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Piping hot Natalie Dormer (she of the fast approaching Captain America movie), who embodied Anne Boleyn on “The Tudors,” will play Margaery Tyrell on next spring’s second season of “Game of Thrones.”

James Hibberd’s exclusive for Entertainment Weekly describes her character:

a (minor spoiler alert) beautiful and shrewd young woman from the influential House Tyrell. She’s pledged to marry the late King Robert’s brother, Renly Baratheon, as part of House Tyrell’s support for his bid to seize the Iron Throne from King Joffrey.

If Dormer can’t turn Renly straight, then it can’t be done.

Find all of EW’s story on the matter here.


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  • June 23, 2011, 4 p.m. CST


    by Michael Gunn

  • June 23, 2011, 4 p.m. CST


    by Wcwlkr

  • June 23, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    She will be great in this!!!

  • June 23, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Really Hot

    by Crow3711

    Basically watched tudors S1 to get to her boobies

  • June 23, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    can't wait to see who plays brienne

    by jesus 2099


  • June 23, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Renly being gay

    by Gene_Parmesan

    As someone who is 1/3 of the way into the third book, I honestly do not remember the book alluding to Renly being gay and certainly don't remember a scene where he's schlobbin' some knight's knob. Do the books actually address this? Because if they did, it flew right over my head.

  • June 23, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Spring 2012 is soooo far away!! I'm tempted to read the books

    by Andy Pandy

  • June 23, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Too old.

    by Venardhi

    Stop casting teenagers with people in their late 20s. Thanks.

  • June 23, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    The priestess....

    by drewlicious

    or whatever she was. I'm kind of curious to see who they cast as her, and how they handle her, ahem, power. For the unitiated, let's just say its pretty shocking even when you see it coming.

  • June 23, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST


    by chiwrtr72

    Are the characters really teens on the television show? I don't recall them ever mentioning ages.

  • June 23, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST


    by Superponte

    He DOES have a Rainbow

  • June 23, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Renly being gay

    by thorp

    Renly isn't a pov character and so he has never been shown doing the deed. Did you ever think it odd that Renly and Loras spent so much time alone praying together?

  • June 23, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Herc, I heart you.

    by blackwood

    Please continue to find reasons to post GOT talkbacks.

  • June 23, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Drewlicious, her power

    by gooseud

    "Even if you saw it coming".......? Who could possibly have seen it coming? LOL

  • June 23, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Ages in the show.

    by Venardhi

    Jon, Robb and Dany are supposed to be around 17, since that is how long ago the rebellion took place in the TV timeline. They all look to be in their early 20s though, so perhaps we should all just mentally adjust the timeline a bit further and say it was 22 years ago. Either way, it doesn't make sense for Margaery not to be married already if she is in her 20s, much less mid-late 20s as Dormer is (and looks. Beautiful as she is, she looks her age). She is the only daughter of the second richest house in Westeros, she should have been pledged to someone for political alliance before she even hit puberty.

  • June 23, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Renly is gay in the books. It's just subtle.

    by V'Shael

  • June 23, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    you know who is not gay?

    by lostboytexas

    Ryan Dunn. So he needs a hetero obit!

  • June 23, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    Who's going to play Stannis?

    by Wcwlkr

    That's what I want to know. I love this Show I have to pick up the books because I can't wait for next season!

  • June 23, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    I'd perform Prima Nocte with her


  • June 23, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Re-watching Season 1

    by elsewhere

    It ages like a fine wine.

  • He calls his personal guard, the Rainbow Guard (his version of The Kingsguard).</p> </p> So, he'll marry one Tyrell, whilst getting his knob polished by another.

  • June 23, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    is he gay?

    by purplemonkeydw

    third of the way into the second book, and didn't catch that...hmm. spoiler alert?

  • June 23, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    She was great in what little I've seen of Tudors

    by Mattman

    I should probably finish that show.

  • June 23, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST


    by Jason LeGore

    Natalie was great in the Tudors. Good job, Herc. We need more GoT articles. It's going to be a long fucking wait....

  • June 23, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Spring's a long way away.

    by PotSmokinAlien

    Gonna stay away from the books, though-- the twists of this show are nearly all the fun. Haven't enjoyed watching a show with a group of rowdy friends this much since LOST, and GOT makes LOST look like, um, LOST.

  • June 23, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST


    by Jason LeGore

    I'm right with you man. This is the best show since Lost IMO. I want to read the books so bad but don't want to spoil it for myself.

  • June 23, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST


    by sushi316

    It is never said in the book for certain, and most people who read the book without having seen the gay scene in the show will not think that either of them are. There are a couple of mentions through the first 4 books about Margery being a maid though being married to Renly and about Sansa not being Loras' type. but they are usually just minor mentions in passing from random characters.

  • June 23, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    She's a quite a bit older than Margarery in the books...

    by JediRob

    ...but then again everyone pretty much is aged up a bit. Gendry looks about 30.

  • ...not come in handy too much. I can't recall many times where Margarey got naked.

  • June 23, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Lovely woman but too old for the part

    by aversiontherapy2

    I don't mind if they cast people with a couple more years on them than their characters but a decade is a bit much.

  • June 23, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Tudors worth watching?

    by Extr3m1st

  • June 23, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    extr3m1st, it's hard to get into

    by Mattman

    I never make it past the sixth episode and I've tried like 3 times. It's on Netflix streaming now, so I may try again. I've heard season 2 is very good.

  • June 23, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST


    by cat_herder

    I just finished rereading the books in preparation for the release of the fifth book, and IIRC, it's implied at least once in every book that Renly is gay.

  • June 23, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST


    by cat_herder

    There are some very large age differences in the casting... Dany was 12 at the beginning of the first book, although they avoid mentioning her age in the TV series.

  • June 23, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST

    I'd break my dick in that chick for she is the owner of my boner

    by torontoxic

    I dunno if its the Drew Barrymore mouth thing or the crystal eyes or what but something about her says 'do me'. <P> So I'm good with this news. Though the dragon queen chick is also very hot. I say take a leap from the books and lesbo them out for a half hour or so. See if anyone minds. Come on HBO. You know you love to add in as much pro gay stuff to every show as you can. I bet the writers would even scribble that out for free.

  • June 23, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST


    by Duchess

    Not my first choice, but who am I to complain when my favorite books are made into reality!

  • June 23, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Joss Stone with a French accent

    by destroytokyo

    ...blew Natalie Dormer out of the water in the Tudors. Stone was so unbelievably hot in that show I had no idea it was even her. And when someone told me it was, I didn't believe it! (See what I did there?) So far so good with Game of Thrones, though. I'm sure Dormer will be fine (in every sense of the word) and very, very nude. Have I mentioned that I love this show?

  • June 23, 2011, 9:26 p.m. CST

    scorchy, totally agree with everything you just said

    by Mattman

    I thought everything was perfect, even most of the changes... except that. It was just necessary. The scene of Loras shaving Renly didn't even tie into the season at all. Felt very out of place. I don't mind the changes that turned out for the better. For example, I think the first Drogo/Dany sex scene actually enhanced their overall story arc and made for a better payoff. The Renly change was pointless.

  • June 23, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST

    RE: Jedirob, HBO has shown a ton of skin that wasn't in the books

    by SirGaryColeman

    So I'd say there's a pretty good chance they'll do it some more. I have no clue who she is, but she looks like a good choice to me. Oh and add me to the list of people who didn't realize Renly was supposed to be gay until I read it on a website somewhere. He was a manly, charismatic, strong warrior type. I liked him better in the book. He's a stereotypical gay dude in the tv show.

  • June 23, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST


    by Omar B

    The first real hint of it was when he gave Sansa the flower. She thought he was looking at the crowd, he was looking at Renly. GRRM made note of who was sitting where so you know where he was looking. Then later in the third book when she talks to Loras about when he gave her the flower, he didnt even remember her. As for the new chick's casting, I can see it.

  • June 23, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Stannis makes a crack/alludes to at some point Renly being gay.

    by JediRob

    It is subtle, but something along the lines of,Renly saying that Margerey is a maid, and Stannis says something along the lines of "she's like to stay that way in your bed!"

  • I mean come on!

  • June 23, 2011, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Now she be sho nuff lookin' yummilicious!

    by glodene

  • June 23, 2011, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Ages of Characters

    by The Bear

    Okay, having a 17-year-old run around being a soldier may be okay in a book, but watching 17-year-old kids play the main characters in the would just look ridiculous. I'm glad they went with older actors. I don't want to see an "Our Gang" version of GOT.

  • June 23, 2011, 11:23 p.m. CST

    In AFFC Jamie Lannister makes a joke about

    by Turingtestee

    shoving a sword so far up Renlys ass that Loras couldn't find it . . . something like that.

  • June 23, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    I do believe I got that wrong

    by Turingtestee

  • June 23, 2011, 11:33 p.m. CST

    She's going to be so nude...

    by MagicJesus

    **spoiler** I have anticipation wood...

  • June 23, 2011, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Renly's a flaming homo even in the books and here's why:

    by Sick Fixx

    Rainbow Guard??? His best friend is the Knight of Flowers? I mean, COME ON! What more evidence do you need?

  • June 23, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Oops, Jedirob

    by Sick Fixx

    Great (and straight) minds think alike, I suppose.

  • You'll be pleased to know she'll come to me a virgin

  • June 23, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Stannis' reply:

    by BiggusDickus

    In your bed, she's like to remain one.

  • Renly was kind of a super-macho badass in the books. He wasn't as tough as his brothers but he was wildly charismatic. He was also barely in the books, at all. They've made him a much more important character here.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> SPOILER (close this thread by clicking on the title)<br /> <br /> <br /><br /> <br /> <br /><br /> <br /> <br /><br /> <br /> <br /><br /> <br /> <br /> Too bad he won't be around for long in Season Two. In the books he doesn't appear until the second novel. Almost as soon as they introduce him, he is murdered. His death is an extremely shocking moment. Apart from Daenerys birthing the dragons, Renly's death is the first time we clearly witness the use of magic and it's used in a shockingly violent way. It's the first time we see magic used to assault someone. In fact, it seems the only reason they introduced Renly this season was to set up his inevitable death next year and make it even more shocking.<br /> <br /> Apart from that, Renly's only real role in the story is to precipitate the appearances of Margery Tyrell, Stannis Barratheon, and Brienne; all of whom will become important players in the story. And I don't remember anything about him getting his dick sucked by the Knight of Flowers but it does add some of the story's trademark dark humor, considering who he marries.<br /> <br /> If Mr. Martin continues to write at his present speed, this show will be over before he can release the final book. I wonder how much Weiss and Benioff are getting fed from Martin about things that are going to happen. I worry that the fact that they have access to more knowledge now than they will have later on, as the gap between the series finale and final book closes. I hope the writing stays as sharp in the final years as it is now.<br /> <br /> One of the things I love about Galactica, upon viewing it in its entirety, a year after its finale, is that just about everything that happened at the end was supported by the beginning, namely the nature of the Six that acts as Gaius Baltar's imaginary friend. They could have done more to foreshadow who was going to turn out to be a Cylon, but that was forgivable. I'd guess they probably knew the Chief was one by the time they started writing Season Two but not Saul. I hope this show has the same kind of structural integrity. Ned Stark may be dead but, in the books, he occasionally pops up in people's flashbacks. For me, the most intriguing character in the story was Rhaegar but I don't remember him ever being mentioned in the series. I would love to see a flashback, later on, that tells what really happened between him and Lyanna. I think they were probably lovers but that she was murdered by the Mad King, who didn't want his son cavorting with a Stark. Since Robert Barratheon loved Lyanna, this could have been one of the major reasons he wanted Rhaegar dead.<br /> <br /> When Martin finishes the series, part of me hopes he goes on to write a lone prequel novel about Ned, Robert, Rhaegar, Lyanna, and Jaime. Is there anyone reading this who's read all the books who doesn't love Jaime Lannister. Of all the characters who'se perspective we're given, Jaime Lannister is definitely my favorite. He has such an incredible character arc. It's too bad we probably won't see much of him in the next book. Anyway, if you want to talk about this topic, you may e-mail me at:

  • June 24, 2011, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Tommy Flannagan should be Stannis

    by Anino

    if not then someone else.

  • June 24, 2011, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Renly doesn't show up in book 2. He's actually introduced

    by Cartagia

    earlier in the book than he is in the show. He was at the river when Aryan disarmed Joffery/ killing of Lady. He's the guy that openly mocks Joffery for being taken down by a girl. Another mention of Renly being gay: I forgot who said it (Littlefinger maybe?) and paraphrased, "They will shove that sword so far up his ass even Loras will be hard-pressed to find it."

  • June 24, 2011, 4:59 a.m. CST


    by Yeti

    It's alluded to but never confirmed that Renley and The Knight of Flowers had a thing going on. (I'm in the middle of Clash Of Kings).

  • June 24, 2011, 5:08 a.m. CST

    RENLY IS GAY (minor spoilers)

    by chinofjim

    Martin has admitted as such, although he says it is never explicit in the books. It is implied more through 'in jokes' that mostly gay people would pick up on (being best buds with the Knight of the Flowers and having the Rainbow Guard being ones I noticed) There is a couple of passages in book 2 where it is a bit more obviously hinted at. By memory, these are Stannis mocking Renly's marraige to Margaery, insinuating that she is unlikely to give him a child. There is also a part where someone laughs about Renly running around with the 'Knight of the Pansies' or something like that.

  • June 24, 2011, 8:31 a.m. CST

    alright. Now bring on Stannis, Brienne, Melisandre and Davos

    by skycrapper

    Lea Seydoux = Ygritte

  • June 24, 2011, 9:08 a.m. CST


    by Phimseto

    Mark Strong as Stannis is the best rumor I've heard. I also loved the rumor of Gerard Butler as Mance Rayder. If they can get either of those actors, it would be a coup for the show.

  • June 24, 2011, 9:16 a.m. CST

    I would love for Tim Roth to get on this show

    by skycrapper

    Give him either Davos or Mance Rayder. He would kill in either of those roles. However Mance doesn't show up until book 3.

  • June 24, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Ryann Dunn is soooo not gay

    by lostboytexas

    so deserves an AICN obit!

  • June 24, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Renly not gay in the books

    by caprica

    It was a politically correct invention for the series

  • June 24, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Herc You Just Spoiled that Renly is getting a Bride

    by DamnMichaelBay


  • June 24, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Michael Sheen as Mance Rayder

    by mbg98

    It is known.

  • June 24, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST


    by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes


  • June 24, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST


    by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes


  • June 24, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes


  • June 24, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST

    ^Dick, Dick, and Dick^

    by skycrapper

    primordial_stu_and_the_deep_fried_bumhol you're a Dick

  • June 24, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    he's a dick and...

    by Sick Fixx

    he's probably banned. Already, King Joffrey demands Ser Ilyn to bring him his head.

  • June 24, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    I forgot about Ygritte

    by Sick Fixx

    Looking forward to seeing her in the coming seasons. She had some great sex scenes in ASoS as I recall.

  • June 24, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by Bunger!

  • June 24, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes

    mild spoiler

  • June 24, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by Bunger!

  • June 24, 2011, 9:49 a.m. CST

    primordial_stu_and_the_deep_fried_bumhol DIES IN A FIRE!

    by skycrapper

  • June 24, 2011, 9:49 a.m. CST

    could someone please delete these SPOILERIFIC posts

    by mbg98

    and/or ban this mofo. "primordial_stu_and_the_deep_fried_bumhol" - you are, good sir, an amazing douche.

  • I predict that winter will finally set in and Daenerys' campaign for the Iron Throne will become a huge success. The Others break through the Wall and into Westeros and only Daenerys' dragons can battle them. All the houses swear fealty to her in the end and seat her on the Iron Throne. I also believe the identity of Jon Snow's mother will be more important than we've been led to believe and he will become much more than a simple bastard son keeping watch and barking orders in the Night's Watch.

  • June 24, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Some of those aren't even spoilers, some of them are outright lies

    by Sick Fixx

  • June 24, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST


    by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes

    mine are true. i just wanna ruin sombody's day. i never did anything bad in life. this is m outlet.

  • June 24, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    sick fixx (discussion about your speculation)

    by mbg98

    I'd tend to agree with at least the dragons vs. the Others thing, especially as the series is called "A Song of Fire and Ice" heheh. We're talking MASSIVE battle with the Horn of Winter being a huge macguffin. Still need to figure out who the Great Other is...

  • June 24, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST


    by Bunger!

  • June 24, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST

    primordial_stu_and_the_deep_fried_bumhol that's just sad dude

    by skycrapper

    And considering all you're spoilers aren't even correct I assume you haven't read the books. Go back to cubical jockeying or whatever you do in your pathetic life.

  • June 24, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST

    skyscrapper-deuce: probably a fucking nigger

    by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes


  • June 24, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Really dude?

    by skycrapper


  • June 24, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST

    fuck this shit, niggerfags, i'm outta here.

    by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes

    you do not deserve my presence. lick your fathers' shit from my cockhead, you miserable jewfags!

  • June 24, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Guys, just ignore him.

    by mbg98

    Trolls gotta troll, I guess.

  • June 24, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Be sure to flip the double bird and slam a beer on your way out

    by skycrapper

    of the cubical that is.

  • My guess is that he (assuming it's a he, just from the violence and stupidity of the misplaced rhetoric) is a 5 foot 4, 375 lb, zit-backed, meth sniffing high school dropout with an astounding propensity towards booger-flicking and jerking off to kiddie porn. But that's just my guess.

  • June 24, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST

    @Caprica re: Renly being gay some sort of political correctness

    by JediRob

    There were several examples given of where it is addressed in the book. As well as George R. Martin confirming it.

  • June 24, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    To all those tempted to read the books:

    by AdamDiran


  • June 24, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't read any Thrones forums if I hadn't read the books

    by Mattman

    Honestly, those who haven't should just stay away at this point. There are too many dickless trolls here.

  • June 24, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    That's right, Stu has no dick.

    by Mattman

  • June 24, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I e-mailed Herc about this douche.

    by Cartagia

    I've read the books, so I'm ok. But seriously, WHAT. THE. FUCK.

  • Ironic, given that they fired Tamzin Merchant, who was originally cast as Daenerys Targaryen. Tamzin played wife #5, Catherine Howard. My lingering suspicion is that while Tamzin has that "angular" look to her face some demanded that Dany should have....I suspect that the day she did her first nude scene they realized that she's disgustingly anorexic, so they went with someone who looks like a normal person. Then they sought out Emilia Clarke....who at the time was most famous for a series of PSAs on child abuse in which she wordlessly stares into the camera crying....which is actually spot-on for Dany Targaryen. So now they've got the more famous wife #2, Anne Boleyn, as Margaery Tyrell? This isn't just a minor character....I mean she's fairly minor now but she's one of the core characters, one of THE major players by season 4 of this series, if the books are any basis. The weird thing is that she's 16 in the books.....and she keeps making marriage alliances with people much younger than that. Now they have an even older actress. I always wondered if Margaery A - knew her brother Loras was gay, B - knew that she was marrying his boyfriend. My impression, at least, was that she knew but didn't care, i.e. it was just a paper marriage to her, it was a joke they were all in on.

  • June 24, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Henry Fool

    by VegasRonReturns

    You're wrong about Renly, he's in the GoT book more than he's in the show. He has several scenes with the Small Council and is introduced when he, Loras and Payne catch up with Barratheon's wagon train returning from Winterfell with the Starks. He has one of the funniest lines in the book after Joff gets his ass handed to him by Arya.<p> You get a strong sense of his charisma, sense of humor and overall charm in the book. In the show, you don't. In fact, guys I watched the show with(who hadn't read the book) forgot about him until I reminded them who he was, which got a "Oh, that whiney guy". That perception couldn't be more opposite of how he is in the book.

  • June 24, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Guess she works.

    by thedottedlion

    Let's face it, folks. The characters are older in the show. Deal with that. Martin's a pervert, but a pretty good writer, so at least they're not changing important plot details. Deal with that as well. I'm more interested in seeing who is cast for Stannis, Davos, Brienne, and that greyjoy sister. I think if they cast a big name for one of those roles, they can nip the "Yew killt yer mane carakter ill nurver woch agin" crap that's going around the internet.

  • June 24, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST


    by Henry Fool

    Well, it's been a while since I read the first book. I had completely forgotten about him. When I re-read AGOT, I plan to keep an eye on him and Theon.

  • June 24, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST


    by jbinminot

    You are right. There is no evidence in the books that Renly is gay. That is a plot point brought in by order of HBO for politics.

  • June 24, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST


    by jbinminot

    I think Tilda Swinton would be perfect for the red witch!

  • June 24, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST

    No shaving scenes...

    by jbinminot the first three books. Nor did Renly get his knob hobbed. That was political correctness. I don't care if GRRM says he's gay. That was just like J.K. Rowling telling her audience Dumbledore was gay after the series was over. It was simply pandering. Dany and Drogo have a boatload of sex in the first book, and it contributes to her development from a girl into a woman.

  • June 24, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Joseph Finnes for Stannis

    by Turingtestee

    Could make a good Davos or Mance. I could see Martin Freeman as Davos as well. John Noble for Balon Greyjoy. Jimi Mistry for Pyat Pree. John Rhyes-Davis for Xaro. Robert Carlyle could also make a good Davos, or Mance. Gina Bellman for Milisandre. Jack Davenport is another good Davos. Brienne is tough, the closest I can do is Princess Fiona from Shrek, although she would also make a passable Asha Greyjoy.

  • June 24, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST


    by VegasRonReturns

    I hate political correctness as much as the next non-lefty, but Renly IS gay. The subtext is all over the place.<p> And GRRM has asserted this for years and years. I doubt a guy who has child-rape in his books gives a flying fuck about being PC when it comes to something so tame as homosexuality.<p>

  • Very slight spoilers. Stannis, Robert, and Jamie all make mention of his gayness, though in a sly, unspeakable kind of way. Even the way he interacts with his lady wife around the time that Brienne appears... totally gay. Read the books again, and you'll see some gayness. I have more examples, but they stray into spoiler territory, so I won't go there til about midway through next season.

  • June 24, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Sorry ... don't see it.

    by Itchy

    Don't think she's all that hot. I always pictured Margarey as a pixish little blond wisp of a piece of ass. Oh well. I always pictured Renly as being a little more charming and engaging that the actor playing him, so what do I know.

  • June 24, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST


    by VegasRonReturns

    ...isn't blonde.

  • But I really enjoyed watching her in The Tudors regardless. Like others have said, I think I'm just going to have to break down and read these books before the next season starts. I'm just hoping that it won't make me dislike the TV series, because I'm really enjoying it thus far.

  • June 24, 2011, 10:49 p.m. CST

    jaime to loras

    by pishowda

    "I'll stick this sword in places even Renly hasn't seen" (from memory) haha!

  • June 24, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST


    by ManInTheMembersOnlyJacket

    is a fucking cockbag. Ban this fucker.

  • June 25, 2011, 12:33 a.m. CST

    lol, you can sure tell who read the books and who didn't

    by halowiscious


  • June 25, 2011, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Renly is clearly a flaming homer. He avoids his hot wife.

    by halowiscious

    Hey, It's a peach, want one?

  • June 25, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Great Renly's Ghost!!!

    by halowiscious

  • June 25, 2011, 2:56 a.m. CST

    More hot babes for GAME OF THRONES 2: THRONE HARDER

    by AsimovLives

    I'm lovingthis series so much. I've turbned myself into a cliché, but i just love this series and i'm such an hardent supporter as so many of you in here. I'll not play a different tune regarding this show. I'm hooked. And this new actress, hot! Hot! Bring her in. The more the merrier! She's actually a pretty good actress too, as from what i saw of her in THE TUDORS.

  • June 25, 2011, 2:56 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

  • June 25, 2011, 2:57 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

  • June 25, 2011, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Not a very relevant character in season two

    by CuervoJones

    But, oye, she´s hot. And Game of Thrones is better than any 2011 motion picture.

  • June 25, 2011, 4:58 a.m. CST

    I must have a very dirty mind

    by CuervoJones

    I found Renly/Loras romance pretty obvious in the books.

  • June 25, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Cuervojones ....

    by Itchy

    I'm just the opposite. I swear it never even occurred to me ... although looking back, it's pretty obvious.

  • June 25, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Vargo Hoat

    by BiggusDickus

    The'th worth a bag of thapphireth!

  • June 25, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Still can't get my head round Wilko Johnson as Ser Ilyn

    by BiggusDickus

    Legendary 'Dr.Feelgood' axeman now chopping heads off traitors in Westeros. Crazy!

  • June 25, 2011, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Renly's homosexuality

    by ManInTheMembersOnlyJacket

    It never occurred to me until I read that Martin had hinted at it. Now it's obvious, and I have no idea how that flew over my head. Seriously, the Rainbow Guard? The Knight of Fucking Flowers?

  • June 25, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    Herc is a failure.

    by Mattman

    No ban of primordial stu? Fail.

  • June 25, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by Mattman

    Thrones, thus far, is up there with the very best of television. The quality of the production design amazes me. The sets, the casting, and the writers' diligence in adhering to all the major plot threads, while adding intelligent new scenes of their own (such as the banter between Varys and Littlefinger) has been unmatched. You might want to pick up the books (if you haven't) after you're done with season 1. It's gonna be a loooong wait till season 2.

  • June 25, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    That's all you got genderblender?

    by skycrapper

    talk about boring trolling... yawn...

  • June 25, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I can be very pacient. You are right about the quality of the production of GAME OF THRONES. HBO does it again. Unbelievable. Not once i haven't the feeling that i'm seeing a real world before my eyes. This show is amazing. As i said before, GAME OF THRONES kicks my ass. And i'm all the happier for it.

  • So you don't like the show. Fair enough. But to mistake it for a bad show is just dumb. And yeah, i also think GAME OF THRONES might get canceled and it will never adapt all the books of the saga. There's that possibility. But so far so good. And evne if this show died with just two seasons, like ROME and CARNIVÁLE, it would still be an amazing series that was all the worth for existing. So you don't dig the show. Your loss, friend. Really.

  • But you are now just trolling, and not very smarty i migth add.

  • June 25, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST


    by Mattman

    You have potential to be a better talkbacker than this blatant trolling you're resorting to right now. If you don't like the show, fine. As much as Franksimms pissed people off, at least he bothered to give indepth reviews of the show. Have you even bothered to watch beyond the first episode? What's the point of insulting its entire fanbase? Some of us are fairly normal people, so that's extremely uncalled for. I know you can be better than this, as I've seen it in other talkbacks. As for the show, the ratings have climbed with every episode, and the finale had a huge number, which guarantees at least a third season. If it gets cancelled, that will really suck, but there's no indication of that at the moment.

  • June 25, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Third season...

    by VegasRonReturns going to happen.<p> Fight it all you want, genderblender, after DVD/Blu-Ray sales smash records, you're going to look pretty stupid.<p> Oh, wait, too late. What happened to this show not finishing it's first season run? remember that lame ass prediction, you fat cunt?<p>

  • June 25, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST


    by thedottedlion

    You are fucking boring.

  • June 25, 2011, 11:06 p.m. CST


    by Fico

    I love her. And my fantasies about her only involve rape about 20% of the time now.

  • June 26, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Genderblender = Weak Troll...

    by Anirban

    1st off, you have no idea what you are talking about. Categorizing females like that is just plain stupid. I know at least a dozen women who do not have "slovenly behavior, poor hygiene and a general lack of table manners." You need to meet new people. "I get so frustrated by fans of sci-fi/fantasyhorror/comics etc thinking they're relevant, that their thoughts matter or that they are anything but a minority." I don't understand why you think that. My opinion means very little. And frankly, this talkback is about discussing the show and the books (without spoilers). Why you have to belittle the people that enjoy a tv show is beyond me. You are making sweeping generalizations and harping on certain stereotypes as if you have met all Game Of Thrones fans. You are not a rebel with a cause, you sir are IGNORANT!

  • June 26, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Re: Renly being gay...

    by The Bunglermoose's more subtext than anything else in the book, because neither Renly nor Sir Loras were point-of-view characters in the novels. It's certainly implied.

  • June 26, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by Mattman

    First off, have you actually bothered watching Thrones beyond the first episode? Secondly, maybe you should try meeting women outside of Comic Con or Blizzcon or wherever the heck you're finding the beasts you just described. Try a bar, or something. You'll be shocked to discover some smoking hot women who enjoy all the shows you just mentioned. Thirdly, calling the escalating ratings an illusion is statistically incorrect. The numbers are there in black and white. The finale brought in Boardwalk Empire pilot numbers. This isn't Firefly.

  • June 26, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Wow, genderblender

    by VegasRonReturns

    That post was meandering and not even close to being on-topic. There's one morsel I'd like to piss on, though. <p> "Plus, there is the simple element that I'm displeased at seeing people work up an illusion in their heads that GAME OF THRONES "increasing in the ratings" means it's of consequence to the majority of the country." <p> What? Who the fuck made that claim? While it's far from the ratings disaster your stupid ass predicted, it's more than enough to garuntee a second, and soon, a third season. Die, already.

  • Just 'cos YOU don't understand it don't mean it don't make no sense, and just 'cos YOU don't like it don't mean it ain't no good!

  • June 26, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Genderblender, oops

    by Mattman

    I misunderstood your illusion comment. Now I see what you were saying. Ratings don't necessarily mean the show is 'of consequence', but the escalation does mean the show is being watched, is being talked about, and is getting renewed. The MAJORITY of the country watches CSI, reality TV, and cooking shows. Does that make them 'of consequence'?

  • June 26, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST

    I have no idea what Genderblender's point is.

    by JediRob

    That rant is completely contradictory on several levels. What does any of that have to with anything? With that entire verbal diatribe I still have no idea if you even like the show? My girlfriend and I both enjoy plenty of genre fare, and I think we both smell pretty good.

  • June 26, 2011, 9:26 p.m. CST

    The Astrodome...

    by VegasRonReturns

    ...seats 3 million? I don't think so.<p> And answer Mattman's point, I'd be interested in seeing how you spin that.

  • June 26, 2011, 11:21 p.m. CST

    its numbers are, relative to reality shows, utterly inconsequential

    by BiggusDickus

    Vastly more people eat a McDonalds each day than savour a fillet steak. Your reasoning implies that more viewers = better quality, which is enough for me to disengage from the interaction...

  • June 27, 2011, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Comparing network ratings to premium cable ratings is kinda dumb.

    by Happyfat73

    Do you also get pissed of when you eat apples and they don't taste like pears?</p> </p> Also, genderblender, given you visit this site, one could assume you are a genre fan. Does this mean you fit the stereotypical fantasy chick, as described in your previous trolling attempt? Just wondering.

  • In this entire Talkback I don't think I see anybody saying anything along the lines of what you're saying. They're simply enjoying/critiquing/discussing the show. Not saying it's a new era of TV. Not saying finally all of America has discovered what we've always enjoyed. Just having a fine old time amongst ourselves. The show is successful enough in it's own right. Nobody thinks it's the most popular thing ever. It'll run as long as it makes money. Same as every other thing ever.

  • June 27, 2011, 1:32 a.m. CST


    by Happyfat73

    I think you'll find that most of the discerning people around here are just grateful that their blue cheese burgers exist, and hope to have them available for as long as possible, and couldn't give a squirt of piss what the McDonalds crowd are eating.</p> </p> Apart from being incredibly pretentious, your posts make you sound like a really bitter and negative individual. Also, referring to any group as if they were some monolithic hive-mind is pretty damn stupid.</p> </p> You seem like one of those people who think that nobody else gets it, except for you – the old "everybody's a moron except me" ethos. That people are to be despised for their taste in entertainment. That's okay, you seem young – you'll probably wake up to yourself in about ten years and cringe at the type of shit you're saying now.

  • June 27, 2011, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Nonsense. You speak nonsense.

    by Happyfat73

    For a start, it's HBO. Their business model is designed to allow high-end, story-centric, adult series to be produced that would never survive on network TV. For proof, one need only point to the entire run of The Wire.</p> </p> In fact, we are in the midst of a TV renaissance... there is more top quality TV now than ever before (both "fangeek fantasia" and otherwise) - Breaking Bad, Boardwalk Empire, Treme, The Walking Dead to name but a few. The TV landscape has never been stronger. In fact, with advertising revenue down because of the economic climate, it's the advertising-reliant networks that are in more trouble than the subscription channels.</p> </p> Finally, guess what the number 1 books is at Amazon at the moment. Go on... guess. Even folks who avoid fantasy are interested in this one - it has what the marketing geniuses would call "buzz" and "water-cooler appeal".

  • June 27, 2011, 3:05 a.m. CST


    by CuervoJones

    It sounds like your ex-girlfriend or some girl you really hate was a fan of Game of Thrones. I understand your hate, but there´s a lot of different people who loves GoT. I even know a very -and clean- hot girl who is a fan of the series.

  • June 27, 2011, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Actually, CJ

    by VegasRonReturns

    She watched the first ep or part of it and decided it was typical LotR mysoginistic fan wank. <p> Which is pretty funny given the strongest characters in the books and the show are women, but whatever. <p> Though this whole argument you put forward, genderblender sounds suspiciously pro-GoT. At least it's fanbase...

  • June 27, 2011, 9 a.m. CST

    Fantasy cliches?

    by The Page

    Bizarre comment. The series practically delights in subverting such cliches. <p>As for the sweeping statements about the fanbase, well, they are just laughable. And this actually relates to the above point: because the series avoids the normal obvious cliches, and because the fantasy elements take a back seat to the story and characters, the show sucks in tons of people who are not normally interested in the genre.

  • But you're aiming at the wrong group of people. Game of Thrones fans tend to be the group of fans that can actually finish a book (and really long ones at that). Will this ever be a Twilight level hit? Hell no it won't. But who cares? Let the masses have their own dumbed down entertainment. I certainly don't care. But I suppose if you're going to put all this in the context of being sexually frustrated with your social circle none of this matters, right?

  • I don't think those that eat at McDonalds on a regular basis are anywhere near that ambitious. Or did you mean the people that run multi-national big-business, homogenized franchises? Where do you live? Is the population over 1 million? Under 100,000? I'm thinking, as someone above also said, it's time to meet some new people.

  • If you believe your own conspiracy theory, I wonder if you understand how counter-productive that suggestion is. You feel marginalized and under-attack so you want to further segregate yourself (and all "genre people") by excluding anyone who wasn't "inside" when the walls went up? Inclusion, not exclusion, is the best weapon against mockery born of ignorance. Before it aired you yourself dismissed this series based on your own prejudices. Now, after having seen it you claim to have "warmed" to it and found something to enjoy. Doubtful you are alone (as the increase in ratings suggests). The surge in book sales also indicates an increase of viewers who are eager to further embrace this series. Had the series been "refused" to everyone except those who beforehand had openly championed it, you and all the other converts would never have "discovered" it. Your prejudices, that Game of Thrones is typical fantasy (of which you pointed out you are definitely not a fan of), would have remained. But now you know different. Welcome to the club; always room for one more.

  • In this entire Talkback I don't think I see anybody saying anything along the lines of what you're saying. They're simply enjoying/critiquing/discussing the show. Not saying it's a new era of TV. Not saying finally all of America has discovered what we've always enjoyed. Just having a fine old time amongst ourselves. The show is successful enough in it's own right. Nobody thinks it's the most popular thing ever. It'll run as long as it makes money. Same as every other thing ever.

  • What a fantastic show! I haven't seen anything this good since ROME and CARNIVÁLE were canceled. I heard that DEADWOOD is also pretty good too. Need to check that out.

  • And i'm still on the 6th episode yet.

  • June 27, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    "Crown for King!" Indeed

    by skycrapper

    Momoa nailed that part.

  • June 27, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Rumors of Stannis and Edmure (I think Edmure) offers went out to

    by skycrapper

    Christopher Eccleston and Tony Curran.

  • June 28, 2011, 1 a.m. CST


    by Anino

    You're a LOON. Sorry...where were we?

  • June 28, 2011, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Genderblender, it doesn't need to be a Big Mac

    by Mattman

    It doesn't need CSI numbers to continue forward. Not quite sure what you're so pissed off about, honestly. You've come on here with a lot of sarcasm and bile and attacked people who are enthusiastic about the show, for no apparent reason. We're all just happy its renewed for now. The numbers are good for HBO and for this genre.

  • June 28, 2011, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Asimov, you would adore Deadwood

    by Mattman

    I know that for a fact.

  • June 29, 2011, 5:42 a.m. CST

    Miss America is a fan

    by CuervoJones

    George RR Martin tells it

  • June 30, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST

    We need to keep this TB going if for no other reason

    by jim

    than to get updates from Asimov as to where he is in the series and get his reactions. I can no longer watch it again for the first time so it's nice to hear from someone who is seeing it with those eyes.

  • July 1, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Casting ideas

    by Gus Sinclair

    HBO seems to resume actors from previous series. With that in mind, I suggest: Davos=John Hawkes Balon Greyjoy=Ian McShane Brienne = Robin Weigert (Calamity Jane) Stannis = Kevin McKidd Melisandre = Polly Walker or Paula Malcolmson Blackfish = Jim Beaver Strong Belwas=Alfred Molina! (or maybe Delaney Williams, who played fat Sgt. Landsman on The Wire) Jaqen H'gar=Garrett Dillahunt Mance Rayder=Clancy Brown Halfhand=Ray Stevenson