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Want To See What The Gods
Of Westeros Look Like??

Published at: July 29, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST

I am – Hercules!!

HBO is already hard at work cranking out the new season-two "Game of Thrones" episodes subscribers will be seeing next spring.

My understanding is everybody in Westeros is going to Hell because none of them worship Our Savior Jesus Christ on His throne high in Heaven.

Instead, the Westerosians waste their time bowing and scraping before “the new gods,” and photos have emerged demonstrating what these deities look like, snapped in Casterly Roc... er,  Castlerock, Northern Ireland:

I’m told none of the New Gods are named “Sex” or “Horror.”

Find all of Blastr’s story on the matter here.

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  • July 29, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Bron and The Hound live near me

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    and Shagga lives up the road. Actually a true story

  • July 29, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Can anyone confirm with a link

    by Detective_Fingerling

    regarding whether or not season 2 will have 10 episodes or 12? I can't imagine why they would limit the number of episodes to 10 again.

  • July 29, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I can confirm without a link

    by Hercules

    there will only be 10 episodes in season two.

  • July 29, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    I see 5, maybe 6, where is the stranger and the mother?

    by moorE12

  • July 29, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST

    RE: why only 10 eps

    by OgieOglethorpe

    Scheduling & budget. An interview I read said they'd have to sacrifice too much quality to stretch it to 12 eps. Hopefully for season 3 we'll see 12 or 15 hours... Storm of Swords is a monster!

  • July 29, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Here's your link, Fingerling.

    by DutchDrunk

    David Benioff and Dan Weiss simply weren’t capable of writing two additional episodes per season and still remain as involved in the production as they recently are.

  • July 29, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Right...So quotation marks are ignored?

    by DutchDrunk

    Love this comment system. That was a quote from the interview, you can read the rest on the site and the link they have on it.

  • July 29, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    by DutchDrunk

    http://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/HBO_Execs_and_GRRM_on_Game_of_Thrones/

  • July 29, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    by DutchDrunk

    Bloody hell.

  • July 29, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Sweet

    by Jeff

    Anything associated with this series I'm interested in. Its writers and directors took chances, cast amazingly well for the story's characters, and dramatically "went there," giving us what I thought was a thoroughly kickass miniseries. I can't fucking wait for the second season of it!

  • July 29, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    I guess if I don't know what the F show this is...

    by jimmy_009

    ...I shouldn't be reading it anyway. But what show is this supposed to be? It helps to mention it someplace.

  • July 29, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    test.

    by UltimaRex

    I saw something and I'm testing it out. Don't mind me.

  • July 29, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    "I guess if I don't know what the F show this is..."

    by Gene Cowan

    Just realized that this article failed to mention the name of the show. Of course anyone watching it knows right away what it is by the mention of Westeros, but anyone else is probably like "...WTF?" haha. Jimmy_009, I'm not going to tell you what show it is, either.

  • July 29, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    test failed.

    by UltimaRex

    Curses!

  • July 29, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Season 2 storyline

    by Gene Cowan

    If I may request some spoiler-free responses (which may be too much to ask, I know) ... How different is the tone/feel of Clash of Kings compared to AGoT? Dozens of new characters? Are we introduced to a lot more areas, or does most of the action take place in what we (mostly) already know?

  • July 29, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    ultimarex, what are you testing?

    by Gene Cowan

    I know the answer to what you're looking for.

  • July 29, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST

    I don't know what any of this means?

    by sweeneydave

    It's like you're speaking a different language. Any enlightenment for me?

  • July 29, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Is this one of those wacky british comedies?

    by sweeneydave

    I see tourists on a beach interacting with a gang of chocolate college professors.

  • July 29, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Frankie Say Two Tribes!

    by SnootyBoots

  • July 29, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    We are supposed to know what show you are talking about?

    by bierce

    Is there a show called The Gods Of Westeros?

  • July 29, 2011, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Ahh, it's about Game of Thrones

    by Fremen

    In case you didn't know what this article was about, it's about HBO's Game of Thrones. dutch_drunk posted a link up-thread that lead me to that revelation, otherwise I wouldn't have known either.

  • July 29, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Season 3 will be split into 2 seasons

    by Titus05

    my sources tell me that...they also can confirm that Season 2 will be 10 episodes

  • July 29, 2011, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Post fail! Had to Google Westeros ...

    by thepentaveret

    ... to learn this was about GAME OF THRONES.

  • July 29, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by torontoxic

    Ya I have no fucking idea what this about either. All I see is some anti Christian glazed bullshit post and then some shitty sculptures on a beach. Context? Anyone?

  • July 29, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the info guys

    by Detective_Fingerling

    So depressing that we're missing out on about 96 minutes of extra scenes. A Storm of Swords BETTER be two seasons. I just feel like the Stannis/Melisandre storyline is going to be massively rushed and not really explained well.

  • July 29, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    gene_the_cows_lsd_milk

    by Mockingbuddha

    I think this leaves out any important SPOILERS, assuming you know season one, but it gives some general ideas of where it's going. If season two follows book two pretty closely, then the death of RB leads to several people, some of whom are new and dangerous characters, declaring themselves kings and fighting it out. So there will be lots of battles, probably mostly offscreen. Bran needs more screen time to keep pace with the book's plot. Jon Snow has a lot to do. Dany's story is pretty much marking time waiting for her pets to grow up (she does have some cool scenes though), but if you like Tyrion, Book Two is his time to shine! Basically, put Tyrion where Ned was in season one and see how much better he is at it. Some awesome stuff to come. To me, Storm was much more compelling overall, though Clash was very cool because of so much Tyrion.

  • July 29, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    10 episodes only per season (no spoilers)

    by spacechampion

    It will always be only 10 episodes per season. From what I've read following winter-is-coming.net it takes a full year to do those 10 episodes. HBO has made it absolutely clear they will not wait longer than a year to put out a new season. Therefore, 12 episodes would be impossible in the 52 weeks it takes to produce the show. Script writing and casting and pre-production runs from March to July, production runs from late July (first week of production just completed today) until December, then editing, compositing, scoring and other VFX works lasts until March. That's a full year. Two more episodes would take about another 6-8 weeks, meaning every season would slip the premiere date nearly two months -- which HBO refused to do. Season 2 will include parts of Book 3, and I think they will shorten some of Book 2's parts like Arya's journey, Jon's story, and a lot of the beginning part of Tyrion's machinations in King's Landing. We will get some of Jaime's story from Book 3 in season 2, and we likely will see a bit of Robb's warpath in the riverlands and the westerlands. All subsequent seasons will be 10 episodes long, but book 3 will probably be 1.5 seasons, and book 4&5 might be 2.5 seasons.

  • July 29, 2011, 9:22 p.m. CST

    CoK is Season 2, SoS 3 and 4

    by Liveone

    Martin clearly states in his ComiCon interview over at Comicbookresources that Clash is season two and Swords will be two seasons long.

  • July 29, 2011, 10:04 p.m. CST

    These will have NOTHING on the Argonath

    by EphramSamuels

    ...but nice effort.

  • July 29, 2011, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Count down to dancingforevers arrival

    by skycrapper

    If I were the unintiated to these books I would stear clear of dancingforevers comments. Oh and Winter-Is-Coming.net has a better night shot of these statues in action.

  • July 29, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    The only thing I did not like about book five

    by Turingtestee

    The three dornishmen storyline. Pointless.

  • July 29, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    Now someone get to work on Book of the New Sun

    by Turingtestee

  • July 29, 2011, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Westeros LOL

    by Gezoes

    If you don't know what this is about, don't bother. Go watch CNSNCIS: Somanieth town or any simple-story-in-45-minutes show. Scram.

  • July 29, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Are they to be the ones at Dragonstone?

    by Turingtestee

  • July 29, 2011, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Not everybody worships the seven.

    by nostairway

    The Northmen (including the Starks) worship the Old Gods and the Iron Men worship the Drowned God. And then there's the lord of Light, whom Stannis worships. In other words, religion is just as stupid and absurd in Westeros as it is here.

  • July 29, 2011, 11:16 p.m. CST

    I think season 2 will go past CoK and delve into SoS.

    by fanboy71

    They already put some things from Clash of Kings into the first season, so it seems they are trying to move the story along. I also bet they put quit a bit of A Feast for Crows into Season 3, because there is less action and more political intrigue in AFFC than in the other books. I am about 1/3 of the way through A Dance with Dragons, and I'm wondering what the hell I am going to do when I'm done with it and there are no more books for a couple of years (at least). Martin has ruined me for every other Author out there. Can anyone suggest a similiar series of books that can hold me over until The Winds of Winter hits shelves in 2031?

  • July 30, 2011, 12:13 a.m. CST

    game of gays

    by d_fens1969

  • July 30, 2011, 1:42 a.m. CST

    They're going to Rome this, I can feel it.

    by Jaka

    I don't think they're ever going to film the entire series. I mean, I hope they do, but I'm just not getting the good vibes from it. Or, maybe they're only doing 10 episodes because they're going to spend more money on each one of them. I guess that would work. But if S1 was really a big success you'd think they go for 12 or 13 episodes in S2.

  • July 30, 2011, 3 a.m. CST

    So they worship Dumbledore

    by ReportAbuse

  • July 30, 2011, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Miniseries?

    by Lee

    A ten hour series is hardly a mini-series. Plus each episode ran for ~50 or so minutes; that itself puts it at a similar running time to most 13 episode seasons. Bar the poor-handling of Khal Drogo's injury, which was definitely a mis-step, the rest of the plot points were given time to mature. It definitely didn't feel rushed. Agreed on Storm of Swords requiring 3-5 more hours, though. Those books are tomes.

  • July 30, 2011, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Fanboy71

    by DutchDrunk

    To fill the gap I started reading Robin Hobb's 'Assassins Apprentice' and subsequent books to fill the gap. Not really similar since it only follows one character's point of view, but it does deal with some politics and I find it to be really enjoyable so far. Just started the 2nd book 'Royal Assassin'. Martin will be releasing an extra book before 'Winds of Winter', kind of like Tolkien did, explaining more about the history of Westeros. Enjoy DoD though, tis good! Though frustrating somewhat, especially because you know it's gonna be a long wait to see what happens next.

  • July 30, 2011, 5:06 a.m. CST

    d_fens1969 - stupid trolling bastard.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • July 30, 2011, 5:12 a.m. CST

    jaka - S1 WAS fucking massive!!! The only issue they may have later...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...is disinterest from a general audience as fan-boy love alone won't be able to keep this thing alive.

  • July 30, 2011, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Hey everyone? Is GoT really worth reading?

    by tangcameo

    I haven't started reading the series yet (let alone seeing the tv series) and am wondering if it's really worth getting into. I like a good fantasy read each summer but sometimes the fantasy novels I pick get too wrapped up in their own mythologies/politics or kind of peter out before the series reaches its climax or conclusion (looking at you Riverworld and you Dark Tower). Should I invest my time in reading this series? Or should I just read the first? Or just skip the books and watch the tv series?

  • July 30, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Tangcameo

    by DutchDrunk

    Read the books, you will definitely not regret it. I started reading the books after watching 2 episodes of the series. After reading only half of the first book, I immediately bought the rest of the series. It was just that damn good.

  • July 30, 2011, 7:15 a.m. CST

    gene_the_cows_lsd_milk

    by UltimaRex

    I (briefly) saw the edit button...

  • Me, i'm personal to Crom myself. Not because i live my life by a warrior code and follow his dictates, but because he's the coolest.

  • July 30, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST

    GAME OF THRONES kicks ass.

    by AsimovLives

    That's all there is to be said about it. Short and sweet.

  • July 30, 2011, 8:14 a.m. CST

    HBO series episodes per season... typically 12 or less.

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    But you have to remember that there are no commercial interruptions, and each episode tends to run nearly a full hour. Compare that to the 41-to-43 minute runtime of most scripted dramas (whether it's on a basic cable or major broadcast network). If you calculate the total running time of footage you get to see, the 10 episodes of GOT's first season runs well over the runtime total of 13 episodes of a drama on basic cable or network.

  • July 30, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST

    ****SPOILER FOR NON BOOK READERS****

    by BilboRing

    I assume these are the 7 that Melissandre will be burning on Dragonstone. Nooch.

  • July 30, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    tangcameo, as much as I love the HBO series...

    by BilboRing

    They pale in comparrison to the books. Like GRRM said at his book signing in NYC a few weeks ago, the mind and imagination has no budget limitations or series constraints. Best series ever.

  • July 30, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Tangcameo Say "Remind me of Confucious"

    by tangcameo

    Actually they remind me more of the logo on my favourite Chinese cafe. hehe Thanks for the opinions fellow AICNers. I welcome more, especially from the head honchos with their black label posts. If someone passes me a copy of GoT or I find one, I'll give it a go.

  • July 30, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST

    There are 7 "New Gods" - but I count 5 in the photos.

    by Veraxus

    Is this even GoT-related?

  • July 30, 2011, 10:12 a.m. CST

    scrivener

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    Yeah, I had the same impression. At first I thought it was the Seven, but I only counted five. . .and they don't even look like the Father, Stranger, Crone, Smith ect. Then I thought maybe they're some of the many Gods that are in Braavos? But that doesn't come until later. Color me confused.

  • July 30, 2011, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Tangcameo

    by Therawbeats

    Absolutely read the books. You will not regret it. They are riveting and well written, the story is so deep, the characters so rich. Just know you will never be able to enjoy any fantasy book again because they will pale in comparison.

  • July 30, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST

    turingtestee, I think that that series would be unfilmable

    by Frisco

    The Book of the New Sun and the Book of the Long Sun would have such a small target audience that it wouldn't be worth it for anyone to go to the trouble of producing adaptations of them. I do think that they'd be amazing to see, though! I'm imagining something animated, stylized, and atmospheric as hell. Oh, and to the anti-religion trolls: really? You *still* get your rocks off hitting people who don't hit back? That says a lot about you.

  • July 30, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Old dude looks like Confucius

    by PTSDPete

    Are they secretly Chinese ?

  • July 30, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Oh its Game of Thrones

    by torontoxic

    Sorry some of us watched this but didn't write all the damned names of everything down. Mostly because we have jobs and such. Kudos to all the anti religion morons. I am amazed at how stupid you are. None of you would be alive without religion since it has always acted as a moral compass and accountability to a higher being probably kept your great great great great great great fatass relation from being murdered. Thanks for being such Peter Pans of maturity and intellect. You'll never grow up.

  • July 30, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Beware of book5 spoilers

    by comicsniper

    skycrapper_deuce where were you a couple weeks ago when that dancingforever douche completely ruined book 5 for me???? Avoid his comments at all costs!

  • July 30, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Supermarch

    by DutchDrunk

    What's up your ass? Westeros is the world that GoT takes place in, so even though I agree that it's poor that Herc didn't mention that this is about GoT, your reaction is WAY overboard. Especially the part about "Mostly because we have jobs and such." I got a job as well, but I can take one hour a week to watch a show, and actually remember what it's about. I'm not even going to respond to your comment about religion.

  • July 30, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    Supermach

    by Anino

    Right on.

  • July 30, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    hahaha supermarch

    by heylookoverthere

    Glad you have your religion to keep you here posting on AICN, instead of out murdering people.

  • July 30, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Supermarch

    by Therawbeats

    I have a job and I read books and watch TV. CRAZY!!!!

  • July 30, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    It should be, "...none of the new gods is named....."

    by Gabe Athouse

    And, yes, I've judged you.

  • July 30, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Sex and Horror - Cover Girl Killer or FGTH?

    by gun_will_travel

    Just curious as to the reference source, the old movie "Cover Girl Killer," or the Frankie Goes to Hollywood song "Two Tribes."

  • July 30, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    therawbeats

    by DutchDrunk

    Show-off!

  • July 30, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    gene_the_cows_lsd_milk

    by Craig Sweeny

    There are some new characters in Clash of Kings: Stannis Baratheon, Robert's brother, is a major player and we meet a bunch of people in his orbit. One of them is an ex-smuggler named Davos Seaworth who is awesome and a major player going forward. Dany travels around with her baby dragons trying to raise an army. There are some new cities and civilizations in that storyline. But the tone and feel are similar to Game of Thrones, and everyone who's not dead is back. It ends in an epic battle, some serious Helm's Deep shit. It'll be tough to get that on screen on a TV budget, but I'm looking forward to seeing how they do it.

  • July 30, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Episode 2.09 'Blackwater'

    by DutchDrunk

    George R.R. Martin cursed them for giving him that episode to write, since it does indeed involve that epic battle. He did an interview where he tried to quell the fan's excitement about it a little bit though. He said something along the lines of not to expect something like 'Pellenor Fields', since it's just not realistic on a TV budget. I did however see some pictures from the set, and they are building ships. Can't wait to see what they can do with it.

  • July 30, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    fanboy71 - What to read next?

    by RayPatterson

    fanboy71, I don't think I could suggest a better author to read while waiting for book 6 than Gene Wolfe, the guy turingtestee and frisco are talking about. The Book of the New Sun has been my favourite series for years and years, and Wolfe's follow-ups: Long Sun and Short Sun are just as brilliant. They're quite different from George R. R. Martin's stuff, and can be tricky to get into (not everyone I've recommended them to enjoyed them as much as I did), but for me, Wolfe is the best. On the other hand, after finishing up Dance with Dragons the other week and still finding myself in a fantasy mode, I decided to move on to Mistborn by Brandon Sanderson. I'm enjoying that quite a bit as well.

  • July 30, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    @raypatterson

    by DutchDrunk

    I admit I could do a bit more research myself, but since you're here... Is 'The Shadow of the Torturer' the first book to start with? I'm just asking, since it happens in some series that the chronological order gets thrown all over the place. Just wondering if that's the case with this series as well. Also, totally agree with Mistborn. Pretty good series he made there.

  • July 30, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    @dutch_drunk

    by RayPatterson

    You make a good point about chronological order. Yup, I'd be inclined to start with The Shadow of the Torturer, and simply read in the order they were written. Make sure not to skip The Urth of the New Sun after you've finished the first four books, though - it's the direct sequel. Alternatively, you could easily start with Long Sun, then Short Sun, though I could see certain things in those series losing some impact if you haven't read New Sun yet. While we're at it (and with apologies for taking the talkback on a tangent), any other recommended fantasy?

  • July 30, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    by DutchDrunk

    Not too much to talk about when it comes to two pictures of statues, so I'm pretty sure we're okay. Well, I -used- to enjoy Raymond E. Feist's 'Magician' series...Like Martin, he doesn't have much of a problem in killing off his characters, at least that's what he makes you believe. Until he starts bringing the dead characters back in the form of their children, grand-children and other relatives. Writes them exactly the same way, and it just turns to shit. I'd say the first three books are definitely worth a read though, I think he's well over 20 books now in the series, most of which I skipped. Janny Wurtz's 'Wild Magic' series is pretty decent, though nothing ground-breaking And as I mentioned earlier, I started reading Robin Hobb's 'Assassin' series, which I'm really liking at the moment. It's written in first person, which is something I normally have trouble getting in to, but it's very appealing and has a few nice twists.

  • July 30, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    by RayPatterson

    Good recommendations. I used to read Feist, too, but only got through the original few Riftwar books and the Empire series with Janny Wurtz. Haven't read the others you suggested, but I should give them a try. Robin Hobb's someone I've been told to read by a bunch of people. The Book of the New Sun, by the way, is written in first person - that's one of the things that can make it tough to get into. Not only that, but Wolfe likes to use the unreliable narrator convention, so you can't necessarily trust that what you're being told is true, even from the protagonist's perspective. Fun stuff. Totally worth it.

  • July 30, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST

    The Book of the New Sun definitely unfilmableish

    by Turingtestee

    An 6 to 8 hour animated miniseries could work. Have not yet started Long Sun.

  • July 30, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    people who debate religion on the internet

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    are idiots. both sides.

  • July 30, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST

    @turingtestee

    by RayPatterson

    You've got that right. Innovation tried to do a comic book adaptation about 20 years ago, but only got through 3 issues before it was cancelled. They actually did a pretty decent job. Not surprisingly, most of the text was thought-boxes. I wish they'd at least finished the first book. I remember liking the art style. I could see that working in animation (with a lot of voice-over). I should dig those issues out of the boxes at my parents' place.

  • July 30, 2011, 10:40 p.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig, oh yeah, I loved S1 for sure

    by Jaka

    But what I've gathered from those who have read the books (sometimes more than once) while reading these talkbacks is that there was still a lot missing. Or maybe just made to work (smaller) within their budget. Again, I loved it, no complaints. I'm just getting the feeling that we're going to get Romed here, again. Two or three seasons, tops. That could work, I guess, if they combine books like others have mentioned.

  • July 31, 2011, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Book 2 spoiler warning (kind of)

    by lordgrimplemort

    Okay I just finished Book 2 and am starting a Storm of Swords. So far I'm not flying through it like the first 2. Is this the one fans like least because a lot of it is rehashing the last one from different points of view? <br> And as to the spoiler above--without spoiling me for anything else can someone explain to me whether Renly and Loras were gay for each other or what. I could have sworn on the show there was a scene where they were just getting out of bed and Loras trying to convince Renly he should seek the crown, but then I read the book and it wasn't there. Kind of got the feeling in book 2 that Renly's marriage to Loras' sister was a sham so they could be close to each other, but don't know if I would have thought that if not for seeing the show first. So is that in the book or did HBO as often happens just throw in a gay character for the hell of it.

  • July 31, 2011, 12:28 a.m. CST

    How many books

    by lordgrimplemort

    Has Martin said yet how many books there will be and when they might be done? I just started this and DO NOT want to get Dark Towered again where you wait years and years to see the end only to feel like you just got screwed.

  • July 31, 2011, 2:12 a.m. CST

    @lordgrimplemort

    by DutchDrunk

    In the books it was -way- more subtle that Renly and Loras were gay for each other. In the show they decided to throw away the subtlety for some reason, the only change I didn't really understand. Martin insists he's going to make two more books in the series, he hasn't said when he's going to release the next one. He has said that he's taking a lot of stuff that he planned to put in book 5 over to book 6, so I assume he's written a good portion already. Unfortunately, he's now working on some kind of encyclopedia for Westeros first, bah.

  • July 31, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    lol @ supermarch

    by ziah_vaempiir

    Well that's certainly one "faithful" way to look at it. THe other is that religion is primarily responsible for most wars, death, derision. At least historically. Today, religion is merely the cause of 10 conflicts currently happening. And that there are a lot of people that don't need religion to determine what is right and wrong. It's sad that you do. But anyway, back to the point of Game of Thrones - oh wait, what was your point? That you can't retain the names of characters?

  • No, religion's not the cause, that's just the excuse. If it wasn't over religion we (humans) would find other "reasons" to feel superior over others and ways to justify animosity, anger, and violence. If everyone practiced the same religion, or there was no religion, those in charge, and those that blindly follow them, would simply use something else as justification for their actions. Religion's simply a tool. In the right hands it can be extremely positive; in the wrong hands it can be devastatingly destructive. To blame religion for "all that's wrong with the world" is a rather simplistic view. Religion may be an easy excuse but it is not the reason or the true root of any given conflict.

  • July 31, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    big jim, you are both wrong and right

    by Jaka

    And I don't have the time or energy to get into it. My short response would be that religion is the CAUSE (the ROOT, not the excuse) of some of the worlds ills, but certainly not all of them (that would definitely be simplistic). Religion is also used as an excuse for a ton of other behavior beyond the excuse to war with one another. But whatever, I respect your faith, I just don't share it.

  • Religion is a hammer - you can use it to build something or bash someone's head in. It all depends on who is wielding it and what they want to accomplish.

  • July 31, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Property?

    by Turingtestee

  • July 31, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    can't wait to see Joffrey poisoned at dinner

    by Nick

  • July 31, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    PRICK

  • Hmmmm?

  • July 31, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth

    by BangoSkank

    You're a cunt, but I'm sure that's something you're well aware of...

  • July 31, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Dude...

    by DutchDrunk

    I think it's better if nobody responds to these trolling cunts, at least people who haven't read the books will still have some doubt if it's true or not.

  • July 31, 2011, 5:31 p.m. CST

    dutch_drunk, I totally agree

    by Jaka

    And I would say more, but it could make it worse so I'm not going to.

  • July 31, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    by Bickle-T

    Nice Hercules. I like how it's oh so cute and funny to poke fun at Christianity. You're either insensitive to other cultures or a hateful republican if you make fun of other religions. How about you just give us entertainment updates and spare us the hateful sarcasm.

  • July 31, 2011, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Read the books = no stupid questions

    by halowiscious

    Yes, read the fucking books. Read em. All of em. If you are lazy, you will be asking these stupid questions forever. Like, it's not like they are writing this shit off the cuff. They are following the plot of the books and are not straying very much. It's good, but compared to the books, it's like eating you mom's shit, not dining out at a spaghetti restaurant.This is not Lost. You know what's happening.

  • July 31, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure most hateful Republicans ARE Christians

    by Jaka

    That's why they think they're better than the rest of us. Its also why they lack a sense of humor and take themselves so seriously. *uhum*

  • July 31, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    halowiscious, that's fine as far as asking questions goes

    by Jaka

    But the clearly purposeful spoirlering that's been taking place in these talkbacks is still shitty under any circumstances.

  • July 31, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Gods

    by halowiscious

    GRRM includes Gods so the present reality of humanity can refelect. They aren't there for show. The God of the Sun, in the books, has real power. Sometimes it backfires. The followers die, get beheaded no matter which gods they worship. It's like they were there forever. The old gods and the new, and the seven. Children are raped and skinned; sometimes even murdered and eaten. GRRM's gods are outside influences in the novels to increase the greed and need for glory of the main characters. A safety net for the soul. Some of the different religions influence complete honesty and trustworthiness as we see in Eddard Stark and Davos the pirate Lord. Grrm is relating the Fantasy "god" element so as to create a parrallel to our reality. The religious shit going on here in reality within the last 20 years (the years since A Game of Thrones) is fucking mind boggling.

  • July 31, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST

    spoilery. I'm not a spoiler. I hate spoilery people

    by halowiscious

    Seriously, my point is that reading the books is far superior to watching the show. And that douchebag troll is a loser and he's always here fucking shit up.

  • July 31, 2011, 9:28 p.m. CST

    supermarch

    by Freddy

    Please take offense at Herc's post only if you really do believe people go to Hell because they don't worship Jesus Christ. I have some good friends who were born places where Christianity just wasn't an option who wouldn't appreciate that. I agree religion can provide a moral compass, but it's by no means a requirement for morality.

  • July 31, 2011, 11:05 p.m. CST

    In comparison with Rome

    by FrodoFraggins

    It will last more than 2 seasons, but it will never be as good as Rome. They spent too much time trying to be faithful to the book and not enough time trimming out the extra characters and events that didn't really mean much in the end.

  • July 31, 2011, 11:49 p.m. CST

    halowiscious, I wasn't calling you spoilery at all

    by Jaka

    I think reading the books and asking questions about them is fine. I don't think answers should be given that are spoilery, though. And I don't get the people who keep jumping up in these threads tossing out plot points (even major events) that they KNOW are huge spoilers, without any warning, in a way that makes it seem like you should read them. Its sucks to be rolling along in one of these threads and get one of those randomly dumped on your face. But as was already mentioned, they're looking for attention. So, whatever, fuck 'em.

  • July 31, 2011, 11:54 p.m. CST

    halowiscious, I used to love Stephen R Donaldson

    by Jaka

    I read the first two Chronicles and the Mordant's Need books several times. The Mordant's Need books (duology?) were real favorites of mine back in my teenage years. But for some reason, by the time he got around to the Last Chronicle (twenty years later), I just wasn't interested anymore. Still have fond memories, though.

  • Aug. 1, 2011, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Frodofraggins

    by DutchDrunk

    Just curious, what or who do you think they should have trimmed out of the TV show, compared to the books? I don't think they had any wasted characters on there at all. They gave Littlefinger and Theon Greyjoy added scenes because they set up plot points from later books early. In the books it's easy to be more subtle, since you have so much more time to spend with these characters, so I like how they gave these characters some more 'meat' early on.

  • Aug. 1, 2011, 2:39 a.m. CST

    @jaka Yarrr, he be a major douchebag

    by halowiscious

    Pretty sure he didn't read the books and just wikied them. should quiz him about subtle plot points, or specific dialogue.

  • Aug. 1, 2011, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Halowiscious

    by Happyfat73

    Good call on Donaldson. It would be my dream to one day see HBO make a series based on The Gap. Angus Thermopyle would make one of the all time legendary characters for TV.

  • Aug. 1, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST

    For the people worried this will do a Rome

    by skycrapper

    Straight from the president of HBO “I hope it lasts for 20 years,” says HBO programming president Michael Lombardo of the show. “I promise you we won’t stop it before it’s ready to stop … there’s a great relationship fans have with the show and we appreciate that. We’ve never seen people get so excited about casting [decisions].” he goes on to say as long as the showrunners are willing to stay the show will stay. The Emmys nods don't hurt either.

  • Aug. 1, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Jaka's comment about christians

    by Bickle-T

    I was merely pointing out that I don't understand the need to poke fun at Christianity in an article on a tv show. Btw, I happen to love Game of Thrones, so I wouldn't say I'm a bible beater, but I find it hypocritical to take shots at someone's beliefs while pointing out how hateful they are.

  • Aug. 1, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    bickle-t - I agree and disagree

    by Jaka

    I don't think its necessary, but I do think everyone should have the freedom to say (and believe) whatever they choose. I also think that at least half the time the problem is either A) one person not thinking all the way through how every other group of people may react to a particular comment (and why would they?), or B) another group of people taking something seriously or personally far beyond the commenter's original intent. In other words, it wasn't personal, so don't personalize it. And this works both ways, because non-believers get beaten about the head and shoulders regarding how stupid and evil they are just as much as Christian's (or any other religion) get told how nutty they appear for their beliefs. Unfortunately, that's not how we humans were built. We take things personally, we internalize and stew on the things we see, read and hear, sometimes far beyond the point of reason or good health. *shrug* Not likely to change any time soon.

  • Aug. 1, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Hercules

    by thedottedlion

    Did you know that this talkback would devolve into religious bickering when you wrote the article? You must have, right?

  • Aug. 1, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Sometimes, comments just aren't funny

    by Flatiron

    jaka--I agree with your analysis about folks not thinking through how other folks will react to a comment (true--although I do think that perhaps part of polite, adult society is to consider the feelings of others, especially your audience), and about other folks taking things seriously that perhaps shouldn't (also frequently true, and it would be especially true here if there were actual satire or commentary involved). However, I don't buy it here. The comment above ["My understanding is everybody in Westeros is going to Hell because none of them worship Our Savior Jesus Christ on His throne high in Heaven."] may not have been personal, but it was rude. The photo of the 7 is interesting, and I'm glad it was posted, but suggesting that Herc (or whomever the author may have been) didn't consider that random comments about Jesus might be offensive is not likely. I think that it was probably designed to be offensive, and was offered under the guise of humor to "excuse" its offensiveness. Whatever. Herc (etc) is allowed to believe whatever they like. They can certainly print whatever they like on their own website, assuming that the powers that be on the AICN staff doesn't mind. I am glad we live in a place where you can write stuff like this...But I have to wonder, why is it cool or acceptable to purposefully be rude about something that is pretty much completely out of context? Westeros has nothing to do with the Bible, or with the beliefs of Christianity. If the intent was to hurt, or to wound, then good job. It hit its mark. If the intent was to be funny...well, it wasn't.

  • Aug. 1, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Episodes & seasons

    by Kizeesh

    The trouble is that with Swords being such a long book it necessitates 2 series. With a little judicious plot movement it will still work perfectly in tone and temper. The big problem is with Crows and Dragons. Feast for Crows is a bad book. GRRM has already hinted that if they get that far then he'd like to mix the two books up (you'd have to) to get the full story of both into the series. I'm sure he also said he'd make them into 3 series if possible. Now if you calculate that out......... That means we'd be finishing up screening tv versions of the current written material round oh.... mid 2017. why worry now? HBO will undoubtedly get new management and cancel the series in 2014..

  • And 10 episodes ones at that. There's a lot of stuff that can be trimmed and streamlined with those two books. I'm still convinced that you could do book three in 13-14 episodes. You wouldn't need two full seasons.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    to see the seven burn

    by bryrb1277

    Go to www dot winter-is-coming dot net. The sigh also has tracking of new cast members... hmmm still waiting on Ygritte.

  • Aug. 3, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Jaka, I appreciate your response

    by Bickle-T

    I think you and I agree more than disagree.