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Published at: June 15, 2011, 3:19 a.m. CST

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

Welcome back to the Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day! Apologies for the blackout on the column, but my time in LA was so packed that I was getting less than 4 hours of sleep a night, so I had to put the column on the backburner until I got home.

Now I’m home and I don’t get to be lazy anymore! So, gonna fly now with some awesome Rocky Behind the Scenes shots, from the climactic fight between Balboa and Apollo Creed!

Stallone is beloved around here, for good reason. There’s so much heart in his best work and while he didn’t direct the first Rocky there’s no question that it’s HIS movie. From his vulnerable performance to the fantastic script, Stallone knocked this film out of the park, giving cinema one of its most enduring icons.

Rocky is an inspiring film, one that gets you fired up to achieve no matter you’re your dreams are or what obstacles are in your way. Failing isn’t something to be ashamed of; not trying is.

Thanks once again to Jordan Krug for sending these along! Click to embiggen!

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you have a behind the scenes shot you’d like to submit to this column, you can email me at quint@aintitcool.com.

Tomorrow’s behind the scenes pic features creator and creation meeting.

-Quint
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  • June 15, 2011, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Yo Adrian!!

    by bohdi71

    Those training montages are the bomb...

  • June 15, 2011, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Rocky 3 is my fave

    by john

    It is what it is...

  • June 15, 2011, 3:28 a.m. CST

    You wanna ring the bell?

    by loafroaster

    Ding. Ding. My favourite Rocky, hands down.

  • June 15, 2011, 3:29 a.m. CST

    And I know that's from Rocky III.

    by loafroaster

    What's this can't? THERE AIN'T NO CAN'T!

  • June 15, 2011, 3:29 a.m. CST

    second pic

    by coolenough

    stallone looks much bigger than i thought he did in Rocky 1. His body frame looks more like it was in Rocky 4. if that makes sense.

  • June 15, 2011, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Steadicam

    by Munro Kelly

    Rocky is one of the 3 films that the steadicam was first used on, in 1976. That's Garrett Brown, the inventor, operating the steadicam, he also did the famous shots from The Shining. You can tell it's the early days of steadicam, it still look homemade.

  • June 15, 2011, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Rocky was the one with Mr. T and Hulk Hogan, right?

    by Isaac R.

  • June 15, 2011, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Rocky *3*

    by Isaac R.

    Whoops

  • June 15, 2011, 4:21 a.m. CST

    In the morning I splash it on..

    by BookhouseBoy

    ..and it makes me smeel mainly!

  • June 15, 2011, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Rocky is racist white boy fantasy shit

    by Jonathhan Kana

    lazy shiftless uneducated working class white stiff with a heart of gold gets to confront who is taking all the jobs: the growing horror of the day - the powerful, aggressive, loud mouthed, arrogant, rich, fast talking BLACK ATHLETE. He is quick, he is talented, but he is an asshole. He is the big bad. its a feel good story specifically for white schmucks. al bundy guys who hated seeing their better black peers on tv making millions. the ultimate dream of "i can take that black guy, he aint so tough, all that talking, he aint so tough"/ all of the talkbackers, the espn comment guys, all of the white lebron haters, its a poisonous racist diatribe. a gluttonous "what if". Rocky is as bad as Falling Down or Gran Turino. pure white man fantasy. the thing is, its also a well made move. its a movie that CAN speak to the little man in all of us, (even tho its blatantly caters to the disgruntled american white man) we all love the music, love the character, love the journey, love the feeling of running with Rock as people applaud him. its great. but we should never forget that its racist propaganda. all of the movies are. he fights what, a bunch of blacks, a russian, and then the worst received movie of them all was when he fought another white american man. sure that movie also sucked, but thats also cuz tommy gunn is just another white dude. there isnt enough to make him a villain. He wasnt an "Other" like a black or a russian. So yea...Rocky is racist as FUCK. Just like AICN likes it...right?

  • June 15, 2011, 4:37 a.m. CST

    You aint down...and you aint a loser...

    by john

    You just a jealous lazy BUM! I don't sweat you!

  • June 15, 2011, 4:41 a.m. CST

    johnathankana

    by Angry Mike

    You just opened my eyes brother. I feel like going out and beating me up a white man (even though I am one).

  • June 15, 2011, 4:50 a.m. CST

    not sure if serious...

    by Jonathhan Kana

    but I hope "you just opened my eyes" was at least real enough. There is alot in Rocky that tells u whats going on, right from the beginning. To simplify it, dont even think of Rocky as a fighter. Imagine him as a regular guy going to his job every day. Well, blue collar guys had those lockers in the factory jobs. You had your own locker and took pride in it. In our film, Rocky gets surprised when he finds out he lost his locker...and who took it but a smug, young, black guy. The message was clear in the beginning. The older whites were being phased out for what the establishment deemed was the better version, the younger, more talented black (who also had to be smug). So when we finally see Apollo, its that whole thing blown up again and reinforced. While Rocky himself doesnt do or say anything racist, the story is obviously set up that way.

  • June 15, 2011, 4:54 a.m. CST

    johnathankana

    by BookhouseBoy

    BOYCOTT SALS!!!

  • June 15, 2011, 4:56 a.m. CST

    also the other funny thing to me..

    by Jonathhan Kana

    Well, obviously Rocky is a throw back to Rocky Marciano. He was the last white american champ back in the 50s. so here is this movie in 1976, no white american champs, none sniffin the belt, but here is this fantasy movie that will give them hope that it could happen. and when u couple to to the backlash that was going on at the time with the Bakke decision (1976) for the UC college system that was really felt all over the country in regards to affirmative action, u get a really fucking great idea of what is REALLY going on in this movie. it being a really solid movie on top of all of that shit layered in it was just icing on the cake.

  • June 15, 2011, 5:12 a.m. CST

    johnathankana

    by loafroaster

    Apollo Creed isn't protrayed as simply aggressive, loud mouthed, arrogant, although Weather did take a lot of that from watching Ali interviews. He's got his own reasons for wanting the fight, especially in Rocky II. And hell, he trains the white boy after he gets hs ass kicked in Rocky III by Clubber Lang, basically a take on Sonny Liston.

  • June 15, 2011, 5:18 a.m. CST

    loatroaster

    by Jonathhan Kana

    he is DEFINITELY portrayed as loud mouthed and arrogant, and I would argue aggressive. not in the style of say "Clubber Lang" but easily he is the "black man" the USA feared at the time. He knows the system, knows how to pull at the heart strings. As the audience, we know he is faking out Philly, distorting American imagery for his own personal gain. He is tainting "true" american resilience, making a mockery of what it means to be an american. and in walks rocky, a blue collar TRUE american to face him. its all there. When we get to the sequels, thats another beast entirely. dont go there yet tho. IMO, the first film alone is enough to talk about without cluttering the discussion.

  • June 15, 2011, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Quite the diatribe there johnathankana...

    by Isaac R.

    Anonymity can do that to people, I guess. I wonder tho...would you go around spewing that racist horseshit where you work? (assuming you even have a job, that is). You sound like just another bigot with a chip on his shoulder who thinks he's owed a free pass because of the color of his skin. Oh, and "angry mike" if you're serious then you really need to man up brother...cuz you sound like a politically correct, ass kissing douche.

  • June 15, 2011, 5:39 a.m. CST

    What the hell?

    by Sanyi

    Rocky is a racist movie? Are you nuts? I'm tired of this "racist"-subject. Some idiot said that Scorsese is a racist filmmaker, and Woody Allen is another one, Eastwood, Tarantino...What the FUCK? Get off that horse man, I beat you right now. Stop saying such nonsense bullshit

  • June 15, 2011, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Seriously??

    by DCPete

    johnathankana...Words fail me. Sometimes you can dig far too deep to find meaning that simply isn't there. I've been watching these films for 26 years & I've never even given that kinda thing a seconds thought. Seriously...a far too complex analogy of a simple tale. A Chuck Wepner inspired boxing drama centred around a Love story is all it was beautifully intended to be.

  • June 15, 2011, 5:45 a.m. CST

    johnathankana: The Al Sharpton of AICN...lol

    by Isaac R.

    It's all a big conspiracy designed to keep the black man down!!

  • June 15, 2011, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Love that the cameraman is basically sitting on a hand cart

    by Movietool

    It looks like the director had some grip build that thing in his basement, based on crude plans drawn on a napkin during a production meeting that took place in a McDonalds. THAT'S moviemaking!

  • June 15, 2011, 6:10 a.m. CST

    johnathankana is right.

    by Ogmios_the_Eloquent

    it would've been better if there was no blacks in Rocky. then i wouldn't have been racist, right? better yet, rocky is racist against whites. look at how the regular american, embodied by stallone, is portrayed: poor, lowlife dumbass that can't do squat besides resort to violence...(and Pauly is an even worse piece of whitetrash) wherein the black dude is cool and rich and famous, the perfect embodiment of what all americans aspire to be. In a sense, the black dude is better then all the white folks in the movie. Damn, i'll never watch it again... so effin racist.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:13 a.m. CST

    johnathankana

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Please go to the chalk board and write .......... obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious obvious troll is obvious ...............until you drop dead of something.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:15 a.m. CST

    JOHNATHANKANA...

    by johnnyrandom

    ...some people will see racism everywhere. They use it as an excuse for their lack of progression through life. Get over it, son, it's a film. Go out and achieve something today, and if you fail, try not blaming the colour of your skin, or other people's attitudes to it.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST

    LOL@ you people

    by Jonathhan Kana

    not only are people not even coming close to addressing anything Im saying about ACTUAL STUFF THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN THE MOVIE, I have some guys calling ME racist for bringing UP racism. Look kids. Im a black guy, yes. But Im also most likely more privileged than any of you. 2 parent home. brought up in the black beverly hills, yet wasnt of it. went to school and know people u salivate over. 2 college degrees. Im a middle class black with absolutely no chip on my shoulder and dont apologize for how I was raised either. 2 cocker spaniels in the 80s, motherfuckas. Im not mad at the world, not mad "at the man". I probably relate to more movie going sensibilities with you racist fucks than the majority of black movie goers in this country. but therein lies the rub. I can hate on tyler perry for being a piece of shit hack no good non talented asshole the same way I can look at Rocky and tell its obviously racist intent and backstory. I can do that. I dont have to hold on to my race as a crutch like man of you white boys do, as well as some blacks in this country. No sirs. I can speak the truth about shit. Im free from all of your love struck fabricated affairs with these movies, because I dont have to be as close to them as you. I can love back to the future as my favorite movie and still see the bullshit racial flaws in it. the wink nod of a white boy creating rock n roll, not chuck berry. shit that you little kids will gloss over and wont think is significant because of the privledge of whiteness, i can notice AND comment on. Im a better version of where you came from. not being snooty, just being real. I harbor all of what yall know about film 100% plus an entirely different aspect of being black, and then another one of being highly educated. So you can argue with me, you can take shots, but one thing none of you will do is argue me on the merits of the movie. You know why? Because you will lose every fuckin time. I know my shit. Yall dont. LOL yall probably dont even know who Bakke is. Go holla@ google, little kids.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:26 a.m. CST

    THERE'S NO RACISM IN ROCKY...

    by johnnyrandom

    ...now let's move on.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:28 a.m. CST

    OH, AND...

    by johnnyrandom

    ...you're use of "holla" and "yall" (there should really be an apostrophe) make you sound like a low-rent hood rat. Just a thought. Now go hold up a 7 Eleven or something...

  • June 15, 2011, 6:33 a.m. CST

    johnathankana....

    by DCPete

    I don't think anybody wishes to argue with you...you however bought an arguement to the table. From the UK myself & have been bought up in an all equal society that inwhich we didn't see any seperation/inequality whathaveyou as kids. Although I'm aware this stuff is out there, I personally don't see it, especially in Movies like this....I mean BTTF....wtf? I suppose if you go looking for it, you'll find skewd aspects of life in damn near everything. But I ask ya....Seriously...Why look? If there's a rascist undercurrent present, It certainly didn't make any impression on me & I feel the responses your getting merely show others feel the same.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:33 a.m. CST

    ROCKY IS INHERENTLY RACIST

    by Jonathhan Kana

    but thanks for your blanket statements without ever addressing any of the specifics that I have alluded to in my previous posts. Are you people only able to speak in dumbed down rhetoric with no ability to extrapolate on your own? Can you for once in your pitiful dreary existences attempt an exercise in deductive reasoning, perhaps engage me directly in relation to points made rather willingly be reduced to nothing more than tea party patrons embroiled in slogan shouting shenanigans? Or, is your time too precious? Indeed, that must be it good sirs. LOL. None of you cretins can touch me. Not one.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:35 a.m. CST

    should people be banned for derailing TB's?

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    maybe that's a a better topic for discussion.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:40 a.m. CST

    LMAO@ "Holla" and "Yall" being low rent

    by Jonathhan Kana

    I can curse like a motherfucka, or delight in eloquent prose that you dastardly curmudgeons wouldn't understand without a thesaurus. Its who I am. No apologies. But lovely how you cant argue the points, you can only attempt to belittle foreign vernacular....when I can guarantee you my education is worth more than your existence. LOL I love that though. Yall know Im better, smarter, faster, in possession of more wit and obviously correct about Rocky. It is as clear as a proactive using Alicia Keys. Or is that reference too "hood rat" for you? LMAAAAO

  • June 15, 2011, 6:41 a.m. CST

    JOHNATHANKANA...

    by johnnyrandom

    ...you're not superior to anyone. You're a delusional moron who's saved up his begging money for a thesaurus for his 15 mins of fame railing at imagined racism on a geek forum. You've really made it in life now, huh? Ma 'n' Pa would be so proud. Seriously, people like you need medical help.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:44 a.m. CST

    None of you cretins can touch me. Not one.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Yeah - that's not baiting 101. Not at all. That's just a guy who genuinely believes what he's fapping and simply wants to calmly discuss his views with other people.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:45 a.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper - you cant handle the truth

    by Jonathhan Kana

    thats the problem. you specific whites on this site simply dont know how to handle reality. so snobbish, WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE SNOBBISH ABOUT! I can show you how to be a snob. I have reason to be. You poor hicks in Mudlich, Kentucky, (population 304) clearly just hold on to your whitness as a crutch, and love the fantasy of movies like this. when someone shows you reality.....oh man...yall cant take it. its like a giant festering pimple...yea....yall really need that proactive. dont hate me...hate the movie makers for lying to you about your whiteness this entire time. THEY told you you were better, that you didnt have to REALLY work for it, while I was busy getting more education than your entire family. THEY told u it was okay for u to be lazy. So dont be mad now....you had time to work. You didnt.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    LOL Im clearly superior to the guys on this forum

    by Jonathhan Kana

    Look, Im not a regular poster here. Its 446 am at a time for me when I am working on something 90% of kids wish you could work on. In another 30 minutes Ill be on set. I wont post again for another week. Where will you be? Meanwhile, Rocky is still racist. as. FUCK.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:55 a.m. CST

    JOHNATHANKANA...

    by johnnyrandom

    ...son, son, the only person you fool is yourself. You're not "on set", you're in an internet cafe, begging cup sitting beside you, reeking of piss, being stared at by a child wondering why you keep muttering to yourself and twitching and what happened to your other shoe. I don't know what's brought on this desire to attempt to lock horns with us more fragrant, stylish and intellectually superior folks here at AICN, but I hope it passes soon and you return to the gutter where you belong.

  • June 15, 2011, 6:58 a.m. CST

    JOHNATHANKANA -

    by john

    Take a powder! Any movie can be argued as racist if you dig deep enough. You go and invent the subtext, while the rest of us will enjoy the movie

  • June 15, 2011, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Time to go...

    by Jonathhan Kana

    So you can argue with me, you can take shots, but one thing none of you will do is argue me on the merits of the movie. You know why? Because you will lose every fuckin time. I know my shit. Yall dont. LOL yall probably dont even know who Bakke is. Go holla@ google, little kids.

  • June 15, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST

    hmmm johnathankana

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    you specific whites on this site simply dont know how to handle reality. so snobbish, WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE SNOBBISH ABOUT!

  • June 15, 2011, 7:04 a.m. CST

    lol

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    posting got fucked up ah well

  • June 15, 2011, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Im also most likely more privileged than any of you

    by Isaac R.

    That right there is likely a big part of your problem son. Your worldview is all fucked up cuz you've spent your whole life having shit handed to you instead of actually having to earn and make your own way. As far as education, if what you say is true, congratulations, you're very lucky to have had the opportunity. Just remember one thing....reading about shit and actually doing/ experiencing shit are two VERY different things my friend. Good Luck...

  • June 15, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Green Lantern Review Up At HitFix

    by Crow3711

    Not good.

  • June 15, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST

    johnathankana is a douche

    by alienindisguise

    What set are you on? There are no imdb credits with your name on them. Talk means nothing...boy.

  • June 15, 2011, 7:15 a.m. CST

    johnathankana

    by BookhouseBoy

    Say hello to Jettl93 when you get to the set!! He has'nt posted in ages..

  • June 15, 2011, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Best Line in Rocky....

    by cookylamoo

    Is when he comes home, beat to shit, starts feeding his turtles and says:"You know, if you guys could sing and dance, I wouldn't have to do this."

  • June 15, 2011, 7:22 a.m. CST

    waiting impatiently

    by JamesT

    for johnathankana's racist rant on deliverance..

  • June 15, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Re: racism

    by lochkray

    I actually find johnathankana's views on the movie quite interesting. But I there are a few flaws that I find in the logic. One is that the original script for Rocky, written by Stallone, had no boxing in it. None. It was about a down on his luck former boxer, who falls in love, and that was it. No boxing. So the potential underlying theme of of "white overcoming black" would have to be an add on, rather than the original intention of the story. Secondly, during the period that the movie was made, the heavyweight championship had been dominated by black sportsmen for years: Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Ellis, Spinks, Norton. If the character had been portrayed by a white man, it would have been far more conspicuous and racist, than have Apollo Creed be a black character. Lastly, Rocky didn't win the fight. He won the challenge. He lasted the 15 rounds, against his opponents superior skill. He didn't overcome Creed (and, by your theory, the black man) and knock him down - at least not in the first movie. He stood up to Creed to show that he was good enough. Please feel free to challenge my thinking, but I really don't see it as being a racist metaphor - either by the history of the film itself, or the content.

  • June 15, 2011, 7:25 a.m. CST

    See

    by lochkray

    I know my shit too.

  • June 15, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST

    lochkray

    by john

    Point - Winner!

  • June 15, 2011, 7:32 a.m. CST

    I don't know if calling Rocky racist is correct...

    by Righteous Brother

    but it is full of racial stereotyping, be they black, russian or italian american. I would also sat though that had Rocky fought against a white champ in the first film though it would have been considered more racist. Look, Sly Stallone is white, he wrote the character to be played by himself and held out so only he would play the part when the film was greenlit. However, Apollo is a great character, and he's not written or played as a 1 note villain, which lets face it he could have been. Anyway - I'm probably not making much sense, so I'm off to read the Green Lantern review.

  • June 15, 2011, 7:39 a.m. CST

    jonathankana

    by murray_hamilton

    you threw a hand grenade into this message board with the subject line "Rocky is racist white boy fantasy shit" which makes you sound like a racist. But just because you see racism in films like Rocky and Back to the Future doesn't necessarily make those films (or you) a racist. As a matter of fact you seem to be a fan of both of those films. Rocky isn't about racial strife in America; it's about taking your best shot in life, which is why the model works over and over again no matter what it's called (Rocky, Lean on Me, Stand and Deliver). It's about trying to imagine yourself as something better than what the world sees you as. Now Apollo Creed is a black man because that's an accurate depiction of the boxing world post Marciano. All the great (heavyweight) boxers since the 60's and up through today have been black. If the movie was based in the light and middleweight boxing world, the champ would probably be hispanic. But I digress. Apollo is a great character, but he isn't a caricature. He's a great fighter, a shrewd businessman and a man of great intelligence. He's everything that Rocky is not. And he picks Rocky. Not because he's a racist, but because he's smart. He knows that Apollo Creed vs. The Italian Stallion sounds like "a damn monster movie". If Apollo had been a white champ, the movie still might have worked, but it wouldn't have seemed as realistic. He had to be black because that was (and is) the reality of professional heavyweight boxing. And Rocky loses to him because he could never win that fight in real life. Ever. He might knock him down, he might even go the distance, but the champ is the champ for a reason. Rocky isn't about beating up the Big Black Boogeyman; it's about a bum with nothing to lose who takes his shot. That's a story for everyone, black or white.

  • June 15, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST

    johnathankana's skewed views

    by Adam Frederick

    While I understand you are promoting yourself as upper-middle crust of the Earth African American - there is one flaw with your logic - not all people are racially motivated like you. I, myself, am an American. Not a Irish-American or German-American or even Italian-American, I am an American. I was born here, grew up in the U.S. Virgin Island of St. Croix where I was one of only a few "white" people - but that didnt matter - for I was just a person. I spent my formitive years around every color, race, creed, religion there was - and no one batted one eye-lash at anyone differently. Didnt matter if you had ten million or ten cents - if you were nice, you were accepted. It wasnt until I came back to "the states" when I learned what true racism was - not the "N" word, not black on white (or white on black) crime...not Rodey or O.J. - true racism is seeing the color of a person's skin BEFORE you see the man (or woman). Johnathankana see's that color. "still see the bullshit racial flaws in it. the wink nod of a white boy creating rock n roll, not chuck berry" - how about it just being another human creating rock n roll. Rocky is racist because he fights a black man??? Does that make Lethal Weapon a film against all German's because a black man and a white man go after a German man? While I understand your opinion - you have to remember something - no matter how privilaged, no matter how many degrees, no matter how "well off" you are - if you still see people by the color of their skin first - that makes you the racist.

  • June 15, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Rock, you got anything derogatory to say about jonathankana

    by JamesT

    Yeah. He's great.

  • June 15, 2011, 7:54 a.m. CST

    "Rocky" as racist

    by Hipshot

    1) No, I don't think so. It would have been absurd to do this movie with him fighting a white champion. People most certainly would have screamed "racist" in THAT instance. "Where's the brother..?" 2) The film has, because of where we were (and to a degree are) as a country, racist connotations that have nothing to do with Stallone's writing. Based on a true incident where a minor boxer stood up to Ali, Stallone had every right to create "Rocky" as a wish fullfillment fantasy. That said: a) race has always been intertwined with sports. The "great white hope" idea in boxing made it crystal clear. If the World Heavyweight Championship was supposedly held by the most masculine man in the world, then it is inevitable that many whites felt uncomfortable about the title being held by a succession of black athletes--just as blacks celebrated when Jack Johnson took the title. People are what they are. b) Apollo Creed was clearly fashioned on Ali. Ali was seen by much of America as a loud-mouthed draft-dodging Christ rejector, and a LOT of people wanted to see him beaten, especially by a white man. c) Note the fictional boxing films. To my memory, all major ones have been about white men, despite the fact that boxing during most of that time was dominated by blacks. So this was purely about appealing to racial preferences in the audience. ## But none of that is quite "racist," really. It is tribalistic, the urge to cheer for "ours" as opposed to "theirs." In "Rocky III" man oh man, was Clubber Lang ever the archtype of the Bad Negro. If Apollo Creed hadn't been in Rocky's corner, they would SERIOUSLY have been accused of racism ## So my thought--no, Rocky isn't Racist. Yes, it took advantage of American white male hunger for a white Hero (I remember when the cover of Sports Illustrated was a picture of Stallone and Gerry Cooney side by side. Pretty bald, when Larry Holmes was the champion). But blacks would have reacted exactly the same way, if the positions were reversed. It's ugly stuff, but just part of being human. And my take on Stallone is that he's probably totally comfortable around black people, and has more identification with being Macho and Italian than specifically being White.

  • June 15, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Oh--and Adrock--

    by Hipshot

    Seeing the color of people's skin doesn't make you a racist. Ascribing differential worth to people based on their skin color is the definition of racism. Everybody sees the differences, despite rhetoric to the contrary. You might as well say "I don't see gender differences, so I'm not a sexist." You mean that you don't care, don't consider people better or worse based on skin color. That is believable. Saying "I don't notice" is absurd. You couldn't give a description of an accident victim that included race? Horseshit.

  • June 15, 2011, 8 a.m. CST

    @johnathankana

    by Quackfu

    Honestly you do make a very compelling analysis of Rocky. Absolutely. Considering the time frame, the change of the industry during the seventies, the rise of the rust belt, I can definitely see your perspective. However I must fall back to Freud: "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." A black man was cast for the part of Creed. Weathers was astounding in it. What if it were a hispanic? An asian? Another white man? Would that still be racist? Stallone did a great job on the flick. I don't think he was plumbing the lowest depths of the zeitgeist to make this a modern urban nightmare turned fantasy. I think he was just telling the story of the underdog who wanted to redeem himself. Sometimes a movie is just a movie.

  • June 15, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    This johnathankana

    by joliet_jake1978

    moron was obviously too busy studying to sit and watch Eddie Murphy: Raw. If he had he'd have seen Eddie beat him to this conclusion about 25 years ago!!! And at least that dude could see the funny side of it. Fuck me what an idiot...

  • June 15, 2011, 8:29 a.m. CST

    guys its not worth debating anymore....he's "on set" and no longer online

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    by now johnathankana is knee deep is a pile of cocks....white cocks. Because his project is a gangbang you see.....and it feat. all white guys. Hence his racist urge to post here.

  • June 15, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST

    beloved sly- plz send harry more awesome pec workout vids. thnx.

    by alice133

    and more glutes workout vids thnx.

  • June 15, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    johnathankana must be

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    genderblender's boyfriend. Sorry, sir, if my advances have been a little too untoward. Nah, just kidding. CHOPPED, muthafucka.

  • June 15, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Rocky II

    by PopCultureJunkie

    is better. What do you guys think? My order of favorites goes: 1. Rocky II 2. Rocky 3. Rocky IV 4. Rocky Balboa 5. Rocky III 6. Rocky V

  • June 15, 2011, 9:33 a.m. CST

    I found Apollo Creed likeable

    by Spandau Belly

    I actually thought it was one of the strengths of the film that they didn't go the cheap route. Most of these underdog movies give you an underdog you want to see rise, and a tyrant you want to see fall. In a more manipulative movie they would've made Creed a cheater or shown him doing steriods like they did with Dolph in ROCKY 4. But I never disliked Creed. I wanted to see Rocky succeed because I liked him, but I never really wanted to see Creed fail. I thought Creed was presented as wanting a real challenge. That he had beaten all the big name fighters and grown lazy from lack of challenge and so the prospect of an unknown excited him. Sure, he's cocky and showboaty, but I never found him unlikeable.

  • June 15, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    I'm sure jonathankana is probably white....uh right..

    by Tacom

  • The only thing I will add is remember that Rocky was inspired by Chuck Wepner who lasted 15 rounds with Ali before getting knocked out right before the end of the fight...Chuck was not given a shot in the dark to remotely last that long. There have been racist movies in the past....or ones with bad sterotypes..but the truly racist movies were movies of a long time ago and era bygone. I think your looking way too deep into this movie brother and I'm black btw.

  • I understand that its a movie and I dont expect the fights to be portrayed just like the sweet science and you want to create sensationalism for the viewer but can u give me a touch of realism?? The aspects it portrays of blocking, jabbing, power punches, dodging etcc or lack thereof in some cases I should say is ridiculous. I just smh when I watch the end fight lol.

  • June 15, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Damn. I was expecting Thor.

    by v3d

  • At least for a week or two. I look forward to it.

  • June 15, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST

    jonathankana and ogmios_the_eloquent

    by Tim Hendon

    Both make interesting points I had not thought of before. To everyone who is responding with personal and emotionally based attacks, I am not sure why you are getting so upset over an interesting perspective on a classic film. It should be something that could be discussed rationally, even if you think the point does not make sense. Kana's argument is solid and based on his interpretation of the facts in the film. So is ogmios's interpretation. But to respond so emotionally to me makes me feel embarrassed. Seriously folks, how is America ever going to survive if we can't talk to one another rationally? If you think kana is wrong how about mking some counter points to the argument instead of resorting to stereotypes and personal attacks? You know that is what people do when they can't form a cogent thought? I like to think that all of you are better than that. Thanks and peace.

  • June 15, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Speaking of the steadicam...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    ...there's a great interview with the steadicam's inventor, Garrett Brown, on the new Blu-Ray of Brian De Palma's Blow Out.

  • June 15, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Rocky isn't racist

    by BlueLando

    It's an awesome film. Now a superhero punching a chicken (as shown in this webcomic - http://tinyurl.com/6duppk7 ) is also awesome, but nothing tops Rocky for sheer awesome.

  • June 15, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    remember Chuck Wepner....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    If he never had a fight with Ali we would not be having this discussion. <p> Stallone got his inspiration for Rocky from that bout. <p> Underdog vs. an Icon. <p> JUST LIKE THE REAL FIGHT, Rocky did not win. <p> The original was a great fictional Philadelphia tale about making the most of an opportunity and never giving up, that's still awesome to this day. <p> We would probably be looking at a behind the scene pick of Death Race 2000 part 2, IF Stallone never wrote Rocky. <p> You wanna talk racist, don't get me started with George Lucas, There were only two black people in the entire star wars trilogy...Lando Calrissian and Jar Jar Binks.

  • created and filmed the scene where Marty plays a Chuck Berry song because of racist motivations?

  • June 15, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Creed: "I'm going to teach you to fight like a Black Man."

    by cookylamoo

    Like, what does that mean?

  • June 15, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    @ johnathankana

    by DonnyUnitas

    What's a nubian?

  • June 15, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Get your words out of here, you dumb dirty ape!

    by BIG_BAD_WOLF_IN_CAPS

    Oh, I thought this was a different thread. Anyhow, johnathankana sounds like the typical negro drop out that sells meth and beats his fat girlfriend and pulls out her weave.

  • June 15, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    donnyunitas

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    funniest shit in Chasing Amy... Some of Kevin Smith's best material.

  • June 15, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    theycallmemrtibbs

    by DonnyUnitas

    Yep. And this kid johnathankana sounds exactly like Hooper.

  • June 15, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    The Downfall of Tiger Woods wasnt an opponent on the putting green

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    But the WHITE WOMAN.....

  • johnathankana, oh, johnathankana .... All you did by coming on this board and trolling is prove that YOU are the racist. If you believe in something strongly enough, it colors (pun intended) your world view of everything you see. You start seeing hatred, racism, anger, pink elephants, whatever it is that YOU are thinking about... everywhere you go. By coming up with some ludicrous rant against "Rocky", johnathankana, seeing racism that isn't there, all you did was prove what a racist you are.

  • June 15, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST

    WHERE ALL THE WHITE WIMMEN AT?

    by theycallmemrtibbs

  • June 15, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    johnathankana

    by Juggernaut125

    <p>Just wanted to let you know that there are some people who come to this site who appreciate your view point. Not as trolling. Not to incite hatred. But rather as a new way of viewing a beloved film in a manner that most people may not have recognized before. I certainly had not until you brought it up.</p> <p>Although I might argue the 'lazy and shiftless' depiction of Rocky, the rest of your description of the events are all very much there (in black and white).</p> <p>However, does this categorically mean that Rocky,the character is racist? Or even that the movie is intentionally racially motivated? I don't believe it is. It is definitely a reflection of the world of the 70s where racism was prevalent. Athletes, boxers in particular, WERE predominantly black. Specifically the champions. So the main antagonist would need to be black (and loud and obnoxious and arrogant) in order to be more identifiable.) But I'm wondering if the movie would've been as well received if Rocky were portrayed as a black boxer as well. If Rocky, Adrian and Paulie were all black would the movie have had the same impact on the world as it did? Critically, it probably would have, because it IS a great story about overcoming your fears and reaching for the stars. Doing your best and trying your hardest. But I don't think it would have been as iconically appreciated as it is today. BECAUSE of the time it came out. BECAUSE of the black versus white mentality that was going on around the country back then. If it were two black guys fighting, fewer people would have seen it and the larger racist population would have avoided it and it wouldn't have had as big an impact. Regardless of how good the movie was.</p> <p>Nowadays, looking back, I (and I don't think I'm alone here) subconciously skew my thinking to not be racially biased. "I'm not racist, I don't see colour..." But I'm also not a fool and only a fool cannot see that society today has significantly changed from the way it was 35 years ago.</p>

  • Are you one of those black guys who makes a living in porn boning unsatisfied white housewives?

  • June 15, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Eddie Murphy said it best in "Raw"

    by masteryoda007

    All right, Sly!

  • June 15, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Definitely The Pre-Steroid Physique

    by kevinwillis.net

    These days, Stallone looks like he oughta be playing Bane. Or the Hulk. Just paint him green! A wall of chemically-generate muscle.

  • June 15, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Is Johnathankana really Hooper from Chasing Amy?

    by Dr Gregory House

    What's a Nubian?

  • June 15, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I can see the point johnathankana trying to make....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    But Rocky? C'MON MAN! <p> True Apollo Creed was an arrogant mofo and he trash talked his opponent but he only did that to sell the fights. <p> Remember the way the films respectfully portrayed Apollo away from the action. he was strategic, he was always in council with his corner and he was loving toward his wife <p> The same could be said about Clubber Lang...He was focused...always in the gym, training working his ass off to keep that insane edge he had sharpened. Drago however was the fucking Terminator. <p> Rocky was like these guys before he became champ, Working out with Mick, beating the shit outta racks of beef and molesting an obviously Shy and uncomfortable Adrien (I'M NOT JUDGING!!!) <p> ....But let's not forget what Rocky turned into when he finally became champion, he was far worst! <p> Appearances on The Muppet Show? Taylor made suits, fucking Robots? When Lang gotta a hold of the ass , it was a well deserved beat down. <p> I guess the point I'm trying to make is For me... <p> I cant speak for any one else here in this talkback... <p> The Rocky series was full of so many life lessons, from adapting, growing older, the price you pay for being arrogant, love for the sport, love for a woman, facing and over coming fear even the use of Steroids. Racism was the farthest from my mind watching these movies...Pure Escapism! <p> Back then as well as now, in my mind, Muhammed ALI WAS AND STILL IS THE CHAMP! <p> Amazingly enough, Ali's life in the ring is sprinkled all over this franchise. <p> Sill, EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THERE OPINIONS

  • I think johnathankana is confusing interpretation with intent. It's a somewhat unique interpretation of the film's subtext, but those opinions are in no way proof of the film-makers' intent.

  • June 15, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Dear God --

    by MooseMalloy

    -- can you please come down from heaven and kill off all White and Black people. Thanks.

  • June 15, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    Seriously?

    by kainsreign

    So then I guess any film that portrays a black boxer beating a boxer of a diffrent race would also be racist then as well?

  • June 15, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Actually.....

    by kainsreign

    If johnathankana was as "knowledgable"as he says he is about the Rocky film then he would know that it was Chuck Wepner and his bout against Ali that inspired the "underdog"story so unless the boxing match that the film was inspired by was some how also "racial propaganda"then I don't get the "hidden agenda."Only a racist person would try to read racism into something where there is none.Rocky also fought otherwhite boxers during the course of the film too,so are we to consider that "white on white"racism then?LoL,what a joke.

  • June 15, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    ... *sigh*... guess I'll head back to "The Undefeated" TB...

    by WriteForTheEdit

  • June 15, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Great pics.....

    by kainsreign

    The pics are great and Rocky is one of the most inspirational american films ever.A story of a simple man that comes from nothing and achieves greatness through sheer will and heart.A true underdog story.

  • June 15, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    JonathonKana: I kinda have to agree with ya...

    by Monroville

    It's funny seeing so many people get their panties bunched up because JK makes a point that has some validity. <p> Granted, maybe he didn't have to be such as ass about it, but to say that ROCKY is "not" racist when the elements ARE clearly there... well, I'm just sayin'. <p> Granted, JK does say that it is a well-made movie. A VERY well made movie (duh, it's ROCKY!)... and you could say that's what makes it so brilliant and devious simultaneously. RighteousBrother and GhostofMurrayHamilton are spot on too when they say that Apollo Creed could have been a one-note villain, and instead he is his own man. Keep in mind though, that just because the "enemy" is portrayed as a human being (even just as human as the hero) doesn't mean that certain subconcious elements AREN'T present (such as fear of race or creed... hey, I made a funny!). <p> I guess in the end you can say ROCKY is racist (in a way), but so what? This could be just as much "the Rich versus the Poor" or "Democrat versus Republican" as "Black versus White" (or Spy vs. Spy). I wouldn't say ROCKY goes as far as ALIEN did (which covers all the bases: men versus women, "modern" tech versus ancient, creator versus creation, blue collar versus white...), but it works so well because of character (the fact that both sides actually have it) and tried-and-true storytelling devices of playing on fears of something completely alien to ourselves. <p> One reason as to who has to be a villain in the ROCKY movies (and why it has to be a black, hispanic, asian or a non-american [ie. foreign] man) may simply be to tell who is who. A white man versus a white man isn't enough, short of the white man being a James Bond villain [ie Drago, who WAS white, but may as well have been a Nazi super soldier or a JB chief henchman. Now who wouldn't want to see an American beat the crap out of a Nazi (or in this case, Soviet/Communist) poster boy?]. So maybe it's not racist so much as childish or primordial, in how right off the bat we can distinguish who is the hero and who is the villain. <p> Of course it's no surprise that the best ROCKYs are the ones with the best written characters. The moment they DO become one-note, they become propaganda (ROCKY IV) or just plain boring (ROCKY V). <p> But to quote a more illustrious asshole, that's just me... I could be wrong.

  • June 15, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Big Jim: agree also with intent vs. interpretation

    by Monroville

    But that's what makes this site so much fun, isn't it?

  • June 15, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    IMAGINE THE UPROAR IF ROCKY DIDN'T FIGHT A BLACK GUY

    by BSB

    Some people are born to bitch.

  • June 15, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    ROCKY 4 WAS UNABASHED PROPAGANDA, SURE

    by BSB

    It was a product of its time. But it was also pivotal in bringing about the end of the cold war, and thus Sly potentially saved hundreds of millions, if not billions, of lives. How many movies can make that claim?

  • June 15, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    johnathankana

    by dagwood

    Put as much energy into your life as you do your posts and you might amount to something. Otherwise, not so much.

  • June 15, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    GREAT PICS BY THE WAY

    by BSB

    Haven't watched Rocky in a while but if memory serves it has the best (most realistic) exchange of punches in the series. Definitely stands on its own as a real, great 'film'.

  • One man's idle speculation is another's unshakeable ideology

  • June 15, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Mr. T was awesome in III.

    by Bartleby T. Scrivener

    Dead meat!

  • June 15, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL BIEHN INTERVIEW!

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    otherwise i'm going to have to freeze myself until it comes out and that has never ended well

  • June 15, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    "Racist"? What a dumbass.

    by BizarroJerry

    Stallone supposedly based this story on a "nobody" white boxer who fought Ali once and impressively hung in there with him. Ali happens to be black and the other guy happens to be white. Obviously, Apollo is somewhat based on him. Plus, honestly, many of the better fighters at that time were black. Also, does it matter at all that Rocky didn't even beat Apollo? Apollo won that fight. Rocky didn't beat the evil black man, and in the end, the evil black man even says, "no rematch", now respecting Rocky. Then later in the series, they're like best friends. Yeah, what a horrible racist fantasy! There are some people who watch something and notice the race of two characters, then presume that if the black guy isn't the hero, then it MUST be racist. And if you suggest their race has nothing to do with it, the answer is usually, "Oh, you're being naive, stop pretending there's no such thing as racism, etc, etc." Rocky was a wonderful, unexpected movie that Stallone worked hard to get it into Hollywood without compromising by just selling the thing off and walking away.

  • June 15, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST

    johnathankana, That's an interesting viewpoint you have there.

    by vroom socko

    No, I'm not joking. I think it's perfectly valid to examine ROCKY with this sort of mindset. People shouldn't dismiss a racial reading of the movie just because they disagree with what you're saying. The problem, of course, is that the movie doesn't bear out your interpretation in the slightest. You say that the underlying thrust of the movie is that a "lazy shiftless uneducated working class white stiff with a heart of gold gets to confront who is taking all the jobs: the growing horror of the day - the powerful, aggressive, loud mouthed, arrogant, rich, fast talking BLACK ATHLETE." Your words. The problem there is the first two you used, lazy and shiftless. Shiftless is boarderline, since Rocky is a legbreaker for a loan shark in the beginning, but you're going to say that a movie memorable for it's training montages is about a man who's lazy? There's also your comment about "In our film, Rocky gets surprised when he finds out he lost his locker...and who took it but a smug, young, black guy. The message was clear in the beginning. The older whites were being phased out for what the establishment deemed was the better version, the younger, more talented black." Who's the establishment in this statement? I hope you meant this as a refelction on the movie, not real life. Or do you honestly think that boxers like Joe Frazier, George Foreman, and Muhammad Ali made it to the top not becuase of talent, but because the white businessmen behind boxing wanted it that way? Again, your words... The largest refutation of your theory, however, is the actual plot of the movie itself. When was the last time you watched ROCKY? If it's been a while, let me remind you of one simple fact: Rocky doesn't win. He doesn't think he's going to win. By the ending, he doesn't even CARE if he wins. Remember, Rocky gets the fight of a lifetime because Apollo picked his name out of a hat. Nobody thinks he even DESERVES a title shot. THAT is what the movie is about. It's about an average guy who's given a chance, then busts his ass to make the most of it. Someone who just wants to go the full 15 rounds, to prove to the world and himself that he deserves this opportunity. It's a movie based not on racism, but on discovering and building up your own sense of self-worth. Now, are there racial elements in this movie? Yes. Apollo does pick Rocky because he likes his Italian Stallion nickname, after all. Apollo's desicion is racially motivated. This doesn't mean that the movie is as well, but that element is there. Sorry that the whole "ROCKY is a racist film" idea is only there because that's what you want to see, but if it's any consolation your remarks did force me to think introspectively about one of Stallone's best movies, and that's never a bad thing.

  • June 15, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Sorry about the multiple posts.

    by vroom socko

    Are the TB's ever going to work properly for longer than five seconds?

  • Sorry bro, happy for you to be livin' your dream job, but I'm in the other 10%, absolutely no aspirations of being a 'fluffer' on a gay porno shoot! Also, didn't know that 'on set', in your professions parlance, means knobgobbling! So thanks for that. Nice to see that all your education isn't going to waste!

  • June 15, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST

    what was racist about rocky???

    by Norman Colson

    apollo and balboa became the best of friends. there have been plenty of white boxing champions.... nothing racist about it...

  • June 15, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Still one of the best performances in modern cinema

    by proevad

    and I still think it's a better film than Raging Bull. Was never a huge Stallone fan, but the man wrote a perfect movie and was amazingly good as Rocky.