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U-571 Trailer Online
Hey folks, Harry here. Looks like the U-571 trailer has hit online, and... it looks interesting. So far I've just watched the Real Media version of the trailer, as I haven't had time to grab the MOV yet... But... without further ado... Here ya go...
Here's the Official U-571 Website
And Here's The MOV
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Jan 16, 2000 5:40:10 PM CST
Is it just me, or are all submarine movies really cool?
by cassius the evil
As long as they have a big all-russian chorus at the beginning, it should be fine.
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...I'm not putting my money on it. After all, Dino DeLautentiis has not produced a good movie in eons (with the exception of BREAKDOWN), and I have a hard time accepting Matthew McCaunahey as a believable actor. By the way, if you want to see a good sub movie, rent the director's cut of DAS BOOT. That is one hell of a good film.
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Jan 16, 2000 6:14:15 PM CST
Is it me, of is that big face of Harry in the corner starting to
by stephen dedalus
Is that a new effect, or what? Maybe I'm just dillusional.
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Jan 16, 2000 6:21:26 PM CST
ALL movies should have Russian choruses on the soundtrack.
by frank grimes
There's not a movie made that wouldn't be improved by a booming Slavic men's choir on the soundtrack.
Armaggeddon? Check.
Air Force One? Helped immeasurably.
Ferris Beuller's Day Off? You betcha. -
There is that wonderful scene in THE IRON GIANT when THE GIANT jumps in a lake and soaks the surrounding landscape. It would seem that THE GIANT is waterproof. This brings up an interesting idea for a twist in a movie like U-571. It could not be done for this movie, but perhaps another one similar to it. Because the glacier that THE GIANT ended up on is not land locked to any major continent and he would not want to fly for fear of being shot down again, THE GIANT is going to have to traverse a large distance underwater. This could supply a chance for THE IRON GIANT to encounter and battle a crazy ex-Russian submarine captain who is intent on destroying New York. The movie would be called something like
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Yet another distortion of history, courtesy of the Americans. It was British Commandos who captured the Enigma - and besides, when this happened, the Americans hadn't even joined the war.
I guess that facts don't count in Hollywood..
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Okay, I'll bite. Harry seems to have already deleted John&Nancy's (or Jack&Nancy or Sid&Nancy or whatever) post. In the interest of idle gossip, what did they SAY that's got everyone up in arms?
Oh, and Spectre1138 - America DID save the world. If we'd sat out the War, the British (valiant though they were) would have ended up getting their asses kicked, and most of the rest of planet Earth would soon have followed. Learn to live with it. -
Yes, Stephen, Harry is making faces at us, I think. Just twice since I've been (no make that 3 times) writing this TalkBack, Harry's visage is sticking it's tounge out at me. (No, make that 4, stratch that, 5, no 6. What's up with that, Harry?) Now it's seven. I can't keep track of them all! Eight times is enough! Harry, why must you torment me with nine 'raspberries'?--Saulot--
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Das Boot repackaged with a crappy plot doesnt mean it will still be a good movie. While from the trailer it appears they have tried to keep some form of technical accuracy, with such a thing as "The Enigma" actually existing on German U-Boats, the plot is still looks quite thin, and the acting subpar.
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that they have a little boy named Jeremy who is afraid to see movies because,they claim,he read the review for Toy Story 2 on this site and in the text,ALLEGEDLY Harry said he's a pedophile and loves little boys. Now,according to them,Jeremy won't see the movie because the review"scared him"and he's afraid Harry"will be there".What a bunch of jackasses,huh?
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Regardless of what the Americans did or didn't do in the War. The simple fact of the matter is the Engima device WAS NOT captured by Americans. How many times must Hollywood distort history and do it so blatantly.
Add to that list rubbish like The Ghost and the Dark - with Micheal Douglas's 'created' character purely invented for the benefit of pathetic suits who think that audiences will go 'Gee there's no main American characters - this sucks'.
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Except for the cool stunt with the truck hanging off the bridge, crap. I wasn't impressed witn the U-571 script either. Where do they find the money for the films?
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listen folks,
I have a slowass inet connexxion.
Does anybody know a trick to download these trailers a bit faster? (the last one took me 1,5 hours!!!). Thanks and Cheers!!! -
I am not denying the Americvan involvement in the war - YES you saved us all - we couldn't have done it without you. Well done, congratulations etc. BUT...
Why do you feel, or indeed, why does Hollywood feel it necessary to lie about your involvement? -
I've read the script for this and it wasn't all that bad... though I'm not sure of Johnathon Mostows directing abilities as of yet... Breakdown was good but a no brainer for directing duties... Nic Cage and William Forsythe were cast in this originally... so I guess I'll reserve judgement till I see it...
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ENIGMA was handed over to British intel by Polish forces after the German invasion, not by British commandoes. They deciphered some, not all, German communications.
The USS GUADALCANAL captured U-505, not U-571, in order to get German naval ciphers. The U boat is displayed at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. See www.msichicago.org/exhibit/U505/U505home.html.
U-571 was sank by an Australian patrol plane in 1944. See www.uboat.net/boats/u571.html.
I suppose this is a fictional retelling of the GUADALCANAL/U505 match. Too bad. GLORY shows what you can do with a factual story+Hollywood screenwriter+Morgan Freeman, ass-whupper at large. -
Who knows, maybe they actually fail to capture the Enigma machine...to keep with historical accuracy. Of course, that's not very likely. But with that little disclaimer about the potential histocial inaccuracy of the film, I'm still going to see it. Hell, any trailer that inspired me to go out and rent the director's cut of "Das Boot" can't be all bad. And let's not get into a British vs. American "we saved your asses in WWII" argument...they're just stupid. -Loki
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If it wasn't for the Americans, the brits would be goose stepping right about now. Hell, Montgomery couldn't tell the difference between a front and a tea room. If it wasn't for Patton, Romel would have been up his ass further than a coffe catheter
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Jan 16, 2000 10:28:49 PM CST
You hear us, Hollywood? We want more movie soundtracks with chor
by cassius the evil
And none of that fake "synthesized" chorus crap (That means YOU, Hans Zimmer). I want honest-to-god, fucking Ode to Joy and Akira soundtrack quality chorus work! I don't care what language it's in either, so long as I can't understand it; Russian, Japanise, German, whatever! There is not one movie in the known universe which could not be improved by adding a chorus at some point. In fact, there is not one piece of *music* in the known universe that couldn't be improved by adding a chorus at some point! I want to be able to tear down the highway at 90 mph, pop in a soundtrack, sing along with said chorus at the top of my lungs, and not understand *one fucking word*! Really... is that too much to ask?!
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Spectre, I say let's just give the thing the benefit of the doubt until we see it... Yes, of course you guys cracked Enigma, and for this movie to claim otherwise is an historical inaccuracy I'd think they'd know better than to make. As Loki suggested, maybe this movie shows us an (albeit fictional) aborted attempt by the Americans to go after Enigma... I dunno.
I WILL say this, though: I'll forgive quite a bit just to see Bill Paxton, Harvey Keitel, and Jon Bon Jovi kick ass against a German sub. -
These people complaining about US vs UK are missing some key facts! Yes, the Brits captured an Enigma machine from a U-boat first, but so did the Americans!
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Chorus music. Gotta love it. "Duel of the Fates". Gotta love it. Sanskrit...where the hell does Williams come up with this stuff.
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Harry is sticking out his tongue. Not quite Dirk Diggler size, but that's completely irrelevant.
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Where the hell is Pisso the Clown when you need him?
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Does anyone notice the spittle?
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This preview kicks butt!
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U-571 was a bot captured in '43 or '44 (I don't remember) by U.S. Navy hunter/killer task group. The German sub was attacked by aircraft from the U.S.S. Guadalcanal, an escort "jeep" carrier attatched to the U.S. task group. Forced to tthe surface, a boarding party managed to capture the submarine, which was then towed to the Bahamas (I believe). This was the first prize taken by the navy since the war of 1812. Obviously, the history has been greatly exaggerated, but there is some basis in historical fact. As for British A.S.W. (anti-submarine warfare efforts), the Royal navy did manage to board a U-Boat and retrieve its enigma machine (and thus the enigma wheel settings for that month), but I don't believe that they managed to capture the boat. The officer who captured the enigma did not make it out of the u-boat in time and received a posthumus Victorian Cross (the equivalent of a Medal of Honor). Incidently, the idea of boarding a U-Boat to retrieve the enigma wheel settings was proposed by Ian Fleming, who is best known as the creator of James Bond (also incidently, by the time U-571 was captured the Allies were already reading the German Navy's enigma traffic on a routine basis, so the capture of the submarine was more important for the information on the technical aspects of the boat than for the enigma machine)
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Made several grammer mistakes (it is 3:00 am) and one major error: U-505 was the boat the Americans captured, not U-571. Oh well. And why are people complaining about Hollywood exagerating historical truth, especially in regards to the "Yanks saving the world" syndrome. First, Hollywood is in the U.S., and its primary market is still American audiences. Thus, the movies Hollywood makes will be geared more to movie goers here than overseas. And second, Hollywood is in the entertainment business, not the educational business. Movies like "Braveheart" (which is chocked full of historical errors, not the least of which is that at the battle of Sterling Bridge there is no bridge to be found) are still great movies despite the fact that don't exactly follow the history.
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Now this is a movie that I can sink myself into. I certainly hope that it's done right. Hey! I made a pun! =P
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Small point of information: it was the Russians who won the war, not the Americans. You know, those evil Commie types? The American achievement was stopping the Soviets from marching all the way to the Atlantic, not defeating the Nazis. That wasn't the way it was planned, of course, but it is the way it worked out. By the time the western allies came into the war in any substantial way, on D-Day, it was already a forgone conclusion. The only question was how long it would take the Red Army to get to Berlin. Even after the Western Front was opened up, the number of troops involved on both sides paled into insignificance in comparison to the East. Just something to bear in mind before your next nationalist rant. Oh, and U-571 DOES falsify history, there was a bit of a stink about it over here a few months back when this project was getting started. The survivors of the actual operation weren't exactly over the moon for a start.
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there is a Sterling Bridge, I walked across the bloody thing last year. Wether or not it was involved in the actual battle, I'm not sure.
But while Braveheart was packed with little white lies, overall it remained pretty true to history. Although he begged like a little bitch before being killed by The LongShanks. -
Owatonna, you are strengthening my "Americans saved the world" argument. Were it not for us, the British would either have ended up goose-stepping through Piccadilly Circus right now - OR they'd have been shackled under a murderous Communist regime.
You see, there's no guarantee that the Soviets, alone, would have driven the Nazis to final defeat. Hitler's plan was to turn back the D-Day invasion in the west - then, once he'd done that, to concentrate all of his troop strength on the Eastern Front. According to his strategy - and it would quite likely have worked - in this way Stalin would have been faced with the prospect of victory, but at an unacceptable cost, and the U.S.S.R and Germany would have negotiated a separate peace. If the Americans had never ENTERED the war in the first place - well, either Hitler might still have forged a peace with Stalin, or Russia would have rolled right over the Nazis, thus turning all of Europe Communist.
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This was a man who, with a stroke of pen, would order the execution of thousounds of people and treat it as just one more piece of of paper work in the course of the day. I must agree with the previous poster. Even if the D-Day invasion had failed, Stalin would have probably gone all the way to the English Channel; either that, or we would have used the bomb against Hitler as well as against Japan.
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These "what if" scenarios are fascinating, especially because one isolated change would not exist in a vacuum - it would have effected another, larger change, which in turn would have effected ANOTHER, until all of world history is different. If Operation Overlord had been repelled, we'd have had no CHOICE but to nuke Germany - which, in this scenario, would have been strengthened by fighting a two-front war instead of a three-front one (and on one of those fronts, the Mediterranean, they were clamping down against the invaders fairly well). You also have to consider what effect using The Bomb against Germany might have had with Japan - would they have looked at the horror visited upon that country and surrender, for fear of being similarly devastated (Maybe not, since it did take two bombs to get them to surrender)? Meanwhile, a failed Normandy invasion could well have cost President Roosevelt the '44 election, and then who would we have as one of the "Big Three"? Churchill, Stalin, and... Thomas Dewey?! Stalin could very easily have lost faith in his British and American allies and, that coupled with the prospect of fighting Hitler alone, could have led him to seek peace. As callously indifferent as Stalin was to the lives of his countrymen, there would still have come a point at which the potential damage from Germany would too greatly have endangered his future plans. Whew... It's amazing we're here at all.
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Because, as Stalin admitted to his private staff, Russia would not have been able to survive and fight Germany without the Atlantic convoys. He never admitted this to the allies or thanked those servicemen involved however, the vicious bastard. Also, even with Hitler tying up a considerable amount of his forces in the west, Stalin was still having enormous trouble on the East and wanted the allies to open up a second front in '43. Left just to the two of them, the Germans would have won or it would have been a stalemate, no way the Russians would have won. Plus, just for ref, Germans I've seen interviewed who fought on both fronts said they found the western front more difficult, this surprised me but there ya go.
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uh..Stalin killed more people than Hitler did in the concentration camps. Millions more.
Don't forget, the way the Russians "fought" the nazi's were to destroy their own villages, alot of time killing THEIR OWN women between the ages of 16-40, so there were none to rape. Sad, but true.
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The point is, no matter how we won WW2, we did it. We beat the living crap out of those Axis bastards. God Bless the USA!
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Nobody's got the history exactly right, yet. The Enigma machine was originally reverse-engineered by Polish mathematicians and an analog decoder computer was perfected by the British. The Naval Enigma used one more code wheel, though, and it wasn't until the British Navy captured U-110 in 1941 in the North Atlantic that decoding naval communications was possible. [http://uboat.net/boats/u110.htm has the story] ... Yes, the Americans did eventually capture the U-505 (it's right here in Chicago, and a terrific restoration effort is underway after it sat outside for half a century), but it came so late in the sea war, when the German Navy was essentially beaten (we were sinking U-boats faster than they could make them), that it wasn't militarily significant. In order to keep the U-110 capture secret (it only happened because the captain's post-surrender attempt to scuttle failed), the British sunk it the next day. ... I really find it appalling that Saving Private Ryan, like so many American war movies, barely acknowledges the presence of non-American Allied troops. The British, Canadian, Polish, and Free French soldiers who went ashore on D-Day deserve at least a mention. This U-571 crap is another order of magnitude worse, though. What's next: American troops at the seige of Berlin? The US Navy sinking the Bismarck? Patton liberating Stalingrad? ... There's plenty of room for telling interesting, fictionalized accounts about WWII without resorting to rewriting history entirely. Of course, there are people today who think "The Guns of Navarone" was real .... but at least the history classes don't have to tell one story while the students are familiar with another. ... That said, at LEAST they're including a disclaimer, it's said.
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I hate Matthew McConaughey. This movie will have to be fucking great if I'm to put up with him. During his big "summing up" scene in A Time to Kill, I almost busted a lung laughing, his acting was so bad.
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Dhartung, don't forget that while movies like "The Longest Day" looked at the big picture of D-Day, "Private Ryan"'s D-Day sequence focused solely on the effort at Omaha Beach, which WAS tackled only by American divisions (the British and Canadians, meanwhile, took on Juno, Gold, and Sword Beaches). Spielberg made it a point to give us a "worm's-eye" perspective of D-Day, and within the context of a story about the effort to find an American soldier, focusing on the American side of Overlord made perfect sense; it was not historically inaccurate. And Mike - I'm with ya 100% on your sentiments, but it truly is chilling to consider how, if just one event or another had gone differently, all of history could be different.
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...looking back I realise I was largely responsible for escalating this pointless, irrelevant argument. Should have ignored that infantile idiot 1458. Anyway, back to the point. Would Mr Mike like to explain why he thinks it's okay for brave men to be written out of their own achievements just because aome coke-head in Hollywood thinks his target audience would find their nationality...what? Offensive? I won't draw the cliched parallel about what if it had been three African-Americans who had gone onto that sub...but you see where I'm going with this. Incidentally, even that measly disclaimer someone mentioned wouldn't have been there if there hadn't been protests about this. Left to themselves, the makers of this film were quite happy to lie through their teeth and not even acknowledge that they were doing so.
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Jan 17, 2000 7:19:53 PM CST
Owatonna, why don't you reread my post....and Brundledan, I agr
by mr. mike
Did I say people should be written out of their achievements? Hell no! What I did say is that Hollywood is in America, most writers/actors/producers/executives are American (not all, by any means, but a majority), and their principal audience (despite recent advances into oversea markets) are still Americans. Therefore, they will make movies that appeal to Americans. For example, most Americans would prefer to sit through a movie about the role of their countrymen at D-Day rather than the role of the Brits in the Normandy invasion; just because we don't see the British/French/Canadians doesn't mean their achievment has been forgotten, it's just not covered in the context of the movie. Look at German filmakers: how many movies have we seen about Stalingrad coming from Germany? A lot. Why? Because that's the type of movie that appeals to their core audience, namely Germans. And finally, Hollywood is in the entertainment industry; they make movies to entertain people, not to educate them. It's not their job or responsibility to record history on film, giving every group their historical due. People that complain that their country's achievments aren't being represented by Hollywood are forgetting all of these points. Think about it: how many British movie makers tell stories about American experiences? Finally, to conclude my rant, I'd like to say that Brundledan is right. It's a whole lot of fun to think about what might have been. What would have happened, for example, if Montgomery had paid attention to his intelligence and not dropped the British 7th Para right on top of an SS armored division at Arnhem? Perhaps Market/Garden would have been canceled, Patton would have gotten the resources instead, and the Allies would have ended the war in possession of more European territory (like, and I'm murdering the spelling, Czheckslovakia). How would that have affected the Cold War?
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...but I think my point stands. I'm well aware of the reasons why facts are "modified" in this way: the bottom line, as ever. That doesn't alter the fact that it's at best tasteless and at worst contemptible. Your point about entertainment would certainly apply in some cases but I don't believe this to be one of them. Any film based on actual events is likely to tweak the facts for dramatic effect, but this isn't a question of necessary alterations to make it work as a story: it's being changed to stroke the collective ego and pander to the preconceptions of the audience. Call me an naive pedant, but I just don't think that's sufficient justification. Also, we're not talking about the selection of subjects here (all that stuff in your last post about representing peoples' experiences), but about the false depiction of a very specific event. Doctoring the facts to suit the attitudes of the audience is something very different from simply choosing stories that they will find appealing. Anyway, sorry about the bitchy tone of my last post. And I've got to stop using the phrase "last post", I keep hearing mournful bugles blowing.
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It's nice to see all these factual accounts of U-571. If I may add a few lesser-known details: True, the Allies desperately wanted the Enigma device so they sent a commando squad to board U-571 and steal it. They sent four adventurous smut-mouthed construction paper kids to do it. But in mid mission, a pair of big-brained mutant mako sharks began pounding the sides of the sub with their noses, hoping to bash in the doors. The seams began to split and let in water, and U-571 began to sink. The constuction paper kids frantically tried to reach the surface as the sub filled with water. At this point, a witness named Dickie in a row boat was about to blow the secret mission when suddenly a giant crocodile, having just migrated down from a lake in Maine, jumped up and ate Dickie and his companion whose name remains an historical mystery. The smut-mouth kids made it to the surface and were miraculously saved by a gilled man on a catamaran! Just as U-571 went under, gilled-man reached in and pulled out the Enigma. Our Hero! But before they could utter so much as a "butt pirate," the Enola Gay swept down and dropped the Big One which caused a huge tidal wave. The construction paper kids and gillman surfed the wave right over New York, eventually washing up on the Shores of the Ozarks. Gillman, so enraptured at finding land, croaked. (this was not unexpected because as you recall, at the start of the war, he said this was to be the last year of his life). It was here the kids gave the Enigma to six special Allied agents: a bowler, a guy with a shovel, a guy with forks, a furious guy, a flaming flatulator, and an invisible man. Just then, a tree opened up and a cool-looking headless guy on a horse jumped out. He lopped of the head of the hooded boy, then rode off into the mist. It was here, the famous, oft-quoted, rallying cry, "oh my god, they killed Kenny!" was uttered. As the Russians were simultaneously being defeated by the British at the Bloody Battle of Sterling Bridge, the three surviving construction paper kids looked over to see an old man driving by on his riding mower. They waved (the famouse statue pose in Arlington), and everyone made their peace. And that's pretty much how I recall the facts surrounding the U-571 Enigma incident. Can't wait to see the movie.
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This movie looks kick ass. I hope Matt "Bongo-Boy" Mackhonakeyhaeu pops out of the sub and caps Saddam Hussein at the end. That would kick ass too.
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By the by, someone way up there said Michael Douglas' character was made up for "Ghost and the Darkness", actually he wasn't BUT Val Kilmer's character WASN'T an Irish gentleman, he was an English gentleman from Berkshire or Wiltshire, forgotten which. Sorry to point that out, it was just bugging the Hell out of me.
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You done whining yet, Kenobi? Good, because let me say it real slow so you understand clearly: AMERICA... SAVED... BRITAIN'S... ASS. It may offend your nationalistic pride that you guys couldn't do it alone, but you're gonna have to learn to live with it cause that's the simple truth.
It's incredible, how ungrateful so many of you British are. You and the French both seem to have forgotten how much SHIT you would now be eating, one way or another, if not for the U.S.A. You can distort history to Mother England's advantage all you want to, but if you want the honor of living in the GREATEST, most ass-kicking country in the history of the planet, you'll have to come over here. -
Hi there,
The capture of the documents and enigma machine from U-110 helped with the decryption of the U-boat comms but at the start of 1942 the Germans introduced a new type of enigma machine (the M4) which left the British unable to decrypt the intercepts by this version for 10 months until U-559 was captured in Oct 1942. Without this capture the u-boat war in the atlantic would have had far-reaching implications for d-day and the rest of the war. It is this capture which is considered to be the turning point in the battles for the Atlantic and Mediterranean.
Two of the crew of the capturing ship HMS Petard swam across to the sinking sub ahead of a boarding party and passed up the intelligence documents before the sub sank drowning them both. They were recommended for the Victoria Cross but the British government was so afraid that this would tip off the German intelligence about the capture that the men were awarded the George Cross - the civilian equivalent of the VC.
For what it's worth there were a number of instances of the British capturing vital u-boat enigma-related intelligence material throughout the war so I'm not too worried that the capture of an enigma machine is featuring in a US-oriented film. I'm interested to see how the film pans out though. Incidently from late 1943 the US Navy helped with the u-boat decryption and then later carried it out totally (they had developed more powerful hardware from the original British designs - I won't get into how often this has happened, jet engine anyone?)
P.S. I never really understood why Saving Private Ryan seemed to be such an issue for non-US people. As a Brit I had no problem whatsoever with Saving Private Ryan - it was a story about a group of US troops who landed at Omaha. There was no need to include any of the Allies in this. This wasn't a remake of the Longest Day.
Regards,
-Mike Chapman
Victoria Cross Reference
www.chapter-one.com/vc/
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Jeeze, Obi Wan; lighten up. You have more issues than a magazine rack...
I'm sorry you don't like U-571. Really.
And I'm sorry some of my countrymen are so jingo.
But you really need to talk to someone about your own, ill-advised yahoo comments. You really don't know enough about your history or ours to run your pie-hole like you do.
Sheesh...
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