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Quint thinks they fumbled the ball with Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. As a big, big Harry Potter fan I find myself strangely sad beginning this review. Harry Potter as a film series and as a book series has been with me since my very early days on the site. In fact, one of my first genuine bit of breaking news came because of this series, when I interviewed Steven Kloves about his great film Wonder Boys and he spilled some info on the very first Potter movie.

It’s sad that the series has come to an end. That’s one less constant I have in my universe. To be honest, it hit me more when the final book came out. That series bridged my late teen years and my adult years, afterall, but the movie series has also been there for a long while. Christ, the first movie came out around the time The Fellowship of the Ring did. They’re making the prequel to that series now and Potter’s just finishing up!

The journey has been a fascinating one, an experiment in filmmaking that has never been attempted at this level, much less been as creatively and financially successful and for that I’ll always be humbled by this series, book nerd nit-picks and minor grumbles aside.

So, I’m sad to say that I think they fumbled the finale a little bit. Don’t worry, they didn’t totally screw the pooch. The second installment of Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows is a good movie, that gives a somewhat satisfying end to the series… But I didn’t want good. The source material wasn’t just “good.” This series needed a great finale. It was on the page and I’ve been defending the decision to break this final book into two movies since the announcement because I believed they were doing it in order to give the series the epic finale it has been building up to for 10 years.

With two movies that gives the filmmakers a chance to cover what needs to be covered in the novel and even expand on some of the things the book skims over. Or so I thought.

The producer’s mantra has been “stay with Harry,” which is understandable. When you get into 500, 600, 700 page books something’s going to have to be left out. But in this case they stayed with Harry to what I feel is the detriment of the overall series. Harry is in Hogwarts, flushing out the last Horcruxes as the battle is underway, which means we stay with Harry as he wanders around empty halls while a massive life or death battle between characters we’ve spent 10 years getting to know happens off screen.

Occasionally Harry and friends enter into the fray, but those scenes are tiny when they should have been Saving Private Ryan with magic.

It’s not all about the spectacle, either. There’s an emotional connection I feel with these characters, students and professors, so I felt cheated out of their stories. You have 276 minutes between Part 1 and Part 2 of The Deathly Hallows. There’s more than enough room in there to give us satisfying final moments to send away more than just the core kids and Voldemort.

Yeah, book geeks might be upset, but what about the folks just like the movies and don’t know what they’re missing? An informal poll after the screening seemed to suggest that the film works better when you’re not hung up on what could have been like me, but I still can’t believe the battle playing as completely satisfying even to non-book nerds.

Let’s take a step back here. This isn’t just a fight over some magical MacGuffin. The Battle For Hogwarts is the final stand where the forces of good risk everything in the face of an evil that seems unbeatable. This is where fate of the world and all the characters we’ve spent 10 years or more with is put on the table. We see everybody from The Order of the Phoenix, kids we met as youngsters in Year One, professors we’ve followed Potter, Granger and Weasley into classes with, all standing up against the worst, most evil enemy this world has ever seen more powerful than he’s ever been. He has an army of evil wizards, he has the most powerful wand in the world… this is a snake-nosed Hitler with the A-bomb.

So explain to me again why we couldn’t split the action between Harry and the people fighting to give him the time he needs to make Voldemort vulnerable enough to possibly defeat? I don’t think splitting the action hurt Empire, Jedi or LOTR much.

There are literally dozens of characters that we know at work and we get bare seconds with while Harry, Hermione and Ron solve puzzles to get the horcruxes. It’s a mistake not to include then from a storytelling perspective, a spectacle perspective and an emotional perspective and it’s a mistake that I feel will be hard for me to overcome as a fan of the series.

Part of the reason is because Part 1 did such a great job setting us up for this final stand. And the foreboding while in Hogwarts as Voldemort and his forces stand outside the gates is amazing. There’s a palpable sense of dread. Jaws in the water. Jason’s in the woods outside the cabin. The clown doll has disappeared from the chair in your bedroom. Voldemort is there, a paltry defense spell the only thing keeping the forces of evil from destroying Hogwarts and murdering everybody inside.

Eduardo Serra’s cinematography is bleak, Alexandre Desplat’s score is filled with doom, the actors all stare out into the black night knowing the storm is coming and it’s brilliant. So brilliant, in fact, that only sharpened the disappointment at missing the Battle For Hogwarts. That’s what you guys just spent 15 minutes setting up! You got us in the mood then went out drinking with your asshole friends!

So, enough bitching about what’s not there. Let’s look at the rest of the movie. I can’t find any fault with any of the performances. Everybody is comfortable in their roles by now, especially Rupert Grint, Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe who bring a close to the characters that have defined them in the public eye since childhood.

Ralph Fiennes really gets to shine in this installment. He gets to gloat, the world’s at his fingertips afterall, but he also begins feeling each Horcrux being destroyed and realizes he’s more vulnerable than he’s ever been. Suddenly there’s real stakes for him and seeing that slight doubt creep in is fascinating, giving the character more depth than he’s had before.

Once again Alan Rickman is shafted a bit (I’ll never understand why they didn’t stress Snape more in this series), but he gets a great emotional closure that is about the best part of the movie. Fans of the book will know what I’m talking about, others won’t so I’ll keep mum on the details, but Snape fans will be happy.

David Yates once again proves to have a great visual style and a knack for getting good performances. His direction isn’t the problem. The little bits of action we get around Hogwarts are actually really well done… I just disagree with him on not including more of it.

Like I said above, this isn’t a bad movie, just a disappointing one for this fan. I understand books and films are different mediums, but I fail to understand how some of these decisions were reached since most of the glossed over stuff is extremely cinematic in nature.

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 is a decent close, with many characters getting one good final moment, but it’s about half of the emotional punch I expected and less than what this amazing series and these fantastic characters deserved.

-Quint
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  • July 12, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    FIRST

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    too see this film @ midnight on the 15th

  • July 12, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Snape gets the shaft AGAIN?

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • July 12, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Potter Reviews - 12 paragraphs of preambling nostalgia

    by Rex Carsalot

    It's not the greatest story ever told. Also, you can read it again if you really want.

  • July 12, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    This series has been fucked for awhile.

    by Lucasblows

    They dropped the ball very early by marginalizing Snape and the backstory. Half Blood Prince barely set up the search for the Horcruxes and the first half of Deathly Hallows pretty much sucked as a result. All in all the series has been a colossal disappointment from Goblet of Fire forward and I expect no less Friday.

  • July 12, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST

    NO EVIL DEAD 4 NEWS?!? WTF!!

    by eoneon

    aint it slow news..... on a2nd note, FIRST! posters can eat my oozing fudge filled hemorroid!

  • July 12, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Agree 100% Quint

    by 2sdaychicken

    Saw it yesterday, and while I enjoyed it a lot (because I'm such a fan), it definitely was disappointing. If anything, I may be taking it a little easy on the flick, given it is hard to dislike anything Potter. I agree with all your points, as it should have been at the very least one of my favorite movies of all time, which it most definitely was not.

  • July 12, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Oh but...

    by 2sdaychicken

    I DO NOT agree with Yates style. Maybe the best looking film of his... but it doesn't hold a candle to Cuaron, or even Columbus and Newell.

  • July 12, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    I am not surprised...

    by Sparhawk38

    it is just par for the course with Yates. I love the visual style. He captured the feel visually almost perfectly for me in Part 1. I just don't understand some of the things that get changed or completely left out. The Dursley's exit in part 1 is an easy example. Baffling. I still can't wait to see it, but I will not be surprised if I agree with this review.

  • July 12, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    eoneon

    by Sparhawk38

    ...nevermind...a2nd...nevermind

  • July 12, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Saving Private Ryan with magic?

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    You do realize this is still "sort of" a children's movie. Actually, I take that back, it's a multi-generational tale, but it also strongly appeals to older/mature children. I think the idea of a hardcore battle sequence with magic, might be too much to ask. Also, and I get why you do it, but movie reviews where the reviewer whines about what wasn't there and how it "should have done this, cause that would have been so much cooler!" always seems lame to me. Judge a film on what it is, not on what you believe it should have been if you were making it. Was the film effective, did it entertain, was it artfully executed, etc. Those are legitimate critiques. When you say "it didn't have enough of the good stuff I wanted" it just sounds like Lucas going back to Empire and saying "But I wanted to SEE the snow monster, so lets add it in" I just don't think that is good criticism. IMO.

  • July 12, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    how can anything where they r waving stupid little wands around be "epic"

    by SPACEHUNTER3-D

    lol ; )

  • July 12, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Snape does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    I’ve not been a fan of Yates, a TV veteran who took over with episode five, but give the man credit: He more than lives up to the challenge of the memorable series ender. The acting is uniformly superb — better than in, say, “The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers” — especially Alan Rickman as the morally ambiguous Snape, who deserves an Oscar for his exemplary work here. NEW YORK POST NEW YORK POST critic gives it top marks and say Rickman is 'deserving of an oscar' so that doesnt sounds like Snape gets shafted?!

  • July 12, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Dropped the ball

    by Randy

    Based on Deathly Hallows Part 1, I knew they'd screw this one up. Quint, I respect your opinion but unfortunately, this IS the directors fault.

  • July 12, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    SNAPE FALLS BACKWARDS OFF A TOWER

    by Mullah Omar

    ...after Ron Weasley unhooks his watch and lets him fall.

  • July 12, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Wait...

    by Tolkoto

    Didn't the books also stay with Harry during the entire Battle of Hogwarts, or I'm forgetting something? A lot of characters died "off screen" in the book. Is that what you're complaining about?

  • July 12, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    HP is at 96% on Rotten Tomatoes off a count of 57 reviews - sounds like Quint is the lone hater on this one?

  • July 12, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    HP7's Tomatometer...

    by Shadow16nh

    ...does not agree. I still have high expectations.

  • July 12, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Accepting less & pretending it's more....

    by Melanie Griffiths Sour Patch

    Yates is not the right director for the material. He's more of a tour guide on a tight schedule than a filmmaker looking to achieve genuine moments. This series has been slap dash at best. The movies make little to no sense to people who haven't read the books and the people who have read the books feel like the movie series is sorely lacking in many areas. Azkaban was well done. Outside of that, the rest are hodge podges that really don't connect. Now that this movie is done the best thing that can happen is this entire series is rebooted in a mini-series a la Game of Thrones in a few years and told with painstaking precision by a new creative force that isn't concerned with pumping out the movies for release dates. I'm not surprised they blew the epic battle that the entire series led up to. They've been doing that all along the way. It's an insult to anyone who has read the books to treat that battle as the background to Harry solving puzzles. Because Warner Brothers controls the series and because they own HBO I fully expect an epic reboot down the road. They can't do it as a film, but what they can do is turn it into an epic mini-series event that will satisfy the fans of the books that want to see the entire universe of the books explored on screen. This movie will make a billion dollars, but it won't come close to reaching the scale of what that book reached when you read it. The most disappointing part of all this is that the films, with rare exception, never lived up to quality of the books or what readers imagined reading them. Devin Faraci said this about Transformers and I believe it applies to Potter and all the other crap we're supposed to love like Green Lantern, "it's success is part of a trend of accepting less and pretending it’s more."

  • July 12, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    How was the 3d?

    by steele8280

    I'm getting tired of all the dark 3d movies due to poor projectionists and conversions and whatnot, so the 3d REALLY has to be REALLY worth it. Like Transformers 3 worth it. Tron Legacy, Thor and Pirates 4 and the like weren't worth it in my opinion. How was it in this one? I'm doubtful about it. Might check out the 2d otherwise.

  • July 12, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    Quint, when did Snape EVER get the shaft?

    by Mel

    You act like Snape is in half the scenes in the books. The only scene I can recall from the books that's not in the movies is during the Yule Ball when he's going around interrupting kids making out in carriages. Snape has been greatly built up. They're not going to create scenes just so you can see more of Alan Rickman.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    David Yates is the worst thing to happen to POTTER...

    by Jobacca

    All of his films have been dull and lifeless....despite covering the most exciting books. It takes a lot of fuckup to make these stories boring,but Yates pulled it off.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Well, Quint

    by seagrass

    Seems like you are one of the very few who has had a lukewarm reaction. It's getting nearly universal rave reviews everywhere else. It seems to me like you are one of those fans who finds it extremely difficult to separate the books from the films.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    I like Quint's reviews but here are a few quotes from a selection of other critics to provide balance... Exciting, gripping and touching, the action-packed final instalment sees this tremendously successful franchise end on a high. We'll miss you, Harry. But oh, what a way to go out. Part II gets everything right to send off Harry on a cinematic high. The Harry Potter saga comes to a spectacular conclusion with a spellbinding sense of emotion, energy and special effects. ... when the film finally ends, when those last few images play out, it is more than satisfying. It is triumphant. Represents big budget filmmaking at its finest and long-form storytelling at its most emotionally rewarding.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Oh boo hoo

    by shawn_h

    There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between HARRY POTTER fans and MOVIE fans. The MOVIE fans don't give a shit what was left out of the book and what was not. Because we care about the MOVIES not the BOOKS! Hollywood does not make movies just for HP geeks, they make them for the mainstream audiences. Its not just about the HP fans, thats really selfish. How about a review about the actual MOVIE and not about whats missing and what isnt. Its a movie, its not the book.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    NYYEEAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!

    by georgecauldron

    asf

  • July 12, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    But...

    by Max Castle

    ...that was my complaint with the final book anyway. I am disappointed that they didn't take a more cinematic approach to telling the end of the story, but I'm not surprised to hear it. These movies have never been bold enough to depart from the way the books are written (with maybe the exception of "Prisoner of Azkaban"), so I'm not surprised that a lot of the cool stuff that happens at Hogwarts gets short shrift, since it did in the book too. Too much "You won't believe what happened here while you were away, Harry!" and not enough SEEING what happened. In the Lord of the Rings movies, Peter Jackson had it right by showing as much of the history of The Ring as he did, rather than leaving it to a bunch of people talking about things, as it is in the book (which I love, but LOTR is a totally different beast, written by a man in a different era, for a different audience). I wish the various directors had taken more chances with this series, and particularly with the way Yates has apparently handled the whole change that happens at Hogwarts. Still very stoked to see the film - just prepared to feel that same sense of "missed opportunities" that I did when reading the book.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Really?

    by funkylovemonkey

    I feel that Mike Newell was a low point in direction... Goblet of Fire is by far my least favorite of the movies, despite being one of my favorite of the books. And for some reason, either it's nostalgia or something else, Chris Columbus seems to get a pass on his pretty poor entries into the series from his overly manicured hogwarts to his inability for subtlety to his workmanlike cinematography. The first two, in my opinion, are the last watchable. I'm not a huge fan of Yates and I wish they had pulled in some other bigger directors for the closing of the series after Cuaron, but I'm happy they chose Yates over Newell or Columbus. Also, a lot of the problems mentioned don't seem to be the fault of the director but that of the screenwriter.

  • I don't get it. I see that you wanted to see more of the supplementary characters during the battle, but that just didn't really exist in the book. ...there are even characters that die that you don't even get a description for. I felt like the book's battle description was pathetic. So many characters that you hear about before the battle starts, but then disappear once it begins. And yes, that's because the story follows Harry - and I think his escapades in the room of requirement are less-interesting than the actual battle...but that's the book's fault, in my opinion. I fully expect to be disappointed in the battle in the movie, but I also think you have to respect the source material. Now, if JK Rowling went to them and gave them exact descriptions of how certain things in the battle played out - particularly how some characters died, then I think they should have included it...but I don't like when film makers make their own version of something... ....like the attack on the Burrow. That was stupid. It made no sense. Why didn't Voldemort just go there and kill Harry? And how about the absurd dance sequence in DH1? That just goes to show you that the writer/director shouldn't be trying to ad lib.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Rickman is just so good...

    by gumbyandpokey

    that it feels like Snape should be the main focus of every film. Saw it last night and it wouldn't surprise me if he did get a supporting actor nomination.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Hello... anyone see it in 3D?

    by steele8280

    How was it?

  • July 12, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    It sounds like

    by seagrass

  • July 12, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    You defended Lucas editing... HA!

    by LordEnigma

    Also, Book snobs are the worst, and will continue to be the worst. Seriously, this is a story about Harry and his friends. Everything else, no matter how magnificent are secondary. It's not Neville Longbottom and the Deathly Hallows. It's Harry Potter and not realizing that with the last film, is sort of silly.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Arghh... It sounds like

    by seagrass

    They've made a final film that will satisfy both avid and casual fans. I'd say you have to view both films back to back in order to get the best experience.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    lordenigma: exactly

    by seagrass

    That pretty much says it all.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    I've never given a shit about these movies..overated

    by Candy ass monkey suit

  • July 12, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    By the way, Drew McWeeny's review

    by seagrass

    is damn fine reading.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST

    I've never given a shit about these Talkbackers

    by seagrass

    who can't spell.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Professor McGonagall and the Grading of the Papers

    by Mel

  • July 12, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Petunia Dursley and the Cooking of the Dinner

    by Mel

  • July 12, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Professor Flitwick and the Stacking of the Phonebooks

    by Mel

  • July 12, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter and the Ain't It Cool Talkback Trolls

    by seagrass

    I smell a sequel!

  • Go back and watch the scene at the start...she's got some massive melons all of a sudden. She did NOT have those in the Half Blood Prince. Also, they're hanging a bit low.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Cobes: Word to the wise ...

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    ... do not take the NY Post's critics seriously. They are the News of the World/Sun of the U.S. Hackery of the highest degree.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Get ready..

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    For Teddy Lupin #1, along w/ his friends Lilly Luna and Scorpius Malfoy

  • July 12, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    I saw this last night. Just be aware this is only HP7 part 2A.

    by detinue

    With part 2B coming out this Thanksgiving and part 2C coming out June 2012.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:24 p.m. CST

    I bet Mr Takagi is rolling in his grave.

    by kingoflight

    I am guessing the movie is just fine though barre a few minor tweaks that the majority won't even notice. I read the book cover to cover and i can't even remember half the shit your talking about anyway lol. Harry potter is certainly a good story and it's come and will soon go but it will always sit up there with the best of the best for a series of films. It's just one of those movies that pulls you right into the world from the start. I've got to admit the story as a blurb sounds shit but the paper it's written on and as a whole is gold.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    At this point, reviews really don't matter

    by seagrass

    This film is critic-proof. People will see it in droves and love it and tell the critics to fuck off and then they'll go see it again and again. If it's a good film, well, that's just the icing on the cake.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter and the Lukewarm Quint Review

    by Mel

  • July 12, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    David Yates Is Horrible!!!!

    by klatu50

    @ Jobacca: I whole heartily agree with you. How do you give an important job to someone who has never directed a major motion picture. He is the worst thing to happen to the Harry Potter film franchise. On par with the Joel Schumacher Batman films. He completely ruined that franchise, until Christopher Nolan came it to save it. Well, I guess we'll have to wait 20 to 40 years before they attempt to remake the Harry Potter franchise.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    In addition to *spoilers*

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    Fred Weasley lying dead in Molly's arms in the trailer, im also guessing that the scene where Tonks and Lupin are reaching for eachother is where they will both bite it, albeit off screen.. At least we got that visual of them together, although the films have definitely downplayed that relationship a good bit. We know it exists, but it kind of comes across as "who farted"?

  • July 12, 2011, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Hey Griffith...

    by LordEnigma

    go run yourself up a fucking flagpole. Those movies are magical and earth-shatteringly great. Each one got better than the previous one but book obsessives like you and Quint, seemingly get hung up on one piece of prose, and if it's not adapted the same way that you see it in your head. You get all bitchy about it. Seriously, your opinion and his opinion are fucking pathetic and if you were a REAL FAN of these CHARACTERS AND THEIR STORY, you'd embrace these movies for capturing that magic but you are an entitled little kid who doesn't get how making movies work. When the person who created those books loves the movies and helped to make them what they are. You basically insult what you apparently love by shitting on 8 films she gave her heart to as much as the books that you supposedly... love. Book obsessives are the worst fans on the net, even worse than horror fans, and I FUCKING REVEILLE IN YOU NOT GETTING WHAT YOU WANT!

  • It's fine if you don't like Harry Potter, but you're obsessed when you live to see it fail, and that means you're in for a big disappointment because it will easily gross $300 million domestically, and close to a billion internationally. You might just have to kill yourself. You're just a stupid mother fucker, that's all. JK Rowling did something that no mortal has ever done. She had children dragging their parents to book stores at midnight so they could buy a BOOK. Not a movie, not a video game, not a miley cyrus CD. a fucking book. And here you are wishing it to fail - after it's already become the most successful book and film franchise in history. You look like a fool.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Ah, genderbender. So delusional. So pathetic.

    by seagrass

    You make me laugh. Deathly Hallows Part 1 made almost 300 million in the USA, and almost a billion worldwide. If you seriously believe that this won't do at least that much well, I've got a few bridges I'd like to sell you.

  • highest rated Potter movie....I won't even type the number. if he reads it he might commit suicide. I dont want to have a part in that.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Melgibson...

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    I'm going to say $500-$600m domestically and about $1.4b internationally

  • July 12, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    I'm willing to bet that genderbender masturbates furiously

    by seagrass

    with a Weta replica of Hermione's wand, while she writhes in ecstasy on top of a bed of Bertie Bott's Every Flavor Jelly Beans.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST

    None of the HP movies are classics

    by jimmy_009

    They are all pretty much disposable entertainment. I guess if I was a kid growing up alongside them they might have some kind of emotional weight to them, but to me they just all kind of came and went with no big impact beyond, yep, they reenacted the books. And I'm sure they'll be remade in a few years, so there's that to look forward to.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    sorry Quint but at this point a review is completely useless

    by matthooper8

    If you have seen all the other films, you WILL see this no matter what. You've invested too much to not see it. If you have not seen the others, you won't. It's that simple. A review is like a Playboy magazine is to Ryan Seacrest, just useless.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Stop giving Azkaban a pass...

    by Andrew Coleman

    That movie wasn't really good. Visually sure but way too many pointless cut away scenes where we follow a bird... Yates films have a better flow just don't look as good. Still look good overall though. Also genderbender is joking I assume. In that long rant it mentions "us normals" right you rag on nerds but you're posting here... Posting a lot. I think you're in the nerd category sorry. Also if you think this movie will fail... Well most of the midnight showings around the country are sold out. That first weekend alone will break the $100 easy. So I do hope you were joking.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Genderbender will be front row center

    by seagrass

    at a midnight showing, wand stuck fast between her legs, lube and popcorn by her side.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Splitting the Action

    by chinofjim

    Quint doesn't mention Phanton Menace... It might have worked in Jedi were it not for the fact that 1/3 third of the narrative involved care bears and Harrison Ford sleep walking through his lazily written lines and The Two Towers died whenever they cut away to Tree Beard It did work fine in Empire, but thats becuase they split up the central trio of major characters.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    genderbender go vacuum something and let the men talk

    by Mel

    get out of here, inferior sex.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    whats a Fang-eek?

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

  • July 12, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    in the exposure we do have...

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    to the battle, i am STOKED to see Shacklebolt own EVERYONE

  • July 12, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    genderbender, where's my sandwich?

    by Mel

    also, do some dusting...particularly around your vagina.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST

    HP series lacked a masterplan (vs. LOTR)

    by ChicagoRonin

    I think the biggest problem with the HP series is the fact that they didn't have a cohesive masterplan for adapting the books, unlike what Peter Jackson did with the Lord of the Rings. If they had been able to wait until the book series was complete (something the greedy studio execs never would have allowed), it would have been easier to take the long view and divide up the story more carefully, and maybe event shift elements from one movie to another. Also, the use of different directors and screenwriters has resulted in jarring tonal shifts (particularly between Chamber and Azkaban), and lack of consistency. That being said, I'm not as critical as the series as some. These were going to be big studio films one way or another, which means big studio decision-making. Overall I've been entertained, and I think Yates has done a pretty admirable job over the last few films. Anyway, the real Potter experience (if you like that sort of thing) is reading the books, and they'll always be around.

  • You know going into these movies they tend to subtract, not add in... the entire series is essentially told from Harry's POV (which makes the revelation of Dumbledore being kind of a prick so much harder for Harry to handle), it would be a complete tonal and storytelling shift to just start intercutting imagery that the book never touches upon (which makes that attack on the burrow so out of left field)

  • July 12, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST

    THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS NEGATIVE REVIEW

    by starmin76

    I really needed something to lower my expectations after seeing that ridiculously high tomatoeater score.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    How is HP "an experiment in filmmaking"?

    by Mugato5150

  • July 12, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST

    mugato

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    there has never been such a massive succession of films back to back like the HP series. I think that was the experiment. I think they tried to recreate that w/ the Percy Jackson series, but the first one was kind of floppish by studio standards.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST

    evolution1085 yeah it does sound that way

    by Mel

    I did feel like the Hogwarts battle should have focused more on the "other" characters...but that's a book complaint. Its better that the movie follows the book. i dont like when writers/directors add their own take

  • July 12, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Best of the series...

    by AotD

    ...by a long distance. I went to the premiere last week and it was the first of any of the films to make me actually get why people love this franchise so much. It was also the first film in the series to convey a sense of urgency, to have something happening instead of stuff going on. Brilliant for Julie Walters to have her own Ellen Ripley moment too.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Oh

    by AotD

    And there are some sequences in this flick that are just down right great film making, visually and aurally.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST

    by Redmantle

    One good thing about this thread, I googled the Onion news report about Green Lantern... very funny.

  • typical chick. doesnt like it when another chick gets more attention than she does. thats why she likes Lord of the Rings - Arwen was only in a few scenes, so she doesn't feel intimidated. Also, she probably fists her cunt to images of Aragorn and his tiny spaced out teeth. Shes the kind of ho that bases the quality of a movie over how many big, meaty men are in it. Hilarious to say the least...but very true.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Fuck the Tomatometer.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Reviews with the highest alphanumerical ratings (A, 4 stars, 5 stars, 10.0) are given the same weight as reviews with B-, 3 stars or 7.0. There's no room for nuance, especially considering that Rotten Tomatoes' editors assign values to reviews with no alphanumerical rating, such as those from the NY Times, the WSJ or the New Yorker. Metacritic is a little better, in that it relies more on scales rather than RT's binary ("fresh" or "rotten"), but even they assign values to reviews without ratings. Both sites are useful in that they provide links to a variety of voices and opinions, but citing their stats as a prevailing indicator of a film's quality is dubious and lazy. So, again, fuck the Tomatometer, and consider it CHOPPED.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Choppah, cheers I will not mention that rag again. genderbender, cheers you have hijacked this talkback in the name of womankind and placed your flag upon its peak. (I particularly liked the part where Seagrass raped you with his mind, like what happened to Counsellor Troi in most every STAR TREK movie). Quint, sounds like your issues are with the book Rowling wrote. You need to read it again, the battle is not described in the kind of detail you wanted to see on screen. Most accounts seem to suggest there's actually MORE detail in the movie than was in the book.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST

    No sweat, Cobes.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Have you seen this yet? I'm afraid I can't make it until next weekend.

  • Laugh out fucking loud ... JK Rowling a sexist because requiring WANDS for magic is some kind of disavowal of the Freudian feminine lack? Get a clue you stupid fucking twit.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Yeaaaaah, this has a 96% in RT at the moment.

    by Dharma4

    I'mma go with them. Besides, Quint, didn't you "enjoy" Transformers 3? Hmm.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    I'm not that huge a fan of the books OR the movies.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    But I have read and seen them all, and it's an enjoyable series overall. I'm not so beholden to the source material, so maybe I won't have the same problems with it Quint did. I must say, though, I'm wary about Snape getting the shaft again. Yates and Kloves really fucked him over.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    choppah

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    I was baffled by how much was left out of Half-Blood Prince, the movie

  • July 12, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Guys, guys. Genderblender is a delicate flower.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    You must be gentle.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Okay, after a moment's thought, screw HILARIOUS, more like TEDIOUS

    by golden tribw

  • July 12, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    avadakedavrainthearseohsnap

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Same here. That was my favorite of the books, and even though much of it was told in flashbacks, it still could have made for a compelling film translation. Quint's right on this point: The filmmakers have really limited themselves by sticking with Harry too much.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    If it's as Quint says I too will be disappointed.

    by FluffyUnbound

    For one additional reason: Because I forgave Half-Blood Prince (film version) for completely underplaying and fucking up the battle surrounding the death of Dumbledore only because I reasoned that they didn't want to do a massive Hogwarts battle in any context but the finale. If they have shortchanged the Battle of Hogwarts, then that retroactively makes Half-Blood Prince that much worse. That will make three serious screwings handed out to Potter fans, when you include the atrocious and lame rendering of the Ministry of Magic battle sequences in Order of the Phoenix. And genderbender, you're kind of an idiot. Are you seriously saying that anyone who thinks Emma Watson was a cute teenager is a hypocrite if they don't follow that up by endorsing Polanski's rape? Really?

  • July 12, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    i was also disappointed

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    how they left out the entire chapter of Harry leaving the Dursleys w/ the weasleys, would have loved to see Arthur put them in their place... Sorry for the sporadic geek-outs on the subject of potterlore

  • July 12, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    goldentribe

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Really, she's not worth getting worked up over. Unless she gets ya hard, that is? You have a chubby, don't ya? I do.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    genderbender

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    hasn't retorted for the last 26..no, 28...29? shit, i lost count... Anyway, she's either trying to scheme up a monster come(talk)back, or this is a simple case of beating a dead horse..

  • July 12, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Azkaban will always be the best

    by double_l88

    The David Yates movies have been pretty good, but nothing is close to what Cuaron did.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Hey, I haven't been around that much the last couple of years.

    by FluffyUnbound

    I have to work my way back up to really getting enraged at other talkbackers. You can't just walk in and whip out the big guns at the first provocation.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    avadakedavrainthearseohsnap

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    genderblender is known for long-winded posts. Get ready for a stemwinder ... my best guess, anyway.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST

    As long as Neville gets his moment, I'll be happy

    by The Funketeer

    He's the true hero of the series anyway.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Kloves was NOT the problem.

    by notcher

    Kloves did an excellent job with the scripts. Yates however can't direct for shit. His films had ZERO emotion, and lacked the charm of the earlier films. I'm rooting for him in this one, but I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Cuaron OWNED Azkaban..

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    Along w/ Rowling and Kloves.. But can you imagine how much better it could have been had GDT actually went ahead and made it? He excels, imho, at dark, bleak and mystical storytelling, which is what Azkaban was founded on.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST

    This is a devastating review. I feel gutted.

    by Jerry Piper

  • July 12, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Chop, I believe I will be seeing it on the 19th.... We must re-ajourn (is that a word?) then to discuss whether it be a hit or a miss. The world will have to wait until that verdict is delivered. Breath will be bated. Oh yes. There will be bating. Much much bating.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:39 p.m. CST

    sounds EXACTLY like the book

    by zooch

    Which always was told in Harry's perspective exclusively, straying from that would have not been true to the source.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    iwantmorelifefather

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    And from what i gather, Quint is one of the only writers on this site with any hint of integrity in his reviews... Not to sure how i feel about the TF3 review though, slightly miffed... I will love this movie regardless.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    @ Quint the problem with you problem

    by teamneedle

    They didn't give us anything but harry in DH1 so your problems with DH should have started back then- to start expecting more in this second half is a bit perspicuous based on the fails that were already obviously present in DH1- I really like the HP film series but I am def disappointed with how DH1 was handled and curious to see if DH2 will disappoint as well

  • July 12, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Is the world really at stake in HP?

    by Hipshot

    Or just Europe? All the schools, almost all the magicians, all the magical references are purely European. Wouldn't you have to bring in Asian, Latin American, Indian and African magical systems before it could reasonably be thought "the world" is at stake? I mean, I love the movies, but please--they don't even involve Americans in any way. We're really supposed to believe that all the most powerful magicians and magical systems are represented purely by Europe? I think not.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Just watched Part I and...

    by chiwrtr72

    had a hard time making it through the movie. It's just bad from acting to pacing to story arc. I've heard fans defend it by saying it was needed to set up part II but you know what? Empire set up for Return and was a great movie in its own right. By the end I wished I was Dobby so I could be put out of my misery. I hope this movie is at least a little satisfying but now my expectations are so low, I am guessing I'll be pleasantly surprised.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    hipshot, no you're right. The fate of the world quote that Quint uses is of his own making not Rowlings. Rowling keeps her story relatively intimate - it's about Harry and the people he knows with occasional references to the wider world made through newspaper headlines or brief comments. It's certainly the fate of Britain but I guess if you want to extrapolate it to the fate of the entire world then you could.

  • The United States in danger? This threatens the very foundations of human civilization!!! Good god.

  • July 12, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST

    problem began with Yates. MORE SNAPE, bitches!

    by dead youngling

    C'mon, how hard is it???

  • July 12, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    How much more Snape do you want in DH2?

    by pikazerox

    After reading several test screening reviews, it sounds like he has even more presence than he did in the goddamn book. Harry even confronts him again, something not in the book at all.

  • July 12, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Yates...

    by LuckyPierre

    I just never got into his directing style and I feel it hurts his films. He seems to enjoy cutting out all the action and what "action" he DOES direct is all the same: jumbled jump cuts of characters running or casting spells. There's no harmony or ballet to the style, just "let's get out of this as fast as possible." And his other stand-by directing style is also piss-poor: slow motion close-ups & more jump cuts, meant to imply "emotion." I freely admit, I've read the books so I know what has and has not ended up on screen for better or worse... but when it comes down to it, the Yates films, to me, are jumbled nearly incoherent messes. I know many people who have complained about the films and my reply has been "you'd understand if you read the books." Their retort is usually "I don't want to have to have read the books to be able to enjoy & understand the movie." They've got a point.

  • July 12, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Also, review of a movie done by a hardcore book fan.

    by pikazerox

    That's a problem. I read the books once, and only after having seen up through DH1 first, and I can tell DH1+2 will easily surpass the book for me, and be my favorite of the series overall. Movie 5 is also much better than Book 5. You're too attached to the source material to appreciate how well the movies get the main points across.

  • July 12, 2011, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Question: Wands Vs. Guns

    by drewlicious

    Are wands any more effective than guns in the Harry Potter universe? Do the books ever touch on this? Because from I can tell from the movies is that if Voldemort ever invaded the regular world his army would be seriously wasted. Last time I checked a trigger is way faster than an incantation. The only thing that would be problematic would be the dementors I suppose and those things always seemed deeply impractical in the wizard world. Seriously, they seem really difficult to control and sucking out someone's soul for escaping from prison is a little harsh. Come to think of it, law enforcement in general seems to be incompetent in the wizard's world. You have suspicious murders and attacks happening left and right in this school and the children are the ones who figure it out. Obviously I'm reading way too much of it and don't get me wrong I love the moves and books but.....I often think there's not much internal logic at work in these stories. But then again there rarely is when it comes to fantasies.

  • July 12, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    A fitting end

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    to a series that never lived up to it's potential.

  • July 12, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    F*ck Potter - HERE'S THE NEW SHERLOCK TRAILER!!! :)

    by marineboy

    http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/must-watch-first-full-trailer-for-sherlock-holmes-a-game-of-shadows/ Enjoy bitchola's :)

  • July 12, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    genderbender=ringwearer

    by DoctorWho?

    Harry Potter is barely a blip on my radar screen. I don't get the appeal but it's cool... geeks will be geeks. <p> But oh how weirdly amusing it is to watch someone get worked-up, obsessive and giddy over the fact that others are 'worked-up obsessive and giddy' over something.<p> And believe me, those who scoff at and demean others for their loyalty or super-fandom over something 'silly' like fantasy movies and novels usually have their own personal shrine dedicated to some equally 'silly' shit... like a sports team, the royal couple, dog shows, etc. Yah...they're so above it all.

  • July 12, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Apple site has Sherlock 2 trailer in 1080p

    by golden tribw

    http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/sherlockholmesagameofshadows/

  • Dobby was a lot less retarded in the books. Chris Colombus JarJarred the fuck out of him in the Chamber of Secrets.

  • It's like some weird derivative of the classic cinematic Sherlock Holmes by way of Wild Wild West.

  • July 12, 2011, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Dobby = Jar Jar

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    tru dat

  • July 12, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Yates IMO hired as a studio puppet

    by performingmonkey

    A guy who had only done TV so i.e. someone with no clout with the studio whatsoever. Therefore they can get him to do exactly what they want and they didn't even have to pay him much, I'm guessing. WB were probably sick of having to agree to input from more established directors like Mike Newell and, particularly, Alfonso Cuaron. Those two made the best of the movies, hands down. I think we can safely say a ton of great directors would have been up for Order of the Phoenix but WB took Yates instead so they could use him and keep him till the end of the franchise with no hassle, no problems, no him wanting to go off and work on other original projects he had in the pipeline etc. He was just a TV director looking for a break into films. Cuaron even expressed interest in returning for Hallows. Who in their right mind would turn the guy down??? Prisoner of Azkaban is the only movie of the series that stands on it's own two feet. Only this and parts of Goblet felt like they were truly set in a magical world. Thank fuck for Cuaron or else we'd be at Hallows and who knows how shitty the general look of Hogwarts would be. Maybe the same kiddie feel from Columbus's films?? Hell, the book will always be better.

  • July 12, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Hey, why Concentrate on Americans?

    by Hipshot

    A billion Chinese? The subcontinent of India? Africa? The Americas? All I'm saying is that it seems to be a European war only, without "the world" at stake. I wasn't disguising anything.

  • July 12, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Yates = bland & unimaginative

    by performingmonkey

    FFS shake things up some!!

  • July 12, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Only said "even involve Americans"---

    by Hipshot

    Because the studio is American, which means that the decisions were deliberate (and appropriate) and not just automatic thinking. But if it's all Europe, which is fine, it seems absurd to suggest that Voldemort is on the verge of conquering the world. I mean, really--is he conquering more than England, even?

  • July 12, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    performingmonkey

    by LuckyPierre

    Totally agree! The ONE good thing they did was hire Desplat to do the music. If they couldn't get Williams back, at least they didn't go back to Nick Hooper. I remember having to listen to Hooper's hideous instrumentals while leaving "Order of the Phoenix..." Here we have a film that ends on this somber, doom & gloomish note... the credits roll... and it sounds like I'm at a friggin' amusement park, having the time of my life.

  • July 12, 2011, 8 p.m. CST

    Fucking David Yates has ALWAYS given Snape the shaft

    by D.Vader

    That guy knows nothing about foreshadowing.

  • July 12, 2011, 8 p.m. CST

    None of the Potter films capture the magic of the books

    by FrodoFraggins

    They are nice films based on much better books. The LOTR films have their flaws but they felt much more special, rather than phoned it.

  • July 12, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Imma gOnna haft agree with Quint on this..

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    They have been building cinematically to the final battle since the fifth film. Each of the films had their final battles lessened or streamlined or

  • July 12, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Dammit I knew it!

    by SpikedBuffy

    I remember an interview with Yates saying how he doesn't really care for battle scenes, and I have a feeling I'll totally agree with how quint feels.

  • July 12, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    lessened or streamlined or

    by LuckyPierre

    ...chopped? :D

  • July 12, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Cont...

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Or in the sixth films case totally deleted and the filmmakers excuse was that they didn't want to lessen the full impact of The Final Battle. If the fuck this up or make it look cheap, it will be truly disappointing. Stick the landing boyos..you've done an admirable job so far. Let's not look upon this as a false dawn.

  • July 12, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU DAVID YATES!!!

    by D.Vader

  • July 12, 2011, 8:17 p.m. CST

    This seems to be the case with the Yates POTTER films.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    They always get GREAT reviews out of the gate, and in two weeks, the movies are largely forgotten even as they march on to huge b.o. returns. Then, within a few months, the consensus turns out to say that they're pretty good or OK, instead the GREAT we'd been told to expect. Oh well.

  • Its the excuse of an uncreative filmmaker. Any filmmaker worth his salt can make TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT battles look TOTALLY DIFFERENT onscreen. One is a retreat. The other is an all-out assault. One has a few characters. The other has EVERY FUCKING CHARACTER in the entire series. Nonsense. Absolutely pussying out is what it was. I'm not holding back.

  • July 12, 2011, 8:18 p.m. CST

    It's a single protagonist story...

    by ProfWimsey

    ... yes, having multiple protagonists (or multiple points of view) worked fine for Star Wars & Lord of the Rings. However, Harry Potter always was a single protagonist, single POV tale. We never follow Hermione or Ron out of the room: if they are out of Harry's sight, then we learn about it 2nd hand. In the book, there was no description of the fighting in places where Harry wasn't. Now, there were book fans who were disappointed by the fact that Rowling didn't provide these details: a few key characters die offscreen, and the book doesn't even say how they died. However, a "purist" cannot complain that the movie skipped details from the book: it sounds like they just enacted what Rowling wrote.

  • That 'single protagonist' tack is bullshit. This isn't CHINATOWN here. There are several characters we're invested in, ones that are integral to the story, and they deserve their moment in the spotlight.

  • So disappointing. I often bemoan the use of Snape throughout this series. Along with Harry and Voldemort he is one of the main characters to the story and they knew that from the beginning. They had JK on board who had it all in her head and notes and they had the books (that had been released so far when they started on the movies). I do hope that they remake this series one day and on a suitable scale (a TV series would be great as long as it had the budget. Although waiting for each episode would be such torture). However, the saddest fact is not that this series has come to a close but that they had such great talent to work with but the direction the films took didn't match the source material well enough. The actors that have featured in these movies are truly amongst the very best Britain has to offer and since their time will have come to an end if a remake ever gets off the ground (or at least they wouldn't want to revisit the same material/characters) they will have to be replaced by more than likely a lesser caliber of actors (I'm sure there will be some highlights but a cast as strong as what we've seen is very unlikely). An example of this occurred within this series when sadly Harris had to be replaced with Gambon (some might say great in his own right and in other work but not up to Harris in this role, or sadly up to his own other work). Since it is way too early to begin debating it I won't even touch upon if they ever did this series with any American actors in the cast. It is sad that this incarnation of Potter has ended and that there won't be any new Potter or anything new with this cast but in my opinion (and that's all it is) it is much sadder that they didn't give us more with such quality of talent. The whole series really could have been much stronger. Snape will never be played by Alan Rickman again and I just can't imagine anyone being more perfect.

  • WHY OH WHY? Don't do me like dat, bra!

  • July 12, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST

    This was the graf that was cut, by the way.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    And don’t get me started on the tiny change they did to Mrs. Weasley’s big moment at Hogwarts that makes zero sense to me. I get that the general public might not notice or give a shit, but I don’t understand why they altered this scene since it would have been the same either way… so why not play it as it’s played in the book (which is much more emotional). I just don’t get it.

  • July 12, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST

    The battle NEEDS to be completely satisfying

    by D.Vader

    David Yates and David Heyman cut out the final battles of the PAST two books. Every defender said "Well, at least the last battle will be right." For fuck's sake, its NOT THAT damn hard.

  • Because David Yates is a fucking idiot when it comes to this stuff. He's done it this way for the past three movies. Every big cinematic moment from the book gets glossed over or gets the shaft.

  • July 12, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    First 2 Potter movies suck, it's fitting that the last 2 such as well.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    The Harry Potter films have come full circle. 3-6 is all that matters.

  • July 12, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Here's a question: do they explain that magic shard of mirror?

    by D.Vader

    You know, the fucking magical Deus Ex Machina that came out of NOWHERE in Deathly Hallows pt I, was never explained, and yet Harry had such a connection to it? Is that EVER touched upon again?

  • That magical shard of mirror is a big screenwriting mistake.

  • July 12, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST

    MelGibson, I mentioned this in the last Potterback

    by D.Vader

    But Yates completely neglected to set up Snape as a possible villain in Order of the Phoenix by having Ron suggest Snape is weakening Harry's mind for infiltration by Voldemort. That was 100% ignored in the movie. As for Snape interrupting kids making out during the Yule Ball, that scene WAS shot. Its a deleted scene for Goblet of Fire. ABC Family integrates it back into the full film when playing the movie during Harry Potter weekends.

  • It's great if you feel emotionally invested in secondary characters like Ron or Hermione, but that never got Rowling to center the story or even the narrative around either of them. Basically, Quint's criticism applies just as much the book as it does to the film. It's not like he can say: "The book showed us Parvati Patil killing Pansi Parkinson: why wasn't that in the movie?" (I just made that up: the book provides no clue as to what happened to either of those two). Book fans complained a lot about this 4 years ago. Rowling never cuts away from Harry to tell us what is happening at Hogwarts during the material that was in Part 1. (She'd never done anything like that in the prior 6 books, either.) Rowling never cuts away from Harry to show us the rest of the battle. I guess my point is that Quint should have noted that the film errs (in his estimation) by following Rowling's writing too closely, not by deviating from it.

  • You obviously just don't get it.

  • July 12, 2011, 8:55 p.m. CST

    The book "stays with Harry" too. Big deal

    by versatol

    The Battle of Hogwarts isn't even very epic in the book. It follows Harry as all of the action happens off scene as well. From the commercials, it seems the battle of Hogwarts is even more grand in the movie version.

  • July 12, 2011, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Even the trailers show us....

    by ProfWimsey

    ... Ron & Hermione in the Chamber of Secrets. The book didn't do that: we get a brief summary from them after the fact.

  • July 12, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Yates' battle probably consists of this:

    by D.Vader

    Lots of witches and wizards pointing sticks at each other and a bunch of whiz-bangs exploding in different places. So much for magic. Its all just point and shoot now.

  • July 12, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    See, this is the problem with this Quint...

    by TopHat

    ...when you're dealing with not fully loving a movie because of problems with adaptation of the source material, you HAVE to be spoilerific. You need to post a full on spolier filled review for the people who have read the books. Compare and contrast scenes from the book and the movie. This is the only way to make a viable point when questioning the movie based on what's in the book compared to what you wanted to see on screen. All of the reviews I've been reading for this movie have been very tight lipped, and, as someone who's read all the books, its extremely fustrating. I actually looked forward to your review, Quint, all day since you hinted you were going to post it soon in the THE DARK KNIGHT RISES poster article. I looked forward to it because of knowing you're a book reader/fan too, and thinking back of your post you did with Moriarty when the last book came out, I thought you'd really delve into comparisons between the book and the movie. But, this review is like all the others, including McWeeny's, not in whether its considered positive or negative, but in how it doesn't give more details. I want to know about Rickman as Snape; I think they've basically watered him down severely in the films compared to how he was in the books. In the books there was always hints suggesting there was something more to him, but not in the films (even though Rowling supposedly told Rickman Snape's backstory when the first movie started shooting). I want to know if Rickman really did give Snape the same emotional pay off that he has in the books, then, how did he do it? Because, again, I haven't seen anything in any of the other movies that suggest the producers were really paying attention to this character. What-about-the-epilogue?? Does it work at all? If not/so, why? What about the deaths of characters. What's with Harry and Voldermort falling off a bridge in the TV spots? What, does Harry NOT defeat him in front of the rest of the characters? I want spoilers. AICN needs to have at least one review that does this.

  • July 12, 2011, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Have to agree with performingmonkey

    by seasider

    Yates is not a bad director by any means but it's clear he was brought on board because he was an unknown who would come cheap for the studio and he was someone they knew they could fire easily if they didn't like his work. I actually liked what he did in parts of Order of the Phoenix but Half Blood Prince suffered from a lot of pacing issues and lazy screenwriting from Steven Kloves. The Dumbledore finale was so anti-climactic, I was looking at my watch while it happened. The first part of Deathly Hallows captured the desperation and bleakness of Harry's world but I thought there were missed opportunities like the scene in the book where Dudley seems to appears to try to reconcile with Harry. The movie also moved so slow that it didn't justify any need to split Deathly Hallows into 2 movies. I'm looking forward to the finale and hope they pull out all the stops.

  • Just like in Pt I, his connection to Grindlewald and the Deathly Hallows. Ignored.

  • July 12, 2011, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Also cut, I imagine...

    by D.Vader

    Buckbeak, the thestrals, the centaurs, the house-elves led by Kreacher, and possibly Grawp, all fighting in the Battle.

  • It's the story of Luke Skywalker primarily, but it's also about the alliance's struggle with the Empire, and there were no issues in juggling the battles in JEDI. Yates and co. have no excuse. None.

  • How many scenes have been rushed through or completely ignored throughout the entire movie series? And not just fun or superfluous ancillary character building scenes, I'm talking about full-on Harry scenes that gloss over all of the stuff he goes through? How many Snape scenes were cut-down? How many times has the script felt more like a check-list than an actual narrative thread? I'm not saying that the films have to have every beat from the books to be "successful." I will argue that enough care had not been put into deciding what REALLY needed to go in them and what doesn't. The movies are what they are and they will be "beloved" for many a decade until someone can finally turn them into the TV HBO/Showtime/BBC miniseries they deserve.

  • He saw Grawp fighting with other giants, he saw Buckbeak leading the thestrals into battle, he saw Kreacher march out of the kitchen with an army of house-elves behind him, he saw the werewolf fall, the centaurs attack Death-Eaters. He saw a LOT of shit. He just didn't see the deaths of two important characters, and that's understood. But I see no reason why the battle can't have cutaways to what everyone else is doing outside Hogwarts. It IS possible to improve upon the material. Of course, Yates thought he was improving with the Attack on the Burrough in part 6, but that was an entirely new scene/sequence. Cutting outside to see McGonnagall take out a few Death Eaters isn't going to suck.

  • ... who's with me?

  • July 12, 2011, 9:55 p.m. CST

    kristy_swanson_makes_me_feel_old I agree with you.

    by moonlightdrive

  • July 12, 2011, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Oh and one more thing

    by seasider

    Nnnnyeeeeeaaaaahhhh!

  • July 12, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    The whole HP Series are Overrated!......

    by BlackBriar

    HP Sucks! The books the movies are all Overrated pieces of Shat!!!

  • July 12, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST

    I just want a remake of the series

    by Yan Dut

    Directed entirely by Nolan, Cuaron, and/or GDT. Or maybe have Nolan make a remake of LotR (to remove the sometimes ridiculous/cringe-worthy moments Jackson put into those movies, despite them being generally pretty awesome), and Jackson remake the Harry Potter series - somehow I feel Jackson would do well there (and maybe insert a serious yet child friendly tone from the beginning, instead of showing silly kids fighting for points - yes, I know this is in the source material, but said source material is not particularly brilliant at that time). Yes, Columbus and Yates ruined the series for me: Yates seems to do best when the source material is weakest - Order of the Phoenix was just very well condensed and much better and more exciting than the bland book it is adapted from). Columbus is the opposite: his work was more of a faithful translation than an adaptation, so the worse the books the worse the movies. Too bad he had those early books to work on, although he did the lion's share of the work with casting, environment creation, etc so I respect that - but those early movies called for a not-so-faithful adaptation. Because for this one it's Yates and the source material is pretty good (just like it was for the last two movies), the movie should be not that awesome. I'll pay to watch the last one (as I did with the others) with as much anticipation as usual, but I suspect I'll be disappointed (just like I was for the last two movies).

  • July 12, 2011, 11:29 p.m. CST

    d.vader thankyou

    by MurderMostFowl

    After reading what you wrote, and myself never having seen a whole Harry Potter movie ( I'll confess to bits an pieces of a couple ), I now totally get why I would get this blank stare from several girlfriends past when I talked about SW or ST or LOTR. I wasn't even nerding out on them... I was just telling basic story elements and they were just like deer in the headlights. I didn't understand practically a damn thing you said :)

  • and in many ways it's a more interesting one. I just can't forgive them for the way Snape has been handled, through every film not matter who the director. I'm surprised JK Rowling has never really talked about this either (unless I've missed it, which is possible of course); the films or just in general about the books.

  • And that's fine, if you take it for what it is (technically, a welfare mom writing fairytales for her kids....). I don't ever judge a kid for liking Harry Potter -- in book OR movie form. Where I take umbrage is when this selfsame children's series becomes a global phenomenon smashing every record except Bible sales and catapults itself into the highest tier of cultural penetration despite deserving nothing of the kind. Why do adults lap this shit up? It's not PC to say so, but the answer is because people are lazy and they're dumb: they elected and then re-elected Bush/Harper, they like offensively crass trash including Dan Brown novels and Britney Spears singles, etc. Harry Potter's fine. It's especially easy on the eyes when it's enacted by a who's who of British film actors backed up by hundreds of millions of dollars. Simply, let's not pretend it's some high art.

  • If you don't read the books then you don't care enough about Dumbledore to know his backstory. It has no real significance on the story - outside of Harry meeting Aberforth. If you HAVE read the books then you know his backstory and you don't need it read aloud to you. That being said, I heard that there is a flashback to his backstory, anyway - but I don't think they should waste their time on it. The didn't even like the Vito Corleone flashbacks in The Godfather part 2. It's why I think it's a decent movie, and certainly not the best ever. Nothing useful can come from knowing the backstory of a dead character...and that's half the god damn movie.

  • Did you notice how Voldemort says "avada kedav..." he doesn't finish the word when he kills Charity Burbage at the start. If you watch closely, you'll see that Voldemort's lips don't even move. So he wasn't even saying it. And it totally sounds dubbed, so I think they shot the scene and then only later realized he needed to say "avada kedavra"...so they just cut it and overdubbed his voice. It comes across as absolutely terrible. THere's other weird edits in that scene too, where people seem to interrupt each other's conversations by answering them before they've even said what they had to say

  • you can clearly see Lupin standing amongst Harry's ghosts in the trailer. I'm sure someone who hasn't read the books figured out what it means.

  • Remember that god awful scene in Revenge of the Sith where Obi Wan jumps in on Grievous for the first time and how awful the dialogue is? I get the same vibe from the Molly/Bellatrix scene in the book. Just corny as hell. Trying to be overly cool or something, I don't know...it just annoys the fuck out of me.

  • Especially the Yule Ball stuff. It was fantastic.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Cartman: "Fags!"

    by Rupee88

    LOTR is not much better but I never understood what adults saw in the books or movies. They make a lot of people happy apparently but so does Transformers 3 and Cars 2. Thank goodness these movies are done and now we just have to suffer the Twilight sequels until something else like this comes along again.

  • And that pissed me right the fuck off as it could have been a big emotional moment but then Yates doesn't do that sort of thing. He's a good shooter, knows how to frame and edit but seems incapable of milking the pathos. Everything he does is very cut and dry. You see this in his other work such as State of Play and Girl in the Cafe. That piece of glass was completely unexplained and pointless. When Dobby shows up in the dungeon all you needed was for Harry to ask "How did you find us?" at which point Dobby would have said "I was sent", "By who?" Harry asks as Dobby explained that he is forbidden from telling. Later you could have revealed that Snape sent Dobby as it was obviously him who lead Harry to the Sword in the water. This would have strengthened the idea of Snape working behind the scene's to help Harry.

  • thank god it got cut. it was bad. and honestly, it makes no sense. harry and dudley have always hated each other. it was stupid in the book. now, the petunia scene where she acknowledges Voldemort and her sister...to me that should have remained. that becomes a pretty important scene later on.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:46 a.m. CST

    HERE'S HOW YOU DO THE HARRY/DUDLEY SCENE IN ABOUT 30 SECONDS......

    by CreepyThinMan

    Petunia is in the car looking fraught. Dudley is being lead to the car by his father and asks "why are we leaving" to which Vernon tells him that "it's too dangerous for them to stay". "But what about Harry?" he asks, "He's on his own" says Vernon. Dudley and Harry exchange a meaningful glance before Dudley runs over, hugs him and runs back to the car. Petunia's eyes are in tears as the car drives away.

  • July 13, 2011, 1:14 a.m. CST

    catchtheman/melgibson - Dudley scene

    by BlackBauer0320

    Part of the reason the deleted scene doesn't work is because of the missing aspect in which Arthur Weasley shows up and is aghast at the way they talk to him/explains how important he is to the world. I think that's really the part that has an effect on Dudley. A hug isn't even necessary, a handshake (given the proper backdrop) would have gone a long way. The scenes between Dudley and Harry always struck me as extremely awkward though, and that deleted scene is about as bad as it gets. Also, mel, I'm surprised you feel that way about Goblet of Fire and the Yule Ball scene. To me, that section has always stuck out as one of the most random, disconcerting parts of any of the movies. Everything from the acting to the music to the forced angst.

  • He was the potions teacher, so obviously he DID teach him...what he meant was that he wasn't in his house, since he was also the head of Slytherin. I always wondered why they didn't make that clear. I guess they didn't want to get into the fact that not all Slytherins are evil, so it was best to avoid mentioning that Slughorn was the head of the house.

  • July 13, 2011, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Harry Potter is about growing up and letting go of childhood

    by chinofjim

    no wonder it doesn't get much love from the Talkbackers

  • July 13, 2011, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Yates...

    by I AM ROCKO

    ...I think is a talented director (loved State of Play) but I think is wrong for the fantasy genre and when the dark magic/adventure is heightened in HBP and DH it really shows- he was fine for OoTP and it is a good film (although a step down from 3/4) but it would have been a solid entry. The last two (sorry three!) films should have really underlined the dark magic elements and expanded on all the other characters and universe...perhaps Yates is not to blame but the producers and screenwriters. And also- really missing John Williams, the last few scores have really been underwhelming- hell I would have settled for Patrick Doyle...

  • July 13, 2011, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Does Anyone Read Books Anymore?

    by NeonFrisbee

    Y'all know this story *actually* ended in, like, 2007, right? See, there are these things called "books" and they have words in them and tell you stories! Btw, the Potter series, as books (I read them all, but only saw the third movie), ran out of steam (imho) around the 4th book. I was kindof over the whole thing by time book 5 rolled around and found the final three books (5, 6, and 7) kinda overlong and tedious.

  • She's already richer than the Queen, and could retire now and live off of Potter for the rest of forever, but how much you wanna bet she cranks out an 8, 9, 10, on up to infinity to keep the cash roaring in? At this point, she could sleepwrite her way through them, make them, like, 1,200 pages long each filled with increasingly dull meanderings and adolescent angst, charge $30 a pop and every bookish 13 year old girl and creepy middle aged pedophile will eat 'em up! Hell, they'll gladly pay double!

  • July 13, 2011, 6:49 a.m. CST

    The 'flashback' scenes in GODFATHER II aren't even flashbacks.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    They tell their own story, establishing a sharp contrast to Michael's. They are tied together thematically, and there wouldn't be a film without the Vito scenes. It's not comparable to Dumbledore's backstory at all, which could be dispensed with during maybe a scene or two. Jesus Christ.

  • July 13, 2011, 7:04 a.m. CST

    re: "'He'? I'm all woman."

    by buggerbugger

    Yes, that would certainly explain why your comments largely make you sound like a man who wants to chop off his cock out of pure self-loathing.

  • July 13, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST

    People still wacth Harry Potter?

    by XxSoulFlyxX

    How sad.

  • July 13, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST

    3D was crap

    by Kelly Roberts

    Very sorry I saw it in 3D...very dark, distracting, you couldn't see entire picture, only the foreground images, so you missed a lot of what was probably good cinematography. Missed a lot of the emotional impact....going to have to watch it again in 2D

  • Who gives a shit? Those illiterate lazy cunts can always read the books if they want further details.

  • July 13, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Murdermostfowl, hahahah

    by D.Vader

    Funny when the tables are turned, huh =). If you've seen all the other movies, each of those characters/creatures I've named have been introduced in a film. Buckbeak was in pt 3, Grawp and the thestrals in 5, Kreacher in 5 and 7. One of the best things about the Deathly Hallows book, I thought, was that it brought every character back for the end. I'm just hoping Yates at least thought to do that.

  • July 13, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST

    I skipped around reading a few of the books; the final one was 'meh'.

    by Orbots Commander

    I didn't find Rowling's Deathly Hallows to be all that great. The earlier Potter books were much, much better. In particular, she seemed to be bored with the last half of the book the climax and big final battle. She pretty much blazed right through it, with a WTF moment that I won't spoil. The final coda/chapter also seemed half-hearted and predictable. I'll be seeing the movie, but I'll be interested to see how Yates, and the very underrated Steve Kloves handled the climax and resolution. To me, Kloves was the real MVP of this movie series and deserves a lot of credit.

  • July 13, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST

    MelGibson, re: Dumbledore

    by D.Vader

    I dunno, I thought it was important for Harry to learn about Dumbledore's past and his relationship with Grindlewald and the Deathly Hallows. It would certainly clear up a lot of things, particularly the Ring/withered hand from Half-Blood Prince, as well as his frightened ramblings after drinking the poison at the end. It also ties back to why Dumbledore had James Potter's invisibility cloak back in the first movie. Something that explains that a bit would be helpful.

  • July 13, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST

    The WTF moment at the end of the book, reminded me of...

    by Orbots Commander

    ...Shia Lebouf's Transformer heaven scene in the awful Transformers 2.

  • I've only seen DH pt I once and that was opening night last year. There were a lot of things I liked about it, but a lot really annoyed me and disappointed me (like all of Yates films). I didn't notice the weird editing in the opening scene, but from what you describe it does sound like they forgot to have Voldemort say the curse and tried to fit it in later through editing. Kinda like how the end of HalfBlood Prince feels like they forgot they hadn't explained the title and went back through reshoots and had Alan Rickman say "I'm the Half-Blood Prince" in a closeup so you couldn't tell the background was a greenscreen or blurry wall. As for the magic mirror, I thought that was one of the most egregious aspects of the movie. So many people, critics and fans alike, were willing to look past absolutely horrid screenwriting when giving the movie a good review. You can't have Harry look longingly at a magical object that has NEVER been in the film series to date and then use that object as a Deus Ex Machina to save the day at the end, and then not have a single character wonder aloud as to what exactly that mirror is. That's terrible storytelling. And it just illuminates how badly Yates handled foreshadowing in previous movies (some blame could be placed at Kloves and Newell's feet for that one too), since the magic mirror was never ever introduced earlier. Hell, they could have had Harry find it in his father's bedroom. My other big problem, and its along the same lines, is Harry's magic wand that shoots fire at Voldemort at the beginning battle. Harry *never* says anything about it during the rest of the movie. That should be a mystery that is set up in the first movie and resolved in the second. But if not one character treats it as a mystery, then the audience won't either. Instead, its just another Deus Ex Machina, something saving the day that has nothing to do with Harry and has no explanation, nor even a hint of explanation with which to expand upon in the sequel. Just because you have a second movie following this one doesn't mean you can have magical objects/incidents make major story plays without some sort of mystery behind them. If you treat them as something strange, a mystery, then the audience will to. Otherwise, they'll sit there and say "what the fuck is that? That makes no sense," until Harry or another proxy says the same. Just bad writing.

  • July 13, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    MelGibson, re: Molly Weasley

    by D.Vader

    I don't remember there being any dialogue other than the famous line. And that reminds me less of Obi-Wan and Grievous and more of Ellen Ripley and the Alien Queen.

  • July 13, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    CTM is right re: the mirror and Dobby

    by D.Vader

    There's no mystery, no question. Everything happens and the characters just accept it, which is bad writing of course.

  • Leaving them out and not allowing Harry or the audience to say goodbye and get closure with them was a mistake, I thought.

  • July 13, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Is that farewell scene a deleted scene on the DVD?

    by D.Vader

  • July 13, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    I also agree with CTM on how to handle the scene

    by D.Vader

    It could be done in 30 seconds and still elicit the proper- and surprising- emotions.

  • July 13, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST

    I completely agree...

    by Mark Anderson

    David Yates is a visually competent director, but whether it is he or whoever approves the scripts, certainly the films onwards from The Goblet of Fire have been missing some important and key scenes and exchanges between characters which has meant emotionally the films are not quite "right". They look like Harry Potter films but that undefinable "something" is missing. Who does one blame: the producers, scriptwriters or the director?

  • July 13, 2011, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Never Understood These Movies -- Someone Help Me Out Please!

    by Lucky13

    I gave each and every one of them a fair shot, I wanted to be able to have some fun with them. I always rented each one as they became available on Netflix, which probably spans DVD/HD-DVD/BD. I never read the books, wasn't much interested in them since they were always called children's books (more of a Stephen King guy)... and it feels like every movie in this series expects that you have read the books and know shit that isn't explained on screen. One main problem is I've never really seen why Harry is the 'chosen' one type character... he's never really shown that he's more magically adept then anyone else, expect maybe one infinitesimal moment in each movie. Everyone is always head-over-heels to protect him. Deathly Hallows pt1 bored me to tears... nothing important seems to happen in these movies. I'm not trolling here... I feel like I'm missing something in these movies that everyone else 'gets'. I'd like to be able to enjoy these things with my kids as they get older.

  • July 13, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Expect = Except -- fuckin' edit button

    by Lucky13

  • July 13, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Hey Lucky13

    by D.Vader

    The fact that you feel Harry isn't that special or very magically-inclined is correct. He isn't. The problem you're experiencing is a fault of the movies, particularly Yates' films which have failed to fill in these blanks and explain things. What follows COULD be considered SPOILERS for Deathly Hallows pt II, if this gets explained in the movie, but I doubt it will. So... SPOILERS! So I'll do my best here: The reason Harry is important, the Chosen One, is because Voldemort made him so (inadvertently). As known since pt 5, Order of the Phoenix, the Predictions teacher, Prof Trelawney (Emma Thompson) made a prophecy that said the one with the ability to destroy the Dark Lord would soon be born. And the Dark Lord will mark him as equal and he will have powers the Dark Lord knows not. Or something like that. Well, a Death Eater heard this prophecy being told to Dumbledore and ran and told Voldemort. Voldemort, trying to cheat death, decided he would kill this baby and nip this problem in the bud. The catch, however, is that two children were born at this same time; it could have been either of the two. One was Harry, the other was Neville Longbottom. Voldemort decided to go after Harry instead bc of who his parents were. Voldemort tries to kill Harry, but of course his mother's love (in her death) created a strong protection spell on the baby. Voldy gave him the killing curse, it rebounded, and destroyed Voldemort's body. This attack left "a mark" on Harry (the lightning scar), thus fulfilling the prophecy in which Voldemort "marked" Harry as his equal. It was all Voldemort's choice. He could have gone after Neville instead. Or he could have chosen to not kill the child, in which case Harry would NOT have the mother's protection spell on him and would not have been essentially "made" the Chosen One through prophecy and choice. So in the end, the only specialness Harry has is what has been thrust upon him by others. And I guess that is Rowling's point. That anyone can be special, its really what we're put in to, what really tests our mettle, that determines who we are. The fact that many have come to help Harry and defend him is proof he has something Voldemort doesn't- the love and respect of others.

  • July 13, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    You lost me at "the first part did a great job..."

    by K-Gin

    part 1 was just a complete mess of a movie...Only 2 good scenes didn't actually have the kids in them...the fable, and when the kids were disguised as adults.

  • July 13, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Ah Quint.....

    by Splinter

    ....between this and the utterly joyless John Carter article, you've lost your mojo man. Take a breather, step away and remember what you love about the movies man, because this isn't the Quint we know and love. I say that from a place of genuine regard for your passion and your writing for the last 10 years. Yours is the single negative voice I've read regaring this film, just as yours was the single negative voice at the JC visit (by your own admission). Go find your mojo again man!

  • July 13, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Great explanation about Harry's "specialness," vader.

    by HoboCode

    Kudos.

  • July 13, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Unable to suspend disbelief

    by izzatrix

    Can't really enjoy the Potterverse stories because they are supposed to be set in modern (or at least post WWII) times and yet mortals are supposedly helpless against wizards. While Voldemort might be protected because of his Horcruxes, the rest of them would go down in about 5 minutes to the long range attacks available with sniper rifles and RPGs. I've always liked the ending of the movie Wizards for this reason.

  • July 13, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    ahthankyou Hobo

    by D.Vader

    =D

  • July 13, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    RIP Roberts Blossom.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    One of the many highlights of CLOSE ENCOUNTERS.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    97%

    by AvadaKedavrainthearseohsnap

    Tomatometer

  • July 13, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Thank You, D.Vader --

    by Lucky13

    I appreciate the time you took to explain. So the main special attribute of Harry is that he doesn't lay down and die like a dog... he stands up and does his best to fight, even though he's pretty much just a standard, mediocre wizard. That would be a great angle if they played it up more in the films. And to think, I've been waiting a decade for this kid to basically become the Wizard version of Neo from the Matrix.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Re-posting my Tomatometer rant.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Fuck the Tomatometer. Reviews with the highest alphanumerical ratings (A, 4 stars, 5 stars, 10.0) are given the same weight as reviews with B-, 3 stars or 7.0. There's no room for nuance, especially considering that Rotten Tomatoes' editors assign values to reviews with no alphanumerical rating, such as those from the NY Times, the WSJ or the New Yorker. Metacritic is a little better, in that it relies more on scales rather than RT's binary ("fresh" or "rotten"), but even they assign values to reviews without ratings. Both sites are useful in that they provide links to a variety of voices and opinions, but citing their stats as a prevailing indicator of a film's quality is dubious and lazy. So, again, fuck the Tomatometer, and consider it CHOPPED.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Pretty much, Lucky

    by D.Vader

    He's a normal kid, albeit one who is severely mistreated like Cinderella, who finds out he's a wizard and gets to go to a fantasy-land where he has friends who like him for who he is. Then he finds out he's supposedly "special" and is supposed to be some sort of savior to all the witches and wizards, only he doesn't feel like a hero, and he doesn't feel special or feel like he's better or more powerful than others. And he's not. But because he has to be that person, bc its all tied to him, he doesn't lay down, he doesn't hide, he doesn't stop. He does what he must... because he must. Exactly. But he's not going to suddenly become a super-hero, the ONE who knows more magic than Dumbledore or Voldemort. But he's not close-minded and blind like the latter, he knows love, he has love, he has friends and allies willing to die for him, and that makes a big difference.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    it doesn't surprise me that they fumbled this...

    by Dancingforever

    Often times the translation of written material to screen falters, especially the heavy emotional moments. I worry how they will translate things like Jon Snow’s death in a Dance with Dragons to the small screen. These moments are best left in the hands of a capable director.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Some more, Lucky

    by D.Vader

    So the main special attribute of Harry is that he doesn't lay down and die like a dog... he stands up and does his best to fight, even though he's pretty much just a standard, mediocre wizard.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Ah fuck it cut off the rest of my post!

    by D.Vader

  • July 13, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Ah fuck it cut off the rest of my post!

    by D.Vader

  • July 13, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Fucking AICN

    by D.Vader

    Did it again. My point was, Harry is a regular person. Had Voldemort not made Harry special, had he not tried to cheat death and ignored the prophecy, Harry would just be another regular joe, a nobody. And Voldemort would probably be nigh-unstoppable.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Harry Potter = 8 indistinguishable movies with interchangeable plots

    by smudgewhat

    after 4 of these i'm like WTF is going on and why should i care?

  • July 13, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Fuck you, dancingforever .

    by HoboCode

    Fucking little bitch.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    God I hate some of the little cunts on this site.

    by HoboCode

    Petty little-dicked momma's boys that get some thrill from fucking over people with the power of spoilers becasue they're unhappy. FUCK YOU, dancingcunt. I just remembered why I quit this site for 6 months.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Ignore dancingforever's post.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    He may be lying, he may be telling the truth. Either way, it's a nasty little cunt move.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST

    d.vader - deleted scene, CHOPPAH - RT

    by BlackBauer0320

    It's on the blu-ray sir, so I would assume it's on the DVD as well, yes. And well said, as always, in your explanation as to how Harry becomes who he is. It is all of which you stated that makes him heroic and compelling. And indeed, as lucky stated, that's never really been underscored enough in the movies. CHOPS - While I somewhat agree with your post about RT, keep in mind that the site does still compile an overall number rating for the film as well as simply "fresh" or "rotten." I always look to this number more than the overall percentage. Thus, my expectations for HPDH2 remain quite high because it is not only pulling in 97% but also an average score above 8, which is relatively rare.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I hope this is the last of these kiddie films.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    I can't take much more of Rowling and her books aimed at 5 year olds.

  • July 13, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    You can't make great films out of books aimed at 5 year olds.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    So why is anyone surprised this isn't that brilliant? Rowling's just a very average kids book writer who's been massively overhyped over the years. Don't try and convince me these books aren't anything other than something that should be in the childrens section at the local library. That's all they are and all they ever will be. Same with the films.

  • While the "device" is similar, I suppose, it's able to be pulled off by Rowling because of the characters, the situation, and the fact that it's a fantasy world with magic. There's an actual explanation for exactly why Harry is where he is. The Transformers scene is convenient and hokey and is not based on any rules that have been established earlier on, thus coming off as completely random. It's just a typical example of Bay thinking he has some "epic" scene that is completely lacking because there's no real reason to care about it.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Re: Kings Cross scene

    by Orbots Commander

    So when he comes back, is Harry invincible/not able to be re-killed? I just thought the way Rowling handled that was really confusing' and his 2nd showdown with Voldemort. And for clarity's sake, it was inferred that his lightning bolt scar was also gone, right?

  • July 13, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    lordoflight

    by Orbots Commander

    Disney's Bambi, Pinocchio and Peter Pan, would prove you wrong; all kids' films based on children's stories, yet all brilliant *films*.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Saving Private Ryan with magic....WTF Quint?

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    How the fuck can you have a SPR type battle in a kids film about a boy (now teen) wizard? If they did that you'd have all the parents trying to sue the film makers for scaring their kids.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    LordofLight, clearly you haven't really read the stories

    by D.Vader

    Because if you had, you'd know its wrong to simplify it in such an exaggerated manner. These are certainly not "for 5 year olds". And Orbots Commander already did a great job of proving you wrong.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Orbots Commander

    by D.Vader

    DEATHLY HALLOWS pt 2 SPOILERS!! SPOILERS!!! No, Harry is not invincible, nor unable to be killed (but it certainly looks that way to EVERYONE else, which is huge in terms of demoralizing the enemy and pumping up your allies). It all comes down to the wand, which is what saves the day. All Voldemort did was kill his own Horcrux. Because it was a killing curse, it took Harry with him to that Limbo area (or perhaps a hallucination), but the Horcrux was what was affected first and foremost. I don't remember if his scar disappears, or if it just never hurts again.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    They certainly are for 5 year old kids d.vader.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Stop pretending they're something they're not. The whole premise of a bunch of wizard kids is straight out of Enid Blyton (though she was a much better and more imaginitive writer than that stupid Rowling cow). It doesn't matter if Rowling has Harry fuckin Potter getting his head blown off..........they'll always be what they are --- childrens books.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Ok orbots you CAN make good films out of kids books.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    But I've had the misfotune of being dragged along to see some of these Potter flicks and the misfortune to watch them on the tv (I was forced) and they're just average kids films.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    orbots commander

    by BlackBauer0320

    (SPOILERS, of course) I'd have to read that section again but I don't think he was invincible at all. He made the choice to return again instead of dying The scene can certainly be interpreted in a variety of ways. And his scar was definitely not gone, given the final line of the book.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Again LordofLight, have you read the books?

    by D.Vader

    Because if you had, then you could speak with authority about whether or not these are for 5 year olds, or whether or not the content contained within is suitable for 5 year olds. But so far, you haven't said yes or no. Therefore, you have no clue as to whether or not you are correct (and you aren't). And I haven't heard a solid explanation from you as to why something geared towards children can't be great.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    A head getting blown off the body, lordoflight

    by D.Vader

    (in a realistic manner most unlike Looney Tunes, mind you) ... Automatically means its not meant for 5 year olds. You can't possibly have made such an ignorant statement.

  • July 13, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    vades

    by BlackBauer0320

    It's probably not worth the trouble, he's already clearly stated that no one can convince him otherwise. To each their own.

  • July 13, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    lordoflight your logic is completely idiotic

    by Mel

    Here's a list of movies that are for "5 year old kids" based on your logic that - if a movie has minors in it then it's for 5 year old kids (and since most of the HP stars are 20 somethings playing 17 year olds we'll also count movies where the actors are SUPPOSED to be minors but really arent)... 1. The Goonies 2. The Phantom Menace 3. A.I. 4. Back to the Future 5. Aliens 6. The Exorcist 7. A Nightmare on Elm Street 8. Friday the 13th 9. Poltergeist 10. Gremlins all movies for 5 year olds, right? fucking retard.

  • July 13, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    You're right blackbauer

    by D.Vader

    Too bad too. I usually thought lordoflight was a bit more level-headed than that.

  • If they weren't going to bring it up, why not just have Harry see Voldemort and willingly cast at him for the same results? You can clearly see Harry isn't paying attention and the wand acts on its own, so it's just confusing. I doubt it's referenced in part 2. No one's going to remember it, and I don't know how Harry would even bring it up so late. Makes me wonder if that was a scene that got cut.

  • July 13, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Harry's wand acting of its own accord / mirror

    by pikazerox

    The explanation in the book for Harry's wand acting on its own was pretty stupid, as was most of the wandlore mumbo jumbo. I think they just included it in the movie to have some "exciting" action between Harry and Voldemort during the 7 Potters chase. Speaking of the 7 Potters, does nobody else see how retarded that idea is? Have someone apparate Harry right in front of the barrier to the Weasley house, and then just run through. Voldemort will not pick up on the trace in time. On Sirius's mirror, I heard that it's lightly explained in Part 2, however when and how Harry got it is not made clear. They should have just had Dumbledore leave it to Harry in his will.

  • all you gotta do is drop a ring into a volcano. eagles will save Sam and Frodo but they wouldnt carry it and drop it in, right? why not just get in a boat and go all the way around to mordor rather than walking right down the god damn middle? why is it that Gandalf is a wizard but seems to have no spells which can help. I put a lot of the HP stuff in this category, especially the 7 Potters. Mad-Eye even tells Harry he's not allowed to apparate himself due to the trace....but side-along appatition is obviously ok since he does it several times with Hermione shortly after that. I always thought that Sirius' mirror was a bit dumb regardless of whether or not it was explained in the movie. I'm guessing the reason they left it out of the Order of the Phoenix movie was because they ASSUMED it wouldn't be brought up again....but even I could when I read the book that it would have to be used later (just not for what I thought it would be used for). So maybe we should blame that one on the dolt who wrote it. I forget his name, but it wasn't Steve Kloves. That was the ONE he didn't write. I don't mind the idea of Harry's wand fighting Voldemort's wand.....except it didn't happen in The Goblet of Fire, so obviously it was something JK Rowlng came up on the spot years later.

  • July 13, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Who is worse - genderblender (with an L) for her

    by jim

    "I hate everything you nerds like because I like it but hate myself for liking it" rants? Or genderbender, who reposts genderblender's posts (a few of those above are from the TinTin TB) and pretends to be her for no other reason than to be a dick? That's some pretty cowardly trolling, dude.

  • July 13, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    DancingForever You Cunt

    by bod33

    Thats all i got to say . YOU ARE A FUCKING CUNT

  • July 13, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Over $30 million in pre-sales

    by Cartagia

    I'm looking forward to Captain America as much as any other geek, but to say that Potter won't crush it is pure denial.

  • July 13, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I'm with MelGibson

    by D.Vader

    I could tell from reading the book that the magic mirror would be important later on too. And so what if it didn't turn out to be so vitally important to the plot? Would it have been so terrible to see Harry left with a memento from Sirius there at the end? As pikazeroz says, it could easily have been something left to Harry by Dumbledore in his will. Sheesh.

  • July 13, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Note about the above post

    by D.Vader

    The mirror DID become vitally important to the plot. I was playing devil's advocate suggesting that might be what the filmmakers were thinking when they decided to excise its inclusion in movies 5 and 6, that it might *not* be vitally important. They were wrong.

  • July 13, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Good post Quint

    by MovieGeekBlog

    I personally really like Part 2. Here's my review http://wp.me/p19wJ2-o6

  • July 13, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    You HAVE to read Red Reed's review...it's hilarious

    by Mel

    I don't want to give away any spoilers, you need to read it for yourself...but he says some of the most ridiculous things, ever. he has no idea what's going on with the movies and it's funny seeing him write about them. almost every sentence has a "fact" that is incorrect. wait until you see what he thinks the deathly hallows are http://www.observer.com/2011/07/harry-potter-saga-comes-to-a-thrilling-end-in-the-final-film/

  • July 13, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST

    That is quality reading mel

    by BlackBauer0320

    The one line that you commented on, in particular, gave me a quality laugh.

  • July 13, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    The problem with the HP series...

    by nemov

    I'm not a hater. I took my siblings to see the first movie. I hadn't read the books and after seeing the first film I had no interest in reading the books. I didn't really care for the movie. I've seen bits and pieces of the others and it's just not that great.

  • July 13, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Oh man, Reed's comments on the Horcruxes...

    by D.Vader

    as the kids gather in an underground hideout to plan their strategy to seek and destroy the remaining horcruxes, which are the wands made of unicorn hairs and the heartstring of a dragon that make Lord Voldemort invincible.

  • July 13, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    nemov, I don't understand your post...

    by Mel

    You said "the problem with the HP series...." and then didn't actually give a reason. Did you mean that, after seeing the movie, you didn't have an urge to read the books and that's the problem? The reason I got hooked was because Chris Colombus made a throwback fantasy movie. I grew up in the 80's so to have a vintage style 80's fantasy flick was remarkable to me.

  • July 13, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Wow. Where is dancingforever?

    by proevad

    Pussy ass little bitch. I'd almost be willing to pay a good sum of cash to get this guy's real identity right about now.

  • July 13, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    The reason the mediocre HP movies made so much money is

    by MoaKaka

    because people are addicted to the HP world itself (book stories, the characters), and the movies feed that addiction. It doesn't really matter what the quality of the movie is, it's the subject matter that guarantees big box office. Face it, the only really decent movie were the first and the third. Each one had its own "vision" that the directors were able to clearly present on screen. And before anybody gives me shit about the first movie, it had unique, albeit childish feel to it. But it WAS a children's movie. These are children's stories. From book/movie #4 and onward, both the author and the movie makers started to take themselves too seriously and pretend they are writing/filming adult tales. No, sorry, just because people die doesn't make the story adult. The writers and filmakers COULD have told an adult story if they had the talent to do so -- but they don't. Instead of accepting their limitations like Colombus did, they tried to pretend they were making sweeping, epic adult movies -- and they failed miserably at it. Also, where the hell did their huge budgets go? Most of the sets are re-used from movie to movie, the cgi looks pretty shitty for the most part, and they deliberately cut out scenes that SHOULD be there (like the battles) bbut were probably too "expensive" to film. So where did all those hundreds of millions of dollars go? It's as if they deliberately make these movies cheaper than they should be so they can pocket more of the production budget. I really, really, don't get all heaps of praise for what are just mediocre movies.

  • July 13, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    What a bad end to a great series...

    by elsachmo

    The last couple of Potter movies have easily been the worst of the series. It makes me so mad that they refused to actually get a decent Director after all the great ones that came before. I know Cuaron wouldn't come back, but pretty much everybody, including the stars themselves name his style as the best of the series, and then they go and find someone as far from that as possible who wants to turn it into Twilight.

  • July 13, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST

    ROTTEN TOMATOES 95% - 100% CREAM OF THE CROP

    by dahveed1972

    So all you HP geeks can come down off of the ledge. Its shaping up to be the best reviewed installment of all of them. And, seriously, does ANYONE come here for the reviews?

  • July 13, 2011, 7:11 p.m. CST

    And, personally, i could give a fuck about HP

    by dahveed1972

    Theyre fun movies, but the books never appealed to me. You should all be doing backflips that they turned out ok.

  • July 14, 2011, 12:24 a.m. CST

    elsachmo tell me, what did Cuaron do that was so great?

    by Mel

    Aside from the absurd continuity errors he added to the series, what did he really do? here's what i saw that he did... he turned the series into a Leslie Neelson type of slapstick comedy. Dudley getting hit between the eyes with a bead...having his eyes cross as his head falls back and he does a Chevy Chase fall. THen you've got Neville Longbottom trying to open the Monster Book of Monsters. He gets up and does the cliched "I'm ok" only to be brought down again. what a zinger! or how about the worst werewolf design in film history? how about a "why the long face?" joke. or every idiotic thing the shrunken head(s) say during the movie or how about replacing Tom with a hunchback because I guess hunckbacks are supposed to be funny, right? how about Sirius Black at the start, when disguides as the dog - barking at harry. why the FUCK would he bark at him? how about cliched cowboy yells anytime someone rides Buckbeak? Happens 3 fucking times - the only 3 times anyone rides him. How about overdubbing "that was wicked, harry!" into the movie, which was a clip from the Sorcerer's Stone. It sucked then and it sucks now. speaking of continuity errors, why is Scabbers 5x as big in this one as he was in The Sorcerer's Stone? Oh wait...he made them wear jeans. He's a genius. you win.

  • July 14, 2011, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Yates sucks!!

    by lordgrimplemort

    Glad to see I'm not the only Yates hater here. I can't understand why the critics have loved his installments so much. For me they feel totally dead. All the fun and emotional impact the first 4 films had just wasn't there on the last few for me. I was so underwhelmed by OOTP that I thought for sure they'd replace Yates for the last ones. I hate the lack of natural colors--seems that the entire world is blue or grey or green in most scenes and even the music seemed flat. Any chance of a remake of 5 through 7? (Preferably with cloned Richard Harris as Dumbledore)

  • July 14, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Best reviewed installment

    by proevad

    and maybe the best reviewed major movie of all time as far as i can see.

  • July 14, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I saw this in 3D

    by TheSeeker7

    I was fortunate enough to get attendance into a free screening this past Monday night, though I didn't know it was in 3D til I entered the theater. I was greatly discouraged, as I fundamentally don't like the "gimmick". But so this wound up being my first 3D film I've watched, and while it was of course overall unnecessary, it at least didn't genuinely hurt the film, which I was afraid might very well happen.

  • July 14, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    HEY, ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN TENT: THE MOVIE

    by BSB

    I'm so in on this one.

  • July 15, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Well, I stand corrected: Quint was right (kinda)

    by seagrass

    Yates and Co. fumbled the VERY END of the film; basically, everything after Snape's (excellent) death scene. Sigh. Sorry, Quint.

  • July 18, 2011, 8:03 a.m. CST

    this series has been a great dissapointment overall.

    by baronweazle

    I loved the books, but looking back on the movies the first film is kinda fun as a christmas film and the fourth one has its moments. For the rest they dropped the ball on all of them. And don't get me started on that alfonso cuaron one, that one was the worst of all!!