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Piping hot Natalie Dormer (she of the fast approaching Captain America movie), who embodied Anne Boleyn on “The Tudors,” will play Margaery Tyrell on next spring’s second season of “Game of Thrones.”
James Hibberd’s exclusive for Entertainment Weekly describes her character:
a (minor spoiler alert) beautiful and shrewd young woman from the influential House Tyrell. She’s pledged to marry the late King Robert’s brother, Renly Baratheon, as part of House Tyrell’s support for his bid to seize the Iron Throne from King Joffrey.
If Dormer can’t turn Renly straight, then it can’t be done.
Find all of EW’s story on the matter here.
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She will be great in this!!!
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Basically watched tudors S1 to get to her boobies
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word
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As someone who is 1/3 of the way into the third book, I honestly do not remember the book alluding to Renly being gay and certainly don't remember a scene where he's schlobbin' some knight's knob. Do the books actually address this? Because if they did, it flew right over my head.
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June 23, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST
Spring 2012 is soooo far away!! I'm tempted to read the books
by Andy Pandy
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Stop casting teenagers with people in their late 20s. Thanks.
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or whatever she was. I'm kind of curious to see who they cast as her, and how they handle her, ahem, power. For the unitiated, let's just say its pretty shocking even when you see it coming.
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Are the characters really teens on the television show? I don't recall them ever mentioning ages.
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He DOES have a Rainbow Knightguard....lol
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Renly isn't a pov character and so he has never been shown doing the deed. Did you ever think it odd that Renly and Loras spent so much time alone praying together?
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Please continue to find reasons to post GOT talkbacks.
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"Even if you saw it coming".......? Who could possibly have seen it coming? LOL
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Jon, Robb and Dany are supposed to be around 17, since that is how long ago the rebellion took place in the TV timeline. They all look to be in their early 20s though, so perhaps we should all just mentally adjust the timeline a bit further and say it was 22 years ago. Either way, it doesn't make sense for Margaery not to be married already if she is in her 20s, much less mid-late 20s as Dormer is (and looks. Beautiful as she is, she looks her age). She is the only daughter of the second richest house in Westeros, she should have been pledged to someone for political alliance before she even hit puberty.
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Ryan Dunn. So he needs a hetero obit!
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That's what I want to know. I love this Show I have to pick up the books because I can't wait for next season!
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It ages like a fine wine.
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June 23, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST
Biggest giveaway that Renly is gay, from Book 2 (very, very, very minor spoiler warning for the sissies)
by Happyfat73
He calls his personal guard, the Rainbow Guard (his version of The Kingsguard).</p> </p> So, he'll marry one Tyrell, whilst getting his knob polished by another.
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third of the way into the second book, and didn't catch that...hmm. spoiler alert?
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I should probably finish that show.
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June 23, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST
There are a few slight hints that he is not a masculine as other men but nowhere is he fully outed*(so far)
by claxdog
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Natalie was great in the Tudors. Good job, Herc. We need more GoT articles. It's going to be a long fucking wait....
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Gonna stay away from the books, though-- the twists of this show are nearly all the fun. Haven't enjoyed watching a show with a group of rowdy friends this much since LOST, and GOT makes LOST look like, um, LOST.
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I'm right with you man. This is the best show since Lost IMO. I want to read the books so bad but don't want to spoil it for myself.
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It is never said in the book for certain, and most people who read the book without having seen the gay scene in the show will not think that either of them are. There are a couple of mentions through the first 4 books about Margery being a maid though being married to Renly and about Sansa not being Loras' type. but they are usually just minor mentions in passing from random characters.
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...but then again everyone pretty much is aged up a bit. Gendry looks about 30.
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June 23, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST
Her willingness to do nude scenes as evidenced by The Tudors will unfortunatley...
by JediRob
...not come in handy too much. I can't recall many times where Margarey got naked.
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I don't mind if they cast people with a couple more years on them than their characters but a decade is a bit much.
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I never make it past the sixth episode and I've tried like 3 times. It's on Netflix streaming now, so I may try again. I've heard season 2 is very good.
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I just finished rereading the books in preparation for the release of the fifth book, and IIRC, it's implied at least once in every book that Renly is gay.
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There are some very large age differences in the casting... Dany was 12 at the beginning of the first book, although they avoid mentioning her age in the TV series.
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June 23, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST
I'd break my dick in that chick for she is the owner of my boner
by torontoxic
I dunno if its the Drew Barrymore mouth thing or the crystal eyes or what but something about her says 'do me'. <P> So I'm good with this news. Though the dragon queen chick is also very hot. I say take a leap from the books and lesbo them out for a half hour or so. See if anyone minds. Come on HBO. You know you love to add in as much pro gay stuff to every show as you can. I bet the writers would even scribble that out for free.
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Not my first choice, but who am I to complain when my favorite books are made into reality!
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...blew Natalie Dormer out of the water in the Tudors. Stone was so unbelievably hot in that show I had no idea it was even her. And when someone told me it was, I didn't believe it! (See what I did there?) So far so good with Game of Thrones, though. I'm sure Dormer will be fine (in every sense of the word) and very, very nude. Have I mentioned that I love this show?
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I thought everything was perfect, even most of the changes... except that. It was just necessary. The scene of Loras shaving Renly didn't even tie into the season at all. Felt very out of place. I don't mind the changes that turned out for the better. For example, I think the first Drogo/Dany sex scene actually enhanced their overall story arc and made for a better payoff. The Renly change was pointless.
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June 23, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST
RE: Jedirob, HBO has shown a ton of skin that wasn't in the books
by SirGaryColeman
So I'd say there's a pretty good chance they'll do it some more. I have no clue who she is, but she looks like a good choice to me. Oh and add me to the list of people who didn't realize Renly was supposed to be gay until I read it on a website somewhere. He was a manly, charismatic, strong warrior type. I liked him better in the book. He's a stereotypical gay dude in the tv show.
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The first real hint of it was when he gave Sansa the flower. She thought he was looking at the crowd, he was looking at Renly. GRRM made note of who was sitting where so you know where he was looking. Then later in the third book when she talks to Loras about when he gave her the flower, he didnt even remember her. As for the new chick's casting, I can see it.
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June 23, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST
Stannis makes a crack/alludes to at some point Renly being gay.
by JediRob
It is subtle, but something along the lines of,Renly saying that Margerey is a maid, and Stannis says something along the lines of "she's like to stay that way in your bed!"
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June 23, 2011, 10:45 p.m. CST
And he's got the "Knight of Flowers" in that "Rainbow Guard" of his.
by JediRob
I mean come on!
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Okay, having a 17-year-old run around being a soldier may be okay in a book, but watching 17-year-old kids play the main characters in the show....it would just look ridiculous. I'm glad they went with older actors. I don't want to see an "Our Gang" version of GOT.
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shoving a sword so far up Renlys ass that Loras couldn't find it . . . something like that.
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**spoiler** I have anticipation wood...
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Rainbow Guard??? His best friend is the Knight of Flowers? I mean, COME ON! What more evidence do you need?
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Great (and straight) minds think alike, I suppose.
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June 23, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST
Graet quote from the book - Renly telling Stannis about marrying Margaery
by BiggusDickus
You'll be pleased to know she'll come to me a virgin
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In your bed, she's like to remain one.
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June 24, 2011, 12:08 a.m. CST
Renly (SPOILER DON'T CLICK ON THIS TITLE IF YOU HAVEN'T READ, AT LEAST, THE FIRST TWO BOOKS OR WATCHED GALACTICA!!!!!)
by Henry Fool
Renly was kind of a super-macho badass in the books. He wasn't as tough as his brothers but he was wildly charismatic. He was also barely in the books, at all. They've made him a much more important character here.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> SPOILER (close this thread by clicking on the title)<br /> <br /> <br /><br /> <br /> <br /><br /> <br /> <br /><br /> <br /> <br /><br /> <br /> <br /> Too bad he won't be around for long in Season Two. In the books he doesn't appear until the second novel. Almost as soon as they introduce him, he is murdered. His death is an extremely shocking moment. Apart from Daenerys birthing the dragons, Renly's death is the first time we clearly witness the use of magic and it's used in a shockingly violent way. It's the first time we see magic used to assault someone. In fact, it seems the only reason they introduced Renly this season was to set up his inevitable death next year and make it even more shocking.<br /> <br /> Apart from that, Renly's only real role in the story is to precipitate the appearances of Margery Tyrell, Stannis Barratheon, and Brienne; all of whom will become important players in the story. And I don't remember anything about him getting his dick sucked by the Knight of Flowers but it does add some of the story's trademark dark humor, considering who he marries.<br /> <br /> If Mr. Martin continues to write at his present speed, this show will be over before he can release the final book. I wonder how much Weiss and Benioff are getting fed from Martin about things that are going to happen. I worry that the fact that they have access to more knowledge now than they will have later on, as the gap between the series finale and final book closes. I hope the writing stays as sharp in the final years as it is now.<br /> <br /> One of the things I love about Galactica, upon viewing it in its entirety, a year after its finale, is that just about everything that happened at the end was supported by the beginning, namely the nature of the Six that acts as Gaius Baltar's imaginary friend. They could have done more to foreshadow who was going to turn out to be a Cylon, but that was forgivable. I'd guess they probably knew the Chief was one by the time they started writing Season Two but not Saul. I hope this show has the same kind of structural integrity. Ned Stark may be dead but, in the books, he occasionally pops up in people's flashbacks. For me, the most intriguing character in the story was Rhaegar but I don't remember him ever being mentioned in the series. I would love to see a flashback, later on, that tells what really happened between him and Lyanna. I think they were probably lovers but that she was murdered by the Mad King, who didn't want his son cavorting with a Stark. Since Robert Barratheon loved Lyanna, this could have been one of the major reasons he wanted Rhaegar dead.<br /> <br /> When Martin finishes the series, part of me hopes he goes on to write a lone prequel novel about Ned, Robert, Rhaegar, Lyanna, and Jaime. Is there anyone reading this who's read all the books who doesn't love Jaime Lannister. Of all the characters who'se perspective we're given, Jaime Lannister is definitely my favorite. He has such an incredible character arc. It's too bad we probably won't see much of him in the next book. Anyway, if you want to talk about this topic, you may e-mail me at: dexter_graves@yahoo.com
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if not then someone else.
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earlier in the book than he is in the show. He was at the river when Aryan disarmed Joffery/ killing of Lady. He's the guy that openly mocks Joffery for being taken down by a girl. Another mention of Renly being gay: I forgot who said it (Littlefinger maybe?) and paraphrased, "They will shove that sword so far up his ass even Loras will be hard-pressed to find it."
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It's alluded to but never confirmed that Renley and The Knight of Flowers had a thing going on. (I'm in the middle of Clash Of Kings).
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Martin has admitted as such, although he says it is never explicit in the books. It is implied more through 'in jokes' that mostly gay people would pick up on (being best buds with the Knight of the Flowers and having the Rainbow Guard being ones I noticed) There is a couple of passages in book 2 where it is a bit more obviously hinted at. By memory, these are Stannis mocking Renly's marraige to Margaery, insinuating that she is unlikely to give him a child. There is also a part where someone laughs about Renly running around with the 'Knight of the Pansies' or something like that.
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June 24, 2011, 8:31 a.m. CST
alright. Now bring on Stannis, Brienne, Melisandre and Davos
by skycrapper
Lea Seydoux = Ygritte
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Mark Strong as Stannis is the best rumor I've heard. I also loved the rumor of Gerard Butler as Mance Rayder. If they can get either of those actors, it would be a coup for the show.
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Give him either Davos or Mance Rayder. He would kill in either of those roles. However Mance doesn't show up until book 3.
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so deserves an AICN obit!
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It was a politically correct invention for the series
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YOU STUPID FUCKER
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It is known.
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June 24, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST
STANNIS KILLS RENLY IN SEASON 2
by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes
spoiler
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June 24, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST
THEN, IN SEASON 3, ROBB AND CAT DIE
by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes
spoiler
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June 24, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST
IN THE END, STANNIS IS KING
by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes
spoiler
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primordial_stu_and_the_deep_fried_bumhol you're a Dick
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he's probably banned. Already, King Joffrey demands Ser Ilyn to bring him his head.
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Looking forward to seeing her in the coming seasons. She had some great sex scenes in ASoS as I recall.
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June 24, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST
TYRION KILLS SHAE AND TYWIN
by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes
mild spoiler
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June 24, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST
JON SNOW IS TAKEN PRISONER BY STANNIS WHO BELIEVES HE IS PLOTTING WITH THE LANNISTERS
by Bunger!
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June 24, 2011, 9:49 a.m. CST
LITTLEFINGER IS MADE HAND TO JOFFREY WHO HAS STANNIS FLAYED ALIVE AT THE END OF BOOK 4
by Bunger!
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and/or ban this mofo. "primordial_stu_and_the_deep_fried_bumhol" - you are, good sir, an amazing douche.
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June 24, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST
Here's how I envision the book series ending (no spoilers, just speculation)
by Sick Fixx
I predict that winter will finally set in and Daenerys' campaign for the Iron Throne will become a huge success. The Others break through the Wall and into Westeros and only Daenerys' dragons can battle them. All the houses swear fealty to her in the end and seat her on the Iron Throne. I also believe the identity of Jon Snow's mother will be more important than we've been led to believe and he will become much more than a simple bastard son keeping watch and barking orders in the Night's Watch.
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June 24, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST
Some of those aren't even spoilers, some of them are outright lies
by Sick Fixx
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June 24, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST
BUNGERS SPOILERS ARE RED HERRINGS
by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes
mine are true. i just wanna ruin sombody's day. i never did anything bad in life. this is m outlet.
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I'd tend to agree with at least the dragons vs. the Others thing, especially as the series is called "A Song of Fire and Ice" heheh. We're talking MASSIVE battle with the Horn of Winter being a huge macguffin. Still need to figure out who the Great Other is...
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June 24, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST
A CHARACTER NAMED STU TURNS UP IN BOOK TWO, AND HIS ONLY PURPOSE IS TO BE SODOMIZED BY THE HOUND
by Bunger!
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June 24, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST
primordial_stu_and_the_deep_fried_bumhol that's just sad dude
by skycrapper
And considering all you're spoilers aren't even correct I assume you haven't read the books. Go back to cubical jockeying or whatever you do in your pathetic life.
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June 24, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST
skyscrapper-deuce: probably a fucking nigger
by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes
spoiler
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June 24, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST
fuck this shit, niggerfags, i'm outta here.
by Primordial_Stu_and_the_Deep_Fried_Bumholes
you do not deserve my presence. lick your fathers' shit from my cockhead, you miserable jewfags!
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Trolls gotta troll, I guess.
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June 24, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST
Be sure to flip the double bird and slam a beer on your way out
by skycrapper
of the cubical that is.
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June 24, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST
Someone that horribly insensitive must be compensating for something.
by mbg98
My guess is that he (assuming it's a he, just from the violence and stupidity of the misplaced rhetoric) is a 5 foot 4, 375 lb, zit-backed, meth sniffing high school dropout with an astounding propensity towards booger-flicking and jerking off to kiddie porn. But that's just my guess.
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June 24, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST
@Caprica re: Renly being gay some sort of political correctness
by JediRob
There were several examples given of where it is addressed in the book. As well as George R. Martin confirming it.
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READ THE DAMN BOOKS YOU LAZY ILLITERATE BASTARDS!
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June 24, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST
I wouldn't read any Thrones forums if I hadn't read the books
by Mattman
Honestly, those who haven't should just stay away at this point. There are too many dickless trolls here.
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I've read the books, so I'm ok. But seriously, WHAT. THE. FUCK.
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June 24, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST
How ironic, given that they fired Tamzin Merchant, who was Catherine Howard
by _V_
Ironic, given that they fired Tamzin Merchant, who was originally cast as Daenerys Targaryen. Tamzin played wife #5, Catherine Howard. My lingering suspicion is that while Tamzin has that "angular" look to her face some demanded that Dany should have....I suspect that the day she did her first nude scene they realized that she's disgustingly anorexic, so they went with someone who looks like a normal person. Then they sought out Emilia Clarke....who at the time was most famous for a series of PSAs on child abuse in which she wordlessly stares into the camera crying....which is actually spot-on for Dany Targaryen. So now they've got the more famous wife #2, Anne Boleyn, as Margaery Tyrell? This isn't just a minor character....I mean she's fairly minor now but she's one of the core characters, one of THE major players by season 4 of this series, if the books are any basis. The weird thing is that she's 16 in the books.....and she keeps making marriage alliances with people much younger than that. Now they have an even older actress. I always wondered if Margaery A - knew her brother Loras was gay, B - knew that she was marrying his boyfriend. My impression, at least, was that she knew but didn't care, i.e. it was just a paper marriage to her, it was a joke they were all in on.
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June 24, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST
Also emailed Herc... he's been good about deleting that stuff in the past
by Mattman
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You're wrong about Renly, he's in the GoT book more than he's in the show. He has several scenes with the Small Council and is introduced when he, Loras and Payne catch up with Barratheon's wagon train returning from Winterfell with the Starks. He has one of the funniest lines in the book after Joff gets his ass handed to him by Arya.<p> You get a strong sense of his charisma, sense of humor and overall charm in the book. In the show, you don't. In fact, guys I watched the show with(who hadn't read the book) forgot about him until I reminded them who he was, which got a "Oh, that whiney guy". That perception couldn't be more opposite of how he is in the book.
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Let's face it, folks. The characters are older in the show. Deal with that. Martin's a pervert, but a pretty good writer, so at least they're not changing important plot details. Deal with that as well. I'm more interested in seeing who is cast for Stannis, Davos, Brienne, and that greyjoy sister. I think if they cast a big name for one of those roles, they can nip the "Yew killt yer mane carakter ill nurver woch agin" crap that's going around the internet.
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Well, it's been a while since I read the first book. I had completely forgotten about him. When I re-read AGOT, I plan to keep an eye on him and Theon.
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You are right. There is no evidence in the books that Renly is gay. That is a plot point brought in by order of HBO for politics.
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I think Tilda Swinton would be perfect for the red witch!
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...in the first three books. Nor did Renly get his knob hobbed. That was political correctness. I don't care if GRRM says he's gay. That was just like J.K. Rowling telling her audience Dumbledore was gay after the series was over. It was simply pandering. Dany and Drogo have a boatload of sex in the first book, and it contributes to her development from a girl into a woman.
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Could make a good Davos or Mance. I could see Martin Freeman as Davos as well. John Noble for Balon Greyjoy. Jimi Mistry for Pyat Pree. John Rhyes-Davis for Xaro. Robert Carlyle could also make a good Davos, or Mance. Gina Bellman for Milisandre. Jack Davenport is another good Davos. Brienne is tough, the closest I can do is Princess Fiona from Shrek, although she would also make a passable Asha Greyjoy.
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I hate political correctness as much as the next non-lefty, but Renly IS gay. The subtext is all over the place.<p> And GRRM has asserted this for years and years. I doubt a guy who has child-rape in his books gives a flying fuck about being PC when it comes to something so tame as homosexuality.<p>
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June 24, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST
Political correctness? What is politically correct (or incorrect) about sucking dick?
by thedottedlion
Very slight spoilers. Stannis, Robert, and Jamie all make mention of his gayness, though in a sly, unspeakable kind of way. Even the way he interacts with his lady wife around the time that Brienne appears... totally gay. Read the books again, and you'll see some gayness. I have more examples, but they stray into spoiler territory, so I won't go there til about midway through next season.
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Don't think she's all that hot. I always pictured Margarey as a pixish little blond wisp of a piece of ass. Oh well. I always pictured Renly as being a little more charming and engaging that the actor playing him, so what do I know.
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...isn't blonde.
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June 24, 2011, 10:02 p.m. CST
Eh, sometimes she looks really hot, sometimes she looks buttered
by Jaka
But I really enjoyed watching her in The Tudors regardless. Like others have said, I think I'm just going to have to break down and read these books before the next season starts. I'm just hoping that it won't make me dislike the TV series, because I'm really enjoying it thus far.
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"I'll stick this sword in places even Renly hasn't seen" (from memory) haha!
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is a fucking cockbag. Ban this fucker.
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June 25, 2011, 12:33 a.m. CST
lol, you can sure tell who read the books and who didn't
by halowiscious
Idiots!!!!
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June 25, 2011, 12:37 a.m. CST
Renly is clearly a flaming homer. He avoids his hot wife.
by halowiscious
Hey, It's a peach, want one?
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I'm lovingthis series so much. I've turbned myself into a cliché, but i just love this series and i'm such an hardent supporter as so many of you in here. I'll not play a different tune regarding this show. I'm hooked. And this new actress, hot! Hot! Bring her in. The more the merrier! She's actually a pretty good actress too, as from what i saw of her in THE TUDORS.
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But, oye, she´s hot. And Game of Thrones is better than any 2011 motion picture.
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I found Renly/Loras romance pretty obvious in the books.
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I'm just the opposite. I swear it never even occurred to me ... although looking back, it's pretty obvious.
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The'th worth a bag of thapphireth!
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June 25, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST
Still can't get my head round Wilko Johnson as Ser Ilyn
by BiggusDickus
Legendary 'Dr.Feelgood' axeman now chopping heads off traitors in Westeros. Crazy!
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It never occurred to me until I read that Martin had hinted at it. Now it's obvious, and I have no idea how that flew over my head. Seriously, the Rainbow Guard? The Knight of Fucking Flowers?
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No ban of primordial stu? Fail.
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Thrones, thus far, is up there with the very best of television. The quality of the production design amazes me. The sets, the casting, and the writers' diligence in adhering to all the major plot threads, while adding intelligent new scenes of their own (such as the banter between Varys and Littlefinger) has been unmatched. You might want to pick up the books (if you haven't) after you're done with season 1. It's gonna be a loooong wait till season 2.
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talk about boring trolling... yawn...
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I can be very pacient. You are right about the quality of the production of GAME OF THRONES. HBO does it again. Unbelievable. Not once i haven't the feeling that i'm seeing a real world before my eyes. This show is amazing. As i said before, GAME OF THRONES kicks my ass. And i'm all the happier for it.
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June 25, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST
genderblender, fuck off, dude, GAME OF THRONES is too good to just have a limited audience like you mention.
by AsimovLives
So you don't like the show. Fair enough. But to mistake it for a bad show is just dumb. And yeah, i also think GAME OF THRONES might get canceled and it will never adapt all the books of the saga. There's that possibility. But so far so good. And evne if this show died with just two seasons, like ROME and CARNIVÁLE, it would still be an amazing series that was all the worth for existing. So you don't dig the show. Your loss, friend. Really.
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June 25, 2011, 2 p.m. CST
genderblender, at first i defended you because you claimed ot be a girl and all that, and at first yours was an original viewpoint
by AsimovLives
But you are now just trolling, and not very smarty i migth add.
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You have potential to be a better talkbacker than this blatant trolling you're resorting to right now. If you don't like the show, fine. As much as Franksimms pissed people off, at least he bothered to give indepth reviews of the show. Have you even bothered to watch beyond the first episode? What's the point of insulting its entire fanbase? Some of us are fairly normal people, so that's extremely uncalled for. I know you can be better than this, as I've seen it in other talkbacks. As for the show, the ratings have climbed with every episode, and the finale had a huge number, which guarantees at least a third season. If it gets cancelled, that will really suck, but there's no indication of that at the moment.
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...is going to happen.<p> Fight it all you want, genderblender, after DVD/Blu-Ray sales smash records, you're going to look pretty stupid.<p> Oh, wait, too late. What happened to this show not finishing it's first season run? remember that lame ass prediction, you fat cunt?<p>
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You are fucking boring.
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I love her. And my fantasies about her only involve rape about 20% of the time now.
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1st off, you have no idea what you are talking about. Categorizing females like that is just plain stupid. I know at least a dozen women who do not have "slovenly behavior, poor hygiene and a general lack of table manners." You need to meet new people. "I get so frustrated by fans of sci-fi/fantasyhorror/comics etc thinking they're relevant, that their thoughts matter or that they are anything but a minority." I don't understand why you think that. My opinion means very little. And frankly, this talkback is about discussing the show and the books (without spoilers). Why you have to belittle the people that enjoy a tv show is beyond me. You are making sweeping generalizations and harping on certain stereotypes as if you have met all Game Of Thrones fans. You are not a rebel with a cause, you sir are IGNORANT!
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...it's more subtext than anything else in the book, because neither Renly nor Sir Loras were point-of-view characters in the novels. It's certainly implied.
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First off, have you actually bothered watching Thrones beyond the first episode? Secondly, maybe you should try meeting women outside of Comic Con or Blizzcon or wherever the heck you're finding the beasts you just described. Try a bar, or something. You'll be shocked to discover some smoking hot women who enjoy all the shows you just mentioned. Thirdly, calling the escalating ratings an illusion is statistically incorrect. The numbers are there in black and white. The finale brought in Boardwalk Empire pilot numbers. This isn't Firefly.
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That post was meandering and not even close to being on-topic. There's one morsel I'd like to piss on, though. <p> "Plus, there is the simple element that I'm displeased at seeing people work up an illusion in their heads that GAME OF THRONES "increasing in the ratings" means it's of consequence to the majority of the country." <p> What? Who the fuck made that claim? While it's far from the ratings disaster your stupid ass predicted, it's more than enough to garuntee a second, and soon, a third season. Die, already.
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June 26, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST
I am reminded of a Suicidal Tendencies lyric whenever I read Genderblender's diatribes...
by BiggusDickus
Just 'cos YOU don't understand it don't mean it don't make no sense, and just 'cos YOU don't like it don't mean it ain't no good!
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I misunderstood your illusion comment. Now I see what you were saying. Ratings don't necessarily mean the show is 'of consequence', but the escalation does mean the show is being watched, is being talked about, and is getting renewed. The MAJORITY of the country watches CSI, reality TV, and cooking shows. Does that make them 'of consequence'?
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That rant is completely contradictory on several levels. What does any of that have to with anything? With that entire verbal diatribe I still have no idea if you even like the show? My girlfriend and I both enjoy plenty of genre fare, and I think we both smell pretty good.
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...seats 3 million? I don't think so.<p> And answer Mattman's point, I'd be interested in seeing how you spin that.
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June 26, 2011, 11:21 p.m. CST
its numbers are, relative to reality shows, utterly inconsequential
by BiggusDickus
Vastly more people eat a McDonalds each day than savour a fillet steak. Your reasoning implies that more viewers = better quality, which is enough for me to disengage from the interaction...
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June 27, 2011, 12:11 a.m. CST
Comparing network ratings to premium cable ratings is kinda dumb.
by Happyfat73
Do you also get pissed of when you eat apples and they don't taste like pears?</p> </p> Also, genderblender, given you visit this site, one could assume you are a genre fan. Does this mean you fit the stereotypical fantasy chick, as described in your previous trolling attempt? Just wondering.
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June 27, 2011, 1:09 a.m. CST
Where exactly is this behavior taking place that it is bothering you so much?
by JediRob
In this entire Talkback I don't think I see anybody saying anything along the lines of what you're saying. They're simply enjoying/critiquing/discussing the show. Not saying it's a new era of TV. Not saying finally all of America has discovered what we've always enjoyed. Just having a fine old time amongst ourselves. The show is successful enough in it's own right. Nobody thinks it's the most popular thing ever. It'll run as long as it makes money. Same as every other thing ever.
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I think you'll find that most of the discerning people around here are just grateful that their blue cheese burgers exist, and hope to have them available for as long as possible, and couldn't give a squirt of piss what the McDonalds crowd are eating.</p> </p> Apart from being incredibly pretentious, your posts make you sound like a really bitter and negative individual. Also, referring to any group as if they were some monolithic hive-mind is pretty damn stupid.</p> </p> You seem like one of those people who think that nobody else gets it, except for you – the old "everybody's a moron except me" ethos. That people are to be despised for their taste in entertainment. That's okay, you seem young – you'll probably wake up to yourself in about ten years and cringe at the type of shit you're saying now.
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For a start, it's HBO. Their business model is designed to allow high-end, story-centric, adult series to be produced that would never survive on network TV. For proof, one need only point to the entire run of The Wire.</p> </p> In fact, we are in the midst of a TV renaissance... there is more top quality TV now than ever before (both "fangeek fantasia" and otherwise) - Breaking Bad, Boardwalk Empire, Treme, The Walking Dead to name but a few. The TV landscape has never been stronger. In fact, with advertising revenue down because of the economic climate, it's the advertising-reliant networks that are in more trouble than the subscription channels.</p> </p> Finally, guess what the number 1 books is at Amazon at the moment. Go on... guess. Even folks who avoid fantasy are interested in this one - it has what the marketing geniuses would call "buzz" and "water-cooler appeal".
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It sounds like your ex-girlfriend or some girl you really hate was a fan of Game of Thrones. I understand your hate, but there´s a lot of different people who loves GoT. I even know a very -and clean- hot girl who is a fan of the series.
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She watched the first ep or part of it and decided it was typical LotR mysoginistic fan wank. <p> Which is pretty funny given the strongest characters in the books and the show are women, but whatever. <p> Though this whole argument you put forward, genderblender sounds suspiciously pro-GoT. At least it's fanbase...
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Bizarre comment. The series practically delights in subverting such cliches. <p>As for the sweeping statements about the fanbase, well, they are just laughable. And this actually relates to the above point: because the series avoids the normal obvious cliches, and because the fantasy elements take a back seat to the story and characters, the show sucks in tons of people who are not normally interested in the genre.
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June 27, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST
Genderblender, I kind of get what you're saying (even through all the contradictions)
by skycrapper
But you're aiming at the wrong group of people. Game of Thrones fans tend to be the group of fans that can actually finish a book (and really long ones at that). Will this ever be a Twilight level hit? Hell no it won't. But who cares? Let the masses have their own dumbed down entertainment. I certainly don't care. But I suppose if you're going to put all this in the context of being sexually frustrated with your social circle none of this matters, right?
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June 27, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST
genderblender: "the McDonalds people are desperate, DESPERATE, to eliminate the blue cheese burgers, are out to crush them"
by jim
I don't think those that eat at McDonalds on a regular basis are anywhere near that ambitious. Or did you mean the people that run multi-national big-business, homogenized franchises? Where do you live? Is the population over 1 million? Under 100,000? I'm thinking, as someone above also said, it's time to meet some new people.
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June 27, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST
genderblender: "it's up to genre people to unite against them, stand up and rise up and refuse them and exclude them from anything fun, interesting or creative."
by jim
If you believe your own conspiracy theory, I wonder if you understand how counter-productive that suggestion is. You feel marginalized and under-attack so you want to further segregate yourself (and all "genre people") by excluding anyone who wasn't "inside" when the walls went up? Inclusion, not exclusion, is the best weapon against mockery born of ignorance. Before it aired you yourself dismissed this series based on your own prejudices. Now, after having seen it you claim to have "warmed" to it and found something to enjoy. Doubtful you are alone (as the increase in ratings suggests). The surge in book sales also indicates an increase of viewers who are eager to further embrace this series. Had the series been "refused" to everyone except those who beforehand had openly championed it, you and all the other converts would never have "discovered" it. Your prejudices, that Game of Thrones is typical fantasy (of which you pointed out you are definitely not a fan of), would have remained. But now you know different. Welcome to the club; always room for one more.
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June 27, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST
Where exactly is this behavior taking place that it is bothering you so much?
by JediRob
In this entire Talkback I don't think I see anybody saying anything along the lines of what you're saying. They're simply enjoying/critiquing/discussing the show. Not saying it's a new era of TV. Not saying finally all of America has discovered what we've always enjoyed. Just having a fine old time amongst ourselves. The show is successful enough in it's own right. Nobody thinks it's the most popular thing ever. It'll run as long as it makes money. Same as every other thing ever.
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June 27, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST
Just watched the 6th episode and this show is just getting better and better
by AsimovLives
What a fantastic show! I haven't seen anything this good since ROME and CARNIVÁLE were canceled. I heard that DEADWOOD is also pretty good too. Need to check that out.
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June 27, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST
I have nothing more to add to this talkback but to express my sheer enthusiasm for this show.
by AsimovLives
And i'm still on the 6th episode yet.
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Momoa nailed that part.
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June 27, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST
Rumors of Stannis and Edmure (I think Edmure) offers went out to
by skycrapper
Christopher Eccleston and Tony Curran. http://tinyurl.com/64nyyq4
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You're a LOON. Sorry...where were we?
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It doesn't need CSI numbers to continue forward. Not quite sure what you're so pissed off about, honestly. You've come on here with a lot of sarcasm and bile and attacked people who are enthusiastic about the show, for no apparent reason. We're all just happy its renewed for now. The numbers are good for HBO and for this genre.
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I know that for a fact.
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George RR Martin tells it http://grrm.livejournal.com/223777.html
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than to get updates from Asimov as to where he is in the series and get his reactions. I can no longer watch it again for the first time so it's nice to hear from someone who is seeing it with those eyes.
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HBO seems to resume actors from previous series. With that in mind, I suggest: Davos=John Hawkes Balon Greyjoy=Ian McShane Brienne = Robin Weigert (Calamity Jane) Stannis = Kevin McKidd Melisandre = Polly Walker or Paula Malcolmson Blackfish = Jim Beaver Strong Belwas=Alfred Molina! (or maybe Delaney Williams, who played fat Sgt. Landsman on The Wire) Jaqen H'gar=Garrett Dillahunt Mance Rayder=Clancy Brown Halfhand=Ray Stevenson
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