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Comic-Con: Quint has a detailed rundown of the 8-ish minutes of The Amazing Spider-Man footage and panel Q&A!
SPOILER ALERT !!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. The crowd started clapping as the Spider-Man logo appeared on the Comic-Con monitors, like they were anticipating the start of a ballgame. Slowly the lights dim and we were shown the trailer in 3D.
The audience applause was polite, but you can tell the room expected something new. And new they would get, they just had to wait for a few minutes.
The first surprise of the panel was when the shitty radio DJ moderator was interrupted by a man in cheap WalMart Spider-Man costume at the audience Q&A mic who said he had a question and was so happy to be there as Spider-Man. He takes off his mask and it’s Andrew Garfield. He went on to read a prepared speech that was awkward, but sincere and from the heart. He was humbled to be amongst us, he always wanted to come to Comic-Con as a fan and now he’s here as Spider-Man.
He went on to talk about how much Peter Parker meant to him as a skinny kid growing up. Garfield even went so far as to say Spider-Man saved his life.
He was out of breath, reading from scribbled notes on loose sheets of paper and obviously nervous as hell, but all that did was endear him more to the audience.
Not that he needed much help. After he took the stage and joined director Marc Webb, producers Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach, and Emma Stone we were shown just what he can do.
There are two scenes that stuck out to me in the nearly 8 minutes of footage we were shown. One is a conversation in his school hallway after being reamed by the principal in front of Uncle Ben for bullying another student (Flash Thompson?). Uncle Ben asks if it was true, that he “humiliated” the boy. Reluctantly Parker confirms, but said the guy deserved it. “Did he? Is he the kid who hit you?” “Well, yeah…” “So, all this is about getting even? If so, you must be feeling pretty good about yourself.” Guilt tripped by Uncle Ben!
They’re interrupted by Gwen who walks into this family dispute as Uncle Ben says that because of this disruption he had to change shifts at work and Peter will have to pick up Aunt May (a change in Spidey’s origin story?). There was an earlier sequence that showed Uncle Ben seeing Gwen on Peter’s computer background. With a smile, he says, “She looks familiar. She’s the girl on your computer. He’s got you on his computer!”
First guilt tripped and then humiliated! The awkward banter that resulted was my first indication that my early trust in this cast was paying off. Garfield’s Parker came across as sweet, good natured, but nervous. “So… uh…” Gwen: “Yeah?” Peter: “Uh… do you wanna… or we could do something else… we could…” Gwen: “Yeah. Yeah. Either one.” It was just sweet and made me instantly fall for Gwen.
The second scene that told me Andrew Garfield was perfect for Spider-Man was a scene as Spidey, so he has both sides of the coin covered as far as I’m concerned.
The Spidey footage wasn’t an action scene, but really illustrated Spider-Man as a character in a way that the Raimi films, as much as I dig them, severely disappointed in: Spider-Man is a smart-ass and loves to crack wise with bad guys. There are those moments in the Raimi films for sure, but they always felt tacked on to me, not organic.
The scene has a thug break into a car. He sits behind the wheel and Spider-Man, in full costume is sitting in the backseat already. “In the future, if you’re going to steal cars, don’t dress like a car thief.” “Who are you? Are you a cop?!?” Spidey tilts his head. “Really? You seriously think I’m a cop? In a skintight, red and blue suit?”
We cut to Spidey with another thug who is brandishing a knife. Spider-Man raises his hands in the air and gets down on his knees saying (in an exaggerated way): “Is that a knife!?! Is that a real knife?!?” “Yes, it’s a knife!” “No, no! Not a knife! Anything but that!?!” then Spidey webshoots the Thug’s knife hand to the wall behind him and starts playing with the dude, even pretending to sneeze and shooting more web fluid on him.
We also saw some more backstory, including more of Parker looking through his old man’s leather bag. Uncle Ben tells him it was his dad’s (as seen in the trailer), then adds “He asked us to keep it safe for him.” Peter pulls out his Dad’s Oscorp badge, glasses and all that and finds a file folder that, I’d imagine contains his father’s web formula.
Much of this footage was cut together in chunks, telling a basic story to us, but not giving us a whole lot of super early detail. We saw Parker building his web shooters and it felt a little like Iron Man in that you have a guy at work, hunched over a table with a bunch of tools, seemingly knowing what he’s doing. At one point Parker burns his finger on a hot piece of soldered metal and hisses as he pulls his finger away… that kind of thing, just a little character detail that grounds the movie a tad amongst the building of a pretty advance mechanism.
Parker dealing with his newfound powers was shown in a montage beginning with his alarm going off in the morning. When he lazily reaches over the digital alarm clock explodes in sparks and shards of plastic. This new strength makes his morning rituals a bit hazardous and he even has a fight scene on a subway train as Parker where seems to accidentally be beating them up, tearing the pole from the ground and hitting the thugs like a Buster Keaton movie.
We also saw hints of Dennis Leary’s Captain Stacy who seems to be on the hunt for Spider-Man, whose sigul seems to be popping up all over the city near where crime is happening. Spidey is implicated.
More quick shots as Leary has a voiceover talking about Spider-Man wearing a mask, like an outlaw as Aunt May is distraught seeing a battered and bruised Peter standing in her kitchen. “Where do you go? Who does this to you?!?”
And we get a close shot of Parker unmasked, but in the Spidey suit, cuts on his face screaming out “Dr. Connors, this is not you! Stop it, stop it now!” And for further great Spider-Man/Lizard imagery there’s a great shot of Spider-Man slowly lowering himself down into the sewers hanging upsidedown in that classic Spider-Man pose, feet on the webbing.
That was the end of the first bit of footage, but not long into the panel they announced Rhys Ifans was there and showed us the “Here’s the villain batch of footage.”
It was very early days for sure and Ifans was wearing the green sock over his right arm for the majority of the shots (although we did get a couple that showed his stump.
”I’m Doctor Curtis Connors. In case you’re wondering I’m a southpaw, not a cripple.” That’s the first thing we hear him say in the footage as Gwen Stacy and a batch of students (including Parker) surround him. “I’m the world’s foremost expert on herpetology. That’s reptiles for those of you who don’t know.”
He instructs the kids that he intends to fix himself and wants them to venture a guess at how. Nobody speaks up and Parker says “cross-species genetics?” Connors is impressed and asks after him.
There was a very impressive shot here that says everything you need to know about Curt Connors… It’s him standing at the edge of a reflective surface. He holds his remaining arm out in front of him and it casts a transparent reflection. The mirrored image looks like a ghost arm and the look on his face is a mixture of sadness and determination.
We see quick glimpses of his lab as he creates his serum, injects himself, and begins changing. We see him grow a very human looking arm, but it doesn’t look quite right. He peels skin off, flexes it, but it’s too pink and too big. Then we see his change. Half his face gets a new reptilian skin. We hear him say, “I’m stronger… I’m beautiful” but in a fucked up gravely voice as we see him from a distance, holding up his arm in the sewers.
Their big money shot started with two girls standing in a bathroom stall, about to burn a picture of a cheating boyfriend. The toilet water drops out of the bowl, everything rumbles and they run out as the toilet falls through the floor.
From the hole comes a giant reptilian arm as The Lizard pulls himself out of the hole. His face is rounder and has a little original Steve Ditko quality. No lab coat, just naked lizard skin and he’s huge. He looked more like Venom and Killer Croc mixed to me than any incarnation of The Lizard that I’m familiar with.
The girls have their backs against the wall and the Lizard approaches, using his arms to keep them from running. He leans in and sniffs at them in a tight medium shot. The second girl he sniffs and his tongue sticks out and does a licky motion and they cut to black. Then a quick Lizard out of nowhere opening his mouth and swallowing us.
The CG was solid, especially for being a year out, but I’m not sure if a big CG monster compliments the realistic, grounded tone and feel of the rest of the footage we saw. I also don’t really like the decision to make The Lizard a big hulking monster. I liked him as a looming, but lithe and fast threat in the books.
My overall feeling from the footage is that Marc Webb and his cast are nailing the tone, nailing the characters, but I’m not totally sold on the big threat. If it works emotionally then more power to them. I’d love for them to make this Lizard work on its own.
Here are some highlights from the panel discussion and audience Q&A:
-Marc Webb said Gwen Stacy saga is part of the canon that hasn’t been told cinematically and that’s what drew Webb to make the movie.
-Andrew Garfield wore a Ramones shirt as a nod to their connection to Spider-Man.
-Webb looked at the Ultimates for the design of the suit. The suit design emerged from Garfield’s lithe body type.
-Garfield hesitated for a month about taking the role, not because of the character, whom he loved, but because of the commitment… but the four year old in him said, “You’re taking this role, man. I’m making this decision.” He couldn’t say no to it ultimately.
-Andrew Garfield dressed as Spider-Man to his first Halloween, age 2.
-Tobey Maguire sent a message through the producer when Garfield was announced and gave him his blessing for taking on the iconic role.
-Garfield only fully understood the weight of what he was doing when he stepped into the suit for the first time.
-They had shots of Emma Stone and Spidey standing on a box as they pretended to websling around New York. Webb would play music to help them get into a particular mood, something he did on 500 Days of Summer. Stone said Dance Tonight by Paul McCartney is a good webslinging song.
-Why did Webb make it darker than Raimi’s films? Webb: “In terms of style I wanted the universe to be grounded. I wanted you to recognize the world onscreen. There’s an emotional reality, but there’s a great humor and levity that we all love and it’s an important part of Spider-Man.”
And that was The Amazing Spider-Man panel! I’m nearly done with my Tintin and Spielberg panel coverage, so keep an eye out for that one tonight!
-Quint
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Jul 23, 2011 12:47:39 AM CDT
JOE JOHNSTON SHOULD BE MAKING SPIDER-MAN MOVIES!!!FACT!!!
by catchtheman
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garfield is an actor, playing up to the geek crowd, who is a bit concerned about a reboot done too soon
and how in the world is a movie that has a guy with spidey powers and a scientist who turns himself into a giant lizard...grounded in reality?
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Jul 23, 2011 12:59:29 AM CDT
A shot where the monster attacks and swallows the camera?! No way!!!
by d.vader
How original!!!
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Jul 23, 2011 1:01:49 AM CDT
'Lithe'. That's exactly how I described how The Lizard should be in your other Spidey tb, Quint
by d.vader
I'm not looking forward to seeing one of my fav classic Spidey villains get shit on in this manner (design wise). Especially when the original design is already so damn cinematic and makes perfect sense (unlike, say, Green Goblin and green/yellow spandex wearing Doc Ock).
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Why do people use this descriptor? It's 2011. It's sounds so outdated. Writers: don't describe bad guys as thugs, goons, toughs, or hoods. Come up with something better, please. Nothing takes me out of a modern novel, short story, comic, or yes, review, like a bad guy being referred to as one of the above.
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What up and coming filmmaker WOULDN'T want to make the new Spider-Man film? Let's not pretend it's about the Stacy character. Any comic geek filmmaker would want the chance to make the new Spidey featuring The Lizard as the villain. Not to mention it's almost guaranteed to make a shit ton of money and give you more filmmaker clout with the studios.
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The reason people still use those words- thug, goon, etc- is because they *work*. You immediately know this is a not-too-smart kind of guy who can be moderately tough enough for petty crime but won't be a kingpin and won't be a cold-blooded killer.
Do you have a better way or name to describe these fellows that has all the same connotations? -
BUT, the descriptions of smart ass Spidey do sound awfully fun.
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This doesn't sound like a Twilight movie? What happened fuckers?
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Jul 23, 2011 1:13:57 AM CDT
Ok the descrip of Spidey being a smartass sound awesome!
by hollywoodhellraiser
I can't wait to see it! And Uncle Ben played by Martin Sheen sounds like a winner!
Man I'm juiced for the reboot! Wish it was release today!
Thansk Quint for the write-up! Good job, dude! -
...but hate the word "disorientated". What's up with that anyway!
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Jul 23, 2011 2:03:49 AM CDT
It sure looks like Twilight in the trailer to me!
by winona_ryders_pussy_juice
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Jul 23, 2011 2:11:45 AM CDT
Someone on here have a hard-on for the Twilight movies.
by hollywoodhellraiser
Never seen someone so obsessed about those shitty films.
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Jesus. That's so lame.
But I LOVE the wise-ass Spidey. Bring it here! -
Nothing from the trailer or footage description looked or sounded corny. But then again the Raimi loyalists are biased, aren't they?
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The Twilight movies are horrible shit.
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Don't give me the whole 'he looks like a high school kid' routine... in the words of will smith and Martin Lawrence 'motherfucka u at least 30."
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Jul 23, 2011 2:58:37 AM CDT
Doesn't matter how old Garfield really is. He's a fucking actor. He looks the part. That's all that matters.
by xen11
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Motherfucker.
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Jul 23, 2011 3:06:15 AM CDT
Emma, Dance Tonight is not a good webslinging song. If I had to pretend to websling with you while listening to that I would hate myself and couldn't act. It's fucking hokey.
by xen11
I hate when directors enforce horrible methods that they think will help you, but it only makes me hate them even more. For example: That yoga bullshit before rehearsals has to stop. It puts me in a bad fucking mood and I feel like a fucking idiot when I'm expected to follow stupid activities that have nothing to do with the character work I must do. It's like some directors and acting teachers don't know what the fuck they're doing, so they make everyone do these yoga exercises to make it seem like there is some sort of technique, but the only technique is getting into the motivations of the fucking character you stupid fucks.
That one little piece of information from Emma kind of gave me flashbacks and I went on a tangent, but its something that really bothers me in this profession: the neurosis that is like hyper deluded women freaking out like they are possessed by dancing around a dithyramb of shoes and checkbooks while eating chocolate. I hate it and don't bring that shit in rehearsals unless that is part of your character (examples being Practical Magic and The Big C {which are fucking annoying in themselves} ). -
I'm sorry but that's gotta be cheesiest thing I've read today and where are the reports of Spielberg and Jackson's appearance?
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Jul 23, 2011 4:02:42 AM CDT
'Grounded universe'...hmm, a giant lizard pushes things into the fantastic...
by justmyluck
... though the trailer looks promising. I did like the bit where Garfield has caught a fly and lets it go, legitimately looking freaked-out. As for 'emotional reality', Lizards and Sandmen and such work fine for comics and animation, but selling them in live-action drama is something else altogether. The P.O.V shot must have looked great in 3D, assuming everything was CG. At least everyone involved is TRYING, it seems.
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Don't try to spin this any other way.
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Jul 23, 2011 4:05:32 AM CDT
A CG Lizard still better than Power Ranger Green Goblin
by wildphantom07
That Goblin costume still remains the worst villain getup in comic movie history. The one blemish on a great movie.
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Jul 23, 2011 4:14:51 AM CDT
Yep, Willem Dafoe in a power ranger outfit was probably worse
by justmyluck
Good point.
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Garmy Strong!
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Hahahahahahaha You watched Twilight.
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Probably the greatest sin of the raimi series. I can take organics, average looking mj, lame cgi etc, but spider-man not cracking wise every single second as he's getting it on with a villain, NO...Once again I point to Topher grace's turn in sm3 as how spidey SHOULD have been. and the nigga wasn't even trying to be funny, he just is.
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Why can't they just make him look like the Lizard?!?
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FACT
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Let's bastardize the costume for no good reason except to sell more action figures.
Let's hire the actress who most resembles Mary Jane Watson and then make her Gwen Stacy instead.
Those Twilight movies sure have made a lot of money--make it dark and brooding like those.
We've got a product tie-in with Ray Ban, so make the eyes in a way that we can sell sunglasses.
Make it cheaply and quickly. We have to poop another one out before the rights revert back to Disney. -
His face is mature and developed like an adults becomes. Its very angular and grown. A real teens face is still under developed.
It just looks ridiculous and off, seeing a 27 yr old walking around a highs school pretending to be a 17 yr old. -
you've grown silent. haha i love it
the footage is getting a lot of positive reactions. this is the Spider-Man we've been waiting for.
Twilight? Fuck off. -
I believe "ruffian" and "malcontent" are very popular among today's hip young cats.
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Jul 23, 2011 8:05:07 AM CDT
I saw the flipping cars and remembered the green skin and thought..."oh no, are they really going to monumentally EFF UP the Lizard concept?" He's basically a cannibalistic version of the Hulk with teeth?
by boober
Killer Crock meets Venom and acts like the Spidey villain Rhino? *Facepalm*
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Everything about this film screams ASS, starting with the fact its a reboot of a movie series we've been watching for the past 10 years.
So whats new? Apparently they give the webslinging 'weight', apparently he uses shooters, and apparently they have a new villain.
Thats it. Oh, and they probably made the film at bargain-basement prices judging from the trailer.
Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy in the trailer looks like well.. Emma Stone.
Either way, nothing about this.. regardless of Quint's being caught up in the moment and bowled over by Comic-con promotion scams screams anything other than train wreck.
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Jul 23, 2011 8:29:06 AM CDT
Geez Raimi fanboys continues to be pathetic. Here's some more...
by hollywoodhellraiser
*Nabster - he looks 27 to me because adults faces are angular and grown. REAL teen faces are underdeveloped.
LOL!!! WTF?! Are you seriously bitchin' about the shape of someone face??? NOT their acting abilities but the SHAPE OF THEIR FACE?!?!? Go to any highschool and be proven WRONG!
*Sifodyasjr - Let's hire the actress who most resembles Mary Jane Watson and then make her Gwen Stacy instead.
LOL, oh man! Get a gripe and know that Emma is blonde! BTW she easily NAILS comic-book Gwen Stacey appearance. Plus, she CAN act and she is GORGEOUS!
Make it cheaply and quickly. We have to poop another one out before the rights revert back to Disney.
What??????????????? Please just stop talking! Its obvious you know jackshit about Spider-Man mythos and anything about this movie!
And I won't even get into the Twilight aspect that some guys on here is obviously hoping to see. -
My interest in this movie just trippled,
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Jul 23, 2011 8:37:11 AM CDT
can't wait until you Raimi fanboy dipshits are proven wrong
by elsewhere
Can't wait! It's going to be glorious.
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... i'm not wild about the giant-size interpretation of the lizard either.
still, curt connors is one of the greatest spidey villians ever, and if they handle the wife/son aspect of it right, audiences will just love it.
garfield is a great choice, and stone should work as well (but no grey-haired aunt may? what up with that?)
loved the point of view shots. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE the wise-cracking spidey. IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is so integral to who spidey/peter is.... i never could understand why raimi passed up legit chances to have spidey crack wise. but that will just make webb's film better.
just going on my gut, from what i've seen, i think this will be better than raimi's first film. granted, webb has raimi to learn from, but i think he's on the right track. i wasn't wild about the green goblin outfit either, but raimi's spidey #1 still worked, so even if there are lizard issues, this film could still work out fine too.
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Has one of the best podcasts out there every week with Kevin Smith called Hollywood Babble On and has been a regular at Comicon for 15 years and a major supporter of these types of films before all the wanna be fanboys showed up.
Know the people you report on prior to blasting them.
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Bad idea. Spider-Man has one of the best if not the best origin story. I mean, it's actually a STORY. And here's my second in a soon to be endless line of complaints about focusing at all on Parker's parents. It is DOPEY
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Looks like a quickie done on the cheap, for Sony to hold on to the film rights before they revert to Disney.
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People love the character of Spiderman, and most will be inclined to forgive another origin that is too soon in the coming.
This is sacrilege, but I hope they skip the wrestling scene. It was good camp in Raimi's film, but it would be nice to see a version of Spiderman that is unique in it's own cinematic universe. -
Cringe worthy and embarrassing in 2D, fucking EPIC in 3D. Have to see that in 3D to understand where they were going with it.
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...still looks like a hot mess. Awful, ugly design. Silver booties (or are they silver Nikes)? Really??
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Just this description makes the film sound far more distinct from Raimi's than that horrible trailer did.
I like that we're spending more time with Ben, we're understanding Peter's intellect, and how Spider-Man is actually some kind of catharsis for Peter rather than the mute he was in the last three movies.
I enjoyed Spider-Man 1 & 2 and parts of 3 too. But even though this is a bona-fide cash grab by Sony, I feel like there are a lot of aspects of the character that just did not make it last time around. This already sounds 70% less cheesy than Raimi's style. Raimi was a good fit, but another direction wouldn't hurt. There's room for both, people. And after it's released, there will be plenty of fans of the first series that prefer one over the other.
It's going to be OK. -
Not sure what the big deal is with her, but she's the "it" girl of the moment, that's for sure. And she's starting to lose too much weight (typical in Hollywood).
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I mean, we are supposed to beleive that a 16 year old boy, can invent a substance that is stronger then steel, flexible like silk, and is able to "shoot" it out of small, attachable "launchers" on his wrist? Okay? Then we are supposed to beleive this kid is poor and has trouble landing a "real" job. EVEN BETTER.
Oh, and I LOVE that now, Peter's dad is responsible for leading Peter in the right direction. What a stroke of LUCK that his father was "experimenting" with a science that mimicks a Spider, only for his only son, to be geneticly changed into a human spider hybrid...
Fuck this movie... wake me up in ten years when they do, ANOTHER reboot. FUCK THIS SHIT.
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Spidey to run out of "webbing" at the worst possible moment during the climatic fight.
Web Shooters = Convient Plot device...
We all know, Peter will be one "shot" away from taking the Lizard down, only for him to aim, and NOTHING comes out. He will look at his wrist, and be like
"Not NOW... oh man, talk about the worst timing"
Wha Wha Wha Wha WHAAAAAAAAAAA.... kids get nervous, Spider Fanboys laugh... and the rest of us die a little inside... FUCK THIS FILM. -
THey prove Parker has intellect that would be respected by great minds like Reed Richards and Tony Stark. More importantly he uses that intellect toward his heroics. Also synthetic webbing is an interesting analogy for spiders and how they're the chemist and engineers of the animal kingdom. Not to mention web formula can be altered to fight enemies like Shocker, Electro, Rhino, Mysterio, Sandman etc. Webshooters make Peter Parker a multi-functional superhero. He himself contributes to his own superhero status. Organics contribute nothing to the mythos. They're lazy and disgusting. Look everyone! Wrist jizz!
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Peter has trouble getting a job... getting money.. but can invent something that would change the world. Sorry, but that's an insult to the entire audience.
Tony Stark is RICH, because of his mind.
Mr Fantastic is RICH and Famous and KNOWN for being one of the greatest minds in the world.
Peter enters a competition to earn money, to buy a car to impress a girl Even though he's supposed to be a genuis. For a guy that is THAT SMART, you would think he'd use his MIND to better the world through inivation and influence instead of dressing like a Spider.
MAKES NO SENSE. Just because it was in teh comic, and worked there, doesn't mean it WORKS in reality and on film. Sorry, Organic Web Shooters make much more sense. Even Stan Lee agreed.... -
They've been in the comics for 50 fucking years. If you can suspend your disbelief by now, you shouldn't be into Spider-Man.
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Jul 23, 2011 10:43:22 AM CDT
OH NO, I'M FIGHTING THE VILLIAN AND WEB SHOOTERS HAVE GONE DRY!!!!! WHAT BAD LUCK!
by natalieportmansyummyafterbirth
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Jul 23, 2011 10:46:33 AM CDT
Seeing a movie version of the webshooters was LONG overdue.
by huey_freemans_afro
Go rewatch the Raimi movies if you don't like it. Marc Webb is clearly covering the bits that got left out, like webshooters, Spidey sarcasm and Gwen Stacy.
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Jul 23, 2011 10:48:32 AM CDT
webshotters weren't "left out"... if was changed, because clearly made NO SENSE
by natalieportmansyummyafterbirth
even Stan Lee, the guy who created this shit, AGREED.
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Jul 23, 2011 10:55:29 AM CDT
The Sony studio marketing drones are clearly getting defensive...
by orbots commander
...in this thread.
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jesus, who cares i love how people bitch about insignificant shit like that- were you not reading the interaction between ben and peter? or spidey's ball busting? THAT is what will make it better than raimi's cartoony caricature camp version, which i liked aspec ts of but thought it really missed opportunities and this new one IS more grounded folks, in a visual sense and in an acting tone--stop saying a giant lizard isnt grounded in reality-- raimi's NYC was a comic strip sitcom lighting campy acting version--THATS whats not grounded in reality.
man people can really not understand what people say when they explain things.
would i prefer the lizard human sized with a lab cat and torn prple pants? probably but its not going to ruin the movie based on him nailing everything else--and on top of that we wont get effing people dancing jazz flute bangs in face retardeness or dancing to making omlettes. im happy to see the campyness go away. theres not just one right way to interpret comic book characters. -
....in this thread.
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Jul 23, 2011 11:43:53 AM CDT
I bet Stan Lee won't complain about mechanical webshooters
by nerd rage
being in Amazing Spider-man.
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to those who are glad that it seems they are finally getting Spidey's personality right. I agree with what one of the above posters said about Spider-Man being a catharsis for Peter. The combination of vulnerability (as Peter) and sass (as Spider-Man) was what drew me to the character as a young kid watching the cartoons. I actually liked Tobey's portrayal, but it always seemed to be missing that crucial element. When I saw the teaser, I thought they might have screwed up again because there was absolutely no indication of any humor in the character, but what I've read in these reports sounds promising.
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First off STFU about the POV shot! Picking on it proves that many are just trolling for a reason to put down the film. I love it! It's the closest we'll ever come to feeling like we're Spider-Man! And I can bet you it'll look and feel even more amazing in 3-D! It's not like the entire movie is going to be like this, duh! And of course it looks like it was done in CGI, because we know sequences like this are impossible to actually film! How else are they going to do it? What about the CGI is bad? Is it the textures? Is it the rendering? The Lighting? Or are people just complaining because obvious CGI-required sequence was obviously done in CGI? Are we at the point now that despite how realistically we render something if we know it wasn't humanly possible to film we don't like using CGI anymore? Wasn't that the point? So we can gets shots and cinematic camera angles that fucking cameramen in real life cannot do efficiently? Or should we roll back progress because some fools are too stupid to suspend disbelief for a moment so we can get those amazing shots and sequences that only artists could create to an extent??? I fail to understand the CGI complaints... It's not even the first film or movie to use a first person perspective... Video games are famous in this day and age for it but they didn't fucking invent it! Hell they didn't even start out that way!
And finally, STFU about the mechanical webshooters! They show that Parker has some smarts, and they do something even mroe practical! They help Spider-Man to use his webbing in various ways to shape shit, to create webshields, impact webbing (Technically Scarlet Spider's creation) and occasionally some bats, and even some liquid-y stuff when required to get the job done. He uses them like a spray aint can to adjust how thin or wide or spread out they ought to be! Tell me, How in fuck Raimi's movies with purely organic web shooting made sense out of that! It was also why we didn't see his webbing being much of use for anything! So now with mechanical webshooters, Spider-Man can do a lot more with his webbing than just being silly string! Personally I prefered James Cameron's idea where the webbibg would be half organic/half mechanical. Spidey organically created the web material, but his mechanical wrist devices regulated and shaped it s he saw fit. But whatever, thes emechanical webshooters will be far mroe useful than they were in the Raimi movies providing Webb and the writers make use of the opportunities it provides! Spidey's webbing can be seen to be like Batman's utility belt! They can be shaped and differed in strength and material to suit the occasion!
Finally the costume, I don't like it! But...! I'm willing to deal with it if this is like Spidey-Begins and the costume goes through variations until Spidey nails down his classic look in future movies as he improves the costume. I can deal with that! Then it would kinda make sense. Batman changes hsi costume all the time, but yeah aat least they all look good. Spider-Man has had several different suits in the comics. That's not the issue here however... It's just that this particular one is badly designed. But if it' a prototype that Parker fashioned together quickly to get started, then alright I can dig it! But this better be amended by the end of the movie or at least when the sequel rolls around! -
This scene describes his first appearance. I think in due time later on we'll see him wearing his white lab coat as Conners slowly tries to get ahold of himself and fix his situation. Anyway can't comment on his overall appearance anyway, but I do agree that the Lizard shouldn't be some bulky hulked up creature. More like a vary tall but skinny, very agile, nible and fast creature with super strength!
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Quint's just iffy about it because he hates CGI. Remember, folks: it's a year away and they're probably going to change the design a lot before then. I remember the trailer for PJ's King Kong had a Kong that looked very different from the final movie. You can do that sort of thing with CG; you know, change things on the fly.
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Is not like webshooters haven't been part of Spider-Man, say for over 40 years. You guys new to Spider-Man and comics...its TRUE!!!!!
Typical BS meeting for Raimi Spider-Man.
Raimi: See our Spider-Man is different. He never runs out webs and he always takes his mask off to show his identity to every New Yorker in the state!
Suit: What??? Never mind, what else?
Raimi: Well he..he never crack jokes. He's one serious, mopey bastard!
Suit: (sigh)What else?
Raimi: Um...his villians are tough bastards with flaws. See I envision these supervillians going about doing bad things and then the last second...WHAM, we'll give em' a backstory where the audience see their not so bad.
Suit: Chrissake.
Raimi: Wait there's more! We'll keep the story close to the source but tweak it so no on can say that I'm a hack.
Plus we have so new design for the villians that I'm sure everyone will appreciate.
Suit: I'm doing about 4 lines after this meeting.
Raimi: Hey artist boy, graphic..whatever. Show em' what we got.
Costume designer: As you can see sir, the helmet fits over his head and...
Suit: He looks like a goddamn power ranger!!!!
Costume designer: Yeah, exactly!
Suit:(facepalm) muttering...so how much is all this shit gonna cost?
Raimi: I dunno but its all gonna make money because I have legion sucking my tits everyday and audiences are stupid! We may even get Stan Lee to cameo!
Suit: Minus that last part, but hell yeah!!! Lets dio it! Getting this Spiderguy to film is more important than anything else!
Someone call my whores and tell em' daddy coming with his stash!
Raimi: Indeed, sir. Indeed!
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He's like a reptile version of Spider-Man! How did they miss this?
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Jul 23, 2011 12:26:11 PM CDT
natalieportmansyummyafterbirth how is a dry web shooter any less ridiculous...
by katet19
than Raimi having an "impotent" Spider-Man lose his nerve and along with it the ability to produce his goo.
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Jul 23, 2011 12:29:30 PM CDT
>>Garfield even went so far as to say Spider-Man saved his life.<<
by mr_incredible
Come on, does anyone actually believe that shit?
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Fuck you Quint!
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You're talking outta your ass!
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It's shit. Webb obviously has no concept of what he's doing. They saw Nolan's Batmans and Twilight are popular so they smashed them together. So they can grab in morons who think this will be "edgy" and get tweens who want the Twilight vibe.
The suit is fucking horrible. I'm happy he'll be wise cracking but him in that suit means i'll be distracted and it won't matter.
A hulked out lizard in no lab coat also proves Arad does not care about Spider-man at all. He crammed a half story set up for Venom in SP3 sure Raimi should have done a better job but he didn't want Venom in the first place. The movie he wanted to make was scrapped. So Arad got some hack lackey in Webb who wouldn't talk back. I'm sure they said "No this Lizard will be cool". You can't bull shit us with "I wanted it grounded in reality" and then give us some CGI hulk beast as the villain. You cant Spider-man Begins Nolan rip off mixed with Twilight and push Spider-man villains it doesn't work. -
Jul 23, 2011 12:46:00 PM CDT
Does anyone know when Disney gets Spidey back by the way?
by myphdisdoom
Or can they only take it back if Sony stops making movies? I hope they can just take it back... If I saw what they were doing I'd take it back really quickly. I don't get how this meeting would have worked out... Well actually never mind I do...
Suit: Alright well we already have a suit...
Webb or Arad: Well hold on we've got this idea. We're going to tweak the suit.
Suit: With what?
Webb or Arad: Well will give him silver sneakers and sun glasses over the eyes basically... Well I know it looks shitty but tweens will love it.
Suit: TWEENS WILL LOVE IT? WE'RE IN!
Webb or Arad: Yeah and you know how Dark Knight and Twilight made all that money?
Suit: Yeah.
Webb or Arad: Well we're going to copy that and suck in on those people.
Suit: Amazing. Always thought Spider-man needed a Twilight vibe. Well at least we don't need to change the design of the villain...
Webb or Arad: We don't? See we think a large CGI monster will work. Like Bane from Dark Knight Rises but on lizard steroids.
Suit: But why would someone who mixed their DNA with a Lizard be a large muscle bound monster? Wouldn't it be better to have it be thinner and you know look like Lizard...
Webb or Arad: Yeah but tweens will think it's scary... They love CGI.
Suit: TWEENS WILL LOVE IT! I'M IN!
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Is that The Lizard? Looks like an evil Gremlin or something... please let this be a wind-up
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It's a bit premature for Raimi haters to be spiking the football and celebrating and it's also too early for skeptics of this reboot to be pronouncing it a failure. The teaser trailer didn't impress me but that could change when I learn more about the movie and actually see it when it hits theaters next year.
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It's a still from the upcoming Gremlins 3: The Final Batch.
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OK, you got me! Kind of..! Knew that thing looked familiar
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Jul 23, 2011 1:42:47 PM CDT
YAY! more CGI superherozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by arkhaminmate001
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Jul 23, 2011 2:02:11 PM CDT
For the record, I didn't like Raimi's version either. Organic Webshooters wasn't his idea either, he stole it from Cameron.
by natalieportmansyummyafterbirth
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Jul 23, 2011 2:14:41 PM CDT
Michael J Fox would have made the perfect spidey back in the day.
by ugg
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Get your toliet paper, Raimi tit suckers, get it ready
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Jul 23, 2011 3:17:41 PM CDT
I actually like Garfield as an actor. But I'm not convinced.
by orbots commander
The dude was really good in both Let Me In and Social Network, and he seems like a nice enough guy, so it's hard to pour any internet-rage on him.
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They're taking one aspect of the character, being a wise ass to bad guys, and playing it up to appease fan boys. Okay, mechanical web shooters as well.
It looks like they are making a movie about a Twilight-haired Peter Parker, lab coated Gwen and no J. Jonah.
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and I understand the need to sell regular movie goers with that idea. But based on establishing the character it marginalizes him and removes a MASSIVE piece of who the character is. He's a GENIUS he's supposed to be inventing an IMPOSSIBLE piece of technology it's no more insane than the fact that the little piss ant sticks to walls and has a spider sense. I know I know he'd make a BILLLLLION dollars if he sold it but it's not what he's concerned with just like Superman doesn't play professional football or whatever it is he could be getting up to with his powers.
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Jul 23, 2011 5:44:30 PM CDT
This will be far superior to Rami's lackluster versions.
by ganymede3010
Including SM2 the most overhyped comic movie in history IMO.
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This is not a joke or a prank. Go to Yahoo! News and read about it for yourselves.
Apparently he was arrested on battery charges, although alcohol consumption may have been a contributing factor.
They say there is no such thing as bad publicity. Well, here's a chance to put that one to the test. -
...but if you have problems with mechanical webshooters because it lacks realism then why aren't you complaining that the webs aren't shooting out of Parker's ass instead? How does it make sense that it shoots out of not one but two of his wrists?? Did the spider decide to give him "convenient" superpowers? That was nice of it.
It's funny where people will draw their imaginary lines between plausibility and implausibility. Personally, I find the boy genius who created mechanical shooters slightly more plausible although but, let's face it, neither of the two scenarios really are at the end of the day. One just happens to be more faithful to the source material than the other. -
Jul 23, 2011 6:04:30 PM CDT
Without the sarcasm and extreme intelligence SM doesn't work.
by ganymede3010
I believe these directors should watch the Spiderman Animated Series circa 1990's.
They did a perfect job at depicting him using his smarts and sarcasm at an optimal level.
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The trailer left me cold as a "too soon" re-boot. I can take or leave all the nit picking, but I'm curious as to whether the story will satisfy. That's all I care about at this point.
So, no need to STFU or anything like that. I'm just indifferent to what I've seen thus far. -
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Spider-man 1 was silly. Spider-man 2 very strong. Spider-man 3 a fucking mess... So that's the Raimi movies... Frankly doesn't have much to do with this looking like utter shit. Which it does.
Sorry the suit looks like something made by Puma and a Hulk Lizard just screams hack. Maybe it's not Webb's fault. Whoever watched 500 Days of Summer and said "That guy should make Spider-man" should be fired instantly. -
"Spider-Man 2 very strong" That's debatable. I'll agree it's a good movie and definitely the best of that trilogy.
I'm curious as to what exactly you think looks like utter shit in this new Spider-Man.
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So I can't say whether or not Webb is the right man for Spider-Man. I know I've seen quite a few good reviews for 500 Days and I know I like what I've seen so far from The Amazing Spider-Man.
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Jul 23, 2011 8:16:40 PM CDT
First of all there won't be any sequels to this piece of shit
by winona_ryders_pussy_juice
After it bombs. Second, the only reason they would change the suit is because everyone is bitching so much about it.
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Your fanboyism is showing through. I think you'll change your position once more footage is revealed. Everyone seems to be praising the Comic Con footage even the doubters much like yourself.
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I wasn't overwhelmed by the trailer, and I'm content to keep an open mind towards this project. But realizing that the film is a year out from release with presumably little CG work done, I cut the trailer some slack. I was looking forward to the Comic Con coverage to get a better idea about the flick, and you delivered, Quint. Great write up.
This TB is fucking drowning in negativity, but I've come to expect nothing less from these boards these days. I hated the idea of a reboot, too, but unlike most people on here, I'm actually keeping an OPEN MIND about the project. You know, giving a film thats 12 months away from release a CHANCE before I dismiss it as being "Twilight bullshit"?
I absolutely love the anecdotes of the witty Spidey. Thats something that is really hard to get right on film, so I used to cut Raimi some slack. But if Webb and co. have gotten it right, it will really make the character feel CORRECT on the screen. I liked Garfield as an actor long before hearing he was up for the role, seeing him in movies like "Red Riding," "Boy A" and "Lions for Lambs." I don't doubt him in the slightest, but its great to hear reaffirmation from other parties. Emma Stone is just so adorable and likeable, it would be seemingly impossible for there not to be organic chemistry there, so I didn't worry about that either.
Happy to hear that they are making Connors a tragic figure. Thats key to the character, but the trailer made him sound like a bit of a dick in the limited glimpses of his line delivery. He needs to be a friend and father figure to Parker, which makes his Darwinistic abuse of power and ultimate downfall really powerful. I won't rule out the "hulking CGI" Lizard until I see it. I never, for a second, expected him to be wearing a labcoat or any shit like that, because thats ridiculous--even for a 9-foot tall lizard that can talk. Nailing the character comes first, nailing the character design is a distant second for me.
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I'm with ya man. Eat a dick, Quint---Go Garmy!
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Jul 23, 2011 10:20:58 PM CDT
Fawkin' A! A Spider-Man with a sense of humor! Took long enough.
by onin solstice
Tobey "Commander Data" Maguire can sit this out. Only question is how will this new Hulk-Lizard work out.....
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Jul 23, 2011 11:00:27 PM CDT
Spidey better be wise-cracking a lot this time. How can you make that huge omission twice?
by moonlightdrive
I can't believe how they screwed that up in the last series of movies. That is such a core and obvious element of the Spiderman character. It would have been so much better if they had included much more wise-cracking scenes.
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That means the movie will be bad.
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Well..now we're talking. Although how can this be darker than Raimis Spiderman and still have him be the wise-cracking smart-ass Spidey? Look...if they want this film to work they need to take a cue from the rest of Marvels films and actually make Spiderman FUN...I dont want to see emo moping Spidey...I wanna see Spiderman flipping around and beating the hell out of crooks while annoying the shit out of them at the same time. Captain America just raised the bar for Superhero movies....lets hope Reboot Spidey is up to the task.....
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He's from the UK and a security guard at SDCC bitched a fit when he tried to light up and take a smoke break backstage. Apparently he wasnt aware that California is now a police state and smoking is a crime on par with genocide. I hope he put the cigarette out in someones eye...its not really a comic-con until someone loses an eye.
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Jul 24, 2011 12:08:54 AM CDT
I like a lot of what I just read but I still don't understand why they're starting over
by jaka
Just do what they're doing but move on from where the other movies left off. It would work fine and wouldn't have been the slightest bit difficult. Because really, the "Gwen Stacy saga" is not a good enough reason to reboot Spider-Man.
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... recite the green lantern oath last year, was too busy to come back for this year's "!aww!" moment? "spider-man saved my life".. nice try, sony marketing department.
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Jul 24, 2011 12:50:00 AM CDT
Still can't believe people hated Cameron's script, it was HARDCORE!
by ganymede3010
And yes, Raimi's first film borrowed heavily from Cameron's script. Unfortunately, he left most of the good stuff out.
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This. Film. WILL. SUCK.
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I'm not the type that gets uptight about changing the minutiae of the source material to make it fit the cinematic medium(could care less about mechanical vs organic, the suit, etc).
But it was clear from both of Cameron's treatments that he didn't understand the character at all. The organic webbing was thought up as nothing more than excuse to make a tasteless allusion to Peter having a wet-dream about Mary Jane; post-bite Peter doesn't show power nor responsibility, he simply becomes a foul-mouth cocky dickhead that fucks Mary Jane on the Brooklyn Bridge; and the introductory villain is... what? a part-Sandman, part-Electro, part-Luthor hodgepodge named Carlton Strand? wtf?
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...... And now he's a convicted U.S. felon?
Fuckin' A...... no, we're not that uptight. He must've tussled with a security guard, or been a dick in some such other offensive manner to be arrested.
Still, I'm glad to see the new Spidey movie lurching towards serious, which Sam Raimi only ever had a nodding acquaintance with. Fucking Evil Dead movies will pollute a filmmaker's soul, and then some.
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The man is responsible for every bad decision made when it comes to story - how can any of you fool yourselves into thinking a different face under the mask means a better story?
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Has it occurred to anyone that maybe the shooters are mechanical but the webbing is organic? The teaser clearly shows him producing at least proto-webbing of some kind from his neck, which is a reasonably plausible spot for spinneret genes to manifest in a human - i.e. along the centerline on the rear of the body (just like an arachnid). Yeah, I suppose the most logical spot for them to sprout would be right at the end of the tailbone..but Christ almighty, I think the NECK is a pretty bold choice, assuming that's the only web-spewing orifice he grows. Have any of you considered that Parker's "genius" might be figuring out, "hey, if I could just save up a supply of this crud oozing out of my pores, keep it under pressure as a fluid, and then combine that with a clever Co2 rig, I'd have...WEB SHOOTERS!!" This would explain everything, including why he RUNS OUT of web fluid and has to swap cartridges. To fill them he has to more or less..well, "milk" himself like a silk farmer does a spider. Yeah, yeah, you sickos, have a field day with that line - but you know I could be right. The only question is, are the filmmakers clever enough to have considered this and brave enough to use it? A slightly more freaky Marvel 2099 type Spider-Man would be just fine with me!
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I have to agree with you, i didn't liked the Peter Parker character as presented in the Caenmron's sctipt at all. Peter Parker is supposed to be one of the most likable characters in the whole pantheon of Marvel, even despiste his awkwardness and nerdishness, or that he's likable because of that. Peter Parker is a nerd. Cameron tried to turn him into a jock-wannabe.
Maybe Cameron took too much time about Parker's intoxication with his new powers, instead of how fast the sense of responsability for his own powers came so fast to Parker's life. In that regard, Raimi's movie worked quite well on that. -
I like the idea of Spidey's webbing being a mix of both organic and mechanical. He produces the web stuff in his own body, but he necessitates a device to make it have a practical usage. If this movie goes in that direction, i'm cool with it.
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Jul 24, 2011 5:50:43 AM CDT
Rhys Ifans got all that troubles just because he wanted to smoke a cigarette?
by asimovlives
LKisten, i'm a non-smoking guy. Cigarette smoke bothers and disturbs me. However, all that shit just because a guy wanted to have a cigarette to chill out? Just because i'm a non-smoker doesn't mean i have to agree with this fascist faggorty PC gay ass bullshit! Really, PC fucks-asses should get fucked up in their fucking asses! Fucking fascist pigs! Fuck you all, PC cocksuckers! You give the anti-tobacco movement a bad rep. Fucking cocksuckers!
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Jul 24, 2011 5:51:44 AM CDT
All this bitching about the lack of a Lab Coat... you guys are fucking kidding, right?
by asimovlives
All this is just a shared joke, right? Right? You cna't actually be serious about that shit, aren't you?
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... it seems not even the various comics are consistent about how big, or not, The Lizard is supposed to be. Seems that in the classic silver age Spidey comics he's not much bigger, at least in height, to a normal tall human. He's a bit bigger then Spidey, but not a hulk figure compared to him. However, in some of the more recent relauches of Spider-Man, the Lizard does come out of beign quite a very big creature, far outsizing Spidey. The new Lizard is huge! And that's discounting the tail.
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Jul 24, 2011 6:09:37 AM CDT
winona_ryders_pussy_juice, the new Spider-Man movie will not bomb. The real issue is another.
by asimovlives
The real issue is how it will compared to the commercial sucess of the previous Spidey movies, namely, the first one made by Raimi.
There is now a contorvesy about the latest movie's budget. While inicial reports was that Sony wanted to make the moviein the province of 80 million dollars budget (meaning, making it as a medium-high budget movie), there's new rumours circulating that the actual price tag of the movie runs to 220 millions.
That's somewhere betwen the budget of Raimi's Spidey 2 and Spidey 3. I do remember at the time that when the movie was released, Spidey 3 had been very critized, among other thing,s for it's seemly over-inflacted budget. Turns out the movie made so much money at the box offcie the issue became moot.
personaly, i'm skeptical about both numbers for the new Spidey movie budget. Somewhere in the middle there's the movie's true budget.
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1996. I'm in Los Angeles, at Cal State Uni, on an exchange progamme (I'm from the UK). It's my first night there and a friend and I go to the liquor store to get some beers. It's a good hour there and back. It's HOT! On the walk home we crack open a beer each and saunter back. We get to about 50 yards from our apartment and a police car pulls alongside. Two officers get out (now, keep in mind we both grew up in the era of Village People videos and these two look like the queens of the parade). They ask what we're doing, 'drinking beer on the street; weren't we aware that it's a crime.?' We explain that we're British students and it's our first night in LA (oh, btw, I'm 27 and my mate is 25 when this happens); we're bringing some beers back for our flatmates so we can have a party. Did the police care..? Did they fuck. They proceeded to be rude, condescending, patronising, xenophobic and, worst of all, they made us empty every single bottle of beer whilst mimicking our accents and (much to our chagrin) calling us Londoners (the enemy to Northerners like us).
Yeah, the good ol' USofA sure knows how to give a warm welcome. Sure ain't no TJ. -
I was actually thinking the same thing when I saw that shot of the webbing coming out the back of his neck.
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But Power Ranger and X Game Green Goblin are fine. You bunch of fucking hypocrites!
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...about Lizard lab coats, web shooters, and even the admittedly ugly ass costume aside, if Webb (ha! I still can't believe that one!) got the story and tone right, and if the actors are half way decent or charming, the movie will be fine.
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Jul 24, 2011 11:12:17 AM CDT
OK so rumor is that it's not a scene from Spiderman at all? Is it a monstrous Gremlin that emerges from the toilet? Anyone?
by boober
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Jul 24, 2011 11:14:40 AM CDT
thanks for sharing this amusing moment with everyone Mr Quint, it all sounds so.....BARFTASTICLEZZZZZZZZZZZZ
by arkhaminmate001
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I sent Harry lizard pics. He hasn't posted them. Whatever.
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I just can't seem to get a fan-boy chubby over this. It just feels all wrong. Maybe I'll be surprised, but at this point the costume, the look and the actor all seem too 'twilighty' and emo to me.
It just seems faggy, and not in a good way like the openly gay character or Torchwood- ie Capt. Jack, or even Northstar of Alpha Flight. -
Jul 24, 2011 2:34:40 PM CDT
"the suit looks like something a teenage kid would make"
by subtitles_off
it looks like something a teenaged kid would make
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What I typed was...
It looks like something a teenager would make, if
that teenager got a job with Under Armour or Nike right out of high school and his first assignment was to come up with the speed-skater suits for the US Olympians and he was given a million dollars development money plus a crew of fabricators, designers, seamstresses, and scientists and then the corporation pooh-poohed his first review and told him, come on kid, this ain't your junior prom, give us something high-tech with sneakers because we got advertising all up and ready to sell some fucking sneakers and get it to us by the end of the week because we're way past deadline" and they threw some more money and assistants at him and then the new high-tech fabric arrived from Italy and saved his ass.
Yeah. It looks like something a kid would make.
I'm all for it. It looks stupid and skin-tight and silly as all-what. Makes it a superhero costume. Only Spider-man and Superman have been allowed to look like they look in the comics on the big screen. I'm all for it. Doesn't matter what back-story they concoct for it.
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Jul 24, 2011 4:46:20 PM CDT
anyone else think this will flop and they will let Raimi make 4?
by mysterious_volvo
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Jul 24, 2011 5:42:27 PM CDT
mechanical web shooters = wonkavision
by only_the_end_of_the_world_again
Work with me here...
In the Willy Wonka reboot, Willy is showing Wonkavision to Mike Teevee and Mike says basically, are you a fucking idiot? You've just invented a matter transporter...you could eliminate cars, pollution and most fossil fuels and make billions of dollars, and all you want to do is send candy bars to people watching TV?
In a "grounded in reality" story, web shooters would have thousands of industrial and humanitarian uses, and if Parker didn't capitalize on it, someone else would reverse-engineer a sample of the webbing he leaves behind and steal the idea.
Come to think of it, an arc reactor in every home could eliminate the need for fossil fuel, break the political and economic power of arab and russian despots, stop global warming and end pollution.
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I want every Marvel property to revert back to Marvel Studios so it can be done right. They have yet to fail at handling their own characters ina way that's respectful to the original characters and also a fun time at the movies.
Dark Spidey film? No thanks. -
because with great power comes great responsibility. Why would Parker sell the web formula so someone like Norman Osborn (the Green Goblin) could get his hands on it.
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guess harry was right about this one.
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I don't think that will ever happen, unless Marvel wanted to happen if they ever get the rights back.
That bridged is burn with Sony. Unless someone wiser comes into position at Sony, I don't think we will ever see Spider-Man 4.
And seriously, The Amazing Spider-Man only costs about $80 million, so the droves of people that watch the film out of curiosity or go in thinking that its actually Raimi's Part 4 will be enough money to make this profitable.
It baffles me that Sony didn't want to pay Raimi and Company to continue the highest grossing superhero series ever. They must have really hated him. And it wasn't because he refused to rush the film for a 2011 Summer release. Sony is releasing this reboot at the release date that Sam Raimi wanted for Spider-Man 4.
It's total bullshit.
The one thing I'm grateful for is that Sony didn't just recast everyone to make a Spider-Man 4, that would have been totally fucking evil. At least there is a Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy that contained one nice arc that finished in Spider-Man 3.
Spider-Man 3 is a masterpiece. Retards just can't see it. -
Jul 25, 2011 2:09:10 AM CDT
Thanks pingguoas! I've been looking for all kinds of high quality shoes and the other things!
by viggeo_morgenstein
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Jul 25, 2011 3:24:15 AM CDT
Rhys Ifans was arrested for battery after an altercation with a security guard
by donlogan
Apparently he was pissed and pushed a female security guard for not letting his mates into a backstage area http://tinyurl.com/3hzu6fw
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Jul 25, 2011 3:45:06 AM CDT
Why do they keep casting redheads as Gwen Stacy and then giving them bad blonde wigs?
by fortunesfool
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derp
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He was given a fine for smoking backstage.
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If you think it's something a teenager couldn't possibly make, fair enough, but what say you about Raimi's costume? I guess that's completely ridiculous, right?
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Jul 25, 2011 8:19:59 AM CDT
So they want a more realistic take on Spidey than Rami had, having a giant CGI Lizard isn't the best way to go - FAIL.
by arkhaminmate001
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She only plays one in the movies. I think her Gwen Stacy hair is her natural color, or so I've read.
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Jul 25, 2011 9:38:11 AM CDT
a prepared speech that was awkward, but sincere and from the heart.
by rupee88
Quint are you that fucking stupid or just paid to write moronic shit like this? Or both?
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I couldn't agree more with the 'thug' point that you made.
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This Peter Parker kid looks like Norman Bates.
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While I think gray hair is fine one way or the other I really hated what Raimi did with Aunt May.
She basically boiled down to mostly pretentious inspirational poster type lines for dialog. You know the type, "quitters never win, winners never quite" bullshit with a picture of a sunset or mountain range.
I also agree that Lizard, which was one of the main baddies for the few Spidey comics I did read as a kid, should absolutely not be some giant hulk-like moster but should be lithe and fast and really only a few inches taller than Conners himself. Lizard should be between 6' and 7' and weigh at most 215lbs (give or take a few). He should also be wearing the lab coat at least initially.
I will say that my biggest gripe is that I really felt like Dylan Baker should have gotten first dibs on the Curt Conners role. Granted, it would have been weird seeing him in the previous flicks and also in these (with everybody else being different actors) and he didn't even have excess screen time or integrated story-arc to the extent that would demand it maybe...but I just feel like it's the greatest loss of potential energy for this series. Baker is great in everything he does and I just felt like he more than earned this role and this villain.
Nothing against Ifhans, I'm sure he'll be great, but Dylan Baker should be Conners/Lizard.
Actor continuity be damned!!!
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most of the complaints here are fucking retarded. Looks like Twilight, really, how so? I don't see any vampires or warewolves, so unless Morbius and JJJ's kid are a part of this film, you're full of shit to even suggest this.
Mechanical web shooters are unrealistic? Give me a break, it's a movie about a kid who has spider powers you assholes.
And finally, for anyone who thinks it's okay to pass judgment on this movie based on the teaser, please remember that the first Spider-man movie teaser featured Spidey stopping a bank heist by webbing a helicopter between the (then standing) World Trade Center Towers. I dare you to tell me that's better than the POV stuff you've seen so far.
Complaints about the emphasis of Peter's parents - as well as another retelling of Spider-man's origin - however are completely fair. -
"I'm stronger. I'm beautiful!" and Spidey 'sneezing' yet?
Both of those sound awful.
I have to say, I'm not up for this. I'm not trolling or anything, but something about this just seems...off. I want it to be good, it needs to be good, but so far the trailer and all the pics just scream 'meh' to me.
And I hate...HATE the spidey sneakers. How is he supposed to stick to a wall through an inch and a half of rubber? -
*bows*
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Jul 25, 2011 2:52:44 PM CDT
Way too early too reboot...I predict this flops at the box office
by darth voodoo
Or I should say it flops in comparison to the Tobey Maguire films...They should have done a 4th film with the original cast. Nobody is going to want to start again.
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How great would that be?
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no vampires or werewolves? have you ever SEEN a twilight film? it's 99% emo kids in highschool.
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The Spidey that could have been...
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...over us that still have reservations about this vision of our favorite wall-crawler can kindly shut the fuck up. The teaser, the one that has been made public, is clearly aiming to hit some of the same notes from the Twilight series. It is dark and moody and, to the casual viewer, doesn't identify itself as a fucking Spider-Man advertisement until the very end. Until we see the wall-crawling POV, the film looks like some depressing drama about this scrawny-ass kid that gets left behind by his shitheel parents that are too busy to raise him.
This new Comic-Con footage may be better, but what I do know is that Sam Raimi gave us 2 1/2 fantastic Spider-Man films and he got the fucking costume right. Don't get too cocky, fellas, Marc Webb still has some giant shoes to fill. -
WTF JK Simmons, Bruce Campbell, the Spider-man song...
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Why are people so hung up on the web spinners. It was necessary to address in the first film, like it or not, they had to do it. That's why I'm against this reboot, because now you have to go an explain everything again.
At the end of day, who gives a damn if the webs come out of his wrist or his invention, all that matters is that he can shoot webs. That's why a recast sequel would have been better. Plus they could have kept J.K. Simmons as JJ.
The whole conflict over whether they should be organic or mechanical is as retarded as the flames on Optimus argument of 2007.
This Twilight haired pretty boy doesn't look like Peter Parker — nerd. He looks like uppity hipster #3.
I'm not expecting much from this movie. -
What a load of calculated PR horseshit to have Garfield walk out in that Walmart suit and "act" like a nervous "fan." Sony is scared shitless about the fans' reactions to the, yes, TWILIGHT-look of Garfield's "anguished-emo" Peter Parker and to the film's costume that looks like dried dog crap and made from a basketball and designed by a very effeminate costume designer. On acid.
I will admit the exchange described with Peter and Uncle Ben sounds good. But my Spidey-Sense is telling me this movie is one of those gawd-awful Hollywood cluster-fucks where its parts never gel together as a cohesive story/film and the grafting shows its huge seams. They want it to be TWILIGHT and SPIDER-MAN and all we get is Hollywood hashed-puke.
If you can NOT see that this panel was a highly staged bit of PR by Sony (who can pay for the best horseshit in the industry) then bend over and prepare to learn why the SMURFS movie is really a terrific modern version of a children classic for the kid in everyone.
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After seeing recent of pictures of Katy Perry, Zooey's nonbiological twin, with red hair I'm starting to think she would make a great Mary Jane.
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Jul 26, 2011 9:01:22 PM CDT
OH COME ON! No question about doing the origin story, again!?
by michaelh
Really? No one took them to task for doing an origin story - again? You know how many SM origin stories there've been? In the books, at least a dozen. In cartoons, two. TV series origin story. First SM movie. Even a damn Broadway musical origin story! There's nothing new there! Why do they think we want to watch it again? Because they're putting in Gwen Stacy early? Because what we really want is SM in different pants?
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It needs a beginning. It's a new universe/story.
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The stuff about spidey's wisecracks sounds like it would be appealing, if everything else wasn't shit.
Y'know, if this wasn't a retelling of an origin story that everybody already knows.
If the suit wasn't absolute garbage. They could have just stuck with the classic spidey suit that everyone knows and loves. The iconic one. Instead they had to make changes that that make no sense and just look crappy. Lines that throw off the basic balance of the suit, and that black spot on his crotch that makes it look like he pissed himself. The look of spiderman is a big part of his appeal.
If they hadn't tried to make the tone all dark and "emo", with Parker not just a nerd, but apparently an introverted manic depressive, with a backstory of dark secrets to make it feel "deep".
If they hadn't fucked up the Lizard, turning him into Hulk-lite.
If they hadn't decided to make this movie a teen romance, with a little bit of action for marketing purposes.
So yeah, a wisecracking spidey doesn't do much for me. -
The teaser, the one that has been made public, is clearly aiming to hit some of the same notes from the Twilight series. It is dark and moody and, to the casual viewer, doesn't identify itself as a fucking Spider-Man advertisement until the very end. Until we see the wall-crawling POV, the film looks like some depressing drama about this scrawny-ass kid that gets left behind by his shitheel parents that are too busy to raise him.
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I meant to say, after the scarstar quote,
Do the supporters of this film think that the teaser doesn't represent the final product? I expect that everything wrong in the teaser will be in the movie too, and then some.
I'm not a fan of the Raimi movies, but the flaws in them pale in comparison to the reboot. -
Good God, you're RIDICULOUS! You're a living cliché, how do you like that? Newsflash, son, you HAVEN'T seen the movie yet! This is still in its teaser trailer stage!
Seriously, friend, you and your kind are the reason filmmakers see the internet as a completely unreliable source for feedback. "Oh, they'll hate anything until they don't. I don't pay attention to the word on the web". GOD, you're... just... GAH! Dumb, dumb, dummy-dumb-dumb... -
From what I'm hearing, it seems that Sam Raimi was done telling his story and Sony was pushing him for a Spider-Man 4, and Sam and Tobey Maguire were telling Sony that it doesn't seem natural for what Sony was pushing for.
That's what the producers are saying from an Empire interview video from Comic Con:
http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=31646
Avi Arad: When people ask us, "Why are you doing this vs. when and all this stuff..." We had Spider-Man 4 and thankfully people like Tobey and Sam were looking at the materials and saying.... "uuughhh.. it's not natural... its just another movie"
Matt Tolmach: They told their story. They did what they came to do. When you met Sam Raimi in the beginning, he couldn't not make Spider-Man. He could not be stopped. There was no way he wasn't getting the job, I mean in his head, this was what he was meant to do, as humble as he was. Cut to the attempt on Spider-Man 4 and I think Sam had kind of done it, and he was the first to say to us in the way that he does elegantly and all that, " I told my story." -
well said
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I really wish we were getting the classic version of the Lizzard with the white lab coat but I doubt it will happen because it will be to difficult to CGI clothing on the Lizzard and make it look good.
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