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AICN COMICS REVIEWS: CAPTAIN AMERICA! FLASHPOINT! JUGHEAD! CONTINUUM! TRAILBLAZER! RED SKULL! & MORE!

Published at: July 13, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST

Issue #11 Release Date: 7/6/11 Vol.#10

The Pull List
(Click title to go directly to the review)
Advance Review: CAPTAIN AMERICA #1
FLASHPOINT #3
ELDRITCH! #1
FEAR ITSELF #4
TRAILBLAZER Vol.1
FLASHPOINT: BATMAN KNIGHT OF VENGEANCE #2
CONTINUUM #1
RED SKULL: INCARNATE #1
SECRET SIX #35
JUGHEAD #208
FLASHPOINT: ABIN SUR THE GREEN LANTERN # 2
VENGEANCE #1
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Advance Review: In stores today!

CAPTAIN AMERICA #1

Writer: Ed Brubaker
Art: Steve McNiven (pencils), Mark Morales (inks)
Marvel Comics
Reviewed by Johnny Destructo


There are just so many reasons I don't have a long-running history with Captain America and why I have always had trouble getting into him as a character. For starters, his name is CAPTAIN AMERICA. It just sounds ridiculous. He has a giant Arial "A", in BOLD, on his forehead. He dresses in a giant flag. He has pirate booties, and wings on his god-damned head. Think about it. If good ole Joe Simon and Jack Kirby didn't come up with him waaay back in 1941, and someone introduced this character for the first time, today....we would all laugh and assume it was either a prank or something created by Rob Liefeld. And if I had to conjure up a Captain America from the state of the country as it is today, Cap would be swathed in corporate logos, he'd be a good 267 lbs overweight, and would sling Happy Meal boxes instead of his iconic shield. Also..for someone who was created to fight the Nazi's, I've always found it interesting that Cap was, for all intents and purposes, a 6-and-a-half-foot member of the Aryan race.

That being said: this issue was fun! I would have preferred for Bucky to remain as Cap, but what the hey. The status needs to be quo'd all to hell, lest we see lasting change in the comic industry, and really...who besides me actually wants that? Also, let's be honest: Cap Movie. The boy scout who does everything right is back in the suit and it feels good. This issue reads like the best bits of the Bourne and Bond films all mixed into one. (Also, throw in the what we've seen of the upcoming film THE DEBT for good measure.) There's intrigue, mystery, action out the whazoo, and old timey spy shit! This is a great place to jump on, or to give to someone who is interested in the Cap movie. It's not bogged down in Marvel continuity, there's no mention of his death at the hands of Sharon...though you'd think there would be SOME tension there. Even Bucky is noticeably missing. This is a very clear attempt to cash in on the movie, and I think it works!

Also, let's not forget that this book is drawn by Steve Motherlovin' McNiven! This guy could draw my penis and somehow make it look impressive. He's clearly having some fun with his page layouts and his panel placement, and that fun comes across. I am a little surprised to see that even though he's given some thought to his panels, that he didn't do anything with his borders, design-wise, to distinguish the difference between the story that takes place "in the now" and the bits in the past. Just something I noticed, but nothing that detracts from his story-telling in the slightest. This book wouldn't look any better if Jesus himself came down and penciled it.

As far as I'm concerned, Steve Rogers is basically the writer's equivalent of Chicken. Chicken for dinner is ok, but really ...it's what it's cooked with that makes it so good. And these om noms are tasty!

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FLASHPOINT #3

Writer: Geoff Johns
Artist: Andy Kubert
Publisher: DC Comics
Reviewer: Optimous Douche


Now FLASHPOINT is hitting its speed-force powered stride. Up until now FLASHPOINT has been a smorgasbord of butterfly-effect goodness for long-time DC fans, but the story itself has been more splintered than Voldemort’s soul in a torrent of one-offs that were only held together by the war between the Atlanteans and the Amazonians. FLASHPOINT 3, though, establishes itself as the cohesive glue that binds the deluge of one-offs together. Exposition is a necessary evil and I feel it was handled well given the tsunami of change rained down on the DC universe. But it is so damn refreshing to finally see some deep micro-level character interaction to compliment the macro-level decimation. Up until now I would give CANTERBURY CRICKET the top marks for making me actually give a shit about the people instead of, say, the depth of the European continent. FLASHPOINT #3 makes you care and then some. Oh, and we finally learn where the hell Superman has been hiding this whole time.

Johns leverages his panache for solitary moments on every page of this book. I was one of the Barry naysayers upon his return to continuity at the end of FINAL CRISIS. While I had some fun with the interchange between Hal and Barry in FLASH REBIRTH, I shortly missed Wally and have had a very hard time getting past the fact Iris West seems to have become younger than her nephew. This issue, though, redeemed all misgivings I’ve ever had about Barry. Barry is more bad-ass than honey badger.

Each act of the book is a pleasure unto itself. The issue opens right where two left off: Barry was truly fried to a crisp after his attempt to reignite the speed-force. Going back to Johns’ gift for solitary panel splendor, the interchange between Barry and Dr. Wayne was top-notch when Barry makes Wayne carry him back to the top of Wayne manor for one more attempt at getting 1.21 jiggawatts into his bloodstream. Wayne scoffs with a hmmmm and Barry, still trying to make this world believe that this world is not the right one, pulls at Wayne’s heartstrings to say that he and his dead son had the same expressions of doubt. It’s truly a wonderful touch. Second time’s the charm and again Johns takes the moment for a harrowing rescue that made me sweat a little thanks to Kubert’s top-notch action pacing. The rest of the issue, as promised on the cover, delivers Wayne and Barry to New Metropolis in an attempt to find this mystical Superman being that Barry keeps mentioning. Cyborg is used amazingly well in this issue. Being the government’s go-to superhero, Wayne agrees to join in the fight against the Atlanteans and the Amazonians (the offer he scoffed at in issue one) in exchange for Cyborg getting them into the Project Superman bunker.

What happens in the bunker is pure comic gold. I defy any long-time DC fan that isn’t a sociopath to not get welled up when Batman, Flash and Cyborg get a peek into Project 2. I also commend Johns and Kubert for their treatment of Kal-El; this is a Superman we have never seen before – so much less than Super and more akin to a veal.

FLASHPOINT continues to capture my imagination and DC has been pulling off this event exceptionally well. If you want to simply traverse the surface, FLASHPOINT proper is a wonderfully tight narrative that truly requires no other investment than just that book. The side stories, while at times thin, are also wonderfully imaginative and can be digested a la carte as readers see fit. This is the true meaning of supplemental – they enhance without belaboring the main story or being a requirement to understand what the hell is going on.

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ELDRITCH! #1

Writer: Aaron Alexovich
Artist: Drew Rausch
Publisher: ComiXology
Reviewer: Lyzard


Back in April 2010, ELDRITCH! won DC’s Zuma competition, a monthly contest for webcomics. Having not seen the previews for the competing comics. I cannot say whether I think ELDRITCH! deserves to win. But I have a hard time believing that it was the best option, though maybe the most popular.

Anya Sobczek notices something odd with her brother Owen, which it has to be quite odd to disturb the tattooed, wild Anya. After chopping at his arm doing a magic trick, a black ooze comes out and tries to kill his sister. Though the police don’t believe anything is up, Anya knows that there is something otherworldly (hence the title Eldritch) going on here.

ELDRITCH! tries to be controlled chaos, but sometimes lets things get out of hand. The dialogue is overbearing, just too much at once. But the art, though black and white, jumps off the page. It supports the craziness of the story in a coherent way, not being too outlandish but being creative and original enough like the comic itself. Though the little details in the artwork make it work, the story needed to be more straightforward and broad in its writing. Given all that, if you love Lovecraft, the images and coherent parts of the storyline may be enough to pull you in.

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FEAR ITSELF #4

Writer: Matt Fraction
Artist: Stuart Immonen
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Reviewer: KletusCasady


It pains me to say this (well, not that much) but I’m completely bored with FEAR ITSELF. I’m a big fan of Matt Fraction’s other books, i.e. INVICIBLE IRON MAN, THE MIGHTY THOR, CASANOVA…but this series isn’t doing it for me. The problem I have with this book is there’s no sense of dread, no real feeling that the heroes are completely outmatched. This series to me has been a paint-by numbers event. An unknown force rises, wreaks havoc, heroes seem outmatched, big fight, hero dies (or is resurrected or both), last ditch effort, heroes win...the end.

I know a lot of events follow this sequence of events but there’s usually something there to keep me invested in these stories--but not this time. FLASHPOINT to me is a better event. Why, you ask? Well in FLASHPOINT, the bad guy has already won and changed the world as we know it, leaving a depowered hero to try to change everything back. I at least have to ask myself: how’s he gonna beat that? He can’t just beat up the bad guy and win, which is very likely going to happen in FEAR ITSELF. The FLASHPOINT world is darker and because of such, has resulted in some tragic stories. Now I’m not going to say the FLASHPOINT series is the best DC event ever (especially since each issue is a super slow baby step to the next) but at least it’s produced some pretty good side stories and I actually am at a loss as to how Barry, the most boring man alive, is going to fix this (if at all, seeing as the reboot is right around the corner).

I’m sorry to say but FLASHPOINT > FEAR ITSELF. Let’s discuss.

Last issue had NO emotional impact on me at all and I’ve been following CAPTAIN AMERICA since Brubaker’s run started. Nick Fury says it best in this issue: “You deserved better, kid.” You’re damn right he did. These deaths happen so often in these events that I know, at least half way through any big Marvel event, someone is going to die, but why? Is it absolutely necessary (and essential) to this story that a hero die? I mean, I know the reasoning behind it is to show that this is a “real threat”, but is that the only way to display this? At this point most hero deaths are a gimmick to gain attention or an editorial mandate to get things moving in a particular direction and that stinks (I wonder what reason they would have to kill off Bucky Cap, only to replace him with OG Cap? July 22nd maybe?) I can’t just blame Fraction because I’m sure there’s more than one hand stirring the FEAR ITSELF pot but they have to realize that readers see these trends and they become desensitized.

If you don’t know the story the brief version of it is that an evil ancient Asgardian deity was released by Sin (Red Skull’s daughter) and with that released nine hammers that have fallen randomly on earth. Each one can only be lifted by the worthy BUT when they are lifted each one of the worthy turn evil and only serve the one called the Serpent, whose wish is to spread fear on Earth, something like that. My major beef is that there’s not much here to keep me invested and none of the tie-ins I’ve read seem that inspired or interesting. The FLASHPOINT tie-ins at least seem like the writers had interesting ideas for exploring these characters living in a radically different world and at the same time showing us how and why the original characters vary from their FLASHPOINT counterparts. I feel like CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS had a great sense of dread; people were dying everywhere and the heroes still on earth had to overcome the fear that ‘this may be the end’ to help people, even though the world could come to an end any second. FEAR ITSELF is going to be over and besides the seemingly editorial-driven status quo changes, things in the Marvel U will be surprisingly the same after this event is over.

On a positive note, the art is great and Stuart Immonen has upped his game and the series looks awesome, no complaints there. This is the best artwork I’ve seen from him…really really good art.

I guess why I’m so bummed about this comic is I think Matt Fraction is a really great writer and I expected some great things from this series and I was particularly happy to see someone other than Bendis handling the big event duties. My problems with this series are: A. It’s too formulaic. B. Cool idea, not that exciting of an execution and there’s nothing here that makes me feel like I HAVE to read the next issue. C. No sense of dread amongst the heroes or ‘civilians’ D. The tie-ins aren’t there to enhance the world this series has created, they are there (in my opinion) to make sales. Say what you will about the million FLASHPOINT tie-ins but at least there’s something interesting about each one of them and they work seamlessly in tandem with the main event (much like the SIEGE tie-ins) and I think reading them without reading the main series makes no difference to the quality of those tie-ins.

I really hate being negative in a review but I think events in general deserve more scrutiny than a monthly book because of the gigantic amount of hype that’s behind them. This is the first Marvel ‘event’ over the past five or so years that I have stopped buying midway through; I just can’t afford to buy shit that I’m not really happy with.


TRAILBLAZEER V.1

Writers: Jimmy Palmiotti & Justin Gray
Art: Jim Daly
Publisher: Image Comics
Reviewer: Ambush Bug


A Western comic written by the folks who bring me JONAH HEX every month? Sign me up! I’ve come to trust the writers of this book; Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray. Every book I’ve read from them is filled with character and action and TRAILBLAZER fits that bill as well. Though it’s not your typical Western, it possesses all of the elements; a hired gun on the run out for vengeance with a group of bad men on his tail. It just so happens that this is a time travel story as well.

TRAILBLAZER is part TIME COP, part TOMBSTONE and all good. It’s not one of those time travel stories full of complexities and reality pretzels. The premise is simple enough that it doesn’t require a lot of thought. This isn’t one of those heady time travel stories. The focus here is on action. Time travel is just the backdrop, which is a refreshing take on the genre.

Jacob is forced to go into witness protection after a gun for hire job goes bad. The only person he cares about, a nun who brought him up, is gunned down by hitmen. Forced to turn states evidence, Jacob fingers a mob boss and it put into witness protection. But in this story, witness protection is not set in another place, but another time. Jacob is sent back to the Old West and soon becomes accustomed to the surroundings, ironically becoming a sheriff. But back in the present, the mob boss uncovers Jacob’s wherabouts and comes looking for him with 21 Century weapons. A security team bent on cleansing all compromised time-shifted tech and folks arrive in the Old West town, all hell breaks loose. The mob, the government secutrity, and Jacob all converge in a shootout in the Old West. And it’s just plain fun to see play out.

Master craftsmen Palmiotti and Gray are known for their high on concept and action storytelling. Here the sci fi is slick and quick, while the Western setting is fully realized as well. It’s a complete genre mishmash flawlessly constructed. Jim Daly supplies the art that is reminiscent of the classic style we’ve come to expect from P&G’s JONAH HEX series. Daly doesn’t go for showy panels. He knows story is king in this one and capably lays the foundation for it to unfold. This is an all around fun comic; a one shot Western with a twist. It’s the kind of thing you should see more of in comics, but don’t.

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FLASHPOINT: BATMAN KNIGHT OF VENGEANCE #2

Writer: Brian Azzarello
Art: Eduardo Risso
Publisher: DC Comics
Reviewer: The Writing Rambler


As we reach what’s around the halfway mark of FLASHPOINT I’m realizing more and more just how much I’m enjoying this “event” and most of its tie ins. This week we’re given what is becoming arguably the most talked about moment of the whole storyline so far. Funny enough it doesn’t happen in the main FLASHOINT story, but instead, within the pages of the second installment of BATMAN KNIGHT OF VENGEANCE. This book is dark, gritty and contains a memorable twist that will keep the comic world talking for some time(I contemplated whether or not I would share spoilers for this as it’s such a great story/twist, but there really is no way to not talk about it, so be warned).

Brian Azzarello does an excellent job continuing the story of Thomas Wayne’s Batman and the darker more violent version of the caped crusader that he represents. In only two issues (five if you count the main FLASHPOINT books which feature Batman as well) you really get to see the kind of Batman that Thomas is and subsequently why Bruce is so unique a character in the “normal”, non-FLASHPOINT world. You get into the psyche of how this isn’t someone who grew up training to bring evil to justice but instead how this world’s Batman, at his core, is simply a parent angrily out to avenge the murder of his child.

The story itself shines in that it doesn’t try to be overly complex (AGAIN, Some big spoilers lie ahead so be forewarned). This world’s Joker has kidnapped Harvey Dent’s children while Batman and Jim Gordon are frantically trying to find them before it’s too late. Its classic Batman vs. Joker and it’s done very well. The story is dark and we get one of the more menacing versions of Joker we’ve seen in a while. The scenes that play out between Joker and Dent’s children are especially creepy and it makes you realize early on that this can’t end well. With that said, it doesn’t. In a span of the last few pages you have Joker tricking Chief Gordon into shooting Dent’s daughter while his son is forced to watch and then Joker slicing Gordon’s throat while Dent’s young son yet again watches horrified. I honestly was floored at this point seeing how much had just happened, which is exactly when the book hits you with its strongest sucker punch. While you’re still trying to digest what just happened to Chief Gordon and Dent’s daughter, you flip to the last page where it’s revealed that Batman indeed already knows Joker’s true identity and it is none other than his wife, Martha Wayne. In a way, as twisted as she is, this Joker has the most grounded origin as the murder of one’s child could clearly drive someone mad. All in all, a great story with a great twist.

Though it’s hard to transition from that story twist to anything else, there have to be some words commending Eduardo Risso for his artwork. The art in the book is a perfect complement to Azzarello’s story. It’s dark and helps covey the brooding nature of the story being told. I especially love the use of shadows as they are almost a character on their own.

With one issue left of BATMAN KNIGHT OF VENGEANCE to go, I honestly have no idea where this story is headed after the events told here. There was a reveal earlier in the story that this world’s Oracle is Selina Kyle instead of Barbara Gordon so maybe we’ll get a little more explanation on that but I think it was more of a cameo to show how the FLASHPOINT world is different than anything else. I know many people are writing off the entire FLASHPOINT “event” as just another ELSEWORLDS story but I think that’s an unfair assessment. The events taking place in this story and other FLASHPOINT titles are leading to the entire re-launch of the DCU, so while more than likely these stories will no longer “exist” come September, they are still the events that will bring about that change (i.e. the horrors of this issue causing Batman to help Flash fix and reset the DCU in the main FLASHPOINT storyline). I for one am enjoying this series and think it’s great to watch a writer and artist tell a fantastic story when they have the freedom of creating their own continuity as they go. To put it simply, this is definitely worth your $2.99.

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CONTINUUM #1

Writer: Stephen Snyder & Sean O’Reilly
Illustrator: B.C. Hailes
Publisher: Arcana Studios
Reviewer: Mr. Pasty


Time travel is a messy business not only from a historical standpoint, but also when trying to assemble a coherent narrative while telling a time travel story. CONTINUUM, despite its sensitive subject matter and principal location, delivers the goods without insulting the reader (or their intelligence). In 2010, Israel’s Prime Minister is assassinated. They retaliate, a bunch of other countries get involved and the planet eventually turns into a game of SCORCHED EARTH. Humans survive, but the planet is slowly dying as a result of the fallout. A space race ensues and while scouting for other worlds that could potentially support life, a “singularity” is discovered. The powers that be decide to use this gate to go back in time and prevent the assassination, thus preventing World War Three.

The story kicks off as the special ops team from the year 2068, assigned to stop the assassination, arrives in the Middle East. Like every military unit in pop culture, they like to wave their guns around and bicker with one another. They reminded me of the squad from ALIENS and taking the place of Ripley is historian Davis Marcus, who has studied “The Longest Day” (as it’s referred to) and is intimately familiar with all the major players. They have two days to find the assassin and dispose of him, so it should be a piece of cake, right? Well, like Ludwig Beck said in VALKYRIE, “This is a military operation; nothing ever goes according to plan.” And that pretty much sums up what CONTINUUM is all about. A small team of soldiers (plus one bookworm) is on a suicide mission to stop nukes from dropping and killing the planet.

Co-written by Stephen Snyder & Sean O’Reilly, CONTINUUM does a nice job of getting the pacing right. While the story, at its most basic, has been done ad nauseam, Snyder and O’Reilly elevate the material by adding a few unsuspecting twists and turns to keep it fresh. At the same time, they don’t use them as a gimmick nor do they swerve too far from the narrative, saving the reader the anguish of trying to keep track of a half-dozen sub-plots. I particularly appreciated the end, more specifically the last panel, as it leaves you with several different interpretations. Someone accomplishes their mission, but I’m still not sure who. The fact that I’m still thinking about it is a good sign as I’ve read my share of similar stories whose message was expunged as soon as the back cover made contact with the coffee table. I also think it was smart to encapsulate the story.

Let’s face it, not only do you have to sidestep the paradoxes of time travel, but also the sensitivity landmines of the unrest in the Middle East. Jews, Muslims, politics and time travel – how Snyder and O’Reilly got in and out without stepping on a butterfly is beyond me, but they pulled it off. And the emotional brush by B.C. Hailes has a subtle but transforming effect on the narrative. I could have done without the character layouts in between chapters rather than as a gallery at the end (slows the pulse), but overall this was a well crafted, well executed book that should satisfy readers of multiple genres.

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RED SKULL: INCARNATE #1

Writer: Greg Pak
Art: Mirko Colak
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Reviewer: Ambush Bug


I broke my rule of not buying new miniseries this week for three reasons. One, the cover of this book by David Aja is absolutely iconic and gorgeously devilish. The simple image of the Red Skull grimacing over a scene of war is all forms of cool. Second, I read the simple word P-A-K on the cover and I’ve come to trust writer Greg Pak who churns out more hits than misses with HULK and HERCULES. Third and most importantly, I’d never seen the Red Skull in his own series; one that promises to tell his untold origin. As long as I remember, the Skull’s origins are hazy and I honestly don’t think I’ve read a story about his past. So with a cool cover, the promise of the Red Skull’s origin within its pages, and a trusted writer at the wheel, this comic ended up on my pile and turned out to be the first one I read this week.

Now, it’s kind of hard to sift through the crap when it comes to CAPTAIN AMERICA books these days. Taking full advantage of the upcoming movie, Marvel has unleashed a slew of Cap comics; most of them pretty lackluster and redundant. But this comic, focusing on Cap’s arch foe is the cream of the crop.

Pak plays with the readers sense of morality here, making us feel for a character we know will grow up to be a monster. He imbues Johann Schmidt with enough humanity here as a young boy for us to actually root for him to take a left instead of heading down that path we all know he’s destined to tread. He does this by giving the young Skull some noble qualities, you wouldn’t expect.

Plus Pak doesn’t play fair by putting a puppy into the mix. No fair, Pak, for using a puppy, damn you. Pulled me right into the story and soon I forgot that this was an origin story of one of the most notorious fictional Nazis ever to grace the printed page. All I cared was if this little kid would actually save his friend’s puppy. For that, Pak deserves special praise for manipulating me so.

The story takes a very dark turn toward the end, as Pak injects bits of the Weimar Revolution into the narrative and we’re reminded just who this book is about. Pak seems to have done his research, placing Schmidt’s story in the middle of the Nazi party in its infant stage. This eye for detail is not often seen in comics these days.

Newcomer artist (at least to me) Mirko Colak supplies some capable and crisp panels to this issue. His style reminds me of Mike McKone’s, focusing on differentiation of faces and expressions while conveying energy as well with the rest of the body.

This untold tale of the young Red Skull is just a fully enjoyable issue. It is relentless in that Pak doesn’t play it fair or nice. He knows this is the story of a villain and doesn’t pull an Anikin Skywalker by steering you otherwise. Here, we see the seeds of the evil that fills the Red Skull growing. The rest of INCARNATE is going to be a hell of a ride.


SECRET SIX #35

Writer: Gail Somone
Art: J. Califiore
Publisher: DC Comics
Reviewer: Henry Higgins is My Homeboy


Goddamn, I'm going to miss this lot!

Well, I am. A lot! It doesn't matter to me what writers they reveal in reports, or what interviews give about the upcoming reboot of DC. All that matters is SECRET SIX will not be among the surviving series. Yes, there is SUICIDE SQUAD, but look at that cover, and just try to convince yourself they're anything alike. The preview bothers me on a number of levels. And one of the biggest is that nothing DC produces can be anything near as entertaining as this series, or this issue.

Writing: (5/5) I do rather adore Gail Simone. This series has if nothing else been a brilliant showcase of her talents as a writer. The tense nature of Catman and Bane's conversation in the woods seems to come from a completely different series than King Shark's assault on the Penguin's fortress. I take back the things I said about him when he was introduced. Simone has committed to his lunacy, and it's lent itself to a very entertaining character. His one charge (despite being obviously meant as a suicide run) is so full of glee and excitement, it's impossible not to be pleased that he survives. And against that runs the rehabilitation of Knockout after her rescue from hell. It takes her most of the issue to remember anything past the hellish nature she was forced to deal with, but it's a heartwarming moment to see her truly remember Scandal. I'd rather have the development be built upon, but with the series’ looming end, it's quite excusable. On the contrary, Simone takes a number of running subplots and B story lines (Deadshot/Jeanette, the question of Catman's morality, Bane's current mindset), and at least begins to resolve them. While these beats would have undoubtedly been settled later and even better with more time, time is not something Simone has. But rather than ignore them, she sets about finishing them. The book flows quickly and with flourish (if a little too fast), never meeting a dull slide. The conclusion of the book (which includes maybe one of the most intimidating Penguins in recent memory, but still clearly a Simone-written one) elevates the story and pushes the team closer to its final conclusion.

The sad part is, the series doesn't have time to really explore Bane's plan. This is a Bane who has ceased any attempts to be "heroic" or even "honorable". His plan will deafeningly thrust the team into full out villainy, and quite anger one of the principal heroes of the DC universe. But it makes perfect sense, and if the series had time to build on this premise, I'd gladly read an event book about the war that breaks out between the two factions. That's really the only flaw with the issue; it leaves me wanting more. And really, that's not a flaw. Just a very big reason why this reboot is bothering me so much.

Art: (5/5) Really, there's only so many times I can call the art to something fantastic. And I've done enough SECRET SIX reviews (really, it was partly because this book always stood out to me the most every time I read it, and partly because I gave into my ego and hoped people might take up my suggestions and give the book a try--there aren't enough people reading this series, because not everyone is reading it) that you should know how much I love the art in this series. But, for nostalgia’s sake, let's go again. Framing is perfect, engaging without being confusing. The shadows and colors (save a few errors here and there) are magnificent; credit to Kalisz. The characters are as distinct and just cool as ever. Calafiore is one of my favorite artists working in comics today, and he's never steered me wrong. And this issue, between the action beats and smaller moments, just looks brilliant.

Best Moment: King Shark's song. Oh fuck, I haven't laughed that hard at a super hero comic in a while.

Worst Moment: Knowing there won't be a big event book about this story.

Overall: (5/5) I really love this book. If you don't, you're wrong. Not an opinion, just a brief statement of fact.


JUGHEAD #208

Writer: Craig Boldman
Artist: Rex Lindsey
Publisher: Archie Comics
Reviewer: Lyzard


Last we left Jughead he was without a home after a fight with his dad and ruining the Andrews’ house.

Now, the boys have heard that he is living with all girls and wants the dirty secrets. But it ain’t what they think. JUGHEAD #208 finds Jughead staying with his long time admirer, Ethel, along with her mother, grandmother, and niece. Though he has been hounded by Ethel for years, this setup isn’t that bad. All four women are wonderful cooks and bakers, filling Jughead with tremendous amounts of goodies. But Ethel is behaving odder…than usual. She continually is hiding objects from Jughead.

This may not be a good comic, when compared to what else is available, but it is a good JUGHEAD comic. It gets the characterizations right, features a few good twists and jokes along with some flops in both departments, and even throws a nice jab at Archie.

It does what has come to be expected from the series, nothing more and nothing less.


FLASHPOINT: ABIN SUR THE GREEN LANTERN # 2

Writer: Adam Schlagman
Art: Felipe Massafera, Robson Rocha and Joe Prado
Publisher: DC Comics
Reviewer: The Writing Rambler


So, I’ll just start out with some honesty here. I can’t fully review FLASHPOINT: ABIN SUR THE GREEN LANTERN # 2 without admitting that I am a little biased. See, the thing is, I love all things Sinestro. I love that despite all of his evil deeds I still want to root for him and still consider him the greatest of the Green Lanterns. So when I saw him on the cover of this issue looking like he’s preparing to put Abin Sur out of his misery (Old Yeller style), it was a no brainer that I was buying this. That said, I’ll do the best I can reviewing (WITH SPOILERS) the issue.

The book starts off much like the first issue did with a flashback scene, except instead of Abin as a child we now see him training Sinestro on Ungara “many years ago”. From there we’re rocketed forward to the well-known scene of Abin’s crashed ship being found by Hal Jordan, except in the FLASHPOINT universe Abin doesn’t die and pass the ring to Hal, but instead Cyborg, working on behalf of the U.S. Government shows up, shoos Hal away and takes Abin in for questioning/experimentation. As Abin heals, after some coaxing from Cyborg (who seems to be the FLASHPOINT world’s own mixture of Iron Man and Captain America), he joins what is apparently President Obama’s own superhero squad and flies off to check Europe for survivors of the Atlantean/Amazonian war that is taking place. While doing all this he is warned again by the Guardians that he is not following orders (given to him in the first issue) to retrieve the white entity from Earth before it is destroyed. They also warn him he’s dangerously close to having his ring stripped from him for disobedience, though he ignores them completely upon hearing this. This all leads up to Sinestro arriving to inform Abin that he knows what’s happening in this world (due to an imprisoned Atrocitus informing him…though how he knows is never explained) and is aware of the prior nonFLASHPOINT timeline. Abin doesn’t want to hear what Sinestro’s selling and a huge fight breaks out between the two ending in Sinestro amputating Abin’s ring slinging hand with one of his blade constructs.

One of the things that I don’t quite get about this book is why we’re being given so much backstory about Abin when it seems like he’s about to be murdered by Sinestro at the end of this issue. It feels like Adam Schlagman is trying to explain everything about Abin’s personality to new readers (I assume they were hoping maybe the GREEN LANTERN movie would have some new people picking up comics…though I highly doubt that is the case after seeing the GREEN LANTERN film) as quickly as possible while also trying to balance Sinestro’s role in what’s actually happening to the universe in the main FLASHPOINT storyline. With that in mind, the second thing I don’t get is why this book is even about Abin Sur. I mean, I like Abin and I’m pretty much fine with any GREEN LANTERN story personally, but it seems to me like the most important parts of these first two issues (here goes my bias in full swing) revolve around Sinestro gaining knowledge of the FLASHPOINT prophecy. I just think this book would serve a better purpose if it were more about Sinestro and the FLASHPOINT event as a whole (though, in the writer’s defense, I also think breakfast, lunch and dinner should involve more Sinestro as well, so what do I know).

As far as the artwork in the issue goes, it is drawn very well, though I think it does suffer a little from having three different artists handling the job. There are a few times that I turned the page and the artwork style completely changed, so much so that it took me out of the story. The other thing I have to mention is the Lantern’s costume designs as well as the design of the Guardians both clearly seem to be taken straight from the movie. I don’t have a problem with it; I just thought it was interesting that in the FLASHPOINT universe some designs follow the DC movie style exactly (side note: the FLASHPOINT Joker also suspiciously looks like Heath Ledger’s take from THE DARK KNIGHT).

Overall I still enjoyed the issue, but like I already said, it’s very hard for me to not like a GREEN LANTERN story that involves Sinestro. I’m looking forward to seeing how the final third issue of this pans out and if Sinestro actually has a bigger role to play in the FLASHPOINT finale as a whole. All in all it’s a good read but if you only have one or two DCU books you’re looking to pick up, you may want to skip this in lieu of the third issue of the main FLASHPOINT title or the fantastic FLASHPOINT: BATMAN KNIGHT OF VENGEANCE #2.


VENGEANCE #1

Writer: Joe Casey
Art: Nick Dragotta
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Reviewer: Ambush Bug


Joe Casey is my kind of writer. He doesn’t care about product placing Spider-Man or Wolverine or Iron Man into the story. Joe’s story lingers on the fringes of the Marvel U, that area filled with imaginative characters and concepts, otherwise gathering dust while Marvel focuses on a select few.

You don’t have to have an extensive knowledge of the Marvel U to enjoy VENGEANCE, but it does help. Casey is telling a complex and fun tale with mostly new or reduxed characters; a perfect Miss America, a brash new humanoid version of the Ultimate Nullifier, a trippy young In-Betweener, and Angel and BirdBrain from Morrison’s NEW X-MEN run. Oh yeah, and Nighthawk fits in this somehow.

Issue one is filled with a lot of twists and questions and with most of this cast relatively new, I wasn’t sure which way was up for portions of it. For the most part, everyone is doing their own thing until Ultimate Nullifier calls a team meeting toward the end. I can’t say I fully understand it, but I really dig the cast of oddities. Reminds me of those old DEFENDERS comics, where it’s just a group of heroes who happen together and fight evil, with hardly a stable roster. I’m not sure why Marvel doesn’t have a DEFENDERS book out there. Sure the last few series have been a bit lackluster and maybe the Powers That Be feel the name isn’t marketable.

Who knows? All I know is that, barring the return of a DEFENDERS book returning to the shelves, this comic will fit the bill nicely with it’s offbeat cast and half-hazard organization. Casey seems to be writing about the old vs young generation. I got that much from the cover and the battle between the elder Magneto and the Ultimate Nullifier. But this concept is just beginning to being touched on here. With some fantastic art by Nick Dragotta who seems to be channeling his inner Mike Allred throughout this issue with some compelling character designs and gripping panels of action, VENGEANCE is the oddball team book I’m most looking forward to reading at Marvel for the moment.


dot.comics presents…

THE WEBCOMIC FACTORY

Writers: Tony DiGerolamo & Christian Beranek
Reviewer: Optimous Douche


While the Intertubes are rife with time wasters for desk drones and support mechanisms for lonely shut-ins, very few sites are worth the energy it takes to point and click. This becomes especially true for webcomics. We get forwarded thousands of these sites each year in the @$$hole clubhouse. 99% of these forwards consist of some guy with an idea (not a full comic) who slaps together one page and webifies it. Generally this webifying is a hard to read .pdf, sometimes just a lazy-ass .jpg, and then the worst of the worst, leveraging fucking FLASH that induces vertigo over actual enjoyment. And the rest of the site is usually worse than the comic. I’m not just a comic Douche, I also run corporate websites. While I don’t expect comic guys to have the same limitless coffers I work with on a daily basis, following basic usability principles, taxonomy best practices and simplified content doesn’t cost a dime. Yet still these messes exist.

Given this maelstrom of comic shit that exists when a site does do things right like provide a great site structure, clear navigation, content presented appropriately for the medium, AND the content is enjoyable, well, I have to give these pioneers of the digital age a shout out. Actually, THE WEBCOMIC FACTORY gets more than a shout out; I give to it a barbaric yawp.

Rife with strips and panel pages, creators Tony DiGerolamo and Christian Beranek also put themselves in Optimous’ good graces by ensuring the site had a steady stream of materials before seeking some review love. Again, a big no-no is saying you have a site with material and the site consists of one page that is updated about as often.

I would say the boys almost have too much content, or perhaps I just have too little time. There are over ten different microsites to this behemoth ranging from the newspaper style three panel quips to actual honest-to-god comic pages. Also, each of these separate pieces are already packed with pages upon pages of material unto themselves. DiGerolamo says the WEBCOMIC FACTORY has been open for only a year. With this much content these guys are either ultra dedicated or there was a fair amount of pre-work going down before the site was launched.

Another area where I give the guys top marks is that this site is open for submissions, living true to its name and ostensibly turning the site into a mini-publishing house.

All right, enough preamble you all know what a website is. Let’s look at some of the comics.

PIN JUNKIES: This one was near and dear to my heart. When I was a young Optimous looking to get into college, I was not very well rounded. However, I could hurl a round ball at pins and knock them over most of the time. Yes, I lettered in bowling. As anyone who watched the movie “Kingpin” will attest to, you can learn a lot about life from bowling. Digerolamo must agree with me, this whimsical three panel approach to each strip looks at the tragedy and triumph of not just bowling, but the lives of the bowlers as well.

GENTLEMEN’S CLUB: Anyone who has ever visited one of these houses of low self-esteem and daddy issues knows that there’s comedy gold in them thar hills. Everything is covered from auditions to those “oh-so clever” stage names the girls introduce themselves with when they force conversation on you. I challenge writer Ivan Cortez to conjure up some strip where one of the strippers inevitably talks about their kids. We’ve all been there. Haven’t we?

OLD TYME GAMER: Another DiGerolamo creation and another that hits dangerously close to home. I may not be part of the first generation of gamers, but I did get an Atari 2600 in kindergarten at the suggestion of my Phys Ed teacher to, as he put it, “help my lack of hand-eye coordination.” OLD TYME GAMER explores the ever increasing complexity of gaming as the first generation gets snow on the rooftop or loses their shingles all together. If you’ve ever been fragged by BIEBERFAN-BAYBBAYB897, you’ll dig OLD TYME GAMER.

There’s plenty more to be found, including a multitude of reasons to hate kids of all ages and reasons to hate comedians, but the prior were my definite favorites. There’s also a couple comics I was less than enamored with, mainly because you can tell there was less time and craftsmanship put into them. Call it a relative distaste if you will.

Kill some time on THE WEBCOMIC FACTORY ; I guarantee it’s time better spent on the internet than hashtagging your latest #colonoscopy.


Editing, compiling, imaging, coding, logos & cat-wrangling by Ambush Bug
Proofs, co-edits & common sense provided by Sleazy G

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  • July 13, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    I kind of want to pick up some of these DC titles

    by Detective_Fingerling

    but really, what's the point? I've never picked up an issue of Secret Six, but think I'd like to get a few trades to see what all the hype is about. The Abin Sur series would have been right up my alley had this whole reboot thing not come to light. I got rid of my GL subscription shortly after Blackest Night - - - I could see that to keep up with the story I was going to have to continue buying more and more event and side books. Also, not too keen on them going back to #1 on Cap. It's literally the only book I keep up with each month instead of putting it in my "to read" pile. Definitely going to pick up that Red Skull series. Thanks for the reviews.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Flashpoint FTW, Fear Itself Zzzzzz...

    by NeonFrisbee

    Flashpoint's really good. Not just the main story, but many of the supplementary ones (Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Deadman, Grodd of Motherfucking War, are all pretty great thus far). Come to think of it, Blackest Night was really good too. I think DC has a better handle on these things. (Keeping in mind I realize that Final Crisis was a bit too outre for most.) Marvel's "events" always seem so lame. It's just more fighting. No real crisis or depth. The deaths mean nothing, so who cares? (I guess they figured out how they were gonna get rid of Bucky Cap now that Movie Cap is about to blow up, though.) I like Fraction's work on Iron Man too, but Fear Itself is kinda whatevs.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Red Skull

    by Olsen Twins_Fan

    That cover is badass! David Aja needs to work more.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    FEAR ITSELF/CAPTAIN AMERICA #1

    by Johnny Ahab

    Yeah, have to agree - FEAR ITSELF is pretty bland. I'm especially disappointed that Bucky appears to have bought it (although no doubt will be resurrected - yawn - along with the Human Torch at some time in the near future). I flipping loved when Cap got capped - by mind-controlled Sharon no less!! -- and couldn't believe the huge balls Marvel showed with that. Silly me, once Bucky-Cap took over, I thought it would be permanent and I had so much respect for the company. Then comes Cap Reborn, one of the worst, lamest character comebacks in history (Whaaaa?? A time-displacement gun??? STEVE ROGERS IS DEAD - how much more "I win!" can the Red Skull get???) - and I'm kinda sad Marvel's ballsack shriveled up and we're back to the status quo. I'll buy Cap #1 cuz I like Brubaker (stupid editorial Cap-reborn decisions aside), but I'm very sad to see that whole Winter Soldier/Cap dies/Bucky-Cap-takes-over arc come to a close. In the end, what the hell was the whole point? Yes, I get that they have to have Steve Rogers back in the suit with the movie coming out. But as a longtime comic reader, I'm ultimately disappointed. With FEAR ITSELF, not only is it bland and random (just why was The Grey Gargoyle deemed one of the "Worthy" again??), but I have crossover-fatigue. I'm buying the main series only - because it bleeds into so many of the main titles I'm already buying (Thunderbolts, Heroes for Hire, New Avengers) - and you kinda need the main story line to make sense of what's happening in the affected books - but I can't say I'm all jazzed about it. And I am blowing off the extra side stories. I did like VENGEANCE #1 though - I do tend to like stories that focus on obscure characters in the Marvel U. taking center stage. Seeing the presence of Nighthawk I went from "do I buy this?" to "Yep, add it to the stack, please!" I am an old-school Defenders nut, and would love to see that title back regularly. Just re-read the 2002 run that ended with THE ORDER - and it was a gas. Please, Marvel - a DEFENDERS book (with as many of the Big Four as possible) on a regular basis???

  • best compliment ever

  • I stopped reading at that point. Seriously, WHY ARE YOU READING COMICS if you think that is ridiculous?? You don't think the names Batman, Spider-Man, or Superman are ridiculous? First time reading comics, huh?

  • July 13, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    deckardb...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    He's not really complaining about the name Captain America. The entire review gives off the vibe he's just butt hurt over Barnes not being a perminent replacement Cap.<p> I guess he also thought Peter Parker revealing his I.D. to the world was gonna stick, and Dick Grayson would take over as Batman forever cause Bruce was dead, dead, dead.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    JD

    by evolution1085

    Lack of Bucky in the CAP #1 probably has something to do with him getting got in Fear Itself

  • July 13, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    @kletus (spoilery question)

    by evolution1085

    Any thoughts on them sacrificing Tony's sobriety just to get Odin to pick up the phone?

  • July 13, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Not liking Flaspoint 3

    by Homer Sexual

    I am surprised you liked the Superman reveal so much, since it invalidates the whole human influence of the Kents on Supermans development, and I thought it was weak. But Im not a huge Supes fan anyway. I think this series is just too old fashioned for me, with secondary characters like Aquaman and Wonder Woman being altered, but more inexplicable dick sucking of Barry Allen. I like issue 1 and 2, though. Secret Six was awesome indeed, but also true...why invest now? This months Jonah Hex is also aces.

  • July 13, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Cap as an Aryan....

    by None_So_Blind

    You missed the point. That was clearly intentional. What better way to insult the Nazis than to have their ideal man repudiate them and whoop their ass? Or do you think the two *Jewish* creators of Cap were unaware of the implications of what they were saying? ;-)

  • July 13, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    none_so_blind

    by Poptard_JD

    nicely said sir!

  • July 13, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    starsplitter: I don't care that you don't care:

    by Poptard_JD

    keep your small-minded prejudice towards my reviews out of your talkbacks and just read the other reviews. ;)

  • July 13, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    evolution1085

    by Poptard_JD

    No, no..I get that, totally. But usually when someone dies in comics, there is some sort of mention about it for the next couple of months. I was just noting the fact that in order to make it more accessible to new readers after the Cap movie hits, they didn't bother even really mentioning the fact that Bucky was just recently Cap or that Steve was just recently the "top-cop" of Marvel...I know his "get" was "got"..just interesting that they didn't mention his death or how his old sick-kicks (second) death affected him, is all.

  • July 13, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    deckardb26354

    by Poptard_JD

    Good point to be sure, sir. Absolutely! And thanks for bringing it up.. I think my problem with his name in particular lies in that it is, in itself, sort of propaganda-y, haha. Spider-Man is named because he has the proportionate speed, strength, so on and so forth of SPIDERS. Superman is ...well..SUPER-powered. But Captain America doesn't really have AMERICA-powers. It's a sign of our arrogance as a nation. Watch the guy named after our country kick butt! Cause he's an AMERICAN! And America is the best! FUCK YEEUURRR!!! And I feel like I should mention: I love my country. It has its problems, sure. But I still love it. It's the arrogance I can't stand. Does that make sense?

  • July 13, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    anakinsdiapers

    by Poptard_JD

    The ENTIRE review? Or the ONE SENTENCE where I clearly mention my feelings on the subject? And no, I never think these things are GOING TO STICK. But just once, I would LIKE IT TO. I understand that it won't happen, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop hoping for it.

  • July 13, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    bibleman

    by Poptard_JD

    Who is "us"?

  • July 13, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Johnny Ahab: Thanks

    by Poptard_JD

    and I'm kinda sad Marvel's ballsack shriveled up and we're back to the status quo.

  • July 13, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    @evolution & homer sexual

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    It just didn't have the impact it should have...i would of liked to have seen that happen in INVINCIBLE IRON MAN, because there would have been more time to show why this is such a big deal, plus we probably would get some great internal dialog from Tony. Homer- i don't think the Kents raised Superman in this one. i think he grew up in that lab...but i could be wrong. I think that's why he seemed really weird and disconnected...

  • July 13, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    starsplitter: Clearly YOU care about how I feel about America.

    by Poptard_JD

    Otherwise you would have just ignored it. You silly-pants, you.

  • July 13, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    jackpulliam : Thanks!

    by Poptard_JD

  • July 13, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    poptard..

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ...Really dude? You also compared Steve Rogers to chicken. And i suspect if Barnes was Cap the critique on his costume and what a Captain America of our time represents in your minds eye wouldn't be there either.<p> But hey, i could be wrong. <p> As far as Cap not having "America powers" is concerned, actually he does. The entire point of Steve Rogers is that he's supposed to be representative of what the ideal American is supposed to be philosophically. He's the ideal. He fights for the American dream, not the reality. Which is why time and again, when others take on the mantle they don't last. They aren't Steve Rogers. Brubakers run is really just a retelling of Mark Gruenwalds historic run in the first place, just substitute Barnes for John Walker.<p> As for lasting change? Somethings are immutable. Bruce Wayne is Batman, Peter Parker is Spider-Man, and Steve Rogers is Captain America. Sometimes it's the popularity of the character which makes them immutable, and sometimes it's the inherent "point" of the character which makes it so. Which, as an aside, i had serious issues with Batman Beyond all thru it's run. It was a well produced show, and had some stellar episodes, but Batman isn't a Peter Parker archetype. Terry was neither a detective nor did he scare anyone. he was just a guy in a supersuit. But at least the last episode of season two of Justice League unlimited made me accept the character. When Amanda Waller revealed he was genetically Bruces Son, and went on to say he has Bruces dedication and heart, but lacked his "magnificent brain", i smiled. That's why Bruce is Batman and is thus immutable. Bruce Wayne is an example of being immutable because of both popularity and circumstance.

  • July 13, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    starsplitter, you keep proving my point.

    by Poptard_JD

    You're "sick of" it. That means you care. If you didn't care, you would be bothering yourself to call someone you don't know childish curse words. So yeah..it IS that you care, cutie-pie. Also, it's interesting to me that you got LIBERAL out of my review. Hmmm. Are you upset that I slandered your beloved Happy Meals?

  • July 13, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    anakinsdiapers, very well said!

    by Poptard_JD

    I live for well thought out debates, sir. Too often, as with people like @starsplitter, cursing and aggression are mistaken for thought. The point about Bucky is a valid attempt, but my problems with Captain America the mantle weren't about the person inside the suit. I'd have made the same case for Bucky Cap and his costume/name/etc. Now, the Chicken thing WAS about Steve Rogers the character. Another thing altogether. As a reader, I have trouble relating with and therefore emotionally tying myself to a character like Steve, or Kal-El...I can relate to Bucky because he has more faults and is STRUGGLING to do the right thing. Bucky is a more interesting Captain America because THAT is what America, (actually, what HUMANITY) is to me. Struggling with the things that get you down and trying to overcome them. Steve just feels like a one dimensional character to me, who just knows exactly what to do at exactly the right time to win the day. I can't relate to that. I'm a fuck-up, and would rather read about other fuck-ups who are able to reach past themselves to win the day. Great point about Batman Beyond, as well! And holy hell, that JLU episode was amazing...I just watched that again a couple weeks back. Great stuff. Like I said earlier, I understand that certain things are immutable. But at one point Jay Garrick was THE Flash. Then Barry became the main Flash, and THAT was immutable. Then Wally. There were leaps FORWARD and a sense of history. Now we're taking steps backward instead of forward and that's my problem. I'd rather move forward than run in place.

  • July 13, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Event fatigue...

    by Joenathan

    Good god, you make me embarrassed to be a comic fan. No one should ever say the words"event fatigue" in a serious manner ever again. There are real problems out there, go get one. "Event fatigue" is the lamest thing on the planet. Stop it. I do like that Kletus stopped buying Fear Itself, though, for all the pussying that comics fan do when their favorite character dies or changes outfits or ignores history that was mentioned once 20 years ago... NOT buying the comic is the ONLY thing you can do that actually matters to the company. I can respect that. It's the smartest move really. The frankly embarrassing screeds against a creator/company, the lack of self awarness vitriolic flip outs... those are worthless. A waste of your time. But not buying the book because you don't like what they're doing? That's a tactic. If enough folks do that, the company notices and then things change. Although, that IS why the DC relaunch is happening, but... can't win them all, huh? Anyway, Kletus and I may disagree on Fear Itself, but I respect his decision to walk away. Personally, I'm enjoying Fear Itself and I think the disappointment some of you profess is due to holding onto too nebulous an idea of what an event must contain. You seem to want bigger, but can't really define what you mean. What was the last comic with a sense of dread? Really? What was the last comic--POST PUBES--that actually scared you? To mean, Fear Itself is fun, but it's just another adventiure. So why is it an event then? Fear Itself is an event for the same reason Wolverine can be on multiple teams at once... Because fuck you, that's why. Just kidding. No, the reasons it's an event is because it spans the Marvel U and events make money. Live with it. Separately packaged events mean a boost in sales. Don't be mad about it, it's just the way it is. Just like some of you seem mad that Steve is back being Cap, as if it's so egregious that they're cross-marketing with the movie. First of all: duh. Secondly: duh. Don't like it. Don't buy it. Like Kletus did. Well done, man.

  • July 13, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Also

    by Joenathan

    I love that some tard got upset about the Happy Meal line. That made my day

  • July 13, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    Vengence/Joe Casey

    by Joenathan

    Joe Casey is a writer who usually just skirts the edge of being someone I like. He sets things up in interesting ways, he has good ideas, but then just seems to suck ass in the execution, at least to me. He's kind of like, for me, what Mark Millar is for a lot of you... Huh. Anyway, Vengence is another one that sounds interesting. And I did like the first trade of Unwritten. Maybe I'll pick it up and try it out.

  • July 13, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Flashpoint

    by Joenathan

    DC events always seem lackluster to me, maybe it's the lack of personality "behind the mask", maybe it's the seemingly scattershot focus, I don't know, because while I like the idea behind Flashpoint, it just seems like it's all over the place. Honestly, tell me. Is it tight? Would a well documented Marvel head--like myself--be interested. Keep in mind, I love the dystopian

  • July 13, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    joe

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    you're right man, i can't really put my finger on what i expect an event to be...but i'll know it when i see it. i want something to knock my socks off...too much to ask? Messiah Complex & Second Coming both had a good sense of dread. but more than that i had NO idea how they were going to resolve things and in FEAR ITSELF it seems like beating up the bad guy is going to 'fix' everything...i could be wrong though. How do you feel about FLASHPOINT? Daredevil: Inside & Out was pretty scary (not saying i wasn't able to sleep) but the part where Foggy was getting attacked and Matt could hear everything but do nothing was pretty gut wrenching. made me think about how i NEVER want to go to prison...ever. it's not SOOOOO egregious that they're bringing CAP back, i kind of expected it but it takes some of the umph out of book when characters are brought back, change costumes or whatever JUST because there's a movie coming out...what does that have to do with the comic book world they live in? natta...it just takes me out the story...that said i am buying CAP #1 good points all around though.

  • July 13, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    joenathan

    by Poptard_JD

    I love that some tard got upset about the Happy Meal line. That made my day

  • July 13, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    The enire "Cap/Superman is boring" attitude..

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ...often feels like either a lazy critique or a critique from those who don't really read the characters to begin with. <P> This is why Cyclops didn't get his due in three X-Men movies. It's easier to write/read about angst ridden bad boys and anti-heroes. It's way harder to write about seemingly straight arrows. You really need to get in deep about what drives a straight arrow.<p> Steve Rogers is a man out of time, who has to deal with being a living legend. He's a walking symbol of the most powerful nation on the planet and that weight has to be incredible. Not even going into his personal idiosycrasies that's enough to write a book. Scott Summers is the golden boy he is because he is the face of mutantcy. He has to be perfect. Although Jean Grey was the first Xavier took under his wing, Scott was the first X-Man. That's a terrible weight. Add his weakness for red heads and his tendency to be self destructive sometimes and thats a smorgasbord of story potential. But it's easier to write about angsty anti heroes so it's Wolverine and his amazing friends.<p> And no, i don't need to be an african king to care about the trails and tribulations of the Black Panther. The whole "i can't relate" argument makes my head hurt.

  • July 13, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    anakinsdiapers

    by Poptard_JD

    ...often feels like either a lazy critique or a critique from those who don't really read the characters to begin with.

  • July 13, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    anakinsdiapers

    by Poptard_JD

    ...often feels like either a lazy critique or a critique from those who don't really read the characters to begin with.

  • July 13, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    One more time...

    by Poptard_JD

    I'm not sure why my whole post isn't showing up..but i'm trying it again! SORRY!! That doesn't make sense. Of COURSE it's a critique from those who don't really read the characters to begin with. Why would they continue to read about characters that they find boring? I continually try out different Superman issues in case a good story is being told about him, and same with Cap. Obviously I picked this #1 Cap issue up, in the hopes that I wouldn't find it boring. Luckily, Brubaker wrote a really solid #1 issue that made me want to buy the second issue. But as soon as that interesting story is over, I'll probably stop buying Captain America because I find him, as a character..BORING. He alone is not enough to keep me reading his book. Whereas Spider-Man IS interesting enough to me to keep reading his book even when it isn't great. This puts your badboy/antihero theory to the test. They don't have to be either of those things, they just have to be interesting. As for Cap, sure it's a big weight to be who he is, but I rarely see that portrayed. I see him making snap decisions and throwing his shield without a moments hesitation or ever making a mistake for the most part. And that isn't something i RELATE TO or FIND INTERESTING TO READ, if that phrase makes your head hurt less. ;) We all read what we enjoy reading and some characters don't fit that description. And that's ok. You don't have to be upset that people don't like a character you enjoy, just keep enjoying it!

  • July 13, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Steve Rogers is a man out of time....

    by BangoSkank

    Yeah, a man out of time.... 40 years ago. Even in Marvel's constantly-rewriten-slower-than-real-time timeline, the dude has had decades to become a so-called “modern man“. It’s no longer a valid part of who he is. He isn’t a “Man Out Of Time”, he’s a dude that took a really long nap, and has now been a part of modern society for longer than any of us have been alive. And I think he's had time to adjust to the burden of being a living legend, too. HOWEVER, if this were actually shown as a part of his character --completely ignoring the past 40 years of time he's had to acclimate himself to the role of LIVING LEGEND, MAN OUT OF TIME-- I'd find him a little less bland. But then, I'm just being "lazy".

  • Now I remember why I haven't read a new comic in ages. Next thing you know, they'll tell us that Spider-Man is a clone.

  • July 13, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Red Skull cover is terrific, though.

    by kevred

  • July 13, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Oh, i hardly need people to like what i like..

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ..i just get annoyed when they use easy critiques, like "boring" and "can't relate", as if most of the SUPER heroes are relatable to begin with.<p> In the Marvel sliding scale, Caps been around for no more than 15 years. We can discuss our opinions on how long it would take for someone to adjust to being out of his time, his friends/family dead, everyone from his era old, and society drastically changed, but that's another discussion. What we can say is that at a certain age ones, personal values are set, and no amount of years will acclamate new values. Which is why you always hear older people exclaim, "in my day, blah, balh blah."<p> As for "I see him making snap decisions and throwing his shield without a moments hesitation or ever making a mistake for the most part." Really? Is this Bru's run or are you refering to another's. Because i've seen doubt in Bru's run. Hell, i've seen doubt and hesitation in Waids run, both of his runs, and of course Gruenwalds run. Doubt led him to quit being Captain America several times. Nomad, and the Captain are both monikers created from his doubt. Not to mention probably hundreds of instances during the 40 years of comics he probably exhibited doubts, one off the top of my head when he didn't have his shield and he was forced to pick up a machine gun and shoot a henchman of Flag Smasher who had a hostage. Not a good criticism.

  • Black Hole was extremely unsettling. Before that, the issue of Cerebus where Mrs. Thatcher confronts Jaka and Rick was an incredibly intense bit of storytelling.

  • July 13, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Wow. Has Writing Rambler written reviews before, or...?

    by ClaireRedfield

    I know this is AICN, so I'm used to spoilers, but typically there's a point to them. Like, for instance, to reveal a detail to increase excitement, or to point out something negative in a "you guys won't believe this shite" sort of way. But wow, this guy just did an entire recap wikipedia style. I felt like I was reading a review of something I was expected to have already read. More of a discussion than a review. I'm not really pissed or anything. Even though I'm an Azzarello fan, I wasn't even sure I wanted to read the book. It's just that now I feel like I don't have to. At all. No disrespect meant. I genuinely assume that he's just not used to writing reviews per se, as opposed to just discussing the issue. But I will be sure to never read another review of something I'm interested in if it's written by this guy.

  • July 13, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Kletus

    by Joenathan

    I haven't read Flashpoint. I'm interested, but DC has a longer track record of disappointing me with their deep-end of the pool superhero continuity stuff. It sounds fun, but... we'll see. I'll probably trade-wait

  • July 13, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Vengeance...

    by maxwell's hammer

    I skipped it last week, but picked it up today after reading a good review. I have to say, I rather liked what I read. Very odd in a good way, and it brought back the best original X-character to come out of the aughts: STACY X, the mutant hooker!! Oh, and that wasn't Birdbrain (who was a one-off character from the 80s era New Mutants) it was a depowered Beak. Although you did correctly attribute him to Grant Morrison, so you probably just got the name wrong. Also, on an unrelated note, Schism #1 came out today, and it was far better than I thought it would be...

  • July 13, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Also, agree with anakinsdiapers, kind of.

    by ClaireRedfield

    If only for different reasons. It is somewhat lazy to completely ignore a character out of hand based on preconceived notions. Honestly, these characters have been around for decades; aren't ALL of them dull as dogshit? Wolverine is still doing the same shit. Spider-man is LITERALLY still doing the same shit by editorial mandate for chrissakes. At least the indie snobs who "never read spandex comics" have the decency to not be hypocrites about one guy wearing his underwear on the outside vs another with pirate boots. I aged out of judging books based on my favorite characters by age 14. There are no boring characters. Only boring writers.

  • July 13, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    sense of dread

    by Joenathan

    See, this is where it gets nebulous. In Fear Itself, you have: The Serpant, Odin's other half, his equal, but a monster who is all about killing everything and has already started doing so. The Worthy, which includes Thing and the Hulk slaughtering people. Grey Gargoyle killing the entirety of Paris. Sin kills Bucky and massacres a large amount of Washington. Tony takes a drink-the first in how long?-sacrificing his sobriety to summon an audience with Odin. The prophecy that the Serpent kills Thor. AND Odin is about to scorch Earth down to the rock in order to stop the Serpent. These are huge things, huge! What more do you want? To me it sounds crazy to applaud Flashpoint--Gee, how will Flash ever get his powers back in time to save the world-durp-a-durp-a-durp-and yet, somehow it's obvious and boring that the heroes are just going to "hit somebody" and then win? Of course they're going to win. They always win. We know this. "The villain already won" in Flashpoint? Oh no, do you think the villain will stay victorious? Duh! Duh! Duuuuuuuh! Of course he won't. To me, they're both stories that, yeah, we know the heros will win, but if they're both well told, why not just enjoy the ride?

  • July 13, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    scary comics

    by Joenathan

    I don't know about POST pubes, but PRE pubes the old What ifs always scared the crap out of me.

  • July 13, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST

    quick question, in the "ultimate" marvel universe...

    by sonnyhooper

    .... do they have an "Ultimate Nullifier"? and if so, what do the call it? is it the "Ultimate" Ultimate Nullifier? or do they call it just a plain old nullifier?

  • July 13, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Joen/Homer FLASHPOINT EVENTS

    by optimous_douche

    Sorry for the all in one gents, I'm in rehearsals for a new show and had a hell of a day at the day job. Time is short. I think I'll go chronologically... Homer - Do we know if Superman's good yet. I mean he didn't rip off Cyborg's cock and claim it as his new USB drive, but (SPOILER) the fucker flew off. If he had the Ma & Pa Kent Clockwork Oranging, he would have stayed to help. Am I OK with this? Ya, fuck it we're living in a dream. This is an Elseworld's baby, relax enjoy the ride. Joen - Will you enjoy it? I'm honestly afraid to say yes. I think you need a morsel of reverence for the universe to truly enjoy it. But then again I have that reverence and I'm an only child so I just assume the entire world thinks like me. I think you'll personally enjoy it in the because to a certain extent the series is taking a character colonic, flushing out everything that once was except for the Flash's. Plus I hear your favorite universe's big summer event has been lackluster, so what the fuck else you gonna read :-) I will say this, keep your cynical ass off the minis except GRODD. GRODD was Good. Damn Goodd. Flashpoint is an event done right. It doesn't count for fuck all of anything. Read it or don't -- it's caused 0 bumps in the DC main continuity.. Yes...yes...I know why....

  • July 13, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST

    joenathan

    by maxwell's hammer

    I'm a Marvel Zombie and am reading "Fear Itself" and am enjoying it for what it is, but the problem some of us are having with it isn't its inclusion of big ideas, but the execution of the big ideas. Most of the stuff with Hulk and Thing and Grey Gargoyle aren't actually in the main book, but in spin-offs and tie-ins, which lessens their impact when they're referred to in 'Fear Itself', and a lot of us are waaaaay beyond shelling out all the cash for all the periphary books just to get the full story. If you want me to feel dread about Paris, then show me something horrible happening in Paris in 'Fear Itself'! not just few passing panels of some people turned into statues! Why should that fill me with dread? That's the Grey Gargoyle's schtick!! There may be some massive epicly tragic backstory to that one panel I got in the 'Fear Itself' proper, but I wouldn't know that unless I go out and buy Iron Man as well, which i shouldn't have to do!! Bucky's death was so undersold that a lot of people weren't even sure he'd died until Fraction and Brevoort started doing interviews about the whole thing the next week. Not to mention the death was just kind of arbitrary and not character-driven at all. With all the work Brubaker has done building up Bucky as the new Cap, it was actually kind of depressing (for the completely wrong reason) that he went down almost as afterthought at the tail end of that issue. And I don't think anybody's holding their breath about whether Thor will die again so soon after his most recent resurrection, so that whole prophecy thing kind of fell flat. Basically, I think "Fear Itself" wants to be a lot more epic than it actually is, and every once in a while, it almost manages to fool you, thanks to some really fucking spectacular art from Immonen. But even with all those flaws, as stated above, I'm enjoying it for what it is.

  • July 13, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST

    claireredfield

    by Larry G.

    Thanks for the love lol....I stand by my review but I'd hate to think that anything I wrote would keep someone from picking up such a good story, so my apologies if thats the case Critiques aside though, I do completely agree with what you said about "no boring characters. Only boring writers".I try to never hate a character. If somethings not for me than I stop buying and if a new writer comes on and brings new life to it Im happy to jump back on.

  • July 13, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Fear Itself/Flashpoint

    by Larry G.

    While Im reading both events I feel like Fear Itself cant hold a candle to Flashpoint....I dont know what it is but I feel like for the most part DC has been telling much better stories (at least on the comic pages) for the past several years.

  • July 13, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Max

    by Joenathan

    IT sounds like your main complaint isn't really the story execution, (except for Bucky's death, which I admit, I didn't realize he was dead either, at first.), it sounds like you're more displeased with the delivery of the story in the media. I know you know this but... Cross-overs have side stories. Always have. If they included more pages in the main book, the price goes up and the bitching commences. Cross-overs are always split up like this. You "shouldn't have to" buy other comics? 1. You don't. 2. That's how they make their money. 3. It's an Event. Part of the specialness is that the story bleeds out across all the titles, see? This is how it is. This is how Flashpoint is too. Accept it or do like Kletus and bow out. It's not fair to the creators to shit on their product when they have no control over how much of their story they can deliver at one time and in one place. I'm sure he wanted to show more of Paris, but... the page count is the page count. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You don't get to jump into the pool and complain about getting wet. This is how Cross-overs are. They're always a big ungainly mess.

  • July 13, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Sonny

    by Joenathan

    yes, there was an Ultimute Nullifier, but I don't think they ever called it by name, probably for the very reason you stated.

  • July 13, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Optimus

    by Joenathan

    I'll check out Flashpoint and Grodd. My main problem with DC's stories is that they're about the mask. MArvel is about the man behind the mask. Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, Hal Jordan, Barry Allen. They don't exist, they're just the heroes grocery shopping disguise. They only one who ever did exist was Wally and they retired him, right?

  • July 13, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    My problem with Fear Itself...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    "The emperor has no clothes" comes to mind. It's been 4 issues and the plot is ridiculously thin. The serpent is resurrected and disperses magical hammers that are claimed by the "worthy", who go about mind controlled, creating fear thru their destruction that in turn powers the serpent.<p> That. Is. It.<p> Now, have other important plot points come up in the tie ins? i don't know as i haven't bought the tie ins, and i shouldn't have to.<p> And although i realize this is really a Cap and Thor story, where the hell is every other hero in the Marvel universe other than the Avengers? Enough of the decompressed storytelling. Especially in an "event" book. Come up with a bleeding plot that requires 8 issues.

  • July 13, 2011, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Joenathan

    by maxwell's hammer

    I'd say seeing why Tony is so overcome with guilt/depression/horror (or whatever) that he thinks going off the wagon is the solution to the heroes' problems is a bit more than a side-plot. That scene, in isolation, in 'Fear Itself' was just another scene that came off a lot less urgently than if some of that backstory had actually been covered I'm the main book and hadn't required an additional $3 or $4 purchase. Seeing Avengers Academy battle Juggernaut is good fodder for a tie-in. Not the principal motivation for a major character's plot-altering personal crisis.

  • July 13, 2011, 8 p.m. CST

    We need LESS sense of dread, not more!!

    by gooseud

    You know the reason I dropped X-Force and have zero interest in Schism? Because I am so beyond sick, utterly fed up, and completely tired of conversations between characters about how dark they are and how hard it is to be so FRIGGIN DARK! Every single issue of X-Force, you are going to get at least one conversation between Psylocke and Wolverine along the lines of "This is what we do, darlin, we kill people. Dead. We kill alot of them. I even killed a squirrel yesterday....and a little bunny too. Killed em dead. Get used to it". I mean, what is Fear Itself? The Chosen dont even speak English. They have no personality. They have no particular powers of any interest. Their only trait is to rampage through cities wordlessly smashing shit. Yawn. Cut to a scene of character X standing around looking at the carnage being like "Man, this is bad. Its really bad. Its never been this bad. I mean, I'm talkin fuckin BAD, yo!" Its become a cliche, like a Spinal Tap moment, "Its like, how more black could this be..... and the answer is none. None more black". Except Marvel doesn't realize they are the joke. Have any of you actually tried to READ the Iron Man title proper since this crossover started? Its literally unreadably bad. I've quit, and will not be picking up any issues of anything I like until this event is over. And for the record, that refers to Secret Avengers, Iron Man, and Thunderbolts.

  • July 13, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Having said that....

    by gooseud

    Fear Itself: Journey Into Mystery is completely awesome, and is so awesome that it practically redeems the whole sorry, sordid event. I mean, a pre teen Loki is riding around on a giant invincible goat. What else do you need to know?

  • July 13, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    And for those who think I am squeamish about dark stuff

    by gooseud

    My pull list features Scalped, Irredeemable, and American Vampire, so suck it bitches. American Vampire is the absolute pinnacle of how to do dark and gory while still flashing moments of sense of humor, fun, and charisma. Plus Skinner Sweet is one of the best characters in comics.

  • July 13, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Joe, Unwritten is freakin amazing

    by gooseud

    That book is incredible. There really isnt any other word for it, it is hands down, drop dead fantastic.

  • July 13, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    The last comic that scared me?

    by gooseud

    Nothing scares me, but the last comic that truly brought a sense of gut wrenching suspense and dread was the Catman's baby arc in Secret Six. That was truly gut wrenching.

  • July 13, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Fear Itself is a bore

    by Laserhead

  • July 13, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST

    by Laserhead

    Fear Itself is kind of a crashing bore. Just like Fraction's 'Thor' and, increasingly, 'Iron Man.' Hammers! Ooooh. The main series of 'Flashpoint' is kind of a crashing bore, too. Knight of Vengeance was pretty fantastic, though.

  • So many great moments: Silver Surfer and Thor doing some chest beating when Odin appears and tells him he too old for that crap. Odin telling Surfer he and his master are nothing more than criminals, grabbing Surfer by the throat before Surfer can react. Volstagg getting a chance to shine when asked what he thinks of Jesus rising from the dead--ehhh, its been done by gods and men. and most importantly the age old question is: DOES SIF SLEEP IN THE NUDE?

  • July 13, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Goose = dread

    by Joenathan

    Spinal Tap. Good one.

  • July 13, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST

    anakin

    by Joenathan

    You're oversimplifying. All the things I've listed happened in the four issues. Plus, I believe there's seven issues, right? This one, the middle culminated with the Serpent reaching the height of his power. It's the heroes at their lowest point. It's kind of a story telling tradition. I'm betting the heroes start overcoming shit soon...

  • July 13, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Max

    by Joenathan

    All I'm saying is, the story and all the side stuff was designed together. It's the media model that splits them. That's how it goes. You can't blame Fraction for that

  • July 13, 2011, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Unwritten

    by Joenathan

    It is good. Folks should be checking it out

  • July 13, 2011, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Flashpoint

    by Joenathan

    Can someone sum up the basic idea for me? There was no Flash, so the world sucked? Is that it?

  • July 13, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Joe, flashpoint

    by gooseud

    Near as I can tell, the reverse flash actually altered history so there was no Justice LEague, it wasnt just Flash he was getting rid of....however, Flash is the only one who remembers. Thats the gist.

  • July 13, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    You know what I miss? Slott's She Hulk

    by gooseud

    Are there even any books like that anymore? That perfect combo of action, humor, and moments of genuine emotion, minus the 7 page speeches about whether to kill a 5 year old Apocalypse? I just feel like comics in general are desperate for a little more Slott/Abnett/Lanning style storytelling, and a whole lot less of personality-less hammer drones and Tony Stark swigging a bottle of wine to get Odin to appear.

  • July 13, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Joenathan

    by maxwell's hammer

    I'm not indicting Fraction personally. I'm just pointing out why some of us are a bit underwhelmed by the main book.

  • July 13, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Max

    by Joenathan

    Understood and I'm pointing out how it's the same complaint for every Marvel Event around here...

  • July 13, 2011, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Goose

    by Joenathan

    So... Flash out ran the new history and then ran out of power? I bet he gets his power back by digging deep, sweating and shouting: "I'm the fastest Man alive!" Just when he's the most needed... Just a guess

  • July 13, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    DC Relaunch

    by Joenathan

    I finally took a look at all the titles and a bunch of them, admittedly, look like ass, but there were a couple of interesting sounding ones.

  • July 13, 2011, 10:01 p.m. CST

    genderblender - foreshadowing

    by Joenathan

    There's always Tony's wall in that issue of Avengers...

  • July 13, 2011, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Genderblender part 2

    by Joenathan

    And Cap's future vision/dream in #50

  • July 13, 2011, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Slott's She Hulk

    by Joenathan

    I think you're out of luck... Ultimate Spider-man? Hey, I almost forgot... Death of Spider-man was pretty fucking awesome. Spoiler Nothing like slowly bleeding out over two issues... End Spoiler

  • July 13, 2011, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Really, i'm not oversimplifying...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    Hammers fell from the sky, and the worthy are fucking shit up.<p> Period.<p> It's an A, B, C plot that hasn't gotten to part B in 4 issues.

  • July 13, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Sure it has

    by Joenathan

    #4 was B. #7 is C. Duh

  • July 14, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST

    anakinsdiapers: "not a good criticism"

    by Poptard_JD

    Maybe Cap does battle with making decisions, but he hasn't done it any time that I've given his books a shot, and therefore I don't have that experience of him. You say that isn't a "good criticism" but guess what? It's enough of a valid criticism for me not to spend much money on his books.

  • July 14, 2011, 12:21 a.m. CST

    genderblender

    by Joenathan

    There's also all the Ultron stuff...

  • I doubt the Nazis would see it that way. I imagine they'd turn to each other after that arse-kicking and say "See, I **told** you that whole blue-eyed, blond-haired superman concept was heading in the right direction! Now all we have to do is create an entire army like that, one with the correct political ideals instead of that stupid Western democracy shit, then we'll be laughing all the way to our local Joy Division." They wouldn't see it as an insult. They would see it as the **total vindication** of their entire philosophy. I don't think Cap's Jewish creators understood the Nazis at all.

  • but the actual reality of it was really cool, and I'm not even a DC guy. I wont spoil it, but it was pretty rad.

  • July 14, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Neither "Event" Is Very Good

    by UserIDGoesHere

    Fear Itself just doesn't feel like an event ... it came out of nowhere, with a villain I don't care about and will probably never be referenced again. Flashpoint is standard alt reality stuff we've seen a million times before. Only the reboot makes it semi-interesting. Oh, and "the villain has already won" is the same basic premise used for Final Crisis and we all know how that turned out.

  • July 14, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    anakinsdiapers

    by deelzbub

    Spot on w/ your assessment of Cap. When he shot Flag Smasher's guy w/ the hostage, it shook him to the core. Gruenwald's run on Cap defined his motivations and converted me, and I was a non-Captain America reader. Brubaker's run never held any interest for me, probably b/c the art was always so dark and muddied, the exact opposite of what I look for in a Cap A book.

  • July 14, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    leo -Mighty Thor #3

    by deelzbub

    agreed. Maybe the best comic of the year.

  • July 14, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Flashpoint and Final Crisis World's Apart

    by optimous_douche

    For the exact reason user-id-goes-here mentioned. Alternate reality. FINAL CRISIS fatal flaw (aside from trying to be written as a comic opera) was that it was in continuity and called CRISIS. I will hold to my dying that day that FINAL CRISIS would have been infinitely better received if they named the damn thing anything but CRISIS. Mr. Morrison's Wild Ride Darkseid Rules Take this Omega Beam and Shove It Don't care. Plus, let's not kid one another, the death of Batman was a huge mistake. It netted nice results with Dick in the cowl, but a different approach could have brought the same effect. Not trying to be FLASHPOINT'S grand champion (OK maybe I am), but the villains already being in control does not automatically relegate the book to a FINAL CRISIS comparison. Shit that's what makes it a comic book. The bad guys are always in a winning position at some point - that's not FINAL CRISIS, that's simply dramatic tension.

  • How many "event" comic storylines crumble under their own weight? Maybe a 75 to 25% ratio. Best and most memorable storylines I remember ran from 3 to 12 issues in a comic line (both solo and team books). Examples being: Nefaria triology, Korvac Saga, Bat murderer story, Return of the Sinister Six, Phoenix saga. Another reason the above storylines stand the test of time is they were the vision of and written entirely by one writer with creative input from the artist and editor. Todays process has been too diluted with the way todays comic companies are run. Makes me think of the line from the song "Princes of the Universe" by Queen: One man, One goal, One vision

  • July 14, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Johnny Destructo = clueless doucherag

    by Stalkeye

  • July 14, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    optimous

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    haHaHaHaHaHaHaHahaha....holy shit! if FINAL CRISIS was called Take This Omega Beam and Shove it, i''d have it framed on my wall! FINAL CRISIS is NOTHING like FLASHPOINT. FINAL CRISIS was hard to follow & had some of the most useless/pointless tie ins i've ever seen & Superman singing to kill Darksied...gimme a break. i agree, Batman's death seemed weird and out of place in that issue...actually i guess the whole series felt that way.

  • July 14, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    So true about FINAL CRISIS optimos

    by leo54304

    Great alternate world storyline but horrible for continuity purposes. Same with death of Batman better idea would have been Bruce being just burned out and deciding it was time Dick was given the chance. Then after getting the fire in the belly let Dick continue as the batman while he worked behind the scenes setting up batman inc. Perfect cover as he (Bruce Wayne) travels world and sets up batman franchises globally while doing work as Bruce Wayne.

  • July 14, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    stalkeye: you make a very compelling argument

    by Poptard_JD

    I don't own the movie Clue, despite it being a really funny film, and I do make women's vagina's feel more fresh.

  • July 14, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Damn, you forgot my "liberal" use of apostrophes.

    by Poptard_JD

  • July 14, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    jd

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    they are coming after you man...

  • July 14, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Not reading either event

    by xsikal

    I haven't read an enjoyable universe-spanning event from either company in quite a long time (I liked Second Coming, but that was X-Men-centric). So, I opted not to buy Flashpoint OR Fear Itself, (although I did pick up Alpha Flight) So far, I haven't found I miss those events at all.

  • July 14, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Kletus: I know right?

    by Poptard_JD

    If only they would get this uppity about REAL LIFE EVENTS THAT HAVE ACTUAL MEANING. It's cute to me that they are getting this bothered about FICTION. I just wanna give them all noogies and let them go back to the playground to eat their boogies and pull girls ponytails.

  • July 14, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    superman's too powerful so there is no challenge

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ...is another good one i hear from people who don't read Superman or just want to throw out a random criticism.<P> Really? Really? Darkseid, Parasite, Metallo, Zod, Doomsday, frickin Toyman, anyone weilding magic, Mongul, Luthor, etc., etc., etc.<p> Superman is facing villains who could either challenge him or actually end him all of the time. It's a lame criticism used by epople who don't read Superman and who are just going for a quicky reason, and that's a critique floating around the ether. If you don't fancy a character then just say that. Coming up with hackneyed reasons isn't required, especially when the literature doesn't back up the criticism.<p> Hickmans Fantastic Four has been given much accolades. I just can't get into it. Byrne, Simmonson, and Waids run have been the only times i've liked the title. I'll just say those are the only times i think the characters have been delved into to my liking, i don't have to create character deficiencies to back up my current dislike.

  • July 14, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    FF

    by xsikal

    Waid's run was excellent, but it's always hard for me to determine how much of that was Waid's writing and how much was my adoration for Wieringo's art. :)

  • July 14, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    xsikal

    by Poptard_JD

    agreed! that was a fun run, and in no small part due to Wieringo's pencils! Good stuff!

  • July 14, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    anakin, i disagree to an extent.

    by Poptard_JD

    so many people (the talkbacks are a GREAT example) just spew hatred for things whether or not they have an actual reason. THAT, to me is "lazy". Take talk-backer @Stalkeye for instance. Seemingly because I don't like the fictional character Captain America, which he literally has no ties to, he decided to personally attack me personally by posting : "Johnny Destructo = clueless doucherag". That's lazy, not to mention cowardly. I assume he's a 9 year old who just recently learned what a curse word is and therefore only knows how to express himself that way because all the bigger kids are doing it, and he thinks it's cool. It's both adorable to me, yet sad. I feel bad that his homelife is so miserable that he has nowhere to put that anger other than a pop culture website. On the other point though, people are allowed to not like Superman because they think he's too powerful to be relatable. If that's their opinion, they are entitled to it.

  • July 14, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    whoops...too many "personally"s. derrrrp.

    by Poptard_JD

  • July 14, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Superman

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    I think the issue is how do you challenge a man that can do everything and is harmed by close to nothing...where's the drama? as jd said people like myself like to read about characters with flaws and Supes isn't really known for that. Sure a great writer can make it work but how long has been since there's been a really good run on Superman (and i'm talking about the monthly book)? ...and none of those villains you mentioned have ever really beaten Superman besides Doomsday.

  • July 14, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    poptard, i think you're missing the point...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ..Liking only street level characters is one thing. There is nothing wrong with that.<p> Not liking Superman because "he's never challenged because he is so powerful" is absolutely false. Instead of grabbing at reasons one has probably heard from others, as this person probably doesn't read Superman in the first place, all that needs be said is, "i like street level to marginally powered characters".<p> Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but expect to be called on opinions based on generalities or absolute falsehoods.<p> "Superman is too powerful" is an opinion. "Superman is too powerful to be challenged" is false. And if one truly doesn't like the character because of a baseless opinion, that's sad.<p> I expect though, many say such things to either troll, or they feel they need some concrete "evidence" for their unlike and grab for the easy criticism that's floating around.

  • July 14, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Awww did I hurt your widdle feelings Johnny D?

    by Stalkeye

    Yeah my attack was lazy but after reading your elitist albiet ignorant post: Quote: "For starters, his name is CAPTAIN AMERICA. It just sounds ridiculous. He has a giant Arial "A", in BOLD, on his forehead. He dresses in a giant flag. He has pirate booties, and wings on his god-damned head. Think about it. If good ole Joe Simon and Jack Kirby didn't come up with him waaay back in 1941, and someone introduced this character for the first time, today....we would all laugh and assume it was either a prank or something created by Rob Liefeld. And if I had to conjure up a Captain America from the state of the country as it is today, Cap would be swathed in corporate logos, he'd be a good 267 lbs overweight, and would sling Happy Meal boxes instead of his iconic shield. Also..for someone who was created to fight the Nazi's, I've always found it interesting that Cap was, for all intents and purposes, a 6-and-a-half-foot member of the Aryan race. " Now THAT sounds like a 12 year old ranting or are you one of those psuedo hipsters that disregard the Man behind the Moniker.During the 2nd World War, Cap was created as the result of American jingoism and of course to counter the sales of Superman who was deemed as not only patriotic, but taking down Nazis. Now decades later, it was Stan Lee's idea to revive said character who had a interesting story arc: adjusting to what has changed after his reawakening, dealing with Bucky's death and finding his place in the grand scheme of things. Cap fights for the American dream and needless to say, he was NEVER a pawn for the US Government (Read the Englehart and Gruenwald back issues if you dare.) as he has the courage of conviction to question authority and fight for what's right (Citing his stance in the Marvel Civil War.) as a conscientous objector.Oh, and did I forget to mention that he is a natural leader? As you have to be in order to lead Earth's mightiest HEROES?!? What's wrong with a Superhero representing a Country that is responsible for various inventions from the automobile to television, or Pop culture like say..Comics? Sci Fi? Various forms of Music (Rock n Roll, Punk, Metal, Rap, R&B) and of course Democracy?!? America's biggest shame no doubt is Slavery and the mistreatment of native Americans but overall, it's holding it down as a great Nation. So in closing words: "America, Fuck Yeah"! And to critique his costume that was voted 3rd place in wizard's top 50 Superhero costumes, is so fucking vapid of you. The "A" stands for the obvious, WTF do you think Superman's "S" means? durrrrrr (0:> The Buccaneer boots are original for a superhero, as well as the chainmail on his shirt/tunic. get a clue it's obvious that you are questioning the designs by Kirby. Sacrilege! (0:< I tell ya what, avoid seeing the Movie qwhen it comes out next week and review other comics like Sandman or whathefuckever because you are sooo "cool".

  • Seriously? What's your definition of beaten? Death? Cause, there aint many Superheroes selling books right now who were ever beaten by their villians. They're the heroes. It's kind of their thing to eventually win so they can sell the next issue.<p> See, is this where we delve into minutia to belabor the point? And i do believe Mongul whipped that ass, when he was introduced. The point is, many of the villains i bothered to mention has either brought Superman to deaths door or severely taxed his abilities, like any good villain does. As Supes is the hero of the story, he tends to pull thru just as Spider-Man tends to pull thru, whether he's fighting Dr. Octopus or the entire Sinister Six.

  • July 14, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Not really, Stalkeye. You'd have to exist to hurt my feelings.

    by Poptard_JD

    You're just words on a page, sir. Your feeble attempts are just that. Sticks and stones, after all. I don't think I've ever made the mistake of calling myself "cool", and I've never read Sandman. In fact, I'm pretty sure out of the two of us, only you have resorted to name calling. I am impressed though. Way to actually crawl out from under your internet rock to make a whole sentence. "are you one of those psuedo hipsters that disregard the Man behind the Moniker" - I wasn't aware there was an army of pseudo hipsters who's purpose is to disregard the Man behind the Moniker. I think you quoting a vapid mag like WIZARD as a reason to like something makes my point for me. You have a point with the Super S though, I'll give you that. I do like the S shield due to it's stylistic attributes. It's actually designed as opposed to just slapped on the forehead.

  • July 14, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    You mentioned TOYMAN. Did he actually beat Superman?

    by Poptard_JD

    THAT dude? Really?

  • July 14, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I know JD personally

    by optimous_douche

    And can entirely back-up that he's not cool :-)

  • July 14, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    And yes, I understand WHY Cap was created..

    by Poptard_JD

    and he was perfect for the time and just what the country needed from comics. I just have a hard time finding him relevant today, is all.

  • July 14, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    I miss some 90s events

    by optimous_douche

    Namely Armageddon 2001 (but Flashpoint is definitely delivering that vibe) And Unity. Valiant might have crumbled, but in the first year or two the continuity was tighter than a nun's vag.

  • July 14, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    THANK you Douche! ;) I knew you'd have my back!

    by Poptard_JD

    Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to my army of hipsters...who....hate the man behind the moniker... do hipsters even READ comics? aren't they too...hip?

  • July 14, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Armageddon 2001

    by Poptard_JD

    I don't know if you're being sarcastic Douche, but I actually LOVED that crossover when I was a kid!

  • July 14, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    anakin

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    hi...i'm kletus not poptard. Superman is expected to win...at everything. Spider-man is not. i understand the hero wins in 99% of stories but Superman's wide range of powers makes him waaaaaaaaay harder to beat than someone like Spider-man. there are a lot more ways to lose than getting beat up and by the end of a Superman story pretty much everything is ok for him...other heroes not so much. riddle me this....what burden, shame, sadness does Superman constantly carry from a previous battle with an arch villain that is still important to his life? As far as i know Superman doesn't really have any intrinsic flaws. i do realized a good writer can make a good story out of anybody...i'm not saying a good Supes story is impossible, i'm just saying i understand why people aren't really interested in the trials and tribulations of Superman. ps i love John Bryne's Superman.

  • July 14, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    poptard_jd AKA Johhny D

    by Stalkeye

    Your first response to my post was that of self effacing humor. OK, The guy can take it on the chin and write me off. Cool But then your second post mostly aimed toward me (Fuck, three short paragrphs? I'm soo flattered.) reeks of whinning. Struck a nerve much? Wizard was huge back then as it was the go-to Mag when it came to info regarding Comics. I can't really see them as vapid other than those Superhero versus scenarios like Batman being able to hand The Gatchaman Team their asses. Quote: "I am impressed though. Way to actually crawl out from under your internet rock to make a whole sentence. " Not only a sentence, but a huge heaping of paragraphs while explaining why Cap is still relevant to this very day. Quote: "I do like the S shield due to it's stylistic attributes. It's actually designed as opposed to just slapped on the forehead. " Oh, you mean the Cowl/mask that has wings on the sides, right? The "A" was actually placed on the front of some Military Helmets. Back then, so why not Cap's Mask? Overall Cap's costume does look better designed than some guy with a red cape and blue tights, oh BTW I also like Supes especially when he's handled right. (0:'.

  • July 14, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye: "Struck a nerve much?"

    by Poptard_JD

    How would your juvanile name calling strick a nerve? That phrase is usually reserved to mean that I have a nerve to strike about being a "clueless dougherag". I have no such nerve to be struck. Yes I used you as an example, but really those paragraphs are for ALL of the useless, hate-spewing fellas on sites like these that have nothing better to do than call people names for no reason. Unless you call "having a different opinion" a reason, whick clearly you all do. You exhibit a sense of bravado simply due to the anonimity the internet provides. The thoughtful posts you've been making ever since your first useless name-calling one are a really great step in the right direction, and daddy's proud of you! ;) In FACT: "The "A" was actually placed on the front of some Military Helmets. Back then, so why not Cap's Mask?" I wasn't aware of that! Thanks for pointing that out, it makes me appreciate it a bit more. I feel the same way about Cap AND Supes..If handled well, they can be great characters. It's all in the writing

  • July 14, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST

    I really need to learn how to spell.

    by Poptard_JD

  • July 14, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    OK, The guy can take it on the chin and write me off

    by Poptard_JD

    I guess my question is, even though I can and DID..."Why should I HAVE to?" Why not just be...nice?

  • July 14, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Kletus...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    1) It's all relative. Supermans villains are in his "weight class". They're power scale for the most part rivals his, so it's a moot point to grumble about his range of powers.<p> 2) I'm not an expert on Supermans history, but my point stands. If you or anyone don't like Superman, that's a ok. if you don't like extremely powerful heroes in your comics that's fine. My point is say that instead of coming up with disingenuous reasons, or reasons based on falsehoods gleaned from others. Superman is challenged on a regular basis. This is fact. You need your heroes with "intrinsic flaws", and you don't see that in Superman, that's all well and good. Review what i've said on the subject and point out where i said people must love Superman or any other character. All i'm saying is the easy, inaccurate criticisms are ass.<p> 3)As far as Burden, shame, etc. He has the Burden of being Superman, basically the worlds Captain America. I do believe he met Mongul after banishing himself from the earth after the shame of killing some villain (help from a Superman historian please), had him having fits of amnesia. He discovered later during these times he was posing as Crimebuster putting the holy beat down on the criminal underground. 4) Then again, i don't think every hero needs "intrinsic flaws" to be readable. You do. That was not my point to begin with.

  • July 14, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    God damn

    by Joenathan

    Spend a few hours away and huge slap fight breaks out.

  • July 14, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Cap

    by Joenathan

    "Brubaker's run never held any interest for me, probably b/c the art was always so dark and muddied, the exact opposite of what I look for in a Cap A book." Yeah, cause nothing's better when he's a smiling, one dimensional government tool, instead of dealing with the complexities of the world...

  • July 14, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Supes would handled Final Crisis himself in moments

    by leo54304

    But they had to get him off earth and came up with the whole--well--whateverthehell contrived subplot line.Otherwise this whole thing would been stopped the moment he knew what was going on. Don't believe me? How many pages (excuse me, panels) did it take supes to stop Darkseids flunkies once he got back to earth? One. Hell, supergirl could have done the job herself in the second act but sorry kid you're not ready to the hero of the day. Maybe in a couple decades. Then boom!! he back off on that cockamamie subplot again. And the: I wanna a happy ending bit? No wonder comics still have a hard time being taken seriously.

  • July 15, 2011, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Thx leo - Final Crisis/Superman

    by optimous_douche

    A) For having the name Leo. It's my birth sign so it is awesome B) For backing up my point on FINAL CRISIS with an example. It just should not not not have been within continuity. You're right Superman has defeated ole Darkseid more times than we can count. Perhaps a writer in the not to distant future will slingshot Superman around the sun so he can arrive back on Earth at the start instead of end of FINAL CRISIS.

  • July 15, 2011, 5:54 a.m. CST

    Yes I'm Serious JD

    by optimous_douche

    I know it's hard to tell since I ooze sarcasm out of every pore most days. But Armageddon 2001 is still one of my favorite summer events and I hold that there has yet to be another company that held together continuity like Valiant.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    anakin

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    If you or anyone don't like Superman, that's a ok. if you don't like extremely powerful heroes in your comics that's fine.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST

    whoops

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

  • July 15, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    anakin (redux)

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    If you or anyone don't like Superman, that's a ok. if you don't like extremely powerful heroes in your comics that's fine.

  • July 15, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    WTF

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

  • July 15, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST

    re re anakin

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    *It’s all relative. Supermans villains are in his "weight class". They're power scale for the most part rivals his, so it's a moot point to grumble about his range of powers.* -Starting you argument off with 'it's all relative' is like waving a white flag in a debate. it's all relative is basically saying that why people like/ dislike Superman should be done on a case to case basis which is NOT what you were saying earlier. in fact you were saying the complete opposite. Toyman in Superman's weight class...really?!? can you honestly look at yourself in the mirror after saying that? Luthor isn't even in Superman's weight class. In a discussion about whether Supes is too powerful i think discussing his range of powers is completely relevant. *I'm not an expert on Supermans history, but my point stands.* -Again saying you're not an expert on a topic on which you are discussing isn't helping your case either. I'm not an expert nor claim to be but i can defend my position if i need to. can you? *If you or anyone don't like Superman, that's a ok. if you don't like extremely powerful heroes in your comics that's fine.* -Saying that if someone like/dislikes Superman is ok IS NOT how you started off in your original post, if fact your post was about how if people dislike Superman for certain reasons it hurts your head. this has nothing to do with what i want in my comics. *My point is say that instead of coming up with disingenuous reasons, or reasons based on falsehoods gleaned from others.* -Really dude? you're saying that people that don't like Superman because they think he's to powerful or can't relate to him are disingenuous or got to that conclusion based on something someone else said...how can you possibly claim that?and can you prove it? *I do believe he met Mongul after banishing himself from the earth after the shame of killing some villain (help from a Superman historian please), had him having fits of amnesia.* -So now you need a Superman historian to back up your claims? Again is that incident with Mongul an issue that repeatedly comes up and causes Superman grief even to this day? No. What i was getting at is that Spider-man carries the guilt that he inadvertently caused his Uncle's death and that's what drives him. Superman doesn't really have that...now just to be fair you could have expanded on his isolationism because of his powers or the fact that he never knew his real parents or that the world he came from exploded killing his entire race, but you offer nothing to support your arguments. *All i'm saying is the easy, inaccurate criticisms are ass.* -this is how i would categorize YOUR argument. An inaccurate criticism would be that i don't like Superman because of his green cape not because i can't relate to him. *Superman is challenged on a regular basis. This is fact.* -Is it? how so? how would you define a regular basis? every issue, every two months, every day? please explain this. *As far as Burden, shame, etc. He has the Burden of being Superman, basically the worlds Captain America.* -That sir, is circular reasoning, the sky is blue because the sky is blue is a terrible way to explain why the sky is blue. How is saying that he's the world's CA help your argument, you offered NOTHING to explain this claim. *Then again, i don't think every hero needs "intrinsic flaws" to be readable. You do. That was not my point to begin with.* -Please point out where i said EVERY hero needs to have intrinsic flaws to be readable? i know that wasn't your point, never said it was. Since you put intrinsic flaws in air quotes i'll explain it to you. Superman doesn't really have anything kind of tragedy that drives him and no real flaws (that i know of) that are specific to his character. SOME people (not all) prefer heroes that are flawed in some way and can relate to those flaws and to SOME people believe Superman doesn't fit that mold. I'm not claiming to be the 'be all end all' on this topic but i can run circles around your arguments. Hell i may be completely wrong and everyone who claims to dislike Superman for those reasons are insincere liars BUT you have done nothing to prove that's true. I love having discussion about comics and have no ill will towards you but damn dude it's like you didn't even read anything i wrote earlier. You're making me feel like Ace Ventura in the balcony scene....this house is cleeyah.

  • July 15, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    I don't usually DO this, but...check this out:

    by Poptard_JD

    There's a great conversation about Race and Diversity in Comics on PopTards Podcast this week, featuring The Black Tribbles Podcast. Go check it out if you have an hour to spare during your work day http://www.poptardsgo.com/?p=2311&cpage=1#comment-2220

  • July 15, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Kletus...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    "-Really dude? you're saying that people that don't like Superman because they think he's to powerful or can't relate to him are disingenuous or got to that conclusion based on something someone else said...how can you possibly claim that?and can you prove it?"<P> No Kletus, what i said was: ""Superman is too powerful" is an opinion. "Superman is too powerful to be challenged" is false."<P> Every other opinion or statement on Supermans value as a character i couldn't give a damn about. My point was folks who grab at easy criticisms out of preconceived notions (because obviously they don't the books) makes my head hurt.<p> Superman is challenged. It's in the books. It happens more than twice a year. Sorry if i can't keep an accurate count for you but it's true. Saying that you don't like Superman because his power level is too high is an opinion. saying you don't like Superman cause everything is easy for him and he isn't challenged is false.<p> That was ALL i was saying. You went into this grand character analysis not me. <p> And to bring this back around, i was alluding to the entire, "Cap is perfect and never has any doubt" nonsense. It's bogus. The books say otherwise. "i don't like characters who don't have clay feet and/or are supposed to be the pinnacle of moral standards", is an ok opinion, the former statement is bullshit and one of those easy critiques floating around the ether.<p> That's it. I'm not about to go into the minutia of what constitutes "weight class" for Superman and all the other semantics you're pushing for, because it has nothing to do with my initial point.<P> But i will say if you do not realize why Lex Luthor is in Supermans weight class this discussion has hit a brick wall anyway.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Thank God For This Talkback

    by ClaireRedfield

    Here I was in a shitty, foul mood, and this talkback did two things I really needed: (1) It took me right back to when I was a smart kid having stupid, pointless, good-natured arguments with my buddies (2) Reminding me that some things just aren't worth arguing or getting angry about. Thanks guys. Seriously.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    anakin

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    this is what you said... *superman's too powerful so there is no challenge...is another good one i hear from people who don't read Superman or just want to throw out a random criticism.* coupled with *i just get annoyed when they use easy critiques, like "boring" and "can't relate", as if most of the SUPER heroes are relatable to begin with.* if what you wrote now would have been your original post, i'd have left it alone. but the arrogance to say why certain reasons for disliking Superman are contrived or insincere made me want to respond. I went it in to, what you call a grand character analysis to prove the point that those reasons for not liking Superman are valid and that you have nothing to back up your claims that these shouldn't be valid reasons. Basically what your saying is you don't want to hear or explain the reasons behind the things you said, you just want to say them and have no one refute them. that's fine. You said weight class, i just expanded on it. No Luther is not in Superman's weight class because he needs a power suit just to go toe to toe with him. He may be cunning, he may be very very smart but he will NEVER be able to be in his weight class thus one of the major problems Lex has with Superman (and why he built the suit in the first place). I'm not saying he's not a worthwhile foe but in his weight class....nope. and you can disregard the points i raised but they have everything to do with what you said...but writing them off is a lot easier than responding to them.

  • July 15, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    claire

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    hey that's what we're here for.

  • July 15, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    kletus..

    by AnakinsDiapers

    "this is what you said... *superman's too powerful so there is no challenge...is another good one i hear from people who don't read Superman or just want to throw out a random criticism.*"<p> uummm..you do realize "Superman's too powerful so there is no challenge" is NOT "superman's too powerful AND there is no challenge" right? the first is false, while the second is two different critiques. I have a problem with first statement, as it's false. the second statement starts with an opinion and ends with a preconceived notion (which i have a problem with.<p> i find it hard to believe you don't get what i'm saying. or are you just trolling me?<p> <p> "I went it in to, what you call a grand character analysis to prove the point that those reasons for not liking Superman are valid and that you have nothing to back up your claims that these shouldn't be valid reasons."<p> prove what point exactly Kletus? Prove that not having "intrinsic flaws" somehow makes the statement "superman is too powerful to be challeneged" valid? I...DO...NOT...UNDERSTAND.<p> <p> "You said weight class, i just expanded on it."<p> Seriously, are you trolling me? I take your definition of "weight class" is the opponent has to have comparative strength, speed, etc.? That's not my definition. Being able to constantly put your opponent in deathly peril is...no matter how you can do it. Lex Luthor is in Supermans weight class. Lex Luthor vs Blue Bettle results in a dead Blue Bettle if that was Luthors goal.<p> <p> "and you can disregard the points i raised but they have everything to do with what you said...but writing them off is a lot easier than responding to them."<p> Yes, i can disregards points that absolutely have nothing to do with my original statement. If you can't see that your statements are basically non sequiturs, as compared to the origianl statement, that's not my problem.

  • On the contraire Mr. Destructo(id?) what I post on the internet is exatcly what I would say in someone's face (and have.) without fear of any retaliation whatsoever. You must be a Noob (Newbie/newcomer) on this site otherwise, you would be used to the often the knee-jerk reactions based on objectionable comments such as yours. In Layman's terms: when you post comments that come off as ignorant, expect some to play not so nice. Also I'm getting sick of these "America sucks, so why should I bother reading or watching a movie based on a character who represents America"? It's almost like a trend these days amongst jaded crowd. Yeah, America has it's flaws and most of it was due to Dubya's adminstration (and the greedy Banking Industry) over the past few years, but we're still riding the storm.BTW if we don't pay off that loan soon, the next Superhero film will be "Captain China". Now imagine what his costume would look like. (0:'

  • Well, Ms. Redfield that's what usually happens in a geek fansite. May I suggest playing RE Mercenaries 3D, instead of reading these pointless arguements? Oh, on second thought, the 3DS game sucked. Anyways....

  • July 16, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST

    stalkeye

    by Poptard_JD

    which comment came off as ignorant, other than your "clueless doucherag" one? this, i GOTTA hear. also: seriously? if you came into my comic shop on wednesday and saw that I was behind the counter ringing you up, you would actually walk up to me and say "Hi there fella I don't actually know, you're a clueless doucherag" ? and then walk away? as for Noob, I've been reading the site for probably 10 years or so and writing for it for the past year, if not more...so I'm WELL aware of the ignorant posts people like you are capable of. that doesn't make it OK. It still makes it ignorant and really, really sad. Especially since I know at least some of you are adults, who should know better. "Captain China" made me lol.

  • July 16, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    and once more: I never said America SUCKS.

    by Poptard_JD

    I even said in a comment : I LOVE America. But guess what, part of what makes me love it, is my freedom to question it.

  • July 16, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    anakin

    by KLETUS_CASSIDY

    y'know if this was happening face to face, people would just call this a conversation...not me trolling you. keep in mind you've responded just as much as i have, the difference is you are taking this conversation to heart and are obviously upset by it. but if it makes you feel better you can have the last word. Again my only gripe is that i think its arrogant to dismiss an opinion that you seem incapable of wrapping your head around, so you write it off as insincire, lazy or gleaned from others (still not sure how you can make that claim). My point was that when people think of Superman, they don't think that he's ever in any real danger BECAUSE of the range and the amount of power he has. Basically he is POWERFUL enough to escape unscathed from most situations which takes the suspense away for SOME people (aka too powerful). SOME people feel they can't relate to being able to overcome nearly all thier problems easily with no longlasting consequences. Because Superman doesn't have flaws that are specific too him (intrinsic flaws), SOME people feel like he's a hard character to relate too. i think that's pretty straight foward. not saying this is 100% true but i can understand why people feel that way. he's not known for his problems, he's known for his power. So you can't see how a character who's perfect physically, super good looking, can pretty much do anything, rarely ever gets hurt, gets the girl of his dreams and isn't really known for having many flaws can't be relatable to SOME folks? i purposely left out mentioning his specific powers because this desciption could be applied to a real person not just a superhero. and yes i know this is judging a book by its cover but i've read a lot of Superman and i still can sympathize with that argument. I see weight class as being able to go toe to toe with someone and have it be an even match...y'know like boxing. i'm not saying he's not a formidable foe but an equal match...i don't think so. Again that's Lex's entire drive is that he isn't Superman's equal (unless he uses krytonite which levels the playing field) so he compensates by coming up with schemes to put Superman in danger which rarely ever have any long lasting effect. but i don't think either one of us is going to budge on this so whatever. good times...

  • July 17, 2011, 6:25 a.m. CST

    JD

    by Stalkeye

    No, you didn't say America sucks, therefore i did not include you in that particular example/sentiment. However, everything else.. Quote; "also: seriously? if you came into my comic shop on wednesday and saw that I was behind the counter ringing you up, you would actually walk up to me and say "Hi there fella I don't actually know, you're a clueless doucherag" ? and then walk away?" If you were to say the same remarks in person, hmmm I can say with a restounding YES! (BTW, In the past I have done far worse. (0:< ) Quote: "that doesn't make it OK. It still makes it ignorant and really, really sad. Especially since I know at least some of you are adults, who should know better." Pot calling Kettle Black, my Friend? What's "sad" is your arrogant demeanor (as witnessed in your Review.) and in turn, you being a bit defensive when i called you out for it. You think me to be Juvenille, fine. But let's see if you can actually form an unbiased opinion during your next review. Lead by example and don't be a hypocrite. "Now you know, and knowing is half the battle". LMMFAO

  • July 17, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Pot calling Kettle Black, my Friend?

    by Poptard_JD

    one of us did school yard name calling. one of us did not. i AM leading by example.

  • July 17, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    and...stalkeye

    by Poptard_JD

    "But let's see if you can actually form an unbiased opinion during your next review. " if you read the actual review, instead of just focusing on the parts you didn't like, you'd notice that the whole POINT of me stating all that "sissy, commie pinko" jive is that DESPITE my bias against the character, I quite LIKED the issue. So not only was my bias a necessary thing to mention, I went ahead and presented an unbiased view on the book itself. Check Mate, mein freund.

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