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Horror Film News from FANGO CON. Including: PITCH BLACK, FREDDY VS JASON, JASON X, (Especially JASON X) and more...
Hey folks, Harry here with a ton of horror film news and rumors to sprout out of FANGO con this weekend. There is an especially heavy dose about JASON X... which comes from not only Sean Cunningham, but the New York Breakdown sheet that is included down below. Also... be sure to goto Savini.Com and sign up to give your support to Sex Machine/FX God... Tom Savini to direct this latest installment of the FRIDAY THE 13th franchise.... I did.
Hi,
Call my by the scooper name fango
I went to the fangoria weekend of horrors in ny and friday the 13th creator
sean cunningham was there. He said the plot of jason x will be this....
It will take place 400 years into the future where earth is gone and a group
of explorers discover a capsule containing a woman and a creature(one with a
hockey mask!!!)they decide to take it to their station and all hell breaks
loose with jason.
The movie starts shooting in march.
Also lost boys 2 is in the works the
director of an indie horror film called Cold hearts is wrote a script for the
sequel which joel schumacher and wb are considering.
Bye,
Now for a bit more detail, let's go to Frank 'TJ' Mackey...
hey Harry,
I thought you might want to let the people that check out
your site know something about the next Friday the 13th
sequel,Jason X. New Line Cinema has let producer Sean S.
Cunningham's production company go ahead with JX,while
they continue trying to get Freddy Vs. Jason together.
Once Jason X is completed New Line will pick it up for
distribution. Today at the Fangoria convention in New
York,Cunningham told what Jason X is about--
400 years in the future,Earth has been abandoned.Alien
explorers land on Earth and check around.They search the
surface for life and come across a series of tunnels that
lead into an underground facility. There they find 2
cryogenically frozen objects. One is a human female,the
other is Jason himself. Jason ends up thawed out and
all hell breaks loose.
Pre-production on the film has already started,focusing
mainly on digital effects.Shooting is scheduled to begin
sometime in the next month.The film is supposed to be
released in October,probably Friday October 13th.James
Isaac,director of The Horror Show (House 3) is directing.
He also did the effects for eXistenZ and Deep Star Six.
Cunningham said the film will have over 250 digital effects
and will redefine the horror genre.
--Call me...Frank T.J. Mackey
And here's the official New York breakdown for JASON X! Also... be sure to click on my SAVINI link to join his petition to become director of... JASON X...
I've been visiting your site for a while and ran across something that I
thought might be of interest. It's a wierd item culled from the New
York breakdowns sent out 1/18/00. I don't know how you'll verify this
'cause you don't know who I am, but...here it is.
TO ALL TALENT REPRESENTATIVES
CRYSTAL LAKE ENTERTAINMENT
“JASON-X” - FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 10
FEATURE FILM
DEL'D IN NY Tue., Jan. 18, 2000, Vol. 2000, #0118:
Producer: Noel Cunningham
Executive Producer: Sean Cunningham
Director: Jim Issac (HARRY NOTE: However, right now... Tom Savini is currently campaigning to become the director of this film. And frankly... I'd have to agree. Savini is.. simply the god of this particular franchise. And... would deliver such a fantastic array of deaths that we mere mortals would have to simply cower, followed by levitation from our seats to a full on STANDING OVATION! CLICK HERE and sign on board to help secure Tom Savini his rightful place as director extraordinaire of JASON X. He'll do it with passion and flair.
Casting Director: Robin Cook
NY Casting: Kim Miscia
Start: Early 3/00
Location: Toronto
WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS IMMEDIATELY TO: KIM MISCIA
ILENE STARGER CASTING
1220 BROADWAY - SUITE 801A
NYC 10001
STORYLINE: The year is 2455. Professor Yilo and his students are on a
field trip to the old planet Earth where they
discover a tunnel containing two frozen bodies. A girl and Jason
Voorhes, the killer from the first 9 Friday the thirteenth
movies. The team brings the bodies back to their spaceship in the hopes
of resuscitating them and, you guessed it,
Jason returns to his murderous ways in space.
NOTE: That this is a campy update on the original which constantly
spoofs itself. Also note that actors will not be
required to do nudity, body doubles will be used.
[RIZZO] Female. Ages 19 to 24. She is the frozen girl from earth who,
when thawed by the scientific team, is as smart,
courageous, pretty, curious, and concerned as she was in her prior
life...LEAD
[DELONGPRE] Male. Ages 19 to 24. He is a leader among his peers.
Handsome and smart, Delongpre is fascinated
by Rizzo, his love interest...SUPPORTING
[KAY-EM] Female. Ages 19 to 24. She is a gorgeous science droid with a
sexy, athletic build and a very human
personality...SUPPORTING
"Junior, the brown-eyed superhero."
And now... the exhaustive report from the ex-Sgt Stacy Keach and now MR. IGUANA.... Heeeeeeere's Mr Iguana...
Hey Harry! Mr. Iguana here. Yesterday I spent seven hours at Fangoria's
Weekend of Horrors and I just thought I'd fill you and everybody in on all
the exiting horror news and special screenings! And stick with me because
there's some serious news to report. The long day started with a half hour
of "Morbid Movie Previews"! Of course it really started with an hour of
chain-smoking in 20 degree weather outside New York's famous New Yorker
Hotel talking about the fact the Bruce Campbell was not attending the
convention! So as you can tell the horror started early for Mr. Iguana who
had a 30 pound bag full of Bruce Campbell stuff that, I guess, will go
unsigned for at least another long year. I'm talking original Evil Dead
tapes!! I get choked-up just thinking about it. Oh well, what can you do. At
least we'll get a new weekly half hour show out of the guy. I forget the
name of it though. That makes me sad. I'll have to look into that. And to
make it worse Fango posted this pix of another convention in which Sam Raimi
and Campbell appeared together. I stood in front of it for 20 minutes asking
it to sign my tapes, that is until security removed me from the floor. Oh
poo!
Okay so the highlight of the previews was a little film that will be coming
soon to less discriminating video stores near you titled "Leprechaun in the
Hood" staring Warwick Davis and Ice Tea! I'm not kidding, it was a riot! I
don't know if anyone knew about this one. It sure came as a shock to me! I
wish they would have called it "Leprechaun 5" though. I hate they way they
title sequels these days. That's pretty much it for trailers except for the
fact that everyone booed Scream 3. I don't know why. The trailers were
followed by a "Subspecies" reunion that blew! Anders Hove didn't talk and
Denice Duff bored the audience stiff. What was that about?!
At around 2:30 out came the cast and crew of the new space epic "Pitch
Black"! This was one of the highlights of the day. Director David "The
Arrival" Twohy, actress Radha Mitchell, Vin "Iron Giant" Diesel, Keith "The
Thing" David, and Cole "Good Will Hunting" Hauser. They announced that there
would be a FREE screening of "Pitch Black" at a New York theater after the
show! I lunged at the stage and ripped the tix out of the hands of editor
Tony Timpone before he knew what was happening. Free is free after all. And
if the hype was true it was to be quite a thing. And it was, but later for
that. So the cast and crew showed the trailer and a ten minute "making of"
that was as entertaining as it was informative. Nah, who am I kidding it was
just the trailer 3 more times, but that was enough for me. Sold! After
getting Vin Diesel's autograph I was done for a while. Besides, the guy in
front of me had him sign about ten different "Iron Giant" stills and that
had me spinning. I didn't think of bringing anything "Iron Giant" related.
Stupid me!
So after a quick stop at the free table I figured I should lay low for a
while. After all I did open my bag wide while a friend lifted the table up
from one end allowing the wide array of crap to pore into my bad filling it
bigger than my nicotine addiction. What will I ever do with 1500 "Lost
Souls" pentagram temporary tattoos and 27 boxes of "Girl, Interrupted"
Tampax Tampons? I'll find a use. So three cigs and a 2 for 2 later it's time
for Eric Mabius who is the new crow. What a joke! This guy can't pass for
the crow! But, it's not like he gets top billing on the poster! Uh, why
bother.
4:15 in the PM and it's time for surprise guest: Michael "Blair Witch"
Williams who wasn't really a surprise to me because they announced him a
week ago. Anyway, the most interesting thing he said was that several
different endings were shot for "The Blair Witch Project" because the studio
didn't think people would get the "in the corner" ending. They shot Mike
hanging, hovering and the funniest of all: Mike crucified on a giant stick
figure! Wow! What's that about? I sat for an hour waiting to be called into
the autograph hall. All the while I was trying to think of the best annoying
thing to make Mike do. Of course I wanted a picture but it had to be special
because Mr. Iguana loves to make problems for himself. I wanted to get him
in the corner but that didn't sound to original and I didn't really want the
back of his head. I finally stood face to face with Mike after my long wait.
He signed my DVD and I asked him for a pix. What to do what to do? He stood
up and I handed my camera to my friend. I said, "Dude, I'm totally insane so
I want a picture of me handing you a few cigarettes." He said that that was
a cool idea. I didn't know if he understood me so I looked him right in the
eye and said, "You know, because you ran out of them in the movie." He
laughed and claimed to understand. So I pulled three Marlboros out of a pack
and he pretended to take them. I thought that would be all until I felt his
head rest firmly on my right shoulder! I looked over and his eyes were
crossed and his jaw was wide open. Snap! He shook my hand and walked away.
Finally a man who understands addiction.
5:15 came a strange thing. You see Linda Blair has dragged herself away
from her busy film career to grace the screen with a "Blair Witch" spoof
titled "The Blair Bitch Project". What the fuck? The 20 minute short film
was screened in full. What the fuck? Now even though Linda was a real
premadonna at this show I still busted a gut at this spoof. She's selling it
on a website but she doesn't deserve a plug since she refused to answer any
exorcist questions because she's moved on to bigger and better things and
doesn't need her fans. Whatever. But for real, she laughed whenever someone
asked a exorcist question and would not answer. What is that Jimmy? I mean,
what is that? But the short is funny none the less. I would have paid 20
bucks for it if she hadn't pissed me off so much. I can understand that
after a while you want to be remembered for other things but she has to do
something first! A short film won't cut it. Not to mention the fact that
she's starting to look like Jerry from "Strangers with Candy".
Anyway, like I said the spoof is very very funny. And since nobody reading
this will ever see it I'll give away the best stuff. It takes place in "The
freaky little town of Jerkettsville, RI" where Heather (Linda Blair) sets
out to investigate the dead babies killed by the Blair witch? Her crew is
made up of Josh a hippie who doesn't go anywhere without a bong on account
of his eye operation, and Mike who is never seen without a cig on his lip
and a pissed look on his face. The famous stick figure has been fitted with
a giant erect penis. (At least it's not a robot penis) There are other stick
figures as well including a Jewish star, a tic-tac-toe board, and a stick
figure with an Ally Mcbeal face on it. Some good examples of the high class
comedy are: they are out deep in the forest and Heather comes across an
electric chair. "It's a clear sign of death" she yells. Mike reply’s, "It
doesn't mean fucking shit!" Mike hears some strange noise during the night
but it's just Heather and Josh fucking in the tent. Mike gets pissed and
screams, "I'm just gonna go fuck one of these stick figures out here!" Josh
is missing and all that is left is his ear that is used to keep in contact
with him at all times. That all brings us to the funniest joke in the movie
that is of the classic end. This gag sent the crowed into a tailspin. They
stumble upon a "fucking shity old house" and Heather and Mike rush in to
investigate. Are you still with me? Mike is in the basement, Heather rushes
down to see what's going on, Mike is in the corner. Are you with me? Heather
screams at Mike who is not moving, suddenly he turns to reveal that Josh is
on his knees sucking Mikes dick! The convention crowd erupted like a bomb
just went off! The laughter didn't die down soon either. The crowed was
mentally killed.
The headliner turned out to be Sean Cunningham, creator of "Friday the
13th" who had some news on Freddy Vs. Jason and "Jason X"! He said that
"Freddy Vs. Jason" will happen and that they are almost ready with the
perfect script. I don't know what to think about that. He seemed for real.
He went on and on about how it's not as easy as people think. That not the
real good news though, the real news is about "Jason X". He says that they
have started working on special effects and that the budget is 3 times
bigger than any other Jason pix. The plot is this: It takes place 450 years
in the future. Earth is a dead planet and scientists are digging on earth
looking for answers. They come across a frozen woman and a frozen "hulking
mass" with a hockey mask. They take them back to the mothership and the fun
starts! Simple enough, right? Could be cool. He says that Jason with evolve
into the new Jason X that is bigger and better. Oh yeah, Kane Hodder will
play Jason X for the 5th time. Until he gets it right as he says. Oh, and
that's not Jason 10, Jason is really called Jason X. Like American History
X.
Mr. Iguana couldn't get Cunningham's autograph because it was off to the
FREE "Pitch Black" screening! What can I say "Pitch Black" has renewed my
interest in science fiction horror flix. I haven’t liked many of them
lately, and I thought my interest would really die with the release of
"Supernova" which looks to be one of the worst ever! "Pitch Black" is
basically a beautiful thing! It's not perfect but not many are these days.
Vin Diesel is one of the coolest villains to come along in a long time. And
the story is pretty fresh and original. I'm really afraid of what I might
say about this movie. I'd hate to give anything away because a friend of
mine say this movie months ago and he gave it all away. It didn't ruin my
viewing experience at all though. See this movie at all cost! I suppose this
isn't much of a review though, I should probably write why I like it, right?
Well, one of my favorite things about it is the fact that the monsters on
the planet fight each other! You don't see that to often. The monsters
usually live just to kill the humans. Not the case with "Pitch Black" they
are a threat to everything and everybody. All they do is kill! And I'll say
this: they work the Vin Diesel character's personality so that it resembles
that of the monsters. I think the way they do that is brilliant.
So even though this year's show had its moments it was still one of the
worst years ever. Hopefully next year will be much better and Mr. Iguana
will look forward to that a little more everyday. Mr. Iguana does love the
horror, and since Chiller sucks now I'll have to start my own convention or
my own killing spree. Who am I kidding, I'll be at Chiller this year and
Fango next year and anything else they decide to do. I don't care, I've got
nothing to do really.
Mr. Iguana
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Catch me if you can!
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Stop clicking on my red tounge you bastards!
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This sounds like it could be good,
but I think all horror movies have sucked hard in the 90's. We need Jason to do some Sleepy Hollow shit on people for this movie to be good. We need hardcore Verhoeven level violence, and we need actresses showing their actual titties on screen.
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Is it me or did this year's NY Weekend of Horrors blow? For my money, I'll stick with Chiller. It's got more vendors and guests. Anyhow, back to fango. Nevermind, Bruce Campbell not showing up(I found out about a couple of weeks ago and had time to get over it) but where was Keith David? I went only on Saturday btw. Also, it amazes that the guests have the patience for the on stage panels and stuff. I mean they are hardly audible and the questions asked are completely idiotic. At least I scored some sweet movies. An excellent Mononoke Hime subtitle, the original Nightwatch, and Gamera 3 which I have yet to watch. Oh well, see all you east coasters at Chiller.
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Is it me or is Fango in need of a little fresh air... Gone are the Halcyon days of American Werewolf covers, Thing covers, Creepshow covers. Nowadays it's all about Scream 3 and End of Days. I mean that's alright. They're the current crop. But I still think Fango is missing something. I agree that the mag has to use these films as headliners and maybe that's because there isn't as much of the ground breaking stuff as there used to. But deep down I think Fango is starting to look a little tired... (apologies in advance for the controversy.)
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By the way did anyone see the French Connection documentary on BBC2 on Saturday night? Fucking brilliant - interviews galore with Friedkin, Gene Hackman, Roy Schieder. Top class.
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Ah space, the landscape horror film-makers choose to use when they've run out of ideas and don't care if the film sucks. Critters, Hellraiser, Leprechaun......
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Great con; Keith David from Pitch Black never showed on Saturday. Final Destination(formerly Flight 180) looked great too. The Blair Bitch Project was fucking hilarious!!! Check out their website @ BlairBitch.com.
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Great con; Keith David from Pitch Black never showed on Saturday. Final Destination(formerly Flight 180) looked great too. The Blair Bitch Project was fucking hilarious!!! Check out their website @ BlairBitch.com.
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So this will "redefine the horror genre"? I haven't heard of anything that sounds worse in a long time. 3 times the usual budget? What is that - about fifty bucks? The "Friday" films have always been awful - I thought 4 was okay but all the others are really lame, no suspense, strangely right wing. Films for fools I'm afraid...
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You have a little time on your hands don't you? You're posting 5 times on each talkback!
Anyway the premise of JX sounds like it's going to suck. C'mon, they stuble across 2 frozen canisters and one happens to be Jason? What kind of shit is that?
Besides, I think it was allready done in an old Lights Out episode. That Arch Obler, now there was a REAL horror finaciano. -
Well, I went to the saturday show, and the only highlight I can think positive about was seeing Pitch Black afterward, which kicked ass (as far as B movies go). I Absolutely loved it!!! The effects rocked, and the editing/cinematography were top-notch - a far cry from boring, eye-level camera shots seen previously that day when Full Moon showed off their latest and greatest piece of crap.
A far as Blair Bitch, the 2 idiots in charge of that production were trying too hard to be the next Matt Stone/Trey Parker. The 20 minute showing was the stupidest parody I have ever seen, and their stage appearances were truly terrible. At one point, the one guy said "Fuck the Chinks", to get some attention, and at that 3 or 4 asian people walked out. Several minutes later, he pulled out his dick (or what appeared to be a very small version of one). This continued for what appeared to be an eternity. My feeling on this is that they tried shopping it to Comedy Central, who told them where they could shove it. The Scooby Doo parody was far better.
Sean Cunningham was nice, but he didn't have very much to say (at least not anything that fans didn't already know). I found one vendor selling bootleg soundtracks at $65 a CD and NO GODDAMN DVD'S!!!! who the hell still bootlegs VHS tapes?!?!?!?
oh well, Pitch Black was still worth every dime, so I'm telling everyone to go see it. If you like Alien rip-offs, you'll love it. If you like fast-paced Nike and Car commercials, you'll love it. If you like Vin Diesel shaving his head with motor oil, you'll LOVE IT! -
The guests get worse and worse, the horror previews get more and more low-budget schlock, and the dealer's room gets smaller and smaller. My expert opinion- WAIT for the Chiller Theatre Cons in NJ which are always 5 times better.
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Never buddy! :)
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Prrof that Hollywood has gone brain dead. WHO IS JOHN GAULT?
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Next, for your amusement and edification, Andy Dick will sing you his new song....."Little Red Tongue...Little Red Tongue..."
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Dude, this sounds like a big steaming pile of horse shit. Haven't they already done this campy storyline before with one of the direct-to-video Leprechaun movies? Not to mention how familiar it all sounds to one of several back of the envelope plots I can remember reading as a child in any copy of Creepy or Eerie comic magazine.
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Friday the 13th... ten. Ugh. We didn't need the first eight sequels to begin with, folks. And this (last?) one sounds like an atomic bomb just waiting to go off. Good lord... Aliens Resurrection meets Jason. Ugh. Someone get me some water, I need to wash this taste out of my mouth...
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This is so sad. This "Friday the 13th" script is the one Cunningham's been crowing about the past few months? Bullshit. It sounds completely and totally awful. I'm sorry, but an earlier post-er was right, it didn't work for "Hellraiser" and it didn't work for "Leprechaun," so why do they think this stupid idea will work for "Friday the 13th?" I LOVE "Friday the 13th," have all the posters to every movie, am holding my breath for special edition DVDs, etc. I AM THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR THIS FUCKING MOVIE!!! And it will suck. That's kind of sad.
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Have you ever seen a Friday the 13th movie? They all suck to one degree or another, that's the point. It's all about watching people get hacked up and a little T&A, sounds good to me. The worst part about the teen horror movement is no nudity!! I'm not expecting Friday X to be The Shining or Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer. I'm expecting it to be what all the other Friday's are, slasher flicks.
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I saw Pitch Black and I still dont get what all the praise is about. This movie was like Deep Blue Sea, but far worse. Bunch of people getting picked off one at a time by some really terrible looking computer creatures. The acting was bad, the pacing terrible, and the characters cliches. I didn't give a damn who lived or died. I didnt even know who these people were. And when Harry sais this feels like old Carpenter, don't believe it. Carpenter knew how to tell a story with suspense and character. Pitch Black was nothing but a Sci-Fi Channel original movie. Don't believe the hype.
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C'mon, "Jason X"? What kind of movie is this supposed to be, a parody of "Malcom X" in which Jason leads horror monsters for equal rights?? And, btw, am I the only person who is completely upset that Schumacher is thinking of directing "The Lost Boys 2"? Part of the fun of the original was that it was so campy in its early 90s-ish 'stuff'.--Saulot--
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Jan 17, 2000 2:37:23 PM CST
I know a secret plot point in Jason ...and you wont believe it..
by eric draven
A very good friend of my brother is a make up f/x guy. Hes worked on 13th Warrior, eXistenZ and more....he's currently working on Jason X.
Anyhoo, yeah...it is Jason doin' the killing, not a "virtual Jason" as thought in early rumour stages....but get this.....about 3/4 of the way into the movie, Jason IS destroyed...only to be built back as a......(ready for it?)....Cyborg Jason. I am absolutly serious. The source is VERY reliable....i just cant believe they are doing it...but, it's true.....now, lets hear everyones thoughts.... -
Tom Savini is an FX man, and an actor. I agree he's completely cool, but there are hundreds of better directors who could make a fun (and scary)film of Jason X. Savini would most likely camp it up and rely on gore to do the trick. Give it to the guy who made H20, he actually renewed That old franchise.
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I have mixed feelings about this new route Friday movies are going. On one hand, there are only so many ways you can write a script about people in a camp in Crystal Lake getting hacked by Jason. So I understand the need to expand and add new plots. I'm not sure what to think about Jason being in space. What the HECK are they going to do in the next movie? I'm assuming that they will, somehow, for some reason, make another sequel. One of their goals has ALWAYS been to stretch the sequels so they can make a 13th. I love watching slasher flicks - they're fun and brainless eye candy. I welcome a change, but I don't know if this is what Jason needs. Who knows - maybe it'll be a lot of fun to watch. Maybe it'll suck. I just hope the script doesn't deviate too much from scenes like this: Jon? Jon? Jon? Are you there? Jon? Jooooon? JON! Oh, Jon!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! *sound of juicy slicing and hacking* We need the basics to be covered here!! In any event, let's all keep an open mind, folks. This movie will be made whether we all like the idea or not, so just try and enjoy what comes our way.
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Jan 17, 2000 3:13:41 PM CST
Somebody shoot this franchise in the back of its head and put it
by skraggo
I stopped giving a shit about the Jason series after the really wrongly named "Final Chapter," yet somehow ended up seeing all of the crappy sequels. I can safely say that I won't be subjecting myself to "Jason X" though. I would say that I'm at least a little curious how Jason escaped from Hell (where the last chapter sent him) only to end up cryogenically frozen in the year 2455, BUT I doubt such an explanation is even forthcoming. Everytime they kill Jason or Freddy or Michael Myers off, it's supposedly by use of "the only way to truly destroy him... Once and for all..." Let's face it, though - these guys are more resilient than Bill Clinton. What are they made of? Polyester, Dodge Dart parts, and Cockroach DNA?
Jason in Space. What a pile of predictable shit. Don't be surprised when the one haggard and bloody survivor flushes Jason out of an airlock at the end of the movie and he floats by the frozen remains of the Queen from "Aliens." It'll either be that, or they'll dump him on an uncharted planet somewhere and we'll see a crowd of Predators encircle him to do combat.
Who cares anymore? You can imagine the whole movie in your head in about 15 seconds.
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I was also at the Fango con and was MAJOR PISSED. My friend went with me to Chiller this year. It was his first timne and he kept telling me it sucked and that I had to go to Fango with him in January. Well I had a great time at Chiller and I thought "Wow, if this Sucks compared to Fango then Fango must be REALLY awesome.". All I kept thinking was "I drove all the way from Philly to New York for THIS". The Guests SUCKED! The dealer's rooms were TINY and I paid 20 bucks AND drove all the way to knew york. I say fuck Fango, cHILLER is SOOO much better. Its cheaper, not as far, LOTS more guests, and more dealers. More bang for the buck all the way around. Fango BLEW big time. Linda Blair? She hasnt even had a job since that "repossesed" movie with Leslie Neilson! Jason X?? Man goes THAT suck! Jason in Space??????? Does Sean S. Cunningham really think thats a good idea? As much as I love Scream it is a damn shame that its spawned so many awefull films like this. Jason should stay dead and burried.
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Best thing about FANGO. First of all Vin "THE IRON GIANT" Diesel is a true Giant in person. Cole Hauser is great, Keith David excellent the acting was one of the best things about this movie these guys delivered the goods. David Twohy's writing was unbelievable. I saw the film with my girlfriend at Fangoria and to put my money where my mouth is I'm paying my 8,50$ to see it with my friends on opening night.
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Jan 17, 2000 4:25:29 PM CST
They boo Scream 3 but loudly applaud Jason X and Leprechaun in t
by all thumbs
Scarier than the movies, I'm sure. Anyways, Jason is just a rip-off of Carpenter's Micheal Myers, essentially. (Carpenter does it better, baby!) They're calling it a campy spoof. Well, no shit...what else would a horror movie be when it's set on a space ship and it's main characters are a frozen camp counselor and the maniac who decapitated all her friends around Crystal Lake after they had sex? Aaack!***And Jerry from "Strangers with Candy" is really icky.
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First off, do we really need another FRIDAY the 13th film? And if we must have one, why does it have to be a "campy update"? I added my name to the Savini petition (if only because I feel he MUST resume his directing career. NIGHT 90 showed much promise) but I'm not sure even he would want to be involved with bastardizing a long-bastardized genre. Besides, couldn't someone have come up with somethng better than emulate such classics as CRITTERS 4, HELLRAISER: BLOODLINE and that damned Leprechaun movie? Switching topics for a sec: has there been any talk at FANGO about George Romero's new film, BRUISER (no doubt the REAL horror film of the coming year)? If you've heard anything, pay a visit to my site, the net's only BRUISER page, and drop me an email: http://bruiser.8m.com
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When I first heard the premise, I wasn't very impressed. However, the more I hear about it, I think it'll be a lot of fun. Especially, if we get this AND Freddy vs Jason, not one or the other.
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Good ol' Harry has reinstated my faith in him by deleting my "Oops,I screwed up"message at the infamous "Sounds of Dinosaurs" board.Thank ya much,Har! God speed,o trivial site leader!May the roads rise to meet you and the independent film theaters be built in your local tri-state area. Oh,and also I heard that the Scream 3 trailer,the full'n not the small'n,will be shown before the Freddie Prinze Jr. movie "Down to You".As I was typing that,I realized it was to draw people to that movie,since it will more than likely suck donkey dick. Upon that,a big ol' promotional wave for the movie will kick off. Posters,promos,commercials, specials,waffle-irons.Which of those media tie-ins is not like the others?Which of those media tie-ins just doesn't belong?I hope that movie falls flat on its face.Boo on Craven!I hope somebody rereleases Killer Klowns from Outer Space soon.VERY soon.Frasier
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Okay - what the Hell is the problem with Jason in space? Actually, it's more "Jason in the future" - but everyone loves to trot out the Hellraiser / Leprechaun / Critters / whatever comparisons. That's just a *cheap* shortcut - I haven't heard any GOOD reason why putting a slasher in th efuture is a bad idea. HR: Bloodline and Leprechaun 4 didn't suck because they were set in the future - they sucked because of bad writers, directors and actors (to be fair, Doug Bradley was at the mercy of the script). If you're a fan of the series (which I am - obviously, I run FridayThe13th.com) - hey, a new Friday the 13th film! What are they going to do, set another film at Crystal Lake? I am thrilled at the prospect of new life breathed into a classic '80s horror series.
And for those of you who don't like the Friday films - well, what are you bitching about? It's not like they're "ruining" a favorite of yours... but I forget, TalkBack is a haven for whining and complaining about everything and anything. :) We're not talking about a script review or a test screening here... we're talking about a little pre-production information and everyone is going ape like they've seen and hated the film. Just chill, people.
Come on, what did you expect? "Jason X is going to be set at Crystal Lake, and Jason will come back from Hell in 2001 and kill yet another group of counselors who have come to reopen the camp"? Now THAT would suck! If you want to see something like a classic Friday... watch a classic Friday. But come October 13th (I'm hoping), I'll be sitting in the theater waiting for the Jason of the future (pun intended). The "campiness"? - the series has been pretty damned campy since Part 3 (and take a look at the tongue-in-cheek Part VI: Jason Lives). Cyborg Jason? - since VI, the series has been predicated on Jason being the ULTIMATE badass. New century, new technology - time to up the ante. Anyone seen Part VII: The New Blood? John Buechler's Jason in that film was what he called a "meat cyborg" - essentially a Terminator without the metal. And it was INCREDIBLE. I would love a chance to see some wild, f**ked-up FX in a Friday the 13th film like in eXistenZ!
As for Savini - James Isaac has been with this project since the beginning, and he's worked on such sci-fi FX films as eXistenZ, Deep Star Six and Return of the Jedi. That says to me that he can handle the kind of sci-fi/horror hybrid that this film will be. Savini is a latex and Karo kind of director - I'll sign a petition for him on Freddy vs. Jason, but not this film. Savini's been bumped off a directing gig before (Strangeland), so I think it's pretty shitty that he's trying to insinuate himself in someone else's production.
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1st off the friday the 13th franchise is d-e-a-d! these people are completely devoid of any good ideas. putting him ona mothership in space? what is gonna do kill people in a space station or somethinfg, where no one can hear him? have u read the casting notice? 4 charcaters, thats isnt enough for him to kill. thats shit is wack, leave him dead. these ideas are bullshit, its totally off the theme and whole idea of the original flick. is he going to talk too? does his voice sound like scooby doo? where do they get these filmmakers from? i wonder about this like i wonder about crappy batman flicks? how come they ca spen all this money on what i believe is garbage when they can put money into making frank millers dark knight returns, or a story thats as good as an animated series story... at least the peeps on that team know what they're doing? oh im going to die if hollywod continues to do this to us. do any of thise read these comments? if not, they should start.
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Well, it seems I started a controversy about the Fango Con and Chiller. Well, here are the pros and cons of both "cons":
Fango: less guests, but organized autograph signing, free autographs most of the time, movie previews,free giveaways of movie promotional items,no minimum bid auctions, and free movie passes.
Chiller: More guests, unorganized autograph signings, 20 to 30 dollars per autographs (not including the photos),no movie previews,some promotional movie items, no auctions, and no free movie passes.
Anyone want to add to this? I got to BOTH cons, and enjoy BOTH; if there was a combination of both these cons, *THAT* would be a perfect horror convention. -
Signed the petition..Sure, let Savini do another movie....
But, shit, does the premise sound stupid or what? Listen: a slasher movie needs two ingredients to be cool, and a well thought out story,- or as in this case a stupid idea camouflaging as a clever twist-, isn -
I just can't get excited about this Jason X storyline. It just sounds stupid. It worked in Alien, but it shouldn't be attempted as a Jason film. Another thing I want to know is why is Jason's body frozen with that of a young woman. After all, he was last seen being dragged into hell. If his body is found, why isn't Freddy's found as well? It just sounds like a waste of time to me. I like Tom Savini, but I don't think that he will be able to do anything with this story. Another thing: Isn't it really a waste to use Mr. Savini as director and CGI for effects, as opposed to his great latex creations? I think so.
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Well said, F13 Webmaster. I think it's very exciting news that a new F13 film is in the works, and with a nice budget as well. This has the potential to be a great futuristic fun action/horror movie - - - the operative word here being "fun." I certainly wouldn't want to see a retread of earlier movies. Jason should be thrown into new situations to keep things interesting. (Jason Takes Manhatten had great potential, but didn't realize it.) As long as the basic essence of the Jason character remains intact (unlike JGTH), this should be a decent movie. And there is nothing to preclude future F13 movies from returning to a present timeframe, so the purists should lighten up a little. Personally, I'll be at the theatre opening weekend, as I have been for every Friday since Part 3.
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I just wanted to say that this movie sounds really lame and after Pitch Black comes out, they should really lay low on the OH MY GOD I AM BEING TERRIOZED IN SPACE! How about set a fucking horror film at the mall on the day before and after X-MAS? Have Jason terrozie Macy's and Nordstrom? Watch Carmen Electra get sliced and diced at J-Crew! Now that I would watch...Jason X will open big and flop Hard! Please, Jason in Space, anyone seen Hellraiser Bloodline? directed bu Alan Smithee? Anyone actually sit through the entire Supernova? Fuck with the money they are using to film Jason X, they could donate that to Sally Struthers or something? IS sally still alive???
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I can't believe the knee-jerk "I hate this movie already!" responses in regards to Jason X.
Well, this is AICN so I guess I can believe it. Anyone who's a die-hard F13 is likely to see this movie no matter what so why not give it a fair shake? And let's be honest - to date the series has only been a guilty pleasure at best so even if this new film does suck what's the harm? In quick defense of Fangoria magazine - if they cover a film like, say, Sleepy Hollow and include pics of a decapitated corpse it hardly makes them "gore-porn" peddlers anymore than Tim Burton is for making the movie in the first place. They may choose the most sensational pictures from any chosen film but this is after all a magazine that caters specifically to genre fans who want to see something a little more outrageous to begin with. The only way someone could have a problem with Fango's content is if they have a problem with the movies themselves. -
"F" you Hollywood! Another stupid ass plot. Just have to go and abuse your CGI privileges. No more cliches please. C'mon! Since you screwed it up already, go ahead and cast Ben Affleck and Britney Spears. Puff Daddy can make a video for it and play the street smart gangster scientist/chef like L.L.Cool J.Then MTV can make specials for it...ain't life grand! Vote Savini!!!
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I like the idea, hell I have seen enough of the films set in that stupid camp which is why I enjoyed Freddy in New York or whatever the f*ck it was called. finally they left the f*cking camp! and it was fun.
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Well I just proved what kind of f*cking genious I am by calling it "FreddyX" I meant JasonX sorry. Shows how much thought I put into this whole idea.
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hey gang, long time reader, first time post....
(ever read an article that just inspired you to stop being a casual bystander?)
just got done reading the post about Jason X and all of the talkbacks. I tend to agree with most of you on the callback, why? why? why?
Why this mindless, unoriginal, soul-less, paint-by-the-Hollywood-numbers idea? This is not the way the Jason series needs to go, especially if they are planning some kind Freddy vs. Jason film in the future. I'm not a hugh fan, but even I can see the lack of sense that has gone into this lack of a plot. Does anyone care about making the films connect in any sort of logical way? And it makes me wonder what the hell they would possibly make Jvs.F about?
(i've read a couple of things, and it sounds hoky so far...)
Is there any way I could ever convince Sean Cummington (or whatever) that my idea for a possible Jason X is better, and not see him commit film financial suicide with this piece of crap "Jason in Space" idea?
(In fact while working on a treatment for the Jvs.F film, I was even going to go so far as contact Michael DeLuca,the President of New Line, and make a pitch to him personally about the future of the films. From what I understand, Mark Verheiden is going over the script for Jvs.F now to clean it up).
And to answer my subject line:
I, for one, don't need to see or want to see another "campy & fun with lots of t&a" slacker flick. Why can't they scare me? There hasn't been a good, scary, well-written horror movie. I haven't seen one that has evoked my fear intensely in a while.
"Blair Witch" was good, but not scary enough to live up to the hype. "The Sixth Sense" was okay, but again, not really scary (and because of it's hype, i was able to guess the ending long before sitting in the theatre to see it), and like all the other horror films I've seen of late (The Relic, Scream 2, Halloween H20, The Mummy, Deep Blue Sea, Virus, Tommy Hilfinger presents: The Faculty, The Haunting, off the top of my head...) they may have had their moments, but for the most part have been disappointing.
Unfortunately.... we may have to just sit back and watch as the film gets made, we see Jason go into space, and we see the film probably make some money (the kids today will pay to see it, if it is hyped enough, at least for the first 2 weekends until word of mouth gets around.)
It would be nice to think that one day the fans might be in charge... until then.....
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How the fuck does Jason get frozen in the first place? I wonder if they'll even bother addressing this point in the movie. I got it, humans are leaving earth and decide to cryogenically freeze a brilliant woman... and... let's see... a SERIAL KILLER! That's it. Just incase some advanced race comes to earth, they'll discover how wonderful our women and serial killers were. Or does Jason just scare the shit out of the entire human race, then freeze himself so he can scare the shit out of the next species that comes along. Brilliant! Then the exceptional woman, instead of killing Jason as he is frozen, freezes herself, so she can warn whoever unfreezes Jason that he will kill them. This would make a terrific Monty Python skit. Lady: "You see I froze myself so I could warn whoever unthawed me that the man with the hockey mask is a serial killer" Alien: "Well, why didn't you just kill him when you could?" Lady: "Yes, well you see, I thought I would warn you first, then kill him" Alien: "He's already axed 6 people" Lady: "Sorry." What are the odds that the alien race will be humanoid? They're damned good. They'll probably be humans in onepiece spandex suites with crinkly noses ala the lame-o startrek aliens. This is gonna be a doozey, see-whilst-stoned-out-of-your-mind shitfest. WATCH OUT FOR THE GIANT RASTA EYES!
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The lost boys is the coolest vampire movie ever made. You can't outdo that. Besides, Corey Haim, Corey Feldman... Who's ever heard of these guys again. Jason Patric is the only real actor that could do a sequal some good, since Kiefer Sutherland died in the first flick. besides, these guys don't like each other anyway.(Julia Roberts, bla, bla ,bla) It's like I've said before, NEVER MESS WITH A MASTERPIECE. Cheers
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It'd be difficult for Lost Boys to be a direct rip-off of Near Dark seeing as they were both released the same year ('87). And if memory serves, Lost Boys was actually in theaters prior to Near Dark. Near Dark is a great film but Schumacher - or screenwriter Jeffrey Boam - didn't lift anything from it. If anything, Near Dark can be accussed of owing more than a passing debt to the fiction of Anne Rice.
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I thought there were other drafts of Jason X that didn't concern him in space. Didn't Harry review one? I remember it being similar to "Wes Craven's New Nightmare" in that the F13'th series was refrenced, and somehow characters from the "real" world got sucked into Jason's "world".
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First of all, "Leprechaun In tha Hood"? The title alone is hilarious.....but I`d only watch it if it was on cable. After "Leprechaun In Space", I guess they had to do something to really top themselves. Now... about this "Jason X" thing.....true, MadTV already did "Jason In Space" a looong time ago, and the fact that series creator Sean S. Cunningham thinks it`s SERIOUSLY a good idea is....weird. On one hand, it might be funny in a "Bride Of Chucky" kinda way. (I loved that movie.) But it`s easy to make Chucky funny, how the hell do you make Jason funny? And also, the last time Cunningham was involved in a "Friday" movie......we got "Jason Goes To Hell", the worst movie in the series. Ouch. Honestly, if they MUST make a new "Friday the 13th" film, why not a modern-stlye take on the old movies, i.e. the Williamson approach. Have it be at Crystal Lake, but make the characters a little more interesting or funny (ala "Scream"), and maybe even throw in some "X-Files"-type midnight conspiracy stuff about Jason. It would probably work more than "Jason In Space".
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hmm....Jason in space...reminds me of that leprechan in space i saw in west coast video....
i think demension(or new line)should save their money and just do a Vs movie...that would bring in more money than this...
Norman Bates Vs Scream stalker?
Leprechan Vs Chucky?
Freddy Vs Candy Man?
Jason Vs Micheal Myers?
Leather Face Vs ?
Elvira Vs Rhonda ?
Alein Vs Predator?
the creature from Relic Vs T-Rex?
Jaws Vs Lake Placid Aligator?
this movie would be long..but kick @$$!..lol
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This "Jason X" thing reminds me of that horrible "Hellraiser 4" fiasco. Is anyone else getting a sense of deja vu?
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Okay, I've put up with the nay say for long enough. I was trying to keep a purely optimistic view on this movie, but the pessimism I've viewed is completely intolerable. The idea that Jason in space is stupid is stupid in itself. We have to give it a chance to evolve. I swear, if Jason X had taken place in Manhattan or Crystal Lake or Forest Green one more time... URG! I'd explode!
Now that I'm done ranting like this, what IS the real problem with having Jason in space, or in the future? I myself think it could be quite fun, and was even working on a Fan Fiction awhile back that involved a cybernetic Jason Vorhees. I am a sci-fi/horror fan, so this idea is actually kinda nice.
We have to give the film a chance. Don't bomb it just because pre-production information is a little weak. It always is.
The attitude of so-called 'FANS' is what generally causes the low gross when it comes to Box Office figures. A friend says "Hey, you like this series... Should I go see this Jason X film?" And what does the pessimistic fan say? "Naw, that films going to suck. Don't bother."
Believe it or not, word of mouth has a lot to do with how well a film does. An example would have to be Deep Blue Sea - Promotion was weak for the theatrical release, but it grossed very high in video sales and rental, mainly due to word of mouth.
Don't kill this film before it has been released. Please? Give the creators just a little credit. If it sucks after I see it, I'll join everyone else in our single voice as we cry "HATE!" at New Line Cinema. If this film does badly, I bet Freddy vs. Jason will never happen. I don't want to see that, either. -
Okay, I never do this, but since there is so much criticism on this subject, I feel I must put in my two cents.
I really don't see any problem with putting Jason in space. He's been terrorizing the usual places for to long. To be totally honest, if they had produced yet another movie with him killing the horny teenage campers at Crystal Lake one more time, I would have never even bothered to give it a chance.
For Jason, space will be quite a change, I know. My initial impression of the idea was, "Oh great, let's just put the freak in space and have some poor bloody and tired teen save the galaxy at the end of the movie instead of saving a small town in the middle of nowhere."
But come on, the old scene is gone...I mean, where did you want them to put him? Some other small town where he can just kill everyone and be "destroyed" yet again? I know, it will be similar to that plot in Jason X. But, hey, at least its a new setting. And who knows what might happen to him at the end this time? Maybe it'll be the same ol' ending. But what if it isn't? Aren't you the least bit curious? I hope you (the 'FANS') will at least try to see this new flick. Be optimistic. Don't let it bomb in the Box until you know it really sucks. Then I will cross over to your side. But, until then, I shall remain a loyal fan as always and expect the best from this film. Give the directors, actors, etc. just a little credit. They haven't failed you yet. Don't expect them to now. -
I've been reserching the info concerning F13X and freddy vs jason AND I have come to the conclusion that (dont take the piss but I've just found this out)
the victor in the fvj match up, will be jason.you see freddy manages to defeat jason at first by torturing jasons memory.then freddy gets cheated on by the devil so that his dream demons are destroyed and all he has left is his claw which unknown by the devil contains the special power to move freddy into the past the problem is jason is mad.so he follows freddy into the past but ends up in a different past.A past with a new camp leader sitting on the floor of jason's old camp bunk room trembling, but not trembling because of jason, but freddy .for you see freddy had gone back in time and declared himself the crystal lake camp killer by performing all the camp murders before jason ever did,making jason non-scary
And many people may not know this but jasons power is derived from his victim's fear,making jason vulnerable.freddy defeats the devil by using his new powers, then he freezes jason and the camp leader because he has some higher plan in mind for them both (hence the frozen double in f13x)then freddy decides to go on a killing spree just for the hell of it ,but he is cut down in his prime by the devil.who wants freddy back down in hell before he
causes any more trouble.but and this is a big BUT freddy is instead floating towards the gates of heaven,then (here comes the comic relief)freddy makes a gesture to the devil with one finger of his glove and then he begins plumeting,it turns out that,that was freddy's final sin and that it made freddy too evil to enter heaven. the film will end there unless they add any thing else on without me knowing about it.oh and by the way if your wondering how the movie started then think back to the end of "freddys dead" where freddy
was sent to hell,and then the end of "jason goes to hell" where jason goes to hell and all that is left is his mask, now freddy was already in hell so when jason was on his way down, freddy rose to the surface and stuck his hand out to collect jason's mask (the final scene of "jason goes to hell")then in the new movie,the devil sends the disasterous duo to collect more souls for the devil's harvest.but the two had a difference of ideas and so became the greatest clash of killers ever!
thanks for reading,
Prince of RAGE!!!
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