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ADDITIONAL INFO: Oh Boy... Here we go again.... Re: Leo and Anakin
Here's some additional info from SSZERO that he sent me. Wow... Ya mean all that 'BS' I was printing months ago about an 'alleged' journey to Skywalker Ranch by Leo was true? Shock.... Gasp.... Imagine that?
Hey Harry,
I saw the interview with Leo on Entertainment Tonite and here are some
details that your scooper didn't mention:
The interviewer asked him if he had been to Skywalker Ranch, Leo replied
"yes". She then asked if he would be playing Anakin Skywalker, Leo said
that he and George had talked about it but the script isn't finished yet.
When the script is done Leo then said he would consider it. I think Leo
stating that he discussed with Lucas playing the role of Anakin was the most
important part of the conversation. Many times asked Lucas has given a firm
"no" to the questions of Leonardo portraying Anakin (so much for Lucas
"making stars" and not hiring them). Also at one time I clearly remember
George Lucas flatly denying the rumours of Obi-Wan Kenobi being portrayed by
Ewan McGregor, hmmm. On another note in the interview for the first time I
have ever seen, Leo had facial hair, basically a goatee and he's packed on a
good 35lbs. His voice is still somewhat squeaky but otherwise he's the best
Anakin Skywalker Lucas could hope for. Need we forget Leo is the only Oscar
nominated actor heavily rumoured/considered for the role?
-SSZero
Harry here, and as the great Stan Lee would say.... "Nuff Said...."
Harry
Watching "E.T." in which the blond lady's interviewing with Leonardo.
Question asked about whether he'll play Anakin in Ep II, Leonardo said, "I'll consider it."
So there! He'll consider it!
Rob
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Jan 14, 2000 11:36:40 PM CST
Lucas must be sooo anxious... the Great Leo might actually be in
by doctor doom
If he actually said this, without joking... what a gooddamn stuck up assmunch. I've half a mind to ultimate nullify his ass.
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how many people think dicaprio hasn't done a decent movie since the basketball diaries? there is no way he should be allowed near this movie. I get hives just thinking about it. If he is anakin and jar jar returns then it will take an incredible story to save episode 2.
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No matter how hated he is for his arrogance... no matter how bad "The Beach" is... there IS a good actor in Leonardo DiCaprio somewhere. I haven't forgotten "What's Eating Gilbert Grape?" and "This Boy's Life". And he sure looks like an older Jake Lloyd. If he gets the role, I won't complain. My concern is the script. Lucas is taking his time with it, which is, I hope, a good sign... and shooting starts in June. The best news Episode II could have would be LUCAS DECIDES TO ASK FOR HELP WITH THE SCRIPT, CONSULTS LAWRENCE KASDAN... or RICHARD LAGRAVENSE... or DAVID MAMET....
I smile upon Leo in spite of his pretty boy pranks...
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I have stated since the beginning that I would have no problem with LeoNARDO playing Ani. Despite what some of the posters here have to say, I am of the opinion that he CAN act and that the only reason that most people (GUYS) are pissed off about him is that they are jealous. It breeds envy. I would much rather see the role given to LeoNARDO than to some no-name asshole who might ruin the role trying to make a name for themself. If LeoNARDO plays Anakin, it will be because he has read the script and is satisfied with what he has seen. I remember hearing how he didn't want anything to do with it after seeing Phantom Menace because, as many other Star Wars fans, he was a bit disappointed. But maybe, like many other Star Wars fans, he gave the film another look and saw that it might have it's place in the scheme of things. Episode III will be when the final vote should be given. I think that George would let LeoNARDO read the script in order to lure him into the project. I really think that Lucas wants LeoNARDO to play Anakin. I mean, yes, he's a big Star Wars fan. But the excuse that Rick McCallum gave as to why LeoNARDO was up at the Ranch was just bullshit. They had a Premeire for MTV where a bunch of high profile stars attended. To say that he was given his OWN PERSONAL SCREENING AT SKYWALKER RANCH BY HIMSELF just because he was a Star Wars fan and they wanted him to see it in the best surroundings sounds like bullshit. And what about the sightings of McCallum and LeoNARDO at that other premeire? Anybody else remember that one? In conclusion, I am a GIFUCKINGANTICDIEHARDBEENSINCE'77 Star Wars geek. I think that LeoNARDO would do a goddamn good job as Anakin. I don't care what anyone says about The Phantom Menace, LeoNARDO, Lucas' writing, directing, the effects, or any of that shit. When Episode III comes out, you will all bow before the Master. Or I will be eating my own shit in embarassment for spending all of this money on a saga that turned out to be one huge fucking joke. I think the former will hold true. The humble opinion of a lonely Star Wars geek looking for love in this cruel, cold, dark world. May The Force Be With You...Always!!!
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What a prick! As if he's even been asked. I got somethin' for him to consider. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE HIM IN THIS!! As if George would shell out the money either. He's one tight son of a bitch with his purse strings. Anyone that's ever worked on a Lucasfilm set will tell you that. Craft service consists of M&M's and a water cooler! Anyway, no one should get worked up over him playing Anakin cause it's about as likely as Ricky Martin being hetero. And why are you all worried anyway? Seems everyone here hated TPM so much that you all were giving up on the series. But oh, the true feelings come out and in truth you know that TPM will be considered quite brillian when all six are pieced together. So in conclusion, Leo aint happenin' and TPM was cool.
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If Leo Fag-boy touches the Episode 2 script with his sex-ridden hands, one sentence to say it, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I would rather committ suicide than to watch Lucas weave Leo into the unfinished huge SW quilt that he started in may 1977 when A NEW HOPE was released. ::End Rant::
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He'll what!!! Fuck him. Like I told you yesterday, this guy's an arrogant little prick. Screw him and his Hollywood fantasy's. Nobody needs him (we don't anyway, right???). Anyway, stat ober, write good shit, and never mention this scumbag again!!! Cheers ( yes I'm drunk, so what!!!)
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A "star" like Leo would be distracting in the movie and take away from the great storyline the next two are supposedly going to have...
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Jan 15, 2000 12:00:08 AM CST
Leo in Epp II = Bea Arthur in the Star Wars Holiday Special
by knight_of_ni!
One big fucking joke. Oh, by the way. Don't go thinking Gillian Anderson is playing Mara Jade cause according to a friend that works for Decipher (Star Wars CCG) it's already been cast with the gal that was featured in Star Wars Insider. Although that pic wasn't all that hot, apparently in person she's quite the looker. She'll be featured in one of the new expansion decks. Now back to Leo, what scares me even more than him, is the next wave of crappy merchandise we'll all be subjected to again. I mean, Lego is cool, but some of those posters and childrens books and sheets and towels and etc.? Kinda cheapens the project. Know they gotta make a profit, but I think that was the main cause of the backlash, not the film itself.
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...the teaser poster for Chicken Run is out!It's sweet!These chickens have kitchen utensils!Genius!!Pure,unadulterated genius!!!!!"A Few Good Hen"!!!Ha ha ha ha!Whew!
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Since Titanic, Leo has become too big a star. I think he'd be great for Anakin, but he's probably too distracting now. Everyone who hates him is obviously under 20,
jealous, & hasn't followed his film career. He was great in everything he was in, from Basketball Diaries to Titanic to Quick and the Dead (my favorite DiCaprio performance). If he does get picked as Anakin, I won't be disapointed, but a bit surprised.
George will have to shell out some serious bucks for him.
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.......on second thought he's perfect for imaging into an action figure,,,,,smooth, pinky white skin, almost shiney, no muscle tone, an almost boney, elongated body with no dick that fits in a box nicely.....COLLECT ALL THREE!
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Encelladus here. Sure, why not... let's drag this rumor around and beat upon its carcass one more time. My thoughts are this: it's Lucas' decision. If he feels it needs Leo, or a pod race, or a Jar Jar, or genetically-enhanced Force babies... it's on HIS shoulders. NO ONE in the movie industry has more power or creative control thatn Lucas to do the exact movie he wants. ONLY the limits of technology seem to be against him, that and his own ego. (fade out with Vader breathing...)
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Jan 15, 2000 1:16:01 AM CST
Actually, my understanding was that DiCaprio ALSO confirmed duri
by alexandra dupont
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Who cares who will play Anakin. What everyone should be concerned about is whether the next episode will be good. Hopefully you don't have to be under 10 years old to enjoy the next episode. And it won't really matter who plays Anakin if the character is written as one dimensional as all the characters in episode 1.
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Fuck Leo thinking this movie has potential, he thinks he a chance to shag Nat. Honestly now, folks, if Nat came onto you, would you throw her off? Back when Romeo and Juliet was in pre-production, Nat was the first choice for Juliet, but refused the role because of the age difference between her and Leo. But now, as she grows older and makes a habit of sampling older men like Lucas Haas(24) and according to him, Moby(34), Nat will probably see Leo as a fetus. And Leo, being the stud he is, will be looking to cream up his fingers with Nat and her Harvard educated self. I will blow a casket if they ever get involved.. Leo is probably an STD bank.
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Mr. Kasdan is a fine writer and I think that it is in poor taste to disrespect the man on his birthday. (He is 51 today.) On another note, I talked to a friend of mine that actually saw the report on ET and she said that what LeoNARDO actually said was that he was open to taking the part IF IT BECAME AVAILABLE TO HIM. He was up to the Ranch to talk with George about it and apparantly saw some of the script, which was still unfinished. This leads me back to my earlier point that I think George may be writing this part with the little sumbitch in MIND. Why would he have LeoNARDO up to the Ranch to talk about the role? As I understand it, all the other Ani Applicants are having to go through Miss Casting Bitch. So I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that the kid may already have the role and the other casting that is going on is nothing more than the machine going through its motions for the press. Hell, he may have had the damn thing locked up all the way back in May and been instructed by Lucas and his cronies to keep it silent. But OH, NOOOOO...LucasFilm NEVER does anything like that, do they? The humble opinion of a lonely soul, searching for love in this cruel, cold, dark world. May The Force Be With You...NanooNanoo!
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Oh, I suppose I
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From what I've read in the news, the script "is coming along," according to Lucas. Production is supposed to start in, oh, five months. I know there are movies out there that had scripts that were written in less time than that and that a talented team of writers could crank out a more than decent script in five months, but this is Lucas we're talking aobut. Lucas...you know, the guy who said he looks at screenwriting the same way a student looks at writing term papers. I don't expect Shakespere or Citizen Kane, but I would like to see something that's more than just "watchable" and does justice to the genre, the original three movies and the questionable nature of "Episode I." (If it was a lead-in, the next movies better be good.)
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I can think of few better things for SWII than DiCaprio playing Annakin. For god's sake guys, the man is a good actor, hell he's a great actor. Will you get your minds off the fact that he's appeared in a few Tiger Beat magazines. The guy can act, he's a movie star of grand proportion, and he'd rock in this series. Ewan and Leo fighting it out in Ep. 3 sounds mighty appealing. Try to be a little more open minded...I think it's perfect casting. The idea of Jake LLoyd being the future Darth Vader was creepy enough...Leo will make the transition to evil perfect. I hope it happens.
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Who is this Moby (34) character that was mentioned as a taste test for the beautiful Miss Portman? She is MINE!! ALL MINE!!!! I have wanted her since...*she just turned 18 a little while ago, man*...Um... SHE'S MINE!!!
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Jan 15, 2000 1:50:50 AM CST
And on a completely superficial celebrity-gossip note...
by alexandra dupont
...It would be interesting to have Ewan MacGregor and Leo on the same set together, as Ewan was basically jettisoned by his "friends" on the
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.... That YOU just gave us more accurate, detailed info than Knowles did? Good heavens -- the man
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Jan 15, 2000 2:09:39 AM CST
I Pick My Trees From The Finest Birch In Yellowstone!!!
by edward_russell
I have absolutely no clue as to what in the hell that meant. I am going to bed now. Larry, Miss DuPont...all...I bid you good night.
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Now first off, just let me say that I, Mistamind, met Miss Natalie a few years ago on the set of "Mars Attacks!" and she was a nice person. She said to me, in our twenty three second conversation that I was "cute". This was because it was getting a little tense on the set between takes, and I told the actors a joke. ( i was an extra in the film). It was probably the greatest moment of my life. I got to meet Tim Burton, and He got me an autographed photo. He doesn't do that much, so I feel rather lucky.
That aside, I would like to give my two cents on this whole "episode two" thing. I believe that there should be a sequence in the film where Obi-Wan takes young Anakin to a well-respected Jedi Knight who also trained in the ancient arts of Kung Fu. Think about it. If you thought Darth Maul was badass, wait till you see Anakin get his sorry ass kicked by a high flying Kung Fu Jedi! This could also be a plot point in turning Anakin over to the dark side, because nobody had ever given him such a beating before, and he shows utter disrespect to this Jedi after the fight is over. Anakin would be shown as a vengeful one, and this scene would plant the seed of his eventual undoing. Screw that "love triangle" bullshit and stick with this! It's a good idea! Better than anything Lucas could ever scheme up, that lousy hack. I'm Mistamind, and I have said my piece. You rock! -
Seriously, how many roles in Star Wars could stretch an actor to his creative limits? Not very many. Even Natalie Portman gave a semi-wooden performance, don't hate me for saying it. So the real factor behind these posts isn't whether Leo can act, it's whether people are jealous that Leo gets alot of chicks or are able to deal with it. As for his "I'll consider it" comment, what happened to that rumor that Lucas showed him some test stuff for Star Wars II that was supposedly laughably bad? Could be an explanation, although probably not likely since Lucas hadn't written anything at the time...
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Ok first and formost I will say this. Dicaprio has done some solid work as an actor.(Gilbert Grape, Basketball Diaries) That being said. How wrong he is for the role of Anakin!!!!!! Remember this. Anikin will become Darth Vader!!! Can you see Leo evolve in to the greatest screen Villan ever? I totaly reject the thought. Vader is Huge and menacing!!! Leo looks like he would snap like a twig. I want someone who is sizable so that when he puts on a helmit andd cape and becomes 6 feet 7 inches you believe it. Harry I suggest you put up an email address for Lucasfilm and tell everyone who feels that Leo is wrong for the part to type two words in the subject line LEO SUCKS and send it off to Lucasfilm.
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I don't have a huge opinion on this cause I think whoever plays Anakin will be fine. I do think that Leo would be great. He is a great actor, no matter how much you don't want to admit it. I just don't understand why people hate the guy so much. What did he ever do to anyone? He was the star of the biggest movie ever made. That asshole, let's get him! My only problem with Leo playing Anakin is that he is a huge star and would probably distract from the movie. Remember in TPM when Mace Windu first showed up? That wasn't Mace Windu, it was Samuel L. Jackson. I feel that when Anakin appears onscreen people will only see him as Leo, not Anakin. But, then again I can't think of anyone better fit for the role and no one else has thrown out a better choice, so until they do just shut the hell up get over it. Oh, and to the dude who said he'd commit suicide before he sees Leo become Anakin. That's just sad. I love Star Wars, but it's a freaking movie. Not life. Get help.
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Jan 15, 2000 3:06:09 AM CST
The less menacing Anakin seems, the more dramatic the transforma
by niiiice
And isn't that the whole point? For someone once pure and innocent and good to be corrupted and completely reversed? Thus the more docile and harmless the actor portrays Anakin as, the greater the irony of it all. That this little guy could become something so dark and sinister. The more doubtful it is that such a person could become Darth Vader, all the more shocking it really is, and tragic, because we all will watch it with the knowledge of how it all eventually ends.
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Ewan Macgregor not portraying Obi Wan Kenobi? Or did I miss something subtle...I thought he'd been resigned for the next three films! How distressing...
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So anyways this Leo guy...what's he been in? Oh wait...he was that great actor who stole the show from Johnny Depp, Claire Daines and pretty well everyone else he worked with...Isn't that the facts? I'd have to agree with others that it would be better to have an established actor than one who is trying to upstage Jar Jar...God forbid that ever happening. Quit your whining overzealous fanboys...after all you didn't like TPM...you think Episode II is going to be like ESB? Don't count on it...It's all new Star Wars...once you understand that then we all can get along...By the way why aren't there any Ody Mandrell action figures in CANADA? Hasbro - I want my Mandrell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"The force is unusually strong in this one Master Scully."..."Master Mulder, can you honestly expect me to beleive that there is an all-encompassing 'force' that flows through all living beings?"...."Think about it, Scully, the microscopic organisms found in all beings, the basic building block of life, the midichlorians! What if they were somehow linked to this 'force'?"..."Why do I get the feeling we're going on another wild goose chase, Mulder?"
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Leo can pull it off, and enough with this size bullshit already. Vader is a machine, not a person, if I had to replace my severly injured body with a life saving robotic one, I might as well get the biggest one I can find. Back to Leo, the guy's got acting chops, leave Titanic out of the equation for a moment because it is a chick flick and not much of a showcase for his acting talent, but check his earlier movies, it's there. I dislike Titanic as much as the next guy and I will admit it is because I'm not too fond of chick flicks and also cuz I can't believe Leo has more fans than Star Wars! Anyway, just cuz I dislike Titanic, doesn't mean I can't see myself paying to see an Episode II starring Leo because LEO IS NOT STAR WARS, LUCAS IS. LUCAS IS ULTIMATELY THE ONE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUCCESS OF EPISODE II. If Lucas comes up with a good script, in my mind, I honestly do not see Leo screwing it up. If Lucas comes up with a stinker, I don't see Leo or ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER MAKING ANY DIFFERENCE! So enough with the immature Leo responses, please post something constructive.
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Am i wrong in thinking that you too think that having Scully in Star Wars is one colossal wink to all sci-fi fans? Perhaps Patrick Stewart could play a young Chewbacca? I've always wondered how Chewie would recite Shakespeare...G'nite y'all...Oh God I'm tired...I'm probably sounding like a tard...no comment on subject anymore...
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how does one "dilute" oneself? is it a painful procedure?
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Now, to show the rest how it's done...my reasons why I think Leo may be wrong for this flick. My main reason would be the baggage. It would just be too awkward for me to see Leo in Jedi robes. And there's something in the voice that doesn't sound right to me. Maybe cuz I'm used to hearing my own booming voice of a man...hehe. Sorry, anwyay I'm also not all too hot about his androgynous look. As for his chick fans, I wouldn't mind waiting in line with a ton of teenage chicks, that would be a whole lot of fun, the whole mental picture of geeks and babes in line to see the same movie...it's too funny. He also a kinda shady rep, but I don't think that should be an issue here. The whole point of going to the movies is that the moment the lights go out, you release yourself from the real world and you plunge yourself into a world of fantasy. That is something that no movie, no matter how bad it is, can ever take from you and is the greatest thing about movies. Just let yourselves go and have fun...
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i think leo's a great actor and all...i'm just afraid that when i see him in jedi robes, with ewan at his side, that all i'll be able to think of is "match in the the gas tank...boom boom."
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I can't belive how anybody over 8 years old can get so worked up over the casting of a movie that will surely disappoint just as Episode 1 did - Lucas hasn't got the skill to pull off what's required for the last two episodes. Look again at the text that started off this talkback; Leo was asked IF he was to be offered a role, would he accept. Obviously never even considered, but hypothetical, Leo made a friendly comment. That's it!
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This current situation does appear to mimic the Obi-wan frenzy surrounding Ewan Macgregor. Something jogged my memory, and I went hunting for my special collector's edition of last May's Premiere magazine for an interview with Lucas and his thoughts on internet rumors. I think his hatred for scoop sites like these is pretty evident, but I found this part about Macgregor: It's true that he cast Macgregor early on in development, but Lucas says "they predicted that I was going to use (him) in the movie four months before I even met him." Not sure how this can apply to the current situation, but I agree Leo looks like the frontrunner to me.
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I can easily picture him as Anakin, especially after how that young kid was cast in episode 1. If Leo is Anakin I'm sure he will do a good job, and paired with Ewan there actually might be some chemistry on the screen (I saw none in episode 1, at least the first trilogy had Han as a foil for the other characters). Do I care anymore? No, not after learning that Darth built C3PO and is a technological genius and midichlorians cause the force and we go from guys in white suits we can kill without feeling bad we have robots we can kill without feeling bad. Star Wars is crap for me now, whatever fond memories I have are from the excitement of watching the first trilogy as a child. Lucas can do whatever he wants with his storyline now. Before, I could somehow imagine Star Wars being sci-fi but now it is so much a goddamn hyped, overrated sack of soap opera crap I don't care. You know what I want? I want something NEW in the realm of space sci-fi. No Star Wars. No Star Trek. No Battlestar Galactica. No Aliens. Something ELSE and DIFFERENT. Bah.
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Someone in an above post mentioned Robert Carlyle as young Tarkin. Well, I'm sorry, Carlyle would be good but Ralph Fiennes would be prefect. Remember him as Amon Goethe in Schindler's list? He was a nazi, and the Empire is basicly nazis. Ralph reminds me so much of Peter Cushing... he would also be a great Sherlock Holmes which was another of Cushing's famous roles.
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Please we need an unknown to do this role. He needs to be a good actor but also be like jet li. Leo is a decent Actor but there is absolutely no way i would say he was good enough. I just cant handle leo please this would be a bad move for the already sliding franchise, lucas get back to your roots i can be anikan. i am 18 and white that is all you need. You need to seperate yourself from trying to please the world and just make a good movie that doesnt have something for everyone.
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with all this talk of who's gonna play Annie, i'm afraid to say that i'm loosing interest in the whole subject. However i'd sure as hell prefer the King of the world to fucking pansy Neighbours boy "Billy". Anyway lets be honest, we are all going to see the damn movie regardles, even if it's just to see how much Leo sucks.
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I saw him at CDG airport in Paris last year, he was 22 then, he looks 24 in real life, I don't know how they make him look younger in Dawson's Creek, but no way does he look 17. Anyway, he sounded stupid and I don't want him in SW. Check ya later
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For all that's holy, Leonardo DiCaprio must be squashed like the little whiny bug he is. I'm so goddamn sick and tired hearing about him. Yes he was an Oscar-nominated actor, but then again, Whoopi Goldberg won for "Ghost."
Along with a select group of "friends," Leonardo DiCaprio has gone through the New York City hot spots as the Pussy Posse. I shit thee not. For that alone he should be pimp slapped.
He has the acting range of a flatulent gerbil, and if he's going to be in a new "Godfather" movie, he should be a young Fredo. After all, both Leonardo DiCaprio and Fredo Corleone are sniveling little turds. As for "Epsiode II," I shudder to think of how much it would reek if he was in it.
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Look, yeah a lot of people dont like him but I think a helluve a lot do like him. Anyone remember Titanic?
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Last time I checked a kid named Jesse Spencer was going to play Anakin and now its Leo again.
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It doesn't matter who plays Anakin, not in the least. Leo as Anakin? Who cares? If he's good, then you naysayers will be eating your pants. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE SCRIPT. Moriarty, Harry, any of your "insiders" need to be working on this. If one of them e-mailed you saying "This script will work - better than TPM" than I might rest a little easier. Episode I did not suck. It was a genuinely entertaining beginning to a long saga. I'd like to think Lucas watched the Samurai trilogy to get an idea on how to begin this. (Now THAT'S a motherfucking trilogy. Highly recommend you see it if you haven't. Toshiro Mifune is God.) Episode II is where the shit starts to fly. If done right, this one might be the best of the series. Episode III is inevitable. We all know what happens. That's the easiest one to predict. Episode II is the crux. It's the most important one of the series. So, scoopers, any word on the script? Who gives a shit about the casting?
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If we're REAl lucky, EP 2 will just be another movie where the f/x completely blot out Leo's lame-ass performance.....like Titanic !
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Ummmmmm, ok. Leo said that they'd been talking about the role. That he'd consider it. I wonder if this is actually something George is thinking about, or just Leo talking about old stuff. I'd rather have an unknown, especially someone that won't cause a great booing sound to be heard across the U.S. and Canada.
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Is anyone else here of the opinion that when Episode III is released, if all turns out as it should, George Lucas will be considered one hell of a manipulative director? (AND I MEAN THAT IN A GOOD WAY) To go from Jake Lloyd to the Dark Lord of the Sith.....man, I got shudders thinking about that in TPM.
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I'm I the only one who thinks that DiCaprio is a very good actor. Everybody judges him by his lame, cheeseball role in Titanic and forgets his oscar-nominated turn in Gilbert Grape, and his excellent performance in This Boy's Life. Nothing destroys an actor's credibility more than teen heart-throb status I guess. I think he'd make a fine Anakin considering the road Lucas has already taken with the character. No, he's not as tall as David Prowse or have a very intimidating voice, but that's what the black costume is for. Besides, if he did fall into a volcano as rumored, his legs and arms would most likely have been fried off, which means he probably has artificial limbs (and who wouldn't like to be taller?)
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Leo would be perfect for the role. All you geeks have to stop bitching cause you're all jealous. I can only see Leo and possibly Jude Law playing Anakin. I don't want some unknown loser. Oh yeah, from what I have read it seems that Ewan and Leo don't get along.
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Jan 15, 2000 12:43:55 PM CST
Does anyone remember that George Lucas produced HOWARD THE DUCK?
by stephen dedalus
Just thought I might mention that in order to show why Leo might end up playing Anakin. Inside that body of an ultra-powerful director/producer, there is a real moron who is perfectly capable of making bad decisions like the rest of us.
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Hey SSZERO, yes I am one of the guys behind the Park Wars trailer. How'd you know? Anyway, no I didn't fly to LA for the Phantom Menace. Like I said, it's not life. I have spent a good bit of time doing those Park Wars trailers, but that's done with just as much love for South Park as Star Wars. I didnt spend any time standing in a line though. I love Star Wars, but standing on the sidewalk for 6 weeks is just insane to me, but if you want to do that then that's cool. I think I spent about 2 hours waiting for Star Wars tickets and I'll do it again when Episode II comes out, Dicaprio or no Dicaprio.
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Leo is fine. He's a solid actor with many a quality movie under his belt. He's the least of your worries. (also, I am of the opinion that less than .5% of those of you that post on here have any idea what makes a good actor. good, not cool. big difference.) To those of you that think he's not big and hulking enough: chill. Remember Ed Norton in American History X? The dude was huge. Remember him in Fight Club? Decidely un-huge. From what I hear, Leo is actally pretty tall (6 something), so once he puts on muscle, he'll be fine. ANYone can get big. (not that most of you would know a thing about exercise). As many others have said, the script is the main concern, not Leo. Leo is perfectly suited to the role. It wouldn't even surprise me if Jake Lloyd had been chosen long ago with the secret plan of hiring Leo down the line to replace him. They look very very similar...curiouser and curiouser. To reiterate: Leo, good. Cheesy script, bad. Oh, and to those Natalie Portman fans: my roommate's friend at Harvard lives next to Natalie. So, the way I figure it, we're practically married.
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Jan 15, 2000 2:03:06 PM CST
Nobody will ever agree here, will they? No, so if that's the ca
by drath
Harry, do you keep posting these Leo as Anakin things just to have a really colorful Talkback? That's all that really happens anymore. Congratulations though, you've got enough credit built up, so if Lucas casts Leo you can do some serious gloating. As to everyone's concern, I'm sick of it. Sick, sick, sick, sick! Everybody has their personal choice, and it sucks to everyone but them! In the universe there is but one certainty, NOBODY CAN OR WILL AGREE ON ANAKIN, EVER!!! I notice a lot of us support Leo here(sarcastic chuckle).
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Wow, once you get past SSZero's first post, this Talkback isn't hating Leo nearly as much as I thought it would! There must be like 20 "Am I the only one who thinks Dicaprio cant act" posts! More importantly, most people feel that the script is the most important thing here. YES!!!! SANITY is back!!! SCRIPT, CHARACTERS, STORY: THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT MAKE STAR WARS GREAT, GET 'EM RIGHT THIS TIME, LUCAS!!!
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Oh, for God's sake folks! We all know who... nay, I say MUST fill the role of Anakin for Episode II. I say Lucas head on over to the good people over at TBS and hire himself Brock Hammond from The Chimp Channel. That parody of TPM was some of the most hilarious television I've seen this year!!!
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There is a physiological reason that only young kids are allowed to partake in the Jedi Training. It is because their minds are still
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Just use a friggin new face, for crying out loud! George Lucas isn't dumb! Remember, Lucas says, "I don't hire stars. I make stars"
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Have we all forgotten Leo's shopping spree publicity stunt for Star Wars goodies from ago? It only makes sense that he was put up to this to gather the acceptance of fans of SW like ourselves. He's a lock for the role. Always has been. His recent emergence back to the public eye with a maturer look is just Lucas' way of nurturing the fan into what is a sure thing. What's next on their list? Exclusive footage of Leo's new passion, fencing?
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Seriously, he handled his role in TITANIC well, even if it wasn't particularly well-written. Sure, he's regarded as a "pretty boy", but Jude Law's beginning to get that reputation too. It doesn't necessarily correspond with a lack of talent.
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it's me again( sober this time).
Just wanna say: any geek who defends this worthless peace of acting shit deserves to be smacked in the face by a very old lady while asking for a date (huh??) Cheers -
Oh,I did.Whoops.
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I shall now end all of my posts with a word,like "Cheers",only more so.I'll take any suggestions..I was thinking along the lines of "Frasier".
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Let's play a game. It involves some time travel and some imagination. Let's say that it's the early 90's again and Leo has just finished Glibert Grape. Sample dialogue from Talkback:
"Goddam! That fuckin' DiCaprio ROCKS! He's the greatest fuckin' actor since Robert fuckin' DeNiro!" Now, fast forward to the present. Let's not pretend that had Leo not done Titanic, you wouldn't all be BEGGING -
What do you mean?I think you used the wrong word.Unless you mean begging people to kill us because of the endless rumors about this movie.
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Has anybody ever watched Leo in a movie. I mean, just because the guy is good looking doesn't mean he's a good actor. But that's the attitude people take today. If Leo were ugly, nobody would give a crap about him. It pisses me off to see people like Leo praised as being the "next generation of great actors" while real actors like Edward Norton and Heath Ledger are ignored. Leo is simply a passing fad. This is Leo's future: he'll be big for about another two years, then some other scrawny good-looking guy will come along, Leo will disappear for about a year, then he'll start making appearances in B-action movies, then he'll get his own sitcom named "Leo" which will be cancelled after six episodes. If I were Leo I'd be saving my money.
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No........really !
Look at it this way, we all get to see that fetid little booger shoved ass first into a volcano !
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Drath is right; Star Wars talkbacks are darn colorful. In truth, I think everyone here -- from avowed geeks to those of us who know "it's only a movie" -- root for Star Wars perhaps because we associate the films with fond memories from our childhood and/or adolescense. We want the next films to beat "Titanic's" box office, transcend the genre and win critical acclaim. That said, TPM was disappointing. It wasn't terrible or a betrayal of the previous films. In fact, TPM was one of the most visually stunning flicks I've seen, and it did have plenty of plot (perhaps too much). The bad guy even won in the end. Yet, for all its political intrigue, TPM lacked anything beyond George Lucas' name and Williams' rousing title theme to make us care about what we saw onscreem. It lacked characters the audience could relate to. Aside from the clumsiness of the decidedly unhuman Jar-Jar, none of the characters had any visible flaws. I missed seeing Luke be whiny, Leia be haughty, Lando be cowardly and most of all, I missed seeing Han be his cynical, arrogant and humorous self. It's these characters' weaknesses that make them human and worth worrying about. Instead, our heroes in TPM had about as much depth as an illustration in a child's fairybook and were just about as interesting. Ultimately, as has been said repeatedly, it doesn't matter who plays Anakin (though I'm personally amenable to either Mr. DiCaprio or an unknown). If his character isn't compelling, why should we care that Anakin falls? What's more, why should we care that he is later redeemed?
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Jan 15, 2000 5:18:44 PM CST
I'm with most of you -- casting is second A GOOD SCRIPT COMES FI
by superninja
Casting DiCaprio as Anakin is the least of our worries. I think there WAS a story in EP1, and not a bad one, but it got bogged down by the fact Lucas cares more about technology than story. He's a mediocre director and writer, and he needs to get assistance. He's a money man. SW in my mind, was a fluke. He sold a GREAT concept, and he came up with GREAT effects. Beyond that...I doubt his talents.
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STAR WARS DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU!
IT BELONGS TO LUCAS. I suggest you remember that, while you are ordering Lucas to get it right this time. In his mind, he did get it right with TPM, because IT BELONGS TO HIM, AND HE ALONE KNOWS WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE SAGA! NONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOOD OR BAD FOR SW, BECAUSE YOU DID NOT SPEND THE TIME TO INTRICATELY CREATE IT! NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE TO ACTUALLY CREATE SOMETHING WHOLE AND GOOD! SO THEREFORE, NONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO TELL YOU HOW YOUR ART SHOULD BE! AND NONE OF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL LUCAS WHAT TO DO WITH HIS CREATION! NONE OF YOU! -
Their really is no hope for this franchise if Lucas cant supply us with a decent,real sets,real people,no lame accent,script.The original three pictures were by far amazing,even by todays standards & the scripts were tacky at best(who can sit through Darth & the Emporer in Jedi & not laugh at the sexual undertone as they speak of "feeling the presence of Luke").That whole furry lil creature thing also,what was up with that?I personally sat through Jedi at least 30 times in the theater,I was only in the 6th grade & I had tears in my eyes with the thought that Jedi would be the last film.Today I envy that 6th grader because this EP1 should have never taken place.I kept waiting for the real movie to start,"this has to be some joke by Lucas" I told myself even when the movie was 45 minutes in.I cant believe that everyone is in a ruckus over who will play the leads in EP2! of course everyone has their own choices,I think I should play Anakin,Im over 6'2",blond,blue,195lbs & have been working as a bit actor in Hollywood for almost 10 years & still look as if I am 21 even though Im 28.Can I make that happen,no.Can we chose what will happen in the next 2 films,no.Can Lucas srew the pooch on these films,OHH HELL YA!!!As long as we are in the mood of casting wants & if Lucas is up drinking late at night writing the script (come on dont play like you wer'nt toasted when you wrote EP1) and happens across this post consider this,the one person in this entire world that could make this film a success:Denise Richards!I would see it 30 times if she were in it,Screw you all for hating here cause she is gorgeous.
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I don't think he will do it,however.So many people in the past have said he's too small,etc.He's 6 feet tall and weighs 175 pounds.Anyone who has seen the previews for The Beach knows he has the muscle.So much for the looks.He is one of the best young actors around now.He would be great in the romantic portions and the action.We should all be so lucky to have him take the role.
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Their really is no hope for this franchise if Lucas cant supply us with a decent,real sets,real people,no lame accent,script.The original three pictures were by far amazing,even by todays standards & the scripts were tacky at best(who can sit through Darth & the Emporer in Jedi & not laugh at the sexual undertone as they speak of "feeling the presence of Luke").That whole furry lil creature thing also,what was up with that?I personally sat through Jedi at least 30 times in the theater,I was only in the 6th grade & I had tears in my eyes with the thought that Jedi would be the last film.Today I envy that 6th grader because this EP1 should have never taken place.I kept waiting for the real movie to start,"this has to be some joke by Lucas" I told myself even when the movie was 45 minutes in.I cant believe that everyone is in a ruckus over who will play the leads in EP2! of course everyone has their own choices,I think I should play Anakin,Im over 6'2",blond,blue,195lbs & have been working as a bit actor in Hollywood for almost 10 years & still look as if I am 21 even though Im 28.Can I make that happen,no.Can we chose what will happen in the next 2 films,no.Can Lucas srew the pooch on these films,OHH HELL YA!!!As long as we are in the mood of casting wants & if Lucas is up drinking late at night writing the script (come on dont play like you wer'nt toasted when you wrote EP1) and happens across this post consider this,the one person in this entire world that could make this film a success:Denise Richards!I would see it 30 times if she were in it,Screw you all for hating here cause she is gorgeous.
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Now I remember back around june of last year when I first heard of this rumor, where I actually went ballistic about this idea. I thought it would be a HORRIBLE idea for Lucas to go with DiCaprio as Anakin. But when you think about it twice, he'd actually be pretty damn good for the role. It would be definite star power, even though Leo's not so hot with the ladies any more, for the Star Wars prequel series. Plus, Leo just looks right for the role. Well, he ain't buff or nothing, but that little kid who played Anakin and Leo ALMOST look a like!!! I dunno, maybe I'm the only one other than Lucas who could see him in the role. I'm sure every one else is bitching like mad crazy on the Talk Back right now as I type...
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I will never forgive Lucas for producing this. Unbeatable proof that he can make bad decisions on a movie like everyone else, meaning that he could very well make such a terrible casting decision on Episode II. Just like creating Jar Jar. "On my planet, we don't say die, we say KILL!" Imagine Leo holding a light saber and saying such sharp dialogue.
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yes, he might be a good match visually for jake lloyd, but it doesn't mean he's the one for the role. Personally, though the child is a good actor for his age, there were many more advanced children that would have suited the part better. also, leonardo is a very well trained actor and did a splendid job in what's eating gilbert grape. even though, i think he also would not be suited for this particular role.
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I think that Jude Law would be great as Anakin or he could take over as 007 in the next Bond flick. I mean, he does look like a young Sean Connery and he's British (oh yeah, he's also a pretty talented actor!). Does anyone agree with me?
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I've always said that he'd make by far a better Anakin then any of the other contenders. He's got the acting talent, and certainly has the looks department locked down. But as I'm sure others have said, the thing that matters most is a GOOD SCRIPT. That is what will make or break this film. They get that and they could give us something at least as good as TPM, which rocked. I am looking forward to Ep II.
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First off, Leo's fine. Whatever Lucas thinks is appropriate. Second off, for the record, though I couldn't find it in my heart to scroll down through ten pages of this crap, Lucas DID approach Kasdan to do a rewrite on the TPM script, and Kasdan said, "Don't change a thing." Honest truth. George will do a fine romantic movie. As for the only decent love scene in the series, the Han/Leia dialogue on the Falcon where they kiss for the first time was ripped off almost VERBATIM from Gone With the Wind. No, not the film, the book. Scarlett even called Rhett a scoundrel, and he replied, guess what? "You like me because I'm a scoundrel." At least Lucas doesn't rip everyone off. His writing is great. Thanks. Just had to get that off my chest. :-)
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If it doesn't work out ,who cares its for little kids now!
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Jan 15, 2000 9:23:23 PM CST
Uh oh. Another Lucas bootlicker gets his undies in a bundle bec
by superninja
Once again, like everyone else, I love the SW universe and am grateful he created it, blah, blah, blah...but that doesn't change the fact that TPM was not as good as any of the other trilogy, and like some, I think it barely fit the in SW universe I came to know as a kid. OF COURSE LUCAS CAN DO ANYTHING HE WANTS! Who was saying he can't. But we're still entitled to our opinions whether they change his or not. The flannel wearing Ewok should listen to his fans, instead of remaining in denial, making absolutely RIDICULOUS comments like "Fan like Jar Jar". No, they don't George. Go check out the sales rack at any toy store to feel "the love".
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GET JUDE LAW TO PLAY ANAKIN!!! Man, I can just see it now-- Ewan McGregor and Jude, and Ralph Fiennes as Tarkin!!! I would die happily in an estrogen coma. Fuck that little twat Dicaprio, I wanna real man!
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Jan 15, 2000 11:05:35 PM CST
Any Star Wars Episode 2 news right now is pointless rumor-monger
by madamimadam
I mean, really.
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he swallows gurgles and spits. no leo, back away from the x-wing keep your hands on top of your head you have the right to remain dickless, anything you say or do by definition sucks and I don't want to hear it. You have no right to a lightsaber, you suck!
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on second thought who better to portray the ultimate epitome of a vile henious evil than leo. I mean he is already hated and i can't think of anyone else that would fill me with so much anger in getting the role than him. I couldn't hate vader in the original trilogy cause he was too cool but if leo was anakin maybe i could for the first time think of vader as evil.
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He's not. He's too scrawny, his eyebrows are too dark for his hair color, his heads a funny shape and he looks like a 12-year-old (maybe 15) even though he's over 24. If you reread the posts on here, you'll find that most people who think he's a good actor base it on his very good work in "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" and "Basketball Diaries" and not "Titanic" or "Growing Pains." In "Gilber Grape," the movie he was nominated for, Leo took on a very difficult role of playing a mentally retarded young man. He could have messed it up and made the part into a joke that would ruin the tone of the film, but he handled the part well and did deserve his Oscar nomination, if not the damn Oscar. (Hello...Academy voters...Tommy Lee Jones plays Tommy Lee Jones in every movie he's in...though it works for him and most of the movies, it's not exactly Oscar-worthy compared to the other nominees that year!)
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Jude Law is not gay. JetAlone is right, he would be great as Anakin alongside Ewan McGregor, Ralph Fiennes and Natalie Portman. Add Samuel L. Jackson and (possibly returning) Liam Neeson to the mix and you have a great ensemble cast.
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Look, the character of Anakin Skywalker is supposed to be around 20 years old in Episode II, and he should AT LEAST resemble Jake Lloyd, if not vaguely. I personally think that although Jude Law is a good actor (he ain't gay cuz he has a bitch), he's just out of the question.... OH GOD...I remember all those who creamed their pants over Rusell Crowe..."RUSSEL CROWE AS ANAKIN: DO IT GEORGE, YOU KNOW IT IS RIGHT!!" Yeah, I can picture Ewan McGregor as Russel Crowe's jedi mentor....... ACTUALLY, I think Leo would be a good choice because although he is a pretty boy bitch, he was quite good in "What's eating gilber grape" and "bastketball diaries"..... so..... I guess we'll see what happens.... And as for the guy who said he just wants to get into Natalie's pants; I WANNA GET INTO NATALIE'S PANTS TOO!!!
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Dear Mr. Lucas, Please do not cast Leo. Let me state up front I am not a jealous teenage boy, I am what Leo could never hope to play convicingly on film...a man. I feel he is totally wrong for the role of Anakin because I could never picture the voice of James Earl Jones coming from his slight and androgenous build. When he speaks he sounds like a nellie little bitch. The one thing I can not imagine the future Darth Vader being is prissy. I will not debate Leo's acting ability or lackthereof, I will simply say he is wrong for that particular role. Once again I emplore you, bad casting ruined Galaxy Quest for me, don't let it ruin a franchise that I grew up with and have been a fan of for some 20 odd years.
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Give it up!! PM was a lame movie aimed at a pre-teen audience. Anything original or interesting about SW died decades ago. All that's survived is merchandising, and thanks to PM not even the merchandisers made enough money. Nobody close to Lucas apparently has the balls to tell him he SUCKS and needs to bring in some proper talent to run the show.
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I totally aggree with the folks up there that sugested Jude Law for the role.
He is the only actor of his generation capable of the emotion needed for ep2 but the growth of evil in himself in ep3. he was born for the role!
best of all he and ewan are great mates and if ep1 was lacking anything it was on screen chemistry...ewan vs jude at the end of ep 3? yes please...
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but I'm still keeping my eyes pealed for something I should be SEEING. Ahem, *X-Men*, *cough*.
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YIPPEEEEEEEE!
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Leo? Jude Law? Who cares? The real problem w/ the continueing Star Wars saga is not the actors - Mark Hamill was a joke as an actor and so was Carrie Fisher. The reason why we think of them so fondly is because of the character that the scripts brought out in the actors. David Mamet believes, and I don't always agree, that the ability for an actor to demonstrate emotion is irrelevant and should not be called upon. He thinks that the script should define the characters, not the actors. In the case of Star Wars this is obviously true. I do not care who happens to be cast in the role - Episode One has already ruined any magic for me and caused me to re-examine my opinion of Lucas ability and the quality of Jedi. As far as I'm concerned Episode One was so bad, so much about the effects and blockheaded story techniques like "comic relief", that the next Star Wars film is going to be nothing more than a series of fights and effects shots devoid of any emotional investment and/or mystery of discovery. Of course, who am I to say, I'm just a fan and hype will sell Star Wars beyond any ability of word of mouth. All I can do w/ Episode One is put it in my mental basement and hope beyond hope that Lucas will stop going to merchandising meetings and trade-shows and financials conferences and go back to the desert with those goofy googles and a decent script. I mean, after Empire it was clear that SW was all about the cash and that's what cash does - it destroys creativity and originality.
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I think that if Leonardo actually begins to act and mature before Episode II, I will consider him playing the part of Anakin. But right now I think he would suck as Anakin Skywalker!
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Post-TPM has been all about damage control, trying to rationalize some of the truly idiotic elements in the film and the decisions behind them. Well, I say we go the other direction. No longer should we fight over what might salvage the post-pastel hell of TPM, instead we should push for each ridiculous idea or rumor that comes down the pipeline. That way Lucas and all the people who just can't get enough of lisping frog-boy Jar Jar will drown in a self-inflicted universe of suck. I'll get the ball rolling:
Ep 2:
Anakin/Vader: Leonardo DiCaprio. Spends most of the film brushing hair out of eyes and mooning poetry to Amidala. Turns to Dark Side when the Emperor threatens to hurt Jar Jar.
Jar Jar: Michael Jackson (who wanted it originally!). Let the Gloved One assume the role he was born/embryonically grown for. Allows for the introduction of more songs and dance medleys, perhaps even a rap or two. In an incredibly insightful run of comedic genius, whenever Jar Jar enters a scene he says something stupid and then trips or steps in something. This is funny.
The Emperor: Dave from Wendy's. Builds a massive universe-wide empire of fast-food eateries by pretending to be good when he is actually evil. This is very clever and dramatic for the few dozen audience members who were smart enough to figure it out and then inform the rest of us.
Obi-Wan: A CGI representation. Lucas wants more of these, so who better to be replaced that one of the primary characters? Little incongruities like lighting, shadows, coloration, voice sync, and interactions with other real human actors are glossed over by cutting between scenes every 6 seconds.
Amidala: A CGI representation. Hell, we spent all this $$, gotta use it on something! This way we can also make cooler, more gravity-defying hairstyles, and thereby sell more dolls.
Yoda: Pikachu. Those damn Pokemon are bleeding out our merchandisers, so let's hit back with a green Pikachu! We can avoid the copyright infringements by making its ears droop a little and having it only say 'Yoda. Yo-da!'
Now, we also need to craft some scenes that can be converted instantly to pod-raceresque video games (or downloaded directly to the PS2), so some other plot points are:
1) Obi-Wan chases Vader through the Naboo swamps on a hoverskiff for 20 pointless minutes, dodging obstacles and cute Naboo critters.
2) As part of his training, Vader and the Emperor engage in a Sith game of wits eeriely similar to digital Stratego.
3) Obi-Wan must sneak through several levels of the Emperor's Coruscant palace. On each level, he finds guns and ammunition, encounters guards, and must locate several keys and throw some switches to move to the next level.
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Very soon, on the force.net theatre, you will see a fan trailer for SW2. Judge for yourself if Leo works by watching the footage.
BTW, Jude Law is a great actor. Not for Anakin, but perhaps Owen Lars. He and Ewan look like brothers anyway. If not Owen, Jude could play some Jedi warrior.
Ralph Fiennes is the young Tarkin.
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Jan 16, 2000 2:53:06 PM CST
For the last time....the suit Vader wears is what gives him his
by superninja
The suit is necessary for Vader to survive his duel with Obi-Wan. He is "more man than machine" and requires a respirator to breathe. The main reason for me believing DiCaprio would do a good job (besides the fact he looks like J. Lloyd) is that I know he can convey anger and passion -- two definite requirements for this character, AND he's completely convincing at it. I believe it is highly possible that DiCaprio not only already has the role, but that J. Lloyd was cast BECAUSE he looks like DiCaprio. Though Lucas denies he'd like his franchise to make more money that Titanic, I do not believe him, because the man is all about money, period. What better way than to take the person most identified with that film, and to put him into another romantic leading role? I'm not saying it's genius, and in fact when The Beach tanks at the box office (through no fault of DiCaprio's), it may change Lucas' feelings. But right now, I'd speculate that he's the frontrunner. The guy says he's seen the script and knows it isn't finished for pete's sake! GUYS!!! Lucas didn't even give a completed script to any of the actors on TPM! I'd say that's a pretty big tipoff right there. Anyway, DiCaprio as Anakin isn't going to make or break SW, it's going to be Lucas' writing and directing, and let's just hope there's more emphasis on that in the next two installments than what we got in EP1.
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This is SUCH bullshit. I have a close friend at ILM who told me that Leo was on the ranch and talked to Lucas about EPII and Leo told Lucas he wanted to change the story. This pissed off Lucas because Lucas is a major control freak. The arguement became heated and Lucas had security escort Leo's ass off the fucking ranch. Leo is talking out of his ass in that interview. He just doesn't want to admit he got his ass kicked off the ranch. He'll be lucky to even SEE EPII.
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This is SUCH bullshit. I have a close friend at ILM who told me that Leo was on the ranch and talked to Lucas about EPII and Leo told Lucas he wanted to change the story. This pissed off Lucas because Lucas is a major control freak. The arguement became heated and Lucas had security escort Leo's ass off the fucking ranch. Leo is talking out of his ass in that interview. He just doesn't want to admit he got his ass kicked off the ranch. He'll be lucky to even SEE EPII.
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I think all of you Leo haters should get down and your knees and PRAY that he gets cast as Anakin. That way, when the movie comes out and sucks (which, I have no doubt in my mind, will) you can have somebody to blame, and George 'in it for the money' Lucas will still seem perfect in your eyes. You are all living in a fantasy world. I also would like to see what happens when you are forced to buy a Leonardo DiCaprio doll in the form of Anakin, and have homeoerotic thoughts about him and his light saber.
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I don't really give a flying rats who stars as Anakin as long as the film isn't the piece of pissweak prettiness Ep 1 was. I don't even care if it still has JJ in it - he is, after all, a variation on the bumbling, wacky talking comic relief that was C3PO. What I do want is some Han Solo/Errol Flynn/Indiana Jones/Tyrone Power swashbuckle, romance and charm. Add a little bit of darkness and a nice, well-built up finale (instead of the bum ruch job of the last) and, maybe, we will come. If you know what I mean.
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Sorry if I seem a little ticked, no offense. But you people are are frothing at the mouth over NOTHING. EVERY TIME Lucas and McCallum have been asked if Leo will get the part they have consistently stated that they want an UNKNOWN ACTOR TO PLAY THE PART SO THAT ANAKIN'S CHARACTER WON'T BE DETRACTED FROM THE AUDIENCE BY THE ACTOR PLAYING HIM. HELLO????? Every time Lucas has been asked he has quietly yet firmly stated that he has always tried to cast unknown actors in the Star Wars movies because he knows a big name actor would distract people from the actual character. In these interviews he would then back it up by saying that he WANTS an unknown actor for the role. McCallum was asked about Leo being in Ep. II in an online interview I read on MSNBC where he said and I QUOTE: "He's on the list but he's nowhere near the favorite."
These interviews (which have all been collected on theforce.net's news section) where it's been repeatedly stated that they want an unknown actor for the role have been going on since the past summer and well into this year. As for Leo's interview on ET talking about Ep. 2 and his "important" trip to Skywalker Ranch? HOT AIR. Why? For one thing, that happened a LOOOOONNNNGG time ago before Lucas even started working on the Ep. 2 script. If he'd been earnestly working on it at the time of Leo's visit, it would have probably been finished by now but he's still hard at work on it and trying to meet the deadline. So the only reason Leo was there was to screen TPM and enjoy a quick tour. For those of you who believe this crap, don't forget. Salma Hayek has stated in the past that SHE was originally up for the role of Selena which was refuted by Jennifer Lopez who says Hayek was lying. Actors will pat themsleves on the back like this all the time for who knows what reason other than to make themselvers feel better or to keep Hollywood's suits guessing. As for "Lucas lying about Ewan being up for the role of Anikin," that's not true. It was McCallum who said this. But McCallum's and Lucas's responses the Leo rumours are different than denying an actors involvement alltogether. Consistently saying you want an unknown actor for a role adds a lot more weight to your argument. We were going nuts about "Leo top secret visit to the Ranch" this summer. This is just regurgitated nonsense straight from the idiot's mouth now (Leo). He doesn't have a chance. Get over it. All the evidence points to NO. As far as Ep. 2 itself goes though, I personally think it's going to be a bomb. I LOVED TPM but Ep. 2 is a much different beast. Lucas doesn't have ANY script help this time just like th elast. He thought about hiring Leigh Brackett and others but decided to go it alone again. I personally didn't mind Jar Jar at all in TPM because it was an action packed kid's movie basically. The only REAL problem with Jar Jar is what to do with him AFTER TPM. Unless Lucas tones him down and starts to turn him into a serious character (yeah right), Ep. 2 will be a howling disaster. -
I can understand peoples problems with Sam Jackson not being seen as Mace Windu but more like the actor himself, but that's because he had, what, less than a 2 minute scene? If Leo stars as Anakin, believe it or not, your mind would eventually shift into comprehending the whole idea of him as the character of young Darth after a few minutes. I mean come-on...you could say the same thing for any other actor in every movie. BTW, I think he'd make a great Anakin.
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Someone e-mailed me and said that Leo is 6'0 and 190 lbs. Saints be praised! All is right with the world! Hallelujah! With a build like that he can't possibly look like the last photo I saw of him from "The Beach". Thank you Aaron. Now I am positive that he doesn't screech out his lines like a 12 year old girl throwing a hissy fit. He will be a perfect choice to play the future destroyer of the Jedi. (Please add sarcasm where necessary)
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Jan 16, 2000 9:09:27 PM CST
Star Wars?? What could be worse than TPM... Eminem gets my vote
by one hung low
Let me start off by saying that I love Episodes 4-6, TPM was the most dissapointing movie I've ever paid to go see. The effects were awesome, lightsabers fights awe inspiring some of the characters were pretty neat such as- Sebulba, Darth Maul and seeing a young version of Obi-Wan But the acting oh my God, everyone sucked, Samuel L. Jackson's worst performance. What was up with Natalie's voice. I understood that she didn't want them to know she was a decoy but that sounded horrible. I'll see Episode II but after a while and only if the lightsabers fights are even close to be as good or bettr than EI
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Jan 16, 2000 9:10:15 PM CST
Star Wars?? What could be worse than TPM... Eminem gets my vote
by one hung low
Let me start off by saying that I love Episodes 4-6, TPM was the most dissapointing movie I've ever paid to go see. The effects were awesome, lightsabers fights awe inspiring some of the characters were pretty neat such as- Sebulba, Darth Maul and seeing a young version of Obi-Wan But the acting oh my God, everyone sucked, Samuel L. Jackson's worst performance. What was up with Natalie's voice. I understood that she didn't want them to know she was a decoy but that sounded horrible. I'll see Episode II but after a while and only if the lightsabers fights are even close to be as good or bettr than EI
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So Titanic sucked but Leo is admittedly a very good actor and he has a screen presence that's riveting. Didn't see him as Anakin at first thought but the idea is making more sense.It will bring back a sense of drama to the whole thing - PM should have been huge but Lucas blew it. I can see Portman and Leo having great chemistry and the interaction of Ewan and Leo should be quite interesting. Hey, I heard James Earl Jones gave his thumbs up on Leo - good enough for me!
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Take a look at the older Anakin at the end of ROTJ, as rejuvenated by the Force. He's a pretty big, barrel-chested guy, with a strong, rugged face. This kind of defeats the argument that Vader's body is all mechanical; it's pretty obvious that Anakin was a big man before his disfigurement. Leo's too wimpy-looking in comparison to the older Anakin played by Sebastian Shaw. We know what Anakin looks like as a kid, we know what Anakin looks like as a an older man. We need to find a middle ground for the 20-year old Anakin, not a big-name pretty boy who'd distract people from the film. Also, all of the actors who've played Jedis--Shaw included--have had a strength of character conveyed in their face or the eyes or their attitudes that make you think, "That's a Jedi." Leo conveys only smugness. Not exactly Jedi-like. Heck, Mark Hamill, while not a big man, was toned and had some muscle definition (which made sense given that Jedi training is pretty rigorous). Leo looks like a twig. Also, if he appeared in the film, it wouldn't be a STAR WARS film anymore. It'd be a Leo film, which would make everyone else in the film seem insignificant. We need an unknown for this role. Otherwise it won't work.
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"Leo sucks... Lucas sucks... Star Wars sucks... Lucas should this... Lucas should that...".
Try something new people. To the guy who said that he can't imagine James Earl Jones' voice come from Leo?? Well, that's because the voice sounded so scary due to the mechanics of Darth Vader. Notice how "Vader" sounds different after his mask is taken off??? Hello!!
Leo would be perfect for the role. Why do you all hate him? The media... that's why. You hear too much about him. But does that mean he's a shitty actor? Does that mean he can't pull off the role?
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Jan 17, 2000 12:01:06 AM CST
Obi-Wan Kenobi: A hearty "screw you!" to you, sir...
by the garbage man
Did I ask your opinion, dickwad? Yeah, I thought not. Take that lightsaber and shove it up your @$$.
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Leo sucks! He's a little tiny girly-man, not someone who will grow up to be Dave Prowse and James Earl Jones combined! Men hate him, women have forgotten him! He will alienate more fans than he's attract!
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Well, it just makes sense...
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I liked Episode One Ill start of saying that. I didnt like Jar Jar Binks but I placed the Gungans in the order and place in which The Ewoks potrayed. Im eagerly anticipating Episode 2 and personally I cant see Leo potraying Anakin I know in the end Lucas's vision will come to the screen. Too many people think what we want and we somehow own Star Wars that we cant get Leo the part if Lucas wants him. What willl be done will be done. On another note Star Wars #13 (The New Star Wars Comic Series from Dark Horse) Is featuring a storyline involving The Jedi Council spotlighting Mace Windu and more and actually named the Jedi Council and featured a cameo of Anakin about 2 years after the events of Episode One thats for people clamouring for anything new. I dont want to see Leo id Love to see Ryan Philleppe maybe as just his part in Cruel Intentions where he played bad and good it might be a good contrast of what is needed for the part. Heres a Dark Horse how about the actor that Played Spud in Trainspotting. Ewan and Spud hit the town score some Heroin from a Dealer in Corcuscant and trip out and there sidekick wont be be Jar Jar binks it will be Fritz The Cat or those Lovable Feebles from Meet The Feebles. Ya I can dig it man Obi Wan wakes up in a drug haze and sees the Queen next to him and then Anakin comes in and flips out and thats what makes Anakin turn to the Dark Side that and he owed money to Sidious. Star Wars a love story is kinda like a oxymoron sure I saw it in the first film with Jakey and Natalie and they were setting up a foundation for some soft jazz music dim lighting and a Condom dispensing droid in the later episodes, but when are the damn clones wars going to happen when is Sidious going to go into the Council chamber and o hey assholes im the like Dark side im on the same planet and you cant see me then stick his tongue out and use Yaddel (Female Yoda Species) as a football. I cant wait to Episode 2 when Anakin gets down to business. Party on dudes *Eats some Cheetos*
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Actually Leo gained quite a bit of weight and toned up for his role in the Beach. Its a little thing actors do to prepare for roles. Edward Norton looked like a twig before American History X, that didn't stop them from casting him, he bulked up and looked freaking huge in the movie and did a hell of a job.
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What's with the Lucas is the worst director of all time crap? Let's look at it objectively, folks. He's directed four movies, two of which were genuine classics (American Graffitti and Star Wars) and two which were arguably just good (THX 1138 and Phantom Menace). Hardly puts him in the same category as Schumacher, does it? Episode II and III will rock, or I'll choke my wookie. Leo would be OK, but an unknown would be better.
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Lucas never considered Leigh Brackett to write Episode I because she has been dead since 1978.And I want to bang Natalie Portman.
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This is GREAT! Imagine the scene at the lava pit; the two leading young actors of their generation from both sides of the atlantic in a duel to the death, choreographed by Ray Park. Plus, a possible love triangle between McGregor and DeCaprio! In addition to this, would McGregor's eventual victory in both contests and Leo's turn to the dark side rid him of the teen audience that he now clearly considers a mill stone arounf his neck?
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Flint2, you had me going along with you until you pulled that boner about Leigh Brackett being considered to help out with the Ep2 script, as everyone knows she's been dead for over twenty years.
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Personally, I'd like to see Jude Law get the role. But, I know it's not gonna happen so I'm not gonna bitch about it. Neither, will I see him get the role of Daredevil. And, I know that Edward Norton won't be Spiderman. I just don't understand why all of you are whining and complaining. Leo is a great actor, and I'll be happy if he gets the part. I don't want some freakin unknown to play Anakin.
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Personally, I'd like to see Jude Law get the role. But, I know it's not gonna happen so I'm not gonna bitch about it. Neither, will I see him get the role of Daredevil. And, I know that Edward Norton won't be Spiderman. I just don't understand why all of you are whining and complaining. Leo is a great actor, and I'll be happy if he gets the part. I don't want some freakin unknown to play Anakin.
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Every thing aimed at Phantom Menace (weak story and/or characters, aimed at children, a case of "the cutes") is true of all three previous movies (even "Empire"). We are slamming Phantom Menace, many of us, as people in our late twenties (not all of us), forgetting we were eight or so when we saw Empire, or A New Hope, or even ROTJ. How many of us, honestly, disliked the ewoks when we first saw them? Remember back to 1983, did you really hate the ewoks? Do you think most seven year olds right now really hate Jar Jar? (I know my six year old niece liked him best). When you watch a Star Wars movie with an adult sensibility, perhaps a little bit gets lost. Me, I found myself regressing 20 years or so watching Phantom Menace. And I didn't think it was a bad thing at all.
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to all Leo haters:
Did you start hating him before or after "Romeo&Juliet", "Titanic"?
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The simplest choice for Anakin is William Zabka. With that cool black headband, dark Jordache jeans, Members-Only jacket and blow-dried hair, he would really fill the seats. In addition, we could bring back the other Cobra Kais as fellow Jedi knights. Instead of those cool 80s dirtbikes, they could cruise Coruscant on speederbikes. Oh, by the way...MARTIN KOVE FOR THE NEW SITH WARRIOR!!!!
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You people who felt TPM was sub par compared the classic trilogy are experiencing a comprehension problem.
Maybe in another 20 years you morons will understand, but until then, go make your own flic if you can do better.
TPM has the most adult oriented story line of all of the classic films, you are just not adult enough to see it.
Leo would also make a fine Anakin. The people who think he would be bad are thinking that becuase he is not what YOU picture as Anakin. I have news for you, George has his own ideas.
Some of you may think that Anakin will be showing his evil side more and more. But while there will be the occasional hint, he will coast through the next two installments as a hero like Luke.
This is done so that we can draw aparallels between the two.
Luke is the example of what you should do, while Anakin is the example of what you shouldn't do.
And that crap about knowing someone on the ranch, leo suggesting changes in the story, or Lucas getting upset over is where the bull lies.
Lucas is not a control freak. He has his ideas, and a direction he wants to take these films, but as long as other's ideas sound good to him and do not interfere with what he is trying to do narrativly, he will use them.
I do beleive that if Leo wants to be in SW, he will have to swallow his pride and work at a reasonable rate compared to what he is used to since Titanic.
If any of you were true SW fans, you wouldn't be here swearing and hating this and that. Unless you like being on the dark side.
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Would be dope as hell. The thought never crossed my mind! Brilliant idea! For heaven's sake, who else could do a better job? Oh my. Just for the record, I want to add that Natalie Portman is a goddess. That is all I have to say.
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To those who claim that "The Phantom Menace" is the most adult of the "Star Wars films, I totally agree. Poo-poo jokes and farting in character's faces is truly adult. That's what the original trilogy is missing! I'm waiting for the new Special Edition in which Chewie rips one right in Luke's face. Or the scene in which Admiral Ozzel disturbs Vader while he's on the can and gets a full blast of Darth's vapor. Adult, indeed! Oh, and William Zabka would NEVER be in a poo-poo humor movie!
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While TAXI DRIVER and GODFATHER II are excellent... you are comparing apples with oranges! Are you the kind of person who says, "I liked AMERICAN BEAUTY better than TOY STORY 2"??
You can't compare the two because they are both different films.
I'm sick of sticking up for EP. 1 on this damn site!! Who cares. You'll continue to trash it and I'll continue to defend it.
Ep. II may kickass in your eyes or it may not. So many people think that Lucas has a responsibility to his fans. Fuck that! I'm glad Lucas doesn't give a shit about what we say (perhaps a little bit), because then he's a REAL fucking filmmaker. He does what he wants. He creates his own world, his own story, his own characters.
He does this with his mostly his own money, his own vision, his own editing.
He doesn't depend on marketing to decide what he does in his films. He doesn't depend on SW fans... if he did, Ep. 1 would have had ALL of the rumors that were flying around; the millenium falcon will appear in Ep. I, Chewbacca will appear, etc.
We would have seen x-wings, tie fighters, star destroyers, etc.
I'll admit, it would have been cool to see some familiar things but hey, the film would be just a rehash!
Ep. 1 had its flaws... but in whose eyes? Each of us take something different away from each film we see!
Sorry you didn't like the film. But WE KNOW!!!! Stop saying the same old shit. I'll respect people like SSZERO who don't just say "it sucks, Lucas sucks, etc." like 99 % of you people who hate it.
KUDOS to the guy whoasked "did you actually hate the ewoks when you first saw the film when you were a kid, etc."! Good point.
Basically, I think Ep. 1 was just the set up. Nothing new there, but I have faith that we will all be surprised. If not (for some of you) oh well.
However, for those who continue to say that Lucas sucks... YOU WILL BE WAITING IN LINE FOR EPISODE II!! You know it, I know it, and so does Lucas!! He's laughing his ass off right now! You'll wait for hours in that line ... all of you! Anyone who says they won't is a fuckin' liar!! So, the jokes on you.
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I challenge you this! You say you hate the guy? You say he's a shitty director? You say SW is dead? Etc. Etc. Etc????
BOYCOTT the fucking movies then (Episode I, II, III)!!!! Don't go see em! You think Lucas can't direct? Why go see the film then??
Don't stand in line for tickets! Don't ask your friends to buy them for you! Don't stand in line for some movie you don't want to see that JUST has the Episode II trailer!!
DON'T GO!
Sounds hard doesn't it? Like I said before, you WILL be in line! You WILL go see it. And if it IS good (excellent, brilliant, whatever), you will support Lucas once again!
For those who do boycott the film or whatever, you have the respect of most fans that support Lucas' decisions.
For those who don't, stop your fucking whining and get on with your life!!
Episode I had flaws in my eyes. I didn't care for the humor that went along with the sandpeople and jawas when they were originally (at least the sandpeople) mysterious, freaky characters... they were a punchline.
I didn't care for the Jar Jar fart jokes and what not.
I think that the film focused too much on action scenes. It went to fast. There wasn't as many establishing shots, or even emotional close ups, etc. compared to the other films.
But I still loved it!
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Hello all. I really have no opinion other than this: Can Leo fill Darth's boots? Darth Vader was portrayed as a very tall man. Sure a little can be attributed to boots and height of the helmet, but really, do we think Leo is going to seem plausible as Darth Vader when he doesn't tower above people around him? Think of the logistics people. That's my 2 red cents worth, Red_2 out.
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Why don't you all grow the hell up. Leo is a great actor (Basketball Diaries, What's Eating Gilbert Grape, AND YES Titanic) I'm a DIEHARD Star Wars fan and my girlfriend I have had this discussion a million times...Leo is the best man for the job. Grow up with the whole, "NO Leo, Titanic broke the Star Wars Record so we hate Leo trip" IT'S OLD! Will you not see the next Cameron Movie? I didn't think so. Grow the fuck up and stop making Star Wars fans look like morons.
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SSZero, you obviously have some serious problems if you think me realizing how great TPM is is going to lead to bestiality. That is how you know you are losing the argument, when you have to resort to classless insults like that. If you haven't figured out how to argue in a civilized manor, how do you come to the conclusion that you would know a good movie if it came up and bit you on the ass? If you have any arguemtns as to why the film sucked, I would love to hear them. I would guess you could not come up with anything I have not heard yet. So far everyone's reasons I have heard are pathetic attempts to make themselves seem cool, when they really just don't understand the film. Bring it on, I would prefer a straight debate to all this name calling. -Snoogans
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Jan 17, 2000 6:36:40 PM CST
Leo Shouldn't be Anakin...and not for the reason you think.
by melcaramel
Lucas has completely lost his touch. TPM sucked so bad, I considered leaving the theater. I'm looking forward to the second episode about as much as I'd look forward to seeing Arnold Schwarzenegger do Shakespeare. Leonardo is far too talented for such crap. Let a no-talent bastard like Brendan Fraser play Anakin...then we won't have to feel so bad when the movie sucks. At least we won't be seeing the rape of a great actor's career.
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There are some really juvinle things in TPM, things that were more juvinile than those of the classic trilgoy, but that is because the rest of the film is so adult and dark in tone, you need those other bits to balance it out. If you do not see why this is the most adult film, welcome to the club. Most people don't get it either.
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Jude Law is also far too talented to be Anakin. No one with actual talent should come near Lucas, Episode 2, or any subsequent Star Wars episodes.
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Red_2: Height doesn't matter because the Vader we know and love was mostly machine. He only had his original torso and head. His arms and legs are robotic. So height is totally not an issue. MelCaramel:Whatever Jerkey!
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SSZero: None of those movies you mention can even hope to hold a candle to the Star Wars saga. I love Godfather, and Taxi driver, but the plot is extremely simple and superficial compared to the mythic porportions of the SW saga. Nobody in the history of film has created such an incredibly detailed and multi-layerd plot line as Lucas has. You say that I would not know a good movie, but the thing is, you only have the rest of Hollywood to go by, and Lucas knows better than they do. His vision is much more grand and well thought out than any other series of films. How many film series are more than just sequels tacked onto the original story? You know, the first movie did well, so they created a followup story? Alien was a msterpeice, and Aliens was an incredible sequel, but they do not tie into each other as much or as well as ANH did to ESB, or ROTJ for that matter.Think about it, this will be a 12 hour film when it is done. Broken up into episodes, not sequels. But that is one of the reasons those of you who don't get it, don't get it. Your minds are so used to the limted range of the rest of Hollywood that this saga is like a stereogram. Eventually, when you expand your scope of comprehension, you will see the hidden images. The only reason some of us get it, is because we understand how Lucas works from years of study. I am not better than the rest of you, it is just I amnaged to understand it faster than you did. Trust me, in 20 years you will not even admit to saying I have beastialic tendancies, and you will act like you got it all along.
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I still think there is a issue of hieght here. Remember the ghost images of Kenobi, Annikan, and Yoda in ROTJ. Anikin (sp?) was taller than Kenobi who was of average height, therefore, Anni should be fairly tall. I just don't get that impression of ol' Leo. There's 2 more red cents worth, Red_2 out.
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I see your point. But when you see Vader in the suit, there were two people playing him. The tall David Prowse, and the small and stalkey (whats his face). You know, they stunt man who COULD swordfight in Empire and Jedi? So I do not think height continuity will be a major reason for keeping Leo out.
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Sanchez here...gomer, I didn't dislike Episode I at all. I just found it to be very much aimed at children. Yes, yes, I know the whole series is designed that way, but Episode I took the kiddie thing and jacked it up to 11. You can't tell me with a straight face that the two-headed podrace announcer, Jar-Jar's antics, Boss Nass's pidgin English, the "Are you brain-dead?" remark, and the aforementioned ca-ca jokes are in any way the earmarks of an adult film. Don't get me wrong. As a summer getaway film, it's great. As a "Star Wars" film, it's a bit of a letdown. But hey, if you dig it and find it adult in tone, that's cool. I have no problem with that. We can agree to disagre. Now, if you want my reccomendation for an adult "Star Wars" film, let's talk "The Empire Strikes Back". Take care.
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What is going on here? Have you all been in suspended animation for 2 years awaiting the arrival of Episode 1? No one has even mentioned that Titanic was released over 2 years ago & the fact that DiCaprio has done nothing since then (excluding the Man in the Iron Mask, which ended its theatrical run before Titanic). Have any of you even noticed how DiCaprio has kept a super low profile since those early months of 1998? I mean, has he spent the last two years capitalizing on his extreme popularity by doing 10 movies and countless endorsements? NO. Face the facts. His interview in this month's Talk Magazine is the first he's done since Titanic. The Beach is the only movie he's signed to do in the last 2 years. If you had his popularity would you do the same thing with your career? 9 cases out of 10, the answer would be no. He should be respected for being discreet and careful with his career. The guy is smart and can act damn well.
You nay-sayers are obviously out of touch with the very people who made DiCaprio the Tiger Beat cover boy he was 2 years ago (let's not forget he was also on the cover of Vanity Fair not just teen girl mags). Young girls move on to other heartthrobs when one doesn't appear in movies or TV. And in two years, most already have. The teen-girl Leonardo craze is virtually over, and he has chosen a very grown-up film to follow Titanic -- and waited over two years to do it. Have any of you even read the Beach? It's a tough novel & a tough role. Also, although I do not think the movie will live up to the book, it's certainly not the sort of thing I want my 14-year-old sister to see.
Little girls understood Titanic, they are not going to get The Beach (& I doubt their parents will allow them the chance) -- especially under the direction of Danny Boyle and with the story of Alex Garland.
Now, let's quit with this lingering jealousy of DiCaprio. For pete's sake, two years is a long time to hold a grudge, so you people are either pathetic or obssessively jealous of this man. Also, remember that Episode 2 is not going to be in theaters for a while, so the craze should be over completely if Leo continues to manage his career well (& you're REALLY REALLY pathetic if you still hold the grudge by the time the credits roll on that one).
On a final note, did anyone else notice (I'm sure some of you saw it enough times to catch it) that Jake Lloyd's tone and mannerisms seemed very reminiscent of DiCaprio's? Deny that & slam me if you want, but in the scene where Anikan meets Padme, the comparisons are almost uncanny. This will be all the more evident when the video comes out and a side-by-side comparison can be done. Until then, get over yourselves! In the end it's up to Lucas, but DiCaprio is being harshly judged for "crimes" he committed years ago. :) -
First off, my apoligies to everybody who read that crap I posted about Lucas "not consulting Leigh Brackett." I actually posted that from second hand memory from something a forum member on the force.net posted about a month ago. Obviously I was wrong. However, BELIEVE ME, everything ELSE in that post is 100% true. All of those interviews are corroboratted in theforce.net's news archive and I read the msnbc one in its entirety. So Lucas and McCallum HAVE been stating repeatedly that they want an UNKNOWN actor. HOWEVER, check out this latest news from today's news on theforce.net which I just copied and pasted here:
DiCaprio talks to E! News Daily
Mon, Jan 17, 00 07:03:45 PM EST
Padawan78 sent this in:
Just saw E! News Daily and Leo was asked about the role of Anakin Skywalker:
"Will you be Anakin Skywalker?"
"No, not yet, I haven't seen a script or anything."
That's pretty close to perfect at what was said...he was also asked if he was spiderman and he said no.
Thanks to Darth Bob who also sent a report!
So even though I know for a fact that Lucas and McCallum kept saying that they wanted an unknown actor and they seemed sincere, it's almost obvious now that they were lying---as usual. I'd hoped for once they could tell the truth about something so simple and importatnt, especially Lucas. It looks like from this latest news, that Leo is all but a lock for the part. And I'm not happy. Having Leo, a big name actor to the role of Anikin(who is just WRONG for such a serious character in every technical and acting way possible...), will shatter my moviegoing experience which I hoped would let me enjoy Anikin's tragic last journey with a fresh new face portraying him that everyone could identify with better on an individual basis.
SSZero:
You didn't like the TPM? OK, I'm not gonna go on hours about that. You just couldn't enjoy it for what it was. A kid's movie (duh) with dark political intrigue and foreshadowing underneath. It had ten times more foreshadowing and setup than the OT. And why are you so obsessed with Leo geting the role of Anikin? If you hated TPM that bad, what the heck makes you think Leo is going to enhance Ep. II since it will probably be similar in more than a few ways? Not only that, Leo's acting "ability" will NOT come through in the way you want it too. Lucas confines his actors like you wouldn't believe. Just look at how Ewan and Liam did with their characters. Sure, they did good IMHO but they were cornered in. Leo will be the same. Did you know that in that scene where Qui Gon squeezes Smhi's shoulders and comforts her, that was Liam's idea/! And guess what? It took him a FOREVER to convince Lucas to let him touch Shmi. Lucas didn't want him to. So Leo may be a lock, but this is what he's going to deal with everyday. Lucas is a detail obssessed guy who doesn't give an inch except on rare occasions and Leo's whining (I know he's badgered Kenneth Branagh before on some other movie, I can't remember which one, but Branagh talked about it on Dave before last year how Leo was trying to tell people on set how to act some of their scenes better) won't get him anywhere. I'm not slamming you or anything, I don't have a weird personal agenda against Leo, it's just that most of us here just want a little known actor to get the part because we feel that it would add to Anikin's appeal and tragedy much more. I guess Lucas heard how much we didn't want Leo and decided to punish us as he apparently did with everyone hating Jar Jar only to decide to bring him back after TPM. Hmmmmmm. Fear of failure for Lucas's dumb ideas? Fear of failure leads to...you get the picture. Lucas is a talented guy but he's a vindictive lier.
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Just because you are weak minded and like to jump to conclusions does not mean they were lying to you. They have never said the phrase: Leonardo DiCaprio will not play Anakin. Just becuase they say that the rumors that they HAVE cast Leo were false, does not mean that there is no future possibility of that. Lucas also said that we would be surprised who they picked (again many of you thought Leo was impossible) and that he was a relatively unknown. RELATIVELY! George thought of Ewan McGreggor to be an unknown. So quit blaming your gullibleness on them and try listening every once in a while.
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KingKrypton is right. His point about Anakin's spirit's build is right on the money. To all of you saying that Star Wars is Lucas's vision and we have no say in it, you are absolutely right...EXCEPT a lot of us are simply pointing out a possible error in continuity by casting Leo. His build and voice are not consistent with the rest of the actors who have portrayed Anakin/Darth Vader (with the possible exception of Jake Lloyd) By the way, you can all stop e-mailing me with Leo's measurements and physical dimensions, I have seen stills of Leo from "The Beach" and he still looks like a 12 year old boy or girl.
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You'll still be in line for Episode II!! Admit it!!!
Note to other readers: Another smart, witty, "in depth" complaint from a "Lucas hater"... note the sarcasm?
Lucas has no talent? Well, being nominated for AMERICAN GRAFFITI and STAR WARS really doesn't support that argument does it. Even if EP. I did "suck" (it didn't in the majority's eyes), does that mean he's talentless????
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Boy they don't call ya Gomer for nothing do they? As I recall, on the Andy Griffith Show (one of my favorite comedy shows of all time next to Seinfeld, Barney Fife is great, almost better than Kramer), *Gomer* is one of the most *gullible* characters on the show. Do you really think the words UNKNOWN ACTOR are a truthful comparison to Leo????? Never mind he's recognized WORLDWIDE. So in light of that, do you really think that Lucas saying that an UNKNOWN ACTOR would play Anikin is a truthful statement when taking Leo's common fame into account????? Don't get me wrong, I like Lucas. He's a great filmmaker and I loved TPM. The foreshadowing and hints all over the film were awesome. But one of his major faults is that he lies to cover his tracks for what he knows isn't true/what doesn't fit into his agenda. For instance, remember the CGI Jabba in ANH Special Edition? In a Time Magazine article from January 97 (either that or Feb. 97) which featured the Special Editions with an interview with Lucas, Lucas said that the Scottish actor who was originally supposed to be Jabba (originally a human character obviously) was actually a STAND IN for the Jabba prop/spfx but they decided to scrap the scene in 1977 because they "couldn't do a creature effect back then and superimpose it over a standin whether it be a simple puppet, ect." LOL. YEAH RIGHT. So yeah, Lucas lies once in awhile and sometimes so bad it's not even funny. And about dumb little things that don't matter much like what I mentioned as if he thinks the Jabba "secret" is a NASA/CIA file. Don't believe me? Go dig up that Time Magazine from January/Feb. 97. Either that or I've even seen videotaped interviews where he said the same thing. On the Special Edition for ANH I think he lies about the Jabba "stand in" from '77. Never mind that the Scottish actor was in FULL COSTUME, so no he wasn't a "stand in" for Jabba. They weren't dumb enough back then to think they could "superimpose" a creature prop into the film. It was obviously impossible back then to anybody, especially for a scene like that with all those human actors. Lucas just decided sometime in between that he wanted Jabba a slug/monster before he made RoTJ and apparently feels some weird insecurity that he made this change (and others) and acts like this (and other storylines in the saga) were all written a head of time (not, Luke and Leia meant to be bro and sis in ANH? nope, no way). That's a great example right there of how Lucas lies. So maybe I'm a little gullible but I think the feeling's mutual here. Yeah, I think Leo is in Ep. 2 now especially after that quote off E! Daily News and yeah I think Lucas and McCallum were lying about using an "unknown" actor. "Relatively unknown"??? Er, yeah that's not slightly untrue. Give me a break.
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I agree, the film could have done without Jar Jar. However, the story was a very good one given it's resposibility to the next trilogy. New characters had to be introduced, and the bulk of the story (Palpatine's ruse) had to be laid down before the more exciting and action-laden episodes could be made. Episode 1 had one purpose--to show how devious Palpatine was--and to explain how he proceeded to take the beginning steps to eventually rule a galaxy. The ENTIRE movie revolved around his plan to become chancellor--which he orchestrated perfectly. He was an effective puppet master, wasn't he? Maul could have spoken more, I'll agree. I missed the quips and jibes in between saber thrusts that we were used to in the first trilogy. But it did add to a sense of mystery surrounding the character (It sounds cliche--but much like Boba Fett). I just wish people would show a little faith in Lucas and stop bitching so much. There are elements to all the SW films I wish they would have left out--but I won't complain because they do make up one of the greatest stories ever told--i honestly believe that, and episode 1 is a big part of that. By the way, my picks for Anakin are Wes Bentley, Jude Law or Scott Bairstow(Lonesome Dove: The Series).
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That's Mr. gomer to you pal. 1) George said "most likely it would be a realtively unknown". So he did not lie, he said the odds were against an unknown. Once again you illustrate how he can mislead you without actually lying. When you clear your mind, you will know where he is making a definative statement, or just being vague. Also, how the hell do you KNOW that Lucas is lying about the Jabba footage from ANH? He had scetches showing the scene with the actor being covered over with a huge rat-like creature. Do you realize that in '77, they inventead all of those special effects as they used them? Maybe they couldn't get it to work right then, which is why they waited 'til now LIKE HE SAID. Just because you would lie at the drop of a hat doesn't mean he would. -Snoogans At least Gomer Pyle never accused anyone without any proof.
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The film could NOT have done without Jar-Jar. You people are so obseesed with findinf fault in him, you don't see how he effects the plot in TPM, and you don't see how he will undoubtedly effect the overall story in the next two films. He needed to be clumsey and annoying. That was not a mistake, he turned out just as he should have.
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Just because he had an "outfit" on, does not mean that they weren't going to replace him. The costume is there to give the actor playing against him better abillity to react to him. Did you see how the had Ahmed Best all dolled up? He even had a "head hat". I don't mind that you don't know this stuff, just quit making accusations based on your weak personal assumptions.
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WHAT IS HE YOUR MOTHER OR SOMETHING? SHUT UP! MORON. LIKE MANY OF MY MATES I LIKE STARWARS. I LIKE IT A LOT. I LIKE TALKIN ABOUT IT. I LIKE SPECULATING ON IT AND I LIKE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. IT'S MY RIGHT. THROUGH STARWARS, VIDEOS, STUFF, EPISODE 1 I'VE HELPED MAKE LUCAS A RICH MAN AND I'M GONNA MAKE HIM EVEN RICHER WHEN I SEE EPISODE 2. SO YOU WON'T MIND IF I HAVE A CRITICAL LOOK AT WHAT COST ME MONEY OR GOD FORBID IF I MAKE LITTLE TINY HUMBLE SPECULATIONS ABOUT WHAT FUTURE MY MEAGRE WAGE HAS IN STORE FOR IT. GEORGE LUCAS IS A MONEY MAKING MACHINE BRED FROM BIRTH. ARTIST!!!! WHAT ARE YOU TALKIN ABOUT?
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You know, perhaps having Leo as Anakin isn't such a bad idea. I hate him with a vengeance, so perhaps he could be convincing later on as he transforms into Darth Vader. I mean, the little girlyboy falls into a pool of lava, right? I'd pay to see that in real life ;) A really good splash for Leo might even make up for them bringing back Jar Jar.
-Lisa
(the only girl in the theater who laughed maniacally as Jack sank beneath the waves)
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Easy there, captain CAPS! You have every right to be an asshole. No one can take that away from you. If you spend money on George's merchandise, that is your own damned fault. Once you pay for a collectible, and you get that collectible, BAM! transaction complete. He doesn't owe any of you jack. If you happen to like what he is doing in these films, hey that is great. If not, cry me a river. Also, just because you like his films does not mean you should accuse him of lying when you have no idea what you are talking about. You can say he purposely mislead us, but if you think it is cool to just out and out make stuff up about the guy (because you have enjoyed his films?) That's fine, but don't expect it to give you any credit, and don't be surprised when people like me (who take the time to know what we are talking about) correct your sorry ass. People like you are one of the main reasons our society is all screwed up. People need to quit guessing, and start looking into things that concern them. The wisest man knows what he does not know. -Snoogans!
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You keep contradicting yourself. "The odds are against a known actor"? I never heard/read him say that. He's been stating consistently that he wants an unknown. How does "odds are against a known actor" prove Lucas has been telling the truth about the casting all along? And please provide some proof of those "rat creature sketches" which were supposed to be "over" or "by" the Scottish actor, cuz that's the first I heard of that. Lucas doesn't mention that all in the interview before the ANH Special Edition tape where he discusses Jabba, ect. If it were true, he probably would have mentioned it at least briefly. And yes it matters that the Scottish actor was in full costume. It was just a REGULAR COSTUME like any of the other stock actors on the Tatooine set would use. Ahmed Best wore a Jar Jar head because in this day and age you CAN use an actor as a reference for SPFX to be inserted later but that was IMPOSSIBLE back then. If he was a reference for "the creature" he would have just had regular clothing with a small piece(s) depicting part of the creature. Ahmed Best wore regular clothes, sneakers, ect. with his Jar Jar suit/hat stretched over them. If you've seen pictures of the Scottish actor, he was CLEARLY dressed as a regular, plain old Tatooine villian or character. NOT a point of reference for a creature effect. I suppose next you'll tell me that Lucas could have inserted raptors into that same scene if he wanted back in 1977. Hello? SPFX were just not advanced enough back then. The only way they could have done it is if there was a guy INSIDE a *creature costume/mock up* interacting and being flimed DIRECTLY into the scene (like the Jabba prop in RoTJ). Sure, they could do a little stop motion creature and slap it over but stop motion combined with live actors for long stretches at a time looked really crappy back then. That's why we only get brief shots of Luke riding his Taun Taun mount in ESB.
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I could have sworn that peice of artwork was shown in the special edition supplement for ANH.
If not, then I saw it in one of the many peices done on the special edition at the time. If you would rather assume Lucas is lying fine. But don't expect me to hold you hand and point the truth out to you. If you know what you are talking about, fine, but obviously your entire argument relies on your assumptions. You assume that because the actor had a costume on that he was not going to be replaced. You assume that because it wasn't possible back then, that he wouldn't have tried it. Everything they did in ANH was impossible back then, they made the special effects tecniques up as they went along. Also, for your information Ahmed best was dressed up entirely like Jar-Jar except for the head. Don't beleive me, check this webpage I made just to educate your sorry ass."http://dave.itsgames.com/assume.html" -
I meant to say George siad the odds were in FAVOR of a realtively unknown. Sorry about the confusion. That still doesn't give you people the right to assume he is lying.
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So if Darth Vader is just a head on a cyborg body, what sort of batteries would he use? And if they ran out, who would change them?
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