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Tim Burton’s Planet of the Apes is a very frustrating movie for me. It has a great cast including Tim Roth, Paul Giamatti, Glen Shadix, Kris Kristofferson, David Warner, Michael Clarke Duncan and a great cameo by Charlton Heston and some of Rick Baker’s most amazing make-up work, which is saying a whole lot.

But the humans in the movie… Good God, the humans! Estella Warren almost single-handedly kills the movie and Mark Wahlberg turned on his big-budget bland lead levels to 11.

Burton’s movie is all over the place, but I can’t hate it for two reasons: Tim Roth’s performance and Rick Baker’s make-up. Roth is on another level here and there are just some really fun performances from a great collection of character actors… but that’s not enough to overcome how crappy the rest of the movie is at the end of the day.

But since we have Rise hitting today, let’s look at the last attempt to reboot and appreciate how good we have it this weekend! Here’s Tim Burton and the great Paul Giamatti!



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  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    I'd like it more if...

    by wuher da brewer

    the ending made one bit of sense.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Having said that, Estella Warren WAS purrty...

    by TheSeeker7

    in fact, what the hell ever happened to her? That girl was the very goddamn embodiment of sexy, and with epic DSL's.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Don't pretend Giamatti was one of the GOOD parts.

    by ROBRAM89

    I love him but his character in this was basically Jar-Jar of the Apes.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Here's "Tim Burto"?

    by The Bear

    Must be his nickname. Couldn't possibly be a typo. "Planet of the Apes" has the same problem as all of Tim Burton's movies: they look great, but the stories always meander and don't make a lick of sense. Oh, and his elimination of all the chorus parts from "Sweeney Todd" just about ruined the entire thing.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST

    I've yet to read an explantion of that ending

    by JRcanReid

    that makes any goddamn sense. Anyone???

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:32 p.m. CST

    People who didn't "get" the ending are idiots.


    The ending was pretty self explanatory. It just wasn't very good

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:34 p.m. CST

    RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, however, is CHOPPAH-approved.


    Get thee to the cinema, CHOPlings!

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    yeah, i'd bang estella warren

    by mick vance

    she was the best thing about driven, but helena bonham carter in her ape makeup did something to my then high school body that i can't define. as for the ending, here's my take: the script writers got to 4:45 on a friday afternoon and had the script finished except the final scene. some dumbass walks by and goes, "what if it's earth, but like ape-earth." "brilliant! let's go get drunk," said the writers...

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST

    It looked like Tim Roth

    by MonkMayfair

    was the only one who bothered to research how a chimp actually moves. I had this same conversation earlier today; Roth and the make-up, the only saving features.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:46 p.m. CST

    "Burto"'s remake was fine

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Wahlberg was dull, but the rest of the film worked for me. Baker's makeup and Danny Elfman's score were superb, and the ape actors were all clearly having fun. And the "nonsensical" ending A.) makes sense if you're paying the slightest bit of attention (General Thade must have repaired the remaining time pod and travelled back to Earth at an eariler point than Wahlberg. Hey, it's every bit as plausible as Cornelius and Dr. Zira repairing the time pod and flying back to 1979's San Franciso in Escape From The Planet Of The Apes), and B.) gets points for leaving the hero utterly and hoplessly screwed.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Mark Walberg

    by Redmantle

    Was terrible in this movie. I liked the apes. But man, I just didn't buy that Marky-mark had the intelligence needed to be an astronaut. Mark doesn't seem like a smart guy- or least, none of his characters seem too bright. He's good at playing not too bright dudes, or uneducated people- an astronaut? Never.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:49 p.m. CST

    I was expecting a totally different story with Burton's film...

    by little_lebowski

    Somehow, I had gotten the impression that his version of the film was going to be an alternate timeline to the originals, with things having been changed after the Ape's reached modern Earth in "Escape". That probably would have been cooler.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Music, makeup, Roth, Duncan.

    by UltraTron

    Those were fine. But the rest can go smoke a monkey bong

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 9 p.m. CST

    This movie sucks.

    by fustfick

    Yeah, the makeup is great. And Heston Ape's deliriously over the top an anti-gun speech is kind of funny (considering his involvement with the NRA). But, man. This movie really sucks.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Ape Lincoln. Forgot about that.

    by UltraTron

    Thade right? Yeah. Uh. Go fuck yourself Tim Burton. Use killing the joker in the first movie to ram it home. Add a little sideways thrust from casting mr(prosthetic jaw he's so fucking miscast) mom. Then gargle ape Lincoln's load. But I love you forever for Ed Wood so don't take it so hard

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST the face. You need that to maybe make a good movie again.

    by UltraTron

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Are we certain this isn't a Harry Knowles set visit pic?

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    I'm not convinced it isn't.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST

    cotton_mcknight, Harry didn't spoil the ending

    by Dreamwriter

    I just looked up his rant; he said absolutely nothing about the ending. At worst you could say that he clarified that what Drudge said was the movie's ending, which Drudge didn't come out and say. But unless you read Drudge's article (or the talkbacks), Harry's rant gave nothing away at all.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Estella Warren...on Celebrity Rehab...

    by zinc_chameleon

    pretty soon. She got busted for a DUI, crashing her tiny trendy car into another tiny trendy car. She'll have to do community service; so I guess she'd be available for weddings and bar mitzvahs.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Worst Movie Ever

    by Chaykin

    For the budget this film had, and the supposed talent involved, this was the biggest piece of shit ever made. Excluding Rick Baker, Tim Roth and the opening title sequence of course. I'm certain this garbage even had Ed Wood turning over in his grave. Ironic indeed, considering the sheer brilliance of Burton's 'Ed Wood'. POTA remake/reimagining is worse than... 'Warlock 2', 'Mans Best Friend', 'Reefer Madness', 'Scream 3', any 'Leprachaun' film, any Madonna or Guy Ritchie movie, 'Gigli', 'Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes', 'Jaws: The Revenge', 'Chopping Mall', 'Battlefield Earth', 'Piranha 2: The Spawning', 'Howard The Duck', 'The Room', 'Goonies 2', 'Mannequin 2', 'Great White', 'Ishtar', 'Hercules' with Lou Ferrigno, 'Hercules Goes Bananas' with Arnold Schwarzenegger, any Pauly Shore movie, 'The Postman' and 'Waterworld', 'The Wicker Man' remake, 'White Chicks', 'Norbit', 88 Minutes' and on and on and fucking on!

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST


    by George

    In her defense, it would be pretty hard not to stink when you're a rotten toothed skank with the personality of a festered dishcloth. If she weren't married to burton, she would likely be stuck playing the character she appears to play all the time in real life, Messy & Homeless train wrecks

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 10:37 p.m. CST

    chaykin: damn great argument!

    by UltraTron

    I'm putting your choices up against it in terms of entertainment value and it's a tough call. I think Catwoman and the new day the earth stood still beat it pretty handily though. Screw Batman and Robin- the day the earth stood still remake literally just runs out of budget and ends. It's the biggest piece of shit of all time no question.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Blown opp!!

    by maxjohnson1971

    I remember hearing about a re-make of POTA and hearing that Burton was doing it and thinking "Awesome!! SOMEONE is gonna make the movie and he has some talent and hopefully, he'll follow the book!!" How wrong I was. What a fuckin' letdown that movie was. Maybe, just MAYBE, with Rise getting good reviews and all, a sequel can be done and it can follow the original book. Man, I'll die before I see that on screen.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 11:25 p.m. CST

    I bet Harry loved it!

    by Neil

    It probably reminded him of his childhood, as a young ape.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Planet of the Apes remake is bush league worst movie ever

    by successor

    There are far worse films than that one. Just try Monster's a Go-Go. That film makes POTA '01 look like Citizen Kane. Or try Supergirl. Or you could also try Heaven's Gate, Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever, The Happening, Robot Monster, Supernova. And if you really want to scrape the bottom of the barrel, just try some of the films that the Cinema Snob reviews. You'll be running back to the Apes remake with hugs and kisses.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    I really liked it

    by CherryValance

    but I viewed it as a sequel to all the other movies and shows. Meaning all that stuff happened but this happened last and with all the time travel and whatnot I think it works. But what do I know?

  • It just changed the whole dichotomy, and not in a good way.

  • but the ending was so bad that I cant stand watching it again.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 12:06 a.m. CST

    I never thought it was that bad

    by dukeroberts

    I liked Tim Roth. He was amazing in it. Rick Baker's make-up was incredible. How the two of them didn't get nominated for Oscars for it I don't know. Mark Wahlberg was not the best choice, but I thought his motivation was realistic. He just wanted to get home. He didn't really care about freeing the other people. Estella Warren. I don't remember her acting in the movie, but I do remember her looking hot as shit. What I didn't like was the talking humans, like in the remake of The Time Machine. It made it just a little too convenient that they could speak English. I guess that had to dumbed down for modern audiences. I also didn't care for Paul Giamatti or Helena Bonham Carter. She creeped me out. She looked like Michael Jackson. I could take or leave the ending. It makes sense in a sci fi movie. "Ape Linkoln". Tee hee.

  • Get educated or get the fuck out.

  • That's Burton's Apes movie for me. Silly characters in a silly setting trying to act moody and serious. The only redeeming character/actor was Tim Roth, and that was it. And while the ending was rooted in the novel, it felt tacked on and dumb. It's like Burton really wanted to one-up the Statue of Liberty ending with something "shocking" but ended up with something silly and confusing.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Rick Baker should have gotten an Oscar for this!

    by Drunken Busboy

    No question the makeup in this movie blew the original series stuff away and that is saying a lot.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 1:01 a.m. CST


    by Drunken Busboy

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 1:03 a.m. CST

    "Ape" Lincoln Wasn't Original Ending In Book!!

    by Drunken Busboy

    That was Kevin Smith's invention! The original ending in the original book was that the Astronaut that finds Taylor's logs was an Ape all along. The Ape Astronaut found it silly the thought of a human being able to talk and have the technology to fly in space.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 1:19 a.m. CST


    by Chaykin

    I certaintly can't argue against your choices. But I still can't help but think that the POTA remake is the greatest wasted opportunity in celluloid history. I've never felt more insulted as a film goer. I felt like Alex in 'A Clockwork Orange' after a while... strapped in a straight jacket with my eyes held open by toothpicks being forced to watch the horror of it all. And it was horrible.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Drunken Busboy

    by Chaykin

    Dickballsworth must have read the novelization of the remake. Oh, these kids today!!!

  • Boneheaded movie.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 2 a.m. CST

    birthday curse

    by Dollar Bird

    Every year, the worst summer movies come out the weekend of my birthday. This was one of them. (If memory serves, so was Waterworld and Operation: Dumbo Drop.) In all honesty, my friends and I thought the curse was lifted with this movie, but it is by and far one of my most unfavorite films. The make-up was amazing, enjoyed Danny Elfman's score, Tim Roth gave it his all, but the rest was just flat and lame. Oh, how I hated almost everything about it. It's one of those movies (like Wanted) that made me angry. The ending is just so unimaginative and lame. If Wahlberg's astronaut ended up on a world of lizards or birds or bugs, I'd have forgiven it, but to put Tim Roth's ape's face on the Lincoln Memorial? The amount of belief suspension reached phenomenal proportions. It's my understanding that while the movie was shooting, no one liked the script and it kept changing again and again and "Burto" even asked if anyone still had the script Rod Serling wrote for the original to use instead. Oh, if only...

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 2:01 a.m. CST

    I loved the first half of the movie...

    by bubcus

    ... but I really wished they'd kept the "love scene" that was intended between Mark and Helena. As controversial as that would have been, it sounded interesting. When Mark kisses Estella at the end, I got mad since there was no romantic build up in the film between the two of them. Estella was deadweight in there... pretty... but basically a cardboard cutout standing there. It felt cheap. Then, after saving the day and kissing the girl, he just jumps into the ship and takes off leaving everyone behind? I got pissed off. And the movie ends with him totally screwed over and we'll never see a sequel to this to see how he gets out of the mess. Thanks, Tim Burton, thanks.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 3:07 a.m. CST

    No love for Elfman's score?

    by BenBraddock

    Quite a challenge following Goldman's fantastic original scote for POTA, I thought Danny Elfman did a good job with his new score

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Tim Roth's performance was good?

    by Durendal

    No, it really wasn't. He just leered at everything and growled all of his lines. It's not entirely his fault as he didn't have much of a character to work with. Maybe you can't hate it, but I sure can. The makeup was good, but Jesus, it was such a smug, self-satisfied Hollywood political/moral pile of assrape. The original one knew how to play that and maintain at least a bit of subtlety while making a good point. This one just slams it up your ass repeatedly until you're shitting blood, which the filmmakers then gleefully saved so they can smear it on celluloid and call it a sequel.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Ummm no

    by Extr3m1st

    Roth was real good in this movie, wake up my friend. Estella Warren did look fine but she is no Nova. And I think she isn't aging all that well these days. Maybe it was just the picture I seen after her DWI but um ya. I thought Mark W did an acceptable job in the lead role. Burton screwed the movie up, not Mark or Paul G. Heston was great..

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Very different memories of this film;

    by david starling

    Helena Bonham-Carter and Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa were awesome in their respective roles (Cary was so awesome, that it rubbed-off on Michael Clarke Duncan and made him awesome!!). Tim Roth was one-dimensional (reflected in the last moment Thade has with his father - Heston acts him off the screen!!). A really disappointing version of Planet of the Apes, and what was with that ending? No, it isn't just the fact that I don't understand it - it was utter shite, and didn't fit at all. End of.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 6:01 a.m. CST


    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    I used to like him, now his style is too "burto", so much so that it brings me out of the movies. Kinda like Jack Depp Sparrow does, come to think of it, is that why they like each other so much?

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Great BTSPOTD for a below average movie.

    by gabbygall

    Caught this again a few weeks back on Sky+ - it really isn`t that good to be honest - hyped for RISE though - looks epic.

  • Yeah, but it didn't stop it from being a massive pile of shit though, did it?

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Wow that ape on the ground to Burto's right is serious method

    by ThehandthatBites

    Never knew de Niro was in this crap...... he has been in alot of crap though in the last 20 years so it does make sense.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST

    POTA was not terrible. It was good enough. However

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    having been completely blown away by the original, having seen it as an 8-year-old kid on tv on Saturday afternoon before the internet, before spoilers, before CGI, Burton's didn't have much of a chance. Seriously, the first time I saw the ending I was like holy cow. I mean that was an M. Night twist before there was M. Night. It was, although now faithful to the book, one of the greatest movie endings of all time.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 8 a.m. CST

    IMHO Burton and M Night

    by grendel69

    are the most overrated directors out there. Burton got lucky with Ed Wood.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 8:22 a.m. CST


    by proevad


  • Aug. 6, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Pure Crap!

    by barreljumper

    One of the worst movies ever. The ending made NO sense. Didn't it take place in 2020? Yeah...we'll have all that shit in 2020.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    No, Roth was great

    by Mugato5150

    I didn't even recognize him and I recognized everyone else. Michael Clark Duncan didn't even need any make-up so they saved money there. I also like the space ship at the beginning. It had a very sterile sci-fi from the 70's look. It's just that the script was terrible.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 8:29 a.m. CST


    by Tigger Tales

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Don't remember the score

    by Mugato5150

    All of Elfman's shit just runs together for me, with few exceptions.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST

    The worst movie ever is After Last Season.

    by UltimaRex

    chaykin, Try to watch After Last Season alone, sober and in one sitting. In fact, ANYONE who says X is "the worst movie ever" should be made to watch After Last Season alone, sober and in one sitting. The horror...

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Roth could have been Snape, but went for Thade instead.

    by JediRob

    Good move.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Planet Of The Horses

    by veteran_of_mu

    So in this piece of crap the POTA wasn't Earth. So ... how did the horses get there? Were there intelligent horses who made their own space ship and then lost the power of speech? Or did some humans decide that what you really need to take along on a space mission was a few breeding pairs of horses just in case ... or ? After a while you realise that this movie is just inherently stupid.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    One problem with this one was the old one's ending

    by BizarroJerry

    I think one thing that sunk this one goes back to the way the original one ended. I think that they decided to completely change the story because the original was all a build up to the big shocking twist ending, but the twist was spoiled 30 years ago. So, you couldn't just remake it.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Roth continues to be under-used as an actor

    by ragingfluff

    I think they cancelled his Lie to Me thing which is a shame but perhaps will free him up for something decent movie-wise ... would love to see him and Oldman together again in something; anything, really ...

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Quints assessment of the movie is pretty spot on

    by Rebel Scumb

    My other issue with it is that the entire movie feels like it was shot on a soundstage the size of my living room. there's no sense of scope, and all of the exteriors feel like interiors that worked well for burton on Sleepy hollow but not on this one Also, a minor nitpick, the movie poster was ape knights with big swords, there is no point in the movie where they have swords

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Why was Burton hired?

    by ChicagoRonin

    All of his best work has been with small, quirky films with simple stories that allow him to impose his dark, storybook visual style (Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood). Anything veering towards action adventure or something requiring more narrative drive seems beyond him. Personally, his two Batman films are visually great but frustratingly flawed story and pacing-wise. And his Planet of the Apes just left me bored.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Lie to me

    by Extr3m1st

    I really liked it the first season, and even part of season 2. But I think Roth went a bit too over the top with the part near the end.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Roth is great, but for the life of me I've never seen him better than as Mr. Orange.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Sure, he was Oscar-nominated for Rob Roy, but Reservoir Dogs is where it's at. His response to the guy whining about his ear. "Fuck you man, I'm dying here."

  • Spider-man, I believe, was an echo of it. The beginning of the "guitar synth" Danny Elfman era.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST

    the ending-

    by vulturess

    need something statue of libertish at the end like the original...

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I think Wahlberg is one of the good things

    by phifty2

    about this movie. He doesn't seem to give a shit why he's there or the ape society; he just wants to get home. At least that's how I remember it. Haven't seen it in a while.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Estella Warren hasn't vanished; she's been in something like 15 movies since Planet of the Apes.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Waterworld is getting mentioned a lot in this tb.

    by phifty2

    How 'bout a btspotd for that film. There were storms..directors leaving...they actually shot most of it on the ocean, like Jaws, instead of a huge water tank, and I fucking love the film. I do. The Mariner is one of the most badass characters in film. The speach the girl who later would be in Napolean Dynomite says at the end "He doesn't have a name so death can't find him..." Awesome. Go ahead. Rip me apart. There has to be at least one other person(besides Jim Carrey in The Cable Guy) who loves Waterworld.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    PT Anderson was banging Estella Warren

    by Billy_D_Williams

    I saw them together in 2001, they came into my job at a movie theater....

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    One of the worst remakes ever.


    And definitely one of the worst of Burton's films, which is pretty bad considering a majority of his films suck. The only Danny Elfman score that was memorable was Batman.

  • tap, tap, tap.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    i think it's something like, if Marky Mark would've stayed he would have

    by wattos new hat

    directed the apes to start a more peaceful society, with respect to all beings. but since he left them behind with Thades and took off in his spaceship the apes continued to be controlled by him and eventually became a society like we have today, (probably Thades found the forbidden history books and copied them). so when Marky Mark went back into the spacestorm he got thrown farthere into the ape future to find out what happened since he left. he probably goes to jail and waits execution or probing, regretting that he just didn't settle with the apes and hot blonde chick and start a new society like they wanted too. the movie is a guilty pleasure of mine. i don't jump bandwagons, i enjoyed the movie. loved the ending. just wish maybe they tacked on an extra half hour exploring the human society as well, they weren't explored enough IMO.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    i'd like to know where the 5 extra endings promised on the dvd are?

    by wattos new hat

    it even says it on the package i think. one was supposed to be Marky Mark landing during an ape football game i heard. anyone know anything?

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Worst movie ever? No. Worst misfire ever? Maybe

    by MJDeViant

    I can't watch more than 5 minutes of it without giving up. I love the original. Now that I think of it, Burton has 3 (okay, Alice might not count because there is tons of versions) films which pale in my mind, whether nostalgic or just worse (I honestly think worse). Alice in Wonderland, Planet of the Apes and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I'd rather he stick to unproven ideas or his own.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Tim Burton

    by Geektard_Smasher

    has ever emptied his pocket rocket all over Helena's face? She has a bitchy face that is just asking for it, and Tim seems like the kind of porn lover who would crawl up her torso and let fly just like the porn dudes do.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    First movie I downloaded with kazaa

    by The Fuck

    Illegal downloading has its purposes really!

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Shang Tsung was the ape general

    by KilliK

    i was very annoyed when he got killed in the film by the black Daredevil without a proper heroic fight. they just started hitting each other and he died.and later he was mourned briefly when the battle ended. wtf was that shit mr Burton? when you have bad-ass warrior characters in your story,try to make their deaths look cool,heroic and meaningful.dont just throw a 1min random fight in your action sequence. besides you will sell more toys to the kids that way.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    @proevad it was all a dream

    by KilliK


  • Aug. 6, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST


    by DickBallsworth

    My post about the Burton ending was in response to the people posting that they didn't understand why his movie ended the way it did. Obviously it wasn't note for note from Boulle's novel, but the concept of a future-present where apes were the dominant species utilizing modern technology is the same. More to the point, not many people have actually read Boulle's novel and therefore don't know that particular angle. Burton did a shout-out to the book with his ending. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • Furthermore, Burton has become a parody of his own aesthetic. Stick a fork in him, he's done.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Not that bad

    by Wormie1

    It wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible. Despite going through many years of different scripts and directors, the eventual film was rushed into production to make the release date and the story and characters weren't developed enough. The involvement of the writers of such masterpieces as Superman IV and The Jewel of the Nile couldn't have helped. The film was very impressive visually though. Anyone who claims it to be the worst movie ever can't have seen many movies. It's not even the worst POTA (that's Battle, of course).

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    watching it now

    by DarthBlart

    love the human slave stuff, so odd to see people pulling wagons and an ape girl with a human blonde girl as a pet on a leash.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 9:30 p.m. CST


    by DickBallsworth

    I never suggested that Burton modeled his movie's ending after the way Boulle's novel ended, though the end result is the same (astronaut returns to what he believes is his modern day Earth only to find it populated by apes). To that effect, I thought it was a fine and suitable way to close the picture. Burton's film as a whole was deeply flawed and missed a ton of opportunities, but his "tribute" to Boulle worked just fine. For me at least. As far as the "how" aspect to it, I think you're overthinking it. Clearly they (the filmmakers) didn't sort out all the details on that (though my money would be on the old wormhole intradimensional physics angle) and they probably just said "let's give the book a nod and end it this way." Simple, neat, and -at least to the guy sitting next to me at the cinema- a total mind blower. :)

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    For everyone shitting on Burton for making POTA...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    ...imagine that MICHAEL BAY was circling the project for a while. Yeah, let that sink in...

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Good to see Elfman's score getting some love

    by annie_michael_hall

    It is actually one of my favorite scores of his. Also - I believe Burton says on the commentary that the ending is not supposed to make sense - or something to that effect. Essentially he just thought there wasn't a way to top the original so he wanted to make something completely abstract and almost unpredictable that would leave audiences talking - which works as its the hot topic in this TB, but would not have any sort of easy explanation.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST


    by solitaire

    Among the awesome apes, one must not forget Kabai Sing himself, Carey-Hirouki Tagawa playing Clark Duncans former commander. That guy has always been great in everything he does, his coolness factor in Rising Sun alone was substantial. I have to imaging he and Al (love Bit O' Honey) Leong have the same agent

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    Bloody Terrible

    by Autodidact

    The first 10 minutes and last 10 minutes are okay. Everything in between utterly boring.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Count me as one of the Elect that doesn't hate Burton's Apes.

    by Royston Lodge

    I don't love it, but I don't hate it either. I think it shares the same weakness that the original movie had (not to mention the original novel) ... boring humans. To say that Burton's movie sucks because of the humans, and not to make the same complaint about the original movie, strikes me as hypocritical. Even in the novel, it's not as if the human narrator is brimming with style and narrative complexity. He's as two-dimensional as any of H.G. Well's protagonists. It may be true that a proverbially-great Apes movie needs better humans, but as far as I'm concerned better human characters would actually be a DEPARTURE from the source material.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I think Burton's ending can make sense, with some imagination.

    by Royston Lodge

    Theoretically, here's the timeline: Step 1) At some point in the nearish future, the Oberon leaves Earth on its mission. Step 2) While the Oberon is en route, Caesar and the apes rebel and take over the planet. Step 3) Years pass, and the apes reshape the World in their image with an Orwellian rewrite of history which eliminates the role of humanity. (The apes have always been at war with Eurasia.) This includes the redesign of the Lincoln Memorial. Step 4) However, since the apes have no true history of their own, and they've eliminated all the human leaders who know how to manage the society, they quickly become decadent and their society begins to decay. This process of decay ultimately results in the quasi-primitive, superstitious ape society we see in POTA. Step 5) Meanwhile, Marky-Mark falls through the wormhole, leading to the events of POTA. At the end, he does go back in time, but only as far back as Step 3. In a way, one can look at it as a parable about the inevitability of failure for any totalitarian revolution. Eliminating the humans results in the loss of too much "corporate memory". The apes have intelligence, but they have no tradition or culture to speak of.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by DickBallsworth

    I like the way you think. Nicely done, Sir. :)

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Ending explained...sorta

    by Dridstar

    The ending has to do with the weird way that Burton envisioned timetravel. He uses a last in, first out theory that also adds an exponentially increasing time inbetween. That is why the wreck of the big ship appears to be hundreds/thousands of years old. It went into the temporal disturbance last. Considering this...Thade obviously somehow got out of the cell Marky left him in and dredged the lake that had the pod in it. He fixes it and goes through the portal last thereby arriving FIRST and many many years in Marky's "past" and was therefore somehow able to do "something" that ultimately turned the world into Apeworld. There's a rather cool DVD insert with a neat graphic timeline illustrated on it.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:11 p.m. CST

    not that bad

    by doopey

    Re-watched it on FX the other night, and I agree w/ those saying it really isn't that bad. It does feel like they had to rush it. I agree w/ the post above that it looks "studio bound" in parts. But the makeup really is fantastic and Roth in particular gives it 100%. It's enjoyable, but not great. The, people are making too much of it. They just wanted to shock the audience; that was the reason for it. But the "last one in/first one out" time travel theory actually makes sense and is consistent w/ everything else that happened in the movie.

  • Aug. 7, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST


    by Dridstar

    it's obvious that the Ape Planet isn't Earth. I think there's like two moons or something in the sky. So.... Burton's "twist" on the twist ending is when the monkey appears in the pod at the end. This somehow was supposed to explain the "Time Travel" thing and therefore make the ending more shocking considering that on Marky's return, the Earth had become the Ape World because he had left Thade alive. The problem was the glaring plot hole about how Thade escaped, dredged the lake, got the pod, fixed it, then followed Marky through the wormhole was never really shown in the movie or even implied. Of course this didnt play out to well and in fact NEEDED that dvd insert just to explain it. Once you grasp that concept the ending isn't "too" bad.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by slone13

    I am also a Waterworld lover. Especially the director's cut, with all the the lush, greenery surrounding the Mt. Everest plaque embedded in the earth at the end.

  • Aug. 8, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Burton Missed the Boat on this One For Sure

    by Shankapotomus

    1) Agree with everyone who says this film lacks epic scale in terms of the sets and shot choices. I've seen Star Trek epsisodes that had more scale. The original movie, from the crashed spacecraft in the lake, to the search for water/civilization across the desert, to the human hunt was simply grander and more awe inspiring - especially given that it is 40 years old. 2)The perfomances of the human's are as small as the sets. Mark Whalberg? Please! Seriously, how can you line him up against Roth or even HBC and expect good things to happen. I keep waiting for him to respond to Roth, "Say hello to your motha for me." MArk Wahlburg Talks to Animals! Estella Warren looked like Burton was doing an homage to Raquell Welch in 1 Million B.C. 3)The movie's horrible ending was a tacked on attempt to make it "realevant" or give it a message like the original. To say this failed misserably would be kind. It's an afront to fans of the orginal. Burton was the wrong man for the job. No doubt. Extraordinaily bad movie overall. I don't think Roth saves it - though he gave it his all.

  • Aug. 9, 2011, 8:12 a.m. CST


    by Jonathan Hicks

    You're right, I've not read it and I never accused anyone of being a fucking idiot. But regardless of whether it was in the original or not, it still fucking sucked. Fucking idiot.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST


    Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE APES remake is one of those movies, like THE PHANTOM MENACE, where you buy the 2 disc DVD and then throw Disc 1 away and keep the second one with the 'Making of...' stuff on it.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 10:45 a.m. CST


    Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE APES remake is one of those movies, like THE PHANTOM MENACE, where you buy the 2 disc DVD and then throw Disc 1 away and keep the second one with the 'Making of...' stuff on it.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 10:45 a.m. CST


    Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE APES remake is one of those movies, like THE PHANTOM MENACE where you buy the 2 disc DVD and then throw Disc 1 away and keep the second one with the Making of... stuff on it.

  • Aug. 18, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST


    Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE APES remake is one of those movies, like THE PHANTOM MENACE where you buy the 2 disc DVD and then throw Disc 1 away and keep the second one with the Making of... stuff on it.