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We will not vanish without a fight! We’re going to live on! We’re going to survive! Today, The Behind the Scenes Pics of the Day celebrates our Independence Day!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

There really wasn’t any other option today, was there? As we close in on our 1 year anniversary of Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day I realized this is the first Fourth of July for the column and we’ve never covered Independence Day… it’s like fate was telling us it’s time to cover one of the biggest summer blockbuster spectacles of my teen years.

Unfortunately I didn’t have any images, but the very kind Philip Guest responded to a call-to-arms on Twitter with some great images scanned from his collection. So, thanks for that Mr. Guest.

I’ve got multiple images to share with you today. It’s a celebration, so why not go hog wild with fireballs and some fantastic model work. ID4 fell at an interesting crossroads of big budget filmmaking… CGI was a new technology that was still finding its legs. ID4 slipped in just before the norm for this scale production was green screens, wire-frames and rooms filled with animators.

That’s not to say that ID4 wasn’t cutting edge at the time or that CG didn’t play a part, but take a look at today’s pics and tell me that if this movie was made 5 years later that any of these shots wouldn’t be completely CG. That’s part of the charm of the movie… when you see the White House get blown up you know something real is getting blown to shit.

Thanks to again to Philip Guest for pulling out his Making of Independence Day book for all of us to enjoy on this very day! Click to embiggen!








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  • July 4, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST



  • July 4, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by Timahh

  • July 4, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' America.


    I love it. Warts, botox lips, squarish fake tits and all. Now let's grab a High Life and a Nathan's hot dog and toast the good ol' US of fucking A.

  • July 4, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Worst. Movie. Ever

    by disfigurehead

    What a pile of shit! I couldn't believe how much it sucked.

  • July 4, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Still one of my most enjoyable theater experiences ever,

    by frank

    even though it doesn’t hold up well to repeated viewings. To me it represents the perfect dumb action movie. I wouldn’t really expect younger people who didn’t see this in the theater when it first came out to think much of it, but it was kind of a phenomenon in the summer of ’96. Letterman had every major cast member on his show.

  • July 4, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Shit movie.

    by Arkhaminmate001

  • July 4, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Independence Day 2 + 3?

    by aphextwin that still in development hell? I like the concept of the aggressors coming back for retaliation, but in the meantime, earth has upgraded its own military warfare with the acquired alien technology. And Will Smith as what I could remember...sort off...maybe

  • July 4, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Actually, the best way to celebrate the Fourth is to


    pop a couple Viagra, rent out an IMAX theater all to yourself with a high-interest credit card, cue up TRANSFORMERS 3 in 3D and bugger that undocumented worker you hired to be your maid while chugging can of Budweiser after can of Budweiser.

  • July 4, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    the movie that prevented Indy 4 being made in the 90s


    or so it seems listening to the spielberg interview on the dvd

  • July 4, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    This blew

    by DrCavor

    my six year old mind. Now I only watch it when I want to see something spectacular. But fuck me if David Arnold didn't deliver one of the most breathtaking soundtracks of the nineties.

  • July 4, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    A better Fourth of July movie pic would have been...

    by cinematt

    Something from the Tom Cruise classic "Born On The Fourth Of July". One of my favorite movies from Oliver Stone, I saw this at an impressionable age when it came out in '89, and it changed the way I thought about the American form of government forever. Cruise was brilliant, knocked it out of the park, and got robbed of an Oscar for this (Fuck Jeremy Irons and My Left Foot). I've watched this film on each and every Fourth of July since I acquired it, and it never gets old. God bless not just the Vietnam vets, but ALL Vets of ALL Wars. the United States, it's government and its peoples owe you all more then can ever be repaid. Thank you, Vets. And God Bless America!

  • Get your shit straight before you start awarding Tom Cruise retroactive Oscars. CHOPPED.

  • What a fucking disaster.

  • July 4, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I celebrate the 4th of July by fucking an English chick


    a Vietnamese chick, an Iraqi chick, an Afghan chick, a Mexican chick... And then I let a Chinese chick fuck me.

  • July 4, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by Transhuman

    Are you sure you don't mean War of the Worlds? I've seen Spielberg talk about how he would have made that 12 years earlier if not for ID4. I don't know what it would have to do with Indy 4 though.

  • July 4, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Elfman robbed of a nomination for his BATMAN score ...


    Williams having two scores nominated, but losing to THE LITTLE fucking MERMAID. BARON MUNCHAUSEN losing the makeup award. All of these clear snubs, and you're whining about Cruise losing to Daniel Day-fucking-Lewis???? Yeesh.

  • July 4, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    The effects in this film still hold up.


    Say what you want about the movie but it was one of the last great examples of model/miniature effects at its finest.

  • July 4, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    Independence Day is a very dumb movie...

    by Zardoz

    and yet, I still love it! Dumb plot, cartoon characters, giant explosions! It just works! Definitely a guilty pleasure of mine. Interesting tid-bit: friend of mine was at a party in L.A. a few months after this movie was released and he was ripping the shit out of the movie with some people, when one man got visibly upset and walked away. "Who was that?", my friend asked. "Roland Emmerich!" was the reply. Oops!

  • July 4, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the correction on "My Left Foot" Choppa, but...

    by cinematt

    to get back on point. Which of those two movies has a greater resonance on American audiences? "My Left Foot" was the story of Christy Brown, who was born with cerebral palsy. He learned to paint and write with his only controllable limb - his left foot. "Born on the Fourth of July" was the true story of Vietnam Vet Ron Kovic who returns from the war a parapalegic and finds a country that has been so torn assunder by changing political views that he himself is changed down to his very soul. My point: "My Left Foot" is fine as a film, but "Born" is a film that impactfully displays the inconceivable tumultuousness of America in a time of war. "Foot" may have taken the Oscar, but "Born" has a stronger resonance with Americans, hence, the greater film. As for Tom Cruise, i personally dont like a lot of his films, but I'm of the mind that "Born" was his best performance. And Willem Dafoe's input in "Born" took it to a whole 'nother level. Nice talking with you, Choppa. Good luck in all your future choppings. Have a nice day!

  • July 4, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    transhuman - re INDY 4/WOTW


    dont know if Spielbergs WOTW was put on hold due to ID4 (which was basically an updated version of WOTW too, right down to the 'virus' end...Spielberg wouldve been better off being faithful to the book and setting it 19th Century England - which im sure i read somewhere was the original intention...maybe The Time Machine remake had something to do with the setting being updated) i do remember reading that WOTW was delayed due to 9/11 and the fall out from that (HW steering clear of disaster movies) anyway regarding Indy 4 - Spielberg def says on the making of dvd that ID4 kind of killed dead the proposed alien storyline Saucer Men From Mars - which apprently was going to be a more 'alien invasion' type thing than KOTCS turned out

  • What a terrible movie this is!

  • Over MY LEFT FOOT, which was nominated. But Tom Cruise was NOT better than Daniel Day-Lewis. He was good, very good. But Day-Lewis was GREAT.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Asi, tell us how you really fell about the movie.


  • Great fucking thinking going on! I'm insulted and i'm not even american! Would had it been too hard if they actualyl had brough soemthing with a little bit more in tune to the spirit of the festivity, and dare i say, quality? Like, say, somethign about the HBO Tv show JOHN ADAMS? Wouldn't had that been sweet? But no, it had to be the gay ass pussy shitty fucking retard crapass ID4 fuckass shitfiest! Fuck's sakes! There has to be some law somewhere that declares such thing as an act of treason!

  • July 4, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Fuck ID4. Fuck it up it's fucking ass!

    by AsimovLives

  • July 4, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    asimovlives - You're in touch with your anger. I admire that.


    you dont ever want to see me angry...believe me

  • July 4, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Fuck ID4 up it's fucking ass.

    by AsimovLives

    It's worth repeating.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Now dat's what I call a close encounter.

    by Aaron

    Seminal movie experience for me. As terrible as I know it to be, I can still watch it all the way through, any time. I was in 8th grade. The whole theater was packed full, back when theaters got so full that people were standing in the aisles. The audience was cheering and getting into it so hard. Man, it was like being at a fuckin big rock n roll show, like seeing Aerosmith or Metallica: not really quality but still awesome. I made a bunch of terrible fan films using toys from this movie. Particularly the Polly Pocket-esque mini playsets that were shaped like the alien heads. You opened them up and they had a miniature city inside with collapsing buildings and a mothership that shot a missile and a couple of jets and UFOs. I loved my life. The effects are pretty great, even though you can really see the comp lines or whatever they're called. Lots of practicals. Those were the days. By the way, I'm zurenarrh and I like movies. Figured since I never formally introduced myself, why not. Greetings to you all, hope everybody has a safe and fun holiday.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    It's only a model

    by ScreamingPenis

    welcome to earth

  • And Spielberg backed out because of this crappy movie? About an Indiana Jones movie? What fucking possible worry could he had? Since when ID4 would stand a chance against an Indiana Jones movie?

  • July 4, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Don't forget that DRIVING MSS DAISY also beat out DO THE RIGHT THING for the oscar. So, it was 3 good movies that got fucked up by the old lady movie.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'm no fan of Tom Cruise either, to the point that i can't stand him anymore in a movie, and i actively stoped watching his movies, no matter how good reviews they got. However, his acting in BORN IN THE 4TH OF JULY is indeed great. It is his best acting job of his whole career, and he was like 27 then.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST


    by Jeremy Bayles

    love the pics so great to see those old model shots

  • July 4, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Anybody with your nick should feel ashamed to say anything positive about the abortion that is ID4. Nothing whatsoever excuses that pile of this.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    So Asi, so you're saying what, you don't like the movie?

    by empty_headed_animal

    I'm all confused as you're not expressing yourself clearly enough.

  • You guys can't imagine how funny physics can be until you read the coments that Professor Krauss writes about the whole failure in even the most basic laws of physics that the movie presents in what puts onscreen. It makes the computer virus compatibility in the movie look like complete realism in comparison. Science was never this funny! What did ID4 fucked up, you ask? EVERYTHING! Everything!!

  • July 4, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST


    by Xiphos_2

    you worthless disgrace of an Iberian. As a human being you rank somewhere below pile of dried shit.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    i was disappointed too

    by mick vance

    i was so hyped for the aliens in this movie and thought they might actually do something really cool with them. aside from the alien using Data to say "die," nothing was really memorable with the aliens. looking back at this now, there's just a whole bunch of parts that make me cringe. i think the biggest one is when will smith's chick rescued the first lady (because it's plausible) and tells her she's a dancer, and the first lady thinks ballet and not exotic. yeah, eff this movie.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    asimov : Indy 4


    i think the reasoning was ID4 came out and was huge and had sort of 'done' aliens so Spielberg felt that doing aliens in Indy 4 (which Lucas had been working on since the early 90s) would make it less special/as if they jumping on the alien bandwagon (which had really being brought back in the early 90s with XFiles) and as we all know when they eventually did it the aliens had merged into 'interdimentional beings' and had taken on the more Indy-esque crystal skull/ancient astronaut/chariot of the gods thing

  • July 4, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    xiphos_2, go troll your mother, motherfucker.

    by AsimovLives

  • July 4, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    And you mistake that shit you wrote for wit, right?

  • July 4, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    we're simpatico, asimovlives

    by cinematt

    You and I are very much on the same page when it comes to Tom Cruise. There's maybe a very few handful of Tom Cruise movies I've enjoyed, beyond those, I dont really connect with Cruise in terms of his acting. I thought he was great in "War of the Worlds" but thats mostly because I'm a geek for nearly any incarnation of "War of the Worlds" (except for the crappy C. Thomas Howell one). It's just that I think "Independence Day" was an overblown unenjoyable film, and to use it as some kind of icon to commemmorate our country's birthday seems lacking. If not "Born On The Fourth Of July", couldnt we at least have had an image from Jimmy Cagney's "Yankee Doodle Dandee"? We should celebrate AMERICA today, not crappy special fx movies, arent we getting enough of that with "Transformers 3" this weekend???

  • ... that's how SFX were still made all the time. Now, i have toa dmit, there is a lot of very good SFx in ID4. Too bad it's in the service of such a shitty movie.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    IJ and the Saucermen From Mars

    by Acquanetta

    cartmanez is correct. Indy 4 was originally intended to be a homage to 50s movies like "Earth vs. The Flying Saucers", complete with ufos flying around the southwestern desert. Both Lucas and Spielberg have said the release of ID4 killed the idea.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    ID4 vs WOTW (2005) - which was best


    its a tough call

  • July 4, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Great Pics! this is why the SFX in this movie still hold up

    by cgih8r

    They blended the real models with the CGI and didn't sell out, probably because they didn't have a choice but the film still holds up today. Anyone who criticizes this movie for being a dumb action flick is pretty much showcasing to their own stupidity. Dumb action sells, and this movie was one of the most enjoyable dumb action flicks EVER!

  • July 4, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    ^ Came out in July 96

    by Autodidact

    Love this movie and as I mention to harry periodically, I'll continue visiting AICN daily as long as ID4 is in the wallpaper. To me, ID4 is everything *summer popcorn movies* and AICN are really about. I love Dante's Peak and Armageddon to a similar degree, for all the same reasons... complete and total cheese delivered without the self-awareness that ruins most such efforts these days... really great physical effects... and total bug-nuts destruction.

  • then maybe wed of had IJ 5 (Atlantis?) for around 2001 and IJ 6 (Bermuda Triangle?) for around 2008...

  • July 4, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Would Love a Sequel to This

    by Autodidact

    I think they should have made "ID4 2009" instead of "2012". With clever enough writing (snort) you could tie the Nibiru legend to the alien mothership...

  • July 4, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    No real nostalgia for this

    by Acquanetta

    It's mindless fun, but for me, ID4 doesn't represent anything particularly old-school. It's more like the point when I felt f/x starting to overtake storytelling in hollywood blockbusters- paving the way for stuff like Armageddon, The Mummy, etc. Compared to stuff like Star Wars, Back to the Future, Terminator 2, Jaws, Raiders, etc., there's really no comparison in terms of combining f/x with good storytelling.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    i think id rather see a sequel to Twister than ID4


  • July 4, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    You people are ridiculous

    by LouisCedar

    ID4 is a fun, cheesey movie. You people are absolutely ridiculous. Seriously, this talk back hosts some of the most needlessly pretentious, baselessly condescending opinions that I've read on this site. Here's a word to the wise: trashing anything and everything save for a select few films doesn't make you sound intelligent, it makes you sound like a whiney, unintelligent, snob with zero ability to formulate any sort of valid opinions about anything.

  • July 4, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST




  • July 4, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    with this, JP 1&2 Goldblum was like the Harrison Ford of the 90s


    kids of the 70s and 80s grew up with HanSolo, Indiana Jones and Reeves Superman as heroes kids of the 90s grew up with Dr. Ian Malcolm , David Levinson and Clooneys Batman

  • July 4, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST


    by Rebeck2

    I'm not a big fan of ID4, but instead of swearing pointlessly and repetitively, why don't you actually give us the REASONS you hate the movie so much? Wouldn't that be more productive for any debate and discussion? Or are you unable to articulate that any more intelligently than "fuck it up it's ass!". I mean, seriously, how old are you? It's just a fucking movie! Give your reasons for not liking it and let us all in on your sophisticated critiquing skills. I'll give my two cents: The first time I saw it on the big screen I thought it was silly but lots of fun and kind of thrilling. The second time I saw it it just seemed silly and that kept it from being genuinely exciting in a repeat viewing. The third time I thought it was a big turd. Corny, cliched, contrived, etc. I guess I was seduced by the big-screen impact and the special-effects the first time, which is unusual for me. But nobody had done alien invasion on that scale before, so it felt retro but fresh at the same time. Now you... Remembering past posts from you I'm guessing it's worst sin in your book was the whole American thing. Is that why you hate it so much? Or what is it?

  • July 4, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    autodidact/headgeek - ID4: 2012


    at the end as the camera pulls back all they need done is reveal it to be the ID4 alien mothership that caused all the chaos

  • July 4, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Great BTS shots for a great, yes great, movie.

    by gabbygall

    yeah yeah, the virus bit was fucking stupid as was most of it - but themoaning on here come from a bunch of fuckwads who get upset because their transforming car/robot movie doesnt live up to their expectations. ID4? Fucking love it!

  • July 4, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Itr's sad that one would need to give reasons to why ID4 is such a piec eof shit, instead of it being self-evident for any movie geek, to borrow from Thomas Jefferson (the self-evidence part, you know? 4th July, independence, constitution, Jefferson?). But realyl this is what puts sadness to my heart, that the fact such movies are complete crap, like ID4, Armageddon, Abrams Trek, Any of the Bayformers movies, need to be explained why. How it come to this?

  • No, it's the jingoist thing. And that's ONE of the movie's seas of problems it has. The most rampant being it's total mental retardness.

  • July 4, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Asimoiv Lives..

    by gabbygall

    Then why bother watching them mate? If you know these big popcorn movies are going to disappoint why do you go and see them - but then, if you dont, why have such a strong opinion about them? Like any artform - movie making is also a business - if you wanted to see an Arthouse Transformers movie or Arthouse Armageddon then prepare to be disappointed. You are not forced to watch them - but still you do and you end up disappointed. I feel sorry for you in a way mate as it seems you dont know how to let your hair down and just have a good time. Also, it might be worth going to have a chat with a Doctor about those anger & hate issues you have.. Hope you get it sorted!

  • July 4, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST

    The only movie I walked out of!

    by batfunk

    ID4, together with Van Helsing, are the only two films I ever regret seeing. Roland Emmerich should be banned from making movies.

  • July 4, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Acording to Professor Lawrence Krauss, the aliens of ID4 would had won just by being there. As soon they would had parked their mothership at a geostationary orbit, they would had wreack avoc of the whole Earth and terminated makind without evne needing to pick up a fight. The motehrship's mass, which as said inthe movie being 1/3rd of the moon, but being so close to Earth, would cause a gravitational effect on Earth 400 times stronger thenthe Moon. Think of what that would imply in regard to sea tides, and even on the Earth's crust, causing all vulcanos on Eaerth to erupt at the same time, while ther would be Earthquakes going on silmutaneously all over the world. Tital tsunamis, earthquakes, vulcanos, all going on att he same time, for months and months, as long as the mothership was parked there. And then, and this is the even worst part, after a few months, and if the mothership was orbiting countering the Earth's rotation, it would break down the speed of the Earth's rotation until the Earth would face the same side to the mothership. Meaning, Earth would always present the same side to thesun, while the other side would be in permanent night shadow. Think about that. Pretty bad, isn't it? Actually, the aliens wouldn't even need to do this to exterminate mankind,because their mere arrival would kill everybody and everythignon Earth. How, you ask? The mere act of breaking their speed to arrive at Earth's orbit. To decelerate, you lose energy. Breaking transforms velocity into heat. It doesn0't matter if the vehicle is traveling on tarmac or inthe vaccum of space, it's simple inertia and thermodynamics at work. To decelerate means you are no longer traveling at inicial speed, and the diference is transformers into heat. It doesn't mater what tipe of propultion the aliens are using, be it chemial, anti-matter, gravitational. Movement is always transformers into energy and vice-versa. The breaking of speed of the mothership means it would had to counter-force it's primitive direction. This is vaccum, you cna't use the aroundmedium to air-break because there's no air to air-break. So, regardless of whatever propultion system, they use, it still needs to do what rockes in space do to slow down: to fire up in the direction of their target. The amount of energy released as heat via infra-red radiation (heat is transmited by infra-red radiation), would be so big that it would be compared to having a sun right up our heads very close by. The very approach of the mothership would cook our atmosphere, vaporize our oceans and turn the Earth's surface to cinder. Think about that. Will Smith would had enver stand a chance to punch an alien and deliever a lame punchline.

  • Neither requires any intelligence to speak of on the part of the viewer, but whereas Independence Day demonstrates very solid storytelling skills and contains likeable (if two dimensional) characters, compelling action sequences and good-natured (if cheesy) humor, TF is a sleazy, confused mess with absolutely no remotely likeable characters, chaotic action sequences and mean-spirited, extremely lowbrow humor. It is easy to group the two films together, but in my opinion they are totally different.

  • July 4, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST

    ^ Asi, More Posts Like That

    by Autodidact

    Less busting your ass veins raging at JJ Abrams.

  • July 4, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Asimov lives - they used an anti-mass device.

    by gabbygall

    Science fiction mate - you can make it up as you go along.. Easy. So you see, the ship did not exert any influence on the tides etc as they had a special anti-mass/anti-gravity field generator fitted - they had this to prevent the earth begin destroyed by their close proximity and thus allowing them to have a pristine planet to rape,pillage and loot.. Keep them coming, I can do this all night! To get through the earths atomosphere? They just made their ship out of a zero friction material thus not causing the ship to generate heat upon entry to the earths atmosphere.. Just make it up as you go along!

  • July 4, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    That first shot is awesome

    by Bass Ackwards

    Miniatures are always cools, but a miniature jet in a miniature canyon with a real explosion? I didn't even know they made model jets that could actually fly, I want! Or am I just missing seeing the fishing line?

  • 1996 a 5 year old goes to see ID4 then grows up with The Lost World, The 5th Element, Godzilla, Batman and Robin, The Avengers, Lost in Space, the SW prequels, The Mummy, Star Trek Insurrection, Armegeddon, Burtons Apes, etc

  • July 4, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    id4 is the site's wallper?????

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    WTF, I never saw that before, I always thought it was just a design, now I can't help but see the white house being sploded

  • July 4, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah... I love this movie

    by Manatee

    Dog help me. My wife and I love giving it the MST3K treatment. It doesn't have a thought in its big dumb head. Too bad it's only playing on HBO today. Poor fucks get screwed again.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST

    I know I'm in the minority on this one but...

    by notcher

    This movie is as dumb as dumb gets. And honestly speaking, I think it's incredibly overrated. The characters are very annoying and when I revisited this film not long ago, I was shocked at how much I hated it. Roland Emmerich makes dumb shit, period.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Jesus, Choppah and I agree about something.

    by notcher

    Driving Miss Daisy was NOT better than Born on the 4th of July and Glory may have been the best film that year. And in typical Hollywood fashion, neither got the nod. Driving Miss Daisy went down the road of obscurity with other such Best Picture winners as Crash, The Hurt Locker, and the most recent thief, The King's Speech. Why the fuck can't Hollywood ever get it right?

  • July 4, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    model work will never be topped...

    by alienindisguise

    cgi has been a mainstay with us for 20 years at least and most of it still looks like shit. Maybe there will come a time when top notch artists are in command of the computer and can create greatness but so far that shit hasn't happened yet. Avatar has come the closest.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    You're not in the minority, ID4 is a detestable piece of shit. It was one of the first blockbusters that really was just shit, where no effort was put in on the screenwriting and directing front. Just garbage. Looking back 1977 - 1995 was the golden age of blockbusters, ID4 was where the rot set in, and its box office success showed the studios that the director need not be talented and know what he was doing. So farewell Verhoeven, McTiernan, Donner and hello Emmerich, Bay and Sommers. Fuck.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    My god I love miniatures!

    by pills_26

    As for the actual But seeing this pics makes me feel sort of sad that this brilliant special effects art is dying out. Only Peter Jackson is really keeping at it now... and it's taken up till now for CGI to barely match the realism of a miniature. Great bts shots for a middly film.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST


    by Madcapper

    Always wondered about that crazy wallpaper. What the hell is it? Can't be from ID4...can it?

  • July 4, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Shit! I think it is!

    by Madcapper

    What does it mean Headgeek?

  • July 4, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Why is it every time one of these cheesy action movies is posted


    We get a long-winded, pretentious, fucking pointless science lesson from Assimov? Dude there's no need to explain to us all the technical reasons for the plot holes. We all understand, that you can't fly up to an alien spaceship and upload a human made computer virus. Guess what? By the looks of this talk-back, no one really fucking cares! It was a fun, entertaining, cheesy movie. It has A LOT going for it. Not every film needs to be 2001. In fact I hope they never make another movie as dreadfully dull and boring as that "piece of shit faggotry shit fuck" by the way, you're the only person that uses the word faggot around here. Some people get banned for it, I don't know why your annoying ass gets away with it. FAGGOT

  • July 4, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Where inthe movie is ever stated the aliens used some anti-gravity thingy? And if anything, it would make matters even worst. The tidal waves created by the reaction between gravity and anti-gravity would wooble the Earth so much that the entire crust would melt in no time. Your explanation makes things even worst. And it doesn't matter if their drive is anti-gravity, it still means it takes energy to go about. Movement equals energy, no matter what is your propultion system. Chemical rockets or anti-gravity, the energy requirements are the same. and it all comes out as heat. The Earth would still be reduced to a cinder by the very aproximation of the mothership. As Robert Heinlein once said, in the universe there are no free lunches.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    These guys are like

    by ufoclub1977

    special effect o' philes. They suffer from specialeffectophelia... but I love seeing their movies for the effects. They are living my elementary and middle school dream, and probably having a lot of fun.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Let's plow the road!

    by Denty420

    Has to be a fucking strong plough to penetrate concrete.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Asimov... heat from deceleration

    by Autodidact

    How do you know they're not using some type of Alcubierre drive? To slow down they just flip the orientation of the bubble and now gravity is pulling opposite to their velocity. I don't think that would induce much heat.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    the MACbook computer virus compatibility STILL cracks me up

    by theDORK

    One of the funniest big event summer movies of it's time. It's stupidity and unintentional humor make it hold up for me, once in a viewing while.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Since we were talking about Oscar snubs...

    by UltimaRex

    TDK. Thank you and good night.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST

    All the whiners here probably look like Opum

    by Fat and Curious

    Or whatever the dorky scientist's name was that got strangled and possessed by the alien. What kind of loser actually gets offended by a Behind the Scenes picture? Suck it nerds, this movie still gets my dick hard. The end credits music was playing over and over again the night I lost my virginity.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:58 p.m. CST

    This film was an enormous disappointment.

    by darthsynn

    Even the Star Wars prequels didn't upset me as much as this garbage. I was ready to walk out after Will Smith punched the alien. But someone else drove that night, so I suffered.

  • July 4, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Hey asimov, A WIZARD DID IT!


    Now shut the fuck up.

  • "What would you rather see, a movie made by someone who thinks Jaws was a classic, or a movie made by someone who thinks Top Gun was a classic?"

  • July 4, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    As a child of the 90's most of you in here can blow me

    by brooklyndodger

    The late 70's/ early 80's were not some golden grail era in film history. There some great movies that came out of there, a whole lot of crap. Just like every era in film history.The only universally true constants are that you always love the movies in your adolescent years and good storytelling will always survive. But whatever, if thats what it takes to sleep at night and feel like your right and internet is wrong more power to you. I saw ID4 when I was 12 and loved the hell out of it.

  • July 4, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST


    by choonie

    Don't lie to yourself dude. You're not going to be fucking anyone today or tomorrow. You'll just be posting here on AICN like you do every second & everyday of your sad life. CHOPPING BROCCOLI

  • July 4, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Loved ID4

    by Hipshot

    The perfect homage to cheesy, overblown SF movies. Played straight with its tongue firmly in its cheek from the first frame. The best example of the "if aliens came all Earth would pull together" scenario ever ever ever. And the computer virus was just a priceless riff on "War of the Worlds." The science fiction writers I know mostly enjoy the hell out of it, without believing the premise for a moment. What incredible fun.

  • July 4, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST

    somethign about the HBO Tv show JOHN ADAMS

    by Dasinfogod

    Before taking a dump on the Kraut Emmerich, Asimov, remember that JOHN ADAMS was directed by a Brit and shot in Budapest. Happy 235th birthday, America!

  • And this is coming from someone who enjoyed ID4 as a 13 year old, but I've gotta admit, the 90's didn't give us anything that came close to the awesomeness of Empire, Back to the Future, Raiders, Ghostbusters, Robocop, Terminator, Aliens, Die Hard...

  • July 4, 2011, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Happy 4th of July, everyone!

    by fustfick

    Love the first pic, but I have to agree that ID4 is a pretty awful movie. Now go get drunk and blow some shit up! Wish your neighbors well and be grateful for the chance to screw around on sites like this instead of sewing soccer balls in some sweatshop for a handful of rice. Fuck yeah.

  • July 4, 2011, 7:30 p.m. CST

    The beginning of the end

    by proevad

    of cinema in America. It really is that simple. Shitty movie which spawned even shittier ones all the way up to today. Happy Birthday, idiot America.

  • July 4, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Jesus, it's one thing to say movie's like ID4 are just cheesy but entertainingly fun


    But to then call the Godfather movies boring? Come on, you just make yourself sound like a moronic mouth breather when you say shit like that.

  • July 4, 2011, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Aww Hell Nah

    by proevad

    What riveting dialogue. Tarantino and Mamet must have been beating their heads against a wall wondering why they didn't think of it first.

  • July 4, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Asi, physics is a poor excuse to hate a movie.

    by thebrendan

    So according to your logic Star Wars must be shit then? The Death Star didn't seem to disrupt any planets it orbited. District 9 was shit too, yes? Sci-fi is fun and imagination. Yes, it's cool when some type of natural science is used and gives movies a genuine feel; but sometimes you have to give in and believe that a DeLorean can be a time machine or that you can pull dinosaur DNA out of a preserved mosquito.

  • July 4, 2011, 7:44 p.m. CST

    FACT: Saying something is FACT doesn't necessarily make it so


    Except for the FACT that I just made... obviously.

  • July 4, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST

    FACT: Soapfart is...

    by Rebeck2

    An actual soapfart - who has somehow learned to manipulate a computer. Talk about your science fiction.

  • July 4, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST

    one of the most fun times at a theatre

    by NotMalcolmReed

    back in the 90s it took months for movies to get to australia. so by september when it was finally released, my friends and i were super excited. the first midnight screening sold out at my local theatre. we managed to get tix to a theatre on the other side of town. as the clock ticked down to midnight the anticipation was palpable. we sat thru the pre-movie ads and trailers. then just as the movie was meant to start, the projector dies. everyone sits restlessly for a few minutes, thinking it will be fixed. then the theatre manager comes out and apologises but the screening has to be cancelled. the theatre was just about ready to riot, throwing food all over the place, ripping up chairs. people head for the exits grumbling and cursing out the manager when the movie suddenly comes back on! it's all good from there. if anything, this pumped everyone up that much more and the movie delivered a good time. there were cheers at the end for the opera house. the second time i saw id4 in the theatre, someone had a heart attack during the credits. i also like how every time there's a post about id4 on aicn, someone is shocked to discover the origin of the wallpaper.

  • July 4, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST

    ID4 can't have it both ways...

    by Dan Halen

    It tries to claim 'fun and cheesy' along with 'serious and dramatic.' And that is why it fails. They really went for it in some of those presidential speeches and shit and it just did not work for one fucking second.

  • July 4, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST


    by Acquanetta

    Yeah, I do regret that Indy 4 wasn't released sooner, so that we could've gotten a few more sequels set in the 40s and early 50s. Even Spielberg said as much on the first day of shooting Crystal Skull, remarking that they should've been on Indy 7 by that point. I also think if Indy and the Saucermen had been made around 94/95, fans would consider it fondly today. The stylistic changes would've still alienated certain fans, but they would've done so without the help of the internet.

  • July 4, 2011, 8:45 p.m. CST


    by Caerdwyn

    Love it.

  • July 4, 2011, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I'm surprised at the low IMDB rating


    At least it beat Armageddon, which got 6.1, haha.

  • and somehow get away with it... Greg Bear's "Forge of God" (with sequel "Anvil of Stars") is raped in Emmerich's movies: Independence Day: Aside from the entire alien invasion scenario, specifically the interrogation scene between the President of the USA and the captured Alien. Simply shameless, and should be grounds for a lawsuit!! The Day after Tomorrow: The global destruction of the Earth = The Forge of God 2012? Even more closely rips off "The Forge of God", right down to the "arks" that are built to save the remnants of humanity.

  • July 4, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Go Piss on Someone Else's Idea of a Good Time

    by John Knox

    To those of you who can't (or won't) allow a film to entertain anyone else if it doesn't entertain YOU... seek help.

  • July 4, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST

    I loved ID4, sue me

    by Mugato5150

    It was a damned sight better than the Transformer movies, even though that's faint praise. If I wanted to be an apologist for the ridiculous science in the film (an alien computer getting hacked with a MacBook from 1996), I'd cite the fact that the whole movie was a homage to the flying saucer movies if the 50's, every one of which had a scene where the egghead scientist gives some silly explanation with dubious science on how to kill the aliens. But who gives a shit. It was a great piece of old fashioned sci fi with great FX and likeable characters. And it beat the shit out of Spielberg's War of the Worlds, that's for damned sure.

  • July 4, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Right about Emmerich

    by paulloch

    He has the right ingredients for a great sci-fi movie, but falls short. He'll steal the "recipe" of great sci-fi, get high-priced ingredients "cast" and "fx". But, not a good enough chef to make something beyond popcorn fun, which his movies are. Still, hate the ending of ID4, even as a kid I could see the impossibility, why couldn't writers come up with something more plausible.

  • July 4, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST


    by Darth_Kong

    Asi, you're stylin!

  • July 4, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST

    The only ID4 sequel i'd pay to see would be...

    by MasterShake

    If it was set 20 years after the alien attack, and we've reversed engineered all their technology and even improved it, and go to their planet and blow all their shit up. Take that, you squiddy MF'ers.

  • July 4, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    awesome movie

    by BBSloth

    I still love it, despite it's flaws.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Tritium, first.

    by Lobanhaki2

    Nice try, but I've read much of Greg Bear's work, and the resemblance is at best coincidental. Anybody who wants to come in fresh to it had better stop reading now. In Greg Bear's Forge of God, the Aliens drop a piece of Neutronium and Antineutronium into the core of Earth. Spoiler: The Earth is Destroyed. So no victory dance, just a desperate race to get some people off the planet. The Day After Tomorrow has very little to do with this movie. The closest analog would be John Barnes' Mother of Storms, which also features global superstorms caused by a global warming event. It gets even more insane, though, than Emmerich's movie. 2012? Global superdisaster, but those aren't exactly uncommon in Science Fiction, especially as far as Hard Science Fiction thrillers go. Okay, all that aside... First, even today, models get used a lot. Sometimes it's just easier or cheaper to do a model by hand, and there are still quite a few people who know how to do it. A lot of what people call bad CGI is model work instead! Independence Day? I watched this movie when I was a teenager, and I loved it. It's not so impressive now, but hey, what can I say? A lot of movies aren't now, and many of them hail from the hey-day of model work, back in the Eighties. Trust me, if you're looking for, or just plain able to spot the flaws in a movie, you'll see them. As far as things go, I don't buy into the notion that there isn't room for sheer dumb fun. I just hope both viewers and filmmakers understand that not every movie can or should be of one type or another. Sometimes you need a movie where two people talk in a room, and sometimes you need something where shit blows up good. I'd say, let's not get hung up on one kind of a movie or another.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Did they build arks in Forge of God?

    by Autodidact

    As I remember it the entire planet split apart and shattered at the end, so I don't think arks would have helped. I greatly enjoyed the sequel, Anvil of Stars.

  • Loud, dumb and absolutely NO attempt to craft anything remotely intelligent. HIGH CONCEPT at its worst.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Oh, and about the hacking...

    by Lobanhaki2

    I don't think it's quite that implausible, if you think about it. First, there already is an interface of some kind between the alien signal and the satellites in such a form that the satellites can broadcast and rebroadcast it. So, something on board that ship is converting the alien signal to something those human computers can handle, and back. Second, they had a working ship with some working alien electronics on it, and you have a mathematician like Jeff Goldblum's character, who can and already has figured out something about how their signal works. If he understand the computer language to some extent, if he understands how the systems work, he can hack them, reverse engineer them. The timeframe may be daunting, but if he was able to decipher the alien signal in a day, he might just be that kind of genius. Third, once it's crossed over to the other side's computer systems, if they understand it, it'll work. Goldblum doesn't have to use an alien computer to feed it into them, he just has to use their own interface to do the translation.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Say what you will about the movie...

    by Alientoast

    ...but ID4 had probably one of the best teaser trailers of ALL time when they did that spot on the Super Bowl. A huge wave of fire enveloping New York City, then a giant spaceship obliterating the White House. I didn't know a single person who didn't want to see that flick after that. Granted, I was in High School at the time, but still!

  • July 4, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Yes, best trailers ever.

    by Autodidact

    First time I saw the "wall of fire" effect flipping cars I felt a surge of adrenaline and awe. Come to think of it this was the first trailer I ever downloaded off the internet. The resolution was like 120 x 56 and it took probably 30 minutes to download a 45 second spot. This was right after Superbowl 1996.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST


    by misterfurly

    The late 70's/ early 80's were not some golden grail era in film history

  • July 4, 2011, 10:18 p.m. CST


    by tritium

    Yes, arks were built. They were not built by humans, but by the "benefactors", who were the opposing alien force to the alien Von Neumann probe-based "killers". So, the Benefactors built the arks and populated them with a small, breeding population of humans as well as the preserved DNA of much of Earth's existing complex life, along with all possible historical, literary and audio/visual records of humanity. And lobanhaki2 , I challenge you to re-read "The Forge of God", specifically the interrogation scene of the Furnace Creek alien by the President of the USA, and compare that with "Independance Day".

  • July 4, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Cartmanez, WOTW is far superior

    by Mattman

    There's no contest. War of the Worlds is convincingly acted, beautifully filmed, and far more visceral and terrifying than anything in fucking ID4. WOTW has some flaws (namely the teenager), but they are insignifigant compared to ID4's hammy acting, ridiculous action scenes, and illogical resolution. And let's not forget, ID4 was a shameless, dumbed down ripoff of HG Wells' War of the Worlds in the first fucking place.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:21 p.m. CST


    by tritium

    I challenge you to re-read "The Forge of God", specifically the interrogation scene of the Furnace Creek alien by the President of the USA, and compare that with "Independence Day".

  • True. Your sentence SHOULD read like this: "The late 60's/70's/ early 80's were DEFINITELY a golden grail era in film history. Fixed that for you mate. Your welcome.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:39 p.m. CST

    So Water World > ID4 then?

    by Andrew Coleman

    A lot of hate here for ID4. Don't really get why. Watched it again recently and the graphics hold up and in some cases are better than some movies that come out today. The one thing I give this movie is the attempts at humor are just corny and not "current". Look at block busters like Transformers and others, they try and be "hip" or "cool" by using current humor. It dates the movie. Watch Transformers 1... That movie is already dated. Saw Water World last week. I remember watching it a long time ago and hating it. Seeing it again that movie is a real good time. I frankly wish Hollywood would make movies like this again. Everything has to be "safe". Look at Green Lantern it was hindered by the fact the studio really wanted average morons to like it instead of nerds. One more thing I think WOTW is actually better than ID4 even with it's HORRIBLE third act. I usually turn the movie off after the hill explodes and Tom grabs his daughter. For me that's where the movie ends. Cruise's performance is fantastic, I get people hating him but he was great in this. The tripods reveal and first attack is just so cool and impressed me more than ID4's.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:42 p.m. CST

    cartmanez: 1977 5 year old vs. 1996 5 year old

    by lv_426

    I don't think the mid 1990 to the early 2000's were really that bad. If you may, I tweaked your original statement, leaving in some of the good genre films from the period that you mentioned: 1996 a 5 year old goes to see ID4 then grows up with The Lost World, The 5th Element, The Matrix, The Sixth Sense, Lord of the Rings, Unbreakable, Signs, The Mummy, Harry Potter, Minority Report, Saving Private Ryan, Batman Begins, Spiderman 1&2, X-Men, X2, etc... I'd say that's not too bad really.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Re: lobanhaki2

    by MakNeil

    First, even today, models get used a lot. Sometimes it's just easier or cheaper to do a model by hand, and there are still quite a few people who know how to do it. A lot of what people call bad CGI is model work instead!

  • July 4, 2011, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Oh yes, one of the cheesiest scenes in movie history.

    by IronEagle74

    Bill Pullman pulled off cheese perfection that day.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:50 p.m. CST

    hell yeah my nigga Will Smif!

    by darth_ghidorah85

    Crackas be hatin' on dis baasd ovie, man. yall niggas is crazy. and yeash i really do spell like i talk. big whoop, wanna fight about it?

  • July 4, 2011, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Re: lobanhaki 2.1

    by MakNeil

    Wow, I have no idea what just happened to my prior post. Literally four or five lines just vanished into the aether. What I was trying to write is that I have NEVER seen a movie when bad practical effects were interpreted as bad CGI. Care to enlighten me?

  • July 4, 2011, 11:02 p.m. CST


    by lv_426

    You make some good points about the hacking of the alien spacecraft with the MacBook. Also, didn't the staff at Area 51 start working on the alien fighter ship again after it started up during the invasion? It is possible that they had a whole team of computer experts, hackers, and cryptologists working on decoding the alien computer language, all before Goldblum even arrived. Either way, I always chalked the computer virus up to a fun little contemporary homage to The War of the Worlds' cold virus. It never bothered me because the homage was fun and in a way was paying tribute to the work that they based ID4 upon.

  • about the aliens returning with a much more massive invasion force, while humanity has much better capabilities due to re-engineered alien technology taken from the spoils of war back in 1996 after the alien invasion failed. In this alternate time-line present day Earth, we would be similar to the type of tech/fashion/culture that made up the 12 Colonies in the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica. Spaceships and stuff like that, but overall our clothes/language/architecture/etc. would be much like it is today. I don't mind having Will Smith play the president. That could be fun. Although he'd make sure all his kids are in the film too. I suppose as long as they don't play too big of a role, and don't take up tons of screen time then it would be okay. So anyways, the aliens return and there's a big war. This time the invaders actually launch a ground invasion as well as hammering the shit out of us from up in orbit and also having their fighter craft swoop down and do bombing and strafing runs. There would also be space battles up in near Earth orbit, etc... all kinds of fun big spectacle stuff. So this invasion is underway, we barely win, and I mean barely win... the twist to this second film is that the aliens have sent this first wave, which is all that has come so far, to weaken us and a second and third wave will be coming to finish us off (apparently the aliens saw how well we did in the first ID4 film, and were afraid that if humanity reverse engineered the fallen alien tech, that we'd start colonizing the shit out of the Milky Way and spreading like kudzu). So then this third film is all about the human remnants on Earth crawling out of the rubble and fending off any alien invaders that remain, while a last ditch effort strike force is sent to the alien race's home star system to destroy a massive device that allows their ships to travel faster-than-light. If this is done, then the aliens will no longer pose as much of a threat due to the time it would take to travel back to Earth. Also, this giant wormhole generator or whatever it is the aliens have that transports their megaships across the cosmos is, when it is blown it will create a massive explosion that will destroy any ships within the general vicinity (speaking in astronomical terms that is).

  • July 4, 2011, 11:26 p.m. CST

    I howled with laughter all through this film!

    by BiggusDickus

    One of the best comedies I've ever sat through! "Do it for the skipper!" "Mommy's sleeping now" "Let's plow the road!"- priceless!

  • July 4, 2011, 11:26 p.m. CST WAS meant to be funny, right?

    by BiggusDickus

  • July 4, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    I'm up for ID4 Pt 2 so long as Will SMith dies.

    by GBH

  • Anyone's well within their rights to prefer CG, but there's a lot more to the emotional resonance of effects, and a film in general, than simple photorealism. There's simply no matching the nuance of an actual physical thing, be it an effect or actor or set/environment or musician. No physical thing is "perfect", and that's precisely why it affects us. Camera and computer technology is such today that we could have the most mind-bending practical effects, things not possible or even imaginable when Lucas and ILM turned the world on its ear back in '77. But instead we've settled for accepting the refinement of computer simulations as actual final effects. CG is marvelous as SFX glue, stitching together the real and artificial, but it's been leaned on as a crutch, a cheap way to fill the screen with nonsense that's comparatively simple to generate. In short, it's diminished the real, visceral ambition of filmmaking, and it shows, and we can all feel it at an emotional level.

  • I hate it because if it were never made we would've gotten Indiana Jones 4 a lot sooner.

  • July 4, 2011, 11:39 p.m. CST

    ID4 - a classic popcorn film

    by tailhook

    No two ways around it. You have snotty fucks that like to play like they're soooo much cooler than the asstards they are. ID4 is a very expertly constructed film from start to finish and did exactly what it intended to do. Have a massive assault on Earth by Aliens that really just don't give a fuck about us other than to watch us die so that they can take over culminating in an absolutely improbable scheme that saves the day. If you went into this expecting The Godfather, you're a fucking retard. You went in to see shit get blowed up but good, then the aliens get blowed up but good in retaliation and all the flagwaving that entailed. The funniest moment of the film is after an hour of build and not much real contact, the chick on top of the tower all hot to be friends with them having worked on the poster, and they just open up in her face with the rayblast from hell taht just decimates the building, the city, and everything in between $$. This movie is the perfect example of what Bay got so very wrong with Transformers 2 and 3. He seems to be indulging himself to the point that he can't seem to string scenes together and actually build his action from one scene to another. He used to be an absolute master at it, Armageddon being a prime example that while a very eyeroll story he executed with precision and built tension and told a coherent story from start to finish. Wherever he's gone, he can't seem to be able to do that anymore and the 3D more than likely hamstrung him completely.

  • July 4, 2011, 11:42 p.m. CST

    my two cents

    by CrusherJen

    I will readily admit that the science of ID4 isn't science at all. (Though I'm really liking lobanhaki2's analysis/fanwank of the computer virus-- suddenly that gambit makes more sense to me.) It's an incredibly dumb movie which doesn't just violate the laws of physics, it tramples them underfoot and does a cheeky little dance on top of them. And yet... a part of me still enjoys ID4, every time I see it. Part of it is the memory of the audience reaction in the theatres-- I have rarely seen people so engaged in a flick, and it was wonderful. Part of it is the sheer spectacle of the movie-- massive explosions, aliens, Earth's last stand writ huge. And part of it is, well, embarrassing to admit. The obviously manipulative emotional moments still get to me, even after repeated viewings. When Bill Pullman's president gives those stirring speeches, I still feel a swell of pride. When his wife passes, I still grow sad. And when Randy Quaid makes his fateful decision, I still feel just a little prickle of tears in my eyes. I'm gonna get bashed for saying that, I know. But you know what? I don't care. While I prefer more intelligent movies most of the time, sometimes I just want a fun, cheap thrill-- a popcorn movie. And ID4 delivers that. Go ahead, hate ID4 if you want. It may not be the smartest movie in the world, or the best, but it's still fun for me (if there's nothing better on.) Two other quick things: If ID4 delayed Indiana Jones 4... then I like ID4 even better! I didn't enjoy the Crystal Skull, IMHO it felt dull, contrived, and had way too much Shia LeBeouf. I also like ID4 better than the new WOTW. I thought WOTW was okay the first time I saw it but it does not hold up to repeated viewings for me. And as for the wallpaper: I thought it was a squashed (on my screen) pic from King Kong. But I could be wrong.

  • July 4, 2011, 11:46 p.m. CST


    by Wapkaplet

    This time they have a firewall.

  • July 4, 2011, 11:48 p.m. CST


    by lv_426

    Maybe Apple could write an iPhone/iPad app that could do the job?

  • July 4, 2011, 11:48 p.m. CST

    The Quiet Man

    by dukeroberts

    Is that tomorrow?

  • July 4, 2011, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Saw it opening day...

    by Jay Eyler

    It was released a couple days early, and my friend and I waited in line to see it. For those not old enough to have been around, this was NOT marketed as a sci-fi comedy feel-good flick. It was promoted as if it would be a serious invasion movie with major cities being destroyed. (blowing up national landmarks hadn't been done to death yet, so seeing New York and the White house getting splintered so realistically was rather new) We didn't even know Will Smith was in it until the film started. We were originally disappointed that it had so much comedy, but after bitching about it that night, we was still pretty damn cool to watch on the big screen. There were no hi-def or widescreen tv's (in middle-class America at least) in those days, so the mere spectacle of it was still impressive. We were still reeling from the CG of Jurassic Park, and this was just another in the line of special effects flicks. It wasn't the serious movie we were expecting, but it's still a fun movie.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:02 a.m. CST


    by dukeroberts

    Your horrific spelling is really starting to grate on my nerves. I can understand an occasional typo here and there, but when you come on here and try to be instructive and corrective about people's lack of scientific knowledge, it's a little annoying. Maybe you could type it in a Word document first, spell check it, then paste it to the thread. Thanks.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Glory and Batman

    by dukeroberts

    I think Glory and Batman were the two best movies from 1989. I also like Driving Miss Daisy. The Hurt Locker is awesome. And I love Independence Day. I even love President Pullman's rousing speech. The Transformers movies are utter garbage. I also don't like spinach. Anything else?

  • July 5, 2011, 12:21 a.m. CST


    by Darth_Kong

    Asi gets a FREE PASS. Leave him alone.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:31 a.m. CST

    ID4 was great at the time

    by Rupee88

    I don't know..I was 27 and maybe dumb but it was a great popcorn flick when it came out. It's just been done to death since then but was somewhat fresh when it came out. Of course there were flaws and are flaws and doesn't hold up now but was damn good at the time.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:34 a.m. CST

    ID4 was fun

    by darthvedder81

    Sure it's kind of dumb but when you compare it to the shit that Hollywood puts out in the summer now it looks like a masterpiece. Even Spielberg liked it and at least Roland Emmerich locks his camera down and frames action properly. Can't say that about many so-called "action" directors these days.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Maybe the ID4 aliens should have read Niven/Pournelle's Footfall

    by successor

    <p>Before they attacked Earth. If they inhabit the space above us, they've already won . All they had to do was tow a couple of asteroids in from the belt and drop them right on our heads. If we try to fire anything up at them, they can shoot it down. Or maybe use Greg Bear's Forge of God neutronium idea. Or drop packets of nanotech on us and turn us into gray goo. In other words, if aliens really ever invaded our planet, we would be screwed.</p> <p>I'm ashamed to admit it, but I liked ID4 back in the day. Now I think it's scientifically-illiterate, jingoistic garbage that's nearly unwatchable. The characterization is awful, the plot is nonsensical, and the music is overblown. It's not even redeemable as camp. It's just bad. If you want a good alien invasion story, then I'd suggest reading _The Forge of God_ by Greg Bear or _Footfall_ by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.</p>

  • July 5, 2011, 12:40 a.m. CST

    By the way...

    by darthvedder81

    Anyone else remember when it was OK to like but not love something? Nowadays it's either "Five-stars OMFG!!!!! That was the bestest movie evr!!!!!!" or "Zero stars what a piece of shit!!!!!!! Worst movie of all-time!!!!!" What happened to context and gradation?

  • That first image of the F-18 escaping the fiery crash in the canyon there is amazing! So SO cool that they did that shot/sequence with miniatures. nd seeing the ship hovering of the horizon is pretty impressive, too.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:04 a.m. CST

    This film gave Roland Emmerich a career

    by seansarto

    But it's pretty much little else to me...Probably fun to watch with the kids on a lazy, Sunday afternoon, nowdays.... Happy Independence Day to fellow Americans This recording left me teary-eyed here in China. There's a great film to be made with it. Apparently my Jul 04, 2011 07:50 ish post was removed....

  • July 5, 2011, 1:33 a.m. CST

    An average movie with a few good scenes.

    by btc909

    Cheezy & bad 1st gen CGI sum up ID4. Using a Mac to hack into a alien satellite transmission, really, NO REALLY?

  • SW is a fantasy movie. ID4 is set on OUR Earth, and the mood and presentation of the movie is far more down to Earth (pardon the pun) then the SW movie. It's a stupid movie made by stupid people for stupid people. Deal with it.

  • I expected better. Much better.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:09 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Behave, boy!

  • July 5, 2011, 2:14 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    As i said before, it doesn't matter what kind of drive they are using. Movement is energy, regardless of the drive used. Inertia is inertia, regardless of the drive used. To decelerate, regardless of the dirve you use, the excess speed you lost is always turned into energy, aka, heat. The stoping of a massive object like the mothership of ID4, as depicted inthe film, would always cook the Earth, no matter what drive they would use. It's not the drive that is the issue, it's the speed and the breaking and all it's natural consequences. The whole movie was made by people who must had had F in Physics 101. Not to mention Scriptwriting 101 as well.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:30 a.m. CST

    I watched this on Blu-Ray for the 4th of July!!

    by zillabeast

    It is still and will always be my favorite movie of all time :) Yes I know it's all kinds of retarded, but it embodies and embraces the spirit of what movies are supposed to be, and that's ENTERTAINMENT!

  • The rest of the locust civilization shows up in a ship so big it literally rips the earth out of orbit and flys away with it. Suspended in massive energy fields the earth will be used to power the ship for many years. Then we use the technology we've reverse engineered since our first encounter to fight them. It'll take quite a bit of luck to get the earth back in a perfect orbit by the film's end. Jeff Goldblum uses his iPhone alien language app this time to save us.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Yes Kevred, CGI has diminished the "visceral ambition of filmmaking"


    Because, you know, all those thousands of computer artists out there who occasionally work 60-100 hours a week, they aren't AMBITIOUS enough. I knew this thread was going to bring you assholes out of the wood-work.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Emmerich's Independence Day was

    by Lourdes Galan

    pure crap

  • July 5, 2011, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Actual physics should have no place in a fictional tale...

    by tailhook

    Thats obvious even to mental retards. If you want actual physics, go to school, learn them, whatever. If you want to be entertained, you get told a fictional story. Never should they meet. I have no respect for any person(s) that nitpick a fictional story, visual or otherwise, for scientific accuracy. Now, I will give that an author/writer does need to stay consistant within the rules they create and decide to use, but thats the extent of it. Hamstringing them to some wrote list based on the Newtonian Laws of Physics would make for some pretty boring stories. Or as Rod Serling would say: 'The boundaries are that of imagination.' Most of these people(i.e. AsimovLives) have no imagination... and get so mad when they run across people that do.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:11 a.m. CST

    One of the all-time best!

    by DarkHawke

    Thanks for the ID4 love! What a wonderful throw-back this movie is to the old style of bravura bombast, star-studded disaster epics and straight-up good-guys-vs-bad-guys alien invasion flicks! It ain't Citizen Kane, but guess what, motherfuckers? It didn't set OUT

  • July 5, 2011, 3:16 a.m. CST


    by DarkHawke be fucking Citizen Kane. It's supposed to be a kick-ass summer blockbuster and it wins on ALL counts! And that speech Pullman delivers before the climactic battle? Epic motherfucking GENIUS! Gives me chills and a choked-up feeling every time! This and Jaws are my 4th of July traditions. You can have gettin' all cheek-by-jowl with folks trying to see fireworks; I have more than enough on my big-screen, thank you!

  • It's quite idiotic, really. Peoiple who defend bad dumb movies should never try to make appeals to intleligence. It's too ironic to be of their use.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:41 a.m. CST

    ID4 = Dog turd.

    by Johnny Wishbone

    A truly awful movie with no redeeming qualities at all. Also, was I the only one to realise that if the alien ships were synchronising their attacks on the world at the same time, then by the time the good ol' U.S of A figured out how to destroy them, the rest of the world would already have been wiped out? Says it all really.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:49 a.m. CST

    You were a TEENAGER when this came out??

    by 3D-Man

    F*ck, I'm old.

  • Yeah, the movie fucks up on things that most holywood hackboys don't seem to be able to do, which is, consistency withthe most basic of physics as teached in any 101 class. The funny thing is that Emmerich actually tries to make audiences believe they are watching real world physics being depicted, as so demonstrated in his two other crapfiests of mass idioticy, THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW and 2012. But let us put aside the big picture the laws of physics. How about simple everything stuff? Remember the Empire State Building destruction? How the movie portaited the building to be in the end of a street, in a conner facing a whole lenght of a street? Now, i have been to New York. i have visited the Empire State Building. But one doens't need to have actually been there to know that the building is IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK. In the middle of a street. It faces no width of any street. I know many of you can be so flippant about basic physics because you are too uncaring and defeated to the blockbuster holywood dumb bullshit. Ok then. but how can you excuse such a crass blunders like the Empire State Building iidoticy? What punny lame ass excuse will the Bçlockbuster Surrender Monkeys will use as appologetics?

  • July 5, 2011, 3:56 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Most definatly was. And JOHN ADAMS mannaged to be a much more american show then the stupidity of ID4, which excluding the german director/co-producer, was an all american production.

  • John Adams was an intelligent show. ID4 is a dumb movie. AICN celebrates a dumb movie. Yeah, i can see such exemplary showing of patriotism and pride pouring out of AICN by the gallon indeed! Fuck's sakes! You guys just don't think this shit through, do you? Just geekasms and nothing else. Fuck's sake!

  • July 5, 2011, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Who fucking cares where the Empire State Building is?


    Fuck that's one of the DUMBEST criticisms of a film I've EVER HEARD. For a guy that criticizes dumb things so much, you sure say a lot of dumb shit!!! Fuck you Assimov and fuck your moronic sense of taste. I'm fucking sorry Kuberick didn't direct it and he didn't spend a 10 days making sure the Empire State Building was accurately depicted in some pretentious, slow and dull intellectual excercise in mental masturbation. Thank fucking god he didn't direct this movie.

  • July 5, 2011, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Empire State Building...

    by tailhook

    Visually the director needs to impart that the building, people and city is being destroyed in an visually appealing way. You're telling a story, not a documentary. And he accomplished just that. Once again, AsimovLives, you illustrate your one true weakness, your complete and utter lack of imagination. It would be a hoot to be over your shoulder as you watch The Wizard of Oz sometime and go off about how it makes no sense that men made of Tin would need a heart, how there is no possible way a man made of Straw could walk, and its absolutely impossible that any of them could talk. Horses can't actually change color. Monkeys don't actually fly and lord help the moron that actually believed anyone could use a BROOM as a means of transportation through the air. IDIOTS. Thats how ludicrous you sound man as you try to dissect movies and discount them based on some type of asinine scientific litmus test. Nobody really cares because this stuff is entertainment and what matters is whether or not the story the writer wrote got told in an effective manner. And it did. I really do hope one day you find the imagination that got beaten out of you as a kid. Its a lot funner place in general to be.

  • July 5, 2011, 4:24 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    About ID4, i saw it back in the day. Back in the day i had good will toward Emmerich and Devlin because i actually liked STARGATE. I still do. Even though STARGATE is an unpretentious movie that doesn't try to be nothing more then just a piece of light entertaiment, it does it quite well. And it even does it smartly. There's smart touches in STARGATE that helps make it so enjoyable. So, i had good hopes for ID4. Due to the good will the two guys had given due to his previous STARGATE movie. Due t the fact that STARGATE had been such an improvement on their previous movies, which made me think they had took a level in badass. Due to the very effective marketing the movie had. So i have very good reason to hope for a movie of the same quality as STARGATE. And instead i got a retard piece of dumb ass shit of the likes only Bay and Snyder can produce. If i have to give a praise for Ememrich (i can actually give two) is that 1) he still shots his movies in a classic style that makes it easy to follow the dumb as shit he pours inscreen (he makes a big effort to copy Spielberg's 70s and 80s style, but due to the cynicism that his movies are made, it comes as sterille and uninvolving), and 2) he does come up with intriging and cool premises for his movies, the type that talented directors could make a kick-ass movie out of them. But Emmerich is not a talented director, so he always fucks up in the execution of the premises he comes up with. He's quite like Paul WC Anderson in that regard, really.

  • But the SFX still hold up today. CGI is getting better but the one thing it still lacks very, very, very badly in is it total inability to convey mass and inertia in an object. It lacks the certain something that a real object smacking into another real object has, so badly in fact that I'm often pulled out of the movie. Avatar is a big culprit for that. I recently watched Star Trek: Generations and the saucer section crash onto the planet still looks pretty fucking awesome. Because it was a huge model smashing into an even bigger one. Filmed at high speed and played back at normal, it not only looked like a 100,000 ton spaceship crashing through a forest and tearing the tops off mountains it 'felt' like one too. It's hard to explain any other way. When The White House gets blown to dust in ID4, it's become such an iconic image because it felt right. Am I the only one that notices it?

  • July 5, 2011, 4:33 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    It actually takes a lot of imagination for scientists to figure out how the universe works. Watch (or read) Carl Sagan's COSMOS to understand why. You know what it really takes imagination? To make a story in which it not only follows the laws of physics closely, but can use them to create drama and tension. It takes less imagination to just pull crap out of the ass without any concern for how things actually work. That's the thing that children do. That's the thing that people without imagination do. It actually takes effort and it's a challenge to the imagination to make an engaging story which can actually work in a realistic or plausible scenario. You got it all wrong, friend: hack dumb works like ID4 are works with are incredibly beret of imagination. Speically one like ID4 which is a total clicheville.

  • July 5, 2011, 4:52 a.m. CST


    by gabbygall

    The physics in Stargate are completely shit man. Jeez, what were the writers thinking?? If you opened a portal to another dimension the sheer energy required would destroy huge swathes of land on earth.. Oh, I forgot, its just a fucking Sci-fi movie and it doesn't have to conform because, and heres the kicker, its only make believe. See how it works now?

  • July 5, 2011, 4:57 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Yes, ID4 didn't set itself to be CITIZEN KANE. But that doesn't excuse it from being so stupid and dumb, does it? No, it didn't wanted to be CITIZEN KANE. But couldn't it had aimed to be RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK? It could least tried.

  • Rod Serling made smart intelligent entertaiment that did had a point and a message to tell. Using Rod Serling in defense of such dumb trash as ID4 is a sure way to make him turn in his grave, the poor fellow. Show some goddamn respect, will you? You Dumb Blockbuster Groupies should think your shit through.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:01 a.m. CST

    lv_426 : 5 year old kid


    yeah i was just intentionally making out 1996 onwards to be bad. sure there was alot of great movies but alot of them seemed to be for adults (Matrix, Fight Club etc) the big 'family' blockbusters paled in comparison to the 70s and 80s the kids growing up in the 70s and 80s def had the better deal

  • July 5, 2011, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Truth be told Both ID4 and TF Movies are shitfests

    by Stalkeye

    Both overblown pretentious (as in psuedo epic) movies require little intellegence or none whatsoever. Smith punching out an alien and lighting a stogie afterwards had already sealed ID4's fate. Then there's the modern day War of the worlds spin (virus, as in a cold? no, let's update it with a computer virus!!) Viveca Fox was kinda hot but what air force pilot has his wife/baby mama making a living as a stripper?!? The president's speech was too hamfisted and laughable at best BTW. let's face it,Emmerich and Devlin were the orci and kurtzman of the 90's. And despite a cool "orignal' concept like Universal Soldier, they manage to even fuck that one up. HACKS!!

  • July 5, 2011, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Emmerichs destruction trilogy? or quadrilogy?


    would you include Godzilla or not? (i dont)

  • You're not being fair. Most science fiction films aren't based upon any type of 'hard science.' This is why Star Wars light sabers are able to remain suspended a few feet from the hilt of the weapon, as opposed to just vanishing off in whatever direction that you point it in. This is also why in science fiction films space fighters make that cool roaring noise when they fly by (which most films are guilty of), despite their being virtually no air in space to carry the sound waves. What you're talking about is the aforementioned hard science, which, let's be honest, most films aren't. Though there are exceptions: Peter Hyams' 2010 was based upon some very realistic science; I believe Red Planet did as well. There were others, but that doesn't change that MOST sci-films are based upon very shaky science, which shouldn't distract from one's enjoyment because they aren't here to teach us, but to entertain us.

  • July 5, 2011, 6:20 a.m. CST

    This move just doesn't deserve the hate


    Yeah, Stargate is better, so what. Yeah, Will Smith punches out an alien with an enormous rubber head, which looks ridiculous but sounded cool to someone on paper, and then he lights a cigar. So what. There's lots of other movies, in my opinion, that deserve the wrath and hatred of disappointed film fans. Like 10,000 B.C. and 2012. Holy fuck those movies suck shit!

  • July 5, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST

    The day I swore to leave the town of my birth...

    by Dromosus

    ...was the day that I went to watch ID4 and the audience gave it a standing ovation at the end.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:26 a.m. CST

    ID4 was too cheesy.

    by SunTzu77

    Using a Macintosh you upload a virus to an alien OS? Are you serious? LOL

  • July 5, 2011, 7:31 a.m. CST


    by Autodidact

    You're clearly pulling shit out of your ass. "All energy turns into heat upon deceleration" is pedantic and simply not true. Congratulations, the stretch where I though you might not be an insane idiot lasted almost 24 hours.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Please stop using the word "Cheesy!"...

    by ZodNotGod

    What does it even mean? ID4 is flawed beyond belief, but man, what a great theater experience it was. Outside of the prequels, it was the best ever. If not for David Arnold's fantastic score, the film would have suffered greatly, but I think that score gives it a lot of passes. Illogical? Sure, but that shouldn't be a problem ALIENS ARE INVADING THE EARTH

  • July 5, 2011, 7:34 a.m. CST


    by ZodNotGod

    I was cut off. Sorry for my last posting F-up. ID4 is awesome. It's just like those disaster movies of the 70's I heart greatly. And seriously, if this one inspires hate, you need to see more movies and stop being a whiney doucher.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST

    ID4 is cheesy fun

    by Truxton Spangler

    and encapsulates the American experience in many ways--big, loud, jingoistic bravado, dumb humor, stuff blowing up, the stripper with the heart of gold, redemption for the loony, useless drunk, the rekindling of a broken marriage...a quintessential summer movie. Watching the midnight show, on July 4th, in the heart of NYC, was a real movie going experience.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST


    by ZodNotGod

    Depp's Pirate eye rapes are far worse so let's stop assigning "retarded" to ID4 only. Those movies suck and have no shame about it. They make no bones about stinking.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST


    by ZodNotGod

    Emmerich's worst movie was "The Patriot," simply because it took a rarely covered area, an interesting and fascinating one- the revolution and made it tedious and dull. Cut an hour from that, ratchet up the violence and revenge from Mel and you would have had a winner. At least the score is awesome!

  • July 5, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Toss a ball in the air... does it heat up at the apogee?

    by Autodidact

    The answer is no, a ball doesn't heat up at the top of its arc (when it deccelerates to zero V before accelerating downwards). Heat in decceleration comes from friction. There is no air in space to decelerate against so it's really unlikely a spaceship would be designed in some way that its deceleration radiated killer waves of heat. Don't know why I'm continuing with you Asimov... I should really not argue with people who clearly don't know what the fuck they're talking about. You definitely don't know what an Alcubierre drive is and you probably don't even have high-school level grasp of physics.

  • July 5, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST

    ID4 and Mars Attacks should have switched casts


    with MJ Fox in the Will Smith role, Nicolson as the president and Brosnan in Goldblums role etc

  • July 5, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST

    I like that idea cartmanez


    Instead of "Welcome to Eurf!" we could've had "What the Hell is THAT!?"

  • I hated EVERYTHING about this movie (except the idea of the Apollo astronaut's footprint being "vibrated out". Cool concept/image. But beyond that, it sucked. My balls hurt just thinking about that movie. My balls hurt even worse when I think about the movie-going taste of the fans of this film.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Actually the 70s/80s WERE a goldenage of movies..

    by Righteous Brother

    Especially genre pics off the top of my head I present to you: The Godfather, The Excorcist, The Omen, The Godfather Part 2, Star Wars, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Halloween, Apocalypse Now, Superman, Mad Max, ET, The Thing, The Fog, Escape From New York, Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior, TRON, Conan the barbarian, Star Trek 2, The Evil Dead, Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Empire Strikes Back, The Terminator, Predator, Robocop, Die Hard... all absolute classics in the respective genres..

  • July 5, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Milk Tank FX FTW

    by Autodidact

    Too bad the BTS pics didn't include some milk tank stuff. I think the effect of the giant ships pushing through the clouds might be my favourite special effect of all time.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    God I hate this movie

    by HamburgerEarmuffs

    A catalyst for more stupid movies, where all it takes is explosions to make the idiots happy.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:34 a.m. CST

    The quintessential summer blockbuster

    by kidicarus

    Explosions, Will Smith kicking ass, way too many characters, what don't you have? Every summer blockbuster since ID4 has emulated its marketing strategy. (Which I guess in turn was emulated from SW/Indiana Jones)

  • July 5, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Say what you want

    by thepoohguy

    but the scene when the aliens are blowing stuff up, empire state building...white house...etc. Wow, does that seem to go on forever. I mean it seemed like the longest part of the movie and really emphasized the scale and magnitude of the weaponry. And who doesn't remember "Bill Clinton's" review of this movie on SNL? "I wish we could have learned more about Will Smith's girlfriend, especially after the First Lady died. I LOVE THIS MOVIE." Now that was funny!

  • July 5, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    ID4 2 (summer 2014)....ID4 3D (summer 2015)


    back to back sequels! people will go crazy and theyd make billions outgrossing the likes of Indy 5, Blade Runner 2, T5, the man of steel sequel, the batman reboot and Ghostbusters 3 even Cameron would be concerned about the ID4 sequels taking box office away from his Avatar sequels at xmas

  • July 5, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    The problem is ID4 made money...

    by impossibledreamers

    Therefore convincing people to give Roland Emmerich much more money to make a lot of bad movies that really didn't make much money - yet they still keep praying he'll hit another ID4.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    also out summer 2014 - Twister 2: Deadly Wind


    but that wont be so big

  • July 5, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    I would see Twister 2... I want to see Twister 2!

    by Autodidact

    That shit was intensely dumb. A terrible movie. I loved it!

  • July 5, 2011, 10:14 a.m. CST

    ID4 was a false dawn


    that led to Godzilla In Name Only.

  • July 5, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    ID4 has many flaws, but it's still brilliant

    by Dr Strangeface

    I rarely comment on these boards because it seems the large proportion of people who do are clearly deficient in quality brain cells, (not all, mind) with whom I would not like to associate myself. There's the "I Hate Harry Knowles" brigade who, despite their acid loathing of said person, return time and again to vent anonymous vitriol for reasons known only to them. Though I guess there's a clue in the word 'anonymous.' Then there's the "Only My Opinion Counts" group who will go to the ends of the earth to 'prove' that it is indeed only their opinion that counts. Snobs, in other words. There are of course many more factions (such as those who use the word 'retarded' or its shortened form, 'tard,' believing it to be cool and new rather than terribly clichéd and ignorant) but I can't be bothered to list them all. Though I will say a special hello to asimovlives who's managed to turn patronising, badly written drivel into an art form. But, getting on to ID4, in my opinion it's a brilliant piece of entertainment. Ignore the fact that Will Smith totally forgets about his best bud about 5 seconds after his demise or that he can punch out an alien that a few hours later is totally destroying an entire lab's-worth of people. Forget, too, the physics, the sheer impossibility of just about everything that happens or that to pilot a captured alien ship you only need to have played a few arcade games. Instead, revel in the spectacle, the fun and yes, the bombastic, motherfucking jingoism exuded from every pore. There's something captured in that movie that few films can match, and I think it's the unholy desire to do nothing but entertain. And that, my friends, is exactly what it does. In my opinion, of course.

  • July 5, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    "Yeah it's a shitty movie

    by proevad

    but I'm not a snob so I like it anyway." Fuck you.

  • July 5, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by Autodidact

    Were they called "arks"? I thought they were called "revenge ships" or something? It has been a long time since I read the book (think it was 1996, right around the time ID4 came out!)

  • July 5, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by proevad

    Weren't arks from that other shitty movie with Cusack that came out a couple years ago? I can't keep track of the lame.

  • July 5, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    BTSPOTD should have been...

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    Pacino in 1776: A Revolution. Or Natassia Kinski.

  • is completely wrong. In fact you received your opinion from someone else. You arn't smart enough to know about anything you are saying. And to top it off ID4 came out after Jurassic park and was lacking cgi creatures that it could have benifitted from. Audiences were expecting them and were disappointed to see nothing but rubber prosthetics at the time. Kinda like seeing the Black Hole after Empire strikes back. Even a kid could see the technical differences. I kept waiting for a full motion alien to run around. Ya know? On the Jurassic Park poster it said full-motion dinosaurs created by Phil tippet. So here's some homework for you kid. I want you to watch every movie ever made with effects(like I have). I want you to make a flaws list. Not just digital or optical flaws. I want that list to include when matte paintings look like oil paintings. It should include color-timing and film stock errors. If a rubber suit is used I want to know how badly you can tell it's a man in a suit. If the film stock is dated I want to know how off the color palette is from reality. I want to weigh every factor that adds up to what makes suspension of disbelief. Then when you're done with the list I want you to post it. We'll debate the list while you go fuck yourself while eating shit and dying.

  • you elitist bighead. For someone who is only interested in good,intellectual cinema and hates every other movie which doesnt match your high standards of quality,it is very awkward to say the least ,that you spend all this energy and time to trash those bad movies and to prove to the rest of us that we are retards if we like them. You know you should lay off some steam and start respecting the cinematic tastes of the other movie-goers and instead of repeating every time the same old tiresome speech of hating against every film creator or movie you dont like why dont you do something more constructive: spend your time watching the good movies you like and leave bad ones for us.dont you agree?

  • July 5, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You shut up, piss boy.

  • July 5, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    killik, are you for real?

    by AsimovLives

    You know you are a guy i respect, but what are you trying to do here? Pissing it all away? Why the fuck should you feel the need to defend a retard fucking dumb ass movie? Why you think it's wrong to point out the stupidity of that shitty as fuck movie? What do you think you gain from that?

  • July 5, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    STARGATE actually trades off some dodgy science with good storytelling and interesting and engaging characters. And the movie genuinely tries to be smart about what it does. And actually there's some good science in the movie, but done subtly. I can tell with Stargate that the filmmakers actually took some time and care in writing it. ID4 was, even by the filmmakers admission, something writen on the fly and never revised, and it fucking shows.

  • July 5, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Like an insane, you think others are insane. You have jsut make a defense of idioticy. Yiou did realsied that,did you? And you dare call others insane? You have no idea what irony is, do you?

  • ID4 is not a movie done out of a spirit of charity. It's a movie made as a product, as bunsiness. You don't have to take it as if it's a godsend. you payed to watch it, for christ's sakes! And you act all like beggers who should be chosy about the scaps youn are given, scraps you actually payed to have. It's nonsense. Beggars who actually are thankful for a roten maggot fested crumbs of week old breed. And you actuallyhave the gall to demand that one shouldn't be critical of such a dumb shitfiest as ID4? Are you mad? Since when it became cool to be such a surrender monkey to the Holywood big studios? Pathetic!

  • July 5, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    And if you come to think about it, there's no reason for the moon surface that had the Appolo's astronauts footprint to vibrate. It would vibrate becasue of what? The moon is surrunded by sapce vaccum. What could be transmited through vaccum that would shake the Moon's surface? Nonsense! Another thing i love about the idioticy of this movie. Even after they destroyed the mothership, the Earth would still be doomed. Since the Mothership came to Earth following a trajectory that had fly-by the moon, it would mean that the mothership would cause a 3 body problem with the Earth and the Moon. As any astronomer knows, 3 bodies that mutually orbit each other is a chaotic system that eventuall lead to the rupture of the whole system. Earth and Moon are in fact a twin planetary system, with the center placed inside Earth, due to the Moon's smaller gravitational effect. But it's substantial enough. A big object like the ID4's mothership would change all the Earth-Moon dynamic. no matter that the mothership was only there for a few days, the harm was done already, and it would only add up with time. Both Earth's the the Moon orbits would be changed, and the changing difference would just add up. It would cause a gravitational pinball effect. a few years from now, The Earth's clima would be all complety fucked up and chaotic, the tides would be chaotic, and the Earth's own position to the sun would had been different enough to fuck up the clima. Bascially, even defeating the mothership Earth would be fucked up and mankidn would get exterminated in a few years. The end.

  • July 5, 2011, 11:43 a.m. CST

    ID4: By retards for retards.

    by AsimovLives

  • July 5, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    franks_television you are 100% correct

    by KilliK

  • July 5, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    People tend to forget

    by Sonny_Williams

    that, like the other big sci-fi fantasy of 1996, MARS ATTACKS, INDEPENDENCE DAY was an homage (rip-off, parody, or however you like to think of it) to the dumb sci-fi space fantasies of the 50's. And I so pity the pathetic fools who can't get their nose out of the air and the stick out of their ass long enough to enjoy movies like this on their own terms. I love serious cinema, well-written dramas, clever comedies, thought-provoking science fiction. BUT, I can still get a hoot out of the deliberately cheesy likes of these flicks too. Life's too short and too fucked up to take everything so dead seriously. If we can't have some laughs and thrills from a low-brow flick every now and then, the aliens have already won.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Wow, hating on a movie that came out 16 or so years ago?

    by kidicarus

    What else? Can we talk shit about how the Ferris Bueller TV show was a terrible idea?

  • July 5, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Re: Actually the 70s/80s WERE a goldenage of movies..

    by Stalkeye

    Ah those were the good ol' days of my childhood. well, I'm actually refering to the 80's stuff like Escape from NY, The Thing, Blade Runner, Predator, Hellraiser 1&2, Die Hard, Rambo, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Terminator and of course Aliens. They just don't fucking make 'em like they used to. )0:' *SNIFF*

  • July 5, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Flick is pretty cheeseball, but it's a part of cheeseball america!

    by sweeneydave

    I love it. I loved screaming like a girl in the theater as I through my popcorn on the dude next to me during the alien autopsy scene. I loved that I saw it when I was 18 during that first year of seeing movies in the movie theater. And I love that I show it to my kids and tell them the reason we celebrate Independence Day is to remember when the Fresh Prince and the guy from Jurassic Park chased away all the aliens.

  • Now THAT was the (unintentionally) funniest remark I have read on this thread. Wow Soapfart, just fucking WOW!

  • there are different levels of quality. ID4 lies on the upper levels whereas pure garbage like TF lies on the lower ones.Franks_television made some good points about why this kind of separation is valid. ID4 as a movie succeeds in the same way that other popcorn flicks like SW or Indiana Jones have succeeded in the past: it has a balanced mixture of the necessary ingredients (spectacle, heroic characters,humor,decent story and most importantly soul) and in the right amount which manages to capture the attention of the audience,get them immersed to the film and give them the entertainment of their life so much that they ignore or forgive the various flaws of the film. And that my friend is a FACT.

  • that you enjoyed would have been cg. Just like phantom menace was ILM's biggest practical model show of all the starwars films. Just like how Godzilla before that used shitloads of real models. Just like how shitloads of real models are made and blown up today.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    I blame Tim Burton for everything that sucked after 1989.

    by UltraTron

  • ..those who make personal insults on the individuals who post harsh critiques on said film? Ah, ya gotta love these over reactionary Tbers I tells ya.

  • i wll keep criticizing those people as well. Inception was one of the most fucking pretentious and boring scifi flicks of the last decade but despite its numerous and obvious flaws many people praised it as the best thing since 2001.jesus. The same people who trash other movies despite the fact that they share the same flaws with their favorite films,for the simple fact that either they dont like thsoe movies or they dont like the guy who made them. Sorry but in my vocabulary that is called hypocrisy and i dont like hypocrites.

  • Yeah, that's right. Inception bored me silly. Just about every frame of it after the anorexic chick appeared. ID4 is a retarded and goofy film, but I would watch it any day over Inception, because as ambitious as Inception was, it missed the mark. ID4 hit the mark it was aiming for, popcorn (ooh God I love a fine assed popcorn kernel!), uh, yeah, my point uh, oh yeah! Popcorn entertainment.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by proevad

    Love watching retarded tea baggers like you trying to defend your stupidity. You hated Inception because your pea brain didn't understand it. Now go eat a sammich, watch your Adam Sandler collection, fuck your Sarah Palin blowup doll, and piss off.

  • I never bother to see Inception, however my Friends who have seen it, had mentioned that it was good . Not great, but good. I can drag out more flaws in the movies I dislike when in comparison, but that would be, "All too easy". Quote: "The same people who trash other movies despite the fact that they share the same flaws with their favorite films,for the simple fact that either they dont like thsoe movies or they dont like the guy who made them." Yeah, and your point being... it's more than obvious if some director who has a bad track record of shitty films will be prejudged or that said film may have weak story points or dumb content/concept will not get acknowledgement from me at least. what's hypocritical about having tastes? (0:'

  • understand what going on in the movie because the director/writer thought his audience was a bunch of retards and it was an obligation for him to over-explain every single detail of the film during the whole fucking time. DO YOU FEEL ME??????????

  • July 5, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Well Dirk, atleast you admit that ID4 is silly.

    by Stalkeye

    Not that Tom Cruise's WOTWs was so much better, but atleast it provided more horrific scenarios of what would happen during an alien invasion. ID4 felt like your average episode of the 1985-86 GIJoe Cartoon series with the noted exception of PSAs and of course aliens jumping out of damaged ships with parachutes. Byew-Byew!

  • July 5, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Dats some twisty self serving BS there, eye of broccoli

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    You know durn well that Asi will unleash bile on any movie that is directed by 'certain' directors sight unseen. That is hypocritical

  • July 5, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Some points

    by imagin78

    1. Inception is a horrible film. Easily one of the most overpraised movies of the last ten years. It was a shell of a film. Had McG, Ratner or Bay directed it instead of Nolan, it would had been eviscerated. 2. ID4 was one of the great theatrical moviegoing experiences. However, it doesn't hold up to repeat viewings. It has a number of effective sequences: the arrival, blowin'-up day. Nevertheless, it is a bit silly and jingoistic. No where near as bad as the typical Bay movie though. 3. War of the Worlds(2005) is a better film than ID4. If you take away the pat ending and the fact that SOMEONE should have died - Cruise or his son - it could have been a masterpiece.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    The whole computer virus thing was dumb but....

    by Han Cholo

    At the time, people didn't know a lot about computers and such. The PC boom hadn't happened until Gateway and Dell brought the prospect of cheap PCs to the forefront. So the plot mechanic might have worked for the masses then but today it would be a big joke to anyone. <p> Instead of using the virus as a Macguffin, they could have made it so that Goldblum and Smith used the commandeered ship to set of the nuclear explosion from inside the mothership but instead, Goldblum would have figured out the mothership didn't have internal shield defenses and a nuke would have been enough to destroy it anyway without using a virus. That would have made it less dumb and PC nerds around the world wouldn't have been up in arms about it.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    A really $hitty movie

    by veritasses

    ID4 is a good premise and good special effects wasted on a horrible, horrible screenplay and weak directing. The substandard acting only adds to the mess. If it weren't for the big budget sfx scenes that somewhat make up for some of the grand $hittyness, Emmerich's movies would be in Uwe Boll territory.<BR><BR> He seriously needs to be banned from all forms of movie making. If his cell phone has a camera, it needs to be destroyed

  • July 5, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Wrong. ID4 belongs to the low levels of dread and shit. It takes a shit retard like Bay to make shit even worst. ID4 belongs to the lowest scum. Good entertaiment are movies like THE DARK KNIGHT, BATMAN BEGINS, IRON MAN, INCEPTION, 13 ASSASSINS, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, JAWS, HEAT, LOTR, SW, MASTER AND COMMANDER, or TV shows like ROME and GAME OF THRONES. Thats real good entertaiment. To put that shit like ID4 in such company is insulting beyond belief.

  • technology was based on the alien technology stolen from the Rosewood crashed spaceship.There is also a deleted scene which shows how they coded the virus to communicate with the alien hardware and damage it. It was stuff that the Area51 scientists already knew how to do but they didnt know how to decipher the signal who controlled the motherships but Jeff had already broken it. the computer virus idea is far-fetched but not implausible.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The joke is on them indeed.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    But Inception is not pretentious. It's a smart movie. Or you consider all smart movies pretentious? If so, you have a very askewed idea of what pretentious is.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    What's shallow about some of the Moviegoers who first saw ID4..

    by Stalkeye

    ...I can recall a lot of people cheering during that scene in which the mothership had destroyed the Whitehouse and what was more perplexing was the fact that this was during Clinton's presidency/adminstration. And as far as I know, we were better off as oppossed to Dubya's regime. Yeah, to those fuckers who cheered during that scene probably got their wake up call during 2001-2008. Be careful what you wish for.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Yes, praise a movie which set the mark in shit. Who cares about ambition anymore? Movies should be dumb, so you say. Instead of aiming high and try to reachthe stars. What fantastic small thinking you got there. aim low, be dumb, be a slave and a surrender monkey to corporate filmmaking who considers you an imbecille and an idiot and makes movies accordingly. Yeah, praise the people who think you are a moron and makes movies accordingly. When you praise a movie like ID4 you are praining people who made amovie which is nothign more then 140 minutes of rich Hoylwood boys calling you a moron for the whole dureation of the movie. Let's put it this way: what if i wrote a post which would tyake you 140 minutes to read in which i would just me calling you a moron repeatedly for the whole lenght? Would you call that fun as well? Would that entertain you? Would you be entertained?

  • this country has gone to shit!

  • A movie truly made by morons for morons. Oh,a nd yeah, a single tactical thermonuclear bomb would be enough to completly vaporize an whole object one third the mass of the Moon. Again with feeling: ID4, a movie made by morons for morons.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    Has plot holes as big as the Grand Canyon. That said, i enjoyed it for what it was...Cinematic junk food.

  • Said it just was not holding her attention, she was very unimpressed. I don't call her an idiot for not liking it, but I did tell her to give it another chance at some point.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    WOTW had several problems to me:

    by KilliK was not a cyberpunk invasion thriller as it should be but instead a modern day invasion movie with retro-styled alien hardware.FAIL. 2.The terrible ending of the movie which everyone is criticizing: the all american family is safe and sound and reunites after the aliens are defeated.even the son is saved although he throws himslef in the heart of the alien combat.god bless america.FAIL 2. 3.Dwarf Tom Cruise is the hero of the day twice in the 3rd act of the movie.first he destroys the Harvester with the grenades by accident,then he is the only bloke who notices that something is wrong with the alien Tripods and notifies the soldiers about it who in return destroy the Tripod.Well done Tom,i guess your big ego couldnt let someone else to bring a closure to the alien invasion than you right? FAIL 3. 4.The WOTW aliens are fucking stupid.They are technologically evolved hundreds of years beyond the human technology,but they lacked the knowledge that their immune system is more vulnerable when it comes across completely new foreign environments? they are more retarded than the Signs aliens which invaded a planet filled with water while their only weakness was water..FAIL 4. 5.The whole divine salvation subtext in Freeman narration during the ending,who he seems was rehearsing for Bruce Almighty.FAIL 5. that's some of the things i didnt like in WOW.oh and that fucking girl who kept screaming the whole time. what an irritating little bitch.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Independence Day isn't quite as Mikey Bay's shit...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    but it sure as hell ain't good, either. Roland Emmerich is a fucking moron. As AsimovLives said above, it's only because even worse shit has come on the scene in the last fifteen years (cough*Transformers*cough) that what was once the lowest of the low rises one rung up the ladder in comparison.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    The best part about seeing ID4 in the theaters?

    by rogueleader66

    Was the trailer for the re-release of the Star Wars trilogy. Now that shit made me jump up and cheer.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST


    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Lookit, I am not praising ID4, I admit it is a retarded and silly but wholly entertaining movie. I compared it to the admittedly ambitious but ultimately flawed and boring Inception. In the perfect world (which only exists on the Amoeba level) all movies would be not only ambitious but entertaining. That has never been the case in hollywood, bollywood or Asiwood. Never. So, yeah, give me the silly but entertaining movie over the ambitious but boring movie any day! I recall a story I saw on 60 minutes about some dude who put a shop-vac (yes a shop-vac) under a glass dome and sold it as high art! For tens of thousands of dollars. And the pretentious snobs in the art world lapped it up. Why? Because it was ambitious and different and daring. Was not the same old same old. Because they had to be able to say, "look this is no ordinary piece of art that the low lifes can buy at target, this is high concept, ambitious, 'if you do not understand it you never will' art! With a capital A" Uh, huh You keep watching the 'ambitious but boring' stuff and tell yourself how good it is. Keep trashing works unseen. Keep telling yourself that you hold on to a higher standard, even when that standard in truth bores you to tears, because you have a self created image - that only you actually care about, to maintain. If that, and railing against popular, but admittedly flawed but still highly entertaining movies makes you a happy camper, then more power to you. I still will watch ID4 any day over Inception, while hoping for the next ambitious but great movie.

  • July 5, 2011, 2 p.m. CST


    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    Stargate was crap as well. Cheesy nonsense that took a good idea and made a mockery of Egyptian history. And Godzilla the worst of the lot...well, until the 00's when he made even worse crap. Hate! Hate! Hate! But it's probably justified...

  • July 5, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Seriously, if I had to watch an Emmerich film post Stargate....

    by rogueleader66

    It would have to be ID4, 2012 was just an unholy fucking mess of a movie.

  • Long live the Dumbification and Enslavement of Geekdom. Hip hip hurrah!!

  • July 5, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    You never cease to crack me up my friend.

  • when the movie ends,a gimmicky trick in order to supposedly fuck with my mind and keep me guessing and thinking what the hell just happened. sorry mate but between that and and watching that black striper's sweet ass in ID4,i prefer the latter. but i guess you the intellectually superior one prefers to watch movies which over-explain uninterruptedly to the audience the whole plot of the story,because that's what the smart non-pretentious movies do: they explain everything to you.right?

  • July 5, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Stargate was crap as well

    by KilliK


  • July 5, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    The only Emmerich film I would watch...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    would be Universal Soldier. Simple, unpretentious but enjoyable action junk. Godzilla, Stargate, ID4, The Patriot, etc. all could have great films in more talented and imaginative hands. That's what really sticks in the craw.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    UNSOL,SG,ID4 these are the only movies i like from Emmerich

    by KilliK

    the rest is unwatchable.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST


    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    I didn't like it, not even at the time. And I find Asi's defence of it particularly bizarre, particularly in light of his rightful trashing of Independence Day. They are movies both cut from the same cloth.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    turd...I forgot all about Universal Soldier

    by rogueleader66

    That's another good one....what happened after Stargate I am not sure, but SG and US are two decent flicks.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Godzilla trailer was awesome...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    The movie itself was one big piece of shit. Hopefully that reboot will be better.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    More mindless CGI bashing in the main article...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    Quint is tiresome in his anti-CGI rantings. He needs to differentiate between good CGI and bad, good practical effects and and bad ones, instead of making blanket statements. Blind poseur fanboy tirades with no substance. And ID4 was full of bad effects of both stripes.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Good points Killy, however.....

    by Stalkeye

    I can endure the flaws in WOTW which i never praised in the first place more than ID4U. (Abbreviation for it's dumb for you.) 1."Krypto the Superdog" jumping out of a wall of fire. 2.Will Smith's "now that's what I call a close encounter" then drags off the Ailen through the desert while yelling at him. (talk about a on the road act.) 3.General, I meant President whatshisname played by Bill Pullman leading the air strike against the Aliens. (oh, and of course there's that corny speech; "we will not go crying in the night..") 4."hello guys, I'm Baaaaaccck" BTW I heard that during filming Randy Quaid's character originally was suppossed to bomb the Mothership with a Cropduster. How imaginative. 5.OK, good explanation of the 'puter virus still a modern albiet contemporary take on the WOTWs Virus "catalyst". And Will's reaction to his Friend/Pilot getting killed is one of the most unintentionally funniest moments in the film: "Jimmmmmmyyy"!! Laughs galore, thanks Enema Emmerich.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    Was not Godzilla. Just because he had Godzilla's roar meant nothing. It was a giant monster movie CALLED Godzilla to attract an audience. Broderick was miscast. Almost everyone with the exception of Jean Reno was miscast. The Siskel & Ebert mayor thing was really dumb. That being said, it's kind of sort of watchable in a if there is nothing else on and nothing on Netflix and I don't feel like watching any of the 600+ movies I have and it happens to be on TV way.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    It's a pity that your sister gave up on INCEPTION only 30 minutes in, because afterward caomes the best part. If only she had had more pacience. As for your comparison (and excuse) of ID4 as junk food, well, junk food is bad. If you ment to compare to fast food, well, that comparison is also ruined for me because where i live we have a fast food brand which makes gourmet quality fast food at the same price of all other fast food. It's fast food as excelent good, by all standards you can measure food. Thus, fast food equivalent of movies have again no reason to be dumb, and shitty like ID 4 is. That's just laziness and complacency. It's being a surrender monkey to the dictates of the studios. And since it's myn money that pays their welth, they can go kiss my ass. In fact, it's not us who should kiss their asses, which is what anybody does when they praise or enjoy or defend a movie like ID4. It's they who should kiss our asses. They want our money, they better start wetting their lips.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    StarGate was great until they got to the Egypt planet


    or more accuratly upuntil they engaged the locals on the planet...up till then the whole mystery of it was fact that would have made an excellent Indiana Jones premise - "Indiana Jones and the Gateway of the Gods" or something like that (although i guess KOTCS had a little bit of StarGate at the end) we wouldnt of had to endure about 30 years of SG1 and all its spins offs then (is that show still going?)

  • July 5, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    WoW was disappointing but it had its moments...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    because a real artist was behind the film. Yes, an artist operating with half a heart and at about 25 percent efficiency, but still a true talent. There are scenes and images in WoW that are truly brilliant and that Emmerich could never rise to. Just a pity that Spielberg had to model his aliens after the ID4 ones.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    That you consider ID4 a wholly entertaining movie i already an admisisoj of defeit and makes you a surrender moneky to the studios. Studios that treat you like a moron. Like somebody with cerebral palsy. you are never going to get the respect formthe studios as long you give any good consideratiosn to shit like ID4. It deosn't matter if you say the mvoie is dumb. It's not good enough. That you still claim it's entertaiment still makes you their slave. You sold yourself to them for a cheap bargain. They are laughing at you while overcharging you for a dumb ass movie made on the quick and fast. We as geeks should know better. We as geeks should demand better. We as people DESERVE better.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Yes Asi, Inception does come off as a smart film..

    by Stalkeye

    ..I never got around to seeing it, but the premise doesn't come off as being dumbed down popcorn entertainment. Not that there's anything wrong with guilty pleasures as i have plenty of them, but the sheer lack of drive when making Big budgeted crap like Bayformers and ID4 serves as a message, that Hollywood is mostly looking for a quick cash grab while sacrifcing plot,storyline, character development and to some extent, pacing. Hey, some people refered to The Matrix as pretentious too and yet the film (first one of course) is superior than the aforementioned ones I have mentioned. Oh wellz, to each his/her own.

  • You have to do better then that, friend. Making accusations from terms devoided of meaning does not work.

  • similar shaped head

  • July 5, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I have to admit i'm a bit two minded about STARGATE. There's me who saw the movie when it was released, who had no previous experience with the filmmakwrs who made it (i saw UNIVERSAL SOLDIERS afterwards in VHS at a freidn's house). And then there's my opinion of STARGATE with all the hindsight of today. When i saw STARGATE i enjoyed it. I enjoyed the little details that for me helped make the movie enjoyable. That the people of the desert planet spoek coptic instead of english, as was common in Sf back then. That the people in the desert planet still prolongued their original egypcian culture from the time they had first been abducted by their alien overlords. That it had it's own look by exploring the cool visuals from ancient old empire egypcian culture. But hindsight is a bitch indeed. The res t of Emmerich and Devlin's careeer have robbed me of any will to revisit STARGATE again. I would probably pick up the whole shit i detest for Emmerich's filmmaking that would ruin any rewatch. I also find it hillarious that Emmerich and Devlin think so ill of the TV show when, by all reports, it vastly improved on the movie it's based upon.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    Well, don't mistake my junk food comment as defending the movie. I am just able to enjoy junk food as much as gourmet food, preferring the more tasty gourmet of course, but junk has its place. At least for me it does. It's a smart movie fan who can admit is a movie is bad, but still got some enjoyment out of it. The dumb ones are the ones who try to make you believe something dumb is not dumb. ID4 was dumb. I realize that not everyone can find enjoyment in dumb movies, it all comes down to personal preference. I am an optimist, and I try to find something good in all the movies I watch. There are times when that doesn't happen....the last one was Little Fockers, that movie was just god awful. You know a movie is bad when Jessica Alba stripping down to her bra and panties can't even save your movie.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    I don0't consider WOTW top be one of Spielberg's worsts.

    by AsimovLives

    I woud put it as one of his middle. It has some very isnpired moments, it was entertaining enough the first time i saw it, but i have no urge to rewatch it. Compared to CRYSTAL SKULLFUCK it's a masterpiece!

  • July 5, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    top = to

    by AsimovLives

  • July 5, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    =Indiana Jones and the Gateway of the Gods=

    by KilliK

    We already got that IJ movie, it's called Kingdom of Crystal Skull.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    CRYSTAL SKULLFUCK, yeah another dumb cashgrab.

    by Stalkeye

    I really lost faith in Spielberg nowadays. Transformers and Indy4? (The 3rd one didn not need to warrant another sequel, I always though the ending in which Indy rode off into the sunset was a perfect homage to the serials in which the series was inspired from.) Jesus, where has his creativity gone? Munich was good but I liked Minority Report better. For the life of me, I can't reacall his most recent successful picture. *sigh* How the mighty have fallen.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Asi, that is far better than what you are: A slave to pretention

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    You seem to derive your whole sense of self worth by championing the boring and pretentious over the popular. You seem to think it makes you the better geek to rail against what you perceive to be the inferior product, when in fact all you are doing is exposing your low self esteem. Yes, low self esteem. It seems counter-intuitive, because you stake out extreme positions from the norm, but in fact it is a pure cry for attention. If you were just 'part of the crowd' no one would pay any attention to you - at least not enough to satisfy your low self worth, so in order for that unquenchable need to be satiated, you stake out positions that guarantee to attract attention to yourself. In doing so, you not only reveal your dependence on what others think about you a sort of: 'wow, that asi is crazy and pretentious but he is relentless and he says he holds movies to a higher standard, he must really love movies, and although I disagree with him, i have to respect his unswerving attitude' Uh, huh It also reveals your blinding hypocrisy. By trashing others opinions, by trashing movies unseen, by trashing directors, by trashing the popular vs the insular, you reveal that yours and yours alone is the 'one true voice of reason'. Yeah, right Keep on believing that - because I am more certain than ever, it is the only thing you have to look forward to in what must be a very lonely life. You need to be thought of as a non-conformist, a radical, a dissenter. You derive your sense of self worth from what people on this web site think of you. That 'my friend', is a pathetic life style, and life. I actually pity you. You are far from alone in such behavior on a site like this, but it is still a sad spectacle.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    I forgot that Emmerich was responsible for Stargate

    by Stalkeye

    Entertaining but not worth seeing again. I especially like the potrayal of Kurt's character Jack O' Neil and his battle with depression via son's fatal accident. Not a bad ending either. SG should have received more acclaim than the overhyped ID4 IMNSHO. Emmerich also was responsible for the forgettable The Patriot. Nowhere as good as Gibson's previous effort Braveheart.

  • the movie ending with the top was nothing more than a mind-fuck gimmick which was only put there as an excuse to cause confusion among the fans and rise speculation and discussion about its "deep" meaning? yes or no? ANSWER TO ME YES OR NO? If that was Nolan's best attempt to make his movie to achieve cult status as one of the movies with the most ambiguous endings ever,well i got news for him but he aint no motherfuckin Kubrick.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST



    some good ol fashioned AIC rage there. most refreshing "ANSWER TO ME!!!" i need to use that expression more in conversation

  • July 5, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    killik, yes i deny that.

    by AsimovLives

    The ending of INCEPTION is soemthing that used to be common in movies mae in the 70s, but which fell into disuse since the 80s: AN AMBIGUOUS ENDING. Nolan didn't run out of film. He just mad an ending that's ambiguous. Deliberatly so. In tune to the type of movies he loves so much, the movies from the 70s in which they tend to treat audiences as inteligent people and who did left things deliberatly open. That's what the ending ofa INCEPTION is. And it's the ending the movie should had. It totally fits the tone of the whole movie that went before. There's no trickey in ther other then good storyteling and good filmmaking. INCEPTION is a great movie.

  • In the end, all you are doing is definding dumb shit. That's it. That's all you are doing. Defending shit. how was it that Forest Gump said? Stupid is as stupid does. If you defend dumb,how does that make you look like? 1- you don't actually know what pretentious really is. i know, i have see pretentious movies, real pretentious movies like french art-house movies that not evne the family of the filmamkers could endure. What you think of as pretentious would be considered popcorn on comparison. so you have no comparison,you hav eno knowledg,e and the gay abandon you use the term just proves it. You have no idea what pretentious is. and it's wrongly aplied to me. 2- You know what's pretentious? You guys who love dumb shitty movies and thus think you are better at knowing entertaiment. That's soem of themost pretentious bullshit i ever seenin my life. There is a snobery among the lovers of dumb ass shit that is simply stagering. 3- You are a surrender monkey to a stupid type of movies made by people and studios that calls you a dumb retard and gets your money easy from you. Nothing is worst then that. Made twice worst because you claim to be a movie, geek, which means you should be far better aware and savvy about it.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    What is aid is that in my country we have a fast food franchise that makes fast food that tastes like gourmet. As true that is to food, i say this is as true to mvoies as well: just because movies are made to be comemrcial products to be seen by the masses doesn't means it has to be stupid and dumbass as ID4. In fact, ther eis absolutly no excuse whatsoever for mediocrity, specially in big budget movies. If those are bad, it's because the people who made them don't give a shit about you or the audiences, the very people that make them rich. Nothing excuses as bad movie like ID4. Nothing.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    stalkeye, you shoudl watch INCEPTION

    by AsimovLives

    Preferable in Blu-ray. I saw it in blu-ray and it's the best way outside of a theatrical viewing. Bestof all, watch it so you cna make your own opinion. Not formwhat i say or what others say, be we detractors or supporters. Watch it, please. But i say this: you will be for a treat.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    To say this was one of the last films to use models etc

    by lookylookymoontard

    is utter shit,bollocks infact,countless movies have used that method since,the LOTR Trilogy used fuck loads of models. i really wonder sometimes,i really do.......

  • That i cannot abide.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Devin Faraci hates America.


    Just hates it.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Movie was fast food: grease & calories

    by blueant

    Movie for mass consumption, had lowered it's intelligence to that of the average Liberal voter.....else it wouldn't have sold.

  • July 5, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    asiimof you salt-lookin mothafucka

    by darth_ghidorah85

    talkin about these niggas havin f's and shit in physics. man, this dumbass nigga got a f in spelling, my boy! Lol dawg had me rollin for realz!

  • July 5, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    What? I liked it, sue me.

    by SID 8.0

  • July 5, 2011, 9:06 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    ID4 was a success because it was exactly what it promised to be - an old-fashioned, crowd-pleasing, big-budget event flick. It delivered the goods, and was no more dumb or cliche-ridden than dozens of other big-budget crowd-pleasers from decades past. I'm not going to waste time arguing that it's a great piece of cinema, because we all know it's not - but neither am I going to call this a "guilty pleasure," because I don't feel particularly guilty about re-watching this over say FITZCARRALDO or LILYA 4-EVER or other genuine "films" that are "better" but not as fun or kinetic as ID4.

  • July 5, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Did I miss a memo?

    by ScotFree

    Was there some kind of communication circulated that made it invalid/illegal for someone to enjoy mindless pop entertainment AND 'smarter' more 'artistic' film? If so, I'm screwed. I'm sure there are people here who will find it incomprehensible that my favorite movie is a Wong Kar-Wai film but that I can still watch ID4 and laugh and have a good time. Sure its an awful film, but hey, so are a lot of films that try to convince you they're something of import. I have a lot more respect for filmmakers who understand when their films are simply crass, somewhat mindless entertainment, than I do for those who try to slap the 'art' label on the stuff they do when its little better as a filmic exercise than most of the dreck that gets released to multiplexes.

  • July 5, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    7 Reasons Why ID4 is a bad movie:

    by spire_walk

    1. Cliches. The Gay Guy is doing every gay cliche, Will Smith is doing his wise cracking black guy routine, Jeff Goldblum's Dad is the Old Jew throwing out Yiddish catchphrases. All of this combined is 60% of the movie. 2. What. the. fuck. The roads are packed with people fleeing, traffic is at a standstill. Jeff Goldblum and his dad get out how? Backroads? Get the fuck out of here, you have possibly a million or more fleeing. If you thought of an alternate path, so did a hundred thousand others. 3. Will Smith. He's a Marine! No...wait... he's a fighter pilot! NO NO! Dude, he's a fighter pilot Marine! But Dude, get this, he's also the Fresh Prince of Bel Aire! Millions are dying, fellow Marines getting wiped out, and Will Smith is acting like he's on a fucking sitcom. 4. Coincidences. These make JJ Trek coincidences seem reasonable. Jeff Goldblum just so happens to be a genius cable guy, his ex-wife just so happens to work at the White House. Will Smith just so happens be the only Marine fighter pilot to survive against the aliens, his girlfriend just so happens to survive the wall of fire, and just so happens to find the First Lady. Randy Quaid just so happens to be a guy who was abducted and anally probed by the Aliens once. ALL of these fucking people just so happen to end up at Area 51. Half of these fucking people know how to pilot a modern era fighter jet, including the President. 5. Goddamn Forcefields. I am so sick and tired of forcefields. 6. The dog lives, YAY!!!! We just watched millions get incinerated, but please let the dog live because animals are sacred and special and stuff. *gag* 7. The world is at war, but we need to get marital counseling via Jeff Goldblum and his ex-wife, oh and recycle too!!! Preachity Preachity Fuck.

  • July 5, 2011, 11:21 p.m. CST

    It was a good movie.

    by catlettuce4

    As summer fun movies go it was pretty great. I just don't get the hatred it gets nowadays. Must everything be utterly serious and realistic? It was a modern take on the old alien invasion films, and it worked brilliantly... most people who saw it in theaters loved the hell out of it that Summer. Repeat viewings. Live with it.

  • July 5, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Still arguing the virus was dumb eh?

    by catlettuce4

    It was a "movie computer." Imagine it was in a Marvel comic or something and all will be right with the world. Good Christ. It made sense if you have an ounce of imagination.

  • July 5, 2011, 11:38 p.m. CST

    ID4 is the stupidest abbreviation ever.

    by Seven_of_Borgnine

    ...and we fell for it.

  • July 5, 2011, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Up until right after the first attack, it's actually pretty good.

    by Seven_of_Borgnine

    Which only makes the fact that it then manages to become one of the worst movies EVER all the more amazing.

  • was great watching herself grease-lump her way down that pole oh and her crackhead looking TV actress friend was great too, like went she went on the building and was holding the sign was like "Ooooohhh pretty", I bet it would have went on Facebook if it had been around.

  • Talk about "pulling a Spiner", he's the Aaron Eckhardt of TV actors, was part of something great and then straight to horrible-decision land.

  • July 6, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST

    virus is plausible

    by spire_walk

    Assuming: 1. The Aliens have ass-backwards computer tech. Very possible. Their craft, exosuits, etc, were organically grown per the novelization (yeah I know, I was so pumped about the movie I bought the novelization and read it the day before seeing the film). By comparison, their computer tech could have been very primitive, as much as 30 years behind our own. Hence, their programming language was such a basic binary that it was easy to reverse engineer if you are a math wiz already. As mentioned above, they could use our satellites. 2. Okay, now, assuming they are not computer geniuses at all, they may have never had a hacker subculture spring up in their race. Probable. To be honest, the virus problem is ID4's smallest problem.

  • July 6, 2011, 12:52 a.m. CST

    This talkback is why I hardly come to this site anymore.

    by RobertoInfinite

    Pretentious know-it-all-but-really-know-nothing assholes who try to suck the joy out of everything (asimovlives) and others who trash good movies in defense of movies like ID4.

  • July 6, 2011, 1:01 a.m. CST

    I have a video aimed at the naysayers of things.

    by RobertoInfinite

  • July 6, 2011, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Whew, winona_ryder and ultratron sound really sensitive

    by kevred

    winona_ryder, you just go ahead and post a pic of a bunch of guys hunched over their computers, and see if it rates against any of these BTS pics. It won't. There's no glamor, no mystery, because there's nothing actually there. It's all on a screen, all just a simulation. And ultratron, rant all you want about accuracy and photorealism - I said that stuff isn't what's most important, isn't what affects people. It's the immediate, emotional impact, followed by the considered appreciation of craft. And what's all your BS about "getting my opinions from someone else"? You sound like you're transferring some unrelated beef onto me. And both of you seem to have missed the part where I didn't dismiss the value of CG. It has immense value, and has produced some amazing things. But it's a *different* value than practical. It's not special in the same way that practical effects are. That's my point. And it is used as a crutch by many filmmakers to overextend their reach to the point of absurdity. Though I kind of agree with you about Tim Burton. :)

  • July 6, 2011, 2:22 a.m. CST

    in that case

    by CT1

    I do appreciate the kind of broken family parental vibe that the movie gives, and the theme running throughout of fathers and their relationships with their children, sons and daughters, from erf-like small children to jaded jewish dudes bickering with their "fadduh".. the fathers are all good strong men in this film, with the exception of one, who ends up redeeming himself in the end of the "picture" by saving the entire human race by sacrifcing himself, and his son finally realizes that even through all the dysfunction and anger, his dad truly WAS a hero. also love bad effects of dogs jumping away fromgiant fireballs in bad slow motion towards camera

  • July 6, 2011, 9 a.m. CST

    They should really make Forge of God / Anvil of Stars

    by Autodidact

    Can hardly think of two novels better suited for cinematic adaptation. I really need to go back and read some more Greg Bear novels.

  • July 6, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    To everyone with a problem with the science in ID4

    by v3d

    Nice points by the way. But you're heads must explode at Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. Magic? Really? You point a stick and say some shit in Latin and shit happens. REALLY?! The one genre I can never get into.

  • July 6, 2011, 10:16 a.m. CST



    I'm working on my Harry Review of Captain Country.

  • July 6, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Geat marketing, trailers on ID4. Stupid as stupid can be movie

    by Knobules

    I still remember the trailer that played the music from that Gne Hackman submarine flick while showing the US fighting back. Adrenaline bigtime. Then went to see it. ooooh. Uh. Ewwww. Randy Quad drunk in a biplane? A Macintosh Virus? B and C movie star galore cheesefest.

  • July 6, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Independence Day was as gay as the day is long...

    by Marlboroliteman

    it still holds the record as being the corniest movie ever made, just thinking of it makes me wanna vomit. It was a movie that had 2 cool looking explosions in it and that's it, everything else about it sucked, the story, the f/x, the directing, the over the top corn-ball acting.....BLAH!!!!! I just hurled!!! It totally ripped off ideas in Spielberg movies, the way they tried to communicate with the spacecraft using colored lights, the shadow of the spacecraft on the ground and others that are too numerous to mention were takin from Close Encounters. They ripped off of several other movies as well....there's not one original moment in the whole film and don't get me started on the huge, colossal gay undertones in the movie. This is the movie that made Will Smith the over rated super star that he is today, not because he was good in it or the movie was any good but because for some unknown reason the movie made a ton of money. My theory as to how this truly epicley bad movie made so much money is the marketing which kept showing the 2 cool explosions in all the trailers, T.V. commercials and interviews with the stars and also the gay undertones of the movie brought the gay movie attending audience out in force to see it. Will Smith is the Paris Hilton of super stars, I just don't get why he's so famous. With the exception of one or two movies that he was in (that were barely o.k. at best) he has yet to be in a movie that is any good.

  • July 6, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST


    by spire_walk

    Yeah, I remember that trailer too! This movie had the best hype machine ever. ID4 wasn't just going to be out on 4th of July Weekend, this movie was going to be the fucking celebration itself. Then, like you said, we went and saw it, and realized that this was not going to be the hardcore alien invasion flick we had been waiting for.

  • He's all kinds of smart. Way smarter than you. But he has the amazing ability to suspend his disbelief in a movie theater and enjoy himself. You should try it sometime.

  • July 7, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST

    If you guys ignore Asimov he will go away

    by cgih8r

  • July 7, 2011, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Rt place @ Rt time

    by Brian

    Here's something of note... After seeing ID4 in the theater on opening night, we hung around for the credits. As they rolled we overheard the people in the row behind us saying "There's his name!" I turned around to ask them who, and they explained that their son had worked on the movie as a model maker! (Can't remember his name unfortunately) They proceeded to pull out BTS snapshots of the alien fighter! (In the hangar in different stages of construction) Incredible, one of my favorite movie memories ever!