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Capone says HARRY POTTER AND THE DEATHLY HALLOWS, PART 2 takes the series out with a whimper!!!

Hey everyone. Capone in Chicago here.

As a lover of film, I've really enjoyed watching the parade of great British actors come in and out of Harry's work as various professors or bad guys or parents of Harry's classmates. It seems like nearly everyone of them makes an appearance in HARRY POTTER AND THE DEATHLY HALLOWS, PART 2, whether their characters are dead or alive, but I didn't really care because I love seeing them. Although I will admit it's bizarre spotting a fleeting glimpse of Emma Thompson's Prof. Sybil Trelawney in one sequence in this film and realize she never utters a word. And she's not the only prominent actor whose appearance here is reduced to a single line or no lines at all.

There's no real need to recap the plot of THE DEATHLY HALLOWS, PART 2. If you saw the last film, it's more of the same. Harry, Hermione and Ron are still chasing down the remaining Horcruxes. Lord Voldemort (the fantastic Ralph Fiennes) launches an assault on Hogwarts that results in some phenomenal destruction. And secrets involving Harry, the late Prof. Dumbledore (Michael Gambon, seen a great deal in flashback here), Prof. Snape (possibly my favorite Potter-verse character, played by Alan Rickman), and many others are revealed. The amount of pure information unleashed on the audience in this two-hour-plus film is exhausting, and while I'm sure it will please the fans of the books, as a means of moving the story forward, it feels like maybe the filmmakers are pushing too hard. The film's most emotionally devastating moments are slower, quiet events, in particular, the absolutely perfect epilogue set many years after the end of the great war between Potter and Voldemort.

I was patient with the plot-heavy THE DEATHLY HALLOWS, PART 1 because I'd assumed PART 2 would be the magnificent payoff of a full-blown battle to end all battles, and there is certainly more destruction per capita than any of the other HARRY POTTER films, but it still left me feeling a bit underwhelmed, with some exceptions. This is the most I've felt Fiennes' Voldemort is an actual character, for no other reason than he gets a great deal of screen time for once. I sometimes enjoy when the villain is more an unseen force than a physical, menacing body to fight off. But Fiennes is so strong as the character, he needs to be seen. And any time he and Harry lock in actual combat, I was mesmerized. I also enjoyed watching Hogwarts' destruction; there's a real sense of loss witnessing that, although I don't think the film deals with how much death was caused during the war, save one startling shot of the corpses of a couple of well-known characters next to each other.

I don't mean to imply that I didn't like THE DEATHLY HALLOWS, PART 2. It moves really well, and I enjoyed the tremendous number of flashbacks that give us much-needed puzzle-solving moments about many of the characters. I think I was most startled by one featuring Dumbledore revealing the true nature of his interest in Harry since he was a baby. I don't want to talk too much about story, but I was surprised how many characters from years past make their way into this film; sometimes I felt like constant writer Steve Kloves and returning director David Yates were using a crowbar to get people into this movie, but I didn't care because I missed Maggie Smith, Jim Broadbent, and others. I also dug the new characters brought in for this ride, including Dumbledore's brother, Aberforth (Ciaran Hinds), and the ghostly Helena Ravenclaw (Kelly Macdonald).

I'm not sure how much I can add to this review, except to say that this is not my favorite of the series (that honor still belongs to THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN); it probably lies somewhere in the middle of the ranking. I still am getting no real development from the characters of Hermione and Ron (Emma Watson and Rupert Grint, respectively). They are without a doubt faithful companions, but there's zero growth for them in this chapter. The only thing I truly loathed about THE DEATHLY HALLOWS, PART 2 was the miserable 3D experience. Seriously, 85 percent of this film is set in extreme darkness. I can't believe the filmmakers or the studio would curse us with darkening the screen further with 3D glasses. Seriously bad call. If you care about this series, avoid the 3D screenings at all cost.

I'm guessing most die-hard Potter fans are going to cheer, weep and feel their hearts fill with joy as the movie version of these adventures wraps up with a "pop" rather than a "bang." Maybe that's the way this uniquely British storytelling ought to conclude, but the American in me wanted just a little more kick out of THE DEATHLY HALLOWS, PART 2. The films is stunningly shot (at least the stuff you can make out behind the dim 3D), the music is loaded with threatening vibes, and the acting is superb. That's a pretty strong set of pluses to put against my mild disappointment at the turns the story takes and what the filmmakers chose to emphasize. Still, a mild recommendation, but I really would like to see it in 2D to really gauge my feelings on it.

-- Capone
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  • July 15, 2011, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Anyone see DKR teaser

    by Winston Smith

    Man, I'm officially pumped. I think it'll be by far the best of the 3. I love that they're tying it back into Begins, and I HOPE HOPE HOPE that shot of the buildings collapsing (also the poster shot) is ACTUALLY in the movie. Nolan's films always have amazing posters with shots not in the actual movie, so I was awed to actually see that there. It's a fucking great shot. Hell, end the fucking film with that shot!

  • or at least the most satisfying. I really don't get Quint and Capone's reviews. It's like they just wanted every character to get 40 minutes of screentime and they would have been happy with a 14 hour movie.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:39 a.m. CST


    by Winston Smith

    ...not sure I quite get what Capone means. Was their just not enough adrenaline for you? I mean, it was pretty much as fucking epic as LOTR in spots. What was missing for you? Just too high of expectations maybe?

  • July 15, 2011, 3:42 a.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen2, good question

    by Mel

    It probably had more action than the book had. I guess I'm kind of glad this site, which overpromotes mindless CG-festivals and comic book movies isn't too high on DH2. aicn just wants movies that eyeball fuck you to death. but then he complains about the 3d. i guess it didnt fuck his eyeballs hard enough.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:46 a.m. CST

    the latest trailer makes it looks like non-stop action

    by Titus05

    got me really pumped for the movie

  • he OBVIOUSLY had to go to see it at midnight since he posted it 3 hours after midnight. lol is this his revenge?

  • July 15, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    if you want high-octane

    by Winston Smith

    Tranny 3 is out, and I think it's actually Bays best film. Like, ever. Except for Bad Boys II, of course. That film makes The Godfather Part II weep, because it knows it's only a piece of shit in the big scheme of things.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:56 a.m. CST

    another can't see past THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN

    by teamneedle

    seriously, you know you aren't dealing with a potter fan and just a fanboy when someone has to throw out that "my favorite is THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN" what a bore, don't review the film if you knew you weren't going to even consider liking it.

  • Every damn potter story or review on this site, it seems Azkaban is mentioned. I guess it pays for a director to be a friend of the site.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:07 a.m. CST

    they are all mediocre/good


    why would the finale be any different

  • July 15, 2011, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Guys, calm down, it

    by RZA

    Have YOU seen the movie? I have, and I gotta say, Capone isn't too far off the mark. The crazy final battle to end all final battles was nowhere near as epic as it cold have been (and should have been). Yeah, the voldemort stuff is pretty frickin' awesome, the acting overall was great, the special effects looked cool, but the story was a bit clunky in certain places, Ron and Hermione aren't given enough to do/say and the 3d was terrible and detracted from the experience. IN MY OPINION!

  • my personal favorite is HPB- just great story telling and maybe one of the best looking films of the 00's next to Bruno Delbonnel's own Amelie and a very long engagement- DH2 was pretty damn good though- the first 25 minutes are pretty choppy but after that it is a pretty damn special film- no where near as campy or poorly written as return of the king.... just saying.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:10 a.m. CST

    and btw, AZKABAN is the best of the series

    by RZA

  • July 15, 2011, 4:14 a.m. CST


    by ryan

    i was so let down. i never read the books. but honestly if i added up the amount of time that i actually witnessed hogwarts being destroyed on screen. it maybe added up to 5 minutes. THIS IS HOGWARTS. its like the minis tirith to LOTR. and thats it? thats the big battle? when i saw loads of enemies on screen, i immediately thought this could be the helms deep of the potter series. or even the final stand. this has got to be epic. but nope, just let down. a couple cruddy trolls, no real sense of danger, no flying badasses, even voldemort didnt seem all that fucking evil. i love fiennies, but give the guy some fucking material here. and at the end after all the crazy shit that apparently went down(tho most was offscreen, fuckin a to that) there was no real sense of relief. just some smiles. then 19 years later...........MORE LIKE THE NEXT FUCKIN DAY. look what weta, peter jackson and crew can do with make up. THATS WHAT YOUR TRYING TO SELL US WITH 19 YEARS OF AGE. i feel cheated. fuck david yates, and fuck this movie. what a let down.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:17 a.m. CST


    by teamneedle

    no dump trucks filled with food??

  • July 15, 2011, 4:18 a.m. CST

    its like the minis tirith to LOTR

    by Winston Smith

    Uh... that battle was epic and lasted wayyyy longer than 5 minutes. The ending was disappointing, though that's how the novel did it as well, but as a whole I didn't walk out of ROTK thinking, man that Minis Tirith battle just wasn't long enough!

  • July 15, 2011, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Agreed on Azkaban

    by NuckyThompson

    Time travel makes me scream like a little girl

  • July 15, 2011, 4:23 a.m. CST

    AICN = Armond White

    by mongo126

    97% at Rotten Tomatoes, but we thought it was "meh". Want to see a good movie? Go see Transformers - TDOTM. Shia for best actor!!!!

  • how soon till this whiny generation of emo kids graduates to a real badass fantasy series like Game of Thrones.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Not a fanboy....

    by colinjbooth

    But just because someone thinks Azkaban is the best film, that doesn't mean he/she is a douche, just that they are FILM CRITICS. I think the best HP film is Azkaban, and I'd still only give it 3*. A 17 hour, exposition-filled snoozefest. If I wasn't being paid to watch TDHpt2 tomorrow I could easily live with never seeing the denouement. Tosh.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:28 a.m. CST


    by ryan

    hey dear, apparently you misunderstood my entire rant about the battle being horrible. I didnt say minis tirith battle lasted 5 minutes, obviously thats not true ya turd. im saying hogwarts is the potter series' minis tirith. as in the form of a stronghold or the "main schindig". i expected this battle to be LARGE, not last 5 minutes.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Capone does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Superman Returns is the finest and most well-rounded film about superheroes ever made. Superman Returns isn't simply good, it's damn near perfect, and it gets better with repeated viewings. Capone - little off topic but out of interest do you still stand by your review of SUPERMAN RETURNS?

  • July 15, 2011, 4:37 a.m. CST


    by HansBubi

    let's return now to Attack the Block articles, already in progress.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:37 a.m. CST


    by Winston Smith

    Hmm... well fair enough. I disagree, I thought the film had a pretty good scope, and something far beyond any of the other Potter films. Some of the best battle moments in LOTR were the quicker stuff, too. The film wasn't perfect, of course, but I don't know. It was better than the book, and the worst part about it was also the worst part of the book. I'd say HP 7 (both parts) is the best film of the series, and they really go together like an old school epic, i.e. just have an intermission and call it one film.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:47 a.m. CST

    It did feel a little rushed.

    by Gabba-UK

    They could've added another 25 minutes for some of the stuff they missed and no one would mind the extra run time. But they wanted pace I guess. I saw the 2D version and the multiplex I saw it, in York, is actually showing the 2D version three times as many as the 3D version. Am I beginning to sence that the 3D bubble is gonna burst? I hope so. The only thing that really annoyed me was that Molly Weasleys 'Ripley' moment was very short and really was blink and miss it. But it got a thunderous cheer when it happened at least. McGonagall shows us all just how bad ass she is and Maggie Smith shines in this. Warwick Davies as Griphook is awesomely good too, full of menace and schemes. But the moment every reader of the books had been waiting for as Hermione stops holding back and realises what we all knew from book three that Ron is her man was worth the wait. Rupert Grint and Emma Watson finally become actors in this one so that's a bonus. But this is Radcliffe's and Fiennes movie all the way. Both are effortless here and if anyone has been saying that Daniel's performances have been lacking in the past, can officially shut up now. And one more thing. Kelly MacDonald, even as a ghost, still gives me the raging horn.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:56 a.m. CST

    underwhelming with no real feeling

    by WickedJacob

    sounds like they captured the book pretty well, then. The last book is not a grand emotional finale . . . its a sloppy half-assed attempt at wrapping up things that JKR obviously was having trouble keeping track of things herself. People felt it had emotional impact because they brought that emotion with them, not because the book actually earns. Sounds like the movie is the same way.

  • yeah, so it sounds like Transformers 3 is more your thing. Are you saying yanks only like mindless bang bang? Now, how long till we get the condescending review from Harry saying he feels Potter is a qood quality well made kids franchise, as if Jar Jar Binks, Ewoks, LOTR elephant surfing etc is serious adult fare?

  • July 15, 2011, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Does Kenneth Branagh cameo??

    by john

    Would love to see Professor Lockhart again.

  • July 15, 2011, 5:28 a.m. CST

    AICN reviewers

    by chinofjim

    loved Transformers 3, but damn HP7pt2 with damn praise along the lines of "it was ok but I wanted to see more shit get blown up" I guess Michael Bay must have taken a wee rest from fucking the frame so as to spend some time giving you guys BJ's


  • July 15, 2011, 5:55 a.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    you are smart

  • July 15, 2011, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Patience does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    I was patient with the plot-heavy THE DEATHLY HALLOWS, PART 1... says Capone. Kiddie movie bit complicated for ya? This man has the attention span of a gnat after being turned to the dark side by his love for TRANSFORMERS and Bay. Is he also the guy who described PREDATOR as full of dead space?!

  • July 15, 2011, 6:06 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Our movie going taste buds are all different, but surely any critic who believes the limp-dicked SUPERMAN RETURNS: LOOK WHO'S STALKING is damn near perfect and the finest superhero movie ever made really needs to have their palette examined. You're like a restaurant critic dishing out Michelin Stars after being served a chicken nugget Happy Meal.

  • July 15, 2011, 6:10 a.m. CST

    97% Positive on RT; Avg Rtg 8.4

    by Blanket-Man

    But AICN just doesn't care for the new Potter much. Hey, y'all are entitled to your opinion, but when it flies in the face of such a vast majority of so-called professional critics, that's a bit of a red flag to me.

  • July 15, 2011, 6:37 a.m. CST

    "I'm a lover of film..." LOLERSKATES!!

    by LargoJr

    The idea that people expected a final reveal like the original 'Planet of the Apes'... seriously.. WTF??? This is a story that revolved around the most unbelievably inept, and incompetent ass-wipe on the planet. He spent the ENTIRE series practically tripping thru scenes, having his co-stars hand him everything on a freaking platter, and then telling him how 'Brilliant' he is.. seriously? Man.. get OVER this shit already. It is what it is, entertainment that does little more then use up a few hours of your day. If you walked out of the theater disappointing after having seen this movie, then holy shit.. next time, find a better use of your time and stop wasting it on pop-culture crap!

  • July 15, 2011, 6:42 a.m. CST

    I saw it yesterday - I think you're off the mark, Capone

    by Movietool

    Any more "kick" in the action sequences would have given us the frantic, unwatchable action American audiences seem to have fallen so in love with from films like Transformers and the Bourne series, where a lot of blurry stuff happens but little of it is visually understandable. The action sequences in this movie were FANTASTIC. They were well shot, well paced, and most of all, YOU COULD UNDERSTAND JUST WHAT THE FUCK WAS GOING ON. For a movie that was mostly one extended battle, it had wonderful quiet moments as well, and gave nearly every significant character in the series a proper sign off. Like the book, this film was a worthy conclusion to the series, made with skill and affection for the journey it's taken its audience on these many years. I thought it a wonderful movie.

  • July 15, 2011, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Poor thing..

    by Justin Atkinson

    Reviews on this site seem to share a similar quality of egotistical geekdom, if that makes sense. The common flow seems to be - start off with a personal right of passage about myself and my feelings about this and that. Then a review of some sort, with enough critical focal points (good or bad) to give it, and the reviewer a degree of validity in the world of the critic. Then continue the waffle and complete the right of passage. I cant take any of them seriously... You seriously all sound like a bunch of sweaty housebound geeks...It's no wonder you don't write for the trades.. It's bollocks - just stick to the scoops guys and drop the personality contests...

  • July 15, 2011, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Yet Capone Praised MacGRUBER... Go Figure.

    by Graphix67

    If I remember correctly, he wrote that it "pounds some cunth"... Oh well, I guess that Warner-Bros. just didn't need to "rent" the same type of heavy promotion on the AICN site for Potter as Relatively-Media did for MacGruber.

  • Oh, wait, I forgot, most of you are illiterate. My bad.

  • July 15, 2011, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Ah, more people that cannot read

    by Doctor Manhattan

    Capone liked the film. So did the last reviewer. They say it in plain English. Too many talkbackers just ignore what is actually said for their own stupid ass biases.

  • July 15, 2011, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Already have tickets for 10 AM showing

    by Peter David

    In 2D of course. There wasn't a single moment of daylight in any of the trailers and I've already had experience with 3D set at night. Won't be making THAT mistake again. PAD

  • July 15, 2011, 7:58 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    doctor manhattan, aicn don't do subtlety. If they like a film they say so in the headline with loads of exclamation marks and comments like bugnuts crazy cool and splooge all over the screen. Read Capone's reviews of TRANSFORMERS 3 or SUPERMAN RETURNS for examples. In this case we have comments like: PART 2 takes the series out with a whimper!!! (yeah I know it has the exclamation marks - these guys really cant help themselves) I don't mean to imply that I didn't like THE DEATHLY HALLOWS, PART 2. (doing a pretty job at implying that so far Capone) I'm not sure how much I can add to this review, except to say that this is not my favorite of the series (go on and cite PRISONER OF AZKABAN, yep there it is). the American in me wanted just a little more kick (it's good but it's not TRANSFORMERS 3 good!!!!!!!)

  • Why must fans attack whenever a review dares to say one of their beloved movies isn't...gasp...perfect? He didn't say it was terrible, just that it wasn't a rousing A+ finish. Look at the review for all other Potter films. (pick up the new EW if you want a quick glance at what they thought: Bs across the board.) Potter films were never fantastic. They were never in any danger of getting an Oscar nod. They were just entertaining adaptations of the most popular modern book series. Plotting, pacing, characters...though they might come straight from the page, there was a lot of awkwardness and dullness on screen. p.s. I dare anyone to rewatch Harry fighting the basilisk in CoS and not laugh. Really. It's like a sock puppet vs. a kid in another room.

  • July 15, 2011, 8:09 a.m. CST

    So the 3D sucks? Big surprise, IT ALWAYS SUCKS!

    by skycrapper

    I go out of my way now to see movies in 2D the way they are meant to be seen. Fuck Cameron for ever introducing the cluster fuck of a cash grab that has eveloped hollywood ever since that piece of crap Avatar. Good call cobra--kai on that Superman Returns review.

  • July 15, 2011, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Ppl who say Azkhaban is their favorite potter film.

    by knowthyself

    Can suck it. They just want to name drop Alfonso Cuaron so they can sound like cool hip movie nerds because the potter film they like was directed by an art house director. The best potter film is Sorcerer's Stone.

  • July 15, 2011, 8:18 a.m. CST


    by dahveed1972

    You have zero credibility at this point. I say this as a friend. We'll still come here for the clips and the swag and the talkbacks, but enough with the reviews. You suck at it. Sorry. A glance at Rotten Tomatoes should tell anyone all they have to know. And I'm neither a Harry Potter fan, nor a troll. And the MacGruber review (plus any reviews by Nordling/Harry) is only one glaring example.

  • July 15, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Sorcerer's Stone was a POS

    by dahveed1972

    Bizarre that that was your fave. Takes all kinds i guess.

  • July 15, 2011, 8:20 a.m. CST

    So what was the startling

    by JRcanReid

    true nature of Dumbledore's interest in Harry since he was a baby? Are we talking pedobear stuff here?

  • July 15, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Alan Rickman finally gets to act in this one

    by thelordofhell

    Whenever he's on screen is when this movie's any good. Alan deserves an Oscar nod for this one.

  • July 15, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Needs to be seen as a whole

    by Romoehlio

    As standalone it lacks the impact it has when watched straight after Part 1. Was the same with Half Blood Prince. Although good on its own it became even better when watched straight after Order! Ohhh... and... who do I say this... Hermione has got... Nards! TDKR Teaser worked great on the Big Screen but I don't know where people saw Catwoman. Last shot it Batman fighting in the rain...

  • July 15, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST

    To all those hating on anybody who says "Azkaban" is the best...

    by elsachmo

    It obviously had the most style of any of the films, and I just watched a Harry Potter documentary where pretty much every one of the stars said it was their favorite as well, so I guess you have to call them names too. It's just that these last few have been very poorly written and directed which is just a horrible ending to a great series from many talented Directors. How this Director got, and kept, his job is a mystery and a shame...

  • July 15, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Really Capone?

    by Magic01273

    You think part 2 is more of the same? The 2 halves of deathly hallows are almost completley different genres of movie. Yes, its a continuation of the same overall story (duh!) but the films are only completely different playing fields. Pt 2 was really excellent. Yes, the pacing was very quick at times and I do wish we'd seen a few of the other key characters more closely in the battle, but I understand why the action needed to follow the Trio (asin fact, the book did). That said, pretty much every major character got their brillaint moments. Alan Rickmans scenes were just brilliant, brilliant, brilliant and almost made up for his shameful under-use in the previous films. Neville Longbottom's moments, as well as Molly Weaselys duel with Bellatrix both got massive (and well deserved) cheers in the theatre. The epilogue with the characters shown aged is done particularly well. Sure there were a few giggles in the crowd - however that really is more to do with the "novelty" of seeing these characters 20 years later, as opposed to the scenes being done badly. The age make up/effects are subtle, effective and not too jarring and it was a exremely fitting and rousing way to end the movie and the series. The effects throughout the movie were superb and the score was utterly brillaint too. The series has never been particularly kind to "non fans" I agree. However that has been the case throughout most of the films, and so its kind of moot to continue to bemoan this - especially as Pt. 2 arguably does do a very good job of keeping both fans and non-fans clear on what is going on, and ties up the story very well. As I say, I only wish it could have gone on longer and shown us more of the different characters in action during the battle scenes. What you do see does not dissapoint however (and I understand creatively, you can't just show hours of an old building getting blown up from every conceivable angle, as that would get tiresome too, in the end) All in all - a absolutely brilliant end to the films. I predict a MASSIVE box office haul is coming.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    So, uh, Michael Bay just called...

    by bat725

    He wanted to thank Capone for shitting all over Harry Potter. Hopefully, TF3 can pull in another 40 mil this weekend.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    My favorite was Goblet of Fire.

    by tomandshell

    But Azkaban is a close second.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Agreed, what a letdown

    by D.Vader

    It was just okay, but not great. It was missing so many details from the books, Past characters who should have been there in the fight. I can't believe they didn't even bother to include Hagrid's brother Grawp to fight the attacking giants. Why even bother having giants if you're not going to have the one good giant enter the fray against them?

  • July 15, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    And Voldemort's "death" made no sense at all

    by D.Vader

    No buildup either. It just... Happens.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:43 a.m. CST

    A better review here:

    by codecrackx15

  • July 15, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Stop attacking people who like POA the best of the series

    by D.Vader

    It make you look petty and immature.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Haven't seen a Potter film since '06

    by kafka07

    Really crappy ass movies. Glad it's over with finally, as I'm sick of the trailers.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by Magic01273

    [ BIG spoilers] in this movie: Harry/Trio hunting and destroying Voldy's horcruxes, then Harry sacrificing himself to Voldemort in order to destroy the piece of Voldy's soul within him, before fighting more with Voldy, jumping off the castle battlements with him all before the final face off - doesn't count as build up? I'm really not sure what you were expecting here. I've saw plently of build up... Unless you mean you were dissatisfied with the death scene itself? Personally, I found The final moments of the Harry/Voldy duel, interlinked with Ron, Hermione and (ultimately) Neville dispatching the last horcrux to be very well done, in terms of the tension, knowing that the snake has to die before Harry can take Voldy down. Lots of build up and pretty satisfying scene from where I was sat. Just my 2 cents, appreciate opinions vary.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Hey Magic

    by D.Vader

    I was referring to different scenes when I was complaining about lack of buildup. What you mentioned was great. I'm speaking specifically about other parts, and honestly my sleep-addled mind is having a hard time remembering when I first felt the pacing was off. I remember thinking the bank pacing was off, but also something before the big battle at Hogwarts. Maybe I'll remember more later. And as for the Death Scene, on yeah, I was COMPLETELY dissatisfied with that. I almost let out an audible groan, I couldn't believe it happened the way it did. It doesn't make any sense. Have you read the books? I thought the Ron/Hermione/snake scene undercut Neville's heroism (despite including the famous moment, albeit differently, from the book) and it annoyed me greatly. I understand why it was done, but I prefer the book's handling of those big moments instead. I would have greatly preferred for Neville to kill the snake the way it happened in the book, for Voldemort and his weaknesses to have been laid bare in front of *everyone*, good guys and Death Eaters alike, and then for Harry and Voldemort to have had their duel, all the while keeping the audience in suspense over how Harry is going to kill Voldemort. Instead, as it stands in the movie, it appears that all you have to do is kill the snake and Voldemort dies. It was weak.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by abe

  • July 15, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    D's "true interest in Harry"?

    by abe

    Wasn't it because he's gay? Ya, really good kids story stuff.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST

    couldn't get into these films

    by MJDeViant

    After two I gave up. No regrets.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:41 a.m. CST


    by Magic01273

    I have read the books - ALOT, though I do have an abolutely terrible memory for details. However doesn't Neville kill Nagini "off-screen" in the book? I seem to recal that its explained, rather than shown, that Neville pulled the sword out of the hat to kill her. I'm not too sure and could be completely wrong, but thats how I remember it. But in any case to my mind, far from diluting it - showing Nagini bearing down and about to attack/kill Ron and Hermione - 2 of our heroes - only upped the Neville heroics for me. Ron and Hermione were in serious trouble before Neville arrives. A massive cheer went up in the movie theatre I was in (a midnight showing full of die-hard fans) so I'm not sure that too many people were worried about the changes in this respect. I do agree the beginning felt a bit slow - the dialogue/exposition with Griphook and Ollivander at the cottage at the start, and the bank scenes themselves felt smaller and a little less "exciting" than I thought they were going to be, if I'm honest.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by Magic01273

    Congrats - you've figured out that ALL gay people are Paedo's and in fact there are some deleted scenes on the BluRays showing Dumbledore innappropriately touching Harry. You stupid fucking ignorant cunt.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by Magic01273

    Vader - you do see that Harry's final spell actually does connect with Voldemorts wand and then travel up voldemorts arm. Its true that you don't actually know exactly which curse harry sent out of his wand, but I guess because I saw it connect with his body, before breaking his power and dissarming him, I didn't feel like it was wierd really.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    SPOILERS for the movie! SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS No, Neville does not kill Nagini offscreen. In fact, I thought they were building to do it exactly as it happened in the book: Neville stands up before Voldemort, gives his speech, just like in the movie. Voldemort keeps throwing silencing spells on him, but he's able to break free through force of will, and the others follow. Voldemort, recognizing the growing tension about him, that despite Harry being dead, he's still a symbol and Neville is leading the charge to avenge Harry's death, makes the Sorting Hat sit on Neville's head, and then he sets it on fire in a grisly and terribly frightening moment. I think at this moment, Harry slips away, and in the confusion, Neville is able to tear the hat off, pull out Gryffindor's sword, and cut off Nagini's head in front of EVERYONE, including Voldemort. What a fantastically heroic moment for Neville (in front of everyone instead of just Ron and Hermione) and what a devastating blow for Voldemort and his followers. Instead, this movie neutered Neville's moment and robbed him of that by having Ron and Hermione get in on the action, I thought. People cheer at that moment bc its a big one from the book and they're happy to see it. Its lip service to the fans; they'd cheer regardless, just like they cheer at the weak Weasley/Bellatrix scene; they just want to hear Mrs. Weasley deliver that famous line. I can see where you and others would enjoy the tension of "will they won't they" with Ron, Hermione, and the snake. But for my part, I prefer the book's resolution with Neville doing the heroic deed in front of everyone, including Voldemort, thus making Voldy more desperate and dangerous. I wish I could remember the exact moment I felt could be better in regards to pacing early on. I felt the Ollivander scene went on a bit too long, but that's not it. With regards to the bank, I did love the character moment with the Dragon, free for the first time in years, enjoying his first breathes of fresh, free air in the sunlight before clumsily flying off, as if his body had forgotten how.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Magic, you do see that?

    by D.Vader

    SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS I don't recall that at all. I just remember another red vs green moment and the Elder Wand flying out of his hand this time. Either way, its unmotivated and doesn't make sense after all the red vs green moments they've had thus far in the movie. I feel better if they showed the red spell travel up Voldemort's arm, but even then, that's enough to kill him? Harry always uses the same Expelliarmus (red) spell on Voldemort. That's not enough to kill someone. I thought it ridiculous that its apparently enough to make Voldemort flake away, though. What they should have done was tied his death to the COMPLETELY UNEXPLAINED moment from Pt I where Harry's wand acts on its own and shoots fire out at Voldemort when Voldy tries to kill him in midair. That made no sense in the context of the movie and was never ever brought up again. That would have been the perfect moment to explain the wands refusing to kill the Master of the Elder Wand and how if Voldemort tries it now, its only going to destroy him instead (which is what happens in the book).

  • July 15, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by Dekutree41


  • July 15, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST


    by Magic01273

    I take it all back then - perhaps if my shitty memory were better, I too would have preferred the book version :). Might have to go back to the book to re-read that part now! I thought the Dragon was a really great touch too. Don't know why, but I also thought it was particularly nice that Hermione was the one to blast Fenrir through the window after he kills Lavender.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    R.I.P AICN

    by Todd1700

    I don't know the bottom line truth. Bought off by certain studios or just ridiculously bad taste? But when the reviewers at this site run around and around jerking off in ecstatic glee over a film like Transformers 3 (quite possibly the worst movie to get a wide release in theaters since Jaws 4) and then piss all over a vastly superior movie like this? Well, I think you can stick a fork in this place as source of info about movies. They are either bribed and therefore untrustworthy or have the shittiest taste in movies of anyone I know.

  • July 15, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    I am a fan of Capone

    by thecheesegrommit

    But this is weird because it seems contrary to every other review....and I AM not accusing Capone of being a contrary Mary....just weird

  • July 15, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    Magic, my friends and I discussed this last night

    by D.Vader

    I didn't realize that was Lavender Brown! My friend just finished the book and says in the book, Hermione saves Lavender. This is, I think, the same scene that sees Kreacher leading the House-Elves out of the kitchen and into battle (God I wish that was there). She complained that Hermione saves Lavender, but here she's dead. I said "no way! That was a boy lying there!" But she and her boyfriend maintained it was Lavender Brown. Didn't look like her to me. Makes it a more poignant moment, though, that's for sure.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST


    by Magic01273

    Don't get me wrong - I understand where you are coming from. I've seen the film twice now and from the perspective of a die hard fan (albeit not one with an encyclopedic memory of the book details!) I can agree that the killing of Voldy doesn't make complete sense, given what we know of killing curses and Harry's expelliarmus habit. I guess the film-makers really just felt, after Nagini was killed, all they really needed to show was Harry's spell, pushing back voldermorts ("breaking his power" so to speak) and then connecting with Voldy's wand/arm. Thematically the scene works in my view, and looking at it just from regular viewers perspective it didn't seem that odd to me, to be honest. Perhaps more of a niggling "technical" oddity than something I can't get over, or that affects my enjoyment.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Sorry, HP Fanatics

    by Rebeck2

    Azkaban IS the best movie in the series - by a country mile. It's the only one that works as an independent story with a beginning, middle and end...the only one I truly enjoyed as a piece of entertainment. The rest of the movies I have watched with a certain grudging respect and not hated (well, except I do hate Columbus, always have), but by no means do I really like or care about them and I certainly don't want any but POA in my DVD collection. I've never really "gotten" Potter from the start. I'm not big on fantasy, or wizards, and Rowling created a singularly passive hero who never takes any real action until the very end. It's like a one-book story streeeeeeeetched over 7 books and 8 films. Besides, only a woman would have the goofy best friend get the girl. ;)

  • July 15, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST

    by Magic01273

    yeah - on first viewing I wasn't sure who it was either. I thought it was her, but it was a little blink-and-you'll miss it. Second time round - yep, it was her.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:10 a.m. CST

    House Elves

    by Magic01273

    ..I actually wish the house elves had played a much bigger role in the Book battle too, though. I always dreamed the last book would contain Giants vs House Elves scenes. They were always depicted as being surprisingly powerful and seeing the classic "little-guys standing up to the big guys" would have been pretty epic.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    POA was good, but it dragged. The pacing was terrible.

    by bat725

    But, you know what? Children of Men sucked ass, and the film geeks on this site think it's like the best sci-fi movie ever. So, go figure.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST

    They should make the 3d glasses

    by henrydalton

    look like Harry's glasses. Then you'd have a whole audience of creepy Harry wannabe weirdos for your publicity shots. Warners marketing, I await your job offer.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Its weird to me Magic

    by D.Vader

    I just see no reason for Voldemort to have been killed that way. As it stands, Neville kills Nagini seconds before, and that's what feels like the killing blow. Like all one had to do was kill the snake and that kills Voldemort. Its weird to me. If its not for you, cool, but to me, as a storyteller, its confusing and weak.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I KNOW RIGHT, Magic?!?!

    by D.Vader

    The fucking House-Elves! Why did Yates have to ignore them! Fuck. No Centaurs rushing into battle! No Elves marching against Death-Eaters! No Grawp defending good guys from the evil giants! No Buckbeak and the Thestrals attacking Dementors and flying Death Eaters. Fucking David Yates. In the book its a great moment knowing all these magical creatures, many of whom have been terribly mistreated by witches and wizards, like the centaurs and house-elves (this even has precedent in the movies, not just the books), stand up against evil and side with the good guys. Its wonderful. And Yates said "Forget that".

  • July 15, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Vader - Molly vs Bellatrix

    by Magic01273

    ... what did you think? I'm thinking maybe you'll say you didn't like this, perhapps because the method Molly used to finally kill Bellatrix was - again - artistic license and not technically correct by the book and yet, I think they absolutely nailed for the movie. Loved the line delivery, love the little "falter" that Molly has after the initial strike (have heard fans saying she should not have had any doubt, but got to say I disagree) and though from purely a fan perspective I wish it could have shown a few more seconds of Bella bearing down on Ginny, and the duel itself have been a bit "bigger" and gone on longer, I can't help but completely love the scene.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Vader - Agreed on the magical creatures

    by Magic01273

    its the one MAJOR piece that should have been included in the battle. In fact, thoughout the movies, the filmakers reluctance to give any focus to the creatures really left the universe feeling more shallow than it should have been. I'm still pissed there were no Blast-Ended Skrewts in Goblet!

  • July 15, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Boo Hoo. And Paris Hilton wasnt in it so it sucks

    by Knobules

    Hilron lover freakj

  • July 15, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I like that Capone said he liked the movie...

    by Lenny Nero

    ...and you're jumping down this throat. Good job, AICN goons.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Just seen this movie and it is very good indeed!!..However-

    by sam jacksons wig

    Oddly enough i did prefer the first part of deathly hallows as it gave alot more time for character development.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Magic, I thought I mentioned that here

    by D.Vader

    Must be another talkback. Thinking back on it, I kind of hate the Molly/Bellatrix scene. And not for the reasons you think I might. I severely dislike it bc I think its a weak and amateurish bit of filmmaking. First off, it feels completely tacked on, like the filmmakers forgot to include it and went back during reshoots to shoehorn it into the movie. Because as it stands, we follow Harry and Voldy around for awhile, then we inexplicably cut back to this scene without ANY buildup. We haven't seen anyone duel in the Great Hall yet, but suddenly we're thrown into this Molly/Bellatrix scene that feels like lip service to the fans. There's no wide establishing shot of the action, so we don't even know where we are. There's not even a moment of Bellatrix fighting Ginny. Instead, we cut straight to a two-shot of Molly pushing Ginny aside; we don't even have a chance to realize what's going on! Its just Molly pushing her aside, delivering her famous line, faltering (which I liked too, though I would have liked it better had it had better pacing and buildup to the final curse), and then killing Bella. I actually liked the creativity of the kill. I'm getting sick of the same standard whiz-bang effects that every wizard employs in the Yates universe. I just hated that the pacing felt so rushed, that we never had a chance to really feel that Ginny was in danger. I mean, did you feel the girl was about to be killed by Bellatrix? Of course not. It would have been better to see an establishing shot of the chaos of the Great Hall, people dying everywhere, to see Ginny being attacked by Bella, defending herself but being pushed back, thrown to the ground. Bella laughs hysterically with glee and is about to kill her before Molly jumps in the way with a defensive spell and delivers her famous lines, Bellatrix's smile falling from her face as she now has a true challenge ahead. THAT would have been infinitely much better than the amateurish shot, reverse shot order that Yates treated this scene. It was weak. It gets cheers bc fans want to hear the famous line. But as it stands, there's no buildup. The moment isn't earned in my opinion bc you don't see Ginny in any danger. Hated it.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Maybe "hated it" is too strong

    by D.Vader

    But man I remember rolling my eyes in the theater at the realization that Yates was treating this famous scene like an afterthought. And it doesn't even happen in front of Voldemort? The Dark Lord doesn't get to see his Lieutenant struck down, the full realization that his forces are LOSING and he is not going to win? No, instead he's completely oblivious to everything. We don't even get that great moment of hubris leading to his downfall like we did in the book.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    The whole series is a wimper.


    How anyone apart from a young kid could get excited by these childrens films I don't know.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    And the whole series is WIMPY and PONCY!


    A specy eyed, wimpy looking boy wizard and his equally wimpy looking chums.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Most reviews seem to not get it... It's not about Hogwarts exploding

    by Andrew Coleman

    The battle sequences we get is fine and rather epic. Seeing this last night I was frankly blown away by the action. I get people wanting just a WW2 movie with magic but that wasn't the point. It's called "Harry Potter" not "Hogwarts" so we follow Harry on his mission... So those who use the "We didn't see enough of the battle" I kind of write those reviews off because they obviously are watching these movies with the wrong mind set. Frankly this movie is amazing if you think about it... Eight movies... That is something to really be impressed by, I get the haters... It's easy to try and look cool by not liking these books/movies but you're missing out frankly. DH2 had some real classic moments and the Voldemort show down was a pay off... We don't really ever get great payoffs these days. Except Dark Knight Rises... That will probably be the best pay off ever.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST


    by HughHoyland

    I'm not the hugest HP fan in the world by a long shot. In fact Ive never read one book. But I have seen all of the movies except three (OTP, DH1, and the new DH2). But I will get to those as soon as I have the time. I enjoyed each one that Ive seen. Their all fun and enjoyable fantasy escapism. But out of all of those, the most enjoyable to me was POA. It almost seemed to be a stand alone story, and a well done one at that. It also had a great "magical" vibe, but of a darker magic. It seems that the latter movies they tried to recapture some of that darker vibe again, but with mixed results. Visually they did get darker for sure, literally. Damn sometimes I have to darken the room just to be able to see some of the scenes (exp. HBP).

  • July 15, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    seems we agree on a lot - even if...

    by Magic01273

    our conclusions are different :) I didn't get the "tacked on" feeling - BUT I definately also feel that the scene should have been set up and "placed" better with the action than it was. I think that is what I was trying to say when I said about the scene needing to be "bigger" than it was, and more time dedicated to showing Bella attacking Ginny. And yet, I still loved it. It could also be because I'm a Molly fan and Julie Walters can do no wrong in my books...

  • July 15, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I thought it was great

    by Peter David

    Although I understand the desire to see the Battle of Hogwarts as some sort of SFX extravaganza, I think that kind of misses the point of the Potter saga. It's never been about the pyrotechnics in and of themselves. It's one long relationship saga. That's why it was a big deal when Harry had his first crush, and fans heatedly debate about whether Hermoine should wind up with Harry or Ron. That's why so much time with Harry seeking father figures. For that matter, it's why so much time is spent exploring the link between Harry and Voldemort. In my opinion, the film makers did exactly what they were supposed to do: show us just enough of what was happening elsewhere while we stuck with Harry on his quest. The battles that DID have direct meaning to relationships were shown in full, including a VERY clever expanding of Neville's big moment and the smackdown between Mrs. Weasely and Bellatrix, a face off that I have been waiting for since I read the book several years ago. As a total aside: I was at the San Diego Comic Con when the book came out. I had managed to snag a copy and read it on the way out. At one point I was running late for a panel and when I got there (in front of a packed house of a couple thousand people) the moderator scolded me for being tardy. Sensing an opportunity, I said, "I'm sorry, I just finished the last Harry Potter book and I needed a few minutes to compose myself." Then I turned to the audience and said, "Show of hands: how many of you cried when Hermoine died in Ron's arms?" The place went berserk. Half the people had read it and knew I was kidding; half hadn't finished it and were stroking out right there in the hall. I have a strange idea of fun. PAD

  • July 15, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter...epic....DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!


    How anyone can say these films have anything epic about them I don't fuckin know.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    An epic is something like Lawrence of Arabia NOT Harry bloody Potter.


    Something with a bit of meat to it....something that's not aimed at 5 year olds. The day Harry bloody Potter becomes an epic is the day that common sense died.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    But, myphisdoom...

    by D.Vader

    If you're going to cut away from Harry to show Ron and Hermione in the Chamber of Secrets of the gotta-do-it-for-the-fans Molly vs Bellatrix scene, moments Harry wasn't anywhere NEAR to witnessing, why can't you pull back and show other near and dear characters fighting in the battle too? The "We have to follow Harry's POV" doesn't apply to these criticisms. I fully believe Yates could have really shown us the full extent of this battle, ESPECIALLY since his defense of cutting out the battle at the end of Half-Blood Prince was bc they were pulling out all the stops with this one.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    These fuckin films are RUINING decent cinema.


    Years ago kids films had their place and they didn't try to be something they're of people talking about the epicness of a film like LOArabia........they actually think Harry poncy Potter's in the same league. Which is stupid and totally fucking crazy.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    True that, Magic

    by D.Vader

    I'm glad we can discuss this and disagree on points amicably! And when I say "tacked on", I meant not only bc its introduction is jarring, but bc we never go back to the Great Hall either. Its the only moment we see from that big chaotic scene (other than Neville waking up in a closeup). Because of that, it stands out and doesn't feel organically integrated into the story, in my opinion anyway.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Conan O'Brien said it best: "I point at thee! I point at thee!"

    by 3D-Man

    Because, come on, that's pretty much all it is.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by Keith

    I didn't care all that much for it (even though it's the tightest of the books). I thought that Goblet of Fire was the best of the movies. All of Yates's movies (so far; haven't seen this one) have featured flat and uninteresting direction imo.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    OOP was my fave

    by Magic01273

    Loads of flaws (as they all do) and yet it was the best adaptation in my view (considering the size of the book). I really liked Imelda Staunton as Umbridge and I liked many of the DA scenes. Didn't like a lot of what they did in the Ministry at the end, however the Ministry itself was realised very well and enjoyed the Dumbledore/Voldemort duel. Against all odds, its also one of my favourite books of the series - meaning I should have been outraged at the sheer amount they had to leave out/ change. But I really wasn't and thought it was overall a good film.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter = Mary Poppins..with better special effects.


    And the kids in HP are very similar to the toffee nosed brats in that too.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    OOP is when I really started to dislike Yates

    by D.Vader

    After getting so much right, I was terribly disappointed to see him neuter the Ministry of Magic. No battles, no retreats, no moments where Harry thinks Hermione is dead and he's dragging her lifeless body through different rooms, a mishandled Sirius death, no Harry raging against Dumbledore at the end for all the problems he's faced that year and the loss of his godfather. I knew then that there was a lot Yates wasn't concerned with or just didn't get.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    But Umbridge was fantastically cruel

    by D.Vader

    So sickly sweet, just like the book.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Harry potter started as a ripoff of the movie TROLL


    look it up. them's the facts.

  • July 15, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I'm just glad it's over

    by xsikal

    Didn't care for the books (particularly the last one), and stopped watching the movies 3-4 films ago, so I'm glad the world of cinema can move on to something hopefully new. Oh, wait... there's a new Twilight film coming, isn't there? Sigh.

  • July 15, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by Magic01273

    We've all heard it. Fortunately, I'm less interested in how it started out and more interested in how it ended up. Which is nothing like the movie TROLL.

  • July 15, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Dumbledore's interest in Harry?

    by FeralAngel

    I didn't know he was into LITTLE boys...

  • July 15, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Alan Rickman

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    Was fucking EPIC in this movie. I'm thrilled they gave him as much screen time as they did, the whole scene with Harry looking at his (Snapes) memories through the pensieve was absolutely brilliant, and just added so much more to the climax of the movie. As miffed as i was about some of the things they left out (more build up to Molly/Bellatrix;Voldemort dueling Minerva/Slughorn/Shacklebolt simultaneously), I am more than satisfied with this (supposed) final installment. You know WB is going to try and coerce JK Rowling to write a couple more books set in the HP universe.

  • July 15, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Setup and payoff

    by ME_M

    Have not seen the movie yet. But from Quint's and Capone's reviews, seems like my concerns about Part I have carried over to Part II. The last movie had to cut out a lot from the book, but it did it in an odd way: scenes were still set-up (with no payoff), or we were given pay-offs with no set-up (so they felt empty).

  • July 15, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    D.Vader... a mishandled Sirius death...

    by Mattman

    The problem I have with Yates is that he abandons important story elements, yet for some inexplicable reason makes no attempt to make dramatic scenes anymore dramatic than they were in the books. Scenes that were dramatic on paper aren't necessarily going to work on film, and Sirius' death is a prime example of that. You have to do MORE, but Yates doesn't bother. Remember in Fellowship of the Ring when Jackson decided to SHOW you Gandalf and Saruman's little chat? It wasn't in the book, but it's something you NEED to see in the movie. Jackson knew exactly what to remove and what to enhance. That's the essence of translating a book to the screen. You can't have everything... it's impossible (even with the 10 hour Game of Thrones, things get nixed)... so you have to play up what works. Yates feels very by the numbers, and then eliminates important story elements. I don't hate the guy's movies. I find Order to be a decent movie, Half Blood very good but sorely lacking some explanation (I'm the half blood prince! Uh... so? What does that mean?), and I fucking despised Deathly Hallows Part 1, which was a yawn-inducing borefest of epic proportions. I don't need to see them camping for an hour. Jesus Christ. I'll see Part 2 tomorrow. Not expecting to like it, but who knows.

  • July 15, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    lordoflight, Mary Poppins is a masterpiece

    by Mattman

    Using in as a derogative comparison is foolish. Harry Potter the death of cinema? Laughable. At least they're nicely filmed and can hold a shot for more than 2 seconds, unlike the Michael Bay, Paul Greengrass nonsense.

  • July 15, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    *using it

    by Mattman

  • Yet you're happy HARRY POTTER is over so you don't have to put up with it?

  • July 15, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter and the Last NYEEEEEEAAAAAAARRGHHHH

    by Koborover

  • July 15, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST


    by lv_426

    Hollywood does not really want to move onto something new. They are all about prequelization and rebootification these days. Just look at the movie news from this week: The Evil Dead (remake) Akira (adaptation) Godzilla (remake) The Thing (a prequel/remake that looks exactly like the one from 1982, which was also a remake) Total Recall (remake of an adaptation of a story by the extremely exploited Philip K. Dick) John Carter (adaptation) And next year: Prometheus (Alien prequel) Spiderman (reboot/origin story) Man of Steel (Superman reboot/origin story) The Dark Knight Rises (2nd sequel to the sequel of a reboot of the 3rd adaptation of a comic book character, who will probably be rebooted again in a couple years) The Hobbit (prequel/adaptation)

  • and you should really see more of Greengrass work before you dismiss his stuff as nonsense. its not all shaky cams and jump cuts. I promise. lordofflight is a whiny troll tho.

  • July 15, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    3d darkness

    by krabklaw

    Didn't he know this movie would be too dark with 3d glasses on? These movies are all heavy on the dark scenes anyway.

  • July 15, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Thumbs up, but...

    by MGTHEDJ

    I'm with Capone, d.vader, and mattman. And the flaws can be placed completely at the feet of Yates and his editor Mark Day. While changes need to be made, some are made when there is no need. Important characters are left out, like Hagid's brother and the the other magical creatures being used in the final battle. Also Remes' wife Tonk, a fan favorites, being reduced to a one-line cameo if you consider Deathly Hallows one 4 hour film is quite disheartening. 7 films with several different directors causes a clash of styles, but in the case of Yates it's not a good thing. Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets look like "Amblin Studio" films thanks to Chris Columbus. This works to show the wonder of Hogwarts and the Harry Potter universe. Prisoner of Askaban with it's use of the tree to show time passing is very strong choise, One that was dropped for Half-Blood Prince. Mike Newell's Goblet of Fire is confusing because, while he's good with rom-coms and "drawing room dramas", he's not great with action and it showed. He didn't know where to put the camera. Yates did a great job in Order of the Phoenix with the character of Umbridge. But he too has an issue with were to put the camera. In DH Part 1 the camera is too far away when everyone makes the dash to the rendevous at the beginning of the film. Ron's brother after the battle is pooly shot. Yates did good with Remes and Tonk's hands. And his best work is Giphook in the chair at the beginning of Part 2. It is riviting, but then he goes for the average stuff like the walk into The Bank. Mark Day really blew it with the escape from the vault. The cut from the dragon killing the banker to the other goblins attacking was very sloppy. I now know how some feel about Return of the Jedi.

  • I’ve been a defender of David Yates since Order of the Phoenix and for a Director with only a bunch of television credits; I thought he did a great job with Order despite my personal belief that the book had problems. My one complaint was that the movie felt way too clipped and could have used a bit more breathing space. I also believe that he’s incapable of properly delivering those big emotional moments with satisfying punch. He also had a tendency to underplay things a bit too much. He’s a good shooter but doesn’t have control over the flow of his films. Deathly Hallows Part 2 has all of these problems to the fucking max and then some. I can’t begin to tell you how fucking disappointed I am with this fucking movie. I was all set to buy the entire series on Blur-Ray at the end of the year but now, fuck that. This is Spider-man 3 levels of disappointment. Firstly, this movie is horribly edited. It’s soo choppy and cut soo tight that it rushes through anything that’s important while on the other end of the scale he lets other scene’s drag on and fucking on. Example, Snape’s back story was something that should have been taken slow. Instead it’s done at a lightening pace and we never get a fucking sense that Snape loved Lily. This is a perfect example of how Yates both cuts too quick and also cuts short any sort of big emotional payoff. The Yates decides to drag out that fucking King’s Cross section with Harry and Dumbledore in the afterlife. Also, the battle scene’s are too fucking short and we get no sense of time passage. While Harry and Co. are fucking about, are we to assume that people are throwing spells at each other in the courtyard for however long it takes them to search for the Horcrux’s? Now, I’ve read a lot of complaints about how the deaths of certain characters were handled, that they rushed through them and didn’t properly give any of the characters their due. I suspected that people were being stupid and just wanted every death to be dragged out for five minutes. But they were right. We see characters for maybe ten seconds before they get offed and I felt nothing for their deaths. I don’t care if we’ve seen these people in the others movies for however long, I needed to see them in action in THIS MOVIE so that their deaths would hurt. Ten seconds with Fred and George and then we see Fred lying on the ground. Five seconds of Lupin and Tonks and then their bodies are put on display. Lavender is killed and we only know of this because they show her body for one second and where was Shefali Chowdhury who played one of the Patil girls? Am I to assume her characters was killed because we saw the other Patil girl was using a blanket to cover a body that we never see? I know I’ll sound like a HUGE fucking geek but Transformers The Movie showed how you kill off secondary characters. At the beginning of the movie, Autobot’s are getting wasted left and right and you feels those deaths because you know the characters, you recognize them and although most of them didn’t get a word in, you still felt for their deaths because that movie took the, however little, time needed for you to know who those characters were. But we don’t get that sort of emotional payoff in Deathly Hallows because Yates cuts everything too fucking short. You know, when you split a movie in two, why not let the thing FUCKING BREATH since people are more then willing to sit if the story is good enough?!? I mean, the guy let Deathly Hallows Part 1 fucking drag on and on. It also doesn’t help that the staging and blocking of most of the scenes is fucking horrendous and soo awkwardly cut that I sat there with my jaw open at how fucking inept this movie was. The score did the movie no favors at it was entirely forgettable and I can’t tell you how fucking annoying it was every time the sound and music dropped out. Long scene’s and moments of nothing but awkward silence does NOT make for compelling drama. The worst part of the entire thing was the final battle between Harry and Voldemort. It has the distinction of being dragged out for far too long and at the same time also throwing away Voldemorts death by underplaying it to such a fucking extent that I could not fucking care less. And what the FUCK were they thinking with that goddamn particle effect that they used for not only his death but also Bellatrix’s as well as Nagini’s. Another thing, apart from the bridge, everything that Neville Longbottom did should have been given to Ron Weasly as it would have given him something to do other than stand around and look like a fucking twat. Everything should have came to a crescendo in the courtyard and HOLY FUCKING SHIT did Voldemort come off like fucking Dr. Evil in those last scene’s proving the idiom that a villain should keep his fucking mouth shut. He didn’t come off half as threatening as he did in any of the previous movies. Like Freddy Kruger, the more he opened his fucking trap, the less effective he was and it didn’t help that Ralph Fiennes played it almost for camp when he should have came off as intense and menacing. That’s all I’ve got for now. I’m soo mentally exauhsted over how much build up there was for this movie, only to get the spiky dildo up the ass at the end. A fucking wretched ending to what could have been an iconic achievement.

  • July 15, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    David Yates sucks.

    by daggor

    He sucks the life out of these characters and situations. The battle at Hogwarts should have seen all of it's inhabitants in full play. Where were the ghosts? We get magic bursts slowly trailing, long shots of the statues so the morons in the 3D glasses can get a cheap thrill (at inflated prices). Way too much time spent on junk floating in the air, when these precious seconds could have gone toward characters we love. The film was flat, deflated by the lack of tension. Maggie Smith doesn't say a word before attacking Snape. This should be her shining moment. We need some time to see Hogwarts under Snape's rule. Very frustrating. Not bad altogether, but still not as good as it could have been. Azkaban is indeed the best film of the series. Even sound effects established in Azkaban are missing. Everything under Yates has been very pedestrian for what should have been a dynamic set of films, given the source material and love for these characters.

  • As zombot says it's all a bit too similar to the Harry Potter jr character from that film.....which Rowling says she saw (or at least might have seen).

  • July 15, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    Ron's brother after the battle is pooly shot.

    by D.Vader

    No kidding mgthedj! There were like 8 characters onscreen (in a dark room), I couldn't tell where I was supposed to be looking. I ended up fixing upon the dad instead, but that sequence was lacking, so many similarly looking characters standing around in the dark.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    These films and books are just rip offs of better fantasy.


    As well as being Mary Poppins with better effects Rowling's quite fond of pinching ideas from much better writers and myths. Look at Dumbledork or whatever his fuckin name is. A poor rip off of Merlin and Gandalf.

  • At least when you watch that you're not trying to pretend it's anything other than a kids movie. I bet people will remember Mary Poppins long after little Hawwy Potter's disappeared up his own arse (preferably taking JK Rowling with him as well).

  • July 15, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST

    henrydalton----They did make HP 3D glasses

    by thelordofhell

    They gave them away at certain screenings

  • July 15, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Not sure about his comment on Ron and Hermione

    by Randxts

    After seven books, Ron and Hermione were pretty much grown by the point the events in film happen. If I remember correctly from the books, Ron had only one more moment of growth (Don't know yet if it is in the film or not, though I doubt it since it concerned his and Hermione's stances on house elves). Why would they need to grow more at this point? Seems like a pretty ticky-tack complaint to me.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    I'll take this with a pinch of salt


    After sittin through the shit that was Transformers 3 based solely on a number of positive reviews from AICN I will never trust a review from here again. Ever.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    98% at Rotten Tomatoes...Fuck off, Capone.

    by Atticus Finch

    Suck it.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Oh Lord, Harry cried during the dragon scene of this movie

    by D.Vader

    Jesus Christ.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Intelligent response, Atticus Finch

    by D.Vader

    Totally befitting of your screenname. Maybe if Capone had completely panned the movie, called it terrible and amateurish, then maybe your cliched fallback upon Rotten Tomatoes would make an impact here. But as it stands, you're screaming at someone who says he was disappointed in the movie, but certainly didn't give it a thumbs down.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I'm convinced a lot of these critics are getting backhanders.


    There's some stupid cunt in todays Daily Express raving about this film. Same silly fucker of a critic who's trashed other much better films.

  • July 15, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    So was that Catwoman in the trailer or not?

    by notcher

    I haven't seen it yet. Anyone care to share?

  • July 15, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST

    I've enjoyed every Harry Potter film

    by FluffyUnbound

    In fact, I even love Chamber of Secrets. But you know what? The action scenes have always sucked, across all the directors. OOTP is the worst in terms of the falloff from the book's action to the movie's action, but ALL of the films suffer from this to some extent. They're good films despite this failing. But let's not pretend that the Rottentomatoes score means that there's NO WAY POSSIBLE that the Battle of Hogwarts can be a letdown. Every other major action scene in the series has been a letdown (with the possible exception of the very first broom scenes in Sorceror's Stone), so it's very, VERY possible.

  • July 15, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Not only possible, FluffyUnbound

    by D.Vader

    It happened! And thank you for bringing some sense to all these Tomato-tons.

  • July 15, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST


    by Billy_Batson

    Capone- you're a seasoned critic. You know the pros and cons of 3D. You know that films like UP and AVATAR take full advantage of the technology, while most others do not. You knew this was going to be a dark film, and you know dark films never translate well into 3D. So why even bother?

  • July 15, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Azkerban is definetly the best

    by drunkenmonkey73

    It's a complete movie where as half blood prince and deathly hallows have a few good moments. Azkerban was darker film told through story telling not cheap lighting effects. Poor choice of director couldn't believe they stuck with him for so long. Let's not forget Chris Columbus he started this whole thing bringing in a great cast paving the way for everyone else

  • July 15, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    Am I going blind or did Nordling's review disappear?

  • July 15, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    I liked his review better because it actually existed.

  • July 15, 2011, 6 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    Suddenly it's on the front page again, and now Harry has a review as well. Strange things are afoot.

  • July 15, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    blah blah blah

    by Paul Paradis

    Post production 3D always looks like garbage. Skip the 3D version altogether. It's a crap fad that should be allowed to wither and die. Good movie. It could have been better, but it's still 100 times better than sitting through the steaming piles of shit that was Transformers and Green Lantern.

  • July 15, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST

    RE: D's "true interest in Harry"? (SPOILER!)

    by Dreamwriter

    No, nothing at all regarding his sexual orientation - that entire part of the story that hinted at it was nixed, in fact all of Dumbledore's backstory was cut except for a couple very small mentions of events. SPOILER AHEAD! The "true interest in Harry" that Capone is talking about is Dumbledore was only interested in protecting Harry long enough so Harry could be killed at exactly the right time. He wasn't doing it as a nice guy, or to protect the son of one of his favorite students, or even just to protect The Boy Who Lived. Dumbledore wanted Harry to live so he could be a weapon by dying.

  • July 15, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Voldemort's Demise

    by beeman31

    Since people seem confused about how Voldemort dies, I think I can clarify it. Harry kills Voldemort the same way he did when he was a baby. It's not the expelliarmus that kills him. It's Harry reflecting Avada Kedavra back to Voldemort. Why do you think Voldemort is working so hard when the spells are connected, rather than ending the link? He loses focus, he dies.

  • July 15, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter = worst main character name ever created.

    by MajorFrontbum

    This poor man's LOTR, is overindulgent, redundant and clichéd drivel. Not to mention laborious to have to sit through and watch. Thank fuck this shit is over.

  • July 15, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST


    by josh carpenter

    Never commented here before, but the absolute hate of 3d in this review led me to. Now, I haven't seen a ton of movies is 3d but I thought it rocked, enough for me to say to a fellow movie goer that I didn't think I'd even want to see it again if it wasn't 3d. Yeah it was dark, but so were the events in the book, both metaphorically and literally. I think in this case the tech enhanced the mood and immersiveness of the story.

  • July 15, 2011, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Well they should have filmed in Chicago apparently..

    by OnO

    Larry Guido and the Magical Disappearing Witnesses.... now we're talking.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST


    by LordEnigma

    if you think Azkaban is better. You are an asshole. Sorry but this is the best of the best of a triumphant series and that you are still holding onto Azkaban when it doesn't even touch this film, just makes you another large white guy who has shitty taste in movies!

  • July 15, 2011, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Yeah LOTR is a poor man's HARRY POTTER!

    by LordEnigma

    If any of you think LOTR has any of the staying power of Harry Potter. You really are deluding yourselves.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    Only an idiot would make an argument like that. See what I did there?

  • July 15, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Just got back.

    by Atticus Finch

    Capone, you're a bigger tool than I thought. The film is magnificent, and you're review smacks of the fact you weren't given any "pwesents".

  • July 15, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST


    by jedimastercreech

    I love all the HP books and movies as well as the LOTR books and movies. With that said, HP is great entertainment. LOTR is timeless and a literary masterpiece. The fact that it hailed as the greatest book of the last century adds to the weight of this claim. Not to mention the academy awards it has earned. Dont get me wrong, HP is entertaining to a point... LOTR is a completely different quality.

  • July 15, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Just watched it.

    by SwedishChef

    Liked it but didn't love it. It just seemed to miss a lot of emotional beats. Characters died off screen in moments that could have and should have been poignant. Snape's entire backstory is essentially told in flashback. Dumbledore turned out to be somewhat of a jerk and Potter had no real emotional reaction to finding out that he viewed as nothing more than a tool to defeat Voldemort. I don't know..I need the film to percolate a bit. It just didn't have the emotional resonance I was hoping for. For a book that was split into two films, this final part just wasn't given much time to breathe. I'll stop my rambling now.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:14 p.m. CST

    There was more kick in the book

    by CherryValance

    The book read like the end of Star Wars (A New Hope) with all the running and jumping and shooting behind yourself. That sense of momentum was missing and that's all on the filmmakers. But even still I highly recommend it to everyone. I saw it in 2D and the fact is, they made it bleak. It was probably a choice to set a mood that might have been lost by breaking the movie in two. (spoilers) I know when I read about the battle at Hogwarts I imagined a bright Hogwarts being all decimated into rubble. But in the film, it looked like crap before Voldemort even got there. I did miss Trelawney (Thompson) and they had to fudge a few things. Snape and Voldemort were gypped in previous installments. Especially Snape, so I really saw the shoehorning with him. Some of the Snape/Lilly relationship was revealed in other installments of the books and the relationship with Harry and Snape that built over the Occlumency lessons, that were skimmed over in the movies, never happened. So Harry running over to help Snape in the film may even seem strange since they really were nothing more than student and hated/treacherous teacher. Their connection was kinda lost until the pensieve scene in this film. I mean a lot was missing but I was happy with what I got because previous installments had made me expecting a 2 minute battle montage with a 45 minute scene with a blue ghostie Dobby. Yates had different priorities in telling the story than most book fans probably would have.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Atticus Finch

    by D.Vader

    Based on your last comment, I really question your reading comprehension and critical thinking.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    by tehdeej

    not my daughter you bitch was the biggest f'ing fumble I've ever seen.

  • July 16, 2011, midnight CST

    i feel bad for all you haters..

    by kev8791

    god forbid you just enjoy a flick for what it is. but no, just shit on it cuz its not a complete mirror of the the book..i mean many movies stay so true to every written word from the book. i would hate to be you trolls, i cant imagine spending spending soo much of my time watching so many of these movies just to hop on a talkback and bitch about whats wrong with them and nit pick every little thing.blah blah HP is stolen from troll. wtf?!?!... blah blah mrs weaslys fight shoulda been more epic..blah and im not talking about seeing a bad apple here and there and complaining about that, im talking about the ones that come on and piss over every movie that gets basically says about you that you spend all this time doing something and are ultimately unsatisfied with it..therefore you are literally just wasting your time. what a sad little existence.

  • July 16, 2011, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Yeah lordoflight it's just like Mary Poppins!

    by Orionsangels

    Especially the Wizards, Dragons and Giant Spiders!

  • People are trying to give these 2 films the gravitas and weight of Heston's 10 Commandments. HAHAHA! All I've ever seen,film after film, is a kid with astigmatism auto-winning by pointing his stick over and OVER AND OVER. The real magic is in wondering why the blatant overuse of Deus ex Machina "chosen one" BS hasn't been called out...sheesh.

  • July 16, 2011, 1:54 a.m. CST

    I'm confused

    by slatefish

    The final book was long, boorish, boring and lacked and exciting payoff. Why would anyone expect the two final movies (which should have been one based on the bloat of the last book) be any different? I really didn't like the last book. I really didn't like part one, with everyone faithfully wandering about the woods for a couple hours. I hated the fact that the battle was so wimpy and short and cheapened by the promise of so much more. I don't expect any more than I got from the book. Which isn't really much.

  • July 16, 2011, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Boober, "I did not have 2K pages of backstory"

    by Dreamwriter

    Wow, you must really not have paid attention if you couldn't understand the story in Deathly Hallows Pt 1 after having seen all other movies. There's only one single thing that they showed in that movie that wasn't explained in the previous movies, and that was the shard of mirror Harry is always looking in. Nothing else was dependent on any information from previous books that had been left out of the movies. And what were these strange movies that you saw that only involved Harry Potter casting spells, and no other characters or mystery solving, drama between students/teachers, or magical creatures? I guess that's why you couldn't understand Pt 1, because all your previous experience was with some bootleg Potter-based porn or something.

  • July 16, 2011, 3:33 a.m. CST


    by Mattman

    I've seen enough Greengrass to know he's a fucking twat. United 93 sealed the deal, with its pro-american, anti-anyone else bullshit. Soiling the name of an innocent dead man because he isn't american is inex-fucking-scusable. Greengrass should never be allowed to work again. I hate that piece of shit. And yes, I do believe he's equal to Michael Bay, if not worse. At least Michael Bay doesn't pretend to be profound.

  • July 16, 2011, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Cuaron is a genius director, leaving the best of his contemporary

    by Dennis_Moore

    peers, however masterful they may be, in the dust. Anyone who thinks otherwise knows shit about film.

  • July 16, 2011, 5:09 a.m. CST

    How do you feel...

    by midgarddragon

    How do you feel about the fact that everyone on this site, including your fellow reviewers, are laughing at you? I feel like you tried to predict a backlash and wanted to be in on it, and it backfired magnificently in your face like an elder wand ill-gained.

  • ...liked Speed Racer but disliked Inception.

  • July 16, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    I honestly don't get some of the criticisms

    by Peter David

    Example, Snape’s back story was something that should have been taken slow. Instead it’s done at a lightening pace and we never get a fucking sense that Snape loved Lily.

  • July 16, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Wow. That was weird.

    by Peter David

    Example, Snape’s back story was something that should have been taken slow. Instead it’s done at a lightening pace and we never get a fucking sense that Snape loved Lily.

  • Let's see if this works.

  • July 16, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST


    by Peter David

    Okay, let's try that for a third goddamn time. I just don't get the criticisms that are being leveled at this film. For instance: the assertion that "we never get a fucking sense that Snape loved Lily." I saw the film with my eight year old daughter (who, it should be noted, has no interested in seeing "Winnie the Pooh.") During info dumps I would check with her to make sure she followed what was going on. When Harry was viewing the backstory, I whispered to her, "Do you know what's going on?" And she said, "Snape was in love with Harry's mommy!" And that was before Rickman actually appeared in the flashback; she got it off the actors playing the younger versions of them. I don't know who the "we" in "we never get a fucking sense" is supposed to be, but this was literally so simple that a child understood it. And if Snape's grieving over the corpse of Lily while the infant Harry sobbed left any doubt in a viewer's mind, then the viewer is either clueless or heartless. That moment was, as far as I'm concerned, THE emotional high point of the entire film series. Rickman should be up for Best Supporting Actor for that scene alone. Badly edited? Hard to follow? Have you guys SEEN "Quantum of Solace?" THAT was badly edited and hard to follow. I got a headache from trying to keep up with that movie. This was a cakewalk. I find it hard to believe we all saw the same movie. PAD

  • July 16, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    The movie didn't make much sense to me.

    by Omis

    Maybe it's because I never read the books, but shouldn't Voldemort have control of the Elder wand? Since he did defeat Harry in the Woods, doesn't that make him the master of the wand? I also don't get why Voldemort had to be the one who killed Harry. If he had the resurrection stone, he could have just let Ron do it and he wouldn't have had to leave the safety of Hogwarts. If Voldemort had sent someone else to check on Harry, he would be dead....again. To me it just seems like the whole story was building up to Harry sacrificing his life to stop evil, but Rowlings pussed out at the end, and wrote "they lived happily ever after" ending. The most puzzling thing to me is the shot at the end of Draco sending his kid off to Hogwarts with a smile on his face like nothing ever happened. If he tried to redeem himself, I could understand, but he kind of just ran away when his side lost. I'm surprised Hogwarts let anyone in his family back in the school, after they were instrumental in destroying it.

  • July 16, 2011, 10:20 a.m. CST

    My review of Capone's Review...

    by DS

    fuck you. Oh, and I sure as hell could see everything clearly in 3D at my local theater. Learn to see, or find a better fucking theater.

  • July 16, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    All these movies have been underwhelming...

    by adml_shake

    It seems like they took out certain plot lines from the book and then replaced them with something else. I've yet to see one of these movies that I actually walked out of the theater liking. My hope is that sometime in the future we get some CGI versions of them when the technology gets a bit more refined.

  • July 16, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Shake, stop crying.

    by LordEnigma

    These movies are all magic. They are magic on a screening. Ignoring that for your little book obsessive view of the world, is why book obsessives like you just keep Luciusing everything.

  • July 16, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Omis, some answers from the book (spoilers obviously)

    by Dreamwriter

    Some of this is kinda sketchy, but still better explained in the books than the movies: The logic of the wand is, in the woods Harry wasn't defeated - he came there to willingly sacrifice his life. Dumbledore in fact tried to destroy the wand's power by sacrificing his own life to Snape - he thought if he did so, the wand would have no master any more, but that plan failed because Draco defeated him first. The reason Voldemort had to be the one to kill Harry, is the Avada Kevadra curse won't work against your own blood. The combination of a piece of Voldemort's soul in Harry plus the fact that Voldemort had Harry's blood running in him (he used Harry's blood to come back to life) made the curse not work completely; it only killed the piece of Voldemort's soul in Harry.

  • July 16, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Don't trust anyone who doesn't like Harry Potter

    by Mike

  • July 16, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST

    And after reading your comments vader

    by Atticus Finch

    I have to wonder how it is that you consider yourself a "storyteller".

  • July 16, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Strongly disagree

    by Paul B

    Firstly, the fact that they had to load this movie up with a shit-ton of plot was an issue witht he 6th movie NOT this one. All of the plot exposition should have been handled in the 6th movie, which was terribly paced and left FAR too much to be covered in this film. I don't think it's fair to blame this film for the 6th's short comings. Secondly, this is Harry and Voldy's chapter. This isn't Ron and Hermione's chapter. This isn't the chapter of the great actors they got to take bit roles in the books. If you're looking for Ron and Hermione to have more growth, wtch 7.1. These arguments show a distinct lacking in understanding about what the purpose of this last film is. Thirdly, the 3D totally works for this film. The fight scenes are stunning becasue of the contrast between the dark tones of the film and the brilliant lights of the effects. It worked for me way more than Green Lantern or Thor. This is the best of teh series because it's the only one that actually accomplishes what it need to do. The pace was frenetic becasue the characters are desperate. I 1 Zillion percent understand why someone who hasn't read the books takes issues with some of the plot feeling smooshed in. Because it was. But to put this movie in the middle of the pack because 5 and 6 were poorly paced and left far too much out does not do justice to everything this movie actually does have and accomplishes.

  • July 16, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Oh, and #3 is the 2nd best film...

    by Paul B

    ...I've read the books and know HP fans that complain about #3. It's a great movie. Sure some of the little side/atmosphere stuff is made up. But it works in setting the TONE of the magical world, something that 1, 2, 4, and 5 completely fail to do.

  • July 16, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Prisoners of sleepy time.

    by crimsoncinder

    I stopped watching these movies after the prisoners. Talk about a boring cluster of a movie. I couldn't wait for it to be done and because of that, I rented Goblet of fire from my library and couldn't muster to even put it in my drive. But then again I can't watch any of the CS Lewis movies because I'm comparing everything to the level of Lord of the Rings.

  • July 16, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Dennis Moore...

    by crimsoncinder

    Cuaron? Masterful director? He's directed 15 movies, 14 of them piles of shit. See how opinions go? Now I think your the person that knows shit about movies. :-)

  • July 16, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Lord Denigma...

    by crimsoncinder

    Your comments hold true only with children who suffer from ADD.

  • July 16, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by Paul B

    So why are you even commenting on a HP thread? You have nothing even halfway intelligent or contructive to offer. It's not your thing and that's cool. But there's no need to waste this space with your thoughts.

  • July 16, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    The whole point of a review...

    by crimsoncinder

    Is to cap it off so if some bloke picks it up and reads it, he can get an idea if he should see it or not. The statement alone "There's no real need to recap the plot of THE DEATHLY HALLOWS, PART 2" tells me nothing.

  • July 16, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    But you don't care!

    by Paul B

    Why would you even click on a link to a review for a movie in a seriese that you coulnd't give 2 shits about? It's a startling waste of time and lacks any sort of logical reasoning.

  • July 16, 2011, 11:39 p.m. CST


    by sambafreak13

    It's Batman in the trailer, looking beaten and frightened.

  • July 17, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    The Best Film in the Series, Without Question, is...

    by Peter David

    ...The Wrath of Khan. Wait...what were we talking about again? PAD

  • July 17, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I never read the books or have seen the movies.

    by v3d

    I'm probably in the minority here. My biggest problem is not just with Harry Potter but the magic/fantasy genre. For me, magic is bullshit. Never did happen. Can't happen. Never will happen. So since waving sticks around and spouting off Latin to make stuff happen is so ridiculous, I could never care about any of the characters or their adventures. Like I said, I'm clearly in the minority here and Potter has generated billions of dollars in profit. So that would make me wrong. But it just doesn't work for me.

  • July 17, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST

    v3d, I feel the same exact way about "ghost" movies.

    by DonkeyBalls

  • July 18, 2011, 12:22 a.m. CST

    i didnt know cobra kai's dojo was a bathhouse

    by Orion

    Cause superman returns was all kinds of gay.

  • July 18, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    I agree with Capone

    by HarrysNemesis

    I'd even say this is one of my least favorite Potters. Why? For one thing, it felt the least of all of them like a trio working together and more like just a harry story. Spot on there was no development for Hermione or Ron - they were casual participants in this one really. The whole final battle was somewhat anticlimactic feeling. Afterward's you are just like 'is that it??? series over???' The epilogue, while probably endearing to a lot of fans, was so cliched and trite. Not a Potter fan or a fanboy, just someone who likes the movies. I also would've rather Harry ended up with Cho and some eurasian babies :)

  • Just sayin' Hallows didn't need 2 parts IMHO either.Could have cut some of Hallows 1 and put all of Hallows 2 for a 3 hour Hallows.Maybe that would have changed the underwelming finale feeling I had with the Potter finale as opposed to Return of The King.

  • July 28, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Lack of character development?

    by the_box_drone

    I don't think so. You just have to look at the film as a whole (parts 1 & 2) when considering that sort of thing. It's not a complete story on its own, after all.