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Quint has seen Rise of the Planet of the Apes!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. One of the many, many perks of being downunder for a few weeks is that Rise of the Planet of the Apes is already in release here. I saw it opening night at The Roxy, which is a new art deco inspired theater in Miramar, a stone’s throw from Weta Digital, actually. As such, I got to witness a ton of employees watching the movie.

They weren’t raucous, but when the end credits were rolling (spoiler, the movie ends!) there was no applause for the actors, director or producers, but when the Weta Digital credits rolled by there was much clapping and pointing around me. It was a neat cherry on the top of an overall pleasant viewing experience.



The real success of Rise of the Planet of the Apes is in Caesar’s story. If you’re not familiar at all with Ape lore, Caesar is the primate who first spoke and began the ape revolution. In the original series his origin is… inconsistent. The story of how he revolts changes from movie to movie until we actually see it in the fourth film, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes.

It’s quite different in this new prequel and, in many respects, better. Instead of a virus wiping out dogs and cats making apes the new domestic animals (and Caesar being born of time traveling apes from Escape from the Planet of the Apes) the filmmakers focus on the horrible real world moral dilemma of animal testing as the triggering factor.

Since the original series couldn’t keep the story straight, I found I didn’t have any difficulty accepting this new take on the origin of Caesar, especially since it was told so well.

Andy Serkis does what he does best, effortlessly transferring his real life acting talent to a digital representation. He’s a great character actor and I’d love to see him appear as his human form in more movies, but I gotta admit I’d be fine seeing him spend the rest of his career being the missing link between Ray Harryhausen and today’s digital creatures. He can breathe life into modern cinema’s creatures like no other.

The human story is important, but only as a plot-propeller. The meat and potatoes of this movie rests in Caesar’s story. He’s the one you empathize with, he’s the one with a real character arc and, because he doesn’t have the same ability to speak as his human counterparts, director Rupert Wyatt is forced to use pure cinema to tell his story. Caesar’s emotions are told through his eyes, his body language and his actions speak for him instead of words.

If they could have told the human story with that kind of creativity this would be a damn near perfect movie. James Franco is obsessed with find a cure to Alzheimer’s, a disease, which has hit close to home as his brilliant father (John Lithgow) deteriorates day by day. Testing his drug on primates produces Caesar and, ultimately, begins the revolution of the apes.



Lithgow and Franco are both solid in the movie, but almost every other character is either a two-dimensional caricature spouting nothing but exposition or a place holder. Brian Cox, playing the head of a primate sanctuary (which is unsurprisingly not so pleasant a place), is able to inject some nuance, humor and emotion into what could be a one-note baddie. His mean son, played by Harry Potter’s Tom Felton, doesn’t come off so well. Felton is good at being a dickhead, but he’s an archetype, not a character.

Poor Freida Pinto has the job of standing around looking beautifully concerned as vet/Franco’s girlfriend, but there’s still someone in the movie who gets the even shorter end of the stick: David Oyelowo. This guy… I want to give him the benefit of the doubt because the dialogue he’s forced to spit out as the big boss of the lab where Franco works is the worst kind of character-void exposition. “I am this way because of this and I like money and you can’t do this because of this. Did I mention I like money?” Sure, he’s a guy you’re looking forward to seeing get his comeuppance, but I was hoping for just a little bit of humanity in there… or a little more cruelty… something to give him an identity other than money-loving suit.

I will give a ton of credit to John Lithgow, who has always been one of my favorite screen presences, for bringing real pain and sadness to his portrayal of a man being devastated by Alzheimer’s. It could have easily been a comic performance or heavily melodramatic, but he hits the perfect notes even if he disappears for huge chunks of the movie.

If any of these people were the real focus of the movie then I wouldn’t have liked it much, but thankfully it is not their story. They are all there to support Caesar’s delicately told arc which takes him on a journey of love, betrayal, anger and discovery.



Weta’s work in here ranges from “best CG I’ve ever seen” to what appears to be some half-finished rough shots, especially in the baby and toddler Caesar effects. The nitpicker in me noticed some weightless swinging shots and some cloth effects that looked unrealistic, but as hard as I am on CG the real important quality is in the performance. That was Ray Harryhausen’s great secret. He brought a personality to each of his creatures that makes them timeless no matter how they were achieved.

It’s not just Caesar who is executed well here, but a whole range of apes all with their own unique personality. There’s the old Alpha Male who gives Caesar hell at first and is forced into subservience as Caesar finds his calling, the caged muscle (a tortured, pissed off gorilla which is very much a throwback to the roles of the different primates in the original series), an intelligent circus orangutan that can sign and connects with Caesar on a level the other apes can’t and a mean, half-blind scarred-up old veteran of the lab testing scene.

Every scene involving the apes is gold, most scenes involving the humans not so much, but what works works so well that misses fall by the side of the road.

Fans of the original will get a few nods, some careful and some eye-rolling (did we really need to have both “It’s a Madhouse! A Madhouse!” and “Get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape!” repeated for us?), but if you’ve never seen an Apes movie this one will play just fine.

So, an overall successful film, with some great character work brought to the Apes, some mostly brilliant effects to bring them to life and a really great finale that makes you root for the apes and the downfall of the bastard humans. In fact, this would make the best follow-up on a double bill with Project Nim ever. By the end of Project Nim you’re ready to eradicate human beings as a species in favor of the primates of the world. Rise of the Planet of the Apes works as escapism and good storytelling. It's a tentpole with something on its mind other than just fan service.



-Eric Vespe
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  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    I'm first

    by drompter

    Deal with it.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Hmmmm almost sold.

    by moorE12

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Good shit, Quint!


  • No real comment other than looking forward to seeing this.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Used to watch these all the time

    by tim

    on those damn dirty tapes.. bet the transition to Blu Ray will be nice

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Not a single one of those Potter kids can act

    by WWBD

    Least of all Felton.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    So do things get nuclear at the end?

    by Amity75

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    I only saw the first teaser from this,

    by Madcapper

    but based on the buzz (and the buzz of the coming buzz) this is something I'm interested in seeing. For me, it all depends on the story, and character development. If they've nailed it, as Quint suggests, I'm there. Strange summer this, not many of the BIG oh-la-la films seems interesting to me. Maybe it's the whole superhero thing going on that sticks in my throat..

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    I'm going to find it hard to not root for the apes...

    by Andrew Coleman

    I mean lets be real here. Humans fucking suck. So when the monkeys start murdering cops and tossing people off buildings I doubt I'll be horrified I think I'll be like "yeah kill those ass holes". Will see what happens when I see it.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    there was no applause for the actors, director or producers


    that ain't good. also, do they explain how the limited number of apes in north america ALONE could ever trigger a full takeover? at least conquests' 'an ape in every home and business' explained that. i guess i'm just supposed to suspend disbeliefe when tens of thousands of cg apes sill out of the lab like ants.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST


    by poop

    Do they honestly say “Get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape!” ? Please tell me they don't. PLEASE MAN.

  • ....but is that who this film is made for??? it sounds like you want to bite into this one a little more quint but you are holding back. you sound both disappointed and apologistic.

  • I don't see smart apes hates being able to do this.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Does any Ape say anything?

    by Drunken Busboy

    Does Ceasar say "No"?

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    the one thing that could explain the 'realistic' rise of the apes


    -besides nuclear war, or nuclear war combined with genetic testing, shown here- is if the effect of this drug/gas on humans was that it devolved them into more primal, apeish beings over time or generations. smartening apes and dumbing humans into a middleground hybrid. would also explain how these angry/dumbed down people would flip and blow us all to hell so fast. but nope. i don't think that's what happens...instead we are going to have to believe that a lab full of apes, and maybe the ones in the zoos that the smart apes can get to- somehow took over the world and defeated man and all his weapons.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    magick leprechaun

    by Anthony Torchia

    The Leprechaun in my pocket says Quint is exactly right, great apes and so-so humans, but a good ape film as a result. If it had been great humans and so-so apes, it woulda been a crappy ape film. Now he's saying if Joss Whedon screws up The Avengers, he going to eat his brain. I'm not sure what to hope for there ....

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    disappointed and apologistic


    that's definitely the mood of this review. like you ate a flavorless, slightly-off lunch but complimented that it was free and came in a pretty bag and came with a toy.

  • Yeah we got guns. Spears do shit agains guns. There has to be a virus, nuclear war or anything to allow sledgehammer tossin' gorillas to rule the land.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    local guy in AZ said it sucked!

    by eoneon

    looks like a rental to me,but still interested in seeing it. btw,nobody gives a flying fuck if you posted first! you delinquent douchecock

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Good news.

    by Playkins

    This has been one of the three movies this summer I've been looking forward to (along with X-Men:FC and Cap). Glad to hear I probably won't be disappointed.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Instead of King Kong We get

    by doom master

    a hundred little King Kongs, and theyre all intelligent enough to take over the planet. King Kong's legacy rings true after all... If you dont like monkey movies you have no sense of humor or heart.

  • but somehow i doubt it. it probably shows the apes marching en masse toward the military on a bridge out of the city before it cuts and leaves itself open for a sequel and time for the writers to figure it out. i love serkis, i respect WETA but you can't base the movie on them alone. this smells weak. serkis won't win anything for this- sorry- the vehicle is too flawed. maybe there is hope in the HOBBIT.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Good movie to watch After Watching

    by doom master

    Matthew Broderick and Helen Hunt in that 80s monkey-melodrama epic yarn, Project X - the movie that created GEN X!!! After watching that film it makes watching this film all the more satisfying.

  • People did root for Hannibal Lecter after all.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Forced to use pure cinema...

    by AspectRatio235

    for golden apes scenes. Sold.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Original "inconsistency" not inconsistent

    by MrD

    Just rewatched the films for a podcast review ( The "rise" of the ape world was never really addressed in the first two films except as vague references in the Sacred Scrolls. We don't get the details until Escape, but by that point the time travelling chimps alter the future, and what we see in Conquest and Battle result in an alternate timeline that both accelerates the events (presumably the apes brought the catdog virus with them?) and leads to a world in which apes and humans have a peaceful co-existence.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST

    2014 - Apes 2: Great Ceasar's Ghost

    by performingmonkey

    That's what you get when you cast a brother as the editor of the Daily Planet. :P Can't wait to see this as well as Fishbourne make the best ever Perry White!

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST


    by Max Castle

    Yeah, I'm with the previous poster...while there are big gaps in between how things end at the end of "Battle" and how they devolve by the time we Moebius-strip our way around back to the original "Planet", I'm not sure I fully understand what Quint means about "inconsistency" in Caesar's story. He's a product of two super-intelligent chimps brought to 1970s earth, he grows up to lead a rebellion with other slowly-becoming-sentient primates, with the end result being his becoming something of a benevolent dictator and humans and apes mostly living in peace. Not the most plausible story, but I don't see where there are glaring inconsistencies from Point A (for Ape) to Point C (for Chimp). ;^)

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST

    85% on RT, I'm there on Friday night..

    by ganymede3010

    This looks awesome actually.

  • The critics love it, and Joe Public loves a monkey movie :)

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 7:12 p.m. CST

    How many apes are housed in the sanctuary/lab?

    by jrb

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    A poor man's Monkey Shines

    by AllThosePowers

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    A hundred, maybe?

    by jrb

    Then add a dozen or so from the zoo. Okay, I can see them causing some havoc and killing a lot of people. How could they take over more than a city block? Even if they took guns off the dead cops they'd still be slaughtered in due time. There aren't enough apes left in the wild or in captivity to form an army able to take over a city like New York let alone the world. Not buying it. That being said, I have so much respect for Serkis' work that I might just see it.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Nice review, really looking forward to this

    by Mattman

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    yeah, this actually looks like one of the better films this summer


    I don't get much excited for superheroes anymore.

  • Because the book is very clear on exactly how all this happens. And has a better ending to boot.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 7:55 p.m. CST


    by Mattman

    While the book's ending works splendidly for a novel, I can see why they changed it. The "OMG it's earth" twist is perfect for a two hour film and nicely brings everything full circle without getting too confusing. The book's multiple twist endings were awesome, but I'm not sure how well they would work on film. Especially the very last twist.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST

    When will people learn?

    by I am not a number

    Trying to cure Alzheimers just results in super intelligent animals that will eventually kill us all. It happened with sharks (DEEP BLUE SEA) and it happens here with chimps.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    I get more and more psyched for this with each passing day

    by D.Vader

    Never thought I'd say that when this project was first announced.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    God are we still complaining about the numbers of apes?

    by D.Vader

    Move on, get over it, come up with something new to complain about, Oy...

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Root for the humans?

    by Ingeld

    Okay, humans have done some evil things throughout history, but it has truly done some amazing beautiful good things, and there are many, many genuinely good people. They just don't make the news. Self loathing human beings are the edge of a hip kind of cynicism that I can't stand.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    real world moral dilemma of animal testing

    by Geektard_Smasher

    Yeah, at least in LA we should really be using Mexicans for this.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Apes have a couple of advantages: Strength and Agility

    by MACenstine

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Funny i keep telling those fools on ign boards...

    by Norman Colson

    Fact remains in a real world situation the military would have hit the damn monkeys with a coordinated airstrike as soon as ceasar got all of them on the bridge... c'mon we got guns, missles, f-16's, tanks, apache's. You dont think some overzealous general wouldnt have pushed the button and blown up the damned bridge? It's happened in other movies... im sure it wouldve happened here... lol.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Yeah but ghost of chainsaw

    by D.Vader

    There's no need to blow up the bridge at that point in time with humans still on it. If a chimp bites you, you're not going to turn into another murderous chimp too- you're just going to die.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    @D.Vader true but hear me out...

    by Norman Colson

    The military in times of crisis would have blown everything up and killed innocent people. they call this acceptable loses... Sometimes they will do anything to contain the situation. im sure they would have gave the police time to evac the bridge before they hit it... but then again the monkeys are smart... they probably would have seen this tactic coming a mile away. lol. If i was a general i probably would have gave the order, weighing the possible outcome if caesar crossed the bridge. i would have stopped it soon as he got to the middle... humans on it or not...

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Damn thisis a Time Warp MOvie

    by doom master

    This crap took me back to 2001..When BUrton screwed us with his Planet of the Apes..... CReepy man.... Im like in a time warp stuck between 1991, 2001 and 2011...Jesus NOOOO!!

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST

    I hate it when they repeat lines from other movies.

    by Yelsaeb

    That's all I have to say.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 9:06 p.m. CST

    A 12 Monkeys Ending?

    by zinc_chameleon

    It's the only thing that makes sense, given that the core technology of the story is genetic tinkering. A nuclear ending would be 'deus ex machina' and not satisfying at all, at least for me. And, the truth be told, there probably is some kind of genetic monster that can target the 2% of us that is uniquely human, and bring us down; I'm just watching the science news to see what it is. A virus that caused lesions in the neodentate nucleus of the cerebellum would do it; that's a uniquely human brain structure.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Thank you Utorrent

    by pauduro

    Utorrent for me thanks

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST

    This thing is getting insanely good reviews

    by Terrence

    I may have to check this one.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Sounds like typical Hollywood environmental sermonizing

    by darthvedder81

    Yes we human beings are so terrible let's all commit suicide and let the sacred forest beings take over. Gag me. Mankind may be flawed but we've also produced Shakespeare, Jazz and representative democracy. Monkeys like to eat their own shit.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 9:49 p.m. CST

    how late in the movie do the monkeys go batshit?

    by fred

    I'll just sneak in and miss the boring stuff

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Remember when the US won the Vietnam War?

    by noiretblanc

    No? Nevermind. Guerrilla warfare is a monkey's uncle.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    The trailer tells the whole story?

    by Mephisto the Great

    My big turnoff was that the trailer pretty much tells the entire story, ruining much of the core plot. I hope there's more. I had the same problem with Captain America...and pretty much every film in recent memory. I miss the days when trailers actually teased, instead of flashing the money shot right off. Borrrrrring.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 9:59 p.m. CST

    ending spoiler!

    by fred

    turns out they were on Earth the whole time

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 10 p.m. CST


    by CreepyThinMan

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Seen this chimp with AK? There will be trouble.

    by kabong

  • ... It is also my understanding that the film doesn't have apes conquering humanity, but merely shows the turning point.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Good enough for me.

    by Nerd Rage

    Don't really care if the human element is weak...I wanted to see this for the apes anyway.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    I there Ape Rape?

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Does Caesar bend Franco over a table and punish him? Or maybe he bones Pinto? Perhaps he shares a tender love scene with John Lithgow, until he shreds the old man in a fit of wild ape rape.

  • the whole quotes reads "there was no applause for the actors, director or producers, but when the Weta Digital credits rolled by there was much clapping and pointing around me" And the first paragraph read "a stone’s throw from Weta Digital, actually. As such, I got to witness a ton of employees watching the movie". First of all, i've seen a lot of movies in my lifetime and i have only seen maybe 5 where there was applause at the end..10 tops. Second again he saw it at theater that is very close to Weta Digital attended by a lot of Weta Employees and i'm sure they have other fans nearby.. I bet they were on 10's when the movie ended just waitin for the Weta Digital name to show up and was mad hype when they doesnt mean the audience thought negatively towards the others folks involved with the movie.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Decent review

    by corplhicks

    Tentpole? Does everything on this site have to have gay overtones !? Original series was not inconsistent on origin. It wasnt addresses until 4 and 5 Otherwise pretty decent review

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Looks horrible. Hope it bombs.

    by starbuck2907

    I rarely actively root against a movie being successful, but this looks awful. They've been advertising it like crazy, and the more advertisements I see, the less I want to see this. I think this quote from the article sums it up for me: "Every scene involving the apes is gold, most scenes involving the humans not so much" ...If I wanna go see a great special effects movie, there are many films I would rather see than a bunch of fake monkeys. Also, from the review, those other films with great cgi, also probably have better "scenes involving humans". Looks like it sucks. The marketing repels me. I hope it bombs so instead of blowing $100 million on a shit movie like this they spend it on other films that deserve to be made.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 11:13 p.m. CST

    I'll be there!!

    by BlackBriar

    Andy Serkis looks terrifyingly awesome! It's going to be a KickAss good time..

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 11:17 p.m. CST


    by blackwood

    HOORAY! THEY MAYBE DID A GOOD JOB! I'm excited to see it. I fucking love August movies. They're sort-of blockbusters, but they can risk being interesting, too.

  • I'm betting they lose this battle, but the seed is planted. They're getting smarter. And if it's at all inline with the first film (sounds like it is)... WE nuke the planet and the apes take over after that.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    human extermination

    by Clio

    "By the end of Project Nim you’re ready to eradicate human beings as a species in favor of the primates of the world." You sick bastard. So you're ready to exterminate six billion humans because a few are jerks who mistreat chimps in experiments, then want to kill the chimps when things go bad. I don't know how the movie ends, or if it even points to the destruction of the human race at the hands of apes. Maybe the humans eradicate themselves with a biological agent that kills all human life on planet earth, but lets the chimps go right on living. Terrible science if that's the case.....we share 98 percent DNA with chimps. Their butts will be fried with ours. I'm taking a pass on this one.

  • And what a fucking movie. With quality Writing, Acting and Directing. Can you imagine what the Director's of the 70's could have done with the fucking technology of today? How easy it is to create virtually any time or era. How hard it was for Coppola to recreate New York of the 30's and 40's back then?!? With digital, we should be going into a new golden era of American cinema that should dwarf the accomplishments of the 70's. Instead all we get is the seventh variation of a movie about monkey's taking over the planet. I fucking weep for the future of cinema.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Having worn out my POTA vhs as a kid

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    I'm there for life when it comes to these movies! So glad it's getting good reviews!

  • The only films where you actively rooted for the apes to kick humanity's ass was Conquest of the Planet of the Apes because there you saw full on display humanity's mistreatment of the apes. But of course that film is really a statement on race relations than anything else. The original Planet of the Apes as well as Beneath the Planet of the Apes showed an ape run society that was totalitarian and ruled by fear as well as a society that kept humans as slaves. Really, the apes were just as bad as the humans who kicked off the nuclear war to begin with. Heston's Taylor figures this out early on and that's why he berates Dr. Zaius throughout the original film. Zaius is nothing but a corrupt, disgusting politico who is doing nothing but holding on to the power that he took in the first place. Let's face it--the ape society depicted in the first two films is a fucking backward, medieval shithole on par with anything you would see in the third world and one that is stifling progress both socially, economically and scientifically. The real inherent problem with the new apes film is this--as disgusting as humanity can be with things like racism, terrorism, or experimenting on animals, humanity deserves a better depiction than being nothing more than savage and disgusting caretakers of the planet. The final film in the original Apes' series, Battle for the Planet of the Apes showed a post-nuclear society where humans and apes struggled to overcome their own savagery to build a better world than one before it. All the films depict logic and rationale and mutual trust in both human and ape characters winning out over strong arm tactics or violent revolution. It's really weird what I see in this new film--a cynical comeuppance for the human race in the form of an ape led revolution, yet no real proof that the apes will be able to overcome the very failings of their human foes.

  • (1.) The camera is at times doing spatially and physically impossible things. That's usually a really bad idea, especially when you're trying to sell something synthetic as being real. (2.) The cg character's are too sharp. they're not allowing enough of the image to go soft focus. This is something that Avatar's Na'vi and POTC's Davy Jones really got right. (3.) the lighting isn't contrasty enough. More of the cg elements need to fall into shadow otherwise it sometimes has the look of being lit perfectly by a computer renderer rather than true lighting sources. (4.) Way to many cg elements flying directly into the camera lens. Once again, if it wouldn't and couln't be shot that way in reality then definately don't do it when you trying to place realistic cg characters into a convincing approximation of out known world. It just takes me out of the reality of the moment that they're trying to achieve. (5.) James Franco. I realize this isn't exactly an aesthetics qualm, but placing anything into a film that visually cues my disbelief is an aethetic failure. I once believed in his promise, but now have absolutely no use for him at all. He seems to sleepwalk through all of his roles and I for no one have no use for it. I need a leading man with some conviction and a bit of soul behind his eyes. Franco, much like Megan Fox, is like the live-action uncanny valley. The only time he seems to come alive is when he's being annoying. He's began to make me appreciate Sam Worthington more by comparision. So a lot of these promlems fall square in the lap of director Rupert Wyatt, whom should have used better aesthetic discretion in creating a more realistic world for this story to play in. Hopefully the movie on a whole can withstand those inconsistancies and still be engaging and enjoyable.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    James Franco.

    by starbuck2907

    He seems like a nice guy, but as an actor, he always comes off like a pot-head trying to act sober or serious. It just doesn't work for me. But I do like him in the occasional role. ...I just have trouble buying him as a serious actor. He gets it "right" sometimes, but most of the time, I just have trouble taking him seriously. And as I said before, I think this looks awful. The acting is apparently bad. The cgi is good, but I don't care about seeing a bunch of cgi apes. cgi apes + bad acting = no go for me. There are much better cgi summer blockbuster type of films out that I would rather go see. Even if the acting sucks in them too, at least the action doesn't revolve around angry monkeys. I'm not a huge transformer or captain america fan, but giant robots and superheroes seem a hell of a lot better way to spend cgi money than angry monkeys.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Nice complement for Andy Serkis...

    by Carl

    As "the missing link between Ray Harryhausen and today’s digital creatures".

  • sorry to see that concept gone...

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:10 a.m. CST

    @kanekofan RE: satire

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I'm not saying the original films weren't satirical but they were made primarily as entertainment just as this latest entry in the franchise. However since we're here let's take a moment and discuss this. What makes satire? Most people would say things like humor, irony, sarcasm, exaggeration, ridicule, outrage etc. Sure, a lot these things can be found in satire in some combination but aren't unique to the genre. What makes it satire is that it's almost always directed at some sort of oppression and has a subversive aspect to it regardless of tone. So on a very basic level the whole series can be read as a metaphor for man's inhumanity to man and the films accomplished this by using a lot of the methods I listed a couple of sentences ago. For example: Despite his distaste for humanity and bristling at being treated like an animal he has to defend a species he more or less has left behind. That's some outrage and irony right there. Now who's it directed at? Well... everyone. That's pretty sloppy for satire but it works. Hey now, wait a minute... This all sounds suspiciously like stuff that's very clearly communicated in the trailer for the new flick. And yet you say it isn't satire? I haven't seen it yet but it seems me that it isn't shying away from all the classic Apes requisites. I'll see it regardless because I need the taste of Burton's abomination wiped out of my mouth and almost anything will suffice in that department, but really I want to see it because it looks good and PotA is probably my favorite sci-fi film series of all time.

  • A lot of reviews are saying the same thing.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:24 a.m. CST

    I saw it today--

    by Kraken

    (possible spoilers if you read between the lines) Yes, they present a VERY realistic senario of how the altered Apes will eventually dominate man. As far as Cesar speaking-- I'll just say, apes lore purists will be very pleased.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:31 a.m. CST

    so let me get this straight,

    by skelly

    The bad guy is that horrible Hollywood villian, the successful businessman. This is reminding me of the atrocious Jurassic Park: The Lost World where we were expected to root for the baby T-Rex to eat the mean ole businessman for exploiting the dinosaurs for profit while the films filthy rich producers made a two hr product placement film for Nikkon and Mercedes-Benz. Count me out.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Agreed kraken

    by Bartleby T. Scrivener

    By the way, WETA is on a different level than everyone else. I got Golem-esque vibes.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Well I'll be a monkey's uncle!

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    I hope that line is in the film.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 1:02 a.m. CST

    I'm human, so...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    I'm all for these apes getting smacked back down and sold to a circus. Or a taxidermist. Probably won't happen in this film, though, 'cause "people are bad." :P

  • ....

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Genderblender... should we disregard the 86% fresh on RT too?

    by Happyfat73

    Or have they all been bribed by WETA. BTW... judging a films VFX based on online clips is stupid.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Go back to Africa, spear chunkers!!!!!

    by Mel

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 1:29 a.m. CST

    did it make genderblender cry?

    by fred

    we must know

  • Do you guys understand that he doesn't have a fucking monkey face? His face has to work the way a monkey's face does. Every single expression he gives has to be tweeked by animators. They're as responsible for the performance as Serkis is. Also, that goes for everything he does in the movie. Motion capture is nothing more than a way for animators to quickly get in rough performances they can perfect.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Spoiler Free quick review...

    by quantize

    The performances are all excellent and precisely what a film like this requires...we don't need Meryl-fucking-Streep…Franco is in good form, Lithgow is perfect and Serkis is absolutely blindingly good in the ape roles. What the fuck Quint is moaning about, i dont know..saying the performances are 'solid' is really fucking ignorant of how important those roles are in making the whole thing work. They work beautifully, so they are IN fact as as the elements. The CGI in the first 1/3 goes from stunning (opening scenes) to quite undercooked (did they run out of time or WHAT?) so be prepared to be a bit distracted and disappointed by that, but boy oh boy do they make up for it later. ..The execution and emoting in the effects is fucking superb later on, and the action is pulled off expertly ..not to mention nods to the original which are perfectly placed. The plot, whilst hardly being earth shockingly original and beholden to quite a few tropes, fits the overall arc of planet of the apes like a glove. This feels like the perfect prequel that could be made at this time, bar the shitty early effects. Serkis is however the standout…this for me was infinitely better than any of the recent superhero films (ok that aint hard) but its a solid sci-fi film that holds its own against even the original..which next to Carpenter's The Thing, is one of my favourite sci-fi films ever….

  • And again, it's probably worth stressing, the CGI in this that IS great, is FUCKING STUNNING. The silverback gorilla and orangutan are especially incredible and extremely lifelike.. its probably fair to say the CGI is a bit uneven throughout but no sane person could say they dont end up utterly entertained by this and Franco does a fine job in the role he has.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 1:43 a.m. CST


    by Happyfat73

    ... more likely you'd slap him in the mouth with your flaccid excuse for a dick and make him tongue-wash your goatse'd bunghole.

  • Its a two way street...otherwise they could have used ANYONE and you can see from other films how that dont work so well.

  • Thanks a lot Franco!

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Quint has seen the rise in an ape

    by AsimovLives

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Serkins should have had a Oscar nom for King Kong

    by chien_sale

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Just stop the idiotic Oscar talk for CG characters

    by Mel

    It's absurd. You don't know what they really did and what the animators did. If this became a category all it would mean is that every fucking movie would have a god damn Jar Jar Binks in it from now on with studios trying to win awards. You fuckers (people who want Oscars for CG characters) want to ruin film forever. You're already doing a pretty good job by seeing piles of shit like Green Lantern. Keep it up.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 4:16 a.m. CST

    There is about 10,000 apes in the world. There's 6 billion of us.

    by AsimovLives

    Not even Alexander The Great in the ancient world could work with such odds. Where things were even. Much less apes on a pre-historical human level against high-tech humans. The move better come up with a reasonable explanation for why th apes could rule the world other then "they are pissed off and they made a mob". Well, there's always Freida Pinto, right?

  • And for the last time, apes and monkeys are not the same thing.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 4:18 a.m. CST

    fucking shit... it's 100,000 apes, dammit.

    by AsimovLives

  • Remember that for Taylor in the first PLANET OF THE APES movie, the realisation that the ape world was in fact Earth came as a soul destroying crushing shock. He even fell to his knees! It means he never heard of any ape uprising happening on Earth when he took off. Becasue had he heard of one, then he could had at least suspected the world he crashed into could be Earth much early on. So, i have to conclude that in this movie, humans already are able to do deep space exploration and Taylor's mission is already well underway.

  • Apes Fucking: The Movie.

  • And i ask you this: who of any of you would volunteer for phase I experiment involving medical drugs? No one? I though so too. Everytime you guys got sick with something and were cured is the result of some drug that was tested in some animal first, from phase I to III. Each of you who have recuperated from some sickness have done so from the death of many animals who died during experimentation. With the exception of the drugs that were resulted from the nazi experiments during WWII, all the medicinal drugs we have are from animal experimentation. We better accept that as a fact of life. It's not pleasant. Nor is an abatour. But food and health are primordial needs for us all. We can't fight off the deseases and miseries of the world just with teas and prayers. The important destinction we shoud make, and in this i'm very adamant to make a distiction between animal experimentation and mindless misguided torture. The good thing is that, unlike what most animal rights fanatics and Holywood movies want to make us believe, the vast majority of scientists in the western world are actually very careful and humane in their treatment of the poor lab animals. And that's because it's the very fact this are peope with a deep sense of humane feelings that go to this type of reaserch in the first place. This are people who literally want to help mankind. At least on the lab level. On the board of directors level, however...

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Apes take over by starting their own political party

    by Cosmik

    They get themselves elected to congress and this time the debt limit doesn't get raised and the country defaults.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 5:09 a.m. CST


    by my liege

    Applauding after a movie is ridiculous. It's not like the cast and crew are there. That's why they only applauded for WETA because THEY WERE THERE. Applauding after a movie is like applauding after you listen to a song on a CD.

  • Otherwise you'd be aware there's another important plot point that makes this issue not so important. I'm not as big an asshole as assholelives, so i wont spoil it. suffice to say he is an ignorant fuck whose dumbass jokes are based on shit he aint seen...otherwise he'd realise theres no joke material there

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Original production art was savage.

    by UltraTron

    Had apes ripping people limb from limb. Wonder how much of that makes it.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 5:53 a.m. CST

    my liege:

    by UltraTron

    Ok. So applauding after a movie is like applauding after a cd. So when I uncontrollably dance when I hear a badass song or get excited about something and clap or whatnot it's stupid because the original artist isn't there. Got it. Well that's one more thing to check off my how to become a passionless douchebag list

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 5:55 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    And your posts are classics of a stalker fuckass troll.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 6 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "So when I uncontrollably dance when I hear a badass song or get excited about something and clap or whatnot it's stupid" One coudl ake an argument for that. I mean, do you live your life as if it's a scene from FOOTLOSE? And yes, dancing alone with ear-plugs to a music that only you can ear does make people look very, very stupid. That's why that's such things to left to be done alone in the privacy of home. But better know if nobody is watching you from the window or you will known as "the idiotic neighbour who dances alone". Uncontrollably dance when I hear a badass song!! Since when FOOTLOSE is an inspiration on how to live life?

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Just saw it!

    by bohdi71

    I agree with quint about the quality of the apes but I think he's being a tad harsh. I got caught up in the story and the characters and loved it....

  • pompous fuckhead.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 6:34 a.m. CST


    by my liege

    " So when I uncontrollably dance" Do you have a mental illness?

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Eberts review gives away the end in 1st sentence

    by professorjack

    just a warning. No setup, no spoiler warnings, just "heres what happens at the very end of the movie now lets start the review". what an asshole. And he cant use the"prequel defense" because even so you don't know exactly where its going to leave off

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Is this movie about AIDS???

    by Vin

    Figured with all the "rising" and apes....

  • Think about it. Planet of the Apes is set thousands of years after for some reason humans are mute animals, and apes rule the planet. So as to how it happened, well that can get easily lost over generations. This was the original Terminator as far as time travel. Kyle goes back to save Sarah, and unborn John only to become John's father. In Escape Cornelius, Zera, and their red shirted friend Milo come back to escape the exploding Earth, and gorillas, only to have their son become the leader of the rebellion.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Does Caesar bust Grape Ape out of jail?

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Just wondering.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 7:19 a.m. CST

    No one claps....

    by ZodNotGod

    No one claps at the end of a movie, what are you people, 5? They clap during the movie when the cool stuff or funny stuff goes down, not after like some retard who wants it shown again. Who claps at the mentioning of an FX house? I thought I was geeky with my movies, but that kind of mindlessness takes the freakin cake.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST

    But I am tired of people trying to say this is a POTA remake sequel.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Burton's POTA had its own origin, so this is something completely different. But, right now I'm jonesing to watch the original POTA series from beginning to end. Funny how as a kid I loved Beneath. Now as far as the movies go I'd put that at the bottom of my list, even below Battle for the Planet of the Apes. You can't go wrong with John Huston.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Still looks like CGI monkeys to me.

    by Ditko

    Good CGI, but get my point.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST

    quantize, don't thank me, assclown, it was an insult.

    by AsimovLives

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST

    That grumpy chimp looks like my father-in-law ...

    by unclemonty666

    ... he's always got a face like a slapped arse.

  • PLANET OF THE APES is the 1968 movie and that's it.

  • It's just that it's pretty puzzling to me how they will pull off the fact that the apes will become the dominant speaces on Earth when it all started with a bunch of lab chimps. They better pull some smart thing that doesn't scream "could it ever" and takes one completly out of the movie.

  • I also now totally can buy that as a character Caesar has a great arc. Hell, I think Caesar has a great arc in CONQUEST, so why wouldn't he have an even better one here? It's a great character fundamentally. Spartacus plus Old Yeller. I don't find it difficult to believe that they built a successful film around that character.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Just stop it with this takeover crap, really !

    by corplhicks

    is absurd-- first off, there's the numbers-- like 1,000,000 to 1 or something in terms of humans to apes?? I mean there's maybe 20,000 non-human primates left of the gorilla, chimp, orangutan, maybe something like that. And NONE of them have existed side by side with human technology used our weapons, etc.. NONE- they either live in a zoo or something fancy that is zoo-like but uses a fancier word, OR they live in the wild; either way they do not know how to shoot a gun, stab, drive a car, etc....or have any technology to any degree. Them taking over the earth has a ZERO chance of happening. ZERO. Therefore, how does this movie get around that? Well, it has no in a way that none of us have seen or heard of yet; a spoiler perhaps ? An old story made years ago which was non-canon said that the condition that made apes smart made humans lose intelligence and over many many generations the curves crossed, humans lost the ability to even function in their own world and eventually became savage and primitive; during this entire period, apes were growing, becoming more sophisticated and eventually subjugated humans. There's 6 BILLION humans on earth with MASSIVE sophisticated weaponry and a gorilla jumping onto a helicopter or scaring a horse on a bridge isn't gonna do it. It has to be something epic and global and I can only hope that on Friday when I see this film, this MAJOR plot hole is filled in nicely and carefully and makes this film and its implied legacy a possibility. The best we can hope for in this movie if it will imply more in the future is that they make it to some sanctuary and are left alone there and are intelligent. That's it. Otherwise, that small band of primates would be surrounded by 5000 US troops and wiped out in 2 days. Anything else will be absurd.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    They could have just used a real monkey for the baby shots..morons.

    by alienindisguise

    Because that shit looks crazy fake when it shouldn't.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST

    So Quint, I didn't glean your final verdict on the movie.

    by Orbots Commander

    Good? No good? Is it Redbox rental material, good for $1, or is it worth gas + $10 + concessions to go see this?

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Maybe Possible Spoiler from somebody who's yet to watch the movie:

    by AsimovLives

    From what i heard, the movie ends before the begining of the take over. Caesar get a bunch of followers, and they march on. The end. The movie doesn't even give us the first real battle of the spieces. Basically, this movie is like Che Guevara: The Earlier Years, set before he even set foot in Cuba. It's Caesar's The Motorcycle Diaries.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Agreed asimovlives, and by the way POTA would not have been made

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    without Heston. He lobbied for it. They were not sure if it would work. So, they put together a five or ten minute test scene with ape makeup. They were worried people would laugh. They didn't. The rest is history. Edward G. Robinson was Dr. Zaius in the test scene. I think he did it as a favor for his buddy Chuck, but refused to do it again because of the heavy toll. He had health problems. As a matter of fact within two weeks of filming Soylent Green the great one passed away. Talk about your ironies.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 8:41 a.m. CST

    I agree with most. My concern is how do they address a takeover.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    They explained it well in Conquest and Battle. Man screwed that up when they panicked and used nukes. Besides, at that point everyone had an ape just like everyone today has a dog or cat.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Exactly. This film makes zero sense.

    by caprica

    You can understand the original and buy into it--stupid humanity destroyed itself through nuclear war and Apes took over. Here we are supposed to forget that one guy with a gatling gun could wipe out every fucking ape on that bridge

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Today Ape City, Tomorrow Ape World

    by AsimovLives

    If the idea is that the apes tip-toes and did baby steps until they reached world domination, it's not a bad idea. The problem is a question of plausability. And as the book Dune says, the begining is a delicate time. How will the apes start? Will they take over a city and comand it? Use a city as their fortress and resist the atemps of the humans to them bring down with urban guerrilla warfare? And how will be able to prevent humans form just carpet bombing the place, or even using a nuke the kill them all? Will apes use thousand of human prisioners as human shields? Some people have said "just nuke them, that fixes it". Well, i don't know if in today's world that would be acceptable. not so much because of who are bombed, but becaue it's the deflagration of a nuclear weapon, with all the shit that would be associated with it. Speially in this enviromental concious times. Radiation, fall-out, enviroment poisoning, a whole bitch of problems which brings as much problems as it could solve. I wonder if the writers and filmmakers who made this movie seated aroudn a table and actualyl discussed all this implications of the story they were writing and actually took this as important elements to their story.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST

    I still really want to see this, but I don't want an Annie Wilkes cheat.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Without reading a spoiler review I'm curious as to how they do it.

  • because ultimately it's an animal control problem. Seriously - if you heard on the news that a bunch of chimps had escaped from a lab and were running amok on the Golden Gate Bridge, is your first thought, "Gee, I hope the air force blows that bridge up to get those loose chimps"? In the context of a MOVIE called "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" maybe you think that, but IRL if you heard it on the news it would be a slightly-cooler version of a story where a cattle truck crashes on the highway and there are a bunch of loose steers running around. You'd think, "Wow, I wonder if there's video? I hope the animal cops don't have to hurt those poor chimps." I doubt you'd think, "We need an air strike!" And all of this speculation about HOW they handle the question of a takeover could always be addressed by...going to see the film.

  • It's as if Holywood is trying to tell us that trying to find a cure for Alzeimer through science is bad. i find it disturbing the constant attitude from Hoylwood movies that science will be the cause of all evils and cause the end of mankind or the creation of some unstopable monster. And so often the evil thing that wipe us out, or at least kills a good bunch of us is because some scientist was triyng to find the cure for a terrible presently uncurable desease like alzeimer or cancer. It's as if Holywood is saying "even if the scientists are doing for a good cause, because it's science it will fuck us all in the ass". I'm pretty fed up with this bullshit attitude that Holywood has toward science and scientists. I'm hoping soembody makes a moviewhere the apes will conquer the world and turn mankind into beasts because some evangelist mannaged to preach christianity to the apes and mannaged to effectively evangelized them. And from their convertion, the apes figure out that it was not man but ape that gods made in his image and start killing out all humans because they are a pestilence abominable to god's eyes. I'df like to know what the bibleheads would like that! they wouldn't find it so funny, would they? Holywood always kissing ass of the religious right and always putting the responsability of the end of the world on science. Fuck's sakes!

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Sounds great but I hope

    by bobbofatz

    Novas great great great great great great hot 21 year old grandmother is in this as I have been told.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST


    by v3d

    Agreed about the ending. However I think in the hands of the right people it could have worked if they stuck to plotline of the book. I'm still curious about this version.

  • ...There are many possible explanations, and from what I've read, there IS an explanation. a virus could wipe out most of the human population, who knows. I imagine at the end of the film most of the escaped apes will be killed, and Caesar and a few others recaptured. Perhaps over time these intelligent apes are bred for slave labor, increasing their numbers, one in every home, similar to the original film's origin story, and a much older Caesar leads an uprising against the humans, who's population has been decimated for one reason or another. Stop complaining about a handful of apes taking over the world, this obviously won't happen in this film.

  • Right on fluffyunbound, I always think it's silly when people declare a film's plot dumb before haivng seen the film. Of course a films plot would seem dumb when only seen condensed into a two minute trailer. Whatever about saying "Meh, I don't think this will be good," that's fine, but going into a detailed critique and ripping into a film for being stupid and making no sense when you haven't seen the damn thing is just hilariously stupid

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST

    serkis - so overrated

    by abe

    Unbelievable hack. He was the WORST thing in LoTR

  • dickhead

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    "Caesar get a bunch of followers, and they march on. The end."

    by FreeBeer

    Nope, sorry Asi man, I've been spoiled already by a few people that have seen it, not how it ends. I won't spoil it for you, but saying the movie is set before the global uprising is not the same as saying Caesar gets a bunch of followers and it just ends. It doe's have a proper resolution, it's not one of those sequel baiting endings, rest assured

  • I don't know about you guys, but i'm starting to get fed up with "the virus that fucks up mankind" plot device. Besides, it's as if the virus is the only micro-organism that Holywood ever heard of. There's bacteria that are terribly dangerous and very leathal, and can survive pratically almost anything and live in enviroments where no other life can. Virus are not the only dangerous micro-organisms. Fuck, the things that Holywood make virus do in their movies is just absurd.

  • get a clue...feed brain, THEN have dickheaded opinion

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST


    by quantize

    i really love hating you. You could try and be smart and ignore me, but you know..i got your love to be special. your so-very-important opinions about film makers and the fARTISTES that you approve of, not to mention your special topic...JJ Abrams, who you desperately want to grease the asshole of, otherwise no genuinely sane person would make fuckhead retarded little girl jokes, names and talk endlessly how Star Trek SHOULD BE. And then you started applauding Lars Von Trier, and in that very moment, i knew..for all that watching Picard in your parents dungeon, you are deep down an artist yourself. The kind that paints with their shit on the walls and wants everyone to weep at how insightful they are. You are intellectual death to enjoyment.

  • I;ve said it before ill say it again, you are the very definition of a cunt.

  • for a lonngggggggg time

  • Why dont you go post it on your facebook status, do you really need to be a AICN KING with training wheels...i mean, YOUR SO FUCKING CLEVER.. SURELY SOMEONE wants you GENIUS ideas for their are SO CLEVER, so insightful, you dissect those cliches and tropes, you can make intelligent CLEVER (read fucking boring) sci-fi films... And yet you sit on your ass sharing that genius here! oh baby jesus wept...thankyou thankyou for shitting on this film you havent seen yet at length in this thread.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST

    ps i'll be back tomorrow to keep roasting you slowly

    by quantize

    hickory style asshole, so please, keep smearing the walls, you have to eat it all up again anyway JJ says sleep tight

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST

    asimovlives, you're off on the virus thing.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Omega Man and The Stand just to name two of the big ones. Andromeda Strain also although in that one it came close to happening, but didn't at the last second.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    quantize, to quote Jesus Christ, "why don't you go fuck yourself?".

    by AsimovLives

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I want to see a movie with Andy Serkis and Doug Jones as the two leads

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    We can have the act off of the century. CGI vs. Makeup for the ultimate showdown.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST

    grammaton cleric binks

    by AsimovLives

    Yeah, but those movies were made some decades ago, weren't they? My point is that by now it's been pretty over-used ot the point of banality.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST

    This looks cool.

    by HughHoyland

    I'll check this out. But Im interested in the nuclear aspect as well. Is it part of the story at all?

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Absolutely. Even computer takeover has been done to death

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Although I wouldn't be opposed to a remake of Colossus: The Forbin Project.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Applause after Terminator 2, Jurassic Park

    by Turingtestee

    There Will Be Blood, Avatar, Lethal Weapon, Die Hard, District 9, The Empire Strikes Back, The Return of the Jedi, The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King, Toy Story, Toy Story 3, Aliens, Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Last Crusade, Transformers (ugh), The Matrix, E.T. . . . those are ones off the top of my head.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Why no nomination for Serkis? Notice the Weta staff didn't applaud his name?

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    But they applauded their own names...

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Been sold since the start...

    by Darth Macchio

    Kittch-cheese or not, I've got a soft-spot for all the originals, weirdness n all. And I love this type of story - sold from the beginning. Too bad Roddy couldn't have lived to see the greatness of his character creation 'evolved' to it's current form. And isn't there some Oscar bullshit about motion-capture performances not considered the same as live-camera performance and thus it's supposedly not possible for someone like Serkis to get a nod for these mo-cap roles? I seem to recall some word on that with his performance of Gollum (which is fantastic throughout the series)...

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    SPOILER ALERT! I saw this last night

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    at the end the monkey wakes up next to Suzanne Plaschette

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    So basically the movie's crap apart from the SFX...who'da thunk it?

    by Arkhaminmate001

    At lease he was honest enough not to 'big' it up ridiculously like a certain ginger critter.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST



    It's getting a lot of great reviews

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Here's how the apes take over

    by spire_walk

    They fight the local cops to a standstill and negotiate a truce. From then on they live in ape ghettos sceaming for equal rights, commit terrorist acts, and screaming racism whenever the human gov gets too heavy handed in retaliation. Mean while reproducing at a higher birthrate. Meanwhile stockpiling arms and munitions provided by unfriendly international orgs. Look at Palestine; look at Europe where the native populations are being outbred and out-politicked by muslim immigrants. Throw in declining birthrates in the US and cheap ape labor. Violence escalates, eventually revolutions, and finally desperate nuclear exchanges. Voila!

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    This will flop.

    by Hesiod2k7

    Even if it's a semi-good movie, which is doubtful, the permise as boring as fuck, and shopworn, and cliche'd and nobody gives a shit about the Planet of the Apes. The only way they could possibly make this interesting is by doing a really good CGI version of Pierre Boule's novellette. Instead, we get this rehashed POTA mythology that was fucking stupid when they did it in the 70's,

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    How can anyone be excited about this piece of shit?

    by Hesiod2k7

    Seriously? When I saw that this movie was coming out I audibly GROANED. As did a lot of the people who saw this trailer during Deathly Hallows pt 2. I even think I heard some boos. It has nothing to do with James Franco -- even though he is already distancing himself from the film. Nobody gives a shit. They can tell you the plot of the fucking movie without even seeing it.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    I can tell you the plot of EVERY movie without seeing it.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Unless it's MEMENTO or something. I groaned all the way through the initial marketing for this, too, but they may actually have done the impossible and made this good enough for me to actually bother to see it.

  • Don't see it then and shut up. No one cares.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST


    by Hesiod2k7

    ...I can tell the plot of a lot of movies too. BUT -- I have no problem with seeing movies that have way cool, and interesting plots that I may have figured out -- and ones that are fucking pathetic-assed shopworn cliched pieces of shit. For example -- the new Freaky-Friday esque movie that's coming out with Jason Bateman and Ryan Reynolds. I pretty much know how that movie's going to turn out. And, the whole plot is a fucking cliche that's been rehashed in many, many movies. But, the actors are interesting, and the take on it might be a little it's at least intriguing, even though, intellectually, you know it should be a piece of shit. But, at least in that case, it's not asking yu to take the film seriously. It's a dumb comedy, so you have a lower tolerance for that sort of thing. But, this uninspiring piece of shit POTA reboot is stupid. People give Tim Burtaon shit for his version, but at least he had imagination and creativity and tried to reproduce -- and be inspired by -- what was interesting and cool from the first movie -- not rehash the stupidest fucking parts of the mythology.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I applauded after watching...

    by fred

    The Da Vinci Load 2: Angels and Semen What does that prove?


  • The original, with its super ambitious ideas, primitive world full of possibilities, a mindblowing twist ending, the brilliant Jerry Goldsmith score, and even with some Charleton Heston overacting and by today's standards, dodgy ape makeup, can't and won't ever be topped. Burton's remake was sort of interesting, but fell apart towards the end. The sequels to the original were not all bad, but never came close to instilling that sense of awe and timelessness of the Earth and of how minuscule our individual lives really are. So, with my unabashed love of the original POTA out of the way... I think a better premise for this Rise of the Planet of the Apes should have been something like this: Instead of uplifting the apes by way of a cure for Alzheimer's, what if the military were experimenting with making apes smarter so as to be used as soldiers or even to pilot some simple vehicles into a war zone? Before you say that is silly, know that in World War II, bears were used to carry ammo and other supplies for troops in battle. This would sort of be a big extrapolation of the concept for the modern day military. Something like that, apes being trained to actually understand the human world a bit better, to fight in wars, and given the knowledge to use modern weapons and technology would give them a huge advantage once they finally decided to go ape shit and revolt. This could be done with a combination of brain implants and some genetic engineering. Hell, if the film were to take place over a longer period of time, maybe eventually the military would make some sort of hybrid human-ape beings, which would lean towards looking more like the ones in the original Ape films. Also, if a program like that were successful, it implies that the military would breed a lot of apes to grow the size of their ape-infused army, especially if there were some major fictional conflict occurring within the frame of the film. It just seems to me, that this would make for a much cooler and more daring film, as well as one that leads into the whole primitive future that the POTA franchise started with in the first place, in a more believable way than how this current prequel version seems to do so. It could raise some relevant debate about how we fight so many little wars or proxy wars as a nation, especially during a time when there is the looming question of being able to fund all of these military expeditions anymore. From a purely business stand point, the concept of apes being turned into soldiers has the potential to give audiences a much bigger and better spectacle experience for this type of film, and one that would probably have potential to nab a larger haul of cash from the box office. And don't even get me started on the potential this military-apes concept would have for actual flesh and blood actors to be made up in the best practical make up effects available today (much better than what they had back in 1968 on the original film). I'd much rather see that process used than motion capture, which while sometimes brilliant is also often hit or miss. It sounds like the consensus on this one is that the digital/mo-cap ape effects are not very consistent in terms of quality.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    did the original ending shock at the time?

    by fred

    They say in the beginning that they are headed back to Earth and that time is screwed up because of relativity. Seems obvious that they were on Earth the whole time, but maybe that's just because I knew it already.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    That's what he gets for not hailing to the chimp.

    by Bubba Gillman

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Hesiod, every frame of the Burton version is atrocious.

    by FluffyUnbound

    The funny thing is that you think he focused on the great parts of the legacy, and I think the reverse. I think THIS movie focuses on the best parts of the legacy. But I guess everybody is going to like something different about the originals. I always thought CONQUEST was the second-best of the originals, so naturally a movie that takes its own crack at that theme will appeal to me. In the Boulle novel, I really loved the flashback diary entries describing the degeneration of the human society that had been displaced. Jack, I think you're misremembering the original. They were never supposed to get back to Earth. That was Taylor's entire reason for being on the mission - he talks about how much he hated mankind, and how to wanted to leave man behind. (One of the clever jokes of the original always was that a misanthrope gets what he wants - and discovers he didn't want it. "Somewhere out there, there has to be something better than man." Be careful what you wish for, dude.) Also, the corpse in the spacecraft when they first land was the female member of the crew who was supposed to populate the new planet they were going to explore. It's supposed to be a huge surprise to both Taylor and the audience that they managed to loop around in the warp and get back to Earth.

  • What blows my mind is that excelent movie was by the same guy who also directed the excelent original THE TAKING OF PELLAN 123... and JAWS: THE REVENGE!! Wow!

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    no one in hollywood has ever read the book...have they?

    by john

    a satirical look at the human condition...partially touched on in the original movie...destroyed by the sci fi/ end of the world disaster message at the end of the movie...killed in every sequel (except maybe escape) does anyone know why this movie was even made? did we really need a prequel?

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Again i have to say, i'm dead tuired of the old Holywood bulslhit of always blaming sicence for the fall of mankind. and your idea for a human apocalypse brough by genetic manipulated and upgrated apes falls into that tired stuff i'm by now beyond fed up. Here's another alternative: whay if the apes have became more intelligent simply because of evolution. It's now known that sometimes it occur in spieces something that could be called evolutive jumps. Something that would take thousands of years happen in just a few generations. One possible trigger is an uergent need to adapt to a very fast changing world. And today we live in a very fast changing world. Imagine, if you will, that at some part of deep Africa, a group of apes had had an extreme evolutionary jump. This apes became self-aware of their increased intelligence, and they became aware that they could learn a lot from humans. They quickly develop a culture with a sophiticated form of comunication that could match human, with such subtle characteristics that for a human it would still look like normal ape behavior. This apes have been spying on human settlements. They had been going stelthly spying on humans, and learned their ways. They start creating cells in many towns and cities and mannage to escape human notice. Tehy became mor an more curoius and mroe and mro daring in spying the humans and elarning their ways. And then one more evolved, smarter, more ambitious and more curious ape decide to go beyond the human settlements that are near the apes' living grounds and decide to go futher. And because of that he gets captured and shipped to USA. And in USA be becames more and more aware of the bigger things from the humans,a dn quicklearns their stuff, including their language and how to do things. Meanwhile, part of his group, who understood that he had been caughtand shipped abroad, they go on a epic jorney traveling from Africa to USA, hidding in ships and trains, and find him and they start creating their own group of USA smart apes who learn a lot and they create the seeds to their eventual conquest of the planet. Also, this apes procreate as a much faster rate then what's usual for a common ape. Like, say, it's common for this alpha apes to gvie birth to twisnand triplets. The humann characters of this story would be some ape biologist who slowly becames aware that there is a new type of ape in the world, in town, and this guys have a plan. But it's a bitch for him to convince his collegues and organizations of that because of lack of evidence,including Caesar being smart enough to play dumb to not let out his true nature to other inquiring eyes. Yeah, you can tell i really like WOLFEN.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I reaslly doubt you kenw they werer on EAtrht all along when you first saw PLANET OF THE APES because the crashed landed astronauts they first postulate they are on another solar system and they even name it. The mvoei does obsfuscate the viewer to where they arrived early on. Then when the ape stuff appears, it's something that gets sidetracked and never brough up. It gets taken for granted they are on a different planet where evolution run differently from Earth and it was the apes that evolved to inteligence and not the humans. And then comes the really shocking ending.

  • The movie mananges to be bleaker then PLANET OF THE APES, a movie which itself is quite a very bleak one. In fact, one common trait of all of the apes movies is that they always have bleak deprssing endings. Well, i never saw BATTLE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES so i can't coment on how that one goes. If i understood correctly, it's the most hopeful of all the apes movie endings. but the ones i saw, all of the movies go dark and bleak by the end. And in my mind, none more so then the second movie.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    of course I knew they were on Earth

    by fred

    It had been out for like 20 years when I first saw it. Everyone knew the ending. It's like knowing what Rosebud meant. I was wondering what people in '68 thought when it first came out

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    oops, that was second person plural

    by fred

    my bad

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Glad this got a good review..

    by gabbygall

    ..looking forward to going to see it now. Quint is one of the more reliable reviewers on the site IMHO.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Re: Beneath...for a sequel that was popular with youngsters,

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    hell the original had a bubble gum card series, it's incredibly bleak. (Spoiler!!!) The movie ends with Heston blowing up the world, how bleak is that?

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST


    by FluffyUnbound

    I think it's not really "Hollywood" that has established the trope of "science runs amok and causes disaster". That predates Hollywood. Mary Shelley didn't live in LA.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Studio plants out in full force & it will flop!!!

    by genrefanboy

    Just saying cause whenever Hollywood wants to sell you some shitty movie all of a sudden out of nowhere come all these posters who have high praise & go on here, IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic etc etc offering rave reviews When this happens it nearly always means the movie is a massive pile of crap so they have employed fake PR to damage control as thats cheaper than making a decent movie to begin with & having a higher budget to hire a decent proven director/actors etc etc This movie looks utterly horrible will be available to buy before Xmas on Bluray & if a Tim Burton big budget Apes movie cannot bring in the audiences what genius thinks this will do any better!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST



    or Truck Nuts!

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Love when posters make claims that simple research deflates.

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Burton's POTA opened to 68.5 million opening weekend (in 2001 dollars), and went on to make 362 million worldwide. Quality aside, it did bring in an audience...

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    asimovlives, yeah I think it holds up well. I just wonder

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    what sort of take would be done now that computer technology has advanced so far. In Forbin it wasn't a computer that did man in, but the computers of the two superpowers merging into one. I guess we saw a taste of that in I, Robot. Now that we have the technology though I really want a good working of the Dune prequels from the Jihad era.

  • They must think that the first movie must not be too different from the book. Hell, i bet everybody in Holywood even thinks the book is american.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I saw PLANET OF THE APES for the first time in the late 80s. It was actually in a school class. And contrary to what you migth think for some reason the ending wasn't that well known. So, when i first saw the move, the ending was a complete shock. So, going by my exprience, i can tell you, at he time when the movie was released, the ending blew everybody's mind and was the ultimate twist ending. No, nobody saw that coming.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by lv_426

    Your idea of the evolutive jumps is an interesting one. I think that would work too. Also, what if you added in some new type of ape being found (kinda like how new species are being found even nowadays). Hell, they could even work in some yeti elements into this concept of a hidden ape species being discovered and captured. Maybe these hidden apes are smarter, which would explain why they have eluded capture all these years and have sort of become these myths and tall tales over the centuries. So now mankind finds and captures a group of these apes and they put them in a zoo or wildlife preserve. I think that could be a cool starting point. Some smarter than your average apes that have co-evolved in the shadows of the natural world alongside mankind. Of course, that would completely torpedo the notion of the social class system of the previous Apes movies (chimpanzees as scholars, orangutans as politicians, and gorillas as the army/police force). Although, since we are talking remake here, I always liked the idea of expanding the social class concept. What about baboons? They'd be some fierce mofos wouldn't they? Maybe they'd be assassins or something? There are lots of different apes and monkey species out there to use.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I read FRANKENSTEIN. Mary Shelley didn't wrote a book where she pissed on science and warned "science is dangerous, if it runs amok, it will kill us all". Quite the contrary. If you read the book, you will notice that Frankenstein constantly ignores scientific ethic, and he edoesn't evne folow scietific protocol. His inspiration and work is based on non-scientific work, he uses more kabalistic arcana then real science. And from which he created his abomination. If anything, Frankenstein is a book about a guy who didn't though as a scientist and from which an evil was done. The FRankesnstein as a deranged scientist and whose work is the bad result of bad science was invented for the movies, for the Holywood movies. It's the Holywood Frankenstein movies that has science = evil that makes murdering monsters.

  • When does that ever happen? I've worked in a movie theater for two plus years and I've never seen anyone applaud for those things. Now I've seen applause for a movie which might be indirect applause for those people but I've never seen applause carried out after specific portions of the credits. I dunnow, for whatever reason that line bugs me.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST


    by Michael


  • That was a big pile of damn dirty stinking ape shit.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Baboons are monkeys, not apes. And they aree machines of total viciousness. I don't think they are very thoughful creatures, by primate standards. And then there's the mandril, which is even more vicious, so much it makes babbons like like pacifists. It has been reported that mandrils can attack and kill leopards. It's easy to accept a smart ape because they are smart. Hell, humans are a type of ape. Monkeys can be cunning and rascalians, but they are not exactly the brighest part of the primate family. With the lemurs being the hillibillies.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    lv_426, and another thing

    by AsimovLives

    Gorillas, despiste their fearsome fame, they are in fact the most pacific and laid back of the primates. Yeah, they are the hippies of the apes, believe it or not. All they want of life is to chill out, hang out with the family and friends, fucking, eating and just chill out in their favorite patch of the woods. They are incredibly smart, some even believe they are smarter then chimps. But they are very quiet and really avoid any time of physical contact and fighting. They are like those pacifists who just don't want to get into any mess. Gorillas only became violent when ther's no other way out of themess they are in. In fact, gorillas prefer to run awaty and hide. But woe he who forces a gorilla to fight. It has been measure that a normal mountian gorilla has the strengh equivalent of 20 men. And they are much much faster and agille then even then men. They are pacifists who turn badasses if no other option is available. Oranguthans and chimps are far more casually agressive and vicious then gorillas, though in popular minds they are famed for being otherwise compared ot their gorilla cousins.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    In a Planets Of The Apes scenario, where primates gained advanced inteligence, the baboons would be like the savages of the more civilized apes. They would be like the picts in the Conan The Barbarian stories, if you know what i mean. Cimmerians were barbarians, the picts were savages. Baboons would be savages of that world, they would had a simple culture which would be totally dedicated to fighting, pillage and destruction. They would be a plague to the apes's society. The humasn woudl be anoying pests, but the baboons would be a real threat to their way of life.

  • And really,what the fuck was Marky Mark's attitude inthat movie? He spenmd the whole movie commatose, in a total "i can't give a fuck i'm here" attitude. The dude never even tried. The man could only exude boredom from his acting. Another stuopid shit fromthat movie was that the maincharacter crashlands in the ape planet, and right after he steps out of the crashed shit, he jumps right into the middle of the drama. No build up, no sense of tension or mood, he just literally went face to face with the problem. What kind of fucking filmmaking is that shit? You know what is my favorite part of the original PLANET OF THE APES? It's the whole sequence between the crash and the crew finding the brutish humans. i love all that sens eof alieness, they bieng lost and searching, trying to dfigure out where the hell they are and how to get out of their mess. And it's mostly played without dialogue, just with images, sound and music. So cool.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST


    by FluffyUnbound

    I think you're anachronistically projecting 21st century ideas of positivist science back onto a Napoleonic Era writer. Shelley definitely wrote Frankenstein as a "scientist", to the extent that she was able to create such a character given her relative level of knowledge. And her theme definitely was "the arrogance of man in tampering with nature and attempting to use his reason to assume the prerogatives of God". It's a theme I don't agree with, but she did it quite well. I think that "film" Frankenstein definitely diverges from the novel's version (who is much more thoughtful and less overtly insane than the crazed mad scientist of the films) but if anything that makes Shelley's work even more critical of science. The problem with Shelley's Frankenstein isn't that he's a "mad" scientist - it's that he's an EFFECTIVE scientist.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    asimovlives - barbaric baboons

    by lv_426

    maybe a form of capital punishment in the Ape society would be getting thrown into a pit of hungry baboons?

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST

    All sizes and shapes of monkeys and apes...

    by Chase

    loved that book as a kid. Make mine movie monkey magic!!! Ape up.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    That would be hungry humans. The Baboons would had a primtive society, it's the humans who are the real animalistic savages. In the movie, remember, the humans savages are able to rip apart astronaut suits. It implies they are quite physically strong. In the book, they go evne fuither: the humans rip apart not jsut the shuits but all their equipment including guns, and they gut the spaceship that carrie dthem there.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    fluffyunbound, no i'm not

    by AsimovLives

    I read the book dude. In it, Frankenstein wants to play god and he uses arcane knowledge, non-accepted scientific methodes to achieve it. When he's in university, he's berated by his teachers for following the arcane mysticism of a medieval sage long rejected by modern science. And believe it or not, much of what is accepted scientific pratice and metodology and ideology alrweady existed in the napoleonic era. The tiem of napoleon wa snot the middle ages, you know. They called their era the modern era, and it was. It was still during the age of lights, also called the age of reason. Frankenstein actually is a cautionary tale of a guy who didn't followed reason but passion when he went to do this thing, and caused all the dammage and destruction he did.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    No, you're still misunderstanding it.

    by FluffyUnbound

    He's berated for his refusal to accept that there should be limits to scientific inquiry. The arcana Shelley has him use are her equivalent of tachyons - just some technobabble she grabs (as a non-scientist) from the long history of European alchemical pseudoscience in order to give her a way to make Frankenstein's research succeed. You're taking the modern paradigm of rigorous research protocols - a paradigm that took centuries to develop fully - and putting it into the minds of Frankenstein's teachers, as their motivation, in a highly anachronistic way. Their motivation is much closer to the vague cautionary one in Hawthorne's THE BIRTHMARK, which is in many ways a similar work.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST

    BTW, Shelley was not an Enlightenment writer.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Both Shelley's were Romantics, and saw their work as a reaction AGAINST Enlightenment optimism in the power of reason. Shelley wouldn't write a novel where passion is the problem and where the protagonist should have stuck with reason, for the simple reason that the Romantics thought the exact opposite to be true.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    How long before CGI stops looking like CGI?

    by proevad

    Just wondering.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    CGI stopped looking like CGI with Starship Troopers

    by obi_juan

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    My Deadly Friend mashup with Gremlins

    by Immortal_Fish

    I already saw those movies.

  • Weeny fucktards who play with their cock all day pontificating about what makes great film in their high and might view should be seen and not heard. That'd be you Einstein.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    So much anger on these boards...

    by Cruzboy

    the horror.... the horror...

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Quint isn't familiar with Ape lore either

    by IndyCollector

    Zira is the first ape to speak, dummy.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Because I loathe bananas.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 10:56 p.m. CST

    I had the same reaction as many of you...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ..until I saw it. The commercials made it look like just another Fox cash-grab, and I had zero interest till I heard from someone I can almost always trust, due to very similar tastes, who told me I'd be shocked at how good it was. He was right. This is better than any other PotA film project save the first movie. The screenplay is sharp and tight, and all the questions you guys are asking are answered plausibly (though you have to sit through the credits to see them addressed fully. This was perhaps poorly judged, as this is not just a Sam Jackson cameo, but an important plot point that normal people who leave as the credits roll won't see; but it's in there.) As for the rest, the music, editing and direction are all powerhouse, along with several of the performances. Some of the CGI is weak in the part where we see Caesar as an infant, but the stuff in the finale is terrific, along with all the work in the primate holding facility; the expressiveness and individuality of the apes is impressive. Frieda Pinto is lovely, but brings little else (though her part is underwritten, so it's not all her fault). But Franco is solid (and I'm not his biggest fan), John Lithgow is very fine, and Serkis is flat-out magnifcent; I think this is his finest work. Talk of an Oscar nomination is not deranged; it may be unlikely, because I think many of the actors who vote are afraid of motion-capture replacing them, but it's not ridiculous. In sum, I think this is the best sf film I've seen this year (though I missed Source Code), and I'll be delighted if I see another one this year this strong. If you have any fond feelings for the franchise, or sf movies in general, you should strongly consider seeing this.

  • Aug. 4, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Oh, and grammaton cleric binks, I also love Colossus: The Forbin Project...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...which makes me wonder why you want to see it remade. Special effects are perhaps less relevant than in any other sf film; and the screenwriter, James Bridges (who went on to direct The China Syndrome), did a very close adaptation of the book, which would have to be refitted to suit a post-Cold War world. I'm glad to see the love, don't get me wrong, but I am somewhat puzzled on this point.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 1:49 a.m. CST

    canned_dirty_ape, that's an intriguing idea...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...I've read the other two books, and I'm a bit torn. The sequels go some interesting places, but I also think the ending of the first (which shocked me reading it as a kid) may work best without followup. But on the gripping hand, as sf fans sometimes say (making a The Mote in God's Eye reference), there's a scene with Colossus experimenting on humans in order to understand them which I've never been able to forget. (I'm sure you remember it; it's the one that involves a painting.) The fact it's stuck in my head this long sugggests the sequels do have some heft on their own. However I sort out these conflicting feelings, I give you credit for coming up with a reason for a remake that's worth considering. I'll mull it over. (And that's a great nick for this particular talkback).

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 1:53 a.m. CST

    And I never heard Ron Howard was thinking about a remake...

    by kisskissbangbang you know any more than that about it? (His plans, that is, not their current status, obviously.)

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 2:04 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'd say that Shelly and his buddies were proto-romantics. they helped kickstart the movement. But they lived in the age of reason.

  • It's so rare to see a SF movie being so dependent on those two elements, but in Colossus: The Forbin Project the movie lives by them. And a subtle nuanced directing that was much suprior to what was commonly seen in the genre att hat time. Damn good movie. One of the smarterst SF movie i ever seen in my life. Allow me to also share the love for that movie.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 2:10 a.m. CST

    kisskissbangbang, you are giving me hopes for the next apes movie.

    by AsimovLives

    Good to know the movie is more clever then the trailers give any indication. And thanks for the warning that one eneds to sit through the ending credits to get the answers. I'll kept that in mind when i watch it.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Here's a couple thoughts on why Colossus: The Forbin Project

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    would be interesting to see as a remake, to answer the question. True I am 90 percent of the time anti-remake. True, Colossus holds up well not from a cold war/technology aspect, but from a sheet acting perspective. What I would like to see is what failed to materialize in I,Robot, and the antithesis of Terminator. I am curious to see what happens in today's society, once Colossus is online, and has control of the world. We saw only a taste, a good taste mind you, but a taste in the original. We see where Colossus order the killing of about ten scientists/soldiers who tried to pull the plug on him. The soldiers who fired had no choice. Kill ten, or he would nuke a city. I think I would like to see more of Colossus' control on the world. I mean would people have to log in every morning. Would they get individual orders. Would Colossus ban junk food, and order fat people to the gym for their own good a la Stephen King's Quitter's Inc story? That's what I'm curious about, and I would like to see explored further. Because at the time Colossus was literally in one location and gave orders only from that location. What would happen today if we all got individualized marching orders for the day. Some would embrace it as paradise as Colossus would try to help all. Some would call it an Orwellian hell. Anyway, that's why I would be curious about a remake.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST

    About Colossus: The Forbin Project

    by FluffyUnbound

    What I liked about it was that, as you said, it was the anti-Terminator. In the Terminator universe, the storytelling jumps from "self-aware machine" to "OK now there was a nuclear war" to "OK now we're fighting androids with lasers" to "OK now the robots built a time machine". There are some huge leaps there. In C:TFP, the storytelling really takes its time. The computer gradually becomes self-aware and then gradually realizes the extent of its power. The human beings contest the machine's rise in a series of ways. The computer NEEDS things from some of the humans and has to find a way to dominate them to make them obey, and the humans try different strategies of resistance. C:TFP mines material that Terminator covers in a couple of expository lines of dialogue. And I guess that's why people are thinking of that movie in this context: because RISE is doing the same thing. Finding a lot of story in exploring the details of a couple of lines of expository dialogue from the original(s). And taking its time doing it in storytelling terms, and finding some room to explore character.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST

    I am just so happy that there's so much Colossus love out there.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Giddy really. How many Bayified geeks today wouldn't waste their time with it today because they have to actually stop, think, and enjoy a plot.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    grammaton cleric binks

    by AsimovLives

    Indeed. Colossus is the anti-Bay/anti-Abrams type of SF. The good type, then.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Agreed. So was Contact. It's not on the level of Colossus, but still

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    was good stuff. Speaking of classics, I bought a four-movie DVD for $10. It has The Time Machine, Forbidden Planet, Soylent Green, and 2001. My kids love the orginal Time Machine and Forbidden Planet. They haven't seen the others yet. All four of these hold up well. When will JJ and Bay learn that CGI and 'sposions alone do not a movie make.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 8:29 a.m. CST

    By the way, getting back to apes, I owned a POTA Colorforms set.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Remember Colorforms? Come on everybody, sing along. "What makes Colorforms stick? Is it some kind of hard trick..........."

  • We're talking apes here, not horses or cattle. Just how do dozens (if not hundreds based on some shots in the trailers) of non-native, exotic fauna suddenly appear in a modern city. Counting the zoos, travelling circuses and maybe some research labs, I doubt there are more than 20 apes in San Francisco. This needs to be explained.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Pulsar, I mean Stargrove (Legion of Superheroes joke there)...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...the smart apes are from a holding facility in San Francisco that takes in older or dangerous apes from a variety of places, usually labs that can't use them anymore. I don't remember a figure being given, but it's more apes than I personally would care to shake a stick at.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    kisskissbangbang, wasn't Pulsar's last name Stargrave?

    by Ted Knight

    My handle will have to remain evermore a mystery, but excellent reference nonetheless. Anyway, what's the current population of Cali? 40 million? Even though your explanation does explain a definite uptick in the ape numbers they still can not reach critical threat levels to pose a viable threat to humanity. That's why I always preferred the runaway virus storyline that infects the human race and zombifies or maddens homo sapiens because it's at least feasible to believe humans could be jeopardized by a rapidly growing portion within their own species.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    grammaton cleric binks, I actually fuckign hate Zemeckis's CONTACT.

    by AsimovLives

    The movie is such a betrayal of Carl Sagan's work that i fell nothign put pure furry everythign the fucking movie is mentioned. It could had been an inteligent and thoughful SF movie of the anti-Bay variety. Unfortunatly, it is a Bay SF movie only disguised as smarter then it actually is. Mayeb callignit Bay-like is pushing it, but the fucking movie certainly thinks itself far clever then it is. The fucking movie!

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah, it's Stargrave, Stargrove....(spoiler hint)

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...trying for a quick joke that needed a little more finesse there, but at least you got the reference. I can't give you a proper answer without spoilers. Let's just say the film is well aware of your logic, and doesn't duck the issue. Given your comment, I'm pretty sure you will be pleased with their answer. Wish I could say more. (Hint, hint.)

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    asimovlives, I can't comment on the book as I never read it.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    That aside I don't see it as a Bay movie in any form. There are about two explosions; the sabotage, and the effects from when she finally goes through. Other than that it is a thinking person's sci-fi movie.

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Gattacca is one of the ultimate thinking person's sci-fi movies.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Also, you can never go wrong with The Borg.

  • And as a portait of a scientist, it's a fucking disgrace. No fault of Jodie Foster, she acts the hell out of the role. No, the fault are in the eriters and Zemeckis who pussies out like a girly fuckass coward cunt. Zemecki's contact movie is one ofthe most intelectually coward movie iever had the displeasure to watch in my whole life. The fucking movie, man! Fuck that shit! Fuck that pussy ass shit!!

  • Aug. 5, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    James Franco... really the best choice?

    by squiddude

    Admittedly I am not a fan, he bugs the crap out of me. He always reminds me of the kid in high school who would put M80s in toilets. But seriously, if you are casting a movie and the role is a scientist who could be believably creating an actual cure for Alzheimier's, and of all the actors in the world, you choose James Franco???

  • Easy on the hate on this guy, guys! There's other actors out there which are more deserving of your despise.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST

    I don't get the Franco hate either. I actually respect the guy.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Not for his acting, but for the fact that instead of partying so the tabloids can write about him he's pursuing a degree at Yale to better himself. Same goes for Emma Watson. Old school Ron Silver, RIP, did the same thing.

  • Aug. 6, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Damn, asimovlives don't hurt me. All I said was I didn't

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    read the book.