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World Premiere Broadcast of Alan Silvestri's Score for CAPTAIN AMERICA Saturday Night!

Published at: July 1, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST

Greetings! ScoreKeeper here with a little news concerning Alan Silvestri's score for the upcoming CAPTAIN AMERICA (2011) set to release in theaters on July 22nd. On Saturday night, July 2nd, selections of Silvestri's score will premiere on the weekly film music radio show "Movies on the Radio" on WQXR in New York City. The show can be heard on the radio at 105.9 FM in the New York area and streams live via the internet at WQXR's web site. The show will air from 9PM to 10PM EST.

Normally, I'm not a huge fan of checking out scores before I see the film. It happens sometimes but I don't often seek music out prior to seeing the film. Even if I get a CD I'll hold off. In this case I'm not too sure. I absolultely love what I've seen so far of CAPTAIN AMERICA through the trailers and other promotional media. The only thing that remains a big question mark is what will the score be like? I don't think music typically carries as much weight as it currently does with CAPTAIN AMERICA. While music is important in any film I believe the quality of the storytelling involved in this film hinges upon the quality of and appropriateness of the music. The score can make or break this film.

I may still wait for the movie but if you want to check out the score ahead of time, Saturday night is your first opportunity to do so.

The score will be released on CD on July 19, 2011 by Wal Disney Records.

 

  

 

Last week I had some fun on Twitter concering the latest trailer for CAPTAIN AMERICA. Even though I loved the visual aspects I absolutely abhorred the Tool song that was cut in the later half (this is not an indictment on Tool, just the use of their music). I felt it was woefully inappropriate for the narrative and the character. Somebody on Twitter asked me what I would have done instead. I thought about it briefly and spent a couple hours last Saturday cutting the music together. It's not perfect by any stretch. I had to take the sound effects and dialogue out but I was still able to get my point across.

A ton of different scores came to mind that could potentially work in this trailer...THE ROCKETEER (1991), AMERIKA (1987), DARK OF THE SUN (1968), THE DIRTY DOZEN (1967) and a  gaggle of others. I just asked myself, "What's the most patriotic American score I can think of?"

The answer was AIR FORCE ONE (1997) by Jerry Goldsmith.

I'd really love Silvestri's score to be cut from the same cloth. I can't wait!

Enjoy!

 

 

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  • July 1, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    nice

    by ewokstew

    I'm stoked

  • July 1, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Hopefully Silvestri will have a BTTF flashback

    by ewokstew

    and knock it out of the park just like he did with that soundtrack.

  • July 1, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    No Yankee Doodle?

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Fucking pinКos.

  • July 1, 2011, 9:56 p.m. CST

    I prefer the Captain America Fuck Yeah version.

    by Saen

    It speaks to me, it really does.

  • July 1, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Hey Daredevil made Evanescence popular!

    by sunwukong86

    Not sure if thats good or bad though

  • July 1, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST

    SK is on fire this week!!!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • ...but in the last decade, I have only bought two of his scores on CD (The Mummy Returns and Beowulf). Hopefully Captain America won't sound like the typical Hans Zimmer crap-fest and will restore some actual MELODY to superhero scores.

  • July 1, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Rousing melodies, patriotic anthems, emotional climaxes...

    by ScoreKeeper

    I know Alan Silvestri can do it...but will the suits let him?

  • July 1, 2011, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Even Patrick Doyle's Thor had that Hans Zimmer

    by Nasty In The Pasty

  • July 1, 2011, 10:27 p.m. CST

    sound

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    It was better than the usual Zimmer score, but it still had that simplistic "everything written by one guy on a keyboard" feel. Whatever happened to COUNTERPOINT in film music?

  • July 1, 2011, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Silvestri was a good choice

    by tomandshell

    I am looking forward to hearing his score for this film.

  • Jesus Christ, please not another Hans Zimmer-esque tone poem. A good 50% of why we can't get the original Superman movie out of our heads is the friggin' theme song. Looked through Silvestri's imdb, and was not encouraged. He's prolific, but unmemorable. Back To The Future is the only one that stands out, and even there, I only kinda remember it. The Jerry Goldsmith mash-up with the trailer was pretty good. Goldsmith would have been good for this one.

  • July 1, 2011, 10:52 p.m. CST

    There's already a miniscule cue released

    by gmanca

    http://www.movieweb.com/movie/captain-america-the-first-avenger/follow-me You can tell it's Silvestri with the tight timpani drum-roll

  • July 1, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Oops, Thanks for the head's up ScoreKeeper!

    by gmanca

  • July 1, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST

    fuck off scorekeeper, stop posting stories

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    jesus fucking christ why are yu the only one posting shit, no one cares about music

  • Fuck...

  • July 1, 2011, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Dear Greggers...

    by A Cat Named Steve French

    You only "kind of" remember the Back To The Future theme? WTF, dude, WTF...

  • July 1, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Not bad...

    by Redbox Vacation

    But I think it's kind of interesting that you don't like the modern music used, but you chose music that while reminiscent of the time, is nothing like the music of the 40's. You replaced Tool with 80's-90's score music, The ending was nice, the beginning felt to much like the A Team.. I understand your point, but you need to realize that were you actually living in the 1940's the music you selected would have sounded just as outlandish.. It's all the perspective.. I might have liked a bit of Nat King Cole Trio "Straighten Up and Fly Right".. maybe "Begin the Beguine" Then topping off with Fred Astaire "Let face the Music and Dance".. I know a lot of folks who watched the trailer with me, because they heard the Tool song and ended up excited for the movie.. So.. it's not a crime.. anymore than your revisionist score is.. It's all in your perspective.. And Cap, he ain't a Jingoist flag-waver.. He's better than that.. Cap isn't just a military hero.. He's the good guy that really believes in America warts and all.. That shows through regardless..

  • July 1, 2011, 11:34 p.m. CST

    John Williams should've done the score.

    by Yelsaeb

    Nothing wrong with Silvestri, but no one can beat The Williams.

  • July 1, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Not gonna lie, I love Silvestri's Delta Force theme.

    by Tacom

    You hear that 80s synth and you know Chuck Norris coming in on a motorcycle to save the day!

  • July 2, 2011, 12:03 a.m. CST

    We all know what it will be...

    by Odkin

    ...monotone background mood music. That's all the suits allow these day. No themes, no rousing fanfares, no tune whatsoever. No reflection on Silvestri as I really don't pay attention to composers. But I know what I like, and if I can't both remember and whistle it, it ain't worth shit.

  • July 2, 2011, 12:27 a.m. CST

    I would take Craig Safan's rousing anthem from Remo Williams

    by Cheif Brody

    as the Cap's theme!! Dear God...that was a great piece of music wasted on a hero that never got off the ground. <p> "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins". And then drifts off to obscurity forever. Too bad. Remo's hero theme was the best part about that flick. <p> Refresher? Here's YouTube: <p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8VeH3JykPo <p> Gotta scroll in to 1:02 to the hero theme. Picture Cap poundin on Nazi's when ya listen...

  • July 2, 2011, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Very stirring, Scorekeeper. I got chills.

    by Laserbrain

  • I have been thinking about this long before this movie was greenlit. In fact, about 15 years ago, dreaming about being a filmmaker, I thought that if I ever got the chance to make Captain America it would take place in WWII, and the score would be very, very similar to Ron Goodwin's score to WHERE EAGLES DARE. Listen to that opening title sequence and tell me that's NOT Captain America's theme song. Also, I'm going to be disappointed in the soundtrack if there is no track called "Captain America's March" Very high expectations for the film and the score, and I imagine I will be harder on it than most people.

  • July 2, 2011, 1:07 a.m. CST

    That was amazing!

    by Edited_Out

    Well done. Love, love, love it. Thanks for putting the time and energy into doing that.

  • July 2, 2011, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Alas, Steve French, alas...

    by Greggers

    I think I only know the Back to the Future theme at all because of all the time it's been replayed in Back to the Future retrospectives, etc. And the ride that used to be at Universal Studios. When I hear it in my head, it just sounds like...John Williams pastiche. Then again, a lot of John Williams can sound like John Williams pastiche. I was just listening to the score to Dracula a little while ago, and it wasn't quite as good as I remembered. Sounded like someone was going all John-Williams-woodwinds-crazy on the music's ass. But I will say this about the Back to the Future soundtrack: I was ready to sing "Back in Time" and "Power of Love" at the drop of a hat (and I was a 80s new wave nerd!).

  • July 2, 2011, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Chief Brody

    by Greggers

    You do realize that that music from Remo Williams sounds like the non-ironic source material for "America, Fuck Yeah!", right? It's one synthesizer away from being the theme to MacGuyver.

  • July 2, 2011, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Greggers...Ahhh...the 80's.

    by Cheif Brody

    Listen to Silvestri's own theme to "Delta Force" (with Chuck Norris, Lee Marvin). Same problem, dude. <p> Remo's main title would need the full symphony overhaul...natch...and remove all the "Asian interludes" to his training methods...But please...don't deny that Remo's hero march isn't fuckin awesome. <p> I want a lil "America, FUCK YEAH" in my Captain America theme, thank you!!

  • July 2, 2011, 2:35 a.m. CST

    redbox vacation

    by misterfurly

    movies from the 40's had ORCHESTRAL scores and thats what that re edited trailer had, an appropriate orchestral score as opposed to a lame metal song that appeals to trench coat wearing goatee backwards hat guys and jocks. your put down is completely non nonsensical. it is LAME and any classic movie never had that crap, go watch the trailer to T2 , its awesome and has brad fiedel's synth/orchestral score-if was given to todays editing houses they 50% likely use some bullshit nu metal like they did in this trailer. as much as green lantern sucked they at least got the trailer right with sweeping heroic score, unfortunately the movie had more of a "rock" bullshit "iron man" esque crap score. that was another awful awful score to a movie. i can hum the them to terminator, batman (burtons), superman, starwars, total recall, robocop, even predator had themes and melodies. todays scores are as shit as most of the movies, unfortuately while SOME movies are actually good these days (in the realm of blockbusters) the scores are usually forgettable crap. silvestri is actually good but like most artists they suck and get hackish as they get older. john willliams still can crank out a good one here and there, but the greats like john barry, jerry goldsmith, john carpenter, bernard herrman. everybody just apes hans zimmer nowadays.

  • July 2, 2011, 3:39 a.m. CST

    All the Marvel Cinematic Universe movies have Zimmer-y scores.

    by sapno_krei

    It's almost like having an electronic backbone to the scores was a mandate. I was surprised that even Patrick "Goblet of Fire" Doyle's THOR score had that Zimmer sound. I'm not necessarily complaining. At least they've been consistent. There are just not as many hummable tracks as we got accustomed to from John Williams and his 70s-90s era.

  • July 2, 2011, 3:53 a.m. CST

    When Captain America throws his mighty shield...

    by Dennis_Moore

    Cap already has a theme, from the 60's.

  • July 2, 2011, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Here:

    by Dennis_Moore

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpufNT8I-SU

  • July 2, 2011, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Best Silvestri score = The Abyss

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • July 2, 2011, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Well, he also did the soundtrack for Airwolf too.

    by Stalkeye

  • July 2, 2011, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Jerry Goldsmith was the man!

    by Goldfingah

    After seeing that cut I'm just sorry he couldn't have lived to write the actual score himself. Still, BTTF is one of my favorites so I remain cautiously optimistic.

  • July 2, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST

    silvestri

    by egomeme

    best silvestri score=predator

  • July 2, 2011, 5:32 a.m. CST

    It's a long road

    by davidwebb

    I liked the edit, but kept expecting the Rambo theme to appear. But yes, Cap needs a varation on the 'classic' war movie soundtracks. Like someone said above, Where Eagles Dare, or The Great Escape (the scenes where Steve's headed for the border on his Triumph are some of my favourite action cues ever).

  • July 2, 2011, 5:35 a.m. CST

    In fact, I think it needs the Raiders score.

    by davidwebb

  • July 2, 2011, 6:07 a.m. CST

    gmanca

    by thefirerises

    Many thanks for that - although it was only twenty seconds, it filled me with an odd sense of hope. We're getting a Cap movie. It ties into the modern-day, but it looks like its done well. And the score, by Silvestri no less, has the potential to be something. It truly is a solid time to be a geek.

  • July 2, 2011, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Best Silvestri score = Predator 2

    by loafroaster

  • July 2, 2011, 7:37 a.m. CST

    SPIDER-MAN had a great theme

    by BenBraddock

    Yes, it did. Give the Main Title a few listens, it's really a great, Superheroic theme. Elfman did a good job on it.

  • July 2, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST

    misterfurly

    by Redbox Vacation

    No doubt, but not an orchestral piece that sounds like that. I'm just pointing out that the replacement of 90's Rock with an 80's score is a matter of taste. I personally hate score music from the past 30 years.. not all, but a lot of that stuff is melodramatic.. I think going with something slightly more authentic would be interesting, but unfortunately there is a retroactively established style of what the 40's were, based on many WWII movies made years later, that is kind of trite, boring and cliche. Listen to the scores of the 40's.. But then again, I'm a fan of The Third Man which came out in 1950... and that movie got by on style and atmosphere with a truly European score by Anton Karas.

  • July 2, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST

    benbraddock

    by Redbox Vacation

    You are correct Sir.. Love the Spiderman and Peter Parker Themes.. and how they weave in and out of each other..

  • July 2, 2011, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Silvestri can still kick major ass...

    by m_prevette

    The A Team proved he still writes the most muscular kicking ass action music today, now that Goldsmith is gone. Brian Tyler comes close but he still has issues with melodic action. Silvestri has it nailed. And Cast Away is maybe the loneliest , most heartbreaking theme in years, simply gorgeous

  • July 2, 2011, 8:12 a.m. CST

    redbull_werewolf you're an idiot

    by m_prevette

    Plan and simple. Idiot. I love when the cretins claim no one cares about film scores. How can you even claim to be a movie fan and NOT be versed in movie music, even at a basic level? It is as vital as the script or any other element, more important than most

  • July 2, 2011, 8:18 a.m. CST

    BTTF Overture

    by Nuck81

    One of the great Cinematic Overtures. It's among my very favorite. But no one can touch John Williams for Melodic Hummable scores, even if he has began to recycle himself in his older age. The Asteroid Field music from ESB gives me chills every time...

  • July 2, 2011, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Mike Post should have done more movie work.

    by Arcadian Del Sol

  • July 2, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Sky Captain main theme

    by GiggityGoo

    I've been hoping it would be as rousing as the main theme of Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow. The film might not have been the best, but that opening music is one of the best themes I've heard since Williams' Superman score. THAT'S what I'm hoping for.

  • July 2, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    SCORES

    by misterfurly

    in the olden days of my youth (the 80's) even shitty movies would great scores- case in point http://tinyurl.com/c79lw5

  • July 2, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    from darth_kong via Ryan Dunn obitback

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Jul 01, 2011 6:39:01 PM CDT Seriously. If Bobo_Vision gets a day at AICN then The Choppah should get to post a review or two. by darth_kong I'm waiting for a black box to give me the greenlight. What do you guys want? A review of MIDNIGHT IN PARIS? CAPTAIN AMERICA? 1500 words? 2000 words? If you have to fly me to a screening it has to be 1st class seat. Ok, I'll settle for business-class, but it will skew my review.

  • July 2, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    When Michael Giacchino was rumored to score CAP...

    by sapno_krei

    ...I immediately thought of his MEDAL OF HONOR video game scores. Alas, it was not meant to be.

  • July 2, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST

    And thats why Scorekeeper doesn't have a job making trailers.

    by tailhook

    The official one absolutely destroys your version sir. I've seen that one upwards of 15 times, and I don't watch trailers. The Tool song not only works perfectly staying largely in the background, but the trailer itself does a very good job of detailing what the movie is actually about. Yours, does not. Just a fanwank version. You're the type of guy that thinks he can sing because he did so in the shower, but that Simon Cowell just shreds for being completely off-key, off-tone, and just plain bad.

  • July 2, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Choppah

    by Nuck81

    You must have a truly pathetic existence. I really pity you. Is the AICN talkback the most worthwhile thing you have going on in your life? I can't imagine how fat, lazy, greasy, and disgusting you must be to have your entire waking existence devoted to being some kind of "noted" gimmick on AICN talkback. What do you do for a living, draw disability for your obesity? There is help out there for you and others like you. AA and other 12 step programs can do a lot giving people such as you a support group full of actual real live people for you to interact and socialize with, instead of other fictional "gimmick" talkbackers that you feud with. Just remember, suicide is NEVER the answer. There is help out there

  • July 2, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Predator Score = Best of a

    by Waka_Flocka

  • July 2, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST

    ffs. Best of all time

    by Waka_Flocka

    imo

  • July 2, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Scorekeeper... I loved it.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Your "fan-made" trailer is 100 times better than that Tool-infused one. Tool might be good music, but it's shite for a WWII-era American Superhero CHOPPED IN THE USA

  • July 2, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    nuck81...ah the good ol' "AA and other 12 step programs" attack

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    How classic, and played. I'm on here a lot because my work affords me the opportunity to be leisure-like. I own my own business. I have enough saved up to retire right now and not have to ever use Social Security. I'll be in Argentina next month. I'll be sure to stay connected to AICN and keep tabs on you, Nuck81. I think you have potential, but still kinda amateur. Be more professional. CHOPPED

  • July 2, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Hopes are high for this one.

    by Darkman

    While the other comic book scores this year were serviceable enough, I couldn't remember a theme from any of them at gunpoint. Not every superhero score needs to be Williams's SUPERMAN or Elfman's BATMAN, but a hummable melody is not asking too much. <br><br> As for favorite Silvestri scores...MOUSE HUNT (a sentimental favorite), ROGER RABBIT, PREDATOR (the 'Predator fixing himself' music is among my all-time fave Silvestri cues), JUDGE DREDD and BACK TO THE FUTURE.

  • July 2, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Redwolf

    by scrmwrtr42

    Hey Redwolf, I know you're a troll, and this is what you wanted, but A.) you're wrong, a LOT of people care about music, and B.) M_Prevette is right...you're an idiot. Keep these stories coming, Scorekeeper!

  • July 2, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Scorekeepr is a god amongst men.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • July 2, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    and that was blasphemy for spelling his handle wrong

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Forty lashes!

  • but I disagree with your analysis. I don't think that audiences don't want a hummable score. The fact that something is hummable in the first place implies that it is catchy and appealing, and I think that human beings like things that are appealing. Further, this type of fully orchestrated theme-based music is not intellectually threatening to most audiencesl in fact, I'm about to argue the opposite. And I don't think this kind of music is tagged as American. I don't think that when people hear the theme music to STAR WARS, they think America. I don't think that moviemakers are trying to make a bland experience for moviegoers (so they can use their iphones, etc.), not even subconsciously: I don't think moviegoers are looking for an experience so intellectually passive, nor do I think the moviemakers and theaters have any incentive to make it more passive. I think the trend that we're seeing in movie scores is *artistically* driven; I think these are deliberate choices made by the artists making the movies. Here's why: Conventionally theme-driven scores like the ones from John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith and John Barry tend to be *overtly affecting*. If done well, this musical approach enhances whatever emotional values the movie is trying to get across. E.g., When Indiana Jones gets ready to set out from the village and back to civilization at the end of TEMPLE OF DOOM, the familiar Indiana Jones march comes on, letting us know that the day is won. It lets us know this as surely as a narrator's voice saying "The day is won, and now Indiana Jones can go on his way to another adventure." And these emotional directions conveyed by the music occur throughout the films. The trouble is, I think a lot of filmmakers feel this approach is TOO OBVIOUS, perhaps even distracting from what they're trying to present. Hacky. If the music is too manipulative and blatant, or even too catchy -- catchy to the point where the filmgoer is noticing it -- that will take the filmgoer out of the moment and subvert the experience that the filmmaker is trying to create. On the other hand, if the music is more subtle, more tonal, less noticeable yet still consistent with the emotional life of the scene, this is a more effective underscore. I'm reminded of an interview with John Ottman around the time that SUPERMAN RETURNS. He was talking about how great the William's score was for the original Superman films and how he was going to use it, but he also casually mentioned how it was inappropriate in its original form for a "modern film." I challenge anyone reading this post to think of anything -- any theme, any cue, anything -- that Ottman has written. You can't do it. But you've probably still enjoyed the movies he's scored. And that's the way the moviemakers like it.

  • July 2, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Not Giacchino?

    by schreck

    Man, I must really be behind on my updates here, I thought Giacchino was scoring this. I'm more optimistic about Silvestri's involvement however, so fingers crossed. Meanwhile, am I also the only person to just realize Cap would be wielding the old triangle shield for a bit? The new trailer was the first hint I've received regarding that.

  • July 2, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Yeah, the Sky Captain score was AWESOME

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    The movie was kind of boring (aside from the visuals), but Ed Shearmur's score was rousing as hell, everything a great score for an old-fashioned adventure movie SHOULD be, but rarely is in this day and age (when Gabriel Yared spent a YEAR writing a gorgeous score for Troy, only to get it tossed out at the last moment because some mouth-breathing teenager in a test screening complained that it was too "old-fashioned"). This is why I rarely buy scores for current movies anymore, when fifteen years ago, there were still plenty of great scores to go around.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    genderblender

    by misterfurly

    your way off on your breakdown- look, the masses arent really any dumber than they were in the 80's--your nuts to think an audience is so conditioned to NOT want them? really? thats not a very on the money analysis. this doesnt have anything to do with what audiences "want" give them an amazing starwars or superman theme and theyll be into it. this has more to do with a new generation of composers that arent as good and are referencing different material and more to do with what studios "think" is the way to go, in addition, good composers are now producing marginal work, at least in lord of the rings theres a slightly hummable tune. great scores are in the same boat as great movies- they arent made much nowadays because studios have devolped the machinery to pump out sterile material and is more corporate producing a product than in the past.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Anyone ever noticed how similar Silvestri's Predator theme is to BTTF II?

    by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS

    I think James Horner could've come up with a really good Cap score after what he did with the Rocketeer although having said that I'm pretty sick of his 'danger' motif' he crowbars into every movie.

  • July 2, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    that's the way the moviemakers like it

    by misterfurly

    id say thats the way "studios" might like it and some contemporary hack composers. im sorry but you can remember the themes from the best movies. even ghost which i consider a mediocre sappy enjoyable movie had a memorable theme. the point is it STILL happens that there is a memorable or hummable score (daft punk tron for example) its not that filmakers dont want it , it has more to do with the prevailing winds of the industry and a lack of talent among younger -ish composers. and again great composers generally pump out mediocre works now- james horner used to be great, but now, can you think of any of the music in avatar? i gaurantee you if he came up with amaizng music and wonderful themes cameron wouldnt have said .."ohhh no, modern audiences cant roll with that, can you come up with something forgettable?" gimme a break, this is not how it works.

  • July 2, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Gary Newman's

    by Evil Chicken

    theme from "The Natural" gets me every time. Yes - it's baseball but when you put that next to Ma & apple pie, what do you have?

  • July 2, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    by Frijole

    I am cautious about this. Silvestri's BTTF score is a top ten score for sure. But, you mean to tell me that you have a comic book movie, directed by Joe Johnston, set during World War II and produced under the umbrella of Disney and you DON'T use James Horner?!?!? Wha??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzNhQefDvH0

  • July 2, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    evil chicken - Randy.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

  • July 2, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Favorite Silvestri? ... Forrest Gump.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Don't even try to hate. Contact is a close second. Of course Predator, Abyss and BTTF are perfect as well. And don't forget CHiPs!

  • July 2, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    LOVED this mashup

    by HyphenatedWords

    This felt wonderful. I would share this with my Captain America-lovin' coworker. I told him to avoid the real trailer, lest he be enraged. <br> <br> Jaws. Star Wars. Superman. The Black Hole. Star Trek: The Motion Picture. The Wrath of Khan. Raiders of the Lost Ark. The Empire Strikes Back.<br> <br> I don't know why it became passe to have memorable movie themes and the use of leitmotif, because I GUARANTEE that the films listed above would not have been as successful if the audience wasn't humming their tunes as they walked out of the theater.<br> <br> It's a pointless What If? game, but would Jaws have been so successful without that music? Would Star Wars have made hearts and imaginations soar without that amazing stream of music guiding us through?<br> <br> Our new hero movies: Spider-man, Iron Man, Thor, Green Lantern... UGH. There were good beats in each, but nothing you could sing in the back yard while you were swinging on your jungle gym after the streetlights came on.<br> <br> Here's hoping...

  • July 2, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    mister furley, was that last post at me?

    by Greggers

    It sounds like you're taking issue with my point that the more tonal movie scores are meeting the demands of the filmmakers themselves. So let me respond. 'i gaurantee you if he came up with amaizng music and wonderful themes cameron wouldnt have said .."ohhh no, modern audiences cant roll with that, can you come up with something forgettable?"' No, he wouldn't have said that. He might have said "That's great James, but can you tone it down a little bit? I'd rather that the acting and directing carry this scene that I'm putting so much painstaking work into, and have your music just be more of a subconscious influence on what's happening. And can you make it sound a little less obvious? This isn't REMO WILLIAMS I'm directing here." And fwiw, I can't remember the theme to TRON: LEGACY. I can remember "End of Line" because it was the one thing on the soundtrack that resembled a Daft Punk song, and I played it a few times before I even saw the movie. The rest of it was mostly thumping tribal drums played under held notes -- just like DARK KNIGHT.

  • July 2, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    misterfurly, of course I can remember music from Avatar!

    by Drath

    What are you smoking? Of course it had memorable music--because he xeroxed a bunch of it from his score for Glory! Duh! African children's choir singing for first flight was terrific, lots of fun from Horner's older days. Also the rousing assembling of the N'avi army was pretty good too. Sorry, that's BAD example of a score that's forgettable. I thought it was one of Horner more enjoyable scores in a while. I don't mind that he copies himself anymore, that's who he is, and I can accept that even if it means I don't expect the same originality from him that I might from others. I can't believe people are putting down Silvestri's BTTF score now as a Williams pastiche. Are you kids for real? Were you even around when we were GETTING these great scores? Dumbasses. He went on to deliver many great scores: Predator 1 and 2, The Abyss, Roger Rabbit, Mummy Returns, Beowulf. I won't deny that he's misfired though. I did not like his Judge Dread score (particularly since I vastly preferred Jerry Goldsmith's theme used in the trailer). I don't know what's going on with movie scores these days. They are indeed uninspired. One of my favorites composers now is John Powell. His scores have elevated awful movies for me (Mr. and Mrs. Smith and X-Men 3), and enhanced movies into classics (How to Train Your Dragon). I hope Silvestri delivers another of his best ones here, I'll be really ashamed if the score is a weak spot.

  • If you go to the official Captain America movie website <http://captainamerica.marvel.com>, there's music that plays while you're there. Is it from the score? I don't know. How would I characterize the music? Held notes played under thumping tribal drums. Sigh.

  • July 2, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Forrest Gump, Contact and parts of his BTTF III score all sound the same to me.

    by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS

    Not that I'm criticizing, loads of composers reuse a lot of their previous work.

  • July 2, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST

    greggers

    by sapno_krei

    I believe that music is the same as from the first trailer. From a musical group whose name escapes me at the moment (you can find it on YouTube under "Captain America trailer music").

  • July 2, 2011, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Silvestri?? Awesome!!

    by chargester

    I'm disappointed that modern movies have no noticeable themes. Silvestri is one of the greats though, so this is excellent news. I also think the score could make or break the film with this one.

  • July 2, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Anyone listening right now?

    by freerangecelt

    Great show!

  • July 2, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Similar to Aaron Copeland, Max Steiner!

    by sapno_krei

    So says David Garland as he introduces the music!

  • July 2, 2011, 8:34 p.m. CST

    I'm not hearing any Captain America

    by Scott

    Hey, thanks for wasting my time ass, by not telling me it's 90% OTHER superhero music and only a small portion of CA

  • July 2, 2011, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Main title was ok, I really liked the second track.

    by vic twenty

    Had a few Predator bits mixed in there, rousing stuff.

  • July 2, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST

    stop or my mom will shoot

    by iampain

    k that had to be a phone in.

  • July 2, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Very Silvestri so-far

    by gmanca

    I'm hearing Judge Dredd and Blown Away in this fast-paced track.

  • July 2, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Nice signature melody used throughout.

    by vic twenty

    I like it - the planets seem to be aligning for this film. Can't wait! Nice job Silvestri!

  • July 2, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Captain's Theme is like a Western intro theme

    by gmanca

  • July 2, 2011, 8:40 p.m. CST

    I like it...

    by freerangecelt

    You can get the impression of Steve Roger's idealism as he yearns to serve his country, and how it sweeps into his transformation into Captain America, and then his re-emergence into the modern age, where he has to find his place in the world today. So far, so good!

  • July 2, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST

    sapno_krei -- Thanks for the info re: The website music

    by Greggers

    As for the CAPTAIN AMERICA score, at this point, I give it a B-. Almost gave it a C+, but I awarded some extra points for effort. Honestly, it sounded to me like the theme to THE NATURAL, but perhaps a little more rushed and with a little less substance. But maybe it will grow on me.

  • July 2, 2011, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Definitely a welcome change form previous Marvel Universe films

    by sapno_krei

    ...but it's admittedly tough not to hear similarities with Silvestri's scores to GI Joe and The Mummy Returns. But it's great to know it seems there are some really kinetic action scenes being underscored by this music!

  • July 2, 2011, 9 p.m. CST

    Nice!

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    I'm liking that a lot.

  • July 2, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST

    great score based on these clips

    by loganprometheus

    Some bits remind of BTTF, that's a good thing. WW2 feel, military brass. Very classic sounding score, no electronic stuff at all, which is appropriate.

  • July 2, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Old Fashioned Indeed

    by Mephisto the Great

    It does smack of 80s style soundtracks, though Jerry Goldsmith would have knocked this out of the park. I miss that man.

  • July 2, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST

    greggers

    by misterfurly

    "That's great James, but can you tone it down a little bit? I'd rather that the acting and directing carry this scene that I'm putting so much painstaking work into, and have your music just be more of a subconscious influence on what's happening. And can you make it sound a little less obvious? This isn't REMO WILLIAMS I'm directing here." uhhh really? if you have a stirring theme suddenly its remo williams? are you forgetting terminator absolutely has a memorable theme (which they screwed up in T3 and salvation--just hire fiedel, not hack-o-rama danny elfman...uggh) and most classic well loved hollywood movies have very good scores. i think your mistaking filmmaker choices for "subtlely" i.e crap scores...for uninspired new composers scoring and composers burnt out from composing non stop since the 70's and 80's. scoring like the movies there in go through phase shifts, the casablanca score wouldnt work on on a modern movie, but a very bernarrd herrman esque score probably could, a classic 80's john williams score is perfectly acceptable in todays marketplace. i think artists just arent coming up with legendary stuff, in the same way there hasnt been real blockbuster classics like starwars, raiders, et, predator, total recall, terminator2, bladerunner etc etc....the same reason you havent seen true classics (you could make the case for one or two new classics) is the same reason you dont see original amazing scores. they- just- dont- make- em like they used to. granted there have been some very good blockbusters in recent times (lotr harry potter, first matrix etc) i think the bottom line is that the hollywood machine is just ripping itself off from the 70's and 80's (coincidently the age range of most studio suits youth) and is churning out garbage, both movies and scores.

  • You might have known him from Back to the Future, but that's really the only thing he ever did that he's known for.

  • July 2, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Speak for yourself, I know film scoring

    by gmanca

  • July 2, 2011, 10:21 p.m. CST

    greggers: your handle reminds me too much of "preggers"

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    and I've had more pregnant wives than any sane man should be allowed. Your handle is inadvertantly bringing back haunting memories of babies, diaper rash, diarrhea, colic, child support, kidnapping, ransom, etc. From now on, greggers, you shall be known as... griggs Now you remind me of the awesome alien from THE LAST STARFIGHTER.

  • July 2, 2011, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Cap score....

    by simongarth2001

    Just heard it. I don't really care for the Cap theme itself. (The last great Superhero theme to me, was williams Superman. Like the original Star wars, its a tune that just sticks with you.....something they can't seem to attain anymore for some reason.) The other tracks that I have heard so far sound very exciting and urgent. Much different than the same old stuff out there. Definitely old school, which is exactly what this period film needs. Hopefully, it will all gel together nicely come July 22.

  • The upthread poster "Chief Brody" would take it as a compliment. And let's not forget the fact that Fred Ward rulez! Timerider 4 ever! So if I can crystalize whatever disagreement we have here, it's that we both love the John Williams-esque moviescoring of yore, but whereas I say that we don't hear it because the filmmakers chose not to go in that direction, you feel that it's a matter of the modern working composers not being capable of creating these kinds of scores. I think I've junked up this talkback enough, so I'll try to make one last point along these lines. The original BATTLESTAR GALACTICA had an awesome theme. Almost John Williams level, probably as good as anything Sivestri has come up with in his career. When the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA came out, rather than use that original score (which they could if they'd wanted to), they went in a totally new direction: the "held notes played under tribal drums" that through the course of this talkback I've come to the conclude is the hackiest soundtrack style of the new millenium. Again, they could have kept the original score and repurposed it. (And they kinda did, using it as propaganda music for the colonial gov't.) They had good, solid, John Williams-esque music at their fingertips. But instead, they chose to go for the non-theme score, the new style. And I think that's where most filmmakers are coming from these days. That's what they want, whether we want it or not.

  • July 2, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    i would agree

    by misterfurly

    the the corporate suits with their extensive test marketing are always trying to be "cutting edge" and might feel that his score was too old school, sometimes its jsut a matter of taste as well, some people really think the "tool" music is cool as hell. iron man is a perfect example of a movi that could have made a decent movie so so much better with a memorable score. i think it depends on the filmmaker and his cojones vs the studio and their marketing minds. clearly spielberg has ultimate say and if wanted a movie with all George Gershwin he could. i think its some of what your saying and how much of it is people bowing to a corporate product and what they feel the needs of the studio are and how much they have to obey them and /or even want a jerry goldsmith type score. also keep in mind when starwars came out according to lucas orchestral scores had fell out of favor and it was more common not to have them, that obviously changed. and in the 80's almost every hollywood movie had a synth score, which became the standard half the time- personally i miss synth (80's flavored not zimmer) scores- brad fiedel, john carpenter, tangerine dream, especially in horror movies--simple piano and synth are usually far scarier than blown out orchestral scores...anyhow im on a tangent..

  • July 3, 2011, 12:27 a.m. CST

    I agree with a lot of what's been said hear

    by BillEmic

    Just want to say that a GREAT, and underrated, super hero theme would be Danny Elfman's theme music for the short-lived "Flash" live action TV show. I used to hum that fucker like crazy as a little kid, pretending I was the Flash as I ran through the hallway.

  • July 3, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST

    there are people who don't like the Spider-Man score?

    by mr teaspoon

    I love Elfman's work on the Spider-Man movies, particularly Spider-Man 2. Those strings in the main theme are the aural equivalent of web swinging.

  • July 3, 2011, 12:48 a.m. CST

    oh and the Cap score

    by mr teaspoon

    I was hugely relieved to see they went with Silvestri, that's exactly the kind of sound this movie ought to have. I wasn't blown away with what I heard tonight, but not really disappointed either. At this point it'll do, but it's no BTTF.

  • July 3, 2011, 2:47 a.m. CST

    genderblender

    by Caesar

    Painting in broad strokes are we? Are all French people American hating snobs? Are all Germans Neo Nazis? Are all talk backers on Aintitcool forums obese and self loathing? Get over yourself and breath the world in for its complexity. I know your head might explode, but give it a try. And for your information, plenty of Americans thinking the tweeting phenomena is a bit silly.

  • July 3, 2011, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Lots and lots of Brass!

    by Goldfingah

    It's on youtube now too, and I have to say I like what I'm hearing! The main theme sounds a little bit like that cue plays when Forrest Gump runs across a football field, which is definitely a good thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oDrB7agzhM

  • July 3, 2011, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Also, It's Funny You Should Mention Goldsmith

    by Goldfingah

    ...listening to the main theme I detect hints of "King Solomon's Mines" a score Goldsmith composed for a "Raider's" knockoff starring Richard Chamberlain and produced by those Golan-Globus uber-hacks (those of you who are only young enough to have seen Uwe Boll should check out those guys' movies if you want to see some SERIOUS schlock). Ironic, considering that the book on which that film was based inspired Indy's adventures, having predated them by almost a hundred years!

  • July 3, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    When Captain America throws his mighty shield...

    by krabklaw

    They should just use this: http://homepage.mac.com/jjbeach/einheri/music/cap.html

  • July 3, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Two Best Patriotic Movie Marches Ever...

    by RTTingle

    1941 - John Williams. Stripes - Elmer Bernstein.

  • A perfect fit for the tone. The original music did not work with the source material. Shame. There was a time when Hollywood knew how to market. That time is gone.

  • July 4, 2011, 2:25 a.m. CST

    genderblender?

    by Caesar

    You're honestly going by a news report that singles out the least aware people out of crowds of hundreds? oh genderblender..... come to America, talk with the people and you'll meet lots of types. Smart, stupid, aggressive, soft spoken.. you know the drill.

  • July 4, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Ever since Black Sabbath was in the Iron Man trailer...

    by perrybw

    ...they have decided that rock songs work better communicating with a broad audience than traditional orchestral music does. As far as the trailers go, they might be right. Just so long as the movie itself uses the right music...