tell me the artist and song title of the first track played in the Titan AE trailer.
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ive noticed here so far that some of yall are acting like disneys a fricken god, not say that don is, but do you know how many times HE went bankrupt?? like 7,and im sure that some of those people never gopt the mney theyre suppoed to, so when it happens to bluth peeps start calling him a jerk whatever! reality check table one!its called life and what happens in its sukky moments, nobodys perfect! anastasias my favouite movie of all time and will probably be 4ever and all of yall say that the cgi sukd well sure, but to who, the whole 7 of yall who actually give a sh*t?people arent going to walk out of a movie because the cgi sukd, although there are a few people here who would that i will fair to mention. then you all talk about what movies are for. well for anyone besides me who actually PASSED FOURTH GRADE, u know that there areliterature and scripts in ou case have one of 3 objectives, to persuade , entertain, and to inform .they dont neccesarily WANT you you to cry or whetever. they put out a storyline to entertain you, then along the way if something u can relate to oror reminds them of something that happened to them, theyll laugh, cry, whatever they do! this is what we call a reaction. i CAN guarantee however that NO adults will jump outin the beginning of the movieand yell "the cgi suks! im leaving" oh wah wah, keep dreaming people!and if on the off chance this sounds like you, get some help! the rest of the world who is surfing the "how bout we wathc this movie and see if we like it with out critisizing its every turn"brainwave will thank you immensley. some of yall are taking this about 1 million steps out of preportion, and i have to wonder if you can sit down through a whole movie without critisizing it at all. and if you cant, you might want to try it someday, hopefully sooner then later for the sake of everyone who has to listen to ur bs.
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I don't care what people say about this film.
When Disney cooks up something they call it time and tried tradition ,but when other studios do animation they come with those cliched and predictable s**t stuff.It's a pity what happened to Iron Giant,Anastasia and El Dorado .
And talking about WD they just love to torture other studios don't they.I guess you'll should know why Fantasia is slated to be released on June 16th.Isnt that the same day TitanA.E. starts screening too?
Wow! what a f**cking coincidence.
When this film is released I'm gonna watch it until I finish my whole month's pay.
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Maybe it's just because I'm a loyal disney fanatic but I do have to say that when Disney does animation, they do it right. I am, of course, refering to the art, not the story and no other animated movie has come close to what Disney can do. Iron Giant had a GREAT story and was an awesome film but the animation wasn't quite Disney. Titan AE LOOKS like nothing great. The animation is all rotoscoped (for laymen, that means all the action was filmed with real actors then traced by the animators), the cgi is painfully obvious, and the voice acting is another obvious ploy. But with all that said, I am pretty excited about the film because it's doing what Disney won't do. And that is try to make a animated movie that doesn't cater to the 6 and under set. Call me crazy, but I think that alone makes it worth my time and money. And keep this in mind as well, folks. FOX Feature Animation isn't putting out another film. It folded a couple months ago so this is it. Enjoy the non-Disney stuff while you can, is what I say.
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Well, with people like you still existing on earth I'm not suprised if Fox Family Animation folded.
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Hello,
Yes I am a big Otaku! I am a fan of Japanese Anime, But I think Titan A.E is one step closer for the US audience to come to conclusion that cartoons are all for kids. Now the story is cliche sure(this american animation people..Disneyish c*ap rules over here in the US)So it's going to be predicible clear to the end....but its just alot of fun!! Sometimes movies are supposed to challange the mind to..but in the begining of Cinema the stuff was for entertainment(pure stupidity)..I have been studying film for a long time and I relize people just take this stuff way to seriously!!!!
Okay thats my 2 cents!
Bye!
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