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Selina And Bruce, Together Again!! A Bit Of Unofficial THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Footage!!

I am – Hercules!!

Anne Hathaway, as Catwoman alter ego Selina Kyle, takes Christian Bale’s Bruce by the hand and leads him away from stately Wayne Manor. So at least their alter-egos seem friendly enough:

Hathaway’s fellow newcomers to the franchise are expected to include Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Tom Hardy, Marion Cotillard and Juno Temple.

Bale’s fellow returnees are expected to include Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman and Liam Neeson.

Christopher Nolan again directs from a screenplay by himself and brother Jonathan Nolan.

“The Dark Knight Rises” arrives in cinemas July 20, 2012.

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  • July 2, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Very cool!

    by Deep13

  • July 2, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    I'll wait for the movie....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    shit like this does nothing for me.

  • July 2, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Whatever

    by truenotes1

  • July 2, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    fascinating

    by Rupee88

    this is a few days old and why do we care to see this?

  • July 2, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    lol "Mario"

    by superfeen

  • July 2, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Very gay deep13!!

    by Valenni

    I am of course jealous.

  • July 2, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    This flick

    by truenotes1

    IS GONNA SUCK!!!

  • July 2, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Holy Farking Snit!!!

    by Mr Soze

  • July 2, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    That's obviously not Wayne Manor

    by Karl Hungus

    Or did Bruce not have a limo handy and needed a Gotham cab when he locked himself out of his own house?

  • to The Dark Knight. Though to be fair that's mostly because of David Goyers shitty script and Nolan is writing this one himself, so perhaps my fears are unfounded.

  • July 2, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    *worried about them going back to the..... that should read

    by IndustryKiller!

    Learn to proofread IK

  • July 2, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Bruce Wayne finally GOES ALL OF THE WAY!

    by grassh0pperunit

    I get the impression that Bruce Wayne, in this continuum, is a virgin. Since they used parts of Batman: Year One for Batman Begins, maybe the Selena Kyle in this version is a prostitute (a high end one) and Bruce pays to finally lose his virginity and then realizes that he's a rich, good looking guy, how much action he can get because of this, and that it's time to grow up and stop dressing like a "Bat-man". http://johnny-flores.blogspot.com/2011/04/whats-in-belt.html

  • July 2, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Anne Hathaway is horrible casting!

    by gringostar

    nuff said...

  • Both films, while quite good, are also seriously flawed. I don't think one is particularly better than the other. Only Heath Ledger's tour-de-force performance makes TDK seem vastly superior, even though it really isn't.

  • July 2, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I don't get it

    by Mugato5150

    Is Liam Neeson a flashback or something? Don't give me any Lazerus Pit shit, that just keeps him from aging or heals him if he can make it there. It doesn't save him from being blown the fuck up in an elevated train wreck. Besides, if they were going to pull the Lpit thing they would have established it in the first film. Anyway, I think Anne is fine casting as Catwoman. If the film was made 15 years ago I'd prefer Angelina Jolie but it's not.

  • July 2, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't Catwoman be Kyle's alter-ego?

    by Kirbymanly

    Just sayin'.

  • Selina: "Looking for some pussy?" Bruce (looking up at the rain): "Only if it's wet." Selina: "Is that a dark knight rising in your pants?" Selina knowingly grabs Bruce by the hand and escorts him away. Fin.

  • July 2, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Karl Hungus, nope

    by IndustryKiller!

    Begins fails as both an origin and a Batman story. The origin is so painfully readers digest it doesn't even come close to exploring how Bruce Wayne turns himself into a crime fighting machine (apparently about two weeks of ninja training?) It also never establishes him as being any more intelligent than your average kind of smart person nor does it even bother attempting to explore the complex psychology of a guy who basically martyrs his entire existence to avenging his parents death. By the time he comes back to be Batman the film blazes through, tossing its "realism" aside whenever it's inconvenient and shoe horning in a "villain of the week" plot that would make the first X-Men film proud. TDK is thematically strong throughout, the Two Face stand off at the end is certainly the films biggest flaw but before that the film has more or less completed a stellar arc for all involved. The Hing Kong sub plot is all of 5 minutes of hte film and I would argue is one of the better examples of Batman's ingenuity and prowess as a crime fighter and establishes just how invaluable he's become to the Gotham police force.

  • July 2, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Too much Talk in Nolan fliks

    by Bigdada

    Nolan is a better concept guy. His direction is spotty and at times confus I'd love to see Michel Gondry take a crack at it. Who would be your choice?

  • I feel like I have to trust Nolan after he gave a big fat fuck you to all the Heath Ledger haters as his performance was amazing, but the character of Catwomen just has always seemed silly. I am really worried about this one.

  • July 2, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Don't say anything against Herc

    by Mugato5150

    I politely disagreed with him once and he banned my ass. Most traumatic 12 minutes of my life until I was able to create a new account. Don't get on Herc's bad side!

  • July 2, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Karl Hungus is exhausted

    by Bigdada

    And he's dead on!!! Nice one, mate!

  • July 2, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    gringostar - agreed

    by Tony

    Anne Hathaway is beautiful in a Kate Middleton kind of way. As an actress she is pretty but comes off as a bit uptight and prudish. Catwoman should be oozing sex appeal. Hathaway just doesn't do it for me.

  • its sad really.

  • July 2, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    BREAKING NEWS FROM LYBIA!

    by WONKABAR

    http://tinyurl.com/3b3krb6

  • July 2, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    KirbyManly...alter-ego goes both ways.

    by Cheif Brody

    like yer Mom. BOING!!! Sorry... <p> Depends on which costume the character is wearing at the moment. It's not a mutually exclusive term. Batman's alter ego is Bruce Wayne and vice versa.

  • July 2, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Wow - you guys are only 4 days late on this story

    by georgecauldron

    .....

  • July 2, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    hathaway

    by gerhard_futkanister

    nolan has a really weird tendency to cast complete lightweights in the part of "the one girl in the movie". underscores even more how little they have to do. (wait, there were 2 women in inception right? hard to remember...)

  • July 2, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Mario Cotillard

    by Gene Cowan

    Nice, wasn't expecting to see him in any movies for awhile. His brother Luigi Cotillard is pretty talented too, though much less popular.

  • July 2, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins is the more enjoyable film

    by D.Vader

    In my opinion.

  • July 2, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Christ how hard is it to keep your hannndddd stiiillllll

    by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm

    Interesting watch nonetheless.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST

    The first half of Batman Begins is quite good

    by elsewhere

    Oddly enough the film begins to fall apart when he becomes Batman. Anyway, I hope TDKR is as gorgeous as Inception. Hats off to Wally Pfister.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    TDK

    by christpunchers2007

    was only as good as it was because of the Joker. All the non Joker scenes, especially the Harvey Dent scenes, were shit. I don't mind Ackhart but he played his role in a very boring and non exciting way. The guy has no charisma and is a walking suit. Hopefully they'll make TDKR more balanced out and even so I'm not bored to death with the other 50% of a movie. And I too think Anne Hathaway is a very very poor casting choice. Her acting abilities are very average and even though all her features individually looks good, the combination of everything makes her another ugly duckling that seems to be in every Nolan Batfilm thus far.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Hopefully Nolan..

    by KiwiMetal

    ...will get Catwoman right. No Batman movie or off shoot has done the character justice.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    There decent fims

    by UGG

  • July 2, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    comicbookmovie & superherohype had this last monday............

    by Arkhaminmate001

  • July 2, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    AICN late on shit as always...

    by Mariusz

    This shit was reported 3 days ago on other sites. Gotta get your shit together, Harry...

  • July 2, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    it'll be interesting to see what color timing nolan and Pfister go with

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    begins had a septone or brownish hint to in, The dark knight went with a cold blue slate. It'll be interesting to see if they continue the dark knight color or go back to begins (seeing as this film will have more in common with begins then TDR) hell, they might even decide on an all knew color theme, perhaps a greenish look?

  • The man is quite a dandy.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    industrykiller!, Batman Begins fails at nothing.

    by AsimovLives

    Sorry to disagree with you on this, brother, but the truth has to be said.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    bigdada

    by AsimovLives

    Are you mad? Where you bought that opinion? It's defective and you should have it returned.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    christpunchers2007

    by AsimovLives

    Are you mad? Where you bought that opinion? It's defective and you should have it returned.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins > TDK

    by xsikal

    As someone else said, Batman Begins only began to crumble when Buce actually became Batman, (probably because Bale's Batman is kind of hard to take seriously). Meanwhile, TDK, despite Ledger's stand-out performance, was really a very silly movie... nothing like an anarchist clown who is at the same time near omniscient and omnipotent, simply because the storyline demands it. There has yet to be a standout female performance in this batman reboot, and, while I do like Hathaway, I don't expect her to break that trend.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Bruce*

    by xsikal

    One day, we will be able to edit our typos. One day!

  • July 2, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Asimovlives

    by Bigdada

    I Fucked my post up. What I was trying to say was... I love Nolan's ideas. He's brilliant. I feel his Epic films (TDK and Inception) are too 'exposition' heavy and the direction at times is confusing and some of the scenes are overly long-winded and don't necessarily do anything to move the plot forward. I'd love to see someone like Gondry remake Inception. I think he's a director that has a much better understanding of abstract visualization... something that Nolan does not. That's my opinion and it's no more defective than yours.

  • July 2, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Don't count on Nolan doing any wonders with Catwoman

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    2 reasons i say this 1) Hathaway is not a good actress, she has limited screen appeal or likeability. The fact is is that she's goofy and can't be anything other then herself on screen. She's the Julia Roberts of her generation. A blank slate who's more agitating then talented 2)Nolan has severe mommy issues, he's never been able to write or direct strong female characters, he always makes them nothing more then elements to move the plot, they are never intelligent or have proper arcs. Women in Nolan's films are motivators, not actual characters (how many of Nolan's films have plot element based around the death or loss of a woman?). He's one of my favourite director's but he has never understood how to properly craft female characters. he adds them to structure or move the plot, not to be powerful characters

  • July 2, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    xsikal

    by AsimovLives

    Are you mad? Where you bought that opinion? It's defective and you should have it returned.

  • July 2, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    I will be seeing this.

    by Manatee

    But I can't deny I'm worried about all the villains.

  • I wonder if the same people who try so hard to find this so-called flaws in the Nolan's Batman movies are the same people who find Michael Retard Piece Of Shit Bayass movies fun and entertaining. I wonder.

  • July 2, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    RE: Batman Begins fails at nothing

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Translation: AsimovLives' lubed anus puckers in anticipation of Nolan's dandy knob making an all-too-easy entry and liquid deposit.

  • July 2, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Herc, it's Selina not Selena like the latin singer.

    by DEX

  • July 2, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    I've never complained about it before, but

    by Transhuman

    Geez, you guys are like a week late with EVERYTHING.

  • July 2, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    yes, Batman Begins > TDK....

    by Fritzlorrerains

    The joker was cool but without him the movie suffers.

  • July 2, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Almost a week old

    by darth_hideous

    C'mon guys

  • July 2, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Chris O'Donnel got to eat!

    by Gorgomel

    Bring back Robin!

  • July 2, 2011, 6 p.m. CST

    Definitive proof that they are making a movie

    by Teddy Artery

    Heh. Looking forward to seeing the baby, not that interested in the delivery.

  • July 2, 2011, 6 p.m. CST

    Who shot that? Did they film it on sandpaper?

    by SID 8.0

    Makes the Zapruder film look high-def come on. I'll wait for the movie jeez!

  • July 2, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Isn't it 'Selina'? (not 'Selena')

    by Steve Rogers

    I hope this flick isn't too 'Begins'. BB was fine but the third act is totally horrible (as soon as the microwave emitter turns up the film falls apart) and the best thing Nolan did was drop the obviously fake bits of Gotham (the Narrows etc) for doing it all on location in TDK.

  • July 2, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Great, thanks for the spoiler

    by chifforobe

    Now I know there will be bipedal locomotion and clothes-wearing a-plenty in this film. I'll still rent it, I guess.

  • July 2, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST

    BB and TDK were just OK. 3 stars each.

    by uberfreak

  • July 2, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST

    mr. nice gaius

    by AsimovLives

    Are you mad? Where you bought that opinion? It's defective and you should have it returned.

  • July 2, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST

    uberfreak

    by AsimovLives

    Are you mad? Where you bought that opinion? It's defective and you should have it returned.

  • July 2, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    It's always the person with a super shitty camera getting this footage!

    by alienindisguise

    Freakin' weak.

  • July 2, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    that's a very cool taxi cab

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

  • July 2, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Bane..

    by Tank Williams

    Thats all I gotta say...Nolan letting Bane unleash in Gotham, on paper that sounds amazing! God I hope he pulls this off! My biggest fear is that this will suffer a little from the Spidey 3 curse....Too many characters.. Oh and Catwoman concerns me

  • July 2, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST

    "apparently about two weeks of ninja training?" WWWRRROOONNNGGG!!!

    by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform

    From Batman Begins- Alfred Pennyworth: You've been gone seven years. At least get your facts straight. YOU may think the movie failed, but neither critics nor audiences are inclined to agree with you. Neither am I, and I am hard to please (just ask your mother).

  • Can't wait

  • July 2, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST

    so the bat and the cat are RELATED? who knew?

    by abe

  • July 2, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Spoiler within a spoiler...

    by bcom77

    So I just noticed in the article that Liam Neeson is returning. I know that this article had a spoiler alert but was that inadvertently a spoiler within a spoiler? I've been trying to avoid big spoilers for this but I suppose it's my fault for clicking on the link.

  • July 2, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Anne Hathaway and Rod Hull's Emu...

    by BiggusDickus

    ...you never see them in the same room together, do you?

  • July 2, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Yeah bcom77, you would have made it all the way to opening night

    by Mugato5150

    without knowing Liam Neeson was in it, if not for this story.

  • July 2, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    I'm 50/50 sold on Hathaway

    by Jarrete Barnett

    I could name three actresses off the top of my head that seem better suited for this part than her. But I'd still have to see an official picture in order to really get a feel of what Nolan has in store for the character.

  • July 2, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    I think...

    by darth_ghidorah85

    Hathaway might be good, and this coming from a 1/32 black man

  • July 2, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST

    stiguy

    by AsimovLives

    I understand your apreentions. I have them too. If this movie was being made by anybody but Nolan, i would share your skepticism.

  • July 2, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    "apparently about two weeks of ninja training?" WHAT???

    by AsimovLives

    BATMAN BEGINS clearly states that Bruce Wayne was 7 years out of Gotham. And in those seven years he got himself an impressive set of streetfigthing skills, so much so that the guard in that prision in Buthan put him in solitary for the protection OF THE OTHER INMATES. And then he went to the temple of those ninja dudes,adn concidering the montage in the movie, it makes it look lie he stayed there for quite some time. Long enough that the group though they had in him a faithful enough follower that he could be their instrument in bringing down Gotham. You would think they would get such confidence on a mere stranger who had been with them for two weeks? There are time swhen somebody critcises a movie's plot is telling more on their own lack of perception then the movie itself. BATMAN BEGINS is no ABRAMS TREK, for cunt's sake!

  • July 2, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    I'm sold on Anne Hathaway.

    by AsimovLives

    The fact she is not the obvious choice already makes me suspect Team Nolan made theright choice. How was it some years ago where the geekry was united in thinking they had fucked up when they cast Heath Ledger as The Joker? How did that went?

  • July 2, 2011, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Hold the fucking camera still!!!!

    by notcher

    What is this, "Blair Witch 3?"

  • July 2, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    This isn't the Dark Knight Rises Footage

    by Robert79797979

    This is footage from the Filming of The Dark Knight Rises.

  • July 2, 2011, 8:34 p.m. CST

    notcher... dude was filming in secret

    by MurderMostFowl

    presumably the guy was hiding his camera, so it's not exactly on a tripod or anything...and as we can see he's zoomed in far enough that the slightest amount of movement throws him way off.

  • July 2, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    She's pretty dressed up for a prostitute...

    by TopHat

    ...I guess that's one Catwoman origin plot that we can cross off. It looks like she's gonna be another rich person. I still say "Catwoman" will be the "Dark Knight" that "rises"; they're going to make HER the hero that emerges. It'll be like a bait-and-switch: instead of these movies being about Bruce Wayne becoming the protector of the city, it has really been all about setting up Selina Kyle as the hero. Bruce dies the hero, and she rises as the Dark Knight, following his lead.

  • July 2, 2011, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Marion Cotillard vs Anne Hathaway as catwoman

    by Carven

    Marion Cotillard, in my opinion, is the hotter babe of the two and I wish that she was actually playing Catwoman. But Nolan has yet to disappoint me, his directing skills are top notch and only get better. Now if only he could find a great stunt coordinator/action movie cinematographer for advice on the fight choreography, THEN that would be flippin' sweet nuts. Anne Hathaway has some rather large heels to fill, because Michelle Phifer will always be the definitive Catwoman to me.

  • July 2, 2011, 9:49 p.m. CST

    VERN PWNED BOBO

    by Fritzlorrerains

    Hard.

  • July 2, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Some people need to learn the definition of the term "flaw".

    by Dr Gregory House

    These people also need realize that the term "flaw" can be (and usually is) subjective.

  • July 2, 2011, 10:13 p.m. CST

    People who bitch about Nolan's Batman films ...

    by Cruizer Dave

    should be forced to watch the entire Michael Bay/Tyler Perry collection. Nolan's Batman films are great, people who bitch about them need to get a life.

  • July 2, 2011, 10:46 p.m. CST

    ALL OF YOUR OPINIONS...

    by johnnyrandom

    ...I've heard before. And I didn't care then, either.

  • July 3, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST

    12min video of Catwoman on Batman: Arkham City

    by NickDWolfy

    Wonder if the constume will be similar. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/07/01/watch-12-minutes-of-batman-arkham-city-if-you-dare/

  • July 3, 2011, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins is the better Batman movie...

    by GuyFawkes

    ...while The Dark Knight is the better action movie. Both are good. But Begins has more of the true Batman elements- the stealth, the creating fear, the batarangs, etc. Dark Knight was a fantastic action movie but many of the distinctive Batman elements were left out- because Goyer wasn't involved in the writing of the script, just the concept.

  • And I still think Hathaway is TERRIBLE casting for this part. She's a half good looking dork. Just doesn't work for me at all. And before somebody says, "but that's what people said about Heath Ledger nya nya blah blah"... well, I didn't say that! I never had a problem with his casting.

  • July 3, 2011, 12:44 a.m. CST

    guyfawkes, I don't know man

    by Jaka

    I'm not a slavish Batman fanboy and I tend to love pretty much every minute of The Dark Knight. There is a TON of great acting going on in that movie.

  • July 3, 2011, 12:44 a.m. CST

    I KINDA THINK ANNE HATHAWAY'S IN HERE CUZ OF HEATH LEDGER

    by Meadowe

    she was in brokeback mountain, and maggie gyllenhaal (spl?) is the sister to Heath's brokeback co-star Jake and...yeah I know it's kinda reaching but I still don't get her casting as selina kyle, even though I really do respect and admire her I hope I will be thoroughly proven wrong when I see tdkr next year. Just like with Heath Ledger being cast as the Joker I approached with trepidation, or even x-men first class, I hope tdkr and AH's casting will entertain me immensely.

  • July 3, 2011, 12:49 a.m. CST

    and I HOPE BANE DOESN'T END UP LIKE SHOQWAVE

    by Meadowe

    SPOILERS from what I've read they're kinda similar, Bane letting the arkham inmates kick bruce's @$$ and then snapping him in two, while I read that Shockwave waited patiently (in the original comic books) for the autobots and decepticons to beat each other up and then turning into a big purple gun and blowing both sides away. As far as the subject line goes, Shoqwave ended up being just another throwaway villain in tf3 even though he was hyped to be the main bad guy, and as much as I loved Heath's Joker that would suck if Tom Hardy's Bane wasn't the real villain.

  • July 3, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Anne's got the boobs, but it takes an epic ass to be Catwoman!

    by Onin Solstice

    Physically though, if she put on some more ass kicking weight she may be a good fit. Just may need some ass prosthetics.

  • July 3, 2011, 1:31 a.m. CST

    TDK is better than BB

    by Continentalop

    Much better IMO. TDK stays much closer too Nolan's conceit of making a much more plausible Batman who exist in a universe very much like ours save for the existence of himself and some arch-criminals. BB has secret ninja cults and fear gas and microwave cannons and gigantic monorails. And while these things fit the comic book of Batman, they don't fit Nolan's vision of a pulp-like Batman. Plus the ninja cult origin undermines of the fundamental great things about Batman: that any one of us could be Batman if we just had the motivation or money. Well, Batman Begins says you can't be like him unless you can find a secret society called the League of Shadows and learn super ninjitsu, instead of traveling the world and learning realistic and actual skills like judo, boxing, forensics, etc. Finally, Joker isn't omnipotent and omniscient. He is actually just a cheap "magician" (the entire pen scene spells that out, "ta-da. Magic!"). He only "appears" to be able to do miraculous things because like a magician he hides how he actually does it and lets our imaginations take over, making us see something much more mysterious and impressive than what is actually happening.

  • July 3, 2011, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Asimov, Im aware its SUPPOSED to be more than two weeks

    by IndustryKiller!

    But you'd never know it from the utter lack of passage of time and the, what, maybe four different recurring sequences that apparently add up to a man becoming a super ninja. It's preposterous. Moreover it short changes Batman as a character, never bothering to explain how brilliant a mind he is, which is just as important as his physical prowess. As for the street fighting thing, please, that's clearly thrown away as an inferior fighting style the second he gets recruited by the League of Shadows. And on a personal note, stop resorting to ad hominem attack, I've done nothing but bring up valid points, and I haven't even scratched the surface of begins' flaws.

  • I mean, come on.

  • July 3, 2011, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight II : Rise of the Robin

    by Gorgomel

  • Nolan assumed we'd be smart enough to infer that he got a lot of training over those years, tough training at that. They showed bits of his training, more than enough to make it believable. What more do you fucking want? I agree that I wished the detective route was taken. All they had to do was show a young Bruce Wayne being fascinated with Gordon and his detective work after his parents were killed. I mean, they had the scene where Gordon comforts Bruce, why not extend it and show the beginning of his detective skills?

  • July 3, 2011, 3:22 a.m. CST

    sierratangofoxtrotuniform

    by Continentalop

    Probably because if I remember right Gordon wasn't a detective: he was a uniformed cop. And cops in uniform don't investigate. And yes, I am being a little snarky. Sorry, on my sixth Fat Tire...

  • I'm not going to speculate what they could or should have done, but I think the main thrust here is that the ENTIRE origin wasn't given enough time. That's the landmine with adapting Batmans origin, I'm not saying it isn't hard, in fact maybe it's better a little mysterious with more lip service. Bruce Wayne, so brutally traumatized by the murder of his parents in front of him, decides to forgo all the joy of human life and turn himself into the perfect weapon against crime. This includes mastering a knowledge in the criminology field, multiple fighting styles, becoming almost impervious to pain, becoming a technological genius, it goes on and on and on. He's literally more or less the smartest guy on Earth. How do you portray that precisely? I can't say that I know for sure, but if you don't you DO NOT HAVE A PROPER BATMAN ORIGIN. No I wouldn't say you have to show each of these things in any kind of painstaking detail, but they have to be present or strongly implied. Begins chose to jettison all of this for a silly League of Shadows training that seemed to exclusively include, dodging things on poles, a single fight on an ice pond while being told incredibly obvious platitudes on an ice pond, and walking through a room of ninja shit like smoke bombs. Sorry, it doesn't cut it. I don't believe this is the most brilliant mind on the planet or the best fighter on Earth. Not even close. Like not even a teeny tiny bit. In fact the opposite, it seemed like Wayne spent most of his time dicking around and then took the summer course in ninja-ing. Moreover, and an even bigger crime, is that Bruce Wayne doesn't seem to be a terribly extraordinary person, even after all is said and done. This is something that never seems to get brought up, but this is a guy who was horrifyingly traumatized by a single event that basically snapped him like a twig and he will never ever recover or heal because he is too busy reliving it every night of his life taking it out on other criminals. Who is that guy? What's he like when he's by himself with nothing to distract him from pain? Where is that sense of vulnerability beneath the conviction and anger? Jesus that heavy material, so ripe for examination, and Goyer just could not be fucking bothered, he doesn't once attempt to take a look at it. And if you say it's there int he relationship with Rachel then I don't know what the fuck to tell you because that's just idiotic as that dynamic doesn't have an ounce of truth and shouldn't be in the film. Blame Katie Holmes if you want, whatever, the point is it sucks and Nolan was wise to use her as nothing more than a cypher for Harvey Dent's arc in The Dark Knight.

  • I hate hathaway. She is horse faced and obnoxious.

  • July 3, 2011, 4:41 a.m. CST

    I have a contract to the UK shoot (Bedford shoot)

    by lookylookymoontard

    I managed to get a set tour on my last visit,there was a circular set that had a pit full of water surrounded by cells that was def Arkham,also i was lucky enough to see a stunt first hand,said stunt consisted of the Bat mobile hanging by a crane with a fake road underneath which crumbled away followed by the Tumbler,which interestingly was back to the camo look from Begins. The guy i was with said they had 6 batmobiles,the other 5 were being shipped to the US,the one i saw had no engine but the others were all fully working. Outside the main building there was half a plane that was made to look like wreckage. Going back next week,cant wait :)

  • July 3, 2011, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Hathaway alone kills this movie

    by Jeditemple

    She's a shitty actress with big boobs, which is normally okay for me. But she's also an asshole, who thinks she's hot and talented. She's wrong for this role.

  • July 3, 2011, 5:46 a.m. CST

    oh come on nabster

    by MoffatBabies

    grandmatits is looking pretty good in that photo above.

  • July 3, 2011, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Next time read your own talkback

    by The Fuck

    cause I posted this on here about a week ago or something. and it was the 5th fucking post

  • July 3, 2011, 6:45 a.m. CST

    On the fence on Hathaway

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    I think Michelle Phiffer's personality was/is better suited for Catwoman. Honestly, I had my doubts about Ledger as well. She will probably prove the naysayers wrong.

  • July 3, 2011, 6:47 a.m. CST

    industrykiller!

    by AsimovLives

    I had no tproblem whatsoever o understand that Bruce Wayne took quite some time in that monestary learnign his ninja skills. I don't udnerstand why you have such a problem yourself. What would you need? A calender showing the passage of time? Now that would be preposterous. People would laugh it up.

  • July 3, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    tophat

    by AsimovLives

    Everybody is always well dressed in a Christopher Nolan movie. In his movies, even the slobs have high standards.

  • July 3, 2011, 6:50 a.m. CST

    The way i see it, Nolan hired Anna

    by AsimovLives

  • Anne Hathaway fills both requirements. It seems Nolan took acting ability over bussom, tits and big arse, you know what i mean? And anybody who thinks Hathaway is not pretty need to get cured. Female beauty doesn't start and stop with Megan Fox, you know?

  • for some reason, they are dopwnplaying the fact that Kyle is also Catwoman. The production never calls Hathaway's character as Catwoman, always Seline Kyle. Reminds me of how THE DARK KNIGHT made a such a emphasis on Ekhard's character being Harvey Dent.

  • July 3, 2011, 6:57 a.m. CST

    axelfoley

    by AsimovLives

    Taking away the whole League Of shadows from BATMAN BEGINS is to completly miss the point of the movie, the way i see it. All pieces in Batman Begins are need to tell the whole story. That movie is not like one of those pieces of shit movies made by Mickey Bayass or Jar Jar Abrams where you could take out whole chuncks and still have very much the same movie.

  • July 3, 2011, 6:59 a.m. CST

    continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    You have suffered six flat tires? Damn! My complete sympathies to you, friend. What a bad luck run!

  • July 3, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST

    industrykiller!

    by AsimovLives

    Considering that BATMN BEGINS is the only Batman movie (or even including TV shows for that matter) which actually took time to show how Batman began his career of crime fighting, when before Batman already pretty much showed up pretty much as a full grown Batman already, your complain that the movie didn't showed enough of the beginings of Batman kinda loses much of it's steam, if you know what i mean. Hell, there were many who complained that the movie showed too much of Batman's neginings. Me, i love the movie so much that i could had watched one more hour of Batman before Gothan and another hour of Batman in Gotham. I never get tired of that movie, andthe only flaw i find in it is that it's too short. A flaw i find in all movies i love. Good movies are always too short.

  • July 3, 2011, 7:06 a.m. CST

    nabster

    by AsimovLives

    What? Hathaway is a classic beauty, and in all her interviews she cames across as immensably likable and nice. Even people who have meet her outside of the usuaal movie promotional tours have found her to be acessible and nice. And let me say this again: Hathaway is a classic beauty. She look slike she came out f soem painting of old. In fact, i can say for certain that Megan Fox has more of an equine face then Hathaway. People complianing about Hathaway are reaching at straws. Funny they are complaining about one of the few people in holywood who actually seems to be genuinely nice and acessible, when i bet they fall inlove with stars who are in fact real bitches. Who can understand this?

  • July 3, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST

    lookylookymoontard

    by AsimovLives

    So it seems the rumours about a major action sequence that involves an Hercules airplane crash landing on a highway are true.

  • July 3, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Who filmed that? Michael J. Fox?

    by trekguy1966

    Crap clip. A cab. Big deal.

  • July 3, 2011, 7:35 a.m. CST

    asi with you on Batman Begins

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    brilliant movie and I would have loved to have seen another hour before he returned to Gotham If that happened though then there would be people (probably the same) saying something like "its called Batman, why did we have to wait 2 hours to see Batman"

  • July 3, 2011, 8:04 a.m. CST

    What did you want, industrykiller?

    by Mugato5150

    A Rocky style training montage with 80's music and a superimposed calendar counting off the months? As for Anne's boobs, they're not THAT big. I'd say they're healthy C cups but it's not like she's Christina Hendricks. Which is good since that's not conducive to running around and fighting.

  • July 3, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST

    For everyone saying Hathaway can't act...

    by sambafreak13

    ...did you see her in Rachel Getting Married or Brokeback Mountain? (I believe she was nominated for an Oscar for the former) I'm not saying she's the greatest actress of our time, but she's clearly talented. I have a lot of faith in this choice.

  • July 3, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST

    ..also, her look should matter a LITTLE, right?

    by sambafreak13

    unlike with the Joker, where the only real physical requirement for the actor playing him was that he be on the skinny side, Nolan and his team needed to find someone who can act AND is gorgeous (and sexy, etc...). Judi Dench is an amazing actress but probably isn't the best choice for this role. I am curious who people think is a better combination of hotness and acting chops than Hathaway. IMO she is perfect...whom do other people like for this role?

  • July 3, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    miyamoto_musashi

    by AsimovLives

    Indeed. I mean, there already are people who complains that in BATMAN BEGINS the mvoie doesn't go directly from Bruce Wayne's parents being murdered to him donning the cape. And then we get people who complain that there was not enough oring material? Well, i have to admit, that's an original complain about the movie.

  • July 3, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins & TDK

    by grendel69

    I watched them back to back awhile ago and was very happy with both. Batman Begins has a slightly weak finale w/ Ra's, but other than that, Im not sure what people are complaining about. Its a pretty great Batman film. TDK is freaking shakespearean in tragedy. I agree it gets derailed a bit w/ the honk kong subplot but its short and is used to enhance part of the Jokers theme of not being motivated by money. Ledger (who I supported from the start) ruled every scene he was in, and someone was actually complaining about the TwoFace scenes? The scene with Oldman out of desperation, taking blame for something that wasnt his fault, with TwoFace holding his family hostage = fucking amazing. Personally, I love both movies. BTW, I think Liam will be used in a flashback.

  • July 3, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST

    sambafreak13

    by AsimovLives

    To tell you the truth, i was hoping that Team Nolan would hire Emily Blunt for the role of Catwoman, as she was Nolan's first choice to play Rachael Dawes in BATMAN BEGINS (but the studio vetoed). Blunt only became a recognizable name after THE DARK KNIGHT. I was hoping that Nolan would give her a role in his latest Batman movie that he had not been able to before. But all things considered, i'm very happy with Hathaway. I trust that Team Nolan know what they are doing. So far they haven't disapointed, quite the contrary.

  • July 3, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Catwoman in a movie cannot be like she is inthe comics.

    by AsimovLives

    In the comics, or even a cartoon, they can make her have a hugh pair of tits and an enourmous ass and still present her as agile and have fight-prowness. However, in a live action movie, reality intervenes. For example, see how much weight Scarlett Jonahson lost just so she could convincigly look she could dress a catsuit and do a fight scene (and evne then she had to have assistance of wires and stunt doubles). This is nothing to do with the atlecticism of an actress, but because BIG TITS and a BIG ARSE are really not very helpful for stunt work, no matter how much assistence form stunts and technology the actress will get. and then there's the catwoman suit, which will always be a nightmare to dress up and down, no matter how slight and thin an actress is. It will be difficult for an elegant and thin-framed guirl like Hathaway, it would be impossible for a girl like Johansson unless she would starve to death.

  • July 3, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    And in continuation of Hathaway's praise

    by AsimovLives

    There is absolutly nothing wrong with Hathaway's tits, you fools. They are great. don't believe my work, you can check them in BROKENBACK MOUNTAIN, where she does a topless sex scene. Yeah!

  • July 3, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Also.. I could give a shit about Star Wars anymore....

    by grendel69

    But damn, that Luke Vader Bespin Diorama ad on the top of the page is cool.

  • July 3, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Judi Dench probably isn't the best choice for this role

    by Mugato5150

    Speak for yourself. FAPFAPFAP Who would be better? Angelina Jolie circa 1996. Very good actress, perfect body and this was before she was typecast in movies like Tomb Raider. Unfortunately, there's a problem with the starter in my DeLorean so I can't bring her up here. Nowadays? Offhand, I dunno. The only problem with Anne would be if there's to be a fight scene between her and Bats. The Catwoman/ Batman fight in Returns was believable because well, Keaton's Batman was kind of a pussy. But Anne would have to fight a ninja. Michelle Yeoh is too old and Asian. So I don't know. All I know is that Nolan knows what he's doing. I trust him until he gives me reason not to. Shit, even Spielberg hasn't gone this long without making a crappy movie.

  • July 3, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Judy DEnch was quite a dish when she was younger.

    by AsimovLives

    She's quite a good looking grandma still. James Bond would do her in an heartbeat if she wasn't his no-nonsense boss.

  • July 3, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    even Spielberg hasn't gone this long without making a crappy movie

    by AsimovLives

    God how i hated CRYSTAL SKULLFUCK!!

  • July 3, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    dammit, i forgot the no commas bullshit!!!

    by AsimovLives

    Really, what the hell is this thing about the inverted commas, anyway?

  • July 3, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Catwoman, despite what many think, is a valuable character.

    by cotygeek

    If you've been keeping up with comics at all in the past ten years then you see how writers like Darwyn Cooke, Jeph Loeb (however bad his writing is now, Hush was still awesome), and a lot of others have pushed her away from the eye-candy stereotype and actually made her into a proper foil for Batman. She's become more than just a kleptomaniac, but a layered character who represents everything Bruce wants and at the end of the day can't have. Also, the prostitute angle was written out of continuity years ago. For whatever reason Frank Miller has to have every woman in his books be a hooker.

  • July 3, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Is that the Penguin running around with the umbrella?

    by krabklaw

    Didnt know he was in this. I guess ol' Chris Nolan was trying to kep it for a sirprise. Cat's out of the bag now (pun intended)

  • July 3, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    karl hungus

    by malificus

    You have encapsulated literally thousands of contentious posts and opinion with this razor-edge breakdown of those two movies. I agree completely. You sir, are the Lord of Succinct.

  • July 3, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Hathaway is gorgeous

    by elsewhere

    In the silly, nerdy, girl next door type of way. Bet she's kinky as fuck too. I think she's perfect for Catwoman. I just hope it doesn't come across as too gimmicky.

  • July 3, 2011, noon CST

    Amateur Camera Bullshit

    by THX1968

    Every damn "spy" film I see from a set, the operator has palsy. It isn't that difficult to keep a camera steady.

  • July 3, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    I like both films.

    by catlettuce4

    Both have flaws, but are still quite good, especially TDK. Neither is a particularly good BATMAN film, however. I'm curious to see the third, but more anxious to see what we get once Nolan is done making Batman movies. Maybe something less ho-hum real-world and truer to the slightly fantastic comics and cartoon universes.

  • July 3, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Catwoman

    by catlettuce4

    Who knows what Nolan is doing with the character... he will undoubtedly have his own unique take just like he has had with the other characters. Hathaway cannot really be judged by existing versions. It might suck, but it probably won't be because she isn't fitting the role written for her.

  • July 3, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Don't get the dislike for Begins/DK and Hathaway

    by Andrew Coleman

    It seems those who don't like or hate Begins or Dark Knight have to make up reasons for doing so. Both films are frankly amazing. Especially being made in this time period where studios want films to be filled with pop culture and horrible attempts at humor(Transformers films). Those who complain that scenes not involving the Joker in TDK are 12 year olds, simple as that. I get not thinking Hathaway isn't right for the part. Everyone can have different opinions. I don't get the hate for her though. Some of you guys are coming off as really bitter that you'll never sleep with this woman or something. She is obviously a talented actress... Basically watch any movie she's in. Also she is overwhelmingly charming and sweet it seems. Personally I'm not worried about Catwoman. I think many of you believe she'll be a main villain. Another poster stated this and I think he's on to something, I think Catwoman will essentially be "The Dark Knight" in this film and won't really come together until the end when Batman is probably fucked and about to be killed by TLOS and Bane. I like the idea of the League of Shadows returning and having Bane lead the way. I think this works don't get why people are so worried. I mean BB had Ra's leading the Shadows with Scarecrow with them. Here Talia can control things from the shadows while Bane wrecks Gotham. I think it works.

  • And Catwoman is a VERY important character in Batman's life. She is one of the few who can actually get through to him. Anyone who claims she's unimportant is either a contrarion or simply doesn't know what they're talking about. Such comments are laughable to anyone who knows anything about the character.

  • In 1989...

  • I suport everything you said in you coment in your latest post. One doesn't need to be a big Batman fanboy to know the importance of Catwoman in Batman's legend. And that Nolan decided to go with a talent actress (who, mind you, is also a very accomplished comedian), sugest that Nolan is taking the Catwoman thing quite seriously. Nolan is not Michael Bayasshole who just hired the actress with the biggest tits or the big ass or that he can make look "sexy" in his usual crack-whore type he so loves and just shove her in the movie and it will do. Nah, Nolan actually takes making movies as a serious business. Hathaway and Cotillard in the same movie? Such riches of good things!

  • July 3, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    catlettuce4

    by AsimovLives

    "Neither (Batman bBegions and The Dark Knight) is a particularly good BATMAN film, however" Bullshit!! Neither are the exact Batman movies you had inside your headnand which you would wanted to have beenmade and put onscreen. Yes, that's correct. But that doens't mena they are not good Batman movies. No, they are fantastic Batman movies. And they are fantastic mvies in their own right. And all this talk of the supposed flaws of Batman Begins and The dark knight, i have to ask, how does two moves compared with Abrams Trek, which is, according to the AICN dogma, the great perfect movie? Who's going to tell me, who has the balls to go and make a fool of himself and claim that Abrams Trek is a better movie then either Batman Begins or The Dark Knight? I mean, really, it so pisses me off. The AICN nerd-boys praise the shit out of Abrams Trek, a stupid shittyy bullshit movie which is the epythome of flawed (to put it mildly). But with regards to Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and also Inception, suddently, out of the blue, they became demanding costumers and see all this INVISIBLE flaws in them. Who the fuck understands this shit? Batman Begins and The Dark Knigth flawed my ass!! This movies are as good as they come, in regard not only to comemrcial blockbuster filmmaking, but as filmmaking in general. That's how it is.

  • July 3, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    azultool, that was hysterical!

    by AsimovLives

  • I'm really not a fan of this ttle, regardless of how well it fits in with the story the movie will tell. I just wish they had chosen differently. As THE DARK KNIGHT was such a departure and so different from the title BATMAN BEGINS, i would dig that the 3rd movie had a similiar distictive and different title.

  • July 3, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Nolan's batflicks ARE great Batman movies

    by Mattman

    They are exactly what I, as a Batman fanboy, had been hoping for all along: a serious take on the character I know from the comic books, not some stunted psychopath who murders henchmen with a smile, and can't even be bothered to go to the gym. Nolan is the first live action director to get the spirit of the character right. Bale IS the Batman of the comics. Not only is he the first actor who actually LOOKS like Bruce Wayne, but he nailed the playboy facade.

  • July 3, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Asi

    by Mattman

    Thanks. There are a lot of people here just talking out of their ass. As someone who knows every facet of these characters, it's quite amusing. And, as you said, even someone who doesn't know the Bat mythos all that well should still recognize the importance of Catwoman. There is no gray area here; she is one of the most important people in his life. For those who don't want to read decades of comics, pick up Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Hush, and possibly Heart of Hush (that one isn't as masterful as the first three I mentioned, but it further emphasizes the love story/bond between Selina and Bruce).

  • July 3, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Footage wasn't worth my time

    by Bent

    I should've known better. I would rather have a photo of Hathaway in the suit than this. Do fans really crave any type of footage or scene. This is boring. If your'e going to announce a spoiler, please make it a good one!

  • July 3, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    mattman, if I can politely disagree with you to a degree

    by Continentalop

    Nolan is the first live action director to get the spirit of the character right.

  • July 3, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    FUCK SAKE

    by Continentalop

    This site sucks. I wrote a thoughtful and polite response to mattman and it only prints one fucking line?

  • July 3, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    As I was saying

    by Continentalop

    "Nolan is the first live action director to get the spirit of the character right." <p> But WHAT Batman are we talking about, because I can see fans of Batman from different eras finding this vision to be unfaithful to the source material. While maybe it fits with the Batman from THE LONG HALLOWEEN and DARK VICTORY, I would say it isn't the Batman from Miller's YEAR ONE, or Englehart's and O'neil's Bronze Age stories, or my personal favorite, Bob Kane and Bill Finger's early Golden Age stories where Bats was very much like a pulp era hero like the Shadow or the Spider. <P> So I can understand why certain fans find the current Batman film lacking and disappointments. And it is pointless to get upset at them because as Goddard said, "you take out of a film what you bring in," so you can't ask them not to go in with their own opinions on how the character acts.

  • July 3, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    continentalop, that was a very interesting post. Thank you.

    by AsimovLives

  • July 3, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    As much as i am a fan of the Nolan's Batman mlovies, which is quite very evident, still i have to say i do envy you. I envy you because you are a fan of the character and then you get to see the best filmic depiction of the character in a way you feel it has finally been made justice. My take on the Nolan's movies is mostly as a cinephile/movie geek first, then as somebody who likes Batman. I know about Batman as far i can remember. But i was never an avid reader of the comics. So, while i dig the character and i'm quite aware of the general story and themes and vilalins and background information about Batman, i'm not -in-the-know as an hardcore fan, if you get my drift. But i have fallen inlove with the Nolan's Batman movies ever since i first saw the opening of Batman Begins. When that heart-beat type music was first heard during the Warner Brothers logo and segued to a flock of bats forming the batman logo, i was immediatly hooked. That music is, forme, the distilled essense of what must be going inside Bruce Wayne. It's the theme of pure determination. From those first seconds, i was in. The rest was just the icing on the cake. When a director mannages to go to the very core of a character with just a music rhytm and a couple of oblique images which work as a strange title sequence, you know this guy gets it. He gets it. We don't need some weird stupid fidelity to mundane details which are completly inconsequential to the sotry and characters (the mistake that Abrams Trek did), Nolan went to the soul of the matter, the soul of the character. When i finished watching Batman Begins, i felt that, for the first time, i truly understood Batman. When i finished watching The Dark Knight, i felt like i had seen the return of an old friend. You know what i mean?

  • THE Batman.

  • July 3, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Bale's Bruce Wayne is too sane, ordinary and well, normal

    by Mugato5150

    He's a straight laced cop without a badge who just happens to dress as a bat to scare criminals. He's pragmatic, boring. bland. At least Keaton conveyed a sense of being somewhat unhinged. He would have fit in a lot better as a foil to the Joker in TDK.

  • July 3, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    by severianx1

    However they decide to present Catwoman in this film, I hope they don't have her wearing those ridiculous goggles. They look like shit and they make no sense as part of a costume.

  • July 3, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    mugato5150 - Keaton's Wayne

    by severianx1

    You have got to be kidding. Keaton was fine once he got in the batsuit, but his Bruce Wayne sucked ass. He did not have the millionaire playboy thing down at all. He seemed more like Clark Kent than Bruce Wayne. Although I'm not sure if that was his fault, or some flaw in the writing or directing.

  • July 3, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    mugato5150

    by AsimovLives

    Batman started as a pretty normal guy with a quirk: to bring down crime by scaring the bejesus out of the criminals as a demon-looking giant bat who caught them in red-handed the act, scared and beat the shit out of them and left them for the cops and courts to deal with them. The Batman as a deranged fuck who's as crazy as the criminals he persues is a recent invention. Nolan's Batman movies go back to formula, to the way Batman was presented when he first showed up. Exclusing the use of weapons. The first apperences of Batman in the comics showed him shooting criminals with an handgun.

  • July 3, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    severianx1

    by AsimovLives

    I think the goggles is an atempt to give her a cat-like eyes to her head. And googles can be rationalized in her costume, as googles are a good eye protection and many of them don't hamper vision too much.

  • July 3, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one tired of Assimov publicly felating Nolan

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    on an hourly basis? We get it, you greatly desire to suck his cock. Dude, get a room.

  • July 3, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST

    @asimovlives

    by sunwukong86

    Batman's modern image was a result of the damage the Adam West show did to the comic. This goes all the way back to the 1970s. So its not exactly recent

  • July 3, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST

    I just hope it's not as shit as the last one.

    by Volllllume3

    That was a real stinker. Nolan = hack

  • At least i reserve my praising for proper talented directors. Unlike you.

  • July 3, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    sunwukong86

    by AsimovLives

    You got a point there.

  • July 3, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    volllllume3

    by AsimovLives

    Smart-ass contrarian. I hope you had fun.

  • July 3, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    at least you reserve your cock smoking, you mean, right Assimov?

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

  • Of course w/ Watts, since she's over forty now probably would have been wishful thinking. But still, if I had my way. Charize would have been a better choice for me. Haffaway just isn't sexy enough for my taste.

  • July 3, 2011, 7:12 p.m. CST

    I love Batman regardless of the deets.

    by Aaron

    These differing opinions all across the board on who and what Batman is go to show how great a character he is. I personally like every version of Batman there is, in print and in cartoon and in celluloid. From Bob Kane to Kevin Conroy to George Clooney to Grant Morrison, there is not a Batman I won't read or watch. I have to admit that I enjoy the more OTT interpretations of Batsy. My favorite movie is, by far, the Adam West film, and I can watch Batman & Robin any time for a good laugh. I may not be the biggest fan of the Nolanverse, but I do respect it and acknowledge its contributions to the Batmythos at large. I just hope to see a good physical confrontation in this movie. People obsess so much over the detective aspects, which is understandable, but let us see Wayne really have to use his fighting skills. Put him in a room with a hundred fucking ninjas and let him loose. Or, as I hope they do in this movie, put him up against a guy who he cannot just bop on the head and take out. Bane should be an intelligent monster, a machine that will not stop, much like Batman himself, but twisted and evil. I have lost my train of thought. I am going to see TF3 in IMAX 3D, so wish me luck. My girlfriend is paying for it, so at least I can say that I did not technically pay to see it. Just wanted to show some love for Batman. I hope they take it a little further with the comic book aspects, but whatever. I will watch it and own it because I love Batman. Peace.

  • July 3, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST

    The only perfect Nolan film is Memento

    by sunwukong86

    Insomnia is pretty good too.

  • July 3, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST

    I'm a little late to this...

    by ComSamVimes

    But didn't Alfred say that he had Bruce declared dead because he was missing for 7 years? I guess I don't know what the argument about how long he was training for is all about. Maybe he wasn't training for all that time, but he was gone for a while. It's likely that I don't know what I'm talking about ;)

  • July 3, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Anne Hathaway in latex?

    by empty_headed_animal

    Meeooww!

  • July 3, 2011, 11:49 p.m. CST

    The "cat-like" goggles

    by severianx1

    Ok, I can see where that may have been the intent, but they don't really look cat-like to me at all. They look more insectoid, or even worse, kind of industrial, like something a welder would wear. She's Catwoman, not Welderwoman, dammit.

  • July 4, 2011, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Physical confrontation

    by severianx1

    zurenarrh, I'm totally with you on the physical confrontation thing. I really want to see Batman the martial artist really put to the test. That's something that's been missing from all of the various film adaptations so far. The only thing that's come close was when he had to take out the entire SWAT team to save those hostages in the last movie. That scene was pure awesomeness and my favorite part of the movie, but even that wasn't all it could be because he had to hold back for obvious reasons. I want to see him up against someone who taxes him to the very limits of his fighting skills. I'm guessing that's the role Bane is going to play in the next installment, and I can hardly wait.

  • July 4, 2011, 1:10 a.m. CST

    If they end up using goggles

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    it will look cool, don't worry guys lol

  • Year One's Batman very much resembles the Batman in Batman Begins. The slightly more advanced Batman in Long Halloween, who is coming into his own, is the same one we see in The Dark Knight. Nolan's Batman is the Batman of the last 30 years (and most early incarnations of the character, before he was rendered goofy in an attempt to boost sales).

  • July 4, 2011, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Asimov

    by Mattman

    Yeah, I am infinitely grateful to Nolan for finally giving Batman his due. I adore both movies, and I love that The Dark Knight is not so much a sequel as it is a followup with a completely new story, and a more evolved version of the character. To be fair, all live action Batmans have resembled SOME incarnation of the character. Shumacher's Batman resembles the ridiculous comedic version, which was a result of poor comic book sales, and not at all true to the roots of the character. This is not Batman. It was a joke, and it thankfully was rejected in time. Burton's Batman vaguely (and I stress vaguely) resembles the very first incarnation of Bats, which had him killing people. Burton's first film is still a winner, imo, but it is like an elseworld's tale, with a sadistic, stunted version of the character who, in the biggest blunder of all, is able to achieve absolution in the end by killing the Joker, who has killed his parents.

  • July 4, 2011, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Batman is either dead or retired at the end of the new one

    by Nabster

    Remember wb is pissed at Nolan, because he is ending the trilogy definitively. He has final cut, it's in his contract. They're very nervous about Nolans plans.

  • July 4, 2011, 3:56 a.m. CST

    THE GOGGLES! THEY DO NOTHING!!!!

    by F-18

  • July 4, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    JGL can play the Joker

    by frakthetoasters

    I know it's blasphemous to Heath Ledger-Joker purists but if there ever will be a Batman movie where the Dark Knight faces off his most ruthless foe, Joseph Gordon Levitt is the actor to play the Clown Prince.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST

    mattman

    by Continentalop

    THE LONG HALLOWEEN is a continuation of the STORY from BATMAN: YEAR ONE, but I think you could argue it is a big change in tone. I mean that and DARK VICTORY are about the coming of the Freaks, which is a huge jump away from Miller's ultra-gritty Year One. It's like saying Roger Craig is the same Bond as played by Sean Connery, Roger Moore or Pierce Brosnan. Same character with many similarities, yes, but each one had a much different tone and I can understand why people argue over which style of Bond they prefer (I prefer the books).

  • July 4, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Plant...

    by ZoeFan

    This is leaked by permission. It's July 4 and the video was posted on June 27. Christopher Nolan runs the tightest ship around. For example, extras can't bring their cells on set. They are confiscated at the gate

  • July 4, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Bruce Timm's Animated is still the most accurate portrayal

    by sunwukong86

    They got everything right in that series.

  • July 4, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Pussy, behave.

    by AsimovLives

  • July 4, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Roger Craig? You mean Daniel Craig?

    by AsimovLives

    To the best of my knowldge, Roger Craig was an american (pseudo-)football player (it'sd so hard for me to call football to that game that's played in the USA, the name makes absolutly no sense whatsoever). Daniel Craig is an english actor who has played James Blond twice onscreen. Roger Craig: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roger_Craig_at_Super_Bowl_43.jpg

  • July 4, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    continentalop

    by Mattman

    You make an excellent point with the Bond analogy, and you're absolutely right about the shift in tone. The Batman character in Long Halloween, however, seems a natural evolution from the one we see in Year One. He is just a lot younger and far more inexperienced in Year One. Both are prime influences for each of Nolan's films, and they represent various sides of the Batman that has been solidified in the comics over the past 30 or so years. There are quite a few direct nods to Year One in Batman Begins, such as Bruce dressing up in a very crude early version of his outfit, looking more like a criminal than a hero, and nearly getting himself killed. Mask of the Phantasm had a nice nod to that scene as well.

  • July 4, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Liam Neeson will only say two words: "Break him."

    by Jesiah

    Bane will take those words to heart and try to prove (albeit posthumously) to his father figure that he should have inherited the League of Shadows. I think I will like this movie better than begins and inception, but the jury's out on how it will compare to The Dark Knight in my eyes. Can't wait for December, I hope they have the first few minutes attached to imax presentation of something.

  • July 4, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    sunwukong86, the animated series

    by Mattman

    When I praise Nolan's film, I always make a point to say "Nolan's Batman is the most accurate LIVE ACTION version", because the animated series easily trumps all. They really nailed nearly every single character. The Two Face two-part episode was amazing. Even my parents got hooked on that show.

  • The attitude that british have toward comics is pretty similiar to the continental attitude, as carried from the belgian and french comics. As in, in France and in the whole of europe, comics are called THE NINTH ART. It's as prestigious as literature, painting or film. In USA, comics is still seen as a juvenile endevour, even though with all the good will that the graphic novels have brough. But still the stigma is attached to comics, to the point it's not going to end very soon. The very notion of a comic book collector, which in USA would be called a nerd, is not seen in continental Europe. One of the reasons is that it's quite common to see comics in Europe to feature adult theme,s and this goes since the 60's. It's a result of there being no moral guardians and moralistic self-controlling entities within the comic industry in Europe. The benefit of that is that it helped brough prestige and respectability to the european comic,sof which the belgian and french are the vanguard, followed closoly by the also very active and well regard british comic industry. Comics in Europe no longer have the stigma of being associated with just a children or juveline public anymore. In USA,for a comic to be taken serious it has to be called a graphic novel. In Europe, there's no need for that, comics are already prestigious on it's own right. And this is the attitude that the englishman Christopher Nolan brough to Batman. He doesn't have the typical american attitude of comics being merely fantasious. He carreis the European tradition of how to see comics, and as such, it was natural for him to take the character seriously. Instead of the typical attitude toward comics in movies as done by the american directros who made made the previous Batman movies. Even Tim Burton's "darker and edgier" Batman movies are essencially comics in the usual sense of fantasy-type. I do believe this difference in attitudes toward comics is responsible for the way Nolan has made his Batman movies in contrast to how the previous have been made, and how many americans would had prefered to see Batman portaited on film.

  • July 4, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Roger Craig is obviously an accidental Portmanteau

    by Continentalop

    Of Daniel Craig and Roger Moore. Just like Natalie Portmanteau is of, well you know...

  • July 4, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    No, I agree with you Mattman

    by Continentalop

    The guys who did THE LONG HALLOWEEN did their homework and had it feel connected to Miller's YEAR ONE, just like how Roger Stern did a great job of making his Hobgoblin feel connected to Lee, Ditko and Romita's Green Goblin stories. But, once again, different eras so totally different tones. And with a character like Batman, who unlike Sherlock Holmes has nothing canonical, or Spider-Man, who has had a lot more continuity in his comic book run, there is such a wide range of styles and tones between the different interpretations of Batman I can see how many Batman fans could find these version an unfaithful adaptation compared to the one they fell in love with (depending on the era).

  • I can understand the enjoyment, for it is a pretty funny show. But as a standard for the character and as a measure to all other interpretations? Madness!!

  • July 4, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    mattman, the cartoon didn't nail one character

    by Continentalop

    The Penguin. But that wasn't Bruce Timm's fault. He actually was planning on having the Penguin look and act much like he did in the Golden Age and have him be a kingpin to the Gotham underworld. However WB wanted him to match Burton and DeVito's version and forced him to make him into a freak. Thanks a fucking lot WBs.

  • July 4, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    continentalop, yeah I see what you're saying

    by Mattman

    I do think there are certain basics you have to get right with Batman, otherwise you totally betray the character. The reason I appreciate Nolan's batflicks is I think he not only nailed the basics, but fully explored them and fleshed them out.

  • July 4, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Roger Craig would be an awesome Bond

    by Mattman

    Unlike Craig he would have the gentlemanly sophistication, and unlike Moore, he'd actually be able to fight.

  • July 4, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Asi

    by Continentalop

    What if someone said "How can you hold Errol Flynn version of Robin Hood as the standard? It is just one dimensional. TO use that standard of the character to measure all other interpretations? Madness!!" Or used Bela Lugosi's Dracula or Peter Cushing's Dr. Frankenstein or Nigel Bruce as Dr. Watson? I think they would have a strong leg to stand on, even if you didn't agree with them. Besides, THAT interpretation of Batman is the most accurate one ever. It WAS the Silver Age Batman, like it or not: http://comicmegastore.com/images/batman-1940-current/batman-comic-137.jpg

  • July 4, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Mattman, Pierce Connery would be better

    by Continentalop

    But fuck, Timothy Lazenby just would never work.

  • July 4, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    And I agree with you Mattman

    by Continentalop

    I think Nolan did nail a lot of things right. Almost everything right (except for a couple of things in both movies IMO). But, once again, you then get into a question of tone and personal preferences for the type of Batman you like. I prefer TDK way more than BB because it is much more like the Batman stories of the early Golden Age and the Bronze Age (like "The Joker's Five Part Revenge" and "Case of the Laughing Fish)", being mostly just a pulp-like crime story, while Batman Begins is much more super-heroic and fantastic for my taste with secret societies and microwave cannons and giant monorails. But if you wanted a Batman who is more superhero than he is pulp hero than I can how you might prefer it. In short, there never be a "perfect" Batman because the character has been through so many interpretations and everyone has their own preference. But I give credit to Nolan for at least making a Batman most people can enjoy... Now if he would just 86 Goyer (who I blame for most of the problems I had in BB).

  • I wonder if we'll ever see the REAL Penguin onscreen. I hope we do, for your sake at least!

  • July 4, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Conti! Dude what's up! Long time no see you here

    by orcus

  • July 4, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Hey Orcus!

    by Continentalop

    Happy 4th my man. Without Twitch I barely see any of the old faces...er, handles.

  • July 4, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Asi, the Penguin is the Dr. Octopus of Batman's Rogue Gallery

    by Continentalop

    Before SM2 came out, everyone laughed at Doc Oct and called him a lame villain. They wanted Venom or one of his "hipper" foes, because by then he had become something of a joke in the comic books. Of course, Alfred Molina and Raimi reminded everyone how great a villain he was, and why he is one of Spidey's arch-enemies and most dangerous foes. I see the Penguin in a similar boat, someone who has fallen from grace and whom modern comic book fans and the public view as a joke because they can't get certain versions out of their mind, instead of looking back at how awesome he was in the past. I was hoping Nolan would make 2012 the Year of the Penguin, but instead he decided to go with the "hipper" villain in Bane (and I hope that doesn't turn out as bad as it did for Raimi in SM3).

  • July 4, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Yeh, Orcus has been doing some time travelling lately

    by orcus

    Showing the newbs on how it done and such. On a side note, Orcus is reconciling folks on facebook into groups, but is having a bit of a time reconciling AICN / CoC nyms with Facebook Nyms. Before Orcus goes nucking futs, has Orcus friended you on fb?

  • July 4, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    IMHO there hasnt been an accurate film portrayal

    by sunwukong86

    Every adaptation has been missing elements of the character.

  • July 4, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    No you haven't orcus

    by Continentalop

    I closed by Conti Nenta Op FB account. But if you're interested, I'm friends with Xi & D. Vader, so you can track me down that way.

  • July 4, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Well that explains things

    by orcus

    Orcus was scratching his pointy eared head over that one. Well that mystery is solved at least :)

  • July 4, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Orcus, you should check out

    by Continentalop

    Werewolves on the Moon. It is where all of us CoCers congregate nowadays.

  • July 4, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    I actually am not much of a fan of Errol Flynn and for me his version of Robin Hood is not among my favorites. As somebody who actually read the book DRACULA, Bela Logusi's version od the good count, however iconic it is, is hardly very close and in tandem to what Bram Stoker created. Dilver version of Batman, yes. Which for me, was pretty weak sauce. The Batman that had to kiss ass to the moral guardians of the time. I ratehr prefer the the Batman of when it started out, and that so many artists of today, and Nolan as well, have gone to formula and hark back to the spirit of Batman as created. Though i have to add, i'm not much of a fan of how some artists have tried to make Batman into a psycho loony. That's good for a Marshall Law parody, but it's fucked up for a official treatment of the character, and also, kinda loses the point of the character itself.

  • July 4, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    continentalop, don't dispair about the lack of The Pinguin

    by AsimovLives

    Nolan always claims that the Batman movie he's making is his last. Then he makes another one. He has been saying the same since Batman Begins. So who knows? Maybe he might return for a 4th movie, regardless of how final he claims the 3rd movie is. Remember, he also said that he had no diea how to make a 3rd Batman movie because he had gone for broke with THE DARK KNIGHT, he had put everything he wanted to do withth character in the second movie. And lo and behold,he's making a 3rd Batman movie. Hell, Nolan evne said, after BATMAN BEGINS had been released, that he had no idea how to follow up that movie, and that the refrence to The joker in the final scene was both an in-joke to the fans and also an atempt to facilitate the job for the next guy who was going to make the sequel, which he believed was not going to be him. So, really, when Nolan tells that this next Batman movie is his last, i take it with a bit of a grain of salt, if you know my meaning. Also, Nolan has had shown before a desire to put The Pinguin in one of his Batman movies, in a portait which i think you would aprove. The Pinguin nearly got to be one of the villains in THE DARK KNIGHT, but was writen out because it was already a story too populated.

  • I fell to the floor laughing then i first heard of that shit.

  • July 4, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    I love you, Anne Hathaway.

    by HalJordan2814

    You can be my Catwoman any time. Those yummy eyes and lips....

  • July 4, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Yeah!

    by AsimovLives

  • July 4, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Asi, werewolves on the moon

    by Mattman

    I'm actually sad that movie was scrapped, because it sounded like it was going to be one of the most unintentionally hilarious movies ever made. Wish I could have been a fly on the wall as Harlin pitched that idea to the studio.

  • July 4, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Wait, what's the spoiler?

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    We already knew that Anne Hathaway was in the movie as Selina Kyle. And that Bruce Wayne is in the movie. And that at some point they probably meet. What's the spoiler?

  • http://www.herotomorrow.com

  • July 4, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Batman TAS

    by centilope

    It's a masterpiece. They should restore it on Blu Ray. The people who worked on it are geniuses, nothing tops this classic even 20 years later. I've watched the show for the first time since since childhood last week and it still holds up. I love the DVD commentary by Timm and Radomsky, they likeseem pretty cool guys, they should do the Batman reboot. Why they didn't get a chance already is beyond me.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Bruce and Selina sitting in a tree...

    by centilope

  • July 4, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    "Wish I could have been a fly on the wall as Harlin pitched that idea to the studio." And then imagine their suprise when they learned that flies can laught. That pitch must had been quite something. The ideas was so dumb, even studio executives thought it was too dumb to put to practice. It says a lot when a filmmaker can out-dumb a studio executive.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Anne Hathaway does anal

    by centilope

    She wants that Oscar badly.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Arkham City game

    by centilope

    I hope Catwoman will look similar to her CGI counterpart in the game.

  • July 4, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Any news on the Catwoman picture reveal?

    by centilope

  • Go back, I wish I did

  • July 4, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    orcus, i said MARSHALL LAW. I love that comic.

    by AsimovLives

  • July 4, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Catwoman picture... any day now...

    by Mattman

  • July 4, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Lets try this again...

    by orcus

    Conti, Orcus has dropped by WotM every once in a while. Orcus does not post, but you do have some good articles. Ocus does like the Wrath of Khan write up. Asi, Orcus remembers Marshall Law coming out in the 80's and Orcus first thought it was a Judge Dredd send up. Then Orcus got a good look at the Rogues gallery. Two things stick with Orcus to this very day, one was a gang called the Neighbor Hoods and the second was some poor bastard of a corpse with a sign tacked on him that stated: Go Back, I wish I did. Oddly enough, that comic came out roughly around the time (Maybe within 3 years??) where Hillary Clinton and Tipper Gore started pushing their version of Orwell's Newspeak aka Political Correctness

  • July 4, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Orcus still has his old copies of Marshall Law.

    by orcus

    It tried to make a comeback, but it didn't quite take hold. Asi, Orcus is glad to have found another fan of that balls to the walls comic

  • July 4, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    orcus

    by AsimovLives

    I'm happy to have found another fan of MASHALL LAW as well. I love that comic. It made me laught like hell. I love it's iconoclastic punk ass attitude. Which, of course, it would, given it was created by the same people who created NEMESIS THE WARLOCK, another comic i love as well.

  • July 4, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    Considering that Nolan's Batman 3 will only come one year from now, it's just a matter of having pacience. It's still too early. Remember how long it took for the first pics of The Joker to show up?

  • July 4, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Yep, Marshall Law is an aquired taste.

    by orcus

    A more recent comic called The Pro has strands of Marshall Laws DNA all over it. It's basically about a prostitute that gains super powers. It's odd that you mention Nemesis. In the US, Nemesis is being issued as a compendium now

  • July 4, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    orcus

    by AsimovLives

    "In the US, Nemesis is being issued as a compendium now" Cool! I love NEMESIS, though i'm particular to the first 4 books.

  • July 4, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    that illustration

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    is putrid

  • July 4, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by Mattman

    Jett at Batman on Film said it's actually coming very soon... that guy rarely seems to be wrong...

  • When Orcus last checked from his comic monger there was: Judge Dredd Slaine Strontium Dog Nemesis the Warlock There was one other but the title escapes Orcus. Titan books was one of the distributors. In the US, the compendiums look like the following: http://www.list.co.uk/article/16264-john-wagner-alan-grant-and-various-judge-dredd-the-complete-case-files-12/ http://www.list.co.uk/article/12601-judge-dredd-the-complete-case-files-10/ Orcus hopes this helps as a starting point for your quest

  • July 4, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Asi, how are you doing the quotes??

    by orcus

    This site changes the rules every other day. GRRR!

  • July 4, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST

    My ONLY gripe with the Batman of these two movies

    by sambafreak13

    is I don't feel you get a strong enough sense of just how brilliant Bruce Wayne/Batman is supposed to be. Yes, he has his gadgets but his ultimate "superpower" is his unsurpassed intellect...it would have been cool for us to see more of that. Yes, he had his bullet/fingerprint reconstruction scene in TDK so I'm probably nit-picking, but I feel like this portrayal is like 40% badass ninja, 40% gadgets, and 20% brain. I'd like to see a bit more of Batman the Detective.

  • ...skinny white horses with tits. In other words, she's the very definition of average. Which perfectly matches her acting. We've (talkbackers) had this discussion in one talkback or another about 100 times already. I do not think Hathaway is ugly - I know well enough when I see an ugly human being. But to my eyes (and many others) she doesn't even approach hot, or beautiful, or sexy, or whatever word you want to use. She's just average.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I want to see more of Bruce Wayne the psycho

    by Mugato5150

    Maybe not psycho but at least a little unhinged. As it is now, he's as sober and straight laced as Gordon. He just happens to dress as a bat to scare criminals. But he's not disturbed or even angry. We all know Bale can play disturbed and angry in film and real life. Why not in the films? That ship may have sailed by now. But yeah, I'd like to see more of his scientist/detective side too. The thing with piecing together the bullet was entirely too far fetched. It made CSI look like a documentary. But at least they took a stab at it. Of course, the bottom line is that it's a lot easier to write for a ninja with toys than it is to write for a detective or scientist.

  • ...made it clear that he has access to some very intelligent and wise partners/mentors.

  • July 4, 2011, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Jaka, no doubt...

    by sambafreak13

    ...I've just always responded to the fact the character has no real super powers apart from his ridiculous intelligence and incredible drive and determination to fight evil...I think they have covered this drive very well, along with his intense physical training (to the point where he is basically supposed to be the perfect physical specimen) but his intellect and problem solving just get a little bit overlooked, IMO. Again, a very minor gripe...love the movies and love the character...really can't complain.

  • July 4, 2011, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins is one of the best origin films ever.

    by Mojo-Wan

    That specific criticism is as off base as I've ever heard here. More than any other origin of Batman I've seen, it establishes Bruce Wayne as a completely desperate man, so lost in grief he has nothing to lose. No radioactive spider or ten minutes on a crystal planet, and I still fully understood why in this world, this man with all the means at his disposal felt helpless in dealing with the death of his parents. I know how trendy some of you think it is to hate everything. But in my eyes, trying to claim Batman Begins is a terrible origin film just ups your geek douchebag quotient. No offense. And how did you arrive at "two weeks of ninja training" out of "You've been gone for seven years"?

  • July 5, 2011, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Hataway is good but she may be too much of a girly girl

    by chien_sale

  • is all.

  • July 5, 2011, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Fuck off Goatfucker

    by Lost Jarv

    Harlin's WotM would have been fucking genius. You are not mentally equipped to enjoy films like that. Anyway, us Changians have gone better and it's now ASTRODYKES v Werewolves on the Moon. Because Lesbians make almost everything better. Almost, because nothing can redeem a conversation about B-grade cinema with you, not even Lesbianage.

  • July 5, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    by AbyssofChaos

    Super cool! Excited for this movie!

  • July 5, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    orcus

    by AsimovLives

    I realised that one can't start and finish a sentense with quotes on the titles. So, i devise this trick: ---" <insert sentense> "--- Seems to work a treat.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    ---" test "---

    by AsimovLives

  • July 5, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    sambafreak13

    by AsimovLives

    Part ofm the way the Nolan mvloies show's Batman brains is to show how he is being able to bring down the Gotham mafias with the help of Gordon. In the Nolan's movie,s Batman goal is not to go after pickpocketers or individual criminals but to go after the big crime and terminate once and for all their grip on the city. His goals are bigger. He starts to focus only on one person, the joker, when he becames such a liability and a danger by himself alone that surpasses the mafia in how dangerous he is to Gotham. The Batman in the Nolan's movies has far bigger and over-reachign goals. He's one of the most social conscious version of Batman ever created.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    mugato5150

    by AsimovLives

    I believe the point of Batman is that he wouldn't be unhinged. He's the rock that helps gotham not sunk into the muds of despair. If Batman becames unhinged,then what's the point of the character? Another psycho clown fucking around? In the Nolan's movies, the darkness in Bruce Wayne/Batman helps him understand the criminals he fights, because he himself nearly became one when he almost shot Joe Chill. When he run away and lived for years as a petty criminal all around the world, he put his darker edges in the service of his quest to understand the mind of a criminal, which would later be of use as Batman. I'm starting to think that Frank Miller might have brough as much harm as good to Batman. It's good that Batman has dark edges to him. It's bad if those dark edges became him.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    mojo-wan, i fully agree with you.

    by AsimovLives

  • July 5, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    axelfoley

    by AsimovLives

    If the League Of Shadows and Bruce Wayne's ackground had not been covered for as long as it had, then people would complain that there was no real motivation or explanation for why Bruce Wayne became Batman. The movie did what it did for a very good reason, and did it extremely well. no fat in that movie at all. If anything, i could watch a version of Batman Begins which would last one more hour and i wouldn't had any complains at all. Everything in that movie riveting to me. Everything.

  • July 5, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    MARSHALL LAW is fucking awesome.

    by the Green Gargantua

  • July 5, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    GOGGLES and a utilitarian Catwoman is AWESOME

    by the Green Gargantua

  • July 5, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Werewolves on the Moon would be AWESOME

    by the Green Gargantua

  • July 5, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    LESBIANS are AWESOME

    by the Green Gargantua

  • if they had some hot lesbo action in them.

  • Showgirls.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    mattman, I also think Nolan blew it with TDK

    by Continentalop

    When he had a ship full of ballerinas and not one lesbian scene. And people say Nolan knows how to direct...

  • July 5, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    It certainly wouldn't had make the movies any worst, that's for sure.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    And going back to the Batman/Catwoman topic

    by Continentalop

    I wonder if Nolan and co. might have Hathaway's Catwoman be much more like she was in the Golden Age then the more modern version? Many people complain Hathaway is too "girlish" and not physical enough; well, maybe she is less acrobat and more master thief/con-woman like she was in her first two-or-three appearances as "the Cat"?

  • July 5, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Maybe if Nolan finishes his run with his Batman movies...

    by AsimovLives

    ... (which i sdon't actualyl believe will happen with the 3rd movie), when they reboot the franchise again, maybe they will make a Batman version where Wayne becames a woman, Batman is a woman, and then she has lots of hot lesbian sex with Catwoman. I can think of worst scenarios then that.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Anne Hathaway

    by rogueleader66

    Not attractive? If you think that you must be blind....or gay....hell I bet even gay guys think she's hot. Then again, I dont think Angelina Jolie is the be all end all of women that she is proclaimed to be.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Look at this and tell me Anne Hathaway is not hot.

    by rogueleader66

    I dare you. http://tinyurl.com/3olvkfv

  • July 5, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    I hope your comments are not directed at me Rogue

    by Continentalop

    I would never ever throw her out of my bed. Or car, or couch, or bathroom, etc.

  • July 5, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    I tell you without irony (but with a smirk in my face) that SHOWGIRLS is a misunderstood movie. I don't know if it's the puritanical nature of american society, or that americans don't like to see Vas Vegas as anything other then a place of glamour and dreams, or that they only know Verhoeven merely from his american SF action movies. But if you think that Showgirls is a movie that shows only ugly and that all the characters are a bunch of unlikable fuckasses, that's the whole point of the movie. The whole point of SHOWGIRLS is to present the ugly underside of Las Vegas, and what kind of cutthroath world it exists behind the stages, and what kind of shennigans goes on. And all the characters are supposed to be a bunch of unlikable, downright detestable cunt-ass fucks. If you hate them all, when you have the reaction that Verhoeven intended. But Verhoeven is too good to go on pointing fingers and make moralistic accusations. He just shows the ugly. He's quite clinical on what he shows, even if it's all so garish, ugly and violent. You make your own conclusions. Verhoeven just shows, unjudgemental. Also, SHOWGIRLS was a very researched movie, The script was based on thousaids of hours of interviews made with people who work in the backstages of Las Vegas. You could say the whole movie is a fictional account of stories that Verhoeven and Joe Ezterhas collected from their interviews. In that retgard, SHWOGIRLS is pretty close to his dutch movies he made before he went to America. Movies like SPETTERS, which is SHOWGIRLS' spiritual twin. If oen only knows Verhoeven only from his american SF blockbusters like ROBOCOP, TOTAL RECALL or STARSHIP TROOPERS, SHOWGUIRLS might look like the odd movie out. In fact, it's his american SF blockbusters which are his odd movies out in his whole career.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    continentalop

    by Mattman

    Hathaway has said she's been working out a lot for the role, and the costume reportedly resembles the Catwoman of the past decade. As far as Hathaway being girlish... she's an actress, and a damn fine one at that. She'll do what's required for the role. I know most talkbackers avoid Brokeback Mountain like the plague, but I would seriously recommend checking that out for a taste of her true acting skills.

  • Maybe Ivy could drug her or something.

  • It just boggles my mind that anyone could say that about her. Sure I can see someone saying she aint their cup of tea...but ugly? Unattractive?...Awwww hell no!

  • July 5, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Asi, Showgirls

    by Mattman

    While I don't think it's bad because of its seedy portrayal of Las Vegas or anything like that, I just find it hilarious because every scene is so over the top campy and wrong. But it is one of those films that's so bad it's great. I actually enjoy watching it. As someone who frequents Vegas (and enjoys their shows and seedy strip clubs), it's certainly not an inappropriate view of Vegas, but it is very cartoony and exaggerated. I guess that's part of its charm. And on the Verhoeven note, have you seen Black Book? Excellent film.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Mattman

    by Continentalop

    I've seen Brokeback Mountain. And yes she is a good actress. And maybe she is based more on the current, modern version, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Nolan went back to certain aspects of her Golden Age incarnation, especially her first two-or-three appearances (kind of like how Joker in TDK was heavily influenced by his first appearance in Batman #1, with touches of the Killing Joke thrown in). She was very much like Irene Adler in her first appearance, and I could see Nolan doing something similar. I could also see her not donning the Catwoman costume right away, and progress into it, once again like what happened in the Golden Age (going from "the Cat" to "The Cat-Woman" to finally "Catwoman").

  • July 5, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    FUCK I AM HARD!

    by KilliK

    wher is my TDKR trailer with Hathaway's ass in a tight,latex cat-suite? that is all taht matters.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    continentalop, you might be right

    by Mattman

    She will possibly be a combo of all versions, as Nolan tends to use the traits that best support the story he's telling...

  • July 5, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Catwoman

    by Mattman

    Here's 12 minutes of Arkham City Catwoman gameplay footage (prepare to cream your pants): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrhKpjwuClA&feature=player_embedded

  • July 5, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Well I am just guessing mattman

    by Continentalop

    Until we learn more and actual photos/news is released. I've also got a theory that the Batman of Zur-en-arrh and Ace the Bat-hound will show up.

  • July 5, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66, about the Hathaway link.... HOLY MOMMA!!!!

    by AsimovLives

    That's it! If peoçel still think Hathaway is not hot after that video, they are gay. Totally gay. Hot damn!!!

  • July 5, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    Ys, of course i saw BLACK BOOK. Damn good movie. A friend of mine completly feel inlove with Carice Van Houten, and who can blame him? And , of course, she was great in BLACK DEATH. You know, BLACK BOOK is actually, in spirit, a sort of sequel to a documentary that Verhoven one made in the 70s about the nazi occupation in Holland. He interviewed a lot of people who went through the occupation, but he did soemthing different: not only he interviewed the resistent fighters, but he also interviewed the collaborators. And he didn't judge them. He just let them told their stories from their own perspective. The documentary showed both side of holand's society under the occupation. Verhoeven's own family belonged to the 3rd unmentioned part, the ones that made the best of their situation by just living their lives, kept their head low and never stired trouble. In fac,t we could say that Verhoeven made a trilogy about Hoand under the Nazi occupation: that doc, THE SOLDIER OF ORANGE and BLACK BOOK. And never in those mlvies he judges or points fingers. Or go for easy targets and easy take thats. Notice how in BLACK BOOK the smartest people are the german occupants. Hell, the most likable character in the movie is a german! Verhoeven never cut things dry and simple. As for how he presented Las Vegas in SHOWGIRLSA, you migth say the mvoei makes for a cartoon depcition of the place. Others would say otherwise, that it underplays. Speaking of Las Vegas, do you dig FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS, both movie and book?

  • July 5, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Carice Van Houten is gorgeous and talented

    by Mattman

    If Hollywood had any sense, they'd cast her in everything. And yeah, I love Black Book for all the reasons you mentioned. It never lets you off easy. It is uncompromising.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66, about the Hathaway link.... HOLY MOMMA!!!!

    by rogueleader66

    Oh yea...how can any sane straight male look at that and NOT think she is hot? It's not possible I tell you!

  • July 5, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66, indeed!!

    by AsimovLives

    You just made the definitive argument. As they say, one image is worth a thousand words.

  • His reply was: The difference is that Carice is a real actress. That was very harsh, too harsh, but i think i understood what he meant.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Yeah that's harsh and uncalled for

    by Mattman

    Especially considering Stone's amazing turn in Casino.

  • His stories are always solid, but every character in his films only seem to speak in exposition.

  • July 5, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Nolan lacks visual creativeness?

    by Mattman

    I disagree. http://npinopunintended.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/the-dark-knight-the-joker.jpg

  • July 5, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    In fact, check these out

    by Mattman

    http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/movies/screenshots/inception?movieid=16807

  • July 5, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST

    (I borrowed Choppah's chopping powers especially for you)

    by Mattman

  • July 5, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    @rogueleader66 do y have another link wit hteh pic?

    by KilliK

    i get a bandwidth exceed limit error in the link you posted.crap.

  • July 5, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Generic skyscrapers and people in office suits

    by KilliK

    dont exactly cut it as visual creativeness. I wont argue that he is not,he is visually good for this kind of grounded to reality stuff but if we are talking about more demanding,more creative,more imaginative visuals well he is not the guy for the job.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Killik, grounded reality my ass

    by Mattman

    Inception's dream sequences are hardly grounded in reality, Nolan just films them in a realistic way. And they are beautifully composed shots. I'm baffled that anyone could think otherwise. http://cdn.nolanfans.com/images/galleries/inception/full/inception-0551-full.jpg http://cdn.nolanfans.com/images/galleries/inception/full/inception-0480-full.jpg http://cdn.nolanfans.com/images/galleries/inception/full/inception-0922-full.jpg

  • July 5, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    It's not Verhoeven trashing BASIC INSTICT. If you listne to the audio comentar,y you can tel that Verhoevne has affection for it (as he seems to have for all the movies he made). No, i uspect the reason for his harsh coments has more to do with how it was for him to work with Sharon Stone. It's known that he had to pratically trick her to do that famous shot, one which actually made her a star, and yet she treated it as an old shame. and it's easy to understand from his coment that when he needed Carice to do her naked adn sex scenes, she didn't act difficult to Verhoeven and just get on with it, like a professional. It's quite wel known that european actress have little to no problem and hang ups in doing naked and sex scenes, compared to their american counterparts. No nudity clauses in european actess is pratically unheard of. I woud evne say they woudl consider such clauses an offfense and a lack of professionalism.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST

    mr. moe, heh??

    by AsimovLives

    I really don't understand this accusations from out of thin air that some people level at Nolan that he lacks visual flair and lacks skill in writing dialogue. You got to be kidding me! Do this people actually watch his movies?

  • July 5, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by Mattman

    Yeah, I will say that Carice's nude scenes feel much more natural than Basic Instinct's (which seems to be displaying nudity for the sake of displaying nudity). They flowed with the story, and she never had that "I'm naked right now!" giddy attitude that many American actresses seem unable to cloak while doing nude scenes.

  • Sophistication. Something that seem to go over many people's heads.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    =Nolan just films them in a realistic way=

    by KilliK

    tomato tomato.that's what i meant too.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:27 p.m. CST

    @asimovlives oh i forgot about you

    by KilliK

    we left some unfinished businesses about pretentiousness in another topic.i am going there right now.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    killik

    by AsimovLives

    Read what i posted for you about where to get the complete DAS BOOT series and bury the hatchet already. Life's too short for petty fighting among friends.

  • July 5, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    You two are adorable

    by Mattman

  • July 5, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    I actually find Nolan's films kind of visually bland...

    by Continentalop

    When compared to my favorite directors (Scorsese, Hitchcock, Kurasawa, Coppola, Lang, Murnau, de Toth, Altman, etc). But that is my personal taste. But I will also admit that is also some of Nolan's appeal. He shoots things with a much more "realistic" feel than other directors (without ever crossing over into anything resembling cinema verite or neo-realism), which I admit actually works great when used in such preposterous and far-fetched ideas as BATMAN, INCEPTION or THE PRESTIGE ("verisimilitude" I believe Donner called it).

  • July 5, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Just finish the film and be done with it.

    by Flip63Hole

    Time for a Batman reboot, thanks! Mark Hamill as Joker, or at least base Joker on the comics. Interesting plots would be welcomed...

  • He has yet to disappoint me. However, she's not a good actress and not everyone finds her sexy...

  • July 6, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    See Havoc, then tell me Hathaway isn't sexy

    by Mattman

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFGswd4mk-4&feature=related

  • If you don't think she's a good actress, it makes me wonder if you've seen any of her best roles (Brokeback being the prime example... although i wouldn't blame anyone for avoiding that one). Judging her based on her girly roles would be like judging Kilmer on Batman Forever or Ghost in the Darkness without seeing Tombstone.

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