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Some Plot Details About Ridley Scott's PROMETHEUS!
SPOILER ALERT !!
Nordling here.
WARNING: POSSIBLE MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD.
At CineEurope Ridley Scott, Noomi Rapace, and Michael Fassbender talked PROMETHEUS, and let slip a few plot points. The title of the film refers to both the Greek myth of the man who steals fire from the gods, and the ship of the film, which, said Scott, is sent from Earth by an all-powerful corporation of which fans of the franchise may be familiar. "The journey, metaphorically, is about a challenge to the gods," said Scott at the press conference. He also said much of the film's plot was inspired by the works of Erik Van Daniken, author of CHARIOTS OF THE GODS: "NASA and the Vatican agree that it is almost mathematically impossible that we can be where we are today without there being a little help along the way. That's what we're looking at, at some of Eric van Daniken's ideas of how did we humans come about."
Sounds like a fairly spiritual take on the ALIEN mythos, but wait, there's more: Film site io9 claims that a synopsis of the new film has been sent to them by an unnamed source, and that a Fox representative has claimed that the synopsis is "way off." In reading it, however, it doesn't sound all that far from what Ridley was talking about in his press conference:
Earth. Year 2058.
Archaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that humans were genetically engineered by a advanced alien race (space jockeys). These "Alien Gods" also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. Amongst finds are coordinates to the Alien God's home-world, to Paradise. Months later the Weyland Corp launch the spaceship PROMETHEUS and his crew, into deep space to make first contact. Thanks to faster than light travel a few years later the PROMETHEUS enters the Zeta Riticuli star system. Humans are greeted by their makers, then transported further into space to a scary yet fascinating world. The Alien Gods are proud of their "children", their first creation to reach such levels of intelligence.
As a reward they share bits of their astonishing bio-based technologies with the humans. But for one crew member of the Prometheus it's not enough. In a treacherous act he steals the "bio-source code" to Terraforming, a technology at the origin of all Gods' power, that could make humans equal to the gods. The Alien Gods may be scientists but are also ruthless conquerors, destroyers of worlds who will not accept humans as equals. They unleash on the escaping human crew their favorite bio-weapon, a creature used to "clean up" worlds before colonization. But something goes wrong in the process and humans manage to turn the bio-weapon against their makers. Giving birth to a smarter, nastier, bigger breed of gut eating creatures. Creatures that will be the demise of Paradise. What's left of the Prometheus crew manages to escape the doomed planet.
On their trail a survivor Alien God in very familiar ship with one ultimate mission.
Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth.
Considering the detail of the synopsis and the fact that all this new information came out today at CineEurope, it's not a very far stretch to think that this may be the plot of PROMETHEUS (although the year 2058 seems off - there's no way we will have achieved interstellar travel by then). The guys at io9 didn't care for this synopsis very much, but it doesn't sound terrible. It sounds like science fiction on a level rarely seen on film - we're talking 2001 stuff, in my opinion. Again, this has been supposedly debunked by a Fox executive, but don't be surprised if this is what the film ends up being come next spring. Here's the official synopsis from Fox:
Visionary filmmaker Ridley Scott returns to the genre he helped define, creating an original science fiction epic set in the most dangerous corners of the universe. The film takes a team of scientists and explorers on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life's ultimate mystery.
Nordling, out.
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Jun 30, 2011 9:28:31 PM CDT
Is there any news on this site that HASN'T been on Dark Horizons for a week?
by stallion_cornell
First the Batman graveyard "scoop," and now this. Stay on the ball, AICN!
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And screw DarkHorizons.com.
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Could be an awesome movie... if thats really the plot.
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Jun 30, 2011 9:36:46 PM CDT
I heard about this on the Toronto commercial radio station 12 hours ago
by theendispie
Nice scoop AICN!
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Lovecraft said "The Elder Ones" made earth and created life 300 million years ago. I think Id rather see Del Toro tell that story than see this.
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Jun 30, 2011 9:43:01 PM CDT
This will be a million times better than Avatae, oh yes, you just wait and see.
by freebeer
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Count me in.
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Jun 30, 2011 9:46:00 PM CDT
I HATE the whole concept of "humans genetically engineered by aliens" bit-
by sonnyfern
I have NO idea what to expect from this thing, and I'm sure in the hands of Scott it's going to be visually stunning. But I just don't know about that plot synopsis-
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Jun 30, 2011 9:46:39 PM CDT
I don't really like the idea of expanding ALIEN[S] mythology to include these so-called gods
by goldentribe
It feels like it's moving in the wrong direction. That plot synopsis didn't do a lot for me (sounds like a faux-technical-exposition-filled sci-fi/horror version of THOR) and I don't really see how it overlaps that much with them being "stranded on a distant planet" vs. travelling in a ship (Prometheus) in the first description.
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While their official synopsis sounds very much like a summation of the leak. Uh huh.
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....if any of the actual movie has any of that in there I think this could be really fucking cool. Finally an original, fresh, imaginative sci-fi and Alien concept that has Ridley Scott helming the whole thing. I was already stoked before reading this but now even more so. Can't. Fucking. Wait.
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and hammered it into the "Alien" universe.
Not saying it's not a good idea.
However, as usual, franchisers bind properties too tightly. Loosen up, stop nailing everything into a frame. Like too many 'splosions, too many 'splanations are deleterious. -
Facehuggers + Human Host = Summer Entertainment!
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I don't want AI, I want a high quality genre pic.
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... I HATE the fact humans are central to the story. It just feels like a typical sci-fi movie where humans are one of the top specieis in the universe. I also don't like that relics are found on Earth that begin the whole thing because this feels to Alien Vs Predator for me. The cleanup alien sounds cool except wouldn't the space jockeys (stupid name - sounds like astronaut underwear) then have to clean them up as well? Its like cleaning a room up by making a bigger mess, no? Somehow, it sounds cool and epic in scope and if done well will be one for the history books. However, I fear this is going to miss on our expectations on a "Star Wars: Episode 1" level.
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when the closing shots to this film, are going to be the Space Jockey ship crash landing on LV-246, filled with hundreds of eggs.
And the final images will have the Nostromo, receiving a communique from Weyland-Yutani, and it changes direction, heading towards the doomed planet....
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I never liked the we were created by aliens idea.
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That alien chase at the end of 2001 was TIGHT!
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Still no obit though! Go figure!
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Yes, that will be awesome. I am looking forward to this film more than I have for any film in a long time. I just hope that everything that comes before the end is just as awesome. Just to have a quality Alien film again(hopefully) will be good enogh for me. C'mon Ridley, I'm putting my faith in ya on this one.
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We won't even be on Mars by then! We won't even have smokeless ashtrays by then!
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and a very naughty boy.
Seriously, every single aspect of his pseudo-science crap has been ripped to shreds, and the crack pot doesn't even deserve a footnote in history. Not to mention he nicked almost all of his "ancient astronaut" mythology from H.P. Lovecraft's literature.
As much as I was looking forward to this, I am deeply disturbed (and dissapointed) that Ridley Scott has been influenced by this charlatan. What happenned to the "hard science" that this film was allegedly going to be based on, Ridley? I wonder, when you consulted with NASA...did you bring up Van Daniken's name??? -
Jun 30, 2011 10:15:55 PM CDT
Look, the real question is HOW MUCH, IF ANY, MATERIAL WILL COME OUT OF THE SHADOW 19 SCRIPT?
by darth_kong
It feels like a few plot ideas are absent here. It could be right in a few areas but I think there is more going on than this.
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I think I would rather have the "Space Gods" fearing that we've advanced too much send the aliens after we've made contact. Not because we stole their tech, but because we escaped the zoo so to speak. Maybe that one we meet in Alien was supposed to be found (maybe the "Space Jockey" guy wasn't supposed to succumb to what he was hauling but it happened) and spread the alien horde. Maybe the "Space Jockey" didn't even know an alien was on board but was sent on a bogus mission by the others to check on humans and used as a pawn.
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than I thought. I was kinda scared that Scott was giving up The Forever War and doing this instead. I still think he should at least produce The Forever War.
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that (if the scoop is to be believed) an intelligent, alien race intervened with Homo Sapiens and helped "uplift" them...to coin a phrase from David Brinn. And this theme has appeared many times prior to Clarke and Kubrick's treatment.
Nope, nothing new to see here, folks. Just another bone thrown by Hollywood to appeal to the new-age hippie dippies / astrologists / scientologists / UFO cultists who wouldn't understand real Science, Scientific Method, and/or scientific evidence if it hit them over the head like a ton of bricks. In fact, these groups of people (and I will include all the Conspiracy Theorists in there as well), wouldn't be bothered to cross the street to get a real fact, especially one that contradicts there chosen delusions. -
Jun 30, 2011 10:26:51 PM CDT
Bam Margera said he knew the Space Jockey would kill himself in his ship
by rkdn
that guy flew way too fast.
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Jun 30, 2011 10:27:47 PM CDT
There is no faster-than-light travel in the alien universe...
by turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy
Making this article suspect. Not to mention that 'paradise' was a working title for this movie once upon a time, as well.
Don't like the idea of the Jockey having only lain dormant on LV-426 for thirty-odd years, either. It was supposed to have fossilized there over millenia; perhaps even millions off years, ie. they are an ancient race that died out long, long before human beings evolved. That's what made Alien so Lovecraftian, atmospheric and frightening. -
Jun 30, 2011 10:28:22 PM CDT
I'll take the hit but I think the relics may be found off Earth in our solar system.
by darth_kong
Look at the leaked pics on the alienprequelnews.com
The moon? Mars? A moon of Saturn?
I don't know. Earth's possible but I think plot-wise it's a disaster.
IF YOU WERE TO SEED A PLANET WITH LIFE WHY LEAVE EVIDENCE ON THAT PLANET.
THE SEEDED RACE WOULD EARN THE RIGHT TO KNOW THEIR LINEAGE ONCE THEY ACHIEVED SPACE TRAVEL. And I don't mean faster than light travel or gravity amplification or manipulation of the fabric of space-time. Newtonian mechanics would be just fine in my opinion.
Didn't Kubrick want to use Saturn for 2001 or something but he didn't have the technology at the time to do the rings right?
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Jun 30, 2011 10:30:07 PM CDT
If anything I wonder if this one person who steals this BIO-TECH is Fassbender's android character David? Working for the company?
by darth_kong
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von Daniken was a quack; scott needs to get real. nasa buys von daniken? oh, sure.
this plot doesn't hold up to any critical scrutiny at all. any civilization so advanced it came to earth thousands of years (via interstellar travel) would be far more advanced by now. and along comes one human being and all by his lonesome he steals this ultra-high technology. yep. right. got it.
if this synopsis is anywhere near accurate, well, to say (as nordling did) that "it's not terrible" is giving it far too much praise. it borders on awful.
from a sci fi point, aliens visiting earth in the past isn't so bad. everything else about this is lame, though.
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Jun 30, 2011 10:34:29 PM CDT
This will be either awesome or The Phantom Menace of 2011
by turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy
There's no in-between.
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Yep.
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That'll probably be the tagline.
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Um, I think perhaps you meant to say mathematically inevitable. There's a combination of two factors at work here. First, read up on the Drake equation. If you've seen the movie Contact you should be familiar with it. It's an attempt to guess at the number of life supporting worlds in our galaxy. Then you should read up on the Anthropic Principle.
Basically, even if the chances of there being worlds capable of supporting and possessing liquid water (and thus capable of life) are infinitesimally small, there are so many stars in the galaxy (200 billion is the low-end estimate) there are still probably thousands, even millions of worlds out there that could harbor life. Say you have a die weighted such that there was only a 1 in 1 million chance of you rolling a 1. Well, if you roll a few billion times, you're probably going to roll a 1 a not insignificant number of times.
The Anthropic Principle basically says stop worrying about how unlikely it was that our world gave rise to us. Yeah, sure, it's unlikely, but the fact that we're even pondering the question means that yes, in this case, we were lucky enough to roll the 1 on the proverbial weighted die. -
if the answer to "where did people come from?" is "from other people". Even if they have elephant trunks or whatever. You're still stuck with the same essential question, which is stupid anyway. People need to get over themselves and realize there needn't be some kind of magic or cosmic plot to explain their existence. Just cause YOU think it's mind-blowing doesn't mean the vast emptiness of space gives a flying fuck. Life is just one of many phenomena that go on in the universe. Let it go.
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Jun 30, 2011 10:40:50 PM CDT
So are there HYPER-SLEEP chambers on the spaceship Prometheus?
by darth_kong
I mean, it's an Alien movie I'd like to know.
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Jun 30, 2011 10:42:14 PM CDT
Humans fighting Space Jockeys in Battle Suits sounds like a cool idea too. I hope Charlize or Noomi does this.
by darth_kong
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Jun 30, 2011 10:47:22 PM CDT
I think the ELEPHANT TRUNK on the SPACE JOCKEY may be a retractable thing. It might not hang down all the time but may be withdrawn like the Queen Alien's face when she's sleeping...
by darth_kong
Maybe sort of phallic like the male sex organ.
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Jun 30, 2011 10:47:28 PM CDT
Apparently the space jockeys wear suits, too...
by turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy
Remember that rumor? That the elephantine appearance of the jockey is actually just a space suit with the real being encased within, and the 'snout' merely a breathing tube?
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Jun 30, 2011 10:49:44 PM CDT
Let's just hope that they don't levitate like in The Dark Horse comics
by turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy
or wear royal purple tunics as featured in the Alien Harvest script.
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ancient aliens intervene in evolution ect...
Regardless, Im in. The first half of the first Alien movie (up to "here kitty") is better than the rest of the franchise put together. Ridley Scott needs another sci-fi shot; Im sick of CGI robots/dragons/zombie armies/ect... -
Jun 30, 2011 10:53:01 PM CDT
If the Space Jockeys end up having legs then maybe the thing inside the suit is more of a SERPENT...
by darth_kong
I just don't want it end up being like the Aliens in Independence Day.
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the book (which clarke wrote specifically for the movie) does go to saturn whereas the movie goes to jupiter. i forget the reasons why, but not only does it take place near saturn, but when dave goes on his odyssey, he comes to a massive spaceship graveyard.
it's interesting in that it's not a case where the book was written and the movie changed things like what we're used to, but where the movie came first and the book changed things.
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disinfo operation in the universe.
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That's what I thought. It's been so long since I read 2001.
But it would make sense if they find the relics on say a moon of Saturn as the Shadow 19 script has Saturn in it if I remember correctly and the planet of Saturn is worshipped as the god EL or plural ELOHIM in ancient Hebrew I believe.
The idea of Saturn being a place of the Gods makes sense.
The worship of the planet Saturn is the six pointed star of David and Judges wear Black robes which is the worship of the planet Saturn.
Basically I wouldn't be surprised if Saturn shows up in Prometheus.
Thematically it would fit or could make sense.
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The idea of the evidence being found on earth is totally stupid. Like you said, 2001 was a galaxian treasure hunt. First we found the monolith on the moon, which led us to Jupiter...and beyond.
I said above it reminds me of when the X-files went off the rails with the whole Scully finding alien artifacts in Africa bullshit. -
Jun 30, 2011 11:07:32 PM CDT
what a randomly gay conclusion for nasa to come too, FUCK STAR TREK 5
by daniccus
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Jun 30, 2011 11:08:47 PM CDT
Waaaaayyyyy too cool of a premise to be true. I'd be "all in" if it was.
by ninpobugei
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Jun 30, 2011 11:10:33 PM CDT
shoulda finished reading...the vatican angle is still dumb though...i dont like them being called gods either, their just aliens, jockeys of space
by daniccus
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Yeah, the last two leaked pictures makes me think some of this LEAKED SYNOPSIS is suspect.
Here's conjecture.
There MAY BE a battle in the beginning of the movie, like the Shadow 19 script, which takes place on one of the moons of Saturn and during or after the battle they find or stumble upon all these SPACE JOCKEY RELICS and ARTIFACTS.
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Jun 30, 2011 11:12:49 PM CDT
also, the year it takes place doesnt have to match up with our tech, its a prequel to the original movie that took place in 2122
by daniccus
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It sounds really, really weak. Professional writers should be able to do better.
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It seems to suggest a sequel. This was originally to be a two part film. Is that still the case?
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Jun 30, 2011 11:22:14 PM CDT
Well said, Rhuragh. It sounds like Sir Ridley has misunderstood and confused himself. Not surprising when you consider...
by mr. nice gaius
...that he doesn't even understand his own film, BLADE RUNNER. As for this new film (now likely to have been spoiled), I still can't muster much enthusiasm...which is odd because I love the incredible cast that's been put together. Who knows. Maybe Scott has still got a few moves left in him.
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Jun 30, 2011 11:22:25 PM CDT
Here's something else that really bothers me about this leak. There is no mention of any ALTERNATIVE PHYSICS, EXOTIC PHYSICS, or THEORETICAL PHYSICS. My take...
by darth_kong
In that interview with Damon Lindelof, not saying I'm onboard or a supporter of this guy, but he did mention that the script he read and did can I say RETOUCHES on is a FANBOY's dream or something?
THINK. It's easy.
PHYSICS.
What new or crazy ideas in physics will we see?
It doesn't totally matter if they are not 100% correct the idea is your supposed to have fun watching this thing but there's no mention of this anywhere.
You think I'm wrong?
Look at the Shadow 19 script or the Passenger script.
I bet this movie will TOUCH, and I'm not using the word touch lightly, TOUCH on some really cool ideas in science fiction physics and probably factual or theoretical physics.
I think this leak only MUDDIES THE WATER to get people to look in the wrong or different direction to what this movie will ultimately be about. TECHNOLOGY or BIO-TECHNOLOGY if you like.
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Jun 30, 2011 11:23:40 PM CDT
And it better be R-rated as was promised
by turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy
I don't want to see some fucking tiny PG-13 logo in the bottom corner of a Pizza Hut ad two weeks before the release date...
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Jun 30, 2011 11:24:14 PM CDT
I couldn't remember what year the original movies took place in.
by sailor_ripley
Just that Aliens was like 57 years after the first. This just doesn't sound like it will have an Alien feel to it. I was hoping it was more a horror film in essence.
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So how long before Ripley lands on LV-426? The space jockey alien in that ship was petrified like he had been there a half billion years.
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I can assure you that no one at NASA gives any credence whatsoever to that debunked idiocy. It's just a nonsensical conspiracy theory, as useless as any other one. Bigfoot is also not real, by the way.
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Jun 30, 2011 11:30:20 PM CDT
Hey, a similar concept worked wonders for the Indy franchise.
by sailor_ripley
Maybe we find a crystal space-jockey skull.
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Jun 30, 2011 11:33:03 PM CDT
dynamic, 30 years if you go by previous leaked info...
by turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy
or 64 years if you go by the supposed synopsis (2122-2058) Which is completely anathema to what was suggested in the first movie, I agree.
But then that horrible, hopefully fake, Alien Harvest script had the ridiculous explanation that the Jockey had all its skin sucked off for nurients by some strange type of alien that came out its chest, and that it wasn't actually fossilized over time. -
I remember reading that the movie was supposed to feature Saturn as the destination but the special effects depicting it were not satisfactory. Don't know if this is true or not, can anyone corroborate this
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Jun 30, 2011 11:36:20 PM CDT
I hope it's not just the Space Jockeys and there are other races or species in the movie.
by darth_kong
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If we discover the creators of man and our origins in 2058 - maybe we discover our makers technology at the same time in AFRICA then the technology would be developed or found in 2058 so it wouldn't be that far off.... Love the synopsis just watched a special on EGYPTIANS and old sculpture and artworks pre EYGT dipicting SPACE PEOPLE in space suits they worshiped also th first for of cross breeding of species... Crazy concepts are usually based in reality... Remember DIVINCI was thought to be NUTS when he designed the helicopter and submarine... Or the thought of a box that had picture or the picture that captured a moment in life... Sciencefiction is the key to our future and most science fiction sooner or later becomes a reality - the Black Hole was a Hypothesis up until recently proven 2 be a theroy because of technology being able to photograph them... Which by the way I FUCKING love the film THE BLACKHOLE.... as soon as we can fold space and time we might not need to travel LIGHT SPEED cause a a fold is faster from point A 2 B - faster than a straight line at LIGT SPEED...
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didnt see your post - i think fx was done for Saturn but it was not convincing enough, so they changed to Jupiter and clarke maintened sat for the book.
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Bigfoot is definitely real. You take that shit back!!!
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Jun 30, 2011 11:51:05 PM CDT
I wouldn't be surprised if the Space Jockeys weren't from Zeta 2 Riticuli but that's where the Space Jockey artifacts or relics are found...
by darth_kong
http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/06/more-revealing-prometheus-set-photos.html
It's possible. Look at the pics. They could be from anywhere. -
James Hogan's "Giants" series.
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absolutely tinfoil hat wearing, bugnuts insane.
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They find artifacts in africa (ie. the monolith), then mount an expedition to Zeta Retucli (ie. Jupiter), and are then transported further into space to a scary yet fascinating worldworld (ie. thrown through a wormhole/ the stargate to the inter-species 'zoo').
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Jul 01, 2011 12:07:56 AM CDT
Holy Hell!!!! This sounds like complete crap. Ridley should have just made SHADOW 19
by lv_426
or THE FOREVER WAR instead of this.
Surely the visuals will be interesting and great to look at, but this is killing all the mystery of the Alien mythos. Also, more recently PROMETHEUS was sold as a "grand new mythology", yet it sounds just like an Alien Prequel.
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If Prometheus ends up like crap at least there will be the ALIENS Colonial Marines game which I'd rather play and see than Alien 3.
How ya doin man? -
I bet that's the tagline on the poster/trailer.
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Yeah, ALIENS: Colonial Marines sounds amazing. Did you read up on any of the new info about it from E3 2011? Sounds like the ultimate Aliens game.
Also, I was just re-reading the SHADOW 19 script the other day. I still think it could make a nice albeit sneaky tie-in to the Alien series without being too direct about it. The planet Erix, with its deadly and rapidly evolving biomechanical flora and fauna in S19 sounds like it could be the origin planet of the xenomorphs and possibly even the space jockeys. -
That doesn't read like someone who's read the script and is trying to sum it up and leak it, it sounds like someone who's trying very hard to write a synopsis that sounds studio and marketing approved. Obviously it's neither, but that it's making such an effort to come across as such, rather than just being informational, makes me suspect, I call BS on it.
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of an Art Bell conspiracy nut, right down to naming Zeta Reticuli.
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What utter garbage.. if this is real, I'm going to be very, very disappointed in Scott. Scott buys that Erich von Daniken crap? Seriously?
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Interesting merging of 2001 and the Alien mythology. Certainly a lot of room for creativity there. Probably not real though.
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This sounds fucking incredible. Please let this be the actual movie, both in scope and concept. Just... damn.
And a 2001 ripoff? Jesus H, NO IT DOESN'T. Completely different tone and feel. If this is a ripoff of 2001, then there's no need for any more love stories ever again because they've all been done.
I'm not one to usually say this kinda shit, but if a premise like this doesn't get you excited, why are you on this website? THIS is what we fucking live for... isn't it? -
is that it sorta sounds reminiscent of that it's-so-insane-it-can't-be-real Alien Harvest script that was leaked but thought to be a fake.
It sounds like it took some of the basic elements of the Alien Harvest script and possibly rewrote it in a new script, adding the archeological elements mentioned above. -
REALLY...?
Is EPIC SCI-FI ACTION ADVENTURE not like, the best of the best of the best? Or does this need more middle school humor and cars that transform into alien(?) robots...?
How can anyone read something on that scale and go, eh... I could maybe see, "yeah, this has to be fake," but eh?
EH?
This ain't no fucking eh. -
E3.
Yeah ACM does look amazing. I hope it's the sequel to Aliens I always wanted to see.
Some of the ideas sound cool. The Sephora being the sister ship to the Sulaco I think. An Android similar or identical to Bishop called Rook sounds like a cool idea. I also liked the PROPOSED idea of using the display on the control of the Wii U as a Motion Tracker. I hope this happens. So yeah it's exciting to see and hear what this will be or has the potential to be. It sounds like it's being made with the fans in mind.
I definitely think that this is not a trendy thing what Gearbox and Fox are doing and I'm sure it's probably a hint of what the future of movies and video games will become. Hybridized. The game looks and sounds amazing. I hope the bull or rhino alien xenomorph is cool too.
As far as Prometheus is concerned I hope a lot of Shadow 19 makes its way into Prometheus.
All Scott had to do was adapt Shadow 19 for a Space Jockey story without messing around with the story too much and it would be cool but we'll see.
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The problem I have with this Prometheus synopsis is that it doesn't sound all that new or groundbreaking. The old alien gods create/influence man plot has been done to death, and feels out of place for the Alien mythology. It really feels like they hammered it in there kinda sloppily.
Also, it kills all the mystery of the Alien mythology and IMO, kinda shits on the legacy of the first two films. If this first space jockey mission fails, then why did the jockeys let humanity continue to expand into space and start terraforming new worlds (we know they did this due to the terraforming colony in Aliens) for the next 57 plus years? Hopefully Ridley and company aren't going to say that Cameron's film doesn't exist in the official Ridley Scott Alien Canon. Also, if a small crew of humans just wipes out nearly the entire space jockey race (the Gods), then that just seems implausible and makes these so called Gods seem pretty helpless, meaning they will come off as weak villains.
Now, a brand new epic space opera action/adventure film sounds great, but not one that just shoehorns in a Chariots of the Gods plot into the Alien mythos.
This also sounds exactly like it is the Alien Prequel which they said Prometheus had "evolved" away from being at this point, and would be its own thing with a slight hint here or there that it is connected to the Alien series. Weyland Corp, space jockeys, xenomorphs, etc... this is the Alien Prequel. I bet by the time that the teaser trailer is released it will carry the title ALIEN: Prometheus. -
This isn't going to get a good review over at Palin and Bachmann at the movies
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Jul 01, 2011 1:16:20 AM CDT
Hopefully this will be good though, cause I never said I wanted it to be crappy
by lv_426
I mean, Prometheus certainly sounds better than Alien Resurrection, although that one sounded awesome on paper and was flawed once it was put on film (admittedly it has some cool ideas and a few good scenes though). So the fact that this current description sounds kinda off, could just mean that we haven't been given the whole notion of what this film really is just yet. It could also be a fake or a really mistranslated interpretation of what Prometheus is going to be.
Prometheus also sounds like it is heartily embracing the science fiction aspects of the Alien series, which is something that Alien and Aliens did really enthusiastically, while Alien 3 seemed to shy away from it. To me, Alien 3 always felt like an anti-sci-fi movie even though it was set on another planet and took place in the future. That isn't surprising though, since Fincher seems to mostly make contemporary set films and hasn't shown much interest in sci-fi and fantasy.
The less said about the AvP movies, the better. At least the AvP games were fun.
Another thought... maybe if Prometheus successfully re-ignites the Alien mythos, then we could get a sequel down the line that goes all Earth War on us. Maybe even Cameron will help write and produce on a sequel too? Maybe Prometheus, while it might kill the Alien mystery, could also wash out the bad aftertaste of Resurrection and the AvP films. -
I mean it reads like homosexual fan fiction and it would have outright sucked as a movie, with sequences as stupid as the alien laying eggs after knocking off the space jockety on LV 426.
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Aside from terraforming this synopsis doesn't really have much in common with that script.
And I actually liked the Alien Harvest script, it's probably too low key for a studio to invest the funds and the keys to the Alien franchise, but I dug the way the space battle was played out and how sci-fi tech was used, and I dug the origin of the aliens (the hunt for the cat-alien in the hive seemed like it could be a sufficiently tense and creepy sequence). It's been awhile since I read it, but I remember thinking it was a pretty interesting and satisfying read. -
That's what I want.
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The whole thing at the beginning of the synopsis:
Archaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that humans were genetically engineered by a advanced alien race (space jockeys). These "Alien Gods" also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. (I am not putting quote tags on this because they seem to fuck up the comments when I do)
I have to wonder if this is going to actually be a part of the backstory. If so, it would mean that God is a space jockey and we were created by them instead of evolving. Also, what about the dinosaurs? Did the space jockeys kill them off, as well as all the various types of life that evolved between the age of the dinosaurs and the beginning of the evolution of humans? -
Battle Suits vs. Hordes of Xenomorphs on Earth
That's what I want, but I'll probably enjoy seeing some Battle Suits vs. Space Jockeys.
Thing is, do they have battle suits yet? 2058. It might seem strange because even the Colonial Marines in Aliens didn't have them. Unless the Sulaco just wasn't stocked with any battle armor. I suppose the Sulaco was a smaller ship what with its dozen or so crew compliment and only a couple dropships. Maybe the Colonial Marine Corp. has much bigger battleships equipped with more marines and all kinds of other tech like battle suits?
Goddamn. Somebody needs to make a Colonial Marines television series for HBO. If that were to happen, then maybe we'd find out what Arcturian poontang actually is. -
They also said the leaked Wolverine was an early unfinished cut that would in no way resemble the version seen in theaters.
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Jul 01, 2011 1:48:06 AM CDT
What I like about this is us killing the fuck out of our "GODS"
by david cloverfield
A lot more appealing than the usual creationist bullshit.
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Personally, "if", thats the plot i really like the sound of it, thats just a basic overview, obviously it'll be padded out more than that. The thing which i'm really concerned about is can Scott create the same, fucking awesome atmosphere he did with Alien, that bleak, cold, creepy dread which has made Alien such a classic.
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Jul 01, 2011 1:53:25 AM CDT
I wonder if Ridley is setting up Prometheus as both an Alien Prequel as well as a vehicle to do The Forever War as a sequel?
by lv_426
Think about it. The above synopsis mentioned faster-than-light space travel. In The Forever War they do this by using collapsars (wormholes) which cause extreme time dilation between point A and point B (this could explain the gap in time between Prometheus and Alien). Who is to say that in Prometheus, time dilation is not as short as it is in Alien and Aliens, which by then maybe some of the kinds have been worked out in terms of far interstellar travel.
So if this Weyland Corp crew goes and riles up the space jockey race, which implies that maybe a war follows. In The Forever War the enemy is the Tauran race, which are technologically advanced yet the way their tech is described is very bizarre in the novel. Could Ridley adapt the space jockey race into The Forever War by replacing the Tauran race with them?
The xenomorphs could easily just be bio-weapons used by the space jockeys, and maybe also co-opted by the humans, in this big interstellar war. They'd be like tech, indifferent to which race unleashes them (sound like Terminator anyone?).
Also, The Forever War makes reference to an advanced synthetic humanoid race, which could pretty easily be changed to some sort of highly advanced evolutionary form of the human looking androids from the Alien films.
Maybe Scott could sort of make The Forever War some sort of a sequel to Aliens? Although there is a lot of stuff that would have to be changed in The Forever War for it to fit into the Alien universe. I am not sure I'd want them to do that.
And what the hell would they call it? ALIEN: The Forever War sounds silly. Maybe ALIEN: Infinity or something along those lines? Maybe find another Greco-Roman mythological name to use as the secondary title? Especially if Prometheus ends up as ALIEN: Prometheus.
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No 'Yutani'?
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I suppose this is before they merged with Yutani.
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Jul 01, 2011 1:55:48 AM CDT
@turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy Yes there *is* faster-than-light travel in the Alien universe.
by highfunctioningsociopath
DALLAS: How far to Earth? LAMBERT: Ten months. RIPLEY: Christ.
In 2001 and AVATAR they travel in hypersleep at lower than lightspeed, but not in Alien. Even at lightspeed you can't get to even the nearest star in less than four years. The Nostromo may not be the Enterprise or the Millenium Falcon, but it's still travelling at many, many times faster than light. -
Jul 01, 2011 1:57:40 AM CDT
Seriously though, anyone that hasn't already read The Forever War should
by lv_426
Its a great fucking book.
Also, Shadow 19, which is a screenplay not a novel, is freaking awesome as well. I am going to try to find a link to it and post it so others here can download it and know what the fuck darth_kong and myself are talking about. -
http://pdfcast.org/pdf/shadow-19
It appears that you can download a PDF of it, but you have to be a member of the site. Otherwise, you can read it on that site at least. -
The fact that they call their cryogenic slumber in the Alien universe hypersleep makes me think that they are using some sort of hyperspace travel (aka: cheating in science fiction).
It is not a big deal though. Tons of stories have been doing some sort of hyperspace travel since the inception of the genre, especially space opera. I always liked that in the Alien films, interstellar travel wasn't instantaneous like in Star Trek or BSG with their FTL "jumps". It gives the Alien films a false but effective realism and adds to their gritty and plausible feel. -
My feelings are that the Battle Suits, if used, could easily fit into the Alien Mythos.
I don't see it as a big problem.
It would or could even explain Weyland Yutani's foreknowledge of the alien xenomorphs by sending in the colonial marines in the light armor they wore.
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In the films, it never appears that the Nostromo or Sulaco are traveling through space in any special way. In both films we seem to see the ships only when they have just exited hyperspace or whatever it is called, and are drifting slowly through the void. Then the humans wake up when their cryotubes are opened by the ship's computer. I suppose that in the Alien universe that maybe it is dangerous for human beings to be awake and out of their hypersleep tubes when the ship is in hyperspace.
This is also similar to The Forever War. In that novel, the humans have to go into special chambers to protect them from the tremendous g-forces caused by their ship traveling through a wormhole.
So maybe in Alien and Aliens, the reason that the humans have to go to hypersleep is not only because the travel time is still long and filled with boredom, but also for protection against g-forces and whatever other problems that hyperspatial travel causes to the human body? -
I agree. They could still fit in there. Especially if the humans have to go to some inhospitable worlds. It would make sense that they might combine the notion of a space suit with that of futuristic battle armor.
If we see some battle suit action in Prometheus, then I will really start to wonder if Ridley plans to merge The Forever War with the Alien universe. I doubt he waited for so long to finally buy the film rights to The Forever War for nothing. -
Jul 01, 2011 2:40:56 AM CDT
@lv_426 I think hypersleep is just hyper because they're put to sleep for a really long time.
by highfunctioningsociopath
I don't think it's a reference to hyperspace. Having said that, I'm not saying they're not entering hyperspace when they travel (whatever that would mean), but I think they'd still call it hypersleep even if they were put to sleep like that on Earth for some reason.
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Here's the thing I don't think we are also contemplating.
If Prometheus takes place in the same universe as Alien it doesn't have to be a STRAIGHT PREQUEL.
What I am saying is there could be a slight overlap of the stories in the universe.
I don't know. It's possible.
Imagine if Prometheus takes place BEFORE and DURING the events in ALIEN.
This wouldn't surprise me in the least and would be kinda cool.
Listen to the Damon Lindelof, whoever you spell his name, on the alienprequelnews website.
It's a possibility that the events in Prometheus could overlap the events in ALIEN if they are in the same universe.
It probably won't happen but you never know.
OUR CINEMATIC MINDS HAVE BEEN PROGRAMMED BY OUR MASTERS TO BE TOO LINEAR.
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Jul 01, 2011 2:47:49 AM CDT
I'm saying the events of Prometheus could overlap the events in ALIEN.
by darth_kong
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Jul 01, 2011 2:51:20 AM CDT
The derelict that crashed on LV-426 might be one of many "BATTLE WAGONS". A fleet of BIO-weapons if you will.
by darth_kong
Just throwin it out there.
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I am not sure why Kubrick staged the wormhole near Jupiter instead of Saturn, but Clark's novel does indeed put the wormhole near Saturn.
My impression was that it wasn't deemed important to the film. After all, we didn't get to see much of Jupiter either.
With 2001, discussions of what was and what could have been are always difficult. Clark and Kubrick wrote the screenplay and the novel simultaneously. Kubrick cut over an hour of dialogue out the film, and it's unclear whether those scenes were ever shot. Somebody really should go back and investigate the production more fully whilst some of the key players are still alive. -
In fact, I thought I wouldn't like whatever Ridley came up with, but the synopsis seems to fit with his Alien movie very well.
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It may seem trivial to some to miss-spell a guy's name, but there you go. He's not Dutch, he's Swiss.
And BadMrWonka's already hit that nail squarely on the head - his his 'theories' were debunked decades ago. I can't speak for anything the Vatican might give credence to, but I'm fairly certain they have an entirely different notion of who might have provided "a little help along the way"...
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Jul 01, 2011 3:13:14 AM CDT
OMG...Damon Lindelof confirmed Promethius is based on Alien Harvest
by sonicriver
So I read (the script), and like I said it was good! This was not a triage situation. There were really good ideas in that script. (...) So I sent them an e-mail and said I'd read it and here's what I think and here's what I would do if you were interested. (...) So the next morning I get the call: 'We liked your take! Can you come in to Scott Free?'. (...)
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I have no idea what happened to my comment, but basically, Damon gave an interview on the Kevin pollack show where he confirmed that he had based a lot of his script on previous work done by Jon Spaihts. Jon Spaihts was the guy who wrote alien harvest. I would provide the youtube link, but it seems to have killed my last post...
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I think if you go into this expecting it to be another film in the massive Alien franchise you will be really disappointed. It's pretty clear Ridley is making a counterpart to his own film and not considering all the various other sequels, spinoffs, comics, etc.
Also, from the sounds of it, the humans do not kill off the "gods" directly, but they do manage to turn their biotechnology against them, and that biotechnology becomes the Aliens. Surely you don't think the Aliens are incapable of wiping out a race, even a race of so-called gods? The synopsis even said they were what the gods used to cleanse planets (presumably of living beings - Earth's dinosaurs for example?) before terraforming.
It makes sense, but please don't expect this to be some kind of Colonial Marines vs Aliens war type of movie. It's likely going to be a good sci-fi story, but not an action film.
And maybe the aliens=gods thing has been done a lot, but not really in mainstream American cinema, and I for one will be glad to see it happen if this synopsis proves to be correct. -
I hope that this is not true because if it is it sounds soooooooooooooooo HOKEY!
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Some of cut footage was found buried in a sand vault somewhere - around 30 min or so. will try to find something here
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This sounds good to me, it's not the simplistic running through corridors plots that have plagued the sequels so far. You can't rely on rehashing to make a good film.
I look foreward to this one.
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does Ridley make Prometheus in the style of Alien and Blade Runner, or in the 'cut-every-2-seconds' style of every film he's made since Gladiator? Sadly, I think we all know the answer to that one...
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Fucking stoked we're getting a new sci-fi movie from Ridley!
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...Von Danikens ideas used to inspire fiction, because they are just that; total and utter fiction.
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Jul 01, 2011 4:28:08 AM CDT
The old alien gods create/influence man plot has been done to death
by halfbreedqueen2
Uh... not really, actually. In novels, yes. But in movies, usually that idea is more of a throw away thing mentioned at one point but not delved into in any detail. In fact, I keep waiting for a movie to finally take that premise and DO something with it. The closest we get is 2001, and that's clearly a film all of its own. The plot synopsis above, the possibly fake, really makes that idea an important and driving part of the plot. I'd rather see that than another "stranded on..." thing.
As to the original Alien mythos, I don't know. To me, Alien 1979 will always be Alien 1979. Even Aliens doesn't factor in when I watch it. I dunno, but as a fan, I can always separate movies. I mean, The Matrix sequels didn't ruin the first one at all for me like they did for so many other people. And the Alien series is played out to death, so I'd almost rather imagine this as a pretty much "new" property using the alien mythos as only a way to get itself funded.
I'd take even a bloated or "cliche" (though I don't think this idea in cinema is played out at all) but ambitious Prometheus over another Alien retread or a Transformers 3 type farce any day of the week. -
I hope that's not the plot. I like the idea of tapping into the Prometheus story from Greek myth, but I don't want to see any alien 'gods' running around, being 'proud' of their human creations, having banquets and assemblies before they all fall out and start killing each other. I was hoping more for some mad science and two utterly different life forms butting into each other in the depths of space. Then lots and lots of terrifying action and horror. But hey, I'm not making the thing! Still, there's a brilliant cast and a director who has had great success in the genre. I just hope it doesn't turn into some Chronicles of Riddick meets Battlefield Earth, pseudo-religious claptrap.
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Jul 01, 2011 4:33:06 AM CDT
does Ridley make Prometheus in the style of Alien and Blade Runner, or in the 'cut-every-2-seconds' style of every film he's made since Gladiator?
by halfbreedqueen2
Actually Blade Runner is very quickly cut (hell, even most of Alien is...) What you're reacting to is his use of changing up the shutter speed. The actual cutting is only slightly quicker now than the 70s/80s. A lot of people confuse this. It's not so much that shots were held a long time back in the 70s and 80s (certain directors who have that style still do this today), it's that now we fuck with the shutter speed to get that supposed "you are there" feel. You can thank SPR for that.
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I agree with mr soze .
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I think you're confuesing shutter speed with frames per second
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Science and technology don't advance at a constant speed, it jumps. We might discover a way to travel faster than light next week, or we might never discover a way to do it.
We also have no idea what technical hindrances there may be once we discover a way. They might be insurmountable, they might be as simple as strapping some kind of reactor to a DeLorean.
What I’m saying is the time scale for the human race to find a way to travel to the stars is somewhere between 24 hours and never. 47 years is fine.
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But now that I'm here I realize it would be better for me to not read this and just see it when it comes out.
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... I don't suppose Ridley Scott cares, as it's unlikely he'll be here then (unless they preserve his eyeball and brain in a vat of nutritive fluid, and attach a car battery).
It's annoying when sci-fi is set a few decades in the future; you just know FTL travel isn't going to be here by then.
They should've added a century to 'Alien's' timeline, to make it more believable. 1970's truckers in the year 2200 sounds fine to me.
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Unless they discovered notes for a planned Alien prequel somewhere, these attempts to tie the events of the original movie into this new film read more forced than exciting. I'd rather they make a separate film so they're free to unleash something truly epic and original on us.
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If this is a rip-off of 2001, and the theme of being created by aliens was used many times before 2001, than that means 2001 was a rip-off too, by your logic.
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You can't get the old boys in the Vatical to admit using a condom to prevent death by AIDS is a good idea. How the Hell are you going to get them to admit we are the result of an alien science experiment?
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...I can confirm that this is really very much the plot and that a) it is hard science fiction, b) does indeed feature reality shaping cosmic engineering, and c) biological warfare.
Don't ask me how I know, but I do and if you don't believe me (but know anything about the actual production) then the word "Godhead" should be verification enough.
Oh and you are in very safe hands: the production design alone will give you orgasms (and is totally Geiger) and there are direct calls to "Bladerunner" - this is what we've all wanted since 1979!
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Hi everyone,
i me the guy who wrote the detailed outline.
It was written just for me, trying to make sense of what we know so far of the movie.
I posted it on my facebook wall (sorry can't give a link to it as it could bring some bad publicity as i'm working as an artist, in an non english speaking country, and it might scare potential clients) somebody took it and sent it to IO9 and a few other Movie News site.
i'm working on finding who since my wall is locked to friends only.
Major part of my text were deleted, especially the title "Ridley Scott's PROMETHEUS my detailed possible outline" and my take on the ending.
i didn't come clean before because, i tought it would be debunked very fast by offcial and also because i was kinda scared of how it spread so fast over the web. I was also scared that i might be right and spoiled the actual movie story.
I do like what i wrote and hope that the movie will be as epic, but more twisted, less easy than my take.
I know that it created buzz for the movie, people want to know more, wich could be good for Ridley and his crew.
Hope i have not upset too many people.
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Some of you can accept that humans were engineered by an alien race... But not that there could be alien artifacts left on earth? Seriously? If the universe is brimming with potentially thousands of alien races as some like to claim, and possibly hundreds capable of space travel, who is to say any artifacts found are from the "creator" race? Why isn't it possible that Lorax of the planet Jirkoff refused to pay the galactic turnpike fee, took a shortcut, fell asleep behind the (wheel?) and wrapped his flying dingus around a tree in a remote field of the nearest planet? 1000 years later soil erodes from a raimstorm and BAM! Artifact. A "creator" artifact? No, but we'd never know the difference. I'm sure a lot can happen on a planet without a superior race knowing it. If there are really that many different types of sentient life in the universe there have got to be some hillbilly type races too, any one of which could just as easily try to shake hands with a python as one of us. Fuck-uppery knows no one species.
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Jul 01, 2011 8:01:09 AM CDT
arteska - i too felt disappointed with myself after reading it
by cartmanez.
i didnt want to read it but couldnt stop myself..i was like 'nope not gonna read it' then i realised just how long i would have to wait and how the hell i was going to resist not reading it. and then when i read it was fake i read it but i still feel annoyed at myself
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Jul 01, 2011 8:09:28 AM CDT
halfbreedqueen2 - to my knowledge the Alien Gods thing has been done in the following movies
by cartmanez.
2001
BSG
Star Trek V
AvP
Indy 4
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It reminds me of people writing explanations for LOST which turned out to be much better than the what we got. I hope the real plot is half as interesting.
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Jul 01, 2011 8:22:32 AM CDT
soze/cuervojones - maybe this is the real reason Mountains of Madness got canned
by cartmanez.
it def deals along the same themes...but then again when has that ever stopped HW? (2 Robin Hoods in 91, 2 Volcano movies in 97, 2 meteor movies in 98, 2 Mars movies in 01 etc)
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Convicted-and-done-jail-time-for-fraud, con artist Von Daniken? No archeological degree Von Daniken? Creator of the "could it be that..." school of journalism Von Daniken? Really?
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Jul 01, 2011 8:28:28 AM CDT
Technical hindrances to FTL travel...
by has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet
...You mean like having to totally convert enough mass as is contained in the island of Greenland from the surface to 60 miles down completely into energy and to somehow control that amount of energy in order to propel an object the size and mass of an average 6-foot-tall man to relativistic velocities? You mean those kind of technical hindrances? Sure! No problemo, I'm sure we'll have that done in only 40 years or so. (Geez, nerds.)
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Then who was it that got my sister pregnant last year? And why's my new nephew all furry-like?
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remember that awesome PG 13 movie and how it dealt with the aliens having already been on earth all along?
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I was unfortunate enough to land on that Ancient Aliens crap on the history channel a few weeks ago and caught some of his greasy con man schtick. So transparent it's pathetic. I wish he and that Tsoukalos guy would just fuck and get it out of their system.
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Hope this is true
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in a perfect world itd have gone like this:
1979 - Alien
1986 - Aliens
1987 - Predator
1990 - Predator 2
1992 - Alien 3 (set on a blade runner-esque earth with Hicks, newt and Ripley…or even that Wooden Planet thing)
1994 - Predator 3 starring Arnie as Dutch (in the Adrian Brody role) and Danny Glover as Lt Harrigan (in the L Fishburne role)
1997 - AvP (instead of the awful Alien 4 and adapting the original AvP comic mini series, set on an alien planet in the Alien era future maybe with Colonial Marines, hard R rating, directed by a decent director, etc NOT set present day earth with a bunch of crap characters, PG13 and directed by Anderson, LOL)
2004 - Alien 4 (written/produced by Cameron, Directed by Scott - like what was going to happen instead of Andersons AvP)
2012 - Prometheus
also while im at it - 1996 - T3 - the future war all blue night plasma battles, time chamber finale etc. directed by Cameron - starring Michael Biehn, Arnie...cameos from Robert Patrick, furlong and Hamilton -
Jul 01, 2011 8:59:21 AM CDT
Wasn't the crashed ship in Alien old... like really fucking old?!
by spire_walk
...Like so fucking old that the Space Jockey was fossilized?
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Jul 01, 2011 9:13:23 AM CDT
Synopsis is fake: comicbookmovie & comingsoon had this almost a week ago, old news...as usual here.
by arkhaminmate001
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Jul 01, 2011 9:16:16 AM CDT
The space jockey had fossillised in the original movie, which takes thousands of years. Stick to 'Gay Lantern' & Trannyformers' AICN...more your level.
by arkhaminmate001
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Wouldn't you send more than one ship to it's doom?
I love the fact that Ridley Scott is doing something different in the universe he essentially brought to life. Cameron was able to expand on it's window, but then Fox just shat all over it for some reason after the fact (quick money I guess).
I always though if you wanted to boot the Alien vs the "helpless human panties" back up and retain some of that Texas Chainsaw Massacre vibe, couldn't you just have a ghost ship show up at a dry dock?
The fate that was to befall on the Nostromo is now realized and it's in the laps of some descent actors.
Sadly I think those type of Alien movies have run their course by Fox grinding them into a standstill. The AVP series has sucked the life out of the Alien creature's initial dread and it would take a A LIST of experts to revive it successfully, but does anyone even really care to try?
It's sad to see ALIEN reduced to a Abbot and Costello meets the Mummy with these horrible AVP movies after such a unique cinematic entrance in the 70's.
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Jul 01, 2011 9:28:31 AM CDT
NASA and the Vatican agree that it is almost mathematically impossible that we can be where we are today without there being a little help along the way
by spidercoz
That's one of the dumbest damn things I've ever read.
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he was a titan. that's why he could be punished indefinitely by having his liver eaten out every day. a man could not have grown it back every night.
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He'd like to have the uplift saga plot back from Ridley Scott, or at least acknowledgement that, well, you're stealing the shit of one of the best unrecognized sci fi writers out there you hacks.
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Jul 01, 2011 9:38:40 AM CDT
Reads like "Fan Wank" because IT IS... this could only be worse, if he wrote "and then" before each sentence...
by natalieportmansyummyafterbirth
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The only site that received the leaked outline first was IO9. And it was yesterday.
Just check the time and date of each texts.
All other websites just run along.
Check you facts before saying stupid things.
I firmly believe that the leak is geniune.
It's way more intersting than FOX's synopsis, wich BTW doesnt contredict the leak.
Wich is no surprise since it's damage control.
Fox has done it before.
Remember Wolwerine 's leaked workprint?
Fox execs were all over the net saying the final movie will be completely different.
We saw how it turned out.
Deny deny deny...
That's all they can do since they have no ground for a legal action since the leaked text is not Fox property but from what i gather a transcript of chat between members of a foreign prod company involved in the movie.
Oh and now we get the guy's excuses.
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I mean, the game's story is an amalgamation of a million different well-worn ideas, used to better effect in a million different stories people have already mentioned... but the god-aliens, artifact in Africa which points the way to an ultimate destination, and god-aliens creating a sort of "clean-up" race of creatures that they lose control over... I'm ashamed to say Halo was the first thing that popped into my head, as opposed to 2001 or some other far more worthy story.
(And I know that ultimately, the Forerunner probably did not create humans or even the Flood, but that's certainly what the games had us thinking for a long time.)
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Jul 01, 2011 9:49:14 AM CDT
Official SYNOPSIS BELOW... JUST RELEASED BY FOX
by natalieportmansyummyafterbirth
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Jul 01, 2011 9:49:41 AM CDT
@drunken busboy - No facehuggers or chestburstingaccording to Lindhof
by marineboy
States in the interview - why would he lie?
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We have an entire generation of sci-fi that has been far, far too inspired by that crackpot. It's like nails on chalkboard to hear his name mentioned as an inspiration.
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Jul 01, 2011 9:53:10 AM CDT
Visionary filmmaker Ridley Scott returns to the genre he helped define, creating an original science fiction epic set in the most dangerous corners of the universe. The film takes a team of scientists and explorers on a thrilling journey that will test th
by natalieportmansyummyafterbirth
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Well if he was there for that long how come the derelict was no fosilised too?
I'll tell you why?
Because he was not.
The Space Jockey had a "living" biomechanoid suit which "died" and dried on him when he was killed by the huge chestbuster.
As for the actual SJ body under the suit it would not take more than a year or two to decompose. -
Alien originally was to conclude with the destruction of the Nostromo while Ripley escapes in the shuttle Narcissus. However, Ridley Scott conceived of a "fourth act" to the film in which the Alien appears on the shuttle and Ripley is forced to confront it. He pitched the idea to 20th Century Fox and negotiated an increase in the budget to film the scene over several extra days. Scott had wanted the Alien to bite off Ripley's head and then make the final log entry in her voice, but the producers vetoed this idea as they believed that the Alien had to die at the end of the film."
That would have been fucked up as hell. I'm not sure if I like it or hate it. -
Jul 01, 2011 9:54:36 AM CDT
@cartmanez - AVP1 will have nothing to do with this, not even considered part of the canon
by marineboy
again, listen to Lindhof, there will be no connection with the spins offs that sullied this once magnificent legacy
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Maybe you don't realize there are TWO TEXT INPUT BOXES. The first one is for a SUBJECT that is SHORT. The second LARGER BOX IS FOR YOUR ACTUAL COMMENT.
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Jul 01, 2011 9:59:26 AM CDT
Spidercoz, I'll do what I want... when I want... Cunt...
by natalieportmansyummyafterbirth
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douche
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...are descended from the same poor stock of personalities who used to say, "FIRST!" at the top of every board.
In other words, their posts have no value and are a tiresome nuisance.
What's the obsession with "FIRST!"? News is news. It all comes from somewhere before it hits any site. Only one site in the world ever gets a piece if new first. It's interesting news. Wanna be first? Go start your own damn web site and impress us all with your firstiness. -
That's not completely true; Scott suggested it as a laugh, but it was never gonna happen. The entire Narcissus scene was shoehorned into the last days of filming on the last pennies they could squeeze out of the budget. That's why, if you can notice, the Narcissus set is actually a redressed Nostromo bridge set. The 'fourth act' was in every script; it always existed, the difference is there was never that lull in action with Ripley stripping off in any of the prior scripts. The Alien originally just outright attacked but Scott decided to cut off the third act once the Nostromo explodes, have a lull with Ripley catching her breath, and cut the end of the third act into a separate fourth act.
Phew! -
Is this your youtube channel?
http://www.youtube.com/user/spidercoz#
Hope not, because damn dude, you seem poor as hell. I'm sorry for calling you a cunt, maybe I'll send ya 2 bucks to help out your family.. -
some fucking poseur
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Jul 01, 2011 10:09:07 AM CDT
Nope... it's you... LOL... Poor piece of crap...
by natalieportmansyummyafterbirth
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I didn't realize I had a youtube channel filled with shit.
Dude, if that's the best troll you can come up with, I'm sorry I said anything about your posting habits, you're obviously mentally handicapped. It's no fun getting into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. -
Jul 01, 2011 10:13:39 AM CDT
marineboy - not so, i read Scott thought AvP 1 was so awesome he decided to make Prometheus a direct sequel
by cartmanez.
and it will get renamed "AvP: Prometheus" just b4 its release
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Jul 01, 2011 10:13:49 AM CDT
tripped and fell into a nest of raptors, finally crawled out after going total psycho like Samson on a lion thank god...
by alan_grant_lives
anyone seen those pictures of those giant skeltons holding a gun on youtube and the like? I guess they look kind of space-jockeyish
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2058 is perfect considering Alien is set in 2122.
Even if in our own timeline, it is impossible to be that advanced in 2058, we must imagine that Alien-Predator universe is more advanced than us.
The AVP simple timeline to date:
1987 - "Predator"
1997 - "Predator 2"
2004 - "Alien vs. Predator"
2005 - "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem"
2010 - "Predators"
2058 - "Prometheus"
2122 - "Alien"
2179 - "Aliens" and "Alien 3"
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I had poo-pooed it for years for some reason, then bought the Blu-ray set about a week ago. Suddenly decided to give it a shot.
Was pleasantly surprised. Although the film runs six minutes shorter, I don't think they killed the atmosphere quite as much as many believe. The additional footage was mostly great, although the Alien-reveal being a little earlier was a little lame.
Anyway, think I may watch that cut from here on out. Love that they extended some of the shots of the Space Jockey.
And yes, he was totally fossilised. -
A century exposed to a thin, dry atmosphere will evaporate most of the volatiles out of a body, leaving something that looks fairly mummified and ancient.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBSf6ooInJg
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http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryRoom.asp?GSub=37499
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Ridley says the Theatrical is the real version.
I agree. I don't like the Director's cut.
They shortened some of the stuff that makes the first one awesome.
Brett searching for the Alien is all wrong. Sure, they show a pointless
brief shot of the alien hanging but the other cut that went on longer
and shows Brett cooling off under the moisture dripping is better.
Plus it's slower and it makes the ship look more huge.
The high shot looking down on Brett makes the ship look smaller
in the director's cut plus the ratio is wider and actually shows some
stuff we should NOT even be seeing... Like the Jockey scene.
When it zooms out you can see on the right and left the actual ends
of the set, where it ends. I don't know how they left that in.
The cocoon sequence and the alien signal discovery don't work.
They slow the film down and don't go with the flow.
And they didn't even fix the damn Ash head swap!
You'd have thought they would at least fix that because it's really
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Oh come on, this is the plot of every 1950's B-grade sci fi flick.
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seriously....cry cry cry. whine whine whine.
Seriously, concerned Scott is basing his fictional mythos on another person's fictional ancient astronaut mythos?
STFU
Sounds great.
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It's be another thing altogether if it was Cameron returning to this mythology. The Alien Gods resigned/seeding humanity doesnt bother me as an idea itself. I just think it's a HUGE mistake to "explain" the alien/xenomorph mythology too much (ie mitochlorians)...
This needs to be CREEPY, claustrophobic... etc. and of course it it requirres the xonomorphs. If Scott thinks anyone (fanboys or not) are going interested in anything BUT that element he's deluding himself.
After his last couple of films (Robin Hood, Kingdom of Heaven) I'm more concerned that Scott's lost interest in recreating what made Alien the classic it is. As others have said: it's Lovecratian clautstrophoic atmosphere.
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Oh, so this is a fantasy? Because we'll never see science conquer superstition.
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Jul 01, 2011 11:39:24 AM CDT
did anyone actually get their eyeballs fucked by AvP 2....AT THE CINEMA?
by cartmanez.
im as big an Alien and Predator fan as the next guy and i waited for it on dvd. I did see AvP 1 at the cinema though.
its crazy to think they actually bothered to make AvP 2. i thought the last shot of AvP was just supposed to be a joke. like 'lol its the Predalien' didnt actually expect them to make a (bad) movie of it
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to me the Alien storyline was finished after Alien(S). Alien 3 though was acceptable enough to end it I suppose but didn't care for it.
But the subsequent Alien resurrection and AvP films have been pure trash to me.
The only other Alien film I wanted to see after Cameron's take was his proposed team up with Scott and the aliens coming to Earth. Seemed the logical progression to the storyline.
But prequels are tricky.
I'm hoping for the best with this.
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Pitch perfect explanation on how technological advancements can occur. And for whoever said there was no light travel in the Alien universe, you are wrong. Alien the illustrated story depicted hyperspace travel.
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Just another huge, overproduced "epic," which, if that's the case, would be better left to another director. Scott seems to lose his heart/soul when he does those. And no, I wasn't a huge fan of Gladiator.
If Scott's going to go back to the Alien universe it NEEDS to be dark, claustrophobic, paranoia inducing mind fuck -
Jul 01, 2011 12:21:35 PM CDT
What the fuck? PIRATES IV is about to cross $1 billion globally?
by the_choppah
These are insane times, folks.
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Jul 01, 2011 12:32:29 PM CDT
I'd watch a fucking Snuff film if Ridley was attached to it..
by conspiracy
honestly, I might watch it anyway...but with Scott directing it'd have a better than average chance of being something truly special.
If Scott is at the top of his game...this film might wash out the Avatar Spunk out of my eyes. -
I'm beyond fired up for this project, but I wish I hadn't read the synopsis.
Fuck me, I wanted to be as unspoiled as possible. -
Jul 01, 2011 1:04:27 PM CDT
Nobody stress the synopsis. I bet you 5 dollars it will be better than Alien 3.
by darth_kong
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It's not been there a century, it's been crashed there for eons.
If they're retconning that, Fox and Ridley Scott can eat a bag of dicks. That was all part of "Lovecraft in Space" theme the movie was going with. Ancient, dead civilization wiped out thousands upon thousands of years ago with an ancient bio-weapon resting on-board, waiting for someone to come along and unleash it.
Like I have pointed out time and time before, Fox has this uncanny ability for not only ruining a franchise, but time-traveling back to ruin everything you liked about the previous installments.
Look at Aliens. Your movie experience is permanently ruined by the existence of Alien 3. No matter how great Aliens is, you watch the ending knowing that ALL of them but Ripley die in the first 5 minutes of the next film for a pointless reason. Everything that Aliens accomplishes is destroyed for shits and giggles in Alien 3.
Fox, not having been satisfied that there was still one movie in the franchise not ruined, gets destroyed by the prequel. -
After all the confusion?
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Jul 01, 2011 1:20:30 PM CDT
choppah - somewhere in another universe Star Wars VII directed by Steven Spielberg is crossing the $1b mark
by cartmanez.
slotting in currently at no 7 in the all time hits inbetween Richard Donners Superman Returns (2006) starring Christopher Reeve and Indiana Jones and The Tomb of the Gods (1994)
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and all the fake ambiguity about whether it's a prequel. It's just like all that bullshit Scott cooked up with Deckard being a replicant. Such a bunch of fucking bullshit. Ridley Scott hasn't made a good movie in years and he hasn't worked in this genre in forever and he's overrated and this movie will suck.
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I recall them saying it looked as if it had been there for eons but nobody actually had proof. But then again, it's been a while since I watched it, I may be mistaken. Beyond that I agree with you. I'd love to see the alternate reality Alien 3 that actually continued the story set up in the previous film.
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those are some of my favorite movies right there
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I think it was more of a fluke that Ridley Scott made any good movies at all. And there was plenty more to hate about Blade Runner than that.
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1979 - Alien
1986 - Aliens
1987 - Predator
1990 - Predator 2
1992 - Alien 3 (set on a blade runner-esque earth with Hicks, newt and Ripley…or even that Wooden Planet thing)
1994 - Predator 3 starring Arnie as Dutch (in the Adrian Brody role) and Danny Glover as Lt Harrigan (in the L Fishburne role)
1997 - AvP (instead of the awful Alien 4 and adapting the original AvP comic mini series, set on an alien planet in the Alien era future maybe with Colonial Marines, hard R rating, directed by a decent director, etc NOT set present day earth with a bunch of crap characters, PG13 and directed by Anderson, LOL)
2004 - Alien 4 (written/produced by Cameron, Directed by Scott - like what was going to happen instead of Andersons AvP)
2012 - Prometheus
also while im at it - 1996 - T3 - the future war all blue night plasma battles, time chamber finale etc. directed by Cameron - starring Michael Biehn, Arnie...cameos from Robert Patrick, furlong and Hamilton
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You mentioned some other alien gods movies, but forgot the one that really uses the Chariots of the Gods concepts as its major theme.
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...Everybody's got one and this site is fucking FULL of them.
I love how all you nerds, in between rounds of video games and jacking off to internet porn, feel justified enough to start ripping this movie to absolute shreds after reading ONE synopsis, which may or may not even be legit.
That breakdown, if true or even somewhat close, actually sounds like a wickedly smart, original plotline to use as an Alien prequel. From just those two paragraphs, it sounds very much like the "hard science fiction" (not hard science, as one of you put it) film that Scott said he was going to make. The idea of going not only to the homeworld of the jockeys/Alien gods/whatever aboard the Prometheus, but also to another far-flung planet that they are likely terraforming opens up the universe so much and allows for so many more story possibilities that the original films simply did not have. I would be really surprised if this outline isn't dead-on: Prometheus stole fire from the gods; someone from the Prometheus is going to steal the space jockeys terraforming fire. Very clever.
The jockey was obviously a huge part of the original film that was glossed over and never touched on again in the anthology. When the rumors first started flowing about this project, Scott stated that it would involve the space jockeys to whatever extent and explain in some way exactly how their ship came to be on LV-426. Using them as not only the architects of Earth and all humanity but also as the creators of the xenomorphs is a really clever way of tying all three together while allowing for the idea that inevitably all creations rise up against their creators. Also, having them be not only hyperintelligent world-creators but also as "ruthless conquerors, destroyers of worlds" is a VERY interesting spin to make -- sounds a lot like the way humanity has evolved right here on Earth.
Or it could be a totally bogus description and take place entirely on board a ship called Prometheus, which could be cool too.
But to sit there and write shit like, "Ohhh, that's so stupid, they're killing all the mystery of the Alien mythos," "That Erich von Daniken guy is a fraudulent kook," or "It sounds just like Aliens vs. Predator" is retarded. Just because they MIGHT be touching on ideas that van Daniken has written about (and, if you think about it, probably in very different ways -- I don't think he ever wrote about a spaceship called Prometheus or terraforming space jockeys) or explaining the origins of the Aliens doesn't NECESSARILY mean it's going to be a piece-of-shit, ill-conceived film on par with Green Lantern. Maybe just wait and see what Ridley and company have got in store before shooting your mouths off, because that synopsis sounds pretty stellar.
Oh, it's gonna be in 3D, too. Let's all start bitching about that now... -
This does sound a bit like Halo, which to be fair took a lot of elements from the Alien films, so it is not like I would claim Halo as some grand original story against Alien(s). I remember people saying that Avatar stole from Halo because some of the vehicle concept art leaked before the film came out were similar to something one might see in Halo. Of course, Halo took so much stuff from Aliens it isn't even funny.
As for the Forerunners, I think they were an advanced humanoid race whose last remaining survivors merged with primitive humans. They definitely visited Earth though, as evidenced by the artifact in Africa from Halo 3. -
Jul 01, 2011 2:33:55 PM CDT
I'd have preferred Predator 2 with Arnold, actually...
by turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy
or an adaptation of the Dark Horse comics series with Dolph Lundgren as Dutch's brother as a cop in New York.
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3D sucks.
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The first few Dark Horse Predator series were not too bad. It is a shame that Arnold never did another Predator though. Whether that ended up as Predator 2 or 3, it still would have been cool to see instead of Predators.
The more I think about it, Predators should have had no humans in it, but instead focused on a Predator rite of passage or something along those lines. It could have been set on a hostile alien world, and could have all new beasts for the Predators to hunt. I think that would have been very unique actually, instead of just throwing a bunch of humans in again to be the prey. -
Jul 01, 2011 2:40:18 PM CDT
When I was younger I always thought PREDATOR vs. RAMBO would have been fun to see
by lv_426
John Rambo would actually make a pretty good opponent for a Predator.
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And therefore no dialogue (well, except subtitled alien lingo)? That would have been very strange. But Predators was awful, so it probably would have been better regardless.
If Arnold had done Predator 2 it would have been great, but there might also have been no Total Recall. And I wouldn't want to give up that.
T3 was supposed to follow on from the 3D theme park attraction T2: Battle Across Time, which came out in 1996. It might have come out in 1999 or so if they had opted to do it.
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i knew i was forgetting something
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Maybe that's why the corporation is so obsessed with Aliens, not to make weapons but maybe the Aliens are a key to finding the other alien home worlds or "paradise". That's a pretty cool concept that doesn't really effect the original story line at all.
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I really dig the concept and would love to see that happen - but stories that cool never get made. Some guy in a suit and tie always ruins them.
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Well-played -- I've been told. That's right up there with lv_426's claim that "3D sucks." What stunning insights.
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FOX cant delete it from everywebsite as then wed all know it was true (and they couldnt do it anyway as its like everywhere now). so they get someone to debunk it as a prank, put out the official vague synopsis (which sounds like the supposed fake one anyway) and hope for the best
i REALLY wish i hadnt read it as i wanted to remain spoiler free. FUCK!
i hope they dont go crazy and try to change stuff as the story sounds pretty awesome as it is.
gonna try to forget i read it
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What makes you say there was no faster than light travel in the Alien universe? I don't think they were ever clear on that point. All they have shown is that it takes " Months ". That's a lot faster than slow boats to the stars. Even at the speed of light the nearest star is some 4 YEARS away. When they were returning from Zeta 2 Reticuli they said " !0 months " to get back to earth. That system is 39 light years away. Who's to say how long it would take even faster than light ships? So sleeper ships might still be needed.
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Can't wait, really can't!!
PROPER SCI-FI :) -
I wasn't serious about the 3D. I actually enjoy 3D when it is done well.
As for Prometheus, I certainly want it to be amazing, its just that some of the plot elements seem a bit out of place for the Alien universe.
I would guess that everyone who is a fan of this series probably has their own personal "perfect sequel" idea though. I realize that what I want will not necessarily line up with what Ridley Scott is doing, so I will remain optimistic. I hope PROMETHEUS is amazing and mindblowingly terrifying, just like ALIEN was the first time I saw it. -
Move forward and stop inventing backstory so you can cash in. Is anyone else tired of this crap?
Now if Prometheus is a situation where the jockeys show up to clean up the CORPORATION'S MESS and reveal a bit of backstory while moving the franchise and mythos forward, then I'm game...but enough of making a movie based on a single still of a dead space pilot... -
I think that T3 with Cameron didn't happen because he had all those marital problems with Linda Hamilton and left her to shack up with Suzy Amis.
It probably left a bad taste in his mouth. -
Damon Lindelof is to great storyteller
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Ned Stark is to great decapitee...that should be a word.
BAH, MFer will not steer us wrong! Plus, he has a hatch in his house...who the fuck does that?
Oh yeah, me. -
Jul 01, 2011 6:16:12 PM CDT
Let's just hope this doesn't go the "Midichlorians". Nothing like turning a poweful myth into MITOCHONDRIA.
by boober
Mitochondria by any other name is still mitochondria...and the dumbest decision ever.
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Scott's directing output has been far less than stellar the past 10 years.
I'm highly skeptical of building the story around the Space Jockey.
Could be a stinker, just sayin. -
Jul 01, 2011 7:16:33 PM CDT
Scott's Direction has Been Great The Last 10 Years
by raskolnikov_was_framed
I'm sorry which of his movies since Gladiator had bad performances, looked terrible, were composed poorly, or suffered from anything that can be attributed to the director? you might not have liked the script or the dialogue or the storylines to his recent films but until I see you point me to a film that has the title card Written and Directed by Ridley Scott I think we can stop with the nonsense that he's all of a sudden a slipping director
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I don't get why people don't like it... it fits everything together amazingly and there is tons of scope for awesome scenes...
I think if you're messing around complaining about the scientific details then you're missing the point - this plot is a tool to show us epicness on the screen -
I mean, you have space marines going to Arcturus (36 light years) and coming home--and none of 'em were old, and they traveled on multiple missions with no sense that hundreds of years were passing on Earth.
Ripley was in a FTL-less survival pod drifting for fifty years or something, but clearly she thought that under ordinary circumstances she'd travel to another star system and get back to her daughter before said daughter was a grandmother. That would require FTL to be even marginally plausible, really. -
Now I've done it. Guess I'll have to do the whole thing.
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Jul 01, 2011 11:04:25 PM CDT
Sounds really dumb. Too much wedged in before the first 'Alien'.
by kevred
Come on. In 'Alien' everything is brand new, it's the complete and utter shock of a very ordinary human expedition coming into contact with the complete unknown.
Now we're to believe that before this, humanity was in touch with some kind of alien god-race and multiple strains of weird Alien creatures bouncing back and forth between the two?
This is why prequels don't work.
This could very easily be a SEQUEL to the original couple of Alien films - or even to the original film. Taking humanity, with a glimpse of these monsters, to the outer reaches of the unknown. Why try to go back and shoehorn this in before the original story? It only diminishes what's already been done.
Though it still sounds better than the completely worthless Alien 3 & 4 and all AVP nonsense. So if it wipes the slate clean of those embarrassments, so much the better. -
Jul 01, 2011 11:53:38 PM CDT
kevred - This could very easily be a SEQUEL to the original couple of Alien films - or even to the original film. Taking humanity, with a glimpse of these monsters, to the outer reaches of the unknown. Why try to go back and shoehorn this in before the or
by lv_426
This is what bothers me the most about this prequel storyline. It is not so much that I don't think it is a cool concept for a story, but for the most part it just doesn't seem like it should lead up to Alien, nor should a lot of this "space jockeys create mankind" stuff be in there. I am cool with them having the humans find some artifacts that lead them to another world and the space jockeys, but to go so far as to have the entire human race as a creation of the space jockeys seems like too much of a stretch.
It also starts to stretch a bit of the plausibility and gritty cinematic world that was so nicely established in Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3. Resurrection kinda bungled that aspect and AvP went too far into sillyville. Thing is I think the reason that Ridley coming back on board was considered by many as such a big deal was that he would actually re-establish some of that "space trucker" feel and bring a more dreadful and sinister atmosphere back to the series.
Also, these ancient aliens create or influence humanity concepts are used a lot for backstory. What I'd actually like to see is an epic film that deals with this stuff but takes place entirely in the past during which these alien gods are on Earth interacting with or manipulating humanity.
Watching shows like Ancient Aliens on the History Channel (yes I know its a lot of BS, but it is fun to speculate and let the imagination run wild in a "what-if" scenario), makes me think that there could be tons of cool sci-fi action/adventure epics made that could be fused with ancient mythology. There are the Annunaki, reptilian humanoid gods, the Nephilim, etc... that are sometimes theorized to have been extraterrestrials. Just the idea of the Nephilim alone could be fun in a sci-fi setting, basically hybrid humanoid aliens rebelling against their creators and becoming fallen angels among mankind. -
Jul 02, 2011 1:42:36 AM CDT
I didnt' really like any of his recent films
by winona_ryders_pussy_juice
You can jerk off to the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven all you want, but I say it SUCKS! Well, it's mediocre.
American Gangster : Mediocre
Body of Lies : Mediocre
Robin Hood : Mediocre -
Jul 02, 2011 3:02:06 AM CDT
So it's based on some kind of 'quack atheist spirituality' about aliens creating humanity?
by johnno
The fact that a number of scientists are actually going that desperately far to attempt any explanation for the utter failure to explain life and existence through the naturalist and evolutionary box they've put themselves in is lol-worthy; then again atheists high of bunk science has always been lol-worthy. Lucky for them the secular media, eager to find any superstitious spiritual alternative to Christianity placates the public with more of this wacky nonsense...
But then again this is a fantasy movie about aliens and facehuggers designed based on the sex/horror stylings of H.R.Giger so I'll still be there to check this out if it brings the aliens and sci-fi horror entertainment in 3-D. But God help those who actually take any of the ideas it presents so seriously... It's alright to enjoy some intriguing yarns and discuss geeky details about fake realities and universes, but some of you need to know where facts end and where fiction begins. -
Jul 02, 2011 3:17:43 AM CDT
Uh, I don't care about von Daniken but this sounds fucking amazing.
by reflecto
Unfortunately it surely won't keep what really got me about the Alien Harvest script aside from the terraforming angle, which fortunately has been retained - the gay male leads. That was a huge leap forward.
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100% Scott certainly has not slipped in the sense that he has become a shitty director compared to his past glories ala Lucas.
But that being said his last couple of films have been fairly forgettable. Imho Scott was fucking awsome in the late 70s early 80s (duelists, Alien, Blade runner), and then he started to make style over substance films like someone to watch over me, Legend (I will never understand the love this film gets), and black rain.
He briefly returned to form with Thelma and Louise, and then proceeeded to produce his worst films imho, gijane, white Squall, 1492....
Now none of these films are terrible, in fact they all have good things about them and I even like some of them, but I dont see how you can call any of them truly good films when compared to Alien or Blade Runner.
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tor (I dont understand the modern fandom perception that its now an overrated piece of shit..but then there is little about modern fandom I understand), and then followed that with the equally awsome BHD.
Its just too bad that Scott made the very bad decision to make Hannibel....what a piece of shit....up there with gijane and Legend as his weakest...But in Scotts defence the source material was crap too....
I think Matchstick men was actually pretty good, and the directors cut of KOH (the theatrical cut not so much) was almost a damn classic...its just too bad about putting Orlando plank of wood Bloom in the lead...almost ruins the film, but there is way too much awsome otherwise for it too matter.... -
RB...now I am going to be honest and admit that this last string Of films I had to go look up, because even though I saw them all, and none are bad films, I found them all very forgettable...I sometimes think Scott is a little too prolific ala Speilberg. I wish he would rather only make a film when something truly worthwhile comes along, but alas he seems to always want to be making a film, and looking at his filmography in total, i would say thats a bit of a problem given how I could nt even remember some of these films even though I have seen them all (I will always make a point of watching a Scott film as they are alwyas beautifully filmed, and will alwyas have something worthwhile about them)...
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hate the whole prequal thing. ever since TPM Hollywood has felt the need to make a prequal to everything...nevermind that prequals suck by definition because we already know how everthing turns out and all too often they end up totally demystifying great chracters...im looking at you darth vader/annie (sic)
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something different here, Scott seems to be aware of the problems inherent to prequals, and I would be lying if I said that this project has not seriously piqued my interest.
My one and only real big concern is Lindelof having rewritten the script given that he was one of the brain trusts behind JJ'S TREK , and fuck me did that have a dumb script.... -
No sentence starting that way is going anywhere smart or good.
By the way the Vatican doesn't believe in ancient astronauts and neither does Nasa.
Van Daniken is a fun mythology but totally full of shit.
Sounds like Scott has been playing too much assassin's creed. -
Jul 02, 2011 8:40:44 AM CDT
Is he talking about the Assassin's Creed sequel or the Alien sequel?
by menacingphantom
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Jul 02, 2011 3:55:00 PM CDT
So if humans needed help...who helped the superior alien race?
by cgih8r
just sayin. It doesn't make sense. Listen to "rhuragh" he gets it.
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But we got it anyway. Just would have taken longer otherwise.
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on his way to earth, or some human outpost to wipe it out with the face hugger cargo? Was this Space Jockey, the one mentioned that is on a mission to wipe out the human race? It seems to tie in nicely.
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EXACTLY! and btw gladiator wasn't that great either. at the time people thought it was weak and Joaquin Phoenixs' performance laughable. it started becoming "better" on repeat viewings and when it was against crouching tiger hidden dragon at the oscars , just cuz people wanted a "hollywood" movie. but most thought it was lame at first.
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