Ain't It Cool News (
Movie News

See Batman And Bane Fighting On The Steps Of Gotham City Hall!

Nordling here.

Reader SleepySheep sent us this Pittsburgh news video link; unfortunately it's not embeddable so you'll have to go to the page to view the video.  But so far it's some of the clearest footage we've seen yet, of Batman and Bane in the midst of what appears to be a huge brawl between Gotham City cops and Bane's cronies (League of Shadow members perhaps?) on the steps of Gotham City Hall in the midst of a snowstorm.  The scale's pretty impressive, and with all that winter gear it's got to be stifling in those outfits in summer.

Click here for the video:

And here's the YouTube embed:

It's getting pretty difficult to avoid spoilers, although we're still not completely sure what the story is yet.  But it's unavoidable for footage like this, considering the size.  Judging from the amount of people, I'd say this was from the climax of the film, or close to it.

Nordling, out.

Readers Talkback
comments powered by Disqus
    + Expand All
  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST

    That's Bane?

    by Kevin

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:33 a.m. CST

    So who have they nominated for the chop in this one......

    by divebomb

    I'd be worried if I were Tom Hardy, we all know how the last one got such a return.......

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Who is the Bane stuntman?

    by JRcanReid


  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:34 a.m. CST

    It's either Bane...

    by Continentalop

    ...or a refuge from the Road Warrior.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Black Friday sales!

    by Polo Chavez

    I like how Batman pats Bane on the shoulder towards the end. "Let's get some coffee..."

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Too much hair!!!!!

    by Nabster

    Oh ops wrong thread. I mean Bane is TOO SMALL!!!!!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Wait until Nolan applies his "magic."

    by Subtitles_Off

    You won't be able to make out a single punch.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Stop tempting me with the spoilers!

    by Citizin_insane

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Hardy with his mask off...

    by Denty420

    ... looks like Matt Lucas. Just sayin'.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Quick ?

    by Dlgothv

    If you have an army of hired mercenaries armed to the teeth, why would you ensue a street brawl with fists and kicks? You have guns dammit! Fire into the goddamn crowd! Batman can't block all the bullets!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:52 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Looks like a cheesy dancing routine. Hope this works out in the actual story.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Call me a hater, tell me I don't know the context of this scene

    by Continentalop

    But so far everything I have seen from set has left me unimpressed. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe Nolan is starting to regret not using the Penguin?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Feeling too orchestrated

    by christpunchers2007

    That's one of my complaints about some of Nolan's work. This brawl doesn't feel natural. I know it's Batman and all but why would Bane need an army fighting with him? Hired goons? Bane doesn't look like much here. A bald light-weight wrestler who's somehow big enough of a threat to get Batman to personally punch him.

  • That's because we're not supposed to see any of the things we've seen of this movie thus far. It's like reading the first draft of a book--first drafts are godawful, no matter how great of a writer the author is. A first draft isn't supposed to impress anyone... it's supposed to suck... it's just about getting the story down, and then the real writing begins. Same with this movie... they're just getting everything down and then they work on giving us something to get excited about.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Never let light in on magic.

    by Octavian

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:59 a.m. CST


    by sapno_krei

    Wow, the daily (hourly?) leaks on this movie actually have me considering forcing myself to gloss over any story mentioning TDKR.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Needs more Bam! Thud! Kapow!

    by highfunctioningsociopath

    Holy midgets Batman, they're not really hitting each other at all!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Bitch, bitch, bitch...

    by Grrrr....

    ...moan, moan, moan.... All you lot can do.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:05 a.m. CST

    FUCK I AM H.. oh wait

    by KilliK

    this is Batman fighting Bane,not Catwoman riding a bike.OOPS.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST

    You can still can be hard, killik

    by Continentalop

    We won't judge. Well. maybe grrr will.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:08 a.m. CST

    The first-draft is supposed to suck?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Yeah, um, OK, sure. That was always Steinbeck's theory on writing: Just scribble a bunch of sucky crap on the page and fix it later. That's how you don't get to a second draft. Unless, of course, you're writing "genre" fiction, where quality doesn't matter as long as the vampire with the better abs kisses the girl some time I like the naivete behind 'we're not supposed to see any of the things we've seen.' Dude, that's a corporate-approved release to a television station, not some sneaky kid's shaky-palm-device score.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:08 a.m. CST

    IMAX or BUST

    by justmyluck

    I-must-not-click-vid-link ... must-remain-pure.....

  • what the fuck is this shit? didnt Nolan put the guy on steroids? or are they going to cgi-buff him? i am very disappointed with Bane,he doesnt have the imposing,physical appearance and stature i thought he would have. anyway.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST

    'Roided up Right Said Fred

    by Mad-Maximus

    Can't help thinking that Tom Hardy's Bane looks like Right Said Fred on steroids. Maybe Nolan comes out with a music video w/ Bane singing "I'm too sexy for my Batman, my Batman".

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Looks Like A Punk Rock Concert

    by PoppaRotzi

    ...or perhaps Justin Bieber.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Comparing the marketing for DK to this...

    by PotSmokinAlien

    What the hell happened? Did they slash the marketing budget because they felt like, at the end of the day, all the viral horseshit for DK didn't really make them any money? If so, I wouldn't be surprised if dollars-wise that was basically true, but the workhorse approach to the viral marketing of this movie is making it feel extraordinarily underwhelming. Speaking for myself, I didn't participate in any of those viral campaigns for DK, but I still went into that movie more psyched to finally be seeing it than any movie I can remember before or after it. Literally. And I think the mystery that the viral campaign helped create had at least something to do with it. With every behind-the-scenes-y, making-of-esque shot and video from DKR, my interest wanes. No mystery. No mystique. Just some dudes making a movie that has a lot of brown in it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:17 a.m. CST


    by Continentalop

    I will say I am not too worried about how big Bane looks right now. Neither Sly Stallone nor Mr. T were giants in real life, but in Rocky III they both looked like 6'3" Heavyweights. <p> I am more worried about his costume. Why is he wearing a muzzle? Does he have an eating disorder?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Nolan cannot direct action

    by Nabster

    This will be a muddled choppy mess, so I guess it doesn't matter it looks like crap. And is it such a hard thing to get a bigger dude for bane?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST


    by Continentalop

    I thought the chase scene in TDk was a pretty good action scene. But if you mean fights scenes, yeah, so far the Batman series hasn't impressed me in that department.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Muzzle, explained.

    by Subtitles_Off

    A muzzle is more 'realistical' than a luchador mask and a tube. It's what a bodybuilder sex-fetishist would wear in the 'more grounded and believable universe The Genius has created.' You're welcome, buddy.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:30 a.m. CST

    The Bald Midgets finally have their cinematic representation!

    by JackPumpkinhead

    If that's the look of "Bane" that Grittygrimrealisticdarkblablablabla15yearoldsthinkitscool Nolan wanted, why not cast Tom Cruise? <p><p> By the way, with such giant crowds of whoever-the-hell-they-all-are (Nolan's family hired as catering and extras?) apparently all "needed" for a single scene, it's little wonder these movies come with 100-million budgets attached.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:35 a.m. CST

    He whitewashed would have been salt in the wound

    by KilliK

    if he had him wearing the luchador. Nolan's Joker was based on Alex from Clockwork Orange,so i guess this time his Bane will be based on Hannibal Lecter but in a more buffed version. coincidence? both characters were played by british actors,Bane is played by a british actor,Batman by a Welsh,Joker by an Australian,Ras Al Ghul was also whitewashed and played by an Irish, and the director/writer is british. how on Earth ,Nolan has escaped Spike Lee's attention thus far is beyond me. heh.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Why not cast Tom Cruise?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Katie Holmes wouldn't let him. Girl is still PISSED for that one. She married the guy to help him cover his sexuality, agreed to make a couple of babies under scientific conditions, even agreed to drink some of the church kool-aid, and he repays her by keeping her away from Bale, Ekhart and Ledger, any one of whom could've rescued her from her dead-eyed life of cock-tailing with the Beckhams.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Batman Shivs!

    by veteran_of_mu

    A huge crowd of people all carrying automatic weapons and they'd rather have a fistfight than shoot 'em? The first movie sucks. Then Heath Ledger happens. Then the third movie sucks. End of the line. Tell you what, I'm going to write you a batman story right here. It's called, Death of Stupid Batman. Here's how it goes: It was a dark and stormy night. Batman was in his batcave when Alfred called him on his batphone. Master Bruce, said Alfred. Not now, Alfred, I'm planning a new assault on evil, said Batman. Master Bruce, I'm afraid this won't wait. You see, I resign. Batman sat bolt upright. Alfred, he said, old man you are the dearest person in the world to me. Clearly I've been neglecting you. Why don't you come down here and talk it over? No, said Alfred, I'm afraid my mind is quite made up. You see, Master Bruce, I have finally realised that you are a vain, stupid, and self-centred little man. You're not fighting crime with what you do. You're causing it. Alfred, you've got it all wrong. Sure, they're afraid of me, but criminals are a superstitious lot. When I became a bat - No, no, no, Master Bruce, you're not getting it. You're not a bat. You're a rich man. You buy politicians and you fix elections. You are a source of corruption. No matter what you do on street corners at night, in the day time you create the very conditions you pretend to abhor. In fact you are nothing but a hypocrite in tights. Alfred, said Batman, I can't believe my ears. You know my parents were killed by - By a gunman, said Alfred. Yes, Master Bruce, they were. And you think that makes your pain worse than the pain of millions of parents watching their children go hungry. if I were any sort of man myself I'd have put a stop to you years ago. When I think of the time I've wasted in your service I feel nothing but shame and regret. Alfred, said Batman, if you need a raise I'm sure I can work something out with the accountant - Master Bruce, let me put this in small words. I am not a young man any more. I have no relatives and few friends. The one thing I really have in my life is you. And you're broken. Without me, you'll soon be found out and exposed for what you are - a bloody fool who beats up people for being poor and desperate. No, said Batman, there's an evil in this city, a palpable insidious thing. I can sense it on the streets, feel it growing - Master Bruce, said Alfred, the evil in this city is the evil in this culture - the evil of wealth. Like the rest of the 1%, you pay no taxes. The Wayne Foundation is just a front for your Bat-hobby. If you really want to fight evil, go after the corporations, not the muggers. Take them over and distribute their ownership to the people. Forget soup kitchens - given them shares in the banks. Then they'll become wealthy and independent like you, Master Bruce. Someone has to do the work, said Batman, someone has to service the machines and stoke the boilers. Someone has to - Alfred sighed loudly. Master Bruce, he said, this is not the nineteenth century. Robots do all of that. And that's why the people are poor now - they aren't needed to do the work. So give them all a shareholding in the robot factories and let them all develop themselves. Wealthy people have fewer children - so the population will soon stabilise and gentrify. And then, Master Bruce, no one need be called a Master any more, and no one need mug them to get enough to eat. And with that Alfred turned on his heel and left Batman's employ forever. Batman tracked his movements for a few months. Alfred moved to Australia and lived in a caravan on a beach in Queensland. He struck up an unremarkable relationship with the lady who ran the post office there. Soon Bruce grew bored. He no longer had the heart to put on the bat-suit any more. The more he reflected on what Alfred had said, the more he thought it was time to change ...

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:42 a.m. CST

    At this rate, by the time this movie is released...

    by drompter

    I'd have seen it already. Other than the movie's trailer, I won't click on any Batman related article.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:46 a.m. CST

    That isn't Bane. That's just the decoy calling himself Bane.

    by Subtitles_Off

    In the third act, that dude rips off his ball-gag and declares, 'I'm Ubu.' Then, Batman punches him but runs away like kind of a pussy mumbling shit about how he could've saved him but he wouldn't kill him cause he wasn't the hero the city deserved, who would'a killed him, but he's the hero the city needs, who wouldn't --- that's the difference, and the cat-burglar-hooker-with-a-heart-of-gold bends down to pick up a pair of ripped-off bat ears. She puts them on her head and purrs. Story by Goyer. Dialogue by The Little Brother. Out-of-bounds hype by The Cult of Nolan. (So what if it sucked? I was first-drafting it!)

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Bane won't be the biggest issue

    by christpunchers2007

    The problem will be Hathaway. I really don't jive that overrated those saucer eyes and that big mouth with megasized gummy teeth "award winning actress". Individually good features, like premium pieces of jigsaws, but together the puzzle doesn't work. If there is one bet on who will underwhelm in this next film, I'd put my money on Anne. She's groomed to be the next Julia Roberts. Yet she have any acting abilities. Okay, Roberts is pretty fugly in reality but at least she looks real, believable. Nolan should have taken Charlize Theron (see: Monster) or somebody else who comes off as classy/sophisticated and not a 20 something ex-Princess Diaries/Devil Wears Prada hype machine.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Nice, caractacus! Needs more 'tangerines,' though.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Screw Goyer. And yes, Begins in retrospect is at best a 7/10. Almost no replay value. Boring done by the numbers sort of deal made for 15 year olds.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    You've nailed it. Sometimes the Bruce Wayne melodrama needs to be ignored. You're right, TDK would have been NOTHING without Heath. Seriously, pretty much all the non-Joker scenes were either just equal to what she saw in BB or below that level. And Begins wasn't even that good to begin with. No punt intended.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST

    A 7? Puncher, you generous, generous soul, you!

    by Subtitles_Off

    At best, BEGINS's a three and a half. Four, tops. Out of ten.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST

    And yeah

    by christpunchers2007

    A hundred dudes with guns and not one of them takes a shot... maybe this cut only lasts a minute before somebody does but if the final movie has a stupid 5 minute fight scene infront of cityhall without so much as a pistol going off it's just not gonna work.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST

    A football stadium fight? Really?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Good Jeebie Heebies! This whole thing is going to be one, long sports metaphor by way of UFC, innint it?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:58 a.m. CST

    here's a theory

    by irc-Hollywood

    this is from the start of the movie/flashback where Batman throws bane in prison? He comes back years later buffed up?

  • I am curious if they will do a "Catwoman Begins" thing with her or not.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST

    @caractacuspotts you just described the main

    by KilliK

    reason why the super-heroes idea is ridiculous. 500 issues later and Superman,despite his godlike powers,has done zip for the hunger problem on least he has defeated a crazy,bald guy for the millionth time.yeah.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I'm going to pass on these leaks from now on.

    by blackwood

    They aren't doing anything for me, except maybe leaving me with less interest than I had going in. It's just... dull. Weightless stage fighting with fake flakes. This is like watching the DVD extra features before the movie -- I don't want to see HOW it's done before I see WHAT was done. Production should go a bit darker than they have been. This film risks overexposure. I know there's a certain amount of unavoidable press, because these things are happening outside in the real world, so people will sneak vids and disseminate photos and do all the many things fans can these days to run a movie into the ground before it's taken off, but... they don't need studio help. Apropos of nothing, I would like to see Chris Nolan do TRON next. I feel like he would make a kick ass TRON movie.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Depends on my mood I guess. When I first saw it, like perhaps many people, the "fresh" take of Nolan's was really attractive. But yeah, honestly, Begins doesn't have that much going for it. I don't really give two shits about the new visuals like the Tumbler (which I don't hate, I'm just indifferent) when the story is as bland as fuck and the performances from every single actor ranged from mediocore to bad. Bale was just Bale in stuntman mode acting all serious (but not in a complex way like Patrick Bateman, Wayne is generally much more simple). Gordon Oldman didn't get to show off any of his chops. Sober acting is required but I never got any drift that the guy is going to be comissioner. He's not smart, doesn't have Wayne's resources and doesn't really do much other than being another straight arrow. That Murphy dude playing Scarecrow did nothing. I seriously do not remember anything he did in that movie. He's simply there and that's it. In fact, his brief scene in the parking lot in TDK was so much more solid, concise and effective than the sum of all the shit that he did in Begins. And I don't even have to explain Katie Holmes. As a weak actress as she is, I can't blame her for Begins. Rachel Dawes once again just shows that Nolan is not the crafty revolutionary God that everyone makes him out to be. He puts in a romantic interest in a movie that didn't require one. Why? Because he might feel that he's obliged to? I thought the guy was different? Why bother adding Dawes in? Neeson wasn't anything amazing. Caine isn't the right guy to play Alfred; the guy is now more about cracking jokes than to be the living father figure to Wayne. And I just don't buy Michael Caine out of all people to play a butler, the guy's got too much of a poshed up life in his already long career to play a butler role. Again, TDK = Joker. Take out the Joker, and you've left with nothing. BTW, as far as I know, Nolan had a somewhat different vision for Joker. If it wasn't for Heath doing his own thing, I think Nolan would have made the character weaker. For one thing, TDK's Joker's hair was Heath's idea, I heard that originally Nolan wanted a combed over hairjob like Bale's and the rest of the cast. It really makes me realize that Nolan did not make the Joker, Heath did. Nolan was just smart enough to have picked out the right actor.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    'Lop, um, don't waste your curiosity. You know what that does to cats.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Of course they're doing a Catwoman Begins. It's sub-plot #3, a notch above Gordon Suffers (#4) and two notches above Ra's Returns (#5). Poor Alfred is relegated to Wayne Manor Rebuilt (#7), because Lucius Fox has been upgraded to Magic (#6). I don't think Scarecrow even makes the Top Ten, but maybe they're holding something back. Catwoman-in-Name-Only. That's what they do.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:13 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Batman will never truly go after the "real evils" of the world. Why? Because of course he's a superhero, so he has fight super badguys. But more than that, it's because he's an American creation. Can't imagine him turning against government or cooperation or the powers that be. Such complexities are not allowed, it has to be good vs evil, Batman doing his thing but too much of an idealist to exact judgement. Let the fat cops do their jobs instead of chowing down on Donuts if you're not decisive enough to execute your enemies. That has me thinking that Batman is actually a really stupid and useless hero. He literally does nothing but create more problems while selfishly justice his lifestyle by lying to himself that he's doing something for the world.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Puchers, I always have sort of suspected your Joker theory, too.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Remember, Nolan famously said he never wanted to do a Joker-centric film. And the whole two ferries thing screams Two Face. I think Joker got shoe-horned in around the first-draft ('suck stage,' if you will) and then, as The Joker is wont to do, took over the whole thing. Of course, I have no direct knowledge and/or proof. I'm also not quite as taken as most were by Ledger's Joker as Kurt-Cobain-after-a-night-in-Courtney's-makeup-kit. No one but me will ever say it, but I really think the dude's channeling Nicholson without the charm. The Cult is gonna skewer me, now, but I don't care. On that ten point scale of yours, TDK is a six.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Sorry. 'Punchers'

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:18 a.m. CST


    by Continentalop

    Will "Catwoman Begins" be just a flip side of "Batman Begins". or well it follow the same evolutionary path that Catwoman followed in the Golden Age by going from simple, regularly dressed crook by the name of the The Cat, to masked thief named The Cat-Woman, to fully costumed arch-criminal with cat themed weapons called Catwoman? <p> One of the reasons I think TDK was such a vast improvement over BB is because they based the Joker and his "arc" on his first appearance in Batman #1. I am intrigued if Nolan will do the same thing with Catwoman.

  • Batman is about single-minded obsessiveness in a very specific setting. It's psycho-drama. Not big, broad super-doopering. It's about damaged identities. Or, in The Genius' hands, it's about a lot of mumbly nonsensical pseudo-psycho-babble. Navel-gazing with body armor.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Well, at least we get to see Ben Rothlisburger blown up in this.

    by whatevillurks

    Cant beleive all of these leaks. The Dark Knight seemed to be a mystery up to release day.

  • Sure, they'll play lip-service to it, but I think they're skipping straight to the sometime-ally-of-the-hero angle, pretty much right off. There are already too many characters in this thing for any one to really get any kind of genuine, involved attention. They have to wrap up the whole 'am I gonna be Batman or not,' primarily.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Stephen Norrington

    by MorganLeafy

    Nolan should have asked him for help on the action scenes. Oh, and hopefully this time he will forsake the idea of using ethics course material for undergraduates as a finale.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Catwoman's only in this so we can have some girl-on-girl.

    by Subtitles_Off

    How's THAT for brilliant originality, Cult of Nolan? Oh, and, yeah, she's there so there's a character in this that people who don't live in comic book stores have heard of. Um, same reason you-know-who was in the last one.

  • Or need I remind you about the Batman Inc, the Time Vagina, and him shooting Darksied.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Lots of professionals in that shot

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Suspicion is. Suspicions are. I know grammar.

    by Subtitles_Off

    She made babies with grampa, and that's how I ended up here.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Brilliant. They need your type of humor and insights for these films. Those subplots really suck ass. TDK had so many of them too. Bullet-regeneration-fingerprinting bullshit. Hey, Batman can afford to play CSI, not because he's smart, but because he's rich! Clever Bruce Wayne going to some random apartment in broad daylight filled with tied up cops that nobody else seems to even notice are missing. Dawes and Harvey's relationship (another way to forcefully ensemble every character in a movie with already too many characters, just to have them be related, to artificially elevate the cast). 3D Bat Vision? God-Honest-Old-Black-Guy aka Morgan I'm-as-righteous-as-God Freeman being a goodly two shoe wise cracking then being uptight about using people's cellphones in times of great danger. Michael Caine being paid X millions with only 10 lines of dialogs and some moral story about oranges and Berma. And let's not forget the Gordon-Faking-Death subplot. To this day, I still can't get my head around what that subplot establishes. That Gordon is daring? Brave? Clever? Better than other cops? Or is it just a contrived POS used to make his character look bigger than necessary JUST BECAUSE he's Gordon?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Oh you might be right Subs,

    by Continentalop

    But it is the possibility that they might do the first appearance of Catwoman based on how she first appeared in the Golden Age that has me curious. My interest could easily disappear when I hear more.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:33 a.m. CST

    You don't need to remind me, 'Lop.

    by Subtitles_Off

    You just take pleasure in poking the grizzly. How about all that? DC decides it's time to re-invigorate all their titles except for the one that has been fucked up beyond recognition. And Batgirl's got her legs back? Comic books are over. Thank Gawd we still have all those great, pulpy memories, right?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Yes, bobo. Not one got in his sight-line.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Girl on Girl action

    by christpunchers2007

    Ha, now that you mentioned it. It doesn't give this final film much hope. Catwoman will not be fully developed, Anne will be Anne but with a lame costume, and like you said, she's only there to fight with the mystical daughter of another mystical dude in Nolan's "Hyperealism" realm.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Its Schumacher all over again

    by The_Maxx


  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:41 a.m. CST

    re guns: It's only one fricken shot...

    by Dromosus

    ...of Batman punching Bane in the face. Everything else is ambience and won't amount to anything more than some shuffly chaos in the background. Of course they're not using guns, extras aren't going to happily set off guns if all that's required is some background movement as two principles duke it out. Guns will be handled in separate shots as are the needs of budget and safety procedure. As for Bane, we've seen nothing of Hardy's actual acting in the role, which is probably quite important seeing as Nolan's hired an actor and not a professional wrestler. Anyone that's seen Bronson knows that Hardy can do scary/intimidating/intense.

  • The Genius is nothing without his twists and gimmicks. Remember that when Liam shows up. He won't be dripping in green goo, probably, but I guaran-effin-tee, he'll be there.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Gorodn? Really?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Jebus. Fucking fingers!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Anyone that's seen BRONSON...

    by Subtitles_Off

    ...has damaged eyes. I know I do, from scrubbing soap in them after watching that over-rated craptacular.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST

    @christpunchers2007 Batman is no goddamn superhero

    by KilliK

    Superman is,since the dude has,you know,friggin superpowers. Batman is an insanely rich guy,who also is trained as a ninja and goes out in the night to fight crime dressed as a bat. he is also a pedo if we count in his underage sidekick. The irony is that his Marvel counterpart,Tony Stark,does have super-powers even though they are artificial.Batman doesnt have shit.He is good at punching street thugs but nothing more than that.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Cops fistfighting guys with machine guns?

    by Autodidact

    I really hope that was just for rehearsal.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    I'm still pretty confused about Gordon's "death". Did he know that Joker planned to assassinate him and/or others in his ranks? If so, did he ALLOW Joker's crew to be at the funeral (thus risking getting a bullet to the brains like JFK and even other people to be shot as well?)? Or was it that AFTER he got shot and being armored enough to not die, he choose to hide and lure Joker out rather than return with the headlines "hero cop survives"? I mean, the whole point is to show that Gordon's got tricks up his sleeves but exactly how far did he plan ahead? Did even Batman know it was Gordon in the SWAT van? None of this was really made clear to me. I felt like the middle section of TDK was really muddled after the bullet sequence and was just there simply to satisfy certain angles and action/visual requirements.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Why does size of crowd = climax?

    by Autodidact

    That makes no sense at all.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    killik. Batman is self-made. That's sorta heroic.

    by Subtitles_Off

    "Bruce Wayne" could've just taken his inheritance, bought a blonde with fake boobs, and run off to make a reality TV show, or something. The true Marvel counterpart would be Daredevil, obviously, except, since it's Marvel, even "Matt Murdock" has to have some dipshit super-power. From science!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST

    RoboCop Bat´s Costume looks pretty good!

    by Ditko

    Keep the cheese coming!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST

    It's not size of crowd = climax.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's the ease with which Batman is beating up the Big Bad that suggests climax. Plus the fact that there seem to be a lot of people fighting at Bat's side. This scene is obviously (I should say, for the sake of argument, 'apparently') after all the deserve-needs-wants bullshit has been resolved. This, my friends, is part of the big finale. It's all been leading up to this. Ta-DAH! Are you underwhelmed YET?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Look, ditko. He really CAN move his arms.

    by Subtitles_Off

    As long as he's moving in one direction. Hope none of those Al-ghoulies have learned about lateral movement in ninja school.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Actually Subs I see Batman's Marvel counterpart

    by Continentalop

    is Punisher. I actually think Punisher would be a better DC character than Marvel too, because he could interact with Batman. Batman is all about how his personal tragedy gave his life purpose and motivated him to become the best crime-fighter humanly possible. The Punisher is about the toughest marine who's personal tragedy robbed him of his reasons to live an survive through war.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:01 a.m. CST


    by Ditko

    Naaaah, it´s Nolan, so it´s "grounded in reality", so the guy with the bat ears will come up with some way around it!

  • Except, Punisher doesn't have the rogues gallery of whackos who are all twisted reflections of the hero. That's a key component in the psycho-drama. And, Punisher is all about wallowing in his damage. Punisher is all wish-fulfillment revenge fantasy. Batman is, when written properly, about recognizing one's damage and rising above it. "Bruce Wayne's" motivated. "Frank Castle's" just a big prick.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Actually the real problem with Gordon's fake death

    by KilliK

    is how the fuck Joker,the guy who doesnt believe in plans, knew from the start that the whole thing was a trap for him and he came fully prepared for it.? From having already planned the kidnapping of Dent and his chick and putting them in two faraway warehouses full of explosives in order to use them as a moral challenge for Batman,to planting a bomb inside the fatso's stomach in order to use it as a way to escape . the fatso who ,coincidently, started feeling the stomach pain in the police station,AFTER the whole car chase,capture of Joker and his interrogation by bats sequences.what the fuck? How the fuck Joker knew even the slightest details of the upcoming events? how did he know that Batman was going to be in the police station so that he could play his game of morality with him? did he know that Gordon was friend with Batman and that the cops didnt have any problem brining him in the police station? wtf?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    ditko figured out the whole quotations thingy!

    by Subtitles_Off

    Good on ya!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Wow so much negativity in this thread

    by Rebel Scumb

    I'll admit I'm skeptical if the third film will deliver, mainly because of hathaway and the lame lazy title But Hardy's size??? Really? People are worried about that?? Disguising how short leading men are in real life is the number one best 'in camera' trick that every movie pulls off. Stallone is the same height as Elijah Wood in real life. And I say that as someone who is 6'1 and met him briefly at a movie theatre a few years ago, it is VERY surreal to tower over Rocky/Rambo Antonio Banderas is short to, but from watching Desperado you'd think he was 10 feet tall Tom Cruise & Kiefer Sutherland are also quite short, but always come off looking 6ft+ in their action roles. And since Bane's physique in the comics would be impossible to capture in real life as it defies all possible human anatomy then lets rule that out They could hire a wrestler but then the performance will suck. Personally I'd rather see fiendishly clever Bane, who is physically a match for batman, instead of a behemoth that can't act. And I can't believe all the hate Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are getting on here. If you didn't like those movies why are you even bothering with the third one??? I'm not saying they're completely devoid of flaws, but they are damn good Summer movies. I really seems like a lot of people on here hate EVERY movie at times.

  • Everybody knows, no cop can resist a donut. Even one covered in Joker's pocket-fuzz.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Criticism isn't hate.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's called film debate. There isn't one side that's correct because it's the side with all the sunshine, roses, and enthusiasm. Nolan's over-rated Batman movies are finally getting the kind of balanced attention that comes from people actually watching the films and thinking about them, as opposed to just experiencing them passively. The criticism is in direct proportion to the hype. Deal with it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    @rebel scumb i am sorry but i never considered

    by KilliK

    Sly a huge,buffed guy.He only had a very fit body and nothing else. Arnold on the other hand was a pro bodybuilder,so even if he is short,he does have the muscular mass to compensate for that. Seagal on the other hand,has his fat nowadays.HA. And since you mentioned Banderas,the guy must be a midget.I watched Assassins yesterday and he was standing next to Sly who is known to be short,and he was shorter !! but the lucky bastard bangs Griffith so the last joke is on me.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    subtitles off

    by Mike

    But if you're trying to think about every technique of the craft *as you write* you'll tense up. You won't write, as Brenda Ueland puts it "freely and rollickingly." You'll feel like throwin gyour pages in the Dumpster. So what I want you to be able to do is *feel* your writing. When you sit down for a writing stint, don't think about technique. Just write. Let it flow. Later, you'll come back to it and revise.

  • Two tickets for TDKR plz!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Banderas might have been standing in a hole.

    by Subtitles_Off

    That's in Stallone's every contract. Clause #1: Every actor, but especially ones that can act, who share Mr. Stallone's space in any shot lasting more than one second shall be placed in a pit so that their height does not exceed the relative height of Mr. Stallone's cheek-bone. Why else do you think Rob Schneider got the gig as his sidekick in that DREDD thing? His ability to emote?

  • My bad. I'm keeding. I understand how first-drafts work. I'm just pretty certain some writers are trying not 'to suck because that's what first drafts are for.'

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST

    How did Joker know details of upcoming events?

    by tomandshell

    The female cop was a mole.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Criticism isn't hate

    by Tenacious C

    But at this point in production it is stupid! Deal with it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    tenacious. I rarely buy tickets for movies.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'm really, really, really lucky like that. But, I promise. I'll pay for whatever artsy indie opens up the same weekend and sneak into RISES. This accomplishes three things. Satisfies me that I've seen the latest film of my favorite character, just in case it doesn't suck. Allows me to say whatever I want about the relative quality of said latest film, having seen it. Ensures my money, as long as it is going to crap, goes to the crap I want it to go to instead of the crap that already is getting plenty of other fools' money.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Cool story bro

    by Tenacious C

  • Them's the risks when you purposefully leak your shit to generate your precious buzz. tenacious, it seems you have a problem with what people say and when they can say it. Of the two of us --- you and I --- I think only you are wasting your time. Feel free to disagree. And deal.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST


    by Tenacious C

  • I will either release this criminal, SCARECROW, who is responsible for dozens of murders across Gotham City... Or, I can release BATMAN, the self proclaimed 'Dark Knight!'

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I don't care about the hype though. Only my own enjoyment of the movie. I'm all for criticism and debate, but I just don't see the point of expending this much energy on a franchise you consider to be such a failure. I didn't like the first transformers or the first pirates, so I didn't bother with the sequels. Both movies are super hyped up, have large fanbases and made ridiculous amounts of money. If someone asks me what I thought of them I'll give an honest and cutting opinion of what (in my opinion) are the problems with those movies. But I won't continue to go see each subsequent sequel (and I haven't) nor persist in complaining about them years and years later. I'm not of the 'Nolan can do no wrong' 'Nolan is god' 'in Nolan we trust' 'Nolan is the undisputed king of cinema' ilk, but I have liked all of his films, and for my moneys worth, I'm hard pressed to think of what more I could ask for in a Summer popcorn movie than what his 2 batman films have provided me. Balanced criticism is fine, but at a certain point it's just flogging a dead horse, and I see so few examples of people mentioning films/shows on here that they actually liked! I agree there isn't much good stuff in the cinemas anymore, but personally if I didn't like the Nolan take on Batman, I would just wait until he exits and they reboot it and hope I like the next version better. I'm sure that's what people who didn't like the Raimi spidermans are doing. Personally I liked Raimi's take, and I feel fairly indifferent about it starting up again from scratch so soon. But at this point, the Nolan batmans are what they are. If you didn't like the first 2, than part 3 will be at best, more of the same, in which case you won't like it, and other people will. or it will be a dissappointment even to those of who did like the first 2. Regardless, it's just a waste of time and money at this point for you.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I've often wondered if Jon Hamm and all the Mad men... men are shorter than they appear If you watch Cristina Hendrick's 2 appearances on firefly, Nathan Fillion and the other men all seem to be towering over her, she's definitely curvy but seems short. Than you watch Mad Men and she's this statuesque woman wo is almost the same height as all of the guys.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    first draft suckage

    by Rebel Scumb

    I tend to agree. It's a lot easier to fix an exist script/novel no matter how bad, than it is to put pen to paper or keys to fingers from scratch Whenever I write my biggest problem is resisting the temptation to edit as I go. Rereading that first draft before it's finished is also a death knell. You see how crappy it is and you get discouraged. But it's best to write free form stream of conscioussness for that first draft. Get the basic ideas down, get the page count up. Then once it's done, go through it, read it objectively, fix everything you can with a fine tooth comb re-read that version, make any other tweaks that jump out. Than give it over to others to read, people who will give objecitve criticism and feedback. Make a ton of notes based on their feedback, and go in again for another draft. By now, if the idea was ever good to begin with, and you're worth any salt as a writer, it should be starting to take shape as something pretty solid. I'm sure there have been writers in history who can produce masterpieces in a first draft. But probably not many of them. And maybe some people do prefer to edit as they go, do all of their drafts at once. I've just never met any writers who did.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Look where the camera is

    by NoArrow

    The shot's gonna be following Batman from behind as he punches Bane UP the stairs, through a violent crowd. It's gonna look badass.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    @tomandshell she knew that Gordon was alive

    by KilliK

    and that the whole situation with Dent was a setup? funny because in the start of the movie,both Dent and Gordon acknowledge that the police department is corrupted and you cant trust anyone. but they reveal their big plan to capture that evasive,uber,psycho killer to a beat cop? in a movie about realism? but we dont even know if that is the case,because there is no hint in the movie that the female cop knew about this plan apart from the fact that he helped the goons to kidnap Dent and his chick. and another thing,she also knew that Gordon was pals with Batman? did she also know that he had beer and cheat on his wife?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    It's pretty common for leading men under 6ft to stand on boxes...

    by Rebel Scumb

    In two shots and what not to boost their height. Especially opposite their leading ladies. I know even Ewan Mcgregor mentioned that he stood on a box the majority of scenes he shared with Liam Neeson in The Phantom menace (aside from wide shots of course) just due to their substancial height differences.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    That's all fair and wise, rebel. But...

    by Subtitles_Off

    you are you. You aren't anybody else. You don't get to judge when or how anybody else wastes or might waste their time. Right? If a person's favorite character were Spider-man, it's likely they'd have an interest in every film adaptation of Spider-man. They needn't pre-censor their opinion on the Sam Raimi or Marc Webb (is it?) version to satisfy the whims of The Cool Kids On The Internet. Nolan's movies are made for the public. The WHOLE public. That makes them fair game. You might say, Nolan has grounded Batman in reality. I might say, that's nonsense. Reality doesn't have any room for "Tumblers" that can navigate rickety church roofs, um, for starters. I'm unlikely to change your opinion, as you are unlikely to change mine. I don't really think that's our intention, either of us, in the first place. What you see as 'negativity,' I might see as valid. What I see as 'valid,' you might see as negativity. It's called conversation.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST

    @subtitles_off and dont forget Kevin Pollack

    by KilliK

    in A Few Good Men,as Tom Cruise's closet er closest pal. it always bugged me his casting in that movie,but finally it occurred to me after understanding better how HW works ,that it was all about his height.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I can't remember exactly, but I think it was explained at some point that she was on Maroni's payroll, and since the joker worked for/with maroni he was privy to this But I do agree there are a ton of things about the dark knight's plot that under scrutiny do not make sense, especially regarding the Joker's plan. I just found the movie enjoyable enough that those were never an issue for me. I mean it's like the original starwars. Why do the rebels have to fly down that long trench to the exhaust port, especially since the torpedos have to arc down at 90 degrees to go in. Why not just fly straight at the hole from above and shoot them in that way? Or enter the trench a lot closer to the target? But star wars had my attention so strongly by then that I didn't care. And there are plenty of movies where I would complain about the same plot holes, but it comes down to whether the film has earned my suspension of disbelief by that point. Has the acting/directing/music/action/humour all effectively engaged me enough to overlook the logic defying moments in the film. It isn't quantifiable, and its subjective, and 2 people could watch the same thing and have 2 completely different expirences with it. But for my money (and time) this has been a great franchise so far. If they can pull off a solid 3rd film, well that is yet to be seen. Some of what has been sneaked seems very promising, other stuff not so much.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Could you knock off the spoilers in the headings?

    by Jack Burton

    I'm not following every tidbit of news about TDKR because I don't want to know. I should be able to look at the front page of AICN without reading spoilers, no matter how trivial it may seem.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST

    OK. New footage up there reveals the true reason for the muzzle.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It disguises the stunt man. That isn't Tom Hardy. Dollar to a Joker-donut that isn't Bale either.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST

    hercvault_double_exclamation_point is right...

    by ZoeFan

    I understand those who aren't trolls who've said this movie looks to suck in a major way, but..... Context Matters. Wait to see the film before laying judgement. A single scene or picture for a 2+ hour movie isn't a fair way to judge it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    i don't read anybody judging the whole picture.

    by Subtitles_Off

    They're saying what they've been shown is kinda dumb looking. And, they're saying they have discovered the obvious flaws in the previous movies, as seen through their eyes. I haven't seen anyone saying anything unsubstantiated, except for those who are insisting the movie is going to be great. Just like the others, whose point-of-view they automatically dismiss, these people haven't seen the finished product either. But they have the right to the floor? Because they're enthusiastic, optimistic, hopeful? What? Gimme a break.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST

    fair enough subtitles

    by Rebel Scumb

    And if you have a long vest attachment to batman then that is perfectly valid. I guess as I get older I just feel less and less interested giving chances to things that are unlikely to impress me. I guess I'm just surprised by how many people seem to really dislike these films. And you're right, they are fair targets. I personally don't think of them so much as being about 'realism' as I do about them being more tangible/tactile. As you pointed out the tumbler is not 'realistic', but I do enjoy the effort they've made to ground these things in a physical world. Minimal cgi and sets. Primarily location shoots in the 2nd film. Big incamera stunts, a solid, weighted feel to everything, a good sense of scale and scope. (I personally think) solid directing. Admitted that is just my personal tastes, I always prefer my batman stories to not be too scifi/outlandish. I tend to think that batman works best when the strangest thing in Gotham city is Batman himself. I don't care for stories about clay face or poison ivy or robots or manbats or aliens. I basically see it as a film noir with Batman in it, and a few psycho villians like joker/twoface/scarcrow to spice things up. Actually personally, I would have prefered Begins was just batman taking down falcone. I would have been content to just have it end with him defeating him at the docks (in a bigger battle if that was the climax) and save all the scarcrow & return of Ras stuff for film 3. The escalation/Joker stuff would have had even more impact that way in film 2. But for what it is I enjoyed it. And Begins had the enormous burden of saving the franchise from the horrible way Schumacher had left things off.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST

    i do agree with you their subtitles...

    by Rebel Scumb

    I usually rely on for my movie news more than aicn as they tend to have it quicker, more concise, no musings about harry's childhood, and you know minor stuff like proper grammer and actual jouralism But if scan the talkbacks there, it's a lot of (what I assume to be teenagers) saying things like 'hells yeah, this will be the greatest film of all time, Nolan is god' type comments and I don't like that either.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:16 a.m. CST

    @rebel. Good on ya! Well done.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Speaking only for myself, with no need to back my shit up, the Nolan movies have been a huge disappointment for me. Truth be told, you and I aren't at all far apart in our Batman preferences. I, too, prefer the mystery / detective / noirish elements. I see all those things as being mostly absent from the Nolan series, as well as any hint, at all, of some of the fun and excitement I've always gotten from the best Batman comics. When I say the criticism is in direct proportion to the hype, I'm not speaking subjectively. I really do believe the Nolan films should be scrutinized more carefully because so many have placed them so high on a pedestal. The hyperbole of the praise warrants equivalent hyperbolic reconsideration. It's almost a competition. A game. Which is what AICN Talkbacks are always about. Clearly, there's entertainment value to be gleened from THE DARK KNIGHT. I was entertained, too. (About ten times as much as I was by BEGINS.) That doesn't make it, even, a good movie, let alone a great one. That makes it a skootch above average.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Friendly reminder (again)'s called "editing"

    by tang126

    Even "The Empire Strikes Back", while being filmed, probably looked a little silly and underwhelming. I've got that awesome "making of" book, and can attest to the fact that it's a lot of standing around, sets that look a bit fake or "not really there", no effects, you see crew and equipment in various photos, etc. It's what happens. The greatest movie ever made (fill in the blank) didn't LOOK that way while being filmed, I promise you. It all gets put together into some nice, over time. FFS, let Nolan get some footage captured to work with, people. There's gonna be edits, music, sound effects, perhaps some camera/optical tweaks, etc. in the final product. Why do I even have to point this out to a forum full of (alleged) film buffs and movie geeks? Don't you people know this kind of stuff already? ??? RELAX...and let the process unfold as intended, will you? I swear, the Internet has completely cornholed the magic and aura of moviemaking. We're way too present and "in on" the front-end, when we were really only intended to plop our butts in the seat at the multiplex to view the finished product. But now - thanks to the Internet, cell phone cams, leaks, set spies, etc. - we're all armchair directors, cinematographers, editors, writers, stunt coordinators, CGI artists, casting agents, producers and marketing/PR personnel. :D As if.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    And, you're also right. I should've given up on this a long time ago.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I AM looking forward to the next reboot of Batman. Not because I believe it will be any good. I've had that optimism beaten right out of me. But, because, maybe it might be. But I know, whoever gets the car keys the next time is going to be automatically dismissed from the get-go by The Cult of Nolan, and I'll enjoy smacking them around for trollism for awhile. Whoever is next will have a much harder time than Nolan has ever had. BEGINS was a gimme. It just had to be less queer than Schumacher's. Anybody could've done THAT in their sleep. Whoever is next is gonna have to top Burton's achievement. Like it or don't like it, it was first. It was the one that took most of the risks and had to prove itself the hardest. Whoever is next had better have body armor for his balls.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST

    @rebel scumb the difference is that

    by KilliK

    in TDK there is an artistic conflict about how a main character is presented but how actually acts in the story. in Joker's case,he is supposedly to represent pure chaos,the motives behind his actions are unknown or completely random. the whole tangerine dialog between Alfred and Bruce is put in the movie to specifically stress this point: that Joker is a man beyond our comprehension ,that there is no pattern,purpose,ideology or way of thinking behind his action which can be put into logical examination and understanding. and yet that Joker,the avatar of chaos,is the guy who has created the most complex,detailed and insightful plans in the entire Batman filmography. from planing a bank robbery in such a detail ,that he leaves the bank with his bus exactly when another bus passes by,to using bullet fragments in order to send batman in a specific location and time and do a specific thing at the exact moment when Joker tries to kill the mayor. Nolan's Joker is supposed to be more like Michael Mayers from HALLOWEEN,but he acts more like Kevin Spacey from SEVEN.that's the problem.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by Castor Grayson

    How in the hell can you judge anything we see leaked? Who knows if this is right at the beginning of the movie before Bane gets the injections that make him jacked? (If that even happens). Maybe they are keeping Bane as just a smart strong man (like he is in the comics before he takes the venom) Maybe that Catwoman picture is of Selina Kyle stealing the bat-pod before she becomes Catwoman. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! Is this what you do with your lives? Just find things to pick on that are completely without a background or a frame of reference. It's atually pretty unbelievable. When the movie comes out, and it sucks, then shout your head off. Until then...dear goodness just relax.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Wow, alot of hate here!

    by Hambone

    It's a making of featurette, not how it'll be seen on the big screen. I'm guessing it's NOT the climax of the film, but from earlier in the film before Bane "juices" up. I do however think using a less popular villain such as Bane after TDK's Joker is kind've a mistake, I'm lukewarm about this. Hopefully, the next trailer will be more exciting then Oldman laying in bed.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Again. The only person who seems uptight is castorgrayson.

    by Subtitles_Off

    The rest of us seem to be having a fun, spirited, and particularly pleasant debate. So, um, you relax. Or don't. We stopped giving a shit before you even got here.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST


    by Castor Grayson

    Actually you're right I should relax, lest I become a maniac like most people here. It just blows my mind to see people spout hatred for something they have no context of.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Why is Bane the SAME size as Batman?

    by havehope


  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Why does Batman's suit have so many ridges?

    by havehope


  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Why is the camera RIGHT UP CLOSE to Batman and Bane

    by havehope


  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST

    subtitles_off - speaking of Cultish behaviour

    by LabattsBleu

    you've got some serious issues with Nolan don't you? too bad all the hate you spew just goes into the ether. I am wondering what superhero movie you do like, considering how bad TDK was in your eyes? as for the ridiculous tet a tat you were having with christpunchers2007, TDK would be nothing without the Joker? That's silly - you can say that about every great movie ever made. Silence of the Lambs is awful but for Lector for example...that's what happens when you subtract the major source of conflict...

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:45 a.m. CST

    subtitles re: next batman version

    by Rebel Scumb

    I think probably the route to go is somewhere sort of the tone the Marvel Studios have gone for with IronMan/Thor/Capt America etc And to be clear about that comment, i don't mean that batman should have the tone that any of those movies did, but each of those movies had a tone approximately correct to the tone of their respective comics (or at least certain eras of those comics, which have obviously changed a lot over 40+ years) Which for me would be a batman film that is basically a live action version of the 1990s Animated Series, which I think most would agree is the most 'accurate' version of batman in terms of tone/visuals I admittedly come at it from a different perspective. I love batman as a character, but have never been a regular reader of the comics. Other than special oneoffs like long halloween, arkham asylum, dark knight returns, killing joke, etc One of the things I like about batman though is the flexibility of the material. The Adam West batman, the Tim Burton Batman, and the Nolan batman are all WILDLY different films. Yet they are all batman, and in their own ways, all are valid, and even 'accurate' adaptations in their own way. truthfully for me, I'm not looking for a batman that is super close to the comics, in the same way that with the Xmen movies I don't mind a lot of the changes/modifications they made. The spirit of what I like about the material is there, and in some cases things are actually done in a way that I prefer to the original materials. Again that's just my personal take. It like a few years ago when that 'xmen evolution' cartoon was on, which had them all as teenager as at a normal school, most of the super hero battles were just teenage turf wars and bullying within the school. It could have been lame, but despite the enormous departure from the established mythology, in some ways I feel that show was the best interpretation of the X-men concept I've ever seen.

  • Are you fucking kidding me? They're shooting this big fight from one camera angle? The punches aren't even connecting! And the guys are just hanging around at first before they start fighting. Bane's not even wearing his mask at that point! Utter shit. What a fucking hack this Nolan guy is. At least Batman & Robin had music and sound effects and shit.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    subtitles....THANK YOU for having sense

    by havehope

    Burton's movie WAS the bravest and boldest

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    The cops have guns, the criminals have guns... and they're... fistfighting?


    I thought TDK was significantly overrated aside from Ledger's performance (it was very good but very flawed), so my expectations will probably be met one this one, even if it's not that great. I feel bad for anybody expecting the greatest film ever. But hey, if you thought TDK was a masterpiece, you might buy into anything.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    That is valid (re: joker). I always just took it more as the character being hypocritical than the movie itself, and again I agree that the plot of the movie makes no sense at all. And I know that this sounds like a dumb comment, but with TDK it just didn't bother me that the plot didn't make sense. The lack of logic never intruded on my enjoyment of it. And I think that is true of a lot of things I like. The Star trek tv shows/movies, star wars, Indiana Jones, LOST (I'm not among those who now hate it), Doctor Who, Die hard, etc. I think all of these properties are very easy (and justifiable) targets for parody and criticism. For me I've just always felt that their abilities to entertain me DESPITE any number of 'flaws' is part of what makes them great. And bare in mind I don't hold TDK to the same standard as something like citizen kane or the godfather or 'serious' films. To me it is an escapist summer epic, and in a sea of Michael bay transformers movies, Twilight adaptations, Pirates sequels, Saw sequels, and a lot of the other crap in theatres nowadays, Nolans films (batman and otherwise) have felt, for me, like a breath of fresh air. But for the record the criticisms you guys mentioned I do not disagree with

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    I do agree that this shot is completely out of context

    by Rebel Scumb

    The simplest example of why this is not really indicative of the final product is just looking at the cops and thugs punching each other, and how fake movie punches actually look when you take away the sound effects and look at it from anything other than the angle the director intended. I would never claim to be a financially successful filmmaker, but I've been making indie films of one size or another all of my life, and of this I know for certain, what the camera sees is different from what the eye sees (or in this case, the unintended camera) I mean it's valid I think to look at the official released photo of catwoman and say 'ok, I'm concerned about how this looks/I'm not sold on Hathaway or those goggles' or whatever. That is an officially released photo, presumably a still from the movie but I don't see any issue with this fight footage and without seeing the final product I don't see how it can really be judged.

  • What a ridiculous statement. By that rational the opening scene from Gladiator should actually have been placed at the end!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    You do realize that films get coverage of scenes from multiple angles by doing different camera set ups right? They don't set up 7 cameras and shoot them all at once. For one thing its next to impossible to light properly and even more importantly in a big scene like this you risk getting the other camers in the show This is ONE angle they are shooting for this. They've been shooting this sequence for days now. They will likely do a batman close up, a bane close up. A wide shot, cutaways to extras fighting, cutaways to Marion Coitlard, or catwoman or Comm Gordon, or whoever else might be in this scene. Specific short takes of any bits of business that need to be accentuated.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST

    the burton batman

    by Rebel Scumb

    I use to love it, never really liked Returns though. Upon rewatching it recently though I don't think it has aged very well at all. Although elfmans music and Nicholson are still memorable, but otherwise... I kind of wish I hadn't have revisited it. Plus batman is gunning people down cold bloodedly in that movie which is pretty contrary to Batman's overall character as a whole

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    as for the cops/thugs not shooting their guns

    by Rebel Scumb

    while I agree that from this one shot we're seeing it does seem odd, again there might be a reason in the movie perhaps the mercs are trying to take batman (or someone else off camera) alive there could be some other reason Or it could also make as little sense as this glimpse seems. We shall see!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Batman's face looks white/grey

    by teddy_duchamp

    You whining fucks!! I think this fucking cool, Batmans suit looks awesome I reckon this is going to be great scene, possibly Batmans Redemption as a hero. On another note is it me or does Batmans face look grey and colourless? in the actual take with the snow, compare his jaw colour to Banes? I noticed it whislt watching ful screen, what do you guys think?? is he wearing make up or is it just the shitty camera?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST


    by teddy_duchamp

    WHY NOT?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb, keaton IS batman

    by havehope

    keaton's performance has risen since the bale films. He is how i view batman and probably always will

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST

    im with you castorgrayson

    by teddy_duchamp

    Most people on here think they could shoot a better film themselves.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    fighting in a swarm of locusts

    by deelzbub

    Let my people go

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    The Steelers are Rogues!

    by SnootyBoots

    A number of Pittsburgh Steelers will be portraying members of The Gotham Rogues. Type casting.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Christian Bale is so over-rated in this role

    by krabklaw

    Anybody else think his Batman-as-Clint Eastwood portrayal is lame? This movie looks like s**t so far.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    They are not real guns,they are water pistols.

    by KilliK

    that's why they are not using them in the scene. HA.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Batman's suit is made by the same people who make Ruffles.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It has r-r-r-r-r-ridges.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST


    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    I'm not judging this movie until I see it, but so far nothing is making me the least bit excited.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    I love the intensity of all the activity around them

    by MattHooper

    This stuff never looks that great off-camera, but if you magnify it, you get an approximate idea of what it will look like. This will be very visual. I like it, it's good stuff. Good orchestration. Those people are working very hard for my entertainment, and I appreciate it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Why the hell is Nolan wearing a blazer?

    by krabklaw

    All the crew are in shorts and short-sleeve shirts and he's walking around in a blazer and white slacks like he's f**king Thurston Howell III or something just strolling out of the yacht club. Guy must be a total dillweed pompous ass.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Indeed, nachoman. But this isn't 'real life.'

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's more 'grounded in realism.' Meaning, it is what it is, and you can't question it. The Genius is working. Ssshhh, about the no-clothes thing.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    The Steelers will be in this?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Ugh. All of my 'hatred' is now totally justified, and none of you can even argue. Fucking Steelers. Jebus.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Does anyone here Know how to make a film other then me!!!!???

    by Professor_Bedlam

    My God People I'm a real grip and gaffer in hollywood and I also do stunt rigging as well and back ground acting! I've worked on many films and tv! Most of you dumb asses don't know what it takes to make a film!!!! This is why Directors keep everything so tight lipped and try not to let this stuff out! Because this scene will not look anything like it is here!!!! You are seeing someone with a camcorder film most likely without there knowledge and if were caught would be up shits creek!!!! Do you Know how many man hours it takes to put 1 minute of screen time on a big budget major film to make it come to life in an out of post!!!! And for the the idiot rev_skarekroe You will most likely be eating your words when you see it in IMAX or on the big screen! People learn about what it takes to make films and what they do to get one simple take! It will surprise you! A great book to read is called Making Movies by Sidney Lumet This will give you a good Idea what it takes to make a movie! Read it everyone!!!!!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Re: Nolan and Burton's Batman vs the Comic Book version

    by TallanDagwood

    First let me say it is a pleasant surprise to read a thread that has disagreement but not acrimony. I find the Nolan Batman to be a fascinating and highly entertaining take on the mythos. But, it certainly has it's flaws, which I find for the most part are due to nolan's grounding the mythos in a near reality and his insistence on following a thematic agenda. The near reality and thematic dogma tend to box him in with regards to staying true to the comic book origins, and his resolution to such seems to be to fall back on the trope that he has tried to escape with the near reality - namely; the comic book itself. One such box is that everyone knows that batman will never kill. To Nolans credit he has stayed true to that, but the contortions he must go through to satisfy what a near reality vigilante would do vs the comic book, at times brings the narrative to a screeching halt. In the Burton version - at least in the very first film, which few if any would argue is approximate to the same near reality of the nolan version, the very 'un-reality' of gotham tends to blunt any criticism of the motivations and 'real world' situations that would drive batman to break his no kill vow. The fact however, is if you look at it in a certain way, the burton version actually presents a batman that could kill. Take the parade scene for instance, where batman is firing bullets from his batplane at joker and jokers henchmen. Maybe they are rubber bullets -it never is confirmed one way or other, but his actions throughout the movie tend to make you believe they are not. This is a testament to the character created by Keaton, who while physically inappropriate for the role, certainly was an outstanding Bruce Wayne. I find overall, that I prefer the nolan version over burtons, but not by a large margin. The merits of the no kill policy can be debated one way or another, but it is worth noting that such a debate really is more about DCU vs MU. The entire DCU -at least until recent reboots, always existed outside of the 'reality' of the day. Marvel, though certainly not a true real world avatar either, at least attempted to build a universe more aligned with the realities of the day and thus exploited the gap that existed in quite a few fans mind over the DC's version. Whether you fall on one side or the other of the dc/marvel divide, usually informs your opinion of Batman's policy. Growing up, I always saw dcu as the more aggressive extension of Harvey comics. This is not intended as a slam because I was a huge Richie Rich fan as well as well as Metal Men. DC's ethos at the time (70's-80's), while some called it outdated, served a purpose, it kept comic books in the pure fantasy/wish fulfillment arena - it kept them 'safe' and to a degree innocent. Marvel, on the other hand exploded because it embraced a more rugged 'near reality' - or as near as a super powered being living in Manhattan can get, style. I enjoyed both, and I think that both have produced 'noble' characters. Reading above I saw a comparison between batman and daredevil and or punisher. Perhaps this is because those marvel characters have no super powers - well dd does have those heightened senses. Still, I would say that Spiderman is actually the closest in pure morality to Batman. As for the movie themselves, I find that no movie outside a few scenes in Burtons first, has yet to touch on what I think is the batman character's greatest drawing card: His psychoses. Someone above - subtitles_off maybe? Said, and i am paraphrasing, that batman stories are at their best when the issues are about damaged individuals. I totally agree with that, and forgive me if I mangled the meaning. I hope Nolan concludes his entertaining saga on a high note and I eagerly await the results, but I will reserve any all judgment until the final product is on the screen.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    This is shaping up to look like a real turd

    by tradeskilz

    Noland is a one trick pony. And he's fresh outta magic.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by Nabster

    You're right, the chase scene in TDK was pretty cool. Not amazing, or super slick, but it was the best action Nolan has directed in his Batmen films. But the hand to hand is tedious and cluttered. Burton did it better. And Keaton was amazing as Batman.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    The Burton Batman most certainly killed...

    by Gordon Bombay

    How about in Batman Returns when he puts the bomb on the big fat guy or when he uses the Batmobile to light someone on fire.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    @rebel. That tone you would be speaking of...

    by Subtitles_Off

    ...would that be 'dull as dishwater' or 'duller than dirt'? Sorry, TDK may be an over-rated movie, but it isn't bland. INCREDIBLE HULK, CAPTAIN AMERICA, BATMAN BEGINS, GREEN LANTERN, too, are all generic B-movies. There's nothing bold or ambitious about any of them. Straightforward and utterly forgettable. Not one of them is better than BATMAN FOREVER. And that wasn't any good, either. At least SPIDER-MAN 2 and IRON MAN were fun, thrilling, big, well-made movies. X-MEN II was better than it had any business being, considering the silly source material. SUPERMAN and SUPERMAN II are seriously flawed, but fun as well. Hopelessly dated, but those were better times. Last time I saw Burton's BATMAN, I had exactly the opposite reaction of yours, rebel. I noticed more weight to it than I ever had before. BATMAN RETURNS is all surreal ambition. It flirts with being the best of the bunch, but it has too much 'muchness' about it. TDK is entertaining, though trite, talky, and swiss-cheese-like in plot construction. Then, there's the real crap. Your X-MEN, your JONAH HEX, your CONSTANTINE, your WATCHMEN, your SUPERMAN RETURNS, your SPIDER-MAN 3, your IRON MAN 2, your 300, your Thomas Jane PUNISHER. I never saw THOR. Yeah, I think it's quite likely all future superhero movies will follow the template set by the bland and average ones. That's why I vote they quit making them. Like westerns, the genre's burnt. Unlike westerns, it happened quicker because there wasn't that much to it to begin with. Also, like westerns, in twenty-thirty years time, there's a chance they'll be making better, more interesting ones. Just a chance.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, noon CST

    @krabklaw. That was funny.

    by Subtitles_Off

    He's fancy.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, noon CST

    dont go far.Burton's Batman destroyed a whole

    by KilliK

    factory with dozens of thugs in it.He was even worse than the Punisher.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    teddy_duchamp, the tdk suit is NOT good

    by havehope

    does not look scary at all

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    And, Burton's Batman actually articulated.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Burton's Batman could kick Nolan's Batman's ass.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I don't think Bane is wearing a "muzzle"...

    by DorkmanScott

    I think he's wearing a gas mask. We know (at least we think we do) that this film is going to tie into the plotline of BB, with the League of Shadows, so what if Bane is like the Scarecrow? Instead of taking Venom, he sets off doses of the League of Shadows' fear gas, and his appearance has been carefully crafted so that when the gas goes into effect, people react by seeing a hulking monster. So the hypermuscular Bane is only a hallucination -- which keeps that aspect of the character without having to violate the movie "reality" by introducing an instant-action steroid (I don't see any of the steroid tubes on any of the Bane images released so far, either). Just a thought I had. No inside knowledge claimed.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Lets. Not let us.

    by Subtitles_Off

    That lazy shit bothers me.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    The Steelers + Pittsburgh + Thomas Tull

    by SnootyBoots

    Mr. Tull founded Legendary Pictures, is an executive producer of TDKR, and co-owns the Steelers. That's why Pittsburgh is Gotham.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Oops. Second + should be =.

    by SnootyBoots

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    True, dorkman, but you gotta admit...

    by Subtitles_Off

    that gas mask is awfully muzzle-shaped.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    sorry if its already been posted...

    by soup74

    im not gonna read the whole thread... but here is the first publicity shot of catwoman (not the motorcycle one)

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    actually.. forget it... its fan art.

    by soup74

    my bad.. i apologize

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Oh, GAWD, soup. Is that for real?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Say that doesn't suck. Go ahead. You know you're lying.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Whew. You almost gave 'Lop a heart attack.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    @gordon bombay and killik

    by TallanDagwood

    I have not watched those movies in quite a while, but that seems to conclusively prove that batman - burtons version, would definitely kill with no compunction. It is quite fascinating that burtons unreal gotham gives us a hero that will kill, whereas nolans 'near reality' gotham presents a hero who does not.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Contrarians are some of the most interesting creatures.

    by Anthrax

    So threatened by the fact that the "unwashed masses" dig the Nolan Batman flicks that were supposed to be all theirs. Sometimes... Just sometimes, things are popular because, y'know, they're good. Deal with it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    yeah.. its good fan art...

    by soup74

    not so good if it was real.

  • Got to love the internet. So much information. All of it worthless.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by TallanDagwood

    Thank you for the reply in the previous Nolan thread.

  • Check it out:

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    And, most times things are popular because they're crap.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Black Eyed Peas. Very popular. The Pittsburgh Steelers. Very popular.* (* In Pittsburgh.) Mike's Hard Lemonade. Very popular. 'American Idol' Very popular. STAR WARS prequels. Very popular. Not, TRANSFORMERS-popular but very popular, nonetheless. I could go on all day. There's nothing --- nothing --- that will convince a thinking brain that popularity necessarily equates with quality.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Oh, I forgot.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Deal with it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by TallanDagwood

    Thank you! What an informative read. In my earlier post I presumed he had killed, but other than the first burton movie, I had no real historical basis. Quite fascinating. I wonder if DC will ever change policy again?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Of course not.

    by Anthrax

    Nobody in their right mind would think that popularity directly correlates to quality. But, to contrarians like you, anything that's popular is dumb, and you're above it. If you've hated the previous two films so much? Then why are you spending so much time in a thread about the new one? Oh, right, because you need to make sure EVERYONE sees that you hated Begins and Dark Knight. At this point, the really smart contrarians should be just about ready to reverse course yet again and start praising the Nolan Bat films, warts and all.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    @ Tallangwood

    by Valaquen

    No problem :D If they change policy, I don't think they'll change his character, the 'no kill' policy has become so ingrained in him. Though Bale's Batman often finds loopholes or bends the rules (he kills a shitload of LoS guys when he refuses to kill the bandit in BB -the place explodes!- and lets Ra's die)

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Sorry, I spelt your name wrong, Tallandagwood

    by Valaquen

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Re: Punisher

    by Continentalop

    Exactly. That is why I like him as a character. Not as a hero or even protagonist, but as an anti-hero and even antagonist. I think he would fit in great amongst Batman's Rogue's Gallery as the reverse of Batman: two damaged men who could relate and understand each other's motives, but never accept how the other one operates. Batman thinks Punisher goes to far; Punisher thinks Batman is soft.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I'm fascinated to see how the final movie will look.

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    As another talkbacker pointed out, it comes together in the stage of editing and other post-processes. That's where the real magic happens. (And frankly, this is the stage that *a lot* of amateur, aspiring, so-called indie filmmakers fail at -- having the skills and know-how to edit, and post-produce well.) The footage we have been seeing are pieces of the visual puzzle being made. Do they look a bit hokey? Of course. What's important at this stage is not what a bystander sees but what the camera shooting the sequence sees -- what is framed within its lens.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    subtitles_off, you ever think anything you dont post on a talkback?

    by dahveed1972

    Rhetorical, so feel free NOT to respond. I mean, after the 100th post, i think everyone understands where you're coming from. Okay?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Are the Black Eyed Peas really that popular?

    by Anthrax

    I don't ever hear them on the radio or at bars on Friday nights. The Steelers? Pretty sure their only fan outside of Pittsburgh is Snoop Dogg. Don't think I've ever seen anyone drink a Mike's. Could be a regional thing. Certainly not popular in the southern California area. I can't honestly say I know about American Idol's popularity at this point. I know it was huge a few years ago... The Star Wars prequels were popular? Really? Sure, they were profitable, you can always count on the Star Wars diehards, but almost nobody openly admits to liking any of those films. So, the only thing you listed that's at all credible is Transformers. But then, I did say that it was only SOMETIMES that something that's actually good becomes popular. Here's a little list of films that were both extremely popular, and quite good. Original Star Wars trilogy Alien/Aliens Indiana Jones franchise (Excluding the last one.) Donner's Superman Terminator/2 2001: A Space Odyssey (Actually, we can pretty much put every Kubrick film ever made on this list, except for Eyes Wide Shut) Back to the Future franchise Die Hard (Again, up until the last one) Toy Story franchise (Again, we could easily throw in the vast majority of Pixar's stuff on this list.) Just about every Disney cartoon that came out before The Lion King I could go on all day.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    "Looking too Orchestrated?!?!?!"

    by LizardMan

    Um, you do know that this movie will look COMPLETELY different from the camera's lens? And that fight scenes are all FAKE? And people don't really hit each other on set? what are you, ignorant?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    The Bane mask is growing on me...

    by Datascream

    It actually looks kinda cool.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Burton's Batman was NOT based on the first comic book Batman

    by Mattman

    Despite the fact that they both kill, any similarities Burton's Batman had to the early incarnation (and that was the only similarity) was pure coincidence. Burton and Hamm wanted Batman to kill people because they thought it would be funny and cool. They didn't bother to portray who the evolved character of the comics, because portraying a man who refuses to murder is actually a lot more of a writing challenge. It's easy to have him wantonly kill people. It also cheapens the character.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    @valaquen Re: Policy

    by TallanDagwood

    I tend to fall in the 'never say never' camp. I can foresee a time when out of necessity, as opposed to editorial dictum, that batman does kill again - not that I wish so. Say, if sales plummeted and stayed low. Trading on his known 'no kill' policy for a sales bump, would not be the worst thing either company has done for a quick albeit , temporary infusion of publicity and sales.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    professor bedlum

    by Continentalop

    I'm an editor. So I am used to look at dailies and behind the scenes footage. Yeah few people here are criticizing or commenting on the actual action that is unfolding. And sure it looks ridiculous on this video but put the right lens and shoot it from the right angle and I am sure it will play on screen. However, some people here aren't commenting on how the scene is being shot or staged but what is in the scene. Bane's costume and the idea of Batman and Bane engaged in an all-out riot on the foots of City Hall looks and sounds preposterous. These are things we can judge based on what we have scene. Maybe in the context of the movie it will play and look good, but you can't get upset at people for forming an opinion on what they are seeing. That is what marketing teams are for, to get you excited to see a project. So far the marketing team at WB's is failing miserably IMO.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST


    by Subtitles_Off

    Interesting premise described above. I think it's been noted that Burton's Batman, on the basis of the surreal quality of the setting, was freer of the comics-based ethical tethers against killing. He could kill, as long as he killed 'bad' guys. In the comics today, violent deaths of decent or innocent people --- fly-by casualties --- are allowed, but Batman is restricted by a code which says he cannot directly kill even the most vile. To do so, it has been insisted upon by editorial mandate since The Seventies, would be to make the character less heroic. 'No different than the villains he fights' sorta thing. I happen to think it's what elevates the Batman mythology from generic revenge-fantasy stuff and makes it more complicated, therefore more interesting than, say, Punisher or Wolverine which are more basic, primal, you-shoot-me-I-shoot-you fantasies. The Nolan movies are tethered to a similar code as the character is in the material they are sourcing, with the obvious difference that this movie Batman doesn't try to actively rescue any of his opponents. It's a further muddying of the issue. It's Batman as completely ineffectual. So what if someone is killed as long as he didn't kill him? That's my main complaint against Nolan's Batman. I have yet to see him do any real self-actualizing. He was brow-beaten into becoming a hero in the first. He volunteered for patsyism in the second. He relies completely on the tricks of the Magic Man in the basement. He's a total pussy.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    thank you professor Bedlam!

    by Rebel Scumb

    Well said! A perfect example is if you see the behind the scenes of shooting band of brothers or the pacific and how lame the battles look from a camcorder off to the side, compared to the finished product with the colour correction, 45 degree shutter, in your face hand held, with dirt flying into the camera, and the sound of the explosions booming. I think this crowd shot will look amazing, especially Nolan and Pfister favour wide angle lenses. The chaos of the crowd, the snow coming down, the frenzy of the fighting. Especially if this is one of the Imax shots

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    You counted my posts? How flattering.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'm pretty sure I've racked up more than 'hundreds,' though. I can feel free to respond if I want to, too. Right? I mean. That's still allowed? Freedom to type whatever I want whenever I want? What a concept!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST


    by Valaquen

    Michael Uslan (producer): "I only let Tim see the original year of the Bob Kane/Bill Finger run, up until the time that Robin was introduced." Saying Batman killed because it was cool just makes you sound butthurt.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    @ tallandagwood

    by Continentalop

    It was about arch-criminals vs. supervillains, right?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    What I meant by tone is that they approximated generally the tone I would get from reading the average issue of their equivelant comics. They are somewhat grounded in reality and acknowledge things that flat out would not translate from a comicbook to big screen translation, but remain faithful in many areas where other studios/directors would have been quick to modify. In this regard I mean if the Bay Transformers movies had been made the way the Avengers lead up movies had, then it wouldn't have been the greatest movie ever made, but I have a feeling Optimus prime would look like optimus prime, and the general tone of the movie would feel basically the way it felt to watch the old cartoon. Likewise I'm not saying the next batman movie franchise should feel like Iron man or Capt America, but it will likely feel to Batman comics, what the Avengers movies feel to the avengers comics.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Nolan's movie origin is the comic book origin.

    by Anthrax

    Bruce is "brow-beaten" into becoming a hero in that film as much as he is in any comic book. Straws. You're grasping at them.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    valaquen, I am 'butthurt' over Batman killing

    by Mattman

    A lot of comic book characters have some weird, stupid first run that has little to do with what the character evolved into. "It's okay because he did it in his first appearance!" is the laziest excuse for bad writing I've ever seen. Another way in which Hamm and Burton took the cheap and easy route was to have Joker kill Batman's parents. That right there told me they had no understanding of the character. BATMAN is a fun movie with some great performances and production design, but they fucked up the character.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Nolan's movie origin is the comic book origin.

    by Subtitles_Off

    School him, 'Lop. And then, ask him to show me the issue where Bruce Wayne aimlessly shambles around as a pickpocket in order to get tossed into prison so he can observe criminals. Then, ask him to show me the issue where we wants to 'burn down his parents house.' Or the one where he whines about his ineffectualness and has Katie Holmes tell him to sack up. Oh,'s one. Have him present the issue where Batman is trained by an arch-nemesis that doesn't even exist in the comics until thirty years later. Straws. I use them to suck soda with.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1 p.m. CST


    by Steve

    This site is so full of contrarians it makes my head spin. Thanks for making subtitles_off look like a fool!!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    You forgot something Subs

    by Continentalop

    When did Bruce Wayne ever try as a young man to kill Joe Chill after seeing him in court? I would say that was the biggest change in Batman's origin I didn't like. Batman fights crime because the criminal who murdered his parents never gets caught. The system doesn't work and he wants closure he will never get. BTW - I like TDK a lot, I am not a fan of BB.

  • You are a huge, huge idiot and have absolutely no fucking clue what are you talking about. As it relates to filmmaking, well, that may be different. But yeah, bringing up Steinback doesn't disprove what is commonly and what virtually EVERY AUTHOR EVER will tell you first hand. You're honestly retarded if you think otherwise. Just saying.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST


    by Mattman

    I love the scene where Bruce gets denied his revenge. He's still young and impulsive there, caught up in rage. What I like about that scene is we don't know for sure that he was going to do it. I actually JUST watched that part last night and he's trembling as he approaches. He's not Batman yet by that point... he doesn't become Batman until Ra's asks him to kill the thief, and he denies him.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Extreme motocross Batman in action!

    by thot

    So disappointing that we aren't getting at least a modified version of the ridiculous Dark Knight Bat-suit. Oh well,....hopefully TDKR won't be as grim as TDK. It'll be interesting to see what happens post-Nolan.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by Nerd Rage

    Dude is like half a foot shorter than Batman. If Bane beats him down Batman will look like a punk.

  • Batman Begins actually went deeper into Batman's origin than any comic has bothered. They invented some new scenes that capture the spirit of the character. They explained WHY Batman doesn't kill, rather than just having him not kill. Bruce can never get revenge for his parents death, and after Chill is killed, he feels even emptier than before. He's disgusted with himself for even considering killing Chill (hence tossing the gun into the water and then going to confront Falcone).

  • And, once more, nobody needs to 'knock off' anything.

  • Nolan does though.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    They expalined WHY Batman does not kill and then, in the sequel,

    by Subtitles_Off

    they contradict their whole shit by having him run into the shadows for murders he didn't commit. Brilliant! Eat your cake, as long as you have it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    That explains it.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I don't 'get' Batman. Glad that's all cleared up.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Subs, the no killing thing is a personal rule

    by Mattman

    He doesn't care what people think of him, so long as he's having a positive effect on Gotham. Batman is just a means to an end.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    So long as he's having a positive effect on Gotham.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Nolan gets me.

  • You see that ALL the time, when you're grounded in realism. That's bound to lead in a positive direction. Batman: Means To An End; Or, How I Gave Up Herosim To Become a Full-Time Patsy (And You Can Too)

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Go read some Bat comics, subs. Pick up some graphic novels.

    by Mattman

    Educate yourself. Otherwise, stick to what you know.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    @subtitles_off Re: Batman and the no kill policy

    by TallanDagwood

    In my mind, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Batman possesses the greatest mythology of any comic book hero, even surpassing Superman. I know many who will disagree though, because whereas Superman is basically unchanged since the mid 1940's, Batman has undergone several radical changes. But to me, this is an evolution of the character - granted at times it was through fits and starts, but I can not think of any comic book based character of even half his longevity, that has undergone such change, but still remained true to his basic mission. I assumed the no kill policy was a relic of the late forties or at least the code days of the fifties. Quite fascinating to discover it has latter day origins. I do not, however think that it is his policy that sets him apart or makes him better than other comic book heroes. I may be wrong, but I think Spiderman may have the same -if unarticulated policy - at least I do not recall him ever deliberately killing. Batman is simply a fantastic creation of a comic book character. You have a billionaire, who has suffered a horrendous and horrifying personal loss at a very early age. He grows into a man who is obsessed with every fiber of his being into capturing and punishing criminals, or vice versa. Quite often vice versa. That is the often overlooked aspect of The Batman: The punishment part. Perhaps I was mistaken to so quickly dismiss the comparison between batman and the punisher. Yes, the Punisher will resort to the use of lethal force, but the underlying intent - punishment, is the same for both characters. They are both damaged men, who have turned that damage into an obsession. I would love to know what would they be like if unable to satisfy their obsession - say being physically or otherwise prevented from doing such, but with the underlying damage still in place? How would they respond?

  • What an idiotic system of classification you pulled out of your ass. LANTERN and FOREVER are at least as bad as any of those movies, and leagues worse than Watchmen. You put JONAH HEX in the right category, thankfully, but that's about the only thing with any credibility in your entire list. I fart dismissively in your general direction.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Also Superman in his Golden Age run was a DICK.

    by KilliK

    and i would love if Snyder based his Superman on that comic version.hehe.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by TallanDagwood

    Yes it was, and you articulated the difference quite nicely too.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Batman Forever is terrible.

    by Mattman

    "My shoes are meelllting!!" And let's not forget the idiot who shrieks, "It's Batmaaaan! Nyyaaaaaaggh."

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Hehehehehehe, right mattman. Come on over. I'll show you my library.

    by Subtitles_Off

    When The Choppah idiots show up, fun's over. Time to go watch a movie.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Rode by Pittsburgh Saturday...

    by Jay Eyler

    Took my train through Pittsburgh Saturday morning, and Heinz Field was filling up with people, that may have had nothing to do with the film, but the Batmobile was supposed to be around somewhere too. Alas I saw nothing rolling freight by at 50 mph.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    The costume

    by dukeroberts

    I have never liked the Nolan Batman costume. It looks too armory and too designed. It's just shy a couple of nipples. That and the Batmobile are the only two aspects of the Nolan Batman films I have not cared for. Despite how these early scenes and pictures look, I trust that TDKR will be kickass awesome.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    the thing is who GIVES A FUCK about super-hero

    by KilliK

    comic book characters? the only really good and mature super-hero comics which they tried to adapt into films,were mediocrities at best.the rest are simply your average,summer popcorn entertainment. 30 years we had Indiana Jones to entertain us with his fists and his whip,now we have Spider-Man swinging around the NY skyscrapers while shooting web from his ass. The difference is that at its time Indiana Jones was a fucking ORIGINAL movie idea,filled with ingenuity,talent and love in its making,whereas the comic-book movies are nothing more than adaptation followed by numerous sequels and even reboots.sigh. Give me new movies Hollywood or if you want to stick to comic-book movies,then why not start making movies with ORIGINAL super-heroes?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    mattman, fair enough

    by Continentalop

    It worked for you, and yes I will readily admit it fits with the themes and Bruce's character arc that Nolan and Goyer were developing. However, for my personal taste I have always preferred NOT showing the Wayne's murderer. IMO he works so much better as the boogey-man who inspires Batman to take up crimefighting. An unknown figure who Batman can project the face of any criminal he fights onto as motivation on why he is Batman. It's a matter of personal taste here I guess mattman.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    The Punisher?

    by dukeroberts

    Seriously? You consider a murderous psycho as the Marvel equivalent to Batman? I think not. Moon Knight is more an equivalent to Batman. He is super rich, has cool gadgets, a butler as a sidekick and works at night. However, I think he kills people now. Nighthawk would also be a Marvel counterpart. Remember him? He used to be a Defender and then moved over to the Squadron Supreme planet to serve as their "Batman". However, both characters are similar only on the surface. Spider-Man is the true Marvel counterpart to Batman. They are both orphaned, both driven with a sense to avenge, but not kill. Both work mostly at night, and sometimes are looked down on by the law as they sometimes skirt the line between doing what is legal and what is right. Though Batman is dark, and Spidey is light, they are the true counterparts to each other, as Superman and Captain America are to each other.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    super 8

    by ieatgarbage

    was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Most of you are idiotic shit heads.

  • I like that idea too. But I think the fact that he was robbed of killing Chill also works to achieve that. At any rate, anything's better than having The Joker kill his parents, so Batman can kill the Joker and get revenge. Ugh.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    I don't mind Batman taking blame for a crime he didn't commit

    by Continentalop

    For a greater good. Nor do I dislike the idea of Batman being a fugitive. I think both can work nicely. What I didn't like about the end of TDK was how it didn't feel necessary. The Joker had been terrorizing Gotham, turning it into a ghost town, and had almost blown up two ferries full of people, which would cause the deaths of maybe a thousand citizens. Yet Gordon and Batman think the death of just one guy, Dent, is going to dishearten everyone? Hell, no one is going to care about Dent's death. It will be a small article on the front page with the rest of the story on page 11. The rest of the paper will be dedicated to the Joker ALMOST KILLING A THOUSAND PEOPLE AND FINALLY GETTING CAPTURED. And even if people read about how Dent did kill some crooked cops and gangsters, all you got to do is tell how lost his girlfriend and had HALF HIS FACE BURNED OFF. I think people would be accepting of the circumstances that turned him insane. I thought TDK was a damn good movie but I really thought the moralizing at the end was completely unnecessary and a simple justification to make him into a fugitive. Of course, people are free to disagree with me.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Conti, those are good points about Dent

    by Mattman

    I can't argue that one. Although, within the context of the movie it worked for me. I liked that everyone was lying to one another, even themselves in the end. Part of the reason Batman wants to preserve Harvey's image is because HE believed in Harvey. I think he's utterly devastated by the end, and takes on Harvey's sins (sound familiar?). Batman is the ultimate martyr. I'm just not sure how they're going to deal with the aftermath of this in the next movie.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST


    by Continentalop

    Punisher is the dark mirror version of Batman. Much more than Moon Knight. Moon Knight is just cosmetically Batman's doppleganger, with the costume, weapons and vehicles, but he doesn't share the same motivation or origin. The Punisher is a warped version of Batman, someone who is so similar to Batman yet the opposite. When Bruce Wayne's parents were killed, Batman was born. In some ways Bruce turned tragedy into something positive, giving him a reason to live. And from there he went on to train himself to become the greatest crime fighter possible and "wage war on criminals" and bring justice. The Punisher went through an almost mirror image arc. He had lived through hardship and survived war to go back home to a life of tranquility with his family, only to have them killed. Their murders robbed him of any reason to live, reducing him into a bitter, angry man bent on vengeance, not Justice, and wanting to "wage a REAL war on criminals." The Punisher works better as a villain, and I think he would have been a great Batman villain.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Re: anthrax

    by Therawbeats

    Don't know if you were joking or not about Steelers not being popular anywhere but Pitt, but they're probably one of the top 5 most popular sports franchises in the world. I'm not a fan of them, but the terrible towels are everywhere. Also, not sure who was making the argument otherwise, but first drafts of novels are always (99%) garbage.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Don't worry mattman

    by Continentalop

    Since so many people like BB and TDK, especially the ending, I think you could almost argue that justifies the ending. It just didn't work for me, but the film went on to make over a billion dollars. So do you cater it for me or the rest of the world?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 2 p.m. CST


    by Splinter76

    Several articles have said this is was a jailbreak aftermath. Why would a jailbreak be the climax of the film. I'll bet money that this is NOT the climax of the film.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST


    by dukeroberts

    I agree that the Punisher would make a good Batman villain, which therefore does not make him Batman's Marvel counterpart. I still believe that Spidey is Batman's counterpart.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    @dukeroberts Re: The Punisher and Batman

    by TallanDagwood

    I am not certain if your post was directed at me or not, if not forgive my presumption. I agree that the closest marvel equivalent to batman - specifically regarding his no kill policy and general moral compass, is spiderman. I even said as much in an earlier post in this thread. A point was raised by, I believe Continentalop that compared daredevil and or punisher to batman whether or not continentalop meant they where the closest marvel equivalents or just had similarities, I can not say. When I first read that, I was inclined to disagree - especially with regards to the punisher. However, while composing my response to subtitles_off on a different matter, it dawned on me that while I still believe spiderman the closest 'moral' equivalent in the MU to Batman, I may have been hasty to dismiss punisher from being batman's closest 'spiritual' equivalent. Both men have been psychologically damaged by the murder or their closest loved ones in front of them. Both men became obsessed with punishing any and all criminals. Yes, Spiderman also either witnessed the murder or encountered the murderer of his uncle, depending on which version you care to use. But by all accounts - his comic book history that is, he did not become obsessed with punishing criminals - any and all, and by punishment I mean inflicting physical pain and or death. However, batman and the punisher do inflict enormous amounts of damage to criminals. In the punishers case, he uses multiple weapons as well as armed and unarmed combat. Batman uses weapons as well, non-lethal, but even skipping his lethal stage, batman also harshly physically punishes criminals. He could incapacitate most criminals without resorting to his physically engaging them - he is a genius who has devised any number of capturing mechanisms, but - and this is where the comparison comes into play -he seems to require/need perhaps even enjoy the physical release of beating criminals with his fists, elbows, legs etc - punishing them, before they are taken to jail. He does not inflict the ultimate punishment, but he most certainly doles out a harsh and hefty amount of physical punishment.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST


    by Continentalop

    I think Spidey is the midpoint between Batman and Superman (same with Cap, who seems to be a blend of Bats and Supes). I actually don't think Marvel has an actual counterpart to Batman or Superman, unless you're talking about Nighthawk and Hyperion.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    There were two Batman/Punisher comic crossovers btw.

    by KilliK

    although in the first comic,Batman was in reality Azrael.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    duke & continentalop

    by KoolerThanJesus

    I think there is a good argument for Thor being Marvel's Superman. Both have non-Earth origins and ultimately adopted the world as their own. Thor refused to return to be among the gods and Supes never went off in search of somewhere else to live.

  • I was like WTH (Heck - I was 10). It kinda messed me up. This was the first time I ever looked at comics. Man did he and my older cousin have mad comics..mainly all DC stuff. They both have passed on..garage full of comics of which I have most..half of them I never even looked at..still sitting in large old school paper grocery bags.

  • Preview: Whole thing. About to read it again myself...probably has been 16 years..I do remember there was something that buggged me about it, but I will refrain for now from posting anything incase anyone wants to read it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by lead_sharp

    Unless they pull some forced perspective or some such (and I know he looked amazing as Bronson) tiny Bane is an image problem. It might and indeed probably will all work out but...tiny Bane. That's an odd one.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    =had Batman snapping a dudes neck=

    by KilliK

    at least it wasnt the issue where he is swimming naked with Robin in the sea.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    This is unfinished product!

    by Shaun1138

    People need to get real. I work in the movie business and this is unfinished product. We don't know if it is being shot "Day for Night" or how it will look color corrected to fit the mood of what is going on. Something in my gut tells me this is early on before Bane blows up to a monster of a hulk. This is probably early on in the film. Since films are shot so out of sequence no one can claim to know where this fits into the puzzle.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST


    by Continentalop

    No, I agree, and in fact think Thor was obviously patterned after Supes (I mean, blue costume and red cape?). <P> But where Thor is a God who acts like a god, Supes is a God-like being who acts like a man. Personality wise I would say Thor is more like Wonder Woman (and if you add the old Dr. Donald Blake transformation, I think you could add the original Captain Marvel as an influence).

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    You guys should arrange an AICN meeting/get-together

    by Bobo_Vision

    You spend more time talking to each other than you do with your own family members. That's a pretty large commitment. You're intimate with each other in ways you don't even realize.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    I'm at work on a sunday bobo

    by Continentalop

    Who the hell am I going to talk too? The place is a ghost town.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    WHAT SPOILERS!!?? Like you didn't know

    by JestaFool

    Batman and Bane where going to fight in this movie? Give me a fucking break. I could see if this video had Bane breaking the Bat's back or something else but it's just a buncha snow and fighting. can't even really see shit. probably from the start of the film anyway. ever.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Bat Guano Rises

    by Ricky Retardo

    Another exciting fight scene from the overrated hack director pathetic fan-boys luv to suck. Batman needs a re-boot already. This stuff sucks.

  • Before the internet, people still had to spend time away from home for work, jobs, contracts, tours of duty, and so forth....and the bonds people created were with people who were in their nearest vicinity. Conversations were shared, often over meals or coffee....yet people assumed these people had no importance. They were merely there to help us forget the loneliness we felt as we were away from our loved ones. <p> Yet, when the time of our death approaches, it is these random people we will wonder about. The ones who helped us pass the time while we assumed we were waiting to be with others of greater importance. At least then, before the internet, we had mementos to help us remember them. Photographs, memories...we knew their names for chrissakes. Here...we have none of that. That's part of what keeps us coming back... <p> We share our time and conversations here...have we come back hoping to re-experience that. Sometimes people we've talked to change their names, and don't even tell us, and will conduct an entire conversation as if they had never met us before. It's a betrayal of sorts. But these experiences...this's all real. If you never take the time to meet one another...then at the time of your will feel much more emptiness and longing................

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    everyone has guns but they're fist fighting

    by shaft478

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Yeah, that's right!

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Yeah, that's right. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are now shit movies.<p> You absolute bunch of fucking idiot cunts.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Keep posting stuff like this -

    by timesfool

    And we'll be able to see the film before it even comes out.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    In the context of the film, this will look great...

    by bubcus

    ... this is just a "making of" shot. When we see it on screen after color adjustments and spliced together, it'll be awesome.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Rex Dart II: Eskimo Cop (nt)

    by Triple_J_72

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    It's better than fisting

    by Bobo_Vision

    By making an attempt at humor....I hope to strengthen my bond with the AICN community. If thrown out my comment and contributed to the above pool. <p> Now look at i_max_u_mini and shaft478's comments. shaft478 pretty much posted the same thing i_max_u_mini said. He's showing his solidarity with him. His bond. Those two have just bonded through the power of technology. One shared an idea...the other agreed..... <p> Yet, 40 years from now....will shaft478 and i_max_u_mini remember one another...and remember the solidarity they shared here on this talkback about the video they watched? It's unlikely.

  • In a real fight, you can't be wearing a neck brace. This makes Batman look stiff every time he fights. He makes whole-body turns up and down, or side to side which makes it look unnatural and 'unrealistic'.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Hey, who's that nice looking lady in the checkered jacket?

    by Triple_J_72

    AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!! Jesus Christ! ... Forget I mentioned it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    In 20 years time, Son-of-Quint will be reposting this

    by davidwebb

    in the Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day. And I suspect the same arguments/criticisms will still be doing the rounds.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    You guys are about a week behind

    by bcom77 had this footage up a week ago and 'Bane' in this footage is a stuntman, it's not actually Tom Hardy.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    The reason Nolan went with Hardy for Bane...

    by Gus Van Rant

    Vern Troyer was too busy. Seriously, how the FUCK is Bane going to "Break the Bat" if he is only tall enough to punch him in the balls. With decisions like these, you wonder if Kevin Smith is Nolan's puppet master...FUCK!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    Now there's a familiar face

    by Bobo_Vision

    I remember gus van rant from way back....back to the Script Girl debacle. But years will pass, days will go on...until of us will no longer post here anymore....and the memory of each other will be long forgotten. Life's strange that way.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Bat suit...ribbed for Bane's pleasure...

    by Gus Van Rant

    I mean FUCK...what's next? Introduce Robin but with full blown AIDS? Is that real enough for you?

  • ....I shall take leave. But I leave you with perhaps the greatest music video ever made. This is one to remember. Enjoy, and have a nice day: <p>

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I have just watched roughly 20 seconds of film being shot...

    by AidanJames

    from two hundred yards away and on the basis of this I declare that everyone involved is a hack, every actor they picked is too small, the two movies filmed previous to this in the series were made of shit, the film will bomb horribly, the film itself looks like ass, the script is terrible, Nolan has terrible fashion sense, Christian Bale missed a spot shaving thus ruining the look of Batman's chin, the area surrounding Anne Hathaway has a vaguely fishy odor, and boxing cop # 5 has herpes. Now I'm as cool as all the rest of the talkbackers.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST sir, are a Saint

    by Gus Van Rant

    This board was once a place one could go and yell "TITS OR GTFO!". And now it has been reduced to tomfoolery. We are a dying breed...

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    maybe he will "Break the Butt" ?

    by KilliK

    have you seen Hardy's wang in Bronson.? the guy might not have a huge body,but he definitely has something huge in his body. I feel almost sorry for Bats if Nolan is taking the S&M fetishism route for Bane.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    BANE and Batman are ready to fight.

    by KilliK

    -BANE: Yo Bats. -Batman: What is it Bane? -BANE: I must break you. -Ivan Drago: Hey man,dont steal my lines.Use your own in your movie.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    All the in-motion fighting shots on those steps...

    by American Mythos

    ... show Bane as tall or taller than Batman. Plus there was that teaser that showed Bane stomping toward Batman looking like an absolute behemoth. I think any semi-competent director knows how to shoot scenes to alter someone's height. They've been doing it with Tom Cruise for decades. At the end of the day, I don't think Hardy's height will be an issue, so quit bitching about it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    I support the "haters" and "trolls" on this one


    I really loved BB and TDK. But as a Batman fan I can't support this cheesy Bane or the half-assed Catwoman/Matrix hybrid. After getting the Joker in the previous movie, this is disappointing.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by christpunchers2007

    Try rising your voice at SHH's board or any places like that, you'll roast you for not being a Nolan lover. I still remember when I found out that Anne was going to be Catwoman. The buzz around the net created a list of canidates of who can play the Cat and out of that list, Anne for me was the very very bottom. Very average acting abilities, overhyped beauty, odd looking features that are out of proportions, generally her presence annoys me. Yet once again, Nolan goes for ANOTHER weak female cast. This is the 3rd time, with such a bigger character than Rachel Dawes, and they choose a hollywood's modern version of Julia Roberts. Don't compare Heath to Hathaway. Heath was not praised at all by the public until Brokeback Mountain, and even then he wasn't Hollywood's darling. Anne has been lead by the hand to get to where she is, only because she FITS a certain type of hollywood mold, a certain position in a category, that NEEDS to be filled. I couldn't agree more with this piece:

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Same as in the Pitt/Z thread...Frosty breath?

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    Anyone else ALWAYS notice when a scene set in a snowstorm or freezing temperatures doesn't include characters whose breath freezes as they speak or talk? Totally takes away the immersion...

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    dasheight I never said it will be bad

    by Continentalop

    I just said Bane's costume isn't filling me with confidence. I mean, he's wearing a muzzle: don't you think people have a right to judge and criticize that?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    There's a lot of vulgar shit on these boards. It's not even a real organized forum yet there is a much older crowd that comes on here and many are not gushing fanboys who spend hours making manips and other fanboy devoted activities. Many have valid or at less insightful criticism and they're willing to voice them. AICN, for me, really lives off of its talkbacks.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST


    by Continentalop

    They can probably add that in post with a plug-in. The age we live in...

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    And I agree with how Begins wasn't a difficult movie to make. You basically just had to undo Batman and Robin by just doing the complete opposite. It's not hard. Nolan just gave the public what they haven't seen yet see but it wasn't a move of genius by any stretch.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Actually christpunchers

    by Continentalop

    That link to that article about Anne Hathaway makes me like her even more. I admire people who are smart about their careers, especially in Hollywood. Actors who don't worry about their image and only care about making art don't seem to have very long or good careers. Hathaway just seems to be career conscious like the stars of the Golden Age.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    The bullet fragmentation thing should have been left out and replaced with something more simple. Having artificially complex for the sake of showing some lame sequences of things on a computer screen or a gun shooting at a range don't make for a better movie. The bus sequence after the bank robbery had no sense either. If you watch TDK again, notice how the bus just casually drives off STONE STEPS of a bank and blends into the traffic yet NOT ONE PERSON walking meters away are even looking at the bus or the bank's direction. Yet the cop cars move right in... just in the nit of time. Is that realistic? Or do you not feel when you're watching this that those extras are being TOLD not to look at the bus? It's the same thing with Joker standing in broad daylight holding a mask in his hand before his van picks him up. Sure, he might not have his warpaint on but later at the end of the bank heist, he takes off the mask and reveals his painted face. I doubt he had time to put on his makeup at the bank, it just don't make sense that no one on the street didn't notice shit.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Hey I don't mind Nolan's Batman too, it's flawed but has its moments However Burton took the most risk like you said. B89 in today's eyes is not much but Returns is still the most evenly complex Bat film thus far. It's not an "easy ride" with triumphant heroes and super-evil villains, maybe that's why the general audience could never get behind it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Keaton vs Bale

    by christpunchers2007

    Keaton is nowhere near Bale's built physically but the guy has those crazy eyes and does a much better conflicted Bruce Wayne with subtleties and even better Batman. At least Keaton doens't need to growl to appear menacing. Heck, Keaton doesn't even need to say a single word in the suit to get his message across (like his staredown early on in Returns when he found the Penguin). Can Bale do that? Maybe, but I feel that Bale doesn't "get" his character and just plays him as a tough guy, like Batman is just a stunt person.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST


    by Norman Colson

    I could totally see that... lol. bane's a loan shark and batman is broke...

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Keaton..damn wtf happened to him?

    by KilliK

    a great actor,with an iconic performance as BeetleJuice,becoming a super-star with the Batman movies and then suddenly he vanished.does HW forget its stars that easily?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Ummm why are the DOZENS of police officers not helping??

    by beefywhore

    Gothams finest?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    You fucking morons

    by Ray Gamma

    You wouldn't be happy unless the behind-the-scenes footage actually looked like the finished film. I hate to break this to you folks, but Mark Hamill's hand didn't really get cut off, and Linda Blair didn't really turn her head in a 360 circle, and Michael Ironside's head didn't really explode.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    So Ray Gamma...

    by Continentalop

    That isn't the costume that Bane is going to wear in the movies. Whew. Thanks for clearing that up.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Ok. Don't get me wrong. But..

    by Isaac R.

    ..I'm sorta starting to get a bad feeling about this. Seems to have an "Everything but the kitchen sink " vibe to it. I mean, Catwoman, Bane, Talia, a fucking Adam West cameo?? Almost like they are jamming in everything they can cuz they know it's the last one:-( Hope I'm wrong!!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST

    is this bullshit?

    by paul burnett

    really,? c'mon! every bat film has been shrouded in the topest of non disclosure' an so far... Bane mutheafuckas!! Catwoman you cunts N' now footage muthafuckas i think nolan is shootin false scenes for t'internet.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    I remember...

    by Dranem

    Hearing about the plot and villains for Batman Begins and wondering if it was going to be too much. Never cared much for Sandman, and having Ra's al Ghul was a concern because I thought it was supposed to be more grounded in reality. But lo and behold Batman Begins blew me away, and is still my favorite Batman film to this day (along with the Dark Knight of course). I like how the Ra's al Ghul plot is bookended in this trilogy, I can't think of any comic book movie that has continued a story like that.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    my question is

    by oisin5199

    why would there be a huge brawl between cops and assassins when they both have guns. Did they decide to just do fisticuffs beforehand?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Re: At least Keaton doens't need to growl to appear menacing.

    by golden tribw

    What a stupid thing to say. Bale growls because it hardly makes sense for him to speak in the exact same voice as playboy billionaire Bruce Wayne, given that he doesn't want his identity revealed! It's like having a superman movie where Supes uses his super-speed to don a wig and maybe even a prosthetic nose to differentiate himself from Clark Kent -- because just taking off his glasses and being instantly unrecognizable has always been utterly idiotic.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    This guy could NOT break Robin, let alone the Bat

    by performingmonkey

    What's the deal?? Also, why is this movie coming across as being a lame duck so far? TDK had us frothing at the mouth. TDKR will have us thinking of how lame Bane is as an enemy and WHY Nolan cast Anne Hathaway in a role that requires the actress to be sexy.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Paul Dinis Batman>Burtons or Nolans Batman

    by Jobacca

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST

    For those of you who are complaining that Bane is too short...

    by WeylandYutani

    remember you can force perspective with a camera to add height and size. A good case in point: During the Cloud City lightsaber battles in the Empire Strikes Back, it was fencer Bob Anderson and not the much taller David Prowse who did most of the on-screen fighting as Vader. but even though Anderson is much shorter than Prowse, due to the use of clever camera set ups and forced perspective shots most people have no idea. So I think Nolan did the right thing and cast a strong actor as Bane. My question is why Bane? Is he that great a character in Batman lore (to be honest I have no idea as I stopped collecting comics in the early 90s)? Anyway, perhaps someone in the know can explain what the Road-Warrior-like mast is all about. I think Nolan had great instincts a, but I wonder why he did not do a story with more classic villains like the Riddler as a type of Zodiac/cryptographer or perhaps the Penguin as an arms dealer. I think those characters could have been moulded into more "real" versions for the Nolan-verse. My hope is that Nolan ends up 3 for 3... we will see.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Thank you rebel scumb at least you have a mind of your own and Intelligence

    by Professor_Bedlam

    Thank you rebel scumb you are the first person here that I know of so far that actually knows what there talking about before coming to a conclusion! I don't like it when people say they hate something but can't give a real intelligent response! They just say I hate because it sucked! Really is this the best you can think of in your small mind head people! Again Thank you Rebel scumb for having intelligence in an non intellectual group! And a shout out to ray gamma, bubcus and shaun1138 for realizing what this really is and if I missed anyone else sorry it is sometimes hard to find intelligent comments Amongst so much Shit!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    is this a stick up

    by paul burnett

    is all of this a fake? why end the triology on an underused chararcter,..then again why start on an undersed know what i;m sayin.

  • to be sure

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Are there any sites where people actually like movies?

    by the_scream

    Any place so done can discuss an upcoming film and can, heaven forbid, be excited by it?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Batman vs. Vigilante (Adrian Chase, not the cowboy)

    by seagrass

    In the excellent and underrated Vigilante comic (basically DC's answer to the Punisher), the crossover was pretty much just a one-shot of Batman kicking Vigilante's ass all over the place (well before Adrian became a killer), but I would love to see Nolan's Batman go up against a true vigilante who kills his victims (the Phantasm and Red Hood have served this purpose in the animated world). Towards the end of the Vigilante series, Adrian Chase comes up against another vigilante who is even more extreme than he is - The Homeless Avenger - and the way their conflict played out was extremely well-done. Perhaps this is the role that Bane will play? He takes the place of Batman, but becomes corrupted with power - and Venom, if they use that plot. I suppose you could argue that Nolan already did this with Two-Face, but Harvey didn't really target anyone but those who were involved in Rachel's death.

  • You make Harry Knowles look like William .... Faulkner or Shakespeare, take your pick.


  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST

    -Batman: Yo BANE

    by KilliK

    -BANE: What is it Bats? -Batman: I have fought taller villains than you.HAHA. -BANE: ...asshole....

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Keaton was actually incredible as Batman

    by Nabster

    He played him as a crazy nut. While Bales Batman has rationalised and justified every single reason why he should dress up as a giant rodent. And this is Nolans weakness and strength at the same time. The need to rationalise and explain every single thing to the audience. It plays well to stupid people who need everything explained. But it also sounds kinda cool. I think I'd be able to forgive Nolans batmen films more easily if they atleast had some great action set pieces, or at least some cool moody visuals. Still, TDK was a good film. Not great, or amazing, but solid, and entertaining as a first time watch. But I still think, Batman Returns is far better, certainly for its time.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST


    by Norman Colson

    yeah he's fought taller.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST


    by Norman Colson

    The movie is not even fucking finished!!!! when has chris nolan let us fucking down... Let's critique the movie when it's all fucking done!

  • She may not be your type, she's not mine, but let's not all start pretending that if she was hitting on you, you wouldn't go for it in a hearbeat. I see now the majority of the contrarian crew is just now starting to round the much maligned and insulting Burton Batman's... Perhaps I was off on my original estimation. May be some time yet before they hop back on Nolan's bandwagon. Remember when people used to choose to like or dislike things based on their own personal tastes, and not what other people thought? Yeah, I don't either. I'm also pretty convinced that Subtitles_Off hasn't read a comic in a long, long time... If ever.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Anne hathaway is very fuckable...

    by Norman Colson

    I dont know why... everyone is hating on her. i wished she was a little thicker though... pretty face and nice lips only go so far, she gotta have a phat ass...

  • I believe a lot of people mean what they say when they call her ugly -- but that reflects on them and not on Anne. I've got nothing invested in her and nothing against her; she's a thoroughly innocuous person, so I don't know how anyone could really hate her, but I do have some misgivings about her playing Selina Kyle and Catwoman. At the same time, that doesn't mean I'm going to start raving about how she's a talentless heifer I'd sooner rape a wildebeest than look at.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    attention morons and imbeciles


    90% of us are completely aware that the finished product will look infinitely better than the spy videos. o.k.?

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Thank you Mr. winona_ryders_pussy_juice

    by Continentalop

    I was really getting sick of people repeating that and acting like they were the only ones who know how to make movies.

  • ring around the rosie

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Not too worried about this.

    by Orbots Commander

    We're seeing this from the perspective of a phone cam or small digi-cam, not what a film camera is seeing, and without the benefit of lighting effects and post production, etc. I'm also glad that Hardy was chosen to play Bane, despite his smaller size. As others have said, you can always make him appear larger than he is via various camera tricks and effects. After a great action picture like Inception, I have full faith that Chris Nolan and team know exactly what they're doing. (And Anne Hathaway is great too. Apparently in real life, she's a super sweetheart as well. A couple good friends of mine met her and her girlfriends out a bar/lounge in Manhattan some months ago. I remember I was out of commission with the flu that weekend, aargh!)

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    I thought Nolan was loved and adored

    by CountryBoy

    You people will turn against anyone...

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST


    by Therawbeats

    While I disagree with you 100% in the Breaking Bad thread, you're damn right. Suddenly the new thing to do is hate on Nolan and I don't understand why. I think his filmography is impressive as hell; The Prestige, Inception, BB and TDK rank among some of my favorite movies. I mean, how many badass original movies come out nowadays? A Nolan film is guaranteed entertainment. I don't care how any of this shit looks in the glances we're getting, I'm excited as hell for this movie.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    when people get to the height of power....

    by Norman Colson

    THEY WILL ALWAYS TURN ON YOU... that is the natural order of things....

  • So magical....all you guys joined together by your love and passion for films...and art. It's really great. Opening yourselves up to criticism yet still marching forward as you expose yourselves and your ideas to the scrutiny of the world...yet you do so out of your passion for cinema. It's marvelous. I've got goosebumps.

  • He certainly hasn't read many Bat comics. He's proven that time and time again.

  • AICN is like the the Pony Express or Carrier Pigeon of movie news. They'll put up the scoop but it may take them a few weeks or months. I have got to stop coming to this fucking site. Well, I just come to it belittle these cunts who work anyway. Harry, Beaks, Nordling, Capone, Quint, and the whole crew are full of so much shit its not even funny.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Hathaway is gorgeous

    by Mattman

    Pics of her as Selina are up:

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    I agree with you Nordling - "It's getting pretty difficult to avoid spoilers." Because you put them in the titles that everyone sees when they look at the front page!

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:14 p.m. CST

    this movie


    looks retarded

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:28 p.m. CST

    the diffrence between a legit gripe and being a douche bag..

    by sonnyhooper a very thin line. some of the assholes here have a hard time seeing that line. they bring their personal baggage here and make it everyones problem. <p> for example, i hate the godfather movies because..... well..... lets just say, i personally know people that make don corleon look like pee wee herman. so needless to say, shit like the godfather makes me puke, because it glamorizes mob scum. say what you want it really does make it glamorus. so, i have a legit gripe against the films, but its on a personal level, so i don't wear it like a fucking badge of honor. <P> you cocksuckers who rail against nolan's vision because its not "your cup of tea" need to chill the fuck out and deal with the fact that you are a vocal minority. maybe move on with your pathetic lives. for fucks sakes try to put the time and energy you put into hating these movies into getting laid. maybe you wont be such useless cunts then. <p> im just saying.....some of you twats need to get a grip.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Raj and muzzle.

    by Mark

    The only reason I can think for the muzzle is that they have more than one flower up there in the wilderness, maybe instead of a drug that is injected it's one of Ra's flowers that has gives a person much greater power? Mark

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Raj and muzzle.

    by Mark

    The only reason I can think for the muzzle is that they have more than one flower up there in the wilderness, maybe instead of a drug that is injected it's one of Ra's flowers that has gives a person much greater power? Mark

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Impressive number of stuntmen

    by Teddy Artery

    in one shot. I have complete confidence in the Nolans. If anyone can create a satisfactory ending to this trilogy, it's them.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST

    He reminds me of Commander Croc from G.I. Joe.

    by sweeneydave

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    Batman calls Superman about making a bet.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Deciding Alfred was right, Bruce calls Clark at the Planet. Hello, Clark Kent here. Clark, Bruce. Bruce! Look ... er, this isn't really the place. Clark, calm down, the line is secure. Batphone, remember? I'm calling because I need your help with something. Sure Bruce, anything. Anything legal I mean. I have lawyers, Clark, who can make anything legal. Well now Bruce you know that's not true. You can't make murder legal, for example. My dear naive friend, with the right lawyers Charles Manson himself would walk away. Anyway I didn't call you to talk philosophy. Or maybe I did in a way. Look, Clark, do you think we do anyone any good, really? What? Bruce, are you feeling all right? Sure Clark, but I'm serious. What have we ever really done for people? Well, last month I defeated Brainiac and, um - And Lex again. Sure, Clark, I know. And you'll keep right on defeating them. But how does defeating them really help anyone? You surprise me, Bruce. You know if those power hungry egomaniacs get control of our country they'll reduce it to a totalitarian regime. That's kind of my point, Clark. It is already a totalitarian regime. Oh, the Internet is free and so on. But you know the fact of wealth polarisation. Even better than you do, Bruce. X-ray vision and super hearing ... I know it's tough for people today. So that's why I'm calling. I think we should do something about it. Like what? Well, Clark, what do we do when a supervillain gets control of some important part of the country. We hand them over to the police, of course. What if the police are corrupt? And the courts? And the government? What if the wealthy have bought them all to start a new age of Kings? Keep thinking, Bruce, that's what you're good at. But let's say you're right. Okay, what then? I'm not killing them all, if that's what you're thinking. Nothing so blunt, Clark. But it is time to literally redistribute the wealth. And that's why I'm calling you. You see I'm going to set up some options on behalf of every person below the poverty line. These options will bet against the insider trading that has been institutionalised and automated by Goldman Sachs and the Plunge Protection Team on behalf of the secret Kings. So? You've got the money to do that. Where do I come in? It's not my money I'm redistributing. Or rather it is mine, and all the money of the other Kings. I can't simply bet against them, even as a market maker, because their systems would notice it and capitalise on it. The market is clever like that. But even the most sophisticated market systems can't win against someone who can see into the future. I can't do that, Bruce. I can only see through walls. You can fly faster than light, Clark. Backwards in time. Ah, here you are now. Huh? What? Just a moment Bruce. Clark, this is Clark. Please use your super-hearing to verify that I'm you. Oh. Oh, okay. Yes, you're me. Hi. Hi. Now listen carefully. Bruce is emailing a list of equities and derivatives. You're going to pick up charts of all their movements over a 24 hour period and then fly back to here and now. Give them to him. Well, I don't know, I'm going to have to think about that ... Of course you are. Take as long as you like. I did. You'll see Bruce is right. There you go, Bruce. Now, Clark, don't worry about anything - I'm going to go have a nice sleep on the dark side of the moon until you're ready to become me. I won't disturb anything. Then when you fly back to here you'll be me and I'll pick up where you leave off. Clear? Oh, er, okay, I guess. Say, would you put Bruce back on? Of course. And, trust me, by the time you become me, you'll know this is the only way for us. Okay, me. Bye. Bruce? Yeah, it's Bruce again. Feeling okay, Clark? My head's spinning but I think so. What now Bruce? Now I have some trades to arrange and you have some thinking to do. My trades won't execute until after you've made up your mind. Until then, don't take any green kryptonite nickels! As a comedian, Bruce, you make a good crime fighter ...

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:01 p.m. CST

    lots of bald dudes.

    by Bunger!

    all I'm sayin

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Not feeling the Publicity shot of Hathaway as Catwoman...

    by conspiracy

    Don't get me wrong...I'd lick yesterdays Ham Hocks and Beans off her pert pink Pooper; but the night vision goggles and not sexy enough outfit leave me a bit cold. The Costume REALLY needs some fucking ears and lots more Cat Toe.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Nolan's Batman kills too!

    by cgih8r

    Remember in Begins where he refuses to chop the prisoner's head off? so what does he do? He blows the place up killing a shit load of ninjas instead. Then he pancakes police cars and blows them off the road into horrible accidents all of which could easily result in fatalities. In the Dark Knight he may have killed that garbage truck driver he slammed into the ceiling with his tumbler (we'll never know) and then of course in the end he saves the Joker and kills Harvey Dent. What a hippocrite. I like Tim Burton's Batman because he kills when he has too just like any good cop would have to be prepared to do to save someone. It's funny when you compare 1989 Batman to TDK in both films Batman charges the joker. In the original Batman fires everything he has at the Joker from his Batwing even tho he misses, and the Joker shoots him down and forces him to crash. And in TDK Batman charges the joker on his Batpod then has a sudden identity crisis and can't do it so crashes himself into a truck WEAK! Burton's Batman was so much more badass, He actually bled & got dirty when he fought, and when he drove the Batmobile with Vicky Vale he hardly ever said a word. In Batman Begins he can't shut up! You've been poisoned! Breath Slowly! Hold on! Hold on! Just Hold on! Short Cut! RACHEL!!! Geez I miss the old school.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Laugh at me all you want for saying this but...

    by bcom77

    I think Dwayne "the rock" Johnson could've made for an alright Bane. The dude is huge and given the chance, can pull of some decent acting. I'm just putting that out there. I like Tom Hardy but I still don't know if I'm sold on a Bane that's not bigger than batman.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 1:03 a.m. CST

    cgih8r, regarding Two Face's death

    by Mattman

    When it came down to Gordon's kid or Two Face, obviously he's going to go for the kid. He slammed into them because there was a 50% chance Two Face was going to shoot the kid. He obviously didn't mean to knock them off the roof. It wasn't exactly an ideal situation. Burton's Batman isn't a bad ass... he's a coldblooded vigilante with magical strength despite being a stunted actor with no muscles. Sticking dynamite in a clown's crotch and then grinning is not heroic. It's sadistic (sure, I get a laugh out of it... but that doesn't justify it).

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 1:42 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Who cares if the film is popular or not. People should have the right to analyze a movie. Nobody hates Nolan or his films, that would be too strong of a word. It's just critiques and personal tastes.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 1:46 a.m. CST


    by rahtard

    I'm not laughing. He looks more like Bane than a 5'2 pasty Britt.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 1:48 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Don't be ignorant. I said orchestrated because it just odds to have an even number of cops and robbers duking it out with bare fists when both sides have guns. Nothing like that ever happens in reality. Of course this is just a comic book movie and it's just one scene being filmed that's far from post-productions. But I'm just thinking out loud based on what I've seen, and if I'm not impressed why can't I say so?

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 1:53 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Thank you for some common sense. Again, nobody is hating on this film based off some random footage but it just seems odd to have Bane and Batman going at it in daylight in the middle of a contrived looking riot. I'm sure it'll all make better sense when we know the full story.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 2 a.m. CST

    Nolan's no killing policy

    by christpunchers2007

    Makes Batman a more complicated character but at the end of the day, all his actions are for nothing because the bad guys will still walk the earth when the law can be corrupted. He's doing all that work perhaps to make himself feel satisfied that he's trying but he's not truly dedicated enough to cross that barrier. Batman is just another chain in the link, a freak of nature in the long list of freaks. If we were to just look at things from this angle, I think the Joker is ten folds more effective than Batman in solving issues. Joker will kill without a second thought. Sure he's the "bad guy" but maybe his level of "evil" is necessary in order to cleanse Gotham.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 2:01 a.m. CST

    by christpunchers2007

    It's like having the tools to capture a bad guy, patting yourself on the back for doing so, hoping for the best but still nonetheless leaving the responsibility to enact punishment for someone else... it's just the easy way out.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 2:11 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Yep, I agree that making the Waynes' murderer anonymous would give Bruce's path much more depth. It's like an itch that can't be scratched.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Dent as Gotham's White Knight

    by christpunchers2007

    What makes TDK fall apart sometimes is how little I felt Gotham's appreciation and admiration for Dent. He's in the courts putting criminals away but what made him different than any other member of justice? He's still just one dude that can be replaced. continentalop is right, no one is going to care that Dent went nutso and ain't squeaky clean, he'll just be another victim on the Joker's list. Your average citizen isn't going to mourn about morals, Gothamites aren't angels themselves.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 2:30 a.m. CST

    =when has chris nolan let us fucking down...=

    by KilliK


  • Aug. 8, 2011, 2:34 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Hahaha, you crack me up. That's some serious shit though, about the bonds people create with anonymous folks over the internet.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Now we know why Nolan shakes his camera

    by CuervoJones

    He does not want us to see that crappy choreography.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 2:45 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Keaton changed his voice slightly in the suit, but it wasn't overdone like Bale's.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 3:08 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Interesting take. I too question what happened to that truck driver who got slammed into the ceiling. But if Nolan was asked he would probably say that the dude lived, just so his Batman continues his no-killing policy. I'm not sure if I remember right but I don't recall anybody dying when Bruce blew up the ninja training camp. I'd assume that because they were tetragrammaton-level-ten-ninjas, they'd have what it takes to GTFO when shits about to blow up. And that would what Bruce was counting on; it was not his intention to kill anybody, all he wanted to do is to flee and go back to Gotham. Having Batman charge against Joker then at the last moment choosing not to kill him and ending up crashing unconcious is a bit over-dramatic. But I guess that's a must to level up the tension. I'd expect the cunning Batman to plan things out ahead of time and not get himself into a position where Joker could easily shoot Bat's head off. But that's just a personal gripe.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 3:17 a.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Maybe that's the "genius" of Nolan. He's able to weave scenes together in TDK even though the entire flow of the story has too many bumps and jumps. The first time I saw the movie, I was blown away and able to ignore them. But subsequent viewings made me question some of the plot's logic. Again, I think I still owe the initial magic to Heath. He made TDK what it is, Nolan was just wise or perhaps lucky enough to have picked him. The rest of the cast pretty much phoned in their performances.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Dont forget that Batman killed Ras

    by KilliK


  • Aug. 8, 2011, 5:13 a.m. CST


    by CuervoJones

  • that Batman has found an antidote to the venom, so Bane can't pump up anymore. Or it could just be that Nolan is using Verne Troyer as his inspiration for the character.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 6:57 a.m. CST

    This behind the scenes shit...

    by John silly movies really are. Grown men dressed as rubber bats playfighting in fake snow. FFS grow up.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 7:02 a.m. CST

    TDK discussion = nerd rage

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    As far as nerd rage goes, TDK is at the top of the list, critically acclaimed, financially succesful, a mention of Nolan or Batman and out comes the overly critical comments. Whilst not in the same league as Asi and his JJ Abrams rage (no one is), subs seems to be competiting for the guy who is most likely to be stabbing a Voodoo doll of Nolan.

  • Cocaine. Helluva drug... But seriously, if you were given some drug that blocked pain, allowed you to feel more aggressive and gave you the ability to gain more muscle mass, well you'd be a) a star athlete and/or b) a full-blown criminal. This is what we are, people!

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST

    It's mostly footage of them REHEARSING a fight scene

    by Jarrete Barnett

    What the fuck do you expect to be "impressed" about?? Although I'll admit, the extras do look like they're flailing around like Rock 'Em Sock 'Em robots. Come to think of it... maybe these extras are trying to SABOTAGE this movie!!!

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 8 a.m. CST


    by Astronut

    Say it.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Spoiler in the headline maybe?

    by Dolmes

    Just a thought.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Say it.

    by Astronut

    SAYYY IT!!!!!!

  • It's called filmmaking, you stupid fuck. On camera it will look great. See, they have this thing called editing... Now I think I finally figured out, roughly, how old you are, viggeo. Can't be more than 15, 16...?

  • The magic gets lost when we see it done. Spoilers ruin the moviegoing experience, but suckers like me can't resist them.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    same ol' shit

    by wrx

    Hey if you dont like Nolan's take on Batman, don't go see it. He's earned the benefit of the doubt. i enjoyed both movies and this one will get my time and money sight unseen. If it's not the greatest thing ever, which it actually has a chance to be, life will go on. I love movies and comics and movies about comics. I'm gonna root for them all, because i remember when we had none of this shit. As for everyone bashing on TDK, just leave it alone, ignore it and move on. it's like some of you can't rest until you convince everyone that they can't like something that you don't. I don't give a lot of time to shit i don't like, and i certainly don't go to fucking message boards to talk about shit i don't enjoy.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    There's a lot of angry bitches in this ...

    by Lamerz

    Fucking pussies.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    I am a lifelong ally of Subs

    by YackBacker

    I would kill a unicorn if it meant I could feed my friend a proper meal. But I diverge from my friend with the Nolan Batman movies because I truly enjoy them. His criticisms are completely valid. The plot holes, the uneven interpretations of the characters, etc. are all on the table. But in terms of hitting my movie G-spot, I love and appreciate the Nolan Batman movies. Subs, I hug you, brother. But I have to say what I'm sayin'... (double-hug).

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by Anthrax

    The popularity of The Dark Knight is only pertinent when dealing with career contrarians like Viggeo and Subs. They don't like Dark Knight specifically BECAUSE it's popular, not because they have any legitimate gripe against the film. And that's where my problem lies. I liked the movie, although I'm far from either side of the spectrum most seem to find themselves on. Does it have flaws? Of course... Show me a movie that doesn't. Critiquing movies is fine, when it's actually constructive, and not attempted elitist whining or loaded with a bunch of personal baggage. People like Vaggeo and Subsy don't whine about Dark Knight because they actually have some new or interesting or even pertinent criticisms to share, but because they think it puts them above the masses. If you want to start picking apart the movie that's fine. Although nothing has been said critically of the film that hasn't been said about a million times here. Doesn't really matter, the sheep on both sides made their minds up a while ago, and none of them want to risk actually being honest with themselves. People aren't saying they don't like Nolan or his movies? You need to pay more attention to this thread and others.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I wonder how many plot holes this one will have?

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    viggeo_morgenstein, exactly

    by Billy_D_Williams

    In 30 years TDK will be seen as nothing more than a fanboy hyped flawed piece of filmmaking...I mean, how many people today, other than fanboys are talking about this movie??? Not many, and if they do, they talk about Ledger dying because the Joker role was too intense for him or some shit. Ledger's performance was pretty much the only genuinely extraordinary thing about that movie...but one great performance does not save a mediocre film. The other films you mentioned hold up because they're genuinely great movies. They don't have more plot holes than a slice of swiss cheese like TDK. They don't wear their messages on their sleeves and present them in hamfisted, ridiculous ways. I find the whole phenomenon of TDK to be a symptom of the greater illness of today's hollow filmmaking, it's mostly a showy type of thing, without much depth or lasting value, much like cotton candy. It's pretty, tastes good, but dissolves the instant it hits your tongue, is not good for you, and will give you a stomach ache. But fanboys eat it up.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Welcome to the club, Billy_D.

    by Anthrax

    Viggeo and Subs should have a sweet red Members Only jacket and some mustache wax waiting for you. Boy, you guys are really showing those mindless sheep what's what... How elite... Contrarian hipsters... Assemble!

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    so...we're elite hipsters for pointing out obvious flaws in a movie?

    by Billy_D_Williams

    you TDK fanboys really need to get a grip on reality.

  • Yeah? Okay, then! I would like to bitch about a movie that I actually DID see last night, "Transformers: Dark of the Moon". Wow. Now THAT was a piece of crap movie! (Thank god I didn't pay for it!) Man, if that piece of garbage can make a billion dollars, and haters are screaming about the quality of TDK and a Batman movie they haven't even seen yet, I really don't even know what to say... (Other than, "Get a fucking clue, dumbasses!"

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Who says Ras al Ghul is dead?

    by Zardoz

    After all, we never saw his body at the end of "Batman Begins". He could have survived, and be horribly broken/dis-figured. I think that it's more than likely the case...

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Bane better get bigger that is all.

    by SID 8.0

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Subs made this TB his bitch

    by riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    Lol....Viggeo, you are such a blatant kiss ass it's not even funny. It's kind of sad. Yea, making a TB your "bitch" is a real accomplishment, I am sure he will brag to his friends what he did. Something to be proud of. You guys crack me up, this need to feel superior amongst strangers is so sad. But, that's your M.O. so run with it, I just don't get it. That all being said, TDK is a flawed film, I have always said that. I love the morons who basically dismiss the flaws, or waste time trying to explain them. I'm sorry, there is NO WAY the Joker could have gotten so many barrels of explosives on those ferryboats without getting noticed. No way he was able to buy off that many cops, or have such an extensive network that he could basically do anything he wanted, anytime, anywhere. I still enjoyed the film a lot, but I get sick of people saying how it is perfect. It's not.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    No, Billy_D

    by Anthrax

    You're elitist hipsters not because you're pointing out obvious flaws with a film, but because you're picking at a movie solely because the majority of the people who saw it loved it. How is that so hard to understand? The people that insist they're supplying legitimate criticism for the film are nitpicking at it like hens. It can be done for any movie ever made, including the ones you love. What, exactly, is the point? There are two great ironies here. One is that I would bet dollars to donuts that you and your buddies Subsy and Viggeo were there on opening night for Dark Knight, and you more than likely walked out of the theater loving what you saw. Nobody who genuinely disliked the film or had a legit problem with it cite the issues that the babies crying for some attention cite. The other is that with such earnest and devoted efforts, the Contrarian Club has become exactly what they're trying so hard to pretend to fight against.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    bane's height and my thoughts on TDKR

    by seasonsix

    first off, people are complaining that bane isnt huge, but seriously! did you really think gandalf was that much taller than frodo in LOTR? did you really think hagrid was that much bigger than the kids in Harry Potter? Of course not, people. Fuckin A, how tall Tom Hardy is does not matter. Nolan isn't going to A) write off on a wimpy Bane and B) not going to film the best/important scenes in broad daylight where anyone with a camera can get the frickin scoop. I expect TDKR to have all hell break loose. This film should establish the Batman universe as an ongoing oppression of villians in Gotham - Shit better get real this time around. In a 'realistic' universe, bad guys aren't gonna take turns to step up against batman. Last time around, we get the Joker - the archetypal villian - to be the first 'villian'. This time around, we get Bane, Talia al Ghul, Catwoman, who knows what else (JGL??). Expect more, people. Batman's gonna have it coming from all sides from here on out now that the Joker paved the way.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    and batman returns

    by seasonsix

    was one of my favorites when it came out, now i can't sit through it. try it - i dare you, the whole movie is danny devito giving the performance of a lifetime - and i think keaton shows up in costume for a cumulative 9 minutes.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    This is gonna bomb


    its only gonna make 300 million

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    lol... someone is actually agreeing with Viggo.... haha


    TDK will be remembered as a flawed movie that was over hyped by fan boys? Does a "fanboy" type "geek" film normally gross 500 mil? Or closer to 40 million like say, Scott Pilrim. Anyways. OBVIOUSLY TDK was a massive pop culture phenomenom. When Conan O'Brian, for example, recently was setting up a joke about this leaked footage he showed on his show, the audience went into loud, excited applause when The Dark Knight Rises was mentioned. And no, it wasn't the 'Applause' prompt. Any of you Batman nerds ever go to a Conan O'Brian show? Since when is his audience comprised of overzealous Batman fan boys? You're so fucking full of shit lol. The Dark Knight is an instant classic, and will stay that way.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    =excited applause when The Dark Knight Rises was mentioned.=

    by KilliK

    he could mention Pam Anderson's boobs and the audience would have applauded as well.your argument fails.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    anthrax, you're an idiot...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    You're elitist hipsters not because you're pointing out obvious flaws with a film, but because you're picking at a movie solely because the majority of the people who saw it loved it.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    computer screwed up my response, more later...

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 7:35 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    That's true. Other than Joker, I'm finding that TDK doesn't hold up. It has a few cool visuals but it has many plot holes. I like certain parts like the parking lot sequence, probably because it's quick, to the point, without any chance of failing victim to plotholes. I thought the HK fight scenes were terrible. The final tango between Joker and Batman and the decisions that Gothamites had to make was very exciting. But you take away the Joker and some of these action pieces, you're left with a very boring Harvey Dent, who is supposed to be the most important backbone of the whole movie. TDK is too uneven.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    I'd still like to know

    by christpunchers2007

    From all you Bat-fans out there, please explain to me the chronology of Gordon's fake-death. Did he just so happen to get shot in public THEN thought it might be his chance to learn Joker out into the open by faking his death? Or did he know that Joker was targeting him (but not knowing exactly when the attack will occur) and if he survives, he'll go into hiding? To me, it's just shit that happened on screen. Maybe I'm dense but I'm not getting any clues as to when or how Gordon began to think "outside the box".

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    I loved TDK when I saw it the first time. It was only after the initial excitement worn off, I went back to rewatch it critically (AFAIK, Nolan likes to craft his films to require multiple viewings). It was then and there that I thought the movie was uneven and left a lot of questions hanging (IE: Batman doesn't kill but he's willing to take the chance in squashing the old dude driving the dump truck, reminds me of the tumbler driving over a cop car in BB).

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Bane looks like Moody's friend Mike from My Bodyguard

    by Crimson Dynamo

    you know the "is this your tough chain? is this your tough magazine?" guy

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 11:54 p.m. CST

    my argument fails?


    Lol that was just one, minor example. I noticed that the applause was stronger than normal, there was one woman going nuts over it. There is no argument. TDK is a classic film, lol, it's done and put into the history books.

  • Aug. 9, 2011, 1:50 a.m. CST

    it does look goofy without editing

    by Winston Smith

    That's why the shots are all handheld and such. Cutting is everything... though in the chase scene of DK, well, that was a much different action Nolan than the rest of his stuff. Very assured, clean shots.

  • Aug. 9, 2011, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Does a "fanboy" type "geek" film normally gross 500 mil?

    by Winston Smith

    Guys... Batman is popular. TWO Batman films have been box office and pop culture phenomena for their times. Burton's first and Nolan's second both broke records, and sold very close to the same amount of tickets, and both had a big effect on the zeitgeist. Batman has never just been a nerd property. But popularity doesn't = quality, nor does it mean that something must suck. That's irrelevant. Shakespeare's popular. Twilight's popular.

  • Aug. 9, 2011, 1:58 a.m. CST

    What I really don't get...

    by catlettuce4

    Is that thing on Bane's head supposed to be LESS silly than what he wears in the comics, etc? Is it more realistic? What's the logic?

  • Aug. 9, 2011, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Twilight is rated 5.4 out of 10 at IMDB


    The Dark Knight is rated 8.9 Batman 89 is 7.6 The Matrix is 8.7 The Godfather 9.2 Transformers 7.2 I'm seeing a pattern here.

  • Aug. 9, 2011, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Twilight is 27% at Rotten Tomatoes


    The Dark Knight 94% Batman 89 is 71% The Matrix 87% The Godfather 100% Transformers 57%

  • Aug. 9, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Yes, thanks christpunchers2007

    by Billy_D_Williams

    Computer fucked my response to anthrax and im too lazy to retype it bc it was lengthy and did address all of his (stupid) points. Like Christpunch said, This movie falls apart when watched a second or third time, not much of it makes sense, like the Gordon faking his death motivation/houdini like foresight, Batman's flip-flopping morality (which was a problem in Begins as well), fat guy with cell phone in his stomach with BEYOND PERFECT timing, the school busses, Joker's houdini/impossible entrance to Wayne's party, and so on and so on...sorry folks, it's not a classic, The Bridge on the River Kwai, 2001, E.T., Citizen Kane, The Godfather, There Will Be Blood, etc do no fall apart with multiple viewings, the internal logic of those films is solid, coupled with the brilliant storytelling, technique, acting, visuals, script, etc qualifies them as classics...unfortunately most fanboys who love TDK are younger than 30, grew up in the MTV flash-bang to distract from the shoddy internal logic/storytelling and cannot tell a genuine classic from a phony one.

  • Aug. 10, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    You guys need to relax.

    by SunTzu77

    This is the unglamorous part of filmmaking. There's a 5 second shot - then 15 minutes of standing around for the next one. As far as acting... I would be too concerned around Bane/Hardy... I'd be moreso concerned about Catwoman.

  • Aug. 10, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    *I wouldn't be too concerned - Bleh long day.

    by SunTzu77