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Nordling here.

Taken as a whole, the HARRY POTTER series has had its ups and downs when it comes to how successful the films are.  When you are feeding the audience huge chunks of exposition, or introducing characters and situations, a book can take its time and measure the dosage, while a film must get through it as quickly as possible without angering the fans, but also not confusing those who are unfamiliar with the source material.  So, in that respect, HARRY POTTER AND THE DEATHLY HALLOWS PART 1 had a particularly hard time of it, because that entire film was prelude and set-up and couldn't afford to miss anything, because of how the series is designed.  It's a good entry into the series, but it's a film without a third act, and by itself as a movie it doesn't quite work.

Well, HARRY POTTER AND THE DEATHLY HALLOWS PART 2 is that third act, and it works.  It works so well, in fact, that there are moments that pay off on ten years of buildup, and they are just as powerful a movie moment as when Darth Vader tosses the Emperor to his death, or when Gollum meets his destiny at the bottom of the Crack of Doom.  Fans of this series will leave joyous and happy, because David Yates, like J. K. Rowling's book, really sticks the landing, and the result is one of the most satisfying conclusions in recent memory.

The film is one long climax, but there are moments to breathe in the film, and as we've now established the stakes and the characters, there's very little set-up in PART 2.  The film wastes no time getting to the good stuff, and so on that level the film is incredibly successful.  But if you haven't bothered to see a POTTER film before now, you deserve to be good and confused about what's happening if you sit down to this one.  Aside from a hurried mission to Gringotts to steal one of Voldemort's dread Horcruxes, two-thirds of the film is set in Hogwarts as the trio of Harry Potter, Hermione Granger, and Ron Weasley  return for one final stand against Voldemort and his dark army.

We've literally watched Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and Rupert Grint grow up before our eyes through these films, and at the end of it, they've become fine actors.  They know the nuances of these characters and they'll always be identified with them, for better or worse.  But they are utterly convincing and there is a passion in their performances that you cannot fake.  Radcliffe really shines in PART 2, and I'd say Harry's walk from Hogwarts to the Forbidden Forest and certain death is possibly his finest acting moment.  Brave, determined, but so very frightened, and one of my favorite moments in the book, where Harry brings back his loved ones not for help, but just for the strength to go on, is done perfectly.  It takes a skilled actor to pull off that kind of emotion, and Radcliffe does it perfectly.  Watson's Hermione has grown into a beautiful woman, and she is no longer the know-it-all of the earlier films, but one who loves and knows loss, and it's a mature performance.  Rupert Grint, whose Ron Weasley has always come off as slightly oafish, is genuinely heroic here and I bought the relationship between Ron and Hermione because of him.

Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort impressed me a lot in this film.  As a villain, Voldemort has never been complicated, but Fiennes brings a level of surprising sympathy to the part.  Voldemort and Harry are not so different, except in the essentials, and Fiennes puts a subtlety to Voldemort that I was quite pleased to see.  Harry embraces and needs all the help he can get, and Voldemort scorns such pretensions.  And while you don't quite feel sorry for him in the end, you do feel the loss in what could have been.

All the supporting cast shines.  Julie Walters as Mrs. Weasley gets her Ellen Ripley moment, and although it feels rushed in the film, it's still a moment to be cheered.  Ciaran Hinds as Abelforth, Albus Dumbledore's brother, looks uncannily like Michael Gambon, and I liked how as a character Hinds plays him as Professor Dumbledore turned wounded and full of apathy.  Maggie Smith also gets great moments as Professor McGonagall, and I love her face-off with Snape in the main hall, even if it's brief.  That will probably be the common complaint with PART 2 - the film pushes through some pretty big moments and some offscreen deaths when it should have paused for a moment or two, which isn't something you could say about the series as a whole.  This is the one POTTER film you wish were a little longer, especially in dealing with the resolutions of certain characters.  Which brings me to two characters in particular.

Neville Longbottom has always been my chief complaint of the films.  In the films' rush to tell Harry's story, of course some aspects will be glossed over or ignored, but Neville's story was always a sort of shadow of Harry's.  I especially regretted the films not dwelling on Neville's parents and what happened to them, but I understand that there's only so much that can be fit into these films realistically.  But in PART 2 Neville, played with flair and bravery by Matthew Lewis, gets several moments, and when he enters the film he got the most resounding cheer from the audience until the end.  I know Rowling's done with the series, but if there's one regret about the books it's that I would have loved to have read about Neville's final year at Hogwarts.  But Lewis does fine work.

Severus Snape is the most complicated character of the books and the films, and it's here that I was most worried, because Snape's story is essential to whether or not PART 2 works.  If Snape's resolution isn't nailed completely, the film would fall apart.  But Alan Rickman finally gets to take the gloves off as an actor with Snape, and the result is one of the most moving, poignant performances Rickman's ever done.  I dare any fan of this series to be dry-eyed as Snape holds dead Lily in the ruins of Harry's childhood bedroom, screaming in anguish.  The pay off of Snape's character is delicate and emotional, and Rickman nails every great moment given to him in the film.  The sequence of Snape's past in the Pensieve is the finest work Yates has done as a director on this series, and I'll admit to tearing up quite a bit at this scene, and hearing quite a bit of sniffling from the audience as well.  There are a lot of opportunities to cry in PART 2.  I'm big at crying at the movies myself when the film earns it, and PART 2 earns it a lot.

This series is something of a miracle - it could have turned out so different, but Warner Brothers, Chris Columbus, Alfonso Cuaron, Mike Newell, David Yates, and Steve Kloves have shepherded it for over 10 years, and the result is one of the best fantasy series ever in film.  There are moments that could be improved upon, of course, but there's so much they got right, and they have finished off the series with an undeniable high note.  HARRY POTTER AND THE DEATHLY HALLOWS PART 2 satisfies on almost every level, and fans will be well pleased that they end it so well.  It is rousing, emotional, thrilling, and in the end, triumphant.

Nordling, out.

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  • July 15, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Could be...

    by Hipshot

    Is HP the greatest fantasy series ever? From the reviews, and early reactions to this's possible. What would be the serious contenders?

  • July 15, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Hell to the yes

    by Randy

    Getting it done Nordling.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Loved it

    by DanboJohnJ

    And indeed the Snape flashback had me filling up,very good film and a fitting climax. Would love a longer directors cut on bluray.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Loved it

    by DanboJohnJ

    And indeed the Snape flashback had me filling up,very good film and a fitting climax. Would love a longer directors cut on bluray.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Seeing it tomorrow

    by eric haislar

    Very excited.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Seeing it in three hours and three dimensions

    by tomandshell

    Haven't heard much about the quality of the 3D conversion, but I'm a sucker for those tinted glasses.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Great To Hear!

    by Shannon Nutt

    The two most moving moments of the final book were Harry's walk into the Forbidden Forest and Snape's fate. Glad to hear that Yates nailed them both!

  • July 15, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST

    The 3D glasses looked like the glasses Harry wore!

    by jawaburger

  • July 15, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST

    It's historic, to have seen the same actors in the same roles

    by V'Shael

    essentially grow up through the movies. That's pretty impressive. The movies themselves, while infinitely better than the books (IMO) are still basically a kids fantasy. Anyone remember back in the days when the author claimed the last word of the last book was "scar" ? And that she'd had it all planned out and shit? She's like the British George Lucas. In a few years when she caves, and writes more Potter, she'll claim that it was always about the story of Potters kids, or something. Or she'll prequel it, and make Voldemort the tragic hero who turns bad.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Nordling trumps Capone...

    by Larry Knowles

    Nordling deliberately included the Spoiler frame around his headline to make his review look more important than Capone's. Well done, sir. Also, Nordling, will you please ask Harry to call me sometime. I'd like to speak to him about what happened and begin the process of healing. Please tell him that his brother loves him very much. -Larry

  • July 15, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    The movies aren't "

    by jimmy_009

  • July 15, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    I saw it at an advance screening yesterday

    by orange84

    I wish there was more Neville in the books. He is definitely Bean to Harry's Ender.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Does anyone else think that the David Yates movies are lifeless...?

    by Larry Knowles

    While there are elements of the last three movies that I enjoyed, I felt that all three were a complete mess. Especially Order of the Phoenix. I really felt that Yates dropped the ball with that one. I was suprised that WB stuck with him for the next two/three. While I plan on seeing Deathly Hallows-2 to satisfy my curiousity, I have very low expectations. If it's anything like the last three Yates-directed entries, it will be completely forgotten the moment I throw away my empty popcorn bucket.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Meh. What a letdown.

    by D.Vader

    Capone and Quint were right. Its good, but not great. Don't expect Weasley's big moment to be great like it was in the book: here it just happens and sticks out like a sore thumb, a result of poor editing and pacing. Everyone will cheer, yes, but that's bc its lip service to the fans of the book. As it happens in the movie, there's no buildup, no tension; its just *there*.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Really, Voldemort was the best thing about the movie I thought

    by D.Vader

    Voldemort and Snape, that is. Fantastic performances from the both of them.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST

    The Bellatrix v Weasley thing was tacked on

    by orange84

    It felt forced, no impact. Totally agree Vader. The Snape memories were perfect though. Well acted, directed, paced. The women in the theater were a mess.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Weasley's "Ellen Ripley" moment... was not great

    by D.Vader

    It comes OUT OF NOWHERE. There's no buildup whatsoever, no tension. The scene starts right at the line as opposed to with some scene of Bellatrix going after Ginny. The whole thing felt tacked on, and it flies in the face of EVERY defender who attacked Quint in his review for wishing we would have gone into different parts of the battle to see everyone else fighting. The Weasley scene occurs and Harry is NOWHERE nearby to see it happen. And if you can do that, why can't you do that with other characters during the battle? It only enhances the fact that Yates had the opportunity to do so and never bothered. But back to Weasley/Bellatrix, the scene has no real sense of pacing, it comes out of nowhere, and it ends before I felt it really had a chance to start. Disappointing. It felt like an afterthought. Like the (seemingly obvious) reshoots from Half-Blood Prince, like "Oh yeah! We need to explain the title! Get Alan Rickman back here and we'll have him deliver some dialogue in a closeup!"

  • July 15, 2011, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Hades vs. Red Dragon vs. Amon Goeth vs. Voldemort

    by Larry Knowles

    Which Ralph Fiennes villain would win? Harry, what are your thoughts brother?

  • July 15, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Last night was crazy

    by SifoDyasJr

    Midnight shows on all 16 screens. All sold out. And when we walked out there were crowds waiting for the 3AM shows. This is going to shatter records. Makes the Star Wars prequel lines look tame by comparison.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    No need to even ASK if the 3D is worth it.

    by knowthyself

    The answer is ALWAYS NO.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by secure214

    Saw it at midnight. It was great. I agree a little more time would have made it better. The crowd was very lively, and the showing was a lot of fun to watch. Can't get that in a home theatre! Saw it in IMAX 3D and the 3D worked! No complaints here.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Agree 100% Nordling

    by DrSherlockHouse

    I couldn't agree more with your review. YES, there are faults both fixable and not (Fixable: A little more Battle and Battle Pacing; Not Fixable: A little more delving into Dumbledore's sister's story). Overall, though, the only scene I cared about them nailing 100% was "The Prince's Tale". One of the most satisfying conclusions for a character in literary history, and truly a tragic hero. Forced to protect the son of the man who married the woman you love, and the son looks like the man who bested you for her love, but he has her eyes...a constant reminder that you sentenced her to death." Epic. The one thing that confuses me, however, is everyone's love of the 4th movie. I find it to be, by and far, the weakest of all the films, both in how it stands alone as a film and in being the poorest adaptation. I felt Newell dropped the ball with everything but the graveyard scene...and, really, no one could botch's all right there. The Molly/Bellatrix scene was too rushed...but a lot of other moments were great. Fred and George's small moment. Lupin's little moment...then his reaching for Tonk's hand (mirrored in them lying dead in the Great Hall...beautiful shot). What I am always looking for in these films is that they hit the main emotional and character beats that the book did. The details that get them there are less important. This book wasn't about the Battle Of Hogwarts. It was Harry and Snape and Dumbledore and Voldemort. These four characters, some tragic, some heroes, all flawed, all choosing their destiny, and facing the consequences. Everything comes down to The Prince's Tale, Harry's walk through the forest, and the meeting at King's Cross. And judging by the sobbing the carried on through the theater over those three scenes...they nailed it.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    I agree hitting the emotional moments is more important, but I think its only halfway there in making a great movie out of the book. If you're going to hit the emotions right, great! But now why can't you get the other parts right too? Disappointing when that happens. Extremely disappointing. Details are what makes these stories, in my opinion. Yates it seems, however, has no use for them.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST


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  • July 15, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    D. Vader

    by DrSherlockHouse

    I actually felt there were a lot of details that he got right. You can't fit everything in from the books. That's what I meant. Adaptation, in my opinion, is choosing which parts must be done directly like the book, which parts can be removed, and which parts need to be adjusted for screen, since it's a different medium. None of them have gotten it 100%, and there will always be issues, even with the "good ones". I love Azkaban, but feel The Shrieking Shack scene was fumbled and rushed. I love Half Blood Prince, but I miss the lost Voldemort Pensieve "flashbacks". That kind of stuff. It's impossible to do 100% justice. The mediums are just far too different. Especially getting into a character's head without using the horrible voice over internal monologue. Which makes these books extremely difficult. Everything happens in Harry's Perspective save for maybe 4 scenes in the entire series. His commentary. His perspective. Imagine how daunting that is to adapt. Imagine if Lord Of The Rings was all from one source. I think for every couple of things they got wrong over the course of 8 movies covering 7 books, they got 10 right. This series is about 80% of the books, and that's a huge compliment, because I consider the books (especially the last one) to be one of the most satisfying "beginning to end" series ever created.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Oh trust me, Sherlock, I know

    by D.Vader

    I understand the troubles with adapting books for movies. I defend the changes made to The Two Towers, but with the Yates Potter films, I get terribly annoyed bc a lot of the omissions I see as easy, simple, small details that make a world of difference when put onscreen. And the books have so many cinematic moments, so many scenes that are incredibly easy to translate, that when I see Yates change things around, it annoys me terribly bc its like he didn't even try. For instance, not delving into the battle more, giving us something more like LOTR or at least giving us more details. Its aggravating to see him not do this (maybe as defenders say, bc the story should be from Harry's POV), but then sidestep to Ron and Hermione in the Chamber of Secrets or Molly fighting Bellatrix. You did it there, you gave yourself an out to do it elsewhere in the castle. Have some fun! Show us what else is happening! Make this feel fuller and richer! And that's my big problem I guess. I feel Yates glosses over the big stuff and has no interest in making this feel like a richer universe.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST


    by DrSherlockHouse

    I agree the battle could have been given a little bit more time, especially since what WAS there was fantastic. And that's certainly a director's choice. What if you get too deep into the battle? Will Snape's tale pull you too much out of things? Will the emotional moments seem as great when you've spent so long watching destruction. Maybe. They've done it in other films. But, it's a point to think about. But I had an interesting discussion with my friends last night who'd read the books. A lot of them had made the battle a lot longer in their head. On paper...the time spent IN the battle. It's not a whole heck of a lot, especially in proportion to the rest of the book. We get hundreds of pages of camping, and 10 pages of battle...max. Snape's chapter and King's Cross and the Walk through the forest are all 2 to 4 times as long as the battle.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Thank fuck these Harry Potter kids flicks are ending.


    Mind you......I bet that stupid cow Rowling and co will churn out another one of these massively overhyped kiddie flicks.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Little poncy Hawwy Potter and his poncy chums.


    Every time I see anything to do with Rowling or Harry bloody Potter I feel like throwing up.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    DrSherlock, I absolutely think YES

    by D.Vader

    What if you get too deep into the battle? Will Snape's tale pull you too much out of things? Will the emotional moments seem as great when you've spent so long watching destruction.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Alan Rickman's wasted in these fuckin films.


    C'mon Alan get back to doing something good. Something that has a bit of balls to it.....something with a bit of depth.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Oh FUCK AICN! Dr Sherlock, I try again.

    by D.Vader

    You said this: "What if you get too deep into the battle? Will Snape's tale pull you too much out of things? Will the emotional moments seem as great when you've spent so long watching destruction." Goddamned AICN cut off the rest of my post! I said this: Ask Akira Kurosawa and Peter Jackson, two filmmakers who mastered cutting back and forth between the big, epic scale of battle and the small, intimate and emotional moments between characters in the midst of the fight. It can be done, I just don't know if Yates has the ability. As for the Battle being shorter in the books, what's wonderful is Rowling gave us enough details to allow us to fill in the blanks and imagine its epic scope. That's what I wanted from Yates; I wanted him to expand on the battle, show us the big moments, the small victories, the details, details, details. I was disappointed that he would do it on occasion (statues vs giants, acro-mantulas), but then decided not to on others. Like it was half-assed. "Well, I gave them giants, why do I need to put in Grawp?"

  • July 15, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Yates has a problem with setting up big scenes

    by seasider

    In Half Blood Prince, the Dumbledore death scene was boring. In Deathly Hallows 2, the scene with Mrs Weasley and Bellatrix is feels so forced, it's almost like they put it in as an afterthought. Voldermort's death lacks the emotional punch needed for such a big moment in the franchise. I liked the movie but I just felt like in some parts it didn't deliver the goods as well it could have.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Maybe now we'll stop seeing adults getting excited by HP


    Then again....most probably not. I bet Rowling will churn out another epic (that's a fuckin laugh) pieces of average kids literature.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Loved it

    by Conaw

    Great finale to a great series. Can't believe it's been ten years already since the first film.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    did TDKR trailer indeed play before?

    by Jared

    just wondering

  • July 15, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    And why did Harry and Voldemort duel in front of NO ONE?

    by D.Vader

    How useless is it to have the Boy Who Lived and the Dark Lord fight alone so that NO ONE can see Harry defeat him? And then Harry walks back into the Great Hall and all the Death Eaters are gone, and everyone just sorta nods at Harry like "Yeah you're alive, whatever. We assume you killed Voldemort bc no one was around to see it, but you're here, he's not, so I guess that's what happened," before going back to talking to each other. Did they kill every Death Eater? Did the Death Eaters run away? Does ANYONE know Voldemort is dead or is everyone really just assuming that's what happened? How does anyone think that's acceptable storytelling?

  • July 15, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST

    King's Cross...

    by chip2po

    Can anyone who's seen the movie already post whether they got the King's Cross section of the book right? I've seen in almost every review how they nailed Harry's walk to the forbidden forest, but none of them mention whether they nailed King's Cross. Can anyone elaborate? That was my favorite section of the book, and the fact that it isn't mentioned has me worried that this is one of the scenes that is glossed over.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Nice special effects are wasted in these films too.


    It's amazing they spend an absolute fortune on these films, with nice dragons and creatures......but these films will largely be forgotten in 50 years time (unless some other cunt makes some more of these overhyped kiddie flicks).

  • July 15, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST

    TKDR teaser DID play before

    by D.Vader

    But damn if it wasn't hard to understand what raspy voiced Gordon was saying. I didn't get any of it except the last line.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Yeah chip2pro

    by D.Vader

    It was pretty much as I remembered it from the book. A fantastic and grisly rendition of Voldemort's damaged soul too. That was a nice surprise!

  • July 15, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Reboot in 3, 2,...

    by Human Tornado

    You know it's gonna happen sooner than later. No matter how good it is, "Hunger Games" cannot replace Potter.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    D. Vader- I know! I have the same complaints that you do

    by Cartagia

    I said the exact same thing about the Molly scene in the HBP BtSPoD thread, and someone actually said the movie did it BETTER. It was terrible. And as for the "following Harry" for the action. That's why it works in the book! Because Harry was actually going to defend Ginny when Mrs. Weasley jumps in. That logic flies out the window here, and is distracting by the obvious reshoots done to shoehorn the scene in. And as much as I love all the new Neville stuff they added in, his climax should have come at the end of his speech. It would have been the perfect emotional punctuation to the scene, but instead, from the moment he draws the sword, the movie falls apart. I found myself sitting in the theater, drinking up and really loving EVERY moment of the film, enjoying the changes and the embelishments. Then, they decide to screw up the 3 of the most important and rousing moments of the climax in the last TEN fucking minutes.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    If you think Harry Potter is just for kids...

    by Andrew Coleman

    You're a moron. Like one of those sad self loathing ass holes with no friends that hates people who throw parties. What do you think about Star Wars... Kids love Star Wars. So it sucks? It's sad most haters can't read because if they took a half second to read the books they'd be impressed. But they are too depressed and filled with hate to try. The movie was solid... Sure things were left out but that happens in adaptations. Overall it ended with on a major high note which a lot of franchises can't say. Even LOTR.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Although, the Death Eaters DO run away.

    by Cartagia

    When Harry springs up alive, you can see them all apparating and running away, and you can hear Bellatrix yelling for the cowards to come back. Also, a really great touch: When the Death Eater procession is marching back to Hogwarts over the bridge, you can see Bellatrix just dancing along in the wide shots.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Yeah Cartagia

    by D.Vader

    Someone said the movie did it better than the book bc in the book it was "corny"? I'd like to hear that explanation, as it happens in the movie the EXACT same way as it does in the book (well, almost), the same line anyway. I noticed a few Death Eaters apparating away when Harry came back to life, I liked that moment, but I meant what about all the Death Eaters who go to fight in the Great Hall alongside Bellatrix? You *never* see them, you never know what happened to them. That was a huge misstep in my opinion, to give a glimpse of the duels (in blurry backgrounds of Bellatrix and Neville) but to not actually engage in what was happening. I actually thought Bellatrix didn't have much to do at all in this installment, sadly. I missed her dancing along in the wide bridge shot, though. I too thought Neville's hero moment should have come after his hero speech and in front of everyone too. Terribly disappointed that it didn't.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Did more go into the Great Hall?

    by Cartagia

    If so, then I agree 100%. I'm probably going to see it again, just so I can see it from a more objective point of view. It just hurts that they got so much stuff just right (Snape's final scene may be even better in the movie, due to Rickman), but then screwed the pooch on the two things I wanted to see most (Neville/ Molly).

  • July 15, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    King's Cross and Battle

    by DrSherlockHouse

    Yes, I agree, Vader, that Yates didn't know how balance the scenes that well. I guess, for me, the battle was never that important. I wanted to know that the character's motivations, emotions, and outcomes would be clear, and they were. As for King's Cross, it is nearly verbatim of the book, aside from Dumbledore discussing his sister. That thread gets brief mention in an albeit very well done scene, with Aberforth. And, for me, scenes like Aberforth's were done such wonderful justice, perhaps that's why I came away so pleased. How easy it would have been to give us 10 minutes more battle and lose Aberforth. But, I much prefer getting those moments of "Dumbledore's not perfect, and you should just stop following his instructions." because they, unlike the battle, are so important to Harry's journey and choices. This is The Deathly Hallows, the master of death. Harry's journey through the whole film is his eventual acceptance of his role that he must die. The battle rages around him physically, but there's a much more interesting battle happening inside. The one moment that I completely agree with you on, however, is Bellatrix/Molly. Give us one more minute of them fighting...that's really all it takes. A minute, cross cut with the other action over 5 minutes. Not sure what happened there. It's an odd choice...and yes, the series is full of them. But in the end, they got so much right where so many others could have failed. Spielberg? Burton? Gilliam? I love them all. But they would never have made ROWLING'S Harry Potter...they would have made their own. For better? Possibly...but, really really doubtful. Nordling nailed it in his recap earlier this week. So many have failed at attempting what this series did. We're arguing about some pacing issues, time spent on a battle, a stinger moment with a tertiary character. We're not looking at this like the final chapters of Star Wars. Or the finale of Lost. Or Crystal Skull. Or the Pirates movies. Or Spider-Man. Or The Matrix movies. So many series and franchises, with unsatisfying conclusions for characters, action, and more. I love that this film comes down to nitpicks, and not a huge overall mess of a failure.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Fart Noise

    by David Hinson

    The fact of the matter is we have all been suckered into watching these movies. I loved P.O.A but as a whole it has been kind of a let down. DH I sucked balls and I laugh at the fact that you all call it a setup film in a series that has spanned 10 years. What the fuck came before it? The prelude? My basic argument from the beginning is it took all these films for Harry to fight Voldemort and I bet you we still don't get to see a throw down. These movies have been like a so so date you put up with because you think you might get lucky, except by the time it actually happens you have met her fucked up family, mitigated her extensive baggage, and tolerated her shitty friends. In the end you get some but was it worth it? LMAO...a setup film. You fuckin guys.....

  • This may be the most true thing I've read about it so far. I really did love almost all of the movie. The end made me want to pull my hair out. BUT, I want to see it again so I can take the book fan out of the viewing.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed it

    by disfigurehead

    The end battle between Harry and Voldy was much better than the talking and talking and talking book. Glad to see Alan Rickman get some decent screen time. Helena Boham Burtan Carter or whatever was in it just enough not to make me sick.

  • July 15, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Loved it.

    by versatol

    Great adaption of the book. In fact, I think the battle came across more epic than it did in the book (albeit with less details). I wish Yates would have included more character battle scenes from the book like Gropp joining the fight or Kreacher leading the house elves into battle. And didn't Harry actually destroy Voldemort in the book? I thought he lived after the snake was destroyed and Harry then destroys him with the stronger wand. Epilogue was great but wished they referred to "Professor Longbottom" or had Draco give Harry a nod or something to show they were on cordial terms. In fact there was no explanation as to what happened to the Malfoys and the other death eaters after the battle. Loved the last shot of the thirty-something trio. A fitting end.

  • You wanted a crowd around Harry and Voldemort in the duel like it was a boxing match? You wanted everyone to cheer and celebrate? You know how corny that would have been? How about the lightsaber duel between Darth Vader and Lukeskywalker in Empire. Were you mad there weren't stormtroopers around them watchiing? Same exact thing. Most everyone was dead, and Voldemort was stalking Harry through the school. If people had been there then I would be the one asking "why the fuck didnt anyone help?" It was a VAST improvement from the book to the movie.

  • July 15, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Nothing I said suggests that Mel, not at all

    by D.Vader

    I wanted it to be like the book, where the duel between Harry and Voldemort is extremely important to the entire wizarding world. Its not even close to the same thing as Empire Strikes Back, I'm not sure why you'd think of comparing it to that. And don't take offense that I think it was a mishandled ending. Its not a slight against you for liking it. In the book, Harry is thought dead. Everyone is fighting in the Great Hall. Molly kills Bellatrix, and Voldemort, who is fighting two great wizards and one witch at the SAME TIME, everyone desperate to fight until the end (knowing Potter is dead and hope is lost), is enraged and is about to kill Molly. That's when Harry reveals himself as being alive and everyone's attention is on him. The Death Eaters stop fighting bc now, for the first time, they see weakness in their leader and have real fear that they may lose. Of course, this was switched around in the movie, and I'm fine with Harry revealing himself earlier than this. But I think its vitally important that the Boy Who Lived is shown to defeat the Dark Lord in front of everyone. Villains need to see their leader killed. Good guys need to see Harry the victor. Losing this moment is not an improvement from the book, in my opinion. And as I said, it makes the finale worse, with everyone just sorta acting like "yeah we expected you to win," despite no one actually seeing it happen. (and for your weak ESB comparison, Stormtroopers *did* gather 'round to watch Vader fight Obi-Wan in ANH, so there's precedent for that anyway)

  • July 15, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST


    by arthur

  • July 15, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    While I've been defending Yates

    by seagrass

    in another thread, I can't defend the decisions he made at the very end of this film. I really *liked* Deathly Hallows Part 2, but I don't think it was as strong as Part 1. I'm sure that when viewed together I will change my mind a bit, but I just don't know why the ending was changed in such a manner. It was just so anticlimactic! Also, Neville's hero moment got shortchanged just so Yates could show Ron & Hermione in peril (which did give Nev a hero moment, but it was just so cliche). Yates could have just had Voldemort order Nagini to attack Neville following his speech, and *then* Neville could have killed her just as she was about to strike. That would have been perfect! Then Harry could have revealed himself. I didn't mind the Potter/Voldy chase & battle, but their final battle (alone) was a huge mistake. Again, Yates could have had everyone else fighing outside, and then Harry and Voldy could have fallen right into the middle of everything. Also, what the HELL happened to Wormtail? He had such a perfect death in the book, and it's like he vanished after the end of Part 1. Did Voldemort kill him? Is there a deleted scene with his death? He's the one death we needed to see. For a second I thought that Voldy had killed him during the battle, but I couldn't tell who he killed. I did enjoy seeing that bastard Griphook get his reward for being such a dick. In the book, he just kind of vanishes. Anyway, aside from those gripes (they are a little bit stronger than nitpicks, ha!), I did enjoy the movie and will probably see it again. It could definitely have benefited from another half hour. It just felt so rushed at the very end. I'm really hoping that an extended director's cut will be released.

  • July 15, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Wormtail! I forgot all about him.

    by D.Vader

    During the Snape flashback sequence you see Wormtail from POA, and I was suddenly reminded how Yates pussied out and didn't kill him off in Part I. I thought we'd see him die in Part 2. Nope, another dangling plot thread bc someone felt they could improve upon the book, I suppose.

  • July 15, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    I think the Gringotts dragon

    by seagrass

    was in the running for highest death toll. How many goblins did he wipe out, anyway? He roasted that old goblin that Ron had used the Imperius curse on. I was not expecting that, or the wonderfully gruesome shot of Greyback feeding. And then, of course, seeing the aftermath of how Voldemort dealt with Griphook and the remaining Gringotts staff who had failed him. Good stuff!

  • July 15, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    lika-do-the-cha-cha is actually Damon Lindelof.


    Cheeky bastard.

  • I’ve been a defender of David Yates since Order of the Phoenix and for a Director with only a bunch of television credits; I thought he did a great job with Order despite my personal belief that the book had problems. My one complaint was that the movie felt way too clipped and could have used a bit more breathing space. I also believe that he’s incapable of properly delivering those big emotional moments with satisfying punch. He also had a tendency to underplay things a bit too much. He’s a good shooter but doesn’t have control over the flow of his films. Deathly Hallows Part 2 has all of these problems to the fucking max and then some. I can’t begin to tell you how fucking disappointed I am with this fucking movie. I was all set to buy the entire series on Blur-Ray at the end of the year but now, fuck that. This is Spider-man 3 levels of disappointment. Firstly, this movie is horribly edited. It’s soo choppy and cut soo tight that it rushes through anything that’s important while on the other end of the scale he lets other scene’s drag on and fucking on. Example, Snape’s back story was something that should have been taken slow. Instead it’s done at a lightening pace and we never get a fucking sense that Snape loved Lily. This is a perfect example of how Yates both cuts too quick and also cuts short any sort of big emotional payoff. The Yates decides to drag out that fucking King’s Cross section with Harry and Dumbledore in the afterlife. Also, the battle scene’s are too fucking short and we get no sense of time passage. While Harry and Co. are fucking about, are we to assume that people are throwing spells at each other in the courtyard for however long it takes them to search for the Horcrux’s? Now, I’ve read a lot of complaints about how the deaths of certain characters were handled, that they rushed through them and didn’t properly give any of the characters their due. I suspected that people were being stupid and just wanted every death to be dragged out for five minutes. But they were right. We see characters for maybe ten seconds before they get offed and I felt nothing for their deaths. I don’t care if we’ve seen these people in the others movies for however long, I needed to see them in action in THIS MOVIE so that their deaths would hurt. Ten seconds with Fred and George and then we see Fred lying on the ground. Five seconds of Lupin and Tonks and then their bodies are put on display. Lavender is killed and we only know of this because they show her body for one second and where was Shefali Chowdhury who played one of the Patil girls? Am I to assume her characters was killed because we saw the other Patil girl was using a blanket to cover a body that we never see? I know I’ll sound like a HUGE fucking geek but Transformers The Movie showed how you kill off secondary characters. At the beginning of the movie, Autobot’s are getting wasted left and right and you feels those deaths because you know the characters, you recognize them and although most of them didn’t get a word in, you still felt for their deaths because that movie took the, however little, time needed for you to know who those characters were. But we don’t get that sort of emotional payoff in Deathly Hallows because Yates cuts everything too fucking short. You know, when you split a movie in two, why not let the thing FUCKING BREATH since people are more then willing to sit if the story is good enough?!? I mean, the guy let Deathly Hallows Part 1 fucking drag on and on. It also doesn’t help that the staging and blocking of most of the scenes is fucking horrendous and soo awkwardly cut that I sat there with my jaw open at how fucking inept this movie was. The score did the movie no favors at it was entirely forgettable and I can’t tell you how fucking annoying it was every time the sound and music dropped out. Long scene’s and moments of nothing but awkward silence does NOT make for compelling drama. The worst part of the entire thing was the final battle between Harry and Voldemort. It has the distinction of being dragged out for far too long and at the same time also throwing away Voldemorts death by underplaying it to such a fucking extent that I could not fucking care less. And what the FUCK were they thinking with that goddamn particle effect that they used for not only his death but also Bellatrix’s as well as Nagini’s. Another thing, apart from the bridge, everything that Neville Longbottom did should have been given to Ron Weasly as it would have given him something to do other than stand around and look like a fucking twat. Everything should have came to a crescendo in the courtyard and HOLY FUCKING SHIT did Voldemort come off like fucking Dr. Evil in those last scene’s proving the idiom that a villain should keep his fucking mouth shut. He didn’t come off half as threatening as he did in any of the previous movies. Like Freddy Kruger, the more he opened his fucking trap, the less effective he was and it didn’t help that Ralph Fiennes played it almost for camp when he should have came off as intense and menacing. That’s all I’ve got for now. I’m soo mentally exhausted over how much build up there was for this movie, only to get the spiky dildo up the ass at the end. A fucking wretched ending to what could have been an iconic achievement.

  • July 15, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Vader

    by seagrass

    Everyone forgot Wormtail in the theater I was at. I made a comment at the end and everyone around me was like, "Shit! Wormtail!" There was a scene where Voldy zaps a Death Eater who said the wrong thing at the wrong time, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't Wormtail. It really makes me wonder if his death scene was filmed, but cut for pacing or time. I know he was stunned by Dobby, but I'm fairly certain that Dobby didn't kill him. I guess we'll find out around Thanksgiving or Christmas, when the blu-ray comes out. Or maybe we never will find out, which will suck.

  • July 15, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    agree with vader

    by SpikedBuffy

    mrs weasely's moment should've been done better and totally had that after thought feel to it. this is the shortest hp potter movie and i thought about 5-6 mins more of the battle was needed, and with other characters. If i remember correctly we actually see certain characters die mid battle in the book. These are such a small little additions that it bothers me they didn't nail it. I guess it all goes to the fact the david yates has stated that he doesn't like big battle sequences, the bastard!

  • July 15, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    David Yates sucks.

    by daggor

    Commented about how Yates mishandled the franchise in another thread. Cuaron would have made the two-parter the stuff of dreams. Yates delivered a product on schedule, and on budget.

  • July 15, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST


    by seagrass

    I understand your emotional response, although I wouldn't go that far. The good far outweighed the bad. It makes me wonder: did they cut a lot out of the movie in order to get those multiple showings in? You know that the studio is wanting to milk this for all it can. Please, PLEASE let there be an extended cut waiting in the wings.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    That dragon roasted the one Goblin

    by D.Vader

    But man it kinda happened offscreen. At first I wasn't even sure if it had even occurred until I saw Ron's reaction. I thought that was a tad confusing.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    seagrass did you read the books?

    by D.Vader

    Do you know the true ending for Wormtail? It should have happened in the last movie but they completely ignored it.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    basically don't trust anyone who doesn't like Harry Potter

    by Mike

    they aren't a worthwhile human being.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    They ARE just for kids myphdisdoom


    Why can't you and all the other strange adults who rave about these films accept they always were and always will be kids films and books. Nothing wrong with kids films but please don't try and make out they're anything meaningful, anything remotely adult or epic cos they're not. They're about some wizard kids. They're Mary Poppins with better effects, that's all. The sooner people remember that and stop trying to make them something they're not the better.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    I will defend most of Yates' other decisions, though

    by seagrass

    Gringotts was handled quite well, Snape's death scene and memories were perfect, and there were lots of great little character moments throughout the film. However, whoever designed Ginny's wig (in the epilogue) should be fired and never allowed to work in the industry again. The aging technology worked on Harry, Snape, and Ron, but on the women it just didn't look right. Very frustrating.

  • The similarities to the Harry Potter jr character in that film to JK Rowlings bloody character are striking.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Vader: yes

    by seagrass

    I was totally expecting Part Two to start with Wormtail's death, either by his own hand (literally) or by Voldemort's (which is technically the same thing, since he gave Wormy his silver hand). I mean, Wormtail's betrayal was the main reason that Harry's parents were killed! That is probably the most frustrating omission from the entire film series.

  • I wondered that myself. I was quite confused too.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    lordoflight: been there, done that

    by seagrass

    I even think that some judge somewhere may have ruled on that, and threw it out. The two characters are alike in only a few ways.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    The only decent explanation for all of the omissions

    by seagrass

    is that WB is hoping to milk the franchise with extended editions of the last two films.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    But there's no precedent for that, seagrass

    by D.Vader

    There hasn't been a single "Extended Edition" yet, really. Which makes me doubt there's really any of those kinds of shenanigans going on. I fully blame David Yates and producer David Heyman for this.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Could that have been Colin Creevey under the blanket?

    by seagrass

    Was really hoping to see that little shit lying dead on the floor, haha. Another poignant death in the book that was left out. Damn.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Key word is "Yet"

    by seagrass

    Again, if WB really wants to milk it, they will. I wouldn't put it past them. I'm sure it's just wishful thinking, but one can hope!

  • July 15, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Keep hoping seagrass

    by D.Vader

    I don't think it'll happen, sadly =(. Which is amazing considering how much money the Extended Editions made LOTR! There's fucking precedent for this sorta thing! What a foul up!

  • July 15, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    I find it rather ironic that I'm having the same issues

    by seagrass

    separating the books from the movies, just like I said Quint was doing. I've never had that problem with this series until I saw this particular film. Sorry, Quint! That being said, it was a solid movie - but it hardly deserves such a high rating on the 'ole Tomatometer. I'd rate it in the high 80s/low 90s. I'm sure once I see it again (with Part 1), I'll be able to live with the changes.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    TROLL = TOO MUCH of a coincidence seagrass.


    And even if the characters are like each other in only a few ways......that's still enough.....especially when she admitted (correct me if I'm wrong) that she might have seen the film Troll.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Even so, lordoflight

    by seagrass

    There aren't enough similarities to convince a judge/jury. If there were, it would have happened already. And for some reason, I seem to remember that the lawsuit was thrown out or something. If there even was one. I honestly don't remember. Anyone else know?

  • July 15, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    They're remaking Troll and I hope they put the original HP in it.



  • July 15, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Ok, quit trolling about Troll

    by seagrass


  • July 15, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    That judge must have been fuckin blind seagrass.


    A boy wizard called Harry Potter. WTF???? I might be imagining things couldn't get more similarities if you tried.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Dude, like I said

    by seagrass

    I don't remember where I saw it. I could have imagined it for all I know. I'd hardly call the Harry Potter in Troll a wizard. (I watched that movie a lot when I was a kid, along with House) He wasn't a wizard when he moved into the apartment. He wasn't a wizard at the end. In other words, he was a muggle. Rowling's Potter, on the other hand, was a wizard from birth. You'd think that if Rowling was going to plagiarize, she would have done more than just lift the name. If she did indeed see it, it was probably when she was younger, and the decision to name her character Potter was most likely an unconscious one. Either way, it doesn't matter.

  • Can I miss what I did not know was supposto be there?

  • July 15, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by seagrass

    Well, if you haven't already been spoiled by reading this thread: yes, you will love it. I'm sure once I separate the book from the film (like I was able to do with all the other movies) I will love it too.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    if anyone is wondering about the PALIN flick "UNDEFEATED"

    by mattforce7 oh the win

  • July 15, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Whether he's a wizard from birth or not doesn't matter seagrass


    Just because the kid in Troll doesn't start out as a wizard like Rowlings Potter doesn't mean she didn't steal the character. Again, all too much of a coincidence.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST


    by seagrass

    The Harry Potter in Troll was not a wizard. Period. He didn't start out as one, and he didn't end up as one. The similarities between the characters end at the name. The plots of Troll and Potter are nowhere near the same. Sure, it's possible she used the name. But the character? Nope, not at all. Hell, the troll in "Troll" was much scarier than the trolls in Potter. If Rowling took anything, she should have taken that. Torok was a pretty devious character.

  • July 15, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    He was into magic and his name was Harry Potter seagrass.


    And Rowling admits she probably saw the film. That's good enuff for me and it should be for anyone else who has suspicions where she got her character from. I remember when this whole stupid overhyped craze about HP started thinking I'm sure I've seen something very similar before. And that similarity was I'd seen that film a few years before.

  • July 15, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST


    by Crooooooow

    You should check out Books of Magic by Neil Gaiman. Here's a pic of the main character Tim Hunter:

  • July 15, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Oh and reboot time?

    by Crooooooow

    Since reboots seem to be coming faster and faster how long before the HP series gets a reboot? Spider-man came out in 2002 (1 year after the first HP) and it's getting a reboot soon. I'm guessing 5 years from now after WB has milked it for everything it's worth.

  • July 15, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    lordoflight you have a lot of brainspace dedicated to this

    by DOGSOUP

    I mean, if I hated something this much, I'd dismiss it and move on to things I actually like as they are more worth my precious time and energy. Is it like you're trying to convince people on the fence? That seems like a fruitless campaign to me really. Please tell me JK Rowling, Dan Radcliffe, and David Yeats gang-raped your beloved dog's severed head or something because otherwise this passionate hatred makes no sense for a grown person

  • July 15, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    I called it last week

    by MovieGeekBlog

    I saw it in a preview last week and loved it. I reviewed it on my

  • July 15, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    $126m from overseas/midnight Box Office

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    Yikes. We might have a monster here.

  • July 15, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Oh, and I meant Capone, not Quint

    by seagrass

    when I was talking about agreeing with Quint. I've got Jaws on the brain today.

  • July 15, 2011, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Ya know, Nordling was *way* too happy

    by buffywrestling

    about making me cry this morning.

  • July 15, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Yates stuck everything BUT the landing.

    by Kevinicus

    As a fan of the book, the last 20 minutes were terrible, and Yates made the movie characters half of what they should have been, half of what they were in the books. He took great moments of triumph, not just of good over evil, but of character, and turned them into moments completely devoid of character, heart, and real magic.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Sirius Black hogged up the whole TDKR trailer

    by CherryValance

    That pissed me off. lol Anyhoo, I mostly like 98% agree with Nordling. It's really great as a stand alone film but now that it's over you realize what's been missing from the whole series and it leaves you a little meh. Honestly, if it was me I might take a time turner and make Chris Columbus do the entire series. If Deathly Hallows had been an 8 hour film that would have been fine with me.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST


    by notcher


  • July 15, 2011, 10:55 p.m. CST


    by DOGSOUP

    Ginny Potter has a nice ass.

  • July 16, 2011, 12:28 a.m. CST


    by Orionsangels

    Harry Potter Wins!

  • July 16, 2011, 6:26 a.m. CST


    by david starling

    As someone said here, if you're so against these films, why are you avidly discussing them so? I saw the first part of the new Torchwood on Thursday, and disliked the new direction. However, if others enjoy it, I'm happy for them - I have 3 seasons of Torchwood that appeal to me, and I just won't watch the rest of the current season. The new season isn't for me, and that is that. And have you actually watched any of them, or even read the books? It strikes me you've only seen a commerical or two, and caught a news/PR snippet, and made your mind up. Do you so readily make your mind up about everything? But, most importantly, all I see from your posts is constant one-track goaded hate. No reason, just hate, and some of it extreme as well. I'd honestly recommend you to give that up and fast, and seek help - as you'll either wind-up insane, or suffering a stroke!! I hope you manage to sort your issues out soon.

  • July 16, 2011, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Dogtooth > Harry Putter

    by caveman

    and it's more magical too

  • July 16, 2011, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I haven't seen any of the Harry Potter's.

    by Xen11

    Is the last one so good that you would recommend I watch the entire series and see this last one in theaters? Or do you recommend I just wait and watch the entire series at home on BluRay? Is this like Revenge of the Sith good? Because I remember people raving about that movie and when I went see it in theaters it was very underwhelming and was, I thought, the worse of the Star Wars saga, mainly that piece of shit they call a climax. The "you were the chosen one" bit was probably the best moment of the entire prequel trilogy, but everything around that (the fight around lava and Yoda fighting the Emperor) was probably the worst of the entire prequel trilogy. So I'm basically asking if I should view it all now to see the last chapter on the big screen, or wait and watch it all intimately at home, where I am free to cry. Because I won't allow myself to cry in a theater. The closest was "Peter Jackson's King Kong" and "Where The Wild Things Are" made me do the ugly face but straightened out before any tears could fall.

  • July 16, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Haters gonna hate

    by andy kaufman

    The haters/trolls on here are the worst why devote so much time and energy on being negative? I don't like Twilight but I don't go into their forums and talk shit. You people must live sad little lives.

  • July 16, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I liked it, but it was probably my least favorite of the series.

    by Rebel Scumb

    Mainly just because of my own personal taste, I just don't really care about payoff/climaxes/closure. I'd much rather see dominos lined up, then watching them fall over. I'm not holding it against the film, it was quite good (and I'm a big fan of the books). But I'm probably in the minority who greatly prefered DH part 1. I'd actually say it might be my favorite of the series, I don't care that it has no ending. But then empire strikes back is my all time favorite film. I just find there is something that rings false for me about the concept of closure/resolution at the end of stories. Middles are what really interest me, things left unresolved, cliffhangers, etc. Again, not a criticism of the movie, I thought they did a great job. and the coda at the end with the music from the first film really tugged on my heart strings the way I hoped it would.

  • Likewise book 4 is not one of my favorites, yet moviewise I think it is one of the best. Books 3 and 6 were my favorites, but moviewise I find them both dissappointing. Regardless. A fantastic book series, and a really wonderful film series as well. There isn't any other film saga of 8 movies that can possibly boast this level of quality, cultural impact, caliber of great actors, magnificent production values, and (most of the time) strong adaptation from a book.

  • July 16, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST


    by TopHat

    And, no, that is not a "nitpick". The reason why people have been, and continue to hate on Yate's Harry Potter movies, is because they are all glossed over studio hack jobs of the books. The DEATHLY HALLOWS are no different. To leave out Wormtail's subplot is geniunely shocking - unless you realize these have been nothing but studio controled blockbusters since GOBLET OF FIRE. Yes, the first four Harry potter movies were obviously controled and made by the studio and are blockbusters themselves. The difference is that there seemed to be some kind of cinematic film making trying to poke through, instead of just a bunch of "moments" like you would find in any common summer blockbuster out to just make money. There was at least an attempt at storytelling, not just moving the story along. Wormtail's absence acknowledges this more than anything else: A storyline of that magnitude left out, after two movies worth of build up (movie three and four), is the most obvious depiction of the studio machine churning out a project rather than a film maker creating a film. Yates' movies have been basically the equivalent of lawyer testimonies: "Look we have these plot points from the books, so, you can't complain that there is no feeling or actual weight to any of this. We got you on a technicality." The only things here in his films are the same bullshit things that people point out when defending movies like TRANSFORMERS. I know the new religion in this country right now is to unabashedly support any type of commerce there is. Especially movies. To not question anything that you're paying for. To put down anyone who DOES question things as being "trolls" or just someone who "doesn't get it". That you are somehow a better person for being complacent. But, the fact is - Wormtail mattered. These have not been good adaptations of the Harry Potter books. They have merely been good costume and set design adaptation of the books.

  • July 16, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST

    tophat: I mentioned that already

    by seagrass

    a few posts up. It's nice to see someone else noticed the omission, though. He had the perfect death in the books, and I have no unearthly idea why he was spared in the movies. The only reason I could think of is that he would have looked extremely silly choking himself to death on camera. In the books it worked, but now that I think about it, it would have come off as kind of ridiculous. They should have just had Voldemort kill him. I noticed that Voldemort did kill a death eater in the film out of anger, but I don't think it was Wormtail.

  • July 16, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Again: we can hope for at least a deleted scene

    by seagrass

    or two. Maybe even full on extended editions.

  • July 16, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Finally, a series is ended right!

    by technosnob

    Galactica, rubbish. Lost, lost. X-Files, insulting. Only harry of these great series had a great ending.

  • July 17, 2011, 12:57 a.m. CST


    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Yeah....MAJOR plothole. Like mentioned before, I'd take bullshit nit-picking over people saying the film sucked. Some of my fav films are Blade Runner & the Godfather 2. Shit, I love Mad Men, Game of Thrones and Spaced. TB'ers are entitled to their opinions, but this movie was very well done, even tho I didn't love DH part 1 very much.

  • July 17, 2011, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Longbottom & Godrick's Sword

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Wish he would've pulled it right out the hat and shanked Naghini right off tho. (Book Style) But, the flick went out with a bang in act 3. That's the way to close out a series.

  • July 17, 2011, 4:22 a.m. CST

    For me I really liked 3, 5, and both parts of 7

    by Winston Smith

    The first two are very much kids movies, they are what they are. #6 is dull and uninvolving pretty much throughout, and missing the most crucial story stuff. And #4 I hated, despite the great dragon scene. Otherwise, it cut a ton of incredible action from the book out, and ruined the other set pieces by cutting them to shreds and losing the sense of spectacle. And then, as a whole, #4 just had an attitude to it... it felt almost like a Twilight type thing with the way it handled the romance. Just a bad film... Newell is a terrible director.

  • July 17, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Merry Potter

    by PurityControl

    Overall a great series however 4 and 5 were pretty bad to me, especially Order of the Phoenix. It doesn't fit the tone of the series at all and was a major fuck up. The best: Prizoner of Azkaban and Half Blood Prince. So my order: 3 6 8 2 1 7 4 5 But if the snape scenes of 8 had not been done so well it would have dropped down by 7 since the rest was underwhelming and rushed they needed 30 more minutes. They could make prequels of snape and Lilly or the founding of Hogwarts and of course sequels with Albus Severus but she will have to replenish her coffers sometime.

  • July 17, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    We should all be thankful

    by Relugus

    That Spielberg never got his hands on Harry Potter, after his ruination of Transformers.

  • July 17, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST


    by johnnyrandom

    ...has a real hardon for Rowling, huh? Another one of these troll characters who, despite claiming to hate something, simply can't stop going on about it. Sad really.

  • July 17, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Saw it twice this weekend

    by corplhicks

    After first viewing thought it was very good. Really thought it was excellent after viewing # 2. A well done movie and makes up for the mediocrity the past few movies. The past few movies felt like the story barely moved and little done that had any effect until the past movie. Many many scenes were touching. Snape ruled the show. It is still not clear what Snape wanted to do with Voldemort based upon the movies alone. He truly appeared loyal and the wand trick thing I'm not sure he was in on. I'm also not sure his motives were not for himself or Lilly, and not Dumbledore or defeating evil. All in all, he was consumed with love and regret and "turned"-- in that way he is kind of an Anakin fellow, tragically screwed up. The scenes with the 3 kids were very good. All 3 did a very good acting job. Last few minutes were great, although even the 4 Hobbits silently toasting their mugs in the inn at the end of ROTK was more meaningful; all in all, the last few minutes were touching and this epic will be missed. It isn't too often that such a thing happens-- Star Wars began in 1977, LOTR came onto the screen what? in 2001? and these Potter films make 3 such epics by my counting in over 30 years. A rare thing indeed. If only all Potter movies were as good as this one. It was not without fault-- the final wand exchange had unclear meaning or outcome if he was gonna die anyway, I do not know what it did really, as it was not clear whose energy blast was going where more than the other guy I think. Some notable deaths was touching, although a certain brother of a certain person who died-- it was not clear enough who it was and was a little too 'far from camera" and not touching enough.

  • July 17, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST

    my order

    by corplhicks

    3, 8, 1, 2, 7, 6, 4, 5

  • Not everything needs to be action.

  • July 18, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Saw it, liked it and enjoyed there was not a lot of bullshit.

    by shutupfanboy

    That is probably my chief complaint about the Potter films is there seems to be a lot of filler for the sake of having filler. It was a good idea to break the story up into two parts. One part character building and the second part, the final battle. To me, I never read the books, but from what I understand JK threw a Circuit City going Out of Business sale with a lot of characters in book seven and it was nice at least one of them survived in the movies. I enjoyed the series for what it was and I will probably get the full DVD set sometime next year when it comes out. As for how I rate the movies from good to bad: 2, 5, 7, 1, 4,3, 6.