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Second GREEN LANTERN "Edgier And Darker"?
Nordling here.
GREEN LANTERN wasn't exactly a success this summer, either critically or financially. It had a nice opening weekend, as these movies tend to have, but dropped quickly. My problem with the film wasn't with Ryan Reynolds, but with a story that seemed too grounded when it should have taken flight, and embraced the nature of the material. It wanted to be SPIDER-MAN when it should have been FLASH GORDON.
Now, according to the L.A. Times, Jeff Rubinov says that Warner Brothers is going forward with a sequel, despite the film's failure at the box office: “We had a decent opening so we learned there is an audience. To go forward we need to make it a little edgier and darker with more emphasis on action.”
I don't think the problem was with the tone of GREEN LANTERN. In fact, I think going darker or edgier would be a mistake with this property. Now, if the story lends itself to those tonal aspects naturally, fine, but Earth played too much of a role in the original film and I think a change of scenery for the new film would work wonders. If they barely go to Earth at all I'd be fine with that. Rubinov adds, "We have to find a way to balance the time the movie spends in space versus on Earth." I'd rather there be no balance at all, and have Hal Jordan pretty much leave Earth entirely. What say you? Do you think the film was not dark enough, or too Earth-bound?
Nordling, out.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST
Hmm, if we make it very dark, people will love it as much as the DARK Knight!!!!
by Simpsonian
god damn, these executives are brilliant!
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Earth didn't even need to be in it, outside of the first act! Hopefully by darker, they mean colors. Darker = more stars = SPACE!!
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It's just another indication that they have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to most of their properties. The problem with Green Lantern was tied to its narrative. Telling too much rather than showing, and then it's Telling often contradicted what they did show.
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Very boring.
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Was utter dog shit. That is all
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Let's start with that first.
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Yes, that is what is needed.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST
Just as long as Harry keeps getting the shiny swag, who cares how good this movie is?
by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform
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Aug. 2, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST
Why do they assume the answer to everything is 'edgier and darker'?
by Laserhead
Story or conceptual problems? Make it 'darker and edgier'. Then you have a turd that's 'dark and edgy', instead of just being a regular turd.
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Will they recast Reynolds? This has great potential, but then most things do.
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I still doubt they would make a second movie, considering what the first one was.
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Everybody likes Ryan Reynolds. Mark Strong's Sinestro was perfect. But honestly I'd rather they cast Nathan Fillon and just rebooted the franchise. I've always liked the concept of a Green Lantern, but preferred the Green Lantern Corps. The character worked best in the animated Justice League, and I think the Jon Stewart GL deserves props for that. They shouldn't do a sequel this soon, but if they do, it should be called Green Lantern Corps, and feature a more epic, inter-galactic battle like you'd see in the Justic League. Less emphasis on giant fists and race cars and more straight-up laser blasting, slicing ships in two, and creating shields. Bruce Timm is a freaking genius.
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the movie already has such a bad reputation, making the tone darker won't make much of an impact. war zone improved over punisher, but by that time, no one really cared anymore.
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Green Lantern is still at least 250 million away from breaking even and they are talking a sequel? Pure insanity.
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...until the screed is spouted from Queen anti-geek...
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Aug. 2, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST
The first was decent, Sinestro going bad will definitely make it darker, edgier can be accomplished by shooting in 3D and pushing the boundaries of the technology
by Motherfucker Jones
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Just pure fantastic fun. A Michael Bay 'Wonder Woman' would be nothing short of spectacular.
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It's okay for light hearted comic strip movies. Spider-Man should be way more light hearted if it wants to be like the pinnacle of its comic days. Like the morons who made a dark, edgy Robin Hood. What the fuck? Robin Hood is light hearted and fun. Fuck Hollywood.
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Yeah, and that audience is fucking pissed.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST
Look at it this way, it's better than a Jonah Hex sequel!
by Matt Goodman
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Aug. 2, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST
Whenever I see that poster, for some reason my brain thinks it's an AXE body spray ad at first
by SifoDyasJr
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Aug. 2, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
Halle Berry now has her hopes up for a Catwoman sequel green light
by SifoDyasJr
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Trying to get the Nolans involved.
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I hope this happens just so they can make a sequel and have it be a blackest night tie-in.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST
I'm tired of explaining to my 5-year-old that the reviews said it sucked
by Domi'sInnerChild
He keeps asking why their used a fear cloud as the bad guy. Don't make me go through this again.
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Michael Bay is essentially the hollywood opposite of King Leonidas: Everything he touches turns to completely fermented dog shit.
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Johns' sensibility *only* works in comics. He doesn't seem to understand the first thing about moving pictures, be they TV (Awful Blade TV series) or film (this first GL movie that he spent months taking credit for in the press before it opened). Michael Green is an annoying idiot who wrote terribly on Heroes before going off and making a hideous show of his own, NBC's KINGS. Keep him away as well. How about getting MICHAEL CHABON to write the next one...just someone with actual writing skills as opposed to Fanboy credentials.
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Namely that WB didn't like working with Martin Campbell and don't want him back for the sequel, and that they finally have a completed script for The Flash.
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for WB to greenlight The Return of Mr. Freeze in 3-D.
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The movie has made 154 million worldwide on a 200 million budget, it's the biggest bomb of the summer. A sequel will do even worse, there's no profit in anything but a reboot in the future.
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That poster makes it look like Ryan Reynolds is starring in a movie called "Brightest Day". Please no 'darker and edgier' sequel- That just sounds desperate and lame.
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I liked some aspects of GL, and it wasn't as bad as many critics said, but overall it was just OK, and far from the box office blockbuster Warners wanted. Marvel's three movies this summer were far superior. Anyway, if GL gets a sequel, how much of a fuck you would that be to Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh, who actually made a great movie which grossed $400m.
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Thank you Mr. Plinkett for putting that into brilliant context. Man, I hadn't been so bored and disappointed by a movie in years--and then I saw Green Lantern. Sad to me that the only part I was worried about (Reynolds miscasting) was the only good thing about the movie.
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I mean seriously. Nobody wants it. Nobody cares.
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Tobey Maguire directed by Sam Raimi. With Cliff Robertson as Abin Sur and Willem Dafoe as Sinestro. Insert random female.
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and they are going to have lower budget for the sequel.
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This movie cost $200 million to produce and another $100 on top of that for prints and advertising. So far it's entire international take is $154 million. That's not worthy of an immediate sequel in the eyes of studios. Especially when you consider that it was trashed by fans and critics. This is going to go right next to Superman Returns, Terminator Salvation, The Golden Compass, Percy Jackson, etc.. as films that were supposed to be new trilogies but the box office didn't make it worth the investment. I'm sure they will reboot the franchise at some point. But it's not going to be these people and it's certainly not going directly into production within the next year or so. They talked forever about the Bryan Singer Superman sequel and eventually they just couldn't justify it. If this goes as far as hiring a director I'll be shocked, I don't see it getting past the screenplay.
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Maybe by making it edgier and darker he'll stick his finger in other peoples rings too!
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this is probably bullshit talk to get people to go see the original one while still in theaters..or eventually buy the DVD or something.
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Therefore have no interest in a sequel.<br> <br> <br>
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However, now that it's been awhile since I've seen it I can have a bit more perspective. First and foremost I think the effects didn't hold up good enough. They looked cheap. Oa and all that stuff looked great, but the suit, and particularly the fucking mask, looked like a cartoon. There were some really strange editing decisions that were quite offputting. For example there is a sequence that tries to juxtapose GL's rise to power with the hydrosymphalic's. It's "Woo hoo", horror scream, "Yeah this is great", disgusting head swelling and puss spurting, etc. It's so fucked up. It completely pulled me out of the movie. And that big-headed guy was simply too gross and frankly disturbing. He didn't belong in what should have been a fun adventure film. My friend liked the movie but said he killed Paralax too easily and quickly. I didn't feel that way but I'm sure he's not the only one. In the GL comics I read, he never had anything going on on Earth outside of the JLA. He was always in space with the Corps. How would Star Wars have worked if every 15 minutes or so Luke Skywalker started putting around Earth? I agree that this sort of thing kind of put the brakes on everything. So take your hottie to Oa and be the intergalactic badass you were meant to be!
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Daredevil bad? Either Fantastic 4 bad? Elektra bad??!?! (can't be that bad - I couldn't even watch more than 5 minutes of that goofy flick). Cause the vibe I get isn't quite Fantastic 4 bad and worlds better than Catwoman bad but yet not as good as Iron Man 2 bad (yeah, it's not the worst but it's not very good either) but not much worse than IM2? (which would make it bad but not giant ass sucking bad, dig?)
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We don't like him that much anyway.
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There was a Green Lantern movie?
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You've got to say 'dark' and 'gritty', and always always always say you're a fan of the source material and want to get back to a purist representation of the sourciest source material there is. Even if that source material isn't dark or gritty, say you want to make a dark gritty film that will be true to the source material. It doesn't have to make sense. People like hearing the words 'dark', 'gritty', and 'source material'.
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Anyone would be better than Ryan I'm-not-nearly-as-charming-as-I-think-I-am Reynolds.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST
The reason they had to reboot Superman is because they gave him a son.
by Motherfucker Jones
And that, was a BIG mistake.
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In Thor(not making a which is better or worse argument here) Earth was almost an irrelevance. The stakes were far higher than that. Here they made Earth the big deal and it didn't need to be. There wasn't enough time with he lanterns and in space. I don't remember many complaints about how much action there was, it was about how poorly done some of the action was.
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In Thor(not making a which is better or worse argument here) Earth was almost an irrelevance. The stakes were far higher than that. Here they made Earth the big deal and it didn't need to be. There wasn't enough time with he lanterns and in space. I don't remember many complaints about how much action there was, it was about how poorly done some of the action was.
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Oh, and cast Nathan Fillion, like you should have done in the first place!
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I feel compelled to bitch about it endlessly. For, you see, I am a TBer!
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Aug. 2, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST
As an audience, we don't need it to be darker. We need it to be better written and directed.
by Doctor_Strangepork
Every genre franchise tries to duplicate the Dark Knight's success. The key isn't "darker and edgier," it's smart writing and directing. I'm sure Ryan Reynolds, Geoffrey Rush and Mark Strong will deliver whatever kind of movie you want to make. So make something smart that's actually about something rather than recycle the first film but make it darker.
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RYAN REINOLDS EYES DO NOT LOOK STRAIGHT. FAIL
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PIECE OF SPAM WITH TWO EYES THAT DON'T LOOK STRAIGHT I HOPE HIS CAREER ENDS FAST IN POVERTY AND DRUGS. DIE.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST
Bitch Lucas is directing it, and promises that it will be "Faster and more intense"
by AzulTool
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LANTERN. GREEN LANTERN.
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Ya know. Edgier. darker. Or they could just make it 'better, less suckier.'
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The second movie should have been about the fall of Sinestro. Build up their relationship following an "Obi-wan - Luke" path then have Sinestro flip. That would be darker and edgier and a much more fulfilling story. Unfortunetly they pissed all over that by rushing the fall at the end of the movie.
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GL had all the right elements, they just forgot to make it a good movie while they were at it. Three glaring plotholes just from the top of my head (um, spoilers, I guess): 1. When Hammond is attacking Waller in the secret lab, GL bursts in through the wall to save the day -- but how did he know? 2. At the end of the same scene, GL and Hammond are both lying on the ground, near unconscious... and then what? I guess whichever one got up first just walked away? Or did they punch out their timecards like the coyote and sheepdog on those old cartoons? 3. At the very end when the other lanterns show up to save Hal... where the hell were they the whole time he was fighting Parallax?
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How can they consider a part II? Maybe in about ten years.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST
Even though I want a sequel, I question Warner's decision to make one
by Jaster
I mean, they lost a fuckload of cash on this flick. Sure they've made some of that up in toy sales and home video/on demand will collectively add up...but still! They lost a fuck of a lot of money on GL! When you consider studios only recoup like 55% of theatrical grosses so by the end of it's run they'll be lucky to apply $100M to the $300M tab! Add in maybe another $100M for home video and say $10M for cable/on demand/Netflix, etc. You're still at least $80M in the hole! It just doesn't seem to make any business sense to go forward with a sequel that will probably gross maybe 60%-70% of this one. The only way forward I see for them is if they ditch the CGI suit and either lower the quality (or quantity) of the CGI backgrounds/characters, or make it an Earthbound story. They could do that and frankly make a really fucking cool GL film. But they've set themselves up for a fall with the first film because everyone expects a big space adventure. They've kind of backed themselves into a corner here. Of course what I HOPE they do is say "Fuck it" and make a giant $200M opus and hope this time it catches fire. I'm just glad it's not ME giving the ok to do that.
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Maybe back-to-back with Emerald Knights, possibly even JL: New Frontier. And I'll get all the GL I really need.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST
It's made 150 million worldwide on a 200 million budget
by Samuel Fulmer
And it's been out for a while (I'm not sure where in the world it hasn't opened up yet).
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First, get rid of all the shithead producers that have ZERO business mucking about in the movies. Second, let your director make the damn film properly without any dickhead know-it-all interference. Seriously, blame the fucking producers of Green Lantern for delivering the worst shitbomb since Howard the Duck.
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'Sayin.
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Please. You'd think with the 300 million they spent on that disaster that Jeff Rubinov would take a single buck and buy a clue. The reason the flick failed is because it was terrible and no one will go see a second one if any of the Warner Boobs who were involved in the first one, have anything to do with another. PS. Hey jeff, guess those 100 rings you sent out to celebrities didn't work out that well for you, eh? People know to keep away from anything Warner Brothers; DC Comics is going to bite the dust next year... it's Dan Didio's Last Stand. He knows he doesn't have much time left so he took all the slop lying around the DC offices, threw it against the wall and called it the new 52. I feel sorry for all the shop owners who are falling for WB/DC's Big Con: Because insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. Which just about describes Warner Brothers and DC Comics at this point. The End is finally, finally here, it's called Next Year Didio's DC is Done for!
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It seems to be a pattern when a superhero film or big budget film fails, like Green Lantern, the studio starts talking sequel as a way to save the property. It's not gonna happen. WB was saying the same things about Superman Returns and it took them, 5 years, an entire reinvention/recasting and Christopher Nolan pitching an idea for them to go into production on another one. There will not be a sequel, there's just no way to validate the expense and this film from all accounts was really expensive.
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Writing a story with a few less cliches and plotholes would be a good start. My big plothole problem... (SPOILER ALERT) The Oans making the Yellow ring.. The Oans appearantly need millions of years to ponder their actions b/c they're immortal. But when Oans want to do something that will fuck with everything they'll do it in a heartbeat and without looking back. I'm sure there are more to go over but I think we can agree that dark and edgy wasn't the issue.
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Darker GL? Sounds like John Stewart to me. And Elba is no stranger to comic movies as he's working on his 3rd. And I think we're waiting for a big budget comic film that looks a little different than the others.
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Or are we going to get another non-thrilling adventure of the Douche Lantern and the CGI Cloud that does nothing???
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Did it have problems? Hells yah. Mr. Big Head was out of place with everything else they are doing. Too many earthbound things. OA was aweseome, should have been more of that. The next should have a wide array of DC space cameos. Lobo, New Gods, Manga Kahn, Mongol, etc. And I am almost as fucking sick of Ryan Reynolds as I am of Johnny Depp.
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Thank Hangover 2 & Harry Potter 7.2. Warner Bros accountants know how to cook the books to lighten the missed expectations on Green Lantern. Plus, the tax credit from the state of Louisiana will offset even more of the production expenses. My guess is that GL's movie brand is still worth pursuing because the ancillary revenues (videogames, toys, apparel, website hits, additional tradepaper back collections) delivered well enough to justify a sequel. In WB's eyes, there's still enough sauce to turn this low-performer into a cash cow. Fuck the nostalgia for the DCU. They should continue the GL movie franchise (and roll out Flash, Wonder Woman & Aquaman franchises) if only because WB can create more worldwide licensing bonanzas like Superman and Batman. And WB could do it waaaaaay fucking better than DC Comics.
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What matters is how well the merchandise sold. Movies make millions. Merchandise makes BILLIONS. It took several decades, but the studios have finally learned from the House of Mouse.
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And so did the kids.
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I don't know where you are getting your information, but DC stock is doing just fine. In fact it's doing BETTER than Marvel's. http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:TWX# Now add in DIS to compare the two. As you can see, Warner is up 7.2% since the start of the year and Disney is down .28% for the same period. So next time you open your mouth do us all a favor and stick a cock in it instead.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST
can they come up with a better enemy than the guitar-playing hippie mutant in Futurama for the next one?
by Brannagins Law
I don't know Green Lantern comics and maybe that guy is a bad ass in the GL world, but after seeing the trailers he just looked stupid. A weak or silly looking villain in a movie usually ruins it for me. He's why I never cared to see the movie. If there's no believable threat why bother having a super hero movie at all.
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It was apparently never even released in a lot of major international markets. Maybe boxofficemojo isn't up to date, but it appears that the rollout of this film was incredibly botched. And that poster looks like an advertisement for 5 gum. I'm not surprised by talk of a sequel, although I think a re-boot is more likely. The studio probably realizes this film was botched in a lot of ways and figures that GL is still franchise worthy, plus the studio doesn't want to lose the rights to the property, so they eventually have to make another film. I think the studio figures that GL could potentially do Pirates of the Caribbean or Harry Potter numbers, if done right. They're not going to let one flop deter them. Now if the next one flops too, then I think the studio will be finished with this property, and sell the rights off.
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The problem had nothing to do with the tone, it had to do with being a hollow script. Once you establish that there are no limits to power aside from will, then there's no point to showing anything except what motivates and demotivates the character - and there was nothing in the movie that really explained to me why Hal Jorden's will was stronger than ordinary mortals (of whatever species). He rises to the challenge ... but doesn't everyone who puts on a ring? I never got a sense in the movie why he (or why humans) would be special. The story of the creators of a system of law and order losing faith in their own creation and subverting it has enormous potential in this day and age ... but nothing was done with it, it was just used as a fancy way of saying "evil thing is evil". So in the end, what we're left with is a story that feels like "level 1 lantern fights level 50 boss and wins, wasn't that cool!"
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Aug. 2, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST
THE DARK GREEN LANTERN - COMING TO THEATERS WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER
by Mr. Pricklepants
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Aug. 2, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST
Um how about just more space and less "grounded" material
by Andrew Coleman
The best stuff was when Hal Jordan was in space. Everytime he was back on Earth the film felt off. Still it was better than Transformers by miles and I'm glad they are pushing through and at least won't make the mistakes again... Might make totally new one's but at least they are trying.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST
ye not guilty, Warners already owns all rights to the property
by Jaster
They own DC Comics so they can do whatever the fuck they want with any of their characters, with one small exception. Siegel and Shuster's relatives won an injunction for the origins of Superman, so after The Man of Steel, we probably won't see Smallville stuff for awhile. Or maybe we will and WB will just pay them a fee, who knows.
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"Less shitty" sounds good to me. They can add talking mice, I don't care, just less crap. Obviously, they would need to be cool and killer mice.
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Christ, Hollywood is at its nadir.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST
re: "we need to make it a little edgier and darker with more emphasis on action"
by buggerbugger
Hey, Warners! You know who's the **ideal** candidate to reimaginify a property as 'edgier' and 'darker' than it's ever been before, with a shit-ton of violent action? Rob 'Fucknugget' Zombie. Think about it. He could reimagitard the Green Lantern into an 8-foot-tall, roaming, sociopathic vigilante who metes out br00tal justice by using the ring's power to conjure up a gigantic green boot that stomps a villain's head into bloody pulp while growling "Diiiiieeeeeeeeee! **Diiiiieeeeeeeeee!"** - because that's what directors do when they want to be 'edgier' and 'darker', right? Why settle for one of those faux 'edgier' and 'darker' directors when you can go direct to the source of all that is edgy and dark and, like, totally fucked up, man?
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Batman's dark and edgy and people like Batman. Let's make Green Lantern more like that. Forget the fact the audience DOESN'T WANT TO SEE a terrible concept like Green Lantern up on screen to begin with -- that it's the concept itself that doesn't lend itself to a blockbuster hit.
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...the Guardians turned out to be immortal, not all-knowing. And capable of being led into temptation. And to me that's the point of Sinestro trying on the Ring of Fear; he might believe that a Lantern--being only mortal--would appreciate the danger of the Ring, whereas a Guardian would not. The second film should be about BETRAYAL of the most cherished beliefs, and the redemption of the Lantern Corps. Definitely keep Mark Strong! When he was on screen, I was in the Lantern universe, for sure.
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...I feel the movie could have used a "howling commando montage" at the beginning showing the Corps fighting evil around the galaxy to explain the GA what this is all about. I will never understand why Hammond wasnt taken into custody after their first fight. Thye introduce Amanda Waller and have her do or hint at nothing?? No Captain Boomerang cameo?
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Aug. 2, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST
In brightest day, in darkest night, the sequel shall escape our sight. Let those who love such movie tripe, beware Part 2. Go on, now. SNIPE.
by theDORK
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As soon as they get rid of the space and StarWars-esque aliens. I know it's in the comics DNA, so I don't mean to pretend they don't exist. Just make Hal the only survivor of them.
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Introducing Sinestro, OA, the Guardians, Paralax and Carol Ferris all in one movie was just too much. They couldve skipped the whole Hector Hammond story and it wouldve been a decent movie.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST
WATCH MARVEL USE A THIRD RATE CHARACTER LIKE "CAPTAIN MARVEL" TO COVER THE SAME GROUND AND MAKE A BAZILLION DOLLARS
by Darth Busey
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One of the main problems was they cast a comedian as a tough guy hero and it just doesn't work. Ryan is lispy and light voiced. You need a man's man to play Hal first and foremost. The powers were displayed impressively, the mask was dumb and should have been practical instead of CGI. Heck the suit should be practical to look less stupid and save some cash. The rest was pretty okay, not the turd they claim it to be. Just not up to par with Thor, Cap, TDK, or the other great comic book hero movies.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST
Just because there are a lot of toys and games sitting on store shelves
by Samuel Fulmer
Doesn't mean they sold. I'm guessing we're weeks away from seeing this stuff sitting in the discount bins. Waterworld had toys, it doesn' mean they sold.
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They don't have a clue how to handle their superhero properties. If Nolan hadn't chased Batman, we'd have suffered another shitebomb following Schumacher's work. Green Lantern didn't flop because it wasn't dark - it was just shit. Captain America and Thor weren't particularly dark, but true to the cores of the characters. I guess we know what Man of Steel will be like - shit. But we knew that when Snyder came on board. A dark Superman, cutting his arms with shards of Kryptonite, beating up pimps and racists in grotty alleyways.
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Seriously, there was shit in there that must have TERRIFIED young kids.
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-- like The Smurfs.
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That's the tough thing about the property. With something like Spidey, Supes, or Batman, the real deal is also what's most appealing to people. With GL, the closer it gets to far-out interstellar space-cop fantasy with myriad bizarro aliens, the harder it will be to market it. Is it a family film? An action film? Sci-fi? Van Wilder? Knowing Hollywood, it won't be able to decide. You can only make a green-glowing-ring-energy-guy movie so dark. It won't darken as well as Bats, or Spidey (which also shouldn't be dark, but it goes there better). It should be fun, and imaginative, and far-out. But that would result in a Neverending Story or Last Starfighter, when the studio wants Avatar but on the cheap. Maybe some overarching concept, like Marvel's Avengers schtick, is what's needed to make these DC films more of an event than they inherently are. People won't be as put off by whether it's weird space stuff or not if it ties in to, say... Justice League?
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Two bikini clad supermodels, on a sunny beach, drinking kool-aid is edgy and dark if they're discussing some kind of crime. For many films, edgy and dark amounts to: strategically placed swear words, dark leather jackets, tough guy personas, tinted dark film, grim and utterly innocuous background music and other sundry stuff I can't recall. This edgy stuff has been old since the 90's and they keep doing it. And I don't think that dark themes either complement GL or fix it.
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I'm sure with the MASSIVE talent that resides in that bitter, uppity, going-to-die-alone brain of hers, she could take the franchise and make it work. That, by her path, would mean making Hal Jordan a woman, having her be a what? An over-weight pit hair groomer? Who shits all over 'geeks' with a pretentious, I'm un-fuckable self-entitled mentality. GOLD Jerry, gold.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST
I didn't get a dark and edgy vibe from Thor or Captain America
by Domi'sInnerChild
Huh, those two really were exceptions to the rule.
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...they won't make this sequel, because reviews said the first film was shite.
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They didn't make a sequel to Superman Returns and that made them money. You expect them to make a sequel to something that lost them over a 100 million if you include marketing? It make no sense business wise.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST
The SpiderMan 3 of this franchise was made with the first film!
by kafka07
Spider Man is dead to me. And now Green Lantern is dead to me.
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Why are you all pretending he's a movie star? For reasons that may one day be discovered by alien archeologists digging through the remnants of earth, people of today are deluded into believing a bland, vanilla, as-ordinary-as-they-come, white dude with NO unique charisma, charm or weight is fit to carry a $150 million movie?
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Aug. 2, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST
re: Genderblender's "bitter, uppity, going-to-die-alone brain of hers"
by buggerbugger
Every time someone refers to Genderblender as a "she", he gets a little tingle in his dick at the thought that he's fooled someone else into believing he's a real woman. Then he tucks his despised manhood between his legs and dances around the room in his poorly-stitched fatwoman suit, singing "I Will Survive".
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Hahahahaha! Yes, I play right into that, or I don't. If it's a she, a he, or is smooth down there, I don't know. All I know is what is posted here and in what persona, and as it stands...
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Aug. 2, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST
Recast, please. Ryan Reynolds is NOT a movie star.
by HalJordanSuperstar
Hollywood - please stop trying to make Ryan Reynolds happen! Guy is a sitcom actor at best. Abs do not make a star. Warners can use their magazines and websites to promote him, but people have spoken. He only works as a supporting actor opposite real stars.
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I'll share this link to spare you from someone else doing so snarkily: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Comics)
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Ditto what sluggolicious said.
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That is absolutely what passes for "dark" in Hollywood, and it's very much more childish and immature than a lot of seemingly less "dark" material out there. As a child of the 70s & 80s who grew up with wildly imaginative films that weren't self-conscious about being imaginative, it pains me to see the uptight, constipated version of "dark" and "cool" that pervades entertainment today. It's a horrible joke that's crippling what could be a lot of good stories. LOTR/Hobbit doesn't need it. The Marvel films don't need it. Why does Hollywood think a bunch of also-ran films need it?
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Sinestro Corps would take way too many movies to set up properly. I'd say they make a standalone sequel with the Corps discovering the Manhunters, learning the 'dark and edgy' secret behind who created them, and then FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.
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The sequel would obviously be about the Sinestro Corp war, where thousands of lanterns die. They even set it up at the end of the first movie.
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It doesn't need to be darker but I hope it skips ahead to when Hal is a natural leader for his brothers in arms. If they keep with the rookie thing they may as well go with Kyle.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST
Go ahead and flush another $300 mill down the crapper
by CreatureCantina
They killed the franchise with the first. Going all Dark Knight with the second isn't going to save it. What do they expect from audiences? "Let's all go out and spend our money on tickets to the sequel to that awful stupid superhero movie from a couple years back." It just ain't gonna work. Better to tackle a property that doesn't reek of failure.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST
That's studio speak which translates into "We're retarded as fuck and don't know what we're doing"
by alienindisguise
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)
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Aug. 2, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST
They need more emphasis on eliminating HUGE GAPING PLOT HOLES
by ravenloff
Honestly, I was geeked out after the first scene, but that's pretty much where it ended.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST
@rise_of_fett, I know about the DC version. The previous commenter didn't seem to know about the Marvel version.
by kevred
Been reading comics for about 35 years, so I am quite aware of DC's Captain Marvel.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST
The earth scenes would have benefitied from more scenes
by RedBull_Werewolf
honestly, if an additional 20 minutes was put back into the film then the earth scenes wouldn't feel so rushed and campy. Overall I didn't hate green lantern (i've seen it once and i'd give it 7/10) but I would kill for a directors or extended cut Also kudos to WB for admiting that while the film didn't break records there is obviously still an audience, If this had been a fox film we'd never even see the chances of a sequel even though the property had potential (A-Team anyone??)
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I didn't see it. But "darker and edgier"? Really? Since when is Green Lantern dark and edgy? Does he mean "more Dark Knighty and heath ledgery for more profitability" These guys sound fucking clueless!
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does it mean more thinking man's dialogue and less spelled out over explained to the idiots out there in the main stream. or does it mean more disturbing and jolting like throwing in an element of primal cruelty like rape or torture or severe traumatizing loss to a well developed character. tell me what would be a nice edgy thing that would have improved Green Lantern.
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Wait for it... Movie execs are stupid. I don't think that someone who's main focus and concern is MASSIVE amounts of money should be involved in any creative process. They should take a hit once in a while in terms of spending more money on a movie and accepting smaller profits. All of the movies that double or triple their $hundreds-of-millions budgets should subsidise movies that need an even larger budget or many smaller films. That way they could concentrate on making amazing films and make more money in the long run. Counting your money at the end of each financial year is ridiculous in this industry too, bigger projects take more than a year. I admit I have not seen Green Lantern and know next to nothing about The Green Lantern in any incarnation. Even as an outsider I know that any successful Green Lantern movie should be set away from Earth and would need a FAR bigger budget than they are prepared to provide. Just my opinion, I know I am stating the obvious.
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with The Spirit 2, or Terminator: Salvation 2, or Maybe Jonah Hex Returns.
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I know they were pursuing a Cap Marvel film at one point bt I don't know what happened to it. Maybe they were waiting to see how GL did?
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If i was involved in making the original id have told the writters/director/producers to switch their fucking lamp on and see the need to make a decent fucking movie. That said its called green lantern whata shit name for a super hero what a load of bollocks!
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Because if DC Comics were doing so well, they wouldn't need to redesign every fucking hero in their panthenon and start every single fucking comic with a new number one. Everyone knows the industry is dying, shrinking and DC under Didio has brought the company to its knees. Forget giving Rabinov a dollar, give this piece of shit sycophant called RISE OF FEET a dollar, let him buy a clue and then some soap. Clean up your act, idiot. And get your self a better screen name. Time to move out of Momma's basement, jerkoff.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST
Seriously, do they really expect people to show up for a sequel to a movie that bombed?
by Mr. Pricklepants
Green Lantern? Green Lantern? What was that again? Oh yeah, that was that shitty superhero movie starring Van Wilder and that chick from Gossip Girl, right? And they made a sequel to that? Who wants to see that shit?
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Warner Bros stock isn't based on DC Comics you stupid moron. I can't believe I'm arguing with this asshole.
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Yeah.....didn't think so.
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can be done; in fact, that's just a challenge for the VFX guys. How? Well, for starters, show how Hal has learned to create much more realistic constructs, with normal diffuse colors, but with a irridescent subsurface scattering. And show how hard or easy it is for him to hold onto a construct; that was a crucial part of the comic that the movie missed. And...there's lots of places on Earth that can be modified to look like alien planets; I ought to know, cause that's what it looks like where I live, up in the Great White North.
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Ryan Reynolds should have stuck with Deadpool for his next movie. Period but hey if someone waves 10-15 milion in front of your face, what do you do? The movie was over for me when I found out about the CGI suit, sorry. Over and done And as someone else pointed out, the animated films were far more entertaining.
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The Blackest Night story would be darker and edgier with a R rating and tons of blood and gore. But there are far to many other superhero characters to clear rights for. Blackest Night would be a blockbuster but instead it is the new entry on the "movies that can't be made" list.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST
Somewhere Genderbender's vag is drying up quicker than East Africa
by THAT_SAID_THE_CHOPPAH
Fangeeks and Comic Book movies continue to prevail despite setbacks like GL.
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Just to show I wasn't bitter. :) I think heat exhaustion is making me terse. I haven't heard anything about a CM movie either. Seems like another one of those things that could be terrific if they do it right, but doing it right would probably make too many people in the studio nervous. Even with all the comic movies of late, I'm not sure if Hollywood is ready for more than a narrow slice of true comicdom.
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Come on. Does anyone believe that they really spent 200 million dollars on that movie? The effects were unfinished and very cheap. None of the stars were expensive, they were all pretty reasonable. If reynolds earned himself two million for that picture I'd be surprised. No I suspect the film cost half the budget that they are putting out there so they can pull a fast one regarding profits and loss. Its a huge tax dodge. Look at Box Office Mojo and check out Batman Begins and Superman Returns budget. When the films were first on release Warner Brothers said they cost 200 million for Batman Begins and 250 Million for Superman Returns. Which put both films into the only just profitable category. Superman Returns made more money than Batman Begins which was a shock but now Box Office Mojo shows Batman Begins as only having cost 150 Million and Superman Returns is now showing up as 270 Million. I know this has been altered because it used to amuse me that Batman Begins made less profit than Fantastic Four and I used to point at it and laugh when discussing success at the movies with my customers. There is some very creative accounting going on at Warner Brothers and I suspect that the fact Green Lantern hasn't been released in most markets around the world is also an indication of something going on behind the scenes.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST
Been reading comics for about 35 years, so I am quite aware of DC's Captain Marvel.
by ravenloff
If you don't see the innate hilarity in that very serious comment, perhaps you should put the comics down and study up on irony.
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I can only assume that this is an attempt to put a positive spin on the flick while it still has a couple of live territories left/before it hits DVD. Even if it finds a real audience on DVD, I doubt it'll so much as break even. I don't usually give much of a fuck about the business side of the movies - whether or not something is successful on a business level rarely reflects on its artistic merit. But in this instance the fact that these guys are doggedly talking up a sequel for a film that is, as it stands, literally hundreds of millions of dollars in the red seems a bit bizarre. There is (was) clearly a decent-sized US audience but virtually no international one - the sequel would have to be budgeted @ $50M to make any financial sense. Seems a tad unlikely. I remember similar talk after Stallone's Judge Dredd movie tanked in the 90s. The logic then was that there was $millions lying around a studio backlot in sets, props and costumes so they might as well use them in lower budget sequels (wasn't there even talk of a TV series at one point?). But that can't apply here since GL looks like a fucking video game - not a practical set, prop or even mask to put in storage!
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They got the characterization of their lead horribly, horribly wrong and going 'edgier, darker' is only going to compound that problem. A Green Lantern should be a Jim Kirk, should be an Indiana Jones. A guy who knows what he's doing(even when he doesn't) and just goes for broke bringing you along on the adventure. Instead what we got is Emo Lantern who mopes around all day to the point that his g/f has to practically slap him around and tell him to grow a pair. The biggest scriptwriting crime of all being that the entire solution to killing Parallax came from Sinestro, and not the Green Lantern. Way to completely undercut your hero there guys. But without an absolutely strong young force as the Green Lantern, Sinestro has absolutely nothing to fear from him and as such has no reason to take the yellow. So the whole bit at the end comes off as WTF as opposed to actually being a logical outcome of the story that had been told.
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Hiring a great screenwriter for this, not Berlanti or Johns (who's great in comics but apparently can't get his brain wrapped around what works on the page as opposed to what works on the screen). Going to somebody like Scott Frank, Jonathan Nolan or William Goldman, or as someone else mentioned, Michael Chabon, would help. You know, actual good writers in any medium.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST
I can't believe they are really considering doing a sequel to this....
by ChickenStu
I really can't. The movie is jank.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST
Doesn't matter anyway, because it's never going to happen.
by Orbots Commander
Oh, the studio and producers may talk up a sequel, but it'll be one of those things that will never get a green light. Ryan Reynolds, for one, won't return for the sequel to a movie that has a failure stink attached to it. So right there, you'll need to re-cast. Never mind the fact that audiences will very likely not show up to a second serving of a first film that sucked. It's over, Warners. You had one shot at this, and you blew it. Try another property, maybe The Flash. Suggestion? Bradley Cooper as Wally West.
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I liked GL and actually liked the earth scenes better than the space scenes. Better dialogue would help because GL was always an intelligent character and needs to have intelligent things to say. So many of these superhero movies leave out the brains...
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Aug. 2, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST
Studio suit in charge of everything says "make the next one viral".
by Knobules
Suit # 2 "says what does that mean?" Studio suit #1. "I dunno"
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No explanation of the word. Just some stupid crap made up by a marketing person. ohh edgy. boner!
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Don't do it! Then take the 150-to-200 million dollars and do two or three movies with original ideas. Radical, I know, but just a thought.
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it was edgy and dark to begin with. As it was the only reason it was dark was because the lighting man went home and it was about as edgy as a soufflé. They would also need another actor because Ryan Reyanlds doesn't do edgy or dark.
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I double dog dare WB to do the Green Arrow/Green Lantern storylines from the 1970's, up to and including Speedy's drug addiction. Very Blue vs Red state and cheaper. T.'.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST
My problem with the film wasn't with Ryan Reynolds....
by Voice O. Reason
Boy, mine sure was.
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The bright spot of the movie was the CGI and OA art direction. When that's the best thing about a movie, you've got a problem. The script was insipid and limp as a 3-day-old noodle. They cannot possibly be thinking about bringing the writer(s) back. Why is it that a movie always has to be dark and gritty anyway? It's a family flick. Just make it good, exciting and interesting. Not long boring scenes that go meandering nowhere. The director seemed like another studio directing stooge. Nothing new brought to the table. I think he just did what the suits asked and collected his paycheck. The result was a big budget movie that looked like a TV movie. I would not have liked Nolan's "real world" take on this property, but I would have loved to have seen J.J. Abrams helming this. After seeing what he did with Star Trek, I think a JJ Abrams Green Lantern would have probably been the biggest superhero film of the summer. Which brings us to casting. I know that Reynolds has name recognition, looks good and has a good physique, but he's kind of the current Ben Affleck (although Affleck has matured into a much better actor and very good director over the years). While RR can do the RomCom thing, he does not have the chops or heroic presence to carry a major, huge budget, tentpole franchise. RR also essentially has one acting gear, and if the camera is on him too long he just looks kind of goofy. This was probably cast by committee or focus group. I wonder if they started to panic after screening some of the dailies. I don't think there's any way Abrams would have cast him in the role. Blake Lively evaporated. And if most folks think supporting females in a superhero flick are essentially interchangeable, look at how endearing Natalie Portman was in Thor or how both sweet and strong Hayley Atwell was as Sharon Carter in Captain America. It takes more than a pretty face to do these roles. People who get paid this much should be able to act.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST
WB: "we still don't have a clue how to make a superhero movie".
by hank henshaw
We lucked out with The Dark Knight...
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The first one has 26% at Rotten Tomatoes. The budget was in excess of $200 million, but its worldwide revenue is only $154 million. WHY THE FUCK MAKE A SECOND ONE? By comparison, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy has over 60% on Rotten Tomatoes, only cost $50 million to make, brought in over $104 million worldwide, and yet there's probably zero chance we'll see any more in that franchise. THERE IS NO JUSTICE!
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The way they wrote Hal Jordan was wrong, wrong, wrong. The way Reynolds played him was way more like Guy Gardner, or maybe (MAYBE!) Kyle Rayner. If your writer doesn't understand what the character is all about, get someone else to write the script.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST
Shoulda been someone like Jim Caviezel or Billy Crudup instead of Reynolds.
by Royston Lodge
So say we all.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST
'Tried to be Spider Man when it should have been Flash Gordon'? Good God man you're really not selling this.
by Arkhaminmate001
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Which is what people could've, and did, say after Batman and Robin. Batman and Robin led to two of the best superhero movies ever. Green Lantern is a good property that can work. Just because this version may or may not have failed doesn't mean the property is a failure. A change in director, writer, vision, etc could quite possibly lead to the Green Lantern's Dark Knight. And as for all the claims that this will never happen, doesn't deserve a sequel, etc. I'd just like to point out that Ghost Rider 2 comes out in a few months.
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Did anyone know who the fuck Christopher Reeve was before he played Superman? Not unless you watched soaps. Did everyone on the world know who Christopher Reeve was AFTER he played Superman? Fuck yeah! He WAS Superman! Just a fucking suggestion - all of these superhero roles should be cast by unknowns, who can fucking ACT and LOOK the part! Get it right, like Superman did, and you will have dozens of new superstars establishing their iconic roles. Ans fuck , pleae tell a great story - if you need to tell an origin- make it a 5 minute flashback. And us geeks will come- over and over- ala Star Wars. No - not come - like that - perverts.
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go get Genndy Tartakovsky and tell him he can make this property his personal star wars type franchise. come on warner brothers, quit fucking around with your toys and get your shit together.
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It's right there in front of these suits eyes and they can't see they have a Han Solo worthy character who doesn't need a space ship. Instead they go dark and edgy. They shoulda made Green Hornet dark and edgy; GLs are one man starships!
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sonnyhooper: Tartakovsky is probably the best animation director working today. His use of sound, let alone the visuals, is absolute brilliance. His post Lucas Star Wars is THE BEST. branmakmorn: Indeed- The Green Lanter Corps = space adventure - agreed. Again- GL is worthy of Star Wars size audiences and worship - just get the direction and story right- DAMMIT!!!!!!
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Skid marks all the way from the butthole of OA
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There it is, a giant fantasy/sci-fi epic like star wars or lord of rings. not a 90 min usher in, usher out summer action flick. GL is so much more than that. I needs to be treated with the same respect and gravitas they're giving to Batman lately.
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Insatiable urge for gum?
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Next one needs to be 3DD...and cast Diora Baird as one of the Violet Lanterns
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Stupid website without an edit button!!!
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Watch the DC Universe Online trailer. That's how you do a serious Green Lantern movie.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST
Popcorn will be 7 dollars by then, soda pop will be 8... small.
by Triple_J_72
I really don't think I want to do this again for a Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern movie. Skip it.
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What idiot monkey was in charge of casting?
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as evidenced by the movie creating the whole "he saw daddy die" plot line they shoulda just gone with the john stewart green lantern and making the film dark totally misses what made the comic popular didnt become really popular, until the the glc and intergalactic adventures gl is making the same mistake as the ff...and the next movie will kill the franchise
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The villians suck. They were generic and not personaal for GL. Sinestro as the villian will help the sequel but it would have helped if they had developed his relationship with GL so his turn to the yellow side would have more meaning. But yeah this franchise like so many is missing a lot of its potential by being retreads of other movies from this genre. Going dark is the wrong way to go. Staying on earth is the wrong way to go. This franchise needs to be a balls to the walls unflynching space opera spectal.
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This is why we get so many $hitty movies. People always talk about making things "edgier and darker" as if it's the solution to a problem. The secret to making a good movie is to dedicated, hire hard working, high quality talent from the writers on up. And keep the suits out of the creative process.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST
I don't get why studios gauge the opening weekend box office
by IndyCollector
All that shows is you had a good marketing campaign. It doesn't say anyone liked it. Although Deathly Hallows, Part II had the biggest second weekend dropoff in history but that is successful.
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Where Gargamel smurf's the hell out of Smurfette then eats them all. That's what audiences are screaming for and executives should be thinking about.
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BWAAAAAAAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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My little boy loved, loved, loved the Green Lantern. It was his favorite superhero and he wanted to be a GL above all others. Then, (against my better judgment) I took him to see this shit sandwich of a movie... now he wants nothing at all to do with this character, ever again. So, sorry Mr. Jeff Rubinov, this is what you're up against.
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The comic book movies that have really worked have grounded themselves in some level of realism that is impossible with Green Lantern due to the nature of his powers. Magic Green Energy turning into a gattling gun or an anti air craft gun or a giant hammer is just downright silly, which works for comics or a cartoon show but not a live action movie. The character doesnt fit the medium.
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And I think about all the build-up there was to a "Green Lantern" film...All the fan-made trailer's that existed before they even inked a deal... Beware "Aquaman" film.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST
Is anybody looking forward to the Green (Buzz Lightyear) Lantern animated series?
by Triple_J_72
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...just doesn't work for movies. It is rare that you can have stakes that anyone cares about if you leave Earth. Once a character can breathe without oxygen, fly without a starship, or create whatever they can think of without flinching, you just don't have a human character any more and no one is going to care. The only superhero tales that work are those where you humanize the hero. Even Superman (sometimes) works because in spite of his awesomeness on Earth, he is still a bumbling insecure guy in glasses who wants the girl but can't have her. And really the only time we fear for Superman is when he's got a big wad of Kryptonite strapped to his neck. It is hard to feel any fear for a character once you leave the familiar bounds of Earth. (Unless they're trapped in a spacesuit sucking oxygen while a Queen Giger-Alien is looming over their shoulder out of the darkness.) While I agree that GL's corps is visually more interesting off Earth, there just isn't an emotional connection we humans need.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST
hmmm what DOES edgy mean... from Urban Dictionary
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
edgy 196 up, 55 down Applied to books, music, or even haircuts which tend to challenge societal norms and reveal the dark side. Cutting edge. Novels by Chris Crutcher, Adam Rapp, and Alex Flinn. edgy 159 up, 43 down Daria - "As far as I can make out, edgy occurs when middlebrow, middle-aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy -- not to mention the spending money -- out of the "youth culture." So they come up with this fake concept of seeming to be dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan." We only do edgy. Is it edgy? edgy 138 up, 64 down 1-pushing the envelope 2- to be way out there to be on the cutting edge or to be edgy edgy 65 up, 43 down the act of being edgy is basically teenage kids that think theyre cool. hardcore kids seem to think theyre the fucking edgyest things everr. "why are you wearing that bandanna out of your pocket," says 9th grade homeroom teacher. "because i'm effin edgy biotch," says asshole.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST
Green Lantern COULDA been cool and fuckin EDGY, man
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
but it WASN'T. You can't teach EDGY. You're born with it. These clowns need to let it go, this ain't gonna happen.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST
At the end of the day, not all characters translate well...
by Orbots Commander
...from comics to movies. Green Lantern is one of them. To paraphrase Sean Connery's Henry Jones, Sr., "Let it go, Warners. Let it go."
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But I can see why they will be proceeding with a sequel and that, in my opinion, is all to do with the propsed Justice League movie. Green Lantern is a core member and they will want to keep the momentum going (much like Marvel did with the Hulk) and I know it was a kind of sort of reboot but it was also kind of sort of a sequel in that it started in the same part of the world as the first movie ended. With talk of a Justice League movie then you can be pretty sure that any other characters in that will appear on the big screen in the lead up to it. It generates excitement, it generates a shared world and DC are obviously hoping to create the same buzz that Marvel has with The Avengers. So, yeah from a long term goal keeping the Green Lantern franchise alive is defintely wiser than not - especially if they address the issues that the first film had. Which I don't know if they will as darker and edgier are meaningless buzz words. However, if they did hit it out of the park then it would just build the momentum to the end goal and if a JL film comes out and makes a fortune then any loss they made on GL is irrelevant as they are the same company.
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Just because Batman films are "dark and edgy" they seem to think this formula will work for any superhero they throw up on the screen. Just stick to the source material. Find a good story and don't be afraid to push the boundries. The Green Lanterns are space cops. Earth is only one of the planets in Hal Jordan's sector. Give the movie a universe to play in. That's the beauty of Green Lantern, most other superheroes are earthbound, Green Lantern can be set almost anywhere in the galaxy.
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Our first movie blew chunks - so let's make GL II - The Dark Green Lantern!
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Seriously, bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch.
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There's nothing wrong with Green Lantern as a character. Unfortunately, that's not who was on screen. That being said, there is NO WAY there's going to be a sequel for Green Lantern (which is not to say that the character cannot appear in a Justice League movie or some other DC property) because it didn't even get a return on production costs, never mind any added revenue. I don't know if Warner Brothers is for some reason testing the waters or something, but as a stand alone character I don't see it.
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And a good script wouldn't hurt either.
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No the name Ryan does not sound like a hero. That said and without too much of a bitch fit- I like him . Facebook Thumbs Up Like him. I need to catch up but the name Ryan is not heroic but can be. At one time the name Sylvester was not heroic and the name Arnold was not heroic. Ball's in your court 'Ryan.' I trust you will read this and know. Thank you Ryan, Cheers, Queer
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I don't know if it's relevant to your argument, but as far as I am aware Warner Bros owns Rotten Tomatoes. I am not saying that it has any effect on what they write about or anything, but it's food for thought.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 7:54 p.m. CST
Sorry, kids, this will NEVER work as a live-action movie...
by Bob Cryptonight
Christ...he wears a little green mask and uses a LANTERN to get his powers!!! And, worst of all, he is from outerspace where, apparently, they still find LANTERNS necessary!!!?? Green Lantern is like the original Captain Marvel...it's silly and needs to be played so straight that it comes off as charming-but-dopey. It works as animation because all superhero animation, no matter how allegedly "dark" is still comical. But when GROWN MEN parade around in that outfit...! LOL!!! HE HAS WHITE GLOVES for chrissakes!!!!!!
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I like him and it makes me edgy. Caught up now. pppppppplatitude's dudes
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No? Never mind then.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST
Sarsgaard did a good job though ..... as a nutcase sociopathic serial killer from SOME OTHER MOVIE, sure as hell not a comic book Green Lantern though ...
by golden tribw
It was a mixed bag, but there's no denying the mixture was far more bad than good.
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Gene pool and all that plus the combination of anit-depressants and name calling one does to a child. Here's the result: Ryan?
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Aug. 2, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST
So is "edgier and darker" the new "faster and more intense"?
by HapaPapa72
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Are we talking to or at one another?
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Depends on us now dont it
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But the opposite. Just live gang, Live. This seems a good place to crash, cool?
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Because they're greedy & they've got their hearts set on the money that would come from a Justice League movie. They'll be even more determined to do it, once they see the cash generated by The Avengers.
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It was OK. The filmmakers got some parts right, other parts they didn't get right. That's why it was frustrating to watch. There was a good Green Lantern film in there that could have been made, instead of the passable film that was actually made. That's why I wouldn't be suprised to see a sequel/reboot. Superhero movies routinely bring in box office of 300 to 500 million dollars worldwide. If they do the next one right, hardly anyone will care about the first one.
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You couldn't even see the bat symbol in the teaser poster...your opinion means NOTHING.You only see the obvious.
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Gonna side with the haters on this one. That film was a disaster. The only legit thing to do is wait 5 or 6 years and then reboot it from scratch with a completely new team and tell the origin story properly. (Reynolds was good, but will have to be ditched so there's no association with the current film)
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I don't think either were as bad as they were made out to be...These days sometimes the studios sabotage films for ulterior reasons....They draw up a consensus to send a message to investors or those involved with the film. Slap Ryan Reynolds hand for being cocky (Think it's a franchise, do you?) or some other magnanimous reason like cliche, teenage cheerleaders. Hollywood is in the position now not to have to make decisions based solely on money...People blindly go see their product every week-end now and technology has spread the influence of their industry...I don't think it is unreasoned to say that it simply is not always about the money anymore. GL was guaranteed to win the week-end...It's more about control and influence....Tanking a publicity agency..law firm...or talent agency's client...Making somebody look bad...Or maintaining some semblance of rivalry between two corporate entities...Marvel gets this summer...DC gets next summer
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"There was a Green Lantern movie?" OK, that was pretty darn funny, I admit. As one of the only (so it would seem) people who actually enjoyed the GL flick, I'd say I'd be fine with the "edgier, darker" idea as long as they were somehow, some way, bringing Green Arrow aboard. Throw in a little o' that "social consciousness raising" of the great GL-GA comics and I think you'd have something for the sequel. But I suspect that's not what they are thinking about. Sigh.
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They made a crucial mistake on Hal Jordons personality. In the movie he is a jokey, throw the book out the window hot shot who gets off on taking thrill ride chances. THAT IS GREEN ARROWS PERSONALITY, FUCKTARDS!!!! Hal Jordon in the comics was a good pilot because he had no fear. That's it. His lack of fear made him the choice for the ring. Otherwise, he was a by the book conformist. This character should have been played more seriously, by a more serious actor than Van Wilder or whatever the fuck his name is.
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I'd vote for the asshole Guy from Justice League Int.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST
geektard- - totally! Pissing all over Hal the whole way.
by jimbojones123
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I was really looking forward to GL, but it was atrocious. Formulaic and silly, by the numbers fluff with a completely miscast Hal Jordan. If they do a sequel (which I just can't believe considering that the first one's box office is only about HALF the budget, which means the production company will only make 25% of the budget), they should go the route of THE HULK and just reboot it entirely. Cover the origin story very briefly during the opening credits and then present us with a new Hal Jordan and a story that picks up where the first movie should've gone - with Hal Jordan training with Sinestro, only to have Sinestro go rogue.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST
GL is indeed translatable but I don't think WB got it. Their characters are team players and not as popular as Supes and Bats. They should've done the JLA first and then the solo flicks.
by The Founder
Who the hell knows these characters As solo heroes. I just feel that most people know and recognize characters like GL, Flash, Aquaman and the others as the Justice League, which is quite popular and very well known and what the audience would've loved to see. I'm not saying that they aren't unrecognizable but who really cares about a solo Flash flick when people don't even know his villains or origins outside of comics. Honestly I sure as hell don't. I just never cared about or read solo DC heroes save for Superman and Green Lantern and Bats. I think WB got it wrong. I really believe they were trying to copy Marvel. They was gonna cart them solo films out to lead up to the JLA, which is a mistake. They needed to do that first and then the solo flicks. It's just a different bag then Marvel. All that talk of jLA film not coming was hogwash. They didn't want to be first which is probably why they backed off the idea cause fans started complaining about it screwing up Bats. Which was ridicules. If the Avengers is a hit u can expect a JLA flick.
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Absolutely they should go with unknowns for superheroes. Known actors are not believable as these characters. Wonder Woman is also a failure because they won't take a serious look at the Alex Ross version and find an unknown woman to fill that roll. I'm sure if they cast their nets far enough, they'd come up with some miss fitness-type who's 5'11" with dark skin, thick black hair and blue eyes. She doesn't have to be a supermodel with fake breasts, just attractive in a Xena Warrior Princess sort of way and you'll have your iconic Wonder Woman. </p> <p. All the other characters are the same; you should only know the actors/actresses as those heroes. Chris Hemsworth worked in THOR because, though he wasn't a complete unknown, he was perfect for the role and I didn't know him from anything else, so - for me - he became Thor.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 9:28 p.m. CST
Making and GL film first before a JLA is the same as making a Cyclops film first before the Xmen.
by The Founder
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the word Lantern has to do with light why would you want to make it darker? it wasn't the tone or look, it was the story, it really really sucked. the Flash isn't dark either don't go that route.
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If you're a self-hating American, you prolly haven't realized that all four Lanterns hail from the U.S. Yes, I understand Raynor was RETCONNED to be Hispanic. That doesn't matter. He's still an AMERICAN. Unlike the left, we on the right are color blind, so that sort of thing is inconsequential. He's an American. WB made the lame decision to make Hal an a-typical, reluctant, self-doubting while self-centered hero. I.E. Play it safe, play it hip. Play it 30's. Nothing has changed here from the 80's Last Starfighter. And the movie failed as a result. During a summer where superheros like Thor and Cap have themselves embracing their call, GL fell flat. And no wonder. Americans are different people. We have the same DNA makeup, breathe oxygen the same way, need to eat and sleep to survive. Yet there is an indiscernible something that sets us apart. Don't know what it is, but what it is -- IS -- and we are humbled and grateful for it. Well, most of us are, at least. You're either a fool, lying to yourself, or have been living under a rock not to notice. Just ask someone that's French and in their 70s, or someone from Kuwait in their 30s. Yeah, "one so humble" wouldn't write this. Well, once in a while, some of us need to shrug off the humility to point out the obvious to you character assassinating Alinskyites; this lifeblood of AICN TB. If you think about it, Van Lantern was a portrayal of the worst of America, not the best, harkening back to Churchill's "Let's GO America!" where we were still a sleeping giant. Whether or not you decided to "go there" with the movie, WB still missed the opportunity to make the case that Earthlings are different people. After all, this is an American movie. And that's what I've been building up to here in this post. Hal isn't A Green Lantern. He is the BEST Green Lantern. Now, maybe the first movie had to make inroads to that. Fine. We've been there and it's been set up. Now set him apart. You don't need "dark" or "edgy" to achieve this end. You need Hal. And everything that makes him Hal. Bring that, not Van Lantern, not the made up daddy issue stuff, and we may see a JLA movie one fine day. This TB was brought to you by the TEA party suicide terrorist squad and the letter F.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST
Nice chatting about GL but I do not see another film in the future. In fact I would advise against it for now and let WB do a Justice League film first.
by The Founder
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If you call yourselves geeks, then you should be ashamed and angry at the way Marvel/DC treated Jack Kirby. Boycott everything they do: http://bit.ly/njnMGE
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Aug. 2, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST
Hollywood, shut the fuck up and admit it: Brendan Fucking Fraser has more charisma than Reynolds. Reynolds = Poor Man's Ben Affleck.
by Emperor
We no longer want to eat your bullshit. You've fed us fake movie stars (cameron diaz, seth rogen, keanu reeves, ryan reynolds, toby maguire, etc) for too long now. You've fed us fake directors, fake "special" effects, fake stories, fake dialogue, fake love scenes, etc, for fucking too long. <p> Short: You have fed us fake shit and we don't want it anymore. More and more people are going to download instead of pay money to see your rubbish. And if that means your entire bullshit fake industry goes down, then that's fine by me. All of you should be unemployed on the gutter begging for change, you good-for-nothing talentless cunts. <p> Anyway, as people have already pointed out: Reynolds is no star. He is the poor man's Ben Affleck, and Ben Affleck is no superstar either. Fuck, even fucking Brendan Fraser has more charisma and star power than this fruit loop. <p> Fucking Ben Stiller could pull off a better Hal Jordan than this idiot. And Ben Stiller is a fucking clown. <p> Oh Hollywood, and Warner Brothers, just fuck off, and take your infernal, useless "sequel" that nobody gives a cunt about, and shove it up your filthy shylock assholes and choke on it. <p>
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Aug. 2, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST
If Marvel could take Thor and turn it into a fun movie, there is no excuse for WB for screwing the pooch with GL.
by hank henshaw
Green Lantern had a poor script, terrible casting for Hal Jordan and Carol Ferris (if they really wanted Reynolds he should've been Guy Gardner), action scenes were mediocre at best, villains were unremarkable. To the people that say Superheroes can't be played by known actors: Robert Downey Jr. Okay, he is the exception that makes the rule.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST
RYAN REYNOLDS' casting doomed this movie/franchise from day one!!!
by Linguo_IS_Dead
When casting a superhero movie, you either need to cast a fresh face with talent (like Helmsworth's Thor or Bale/Maguire back in the day), or go completely inspired (like RDJ as IronMan). Picking Reynolds was simply an act of getting a good-looking young actor with a good physique on the cheap. Did anyone really think that RYAN REYNOLD's would spearhead a new billion dollar WB superhero franchise?!!! Even Henry Cavill as SUPERMAN is better casting, and I've never seen this guy in a single frame.
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AND it is SO
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They were artists for hire! They got paid to draw stuff! THE END! That doesn't mean their offspring get to draw a paycheck for-fucking-EVER! I mean, do you send the guy that painted your house a check every year? It's fucking ridiculous man!
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Would make a much better GL. I always thought Reynolds was too "jokey" and maybe even too young to play Jordan. Then again I'm hearing pretty terrible things about the script so maybe nobody have saved it.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST
They aren't going to take it completely off Earth for the same reasons Transformers won't drop the humans ...
by Epsilon
They want human drama for mainstream audiences.
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He wouldn't have been my first (or second) choice either, but for his part, he did a good job. I was pleasantly surprised. Heck, even that mask didn't look as ridiculous onscreen as it did in the stills. Unfortunately, there was just no saving this movie. Terrible script.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 10:59 p.m. CST
Maybe next time don't get the writers from Gilmore Girls and Eli Stone
by Dr. Hfuhruhurr
Go with someone edgier, like writers from Ugly Betty or maybe Sex In The City. Those guys get comic book heroes!
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Aug. 2, 2011, 11:06 p.m. CST
Warner Bros. is really screwed after Nolan is done with DKR.
by Thanos0145
1. Respect the source material. 2. Don't deviate too far from the source material if you need to make some changes. 3. Tell an interesting and entertaining story. Saying "edgier and darker" just proves that Warner Bros. has no clue what to do with their DC characters. Every character can't act like Batman.
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Aug. 2, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST
Just because Ryan Reynolds did a "good job" in the roll doesn't mean he was cast properly.
by Linguo_IS_Dead
Michael Keaton was OK as Batman, but he was never really any good (not that those Bat-films really focussed on Batman's character anyways). Any they totally altered the character/script to suit Reynolds' cocky, one-liner persona.
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is it just me or does Ryan Reynolds look like Ben Stiller when he has the Green Lantern mask on? think about it...
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So happy Kirby's family lost. Copyright claims should end at the death of the creator. Lazy progeny and spouses don't deserve dick. I remember being a youth in the '90s and hearing all about how great it is creators were getting more control over comics. These rebels founded Image and there were promises of great things to come. Image went on to create the shittiest comics in history and comics as a whole suffered.
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They should just let him be in space. Have kick ass space adventures. Let it be that STAR WARS WITH SUPERHEROES they wanted it to be. In the end they took parts of other successful superhero movies and made a by the number average superhero movie. You want to make it DARKER and EDGIER next? Just nut up and make that SPACE ADVENTURE it wanted to be. Now Captain America, THAT'S A KICK ASS ADVENTURE MOVIE! And it was set in WW2 dammit!
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Sad times when I'd (almost) rather see TF3 or Harry P than a superhero movie (partly) set in space...
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Half of you say "more space, less earth" and the other half say the opposite. If the suits are listening (yeah right) they must be totally confused.
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Please say you count LeBeoueueuf in that group! I mean I'm a guy that even like Tom Cruise, Sackron Sarsapparillffron kinda serves a purpose I guess. That chick from Sex in My Sister that everyone hates, I don't get the hate. But that LaBoyf guy is the worst fucking non-actor ever. How the hell did he get Spielberg as his personal saviour? And he keeps getting movies that don't really rely on him making an effort to pull in the cash. So his movies make big money, but never because of him. Indiana Jones, Bayformers, Money Never Stays Lets Make Laaaate Sequel. Ok, the guy who played Heineken Skywalker is up there, but he's not seen as the new golden boy suckmouth of Hollywood.
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Aug. 3, 2011, 12:18 a.m. CST
WTF? Not even M. Night's Lady in the Water bombed this horrendously
by lv_426
yet Green Lantern is sequel-worthy? I could see them sitting on it for a few years and rebooting. But this is actually kinda shocking. And for the record, I actually enjoyed the Green Lantern, but eve I can acknowledge that it was a financial flop.
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Aug. 3, 2011, 12:19 a.m. CST
Add some kills, swears and some tits and we got a hit franchise.
by Onin Solstice
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Aug. 3, 2011, 12:56 a.m. CST
Make another movie as a "buddy cop with superheroes" formula, featuring John Stewart and Guy Gardner
by Prof. Pop-Cult
I would suggest Anthony Mackie and Aaron Paul in the roles.
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I think the tone was the issue with the Green Lantern. I think the lack of a compelling villain was an issue. My only real problem was Hal acting more like Guy Gardner. But I'm interested in seeing how a "darker" does at the BO.
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They should try to get the Wachowski Bros, if they are Green Lantern fans, to reboot it. They can balance between a bit darker material (Bound, The Matrix) and lighter more colorful and cartoonish fare (Speed Racer). They understand how to make comic book style visuals translate to the screen without compromising the style of comic book framing and pacing, while also making it work in a more realistic or at least cinematic manner. The Wachowski Bros would need a big budget to go nuts with all the cosmic stuff, but I don't see Green Lantern being some low budget affair and drawing in a giant summer box office haul. Warners has a seemingly good history with the Wachowski Bros. Seems like a good way to go for them if they absolutely must reboot Green Lantern. Either that or they'd be smarter spending 200 million making seven District 9's (not seven District 9 sequels, but seven original yet high concept genre films budgeted at about 30 million). I know that's a crazy thought, original films and all. I guess I should go back to my padded cell now.
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Aug. 3, 2011, 1:18 a.m. CST
The problem with the movie was it was a remake of Top Gun/Howard the Duck.
by kabookieslap
Two movies released the same summer. One a hit and one a bomb. But Hal was definately a Maverick rip off. Reynolds should get a damn Oscar for what he did to save that turd of a script. And they even had Tim Robbins, who was in Howard the Duck. The movie looked cheap. The party scene where he saved the chopper looked like a movie set party, and then the Hot Wheels advertising was bad. They need to treat it seriously and the movie should have been about the corp not wanting Hal, him pushing on through training and defying them, and finally him saving the day and really pissing off Sinestro, who is now not the golden boy in the Corps, and that is what makes him take the yellow ring. What a waste of a movie. And I don't think Campbell had a free reign on it.
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Aug. 3, 2011, 1:19 a.m. CST
As long as they bring back 'Dawson's Creek' showrunner/'No Ordinary Family' creator Greg Berlanti to write it?
by Hercules
Color me there!!!
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Did anyone at the WB read this script and see that it was a pile of crap rip off? I mean you figure they would have learned their lesson with Superman Returns, Catwoman. They should have learned their lesson with Batman and Robin....But noooooooooooooo...
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I haven't fully made up my mind yet about La Beouff, La Poof, whatever the fuck his jew name is. LaBueouff... <p> I heard he did some okay work in 'Disturbia', but I haven't seen it. Also, keep in mind that the "etc" does apply to many actors, which may include LaBueof; however, I am reserving judgment for the time being...He does have some modicum of charisma, and I don't see a lot of other young actors playing the goofy kid in Transformers. <p> Look, Transformers is a shitty, worthless franchise, but in the first film, he was okay. The second one didn't matter who was in it, and even less so in the third. So, I'll wait and see until he gets some better material. <p> The problem with Transformers is, the first one was a bit of a gamble, and so they tried hard to make it half-decent. All the subsequent ones were just rubbish, so it didn't matter what Shia did or said. I don't like the kid as much as I like him. I am indifferent about him. Considering the material he was given, I doubt anybody else would have done a better job. <p> What makes the other "stars" i mentioned crap, is the fact that they *have* been given decent material to work with, and they are as interesting as a box of pig shit: <p> Cameron Diaz has been pushed down our throats since 'The Mask.' Look, she was fine in 'Something about Mary', but that's because almost any halfway decent looking chick could have played that role, which is why her presence didn't matter. She has never been particularly attractive, but when she was younger, she was okay. Something about Mary might have been the time for her to quite movies. Everything else since, has been utter waste of celluloid. She has been pushed down our throats for no reason -- she ain't hot, she ain't a good actress, she ain't charismatic; she has no presence. <p> Same thing can be said about Keanu Reeves. Matrix was great material to work with. But he was a boring cunt. Same with Toby Maguire. Spiderman was fine. But he was just a boring, uninspiring, worthless piece of shit in it. I never found myself rooting for him. I wanted the pale dickhead to be beaten up all the time. This is not a good thing for your titular hero...<p> And so forth. So basically, Actors who are shoved down our throats, are ones, who are repeatedly cast in decently written roles, which they repeatedly screw up in. Ryan Reynolds, will never be interesting to watch (or listen to). <p> End of story. Everybody should just accept it and move on, not least of all Reynold's agent.
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too Earth-bound, I think a change of scenery for the new film would work wonders.
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Find writers who are fans of the comic. Get a director who is good. Martin Campbell is an ok director, but let's face it, he's not great with characters or a real plot. He did a good job with the Bond films, but they follow a specific formula. And they need better casting. I don't mind them bringing back Reynolds, but Blake needs to go. She was horrible in the movie. And they guy who played the brother wasn't very good either.
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Dark Lantern: THE CITIZENS OF SLEEPY-HOLLOW-TROPOLIS NEED ME. TIME TO PUT ON MY PUMPKIN HEAD MASK, AND WHOOP SOME THUG ASS! Chief Van Tassel: Goddamnit Ich, I'm sick of your fucking speeches. Sleepy-hollow-trolpolis is no goddamn safer now than it was before you came. Sure you defeated the headless horseman and killed Katrina Van Tassel, my fucking bitch wife, but what can one man do with a rotting Pumpkin and some hope? Dark Lantern: I must go to PumkOaah and convene with the other Dark Lanterns. Ext: Moon base: Michael Bay Sunset: Tripple sun: Day: PumkOaah: 1;30PM EST (sic) Mogwhai Paladin: Ichabod, nice to see you. You still listening to that emo-mix-tape-mp3 I burned for you? Dark Lantern: Yeah, and I'm feeling really dark, and sad. Thanks. Mogwhai Paladin: Sure thing dude, I'm glad were setting an extremely dark tone here. You want some of these country grits? Dark Lantern: You can never be too gritty. INT: Mess hall: Grits station 225 Dark Lantern: Waiter, bring me more. Waitertron5200: Sir, you have exceeded the safety limit of the parameters of my program. I cannot serve you any more grits, it would be TOO GRITTY for modern audiences to handle. Dark Lantern: Mogwhai, order up some grits. I've got shit to do. EXT: Skull Island: Bay of Sleepy-Hollow-Tropolis The Gubna: Soon my plan will be complete. I will replace the water supply of Sleepy-Hollow-Tropolis with Oskar Blues Gubna Imperial Double IPA. With the city drunk, I can use the power of yellow (a very Pilsnery yellow) to influence the sweet young lady of my choosing, but they would of course be 18 plus don't worry. Ah yes, I would seduce all the women of the world...ahahhahahahhaha...but who could stop me? WHo would want to??!? Minion: Sir, I have Dark lantern on radar. The Gubna: Bring up beer-scope 7, now! *claymation beerscope rises up from shitty-rendered CGI skull island* Dark Lantern: Ah Gubna, up to your old tricks, huh? Well I'm a true, Gen1 American, buddy...and guess what? I drink cheap American macro lagers, because that's what Steven Segal would do. Guess it's Lantern Time bitch! The Gubna: My bloods 10% ABV Dark Lantern, take your best shot, I won't feel a thing. My security forces will then take care of you...and with you out of my way, I will be seducing every legal aged Philly in town, amking sweet pg-13 love to them. Starting with Tracy Van Tassel, your cousin! Dark Lantern: But she just turned 18! The Gubna: True. But hey that's all good, no laws being broken, were all good here. Pg-13's all around. Dark Lantern: Form of Pumpkin Head! Might of Jaguar! Crystal force unite! *Ichabod valiantly transforms into a giant pumpkin critter and kills The Gubna dead* Dark Lantern: Yipee Kiiyyeeeahayaaa muther *laser shot* Chief Van Tassel: You fool, I WANTED the Gubna to impregnate little Tracy (hey folks shes 18 it's cool OK????!?!?!) so we could have some political pull in the blood line again. I've betrayed yo Dark Lantern. Dark Lantern: That laser shot could have killed me, not cool man. But nice on keeping it Pg-13. Laser shot totally cover up my swearing and now this can go on TBS. ~FIN~
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You're right on the money... but I'll add one more thing, hire a director that understands the language of comic books, and one who can translate the imagery to the screen. Not just how costumes and locations within the comic look, but the way things should move when one reads the comic and imagines what these illustrated panels would look like in motion. The problem is that very few directors really truly understand the actual language of comic books. The Wachowski Brothers nailed in with not only The Matrix Trilogy, but also to some extent even Bound. M. Night Shyamalan did it with Unbreakable. Although, that was a bit of a different style than the standard bombastic action-packed superhero comic. Zack Snyder and Robert Rodriguez did it with Sin City and 300, although to a lesser degree of creative risk because those were both more or less direct translations of the comic book panels of each of those adaptations. Joe Johnston captured it with Captain America. Even the Iron Man films, to a smaller degree did this pretty well. This is actually what kind of bugs me about Nolan's Batman films. Now, don't get me wrong, I do like his Bat films, but the one thing that I feel he has sacrificed in his realistic and noirish take on the character, is the absence of a true comic book feel. Nolan obviously made the choice to take Batman from the pages of the comic book reality and put him in a cinematic reality. What I really like about the Marvel films and something like The Matrix or Sin City and 300, is that they actually come out with all guns blazing in terms of being proud to be comic books put into the medium of film. So WB saying the Green Lantern sequel will be better mainly because they are going to make it darker and grittier is just fucking wrong on so many levels it isn't even funny.
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Spider-Man and Flash Gordon.
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Lacking in suck?
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That said, what I think worked with the JL/U series and First Flight movie was that we got a new story inspired by the comics, as opposed to a warmed over retelling of GL Secret Origins that underused the Corps. I say they go further with Terry Berg as Green Lantern for the next movie. Ok, Dumbledore has not hurt the numbers on Potter.
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At least there might of been some laughs in it.
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And the edge to it.
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Aug. 3, 2011, 2:54 a.m. CST
Haters...It made more money than Cowboys vs Aliens...and Smurfs.
by Zurge
And was better than Marvel's.... Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider, All 3 Punisher movies, and FF. http://www.darkhorizons.com/features/1581/what-re-the-most-acclaimed-comic-book-films (This includes reviews, critics, box office)
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We all live on this bitch, and it's boring compared to the infinite space known as the universe... bring on the aliens & strange new worlds!! My favorite part of the movie was when that crew of random aliens crash landed on that random piece of rock and sent out a distress signal while they hoofed it in space suits... fuck ya!!
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Aug. 3, 2011, 3:39 a.m. CST
Screw Ryan Reynolds ... get BURT REYNOLDS for the sequel
by Bruce_the_Shark
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No, really. Sure it wasn't great, but entertaining enough. It didn't rape the comics like the Schumacher Batman movies did and it was fun to watch. Really want to see a second movie with the sinestro corps war. It seems that WB has the right idea by having it play out more in space.
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For all it's problems, I still really enjoyed GREEN LANTERN. Matter of fact, I thought it was way better than THOR. Make the sequel a crazy intergalactic cop movie with tons of weird ass monsters and only one human...Hal Jordan.
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EXECUTIVE We at the network want a dog with attitude. He's edgy, he's "in your face." You've heard the expression "let's get busy"? Well, this is a dog who gets "biz-zay!" Consistently and thoroughly. KRUSTY So he's proactive, huh? EXECUTIVE Oh, God, yes. We're talking about a totally outrageous paradigm. MEYER Excuse me, but "proactive" and "paradigm"? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important? Not that I'm accusing you of anything like that. I'm fired, aren't I?
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... then this is good news for all of you Abrams Trek fanboys, because this means that Abrams Trek 2 will have all good chances to really happen, despiste all the hesitations and fucking around that's been going on. Good news for you, guys.
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Aug. 3, 2011, 5:36 a.m. CST
Speaking of Burt Reynold,s has anybody seen how he looks lately? That's one bad face plastic surgery right there!
by AsimovLives
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...wait till the guys at Fanedit get their hands on this. I'm sure there's an exciting movie waiting to get out. Apparently there are many deleted scenes too... it'll happen. I'm generally in agreement that WB dropped the ball, so rich was the GL universe... how could anyone fail, right..? Casting an actor who usually plays unsympathetic smart-asses (and generally tends to divide audiences before a film has even begun) in the title role didn't help. Sure, Jordan's a cocky SOB but once he gets the ring from Abin Sur he very quickly stops his childish/selfish behaviour and picks up the mantle of the GL. They left that way too late in the movie.
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Hal had problems. Self-doubt was never one of them. He should have been more self-assured - until Kilowog kicked his butt in training anyway. More time in space? Sure. Get the details right, people. The only way his ring could have thrown real, yellow/red flames is if it had created a container into which it had pumped fuel. Did they do that scene and then edited it out? Because I sure didn't see anything of the sort. Ditto the plane exhausts. Should have been green flame. Come on, basic stuff like that and they can't get it right?! Oh and, needs Arisia. 8-)))~
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Let's shoot for that. Let's shoot for a GL movie that doesn't suck. Also, um, Space Cops? How about you set your Space Cops movie in space. Thanks.
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You like so many terrible tv shows it's hard to tell sometimes.
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should be Hal and Kilowog with their backs against the wall, fighting Manhunters who have some sort of quantum weapon built into them. No just big robots, but humanoid AIs who have a weapon nearly as good as a Ring. (Accent on the nearly, because their weapon can't change shape and purpose the way a Ring can.) Hal can say "If we beat Parallax, why are we in so much trouble now?" Kilowog replies "You can trick an insane monster, but you can't fool these Manhunters. They think that *we're* the bad guys."
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The "universe" of Green Lantern is probably a lot to swallow in one movie. Since Hal Jordan was also new to it, the first movie should have been very focused. Get to learn about his character, maybe develop personality for some of the others (like Carol), and give him time to learn how to use the power (just like the audience). Then the sequel could have had the Corps-threatening uber-villain that was used in the actual 1st movie. But too late for that now.
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A movie is not a comic book.
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The folks at DC think that having a hero be incompetent makes him interesting. Marvel knows better. Tony Start may be a jerk, but when he puts on his armor, he's very good at what he does. The reason that Batman is DC's number on hero is that he KNOWS what he's doing.
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The problem with the first Green Lantern is there is almost no wit. Therefore, no fun. Captain America, on the other hand, had a lot of drama and action but had a ton of wit and funny writing sprinkled throughout. This is what all comic book movies require. Batman is the only one I've seen that's been able to get away with not doing a lot of wit...
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I remember it's opening was fine, and everyone I know saw it, so I just assumed it did fine. At any rate, it wasn't perfect, but I like and recommended it. I might even buy the Blu Ray...not sure, but it's Green Lantern for crying out loud! At any rate, I like the story in the animated First Flight (the 2008 one, whatever it was called) better, but I still liked it, and I'm THRILLED that there's going to be a sequel, and "edgier and darker" sounds just fine to me.
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Aug. 3, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST
"Second GREEN LANTERN "Edgier And Darker"?" Shouldn't that be Greener?
by AsimovLives
Yeah, i know, lame pun. But somebody had to do it, might as well be me.
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Aug. 3, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST
I still have trouble telling apart the Green Lantern and the Green Hornet. It's all that green.
by AsimovLives
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He can go all Parallax and shit. Oh, and dump Ryan Reynolds.
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Huh, I guess school started for him already. Grade schools are starting earlier and earlier these days. I hope he got his Pee Chee folders ready to go!
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edgier? darker? these are the same buzzwords that get used whenever discussing a sequel to a bomb. what's next? wait a few years to do a reboot with Kyle Rayner (despite how many of his characteristics they tried to force onto Hal)? or how about a script and director with a clear vision that lacks constant input and changes by committee DURING production. Marvel brings in their guys during the writing stage and DC wonders why they have better results. Every problem with Green Lantern could have been fixed at the script level.
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But not really. not in real life they don't.
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Look at what Kick-Ass did at the box office – the studio will either want a PG13 version of Deadpool, or they would have to warp the story to make him a more sympathetic protagonist And, do you really think they’re going to go with a horribly disfigured Ryan Reynolds? Deadpool is an entertaining character, he’s also psychotic and amoral, not really the character that’s going to show up on Burger King tie-ins…
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I think Viggeo took a summer job as GenderBender's cabana boy for the month of August. You know, oiling up her hairy nipples and such.
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I didn't think school started for another few weeks. Them nipples ain't gonna oil themselves.
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Aug. 3, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST
FIRST HALF OF GREEN LANTERN SHOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE "THE RIGHT STUFF"
by Darth Busey
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Aug. 3, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST
AND THE SECOND HALF AND ANY SEQUELS SHOULD BE LIKE ORIGINAL STAR WARS
by Darth Busey
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Aug. 3, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST
"EDGIER AND DARKER" HAVE NO PLACE IN THE GREEN LANTERN STORYLINE
by Darth Busey
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Aug. 3, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST
SHOULD BE BIG COSMIC ADVENTURE WITH LOTS OF STRANGE ALIEN CHARACTERS
by Darth Busey
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Aug. 3, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST
IF YOU WANT COMIC RELIEF, BRING IN THE GUY GARDNER OR OLIVER QUEEN CHARACTERS. HAL SHOULD NOT BE A JOKESTER.
by Darth Busey
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Aug. 3, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST
HAL SHOULD ONLY BE ON EARTH FOR THE FIRST 5 MINUTES OF ANY SEQUELS
by Darth Busey
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Aug. 3, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST
RYAN REYNOLDS SHOULD HAVE WATCHED SAM SHEPARD'S PERFORMANCE OF CHUCK YEAGER FOR INSPIRATION
by Darth Busey
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Aug. 3, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST
NOW "THAT" IS HOW TO PROPERLY PORTRAY FEARLESSNESS AND EXTREME CONFIDENCE IN ONE'S OWN ABILITIES
by Darth Busey
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Aug. 3, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST
See I think they should have gone more with the campy and self parodying end of the spectrum with GL
by THAT_SAID_THE_CHOPPAH
I mean he's a dude with a magic ring that allows him to fly around and make giant cartoon fists out of thin air. I also would have gone with an actor well versed in comedic cornball like Cuba Gooding Jr. Yeah, plus racial tokenism is all the rage in Comic Book adaptations these days. So there's that.
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Even Wonka would like to punch Hollywood for this.
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Green Lantern sucked.
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Even my dad, who enjoyed GL in his youth, felt there was too much angsting over the girl, and time on Earth once he got his Lantern powers under control. Dad, a long-time DC verse buddy, and I all felt the tone was good. Just enough of smart-ass Jordon w/o overdoing it. But now that he IS the Lantern for that sector - do yer job, Hal. ^_^
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Aug. 3, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST
darth busey, Sam Sheppard in THE RIGHT STUFF was the shit. Best portait of a pilot i ever seen on film.
by AsimovLives
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Should people boycott baseball because the guys that helped make the different franchises great didn't get the big payday that future athletes enjoy? Get fucking real. Kirby may have never gotten rich drawing comics but he did ok for himself. Additionally these properties wouldn't even be around now if it hadn't been for Marvel and DC's dedication to keeping these characters relevant; not to mention the contributions of future creators. The very idea that Kirby's heirs should own the rights of characters that Kirby was hired to draw is as ridiculous as claiming Kirby created Spider-man (a claim the Kirby estate actually tried to make!). Do I wish that Kirby had been given greater finical reward for helping create so many legendary comic characters? Sure, but even if that was the case I don't think that he should own any part of those creations. He was a work for hire artist that knew how the industry worked at that time, get the fuck over it.
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This book was on its last legs and Geoff Johns brought it back with blood and violence. And hot alien girls. And action.
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The core of GL is not edgier and darker. It was "saved" because the book lacked GOOD compelling stories not because it was edgier. Geoff Johns would write a better GL film regardless if it was edgy or darker... and yes, the action would be improved but also have a logical reason for happening. Don't take us to space and then fight it out on earth.
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LOL! After writing the missive above about my kid no longer wanting anything to do with GL, I got home to find that he'd scored a new Made-in-China GL lunchbox from his mom while at Target. So, clearly this is what they're banking on for sequel bucks.
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How would that turn out?
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Aug. 3, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST
Both DC and Marvel have a Captain Marvel. In fact Marvel had 3 heroes who used the Captain Marvel name.
by The Founder
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Aug. 3, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST
Whoever said RR should've been cast as Guy is spot on. I still won't dismiss RR, he did a good job as Hal, but WB couldn't resist letting Reynolds ham it up a lil bit.
by The Founder
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The terrible reviews was number one. The character didn't have the popularity like TF enough to be critic proof. Next, WB don't get it yet. Characters like GL, Flash, and d@mn near all the heroes that have been on the JLA with the exception of Bats and Supes are like Xmen. You have to make that team movie first and then do spin offs. It's like if Marvel had made a Cyclops movie before doing Xmen. People don't care enough about them and know them. They are familiar with the characters but know they belong on the Superfriends or JLA. Lastly having Hal doubt himself and just changing his personality. Hal was confidence and faced off against danger. He controlled his fear. Hal may have doubted himself in private but on the field he put up.
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They're right, the decent opening shows there's definitely an audience out there for this character. I think Green Lantern has a lot of potential. That they failed to meet. I haven't seen it yet, the trailer looks kinda cheesy, the reviews were terrible, and the fanboys on the internet bashed it to pieces. I'm exactly the sort of person that would normally pay to see a Green Lantern movie. Another problem with making a sequel is the budget. I'd imagine they would want to slash the budget, but this isn't the type of movie where you want to hold back with the effects.
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Marvel had or has the same problems with Jack Kirby's descendants. Seems to me in this case that the relatives may be getting screwed, but maybe this is not the end of the fight: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/ny-judge-marvel-owns-rights-spider-man-x-211944586.html
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Aug. 3, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST
winona_ryders_pussy_juice, Check GL out when you can, not great but not NEAR the malice it recieved
by axelfoley
Really.
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Aug. 3, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST
My first impression:" I really don't give a fuck about aliens"
by chien_sale
Star Trek succeeded despite having aliens not because they were aliens. most of people do not care about this geek stuff.
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it was like watching a videogame and the characterisation did not feel real.
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From Super 8 and Friday Night Light. He looks like a fighter pilot. He can play cocky but without overwhelming the character into becoming a goof. Chandler looks lime hero.
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Aug. 3, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST
The next one should be darker and quieter so no one will be able to see or hear it.
by Finch
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I've said it before id say it again... that story is so damned powerful and darker than any comic ive read in my lifetime. and i wasnt even a green lantern fan i usually read dc. but damned i became a fan after reading the trade paperback graphic novels. they was awesome. I've even got the blackest night... If they do it it needs to be a gritty pg-13 where death and violence is heavily implied... Or a light R...which is not something warner bros wants because they want kids to see it, but damn an uncut directors version on blu-ray would be awesome. Secondly hire a director who knows his source material and can shoot action scenes. next get 4 human green lanterns worth putting on screen!!! next have michael clarke duncan play kilowog for real... jim henson's creature shop even though it's closed im sure for the right price can get some incredible makeup and bodysuit to portray the character right.. Movies are not hard to make... It's usually the buracracy and management which kills the production and the project never hits the screen the way it was created...
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When Hal starting doing the pimp walk to a cheesy soundtrack, I almost ran out the theater! It was the scene on OA when he felt proud that he was mastering the ring, followed by a lame pimp walk and even more lame 70's funk music. All they need is a better story and less hype.
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GL wins as the king of the uninspired non-trying wanna-be blockbusters. " Hal goes to IO or whatever and he's there for two minutes has a video-game-ish sword fight with Sinestro. Sinestro says he's a chicken with a heart full of fear and Hal just up and leaves!! And the rest of the movie we're just sitting there enduring these endless scenes of Hal talking about how scared he is. And NOTHING HAPPENS!!! You guys saying "It's not so bad" really need to watch better movies. Because where I come from Green Lantern was worse than bad it was a big zero, a cypher. Pure nothing-ness. I walked out and said, What the hell was the point of that? Please nerds, stop encouraging these bullshit cash grabs badly disguised as movies. They'll just do it again. Except Darker. Edgier.
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Aug. 4, 2011, 5:03 a.m. CST
When people say this movie is not as terrible as most AICN reviewers make it out to be, i believe it. That's not my fear for this movie. No, my fear is that the movie might be uninteresting. Milquetoast. Banal. A "who cares" thing.
by AsimovLives
At least a truly bad movie one can go passionate in disliking, despiste the waste of time. A bland banality is just a waste of time with nothing to it.
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Aug. 4, 2011, 5:04 a.m. CST
Beside,s outside USA, Green Lantern might as well not exist. To call it an obscure character is to do it too much justice. It's even below obscure.
by AsimovLives
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Kirby's situation is much different than Siegel and Shusters. Those guys created Superman and THEN tried to find a publisher. When the company that would become DC finally did publish the character in Action Comics #1, they took the rights with it. That's a raw deal, and that's why the family won back the Superman origin rights recently. Kirby did not create the Fantastic Four or Hulk or X-men and then go to Marvel and say "Hey, you want to publish this?". He was an artist working for the company whose JOB it was to draw and help create comic book characters for the company. He was a work for hire artist, not some creator who got his work stolen from him. That's why his family lost that case, and why they should not be awarded anything. I agree that Kirby could have been taken care of better, but his heirs are just a bunch of assholes. Especially when you consider that they have the audacity to claim that Kirby created Spider-man, one of the only characters of that time that he had NOTHING to do with (but he's a valuable property, so what the hell, lets try and steal the copyright).
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Aug. 5, 2011, 1:38 a.m. CST
I don't think it was being Earth-bound that caused its problems...
by Drake Steele
...I think it's actually more of a matter of the final battle being a letdown. There was a great buildup to this final battle with this creature that feeds off of fear, and as it should be generally devastating Earth's populace from having so much fear generated... instead it goes after one person at a time... it's own minion that of course is scared shitless of it... and a Green Lantern who has the power needed to contain and deal with it if he actually thought about how to do it... but instead it single-mindedly follows him into space to try to kill him... only to find its own firey demise in our sun in just a few minutes. Bing, bam, boom, it's over. Goes from kill minion to space, to looks like Hal's gonna bite the big one in the sun, to a switcheroo where he punches old yellow-glow into the sun and bam. Done. In minutes. After an hour of build-up. Just too damned anti-climactic if you ask me.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 1:38 a.m. CST
I don't think it was being Earth-bound that caused its problems...
by Drake Steele
...I think it's actually more of a matter of the final battle being a letdown. There was a great buildup to this final battle with this creature that feeds off of fear, and as it should be generally devastating Earth's populace from having so much fear generated... instead it goes after one person at a time... it's own minion that of course is scared shitless of it... and a Green Lantern who has the power needed to contain and deal with it if he actually thought about how to do it... but instead it single-mindedly follows him into space to try to kill him... only to find its own firey demise in our sun in just a few minutes. Bing, bam, boom, it's over. Goes from kill minion to space, to looks like Hal's gonna bite the big one in the sun, to a switcheroo where he punches old yellow-glow into the sun and bam. Done. In minutes. After an hour of build-up. Just too damned anti-climactic if you ask me.
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Aug. 5, 2011, 1:38 a.m. CST
I don't think it was being Earth-bound that caused its problems...
by Drake Steele
...I think it's actually more of a matter of the final battle being a letdown. There was a great buildup to this final battle with this creature that feeds off of fear, and as it should be generally devastating Earth's populace from having so much fear generated... instead it goes after one person at a time... it's own minion that of course is scared shitless of it... and a Green Lantern who has the power needed to contain and deal with it if he actually thought about how to do it... but instead it single-mindedly follows him into space to try to kill him... only to find its own firey demise in our sun in just a few minutes. Bing, bam, boom, it's over. Goes from kill minion to space, to looks like Hal's gonna bite the big one in the sun, to a switcheroo where he punches old yellow-glow into the sun and bam. Done. In minutes. After an hour of build-up. Just too damned anti-climactic if you ask me.
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Aug. 7, 2011, 3:09 a.m. CST
wildcard_comics, re: Haters...It made more money than Cowboys vs Aliens...and Smurfs
by Immortal_Fish
And was better than Marvel's.... Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider, All 3 Punisher movies, and FF. ... Only those were Fox/Other movies. Not Marvel/Disney movies. Care to try again?
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