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Published at: Aug. 7, 2011, 8:18 p.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

A lot has been made about A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy’s Revenge undercurrent of homosexuality and for good reason. Between Marshall Bell’s S&M coach character and the teenage fear of what is inside him coming out it’s a pretty on-the-nose commentary… but a curious one. If homosexuality is what the lead, Jesse, is afraid to let loose then the film represents homosexuality as a grotesque mass murderer that when let loose kills everybody at the pool party.

It’s a bit of a curious case of conflicting commentary, but there’s a dark gritty tone to Nightmare 2 that I can’t help but appreciate. It’s not my favorite of the series (I like 1, 3, 4 and New Nightmare better than 2), but you gotta give it credit for still featuring scary Freddy Krueger. His one liners start going crazy in Dream Warriors, but by The Dream Master he’s well on the road to cartoon territory.

Not here, good sir. That human-faced dog can rot in hell and Kevin Yagher’s make-up work on the whole is just plain disturbing. Whether it’s Freddy crawling out of Mark Patton’s skin or that goddamn nightmare dog there’s a surreality to the movie that can’t be denied.

Below you’ll see Kevin Yagher working on Robert Englund’s exposed brain!

Thanks to Steve Abramson for sending this one along! Click to embiggen!

 

 

 

If you have a behind the scenes shot you’d like to submit to this column, you can email me at quint@aintitcool.com.

Tomorrow’s behind the scenes pics give us a very rare look behind the scenes of a great ‘80s fantasy flick.

-Quint
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  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    cool

    by cymbalta4thedevil

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:33 p.m. CST

    BREAKING NEWS: HOLLYWOOD MOVIE HAS GAY UNDERTONES

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    details at 11

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST

    I'll always remember this sequel for one reason ...

    by Toe Jam

    And that's the one in which the main dude is licking the chick's tits and his tongue grows. As a young boy of probably about 7 or 8 years old, this was both very disturbing and very erotic at the same time.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I think it was that super gay lead character

    by maxjohnson1971

    That gave the movie it's underlying gay tone.

  • the boiler room and the fu man chu fingers ceral make this Freddy part 2 a good sequel.

  • The following paragraph could have been written by a 12-year-old moron who thinks the birth of cinema was the release of THE LION KING: it’s a pretty on-the-nose commentary… but a curious one. If homosexuality is what the lead, Jesse, is afraid to let loose then the film represents homosexuality as a grotesque mass murderer that when let loose kills everybody at the pool party.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Love the whole series.

    by Aaron

    The box set has survived many rounds of "take my dvds to the moviestop to pawn for drugs n alcohol". I love all the installments, and have yet to see the remake? Is it good or awful or what?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Freddy joins Mortal Kombat this week

    by AKA_Gern_Blanston

    While we're on the subject, in case anyone didn't know and gives a damn, Freddy Krueger becomes available for download as a character in the latest Mortal Kombat game this week. Sadly, it's closer to the JEH remake Freddy, but it's still Freddy in MK.

  • Villification of homosexuals was de rigueur because homosexuality was widely accepted as a sign of a weak, and/or damaged mind, making it a great way (whether explicitly or implicitly) to characterize antagonists. CRUISING was the first movie I know of that people actually started to make a fuss about this phenomenon, and BASIC INSTINCT was prolific in the same regard. There's nothing curious about what this film did as Quint explains it -- he sounds like somebody praising the shots from the recent RESIDENT EVIL movie without realizing they are 1:1 ripped off directly from the MATRIX series. I've never seen NIGHTMARE #2 (it came out before I was born, which is another reason I expect Quint to know at least as much as I do about basic trends and attitudes in mainstream movies of the period) so if NoES2 actually did something interesting with respect to this subtext, educate me.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    KEVIN YAGHER = LANCE GUEST

    by Mullah Omar

    Put that man in a Starfighter suit! As for the ELM STREET films, 2 always felt weak compared to 1 and 3. A big factor is simply technical - old VHS copies I saw of 2 always looked like they were shot on videotape and in the dark, ie they were just dingy and cheap. PART 3 was always the most entertaining for me, not just because it was funnier, but because for once the kids were all fighting back in ways that made sense. Even if they all got their asses kicked, you weren't shaking your head at how stupid they were. One effect that always sticks with me is Freddy walking down an alley with ridiculously long arms stretched to both sides. They looked like they were not completely attached to Freddy's torso. I know it was supposed to be scary but it was so cheap-looking that always made me laugh. Was Yagher responsible for that silliness?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Catcherman's post's on this site suck. FACT!!!

    by Mr Soze

    Give it up dipshit

  • Look for Gore Vidal's interview on the subject; Wikipedia has a cursory sentence about it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST

    goldentribe...only you can educate yourself

    by Bobo_Vision

    Cruising and Basic Instinct didn't have gay subtext....they were about gay characters. That's why this film is in a different league and doesn't belong in the same conversation as the movies you mentioned. By adding in your second post that you haven't even seen this film, you come off as an obnoxious blowhard who is trying to seem smart but failing. That seems to be a common theme with you. <p> No offense, just an observation.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST

    You don't make any sense

    by golden tribw

    Re: "That's why this film is in a different league and doesn't belong in the same conversation" So according to you, the NIGHTMARE guys took the central point of at least one movie made years earlier and reduced it to a subtext .... and that's why it's not okay to dismiss someone who comes this close to calling it groundbreaking -- because it's a 'gay subtext' and not 'about gay characters.' I won't even tell you how you come off.

  • He is merely talking about the film which relates to today's Behind the Scenes Pic of the day. But you've decided to use this as yet another opportunity to make an ass of yourself. You have a long history of this. <p> Ask anyone. Should we take a poll?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Does anyone comment on the pic anymore?

    by ThehandthatBites

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST

    CURIOUS. It's a word. Look it up.

    by golden tribw

  • It's up to that person to change themselves first. You're not there yet. My statement doesn't apply to everyone...only you...which is why it was directed to you. The hint is that the sentence was preceded by your name.

  • You're a thick one.

  • This is why I can't educate you, goldentribe. I can't teach you reading comprehension. Googling the definitions of words isn't going to help you either if you lack this skill.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:01 p.m. CST

    A mass murderer!? OMG! Good thing nobody mentioned CRUISING!

    by golden tribw

    This is hilarious. I ended my second post in this talkback with: "if NoES2 actually did something interesting with respect to this subtext, educate me." (Your response was absolutely precious.) I am still waiting to hear what this interesting -- you might say curious! -- innovation was.

  • They have my sympathy.

  • My mistake in this thread was swearing, initially, when I should not have -- it has robbed profanity of any potential to make an impression when it is needed, as now. Your every single post in this talkback is a testament to your idiocy, and with each response you have further established your lack of intelligence, wit, analytical ability, and reading comprehension. You have utterly failed to establish that there is anything "curious" whatsoever about this film, and that was the only thing I seized on and criticized initially, which is why my second comment was so carefully explanatory -- I didn't want to have to respond to morons like you who condescend despite never having anything of any substance to add, and I even ended it on a note of mollification, which laughably predicted your cuntishly indignant response, "only you can educate yourself." Laugh.

  • I'm sure another response completely devoid of information and constructiveness will await my return.

  • You started by calling Quint completely oblivious to the history of film and claiming parts of his article could have been written by a 12 year old....while revealing that you have no idea what you're talking about and haven't seen the movie being discussed and you're trying really hard to seem smart, but I, along with everyone else, can see through it. And you have sealed your reputation as one of the biggest imbeciles in the AICN talkbacks. No small feat.

  • You started by calling Quint completely oblivious to the history of film

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:23 p.m. CST

    deleted my whole post, the hell with it

    by golden tribw

  • Afraid to wade into the pool....because goldentribe is taking golden showers in it......? <p> Understandable.

  • You are veering farther and farther from anything resembling a logical response to anything I have written, which is why I will not waste any more time on you. You're a complete imbecile who's gotten his panties in a twist and resorted to direct personal attacks because movies with 'gay subtext' don't 'belong in the same conversation' as movies 'about gay characters' -- whatever the hell that means. You've asserted that Quint never said something that's still sitting at the top of the page. And you've laughably criticized my reading comprehension while utterly failing to address the fact that the word CURIOUS, which is at the root of this entire conversation and which Quint used twice in his post, applies in no substantial way to this movie, which was my only point from the beginning.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    I think goldentribe is bi-CURIOUS

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    You know how you can tell if a guy is gay?

    by brobdingnag

    If you're a guy and you look at him and just really want to suck his dick...he's totally gay.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Did Harry like Rise of the Apes?

    by tomandshell

    I was just wondering.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:35 p.m. CST

    QED

    by golden tribw

    CURIOUS denotes strangeness, the unusual (unconventional), which this isn't. Villification of homosexuals was de rigueur because homosexuality was widely accepted as a sign of a weak, and/or damaged mind, making it a great way (whether explicitly or implicitly) to characterize antagonists. CRUISING was the first movie I know of that people actually started to make a fuss about this phenomenon, and BASIC INSTINCT was prolific in the same regard. There's nothing curious about what this film did as Quint explains it -- he sounds like somebody praising the shots from the recent RESIDENT EVIL movie without realizing they are 1:1 ripped off directly from the MATRIX series. I've never seen NIGHTMARE #2 (it came out before I was born, which is another reason I expect Quint to know at least as much as I do about basic trends and attitudes in mainstream movies of the period) so if NoES2 actually did something interesting with respect to this subtext, educate me. .......................... I wrote that two hours ago. Funny how it's still a valid response to your latest post because you haven't actually said anything at all in this entire talkback.

  • Any fan of classic Freddy should seek out a copy. Seriously entertaining stuff. That is all.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:46 p.m. CST

    My cousin played the idiot football player in parts

    by sweeneydave

    4 & 5. We were all so proud of him for living through part 4. He died at the beginning of part 5. I was just a tyke when my mom threw our strict religious upbringing out the window and forced our sheltered eyes to watch our cousin, Danny, battle an undead child stalker who will wait until we go to sleep before slaughtering us all. Once of the most frightening times of my childhood.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:47 p.m. CST

    That's amazing

    by golden tribw

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Hellooooooo Kevin Yagher...!

    by Neil

    What'cha up to later stud?!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST

    I always liked Yagher's Freddy makeup.

    by fustfick

    To me, Freddy looks the coolest in Part 2 - all swirly skinned and KY Jellied. And it was Part 2 when I first became aware of A Nightmare on Elm Street. I had just become a Boyscout when the movie opened and one of the older dudes in the Bat Patrol was just bursting with enthusiasm over this awesome movie and told us all the lurid details. It was a year later when I finally got to see it...back to back with Nightmare 1 on HBO. My best friend slept over that night and we watched both movies and then got dropped off at the theater the next day and watched Part 3. We were Freddy fans literally overnight. Man, those were good times.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Cool.

    by Warren

    Freddy is always awesome, and thanks for all the cool work you've been doing for the new batman movie, ya know getting all behind the scenes and shit.. Keep it up, cant wait to see the new spiderman villian....

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:02 p.m. CST

    The only thing that's not "on the nose" about "Cruising" is...

    by ufoclub1977

    The crazy brief wearing body builder guy in the interrogation scene.

  • Just curious.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:29 p.m. CST

    mr soze, CHOKE ON MY SHIT YOU FUCKING COCKROACH!!!

    by CreepyThinMan

  • What I find curious is goldentribe's point of view. Can we not find something strange in a subtext that is overt? Regardless of the times or films that came before it the fact that homosexuality was compared to mass murder is odd. Just because Hollywood was homophobic didn't make everyone prejudiced against gays. goldentribe has built a whole argument around an adjective and the fucking moron hasn't even seen the movie too. Good job retard.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Robert Englund has confirmed and disdcussed this in interviews.

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Saw this when I was 2 or 3

    by Tracer

    after that experience i have not now or ever again watch a Elm street movie. i am in my 20's now and still have nightmares don't know why i just said that people will now laugh but I feel better

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Oops...deja vu. Must've been a change in the Matrix.

    by Finch

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    it could also have been the first one I don't know

    by Tracer

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 12:46 a.m. CST

    toe jam me too, that is when I figured out what boners were...

    by gunnarcannibal

    ...than Freddy ruined it, the only time I was ever mad at the guy.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 12:49 a.m. CST

    uberman: try Wes Craven's New Nightmare

    by gunnarcannibal

    Only a bunch of people in their 30's and 50's get terrorized in that one...also a babysitter.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 1:04 a.m. CST

    I liked all the NIGHTMARES. Except the new one.

    by blackwood

    Wes and the keepers of the franchise never, ever stated outright that Freddy was a pedophile. That's gross and serious. Freddy was evil, but he was allowed to be ambiguously evil. Turning him into a child molester, explicitly, and then FAILING to do anything serious or compelling with it, like, say, having these kids dealing with repressed trauma and using Freddy as, I don't know, a manifestation of that trauma. NIGHTMARE series can do stuff like that -- there is a lot of unmined territory in the concept of a monster that haunts dreams. So many places you could go with it. But the new film has no imagination -- which every NIGHTMARE has had in spades -- and used an incredibly icky premise with as much grace as an ape smearing shit on the wall. Anyway. NIGHTMARE 2 is unfairly maligned, I think. Not as mean or clever as 3; not colourful camp like 4; not gothic folk tale, like 5; not 90's punk like DEAD or 90's meta like NEW. I like the franchise, and 2 is probably my least favourite, but I still find the homo stuff makes it interesting, and there is some choice gross. The brain scene freaked me out as a kid.

  • He doesn't get revenge (from the first movie) until part 3.

  • It's a soft word. In this context, "curious"did not imply groundbreaking, or inexplicable, or unique – it simply implied unusual. Now, you name-checked CRUISING as a precedent to the metaphor of homosexuality as murderer... but a single precedent does not render an idea as the norm.</p></p> Thus, Quint saying this metaphor is "curious" in a schlocky horror film is entirely reasonable, whether it be during the milieu of the film's release, or especially today, where Hollywood is a bastion of liberal values.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR4hVwDhbIg His voice reminds me a little of Daniel Plainsview(?) -- Daniel Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood. As far as I know we didn't have word until now whether he would be talking normally or doing a voice and/or accent of any kind. I don't think he sounds very authoritative or sinister in this clip but maybe they'll play around with it in post or dub in another version.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Freddy's Revenge

    by Xen11

    Most underrated of the series. It's fucking awesome in its dark tone. Isolated and creepy as fuck.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 6:01 a.m. CST

    freddy does indeed get revenge

    by Bouncy X

    its just more generalized. i mean the point of the whole franchise (at least until Part 4) is him getting revenge on the parents who killed him by taking away their kids. so even though he was getting revenge in the previous movie as well, "so and so's Revenge" was just a typical type of 80s sequel title. its no different than say Batman Returns, where he doesn't actually return from anywhere. its simply a title for the audience's sake.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 6:34 a.m. CST

    wait what Freddy was not a pedophile?

    by KilliK

    are you sure? i always had the impression that he was a pedophile.maybe not in the strict sense,but he did get satisfaction by killing kids. and if i remember correctly in part 5 or 6,there was a scene from his basement where he kept all those personal souvenirs and photos from the kids he killed.if this not a hint of pedophilia then what is?

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST

    NOES2 Gay? It never occurred to me.

    by FleshMachine

    though i was sucking a cock when i watched it so i may have missed the subtext.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Freddy's REvenge

    by lecter1914

    If it would not have been a Freddy film it would have been better received. But as is, it breaks from what we knew Freddy to be which was a monster that haunted kids IN their dreams to get revenge on their parents. In Freddy's revenge he was coming in and out of reality, Jessie wasn't an Elm Street kid, and everything just seemed random. As far as the homosexuality, it's subtext because it's never stated that Jessie is a homosexual. You kind of have to see it because all of the homosexual subtext is played against something else. Like in the very beginning when he's alone on the school bus looking scared to death and the only other people on the bus are two chicks as the bus seems to be rolling out of control. SUBTEXT! lol. And my favorite scene is when he's making out with his girlfriend and then his tongue goes all snakey when she tries to jump his bones and then he immediately runs to his underclothed jock of a best friend who is then ripped apart by Freddy as they are about to embrace.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Kilik

    by lecter1914

    It was never stated that Freddy was a pedophile. They always referred to him as a CHILD KILLER, not a child molester. I think this was done intentionally as to not be to obscene. That's actually one of the very few things I liked about the remake. They didn't shy away from that fact like the original.

  • According to Superhero Hype. I'm getting more and more interested in that movie. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that I think it's going to be great, but I'm definitely going to go see it, which is something I wouldn't have said a few months ago. I'm also getting more and more sold on Momoa in the role. If anything, he seems to have a legitimate passion for the character.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Wasn't Fright Night kind of anti gay?

    by fedalvar

    The main character being paranoid about this new couple of guys moving next door, convinced that they're some kind of monsters... maybe it's just me.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Sorry, not the movie itself...

    by fedalvar

    But the main character was anti gay... The movie was maybe a big social commentary on homophobia.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST

    so tomorrow's is from XANADU??

    by Tigger Tales

    i am there

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Down syndrome demolition derby!!!

    by Darth Macchio

    Hilarious!!! Thanks for the belly laugh!!!

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Funny how they thought that 'child killer'...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    Oh, Freddy didn't fiddle the kiddies; he just eviscerated them with his claws. He's not so bad...

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I am the latest victim of quotation marks....

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    Yes, as I was ATTEMPTING to say (thanks AICN, you piece of shit): it's funny how they thought that 'child killer' was somehow more palatable and socially acceptable than 'child molestor'. Says something about society's perceptions and values. Let's face it; they're both absolutely vile crimes.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    I liked it

    by proevad

    Only saw it once, but I remember being pleasantly surprised that it didn't suck. Can't say the same for the ones that followed it. Nice pic.

  • Homosexuality is...homosexuality. Characters are gay. I think the "curiosity" comes from; is Nightmare 2 some sort of homosexual allegory, and if so what exactly is it trying to say.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Just re-watched this.

    by NixEclips

    I haven't seen it since the VHS release in the 80's, cuz I remember being SO disappointed with it. But it's one of the darkest Elm Street flicks. Yes, the gay stuff is very obvious, but it stuck with the darkness that didn't come back until New Nightmare. (And maybe parts of Jason vs.... Dammit, Freddy vs. Jason. And that pinball BS was pretty stupid.)

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Nobody ever see "Windows"...

    by WatchtheWatchers

    ..which had a homicidal lesbian after Talia Shire? Probably a better comparison with Nightmare 2 to that than "Cruising".

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Oh, good fucking grief...

    by Immortal_Fish

    NOES2 is now anti-gay propaganda? Are you kidding me?! I must have seen that flick at least a dozen times and I never picked up on that possibility. Sure, there was the hardass coach, but that angle was played only to give the character a hypocritical dimension, not to gay-bash. Any film that features the hat trick of sexiness getting it on -- a pale, befreckled ginger like Kim Myers -- may make the case FOR heterosexuality, but that doesn't mean that it makes the case AGAINST it.

  • Aug. 9, 2011, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Goldentribe

    by SavageJuicebox

    Whether you're right or wrong doesn't even matter anymore. You made yourself a tedious motherfucker. Learn to know when to let go. bobo was being a fucktard as well. Both of you need to grow up a bit. My one break in not reading the talkbacks is now ended. I will neither see any responses to this post nor respond to any. Good fucking day.

  • Aug. 9, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    goldentribe

    by jake rodgers

    For someone who isn;t even 30 years old, you are a bitter, bitter person. Please know that there are other people in the world who do not share your opinions, and probably will never share them with you. Just know that it is their choice to not agree with you. That is all