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Harry's DVD PICK & PEEKS: 1st week of July, 13 ASSASSINS, DAS BOOT Blu, HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN, Raquel Welch in Suede pants and more!!!

Published at: July 4, 2011, 11:57 p.m. CST by AICNStaff

Hey folks, Harry here with the rather short DVD Picks & Peeks from this week. Not a lot coming out today that caught my interest. But there’s some awesome titles here. As usual, the pictures and links take you to Amazon where you can learn more on the titles in question, or purchase them, which gives a small percentage of the price to help support this column. For that, I thank you. It really does mean a lot. Because this week was so light, I did a preview of one of my fave titles from next week. Enjoy!

Tuesday, July 5th, 2011





13 ASSASSINS Blu Ray

Here on Aint It Cool News, we’ve been advocates for the Miike Cult from pretty much day one of AICN. Then something monumental occurred last year. Takashi Miike released 13 ASSASSINS – and all of us Miike lovers were suddenly slapped squarely across the face by Miike and told… “I have only just begun to make cinema!” And our collective jaws dropped – notions of Semen titles dripped down the drain of our memory, because Takashi Miike left that aside – and decided to make something several levels classier and more cinematically powerful than anything he’d done before. His greatest film prior to this was ICHI THE KILLER. Looking at that now, I love the pedigree. Love it. Some may argue that AUDITION was king. And then there are those that the HAPPINESS OF THE KATAKURIS reigns supreme. NOW – collectively we agree that 13 ASSASSINS isn’t only the best Samurai film of the post-Akira Kurosawa age, though I would suggest you check out TWILIGHT SAMURAI before delivering that verdict… but I’ve also heard serious cinephiles suggesting it rivals the best of Akira Kurosawa.
All that said. Whatever the case may be, Miike made 13 ASSASSINS and now we live in a world where there’s a working filmmaker who has the potential to make a film like 13 ASSASSINS – and that my friends is a fucking awesome world to live in. Oh I’m sure we have disappointments ahead, but what if it gets better. What if one day Fox goes absolute batnuts insane and gives Miike WOLVERINE – and we collectively explode with geekgasmic joy. There’s a point in this film where you realize exactly what genre the last act is going to be. At that moment, 13 ASSASSINS is the best film ever. It just does amazing things that nobody should ever spoil for another. Just know, it is simply brilliant. That the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts & sciences did not recognize this film is a crime. Perhaps it’ll be up for this year’s. Not sure how it’s release date domestically works. Also, JAPAN would have to officially nominate it – and they’ll totally nominate SPACE BATTLESHIP YAMATO instead. (pssst… the world should be my play thing).
The Blu-ray is gorgeous. This is a film to set alongside those Kurosawa Criterions you have.




DAS BOOT Blu-Ray

Lest you think that 13 ASSASSINS is the best film of this week’s column, think again. That belongs to DAS BOOT – which is getting it’s 208 minute cut and 149 minute cut put onto two separate discs in this release. I’ve always preferred the 208-minute cut… though, truth be told – I love the Mini-series cut of this film too. In fact, DAS BOOT is simply never enough. I love this film. I drink up the claustrophobia, the men’s fear, the humidity this film gives you.
How great is DAS BOOT?
You will root for Nazis. You’ll cheer for them, fear for them and you will cry a bit too. DAS BOOT is the film that’ll keep you out of SUBMARINES – not that they’re anything like this anymore. U.S. Military subs have ICE CREAM machines in them. No such delights here. Discover why every film Wolfgang Petersen has made since this… runs at least 2nd to this.
DAS BOOT is brilliant acting, scripting, scoring, cinematography, editing and the fucking sound design. Jesus Christ, when the bulkhead is freaking spazzing out. It’s crazy. This is DAS BOOT. I know there are many younger readers of AICN. There was a point in time, when Film Geeks clutched this film, Woo’s films, Besson’s films, a Ringo Lam flick or two – and we prayed to see them on dupey illegal vhs copies. Luckily DAS BOOT lived on the college theater circuit at least twice a year – and we never missed it. This is as good as these things get. A truly brilliant film. Lots of extras.




HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN Blu-Ray

This is a triumph for all of you geeks out there that dream of being a filmmaker. The story of Jason Eisener and HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN is an epic one. Watching this film, that this film exists. That there’s an iPad app 8-bit game? That Jason Eisener got to direct the Roy from BLADE RUNNER? Verhoeven’s greatest collaborator? Fucking RUTGER HAUER is… HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN!
The resulting film is an acetylene torch on meth & acid. It is gratuitous, over the top, ridiculously sweet, constantly charming – and it will push the limits of the color in your Television.
HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN takes place in an aggressive Universe… not quite in the Post-Apocalyptic world, but the Nearly-Apocalyptic World. NAW for short. Imagine if Paul Bartel, Jack Hill, Corman-era Demme and vintage classic TROMA all combined to make an insane film called HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN starring Rutger Hauer. The gore is on like the fountains at the BELLAGIO, constant and throughout… sometimes changing colors, but usually just consistently smile inducing.
Of all the films that I’m thanked in their end credits – HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN might be my fave. Just because it is so unrelentingly what it ought to be. Nobody made Jason compromise an ounce on this bitch. This is Jason’s Grindhouse CITIZEN KANE. He throws everything at us – and it makes me so happy. Watch the film, SHOTGUN mode. The behind the scenes will make you want to get your friends and shoot something, anything fun.




WAKE WOOD Blu Ray

This movie made my wife and I promise – that no matter how heart broken we might be, if, GOD FORBID, our future child (none on way right now!) happened to die – that we, would absolutely not attempt to use dark magic – or join a crazy fucking cult in order to bring our child back from the dead. These things never end up the way you hope. It’s guaranteed to make things worse. This film is another from the new found HAMMER Horror. For me, it’s their best original work of this new age. A couple loses their child. Moves to a creepy fucking community. The community “helps them”. There are consequences. It is a horror film. It is fucked. It rules. That’s pretty much all you need to know. For many adults, children are creepy enough. Undead Children. THE. FUCKING. WORST.




OVERBOARD Blu Ray

I saw OVERBOARD like 20 times on HBO my senior year of High School. I’m not sure if it was worthy of that, but… I love Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn. I love the idea of them. I love their personalities, I like imagining them in just about every movie. I’ve only ever met Goldie. It was back before AICN, she came into my booth to buy some vintage Movie Posters. Her barely teenage daughter was with her. And frankly, she was just magical to talk film with as she went through the stacks of posters. But when I rewatched this film for the column, I was delighted to see that it’s Screwball Comedy held up – and that Kurt & Goldie’s absolutely magical chemistry is just something to behold. I wish they had made about 30 of these. Just fun crazy romantic comedies. But then, that’s how I feel about Kurt Russell. There’s not nearly enough movies starring him.




HANNIE CAULDER Blu Ray

Think if KILL BILL were a Western Revenge flick instead of Kung Fu. Raquel Welch as the impossibly sexy badass gal. Working with Wild-eyed Jack Elam, Christopher ‘fucking’ Lee, Robert Culp, Ernest Borgnine, goddamn Messala, Strother Martin – and Diana Dors as a Madame! While nowhere near as epic as Burt Kennedy’s most awesome flick, THE WAR WAGON with Wayne & Douglas! I could watch Raquel in suede stitched in pants… all fucking day, every day… and did I mention them britches is in 1080p? Cuz it totally is. And it is appreciated. But oogling aside, HANNIE CAULDER is a good Revenge Western headlined by one of the hottest gals of all time. Nothing but good here!




CRACK IN THE WORLD Blu Ray

Remember that time you watched THE CORE – and you actually had fun with it? Cuz, if you did. That one time, when nobody was looking. You’re gonna really love this. CRACK IN THE WORLD may not have stunning modern day visual effects… but, ya know… it’s a helluva thing to see an apocalyptic end of the world disaster film, that doesn’t concentrate on the visuals – but rather has a great script, great characters and some pretty damn fine acting. A film that genuinely builds the dread of the impending doom of man. Kinda can’t believe I saw this on Blu-Ray. Never seen it in a theater. This was just so many steps up from when I saw my VHS recorded on 6 hr speed version. Heh. Wow.




TRAILERS FROM HELL! Vol. 2

Ya know. I love TRAILERS FROM HELL. It’s simply a great site, a great idea for a site, and Dante has just done a brilliant job of it. BUT – I don’t really care for this DVD. The visual quality I get from sending the TRAILERS FROM HELL from my Computer to my screen is higher than the resolution coming from this DVD. Yes, you get a copy of the original, brilliant, great LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS – but again – you can get a better copy of that film – and frankly if you’re buying TRAILERS FROM HELL, you already have LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS – and if you don’t. FUCKING BUY THIS NOW! I want a Blu-Ray – with every TRAILER FROM HELL ever in 1080p, and P.I.P. of the Director talking the entire time.

Like I said, slim pickens this week. But next week we’ll be looking at THE LINCOLN LAWYER, RANGO, INSIDIOUS, ROBOT CHICKEN: STAR WARS III, ARTHUR remake, BRAZIL Blu, DAMNATION ALLEY Blu, BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS Blu, BUSTER KEATON Short Film Collection Blu, Women In Prison Triple Pack, NAKED Criterion Blu, MIRAL, DEADTIME STORIES, DINOCROC VS SUPERGATOR, THINGS and perhaps more.   Due to the lack of titles this week, I thought I'd throw you one of my faves from next week as a bonus.   This is so cool...





DAMNATION ALLEY Blu Ray

Decided to give you a preview review of DAMNATION ALLEY, as I watched this disc last night, in a double Red Sky feature with NIGHT OF THE CREEPS – like the Twitter follower that suggested Criterion’s Blu of ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS for a triple bill, but I have to say – watching DAMNATION ALLEY on Blu Ray was a great way to kick off the 4th of July. Here in Austin, due to the heat and lack of consistent rain, we had a total ban on Fireworks, so cinema again to the rescue. DAMNATION ALLEY features the most badass Post-Apocalyptic Comfort Vehicle of all time. I love that thing. I love the trippy sky. The flesh eating cockroaches, the giant scorpions and fucking bastards they must deal with. It’s a film busting at the seams technologically speaking. Wanting to be so much bigger. Hearing that Steve McQueen was once in consideration for the George Peppard role… my god. I love Hannibal in the flick, but I would’ve loved to see a more A-production of this title. Which is basically what the special features will be pitching you the viewer. Going back to Roger’s novel would be fantastic. But nothing will ever be as cool as that vehicle in this movie. It’s just so cool. Apparently some guy in San Francisco bought it. Lucky bastard. Can you imagine camping in Yosemite in the Damnation Alley vehicle? Driving through Utah? That guy is cooler than all of us.

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  • July 5, 2011, 12:09 a.m. CST

    happy fourth!!

    by wattos new hat

  • Will Takashi Miike's Bluray output be cut likewise? Who knows..... But 13 Assassin's is on my Buy list, anyway!

  • July 5, 2011, 12:15 a.m. CST

    The Core

    by LastPairOfSocks

    I'm not afraid to say that I'm a big fan of that flick. I watched Battlefield: Los Angles last night and couldn't for one second but Aaron Eckhart as a Marine, but he plays the perfect scientist in The Core. I gotta say that I love all the stuff that happens once they get underground and start having to seal and ditch chambers of their drilling machine. Sure, the science is fucked in that movie, but it's good for a kickback night with a couple of beers.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:25 a.m. CST

    More Core

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Anyone else remember when the writer of The Core came on AICN and attacked posters who were critical of the science saying he researched it and it was all accurate? Then some poster turned out to be an MIT student or something and then took the guy to pieces. Then the writer sent me an email (you used to be able to get email addresses from the users name back then) and offered to refund my ticket price if I didn't enjoy the movie. Damn I miss that AICN.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    QUESTION TO HARRY RE: ASSASSINS

    by jake mulligan

    Why did the movie lose 15 minutes coming over to the US? Are there any blu-ray's with the complete cut and english subs? Or should we just expect a double dip a year down the road?

  • It was a horrible movie in every way. If you're Canadian there were a couple of homegrown cameos to laugh at but it was just a loud unpleasant movie, neither insightful nor enjoyable.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Das Boot

    by double_l88

    This might be the best war movie of all time. There have been so many great wwii movies, I think A Thin Red Line is great, but this movie is so emotional and so well done by Wolfgang Peterson. I don't think you root for Nazi's either, you root for the Germans on that boat.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Fun movie, but Zelazny said he would feel

    by Dennis_Moore

    embarrassed when he saw DA crop up on the late night movie, now and then. He also wrote that he preferred his short version to his expanded novel.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:09 a.m. CST

    About time Miike started to make actual movies.

    by Yelsaeb

    I hate to be rude, but most his movies are the same thing over and over again. Really, I can't tell the difference between Dead or Alive and Shinjuku Triad Society, or any of his other movies for that matter. They're all the same! Well, Ichi the Killer was pretty good, and Dead or Alive 2 was very different when it came to tone, and Audition was a sucker punch to the chest, but most of his yakuza related movies are all the same. They're just blood, guts, and people getting humped by dogs.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Harry could have skipped this week

    by elBox

    Blu Ray re-releases do not a good column make

  • July 5, 2011, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Overboard...a classic!

    by John Johnson

    I agree....that movie is funny everytime you watch it. The chemistry of those two is just great. Better than Goldie and Steve Martin. (thought they were good too.) And I 1000% agree...Kurt Russel is pretty much amazing in everything he does. I wish he were in more movies....He needs to make another action and another western ....Come on KURT!

  • July 5, 2011, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Overboard...a classic!

    by John Johnson

    I agree....that movie is funny every time you watch it. The chemistry of those two is just great. Better than Goldie and Steve Martin. (thought they were good too.) And I 1000% agree...Kurt Russel is pretty much amazing in everything he does. I wish he were in more movies....He needs to make another action and another western ....Come on KURT!

  • July 5, 2011, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Overboard...a classic!

    by John Johnson

    I agree....that movie is funny every time you watch it. The chemistry of those two is just great. Better than Goldie and Steve Martin. (thought they were good too.) And I 1000% agree...Kurt Russel is pretty much amazing in everything he does. I wish he were in more movies....He needs to make another action and another western ....Come on KURT!

  • July 5, 2011, 1:32 a.m. CST

    sorry for the multi-post

    by John Johnson

    It never let me know it posted. :(

  • July 5, 2011, 1:38 a.m. CST

    They're not Nazis.

    by FailureAtTheCave

    There's one Nazi on the ship and he's the douchebag everybody hates. Jurgen Prochnow is the most anti-nazi of them all. National Socialism was a political party, not something that every German was in WWII, and the characters in this film that you root for are not Nazis.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:42 a.m. CST

    The world should be my plaything.

    by brokentusk

    Harry, if the world was your plaything children would be forced to watch ICHI THE KILLER in kindergarten while their teachers watched over them dressed as the Justice League.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:53 a.m. CST

    13 Assassins: My favorite film this year

    by kungfuhustler84

    I know it was officially released last year but I don't care. I have seen it multiple times, in several different venues, with both friends and family. My close friends, my dad, and my two 60-something uncles all liked it too. Hobo With A Shotgun on the other hand, was appalling in every way. Even with a stone-cold Rutger Hauer performance, it sucked.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:53 a.m. CST

    I've tried to love Das Boot so many times. And yet..

    by Jaka

    ...it still bores the living shit out of me. I've tried year after year, decade after decade, to get into that film, but it just doesn't do anything for me. Its one of those that always gets heaps of praise that I just don't understand.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:06 a.m. CST

    WAKE WOOD is great

    by palimpsest

    And the final five minutes are insane.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Hobo With a Shotgun

    by Sanyi

    Such a great flick, I just love it. Not just an amazing hommage, but one of the very best Rutger Hauer performance. Fuckin' awesome. Also, the ending is pretty good, especially the credits with that music. Instant classic? Maybe. Time will tell

  • July 5, 2011, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Space Battleship Yamato is FUCKIN OUT

    by PedroM

    when you can find it on your favourite torrent sites. with english subs, wankers! I'm going to watch it right fuckin now

  • July 5, 2011, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Damnation alley, at last!

    by Gorgomel

    Man eating coackroches, giant scorpio, bad skin bearded mutants and 70s disco sky... this film has everything! Now, they have to release Last days of Planet Earth (Prophecies of Nostradamus) on Blu

  • July 5, 2011, 5:40 a.m. CST

    DAS BOOT: So fucking good!

    by MaxTheSilent

    The DVD of this was one of the first I ever bought and is completely put me on my arse. A phenomenal movie in every way.

  • July 5, 2011, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Jaka

    by FatSeagal

    I feel the exact same way about Blade Runner.

  • July 5, 2011, 6:55 a.m. CST

    jaka and faseagal

    by lochkray

    Mine is the Godfather. I'm so ashamed.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:10 a.m. CST

    I have fallen to corporate greed

    by donkey_lasher

    And am now typing this on a 40" full HD tv. Fuck you Sony, for making me replace my entire now-worthless Dvd Collection, with Blu Rays, and Fuck you for when you introduce the new x20 better discs in a few years.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Das Boat cured my Brain Tumor

    by Mr Soze

    About 5 years ago the doctors thought I had a brain tumor and I was dying. (It was severe meningitis) I was in bed for 3 months straight. I woke up one morning and went downstairs, crashed on the couch and turned on the tube. Das Boat was on my Dvr. Dad always had told me to watch it. I honestly felt better from that day foward. It made me realize how great movies were for the soul.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Damnation Alley

    by Hipshot

    I remember watching Damnation Alley on Hollywood boulevard when it first came out, with a white friend of mine. Jan-Michael Vincent, George Peppard, and Paul Winfield traveling across an atomic wasteland in a nuclear Winnebago. Cool. Then they get to Salt Lake City, or Las Vegas or wherever it was, and out of the ashes comes...the last woman in the world. And she's white. I turned to my friend and said: "oh, shit, they're going to kill Paul Winfield." He looked at me in astonishment. "Why?" "Well," I said, "they won't pretend he's not interested in her. And they won't let him compete for her. Their only option is to kill him." "Damn, you're cynical. It's not that bad," he said. And...five minutes later he got eaten by giant, flesh-eating cockroaches. Booyah.

  • July 5, 2011, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Damnation Alley miniature

    by WriteFromLeft

    An original miniature of the Damnation Alley vehicle sat in a furniture store in downtown Los Angeles not that long ago. I'm not sure if the store is still there. The store sold new furniture, but the basement was filled with odds and ends and the occasional prop from a movie or television show (apparently most of it was left over from the TV show American Dreams). The vehicle was on the upper level of the store, toward the back, just before the entrance to the basement where all the old odds and ends were kept. You could just walk up and touch it. I'm not sure if it was for sale. It was about a two feet long.

  • July 5, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    donkey_lasher

    by MC-909

    Might as well give up, dude. I did once I realized new formats would be coming out every few years. I haven't bought a DVD in probably four years, never bought a bluray. Maybe it's my age (34) but at this point buying movies seems like a waste of time. And you're right, it is all about corporate greed. Gotta keep that money coming in. As soon as bluray sales drop off, prepare to replace your entire bluray catalogue with whatever's next, more than likely some kind of digital shit. And that's sad, too, because part of the fun of owning movies is actually owning a physical product. I'm telling you man, just give it up now while you can.

  • July 5, 2011, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Overboard

    by elsewhere

    The way it's shot, it plays like softcore porn. Also has a great shot of Hawn's ass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X4aXoTyctQ

  • July 5, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST

    The director's cut of Das Boot is a masterpiece...

    by Stegman84

    ...I hear the miniseries version is even better, but I've never been able to track it down with proper english subs...err, subtitles. And once again Harry shows that he can simultaneously know something while also missing the entire fucking point of the film by calling the crew nazis and saying something as purely idiotic as Das Boot is a film that will make you 'root for the nazis', when as another poster pointed out above, there is only one nazi on board, and he's a complete douche that no one watching the film would be rooting for. Still, much as I love the film, fact is not every film is for every person, and you can't force yourself to love a film that you simply don't, not and still be true to yourself and your own tastes anyhow. I mean I never got the love for Silence of the Lambs, which I always found to be a pretty manipulative slice of film making that wasn't much more than a slightly above average horror film with a-list credentials and a big glossy hollywood sheen layered over the top, but most people seemed to love it and regard it as a classic. We all have our own quirks and tastes, so to each their own. I think just as long as you give a film a fair shot, and then see where it takes you, well, then that's all that can be expected of anyone really.

  • July 5, 2011, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Hobo With A Shotgun is the best of these newschool grindhousers

    by Spandau Belly

    It'll probably be my favorite film of this year, unless DRIVE knocks it off the top of the mountain.

  • July 5, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Damnation Alley vehicle

    by Fico

    When I was a kid I made a lego version after I saw the movie on tv. It had a knight rider style ramp in the back for my toy motorcycle to match the one in the film. That thing is still the greatest achievement in my life to date.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    DAS BOOT 5 hour version is the ONLY way to watch it.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    And in no time, you will be invested in the germans survival..thats a mark of a great film--where you can root for the Nazis to survive.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Damnation Alley 'science'

    by The StarWolf

    I hope Copernicus never tries to rate the science in this film or it will have him clawing his own eyes out to keep from having to watch it to the end. There may have been other, sillier movies which weren't intentional comedies, but I'm betting not many of them. Lord it was bad.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST

    of all the films in which I'm thanked in the end credits...

    by BlaGyver

    Harry, I'm usually one of your defenders, but that is one of the douchiest, most self-righteous things you've ever posted. And that's saying something.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:34 a.m. CST

    wake wood

    by drunkenmonkey73

    I use to love the old Hammer movies, they where so creepy. Its nice to see them back with this tale of grieving parents and dark magic. 1 year! They where warned. oh and the ending was fucked.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Robert Culp in "Hannie Caulder"...

    by Destry

    ...just rules the world. Yeah, he was great in "I Spy" and "Greatest American Hero," but in HC, he was just amazingly badass. I'm with Harry: not nearly as great a film as "The War Wagon," but worth checking out.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Harry

    by ManInTheMembersOnlyJacket

    Is 13 Assassins the theatrical cut? Or does it have that additional 15 minutes or so?

  • July 5, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Well done, Harry

    by Michael DA

    You actually saw all the movies you review this week! 100% agree on Damnation Alley. Can't go to Las Vegas without thinking about flesh eating mutant cockroaches...

  • July 5, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST

    13 Assassins is a Must-See!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Just see it. NOW! The Power of Miike-san compel you!

  • July 5, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    13 Assassins and Hobo With A Shotgun...

    by Me

    Been waiting for both on Blu. And Das Boot as well. BTW, anyone see the Macho trailer on Funny Or Die? Pretty funny. http://FunnyOrDie.com/m/5u1r

  • July 5, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST

    just gotta know Harry...

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    How many films are you thanked during the end credits? Maybe Nolan will thank you at the end of DARK KNIGHT RISES for staying awake during the film.

  • All of you who have seen 13 Assassins, did you see the edit or the real version?

  • Or so I've been told.

  • July 5, 2011, 10:20 a.m. CST

    stereotypical

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    I saw it in the theater and it kicked all sorts of ass. Can't imagine it being improved by a longer cut. I'm certain Miike had final cut on the theatrical release. That said if there is an extended cut of extra footage of the final samurai battle I'd be all over it like blood on katana.

  • July 5, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    choppah, thanks man.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I'll have to buy it tonight. I'm excited to see it. I just don't want to get burned by having a lesser version. If you think it's final cut, then I'm in. My friends and I have been burned by unofficial U.S. cuts before. Those U.S. edits are insulting.

  • July 5, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Been waiting forever for Brazil on Blu, and I understand NO extras!!??

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Still gotta have it, though. Never got the love for Ichi The Killer, much preferred Audition.

  • July 5, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    openthepodbaydoorhal

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    i'd wait for BRAZIL if i were you. Criterion has been known to pick up and redo Universal blu a few months later. they did that with FEAR AND LOATHING and they might do it for DAZED AND CONFUSED & BRAZIL.. hold off for the Criterions.

  • July 5, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    They weren't Nazis, they were seamen.

    by HoboCode

    A Nazi implies someone active in National Socialist Party of Germany before and during WWII. To not root for the Germans in the U-boats, because they were "Nazis" is beyond moronic. They were simple military personnel for the most part, not the SS.

  • July 5, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST

    The one big issue that I have with Mike's work...

    by Judge Briggs

    Rape scenes. They are always extremely brutal and sick... So hard to get past them.

  • July 5, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Choppah - I know... Criterion is the platinum standard

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    I understand next weeks release is essentially the first disc of Criterion's three disc set from years back, except in hi def. I'll take the chance, and maybe even double dip. Thanks for the tip though, Chop.

  • July 5, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    judge briggs

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    There is only one implied off screen rape scene in Assassins. Miike seems to have tempered his tendencies towards shock and freak show. And it benefits his work greatly here. When the freak show turns up in this film it it is not just shock for shock's sake only but actually an integral part of the plot to powerful effect.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Damnation Alley miniature Part Two

    by WriteFromLeft

    I think the furniture store in downtown LA that had the Damnation Alley landmaster miniature is called Loft Appeal. They have a Web site and it still looks as if they have a brick and mortar store.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    The Miike Cult? Count me in.

    by AsimovLives

  • July 5, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    You have not really sen DAS BOOT until you see the 500 minutes cut.

    by AsimovLives

    In case you guys aren't aware of it yet, DAS BOOT is in fact a TV show. Which was then chopped to fit into a theatrical release lenght. But no matter how much you guys like the 208 minutes, it still feels like a trailer for the real DAS BOOT, which is the TV series in it's entire leght glory.

  • July 5, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    Asi - how did you enjoy Trans 3 this weekend?

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Just kidding...just kidding. Any other Miike titles to recommend? I only know of the (in) famous titles. I know he is (or was) one prolific dude.

  • And it's great BR Ripquality, been waiting for this one a longg time and no doubt I'll buy the Blue Ray.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    It should have been called OVERBORED

    by Stalkeye

    Possibly the worst Russell film I have ever seen. Didn't bother to see captain Ron or Sky High ergo Overboard is in the lead.

  • ..in which the Black Man cannot survive after the first 30 minutes of the film. (Shit, Winfield didnt even live throughout The Termniator.) Sad but true.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    So how is the Damnation Alley Blu-ray transfer?

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I remember reading a while back Shout was having trouble finding decent elements to even put out a regular DVD, let alone a Blu-ray.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    openthepodbaydoorshal

    by AsimovLives

    I'm affraid i also know his more well know titles. ICHI THE KILLER, AUDITION, the DEAD OR ALIVE saga, GOZU. I have VISITOR Q but haven't seen it yet. I saw 13 ASSASSINS and it deserves every praises it gets.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Asi, after seeing the full cut of Das Boot

    by Mattman

    I could never go back. Too many details are lost in the theatrical. The full cut feels like you're living the journey. It's exciting and draining, and in the end you really feel like you've lived and died with that crew.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Cult of Miike? Harry CLEARLY is NOT a "member"...

    by Jimmie Harp

    ...Since he sems to have forgotten SALARYMAN KINTARO (made in the middle of a very successful ongoing series), BLUES HARP, THE BIRD PEOPLE IN CHINA, etc. I LOVED LOVED LOVED 13 ASSASSINS, but it's not the first time Miike had a budget and strayed from his gore/Yakuza genre stuff.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    'The Cardinal Rule' of sci fi movies...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    "in which the Black Man cannot survive after the first 30 minutes of the film." Bunkum. Dear old Ernie Hudson survived for over 90 minutes in 80's sci-fi underwater schlockfest Leviathan, only to to be cruelly snatched from the jaws of victory by the rubber monster five minutes before the end credits. Don't say we haven't made progress towards racial equality over the years!

  • July 5, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    So is 13 Ass the full thing?

    by AndoSoundsLikeAMong

    I did this in two of the other 13 Ass TBs, but maybe a bit late in their lives. Just interested to know if the release has the full cut. There is an ass-rape comedy scene in the full Japanese version (which I saw at the cinema here in Japan) and others in previous TBs confirmed it wasn't in the US theatrical. While one scene rarely totally defines a film, tonally that scene so totally dominated the proceedings that for me it's pretty much all I remember about it now! So yeah. It is odd to see people talk about it being a flawless masterpiece or whatever, when the version they saw was cut from Miike's own vision to make it more palitable overseas. There's just something about "we know this won't play well, so let's just ditch it and we've got a classic!" that doesn't jive with everyone hailing Miike as a miracle worker - he wanted this stuff in there, someone else decided it was best taken out outside of Japan, Miike gets all the credit anyway.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    SOMEbody's got a date with Casey Anthony next Saturday.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    (whistles happily, checks hair in the mirror)

  • July 5, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Hobo With a Shotgun

    by homer40

    Hobo isn't the "citizen kane" of anything. It was really not a great movie, even by "b" or "z" movie standards. I enjoyed it, and Rutger was good, but not great trash. The film looked terrible, and the gore was not well done. Frankly, without Hauer, it would have been unwatchable.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Choppah, that was totally distasteful

    by Mattman

    And totally hilarious.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Tarkovsky

    by SmokesWithWolves

  • July 5, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Damn, I meant Tarkovsky's The Sacrifice

    by SmokesWithWolves

    Released on Blu today. The old DVD I have is particularly shitty so I'm excited for the new transfer. Surprised Harry didnt mention it

  • There's only so many times you can be forcefully made to tongue-wash Big Bertha's love swamp. Casey's dying for some CHOPPING.

  • I'm sure she's got a shitload of legal fees to contend with.

  • ..in which after 70 minutes or less, Samuel L Jackson gets eaten by a giant Shark. Dave Chapelle's Samuel Jackson Beer skit said it best: "I got ate by a fucking Shark, Drink Bitch"!!

  • July 5, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Maybe she could do a spread for Barely Legal...

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    ..or is it barely acquitted..?

  • July 5, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    Absolutly. LÇike you, i could never rewatch DAS BOOT in any of it's shorter versions after i rewatched the real version. I have seen the real DAS BOOT in two circunstances. The first was when it was aired in here as a TV series, as it is. The second was wheni bought the DVD edition that had the whole complete TV show. And it's unforgetable. As you said it very well, you will felel like you lived with those guys for the whole duration of the jorney.´ Hell, by the end you will even have found some sympathy for the Nazi asshole, because he helps the crew to get their food, medicine and mechanical needs from the german spy in the Bilbao thanks to his party connections, and also get the crew guy who went nuts to get out of the boat and transfered back to Germany. He actually gets to be one of the crew. DAS BOOT is just unbelievable. But as seen from it's complete version, as you said it.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy

    by AsimovLives

    Ernie Hudson survived throughout the whole of GHOSTBUSTERS.

  • Everyone wants to liken themselves (or be likened) to Orson Welles, but in truth they're all closer to Ed Wood. Seriously, Kane is a much MUCH more sophisticated production than any gratuitously violent exploitation flick is going to come. Sorry to be the film snob here, but holy shit that was a ridiculous stretch to compliment a movie that's just trying to be corn. I know, that's how you roll, Harry, but no. Just no.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye......you really need to watch Sky High

    by thelordofhell

    Sure it's campy shit, but damn....Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Danielle Panabaker in the same film, then you get Lynda Carter, Kelly Preston.....yum!! Then you throw in Kurt Russell, Kids In The Hall, Bruce Campbell........pure camp

  • July 5, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Black Man cannot survive after the first 30 minutes of the film...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Behold Carpenter's The Thing, and weep again at the sight of it's brilliance. Still, no chicks..

  • July 5, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    HOTTEST murderer ever

    by D.Vader

    Sorry Lizzie Borden. Time to take you off the wall.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Ichi the Killer

    by D.Vader

    Incredibly overrated.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Deep Blue Sea... one black guy lives in the end

    by Mattman

    And the heroine is eaten in the last minute, thanks to some stupid editing. The part where the ladder breaks and she somehow falls back into the MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN is the worst editing I've ever seen.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    LL Cool J survived all of the Deep Blue Sea

    by D.Vader

    Other black man, sadly, did not. Shit did someone already mention this?

  • July 5, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Nice Simupost and Simuthought, Mattman

    by D.Vader

  • July 5, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    So long France

    by D.Vader

    The FemGermans have beaten you.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Not Nazis

    by MrDexter

    They are German naval personnel. Big diff.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Harry knows nothing about film

    by sunwukong86

    The Citizen Kane reference makes it more obvious

  • July 5, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Damnation RV

    by Cash907

    That thing was in so many made for TV movies in the 80's. It was like the Airwolf of recreational vehicles. How awesome would it be if it hooked up with the Assault Camper from Stripes, and had baby RV tanks?

  • Its weird. I hate kids movies (sans pure Disney) and I hate comic book movies...but I really enjoyed Sky High aka the blatant Harry Potter ripoff.

  • July 5, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    13 Assassins

    by ManInTheMembersOnlyJacket

    I saw it in a theater, and I'm assuming it was the cut version. Either way, it was AMAZING... Still, I would love to see the uncut version.

  • July 5, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    That's true they are not nazis in Das Boot

    by Mattman

    First time Harry's ever been wrong about anything.

  • July 5, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST

    d.vader

    by AsimovLives

    Before you ask, i haven't seen SUPER 8 yet, despiste what i said the other week that i would watch it last saturday. It didn't happened. Maybe next saturday. You will be informed.

  • July 5, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    @asimovlives wait what Das Boot's original cut was 500m??

    by KilliK

    that explains why that film always seemed to me a bit rough and hasty in its story narrative and the ending feeled a bit abrupt. Do you know where i could find the full 500m cut of the film in any format? it is one of my fav flicks.

  • July 5, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    LL Cool J has a no death clause in his film roles contract.

    by AsimovLives

    Which kills any suspense aboput any character he plays in a movie. You know he will always live, no matter how ridiculous his escape from death will be. I understand the theory behindit, so to rpevent him being a "black dude dies first" thing. But he went too way to the opposite, so that there's no suspence in regard to his characters he plays. Fail!

  • July 5, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Harry you clueless man-child.Das Boot is not about Nazis.

    by KilliK

    the submarine crew were German soldiers not Nazis and if i remember correctly the film stated clearly the anti-Nazi feelings of the captain.

  • The show is flawless in the depcition ofthe life of a german U-boot crew during that time. That's because it's based onthe remembrances of a jornalist which actually went with a U-boot crew and many decades later wrote a fictional account of his experiences. The attentio to detail about the historical production design and the life of a u-boot crew is also examplary. Where the movie differs from reality is that that particular crew would be quite an exception to all other crews of the U-boots. to wit: The people who went to the submarines were actualyl handpicked not just ebcause of their expertise and willingness to serve their motherland, but because they were also loyal to the nazi party (regardles if they were party members or not). Their missions were considered of uttermost national inters,t and the nazi goverment wante people they had utter trust. Also, U-boot crews were very well like by both Hitler and admiral Donitz, the top admiral of the kriegmarine. They were well liked and protected by them, to the point they had special previleges and isemptions. Like, they were allowed to grew their hair and bears during the duration of their mission, which in any other branched of the navy and the other armed forces would constitute a breach of etiquette and severely punished. U-boots were also used as propaganda, and the nazi propaganda made them all into heroes of the country and the party (which for the nazis the two were the same). In Das Boot the crew is shown to be pretty cynical and disastified with the german nazi regime and incredibly critical and disrspectful. In truth, all of the submarine crews were extremely loyal to the goverment and anybody who would wave in their enthusiasm would know trouble... from his own comrads. So, in the show DAS BOOT, we see an exception crew, not just because they are excelent at what they do, but because they woudl be the least enthusiastic of the crew toward the nazi party in the whole of germany. You could say that the crew of DAS BOOT is quite exceptional, in all sense of the word as regard to a U-boot crew would be at the time.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    killik

    by AsimovLives

    You are very right about the show. However, reality was a bit... differently. Read my previous post, please.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    killik

    by AsimovLives

    I migth have err in the time lenght. The whole show might actually be 600 minutes long. EDIT: i think i goofed up: Seems the real lenght is actually 281 minutes. While it's not as long as i claimed before, it's still about 80 minutes longer then even the longest film version. so you cna imagine how much more detail and timefor characterization and even extra scenes it can fit in. And truly, after you watch the real Tv show lehgth version, you will not be able to watch it againin a shorter version. My copy is a DVD from UK that had the whole complete show. It's a vanilla DVd, no extras, just the show. But really, what a brillant show. One of the rare cases i don't care it's vanilla. Let me see what i can find for you: This is my DVD copy: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Das-Boot-Mini-Uncut-Version/dp/B0001NIYUO/ref=sr_1_2?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1309904306&sr=1-2 You will notice it's region 2. It has the original german voice soundtrack with english subtitles, thank goodness. There's no way to watch this show except in it's original german. There are two blu-rays, both all of them are the shorter movie versions. I wouldn't advise. http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddvd&field-keywords=das+boot On USA, there's no known edition of the complete Das Boot TV show. Which really sucks. There is a lot of american fans of Das Boot, and they deserved to have been better treated. So, if you don't mind buying a DVD, and if your player can play region 2 disks, you know where to get it. I urge you to do so. You will love it so much.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    ops, double posting, so very sorry.

    by AsimovLives

  • July 5, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST

    HANNA was a waste of time

    by Mattman

    The PG-13 rating utterly ruined what might have been a powerful film. Nothing in that movie carries any weight, because it's constantly shying away from the necessary violence inherent to its story. It's also woefully predictable. I found it extremely boring, and went home and watched LEON in order to wash the taste out of my mouth.

  • I guess it's safe to assume you have seen and loved it, then? When can we expect a review?

  • July 5, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    @asimovlives thanx mate for the info and the links

    by KilliK

    i am going to buy that sucker since i prefer all my fav films in their original complete cut just like the director envisioned them.again thanx.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Choppah, Harry hasn't seen Captain America yet...

    by Mattman

    But he did love it.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    ZING! You get to share CHOP OF THE DAY honors with the Casey Anthony jury.

  • July 5, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    I just picked up these blu's:

    by ufoclub1977

    The Wiz Invasion of the Body Snatchers ('78) Caddyshack all used for under $12 each. It's a good time for movie fanatics!

  • July 5, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Thank you, sir

    by Mattman

    Sometimes you need a break from the chopping. Even The Choppah must sleep.

  • July 5, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    The Wiz is on blu-ray??

    by Mattman

    Holy shit.

  • July 5, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Wow - way to suck your own dick, Harry...

    by sai_justin

    "Of all the films that I’m thanked in their end credits..." Really, dude?

  • July 5, 2011, 7:35 p.m. CST

    13 Assassins is very, very good

    by veritasses

    But comparing Miike to Kurosawa is premature. <BR><BR> Yoji Yamada and other directors have made some excellent samurai movies as well... though they're more quiet period dramas than what one might expect.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Black Men in Action/SF Movies

    by Hipshot

    It's no longer close to as bad as it used to be. When I was a kid, and I went to see such a film, the only question from the other kids in my neighborhood was: "how'd they kill the brother this time?" Now we're almost never killed first. But the survivor of almost any horror film is either a young woman of child-bearing years, or such a woman plus a virile male. Said male is almost never, ever, non-white. Couple of interesting exceptions: Taye Diggs in "House On Haunted Hill" (1999) and a cute little movie called "Frankenfish." You're still pretty safe betting against the brother, but we're doing better these days.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Asimov - would you fuck tot mom?

    by Roger Moon

    Would you fuck tot mom in the death car?

  • July 5, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    the_choppah

    by HEADGEEK

    nah, just fucking around the Toy aisle of TARGET

  • July 5, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Hipshot (X-Men First Class spoiler if you haven't seen it)

    by Mattman

    When I saw First Class, I was actually shocked that the black guy died. I thought of all the mutants, he was totally safe, as movies seem to avoid it lately.

  • July 5, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    the_choppah

    by HEADGEEK

    nah, just fucking around the Toy aisle of TARGET

  • July 5, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    the_choppah

    by HEADGEEK

    nah, just fucking around the Toy aisle of TARGET

  • July 5, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the response, Harold.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    How soon before you DO see CAP, though? And what kind of early buzz are you hearing?

  • July 5, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Black guys dying early in movies.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    It's a metaphor. For something. Maybe genderblender can shed some light on the subject.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Asi@Das Boot

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    They mini series came out in USA on DVD a few years ago. I want to say it 5 hrs long. I actually remember picking it up for $10 at Circuit city on sale after a ballgame on the fourth of July. Got stripes too. God bless America!

  • July 5, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Wakewood > 13 Assassins

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    I just didn't feel Assassins. The carnage in the last battle became repetetive, bland, and mind-numbing. Wakewood is an engrossing, original low budget horror film. I enjoyed it.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    RIP Circuit City.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Nah, I take that back. The place fukkin' sucked. The DVD and CD racks were always a mess and out of fucking order.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Asi I had forgotten all about that

    by D.Vader

    But thanks for reminding me. Let us all know when you do see it!

  • July 5, 2011, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Das boot is 293 minutes.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Anything less is for commies.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I think I'm just going to pick up 13 assassins...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Comments here seem so strong I'd be stupid not to do it. Thank you hobocode btw... When it comes to WW2 people seem pretty fucking stupid when it comes to history. That essentially call everyone a Nazi. That doesn't make any sense. Is everyone of the soldiers in the US military a Democrat or Republican? I find it dumb when people mention soldiers or sailors and call them Nazi's... It shows they don't know a lot about the war and only what they saw in movies or whatever. Thank you for pointing that out.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:16 p.m. CST

    What's Long and Hard and Full of Seamen?

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    The DAS BOOT Miniseries.

  • Just ask Austin Stoker in Assault on Precinct 13, Keith David in The Thing, or Ice Cube in Ghosts of Mars. Hell, even T.K. Carter in The Thing, Isaac Hayes in Escape from New York, Pam Grier in Escape from L.A., and Keith David (again) in They Live all got pretty damn close to the final credits.

  • July 6, 2011, 12:34 a.m. CST

    The "Das Boot" miniseries...

    by TheHumanBeingAndFish

    ... is available in the US on DVD, under the title "Das Boot - The Original Uncut Version". See here: http://www.amazon.com/Das-Boot-Original-Uncut-Version/dp/B0001XAOLQ .

  • July 6, 2011, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Awesome Captain America international poster:

    by Mattman

    http://www-movieline-com.vimg.net/images/CaptainAmericaInternationalPoster630.jpg

  • July 6, 2011, 2:13 a.m. CST

    13 assassins is a killer of a movie BUT HARRY TRANSFORMERS 3 IS ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!

    by captaindickbloodsrobot

  • July 6, 2011, 2:23 a.m. CST

    BUSTER KEATON Short Film Collection Blu

    by sherlock_junior

    CANT wait to own this one!!! Buster Keaton rules supreme!

  • July 6, 2011, 8:42 a.m. CST

    do not buy that BRAZIL blu.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    its not the International Cut like the one on the Criterion.

  • July 6, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST

    You're absolutely correct stegman (Class of 19)84

    by Stalkeye

    Bless JC for lookin out for the Brothas. and with the noted exceptions, (see below) all were great films. However, whatsup with Grier playing a Tranny in ESFLA then a Lesbian in Ghosts of Mars? No way to treat The Goddess of Blaxploitation. )0:'

  • July 6, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Asi, who said that quote about 13 Assassins?

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    I want to CHOP him into little pieces. The final battle in 13 Assassins is so well choreographed and so NOT boring NOR repetitive that it should be a paragon of how you shoot action sequences for future filmmakers to study. It features 13 unique characters each with hi own unique character traits and you can follow each one without getting lost. And you care about these characters as well when they meet their demise. This isn't the jumbled clusterfuck of a Michael Bay or Peter Greengrass movie where the camera is shaking so much and the edits are so frequent that you have no idea what the hell is going on. It's also not the green screen mental masturbation of a Zack Snyder cartoon. It's real actors in a real set with a real director. Old school filmmaking meets new school gore. What's not to like?

  • July 6, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Ooops choppah - I stand corrected. It's the directors cut

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    of the Criterion Laserdisc package released in '96. Since Universal is schlepping this as a catalog title along with Animal House, Blues Brothers, the 2 Conans, etc., I'm afraid it may be the only chance to get Brazil on Blu...

  • July 6, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Well said, choppah.

    by ManInTheMembersOnlyJacket

    The final battle of 13 Assassins can only be described as epic, and the violence and gore truly service the film. And do you mean Paul Greengrass, or does Peter have a coincidental similar name and directing style?

  • July 6, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Hated 'Ichi the Killer' with a passion...

    by Judge Briggs

    Again, the rape scenes were too much to stomach. Hated the movie with a passion because of them. They were brutal and straight up sick... ...this coming from someone who enjoyed 'Martyrs', 'Frontiers,' and 'Inside.'

  • July 6, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    membersonly

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    yeah, Paul. And not saying the Bourne films are bad but the action sequences leave a lot to be desired, imo. Actually, they're fine for him. that's his style, but it seems that everybody who directs an action film now has picked up that handheld, quick edit style. It's what ruined Quantum of Solace, imo. It was just refreshing to see old school action filmmaking for a change. And no wire fu BS either. Loved it! Could have done without the cgi exploding warthogs though. My only small gripe.

  • July 6, 2011, noon CST

    the_choppah

    by samuraiyao

    Man, I hope people read the talkbacks and pick up 13 Assassins now!!!! It's that good...

  • July 6, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    End of Damnation Alley is hysterical

    by Knobules

    They show the world literally turning inside out with destruction. The cast steps out of the vehicle and its birds chirping Opie/Mayberry untouched perfect country. A true WTF moment.

  • July 6, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Mattman

    by Hipshot

    Not only did the black X-man die...but he was literally the only black man in the entire film. Hundreds of characters seen on-screen, and he was the only one. They could have had a black cop, or a black seaman on one of the ships...something. Nothing. Pitiful. I allow that to remind me how the human unconscious works, when we don't pay attention.

  • July 6, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    the_choppah

    by AsimovLives

    Killik, i believe. Could be wrong, though.

  • July 6, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    the_choppah

    by AsimovLives

    I'm gouingto have to disagree with you about Paul Greengrass. Yes it's true that he uses the shaky-cam style, but the thing about him is that in his movies i never get lost on what is happening, to whom and where. His action is always clear to me regardless of the shaky-cam. He is one of the few directors who actually knows how to use it to benefit a movie.

  • July 6, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Jennifer Lawrence's ass in a short skirt is epic

    by Mattman

    And she's a pretty good actress too. I absolutely loved First Class, although perhaps one other mutant should have died (like a non-black one haha). He did have a kickass death though.

  • July 6, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    I despise Paul Greengrass and his shaky-cam nonsense

    by Mattman

    Yeah, I can sort of tell what's going on in his action scenes, but I shouldn't have to strain myself to figure it out. Shaky-cam is lazy, plain and simple. I shouldn't be reminded that someone is filming every time I'm watching an action scene. I want to see wtf is happening.

  • July 6, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    And Quantum of Solace's action scenes were an atrocity

    by Mattman

    Not to mention it was an all around flat movie with the least intimidating Bond villain I've ever seen, and it ended in a hotel in the middle of the desert that explodes with one bullet. The only good part was the opera scene and Gemma Arterton's short (and ultimately wasted) role.

  • Which spat on the memory of a dead, innocent German passenger in order to make Americans look more badass than they probably were. Not only is Greengrass a hack director, he's a terrible person.

  • July 6, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    *not racist

    by Mattman

    *I meant blatantly prejudiced against anyone who isn't american.

  • July 6, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    You may detest Greengrass' shaky-cam (I prefer to think of it as docu-style),

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    but you can't deny the train station sequence with the reporter in the last film. Edited, framed, paced..brilliantly.

  • seen the movie yet.

  • July 6, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Das Boot and RAN are the two best examples which prove

    by KilliK

    why the Academy is all about politics,lobbies and prejudice. Das Boot was nominated for 6 oscars and won nothing. I guess if it was about Jews in a sub,it would have won all of them. RAN was nominated for 4 oscars,one of the them being best director for Kurosawa and it only won 1 oscar for best costume design.BEST COSTUME DESIGN FFS. What Academy did with that award,was even more insulting than never awarding Hitchcock or Kubrick with the best director oscar. that's why i dont give a shit about the Academy and their pathetic competition of taste.At the end of the day movies dont need awards to become all-time classics just the love of the audience.

  • July 6, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Choppah, I bought and enjoyed 13 Assassins.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    And I will do so repeatedly.

  • July 6, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Qunatum Of Solace's action scenes were an atrocity alright

    by AsimovLives

    It's what prevents me form liking the movie almost as much as CASINO ROYALE. Let me just say this: i bought the DVd of CASINO ROYALE. I'll not buy the QOS's DVD. As i said before, and i'll repeat as many times as it needs be: With a Paul Greengrass's movie i can always tell what's happening, regardless of how shaky the camera is. always. Other filmmakers, not so much. As far i cna tell, he's the only one that actually knows what he's doing when he shakes that camera. Jennifer Lawrence is just too gorgeaus to believe. Damn fine actress too. This girl will go places.

  • Anything to help a fellow fan of that magnificent TV show.

  • July 6, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    mattman, that's funy, considering that Paul Greengrass is english.

    by AsimovLives

    And it was his UNITED 93 movie that finally made me say enough is enough about dumb ass stupid movies. After that movie, i vowed to never give a rest and never ever make excusesand to never forgive stupidity, dumbness and retardness for the sake of entertaiment in blockbusters and any other dumb movie ever made or to be made. As Picard said, this far no futher. I have lived by that ever since and never regreated it.

  • July 6, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Gemma Arterton's extra digits

    by Mattman

    I knew that, but had forgotten. Somehow, that only makes her more awesome.

  • July 6, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    openthepodbaydoorshal

    by AsimovLives

    Not to mention the badass car chase in the second Bourne movie.

  • July 6, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    United 93 was a disgusting experience

    by Mattman

    Capitalizing on death under the guise of blatantly biased patriotism sickens me. Those people didn't need to be heroes for their deaths to be tragic. And an innocent man's name didn't need to be tarnished in order to portray Americans as heroes. I vowed never to watch another Greengrass movie after that. World Trade Center, while still "too soon", was a far better movie (and it didn't forget to be a MOVIE).

  • July 6, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Asi - absolutely. With the driver assisted stunt rig, they really

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    revolutionized the way car chases could be filmed.

  • July 6, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Yeah, who knew car chases could be so incoherent!

    by Mattman

    Fuck that. I'll take Ronin's car chase any day over that barely discernible nonsense.

  • July 6, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    mattman - I gotta laugh, you are consistent

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Hey, I'll still take The French Connection, Bullitt, and The Seven Ups (and To Live And Die In LA), over any car chase filmed over the past 20 years.

  • July 6, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    openthepodbaydoorshal

    by Mattman

    I haven't seen The Seven Ups yet, but given the other chases you mentioned, I'm sure it rocks and will now check it out.

  • July 6, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Of all the films that I’m thanked in their end credits

    by Gary Busey's Upper Half

    My eyes rolled involuntarily when I read this.

  • July 6, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    13 Assassins wasn't repetetive?

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    What was it, 200 men they killed? at least 150 of those killed were in the same exact manner, in almost identical scenes. A bunch of men run towards 2 of the assassins, the 2 assassins swing their swords and chop them along their torso. Over and over. Rinse and repeat. Same fucking "old-school" camera angles. If that's old-school then fuck old-school, and good riddance. There were a few interesting moments but I found most of it to not be very creative, or interesting. It all seemed pretty pointless and I was just waiting for the final scenes to arrive. What a fucking let-down! Ichi the Killer was fucking overrated, too. Lol. Audition was pretty good.

  • July 6, 2011, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Is the original Das Boot available on Blu-Ray?

    by Mattman

    Cuz I'm kind of a 1080p snob now.

  • July 6, 2011, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Mattman

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Are you talking about the mini series? If so then No. Only the theatrical and directors cut. Wait a year or two before the studio drops it.

  • July 6, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    winona_ryders_cunt_juicyfruit or whatever your fucking name is...

    by samuraiyao

    "swing their swords and chop them along their torso", Is Exactly how you would use a sword.. What other methods or "creative" ways to use a sword?? With their fucking toes???

  • July 7, 2011, 1:26 a.m. CST

    I dont know man

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    how about some of them BLOCK the strike. Then they have to make a counter move. No, it was just like a lawnmower mowing down grass. For some reason none of the guards knew how to fight. They just ran into the lawnmower to get mowed down. I know I'm in the minority but that battle was just kinda stupid imo.

  • July 7, 2011, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Pussy, you really hate good cinema, don't you?

    by AsimovLives

  • July 7, 2011, 2:18 a.m. CST

    theveryfirst, good job, friend.

    by AsimovLives

  • July 7, 2011, 3:15 a.m. CST

    This retail cocksucker returned? Talk about a troll!

    by AsimovLives

  • July 7, 2011, 3:25 a.m. CST

    samuraiyao

    by AsimovLives

    I call him Pussy for short.

  • In reality, it's not that easy to kill a human being with just one shot or one sword stroke, unless they are very well placed. But as you so tirelessly claim, hey it's a movie. Out of reality stuff like this doesn't bother too much if the story the movie tells is pretty good and the filmmaker makes a good show in presenting it. Stuff likethat only becames really grating if the movie has nothing more to show for itself then just the action stuff. 13 ASSASSINS is more then that. It's aproper movie, and not just a stupid colection of action shit, like the movies of Bay, Abrams, Snyder and all the other hacks you love so much.

  • July 7, 2011, 3:50 a.m. CST

    I'm shocked that it pretty much has 100% at rottentomatoes

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    The last hour is just stupid and uncreative. In a western there is a story leading up to a shootout. In 13 Assassins there is a story leading up to 1 entire hour of guys chopping up a bunch of idiots with swords, with the same camera angle and essentially the same scene, over and over. In a western sometimes theres guys out in the street, and people hiding in buildings and rooftops. people shooting out of windows, shooting from the roof, shooting from behind the horse water trough. In 13 assassins there is 2 guys standing on the street, and 50 guys running at them as they chop them up. then cut to 2 other guys, and 50 guys running at them down the street as they cut them to bits. all with boring camera angles.

  • July 7, 2011, 4:09 a.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    As is aid before, th way Paul Greengrass used shaky-cam doesn't bother me, because i can always follow the action. But by now i've became quite weary and fed up with shaky-cam, thanks to it's misuse by hacks like Bay and Abrams and movies like QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Most of my woes about shaky-cam does came form QOS. I feel the same way about shaky-cam as i did with slow-motion thanks to it's misuse by sich hacks as Renny Harlin and Michael Bay (repeated offender). But in truth, there are no bad filmming techniques, just bad use of them. I constantly berate fast-cutting, but in fact that's so because of the misuse of that technique thanks to such hacks like Tony Scott and Michael Bay (once again).

  • July 7, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Good column big man

    by fpuk99

    DAS BOOT!!!!

  • July 7, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Asimovlives

    by Hipshot

    I will assume you are being funny. Otherwise, you need to look at the fact that the "noble sacrifice" of black characters is something white people seem to love. They will never, and HAVE never, ever, even once, made a film in which the only white character dies to "ennoble or motivate" black people. Name a single movie in which this has happened, and I'll back off. Otherwise, I'm sorry--get your ennobling elsewhere, I don't buy it in the slightest. The filmmakers simply didn't value his life, or give a single living shit how it would feel to my son to see the only black man among hundreds of whites die protecting a woman who then went on to present herself sexually to a white guy. This is total bullshit.

  • July 7, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST

    This town is infested by.....

    by Circean6

    Khillah Cowk-Rowches!

  • July 7, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I ALWAYS ROOT FOR THE NAZIS

    by BSB

    It's a side with the underdog kind of thing.

  • July 7, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    HIPSHOT

    by BSB

    Have you seen Super 8? *Spoiler* That movie goes to the heart of your point in a very big way. Even I felt uncomfortable with how the noble black sacrificial lamb's story played out, and how he was killed off eventually, and I'm not especially sensitive about black portrayals in movies. It was just sooooooo overt.

  • Did you even watch the movie, Winona. If you did that you would know that there were men with bow and arrows shooting from rooftops that the action took place in multiple buildings the characters ran through. That the heros ran across rooftops like in Crouching tiger. The one hero, the Woods Boy didn't even use a samurai sword when fighting. I would be offended by your dissing of this excellent movie which is at 100% on RT because it kicks all kinds of ass, but I don't even think you saw the movie judging by your misrepresentation of the action.

  • July 7, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST

    bsb

    by Hipshot

    Yeah, I saw Super 8. The entire town was white. The one black man sacrificed himself for an alien, and then was tortured, possibly to death. There were two black soldiers, both killed. There was one more glimpsed at the end--so it wasn't a total wash, but when you do a little comparative analysis: percentage of white people killed or injured? About 5%. Percentage of black characters killed or injured? At least 75%. That's what happens when the entire creative team is of a single ethnicity--they don't notice their unconscious tendencies and hostilities bubbling to the surface. Frankly, I think there is more of this now than there was five years ago. Obama fear, anyone? At a recent movie outing, I saw "Bad Teacher"--which had one black male character who was obese. The coming attraction was for "30 minutes or less" which had one black character who was...obese. Playing at the theater was "X-Men" which had one black character...who died. And Super-8, which we've talked about. And a coming attraction about a white chick checking into all her past boyfriends, one of whom was black...and now gay. This shit is so obvious once you see it: totally disproportionate to their representation in the population, black male characters are excluded from the "breeding circle" in movies: they are too fat, too gay, too young, too old, or too fucking dead to be cock-blockers. A fascinating phenomenon, really.

  • July 7, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Greatest car chases...

    by djangoilbastardo

    No list of greatest car chases on film is complete without BLAZING MAGNUM and the original GONE IN 60 SECONDS.

  • July 7, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Oh! and there was Jamie Foxx

    by Hipshot

    in a trailer for that movie about bad bosses, playing a criminal named "motherfucker Jones" or something. I suppose I should be grateful.

  • July 7, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Dayum! Hip, according to your last posts...

    by Stalkeye

    ...the Motion Picture Industry is moreso fucked up than ever. What's next, A remake of Birth of a Nation? Wasn't Super 8 produced by Speilberg? First Transformers (oh, and don't forget that Jazz, the "Black" Autobot was ripped in half by Megatron.) now Super 8? Stevie must be still pissed due to the Black Kids laughing during a High School screening of Schindler's List. Isn't one of his kids Black BTW? I smell a contradiction here.

  • July 7, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    RE:

    by Stalkeye

    Quote:"The filmmakers simply didn't value his life, or give a single living shit how it would feel to my son to see the only black man among hundreds of whites die protecting a woman who then went on to present herself sexually to a white guy." Ouch! He went out like a sucker and didn't even have a chance of hittin' that "Prize". Fucking FAIL!

  • July 7, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    RE: "I ALWAYS ROOT FOR THE NAZIS "

    by Stalkeye

    Double ouch. Now it wouldn't be the bringin' most of us love without the politically incorrect humor. (well, I hope you didn't make that post with a straight face atleast. (0:' ) glad you're still in good spirits despite the spamback from weeks ago. (jeebsus, wtf is up with your stalker friend Lex?!?) Welcome Back, 'back!

  • July 7, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    UltraTron's IMAX 3D D-Box Dark of The Moon review:

    by UltraTron

    Simply the most technically advanced cinema product ever produced. No film grain. No film. No digital looking anything. Just fucking real. Like you are standing there. Real. That's what it looks like. Plate photography of a city that looks pretty much indiscernible from reality. We're now in a new world where you can shoot a movie on film with all the grit and grain and cinema verte magic we all love; or you can capture reality and present it with added effects that match that reality to a level that can only be described as fusion. It is simply the best motion ride in history. With D-box seating it is nothing short of breathtakingly thrilling. The only ride I can think of to outdo it somewhat is the x2 roller coaster at magic mountain. Unfortunately they could not get the rest of the movie up to the same standards that the tech is. Frankly it would probably be to overwhelming to comprehend if the story matched the visuals. So in closing: Transformers 3 gives King Kong and Avatar a severe thrashing in the effects department. ILM has used their overseas facilities to great effect.This was not made in America. There are no longer effects artists working in Hollywood. This was created with the power of other country's economies. This is a product of cheap labor. Enjoy it while it lasts.

  • July 7, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    stalkeye

    by Hipshot

    Produced by Spielberg, but you have to give credit to Michael Bay and Jar Jar Abrams. I think Spielberg is a conscious dude, and not the slightest racist--I met him once, had a perfectly delightful conversation about him ghost-directing sequences of the last Star Wars, and those black kids he adopted give him reason to notice bullshit. But I don't think he tries to impose too much on other people's work. The trick is that this stuff is unconscious. I don't think that Spielberg would make these "mistakes", because he'd kind of "feel" something was wrong. J.J. and Bay don't have that sensitivity, so they don't think about it, allowing their unconscious preferences to guide their choices. Yeah, I think things are getting a little worse, which means that, perhaps, under social pressure (the economy?) we tend to become more tribal, less inclusive. Or perhaps the Browning of America (including the Prez) is bringing up some old, negative feelings. It will pass. But right now, it sucks.

  • July 7, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    I always root for Harry_the_Pedo

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Keep up the good work!

  • July 7, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    SPACE BATTLESHIP YAMATO

    by SonOfChiba

    Wow...what a big fuckin' letdown.

  • July 7, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    hipshot (SPOILER ALERT)

    by AsimovLives

    "They will never, and HAVE never, ever, even once, made a film in which the only white character dies to "ennoble or motivate" black people. Name a single movie in which this has happened, and I'll back off." Actually there is. It's a movie called POSSE directed and staring Mario Van Pebbles. The only white boy of the group is killed (he's played by Stephen Baldwin).

  • It's so prevalent that eventually it's impossible to ignore, even if you are never told about it. A friend of mine got to experience the exasperate reaction to what was a perceive occurenc eof that when he and his mate went to see ARMAGEDDON. There was a group of black portugueses near them. and when the shuttle that had the character played by Duncan Clarke in it crashed and fierly exploded (yeah, fire in space, welcome to the science of a michael bay movie), they got very upset and made the instant coment "sure, the back guy had to die!". In a weird turn of events, that fucking movie, which is a storm of cliches, actually subverted it when we realise one of the few who surived the crash was actually black actor Duncan Clarke. White boy Owen Wiklson dies, though. And Duncan survives the whole thing and is alive in the end. Weird to see a subversion of such an old cliche in a movie filled with clcihes made by a director who hasn't meet a cliche he doesn't like.

  • July 7, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    a group of black portugueses

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    There goes the neighborhood. Alert Mel Gibson!

  • July 7, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    asimovlives

    by Hipshot

    You're wrong, dude. In Posse, Stephen Baldwin was the only white guy in "the group"--but he wasn't the only one in the entire film. Try again.

  • July 7, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    hipshot

    by Mattman

    In Glory, a white guy dies fighting with his black soldiers (and spends much of the movie standing up for them at every turn). Unfortunately they all die too, so I'm not sure if that counts.

  • July 7, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Mattman

    by Hipshot

    Nice try. I know this is hard to grasp, but the condition isn't that "a black guy dies protecting white people" or something. It is that the ONLY black man in the entire movie dies. The balancing condition would be for the ONLY white man in a movie to die, leaving black people alive. I do not believe it has ever happened in an American film. (It happened in "Chinese Connection" of course). My point is that it happens often enough with black men to be a cliche, but has never happened at all with white. Never. Not one time, in all the countless thousands of films released. And that this is not an accident--it is an unconscious valuation, and the most profound insult imaginable.

  • July 7, 2011, 10:17 p.m. CST

    HIPSHOT

    by BSB

    Back to Super 8 - the black scientist's tormentor was white, but the guy who actually kills him was a black soldier, who did so with curious glee. Abrams was, without a doubt, cognizant of the racial casting and the implications. It's one thing to include a heroic black character, but he did so in quite a messy way.

  • July 7, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    STALKEYE

    by BSB

    All hail political incorrectness! Thanks for the welcome back but didn't really go anywhere except away for America's birthday weekend. As for GoblinLex, I have no idea where he be. Maybe he tired himself out, I dunno. That was a fuck of a lot of typing he did.

  • July 8, 2011, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Night of the Living Dead

    by Autodidact

    Black guy dies last... except I think in the real version Barbara runs out to the road and gets run over at the end.

  • July 8, 2011, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Hipshot...

    by 3774

    If it makes you feel any better, my friends and i will date a random black man for every movie death we see, and let them taste the forbidden fruit of Israel accordingly. No junk in our drawers tho, so i'm not sure how much luck we'll have. Guess i could sign up to blackpeoplemeet.com and see if they kick a white girl's profile. In the meantime, check this site out. http://www.blackhorrormovies.com/aboutus.htm

  • July 8, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    In Soul Plane

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    The plane is filled with black people except Tom Arnold and his family. Tom Arnold dies of a heart attack when he catches his wife grinding on that black dude with the huge cock.

  • July 8, 2011, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Tyler Perry's "The White Man Dies First"

    by Mattman

    Perry should use his inexplicable influence in Hollywood to make the first film where a the lone white character (played by Bradley Cooper) dies. "Ohh Lurrrd!"

  • July 8, 2011, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Wasn't Training Day initially written as a white corrupt cop

    by Mattman

    and young, virtuous black cop? That would have been interesting (although it also would have denied us one of the finest performances of Denzel Washington's career).

  • July 8, 2011, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Q

    by AsimovLives

    Oh for fuck's sakes! Splitting hairs are we now, dude?

  • July 8, 2011, 4:03 a.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    It's actually TWO white guys. Don't forget the character played by Cary Elwes, who was Broderick's lieutenent, and who assume command and lead the charge when Broderick's character is shot dead even before they reach the wall. And then Elwes gets killed with the rest of the company.

  • July 8, 2011, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Assimov

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    are you autistic?

  • July 8, 2011, 4:10 a.m. CST

    hipshot

    by AsimovLives

    Well, if you accept ENEMY MONE as metaphor for race relationships, then in that movie the movie's main white guy nearly dies to try to save the "blacks". Which in the movie are the aliens, and many of them are played by black actors in make up. The other white guys in the movie, which are the humans, are either slavers or pretty callous in their attitude toward slavery. Will that do? The beauty of SF is that it can tell the issues of the times without the need to go anvil on them.

  • July 8, 2011, 4:21 a.m. CST

    And by the way, accusations of Spike Lee being racist is ludricous.

    by AsimovLives

    Seems many people point DO THE RIGHT THING as example. But the movie actually takes pains to point out that the blacks are as much racist and suspicious and disrespectful of other races. For example, the guy who actually sets in motion the events that eventually leads to the destruction of Sal's pizzaria is played by Giancolmo Esposito. He's one of those Malcolm X's wannabe but in fact he's incredibly ignorant and racist. In fact, the least racist character, or should i say, the truly unprejudiced character in the whole movie is Sal himself. His son, unfortunatly, takes his frustration of life into an race issue. Sal actually takes pride that his pizas have fed the kids form his neighbourhood. He considers it HIS neighbourhood, despsite the majority of the population there no longer are italians but blacks, and with asian newly arriving and establishing. The beauty of DO THE RIGHT THING is not that he movie accuses whiteys of racism, but that blacks can be as racist and callous in the issue sof race as they accuse the whiteys of being. If anything, DO THE RIGHT THING is Lee saying "brothers, let's us not make the same mistakes, because that shit will only lead to blood, death and destruction". How can that be considered racist?

  • July 8, 2011, 4:39 a.m. CST

    autodidact

    by AsimovLives

    The thing i love about NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD, and proof of it's complexity and sophistication, is that Ben is actually the real heroic character in the whole movie, and never once the race issue is raised. He's heroic because he's courageous and he keeps his cool under pressure. And by far he's the most likable character in the movie. All his decision and actions are to help others. And his actions leads to everybody getting killed, directly or indirectly. Meanwhile, the asshole of the story is the one who's actually right the whole time, and in the end Ben survives when he does the exact thing the asshole had been proposing since the begining. And best of all? Never once it's shown that the reason why Ben and the asshole clash has to do with race issues. And this is a movie made in 1968.

  • July 8, 2011, 4:43 a.m. CST

    canned_dirty_ape

    by AsimovLives

    RULES OF ATTRACTION is a pretty good movie.

  • July 8, 2011, 4:44 a.m. CST

    hipshot

    by AsimovLives

    "In Posse, Stephen Baldwin was the only white guy in "the group"--but he wasn't the only one in the entire film." Oh for fuck's sakes! Splitting hairs are we now, dude?

  • July 8, 2011, 4:45 a.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    The oscar given to Denzel in TRAINING DAY reeked of "so sorry you didn't got one for MALCOLM X" type bullshit. And the movie is far lesser then most give it credit.

  • July 8, 2011, 5:15 a.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    You know how the PC designation for an americna black is african-american, corrrect? Well, in Portugal, the vast majority of the black population in here are actually people who were born in Africa. They came from Cabo Verde, Guiné-Bissau, Angola and Moçambique. So, literally, they are african-portugueses, the name actually describes them, instead of what happens in the USA where the vast majority of the blacks there have had ancestors in what's today USA soil since the early 19th century, if not way before. And then, most blacks in USA are descendent from caribbean slaves from the spanish and french caribbeans, and not directly from Africa as the myth says.

  • July 8, 2011, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Asimov Lives

    by Hipshot

    Splitting hairs? Are you kidding? You're changing the conditions. I say "the only black guy" and YOU say "'A' white guy." The only black man in the entire film dies--that is a 100% death rate. In "Posse" there are PLENTY of other white people left alive. So in your world, if ANY white man dies, that is equivalent to EVERY black man dying. I hope you can grasp the absurdity of that. But I think you are being honest--it really does feel equivalent to you--and to America in general, and Hollywood specifically. In "Enemy Mine" the white guy ALMOST dies, while the black man (if I accept your metaphor) played by Lou Gossett, ACTUALLY dies--and you don't even mention it. The "near" death of a white character is more important to you than the ACTUAL death of a black character. That...is a little scary. All of you who say "it's Hollywood" need to look at this. And Asimovlives isn't unique in this. Not at all. And white people aren't unique in this--it is pure unconscious tribalism, akin to familial feelings: "if my daughter skins her knee, it means more to me than the death of an entire village on the other side of the world." Everybody's that way. Translated to racial terms, if black men are emasculated (no sex) and exterminated (100% death rate) it is roughly equivalent to a white man being "threatened." Whoa. And BTW--yeah, SF uses aliens as metaphor for race, but SF is actually one of the most socially "conservative" forms of literature. Trust me on this--I've been involved in that field for decades, and SF is almost entirely white, and the images in their books are almost entirely "white people and their imaginary friends"--the same unconscious tribalism is right there, but they love to consider themselves oh-so-progressive and evolved. No. They're not.

  • July 8, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST

    asimovlives--on descendants

    by Hipshot

    Where did you get your statistics about blacks descended from caribbean slaves, not directly from Africa? I'd like you to specifically cite your sources, because that doesn't sound true to me at all. While most slaves that came to the Americas went other than to the United States, the majority of black Americans are, by every bit of research, as well as personal experience in discussing heritage, descended from southerners who were descended from American slaves. A minor percentage of them immigrated here from the islands after emancipation, and even fewer from Africa. So I respectfully dispute your contention that "most blacks are descendent from Caribbean slaves"--and ask for your sources.

  • July 8, 2011, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Training Day

    by Hipshot

    It is useful to note that Denzel got his Oscar for getting shot down like a dog, while Halle Berry got hers for whoring herself to a white man. Angela Bassett turned that role down, she was so offended. Her exact comment: "not all money is good money."

  • July 8, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST

    I hated Training Day

    by Autodidact

    I was literally rolling my eyes throughout much of that movie, but especially at the ending which relied more on ridiculous coincidence than any Roland Emmerich script. That was totally a case of someone deciding Denzel was gonna get an oscar that year.

  • July 8, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Asimovlives--on descendants

    by Hipshot

    The following quote from Wikipedia: "Most African Americans are the direct descendants of captive Africans who survived the slavery era within the boundaries of the present United States, although some are—or are descended from—immigrants from African, Caribbean, Central American or South American nations." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American ## While not the most scholarly and authoritative source, this matches not only my own reading, but a lifetime of observation. My own fathre came from Kansas, his father from Mississippi. My mother came from Georgia, her mother as well...on back as far as anyone can remember. I've spoken to hundreds, if not thousands, of black people across the country over the years, and their ancestral story is 90% the same: their parents or grandparents or great-grandparents came from slave states. About 10% have non-American ancestry, (African or Caribbean, etc.) of which they are very proud, and manage to let you know fairly early in the conversation, a little bit of one-upmanship. The ancestral pattern is like watching a slow-motion explosion that began at Emancipation, spreading North and West from the South and South-East. Some were emancipated as early as the 1700's, and their ancestors went North and established themselves in Boston or New York. But the percentage of American blacks who immigrated from the Islands or elsewhere is pretty negligible.

  • July 8, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Hollywood Racism.

    by 3774

    50 most recent racist movies of all time. Some of them are jaw-droppingly appalling. A couple of them seem like a bit of a reach to be on the list: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/44258486.html 5 unintentionally racist movies about racism: http://www.cracked.com/article/178_the-5-most-unintentionally-racist-movies-about-racism/ Wash it down with white guilt stand up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMoF4lAwmw

  • July 8, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    hipshot

    by AsimovLives

    "So in your world, if ANY white man dies, that is equivalent to EVERY black man dying." You are starting to get on my nerves. That shit was very, very, very insulting. I can take calling me an asshole for shitting on bad movies. but implying that i'm a racist is a whole different ball game. Are you trying to pick up a fight, is that it? Are you trying t pick up a fight? If so, say so directly and don't go with fucking evasives, ok? Becasue i'll not tolerate any moytherfucker calling me a racist, no matter what race he is. You got that, pal? This shit is getting serious. The ball is in your court now, pal.

  • Are you one of those who thinks that ancient egypcians were blacks and that Cleopatra was black? Because i want to know if will even need to bother to answer your question in light of what you think of that.

  • July 8, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Hollywood...

    by Hipshot

    Is less racist than America as a whole, and America, all things considered, seems to me less racist than the human race taken as a group. Love this country, but it's no more perfect than the human beings within it. Hollywood doesn't lead--it follows, going whereever the wind blows it. Anyone who thinks it is more racist than the average American simply hasn't looked at our history. Anyone who thinks America is more racist than the rest of the world hasn't looked at WORLD history. And no, whites aren't more racist than blacks. They just have more power so it hurts more.

  • July 8, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Egyptians being black...

    by 3774

    The answer is complicated, and still in the process of still being discovered. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy The short answer is, 'kind of'. Resume pissing match.

  • July 8, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Asimovlives...

    by Hipshot

    Hmmm. I'm not enthusiastic about being asked to take an intelligence test, really--find it mildly insulting. However, no, I'm not one of "those." Are you one of "those" who think Egyptians were white? Cleopatra was a Ptolomy--her father a Greek general, I believe. Egyptians were not white--too much genetic drift. But certainly didn't consider themselves black, based on their own iconography. They seemed to consider themselves "golden" people. If the Sahara desert hadn't cut them off from the rest of Africa they probably would have been much darker, but not "negroid" as we call it today.

  • July 8, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    pink-apocalypse

    by Hipshot

    I find it regrettable that so many black folks try to claim Egypt as a "black" civilization (although there were black pharoahs, and clearly they were mixed as a people. But this is no different from what anyone else does--try to claim anything good for their own. Fewer blacks think Egypt was black than whites think Jesus was blond haired and blue eyed. Look at the way the Buddha changes from India to China. This is just human stuff .

  • July 8, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    hipshot

    by AsimovLives

    The greek general lived 300 years before her death. He was Ptolomeus, one of Alexander Megalos general's, who made a bid and won Egypt for himself while the other generals fought for the rest of the empire. He ventually was proclaimed Pharao. So, yes, you got that part right, he was a greek. Macedonian, to be precise. So, yes, Cleopatra was a greek, a white. She was also the 8th of that name. Cleopatra the name itself means "a father's joy" or "daughter's devotion to her father", something like that. It's all greek to me, anyway. As for the race of the ancient egypticsn, it's easy: they were a semittes like people. AKA, they were white, but not fo the pale skinned kind. Basically, mediterraneans type. The black whee the nubians, which actually for a time invaded Egypt and rules as a dynasty for a century or so, until they were kicked out by the natives. The test was to see if you are one of those who beleive in that stupid nonsense form the afrocentric movements, which are as stupid and racist as the zionists and the white supremacists, turning and bulslhitting on history for the sake of their pseudo-argumention. I'm glad you are not one of those. Though your rhetoric made me suspect you were. Uff! Crisis averted. Listen, don't make all this race talk be your character definition. You might think that all this busienss of races is yet not all sorted out in western our society. It's true. But it's so far beter then it used to be. So far, far better. You can't deny that. You live at a tiem where two of the best payed and most popular stars in Holywood are black (Denzel Washington and Will Smith). That the biggest name in pop music and an internationally recognized and lsted after sex symbol is Beyoncé. Things are not the race dystopia you make it out to be. Are there some stupid stuff in movies whihc came across with unfortunate implications? Sure. But mroe then just be a white man's conspiracy against blacks, it's more the result of bad storytelling. You made a big fuzz about the black dude killed in SUPER 8. That's not JJ Abrams is a racist, but because he's stupid and a bad writer and director. He just writes cliches. He opens the big book of cliches and put them down in his movies. Because it's the only way he can make a movie. conspiracy and race hatred? Nonsense. As much i despise Abrams, he's not a racist. He's just stupid.

  • July 8, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    One thing that upsets me...

    by AsimovLives

    ... is this notion, specially found in USA, that cauxcains just refer to blond blue eyed people. It's wrong. The caucasian race is very diversified. It goes form the nordic blonde bleu eyed to the mediterranean top the semittes (jews and arabs). They are all whites. So, it really pisses me off when countires and cultures like in USa make a fine disitction between a nordic blonde and a latino and claims that latinos are a seperate race. No, they are just different hues of white. The blondies better deal with it.

  • July 8, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Ther eis one probable reason why...

    by AsimovLives

    ... so many people think that ancient egpycians could had been a darker race. It's form the depcition of the people in hteir murals. however, there's 3 things to take into consideration: One: With the exception of the rule of Aknathon, egypcian art was highly stylezed, and never atempt to depict realistic and naturalsitic representations of the people and the world they live in. All was stylized and metaphorical. So to take those murals as a true to life depiction of ancient egypcians is foolish. There's truth in those pcitorial representations, but one has to take into account the meaning behind the picture, and not take it at face value. So, ancient egypcians depcited with a redish hue of skin is not to represent the reality, but a representation of the different people in regard to their social cast. Two: Egpyt is a very hot place all year around. unlike today where people use full growns to rpotect form the sun's rays, ancient egypcians didn't. The normal egypcian would just dress a loin and go to work on the fields naked from above. This would tan them. As anybody knows about people who work inthe open, after a while you get a permanent tan. This is the reason why the expression rednecks came from, to represent people who worked in the open field and thus tanned by the sun. Three: to combat sun the ills of exposure, ancient egyptians used body make up. It was based on clay, which gave them a redish hue. This body painting worked the same effect as a sunblock. Since Egypt was so hot, egypciasn didn't used a lot of clothing (merely a loin in cas eof the boys and men). So, to protect themselves from the sun, they painted their bodies with a clay based solution. Also, they painted their eyes. At a time when there was no such thing as sun glasses, to paint your eyes does the same effect, as prevents reflection from the lower lids and this provoques an effective shade that protect the eyes like a sn glass. Also, they shaved their heads (hair can be pretty hot), and their used wigs instead, so it worked as a sun hat. So, the egypcians mannaged to fuse praticality with stylishness. Those ancient egypcians pride themselves in being quite the dandies.

  • July 8, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Asimovlives...

    by Hipshot

    You were pretty reasonable up until "Things are not the race dystopia you make it out to be." That's just absurd. I point out issues in film imagery and suddenly I'm describing America as a race dystopia? "Some of my rhetoric"? Give me a break, dude, you aren't reading carefully. I say that human beings have a preference for whatever they consider "their" group to be, and that this has some unfortunate consequences in the world. Pretty inarguable. I didn't talk about "one black man" killed in Super 8. I said there were only three (or perhaps 4) black people in the movie, and 3 of them were either tortured or killed. Nor did I imply there was a "white man's conspiracy"--I said specifically that this is what happens when the entire creative team is of one ethnicity--their unconscious preferences cause problems. This isn't "bad storytelling." The film and novel world is filled with stories created by group A in which group B is marginalized. UNCONSCIOUS. You need to read more carefully, dude. I don't "define" myself by my blackness, but I do enjoy commenting on social bullshit when I see it. Oh...and you never said where you got your statistics. Before you start trying to lecture me, or evaluate whether I'm worthy of your consideration, you should try either defending your statements, or admitting your error.

  • July 8, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Das Boot longest cut.

    by daglesj

    Often confusion reigns re. which cut is the longest. I have the US cinema cut. The Directors cut and also the mini-series cut on DVD. The Mini-series cut was released in the UK a few years ago (2004) on a two disc set. The running time is 282 minutes (a bit sohrter then the US version due to PAL speedup). Often folks think there is a longer version but thats actually taking the running of all 3 (iirc) 100 minute episodes which include opening and end credits and also "previously on Das Boot" catchups. There is no 500 minute version.

  • July 8, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Hipshot...

    by 3774

    ....i agree with everything you've said. Asimovlives is essentially correct in a few statements, but fails by "implying" things that have been stated which have not. As for the Egyptian race issue, they most certainly were not white, even with the 'non-pale' disclaimer. Arguing against the evidence of that would be revealing. About the arguer, not the evidence. Any black i know (especially my last boyfriend) will tell you by experience from society at large, that people with issues are going to believe that 'if it ain't white, it ain't right'. Splitting hairs on shades does not apply. i don't think most of the racism in movies (RE: black character death) is overt. Probably an accidental by-product of cliche'd, lazy writing, as Asimovlives pointed out. i never used to notice this stuff before, then with a previous relationship i starting seeing just how pervasive it is. It's irritating, and embarrassing. First Class pissed me off. A movie of that pedigree of sorts should have risen higher, and been smarter than that. Geek movies keep failing in that regard, and they shouldn't, because i've always been under the impression (delusion?) that they cater to a little more clever crowd, however strange the story packaging may be.

  • July 9, 2011, 8:35 a.m. CST

    pink_apocolypse

    by Hipshot

    I've worked in Hollywood for thirty years. Most of this isn't "cliche'd lazy writing"--in many cases, the race of these characters isn't even specified in the script until after casting. The director, casting director, and writers all share blame here. The question you have to ask, that people don't want to ask, is: why did this trope repeat often enough to become a cliche? It's a cliche that the last survivor in a horror film is a woman of child-bearing years. Why? Because it represents survival of the species. That, or a male-female pair: if the entire world dies, but a pair survives, emotionally, we can have a bit of hope. Working backwards from there, you can see who dies and in what order, as a loose statement of social value. The "druggie", the "loose girl", the "dweeb" and so forth all die first--they've broken social rules and "deserve" to die. And black people, male and female, are, on an unconscious level, simply not as valuable, judging by the frequency of casting in the "die first/die early" roles. Audiences rarely even notice (anyone comment on the fact that no black man had ever survived a James Cameron film prior to "Avatar"? Didn't think so--you don't notice what doesn't matter to you.) This stuff goes much deeper than "laziness" all the way to basic tribal values. And that stuff can only be overcome by being conscious and aware of the processes involved. One thing that amuses me is white guys constantly accusing me of saying there is a "white conspiracy" about this. No, I'm not, and never have. White people aren't smart enough to have been doing this deliberately--no one is. It's just our unconscious survival stuff bubbling up from the Id.

  • July 10, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    =I've worked in Hollywood for thirty years.=

    by KilliK

    give to the guy a medal.HA. ;P

  • WRONG. The black chick in The Abyss DOESNT die. The protagonist in Strange Days is black and doesnt die either.and that is in the script,nothing to do with the vision of the director. The black guy in T2 dies but 1.his death is one of the most dramatic ones filmed in a movie. 2.he saves the world 3.he is not a stereotype.he is a normal,everyday family man and a genius professional scientist. In Avatar the black guy dies.who told you that he doesnt? i think you should give that medal back.HA. ;)

  • July 10, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Killik--"wrong"? Can you read?

    by Hipshot

    Even what you write? Damn. I said "black man" and you say a "black chick" and claim I'm wrong? What a freaking joke. Now, if you don't know the difference between a man and a chick...talk to genderblender for a quick biology lesson. I don't mind the black guy in T2 dying--except it is part of a pattern. A 100% death rate, up to "Avatar". I'm clear that it doesn't bother you, fine. But please try thinking more clearly in the future before you try to prove me wrong about something.

  • July 10, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    I like how Harry triple posts on his own damn messageboard

    by Winston Smith

    Shitty coding, eh? Also, I like how he completely ignores the fact that calling everyone "nazis" in Das Boot is about as dumb as saying Luke Skywalker is the great villain of the Star Wars saga.

  • silly me,it seems to me that i must have completely misread all your comments about how black people dont survive in the movies and especially in Cameron's,yeah that must be.aha. in that case you are again WRONG.both men and women have survived in Cameron's movies Hicks and Ripley for instance in Aliens. And as Avatar goes,i will repeat again: the black guy sorry the MAN does die in the movie.true.

  • July 10, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    So I LOVED, LOVED 13 Assassins, there were only 2 things...

    by Winston Smith

    ...that kept it from being "perfect" for me, but they were both minor. Firstly, when you see the one girlfriend in the river eating her... uterus was it? That was just random, and even oddly cut in. I was completely invested in the movie, then that pops up and suddenly I'm thinking, "oh yeah this is a Miike movie." Took me out of the experience, should have been cut OR we should have had more of a reason to see that. It was just strange. And then finally the very end, I like the IDEA of it a lot, but really, I think it would have been more powerful if, once he says, "it's such a burden... live your life...", CUT, END, with the last surviving guy contemplating this in the CU they have. It would have had more impact for me. Also, I haven't seen the full cut, but I watched the deleted scenes which I assume were all in the full Japanese cut, and I think the film is better without them, partly for the same reasons I mentioned above. I actually think for once the trims made sense and made a stronger picture. Sometimes less is more. I feel the same way about Payback, the "studio" cut was better than the straight-up cut. Overall, though, 13 Assassins really does live up to the hype, and I don't feel embarrassed to say that I think it's literally in the same league as Seven Samurai, which also isn't quite a perfect film. Those two are the best to me. Twilight Samurai and Sword of Doom are also excellent samurai films, and I was actually a big fan of 2003's Zatoichi.

  • July 10, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Killik

    by Hipshot

    I say, it is observable that black people die more often. Black men die the most. I said "black men" never survived a Cameron film until Avatar and first you mention a black woman, and then you mention a white male surviving "Alien," neither of which addresses my original statement. That is either seriously lazy or outright...well, I won't be impolite, but let's just say that you either aren't interested in actually engaging in the question and are using some seriously sloppy argumentation, or...well, again, I don't wish to be impolite.

  • July 10, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Hipshot, what are your thoughts on Collateral?

    by Mattman

    I just remembered this one. The white cop (Mark Ruffalo) who is Jamie Foxx's only real hope is gunned down. Foxx then kills the white villain himself. Seems at odds with a lot of Hollywood racial cliches that have been mentioned above.

  • July 10, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Denzel won for playing an instant classic of a villain

    by Mattman

    The character felt very fleshed out, as though you could make several movies based on his past experiences. It's a wonderfully nuanced performance that becomes even more interesting on repeat viewings, which shine a new light on every facial tick and gesture. Training Day is not a masterpiece or anything, but Washington grabs the audience by the balls in that role. His winning had nothing to do with Malcolm X, which was many years before. He had already won best supporting for Glory.

  • July 10, 2011, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Enjoyed "Collateral"

    by Hipshot

    I've never thought, or implied that all Hollywood (or America, or anything else) is bigoted or anything like it. Merely that there are statistically significant patterns of exclusion, death and asexual imagery. I would say that much has improved, but I'll never be satisfied until blacks are represented in films roughly equivalent to their proportion of the population, and when presented are as sexual, and survive as frequently as white males--and dark-skinned males are sexual/romantic with white females as often as dark-skinned females are presented as sexual/romantic with white males (Rosario Dawson, Thandie Newton, and Halle Berry being prime examples of a fascinating pattern). But yep! Things are much better these days. And miles to go before we sleep.

  • July 11, 2011, 12:35 a.m. CST

    asimovlives, Glory

    by Mattman

    Ah yes that's right. Brutal fucking movie. It's been a while since I watched it. I need to do so again.

  • with the words in order to cover up your fuck up than simply admit that you were wrong,you dont give me the slightest reason to take you as a fellow debater seriously? you do understand that right? But i will do you your favor.You insist that you were not talking about how black people in general die in movies,but more specifically about black men,not black women.and you mentioned JC as an example.well even in that case you are still WRONG. remember the black inspector lt Huxley in T1? well i have news for you.HE DOESNT DIE.he is heavily wounded but he is not dead.on the other hand his fellow partner,who is white,gets killed while he tries to avenge his wounded black friend.OOPS. any comment about the above? or you will tell me now that you were talking about black aliens and not black men?

  • If that's who you mean, then he died. He was riddled with bullets.

  • If that's who you mean, then he died. He was riddled with bullets.

  • July 11, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    RE: Paul Winfield's character Lt. Traxler

    by Stalkeye

    In the deleted scenes of The Terminator Blu Ray disc,The mortally wounded Traxler hands his gun to Reese telling him to protect Sarah. Then dies with his eyes open. Nuff said.

  • July 11, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Hipshot...

    by 3774

    Thank you for the clarification, and with what observations i have made, i agree. i just thought i'd let you know that, so that it doesn't seem like you are throwing sand in the wind here. i stand by my original thought. Trying to argue that this doesn't exist is denying the entire history of Hollywood, and a handful of positive examples do not 'disprove' it either.

  • July 11, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    WRONG.he died in the deleted scene.but not in the movie.

    by KilliK

    he was still alive in his last scene.so can equally assume that he survived.and deleted scenes dont count as established facts no? i know i am playing with semantics right now,but i am not the one who started this.

  • So what if Traxler's death wasn't shown in the final cut. And even if we didn't see the deleted scene, how in the hell could a seriously wounded Man walk out of a burning Police Station? it's apparant that there were absolutely NO surviviors other than Kyle and Sarah. Just because a scene is omitted, that doesn't mean that said scenario didnt take place within the film's "reality". That's like saying that the Director's Cut of Terminator 2 (restored scenes: sarah's vision/dream of Reese, Her attempt to smash The T-1000's CPU, ETC.) does not take place next to it's theatrical counterpart. I shouldn't have wasted my time explaining this to you, but then again, I forgot who I'm debating with. (0:'

  • July 11, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST

    The real question is did Bill Paxton die?

    by Mattman

    Because if he did, he's been killed by the Terminator as well as the Predator and Aliens.

  • July 11, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    hobo with a shotgun

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    gave it a shot..............didn't really like it.

  • July 12, 2011, 3:25 a.m. CST

    actually Traxler was wearing a vest.and he was shot on the

    by KilliK

    right,top corner of his chest.so the shot didnt hit some vital organs,and if it did the vest would have reduced the damage. My point is that there is no established fact in the movie that Truxler did indeed die.and personally i always thought that he did survive after the massacre because of that reason alone and also because he was one of my fav characters from the movie and i didnt like him to see go like that. *Just because a scene is omitted, that doesn't mean that said scenario didnt take place within the film's "reality". * well the general consensus says otherwise.if it isnt in the movie,it doesnt count.besides is this not how your american judicial system works? heh. *That's like saying that the Director's Cut of Terminator 2"* actually those deleted scenes didnt change anything vital from the movie,they dont show a dead character as alive or the opposite. I dont deny that Truxler didnt die,hell ask Iron Jim and he will say that he did,but from the moment that this is not clearly depicted in the film,that allows without restriction for any kind of interpretation.Simply put i can say that he did live in the movie and there is no proof that you use to debate it.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:11 a.m. CST

    by Stalkeye

    Quote: "My point is that there is no established fact in the movie that Truxler did indeed die.and personally i always thought that he did survive after the massacre because of that reason alone and also because he was one of my fav characters from the movie and i didnt like him to see go like that." Favorite character? You couldn't even get his name right. Cites: "remember the black inspector lt Huxley in T1? well i have news for you.HE DOESNT DIE.he is heavily wounded but he is not dead." If "Iron Jim" offcially states that Ed (Traxler) gave up the ghost, than his statements overide the general consensous. Sometimes you have to delve deeper beyond the film via perception to draw the obvious conclusions based on certain scenes and events. Ask anyone on this board and i'll bet the overall sentiment would go in the opposite favor of what you are proclaiming. Ed is DEAD! As dead as Fried Chicken.

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