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More ST Series V Rumors.
Fun maybe-facts from a reader known as "DH". Not much of a nick, but here's his poop.
"Since the cat is out of the bag on the focus groups, here are the details of
the current Series 5 pitch at Paramount:
Star Trek: Series V (as yet, untitled)
After a Federation think tank predicted the loss of the war with the
Dominion.
Section 31 embarked on several ambitious projects to change the course
of the war. One of them is euphemistically called "The Final Solution". It
involves assimilating the Jem Haddar by curing their addiction to Ketracel
White by using Borg technology.
As plans are being drawn, a chance encounter with the prototype
federation starship Prometheus brings Voyager's holographic Doctor briefly
to the Alpha quadrant. While on the Prometheus, a "copy" is made of the
Doctor's program. The holographic Doctor's experience with Borg
biotechnology entices Sloan to acquire the program and put the Doctor to
work on the Final Solution.
The result is a Federation Assault team (a la Navy Seals) that operates
like a Borg collective cell. They are heavily armed with overpowering
weapons and able to assimilate people, technology and ships to suit their
needs. The team has the ability to act as a collective in battle mode to
improve efficiency, and also to "switch off" their link and operate as
individuals (much like the former Borg colony that Voyager found.)
The group had passed their first trial and successful captured and Now a hunted group, the cell makes it's way to Borg space and An overriding theme of the show is racial coexistence. With "I just got back from visiting a relative in Glendale, and after taking a trip mail me at elcosmico@austin.rr.com
assimilated a Jem Haddar soldier when a crisis occurred
benefactor, Sloan. With very few people having knowledge and control of
Section 31 projects, and an abrupt and unpredicted end to the war with the
Dominion, Section 31 begins a slash and burn campaign of some most of it's
more controversial operations.
The cell become aware of their impending death sentence and make an
escape. Their Jem Haddar prisoner, who is now free of his addiction, knows
he cannot go back to the Dominion. He and the Doctor's program are brought
along. They assimilate a federation ship and make a break for it.
commandeers a Borg sphere, which gives them the ability to travel through
time and space with ease.
The show proceeds to unravel the story of this band of super soldiers
who are looking for a safe haven. They travel through different areas and
eras of the Star Trek Universe (opening up the possibilities of exploring
the early Federation and Kirk/Spock Starfleet academy storylines).
Everywhere they go, they are perceived as a threat and violently turned
away. But they are still Federation soldiers, however unwanted they may be.
similarities being drawn to the exodus of the Jews and the attempt to
establish a homeland and find security in it. The show is intended to be
action intensive and mostly like DS9 during its final season."And the Trek goes on...
Another home boy writes more poop. Here we go with Thomas Paine:
to the local mall they had there, wound up in a focus group where, yes, they
were screening three Star Trek series concepts.
Since I see someone has already reported in about it, I'll try not to repeat
much here. Basically as was already said,when they braught us in, they had a
standard VCR setup where they would show us all some CGI animations of ships
little virtual people running around the decks, things like that. With a
woman talking over the animations with an explanation of each show. Then they
left us alone and we debated which one's we'd watch if they were on the air.
I tell you I was pretty disappointed for the most part, that they have had
like a year to think up a new series and this is all they came up with. I was
pretty sad that there wasn't a movie-era concept.
The first one was, from what I could gather from the ships and story outline,
pretty much a Deep Space Nine spinoff. Nothing new. Which takes place at the
same time period and everything.(Oh God I see many a pointless crossover) I
wasn't suprised when discussion time came around and about five of the eleven
people there loved this one. The animations were balls-to-the-walls KICKASS,
no doubt. Again, very Deep Space Nine-ish. They had God-knows-how-many
battle sequences with ships gratiutously blowing up even when they didn't
appear to be hit, looking alot like the ones we saw in the opening battle of
Star Trek: First Contact, with finally a greek letter flying towards the
screen that I'm pretty sure was the symbol for Omega. Is that the name of the
series? Got me. Anyway, the ships were very militaristic, not typical "one
saucer, two nacelles" design of ship that we are used to. About the size of
the defiant, but different configurations, much sleeker like they were made
out of metal. There was also a sequence of CG characters storming some new
alien ship with what looked like "breaching pods" (which is stupid when they
could've just beamed over.) All in all, this was the worst of the options
presented in my opinion. Absolutely no story, but plenty of cloak and dagger,
spy and shoot. I was probably the only one that really hated it. Every one
else had dumb comments, envoking Star Wars to say something like "this is what
space shows are supposed to be." Yeah right. Sometimes what looks great in a
five minute clip won't cut it in a seven year run.
Conclusion: All style and no substance. It would kickass for a couple of
seasons and then fail to develop. You don't care if the characters get
captured or die because they're strangers to you.
Next, shock of shocks, Starfleet Academy appeared on the monitor. The CG was
less inspiring than the first, consisting of some kind of 24th century
"aircraft carrier", a huge tub ship with a long hull about the shape of
Voyager's. The openning scene showed these long bays along the side openning
up and these almost boomerang shaped fighters flying out one by one. The
uniforms on the CG characters looked like what we saw in the episode "valiant"
I kinda was receptive to it, then they started explaining what the show would
be like. A total barrage of cliches. The old scolding captain trying to keep
in line the wild top gun cadets. It just got worse from there. The lady who
was standing with her clipboard by the screen said it would focus on their
adolescent problems, they might have trouble at school, one of the guys might
fall for one of the girl characters who likes someone else. I wanted to gag.
However, I'm wondering if maybe the guy who first reported was in an earlier
focus group, because as far as I can recall no one called it a "90210 in
space." That's actually a perfect way to put it, but no one said it then.
It's an intriguing premise, I mean I remember reading Heinlein's original
Starship Troopers...but the wrong direction to take it.
Conclusion: Space: Above and Beyond resurrected, and this time worse!
Finally, the last one, the 22nd century one I'd have to say was the one that
sat with me the best. Unlike the other two it had VERY little CGI, and no
video, just screen shots. The ships kinda looked like a cross between The Old
Series and 2001: A Space Odyssey, having kindof a rugged gracefulness to the
ships(They kept the "orange necelle lights from TOS unfortunately :-)
However, just a correction: The series as it was explained to us would take
place VERY far pre-TOS and would even be pre-federation. It would focus on a
ship, the USS Enterprise(Interesting to note, the room erupted when they
mentioned that note :-) from an earth space probe administration or something,
and would focus on the exploits that led up to the establishment of the
Federation, and the havoc that occured after the disasterous first contact
with the Klingons. A "the people who were behind it all that you never knew
of" story pretty much. It looked to have taken a little of the feel from the
original series, but leaving all the 60's decor out, and leaving in an Apollo
13 kinda motif. I'd have to say without a doubt in the end this was my fav,
as from my years watching The Next generation, this seemed the only one to
capture that spirit.
Conclusion: God I hope this is the one!
Hope this interests you,
Here's more of the same, so call me Thomas PaineWho knows. Put up yer talkbacks, let the muckety mucks know what you think, eh? Peace out, Trekkies!
-El Cosmico
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Why can't they just let Trek rest in peace? Keep wringing the few drops of blood from that shriveled corpse if you like, but don't expect me to watch...
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I hope we get a good trek this time instead of voyeger crap. And what is it with this go hip shit? it crashes my browser all the time. I hate it harry u should loose it for an advitisor
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Wow, I'm really impressed. The powers that be have once again managed to take an idea that wasn't too good in the first place (the crew of a ship looking for a way back or a safe haven or whatever) and added some stuff that won't make it better. Right now my bet is they'll make the Special Forces Federation crap because I can see that in front of my mental eye. Will look like DS9, will suck like Voyager, and will bring UPN's ratings to an all time low right after the pilot. Shitty characters, bad storylines, some sfx - just what we've come to expect from this franchise. The worst thing is: The fans will swallow it like they always do, telling critics like me that the show's sure to get better in season 3,4,5, or 6. Could somebody shove Rick Berman down the nearest space anomaly they can find? Shouldn't be too hard, as there are more of these around nowadays than bad Star Trek ideas. The VeryLateKnight, first time poster, signing off.
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"Now a hunted group,...this band of super soldiers...looking for a safe haven" What?? It's not even a Berman pastiche! IT'S THE FREAKIN' A-TEAM!!!
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Capt Kirk should be brought back. William Statner must at all costs be prevented from doing any more Priceline.com ads. Have you seen the new one where he's on stage? Blecch! He could be transported by the Nexus to the Delta Quadrant where he takes command of Voyager (following Janeway's messy, painful and absolutely unambiguous death). He then resumes shagging his way through the universe, starting with Lt. Torres. Along the way, he could crap all over the Prime Directive and talk some computers to death. Now THAT'S Star Trek. Anything these bozos (Berman et al) come up with will suck to the Nth Degree.
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That first one sounds... odd. It's like Berman and folks were totally desperate and have been searching the 'net for the wierdest fan-fic stories... and they got this. I have no doubt it'll have the stupid plots and ham-fisted morality of Voyager, coupled with sooo many references to past series that only pureblood trekkies will be able to watch it. Series two, the omega-action thing, needs to have a *story* before I can judge it. Series three, the academy one... well, this actually doesn't sound half-bad, if they could somehow put interesting characters in there... and no, by "interesting" I don't mean big-chested. Make it dark, make it nasty, make it immoral, make it Ender's Game-ish and I'll like it... but for God's sake, don't make Trek more of a Melrose Place than it already is. Series Four sounds like yet another bad idea... "Hey, let's just redo the original series, only we'll do it with hipness and technobabble!" I'd much prefer that idea mentioned above, the zillion-years-in-the-future one that was once set to be the plot for a new Roddenberry series. Just get Gary Cole to be the captain so that I can pretend it's Crusade...
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I believe the best new premise would be a Klingon quiz show hosted by Philbin Kokar Klatuk called "Who Wants To Torture A Federation Officer" in which evil Klingons of the old school (all self-respectable Klingons should be evil, none of these kinder gentler Klingons allowed) vie for the inestimable pleasure (and status) of torturing a captured Federation officer live on the Interplanetary Klingon Kable Network ("IKKNe")
Long live Philbin Kokar Klatuk!!
Long live the House of Philbin Kokar Klatuk!!! -
The A-Team in space. Is it just me, or did anyone else get this vibe? Just checking.
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I'd love to see them take the "birth of the Federation" concept and turn it into a limited run series (22 episodes) that could air during the last year of Voyager. It would be nice to see them fill in a lot of the gaps in the early history of the Federation, allowing them to move away from all the techno-bable that tends to bog (borg?) Voyager down. Star Trek has become, in essence, a history of the future. I think it would be great if they took a year to tell some of the stories of the people who make that future happen (Earth's first colony, war with the Kingons, etc.) In the meantine, they could put their little heads together and come up with an idea for the next full fledged series. They should probably jump ahead another generation and leave the Picard Federation days to the feature film people.
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In my opinion, Star Trek (Classic, Next Generation, & DS9) has always been about STORY, CHARACTER, & SOCIAL RELEVANCE, not "kiss ass violence." I "Navy Seal" show might fly with a certain audience, but it is not Star Trek. I believe that the next Trek show needs to be based, not on focus groups, but on the VISION OF A SINGLE PERSON. It needs to be about something important and not an excuse for battle. Just the opinion of an old 27 year Trekkie.
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I think it's important to remember that we, the loving fans, are mere pawns in the red eyes and gaping commercial maw of Paramount. Comments like "these ideas all suck" are not going to bring us another series we love. If anyone of influence is watching this channel (and I hope to God they are), they will ignore non-constructive criticism. We are their free focus group. We are another set of data points. They don't want to hear new ideas from us; they want our feedback. We have been given three options, three show concepts that have made it through the idea stage, and we have to choose the least of three evils. At least in this day and age we have the chance to influence the process to _some_ miniscule degree.
That said, yes, I agree that all three options are not great. After passing the two reports from focus groups around my residence (a veritable hall o' geeks) the overwhelming consensus (33 out of 40 votes) is for option #3, "Apollo 13 meets the Klingons." The repeated justification behind this choice seems to be along the lines of "Yes, it's always better to move a universe forward than backward. But look where forward has gotten this franchise." (Away from the not-so-original ideas and the character-driven stories of the shows we loved.)
I think the Salon article on the death of Star Trek summed it up nicely: Berman and Braga dislike everything about TOS, and so we will not get another gem like TOS (or even TNG) while they helm the franchise. Whatever the choice, the one course that surely leads to disaster is that of story driving character. The Aristotle approach to drama does not work for Star Trek. Berman and Braga should heed Wordsworth instead: the feelings of the characters give rise to the action, not the other way around.
Don't think this is true? Consider TOS and the best TNG: the premise is simple. Starship crew on voyage of discovery. The encounters are simple. E.g. advanced computer built for betterment of society now controls society's every move. But the _characters_ breathe life into the stories. They make us _believe_, even as we laugh from the campness of the moment. How many TOS episodes contained anything even resembling a plot twist?
You don't need to wring your plot by the neck when your audience sits rapt just watching your characters banter, argue, fear, love...
For what it's worth, door #3 please.
We give these words to the void,
D. Megatron -
Star Trek needs the vision of *TWO* men. Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner.
(ok, Nicolas Meyer would be a great addition too)
Berman and Braga... GAG!!
Focus groups... GAG!!
All they are interested in now is a popular series, NOT good Star Trek. As long as it does well, they could care less if it is at all in the spirit of Star Trek.
Shatners Trek books are the first thing to be cool in the Trek universe in YEARS(!!!)
www.BringBackKirk.com
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Let's face it, DS9 and Voyager may not be bad, but only hardcore fans are watching. ST needs to get the mainstream audience back and the mainstream audience knows the Enterprise. Bring back the Enterprise in the future and make Data the Captain. I guarantee everyone would love it. Read the book Imzadi by Peter David, that's where the idea came from. I have no intention of watching ST: Navy Seals in Space. Action was important to ST:TNG, but the story and characters made it great. Oh, and let's not get politically correct on this new series either. This may sound bad, but there has to be a white male lead Period. Or a gold-skinned male lead?
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Jan 23, 2000 1:23:45 PM CST
Pretty sad state of affairs. Looks like the well is dry.
by captainwalker
Far be it from me to criticize a poorly thought out Scifi concept(After all, I still look forward to late night re-runs of "Quark") but with so many possible concepts to explore, and so much mythology to draw upon, these people are coming up with THIS?!
Exactly WHAT are they putting in the water down in LA?
The only concept with any potential is the last one. Although I do admire the fact that they did draw upon biblical mythology for one of them. I didn't know these people knew how to read! -
Ive said it before that Rick Berman is Star Trek's savior. He saved Trek from the Great Bird himself. He gave us two wonderful series, Next Generation and DS9. He has now, however, run out of ideas. Voyager is not bad but it is so dirivitive of Next Generation. Only real difference is that except for Seven and the Doctor the characters all suck. The Navy Seal idea is clearly the best of these ideas. It has a nice "DS9-ish" feel to it. DS9 was the best of the four series and the next series should try to keep their series as close to DS9 in tone (but not in premise) as possible. The Only problem I see is that Ron Moore, one of the minds behind the greatness that was DS9, is no longer with the franchise. Can Branon Braga deliver thAT kind of a series?? I don't know. Whats Ira Steven Beher doing these days?? Beher and Moore were keeping Trek alive the past few years. Now that they are gone so too seems Star Trek. get these two back to work on the Navy Seal/Section 31 concept and Ill be a viewer. Other wise it's time to rest Star Trek for a few years, and then bring in NEW blood to revive it.
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Been thinking about the benefits of giving next show a time-travel premise.It could work,in my opinion.Let's imagine some USS Relativity type 25th century ship,charged with protecting the timeline.Ok,everything connected with real life Earth history is doomed to look cheesy on TV,so,let's keep such storylines to a minimum and set episodes on alien planets and in the different eras of Trek future (that'd please the fans who want a Capt.Sulu or Birth Of The Federation show).Also,there should be some cool,intriguing story arc.For example - some force's bent on changing history of the Federation,big time. Federation's inheritors from a distant future,perhaps.They're in deep shit for some reason and are blaming the UFP for everything.To many of those guys,re-writing Federation's history seems to be the best solution to their problems and they won't stop at anything to accomplish this task.So,this could lead to cool "future vs. the past","present vs. the future" dilemmas,some great sfx,lots of DS9 style interstellar politics,etc..And,most importantly,such show doesn't have to miss out on any kinds of stories - it can focus on ANY Trek era,ANY species,ANY planet,ANY quadrant...."Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" - the phrase that best sums up Star Trek in my opinion - unfortunately,all 3 of the focus group premises just aren't up to it...
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It's easy to say "no, I don't like those", but what alternatives do you offer? Rather than cite a specific show concept, I'd mention a few influences I'd like on a hypothetical new show. For me, I'd like to see Star Trek influenced by: The West Wing (smart, optimistic, concept-heavy), 2001 (realistic - technobabble bugs me - if it's magic tech, don't try to explain it), Buffy (humour, foreshadowing, season-wide story arcs). Drop time-travel, drop fleet battles, drop super-race-of-the-week. Add star charts (and use them!), add consequences, add a museum room to the ship. Remember - the core audience is getting older and wiser - not more adolecent.
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Hey, there Paramount exec! These ideas are for sale!
1: Quark's Place: Quark as the gruff but lovable politically incorrect bartender. Watch for meathead...er, Nog, that is, to drop by from time to time!
2: The Golden Boys: An aging Kirk, a crustier McCoy, an oversexed Spock, and ethnic token Sulu share a Lunar condo. "Picture it: Vulcan, 2231..." Special episodes RE: Impotence, weakening mind-melds, and the future state of health care built right in!
3: VIP7/9: After a hologram of Seven of Nine and Chakotay's wild sex romp is distributed over the InterGalacticNetwork, Seven leaves Voyager to start her own detective agency! Watch for Janeway to stop by and wonder "where she went wrong."
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I was actually looking forward to this one from that previous story, but after reading this I can say I've lost all hope for a new show. The way it was described in the first story didn't sound too bad; the alpha quadrant's been thrown all out of whack after the war and all sorts of military hotspots pop up, a plausible situation for some sort of navy SEALS-esque team. But this, this is worse than a bad voyager episode (or worse than usual anyway) and just downright horrible for the premise of a whole series. As appealing as a prequel series might be, I don't think I could trust Berman with it, as he'd probably just rewrite history to the point where everything that happened in TOS was just an unfortunate glitch in his versoin of Star Trek. I've always been comfortable with the primitiveness of TOS as just the difference in time and technology in the context of the series, but it'd be hard to reconcile modern looking Klingons and ship interiors that don't look like cardboard with the style of TOS.
I think their fundamental flaw in their approach is they're trying too hard to be unique, and too narrow with their premise. TOS and TNG were as good as they were because their only premise was a ship cruising around the galaxy, dealing with whatever they encountered. DS9 worked in a similar way where there wasn't any set goal or purpose; the direction of it evolved with the show. Compare that with Voyager where the goal is etched in stone from the beginning and any attempt to stray from it is a mere distraction from getting home and a waste of time. This new series seems to just continue that patter; since their all borgified everyone tries to kill them on site, go around using their miltary stuff like a bunch of mercenaries, blah blah blah. Wait, i've seen this show before! It's the A-Team meets Star Trek! -
Spot on,every word of what you've said...My thoughts precisely...
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Jan 23, 2000 4:55:20 PM CST
OK. I'm Sorry. I flamed and I was wrong for that. But the feelin
by captainwalker
I've had a few minutes to think things over, and I'd like to apologize for sounding like just another adolescent jerk. But I guess, that despite my best attempts to count myself out of the roles of the dreaded "TrekNerds" I must confess, to myself as much as any one else, that I am one. Now is it just me, or do all of these great, complex theories that have been put forward seem like desperate attempts to find a hook uponwhich to hang a new hero? The first concept is intriguing because it sounds like a modern spin on ancient greek drama. (Or a respin of Exodus) The second one seems like a teen drama. (Do we really need another one of those? Aren't we already overwhelmed with those things already? Just setting them in outerspace will make the target audience feel even more disociated, and not make them feel comfortable with there own lives. If I were to sum up what my response was to reading those outlines, it would simply be this. "That is not what I want my future to look like!" Wasn't Rodenberrys' basic premise for the first series, the firm belief that we are better than these things? Shouldn't we have progressed further than to have rogue elements within our ranks planning acts of Genocide, in the name of peace? I think that all parties involved need to take a break from the conventions of Hollywood. Do you want to find out what young people want to believe their future holds for them? Do you want to know what despirited, middle aged people want to believe in again? Do you want to remember what inspired your heart when you were young enough to still believe in heros? take a trip to a museum. I'm thinking of two in particular. One in Florida at the Kenedy Space Center, and the other The Smithsonian Air and Space Museum. After you've spent the day wandering around the displays, and looked upon the actual spacecraft that completed the missions of the Apollo, Mercury, and Gemini programs, stop outside the gates and turn around. Stop and look at the young children coming out. You will see excited children who bounce and dance and jabber at their parents, pleading for a chance to go back. They will dream about meating the likes of John Glenn,(Living in retirement, and writing books.) and Neil Armstrong (A retired farmer of all things! And from Iowa to boot! Allusion any one?) Look at how excited they are about these stories and realize this, Most of those missions happend when their parents were still infants! The Moon landings are distant history to these children and might as well have taken place during the Spanish/American war! Yet they still yearn for the chance to meet these gods of their dreams. If you want a worthy successor, and a succesful one, show these children their dreams, and their parents will follow. Show us what we can be, not what we fear becoming. please. Give us back our heros.
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Jan 23, 2000 6:34:10 PM CST
Blah...can we say...Fanboy Hopeings and bad Fanfic Ideas?
by twisted mentat
Blah..is it me or do these ideas sound like fanfics? I mean....the first one combines pretty much every idea that some Trek obssessed Quasi-writer would stick in their story...Borg, Dominon, Voyager, section 31..etc. PLus, we have the possability of having TOS characters show up...i could just see it....Picard, Kirk, Sisko and Janeway...all working together to save the galaxy...PLus there will be the other major character....Lt. Fanboy! yes...the guy who bags troi and Seven in the same night then goes huntin' for more!
I think the Whole pre-TOS thing would make a much better book...and why do they have to make it the Enterprise? Okie, its cannon that there was a Space Ship before the TOS Enterprise with that name, but do we have to use that? i mean...theres lots of other ships out there...why not deal with one of those? Homage right? there always has to be an enterprise...blah! Blah i say!
I won;t even talk about SFA...
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Come on Star Trek has been over exposed for years. Too many series the same storylines over and over again. I used to love Star Trek but now it sucks. A few episodes out of a season are ok, usually that have lots of battles and effects. The rest of the time it's re-hashed Star Trek Next Gen. episodes. :(
They really need to re-think the Star Trek franchise completely. The Borg storyline thingy has potential, I like the idea of time travel and different era's an stuff.
I personally think if they were gonna use this angle why not go the whole hog and use the Time Enforcement Agency from the 29th Century which has been used in several episodes. That could be good.
I still think the time travel stuff is very difficult to script and keep track of. It's too easy to get massive holes and gaffs in the plots. It usually ends in tears...
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Thanks for turning me on to the Salon article (which led me to the even better Star Wars vs. egalitarianism article). I commend you for your post, spoken with the voice of reason. However, the lesser of evils is evil enough. What do you answer to those who say that for "Trek" to cease would be the least evil of all?
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Ditto on the Salon article: "The trouble with "Trek" -- Plagued by falling ratings, rampant merchandising and a boss who hates the franchise legacy, the noble "Star Trek" faces the indignities of age..." It's at http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/1999/10/29/trek/index.html
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Jan 24, 2000 12:01:50 AM CST
Like McCoy Says in "Voyage Home", "I'd prefer a dose of common s
by rightwing dude
For most of my 22 years on this earth, I have loved "Star Trek". Now, my heart is saddened by what I see happening to it. Had Gene Roddenberry been buried (instead of having his ashes shot into outer space), he would no doubt be spinning in his grave right now.
The original "Star Trek" wasn't about marketing or appealing to certain demographics, or using test groups to determine in which direction the show should go. Roddenberry just came up with certain concepts and said "to hell with what the network and demographic focus groups think-this is my artistic vision of what the future should be like".
Where is it written in stone that there should even be a 5th series, especially this soon? Even if the show is good (and with Ron Moore and Ira Steven Behr gone, that is a doubtful assumption), series V will most certainly be the death-knell for "Star Trek" and you want to know why? "Star Trek" has been on the air for too damn long! You can't expect to have it on the air nonstop since 1987 without most of the audience beginning to fatigue of it at some point. Life is short enough as it is-I don't wish to spend a third of it or more watching "Star Trek". This desire to have more and more "Trek" is almost kind of sad for those who are devoted to the show...don't get me wrong.....I'm devoted to TOS,TNG, and DS9 but I can only bear so much of it.
If Berman/Paramount were smart, they would concentrate their creative energies on making "Star Trek X" the best possible film they could possibly make and not on this series V nonsense. Why does there have to be any TV series in the immediate future? Why not go back to the custom which was in place from 1979-1986 when we had to wait 2 years for a new "Star Trek" adventure? The writers would benefit from the creative rest, and the audience wouldn't tire so quickly of "Trek".
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This is to announce the start of a campaign on Talbacks to get Harry to ban the annoying wigger who won't stop talking like the suburban wannabe O.G. he is. Everyone who'd like to see this man either get banned or be forced to talk like a normal human being, end your messages with "Ban The Wigger."
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Why are these ideas focusing on the form of the show rather than the function? Why not start with a series of characters and then build around that? I'm an avid Trekker and the key to a successful Trek series is how much the characters are liked and how well they are written. The political wranglings and starship mumbo jumbo loses it's appeal very quickly. TNG was successful not because of the non-existent plot arcing, but because the show focused exclusively on the characters. That goes for TOS as well. All these shows like B-5, Farscape, and even DS9(which has a much better balance of plot-arcing and character arcing) appeal temporarily to the fan who is hanging on to the series on a weekly basis. I want something I can watch over and over again. Of course a show relying exclusively on its characters requires great writers. And Braga is hardly up to the task. I encourage everyone to read Ron Moore's expose at fandom.com.
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They shouldn't need a focus group. If they need to see if other people think their ideas are cool, than they aren't cool.
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I have been a TREK fan all of my 31 years, and I make no apologies for it. I love TOS. TNG was very good, and I think DS9 was also. However, VOYAGER has been-and always will be-shit. There are absolutely NO INTERESTING CHARACTERS on that show. Not even the addition of that Borg chick could make me tune in on a regular basis. In fact, the only time I even bother with it now is when they do a crossover with characters from TNG. Unfortunately, the VOYAGER writing staff makes those characters (most recently, Troi and Barclay) as stiff and uninteresting as they regular cast. As a fan, I am sick and tired of the things I have come to expect from Berman and Company. They got lucky with DS9, but it's time to go back to basics. As Scotty said, "The more they try to overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain". Well, the water is going down slowly, and any one of the proposed ideas listed in this article will stop it up for good. We fans want to get back to the excitement (and, yes, the comfort) of the original. Paramount should replace Rick Berman (or at least reign him in) and give the green-light to a show about Captain Sulu and the Excelsior. This is what we want-a Federation starship boldly going where no one has gone before. As someone has said earlier, there are 80 years of stories that need to be told. Let's start with some in the "movie era". Paramount had an opportunity to do this 6 years ago and they blew it by going with Berman's "Lost In Space" rehash. The result has been a black eye on the TREK legacy. In fact, one of VOYAGER's highest rated episodes is "Flashback"-which, for those that don't know-is the Sulu/Excelsior show!
As I said before, I like TOS, TNG, and DS9. Where TNG took 1 3/4's seasons to get on the right track, DS9 was on the mark from the word GO. However, VOYAGER has never really found it's way, and we are left to just meander our way to the final episode-when they can finally make it back to Earth. I gave Voyager an honest chance and it failed. Now, I will be asked to do the same for another show. If Paramount doesn't wake-up and realize that it would be to their advantage to make the Sulu show, they will face more of the same embarassment that they have with Voyager. Nobody wants that to happen. The choice is clear-place the new series back in the 23rd Century and return to what made STAR TREK successful in the first place.
Also, bring back BATTLESTAR GALACTICA!
www.battlestargalactica.com
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This is my script for series V Paramount so pay attention.
Kill them all! You heard me right kill off all of the characters that have anything to do in the last 4 series. Let the franchise die but do it with a blast.
Some alien race, say the Borg or the Dominion open up a worm hole and release a super powerful race bent on destroying everything in their path (akin to Species 8712 or what ever the # is, but don't die from stupid plot devices. Worse even than the Shadows from B5, they are really bad mother f*ckers and you can't make nice with them)
They quickly kick this race's butt all over the galaxy and the survivors come running for the Federation because they are the Nice Guys and good with Technobable. So the Federation of course come to the rescue fighting the bad guys. It goes badly for the federation at first. DS9 and the Prophets are destroyed is truly spectacular action sequence that cost millions - all characters from the ds9 series die heroically.
The Enterprise crew goes to talk peace with the bad guys. Picard gives a really nice speech about harmony and respect for all life forms. The bad guys nuke the Enterprise six ways from Sunday. All the TNG characters die.
Now with there back against the wall the federation desperately begins working on technobable solution, Voyager and crew show up to help them with this and they create phased-modulated-reverse-deflector thingy that will stop the bad guys cold. Well they use and it is a really neat effect but doesn't do a damn thing to the baddies. The federation is in shock, the bad guys pull up and pull out a Star Trek Technical Manuall:Inside secrets to technobable, smile and wave, and blow away the federation.
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That navy seals idea will never get on the air. Seriously. I don't know who said that its some fan masturbatory thing, but they are so right. That concept has soooo been made up. A series with Borg,jem Hadar,Sloan,the prometheus, time travel...and the Doctor? I dont think so...Can anyone ever imagine that working ??? Who gives a crap about a bunch of Time travelling Navy seals ?...and for the love of God, dont let us have a Star Trek academy series. That really will be the end of it...it won't even run half a season.
The Best option is definatly that 22nd century one....I doubt we'll get it though. Berman was good, but he's disapperead up his own backside now. Put someone else in charge...who knows what theyre doing...like me. In fact, put me in charge... -
Actually, here's what they should really do. Paramount should set out to make the WORST f**king Star trek show ever, the most dismal pile of S**t they could possibly come up with, cos it doesnt matter what the new show is, its just GOING to be the worst ever, and the franchise is going to die eventually, it just is. I dont know...how about this ; Sisko returns from his life with prophets and decides that his path in life is to open a new Burger Restaraunt on Cardassia. Lets call it STAR TREK : SISKO OPENS A NEW BURGER RESTARAUNT ON CARDASSIA.
Come on, That idea alone is TEN TIMES better than anything Paramount will ever come up with...
The more I think about it, maybe its time to let STAR TREK go now. I never thought I'd ever say it, cos even bad STAR TREK is still STAR TREK. But, Whatever they do, its gonna be bad...I don't know...
(Actually I do know...PUT ME IN CHARGE)
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That "Birth Of the Federation" variant should've been Series 4, instead of f@$#%ng Voyager! It would've worked great as a back up show to DS9.Trek was at the peak of popularity back then,thanks to Next Generation. Early 90's was THE time to tell the story of how it all started.And it would've played along with DS9 wonderfully. A breathtakingly cool symbiosis - a show about the greatest danger Federation's ever faced (DS9) PLUS a show about Federation's beginnings - just think of it! Well, we all know what happened instead..Having said this,I don't like the idea of a "back to basics" show being the main carrier of Trek for the next few years (I refuse to count Voyager and the prospect of Series 6 appearing any time soon,the way things are going, is ,well,science fiction)....
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...the sole objective of the human race is to produce garbage.
The Excelsior series, on the other hand, would be a dream come true. But it will never happen because dreams never come true these days. It's all about immorality, evil, laziness, greed, and yes..garbage. When Gene made star trek it was a vision. Not *just* a show. NOW. Today and tommorow do not look good folks. As a wise man once said. See you in hell.
Btw. I don't think Gene was shot into "outer space". I'm virtually certain he was launched into low earth orbit (maybe even sub-orbital) and splashed back into the atmosphere. A sad but fitting fate. Life at the turn of the millenium sucks in many ways. It would be cool to sleep for a thousand years.
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Fourmyle beat me to saying this, but I thought it the moment I read the description. It is the single stupidest idea I've ever read. Do they have some angry Federation Army Colonel chasing after them too?
@%^@ing Berman. Is the man even capable of a good idea? The pre-TOS series is the only one I've heard with a fighting chance of actually being good, and it would have to be done as a straight adventure story to work. None of this BS over-intelectualizing garbage which started with the worst TNG episodes, and has gotten even worse as the franchise has grown stale. Heck, even a next-next gen. story would be better than this crap discussed above, or that Starfleet Diplomat crap I've heard elsewhere.
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Dear Paramount executives - here is a sampling of feedback that your sample group may have fail to include. . .
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AAAARRRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!! The *PAIN* Please, please, please let the series die! *********************
This is proof positive that there is no god. If there is a divine and all powerful holy being controlling our destiny, then he would surely have stuck down this shitstorm of a series - a series SO BAD, it manages to *SUCK* the entertainment right out of the networks unlucky to be positioned next to it on the dial. Star Trek has not had an original, good idea in it's collective head for FUCKING YEARS NOW! Ever since the creator died, this marketing 800 pound gorilla has rolled on. Bullets cant stop it! Missiles cant stop it! IT JUST KEEPS COMING! It has no pity, no fear, no remorse - IT WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL WE ARE DEAD!!! FUCK PARAMOUNT, FUCK THE CREATIVE TEAM, And rip off the head of Star Trek and SKULLFUCK it, too! AARRGGHH!!!!!
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Thank you.
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I appreciate the lowdown provided about the three proposed concepts for the new series. As I've stated before, the first concept is definitely not STAR TREK. That trash is best suited for a series in the same vein as the wretched "Hercules: the Legendary Journeys" or "Xena." As for the Starfleet Academy concept: good general idea, wrong focus. If this series went on the air in its current form, it would definitely be lambasted as STAR TREK: 90210. However, if a "Starfleet Academy" series were developed, it should focus mainly on the Academy's faculty, the gardener Boothby, (played by the great Ray Walston) & only a few cadets. An established, well-known STAR TREK character should be brought in as the Academy's Superintendent. Possibilities for this job would be Spock, Picard, Riker, Data, & LaForge.
A Starfleet Academy show would have great potential--if it's not soap opera. In regard to the "Pre-Federation" concept, it's an interesting premise, but best suited to the form of an epic novel by Vonda McIntyre. With all that said, I would propose STAR TREK: HOME FRONT, a series featuring characters, places, and events on Earth and its solar system. There are all sorts of interesting locales mentioned in the other four series (i.e., New Berlin, the Martian Colonies, etc.) that have not yet been seen. Much of the action on this show could be found at Starfleet Headquarters, the Federation Council Chambers, and the Office of the Federation President (places we've briefly seen before). If you're thinking about the highly successful new series THE WEST WING, you're on the mark. Remember the Starfleet Situation Room seen in THE VOYAGE HOME? That was an awesome set! Bring it back (with a few updates, of course) for HOME FRONT. Let's get to know some more of the admirals who run Starfleet & see firsthand its day-to-day operations. Or, better yet, see how more of these top brass & other officers react in crisis mode to threats to the Federation. Go inside the inner workings of the Federation Council--flesh out the dealmaking & political horse-trading that goes on among humans, Vulcans, Betazeds, Andorians, etc. Find out what really happens behind the scenes at the top by delving into the workings of the President's Office. Remember Kurtwood Smith's cool portrayal of a Federation President in THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY? Create another cool President--not the Neville Chamberlain-esque Jaresh-Enyo seen on DS9--surround him with an interesting staff, & let them go at it. With the Dominion War over, it will be interesting to see how the Federation deals with the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, and Breen. As Sloan noted, a Cold War situation could develop between the Federation and Romulan Star Empire. This type of terrain is rich with possible storylines, and Earth's solar system would be a great backdrop for STAR TREK to go where it has not gone before--right in its own back yard. -
An excellent bevy of ideas there. Heh.~~~~~~~~~~~No, it's clear that it DOESN'T MATTER what idea they use. Their writers suck, thus you get shitty writing. It's as simple as that. Y'know, I heard (and I could be mistaken) that they had TWENTY SIX fucking writers on "Voyager"! It just goes to show that 'writing by committee' is NOT the way to go if you want to get quality. (Question: What's an elephant? Answer: A donkey made by a committee.) Most of the best writing on B5 was written by ONE, count em-ONE writer! All the Trek franchise needs to do is get a few actual SCIENCE FICTION writers to write some episodes (one writer-one episode) and they actually might start getting out of the shitter. Think about some of the classic episodes in the original that were written by 'guest' writers (Doomsday Machine-Norman Spinrad; City on the Edge of Forever-Harlan Ellison; Wolf in the Fold-Robert Bloch; The Trouble with Tribbles-David Gerrold.) Now there might be a few decent writers in Paramount's steaming pile of hacks, so find a few good ones and FIRE THE REST OF THOSE DIPSHITS! I'm sure the bulk of them write shitty soap opera plots and then get their resident 'pseudo-science editor' to try to make some semblance of sense (ooo-alliteration!) out of their leavings. Dump em. Try hiring some real writers, just on a trial basis. Anyone here like to see a Trek show written by David Weber? Poul Anderson? Larry Niven?(wait, he DID write an episode-for the ANIMATED series) David Drake? Harry Turtledove? I'm sure you could get at least one or two of them to write an episode. Remember those 'X-Files' shows done by guest writers like King and Gibson? In any case, only by clearing out that hackfest and giving the writers some freedom are you gonna see any improvement in the series. And frankly, I'm not holding my breath. Perhaps we should just give the franchise a twenty-one phaser salute and lower the casket into the ground.
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Guys in case you haven't figured it out yet, the first one is OBVIOUSLY some fan boy's crap attempt to push a sad fanfic prank on AICN. Even though the second report is genuine, I'm tired of seeing these damn frauds get their 15 minutes. How do these things keep getting through?
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i've never been what you would consider a 'trekkie.' i've seen all of the original episodes and most of 'the next generation,' but quickly saw with DS9 that the star trek universe had begun to lose its way.
beginning with DS9, two essential elements were suddenly lost from the star trek universe. two elements that are essential, and that the original concept was based upon: exploration and the starship enterprise.
that is why the third proposal, set before the federation, piques my interest. the concept itself returns star trek to its roots.
where rick berman and company went wrong was in creating a focus on the federation, and its relationships with other existing cultures. while DS9 did have its moments (from the few episodes i watched) it never really captured the essense of trek, which is a sense of HOPE.
look at the original series, it broke ground by creating a future where all races and nationalities could survive and work together. it gave us hope for a better future. so did TNG, through the plight of the klingon empire, and their joining the federation.
now, should paramount continue on with the current 24th century timeline, then there really is only one course of action that will breathe life into a stagnant franchise:
DESTROY THE FEDERATION
the star trek braintrust has forgotten how to take a chance. nowadays, taking a chance for these guys has been adding a hot borg chick to the voyager cast, or, as in first contact, destroying the enterprise. haven't we seen the enterprise blown up already? sure, and it was much more effective star trek III when it happened BECAUSE THEY TOOK A CHANCE with the storyline. they destroyed an integral part of the mythos, and you know what, it was one of the best moves they ever made (in my opinion).
how about this for a movie scenario: voyager returns to the alpha quadrant just as civil war erupts in the federation. the klingons are leading an uprising that has attacked earth. enterprise is recalled from somewhere in deep space to join the battle. in the end, we have the federation in shambles, trying to rebuild itself. the fleet is dispatched to the far reaches of federation space to help restore peace.
from here, you create a new series, based on a new enterprise crew.
the following films give us the major turning points in the rebirth of a new federation, starring our new enterprise cast, as they once again try to build a federation of planets by BOLDLY GOING WHERE NO ONE HAS GONE BEFORE!! -
Thanks for finally acknowledging my comments! Im not writing for myself here! Good to know that someone out there can step back from the fray and appreciate a little humor....anyway. To get down in the muck with the rest of you, here's my two shillings: Are they really too dense to not go back to the basics? O.K., here it is: Ship of exploration and discovery, cool sci-fi concepts, character driven drama. How hard is it, people? Isn't that bottom line Trek? We don't need a radical new series premise. Just give us good, old-school trek with decent writing and good actors and everyone wins. O.K.? Two words: Captain Data. I'm done.
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Just wanted to add my perspective from an independant film makers point of view...
I have always wanted to get into film because of the amazing things George Lucas did with the original trilogy and what Gene Roddenberry was doing with Next Gen. I left my career behind in Engineering Documentation because of the new Science Fiction renaissance that occurred in the early to mid 1990's and the advancement of computer technology in recent years. I'm inspired by what can be done, and disapointed at what isn't. So, I'm making the kind of film I would want to see.
I've been to pitch meetings, and I know what producers want to hear and what they don't want to hear...
The things that they are perposing (or are rumored to be perposing) could work if they didn't add Star Trek to the title. Trek isn't just about conceptual 'hooks', it's about normal everyday people (some from other worlds) with issues in extrodanary cercumstances. Some of these sound like the winners of a how-strange-can-we-get contest in the Writers Meetings in the Paramount Lot or the results of a panell discusion held in a convention hosted in a Crack detox hospital.
From everything I've read and heard about Rick Berman, the pre-Fed idea will never see the light of day because he thinks Trek is about going forward, not going back. He's itching for a ground based drama. Safe bet he's going to be the next Arron Spelling and it's going to be Starfleet Academy or Special Forces.
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I, like millions of other television / Star Trek fans am disappointed in the way Voyager has developed. Again, a network treats its viewers as needing mindless entertainment centering around special effects. What TNG brought to television was thought provoking story lines. I miss the debates in the "Ready Room" that really meant something, that made me think about what was going on with the situation.( How many sci-fi shows have won a Peabody Award?) I miss the intensity of DS9, the contuing sub stories that compelled to me to watch every week. Now, with talk of another Trek series, I am confident that Paramount will take the easy way out and carbon copy the same "pahser fights, proton torpedoes, lets give more explosions" story lines as Voyager. There are some shows (Law and Order), that provide great entertainment with intelligence. Why do you think Law and Order has been on TV for so long?
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First idea, sucks.
Second idea, sucks slightly less.
Third idea, pretty damn cool.
HOWEVER...
For any new Trek series to go...you know...it MUST have NEW WRITERS, BETTER WRITERS, and GOOD ACTORS.
Let us hope they learn from their mistakes.
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Two years ago, in total disgust, I had my cable turned off. There was nothing worthwhile on. In fact, I distinctly remember the night I was watching Voyager. During the commercial, I flipped channels and then quickly forgot what I was watching. When my girlfriend reminded me, I actually forgot what the show was about. I promptly had the cable turned off and started reading. Star Trek is dead. Face it -- as long as Berman thinks he has a cool idea, the show will tank everytime. Berman is Aaron Spelling with a tuck. Look closely people. Forget Sulu. Why? Because it's the best idea and they won't consider it because they won't be able to pay slash rates for young actors desparate for a job, or (b) it'll become a joke, with Chekov, Scotty and Uhura making guest appearances every third episode (no one wants to work with Shanter and Nimoy probably thinks he is above all this).
Star Trek: Excelsior, with Sulu at the helm as an experienced Captain with a fresh crew revisting the tried and true premise and themes of Star Trek will never happen as long as a hack like Berman sits in the captain's chair and pitches Star Trek 90210 (is this out of touch or what?). Save Starfleet Academy for a Saturday Morning Cartoon. -
Star Trek was set during a certain time, and what with the series and the movies, was pretty much done to death.
New Star Trek is now 3 series' large and with movies to come. I'm thinking we've pretty much got all we're gonna get out of that Star Trek too...
So, move on a coupla hundred years, just like last time. it's easy. That way you can keep all the old fave space races, evolve them to wherever you want and start again, back in the Enterprise.
Another alternative - who needs the Federation anyway? Focus somewhere else, old or new, whatever. make a series from a Klingon/Romulan/Cardassian/ Dominion perspective.
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Why don't they come up with a more futuristic Trek series. Go to the next step. Advance another 80 years from the current time period and show us whats new!!!
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Before I begin I would like to say that Sulu was always my favourite TOS characher, but its too late for the Sulu series now...If we'd not had that F**king awful VOYAGER episode we might have got away with it, but writing aside, that show had some pretty BAD acting in it, especially from Mr Takei...I don't know why (cos in ST6 he's cool as f**K), but it looked completely out of place, like he'd not bothered to learn his lines...and to be honest, I felt quite sad, and as for Grace Lee Whitney...she looked like she hadnt acted for about 20 years...she was bleeding TERRIBLE...I dont think I could stand more than one episode with her screetchy voice in it (I'm still coping with JANEWAY) Takei looked pretty old as well, I mean that episode was 3 years ago. He's too old now to lead a major series now, and although SULU is still my favourite TOS series character, I don't think he's a strong enough character to carry an entire show for 7 years...
Maybe a new show, set in the movie-era time frame...bit of action..throw in a bit of character...have all the movie costumes, make it look like ST2 or ST6, bit dark, bit moody...but cool. Throw in a Vulcan or 2, maybe a Klingon, & a bloke with a beard...but no cadets, no borg (we've had enough now) and no F**king Talaxian cooks... -
As a fan for 30+ years, I know what I DON'T want to see! I am not interested in the A-Team rip-off. The last season of DS9 had little appeal for me. Section-31 was a total bore. I dispise the Jem-Hadar and I find the Borg overused to the point of monotony. I especially HATE the idea of "DS90210" -- oops,I mean, "Starfleet Academy". Do we really need another TV show focusing on teenybopper puppy-love? Of the three proposed premises, the final, that of the pre-Federation past, is the one I'd support. My only concern is that women characters must be given better (stronger) roles than they had in TOS.
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Here's a question for you guys, who here has ever been to a pitch meeting? Whole point of a pitch meeting is to break down an episode or a whole series into no more then three to four phrases. If you need three minutes to explain it, it won't ever get made. It's that simple. Gene figured that out the hard way. "Trek: Original Recipe" didn't get off the ground until he used phrases like: "Wagon Train to the Stars!" and "Gunsmoke in space".
No matter what Rick Berman comes up with, no matter how much market research he does, he still has only 5 minutes to pitch each idea. The first idea with all that back story... forget it! He'll waste the first four minutes bringing everyone up to speed on Section 31 alone.
DS90210 isn't going to make it, because the original 90210 was just canceled according to MSNBC news.
Pre-Fed will only work in a pitch meeting if he doesn't bring up the fact that its a Trek series at all. If he can't explain to studio heads it takes place 150 years before "Original Recipe Trek", how is he going to sell it to Mr. and Mrs. Average American before the opening credits of the pilot?
He's gotta go in there with sound bites... "Star Trek: Special Forces!" or " Star Trek: Extra Crispy" or "Star Trek: History Channel"
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They should have a show with Will Rikers twin brother as the Captain of a ship. They could probably get Jonathan Frakes to do it. He loves doing the show.
Or they could do it with Will Riker and Deanna Troi, with the same premise as above. Granted they would not be able to do anymore trek movies with TNG cast.
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Now I feel bad, calling that second option Space:Above and beyond only worse. Eithe he really disliked that show, or he never watched it beyond the pilot. Personally, I thought S:AAB was alright, about as good as any sci-fi shows' first season ever gets. There was a lot of potential and the sfx and writting were getting better as the season drew to a close. Problem was that it aired the sae year that Fox got it's precious sports licenses, so it was always bumped or pre-empted, it didn't have a chance to build up a following. Too bad. Likening it to 90210 is unfair though, I was more like a WWII drama set in the future.
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That is the most awful, derivitive, adolescent pile of garbage I've heard since the "USS Excellant!" rumor.
HEY RICK! BRANNON! HOW ABOUT AN ORIGINAL IDEA!? HOW ABOUT HIRING REAL SCIENCE FICTION WRITERS!? HOW ABOUT RETIRING!? HOW ABOUT EATING POISON?! -
...the next series feature a relatively inexperienced crew on a new Enterprise who screw up as much as they get it right. Imagine trying to live in the shadows of legends. How about in Trek X, Picard et all are sent out to the edge of the Federation to solve a new crisis...only they have trouble. Our new crew is sent to help. In the third act, The Enterprise-E is sacrificed to save the new crew. In the series, they return home they are given a new ship and missions out in this new territory. But everybody blames them for the loss of the legendary Picard and crew, so they have to fight uphill to gain respect. Done right, this could mix the best of TOS (exploring and overcoming human weaknesses), TNG (space exploration), and DS9 (political intrigue and action.
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Listen, I think we can all agree that these ideas aren't good. They simply won't make a series if we don't like the ideas... that's just plain stupid. It won't sell, and we, the Trekkers themselves, will possibly lose interest. If I'm right, at least somebody at Paramount will get the gist that we don't like the way things are going... they got a great response to the Sulu idea, right? Most if not all of us liked that idea. There are just so many things that could be done in that era... the Klingons and the Romulans are there, the less than used Gorn, the Tholians, you name it, they have it. No Borg... no Dominion, no debating whether the Defiant Or Sovereign is better... There is so much to gain, so little to lose. Personally, I love the Borg, but they get a ton of use with Voyager, right? They can do so many plots that have never really been done before. That's Star Trek's motto... it's essence. "To boldly go where no man has gone before..." They could tie in the Enterprise B's voyages, Kirk's death... the Klingon negotiations... a point in history where the Federation DOESN'T know everything... it's perfect, isn't it? Tell me your points of view, and we can outdo them... we're the ones they're doing this for, right?
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I wouldn't mind a Starfleet academy style series but not '90210 in space'! Paramount should get in contact with Chris Cooper the man who wrote the Starfleet academy comic series for marvel. If this was adapted and altered to fit a more updated time line, I believe it would make an excellent new show that could be somewhere between next generation and DS9. Focusing on exploration and conflict. It did have some teenage problems but it's main focus was on adventure rather then being '90210 in space'!
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Kasper took the thoughts right out of my head. The reason that TNG worked was because they took the original concept of the show and used it again. They moved it into the future so that what happened with the original cast affected what happened with the show but not to as great a deal as to alter it drastically. It was refreshing yet still familiar enough to draw the audience. Why not return to that? Many have said how much Voyager is closer to Roddenberry's designs for Star Trek than any of the other recent series. I fail to see it because they have gotten off track. Especially with the whole Borg thing. Roddenberry's idea was that society on Earth had evolved to a point where we could explore the universe as one people. And to go out and find others. "New worlds and new civilizations." Let us return to that concept. Let's move ahead to the future. Maybe only 80 years like TNG was from TOS. Maybe more. END THE FEDERATION. Say the galaxy/universe has gone through a horrific mass war. All alliances are off. Most worlds have become isolated unto themselves, including and most especially Earth. In fact, say most space travel has ceased from Earth. The planet is in ruins. But life is not "post-apocolyptic" and dark like most movies. Say it is closer to H.G. Welles vision in "The Time Machine." A little more utopian, but something is a tad ajar. Suddenly people begin to explore again and the past begins to uncover of great travels to the stars and other worlds. Certain technologies are discovered, but it is essentially like starting all over again. This could be a way of incorporating the history of Trek and the show idea of the pre-Fed adventures. We see the ramifications of the war on all the familiar societies. We also get to follow this crew making first contact with known groups and new worlds. Even worlds we have already seen that have been drastically changed by the war and time. Hell, even what they are doing with the movies can work into this. Say the fallout of ST: Insurrection is that the Federation begins to war within itself. Maybe not literally war but its very fabric begins to tear as people are on either side of the issue. As a result, the Federation is weak and some other alliance sparks a "great war." Imagine how interesting it would be to see these people start over and follow Roddenberry's dream of the show, but to also slowly but surely find out what has happened to our existing Trek universe. And the only other thing I would add is have the episodes connect. Much like DS9's running story (and actually closer to B5). Don't do stupid "stand-alone" episodes like Crewman Johnson is trapped in a warp-field flux brought on by a transporter malfunction and a rift in the space-time continuum. Will we get him out and just who's mind is he going to peer into as a result? Unless it directly affects the story and outcome of the series as a whole. There is hope for Star Trek. The fans are still there. But like someone else said, they have to be willing to take risks.
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How come no one is latching on to the idea as Data as Captain? I was really expecting to hear some response to that. How cool would that be? Remember the episode where he took command of that starship and had to overcome the prejudice of his First Officer? Cool, right? Now take that and expand it over a whole series. Come on, people, either get behind this or tell me to shut the hell up. You know its a good idea.
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Brent spiner is about 50 now...he's a touch on the wrinkly side...I mean, I know the makeup is still good, but in the last film he looked a bit...well Fat....and he'd cost a bleeding fortune, what did he get for INSURRECTION ? I bet it was a few million...They wouldn't be able to pay anyone else in the show,
Don't get me wrong, would be a great idea (a few years ago!!!)...far too impractical now though...
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My fucking hair is real--alright!!
Or, at least it is now thanks to a new transplant technology that allowed doctors to remove the hair from my crack and testicles and graft it to my scalp. And if any of you have a problem with that, then go back to your dark basement dwellings and fuck you're life sized cardboard seven-of-nine cutouts. I've had the real thing! And she Is blond all over. I'm still picking those sweet golden pubes out of my teeth. -
i think it's pretty obvious that those who would like to see star trek continue have two common denominators:
the starship ENTERPRISE and a return to 'seeking out new life and new civilizations.'
you don't need to see every mind-numbing episode of voyager to know that this is the core of star trek.
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I say scrap them all! The only show that seems to capture the Star Trek Mythos the best is one with an Enterprise and seeking out new life and new civilations. But it's not time for that show. We are fresh of the heals of Voyager, which has pretty much done just that. So we need something different, something bold. And it's sitting under their noses! It's the Kilingons! Make show about the Kilingons and all the problems they face. Hell, they could throw in a couple human starfleet officers that have been assigned on a long term assignment, sort of like the one Riker did in TNG. The show could explore how humans fare in a totally alien culture for an extended period of time. How are they going to react when the Klingons don't follow the Prime Directive. And you mean to tell me that Starfleet knows all the enemies in space. I don't think so! The Klingons probably have more than one enemy that Starfleet doesn't know about. The show could have Worf and Maratok. Heck, the show could star Worf. Michael Dorn might just do it too. Worf could try and help the humans better understand Klingons, while at the same time Worf is dealing with the Klingon culture as well. Also throw in a fracturing Domionan for kicks. How are the Vorta and Jem Hader going to react when they have no more gods.
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How about a show that focuses on some alien race (Klingons,Cardassians or some completely new guys) which is, in essence, a Federation wannabe? They had a really imperialistic,totalitarian past but have fallen on hard times and are desperately trying to look nice and democratic - fast. So, they send their best ship and crew on a mission of goodwill with much the same motto as USS Enterprise's. The crew's a mixture of free thinkers,dissidents and old school hardliners (many of whom are commanding officers).So, this crew is basically on the same mission as all the previous Trek crews but they are mostly alien (they should have human Federation representatives/advisers on board though) and are plagued by all sorts of troubles connected with their recent "bad guys" past. Sort of a "Birth of the Federation" show,with a difference..How about that?
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If this is the best Paramount can do, then just kill Trek altogether and spare us any more embarassment. The Navy Seals idea sounded good initially, but the setup itself is totally out of line with the spirit of Trek, while the 22nd Century one is just a nerdy fanboy concept. Don't even get me started on "Dawson's Trek" either....
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It seems as if some people here, think that exploration and discovery of new life forms should not be the premise of a new series...but on th eother hand Star Trek 90210 isn't going to work either. How about something extremely radical? How about a real shakeup in the Trek world?
I think a Star Trek series set 100 years after TNG and sometime shortly after the destruction of the Federation due to a great war and plague would be a kick ass premise. Imagine the new dominant power in the galaxy is bent on destroying any remnants of the Federation.
What's left of the Federation council and Starfleet headquarters could be based on Vulcan (Earth is under occupation with most of the human population dead.) with the Klingons providing the security.
Small pockets of resistance "cells" have sprung up through the galaxy. the last remaining starships are assembled to seek out the resistance cells and new allies in order to rebuild the Federation and take back the galaxy.
I think this would be a great idea... there could be plenty of action for those who need explosions, exploration (have to find the resistance cells and new allies)for those needing adventure, and intrigue (having to work with what's left of the Federation and the eventual rebuilding of..)
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The only common threads I have seen in this Talkback and others dealing with Trek is the almost universal frustration of fans with the current creative direction (or non-direction) of the franchise and a lack of strong, coherent leadership and vision. As a result, it's as if Trek has been cast out to sea, floating aimlessly, with no consensus about where it should ultimately find port.
Endlessly rehashing the same old ideas in these Talkbacks got tiresome a long time ago. None of the ideas expressed so far could sustain a show for seven seasons. They're novelty acts, one-shot wonders that would be interesting to see as a short story arc within a larger framework, but not as a series itself.
That being said, I've never been completely convinced that Trek is dead and needs to disappear for five or so years. What needs to disappear are the current crop of writers and producers. Honestly, anyone who may have seen the latest embarrassment named Voyager based around the Doctor singing to the latest nose-crinkle-of-the-week-aliens and going round and round the same tired question of "Is the hologram sentient" (didn't we already do this in TNG with the beat-into-the-ground "Is the android sentient?") must surely recognize that the people in charge of the franchise are creatively bankrupt. But in the real world, people don't just up and quit their jobs and unemploy themselves. So Berman & Co. will likely be around for the forseeable future. That's too bad. It almost certainly ensures the continuing mediocrity of the Trek franschise, no matter what it's inevitable next incarnation will be. -
These ideas keep sounding worse and worse...and by that, I mean as I keep reading through the Talkback. Some of these are truly awful...I'd much rather see "Starfleet Academy" than "Star Trek: Klingons" or whatever. (Actually, I really wouldn't be totally against an SA series, but I'm one of very few, I'm sure.) WHY would I want to watch a pre-TOS series? Why would I want to waste my time watching a fictional history of a nonexistent timeframe? These settings are thrown out with no regard to the characters and secondary plotlines as if they're OK on their own. But they're not; a pre-TOS or pre-TNG series isn't interesting on its own because we know where those stories HAVE to go. (Or SHOULD have to go, a qualification made necessary by the lack of continuity on Voyager now that would probably make the pre-TNG series awful to fans, as well.) If the series is going to center around these plots, it's simply not interesting to me. If the series is going to center around characters, and it should, as almost every good TV series now does, why not set it in a "current" or beyond timeframe? Why not build upon the characters and plots we've already seen? Why throw everything else out? My issue isn't that I have a better idea: I don't. But I think these settings and premises being thrown out by obsessive fans in many cases border on truly terrible...we don't need a pre-TNG series, and we don't need a high concept premise. If we get a good initial storyline upon which to base interesting characters, that'll be a great start. It's ALL they need to do...and I'm sure they realize this. These people watch TV. They know a "Romulan Intelligence Agents' Kids Want to Defect" series won't fly with the general public. Finally, I want to close with an impassioned plea to whoever from Paramount may be reading right now. Please, get John Stamos to be the series star. He's really the only choice on the market right now who can play Captain Kirk's grandson, who clearly must be the central character on the show. Thank you all for your time.
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I've read every Talkback concerning Trek on this site and the same fan-inspired ideas always get repeated. Sulu-Trek, Klingon-Trek, post-apocolyptic Trek, Sec. 31-Trek, etc. All this tells me is that the fan base is divided and confused. All the fans really know is that they want good Trek, but they're not quite sure what that would look like. Given experienced, veteran writers that aren't in their twenties and have some life experience, probably most of the ideas suggested could be satisfying, at least for a while.
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Okay, check this out. Since good ol' rick decided to do some revisionist history, let's hit "Reset on the whole thing" and start over from scratch. Maybe a new "Original Series" with a full makeover, with different cast and crew. Let's get back to our roots by shaking things down to the roots! The only way to start fresh is by starting over, and with a COMPLETELY new universe to play around in, we can raise the stakes a few notches, and invite new fans, and old fans, into a brave new world.
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A lot of people say that DS9 was great, unique, innovative... I couldn't stand the show until it turned into a "space opera" of sorts. The whole Dominion war story line was kick ass! I didn't want to miss an episode because then I'd miss a vital part of the story! I was hooked! That's why Star Trek should become "Days of Our Lives" in space with lots of battles and a good story line like DS9. But please, God, do not let Paramount make "Space, 90210: Above and Beyond Dawson's Creek Where the Vampire Slayer Lives." Teen bubble-gum television is WB's territory... just stick with creating a NEW formula for Star Trek. It really needs a shot in the arm.
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The TNG episode "The Outrageous Okana". Maybe thats what we need for a new series... A Han Solo'esque rogue. An independant Captain, not part of the Feds, off having cool Mercenary missions....
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all three sound vaguely familiar, but I am most intrigued by the third PRE-TOS series. At least it appears to have character. The only problem I have is that is reads like the book ST:"First Frontier."
In the story the Federation is becoming too large with no unifying force. As a result, a new ship has been built (the original constitution class vessel)
George Kirk (Jimmy boy's father) is head of security on Starbase One. He is drugged, kidnapped and taken aboard the nameless ship (hint: it is named Enterprise later). The captain Robert April plans to use the new ship to show it is a vessel of peace by rescuing a ship stuck in an Ion field (mind you its armed to the teeth) and recuits George to balance his timidity vs George's rashness.
Along the way the ship is sabotaged and thrown into Romulan space. The result is a struggle to get out, prevent another war, and save the ideals of peace.
All in all it is a good book with a lot of references to Romulan-Vulcan history and the place in history that the Enterprise holds. I suggest you read the book if possible.
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Sailor_MPLS really hit the nail on the head when he wrote "The only way to start fresh is by starting over, and with a COMPLETELY new universe to play around in, we can raise the stakes a few notches, and invite new fans, and old fans, into a brave new world." To do this, he suggests recasting TOS and redoing it. Clearly, this is the way to go, but might I suggest an even more radical change for Star Trek, Series V? First of all, they should rename the ship, since Enterprise is kind of a gay name if you think about it and you're a homosexual, so you know. But maybe they'll keep that for tradition's sake. They also should rename it and not call it "Star Trek". I'm not suggesting they call it "Space: Above and Beyond" or "Babylon 5", don't be ridiculous, but the "Star Trek" name has got to go. Also, maybe it should be set in the present day and be about police officers, but maybe if they want to set it in space, that could work too. Radical change is all I'm saying, and why not start, as Harrison Ford often says, by "rocking it like this"? Engage, or as Captain April will say, storms a-brewin'!
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They were going to brain us with those clubs!!
Bring back Captain Kirk. We could have a show with the arsekicking elements of all the series. Get Kirk on a spaceship caught in a rift in the space-time continuum with Riker, Picard, Sisko, Seven of Nine and The Doctor. What a great show that would be!!
They could even use CGI to bring back Deforrest Kelley!!!!
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A sure fire way for a new series would be to bring back the Enterprise featured in Star Trek Generations with Ferris Buller's Friend Cameron in the Capt's seat once more. It seems that most people are right that maybe George Takei might not want to do another Star Trek series (he is getting old and may not be able to do a weekly series). Think of the possiblities!!! We have little information regarding this Excelcieor class vessel and it will satisfy both hard-core trekies and bring in new fans. I'm for bringing back Star Trek to it's roots and to tell you the truth im tired of all this Time Travel shit that the series seems to put up when the big wigs at Paramount are desperate for a ratings boost. To all the fans out there " Say No!!" to stories regarding time travel. I just hope that if the people at Paramount do as I say Capt. Cameron does not melt down and fuck up again like he did in Generations.
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...they should make it like Buffy. Dark, characters you can believe in and story lines that span entire seasons or may be mentioned again in the future. Hell just ask Joss Wheedon to write the damn thing.
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First thing, this whole "Omega" idea reeks of Star *Wars* - I'm specifically thinking of Episode I, which was more about really interesting CGI than anything. I'm not going to be horribly interested in various and sundry explosions and death rays in space unless there is something *behind* it. I'd like to see a genuine plotline behind it, if I may be so bold.
I'm also a tad bit concerned about this Federation-building one. It sounds like a very good idea - but I want to see it as an actual history. Star Trek has this nasty episodic tendency, and I don't want the Federation to be in "we're working on it" stages for an indefinite time. The limited run series idea might work - as long as there is some overall plot to it - at least "we run into Klingons, start a war, form Federation to deal with it" sort of thing.
Don't suppose we can just con Paramount into giving us back Crusade?
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First thing, this whole "Omega" idea reeks of Star *Wars* - I'm specifically thinking of Episode I, which was more about really interesting CGI than anything. I'm not going to be horribly interested in various and sundry explosions and death rays in space unless there is something *behind* it. I'd like to see a genuine plotline behind it, if I may be so bold.
I'm also a tad bit concerned about this Federation-building one. It sounds like a very good idea - but I want to see it as an actual history. Star Trek has this nasty episodic tendency, and I don't want the Federation to be in "we're working on it" stages for an indefinite time. The limited run series idea might work - as long as there is some overall plot to it - at least "we run into Klingons, start a war, form Federation to deal with it" sort of thing.
Don't suppose we can just con Paramount into giving us back Crusade?
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Man, I remember the days of TNG - when I would wait all week to see what happens next, VCR at the ready...
Now I could not care less about Trek. I knew where it was going the first time they took the "classical" Trek theme music and replaced it with synth drums while showing the preview for next weeks episode during the last few seasons on TNG. Now Trek is just like any other action adventure show you can see on UPN/Fox/WB, just with better FX. The last episode I tried to watch was the one with Barclay and Troi. What a complete waste of talent. Barclays character on TNG was just fantastic, so fun to watch! And Sirtis deserves better than pretending to be Barclays friend - and doing nothing else! G.R. may have had his faults, but he knew what good writing was!
Re this new show thing. To me its really simple what they should do:
1. Stop Voyager
2. No new Trek for at least 2 years.
3. Then a new TNG movie (if its possible)
4. Followed by the show option #3; and a return to really good characters that you actually like to see (ok I like to see Jeri Ryan but not enough to sit through Voyager).
We are so overloaded with bad Trek we need some time to "de-assimmilate" ourselves from it before another attempt is made.
Trek is a great idea; it just needs some TLC.
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Never before was such a large collection of bitter, angry, disgruntled Star Trek fans brought together in one place. Of course, everytime I come to AICN and look at Talk Back, it's negativity galore.
First off, that first idea was so incredibly bogus. No way would the idea be that far fecthed and I doubt it would be that well developed. Secondly, I'm not sure that second one is factual either, I've heard about the testing, but I heard only one idea had as much development as the above mentioned examples, and that was the Academy Idea. Both the pre-TOS and special forces ideas would be good if done properly. And finally, we all know that Voyager sucks. We all have a fairly good idea why. Everybody says their trying to squeeze as much as they can out of Trek. I don't think this is neccessarily true, especially from the studio's POV. Think what Paramount has without Trek. A weak network and a studio that produces a coupleof good movies a year. The Execs will not let Trek fall into the craphole you guys think it is going into. Good buisness people know you don't carelessly handle your big assets. If enough of these people like Ron Moore who whine and bitch about how Trek is being handled, the execs will listen. -
I would like to see a new Star Trek series based on the first voyage of the Enterprise with Captain Robert April in command.
Star Trek: First Voyages would be a great show in Roddenberry tradition.
A brand new untested starship with a new universe to explore.
George Kirk as First officer (based on the Novel: Enterprise).
Sarah April as Medical officer.
Robert and Sarah don't marry right away, so there's time to develop the relationship there as a backstory.
In the novel, Robert April is very cerebral, very much like we are used to Picard being.
These stories could show the incidents which establish future Federation Policy, like the Prime Directive.
Relationships with other (later ally) races such as Vulcan, Tellar, Andor, and others can be explored.
Although Klingons may not figure large in this series. Romulans and Orions could.
If handled right, and the treknobabble is removed. This could be a great series.
Greg Jein has already recreated the original Enterprise which could be used. Sets can be adapted from the TOS sets and modified to be more primitive.
Technology and Transporters and things are less well developed then, making for less treknobabble.
Richard Daystrom could be shown developing Duotronics and the first Duotronics based starship computer. Lots of drama here as the character shown in the TOS episode could be shown in an earlier time, pre breakdown.
No Ferengi, Dominion, Bajor, Cardassians, etc..
There might even be a young Christopher Pike as part of the crew, and a new actress could play an earlier "Number One" character.
I'd like to see this.
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Yes, if they will cast 7 of 9 as an instructor-phys ed possibly...
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Anyone else start watching Farscape and think, "Wow, sci-fi can
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Maybe it's just me but Farscape has made me realize what a poorly written, plothole filled venture most of Star Trek has been. I can hardly watch an episode of ANY of the series now without yelling "BEAM THEM UP" or "RAISE the BLOODY shields" because that would save the whole crew and end the show right then. But no, they have to take the hard way. My point being, good work is about great writing and creativity and frankly, I can't remember the last time Trek gave me that. Farscape did last week.
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particularly relatively. The plot is generally non-obvious (and yes, I was smart enough to catch the many 'clever' plot tricks in TPM), the acting is good, and even the muppets are bearable. I've only seen about 7 episodes, but the one or two of them creeping around in the 'Peace Keeper' base was really fun. And that interrogator guy they have in the season finales is amazing; he looks like Grand Moff Tarkin back from the grave and madder than hell. As I said, this is relative. Farscape is definitely better than any other Sci-fi show I've seen on television in the past 5, possibly even 10 years. It could just some tweaks, but it's not even in the same (minor league) ballpark as DS9 or Voyager.
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Thank the gods for that man. I really have lost interest in star trek the last couple years since a buddy convinced me to watch all his tapes of that series with the guy with the funny hair. turned out to be B5, and man, that show is the best sci-fi ive ever seen. like an epic novel, wonderful writing. the shit hits the fan in that show, where star trek labors in dullness for weeks on end. B5 man, i had no idea of how incredibly good it is. blows trek out of the water. i watched every episode through completion of b5, best thing ive ever seen....if someone posts about the cgi or the hairdo's or some crap, you really dont get it, nothing to do with that, the writing is incredible. no cheese holodeck/nothing happening episodes...well, the first season was a bit alow but it set everything up. i thought some ds9's were great, that show had a hell o alot of potential, but instead of using the grand scale of the universe to tell awe-inspiring stories of aliens and war and incredible things, we sat in the holodeck or in the bar or got tied up in mediocrity. use the universe! there is so much that could be explored. generations was overall wonderful, but the series i think should be put to rest for a while. the man who's vision it was is gone, can that spirit ever really be captured?
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Wow if this is true...I have finally seen something a Star Trek villain couldn't do. Kill the Federation and everyone else with them.
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This is such a massive interview, with so many aspects to comment on, that I`ve decided to break up my response into several different installments. Here is the first.
"Moore explains his use of the term "they," which comes up in much of the conversation. "My use of -
...At least not as long as you numbskulls are so willing to suck at the teat of any two-bit loser that Paramount puts in charge of the show (Rick Berman? Sheesh! He should do everyone a favor and step down!). Of course...we can only expect more of the same because STAR TREK is, at this point, like a McDonalds product. The shows are designed and written by committee to appeal to the broadest possible audience. It hasn't been about science fiction for years. I mean, this is a series in which a robot named DATA seeks to be like a HUMAN...but he's too stupid to CHANGE HIS NAME FROM DATA to something more human like Bob (not to mention the illogic which has kept his skin from looking like flesh...DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE BUILT A DAUGHTER IN AN EPISODE WITH HUMAN-LOOKING SKIN!! Of course, maybe all this time he has been practicing the human trait of stupidity...). And please, don't get me started on the holodeck (a.k.a. the untalented writer's device to generate story ideas). Oh damn...I need another drink now.
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Harry, will you kill this story and the talback already? These people are making me sick with all the bitch and moan.
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im tellin ya,All the things everyone wants here with trek are given in b5. story and characters that develop and go through hell and change dramatically and even die, battle and war that actually happens on grand scale and all with meaning, a huge tremendous story that has so many intelligent twists, man, i like trek, but it is a pimple on the ass of THE GREAT JMS. if the whole planet bashes me for loving b5, ill defend to the death. you wait seasons to see something intense actually happen in trek, nothing ever does. cultures are thrashed in b5 and changed,and you see the before and after, peoples lives get radically changed. JMS writes ten times better then any cheese latter day trek writer. i guess the only bane for some people is that you have to watch all the episodes in succesion and if you watch one here and there its confusing. but man, it kicked the SHIT out of any trek. im done, im just genuinely trying to let sc-fi fans who dont know, b5 is so much better then ya think. give it a shot. seriously, everything you want more of in trek is in it. ds9 could have been so good but nothing frigging happens, what a waste of a universe....yes, let the bashing begin, i dont care
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Greetings fellow trekkers. As many of you have already so eloquently stated, the three proposals currently being shopped around are as tasteful as last week's bilge. And as much as I would like to see the Sulu timeframe project go forward, I must regretfully admit that George T. has passed the prime of his command career and would, by this time, have been expected to have advanced in rank and/or retired.
However, that doesn't mean that there isn't an opportunity for a new series. Quite the opposite, there is a golden opportunity to bring back the absolute best of what makes Trek something that we all know and love, while providing a multitude of opportunities to the actors, writers, and various stage craft professionals in the trade.
Here's the idea:
How about a show based on the records stored at Memory Alpha? Each week, preferrably two--as a two week per episode show would provide the opportunity to flesh out the story more than just a single hour, and gives writers the ability to excersise the "To be Continued" aspect which drives us nuts and sends us all scurrying back to our sets the following week to see the finale--we would be treated to one of the more dramatic and history making events that comprise the Star Trek Universe. This would allow us to do the entire history of the Federation, to see some of the long forgotten and abandonded species of the Federation, such as the Tellarians, Gorn, Tholians, etc... AND gives actors throughout the industry the opportunity to get screen time, in an episode, knowing that it's not a lifetime commitment. This would be somewhat similar to the "Tales of the Crypt" style of show, which as I understand, at one time had actors practically begging to be on the show. Think about it. New Ships, new crews, new history, writers have freedom to create, innovate, and fill in the gaps. And we, the viewers, get the benefits of their talents.
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did i say b5? oh haha dear me, i meant of course battlestar galactica, the greatest epic vision of science fiction ever created. its been too many yarns since weve seen anything even fracking close to being good. and we're still some twenty centons from a good show.
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It was about a billion times more interesting then ANY of these stupid ST spin-offs like ST:V or DS9. Hell it was better then half the episodes of TNG. Any critic or person that dubbed it "Melrose Space" or "90210 in Space" didn't bother to watch it past the first hour of the pilot which was a bit melodramatic but only because it needed to set up the charcter's stories. What followed was a kick-ass hard-boiled WWII in Space show that was much closer in feel to the novel Starship Troopers then the film based on it. Which itself was 90210 in space blah. Space:AAB was nothing like that. It was closer to the 1940s WWII films such as 12 'o' clock high, Thirty Seconds over Tokyo or a half dozen other classic WWII films. I think this idiot who called it "crap" never bothered to actually WATCH it. Probably do busy watching crap like Voyager and DS9 blah.
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Well, lets see, it stands right now that most people want to kill the federation. And most of us like the federation too much, even if we ourselves, would love to command a ship and screw the prime directive and have weak races work for us. But theres a couple ideas. Delta Quadrant: Remember the evil starship captain that did JUST what I talked about? How bout a show on that? screw the fed's principles.. And then again, we've explored the Delta Quadrant, we know whats in the Gamma Quadrant, What about that final quadrant on the other side of the galaxy, I think its called the Omega Quadrant. How about a "federation" trying to grow there or something, (another race of course, but you know)
And finally, I think I'd like to see the show from the Cardassian's point of view. Lets face it, The military will probably not be in control anymore, the planet is ruined, they've been stomped on by every single major power in the quadrant, lets see them return to power, and flex some muscle again. But then again, Why does it have to be the cardassians? It could be the romulans? (Not the klingons, their whole society is "Kill for glory" and everyone knows it, but not much is known about the rommies or the cardies" -
After reading like half of those posts (in which I almost pulled out my hair doing) I've come to one conclusion. Half of you idiots will never vote. You'll become those dumb fucks who complain from term-to-term about how sucky our government is, and how you wish the President wouldn't have been elected, but you never voted and did something about it. The same plays true here... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! Complaining about how sucky these ideas are, and saying "This is the worst shit the writers at Paramount has ever shlopped into the toilet" doesn't do anyone a bit of good! If you think it sucked, tell them why. Don't tell them it sucked. I THINK ALL OF YOU IDIOTS SUCK!!!! Now. Do any of you care that I just said that? No... Why should they? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Now, here's my response to a few of your comments. First, XBob or whoever, I can't remember. Your idea with Data becoming the captain CAN'T WORK. Personally, I think the entire concept sucks anyway, but that's just me. Another part of me thinks it's a really good idea. But. You probably didn't know this, but you know the movie Star Trek: Insurrection? Brent Spiner (who plays Data) Requested to be KILLED OFF in that movie. The man is like in his late 40's early 50's. He's TOO OLD to play Data anymore. Picard, he can play Picard for another 20 years and no one will care, he's human. But a Grandpa looking Android who isn't supposed to be able to do that, well it's just not realistic.
....... I remember wanting to comment on Kasper a little, cuz that guy's probably the smartest one of you morons (Yeah, like I'm really all that smart-- anyway--). At anyrate, here's my suggestion:
It is, has always been, and forever will be my belief that Jonathan Frakes is the best Character on Star Trek ever to have existed. Now, this decision didn't come easily to me. God knows there are a lot of people to choose from, and this wasn't an easy decision for me to make. So any of you who disagree, go ahead.... anyway, I'm straying from the Subject.
Star Trek the original Series will never return. I honestly don't want it to return. Star Trek sucked. TNG and DS9 and Voyager are all kick ass (well, I don't get UPN or whatever, so who knows what happened to Voyager in the last few years, I hear it's gone all to hell). I'm just a big fan of the newer looking Trek, and those damn buttons with no writing on them... what was that? Did anyone notice that there really wasn't anything to read on those computers on the first Enterprise? How did a new recruit know one button from the other??? Anyway... I'm straying again. Point being. Jonathan Frakes. No, I'm not saying for him to come back into another series. If that happened, first of all the show would die, second of all, he wouldn't be my favorite character anymore, third of all, I'd stop watching Star Trek all together, and if push came to shove I'd probably have to kill myself.
(The last one was just a joke)
What was the best movie of Star Trek with the new Series? Generations, First Contact, or Insurrection? First of all, Generations sucked ass. I didn't even get the point of the movie. In my opinion, all the writers and producers wanted to do was get William Shatner into another movie. First Contact, now that was a kick fucking ass movie. Explosions, death, assimilation, more death, BORG, a kick ass starship battle, good storyline, but it wouldn't work out for a good series. So please... no Borg... ever... again.... Insurrection... that was probably the best movie I've ever seen (besides The Matrix). Who wrote it? Who helped produce it? Who directed it? Jonathan Frakes. He obviously knows what he's doing. Whether it's plausable or not, kick the writers we have now out of the damn business, let them go write for Nickleodian or whatever. I could give a rip whether or not we have them bodly seeking out new life and crap. That's getting old. DS9 was the best series ever, and they didn't do that every episode. I think that another Space Station would just be a little repetative, and if there's not a Starship, then it's not Star Trek. I say we get a more contraversial Star Trek into the series. Have Jonathan Frakes produce and direct the new Star Trek, while having Peter David write it. First of all. New Frontier is better then the Original Series, and while it can't beat the family like structure of the Enterprise-D/E crew, storyline wise, it kicks the crap out of the Next Generation. That's my suggestion, get Peter David to write up the idea, have Jonathan Frakes co-write and direct and produce it. What do you get? One fucking good show! If this happens, I'll buy a freaking satalite dish to get UPN so I can watch the show. -
You idiot. There is no Omega Quadrant. Quad means 4. There are only 4 quadrants. What the hell is wrong with you????
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