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Here’s your first official look at Selina Kyle from Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight Rises!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with the first real look at Selina Kyle from Nolan’s The Dark Knight Rises! Found at the official site (I was tipped off by a Twitter follower by the name of Dom and then dug up a thread at SuperHeroHype’s Message boards that included the mega size version you can get when you click on the image below) the image shows Anne Hathaway in at least her partial Catwoman outfit, which seems to be high tech goggles and skin-tight leather.
Not many bells and whistles so far, but a cat burglar has to be light on her feet, yeah?
Here you go! Click for mega version!
It’s a tease, as is much of what we’re seeing right now. I have faith in Nolan, but none of the spy pics are giving me half the jones of the stuff leaking out from The Dark Knight back in the day. And this certainly isn't on the same level as the Joker reveal. Can’t wait to see what the final product turns out to be, though.
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I loved her looks!
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Looks Delish!
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I have a feeling this version of catwoman will be cino catwoman in name only... I guess I really liked Batman returns' crazy disturbed catwoman!
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...always wanted todeprive somebody of the chance to say first.
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Retro, duno what I think.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 3:56 a.m. CST
kinda sucks we have to keep saying.."i have faith in nolan..."
by soup74
but i do.
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Count me in. The goggles look pretty goofy, though...
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if that indeed is the reason why she's riding it, is pretty freaking cool
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Or else The Catwoman is a Cat Burglar, full stop.
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She'll be friends with Batman but then turn against him. I just made that up.
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Not enough sheepskin for my liking.
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... take no shit, hi-tech thief who shows The Bat a few skillz and rides a mean bat-pod. Add in a bit of noir kink, and she's there.
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...said Juie Newmar instead of "First!", so I'm happy. Just to say something more substantial, though Selina's worn goggles a lot in recent years, they're more trad aviator-style goggles. A high-tech pair would keep the motif, but put a slight twist on it. Nice touch, I think.
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I would let her fuck me. Other than that...this movie shouldn't be called TDKR, it should be called DOA.
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I guess they don't exist in Gotham.
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Bale trashes the "fucking lights".
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Kevin Smith? This is not the Nolan I know.
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to me something about that whole get up she's wearing combined with the gadgets on her head sort of looks like something from SPY KIDS 5 or some shit. Though I'm fine with the look and feel of Hardy's Bane so far, Anne's presence as Selina still just doesn't feel right to me for whatever reason. Actually, she'd be fuckin PERFECT for a role in a SPY KIDS flick now that I think about it.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 4:15 a.m. CST
It will be good... it will be good... it will be good... it will be good
by Playkins
Maybe if I keep telling myself that, I'll believe it.
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If he is only tall enough to punch him in the balls?
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of Batman news is starting to remind me of the news that trickled out in the run up for Spidey 3 and people wheeled out continually IN RAIMI WE TRUST. <p> Errrm. Yeah.
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Loving that look, a lot sexier than I thought Nolan was gonna go for. I haven't really been into the women in the previous Bat films, but this I like.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 4:19 a.m. CST
Can we all concede that this is the death of the franchise?
by Gus Van Rant
Time to reboot with Schumacher at the helm...give me neon bat nipples or give me death!
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but it's early days. Right?
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Aug. 5, 2011, 4:24 a.m. CST
Alternative casting for Bane...based on Nolan's vision...
by Gus Van Rant
Vern Troyer.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 4:26 a.m. CST
I heard that a great way to determine if a guy is gay is if he finds Hathaway unattractive and unsexy. Sounds logical to me.
by AsimovLives
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Aug. 5, 2011, 4:31 a.m. CST
Can Nolan break the 'disappointing third film in trilogy' curse?
by kwisatzhaderach
Jedi, Crusade, Godfather Pt III, Lethal Weapon III, Superman III, Batman Forever etc. The third film is ALWAYS where the series goes tits up. Unless you're the Die Hard series, in which case you rehire the original director to salvage a Finnish train wreck.
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Seriously Nolan? She just has a burglar outfit? God dammit.
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- Sillier. That word looks weird and wrongly spelled, so let me change it to: FUCKING STUPIDER. Anyone could wear Joker makeup and lick their lips and act all psychotic and fool dickheads into thinking they were watching a 'great performance' like Heath Ledger did. This franchise is 100% smoke and mirrors bullshit. It's totally gay and getting gayer and history will prove me right about all this. Fuck the Dark Knight up his latex waste-nozzle.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 4:35 a.m. CST
people have got the knives out for Nolan based on a few admittedly shoddy photos?
by Righteous Brother
after Batman Begins and The Dark Knight? Unbelievable. The first released photos of the joker weren't that good either, and he turned out pretty good as I recall. As for the term 'Nolan Apologists' - errr...I don't really think there's anything to apologise for. He's made two of the most financially and critically successful superhero films or all time, and rescued a franchise from its absolute nadir....Batman and Robin.
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Could we get a shot from the back please?
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Seriously.
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...but whether it'll be a great BATMAN FILM is now in question. That could be any character in any film. Nothing says "Catwoman" about that picture. I get that he's going for realism, but I see nothing wrong or silly in making her look cat-like. And her on the pod clearly screams 'team-up' (unless she stole it). Maybe a a bit of a friendly rivalry, but it has to boil down to being enemies. MAKE HER LOOK LIKE A FUCKING CAT! MAKE HER AN ENEMY!
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Just like any film it has it's detractors, but with TDK their numbers are incredibly tiny and wildly disproportionate with the number of people, professional and not, who find it to be a masterwork. DOes it have flaws? Sure! (the Two Face Epilogue and Bruce's muted reaction to Rachels death come to mind immediately), but it's strength are legion in comparison.
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People saw the bank heist pics and assumed Joker wouldn't have a purple suit. And remember when Two Face would be slightly scarred? Fuck you guys.
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If you think otherwise, you're just being a cock and I hope a monkey rips your dick. Or you get a blowjob from a nasty teeth monster while blindfolded like Harry that one time. Seriously, anyone remember that?
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Aug. 5, 2011, 4:57 a.m. CST
Is this really a pic from the set of "Get Smart II?" (nt)
by Triple_J_72
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Thats even worse then Hathaway.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 4:59 a.m. CST
tehfuck, YOU ARE OFFICIALLY, TEHGAY!!! EVA GREEN IS PERFECTION!!!
by CreepyThinMan
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5 a.m. CST
That's an awfully subjective and unsupported point of view Viggo
by IndustryKiller!
I'm not really sure what you want me to do with that. I fail to see how things like "more engaging" make a substantive argument.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:01 a.m. CST
industrykiller!, DON'T BOTHER WITH viggeo_morgenstein AS THEME'S AND SUBTEXT ARE OBVIOUSLY WASTED ON HIS WORTHLESS ASS!!!
by CreepyThinMan
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it's not up to me to build the film up.
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Suck off Hidalgo
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most of you wankers posting above obviously have a miniscule, at best, understanding of cinema; stick to crayoning if you're allowed any in the various institutions in which you reside. Let's examine track records, shall we?: Nolan: Memento, Insomnia, Batman Begins, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Inception. ALL of those films turned a profit, some of them very large profits and even those that performed less well at the box office were- are- considered artistic hits (except by the pond life that feeds here). Talkbackers (some, unfortunately too many): inane, unsubstantiated, mindbendingly infantile comments based on nothing but their own ill conceived ideas which amount to no more than pathetic ramblings that are the equivalent of the aforementioned crayoning but lacking the artistic endeavour that a child would bring to the subject. And no proft made to boot. Taking those historical records into consideration I think I know where I will place my Goddamn faith.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:04 a.m. CST
I do find it funny though that you think the theme in TDK
by IndustryKiller!
is heavy handed compared to that of Batman Begins. I'm pretty sure in Batman Begins they say the word fear roughly 255 thousand times in the first half of the film alone. Talk about sledgehammering a theme. How do you denigrate TDK but miss that?
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...I suppose it would take a leaked shot showing The Batman with a rubber shark halfway up his leg to get you jonesing for this film. :-)
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Batman dies and Catwoman takes his place as the dark knight. SO MUCH BONER!
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...to you guys, think we exist in different worlds. Watched TDK only yesterday evening again and it still got a grip on me, don't know what all this petty bickering on production shoots is about.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:10 a.m. CST
Ace of Wands let me explain my negative position on this costume
by IndustryKiller!
Comic book characters wear costumes, not because they are practical, but because their personalities are larger than life, and their costumes should reflect that. THese are characters who exist on the fringes of society, they are the other, unlike you or I, and if interpreted correctly by the actor and writer, and a strong tone set by the director, there is no reason you should have to whitewash that and make them something they fundamentally aren't. Also, half the reason why we remember these characters is because of their aesthetic value, because artists have rendered classic designs that resonate with people for whatever reason. No one would remember Batman if his name was "Crime Fighting Guy" and he wore a unitard. Taking the edge off the world of comic books makes them lose their magic. Catwoman is a classic character for generations. The way she looks is a very important part of that modern mythology and Christopher Nolan won't have a better film on his hands for robbing the character of that.
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Featuring Lil Bane.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:13 a.m. CST
Ok Viggo, you're just making declaritive statements, not an argument.
by IndustryKiller!
There's a big difference between those two things and you've already weakened your point to the brink of banality by sticking to the former. When you come up with something of substance I may respond but until then I'll just let you seeth.
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You're a fucking idiot. I hope someone sets fire to your sweatpants while you're sitting in the theater watching the latest Miley Cyrus movie, you fucking pervert. I hope you accidentally throw hot butter in your eyes while aiming popcorn to your gaping mouth while balancing Pepsi between your breasts and gigantic bellybutton. Don't eat a Kit Kat, you can't take a break if you don't do anything.
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Viggeo Morgenstein = biggest waste of space on this site. What a spunkstain.
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Most of you were moaning like bitches when the images of Heath Ledger came out. Shut the fuck up and wait for the film to appear before making your mind up, you a priori vaginal blood farts. If you are going to moan about preproduction stills, at least look up "grading" on wikipedia and get some film 101 knowledge to understand the difference between an untreated still and a post production film "look".
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This image doesn't do much for me either way. It's not weak, but not particularly strong either... With the starkness of the background its kinda a MATRIX vibe more than anything else.
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So far this movies is reminding more of Batman and Robin than Batman Begins. Will we get a crotch-shot soon?
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST
I don't understand why doing an impression of Jack Nicholson earns anyone an Oscar!?!? Dull
by UMAGA
You're a fucking moron.
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...that when you insult one another (as opposed to shithouse Hollywood product) that you're creating massive amounts of negative karma for yourselves, right? There's a big difference between calling The Dark Knight a piece of shit and telling another human being posting on here to 'Eat dick and die you fucking asshat!" I humbly suggest the latter approach not only displays a massive lack of spiritual self-awareness, but also a fair degree of immaturity.
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You can all suck my dick, suck Nolan's dick and wash it down with some Wally Pisster. If you don't think this movie will be good and you didn't like the previous Nolan movies, you're probably an inbred hick who lives off his own shit. So go cry in your cold Campbell's soup somewhere else because no one likes you and your shitty opinions. You should probably stand in front of a wagon and let the horse stomp you. Okay? Get fucked!
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looks fucking gay
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Please gobble my knobble with grace
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your comments are fair and reasoned but you seemed to have missed what- I think- Nolan is trying to achieve with these films. Nolan seems to have taken the comics as the Myth that has been exaggerated from a Truth, a Reality. He has wondered what that truth might be, what was the kernel of it before it became disproportioned in the "funny papers" and THAT is the story that HE is telling in his films; the reality behind the legend. So, I think that- apart from sheer functionality, which does play its part- that the costumes have to be as low key, as "realistic" as possible. We've had the four colour, outlandish, Mythical version of these characters for years in the Comics; Nolan is now trying to show where these legends, these Myths, began and, as is usually case, it is in a much smaller, less overvblown fashion than the Legend that follows.
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My PUBES would grow if you'd stop eating them.
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...didn;t mean to single you out, I was speaking generally. Your 'eat dick' remark was just freshest in my mind. And I know most of you guys indulge in the name-calling as a bit of sport and don't take it seriously, but it can become a bad habit if you're not careful and the line between tongue-in-cheek and really meaning it is easily blurred. There endeth my lecture.
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the reason that a lot of talkbackers who "defend" Nolan- he needs no defence, really- tend to get a bit tetchy is that, despite your statement to the reverse, the majority of those who attack TDK and Nolan ARE trolls of the highest (lowest?) order and their arguments are not mature and seem- to me, at least- to lack even the merest suggestion of any cinematic knowledge what so ever. Maybe I've generalised a bit there but only a tad and I appologise to any true cinema buffs with a disregard for TDK and Nolan who I might have netted alongside the trolls with my comments (there won't be many of them anyway).
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:42 a.m. CST
viggeo_morgenstein, IT WOULD BE NICE IS YOU HAD AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT INSTEAD OF GENERALITIES.....
by CreepyThinMan
QUOTE - "WEAK WRITING: Silly, banal dialogue. Poor character motivations. Plot-holes/inconsistencies. Heavy reliance on contrivancies. Heavy-handed presentation of it's themes (contradiction between it's themes as well). Hardly any development (or relatability) for the main protagonist, as well as basically nothing for the Everything feels rushed, forced... nothing feels authentic or organic. *love interest* to do. MAJOR third act problems, etc..." Silly, banal dialogue. - Based on what? How about some examples you thundering retard? I felt the dialogue was rich as it, for the most part, supported the movies theme's being that or Order, Chaos and Chance. The Joker having the best dialogue as his character saw the world for what it was and spoke primal truths from a demented point of view, perhaps, but in medival times the court jester was the only one who could talk shit to those in power because he presented those nuggest of truth inside of a joke. "They're only as good as the world allows them to be" being my favorite line and one that cuts at the heart of Havey Dent's downfall. The world destroyed him and everything he loved, turning him into a monster. That's great stuff and if you can't recognize that then you are a fucking moron. Poor character motivations. - In what way dipshit? Batman is leading a selfless crusade to battle crime. He realizes, at the end, that he must become what Gotham needs him to be and can't act as a hero as he is not one by society's perspective. Dent was Gotham's true hero and Batman was willing to let the city believe he had became a murderer to protect Dent's reputation as his death would be a symbol for the citizen's of Gotham to stand up against criminals. The Joker's motivation was to cause chaos and to shatter peoples perceptions of society and themselves. Batman won that battle when the people on those boats refused to give into fear. Plot-holes/inconsistencies. - Show me a comic book movie that doesn't have those. Besides, I saw nothing glaringly obvious that would detract from my enjoyment of the movie. But you talk like TDK was fucking Star Trek! Heavy reliance on contrivancies. - Once again, how about some fucking examples instead of just stating it as though it were fact. Heavy-handed presentation of it's themes (contradiction between it's themes as well). - Why not explain why you feel this instead of generalizing once again and give examples? Hardly any development (or relatability) for the main protagonist, as well as basically nothing for the Everything feels rushed, forced... nothing feels authentic or organic. *love interest* to do. MAJOR third act problems, etc..." - Examples you fucking cretin! What is supposed to feel authentic or organic about a movie where a man dresses up as a fucking bat. The love interest had plenty to do as she represented Wayne's hope for the future that he could give up being Batman. Her death ensures that he will never stop while Alfred's buring of her letter keeps the truth from Bruce that she had given up the hope of being with him and that she chose Harvey. Alfred does this because he knows it will drive Bruce in his quest. The third Act, fucking christ everyone keeps bitching about the third act. The third act in TDK was the logical conclusion of the story. Batman saves Gordon's family and sacrifices himself to protect Dent's reputation and to also defeat the Joker because, as you obvious weren't paying attention, his intention was to drag Harvey down and rub Gotham's nose into the fact that Mr. Law and Order had became a murderous vigilante. By letting people think that HE had killed those people, Batman has made sure that Gothamites will see Dent as a man of ideals who died for what he believed in. He becomes a symbol of hope. What did you want? A sequel where Dent is now a crime Boss or some such stupid shit? Fuck off you slobbering mongrel wanker cunt!!!
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Catty and all. She'll do fine, and Nolan will do the rest. Have faith people, has he ever disappointed ?
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:43 a.m. CST
viggeo_morgenstein, AT LEAST WE CAN AGREE ON EVA GREEN!!!
by CreepyThinMan
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Also, she looks pretty bad, Anne hathaway is a tranny and doesn't evoke anything remotley resembling a real woman (Catwoman needs to have curves not the body of a 12 year old boy)
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here's one of the strengths of TDK that your razor sharp cinematic mind can't quite seem to recognise; it's genre busting. Why do you think that it took so much money at the box office. It was because it took The Batman out of the niche of The Superhero and allowed him to reside inside a real piece of cinema, one that could appeal to a much wider audience because it was seen as a great FILM, a great piece of CINEMA, not just a good, or even, great (there aren't many) Superhero film. TDK crossed genre's where other Superhero films fear to tread and still haven't achieved. Nolan stands alone in this for now.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:51 a.m. CST
BUT, YEAH,, THIS LOOKS LIKE A PIC FROM SPY KIDS 4!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinMan
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great to see you back, man! I've missed the total drivel that you come out with since the Avatar days. So great to remember how you pegged that film too as such a loser. Nice to know that there is some consistency in the world still.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:53 a.m. CST
viggeo_morgenstein, PRESENT AN ARGUMENT THEN YOU STUPID CUNT!!! YOUR OPINION IS NOT FACT!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinMan
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This seems to confirm the whole sidekick angle... unless Selina is a millionaire too AND has stolen the batpod. Not at all what I expected, but I'm intrigued.
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...whay are these posts all over the frakkin place?? AICN operating at the tech' leading edge again?
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Pussy Lovers!
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:06 a.m. CST
I will never get how the cops turn on batman when he just giftwrapped the Joker for them.
by whatevillurks
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Who knows how far down the line she is a s Catwoman here? Who know which Tumbler pod she's riding? There are at least 4 tumblers in this film right? I'm not any less up for this film than I was for Begins or Dark Knight at this stage.
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Batgirl again? I thought Alicia Silverstone was dead?
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More blue LEDs. Every movie has blue LEDs.
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because I think the Godfather is fucking boooooooooooring and overrated. TDK > the Godfather
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:16 a.m. CST
Isn't this movie turning into exactly what it used to be the opposite of?
by Rex Carsalot
Bad grammar I know, but it's starting to look ridiculous.
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And that's what I'll say to Ann too when she comes over to make my penis happy.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:18 a.m. CST
shit? it was the opposite of shit before? is that what you're getting at?
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
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EVERY female role should be Eva Green!!
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:19 a.m. CST
Conan Obrien showed more Bane footage on his show
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaM46CdE-ro
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on the Conan show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaM46CdE-ro
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as someone else here has said, just stating things as fact isn't the same as them being fact; maybe if you could deign to give some examples to back up your "factual" statements then your argument, your position, on TDK could, perhaps, be taken a little more seriously. The allusion to Heat, as you put it, was neither careless or crude, it was deliberate and not just in the tone of the film, the bank robberies and so on but at a level which, again perhaps, that you did not understand; it concerns duality and identity (actually all Nolan's films feature these elements, it seems). It is quite elitist of you, by the way, to suggest that only those of your ilk were not taken in by superficial nature of the film, unlike all those millions that went to see it more than once, those fucking morons! Perhaps it is in fact the other way around, that they weren't taken in by the apparent surface of the film and did, in afact, find depths to it which you are unable to see and in your stubbornness, though these depths are pointed out to you (some of them have been in the column above but you seem unable or unwilling to respond), you are unable to accept them as true. It is funny how you call some of those who defend Nolan here is "haters" when you clearly hate this film far more than its whole or the sum of its parts. I get the faint whiff of hating something purely because it has become so successful and broken out of its niche.
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"It just needs to be an engaging, well told story, that recognizes (doesn't run and hide from) it's comic book roots. That's all. Give me THAT." Read the early Batman, where he is fighting underworld crime, not costumed Supervillians, and perhaps that you will realise that Nolan has actually returned The Batman to his roots. Give Nolan THAT.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:25 a.m. CST
It never fails to amaze me at how many Talkbacks confuse their opinion for fact.
by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS
Take note viggeo, film is subjective. You may not like TDK but that doesn't mean anyone who does is 'wrong'.
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he was about on the talkbacks when Avatar was coming out. He didn't like that film much and he and scarywaitress put up a spirited- if ill informed (my opinion) attack on the film; they huished and got crushed when Avatar steamrolled TDK's box office. Haven't heard his inanities(my opinion) for a while so was just welcomming him back.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:30 a.m. CST
Ugh. I do think casting Anne Hathaway for Catwoman was a mistake.
by AlienFanatic
I do tend to think that, in general, Anne Hathaway is okay but she just doesn't seem to have the presence I'd have expected of an actress that plays Selina/Catwoman. (I wasn't a huge fan of Michelle Pfeiffer, either, but I still think Anne is a step down.) I hope Nolan knows what he's doing, but so far the costumes for this movie are really not striking me as "in the same universe" as, say, the more realistic-feeling Joker costume in TDK.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:31 a.m. CST
I don't know if contrived is the right word...
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
I was thinking more along the lines of... creative? Yeah it was silly that the bus happened to crash through and kill the guy as Joker hoped, but so what? Can't you let it go? The rest of the bank heist was exciting and well shot. It was fucking brilliant. One of the best openings in movie history. It establishes the Joker perfectly. The music is fucking great, it sets the mood great as well. The cinematography is wonderful. Right away you get sucked into the world of TDK.
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You can tell from the shadow against the back foot rest on the rights side. Cat burglars do NOT wear heels.
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Is what would happen if I were batman and this chick showed up to ride my batpod.
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NONE of you have seen this yet! How the fuck do you know whether it's shit or not? Fuckin' morons...
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The entire first act of the scene is brilliant, isn't it? But then there's that fucking dumbass that BENDS OVER and STARES RIGHT INTO that EVIL, CREEPY AS FUCk EGG as it slowly opens. Before the egg opens, hes shining his flashlight saying Theres Some Kind of Creature. So logically, when the egg opens, in the evil looking weirdo spaceship they are exploring, right after he walked past the giant dude with his chest exploded outward, you know, everyone would logically bend over and stick your head into the egg to see what's in there. Makes sense right?
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:40 a.m. CST
Oh, and viggeo_morgenstein - give me a movie that *doesn't* have contrivances?
by irishraidersfan
The Joker is a clockwork lunatic - just like in the comic book (example, the Killing Joke) - yes, if part of his plan fails, it all falls down. And? How is this different from usual Joker shenanigans? You're lacking consistency in your argument ('I want it like the comic books!') - it *is*.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST
She's no Michelle Pfeiffer. (but then who is?) I don't see much sex appeal in Hathaway, which I think is Priority 1 for Catwoman
by profp
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:49 a.m. CST
TDK's bank heist wouldn't be problematic if Nolan didn't make such a big case out of being 'realistic'
by Valaquen
Funnily enough, Batman's every gadget and device is explained and analysed whilst the Joker is shourded in mystery and given god-like powers of invisibility and cunning, (sneaking into the hospital and laying a multitude of bombs is another stickler). I always thought that Bruce creating an alibi so he could go to Hong Kong to get Lau only served to gather himself even more attention, and the Gotham news quickly caught on to Batman being involved with Lau's capture. Wayne near China + Batman rumoured to be in Chinae = ... ? Might have been better for Wayne to quietly slip away instead of taking a boat load of dancers, crew, and an airship along with him.
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The Dark Knight is by no means a bad movie, and it's certainly better then a lot of superhero movies. Much of it's success comes from establishing a great tone and feel to it as a gritty crime drama. However, to think it's a perfect movie is just laughable. In fact it's a highly flawed film. Examples... Relationship between Bruce and Rachel was just so lifeless that her death felt like it had very little weight. Quite a few dead-end subplots, like that dude threatening to reveal Batman and the kidnapping of the Chinese dude. Even Gordons fake death makes pretty much no sense when you think about it. There's very little plot yet it somehow feels overstuffed. It's basically "The Joker wreaks havoc on Gotham, Batman to the rescue" padded together with a bunch of stuff that doesn't really connect all that well. The action apart from one or two scenes is a mess, particularly the sonar fight. The movie strives for realism yet almost everything the Joker does is cartoonish and just not plausible. Cell phone in the stomach? Rigging a hospital to blow, then walking around like a nurse still on face paint? The opening bank robbery is admittedly a great scene, but it's far from realistic. Two-Face was rushed and contrived, pretty much ruining the effective development on the character which was one of the films strong points. The fairy scene was an awful climax, spending precious time away from the characters we want to see to show strangers arguing. The whole blaming Batman thing made little sense as well, it's sole purpose is to lead into the next movie. I could keep going on but fuck it. There are just so many problems with it when you unravel it and get past the initial joy of seeing a dark, gritty Batman film with Ledgers iconic performance. And as I said, despite this it still manages to be a good, entertaining take on Batman when you don't think about it too much. It's just that a movie with that many issues could never be a masterpiece as many claim.
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Zoom in and you can clearly see more of the spiderman honeycomb (or scales, in the case of Spiderman) texturing. That's a little silly and unnecessary, but I'm interested as to why she's on Batman's tumbler cycle. Do they work together? Partner up? Is there a bit of a romance developing? Interesting.
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Looks kinda lame. But I trust Nolan...Although, I didn't exactly like Inception. whatever...
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that's better, I can at least see your reasoning now. There are contrivancies in TDK, my posts above do not state otherwise; the ammount of explosives the Joker would have had to put into that hospital to blow the whole building up, the guy with the telephone in his chest, how The Batman found Harvey when he was with Schiff. Others. Problem is, these are minor blips for me and obviously the majority who saw this film. For others, such as yourselves, there are iritations at best, canckerous sores at worst. But the Joker's side step to the left is beautiful, in cadence with the music; that is cinema. And the bus hitting the robber is set up for a corny joke, "Schools Out" which then, unexpectedly plays into the whole line of buses when you realise, oh, school IS out. The vacant slot (nifty anyway) is a small price to pay for the whole set up and the Joker reveal. The dying bank manager's comments totally resonate with what is about to come in the film, that the Joker IS a new sort of criminal and one that Batman's strength will have no sway over as revealled in the awesome interogation scene.
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Not mediocre in any way whatsoever.
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...as anyone who has seen 'The Dreamers' knows all too well.
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Everything you have said is right on! <p> Nolans Bat-films are simply not good movies. At least Burtons movies had a theme and wasnt afraid to poke fun at the campy nature of a man dressed as a bat.<p> ( unless you count Nolans disturbing theme of self deception and lying for "the greater good" in ALL his movies) <p> its getting old man! Gritty real-world my ass! The plot of these movies are so outlandish that the serious tone Nolans is going for just doesn't fit.<p> Tim Burton brought balance. Christopher Nolan would get rid of the bat suit if the studio let him. <p> viggeo_morgenstein , Just letting you know at least one talkbaker agrees with you!!!
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It’s quite an odd U-turn for Gotham city to become frenzied killers after the blood of Coleman Reese, and then to become the ultimate Kantians when faced with the boat dilemma. The moral U-turn only seems to exist so that Batman can ideologically defeat the Joker. As it goes, it’s a contrived move. How does Batman find Dent once he’s kidnapped one of the Joker’s goons? Why doesn’t Batman capture the Joker after he and Rachel plummet from Wayne Tower (after all, Joker can only take the lift down)? How can Rachel say that Wayne’s penthouse is the safest place in Gotham when that was where the Joker gate-crashed and threw her from a window? How does Wayne even know that the Joker is on his way to the penthouse before he chokeholds Harvey (who conveniently forgets this happens)?
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please don't let that be her FULL and final costume. Would it be so unrealistic to add some cat ears on there somewhere? Come on Nolan!
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...ever think the Joker was lying when he said "Do I look like I have a plan...I'm an agent of chaos" etc? Whatever the 'cause' it all made for compelling viewing. Don't you think it's odd that Jason Bourne seems to know what everyone's going to do way in advance as well? Seriously, that guy could outwit Batman based on his abilities in those movies.
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That's what I want to know.
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Seems like every photo from this production has someone new carjacking Batman's wheels.
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I was scared that they were even going to have catwoman. This did not dampen my concerns. :(
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...I agree about Nolan being over-rated but I prefer West and Ward any day. Now THAT'S Batman.! I want to see some THWACK! and 'Holy Cow' make a comeback but the fact is everyone stands in the shadow of the incomparable two. And wtf is with the aesthetically ugly 'hi-tech' Bat-gadgetry that Nolan comes up with. The original Batmobile was a thing of beauty, my favourite car of all time.
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Are we straying off into the shite that we get with all superhero movies, too many famous faces, all trying to get screen time? The story stretched across them all, and the more you have the poorer the experience for the viewer, so we get the final two 90's Batman movies, we get Spiderman 3. Can't see Nolan making a universally bad film though, he's no hack and seems to be concerned with making great films rather than great Batman films. And re: The ferry scene in the last Batman flick, it was great, and was one of the first times that The Jokers hitherto uncanny ability to predict human behaviour failed, and failed in a spectacular way. Not to mention the President of the planet was the guy to save the day there too! (5th Element anyone?)
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Wrong talkback?
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did you not catch on that the Joker was a liar too? He said whatever he had to say to push peoples buttons. That was "all part of the plan". The only time in the whole film where he looks bemused is when neither of the ferries blow up.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 7:18 a.m. CST
She's on the batpod because she takes over for Bats when he's in the hospital
by alienindisguise
as far as the costume...it sucks. Not only does it look like it cost $20 but it's just a shitty disguise. C'mon Nolan.
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.. I understand why some don't like it and it may seem out of pace with the film as a whole but, for me, it is the heart and soul of the movie. It is NOT heavy handed but deeply thematically resonant (perhaps some here confuse the two) and is the raison d'etre behind the symbol that is The Batman, the very reason that he has returned to Gotham in the guise he now inhabits. And, of course, it is at end of that sequence that the Joker has lost his battle in Gotham- hence the look of surprise on his face- for all his planning he didn't see it coming. Of course he still has the Dent ace up his sleeve but his attempts to turn Gotham on itself failed.
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They live on your displeasure.
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Wow ,I wonder how anyone watches a movie and instead of getting entertained they just sit and nitpick details of what they don't like. It is based on a comic book character ,you know not real made up get it? I know the director has introduced some reality to the story ,but if you go back and read ,oh say year one by Miller you get the idea other than that maybe movies are not your thing and you should read so you can paint your own picture.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 7:33 a.m. CST
we're talking about a comic book movie here
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
this isn't Heat. It's not set in reality. Everyone says Nolan's stylistic choice is founded on realism. But those are your words, not his. I agree with some of the criticisms. It could be a more solid and tightly knit plot. Etc.
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Your admiration for a good movie is the source of their power. Without it, they can only return to that spot where they dwell, under the bridge. A bridge with a good wi-fi connection, I might add. Also, doesn't anyone have any work to do?
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Aug. 5, 2011, 7:34 a.m. CST
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
it must be...... a troll?
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Calm down, would you? I like the Dark Knight, I acknowledge some of its flaws, as with any other movie, but it's a movie I personally enjoy, regardless. Am I not allowed to like it? It seems like you're intent on ripping it to shreds in order to provoke fans. Which is fine if you've got the time and inclination to do so, but let's not take it personally. Each to their own and all that.
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If you look closely, you can see some kind of visor type things above each of the goggles. I wonder if these will look like cat's ears when she pulls them onto the top of her head. Just a thought. Would be a neat way around the whole cat thing without making it ridiculous.
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I do see your point, I just fundamentally disagree with it. I CAN see that if your heart wasn't with this film in the first place- yours clearly wasn't- then anything that even resembles a plot hole is going to be a true annoyance, or a reason to lambast the film as a whole. There are many more moments of greatness than there are faltering steps in TDK and that alone sets it up far above every other superhero movie around (only Spider-Man 2 comes close). There are plot holes and contrivances in just about any film you can name, even those considered classics, and I state that not as an apology for TDK or for Nolan (I'm no apologist, as you like to label me, because I actually don't think that there is anything to apologise for), I'm just saying it as an axiom. Perhaps TDK does have a few more of those moments than some other films (I tend not- unlike yourself- to watch films that annoy me or I have a distaste for over and over again so I can run a contrivance tally) but considering just how high it set the bar for a Comic Book/Superhero movie I can forgive a few missteps. Some of them, anyway, I think that you are reading your own viewpoint to hard into. Anything can become a conrtivance if you want to see it that way, even a perfectly rational or irrational piece of human behaviour or, as in the bus timing, the serendipitous movement of an arch villain. Might even matter if the film in question wasn't great Cinema.
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She looks better than Black Widow. I'll give Nolan that.
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but LMFAO, that photo looks all kinds of cheese and unispired.
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You mean... that stupid fat fuck Harry was tricked?! HOW CAN THAT BE?
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He tells two different stories on how he got his scars. And it isn't a character inconsistancy, it is perfectly in keeping with his character as a Lokiesque, crime prince, serpent. Nothing that he does is straight and true and that IS in the very nature of the Joker. Christian? Don't be fucking stupid.
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Ra's, Catwoman, Bane- in the comics they are all people of color. Ra's is vaguely middle eastern, Catwoman is a stacked Italian fuckmonster (see the miniseries "When In Rome") and obviously Bane is Hispanic. What happened there? Why did everyone get turned into a Nordic Aryan perfect white person? Nolan is a pasty, limpwristed queen if I ever saw one, and I know my queens. No, I don't mean he's gay, but he just has that fishlipped, fucking cold British thing going on, and it is reflected in his casting choices, particularly in the women he casts.
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well, I told you that I was no apologist; and I'm not defending the ferry scene, I'm saying that it is the HEART and FUCKING SOUL of the movie. That goes way beyond defence, wouldn't you say.
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Anyone who TBs obsessive, purely negative rants for hours on end throughout the wee hours of the morning.... a) has too much time on his hands b) is out of his mind AND c) is a troll. So what separates you from someone like Choppah? Choppah can be (occasionally) legitimately funny. You--otoh--are a troll totally devoid of humor. You're simply boring. What a waste...
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It's simply the Joker. Y'know why we aren't as wiped-out crazed by any of this as we were when TDK was leaking? Because it has no Joker. We already know what Nolan can do as a storyteller. Adding that to the idea of having The Joker once again blew us away. But Bane? Catwoman? It can't possibly get to that hype level. MAYBE with Ed Nygma we could have a taste of that. We all love the Joker. We wanted to see the Joker. Non comic-book geeks were enthralled by TDK because even them know the Joker, and the big deal with it was the shock of our expectation for a character everyone knew with a new interpretation. No one knows Bane. Or at least, have him as a top notch villain. So what if he broke Batman in half? Does that make him appealing? Interesting? Memmorable? I trust in Nolan. For me, because of THE PRESTIGE, more than Inception or TDK. It's his thing and he will rock. But no Joker, no hype.
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Ok, carry on. I like the movie, it appeals to me in terms of being a Batman movie and a Nolan movie, but I see why you get wound up by these things you've pointed out. I personally don't feel that way, but horses for courses. I do however agree with you on the religions thing. I just don't feel quite as strongly about it. Also, if you're going to be like Neo, please don't fall foul of his poor decisions. That third movie was the worst.
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Making a strident, pseudo-intellectual, weeping statement on AICN TB doesn't make it true. You're demonstrably an obsessive and a humorless nut. Whether or not you're a troll is kind of immaterial.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 7:58 a.m. CST
Regarding Viggeo's: Nolan loves him some plain, mediocre, pasty white chicks.
by CartoonFanboy
Well he is British after all.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST
zurenarrh, I guess you forgot about Morgan Freeman, Ken Watanabe and Chin Han, to name a few?
by loafroaster
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Go easy on the fucking line breaks. Jesus. You and Choppah and your fucking annoying line breaks...
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Beats working!
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The rest of the film, however, was highly competent in every respect.
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Not really. Looks like Lara Croft, Salt, Black Widow, or any other attempt to sell fragile flowers as badass action heroines. All the larger than life stuff seems to be missing based on these pics. Remember our first glimpse of Two-face and Joker. They were wierd as hell, but in a cool, almost realistic way. This just looks boring. And I hate the usual negativity here, this may be the first pic I hate in the last few months.
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the final costume involves big cat ears.
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Time to move on, Slick.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 8:10 a.m. CST
The picture looks fine to me. The sad thing is all these clowns flaming the boards at 4am.
by Robo-Obi
Fucking no pussy getting geeks!
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Its no use, they are not listening!<p> Just let the studios drain them of their life force , they deserve it for being stupid !<P> Sure is cold on the Neberkenezer!But at least we got each other!<p>(theres a reference most of them wont even get!)
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Let's just look at the whole premise for a second. A man who dresses up like in a tight fitting bat suit. Yeah...right. The whole super-hero thing is pretty hard to swallow right from the get-go, but these comics sell by the shed-load for people who are prepared to suspend disbelief. You either get it, or you don't. I mean...one of the greatest investigative reporters in the "world"; Lois Lane...and she is bamboozled for countless decades by some guy who simply slicks back his hair and puts on glasses. If you go looking for holes in these fantasy worlds then it will fall apart. If you take it as a bit of entertaining nonsense, then it succeeds. In Nolan's REAL world, Peter Parker would have been bitten by the radioactive spider and died a horrible death. Just go with it, or go elsewhere.
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It must be her facial features that I'm not a fan of, I guess.
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Everyone here will go see ROTDK opening weekend based on the track record of the series.
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It's 11pm here in Aus, not 4am. I doubt I'll get pussy in the next five hours but you never know.
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Kerri Washington Zoe Saldana ? Kandyse McClure Marsha Thomason Rochelle Aytes That's off the top of my pasty white head...
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Aug. 5, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST
Anyone watched Goodfellas recently? I'll admit, I was sucked in the FIRST TIME...
by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS
And then i watched it again. And again. And every time i watched it again, i looked at more objectively and realized it was fucking stupid. And like i said, nearly every scene falls apart just like this one, when you rewatch it. The 'funny how?' scene. At first? Cool, right? Wow, Tommy is sure INTIMIDATING isn't he! But watch it again. See just how retarded that whole scene plays out now. The supposed *engaging* sequence of dialogue ONLY works if Henry tells him he's a 'funny guy'. Think about it. What if Henry DOESN'T say that. How does the scene play out? Yup, it doesn't. Awkward moment for the Tommy, huh?
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well I guess that we just can't find common ground on this one, then. I'm as aware of the "flaws" as you are and have put that word in quotation marks bcause I just don't see them in such a damaging light as you do; they are numerous: Joker telling cop he had killed six of his friends with a knife, when?: afore mentioned hundreds of barrels of gasoline or explosives in two warehouse explosions, the hospital and the ferries: Batman knowing where Dent and Schiff were: Gordon's fellow cops not realising he was wearing a bullet proof vest: the cell phone in the chest: the cops abandoning the capture of the Joker when the hospital threat is made: the timing of that threat on TV is also off: and so on. Numerous, as I said But, do any of these or the culmination of these prevent TDK being a great film?: not for me, they don't. I also think that you are being too harsh on Nolan and this film in particular; it may not meet what YOU see as great Cinema but it isn't the deliberate con trick that you are making it out to be; it isn't Nolan being superior and making a film that he knows is not up to snuff but that the great unwashed masses will never understand to be, really, shallow. It isn't Nolan just showing off. Nolan is trying to make the best superhero film he can in the only way he knows how. If it is a choice between Nolan's The Dark Knight, flaws and all, or Schumacher's Batman and fucking Robin, I know which I'd rather see.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST
I hope they dont "hint" that Superman shares the same Nolanverse with this Batman.
by hank henshaw
If that's the case, Superman will be bogged down by having to force him into this "realistic" take on superheroes (a stupid endeavor, in my opinion, but I can understand why people love it). Besides, if they are really working towards a Justice League movie, like Warner said this week, does it mean Bale's Batman will show up with Reynolds' GL? Will they reboot GL then? They don't fit together. This Batman is way too grounded, and not smart enough (compared to the comic's counterpart) to justify his survival against JL-sized catastrophes. For once, I'm hoping Nolan keeps his word and finishes his trilogy the way he started it: there is no space for other superheroes in his take on the Batman mythos.
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well I guess that we just can't find common ground on this one, then. I'm as aware of the "flaws" as you are and have put that word in quotation marks bcause I just don't see them in such a damaging light as you do; they are numerous: Joker telling cop he had killed six of his friends with a knife, when?: afore mentioned hundreds of barrels of gasoline or explosives in two warehouse explosions, the hospital and the ferries: Batman knowing where Dent and Schiff were: Gordon's fellow cops not realising he was wearing a bullet proof vest: the cell phone in the chest: the cops abandoning the capture of the Joker when the hospital threat is made: the timing of that threat on TV is also off: and so on. Numerous, as I said But, do any of these or the culmination of these prevent TDK being a great film?: not for me, they don't. I also think that you are being too harsh on Nolan and this film in particular; it may not meet what YOU see as great Cinema but it isn't the deliberate con trick that you are making it out to be; it isn't Nolan being superior and making a film that he knows is not up to snuff but that the great unwashed masses will never understand to be, really, shallow. It isn't Nolan just showing off. Nolan is trying to make the best superhero film he can in the only way he knows how. If it is a choice between Nolan's The Dark Knight, flaws and all, or Schumacher's Batman and fucking Robin, I know which I'd rather see.
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Yeah, but those are ACCEPTABLE peeps of color to the Nordic masters. Freeman is a magical black guy, Watanabe and Han are there for the stoic, kind-of-white Eastern demo (or should I say Orient). There is a specific lack of fire-blooded Latino / Hispanic characters, which is odd, considering that two of the villians in this movie are generally accepted to have dirty Latin blood running through their primitive veins. Being a self-hating Puerto Rican, I empathize with Nolan's disgust at the hotblooded peoples of the world, but that doesn't mean they should be denied outright. And I guess having Ra's being a Middle Eastern superterrorist would've been too un-PC for the delicate fucking sensibilities of the postmodern filmgoing world.
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Top ten reasons the Dark Knight sucks (in my humble opinion): 10. The joker is left alone with the policemen at the station with no restraints. Why? So he could get out (the cops would have never done that). 9. The “death” of Gorden. Yeah, we all knew he actually wasn't dead, and that's fine, but Nolan still took the time to try and convince us (like the scene with his wife) – insulting and just more bloat. 8. The bat-cycle pops out of the tumbler. I'm sorry folks, but this is almost as stupid as Batman popping skates from his shoes in Batman and Robin (also ranks right up their with that Timothy Dalton Bond movies where the semi pulls a wheelie). 7. The apparent complete ineptness of the police. Really, the joker could capture and kidnap an entire squad of officers, replace them with imposters, and nobody saw any of this? 6. Morgan Freeman almost quitting over concerns for peoples privacy. Sigh. Another inane plot point to add suspense (but doesn't). This is what he would choose to quit over? I guess he won't be working at Murdoch owned newspapers. 5. The entire, ridiculous, badly written, bloated sequence on the two boats. Not a single person utters a believable line or behaves in a believable fashion. No prisoners would go running for the side of the boat and take their chances? Same for the boat of citizens? Really? None of the guards or warden are capable of showing any leadership? None of the prisoners freak out or riot? Tiny Lister as the prisoner with the heart of gold? Sigh. 4. 3 minutes of screen time for the Scarecrow. Why even include him? One of the scariest bad guys in Batman lore is reduced to a punchline. And don't get me started on the the fake batmen running around. 3. Complete waste of Donnie Darko's sister. 2. Tie – First - Wasting two-faces time – all 6 minutes of it. Why squeeze his storyline in at the end? It somehow feels both truncated and bloated at the same time (probably because by this point I was wishing the movie had ended 20 minutes ago). Second – how quickly the people of Gotham turn on Batman. So, Batman saves the entire city from destruction in Batman Begins, but because a terrorist is running around scaring people they think Batman should be strung up? Nolan comes no-where close to convincing me that things are so bad the people would turn on him. Just more hollow story points being checked off (and yes, I know by having a tie here it really makes my list a top 11 list). 1. The utter eye-rolling ridiculous that is the Joker. Sure, he starts off kind of scary (and Heath does a good job), but then he keeps piling on one inane spectacle after another, all the while proclaiming that he's into anarchy and doesn't really make plans. Really? The bank heist, the bombs on the boats, the bombs with Rachel and Harvey, the bomb inside of the big dude, the bombs at the hospital, all the timers, electronics and communication devices and manpower needed to set off the bombs, the capturing of the money, the planned capture of the Joker so he could (while not getting killed by Batman mind you) pull of the big guy/Harvey/Rachel bombs, and the capturing of the police squad and the assassination attempt. I have visions of the Joker with his 30 assistants for day long team meetings - Joker - “Next on the agenda, the bomb inside the fat guy to help me escape from prison when I let Batman capture me. Who's working on that?” - Toby - “I am Boss. I've got a surgeon coming in from Belgium who says that he can do it” - Joker - “What airline did you use? Virgin I hope?” - Toby – “Air France was cheaper so I went with them” - Joker - “Toby, you didn't remember that my frequent flyer plan is with Virgin did you?” - I could go on but it would require me watching the movie again which ain't happening. So that's the list. I don't mind people liking the film, and I don't think you are retards or wankers or any of the other insults that have been thrown around. I just disagree with you. By the way, I loved Batman Begins, which is why I was so disappointed that The Dark Knight was such a bloated mess. I'm keep my fingers crossed for the the next one...
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While the adult in me has enjoyed the Nolan's cerebral take on Batman, the child in me misses the pure fun of Burton's Batman. Between the two, I've found that I am more lonely to put in Burton's Batman when I am in the mood for a Batman flick. I LOVE the Catwoman imagery in Returns and Michelle Phieffer was a Goddess in that role. Burton nailed the scenes between Batman and Catwoman and perfectly played up the duality and torn nature of the two.
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You just made me chuckle. A lot.
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<quote> I have a better sense of humor, and i'm more witty, and insightful when it comes to film than probably 95% of the people on this webiste. I have performed some pretty hilarious, insightful deconstructions of things like the Prequels, the end of Lost, etc. on this website (goes back far beyond my *Viggeo* handle...). <quote> Ok, that WAS funny! So... do you enjoy being a pretentious, self-satisfied hipster? Or do you even realize you're a walking/talking cliche? For the record, I've been around these parts since the late nineties. And I've seen blowhards like you come and go. Carry on, troll.
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might be able to get it if you could spell Nebuchadnezzar.
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Yeah, haters are hilarious. good luck with NOT enjoying what will surely be the best fucking batman movie in history~!~
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Rosario Dawson Aisha Tyler
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My guess is that they are setting this up as one of two things: Either these are flashbacks to when both Bane and Kyle were Wayne Enterprises employees working in R&D and later on they've figured out some things about Batman OR these two have got a powerful backer (JG Levitt?) who is ponying up the cash to give them arms and tech equal to Batman so they can take him on. Either way, the story works. And I suspect the look you see of Catwoman here is not her "field" look but rather just part of the testing process for the pod.
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brilliant; trying to say things like "but what if that hadn't happened at that particular time" in something that's frakkin SCRIPTED is pretty moronic. and also agree with where tandemar57 is coming from; you start pulling at threads in this type of movie- liked the Lois Lane bit- then everything comes apart.
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I do use Hathaway to measure up the hetereosexuality of a man. It's too easy with girls like Scarlett and Bellucci, who are super-voluptuous. Even gays can figure out thhose are owman the heteros would love so they can use them as their disguise. But it's less obvious girls like Hathaway that are the true litmus test. she doens't have those basic liche elements of female sexual attraction, like huge tits or ass. She's the girl that can confuse a gay into mistakenly thinking she's not a sexy woman. That's when he's caught and hooked, line and sinker, in his atempt at deception. The best traps are the subtle ones. True heterosexuals know and understand imediatly why Hathaway is sexy and an object of desire.
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Spiderman 3 had everything going for it and still managed to make some major mistakes. Is Nolan impervious to this curse?
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She has beautiful eyes. Why the hell would you cover them up? And she'd damn well BETTER have kitty ears or else she's NOT Catwoman! First short, sheep-coated Bane and now this. I dunno....not looking like what I was hoping for.
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Nolan strives for realism in the look and feel of Gotham and its inhabitants and greatly succeeds. Yet the first film's premise is built on this goofy comic-book story involving the league of shadows. I know Ra's is an amazing comic book villain, but to see him actually want to destroy an entire living breathing city for the better good takes extreme dramatics to a whole new level. It just doesn't translate well on film when we can't see what could have made a person so passionate about sacking a city for the greater good. The line, "Gotham Must Be Destroyed" just seemed way out of place in the type of realistic world Nolan was trying to create. I get the main gist of it, but I don't think it was delivered well and I'm not certain that it can be delivered any better. It just seemed hokey to me. My two cents.
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Sexy...freaky...crazy...everything she should be. This looks pretty boring. Nolan just doesn't do women right. Always pics fugly women.
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I really felt like that would be the case when we heard the costume was more functional than past versions. It has to make some sense in Nolan's Batman, and when you think of a 'cat burglar' this falls right in line with that. The glasses are strange, and clearly have some sort of function that I'm sure we'll find out about. I'm not wowed, but that seems appropriate. I'm pleased with it and know whatever the case is, it'll be great on film. The fact that she's on the Batpod is far more interesting than the costume.
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Make Selina one of those body modification freaks who wants to make herself look like a cat through plastic surgery and tattoos. She could even cut her ears to be pointy. Would kind of fit in with the bondage theme of Bane's costume, don't you think?
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Aug. 5, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST
We never saw previews of Ledger's Joker until winter 2007
by BoyNamedSue
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I've never thought these were realistic. I do think Nolan has tried to put them in as realistic a setting as possible, but there's nothing realistic about the premise in the first place. So you're not wrong, but I don't think Nolan is trying to make a movie that is realistic.... he's just trying to surround the more ridiculous elements in a realistic looking world, with some plausible circumstances. I don't see how you could make a truly realistic Batman film. If one did, it wouldn't be Batman.
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I can only hope that one day I'll be like you and have a better sense of humor, and be more witty, and insightful when it comes to film than probably 95% of the people on this webiste. Hopefully I'll be as modest too.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST
viggeo_morgenstein, are you trying to me my version for the TDK movie?
by AsimovLives
At least i have very good reasons for being a mega-basher of ABRAMS TREK, considering that movie is an unredeamable retard piece of shit. You are going mega-basher on a director who has proved his quality many times over and in one of the best movies made in recent times? Isn't there some Roland Emmerich movie you should spent your time bashing instead?
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Being so close to vacations is making me absent-minded.
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My convictions re religion are strong enough, thanks. I don't have the time to commit to it. I find it far easier to ignore, and there are plenty of other things I'm far more passionate about.
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Seriously. I hope that's not the full costume. Either way, I don't think Hathaway's got what it takes to overtake Pfeffier. She's been hyped up by the Academy as the next Julia Roberts, and even that horseface was 10x better as an actress than Anne. Anne cannot act. Period. Rachel's Getting Married was a good movie if only Hathaway was never in it. Princes Dairies? Ella Enchanted? Now Catwoman? Screw that. Oh yeah, and her eyes are too big for her face. And what's with that big mouth with so much teeth and gum? Did Joker widened it or something? It's TOO MUCH.
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Is it an actual working prototype
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better make out on the rooftop. that'll be so romantic.
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it seems that she was arrested and brought to City hall. This just so happens to be where Bane and Talia are attacking. Bats fights Bane outside and the fight goes inside. Supposedly in there Bats gets stabbed by Talia. I'm guessing she uses the mayhem as an opportunity to escape and steals the Batpod to make her getaway.
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It was reported that she will wear a true mask at some point in the movie.. whether it's a precursor to this, or a later version of this costume remains to be seen.
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From the neck down it looks like the Catwoman gear. It would be cool to see some pointy cat ears at some point in the movie. Who knows, maybe this is just part of an evolution of the character and her costume. They did the same with Batman in Batman Begins.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST
by viggeo_morgenstein: "I would love to hear these apparent *legionary strengths* of TDK" What the hell you wrote in there? It makes no sense!
by AsimovLives
Whe nsoemone says that something is legion it mean it has a lot of things for it. It's taken from the Bible, the new testement, and it's poetic form to say "it's many". It's taken form the fact that a roman legion, at it's height, was formed of about 60,000 strong men. At that time, that would be a one huge motherfucking army. "Legionary" is a roman solider from a legion, or, today, any soldier from any military unit that's called a legion. Like, say, France's Foreign Legion.
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The character seems to always slow the Batman story to a halt. She's not evil enough or, or good enough, to be interesting. Nolan hasn't made a movie I don't like yet(even Insomnia), but I'm having a hard time believing even he can make the character interesting. The photo actually looks like something out of X-Men. Catwoman being included feels like something forced on Nolan by the studio to appease the female audience. I would have been more then happy with Bane as the main and only villain.
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Then..meh...
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Aug. 5, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST
I don't expect the new Nolan's Batman movie to be as good as TDK. I don't need it to. Being as good as BATMAN BEGINS would already make me a supremely happy costumer.
by AsimovLives
TDK's quality is the type that's unexpected. It goes beyond the call of duty. It's bonus.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9 a.m. CST
Sorry, didn't know I was talking to a PROFESSIONAL troll.
by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS
AARRGGHH!! Why are there people who don't see things like I do!? I must EDUCATE them!! They must SEE that they are WRONG and I am RIGHT!! They will all thank me for it! Oh why was I cursed with this superior intellect and a better sense of humor, wit and insightful when it comes to film than probably 95% of the people on this webiste!!! WHY!!??
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9 a.m. CST
For everyone saying "We went through this with TDK", NO WE FUCKING DIDN'T!
by Jaster
Yes we were concerned about "Brokeback Joker"...until we SAW him. Then we were all on fucking board, except for some hard cases. And then when we saw that opening scene (was it in front of Superman Returns IMAX? It was definitely on the Batman Begins Blu-ray) we were FUCKING SOLD! This is totally different. True we haven't seen the performances yet, but Bane is a shrimp in a McCloud coat and Mortal Kombat mask and Catwoman is in a suit from Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back with Spy Kids goggles. THAT'S NOT GOOD!
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not work safe http://www.idontlikeyouinthatway.com/pictures/20080226/marion%20cotill ard%20naked/big_marion%20cotillard%20nude%203.html people are going to forget about catwoman, Marion is going to steal the movie
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...from reading all these posts. It's been fun, but it's making my eyes go funny.
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[url]http://www.idontlikeyouinthatway.com/pictures/20080226/marion%20cotillard%20naked/big_marion%20cotillard%20nude%203.html[/url] try not to get any on your monitor
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You forgot to mention FOLLOWING. It's a pretty damn good movie too, and it was Nolan's first thatrical release. One afun note, there's a scene in FOLLOWING where the main characters go break into an apartment, and in one of the doors it has a batman sticker glued to it. In hindsight it's quite hillarious.
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I'm behind just about everything Nolan has done so far with this franchise but not this time. Interestingly under this photo on the official website is the caption ‘Selina Kyle’ and not ‘Catwoman’. In the official press release back in January ‘Anne Hathaway’ was announced as having been cast as ‘Selina Kyle’ with no mention of ‘Catwoman’! I wonder if Nolan is reinterpreting the character without the Catwoman moniker and going by this pic without the distinctive costume features that make her ‘Catwoman’? If this is the case that would be even more disappointing, still I need to keep myself in check and just wait to see the movie!
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I agree that she aint Catwoman unless she has Cat Ears. If Nolan is hellbent on keeping with the realism, he could explain the cat ears like he explained the bat "ears" in Begins...they house some sort of radio listening device.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST
I wonder why every body has access to Batman´s toys this time around?
by LUIS
did Lucious Fox have an Ebay sale?
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Interesting analysis. Since this was a superhero summer movie, my only expectations were to see cool action scenes, fights, and explosions and they were met perfectly. In other words, I think you wanted a filet mignon dinner, I wanted to go to the Jack in The Box drive thru... But I have one question for you. How many times have you seen the film before you were able to formulate your ideas? Because if it's more than once, you've already lost! See, the people who make these films are laughing at you because of the extra $ you've given them for the movie ticket, popcorn, DVD/Blu-Ray rental or purchase, etc... This allows them to go ahead and make sequels which you will probably hate but see anyway. The best way to show your disdain towards these kinds of movies is to not see them, plain and simple. It's a waste of your time and money, and also a waste of your time when you yell at people whose opinions you won't change... Oh, and for future reference, please use the word 'its' properly. When you type the word as 'it's' it is always a contraction for the words 'it is'. This grammatical error is a pet peeve of mine, but it only helps to undermine your arguments. Thanks again for the analysis (no sarcasm intended, I really appreciate for once someone backing up their opinion with specific examples).
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST
TDK= Nearly Flawless; BB= Meh.......................................
by crackerfarmboy
The small but vocal group of internet contrarians who are trying to denounce The Dark Knight are absurd. You really can't create a better, tighter, more compelling, and more relevant crime drama. Give Nolan props for that. Is it a Batman film in the traditional? Well, that's another story... But it's still nothing short of a masterpiece. My question is: where's the complaints about Batman Begins? That film was so shockingly mediocre. There was so much wrong with this film: ignored characters, uninspired villains, absurd villain aims, and just a general blandness to the whole thing. To this day I still don't "get" how that movie got off so fanboy complaint free?
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It is obvious that you wanted to love and be loved by this movie. As the saying goes "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned." So you are upset because the movie didn't live up to what you wanted it to be. And worse, it turned out to be exactly what you wanted, but only for so many other people. Now you are on a self-proclaimed "crusade" against the film. Literally losing sleep over it it. And you present this petty ex-lover BS as a quest for truth? A philosophical excercise? Get over yourself. Logical fallacies? This isn't metaphysics. It's a discussion about a comic book movie. And though the visual style is intended to look grounded in reality, the story is still an examination of archetypes. It requires suspension of disbelief. I'm not asking you to like the movie. But trying to convince me (or anyone) that my experience of a film is objectively wrong is a lost cause. Get some sleep.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST
Still not that crazy about the Joker's look in TDK but loved the film
by Stan Gable
It is hilarious that, even with Nolan's track record on EVERY film he has made, trolls and retards are still freaking out over a couple of early publicity shots. People went ape-shit over a CGI Incredible Hulk that was "too big" and cartoony. I guarantee that if Nolan went the same route with Bane you nerds would be making the same complaint. Now we see half of Anne Hathaway and you have the same level of dread that you would if your mom told you that you had to move out of her basement next month. If the first still released from Batman Begins was of his first Batman costume, with the ski mask and no cape would your heads have exploded thinking that was the final version?? Calm down, go back to World of Warcraft for a little while, and check back in six months when some more complete teasers start to come out.
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Your Hathaway theory is outstanding. The other day during a lunchtime conversation at work I happened to off-handedly describe Madonna as a rotten old, gap-toothed, cock-sucking troll, and a gay guy accused me of being a closet homosexual because I didn't consider her to be a sex goddess. So I'm acutely aware of the confusion you refer to in the gay community about what constitutes an attractive woman.
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well I could do with some definition then as to what you mean by "black"; are you talking strictly African, Nigerian, Somalian, Cameroonian (sic) Afro-American, Jamaican or what. We may have a little looser definition of what it is to be black here in the UK than in the States.
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I wish i too had the balls to stand up against the conformist (mostly Nolan apologist) AICN talkbackers. Your agaisnt the grain views on TDK is refreshing and rebelious (and to be honest just darn right edgy)and id like to hear more of your superior opinion about it. No sarcasm, seriously please impregnate my wife - she wont have sex with me due to my inferior "street cred" on the AICN talkback boards. I like many of your eager fans await with baited breathe your future creative contributions to the world.
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I seriously cant wait for this, you people are crazy! Did you really think Nolan was gonna put cat ears etc.... on Catwoman? No. Im stoked about this more gritty but hi-tech look. Oh and same goes with Bane, love the look! Dont judge a book by its cover people
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He's a pretentious douchebag with delusions of grandeur who gets off on obsessively criticizing a generally well regarded, well loved film. TDK too mainstream for ya, bud? Heh. Looks like I stepped on a corn.
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If she does steal the Batpod, maybe she steals some of Bruce's ears/receivers as well and uses those? Bruce did order a few thousand in BB. "At least we'll have spares." She could just attach them to a different cowl.
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You do not live in Europe, do you? Because in Europe, and this includes the UK, comics even of the superheroic variety downplay the flashiness of the costumes and try to play down the fantasy elements and go more for a characterization and a sense of reality to them. Nolan's Batman movies has an european comics approach to them. And least you forget, Nolan is british. His sensebilities are form across the pond. He has felt no need to catter exclusively to the american audiences alone, and the worldwide sucess of his movies proves his strategy works. As a blockbuster filmmaker, he's the complete opposite of Michael Bay or JJ Abrams, and he's so much the better for it.
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It's just the first shot! You think all will be revealed as to how the character looks with the first shot?! Consider the source, folks. This production team is notorious for keeping their cards close to the chest. I do agree with idustrykiller that the aesthetic is paramount, but mark my words she's not wearing the full costume. Zoom in and look at the goggles. Notice the nose piece on the bridge off the nose, and the streamlined band around her head. I promise you guys she'll have some kind of hood that will make her look like Catwoman. But the Nolansquad wants the fans to be surprised about something. So everyone who's freaking out just rub your earlobes till the trailer comes out - then you will be happy. And Viggeo - I think the REAL question about Anne H. is if she would fuck YOU?
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST
Dark Knight is one of those films we'll look at in 20 years
by kidicarus
And say, "Goddamn, they don't make movies like that anymore, do they?", just as we're buying our IMAX 12-D tickets for Transformers 6: The Reboot
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST
Also, viggeo, disagree with everything you've said except about Holmes' breasts in The Gift
by THE_CHOPPAH
Seriously burned a hole in that DVD pausing that scene.
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And frankly I had not considered them before. The idea that people are automatically and IMMEDIATELY going to go apeshit and murder-crazy because the Joker says he will blow up a hospital flies directly in the face of the point the film tries to make at the end with the two ferries.
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no contrivancies or inconsistencies in Raiders? How about Jones on top of the submarine conning hatch when the submarine will either: A): submerge in which he is either going to drown or be stranded in the middle of the Ocean or B): it will run on the surface in which case the conning hatch will be open and the conning tower manned with lookouts who will SEE him, for fraks sake. And what about that Arab asleep outside the pyramid when Jones pushes over a huge, heavy stone block right by his head which lands with a crump but doesn't wake him. Or the lid on the Ark that gets blasted thousands of feet up into the air but drops back straight on top of the Ark, sealing it again. Or what about the tent that Jones ducks into at the dig which just happens to house Marion, who he thought was dead. No contrivancies or inconsistencies there.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST
More catwoman set pics: http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/anne-hathaway-as-dark-knight-rises-catwoman-first-look-02.jpg and http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/anne-hathaway-as-dark-knight-rises-catwoman-first-look-04.jpg
by Valaquen
Stunt double, not Hathaway
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It spends the whole first half saying that the point of using a bat costume is that it will strike fear into people so he can take them down. Then all of a sudden people ATTACK him because they are afraid of him. What the fucking fuck!?
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I don't agree that BB was mediocre, but I get what you're saying. I certainly think TDK was a major step forward... but I'll say this about BB. For Batman fans, it was huge. We had not seen a Batman on screen that was a true to the source material. That was huge. Out of the four previous versions there hits and there were major misses. I'd say only Batman 89 came close to being a true version of the comics Batman, but BB nailed it. If you feel the story was a little blah, or that it wasn't an overall good 'film'.. then I get that. My only point is it's easy for me to see why it isn't criticized. At the time, it was a huge step forward, and set the tone as it should have been for the franchise. It's such an important film, even if it isn't as well done as TDK. So I also get why it's revered, and I'm among that group. I'm happy that that the sequel surpassed the original, and I hope this sequel does the same to TDK. Also, coming off the heels of Batman and Robin, BB looked like a freaking masterpiece.. so there's that.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST
When people say thatth catwoman photo above is gay... do you mean it's lesbian?
by AsimovLives
Because i fail to see why a lesbian catwoman would be a bad thing. As long she does the lesbo nasty with some other beauty.... onscreen.
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Yeah. Viggeo's a real critical genius. I bet he counts his cheerios every morning too.
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Pics over at Batman News.com have side views of the stunt double during the shooting of the City Hall scene. She has thigh high boots and gloves like the Balent version. And the utility belt with pouches. Except no purple and black just black. Also really see how skintight suit is. So win-win.
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I didn't mention Following because I haven't seen it and it's sort of a student type film, Nolan getting his feet, experimenting sort of thing (or at least I was led to believe so). Although it did turn a (small) profit so, yeah, I should have included it. Have got a copy now so will watch in the near future.
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Re: Raiders A): submerge in which he is either going to drown or be stranded in the middle of the Ocean or B): it will run on the surface in which case the conning hatch will be open and the conning tower manned with lookouts who will SEE him, for fraks sake. -- In the novelization, Indy straps himself to the periscope (which miraculously doesn't retract) and hangs on for the ride all the way to the island. He blocks out the pain and cold by occupying his mind trying to remember old girlfriend's phone numbers etc. And what about that Arab asleep outside the pyramid when Jones pushes over a huge, heavy stone block right by his head which lands with a crump but doesn't wake him. -- Huh? Or the lid on the Ark that gets blasted thousands of feet up into the air but drops back straight on top of the Ark, sealing it again. -- The force inside the Ark that vaporized the Nazis simply sucked the lid back down when it was done wreaking havoc. Or what about the tent that Jones ducks into at the dig which just happens to house Marion, who he thought was dead. -- A lucky break.
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I remember being unimpressed by all the early photos from the last two films, so I'm going to reserve judgement. However, I wouldn't throw her out of bed for eating crackers.
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And the costume is more detailed there - I can see a cat-cowl being attached to that costume as it looks more like the modern Catwoman from the comics. Therefore I think that during a fight in the city hall building, or some kind of embrace with Batman maybe, her cowl is removed so she has to steal the Batpod without her cowl on.
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What a f'n joke! Oscars are already a joke, now this...pfffffffffttt
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Link?
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a lucky break exactly, a contrivance. you'll have to check out the film again to notice that sleeping arab; it's when Indy and Marion get out of their entombment. couldn't give a frak what's in the novelization, I'm talking film here (but just to get this straight; does the sub run submerged with the periscope up? Because that's fucking whack and certainly NOT U Boat standing orders). The Lid, yeah, magic, still a contrivance and a little bit silly which is why Spielberg masks the audiences titters with a cunning sound effect of the Lid closing.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9:49 a.m. CST
I'm officially lowering my expectations for this film.
by fat_rancor_keeper
Sorry but someone's gotta say it.......we need a reality check here and our expectations lowered. There's a lot of info/news about this movie floating around right now and unfortunately a lot of it is either mediocre or questionable. Here's the things that concern me so far... - The actual title is uninspired and derivative...but that's far from a deal breaker and I'm sure the title is relevant to the plot. The thing is no matter how much it ties into the story that doesn't change the fact that it makes use of the word Rises like any number of countless summer popcorn shit fests. - The teaser was kinda weak. It was mostly just voice over and old clips. Plus - Comm. Gorden laying in a bed? C'mon Nolan, in the last movie we saw this guy injured and "killed" now we're going back to the well already on an incapacitated Comm. Gorden? The teaser was cool in that it was NEW Batman but honestly it was also - Zzzzz... - Bane and Catwoman early images are very unimpressive. I'd rather we see an official character specific promo image rather then this underwhelming "leaked" shit. Remember the awesome image of Heath with Gotham behind him? Or all the smiley face and why so serious signs? This time around we're seeing brightly lit crappy set photos which are doing NOTHING in the way showing these characters in a way that they actually appear cool. Granted, it's hard to say how much of what we're seeing is really indicative of what will be in the film. But right now all I'm seeing is an average chick in leather and a dude who looks like an extra from Street Fighter. There's nothing about Nolan's Bane so far that's makes me think of the Bane character. If that dude showed up at a costume party ask yourself - would you say "oh that's Bane from the Batman comics!" - The villains. Maybe Nolan can pull it off, maybe he can't. I'm not 100% sold that Riddler wouldn't have been a better choice. Instead we're likely going to get another complex story involving Talia Al-Ghul, Raz, the mob, bane, Catwoman and who knows what else. On paper it looks like we could be treading in cluster-fuck territory. On a related note, as much as love TDK I'll also admit it doesn't hold up as well on repeated viewings. The cracks show. And by cracks I mean serious plot issues which revolve around shit just fucking happening either because "Joker is behind it" or just to keep things moving. Anyway - I still have hope this movie will be good. But I'm lowering my expectations until something comes along that actually shows me something I can honestly look at and say AWESOME.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST
by viggeo_morgenstein: "The ultimate point is that Batman doesn't need to *bust genres*" Speak for yourself, buddy.
by AsimovLives
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so i'm gonna stop looking at this production shots. Those hi-tech sci-fi Oakley's look horrible. Don't really wanna see another Catwoman its been done very well in the past by several different women but she does look like Julie Newmar and I like the emphasis on the catburglar angle if she is stealing his batcycle. that Bane pic was depressing but Nolan hasn't disappointed yet.
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It could be Selina Kyle is building up her tech and costume, stealing the batpod, the goggles, etc... Bruce had money to buy the cowl, maybe Selina has to save up first. As long as this isn't the end product of her costume, I will be happy.
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The photobucket link just goes to the main photobucket page and batman-news.com just has this pic.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST
This is a sad day. So we will see Kyle's alternate persona in this movie
by moonlightdrive
And I will say like I've sad since the start: I'm not buying it. I can't see the Catwoman character working and the casting makes me doubt it even more. I can't stand Hathaway and especially for this character and this pic does nothing to dispell those sentiments.
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Unlike some other superhero I know.
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I made the rookie mistake of swiping the whole link and not realizing it contained 2 different links. I gotta say the fucking stunt double is hotter than Hathaway!
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and also an annoying actress, in a Julia Roberts kind of way. Am I gay now?
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'Valaquen' put some pics a few comments up
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10 a.m. CST
Nolan is not God. A great, great filmmaker, but not infallible.
by HapaPapa72
Even Stevie Wonder made "I Just Called to Say I Love You." Nolan had to have a clinker at some point. Okay, a big hit with clinky seams. Bring it on, zealots.
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and that actress from Precious, mmm i love thick women!
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST
Guys, ther's soemthing you ar enot taking into account yet: never once the production of this movie claimed that Catwoman is in the movie.Hathaway character is always mentioned as Seline Kyle.
by AsimovLives
Sure we know that Seline Kyle is the civilian name of Catwoman. but it's interesting how the production of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES never mentions Hathaway character as Catwoman. It's always Seline Kyle, Seline Kyle, and Seline Kyle only. Does this mean something? Perhaps it does. What does it mean, i can't tell. But here's seem to be some porpose to the absense of calling Hathaway character as Catwoman as yet.
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http://ww <p> w.spaceavalanche.com/2009/02/16/batman/
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1. Nolan's "Joker" is a once-in-a-lifetime iconic event, and it's unfair to keep hoping for another. 2. Somebody please link me to the page where everyone was pissing and moaning about Heath Ledger being cast as the Joker.
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I see Anne refused to color or cut her hair. Another EPIC FAIL!
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Because at least she has an ASS....
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In her Catburgler getup.... Catburgler=Catwoman...get it? Sigh....
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She said it on Oprah or whatever. The video of her saying Catwoman is on batman-news.com or any number of other places, including AICN.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST
I love how people figure out the entire movie from a few photos
by arcane1
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:12 a.m. CST
My guess: Selena Kyle is not Catwoman through most of the movie -- like how Bruce wasn't Batman in the first half of Batman Begins...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
And those googles she's wearing are not hers originally -- they are what a soldier would wear while driving the Batpod (which, sans Batman labeling, could be considered a Bikepod).
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168125-catwoman-stunt-double-on-the-dark-knight-rises-set
by alienindisguise
even more lameness.
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At least Bane LOOKS like Bane. This is sort of evocative of the modern Catwoman (with goggles and stuff) but it still falls flat. None of the costumes thus far have the same visceral power as the "Ichi the Killer"-style Joker. That said, maybe it looks better in motion. Maybe....
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST
Thanks Viggeo....TDK is still one of my all-time favorite films though
by Jaster
I don't mind the flaws, I just had not noticed them before. Most of them are just silly things that all films have, but once I pieced together the fact that the film directly contradicts itself regarding how people react to a threat, that was an interesting revelation. I also always wondered how the Chinese guy took all the mob's money without them even knowing about it. He was just an accountant. He shouldn't have been able to do that.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:14 a.m. CST
viggeo_morgenstein, your atitude toward TDK reminds me a trope from TV Tropes called "It's Popular now It Sucks".
by AsimovLives
Your whole point of contention about TDK, if we distil it to it's basic, is that you are pissed that Batman has escaped it's comic niche and became a mega-sucess appreciated by a wide variety of audiences beside the comic book public. There's much to be said when filmmakers try to brach some comic book character form it's perceived nich market and expand that to a broader audience. But that's somethign that very comic movie being made recently, starting with BLADE and Singer's X-MEN have been trying to do. Likewise Abrams with his latetest Star Trek movie. I think the major issue is not that a once niche property is now mainstream. The real issue is if in the translation and transportation to mainstream, the property lost it's identity. In my point of view, a classic case of a property who lost it's idnetity for the same of being palatable to a mainstream audience is ABRAMS TREK. Nolan's Batman movies are the very opposite. They still etain so much of what is Batman, it even went back to the more classic depictions of Batman when it was first serialized while at the same time embracing the modernization aspects brough to the character since Frank Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. As such, nolan's Batman movies are a text book case on how to translate a niche property to the moianstream, and made it palatable to not just americna audiences but, and this is the most important thing, WORLDWIDE AUDIENCES, while still stay true to the idea and themes and soul behind the property. Viggeo_morgenstein, forgive me saying so, but you attitude for me looks like a bad case of sore knees.
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Yes, Hathaway said she was playing "Catwoman". But she didn't say how the name "Catwoman" would be used in the film. It could even be a nickname given to her by someone else that she hates, could be a codename, a call-sign, a million different things! For this film everyone needs to forget the Bane and Catwoman they've read about and seen before. Nolan's going to do it his way, and no matter what you say, you'll all be there opening night, because...In Nolan we trust!
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST
Frankly, this is the first pic I've seen that's got me jazzed for this movie!
by Darth_Kaos
Like its been sprinkled throughout this talkback, Nolan's Batman is set in Reality (ok, close as he can get) and this fits right. The "Cooke" model Catwoman would look cheesesy as fuck! and you guys would be bitching about that! personally I'm glad they didn't go with the goggles and ears. And folks....this is the outfit...this is no early version, then later she will magically appear in the outfit you want. For fuck sake grow up and accept that! You can't have it both ways, so clam the fuck down and wait for the first full trailer. Some you geeks are building up this movie as the holy grail. There's no way it's going to match your expectations. And even thought I have my issues with Nolan as a Filmmaker, I always enjoy his realistic spin on the Batman Universe with it's many flaws.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST
kevin_costners_recycled_piss, there's something quite wacky and insane about your nick. I love it.
by AsimovLives
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Put the word metaphysics into the context of my sentence (actually, first look the word metaphysics up. It is not a branch of science, it is a branch of philosophy). My point being that bringing up logical fallacies in a discussion regarding The Dark Knight is kind of overkill. We are discussing subjective response to a work of art (whether you like the film or not, I hope you are willing to grant me that much). If there were examples of clear logical fallacies in the posts above, just call those out. Throwing out the general statement "Boy, i'm witnessing all kinds of lovely LOGICAL FALLACIES being commited in this little debate today" just makes you look like a condescending second year philosophy student trying to show off your new tools of logic.
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Y'know, an uncontrollable obsession with the meat curtains that frame fish valley? But what I'm hearing is that what actually attracts you to women are (and I quote): "discernable hips, a well-formed buttocks, full breasts, and a pretty face." Sounds like you'd be equally attracted to a sumo wrestler that knew how to properly apply his foundation and could wield a mean pair o' tweezers. Know what I'm saying?
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST
This is why they did not put the googles on Hawk Eye for the Avengers...
by LUIS
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...should be way, way more excited for the Batman:Arkham City video game than you are for this movie. Seriously. And Catwoman is in it! I loved the Arkham Asylum game, and I'm not even really a Batman fan. I've never read the comic, and the only Batman movie I really like is "Batman Returns'; that's largely because of Pfeiffer, whose Catwoman is pretty definitive as far as I'm concerned. But I'll give Hathaway the benefit of the doubt for now. Truthfully, I'm not that enamored of Nolan's "realistic" take on the character and setting. I like my superhero stories to be a little less dour. (When one gets a bit older, one gets over the adolescent fetishizing of stories that are "dark" and "gritty."). I found BB rather ponderous, and while I thought TDK was an improvement, if you take Heath Ledger out of it, you're basically left with...nothing. As far as superhero movies go, the first "Iron Man" struck the perfect balance in tone, in my mind, and is leagues better than either of Nolan's Batman films. That said, I'm not a Nolan hater by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just more interested in his off-Batman movies. I thought "Inception" was terrific.
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First people were crying because Thor didn't have his helmet, then they were crying because the wings on Captain America's helmet weren't "raised" (seriously?). And now we're complaining that there's no ears on Catwoman.
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i was starting to wonder if Catwoman was actually in this. Pfeiffer's version was as much of a masterpiece take on the character as Ledger's was for the Joker. Hathaway is going to have to find something hidden within her that i haven't seen before, to reach that high. i hope they don't try to rehash Burton's broken-psyche route. It was a unique take, and i'd rather see something that adheres more closely to the source material. It Nolan's going to give her a history as a prostitute, at least make it one of a high-price call-girl. i don't buy the 'ghetto-to-glitter' stuff. This look is just fine for a professional cat burgler. In fact, i'm fine without a costume at all. Berry's Fredricks-of-Hollywood-meets-Display-House made my eyes roll right out of my head. There's nothing more stupid that acrobatic gymnastics in heels. Squashing reality in favor of male sexual fantasy is not 'realistic'. *checks footware in pic closely* Sigh. Just give her boots when if she's jumping around, Nolan. It's all i ask. These are just my opinions, not facts. Please don't hyperventilate over them. i see the sexist trolls are in full force, mocking Hathaway. i won't take the bait. But playing tic-tac-toe Kyle style on these pimple-faced little mouthbreathers would be fun. i'm not proud of that. But i'll admit it.
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Nothing can destroy the delicate dark gritty universe Nolan has created more quickly and effectively... than goddamn Catwoman.
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The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Goldfinger Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkhaban Return of the King The Bourne Ultimatum And I still think Return of the Jedi, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock were all fun and underrated. And don't forget Rocky III, biznatches! I can watch that again and again.
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Smelling Spider-Man 3.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST
Marion Cotillard blows Eva Green out of the water. FACT.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
It's not even close. How anyone can drool over that pale, pasty, too much make-up wearing, dried-out smoker is beyond me. (Don't argue with me on this; I've done research.)
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You want ears? Look at the mask carefully.....You'll see that the top part will swivel up over her head for cat ears.
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Two words: Gravity Defying!
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Katie Holmes, then steep drop to Maggie "Droopy Dog" Gyllenhaal, then back up to Anne Hathaway
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I'm just tryin' to decide which look they're going for here. I like 'em both, mind you, I'm just decidin' which they're goin' for...
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST
As for why is Selena riding the Batpod... um, she *is* a burglar, remember.
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Bitch jacked Bats' ride.
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But I won't judge until I see a theatrical trailer.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST
The goggles are not part of her costume... they belong to the Batpod (or Bikepod).
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Remember that the Tumbler was originally meant for military use. The goggles she she's wearing are probably from the Batpod. Maybe I'm reading too much into the picture, but the design aesthetic is definitely more in line with the Tumbler's.
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A welcomed veteran makes his mark.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST
Here's how I see her "Catwoman" costume could come together...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
She already has the leather suit. Then she jacks the goggles from the Batpod, wearing them since they have enhance the wearer's eyesight. The final element for this ensemble: she quickly takes a hoodie jacket from her dead roommate's closet (the hooker) to put on, improvising with it, when she goes out on a big burgling job. This hoodie was her late friend's favorite article of clothing -- it's black and has cat ears...
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST
zootrain, this Talkback seemed to have a few people moaning about Heath Ledger as the joker...
by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34907 In particular it's about a new pic of Heath in full costume. A few highlights... If it looks like a turd and smells like a turd. WOW, this is nothing like i expected it to be, it’s way worse! You have got to be kidding me. Retarded doesn't begin to describe the look of what they are calling "the Joker". Thank god the franchise will be dead again. With any luck the Watchemen will be decent and they might reboot the Batman franchise with The Dark Knight Returns. The only people who honestly think the Joker looks cool here are the producers and the idiots that bankrolled this future turd. By frankenbastard MEH. That's right, I said MEH. In the immortal words of Lloyd Benson: "I knew the Joker... and you sir, are no Joker." Between this movie and the killing of Bruce Wayne in the comics I might have to quit Batman all together. (Yes, I realize that statement is ironic)It's been a nice 40 year run but these idiots are screwing it all up. By boneyard Half Joker, Half Riddler.....all awful. This is the most dissapointing thing ever. He looks like a drunk with leaves in his hair. I think I'll give this one a miss. By godhatesyou Thank heavens the real Batman film is still there, though. And the one true screen Joker Nicholson, too. By jackpumpkinhead He makes Nicholson's Joker look good... And I thought no one could do a worse Joker than that! This is Cesar Romero territory. By bill clay This image maintains my disappointment. If anyone remembers me from the last Joker thread, I was severely disappointed in Heath's Joker. I still am. In one picture, he looks like an emo boy. In another, like Leona Helmsley. And in this image, like a rapidly-aged bar fight victim. Keep in mind I'm sure he'll act it out just fine and I'm sure the script and screenplay and everything else is fine. But again, the look is so important, and even my mom was disappointed in the images of Heath as Joker. Still think I'm nay-saying just for the sake of it? Alright, let's imagine the last movie, "Batman Begins", except Batman's suit has an ocean-blue cape, cowl, boots, and speedos, while the pants and shirt are a pale gray and he has the yellow oval on his chest. And no other change. Would it still be the same movie? Ehh, probably, but you know that look would have really ruined it. Likewise, this Joker will have a severe negative impact on my viewing experience of this movie. By organs
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Bruce and Rachel's "relationship" was lifeless because it wasn't there. Bruce was using her as a "way out" while she was dating Dent who was a real relationship. That's why she zones out when the Joker is telling her about his "wife". That's why she writes the dear John and that's why Alfred burns it in the end. There is no way out. The Joker is highly adaptable with a clear death wish. He rigged the hospital the moment he knew Dent was there and waited for an excuse. Probably to call out Batman but then Reese came along and was a better "gag". He knew any one of his plans could fail and wanted it to kill him if it did. That's why he wanted the Batpod to hit him. That's the interrogation failed. That's why he was laughing when Batman threw him off the building and that's why he STOPPED LAUGHING WHEN BATMAN SAVED HIM. Kill a guy to save a Hospital full of people or kill a ferry full of people to save your own hide. Yeah that's same thing. Right... I could go through every single "flaw" with a battering ram. If you look for "flaws" then yes you would "see" them. If you watch TDK again with your brain switched on you'll see there aren't any. TDK is one of the best films of all time. Next?
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST
Of course, there we're also plenty of people who said the pic was cool or to just 'wait and see'
by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS
The same as this Talkback. The point is that we really have all been here before in regards to initial on set photos.
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THIS ARE MY SERIOUS FACE
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... = pointy nipples for me.
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But I went over this when the movie came out. Have watched it repeatedly because I love Batman, but the movie only gets worse. Joker's scenes are just about the only parts worth watching.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST
Morons, everyone wears goggles or a visor when they are riding a motorcycle
by Stan Gable
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And that is all.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST
Are you guys telling me that if the Catwoman costum doesn't have ears it will eb a deal-break to you? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? That is what it would fuck up the movie for you??
by AsimovLives
Do you belong to this planet? What a bloody petty complain!! I can't fucking believe people said that! Jesus bloody christ!
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And someone needed to trim the verge...
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST
comingsoon.net has pics of her stunt double where you can see the full costume.
by Mr. Waturi
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST
Hated Begins (tedious) loved TDK, and so far these are just stills, which say NOTHING...so..NOTHING to crap on about yet
by quantize
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST
In this still she has not become "Catwoman", yet.
by the Green Gargantua
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Thank you, Mr. Waturi! Bitchin' costume, right down to the boots! Yay! i'm overcome a little here...haven't felt this kind of geek excitement in ages. Please, pleeeeeease let her be stealing that thing...
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That being said, I am actually not looking forward to this final chapter.
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http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/catwomanstuntdouble4.jpg i like the idea od goggles- i just don't like the goggles. they do look like spykid gear.. a chick DOES look good laying on the batpod though...
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST
After all this waiting, who thought it would turn out to be so... boring...
by kevred
Bland...dreary...unadventurous... Nolan's done some good things in these Bat-films so far, and I'm sure there will be some great tension and spectacle in this one. But I'm starting to get the feeling that, when this series is over, Ledger's Joker is going to stand WAY out from everything else in the series, and secondarily, the tension-packed part of TDK before the last act will also stand out as an exception, not the rule. And the reason, among others? COLOR. LIFE. I think that after this is all said and done and the spell of these films wears off, people will want something with a little more color and life to it. The virtues of the 80s-90s Bat-films will again be appreciated, the limits of Nolan-verse realized, and people will want something in between. That's how I'm feeling, anyway. Which would set up a JLA movie pretty well, or at least some kind of crossover.
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I guess we know which side of the fight she's on. Kind of wish that would have left that ambiguous.
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and/or become increasingly demented.
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How so? Bane and Batman could be fighting, and she could be watching it all, see an opportunity and make off with his ride. i'm really hoping for a 'whose side are you on? - My side' kind of thing.
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You HAVE to find something to complain about... We know NOTHING about the film, do you really believe Nolan would put goggles on her "because they look pretty"? They will have a use and a purpose, we just don't know it yet.
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http://www.spaceavalanche.com/2009/06/21/the-dark-knight/
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You so funnee!
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The costuming in Nolan’s films has always been on the dry side and people have always complained. The Scarecrow wears a burlap sack; Ras wears a plain suit; The Joker’s makeup is smeared and his skin isn’t permanently dyed white; Two Face’s suit is merely burned on one side. What’s interesting is that none of it matter when you have a solid story, great acting and steady direction. We’ve seen what? Three or four official stills, including a Catwoman that may very well be incomplete, and yet this film is now being compared to Spiderman 3? People really should just calm the fuck down and trust a man who has consistently delivered great films since his career began. Nolan clearly has a story arch to finish and I have no worries that he won’t do it incredibly well. And to those of you who haven’t enjoyed the ride thus far, feel free to get off now.
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You also forgot the illogical and ridiculous ending.
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should have played the Joker
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST
Said it before. I'll say it again. Smell that? Smells like a 3rd movie.
by cookepuss
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST
I love it when chicks wear skintight leather outfits, and gasmasks, and gloves with big fucking leather claws...Oh yeah, and gigantic strap-ons
by AzulTool
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The two films will have the same elements: Villain to be revealed as the real person behind the murder of the hero's kin (Ra's Al Ghul/Sandman) Villain who is similar to the hero and followed the same path but decided evil (Bane/Venom) Anti-hero sidekick to help the hero out when all looks dim (Catwoman/Harry) And great song and dance numbers. Bale was in Newsies.
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Batman has always been a relatively serious character, even when placed into the larger fantastical DC universe. Batman is dour, he’s rigid and he’s often portrayed as being so staunchly disciplined and narrow in his worldview that he’s often at odds with the rest of the Justice League. He basically drove the first Robin away because of how rigidly he operates and despite being a superhero he takes no real pleasure in much of what he does because he’s propelled entirely by duty and his oath to his parents. When people claim that Nolan doesn’t understand the mythos of Batman, they are generally talking out of their ass. Nolan’s nailed the character and he’s nailed all the villains he has put on screen thus far, even if they don’t look identical to their comic book counterparts. For all of the supposed intellectualism that is traded on these types of forums, it’s flatly ironic how many people focus on the superficial.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST
As far as the Schumacher thing goes, as bad as his Batman was, he still has some very memorable credits to his resume.
by cookepuss
I'm forever grateful that he did the likes of Lost Boys, Flatliners, St. Elmo's Fire, Falling Down, and Phone Booth. Batman was a (very bad) blemish on his otherwise pretty good career.
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Ive already masturbated like 5 times. Cant wait to see the finished movie!
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST
@catchtheman: I totally DID!!! LOL Loved that movie when I was a kid.
by cookepuss
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST
I don't get why people are jizzing in their pants over this pic.
by cookepuss
It fits with Nolan's real world take on stuff, but I totally don't get a Catwoman vibe here. I didn't get a whole Bane vibe in the other pic either. He just looked like Vin Diesel in his XXX man fur, but with a Hannibal Lecter mask. Neither one of these looks or feel very much like the source material. What I will say is that it still looks better than Superman, which still looks better than Amazing Spider-Man. My money is going to Avengers though.
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http://egotastic.com/2011/08/spoiler-alert-anne-hathaway-as-catwoman-will-make-your-dark-knight-rise/
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Tone of the universe, yes. Tone of the character, no. There is no sense of Batman being a sociopath in these films. Which he is. Nolan actually takes no risks in regards to Batman, he just follows the same steps with the character that all other comic films take. Batman has no faith and hope in people. If he did, he never would become Batman. The second film hinges on his faith in people doing the right thing. Batman would never take the blame for Dent's murders, his rigidness (your observation of the character) would have kept him from doing so. Nolans Batman films, while being violent, aren't necessarilly dark in nature and they're not as smart as they should be or their fans think they are. Arronofsky will be able to make a film in about 4-5 years that will get the character right.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST
That's not Catwoman. Nolan should've cast Eva Green or Morena Baccarin...
by Thanos0145
instead of over-rated, plain jane Anne Hathaway. Anne doesn't ooze sexy that is needed to portray Selina Kyle. Catwoman needs her cat ears. Anne looks more Black Widow than Catwoman. At least Marion Cotillard is in this movie playing Talia.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST
Ilike that all the fanboy bitches are pissed, I like that Nolan isn't doing what you fags want. I like the Chaos.
by Arkhaminmate001
I'm impressed by the ability you all have to see into the future based on pictures. no one posting has any idea what context any of these pictures have yet everyone is 'assuming' the follow up to the most successful superhero movie ever will be shit. I have no idea if the movie will be good or bad, but based on Nolans track record i'd say i'm looking forward to this movie. But i suppose it's the in thing now for pale faced trolls to be instantly negative on movie sites between bouts of self asbuse that keeps the tissue industry thriving. You all need to lighten up.... ...I'm a man of my worrrrrd.
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This is Nolan Catwoman. She goes by Selina Kyle. She doesn't wear cat ears or purr.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST
When I look at those stunt-double pics, I actually thought...
by kevred
...wait a minute, this doesn't look like Catwoman, this looks like some kind of uptight right-winger's Sarah Palin fantasy! I think azultool's onto something with his comment above. We may be bumping into Nolan's limitations on this one.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST
@christopher_chance: The costume looks better from other angles, but the ears are still missing. If Batman can
by cookepuss
dress up in a cape and mask with ears then why must Selina be excluded from the mask party? Even Ledger got to play in full makeup. Seems odd that they'd exclude the ears. It's not realistic, but what in Nolan's Batman world is? Even Captain America paid homage to the comic with the painted on wings. DC/WB is not exactly inspiring confidence in me, at least not the way Marvel has been doing for much of this past decade.
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Um, the whole point of Nolanverse is that it's the closet possible realistic take possible on Bats whilst maintaining the mythos and a good script. Obviously, Cat Woman is supposed to be a catburgler, but not a cat per se. So, rsanta74, shut your goddamn jew mouth.
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She's pasty white, super skinny now, and has imo, an awkward looking face. And in that pic, she looks like she belongs in the next installment of Spy Kids.
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That must be it. Now all the 'too-skinny' comments make sense.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST
Hurr I know what I'm talking about from an out-of-context picture Durrr
by JumpinJehosaphat
Durrr ears Herpderp. Fucking morons.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST
@peanutbutterslut: Don't be an ignorant, racist dick. FTR, I'm a 5th generation Puerto Rican American. Pick on the right thing if you're going to be a schmuck.
by cookepuss
As far as the cat VS cat burglar thing goes.... Don't fucking blame me. Blame the comic creators. I'm not the one who dreamt that shit up. They did. If you're going to be faithful to the designs of Batman and Joker then why skimp on Catwoman?
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but that is all. Nitpicky, I know. But I'm a big fan of the Jim Lee/Hush Catwoman. I want her to look like that. http://tinyurl.com/jimleecat
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1)she has a skin tight ourfit with a utility belt. 2)she has long looser fitting vinyl looking 'hooker' gloves 3)she has thigh high hooker boots on (no heels- at least not in the driving shots anyway- and impractical anyway) - so if she is wearing the clothes from a dead hooker/stripper friend, that makes sense with the gloves and boots
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST
For anyone thinking that the Catwoman outfit is ridiculous
by YackBacker
You're right. But also keep in mind, there's a dude dressed up as a bat in this movie too. Guys, it's a comic book adaptation.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST
@zombot: The stunt double profile did impress me a lot more too. This pic blows though.
by cookepuss
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST
@yackbacker: You're right. It's ridiculous. For that reason.... EARS!!! LOL That's all I'm sayin'. =)
by cookepuss
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST
Every piece of news about this flick fills me with dread.
by Royston Lodge
I've tried to keep an open mind. Really, I have. From the first news about the casting of Hathaway and the choice of villains, to the decision to move the production away from Chicago, to the first photos of Bane, I've still tried to stay optimistic. This photo is the straw that breaks the camel's back for me. If the final product actually turns out to be decent, it means Nolan has sold his soul to the devil in return for the ability to turn shit into gold.
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Good to see you man.
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That was a southpark reference. But it's funny you have to deflect the issue by calling me a rascist. Jews are a religous people, not a fucking race. Biggot would be the correct term. *** No for your 'chopping'... as the chimpo choppa would say. They did skimp on bats and joker, fool. Bats- More realistic gadgets, less "batarang" shit, no yellow utility belt and shitty batplane thing... costume looks professional, armored, real and badass. A departure from the comic that skimps on the "crazy battyness and unrealisticness". Joker- Instead of being super clowny, like nicholson jokers or the animated show joker, he's more of a psychopathic punk. His hair is barley green and nappy, a lot like some emo punk who half ass dies his shitty emo hair green and let it grow out. He wears the make up to accentuate his facial scars and to obscure his real identity...not what the joker did in the comics. They skimped on full on joker. Catwoman (guessing here)- Instead of making her a supernatural bitch who gets licked back to life, she's just a catburgler. Because there are now special powers in Nolanverse. Sorry.
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Bane's got 3 tumblers and Catwoman scored a Batpod?
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So far we have seen a bunch of photos from the set that haven't got me enthused about the project. Now maybe Nolan's concept for Bane and Catwoman work, and maybe we don't know the context of these photos, but that doesn't mean we can't react to them. If anything, this should tell the marketing department to maybe NOT release BETTER photos from set or have ones that show Bane and Catwoman in a much better light. First impressions are important in a movie. So far WB's marketing team is batting 0-2 in my book with how they have presented Bane and Catwoman.
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I'll tumbler 4 ya.
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already made that joke ;)
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST
I told everyone that Catwoman would not have cat ears and they mocked me!
by cgih8r
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST
peanutbutterslut you obviously don't know much about Batman
by Continentalop
Nolan's take on Batman is directly influenced by Kane and Finger's Golden Age version of Batman (with pieces of O'Neal, Adams, Englehart, Miller, and other writer's versions thrown in obviously) who was very much a pulp based crime fighter ala the Shadow, the Spider and Green Hornet. <P> While cosmetically the might have changed the Joker, the plot for TDK is pretty much the same as the Joker's first appearance in Batman #1, almost beat for beat in fact. <P> And your statement about Catwoman, "Catwoman (guessing here)- Instead of making her a supernatural bitch who gets licked back to life, she's just a catburgler. Because there are now special powers in Nolanverse. Sorry." Well, Catwoman has never had powers except in the movie versions, and has always been an unpowered skilled criminal (originally she was just a jewell thief named the Cat). And in fact the original Catwoman looks a lot more realistic than Nolan's version of her in these photos. <P> If you are going to chastise someone, at least have your facts straight.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST
@peanutbutterslut: I realize that it was a SP ref, but you still sounded like a dick. Grow up. BTW: I'm at work. Typing quickly. Used racist when I meant bigot. bfd.
by cookepuss
not deflecting anyway. said my bit about why catwoman should be faithful in a world where batman, joker, and even scarecrow (mostly) is.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST
didn't skimp an batman or joker depending on the comic interpretation you subscribe to btw
by cookepuss
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Fanboys understand that comic book characters are constantly changed and adapted and updated, so they trust Nolan and don't bitch over one photo. It's the low life haters who can't do any better so they bitch about everything. Please don't mix us up. Thank you.
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Good to be back- and damn good to see you hanging around this joint.
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- all Heath Ledger did was put on clown make-up, lick his lips and act psychotic, then you're a fucking moron
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Just a guess, but I'm betting that Nolan is going to do the same thing with Catwoman that he did with Joker and base her story arc on her first Golden Age appearances. If that is the case, than she won't be "Catwoman" until the end of the movie but instead will be a skilled burglar and thief named Selina Kyle aka "The Cat." She also won't appear in full Catwoman outfit (and by that, a mask reminiscent of Batman's) until the end of the movie, much like how in the GA Catwoman didn't wear a costume until later on. Just a hunch.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST
shouldvé just used a teenage girl and made Frank Miller´s Robin...
by LUIS
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST
it looks more like batgirl than catwoman, short black hair? SHORT BLACK HAIR! ala Trinity...
by LUIS
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Rosario Dawson. Thank You That is all
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Interpretation I describe? Are you fucking serious dude? Instead of breaking down your current complaint, I will address the central issue here. Selina Kyle is in this movie, not Catwoman. Sure, it's possible that there may be a tease or reference at some point in the movie in regards to her becoming "The Catwoman" but it's obvious that; 1: Selina Kyle is the character 2: Since she's Selina Kyle, she's just a burglar that obviously stumbles upon some Wayne tech, slightly elevating her past a normal person in the city and making her of interest to batman as well as us, the audience. 3: Nolan wanted a female character in this, as all the films have some kind of love interest side story about bats trying to get his fuck on...so it's like Nolan decided that it was easier to use Selina kyle instead of inventing someone new or using harley. And it's KOSHER when calling someone a racist that it's for the right reason, like if I was like "go eat a pulled pork sanwhich you cigar chompin Cubie'...! BFD to you too buddy! Have a good day at work mate!
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST
@menstrual_bloodfart: LOL What can I say? I'm a child of the 80s. =) Pretty sure somebody, in 15 years, will be thankful for White Chicks. =P
by cookepuss
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST
I wonder how they get her to ride the batpod, didn´t they say somewhere that only some french guy was able to ride the batpod?
by LUIS
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST
douchenstein? Perhaps you're mistaking me for your mother.
by cookepuss
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Yes, most people will want the characters from the comics to be recognisable on screen. What they continually fail to realise is that Nolan isn't making this film for the fanboys or the haters, he's making it for everyone! He has to go for mass-market appeal and in HIS Gotham, a woman dressed as a cat is going to look silly - as is a wrestler in a gimp mask. It's a shame AICN never posted the pics of the new Ghost Rider, cos it looks amazing.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST
I second Rosario Dawson as Catwoman, she would have been amazing.
by Lemure_v2
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And your earlier comments about Nolan being faithful to the Joker? There's no such thing. Every artist or director has written the character differently. There is no template, same with Bane and Catwoman.
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I suspect just we saw in BB - Wayne incrementally developing the batsuit - we'll see some changes in Selina Kyle to "Catwoman", probably some additional head cover with some kind of ears (maybe if they team up, Batman will upgrade her with his tech). I do love the really f'ed up Catwoman that Michelle Pfeiffer played, but I hated some of the corny cat-like ticks, but in Burton's universe with a waddling Penguin, it sort of worked. These initial catwoman pics work better for me than the Bane images that have been posted, but pre-post, out-of-context ... I'll wait for a real trailer.
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everybody complaining about Keaton being cast as Batman...look how that turned out. Stupid haters. In Nolan we trust.
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After I beat Santa in a Warhammer match last XMAS, I figured it would be the last time I used that line. But rsanta74 (your an xmas fan born in the seventies it take it? ) had to come along and make me say it again. I've captured all your bases bro. They belong to me. Your argument failed, as did you. Catwoman isn't in the movie. Selina kyle as interpreted by Nolan is in this movie. Selina Kyle isn't a Cat Themed character. Move along.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST
Looks like the only one who's forgotten it's a comic-book movie is Nolan
by kevred
I think the "realistic" angle is starting to wear thin. This is looking more like Megaforce than anything that will in any way have any more relevance than TDK. Dull, bland herione, meet dull, bland hero. Meet dull, bland villain. The Joker was the only larger-than life thing in these films. That's what made that film electric - that and that only. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that's what people want in a comic film. Maybe Nolan will make us care. But TDK had me really intrigued by this point. This one has me caring dramatically less with each new reveal. Caring less than I do about Superman at this point, and steeply, dramatically less than I do about Avengers. But then, I do like to have a little bit of fun with comic films. The tiniest sense of humor somewhere, anywhere, and a wee hint of fantasy or imagination, would be a nice thing.
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Since the guy hates on pretty much anything that's successful and well made Like he does with the two best shows on TV: Game of Thrones Breaking Bad And with 2 of the best action movies in the past decade: Nolan's Batman I watched Begins and Dark Knight a few weeks ago and they still kick ass, as I'm sure they will in ten years. And dude, all you talk about is bad writing, like you're some kind of fucking acclaimed screenwriter. You're a fucking joke. I've said it before and I'll say it again--learn to be less of a negative, cynical dickhead and you'll enjoy life a lot more.
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Trinity was tough, but Ellen Ripley would mop the floor with her.
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"Well done, fett. That'll put a smile on my face as i fall asleep this morning, knowing that there is at least 1 person i may have *converted*. It's nice to see that one person can lower their defenses, put aside their bias, and just actually READ and COMPREHEND what another individual is saying. He loved TDK before, but he thought, ok, i'll see what this guy has to say... and he thought about it, critically, and OBJECTIVELY (most importantly) and realized that he may have been looking at the film in a slightly skewed manner. That he may have overlooked some rather glaring, fundamental flaws... He realized that he could not logically retort what he read from me, and took note of it. Rather than lashing out in an immature, defensive, insecure, ZEALOT-like rage against the EVIL TROLL and his BLASPHEMOUS COMMENTS AGAINST THE HOLY FILM THAT IS TDK!! Well done, Fett. You are not a part of the hive mind here... you aren't an automoton simply parroting what others around you have said. " Fuck me viggo, you really are up yourself, aren't you?
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I AM AN AVID FAN OF BOTH FILM AND GRAPHIC NOVELS. I love me some Frank Miller novels and I love me some Christopher Nolan films. These characters are not just pop culture caricatures they are mythological archetypes that touch our sensibilities and resonate with our childhood dreams and imagination they take us out of our every day life and give us wonder and hope for the possibilities of good justice and grandness. they make us believe that an ordinary man can stand up against what is wrong in his world and change it. that underneath all the sadness and madness of the real, love can touch us in an awesome way. it is because we can identify with this characters that we can enjoy these movies it is why we care weather the movie makers are doing a good job, because these stories are personal they are ours the consumers of these comic books and these film they are tailored for us. that is why it is such a big deal who plays Catwoman and how she will look in the part not because we are haters or douches with no life. we hope for the best and accept a few changes here and there but reject and look down upon shit like the goblin costume from spiderman 1, the bat nipples the sonar vision, because we want these characters to be treated with respect to the source material...
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Yo mama so fat, she wore a Malcolm X jacket and a helicopter tried to land on her. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! : )
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Yo mama so stupid, it took her two hours to watch 60 Minutes. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! : )
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now that everyone's moved on..... I thought I had read somewhere that Zoe was partially black, but I was wrong (Dominican). I left Rosario Dawson off the list despite many people thinking she is black. Marsha Thomason, is at least as deserving as Halle Berry. (Not that she's quite as beautiful, but she's just as black). Glad someone else remembered Aisha Tyler. Definitely hot. Gabrielle Union had her day as well, as did Sanaa Lathan and Stacey Dash. Iman is still stunning, though not what I'd consider an "actress". I also forgot to mention Joy Bryant earlier. now, back to Selina Kyle, All Dark Knight, all the time talk...
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Yo mama so hairy, Bigfoot took a picture of HER. BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! : )
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http://tinyurl.com/3sevg8h
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Yo mama house so dirty, she has to wipe her feet to go outside. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! : )
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He produced and excellent tribute documentary to John Cazale. The best thing hes ever done. Besides that Mariah Carey sex tape.
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Batman and the Mystery of the Pseudo-Legion of Doom Caper
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Her hair is TOO BIG!
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THE 100% BLACK TYLER PERRY INSIDE ME IS OUTRAGED. OUTRAGED!!
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Aug. 5, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST
i think this Fett guy is the same bitch who thinks Bale is the only true Batman
by THE_CHOPPAH
When the character's creator said Kilmer was the best and IMO Adam West is the most faithful. But Batman: TAS blows them all away.
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Yo mama so smelly, she makes Right Guard go left. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! : )
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Aug. 5, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST
So Catwoman is taller than Batman and taller than Bane, isn´t Catwoman supposed to be like looking up at batman whenever they make out?
by LUIS
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Aug. 5, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST
I can't believe I forgot to tell you this before, Viggeo, but ...
by THE_CHOPPAH
Yo mama so greasy she uses bacon as a Band-Aid. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! : )
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on a level with that first reveal of Heath Ledger as Joker. Every past incarnation of Catwoman has played up her sex appeal and fetish appeal. This one? Well, you can't even see her body. None of the usual iconography (bullwhip, cat mask etc) is on display. This isn't a complaint. It may turn out to be brilliant.
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If so, my respect for him just fell a notch. Kilmer and West are two entirely different interpretations of the character. And I use the term "interpretation" VERY loosely when it comes to Kilmer's sleepy non-performance.
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Cat ears would not fit in Nolan's universe and if you tell me "well batman has ears", Nolan already addressed your argument stating that batman is a wholly original character in the universe and stands alone, that's why you don't have others with capes like Superman, or Robin and you don't have others with ears. Besides his ears always looked more like horns to me and that's badass. Cat ears are just gay and YOU KNOW IT!!
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You DO know you are supposed to stay at least 50 threads away from Cobes right, Viggeo? Its stated in the the fourth sub-paragraph in the restraining order. As the lawyer of the Dojo, don't make me get litigious on yo ass!
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It doesn't tell her whole story some of guys need to calm the Hell! down... This movie will be fantastic. Remember it's just one photo.....
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He also felt there was room for interpretation in the character..something that Fett doesnt understand. ONLY Bale has been the one true Batman and anyone who liked the earlier films or TV shows or serials are fuckin idiots. Its a good thing Bale was born to show us the way and that Kane/Finger stumbled upon the character decades earlier..we've had to settle for lesser thans until Bale decided to me a movie Star! Thank Jebus!
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yes it is one pic and ONLY one pic..but it is also the FIRST pic.. it needs to WOW! From the official pics released by WB, these are pretty lackluster and nothing to be hyped about.. it needed to be the Superman pic we got yesterday..it needed to be the hobbit pics that staggered out.. This just looks half-assed.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST
This stuff coming from viggeo and others — I think I've read some of the most nit-picky freaking crap I have ever read on any of the TB boards...
by Astronut
You can tear down any movie ever made when you set out to do so. Any movie. To say TDK is any more flawed or implausible than anything else out there is just grasping at straws. You haters obviously have it in for the film. It's a superhero film that is delivered in a MORE REALISTIC WAY than any other superhero film EVER MADE. EVER. Your whining is a tired act. TDK is a great film and an exciting thrill-ride crime drama. To say it sucks is just an indication of your lack of appreciation for good cinema. Go watch Transformers again you dumb fucks. I laugh at the * superior * intellect.
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I totally agree with you this first pic should be like holly shit that is CATWOMAN! not oh look the batpod and anne hathaway with googles.. half ass indeed.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST
viggeo just needs attention that is all and this talkback is giving him plenty of it he must be proud...
by LUIS
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Although you can see the strap from her hidden helmet which she has to wear for the stuntwork. http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/21403/hathaway-films-knight-rises-set-photos
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Kane said that during the publicity for Forever. Not like Warners are going to quote him saying anything against it, and unless you heard him say it, the studio will spin it and misquote to their advantage. And Bale isn't the best Batman. He's just as good as Keaton. Both have explored different aspects of what it means to be Batman.
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Is it a very good movie? Yes. Is it also absurdly overrated? Yes. Done and dusted.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST
She's no Newmar or Pfeiffer, but I can spank to this, yes...
by Dennis_Moore
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Every past incarnation of Catwoman has played up her sex appeal and fetish appeal. This one? Well, you can't even see her body. None of the usual iconography (bullwhip, cat mask etc) is on display.
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harveymanfrenjenson, you wrote:Every past incarnation of Catwoman has played up her sex appeal and fetish appeal. This one? Well, you can't even see her body. None of the usual iconography (bullwhip, cat mask etc) is on display. <p> Not true. Catwoman was originally just "the Cat" and didn't wear a costume at all. She didn't start wear a mask until her third appearance (and wasn't called Catwoman, or "Cat-woman", until then as well) and even that mask was very different from the one today. And she didn't start using a bullwhip until Batman Returns; before that she used a "Cat-O'Nine-Tails, and even that she didn't start using until I believe the 60s. <p> So once again, I believe Nolan might be trying to harken back to the Golden Age Catwoman were we see her evolution from simple cat burglar/thief to the female equivalent of Batman. <P> Three Faces of Catwoman during the Golden Age:<P> Catwoman's First Appearance:<P> http://tinyurl.com/3e83lhj <P> http://tinyurl.com/436s5v8 <P> Catwoman's Third Appearance (and finally going by the name Cat-Woman): <P>
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Fact.
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It keeps chopping off fucking post: Catwoman's First Appearance as the Cat:<P> http://tinyurl.com/3e83lhj <P> http://tinyurl.com/436s5v8 <P> Catwoman's Third Appearance, going by the name Cat-Woman: <P> http://tinyurl.com/3rgzz8r <P> Catwoman's Classic Golden Age Costume: <P> http://tinyurl.com/3bloou4
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Aug. 5, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST
Those new set pics showing her on the bat pod, the side-view ones, those are NOT pics of Hathaway...
by Astronut
That's her stunt double.
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I agree with you that each actor brought something to the character. Hell I even liked Clooney as Wayne..but to outright dismiss these interpretations as Fett did is ignorant..His way of thinking is ONLY modern things are good and everything in the past must suck. For a character as old as Batman, thats a silly way to think. Fett also thinks that JAWS should be remade and all that "boring family stuff" should be excised and that it should just be two hours of three guys on a boat...i shit you not..people think this way.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST
Once again ContinentalOp is here to school the ignoratnt masses
by THE_CHOPPAH
and this thread is chockfull of Troll-y goodness
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The suit has some of the modern incarnations in there too... with the goggles and black outfit... and the thigh-high boots resemble the sexed-up 90s Catwoman (the one with the purple outfit). There's also definitely some Newmar in there. I wasn't sure about it until I saw the full body shot, and now I like it. It's sexy and seems to fit with Nolan's "realism" approach.
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Five minutes of playing in Photoshop and you can add atmosphere aplenty to the photo. Once the post-production boys have been at the movie, it'll be unrecognisable when compared to the shots from the set we've seen so far.
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Yeah, my point is the more I think about it is I don't think what we are seeing here is the complete Catwoman outfit. And while the trajectory might not be the same as the Golden Age Catwoman, with weird Cathead mask and skirt costume, I do think Hathaway's character gradually develops the identity of Catwoman over the course of the film, becoming the Catwoman that Nolan and co. envision could exist in his universe (so probably some Kane, Newmar, Miller, Brubaker and Gail Simone influences all there). <p> And while I have hated the photos (yes we don't know the context of them, but don't just show me a women in black on a bike with whacky shades and expect me to get excited), I think I am becoming intrigued by the idea if Nolan is going in the direction I think he is. I said in an earlier TB I always kind of thought Catwoman should get a Catwoman Begins kind of treatment. So far all of Bat's foes have come in wholly formed (Ra's, Joker and Scarecrow) or they have had one traumatic experience create them (Two-Face). Catwoman might be the first villain to follow Bruce Wayne's path from BB as we get to watch her evolve into Catwoman. That to me is much more interesting than Bane.
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I have to justify why I own every Batman and Dark Knight Golden Age Archive.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST
I've just returned from a long hiatus and needless to say not alot has changed lol
by JackGraham
and i have to agree with viggo, I was never a fan of TDK and never could look past its glaring flaws and its failure to be "good storytelling". the whole thing, to quote from the couple of million adjectives throughout this talkback, was hackneyed, forced, stiffled, laughable and well not as free flowing nor as interesting a story as begins. i fear that rises is following in TDK footsteps. i hope i'm wrong. asimov if you're reading this, can you send me some more smoky sausage please.
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Every time one of his movies comes out, I get all hyped and always in the back of my mind I'm worried it will disappoint. He never does, he's never going to make a film with a silly screenplay and he's never going to make a film that is a waste of my time. I'd rather he just go over the top with this movie, it looks more like Batman Begins than Dark Knight and that's a good thing. Set photos don't bother me, because I know this stuff is going to work in the final film. We got a great tech team working on this, a talent cast and Nolan wrote the script with his very talented brother. Nothing to worry about, this is going to be another huge success for Nolan and a movie everyone is going to call overrated 6 months later.
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I've been saying for two years that Catwoman would be a shitty ass character for a Nolan batman movie and got ripped on by a lot of morons saying how fucking sweet it would be. Now that all the begging for a picture has been answered, I don't see shit from the Catwoman fans. Like I said, a SHITTY character. I'm fucking depressed!!!!!
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Flaws in DK... hell, let me just look at flaws in the first 10 minutes of DK. Joker somehow smashes a schoolbus through the side of a bank during rush hour. 1... the bus takes no damage. 2... he stays there awhile, and yet when driving out, nobody seems to have even noticed or cared. pedestrians walk about without even glancing over their shoulder. he easily merges with traffic without so much as a honk or a WTF. Next...? But what really bothers me is when people act like opinions are facts, or that every fucking person on the planet only has an opinion because of how they think people will perceive them for it. guess what... there are popular movies i love, like, dislike, loathe. there are obscure movies i love, like, dislike, loathe. I never give a shit what people will think of me for having an opinion on a work of art/movie/music/whatever. I doubt there's a single person on the planet who truly likes every popular thing under the sun and hates every obscure thing, and vice versa. can we stop acting like opinions are badges of honor? i think Nolan is one of the best filmmakers to come around in the last decade. I also think The Dark Knight is his weakest film, though still enjoyable with some incredible MOMENTS. I love AI but was never a fan of either ET or Close Encounters, yet I still think Raiders is Spielberg's best. I think Clockwork Orange is Kubrick's best. My favorite films of the 00's were Oldboy, Zodiac and UP. My favorite film of last year was Elite Squad 2. My favorite TV show is The Wire. You can't truly judge me because I think The Dark Knight is a fun but deeply flawed film that takes itself too seriously at times, contradicts it's own thematic ideas, and is full of logical errors and inconsistencies in tone. You also can't label someone a hater when they clearly state "I really liked this film." What, is this the fucking tea party? Are we a cult? The single two best things about DK: Ledger, and the purpose of the title, of Batman taking on the sins of Two Face to keep Dent seen as a hero and thus a symbol of hope for a city that is in really bad shape. Becoming a villain because a scapegoat is needed and symbols are important for human culture, both good and bad... Inception is Nolan's true masterwork so far, but even it is a flawed film. Memento is his only truly "perfect" or close enough film imo, and the underrated Insomnia remake is one of his most emotionally involving (#1 goes to The Prestige, which along with Inception are my two favorites because they engaged me the most emotionally as well as psychologically).
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it's a picture from the movie set!!! this movie is gonna suck!!! WAAA-AAAAAAHHHHHH!!! fucking morons.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST
Far better set pics at Just Jared (and probably everywhere else)
by Jarrete Barnett
http://justjared.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/2566968/anne-hathaway-as-dark-knight-rises-catwoman-first-look-04/ Although, it is most likely a stunt double, you at least have a full-on view of the outfit. And rumor has it, Selina Kyle does indeed revert to mask at a later point in the film, likely in the vain of Batman's gradual conception in Begins.
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Go do something else. Oh, that's right — your mom said dinner's almost ready.
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You are correct sir.
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Points well taken. And I agree, a more gradual/naturalistic origin story for Catwoman (one not involving being licked by a magic cat) would be worth watching.
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Who said anything about Catwoman? Studio hasn't mentioned Catwoman, and neither has Nolan. Selina Kyle on the other hand...
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Selina Kyle is a high-tech thief who teams up with Batman but only because she's got her eyes on something else. No mention of Catwoman anywhere.
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If WB thinks this pic is the best pic to entice or whet our appetites, then YES we have a problem. This pic is supposed to blow us away. I hate to compare it to the Joker unveiling but it has to be said..as far as mainstream audiences went they felt that Jack was the end all be all for the Clown Prince of Crime. Nolan's first pic of the Joker not only had to introduce us to the character and sell us on Heath Ledger pulling it off, but also had to show us that this new interpretation could fill the shoes of the iconic film villain. Same goes for Catwoman..who in the sequel stole the show. To many people, this is even a harder feat to topple. Not only do you have to follow in the paws of Pfieffer, you have to follow the trails blazed by Newmar, Merriwether, and Kitt. This inaugural photo of the NolanCat needed to show that Hathaway could be mentioned in the same breath as those fine ladies. By seemingly picking a set photo at random to be the first tast of Catwoman was a pretty big mistake.
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That is just a technicality. Selina Kyle and Catwoman are synonymous. That is like saying Greystoke: Legend of Tarzan isn't really about Tarzan because they never call him that in the film. <P> Just because they might not call her Catwoman doesn't mean she isn't Catwoman. No one would care about Selina Kyle if it wasn't Catwoman's alter ego, and anyway, from what it sounds like she is still going to be acting just like Catwoman anyways, a skilled Cat-burglar and hi-tech thief who becomes attracted to Batman. <P> Anyway, I am sticking with my theory that the sub-plot of this film is Catwoman Begins.
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It depends where the magic cats lick.
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i agree with you that i find it odd that Nolan and Co. have yet to call her Catwoman..but if shes running around in tights and is a thief and is getting wet for Bats..then shes Catwoman.. and i promise you when her action figure hits Target, it wont say Selina Kyle but rather Catwoman. The boys at Kenner learned that with Iron Man 2 nobody wanted an Ivan Danko toy.
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Like I said, I don't know the context of this photo, so maybe in the movie it will work great. But really, if you want to blow us away you should have found a better photo.
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You say Burroughs. I say Favreau.
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As disappointing as the Catwoman photos have been, they are way better than the Bane picts.
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I was originally going to go with David Banner vs. Bruce Banner.
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If that were real, you wouldn't be able to turn the thing. Why not make it ultra functional, Mr "Realism!" Nolan?
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It IS 2011. Time to upgrade that TRS80 that runs this site.
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I thought they would be here by know to denounce this as sexist, misogynistic filth and male rape fantasy by now.
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...but this time in plain ol' black leather? A bad actress in leather does not a Catwoman make...didn't Halle Berry already prove that?
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This girl would also make a wonderful Catwoman: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3196304128/nm0865652
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@Pink/The Brain - I hear you. She could have just nabbed the Batpod. I think the marketing department for this movie are both extremely happy (about the buzz) and maybe a little in over their heads (with all the "on-set" snapshots we're seeing). They knew that unofficial images of her on the Batpod would have been leaked today, so they had to put out something before the flood or images hit the net. Thus, some of the groans we're hearing now on the picture not being good enough by fanboy standards...it was maybe rushed online out of a marketing necessity.
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Most Professional of Professionals.
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As far as all the comments on her suit/glasses, I'm going to wait until I see it in the context of the movie to see if it fits in this universe/trilogy. I remember people having similar reservations when the grotesque Two-Face images emerged. Everyone said something to the effect of "how does he cruise around town with half his face melted off," then in the context of the film, it made some sense. On a side note, I bet we never hear the word "Catwoman" uttered in this flick.
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Julie Newmar was super-human. Check out: http://tinyurl.com/2d2alab
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Its a Nolan movie. It will be one huge plot hole.
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Thought the same way about Caesar Romero's Joker until Heath Ledger and Nolan upped the ante. Not betting Hathaway as Catwoman will achieve similar results.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST
But I also had a special place in my crotch for Lee Merriwether
by THE_CHOPPAH
With a name like KitKa! Meow!
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It IS real. They actually drive it! YOU OUTRAGE ME. Tyler Perry laughs in your fucking face. Do some reasearch, you fat ass.
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Didn't you used to go by the name Kurzinski Valentine?
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That body never goes out of style. You of all moustaches should know that.
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I don't really like it.
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To make another half decent film like DK that will be grossly overrated by fanboys. Actually this one has no Heath Ledger so maybe they will just wake the fuck up.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST
I'm the only person on the planet who thought TDK was MEDIOCRE and this shit just proves that Nolan is . . . .
by ShavedLeatherPig
Yet another closeted, soulless weirdo who has no idea how to convey eroticism and sexuality on film - if you watch how he directs action scenes between males its almost on a gay porn foreplay innuendo . . . if Heath Ledger hadn't died, The Dark Knight would have just been considered a good movie and not this timeless Internet message board classic . .. ...
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Yeah, and I bet they mostly go straight when they do. Get out of your basement and ride an actual motorcycle. There's a reason no REAL motorcycle looks like that. Ass.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST
Blah-blah-blah, overrated, blah-blah-blah, mediocre, blah-blah-blah, fanboys
by THE_CHOPPAH
SHUT DEFUKK UP, A$$HOLES!!!
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Anne Hathaway as Catwoman is LAME. She has little appeal and less charisma, unless you happen to be a gay man.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST
NOW, I HATE WHEN PEOPLE LOB THIS ONE AT ME, BUT IT APPLIES HERE:
by THE_CHOPPAH
SHUT THE HELL UP UNTIL YOU CAN DIRECT A FILM BETTER THAN NOLAN!!! Now, usually when someone says that to me, I can actually direct a film better than the person they're defending. But, not so with Nolan. The Choppah can't make a film better than Nolan can. And neither can you. SO, SHUT DEFUKK UP!!!
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This is the first time i've acually seen not one, but many, negative comments about a comic book film. Especially about the sacred Chris Nolan and his Dark Knight. Could it be because there is a woman in this picture? Geeks fear estrogen.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 5:24 p.m. CST
Viggo Morgenstein- this quote of yours scares me the most:
by Particularly Hard Vato
Or the 5ft 7in, 186 lb Bane.
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I would fuck Anne Hathaway in to next week... She would follow me like a puppy dog for days....
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We can't get one shot from behind in that suit??!? Come on!!!!! it's all i care about!!!
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1, The doors of the bank are wood and glass. If there were brick there then yes there would be noticeable damage. Even so I think the Joker was just lucky none of the back windows smashed. 2. It was because of someone on the outside that the cops were even called. It was a mob bank. As for why the callers didn't stick around... Maybe it had something to do with the grenades and guns being brandished around inside? Again the actual getaway was more luck than anything else. Someone could have honked but they didn't. 3. I am not attacking anyone's opinion. I'm attacking the idea that these plot holes even exist because in my opinion they don't. Feel free to not be as enamoured with TDK as I am (some people don't like it because the blue filter looks "cold". that's fine) but if someone says something I don't think is right then...
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(Daily sports page, that fag Veggio) come on the site at 3am and wonder why nobody is there. PEOPLE HAVE LIVES, FUCKTARDS!!!!!
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I'm not sure I agree with you that there are NO plot holes in TDK, but pointing out that The Joker has a death wish, wants to be caught and/or killed and truly doesn't care if his elaborate schemes actually work or not is an interesting way of deflecting criticisms about all the ways they could have gone wrong. Well played, Sir. I for one, feel that the movies flaws were simply part of trying to condense and cram too much into one movie. The Two Ferries Gambit makes much more sense as something Two Face would plan, for example. Harvey Dent is obsessed with duality and choices. The Joker doesn't care about stuff like that. That part alone seemed like it was one more draft away from making sense.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST
he just compared The Dark Knight to Little Miss Sunshine
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
Nah, couldn't be a troll.
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Don't hate a brother for wanting more from a movie. Side notes- -I enjoyed Dark Knight, but not as much as Batman Begins. -I love Tom Hardy and am sure Nolan can pull off something great with Bane. -Anne Hathaway has way too much collagen in her lips- bugs the crap out of me. -I thought this photo looked more like Get Smart II. -Catwoman on the Batpod? Are they giving away some plot along with Michael Caine's comment 'As the butler, I do a load of filming at the beginning and everybody goes off and does all the adventures and they all come home shot to pieces and I patch them together when they all get back.' Looks like Catwoman MAY be a good guy? -Nolan can't cast women or do romance, let's face it. Bruce/Rachel worked some with Katie and Christian- but Gyllenhal sucked.
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the opening bank heist wasn't very elaborate, at all. Double-crosses is a very common, if not cliche theme in heist films. The only minor criticism I would have is that they would all be suspicious that ultimately the Joker might kill them, too. But whatever. This is how they decided to introduce the Joker and his personality. And it's perfect. I could give a fuck about total realism, I was having too much fun watching the film.
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Stop pretending you have a life outside this site and your gay porno collection. Stay here and continue making stupid remarks, bitch.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST
quote "The film makes it very clear, from the get-go, that it takes place in the REAL WORLD."
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
This is where your entire babbling nonsensical hysterical rant lashing out at TDK completely falls apart. Batman is CLEARLY not set in the real world. Do you think Nolan isn't aware of the "contrivances" and countless "unrealistic" events in his Batman films? The same guy that wrote the meticulous, perfectly plotted Memento? You are so far off the mark it's funny. His Batman universe is a STYLIZED quisi-reality. It falls under the category of ACTION. You saw Die Hard 4, right? Are your panties still twisted in a bunch about the absurdly unreal, fantastical action scenes in that film? Personally I fucking loved it. I can't find Gotham on a map. Can you? If so please point it out. ;-) dumbass
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Which is what I just witnessed by reading these boards. You ignorant fuckers need to learn to respect other people's opinions.
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lol o.k. mom.
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Yes, I did back in the days of Professionals and light-trashing and 1000000000-post Talkbacks. Then I was banned. Then I returned as 'Cocknasty Buttstank', but was banned for my hilarioys running gag of posting fake celebrity RIPs in every thread. Now I'm Buttnasty Cockstank, and I just yell random shit at people and mention tyler Perry for no reason. Good to see you!
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Aug. 5, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST
It's actually a pretty straight-forward debate about film
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
You whiney faggots are clearly on the wrong website. Try disney.com
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but she just does not have much sex appeal outside of a "I wanna rape her" girl next door appeal. She had zero in Get Smart. And in Havoc Mexicans were doing Jumping Bean leaps over her to double pork that blond skank she was with. She will suck the life out of this movie.
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One of the great joys of my battles with asimovlives (and others) over Abrams TREK is this whole idea that chance and coincidence and fate have no reason to be part of a story, and that everything has to be plausible and make logical sense or it shouldn't be in a movie. You guys must lead really sad, depressing lives if that's the case. Life doesn't make sense. Love doesn't make sense. It has everything to do with chance and coincidence and fate. You can make all kinds of plans to rob a bank or casino or murder someone and get away with it, but you can't really make elaborate plans to meet someone and fall in love with them. It just happens. Friendships can start that way too. People don't always behave rationally. So yes, Spock might send Kirk in an escape pod to the nearest planet with a Federation base. And yes, Kirk might get pissed off and refuse to wait to be rescued. And yes, Kirk can be running from a monster and get saved by Spock Prime, who was also heading for the Federation Base and hid in the cave when the storm started up. Stranger shit has happened. You motherfuckers have never met a really great woman you wouldn't have ever met if you'd gone to a different club or book store or art exhibition, or just decided to stay home that day? The Joker's plans in TDK are textbook examples of the old phrase "It's so Crazy, It Just Might Work!" The audacity of them is part of the fun. Of course they probably wouldn't work in real life. But if most of us inherited billions, we wouldn't be Batman either would we? We'd just be the rich poonhound douchebag Bruce Wayne pretends to be.
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I know it's very difficult for you to believe, but the Batpod is still *gasp* REAL! It exists! It isn't a fantasy made-up CG magic machine! "While the filmmakers and Warner Brothers have been tight-lipped about any vehicle specs in the movie, Corbould clearly had to reinvent how a motorcycle's systems make it run. Nolan and Crowley's original sketches had no tailpipe, but anything with a motor needs an outlet for exhaust. Weaving around the bike's carbon-fiber and Kevlar body and steel chassis, the design team built the exhaust system into the frame, ducting it through the hollow steel/aluminum/magnesium tubing. Two months later, the high-performance, water-cooled, single-cylinder engine--geared toward the lower end for faster acceleration--was ready to power the Pod. Only there was another headache: Who in the world could drive this thing? Bruce Wayne's monster-truck tires worked just fine on the Tumbler, but integrating them with the Bat-Pod's steering system was "totally bizarre," Corbould says. At about 20 in. wide--enough to balance the bike without a kickstand--the wheels didn't look like they would go anywhere but straight ahead. "We skimmed layers of rubber off and then started changing the angles of the steering joints and things like that," says Corbould. But that didn't stop the rear tires from blowing in test after test. At the suggestion of stunt driver Jean-Pierre Goy, the design team restored the rear tire to its original radius and modified only the front, allowing Goy to control the bike. Still the only one can actually drive the Bat-Pod, Goy refused to drive any regular motorcycles during filming--the Pod was just too one-of-a-kind, too confusing for other on-the-road styles. Then there's that little matter of gadgetry. Besides his extreme wealth and dedication to wiping out mob crime in Gotham, there's nothing super about Bruce Wayne--and that might make him the most gear-loaded superhero of all time. Although it's not Caped Crusader style to resort to guns (modded goggles and body armor get more screen time in The Dark Knight), you have to fight fire with fire when The Joker's packing heat. So the Bat-Pod joins the legion of gun-toting movie motorcycles with .50-cal. machine guns and 40 mm cannons built directly into its framework. Then the bike one-ups them with its pneumatically launched grappling hooks, which flip an 18-wheeler over in one key shootout. In order to give Batman the ability to maneuver under low clearances, the Bat-Pod can physically lower and elongate itself. On set, the front forks extended and the chassis hugged the ground, positioning Goy parallel to the ground--and that's before pulling a 360. "The saddle is free to rotate," Crowley says. "It allows you to do all kinds of odd movement within the frame of the bike." Another cool design element: Those footrests are actually the bike's radiator. But like the exhaust, the normal components had to be hidden to keep the bike's profile true to the original concept. Then there was what Corbould saw as a potentially disastrous--and dangerous--design flaw: Without mudflaps, would Batman's cape get caught up in the wheels? The design team spent weeks on a work-around. Maybe the cape would have a kind of ejection device, or even a way to suck back in to the all-new Batsuit. But it was all for naught: During test rides, the cape trailed Goy flawlessly through the streets of lower Gotham. The image, Corbould says, "was just iconic." Now excuse me while I clean my mother's basement. And by basement, I mean workplace downtown. And by clean, I mean not clean. It's Friday. We've got janitors for that. BEER TIME!
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There is that. Maybe if TDK was two movies then there would be time for things like the Joker's escape from the penthouse or rigging Gotham general AT THE SAME TIME AS RACHEL AND DENT but Nolan must have said "The audience will either figure it out or not care." so we have the one TDK.
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It should have been TWO movies.
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...are people who didn't like TDK on this page to begin with? Why do they care what Selina looks like? Why are they reading the talkbacks and commenting if they think these movies are worthless anyway? (I think I'm about to step in a troll shitstorm by saying that.) If you hate these movies, then ignore them.
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Are these movies based in reality? BB was originally marketed that way to distance itself from the dreadful Schulmacher versions, and TDK kept up that mantle. But realistic, I don't think so. I believe people think these movies are "realistic" simply because Nolan has taken the time in both of his Batman movies to explain nearly every detail (Tumbler came from a bridge project, the cell phone sonar thing in TDK, Joker says Maroony's men (who are paid-off cops) took Harvey implying that the henchmen set up the explosives, etc.). There's even a montage in BB where Bruce and Alfred are plotting out how to be Batman. Few steps are skipped. Anyway, not many of these Batman items could really exist in the real world (a tank-like car that drives on roof tops and can jump...not possible). I'd say the approach of the films is more organic and more grounded but not real, as opposed to the ridiculousness/slapstick/cartoony nature of the Burton/Schumacher versions. Plus, when the characters in the film DON'T say things like "Where does he get those wonderful toys," it adds even more to that sense of "reality. Plus, c'mom, real? From the get go it was definitely a heightened and exaggerated reality. BB had an ancient city in the hills of Asia where ninjas trained. TDK had a man literally have half of his body burned (literally, 50 percent, like with a line down his face and suit and everything). BB had a fear toxin...a fucking FEAR Toxin that poisoned the water supply! TDK had a friggin' motorcycle shoot out of tank! How can anyone call these films "realistic" when Batman can soar like a friggin' bird? So please, don't base your judgment off of "could this really happen?" Because it can't. Instead ask "could this happen within the rules set up by the current and previous films?"
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Still the only one can actually drive the Bat-Pod
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i imagine that there are some people with a deep passion for the source material, which is why they feel compelled to voice dissatisfaction at any opportunity. But then you have others, who simply tear apart anything they can just to get a rise out of strangers online. Because that's what bitter little insecure mouth breathers do. Compensate for their deep personal failings by getting their trollish little internet tough-guy routine on, and claim it's just lulz if backed into a corner. If they use words like 'cunt' and 'faggot' and such, then it's a pretty good indicator that they barely have enough brainpower to keep their fingers typing. No straight, well-adjusted guy has that kind of neurotic hate. That's rage born from a complete rejection by women, or repression of personal desires.
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I have a better sense of humor, and i'm more witty, and insightful when it comes to film than probably 95% of the people on this webiste. I have performed some pretty hilarious, insightful deconstructions of things like the Prequels, the end of Lost, etc. on this website (goes back far beyond my *Viggeo* handle...). And i have garnered much praise for doing so, to your obvious dissatisfaction... I also deal with ACTUAL trolls and idiot talkbackers (like yourself) with biting sarcasm and subtle irony when need be. You've apparently missed out on that stuff.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 8:18 p.m. CST
Re: But Anne Hathaway Said She Was Playing Catwoman
by triplesixclickqueer
What a buncha bitch artists'' Bbbbbut Anne Said Anne said quotation marked bunny rabbit ear finger pointing) Bitch at the last supper why doncha , Huh? ,bbbut I wanna sit next to Jesus , I wanna sit next to Jesus Man, reminds me of the fat man with tattoo sleeve displaying all prominent Police Academy characters (done up in Gothic prison font): 'Hook, Zed, Tackleberry. Et CETERA entwined in some kind of choral reef bullshit fish graphic waiting his time in line at Subway and finally called. And he starts Bitchin about the Pork BBQ sub not being a 5$ dollar footlong option, Yea I was behind him in line too. Hungry Oh, 5 oclock somewhere then. Daaamn , man. And Bane is still small and now Anne running her doughy mouth. Point is: How do we know for sure Anne said she was playing Catwoman? Effin hidden microphones?! Bane has done made me a sourpuss.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST
How is this suit anything but a failure? And why is she rockin' a Virtua Boy?
by Onin Solstice
Am I the only one who likes ears and claws on my Catwomans? There better be more to the suit. Hathaway has a great pair of boobs, but it's the ass that makes a true Catwoman.
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How? Hip.
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By Far, By far. THe weirdest shit you 5"7 dudes wrote today That I read. Diligently By far the weirdest shit I read all day Cheers, Queer
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And effin Hip/ Yes sir It is awful. Help me Help you
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6 Degrees Game. Whos In?
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Aug. 5, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST
can you create a city wide sonar tracking system through peoples cell phones?
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
Fuck. No.
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How goes it? What's yer take on APES?
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Clearly not the finished article; note the tape around the back of her chin (because they left out the skull-cap). The goggles look like a basic mock-up of the much sleeker goggles catwoman wears in the comics and Batman: Arkham City. It looks to me like a very basic mock-up version of her cat-suit used for rehearsals. After all, they would not use the proper costume for anything other than actual filming. I think these shots are intentionally misleading. This all looks like Nolan testing things before using his actual materials.
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Bruce Wayne has lost his only chance for a normal life (Rachel). Then, enter stage right, Selina Kyle aka Catwoman, a woman who is morally ambiguous yet also the only person who can truly understand Batman/Bruce Wayne, her being the mirror image of him in female form. Each sees themselves in the other. They are drawn to each other by their own uniqueness. Instead of just having a dull "love-interest" whos' shoehorned into the story as an extension of Bruce, Catwoman is a character in her own right and thus a whole lot more interesting.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST
anyone else feel like theyre in store for a Batman and Robin prequel?
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
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...and we see a better, more "Catwoman"-like outfit. If this is indeed the Catwoman "suit", then why call her "Catwoman"? She doesn't have the iconic look at all. Disappointing for sure. But we will all just have to wait to see how it all plays out next summer.
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On set photos show her wearing this same outfit at the riot outside City Hall. If you assume that happens early in the movie, there's still plenty of time for her to get into a more traditional Catwoman outfit.
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I thought people that go to this site read comic books and actually know what the new Batman movie is about. I guess not. You guys are expecting Nolan to change the face of cinema with this movie, that if seeing one fucking frame doesn't thrill you all day, you're in fucking protest trying to make a retarded point. You guys are just gonna go in and look for everything wrong with this movie, rather than enjoy it.
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I know I'm joining in late to this TB and all, but I just don't buy Hathaway being able to be, what's the term, not bad ass... maybe just not intimidating enough or formidable to be Catwoman. Catwoman should be kinda hard core in terms of being able to use some hand to hand combat at the very least. No she doesn't need to be Trinity from The Matrix or Uma from Kill Bill deadly, but Hathaway? I just don't see it. Marion Cottilard would have worked much better. She gave off a dangerous vibe in Inception that made me believe she could play a great Catwoman. Then again, Nolan surprised us by casting Heath Ledger as the Joker, and that worked well. I am kinda curious to see how Hathaway does in this. Maybe it will work and I am just being stubborn.
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I definitely see shades of the old school Catwoman from the hilarious acid trip that was the Adam West and Burt Ward dynamic duo. But this alludes to that old school look without being cheesy. I like the whole notion of Catwoman as a master thief, which I believe was in the comics back in the day and was done pretty damn well in the animated series. I hated the Tim Burton nut job Catwoman. Michelle Pfiefer did a good job with what she was given, but it was just the wrong way to write that character. Kinda like how they wrote Ripley in Alien Resurrection. It was just all wrong IMO, even though the actress in both cases wasn't bad per say, but was just given such goofy stuff to work with and directors that were too focused on the style and not the substance.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:12 p.m. CST
Although, I'd be fine if the Catwoman costume evolved over the course of the film
by lv_426
I still prefer the more traditional Catwoman look where she has the full mask and ears.
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The more I like them. This'll be fine.
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This is the first thing I've seen from TDKR that underwhelms.Hopefully this is an early iteration of Selina's costume.
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Well, my fine upwardly-mobile friend, my original point isn't whether the thing actually existed, it was that it was so exaggerated that it was virtually unrideable and made no actual sense, in that it would be practically undriveable. Of course it exists, see that picture up there with Catwoman on it... To quote your own post: Still the only one can actually drive the Bat-Pod Only one stuntman can even drive the thing. Also, the builders stated that it was obvious that Nolan had never ridden an actual motorcycle, and had no idea how they work when he came up with the design. I just find it irritating when tech stuff in movies is so unrealistic. I would have been happier if it was some sweet superbike that may actually do some of the things it is supposed to. That's much more impressive that pulling something out of your ass. I's actually Nolan who didn't do his homework. It's comparable to the 24th century tech we see every week on CSI and similar shows. That bugs me, too. Happy Friday, now go have a beer.
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There are black Dominicans too you know.
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This Catwoman is clearly going to be a serious, capable woman, rather than the basket case in Burton's film (which I loved).
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Aug. 5, 2011, 11:48 p.m. CST
Why is it always daytime in these shots? Its very UN-Dark Knight!
by HB_Dad
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Kerry Washington, Jada Pinket, Joy Bryant, Jessica Lucas, Keisha Knight Pullam, Raven Symone, tons more...
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I love The Dark Knight. I'm very excited about The Dark Knight Rises. But I'm not going to pre-judge the film based on a couple of official pics, some off-set, bystander photos and a 30 second teaser trailer. I hope it's going to be a brilliant film. We'll just have to wait and see, and keep our fingers crossed! But I gotta know: all you TDK haters, what are YOUR favorite films? What movies do YOU love? And if the answer is ANYTHING by Michael Bay, well, your opinion is completely invalid and you need to go back to masturbating in your own feces!
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Aug. 6, 2011, 1:48 a.m. CST
NOLAN RAPES YOUR WIVES WHILE DRINKING YOUR TEARS OUT OF A PLATINUM GOBLET!!!
by Vin
Its hard to please the closet gays on this board (specifically the TDK haters)
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but I just can't fucking see it for all the flaws. just for fun, here're some quotes from him: I like to find truth, and then illuminate others on said truth. It's almost akin to me being Neo, and i'm pulling out all of the TDK-fluffers out of the *matrix*. That's why i'm on a crusade against it. I can see the light.... -- Fuck, for a dude who purports to hate religion, that's a lot of zeal and one hell of Messiah complex you got going there man..But I guess that's beside the point. I doubt I can say much that others haven't already said, all I can do is reiterate them in my own way: 1) most (or all) movies CAN be nitpicked apart, if you really want to. As someone said on some other talkback recently, no movie is EVER going to be able to suffer as much scrutiny as, you know, REALITY. It's asking too much. It's especially asking too much when the very concept inherent in the premise is about a guy who dresses up as a bat to fight crime. Viggeo you said: I just wanted a film that holds up to casual scrutiny. Which, after several viewings... it did not. But how the hell is does several viewings constitute casual scrutiny? It doesn't, surely. To reiterate (again), almost any movie seen several times is gonna show up some flaws. Because it's NOT REAL. And because, see point 2, the film-maker may not have even cared about leaving in such 'flaws' 2) yes it's true that the Joker, in TDK, seems to work both as an agent of chaos (as he says he does), but also plans things like clockwork - to a degree that no mere human ever could. But as people have said - so what? fuck total realism. As someone else pointed out, we're dealing with archetypes here. Art and entertainment are not beholden to total realism. I love David Mamet's movies, where the performances are often very stylised and NON-naturalistic. Does that make them bad? no, it just means that to enjoy them you need a broader conception of what movies/art/entertainment can be. Nolan has said, I'm sure I've read or heard, that the Joker was deliberately given no coherent backstory at all because they wanted him to be like a force of nature, without explanation...which obviously ties in very well with the themes of the movie. But moreover, it allows him to be, get this concept, LARGER THAN LIFE, mythic, and also allows for some truly inspired sequences which would never have been possible were we asking for the pure yawn of total realism. I don't mind a LITTLE 'artifice' in my art, if it blows my mind - especially when I know going in that I'm gonna have to work A LITTLE BIT on my own to suspend my disbelief. 3) the constant back-and-forth over whether film critique is inherently subjective or objective: obviously at some point or in some way it has to be subjective. That's not to say there's NOTHING inherent in the piece in question which can objectively be appraised, provided we're all coming from a similar standpoint (ie consistency of tone is better than not, all other things being equal. Dialogue which clearly illuminates themes, without being heavy-handed, is better than the alternative, etc.) Anybody who wants to be a) coherent, and b) wants to say that there's NOTHING objective in film criticism, will have to declare that there is NO valid reason why TDK is 'better' than Twilight. Any takers? With regard to TDK, we've hit a point where we just fundamentally disagree on one of these points; the haters say: logical fallacies in a movie destroy that movie, any possible good qualities it may have notwithstanding. People who are willing to overlook these 'flaws' are saying: these 'flaws' - which we admit exist in the film, by and large - are tantamount to NOTHING. They exist because they almost always must, in a film like this, and therefore it's unfair to blame the film for them, let alone consider the film 'bad' or a failure on that basis alone. Furthermore, in order to eliminate some of those flaws you would be doing a diservice to the artistry of the film-maker; reducing the excitement of scenes like the bank heist, and lessening the impact of some of the movie's major themes. But I doubt anybody is going to switch from one side of that point to the other. Personally? I was uber-hyped to see the flick, but we got to the cinema late and i MISSED the bank heist on the first screening, if u can believe that. I came out of the movie nitpicking flaws all over the place. Then I saw the flick again, from the very damn start this time, and LOVED it, and the move I've seen it the more I realise how genius the script is in foreshadowing events, illuminating themes, etc. It's not flawless, but I dunno what movie is - for some reason time seems to render flaws less glaring (just look with a seriously critical eye at many many of the movies we consider classics - let alone the superhero movies we consider classics - and you'll find flaws aplenty)...if that's the case, then I really don't mind saying that in 15 or 20 or however many years, the brilliant elements of TDK will far outshine its flaws, and barely anyone will hold it in anything but very high esteem. That's why it's NOT fucking over-rated. Damn I hope vigio isn't just a troll... p.s. someone asked why people don't bash BB. That's because deep down inside even the haters realise that only TDK is WORTH bashing, cos it's just that GOOD. It's the same reason the sane ones amongst it consider it worth nitpicking, perhaps - the only difference is, when we find those nitpicked flaws, we don't decry the whole thing and toss it on a bonfire of hate
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'Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."
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Your intellect shows chinks in it's armour when you write about Zoe Saldana. Yes, she is of Dominican heritage. She's also 'black' and has said so herself. You act as if no 'black' latinos exist. Your confusing race with culture.
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The fuck happened to that 'edit' button?
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Aug. 6, 2011, 2:33 a.m. CST
There is a helluva a lot of homophobia in this particular talkback.
by golden tribw
Bunch of e-hard morons.
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I mentioned the Lid of the Ark and although I except (and ws awaiting) your reasoning that it was "magic and how would I know how that would work" it still stands out as a silly moment in the film; I have heard audience titters when that moment happens (I saw that movie at least twenty + times AT the the cinema) and Spielberg knew this which is why he covers that moment with a crashing of thunder to stiffle any audience laughter; he gets away with it, just. I notice that you picked the ONE item on the list of contrivances from Raiders that you could possibly answer and completely ignored the whole submarine issue but since you raised the issue that the Lid colsure was done by magic, is a supernatural event that has its own rules that I can't lay real world physical laws on to; fine; then you state that those supernatural elements can't apply to TDK because it is set in the REAL world;again fine: but in that case surely you have to accept coincidence and just blind luck and some times crazy advance planning- the recent horror in Norway should be example enough for you- because those things do happen in the REAL world. Can't have your cake and eat it, my friend.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 2:39 a.m. CST
The apes rises, the dark knight rises, valhalla rises, anibal rises, cobra rises, everybody rises this says.
by AsimovLives
The rising of the rosed risen.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 2:40 a.m. CST
cymbalta4thedevil, long time no see you around here. How have you been?
by AsimovLives
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Your willingness to take on viggeo and his arrogant opinions, ridicule and scorn make this Talkback worth reading. CTM always has GREAT points also, usually peppered with his obscene (but hilarious) attacks. Also, thank you for writing "Can't have your cake and eat it" instead of "Can't have your cake and eat it too," which infuriates Harlan Ellison to no end.
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Seen anything good lately?
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now THAT'S what I call a reasoned argument, if argument is even the correct word.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 3:02 a.m. CST
Yiou guys who piss on nolan's BATMAN movies, you don't deserve such good movies. Stick to your Michael Bay bullshit.
by AsimovLives
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You know, that shit on the the lamppost in those Lil Bayne photos? Is it just some random graffiti on location that will not be in the final film or could it somehow be plot related? And are we totally sure this picture is not actually one that's been pulled from some SPY KIDS marketing materials? Cause damn..it looks kind of goofy. THE SPY KID RISES
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And they make this one not seem so bad. http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2011/08/05/more-catwoman-photos-emerge-from-the-dark-knight-rises-set/ One thing that I'm way more curious about is: How much of this thing is being filmed in IMAX?
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Is she playing a virtual reality game where she is Batman on his Batpod? I guess it's no surprise she has a tight black outfit, but I hope the glasses are not really part of her normal costume, and that her hair is covered too. But I am thinking this is what she "really" looks like when she is Catwoman.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 5:21 a.m. CST
I know you dudes are excited, but man, I'm getting serious 'threequel bloat' vibe from all this.
by Knuckleface
Since the outset of pre-production, I've got the impression the gang is back together for the paycheque, not the film. Everyone involved seems to be a bit bored, tired and embarrassed.
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You have won this talkback.
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I'm not too bad, thanks for aasking. This is the first day of my sumemr vacations, so yeah, i'm good, really good. How have you been? Last movie saw was yesterday, and it was CAPTAIN AMERICA. And i like dit. I really liked it. It'as good, honest, nice movie. Good entertainment fun. I don't think i have any thing bad to say about it, really. It'as a movie that works, far better then i would had ever guess form the first time it was anounced. and as anybody can see, when it was first anounded was was quite critical and skeptical of it.. to put it mildly. Basically, ilike dit and i'm glad i watched it. The Marvel guys actually know what they are doing.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 5:43 a.m. CST
Anne Hathaway looks liek a 1940s pin-up in some of those released photos. and there's absolutly nothing wrong in that, quite the contrary. Yeah!
by AsimovLives
Hathaway as a 40s pin-up = hot!
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I just don't hope he doesn't visit this site!! I can imagine that he'll want to finish the Batman trilogy, just to shut the fucking idiots the fuck up!! Me? I loved the Dark Knight. I hope he delivers an ace with the next one, just so that some of the po-faced cunts out there have something else to bicker about and develop stomach ulcers. Oh, and the Prestige is my favourite Chris Nolan movie, and phategod2, the whole casting was pretty awesome I felt!!
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Aug. 6, 2011, 6:39 a.m. CST
The other pics on the cycle are her stunt double
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
Still looks pretty hot. Not that I like the costume. Because I really don't. Those photos look like they were taken from the same set as that Batman vs Bane brawl.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 6:41 a.m. CST
that looks like a modern, high tech thieving Catwoman alright
by alexander
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sure the Indy films aren't to be taken seriously (although the first IS a classic, despite the flaws it has-sound familiar, Mr viggeo?) but surely the fridge scene in Crystal Skull goes beyond the level of suspension of disbelief needed in such pieces of pure entertainment. Pity, because the set up with the pretend town full of nuclear test dummies was good and quite eerie and the scene ended with an awesome shot of Indy silhouetted against a mushroom cloud: unfortunately, in between those two scenes, there was the flying fucking fridge. It's like the stupidity of the life raft off the cliff in Temple of Doom wasn't silly enough for Lucas and Spielberg or they just wanted to see how much guff we, as the audience, would swallow; well, they learned (hopefully) that that was a piece of crap too far.
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No, thank you.
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but after several rereads I've my post I've noticed numerous typos, so.
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This time from the side and it's definitely the Batpod. Looks like regular bike leathers with her own utility belt. http://collider.com/dark-knight-rises-set-photos-catwoman-anne-hathaway/107701/
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I HAVE BEEN BASKING IN EXCITEMENT OVER THIS MOVIE SINCE I WAS IN THE THEATER WATCHING THE DARK KNIGHT END, BUT THESE RECENT PICS ARE KILLING MY BUZZ. I DON'T THINK BANE IS AN INTERESTING ENOUGH CHARACTER, AT LEAST TO HOLD MY ATTENTION, AND I DON'T SEE HOW ANNE HATHAWAY WORKS AS CATWOMAN. I HAVE BEEN HEARING RUMORS THAT THE LEAGUE OF SHADOWS MAY USE AN EARTHQUAKE MACHINE AKIN TO TRIGGER THE 'NO MANS LAND' STORY, BUT THIS SOUNDS AWFUL. IT DOESN'T SEEM UNREASONABLE FOR MR NOLAN THOUGH. HE DID HAVE THEM USE A 'MICROWAVE EMITTER' TO VAPORIZE THE CITY'S WATER AND SPREAD THE FEAR TOXIN. MOVIE LOOKS BAD AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
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Some of you have already seen the photos I linked to. Must have come out yesterday or very early this AM.
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Everyone hated the casting choice for the joker too when that shit was announced. A majority of people on this site will hate just about anything except what comes out of their little fantasies.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST
I don't know about the film, with Bale and Nolan I expect "Good"; but
by conspiracy
let me say right here and now; that I would without pay or any form of compensation use my tongue to dry Hathaways honey sweet sweat pool from the crotch of her leather catsuit. Fact.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST
From the other stills on the courthouse steps it looks like they're doing a Julie Newmar thing with her....
by thecomedian
...With the big hair, the big hips and the sexy catsuit. Hopefully they will put her in some kind of cowl by the end of the film. She still looks sexy as hell. Either way I don't think Nolan is that much of a fanboy cockblocking "realist" that he's gonna make a Batman movie featuring "Selina Kyle" in a skin tight suit as the girl sidekick but never call her Catwoman and deliberately not have her wear a cowl or Cat ears, just wearing some generic Emma Peel/Black Widow outfit. At the end of the day he's still making a movie about a guy who dresses up like Dracula every night to kick the shit out of purse snatchers. Hopefully this is the "Catwoman Begins" look with the full-on look by the end of the film.
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shouldve have got JGL to play joker...
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Aug. 6, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST
Joseph Gordon Levitt as new joker "death changes a man"
by FleshMachine
after batman says...."there's something different about you"..joker shouldve been recast..chock it up to plastic surgery etc etc ..what a wasted opportunity.
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That The Dark Knight was a fluke....Ledger's death was the cause of most of the fuss over that movie, because when you stand back and look at it, you see more holes than a slice of swiss cheese...the movie just falls apart when viewed outside of any kind of popcorn like enjoyment, which is why it made nearly a billion dollars; Ledger's death, the popcorn aspect, the coolness of Batman in general, gay, blind fanboy love for Nolan...these were merely the smokescreen that obscured TDK's mediocrity.
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The Dark Knight Rises = best super hero film of all time (.)
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Aug. 6, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST
The last scene alone in fact the last speech Gordon gives to his son is worth tears of gold I weep every time I watch it.
by LUIS
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Aug. 6, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST
I just hope we get plenty of ass shots of her spread in the Bat pod a la Batman in TDK
by LUIS
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Aug. 6, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST
viggo mortenson, you're fucked in the head, you're the biggest idiot I've ever heard on these talkbacks, rot in hell ya loser, you don't deserve a car, you suck
by jolliff89
hey viggo, were you completely braindead when you went to watch the dark knight. did you go into a coma halfway through the movie and miss the movie? How could any rational, intelligent human being not like the dark knight? oh wait, that's it, you're not intelligent, your arguments are for shit, and you must like really shitty movies. If you don't like the dark knight, what movie do you really enjoy and why? let me guess, jack nicholson? where he was basically playing the joker as a drunk, and just goofy. people like you need to not ever comment on pages ever again.
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one of the definitions of a troll is one who flood-posts, meaning posts excessively, as in multiple times in a row in order to attract attention to their attention starved personalities... ...you've posted 6 times in a row... so no sir, i am not a troll, you are a troll.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST
You r still gay and have no taste in graphic novels or cinema billy_d_williams. Fucking inbred Troll!
by LUIS
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in your awesome list of movies there, which i can't deny has some good ones on it, you posted jurassic park. Now i'm convinced you're an idiot with no true understanding of story especially if you're trying to say that jurassic park was a better film than the dark knight. The stupid fucking movie didn't have an ending! It was a dinosaur that just came into a large hall, roared, and then you watched people leave. It didn't end at all and for argument to this, read Robert Mckee's book, Story. Every line you write is the biggest load of trash on here. i don't think i've ever disliked any talkbacker more than your dumbass because you present the notion that you're intelligent when it comes to film but in reality you're cohagen's bosom buddies.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST
The Joke is a mastermind criminal he can achieve what he does in TDK because again he is a mastermind criminal.
by LUIS
And to those who question the secondary characters in TDK i.e. the fairy Dibo the cop with a wife in the hospital etc. Imagine you lived in N.Y. now imagine you witnessed the Twin Tower´s falling now imagine if Osama Bin Laden resided in New York and kidnapped I don´t know... Connan O´brian the next day and said in national TV if some guy you never met wasn´t dead in an hour he would blow up a hospital, now imagine your wife was in the hospital say NY General Hospital of some terrible illness and she had to stay connected otherwise she would be dead and imagine you were like in LOVE with her... Imagine the fucking state of mind you would be in now imagine you had the guy right in front of you and you had a shotgun... an hour... not enough time for you to do alot thinking you would act on your human instincts and i think you would sacrifice your life integrity and what not for her otherwise you wouldn´t be in love with her... If you see any of the footage of the 911 crisis you see people act desperately you see people shoving other people out of the way you see people jumping out of windows taking their own lifes you see firemen going up the stairs into the flames people react in extreme ways to extreme situations.
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Aside from the craptastic Schumacher entries I've enjoyed all the Batman films to date, and I have to admit TDK has been the best at least for me to date. I'm no fanboy of any one director I prefer to be a fanboy of the films. Schumacher being a good case in pont; he makes those dire Batman films but also made the rather spiffing Phone Booth. Both Nolan's Batman films have grounded one foot in reality as much as you can given the central premise. They are what they are; entertaing stories. Not some discourse on the human psyche. Most films rely on contrivances to move the plot forward or to express the nature of a character. With the TDK and the whole bank robbery scene it wasn't about the robbery per se but a way to show how smart, methodical and ruthless the Joker is. Throughout that scene and for pretty much the entire movie he is always one step ahead, and for me the robbery scene severd to highlight this perfectly. Yes it required a suspension of disbelief, but I was willing to pay that price. While the Joker may outwardly give the impression of being a psycho, he isn't someone that can fall into any one psychological profile. He is unquantifiable and thats what makes him so dangerous. If you don't like this film or any film then that's down to your own personal tastes. But to act like your opinion and interpretation of it is the only true correct one is a bit naive. Everything I think about TDK is just my take on a film I enjoyed.
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The Dark Knight was a good movie, but most of Viggeo's criticisms are valid. It's got plenty of flaws. Oh, and Jurassic Park blows it out of the fucking water.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST
This place cracks me up! Anybody who criticizes Nolan is automatically a troll. And THAT'S reasoned debate.
by Subtitles_Off
What should one call a knee-jerk who denies anything in front of his very eyes? A Tea Partier? A Fellatiator? Eh, I'll stick with "dumbass." moviemack told you years ago. Now I'm telling you: The only inarguably good thing about THE DARK KNIGHT RISES AND TALKS IN A LOW MUMBLE SAYING LOTS OF STUPID SHIT THAT WON'T MAKE ANY SENSE EXCEPT TO THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO APPLY MUCH THOUGHT TO IT (OK, we'll call it RISES for ease) is that it'll be the last time Christopher Nolan dips his flipper in the pool. Thank Jebus! They're already rebooting Batman for the next generation of popcorn-munchers, and I guarantee all you Nolan-jaculators will get your chance to troll those boards to your hearts' content. I'll give you a hint: He'll be younger, he'll pout at a girl, and his uniform will be more skin-tight, like it ought to be, but it will have little bat emblems sewn into it all over so it looks textural --- you know, more like it was made by a high school kid. Man-Bat will be motion-captured. So will Killer Croc. Probably Penguin, too. Why not? BY THE MAKERS OF AVATAR! Laurence Fishburn will show up after the end credits and show Batman Wonder Woman's brassiere. You'll all be frothing through your lips, but you won't be able to admit it because that would seem like disloyalty to your false idol. You'll end up arguing with your last decade's selves. Maybe your heads will explode. I'm looking forward to it.
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Nooooo!
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Aug. 6, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST
billy_d_williams is right about one thing...
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy
Ledger's death was undoubtedly the major factor that propelled TDK to a billion dollars worldwide. It would have been a big hit regardless - the goodwill fostered by Btaman Begins, and the appearance of the iconic Joker, no matter who played him, would have seen to that - but, as far as the general public, and not Batman-fellating fanboys, are concerned, morbid curiousity over Ledger's untimely demise was the motivating factor. That's not to say that Ledger's performance wasn't truly great (it's the one aspect of TDK that ISN'T overrated) or that the movie wasn't very good and worthy of some of its praise, but anyone expecting TDKR to be a hit, or a phenomenon, on the same level will be sorely disappointed. It won't even come close to TDK's gross or acclaim, even if it is very good.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST
Yeah. Sorry, 'Lop. A giant, drooling, mutant Penguin from the sewers will RISE.
by Subtitles_Off
Andy Serkis has already been cast.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST
Also, I predict that TDKR will be the movie that ends the fanboy love affair with Nolan...
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy
where everything he shits is gold, and no one is allowed to say a bad word against him. And it won't be because TDKR is bad by any means, just that it will have some polarizing aspects and the novelty of Nolan worshipping will have worn off. This is actually a good thing, because it will allow Nolan to be appraised by true film lovers again, as he was around the time of Memento, instead of the geekoids who jumped aboard the bandwagon because he tackled a big genre film - Batman Begins. The fanboys always anoint somebody as a 'golden idol', and then piss on said individual when he does his own thing instead of pleasing simplistic male geeks' ideas of what they should be making, or when he does films that reach a certain level of popularity outwith that demographic. It happened to Peter Jackson after LOTR, Spielberg after Jurassic Park, and Cameron when he did Titanic - undeservedly in all cases, and nothing to do with the quality of their work or their standing among ordinary film lovers, but amongst the geekery for whom they were forever tainted. TDKR won't be a slam dunk like its predecessor - people will argue over Catwoman, the portrayal of Bane, the over-stuffed plot - the curse of the third film in a trilogy, in effect. Then we can get rid of all these ridiculous Nolan fanboys who automatically rate his every new movie as the number one film of all time on the IMDB, and shout down everybody who raises the merest objection that TDK is something absolutely unimpeachable or flawless. Nolan can then just get busy with interesting stuff like his Howard Hughes movie or whatever he chooses to do next, instead of having these absurd expectations attached to him every time out.
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Peter Jackson deserves all the heaps of crap he took for KING KONG. That was abominable. Other than that, your analysis of Nolan-mania is first-rate. Tell me again, why do we hate each other?
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now that is a pussycat i want to 'pat'. hur hur hur :P
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i want the Nolan of Memento.i like the Nolan of Batman but he deserves something better than that.
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it looks like a little girl trying ride a bike
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Aug. 6, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST
asimovile you seem to have no idea what a 40s pinup was like
by chien_sale
they had a whole lot more curves.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST
You know, after coming back and giving all the pics another fair look, I've come to realize that they're just as boring as I first thought.
by kevred
Sure these aren't outtakes from 'Get Smart'? On that note, too late for The Rock as Bane?
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Brilliant film without all the ponderous nonsense that's built up since.
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Ho Hum, that old death of Ledger argument again. Yeah, sure, it was my morbid curiosity that made me see the film several times at the Cinema and then again at the Imax and then downoad it then buy it when it came out on DVD and then again on Blu-ray. I've agreed with a lot of what you have had to say here in the talk backs in the past and I'm sure that I will again in the future but when it comes to the death of Heath Ledger driving TDK's huge box office then you come offf like a complete twat; especially if you really believe that arguement (and I suspect not).
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turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy, you don't want the fan boy affair with Nolan to end you just want it returning to your loving arms, to come back and be YOUR fan boy affair. Nolan makes the sort of films HE want's to make and will continue to do so and we can thank the Batman films, and his SUCCESSFUL vision of those for giving him the clout to make films such as The Prestige (in my opinion his best film to date) and Inception; and before you have a dig at Inception being too commercial and not enough Memento for you, has Nolan not said that he has been writing that film, on and off, for something like ten years?. If so that would make the inception of that film right around the time that Nolan was making Memento. Yeah, he's a real sell out. Reminds me of when The Beatles made the album Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and all the "real" Beatles fans, as they nomenclatured themselves, called it a travesty and that The Beatles had lost their way; note how that album is viewed today.
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do you know what?; after reading your inane comments re TDK and Get Smart you're not as boring as I first thought: you're more so.
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the "fact" that Memento is Nolan's best film is subjective. Actual fact.
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A simple enough outfit yet these chowderheads manage to get it wrong. Sad, really.
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if you check the BO numbers,TDK is a paradox compared to the usual grosses of the other blockbusters in the top 10 list and especially with the comic-book movies.
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if you check the BO numbers,TDK is a paradox compared to the usual grosses of the other blockbusters in the top 10 list and especially with the comic-book movies.
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You're doing a lot of projecting there, inferring things from my comments that were never intended. "Yeah, sure, it was my morbid curiosity that made me see the film several times at the Cinema and then again at the Imax and then downoad it then buy it when it came out on DVD and then again on Blu-ray." For fuck's sake, man, don't be so damn sensitive. I never implied YOU - or indeed, many of the people here. I was taking about the GENERAL AUDIENCES, the casual filmgoers, the ones who propelled TDK to a hit that was an anomaly even beyond the usual successful superhero films, and beyond what the 'geek' faithful can do on its own. Of course you, and I, and others here, would have went to see the film regardless. We are all hard-core film buffs and genre fans (or, I assume, most of us are). But there's no doubt that Ledger's death was the grisly 'marketing hook' that induced many non-Bat fans into the cinemas. Read what I said closely; I was not implying it was the SOLE reason for TDK's success. BB was already a $200 milliion hit (US domestic) and one that slowly rose to that gross from word-of-mouth, after Batman and Robin had destroyed the series' standing in the eyes of many. This set-up enormous good-will for the sequel, which also had the trump card of The Joker to be played and, tied to the fact that it was a superlative performance and a good over-all film to boot, this ensured TDK's success. However, one cannot possibly claim that the death of Ledger had absolutely no effect whatsoever on the box office. That's simply ludicrous. Its hard to say what the box office would have been without that unfortunate event - perhaps just topping $400 million domestic or thereabouts? But Ledger's death has got to account for at least a hundred million or so (and the billion dollars world-wide). How else to explain the huge discrepancy between BB and its sequel, or even between other popular superhero films like the Spider-Man series? It doesn't matter how well they are made - superhero films generally have a upper limit on their box office grosses, especially world-wide, where the genre, being particularly American in origin and cultural resonance, isn't nearly as popular as something like, say, the Pirates movies. There are no other comparable supeheri movies even in the worldwide top twenty five, except I think, the third Spider-Man, but there's a litany of Pirates movies and Harry potter and LOTR, and other consistent franchise sand movies of the same types. All just coincidence? Perhaps. But something's a mite fishy there. (and don't make the mistake of thinking I'm equating box office with quality here, because I'm not!)
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You have clearly never been punched in the balls.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST
As for your second round of comments...
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy
"Yeah, he's a real sell out." I never implied that he was. In fact, I never said anything about Nolan himself at all, beyond - ironically - some fairly positive comments. I was specifically discussing his fan base - or at least the fair-weather fanbase - that has sprung up since he began doing Batman movies. Whether this applies to certain people here, or on the IMDB, or the multitude of other fanboy sites - is for others to decide. Again, I'm not implying that he's not got genuine fans - like yourself - but nonetheless, it is there. And you must admit that there's always a pattern around certain directors, where they go through a hot streak where they can do wrong in the eyes of the fanboys, and then, when they progress to either a different phase in their career, or do a film that, for whatever reasons, gets a mixed reception, the same fanboys will turn on them like ungrateful jackals. In the meanwhile, however, these fanboys will continually brook no criticism of their idol's movies, and ignorantly trash other directors and their works like some sort of jealous rivalry (you should know this well enough from the countdown to the release of Avatar!). This makes attempted discussion here unpleasant or just plain tiresome. I don't agree with most of what Viggeo says in the slightest, but the fact that people will pounce on anyone who implies TDk has flaws is telling. Valid criticism is not the same as mindless 'it sucks!'-type trolling. All of this is why I will be pleased when the current Nolan fervour (which reached a peak with Inception) is over. It has nothing to do with me wanting to 'claim' him as a fanboy or anything else. It simply doesn't foster good discussion. I never said that TDKR won't be a good movie, that Nolan doesn't make good movies, or denied that his Batman films give him the clout to pursue other projects or were impersonal money-spinners solely made for the purpose of ensuring this. P.S As for your Beatles example - that is not true, either. 'Pepper' was in fact met with near-unanimous acclaim when it was first released, and acceptance from fans both old and new. The Beatles' first drubbing - amongst critics and fans - was for the Magical Mystery Tour project. That is where opinion on the groups' new forays, versus their old, began to appear. Up until that point it had all been consistent - and growing - praise.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST
How the fuck does perez hilton scoop you on this shot?
by findingclues4u
http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/anne-hathaway-catsuit__oPt.jpg
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Aug. 6, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST
turd schools the pup, again. And, didn't call him an idiot even once.
by Subtitles_Off
Come on, Cult of Nolan. The bar has been raised. Comparing Nolan to The Beatles. Slack-jawed hubris, is what it is!
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"or denied that his Batman films give him the clout to pursue other projects or were impersonal money-spinners solely made for the purpose of ensuring this." Meaning - I'm aware - vis-a-vis of what you said - that the Batman films gave him the clout to make films like Inception or the Prestige, and I'm NOT saying that they are just impersonal tools in order to facillitate this. They are good movie in their own right, and contain all his signature themes, style and personal imprint the same as the other films in his canon. As for Inception - I don't think it's 'too commercial'. I have no problem with huge commercial films - the only criteria that matters is if it's a good film, not indie v. commercial hipsterism and snobbery). I just think Inception is flawed for other reasons (logical/ narrative/ performance, etc.) - although it's still a fairly strong movie - and it did not resonante with me as strongly as Memento. That's just a personal opinion. TDKR, I'm sure, will be a strong movie, based on Nolan's previous track record. But I'm getting a hunch - and it's not 'provable, by any means - that it won't be as superlatively received as TDK or Inception were. There are already a lot of mixed views on what we've seen so far. And I'm not that sold on it all myself, which started with the lazy and generic title and continues up to this rather dull looking Catwoman still. Again, call it something in the water. I may be wrong and the final movie will, as always, be the true litmus test.
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Fuck the Beatles. They're overrated.
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Aug. 6, 2011, 9:16 p.m. CST
The bigger issue with TDKR is that it seems it's a re-tread.
by Subtitles_Off
Returning to stuff in BEGINS. Some people will eat that up, but most thought TDK had moved on from that. They might've been hoping to continue in that direction. You can follow Two-Face and The Joker with Catwoman. You can't follow them with Bane and Talia Al' Ducardaghul. That trajectory is aimed down.
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An acclaimed band of the modern era. He ain't no cinematic equivalent of the Fab Four, heaven forbid!!
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Aug. 6, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST
Yep, TDKR DOES seem to be a re-tread back to the fantasy territory of 'Begins'...
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy
And make no mistake, the faux-serious tone and downplaying of the 'silly' aspects of the superhero genre were what caused some snobbish fanboys to absurdly elevate TDK to ridiculous proportions - as an equal to the Godfather Part II! Let's see them try that when we see Liam Neeson crawling out of a damn Lazarus Pit, covered in glowing green gel...
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Aug. 6, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST
Liam Neeson crawling out of a damn Lazarus Pit, covered in glowing green gel
by Mattman
While I like the 'realism' approach to the past two Batman flicks (trolls take note, I did NOT say realistic... learn the difference between the two words), I would grin ear to ear if Neeson emerges from a Lazarus Pit. Just because we haven't seen supernatural in Nolan's batflicks doesn't mean it doesn't exist. However, I kinda doubt it.
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Radiohead's new album really sucks.
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Catwoman suit is either a dress rehearsal mock-up or an early prototype early in the movie. Maybe we see her become Catwoman during the course of the film, echoing Batman's own evolution. Suspect she'll have the goggles and cowl later in the movie. Maybe Lucius Fox has sleeker gear made for her at some point in the movie, perhaps Batman is injured by Bane(who slightly resembles Batou from GITS: SAC) and Catwoman takes his place. Hathaway might be an inspired choice precisely because she will approach Catwoman from a different angle to a more obvious actress. That's why Ledger was such an inspired choice; he came at it from a totally different angle than what a more pointedly eccentric (more obvious) actor would.
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Nothing is going to change my mind. Ever.
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Aug. 7, 2011, 12:26 a.m. CST
re: viggeo_morgenstein, Attractive current black actresses:
by Immortal_Fish
Halle Berry Meagan Good That's about all i could come up with. Anybody else wanna try? ... BEHOLD!! The politically correct and tolerant liberal left.
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Aug. 7, 2011, 1:42 a.m. CST
I jwant to take credit for the phrase *Catwoman Begins*
by Continentalop
I believe I was the first to predict that story possibility and to use the phrase in this tb: <p> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45451 <P> If anyone can find it being used in an earlier tb, I will concede I was wrong, but otherwise I am taking credit for this.
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Aug. 7, 2011, 2:15 a.m. CST
I didn't like the Godfather and I think it's a poor film.
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
I'm right?
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Ledger's death was undoubtedly the major factor that propelled TDK to a billion dollars worldwide.
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I didn't compare Nolan to The Beatles (I wouldn't dare!!); I compared One situation to Another: no wonder you have to let turd do all the brain work for you.
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"Anyone who loves a film and says it's good because they enjoyed it is right. Anyone who dislikes a movie and says it's poor because they didn't enjoy it is also right." I think I know what you are getting at but I can't quite agree with that. There are plenty of films that I like for varied reasons, nostalgia, a particular performance, a bit of business within the film, but I still know that the films themselves aren't very good, sometimes downright near on awful. And I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. They're guilty pleasures, you know? (and Avatar isn't one of them, before you even think of suggesting it!!) Everything IS subjective but I suspect that there are even levels within that.
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Bats, Bane and Gordon Levitt vid on MSN http://tinyurl.com/3qvpsu6 Enjoy :)
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I agree with the first part of your post about the dark knight re the writing... dont agree with the rest...
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No ones excited about this ghetto Catwoman, or the uber ghetto Bane.
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I am. So that's your theory destroyed in just two words. Must try harder.
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Aug. 7, 2011, 6:47 a.m. CST
turd, I think the "faux-seriousness" only worked because
by Subtitles_Off
the previous version of Batman had been so flamingly, um, colorful. Nolan owes his whole career to Joel Schumacher. If it hadn't been for "nipples on the bat-suit," BATMAN BEGINS would've been dismissed for the pretentious twaddle it is.
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I think it all started with Alan Moore and the Watchmen (the comic, not the horrible movie). Since then, comic book fans have been hungering for an "ultra-realistic" depictions of super-heroes. Hell, I blame Moore for the weirdos that actually dress up as heroes and patrol cities.
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ultra-realism but rather to show how ridiculous the concept of super-heroes is in a real world. and in case you havent noticed Moore doesnt like the super-hero genre that much and personally i dont blame him.
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I never said that was what the Watchmen was about. I said that is what comic book fans have been hungering for since it came out. It isn't my fault most comic book fans took away the wrong lesson from it.
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...go outside and at least TRY try to get a fucking life. Make a comment with your point, sure. Everyone's opinion is valid. But this endless, tiresome barrage of trolling and insulting that you specialise in... *yawn* We get you don't like Nolan's Batfilms. Fine. Moving on...
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Aug. 7, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST
I may be right that I didn't enjoy the movie much
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
but if I say it's a "poor" film, then I am absolutely incorrect. The people involved in creating that movie were all brilliant artists and the movie is a great work of art. It is a classic film, beloved by millions. I just didn't like it much.
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Aug. 7, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST
personally I try to say the Godfather is overrated
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
rather than say that it sucks. I do believe that it is truly overrated lol.
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I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say that a lot more people were excited about TDK because of the Joker's appearance. Then you have the set photos of Bane and the anticipation is dropping even more. And Catwoman looks like someone out of the Matrix. Horrible design, even more people are turned off. Looks like another Batman Begins, and that movie almost was a flop.
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Considering I loved what they did with Joker in the second film, Selina Kyle will be given plausible motivation and appearance.
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That bike is going to need a lot of power since this movie is apparently about Jumping the Shark...
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Is this the Matrix prequel? :P
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I was only suggesting that our enjoyment of a film determines whether we think it's good or not.
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Goddamn this site; frakkin quotation marks playing up AGAIN!!. Hanyoyo you wrote: I was only suggesting that our enjoyment of a film determines whether we think it's good or not. and in reply I wrote something like: I can't really agree with you there. I know that Casablanca is well written, well acted, well directed, well made and that Robert McKee does a terrific masterclass on it; still can't stand it.
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