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Jon Favreau and Robert Downey Jr. talk Iron Man 1, 2 and 3, The Avengers, Cowboys and Aliens and more at the Hero Complex Fest!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here playing some catch-up with The Hero Complex Festival coverage. I’m going to double back to Star Trek and Superman shortly, but I have to talk about the big events of tonight’s screening of Iron Man 1 and 2.

I didn’t really have a new opinion of either film and both are so recent that you’ll forgive me if I don’t dive into a big review of the Iron Man series so far. Iron Man 1 is still the best Marvel film, hands down… it has a charm, pace, wow-factor and overall fun feeling that feels effortless. The second film doesn’t feel as effortless, unfortunately, but I found a lot of my nitpicks about the movie move back into my mind while watching. It’s an easy flick to watch and only starts falling apart for me when I think about it. But damnit, I like Downey as Tony Stark too much to completely write it off.

Now, Jon Favreau was announced as being there for a Q&A, but as is usual with Favreau there was some trickery. About 8 minutes into the Q&A Favreau and Geoff Boucher begin talking about Downey and just how much he brought to the role. Favreau trails off and says why not give Downey a call? He’s filming The Avengers in New Mexico.

I think the idea was for Downey’s phone to go off in the crowd, but the signal in the theater was weak, so after a few moments of Favreau trying to call through, Downey calls out from the theater entrance, “Why call me? I’m already here!” to much cheering, of course.

Their chat covers some great stuff, including some stuff on The Avengers (Downey was sporting his Tony Stark goatee as you’ll see in the pics below), Iron Man 3, Magic Kingdom and some funny stuff about the making of Iron Man 1 and 2. I’ve highlighted my favorite bits from the talk and included them below! Enjoy!

 

 

- Important Avengers news from Robert Downey Jr.: Marvel Studios head honcho Kevin Feige is driving a brand new Jaguar. It’s in the shop because it has a scratch on it.

- “Going into The Avengers and Iron Man 3, what I keep coming back to is (Stark) is someone who grew up with this wonder of science and what it could do. As interests change, I think it’s really important that Tony’s interest is redirected to what saved his ass to begin with; is that he’s someone who is a tinkerer and he just happens to have a pretty great budget. He’s deeply interested in it because he likes the idea of being a worker amongst workers, he loves the idea of fixing things and building things and being able to improve them.”

”So, the bigger the ideas get and the budgets and the sequences get the more I think, and I kind of learned this from Jon, that you just kind of want to go back to those simple truths that help keep it grounded so that no matter how wild it gets, things still make sense.” – Robert Downey Jr.

- How’s The Avengers shaping up? Downey: “I hate everybody. I’m not talking about the cast and I’m not talking about Joss. What I mean is I tend, and Jon can probably attest to this, I tend to look at a scene and say, ‘This is absolutely impossible, we can’t shoot this. This is horrible. I can tell you 10 other movies this has been in and I refuse to do it.’ I usually start off the morning by refusing to do what I’ve signed on to do.”

”Anyway, I just went, ‘How are you going to put all of us clowns together? He’s wearing a suit, he’s all jacked up, he’s so-and-so and, ahh, poor Mark Ruffalo… what’s he gonna fuckin’ do to us?’ And we’re about 6 weeks in and I gotta say Joss Whedon is nailing it. He’s so smart and he’s so good and it’s going to be great. I can’t believe I just said it, I never could have believed it. It’s going to be great.”

- “The most difficult part of making Iron Man 3 is going to be negotiating Jon Favreau’s acting deal.” – Robert Downey Jr.

- “If Happy Hogan doesn’t turn into The Freak, I’m not doin’ it! I want a love scene with Pepper Potts with my shirt on and I want to be The Freak.” – Jon Favreau

- “Negotiations have begun and so far I’m in agreement on every point.” – Robert Downey Jr.

- Regarding Shane Black doing Iron Man 3… when they were making the first movie they were stuck on a few things and Downey suggested asking Shane for some advice. Downey told Shane they couldn’t pay him and he said, “Bring me some salmon. Bring me some blueberries.” Favreau and Downey went to Shane’s and their talks came in handy and really shaped some of the scenes in the movie (Downey didn’t say which ones). Now that Shane is doing Iron Man 3, as he gets deeper into the process, he’s not asking “When can we go talk to Jon?” So, Favreau will consult with Black on the shaping of this new movie as much as Black needs him to.

- “If you want to get nominated for an Oscar, work with me and on your next movie you’ll get nominated. I’m the guy who sets it up. I am the Scottie Pippen of directors.” – Jon Favreau. Downey was nominated for Tropic Thunder after Iron Man and Jeff Bridges for Crazy Heart.

- Favreau began the chat talking about the end credits scene to the first Iron Man (which he just watched with us, the Q&A resting between Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 2). He noted it was funny because all the little easter eggs in the movie were kind of afterthoughts, which is a stark difference from the Marvel films of today, where every little nod is there for a reason. The Cap shield was put in by their digital team at ILM as a lark and the Nick Fury post-credits scene was more because they thought it’d be cool and funny to bring in Sam Jackson, since the Ultimates Nick Fury was based on him.

Now all that has become movie canon and influenced the path that the Marvel Studios films have taken.

- Edgar Wright (who was in the crowd) was the man responsible for the Nick Fury scene being at the very end of the credits. Originally Favreau had it come up 30 seconds into the credits, but Wright was one of the first to see it and said it has to be put at the end of the credits… if any fans didn’t stick around until the end then they didn’t deserve the treat!

- “We were so secretive about Sam being in it and the next day, Ain’t It Cool News had it up. He came in on a weekend, in a limo, it was a small crew… I don’t know how it got out.” Mwahahaha.

- Favreau drove past the Santa Monica pier on the way home and that’s how he got the idea of having Iron Man fly past it. “If I could fly, that’s where I would fly.”

- They wanted the ending of Iron Man 2 to take place at Disneyland, but knew that couldn’t happen, so that’s how the idea of doing it in New York and having a World’s Fair came into play.

- The complex Iron Man and Pepper land on at the end of Iron Man 2 was Favreau’s place as a kid, the Fairview.

- Downey fought for the role of Tony Stark, but the studio didn’t want him because he was an unproven commodity when it came to this kind of tentpole picture. He had to screen test for it and did the movie “for a song.”

- Downey coming on-board changed the whole picture, especially the humorous tone, and his involvement attracted Gwyneth Paltrow and Jeff Bridges.

- Favreau felt that the more grounded in reality the first movie was, the more he could contribute to it. He basically felt that the universe of the movie was our universe with only one addition: The Stark family and their contributions.

 

 

- There was a certain amount of pressure on Iron Man… if they fucked it up, the whole studio went away! Downey adds, “Yeah, but that wasn’t our pressure.”

- “We had the ‘I Am Iron Man’ ending, which seemed like such a great idea, and it was, and then we had to make a whole second movie that takes that into account,” said Favreau. Downey adds, “Your problem.”

- For the sequel, Favreau thought the parallel between Tony Stark and Howard Hughes was interesting, which led to the the subplot about the government trying to take away his tech. That felt like the old Hughes trials.

- “(Favreau) was like, ‘I see Tony in the Iron Man suit inside the circle of Randy’s Donuts and he’s hungover.’ I was like, ‘that’s great, that’s great’. Then I had to climb up there… with this suit, which is not easy to move around in.” - RDJ

- The Randy’s Donuts scene between Nick Fury and Tony Stark was originally supposed to be in SHIELD HQ, but Favreau felt a lot of the reality slipping away as the movie had to service more comic-booky things, like setting up Fury, so he did anything he could to ground the film in reality. That’s why he moved that sequence to a grimy Donut shop table instead of a glass and steel building and why he set the scene more about a guy who fell of the wagon meeting his sponsor the morning after a binge.

- Favreau was more into D&D, Star Wars and Spielberg movies as a kid than comic books. Downey grew up reading Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers.

- Regarding the Demon in the Bottle storyline: there was a “sensitivity” about having Stark being too involved with alcohol in Iron Man 2. Downey butted in with “We should have gone further.” There was a lot of pressure from the studio, though. They didn’t want to see Tony drinking much in the movie. “Say it was his illness that made him act that way,” is the note, but Favreau still had him drinking in the movie, so that kids might think “Oh, he’s sick” and adults might think, “Oh, he’s hammered!”

- “On the first Iron Man I just had two notes. One was look taller and be in better shape and look cooler than you actually are.” - RDJ

- Downey feels it’s odd doing The Avengers, playing Tony Stark, without Favreau, but he remembers where he started and says in a weird way this feels like graduating high school.

- Downey said he was a little envious of Favreau “tripping with Danny (Craig) and Harrison (you know) right now out there in the desert.” Boucher added, “And Olivia Wilde.” Downey responded, “I’m happily married. Who’s Olivia Wilde?”

- Favreau showed what was essentially a 9 minute trailer for Cowboys and Aliens and both he and Downey watched it with the crowd. Afterwards, Downey said, “that looks badass!”

- Favreau pulls out his phone and Downey says, “I’m sorry, did you need a moment to Twitter?” Favreau responds, “I’m just seeing if it’s online yet.”

- Comic-Con attendees: Favreau dropped some serious hints about a screening of Cowboys and Aliens in San Diego. “Comic-Con is a week before this comes out. I can’t really say anything officially, but if you’re a fan and you like this kind of thing you might want to be in San Diego.”

- Are there any story elements or plots that Favreau and Downey wanted to put in either movie that was nixed by the higher ups? Favreau enthusiastically said, “Oh, sure!” and then described their original idea to open Iron Man 2. “We wanted to open up Iron man 2 with Tony waking up, looking over and seeing that he just slept with Pepper Potts and just being really freaked out,” said Favreau.

- From Downey: “There was another one that we shot which is (me), like, over the Marvel logo going, “Pepper… I’m dying.” “Tony, no-no-no, we have to go.” “I’m not going to make it,” and we cut to a transport, like a C-17 or something and he’s puking into a toilet too hungover to do the mission. That was an awesome opening. Why did you cut it!?!”

- Favreau stressed that while they still had some creative freedom on the sequel the studio “now had something to protect.” There was the Avengers agenda, the Tony Stark agenda and there was the Hulk ending…” Downey interrupts with a dramatic tone in his voice “We’re putting a team together… even though Nick Fury is going to tell me he doesn’t want me to be on the team.”

- Favreau asked Downey how Sherlock 2 was coming along and then Downey proceeded to act out a joke version, dropping into his Sherlock voice. “Scene One: ‘This is an impossible crime scene! My Lord, nothing fits together… trust that it will! Let’s go kick the ass of men who normally could take me. I’m going to slow it all down, I’m going to pick them apart, find out their weaknesses…’”

- Favreau on Magic Kingdom. Favreau is fascinated how Disney movies and characters connects everybody from multiple generations, going back to great grandparents. Everybody has felt the same emotions, watching the same movies, going back 70+ years. With the movie he wants to hit a tone that is reverential, but not overly so. He cited Pixar at being masters of striking that balance.

- Favreau has gone on an after hours tour of Disneyland and I’m exceedingly jealous. He was hanging with the Imagineering people, went to Walt’s apartment (preserved as it was when Walt still used it) that overlooks the park, walked through Pirates of the Caribbean and The Haunted Mansion… The bastard.

 

 

Regarding that 9 minutes of Cowboys and Aliens, I won’t go too in-depth because a lot of it was what was in that first reel that has been reported over and over again. But I will say that some of the new footage, from later in the movie, was creepier than I expected. There was a sequence in an alien ship (mothership?) with Daniel Craig and a bunch of the aliens swarming through a tunnel and it reminded me a whole, whole, whole lot of James Cameron’s Aliens. The hallway itself looked a bit like Ridley Scott’s Alien, but the way the aliens swarmed through, some running along the ceiling in a quadrupedal manner was totally striking that Aliens chord.

It was a very fun Q&A. Hope you guys dug the rundown. Stay tuned for my catch-up articles on the Q&As from Richard Donner on Superman, Nicholas Meyer on Wrath of Khan and Lindeloff, Orci and Kurtzman on Star Trek!

-Quint
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  • June 13, 2011, 6:27 a.m. CST

    I think a brit would do a better Tony Stark...

    by UltraMeerkat

    ...they do do good US Super Heroes, better than US actors, in fact p.s. first

  • June 13, 2011, 6:27 a.m. CST

    first first first mc first

    by UltraMeerkat

    see above

  • June 13, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    good shit

    by Waka_Flocka

    everything seems to be coming along nicely

  • June 13, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Nice to read RDJ pointing out the inconsistencies.

    by the new transported man

    Also yeah, that opening for IM2 sounds great.

  • June 13, 2011, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Avengers 5: Charlie Sheen as Stark, Mel Gibson as Banner/Hulk

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Harry Knowles as MODOK.

  • No, but he does want you on as a consultant. That's why you go to Thunderbolt at the end of Hulk and say "we're putting a team together" not "I'm joining a team".

  • June 13, 2011, 7:15 a.m. CST

    I thought everyone had seen the IM2 "puking" intro by now

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    If you haven't, here it is: http://tinyurl.com/6l5ro29

  • June 13, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Good talk but Iron Man 2 kinda sucked

    by the_rising

    We all know it did. Now we have to watch CAP AMERICA in fake shit ass dark converted 3D after having to endure THOR the same way. Fuck balls.

  • June 13, 2011, 7:46 a.m. CST

    That would've been a great opening!

    by Righteous Brother

    Never even knew existed.

  • June 13, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST

    The Drunken/Puking IM2 Intro Was Online at One Point

    by Crow3711

    I've seen it. And it's awesome. It's basically the same as the one they used, you can even tell that they were sort of hinting at it in the theatrical version, but they cut every single edgy moment out, and what a total puss out. I rememeber being pissed off they wussed out so hardcore just in the first 3 minutes of the movie, that I knew the whole thing was going to be a let down. And guess what?! IM2 sucked huge balls and felt totally compromised and pointless the entire time. I swear, that movie must have butchered in editing. Watered down as much as possible to satisfy the moms who saw the first one. So lame. So so so so lame.

  • June 13, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Ιn the digital edge of 2011 is it so fucking hard to

    by KilliK

    accompany your article with some visual content aka video recording of the presentation? provided ofc something like that is not forbidden by the organizers of the event.

  • June 13, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST

    this was a nice read, bring on th Avengers

    by BikoQue

  • June 13, 2011, 8:09 a.m. CST

    I need my BTSPOD fix QUINT!!!!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Feed ME!

  • June 13, 2011, 8:35 a.m. CST

    You can tell Downey thinks the Avengers is going to suck

    by Bobo_Vision

    At the end of his answer, he gives the obligatory "it's gonna be great" but he still adds a bit of honesty and says he can't believe he just said that. Downey knows it's gonna suck but he's obligated to be in the film and promote it.

  • June 13, 2011, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Any IM 2 discussion should include at least an hour of apologies

    by -Halfscan-

    Everything they got right in IM1 they got horribly, horribly wrong in IM2.

  • June 13, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST

    bobo_vision

    by my liege

    OR he thinks it WILL be great and can't believe that he's actually saying that because of all the cynics like yourself.

  • June 13, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    IM2 butchered in editing. Exhibit A: Mickey Rourke's disappearing legs! Someone ask Fat Fav about Mickey's legs?!

  • June 13, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Quint, they revealed the aliens from COWBOYS & ALIENS? What did they look like? Cool and creepy or your typical CGI shitfest?

  • June 13, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Sounds like Favreau is half apologizing

    by Bass Ackwards

    Talking about having to make themovie with studio notes and constraints and dealing with the studio's franchise agenda rather than a story he wanted to tell. Or maybe I'm reading into it.

  • June 13, 2011, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Jon Favreau is a useless fucking hack!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    How the fuck does that guy do movies?

  • June 13, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST

    I see Fav gained his fat back

    by KilliK

    he was thin in IM2

  • June 13, 2011, 9:13 a.m. CST

    So the whole sickness subplot...

    by Argentino

    was just a PG13 replacement for alcoholism? Well, I guess funs can't forget about Demon in a Bottle ever making it to one of this movies

  • June 13, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    @bobo_vision: that's not what I get at all

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    In the video it sounds more like he didn't believe it could work, but to his surprise it's shaping up nicely. RDJ has always been very vocal about how he don't see how the Avengers can work (long before Joss or anyone was attached) and went on and on about the "realism" of Iron Man... He has now changed his tune, I guess that's probably in his contract anyway. Personally I couldn't be happier if the "realism" trend in superhero movies becomes a thing of the past. If I wan't realism (which is a stupid claim anyway) I watch another type of movie.

  • June 13, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "The Cap shield was put in by their digital team at ILM as a lark" Now we know how Jar Jar came to be created!

  • June 13, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    “for a song”= High 6 figures and some Gross points..

    by conspiracy

    or in other words more fucking money than any of us will ever fucking see in our lifetimes. RDJ probably sits at home looking at his ever expanding bank account and thinks..."I picked a hell of a time to quit recreational drugs."

  • June 13, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Nice wrap-up piece

    by DadTimesTwo

  • June 13, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Cowboys and Aliens trailers

    by Judge Briggs

    Gave so MUCH away ... SO much.

  • June 13, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    This is the best thing I've read on AICN in an age

    by eveelcapitalist

    Really fucking good. Thanks, Quint! And to King Carl up there, dude, Harry would be the SHIT as MODOK! Someone fucking fund that shit!

  • June 13, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST

    The problem with Hollywood is that confuses realism

    by KilliK

    plausibility aka Verisimilitude. I dont care if the Iron Man suit can exist in real life.I only care to believe that it can exist in the movie's fantasy world.

  • June 13, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST

    A Q&A on Star Trek?

    by photoboy

    Excellent! Another chance for me to complain about the plot holes! ;)

  • June 13, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    No Faith In Iron Man 3

    by DeckardB26354

    Given the fact that Iron Man 2 is completely unwatchable, I have no faith in IM 3 whatsoever.

  • June 13, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Should've stopped at Iron Man 1,

    by DonkeyBalls

    Iron Man 1 was a surprise. A comic nobody ever heard of with an actor not known for being tough, but rather strung out on drugs. They lucked out and it made some money. It should have stopped right there. Who the hell even wants to see an Avengers movie? It's like the c-list comic all-stars. I'd rather watch a movie with Spiderman, Firestorm, and that Ice Dude before an Avengers with half of the characters from like obscure comic books in the 40's and 50's.

  • June 13, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one...

    by Sanyi

    Am I the only who thinks IM2 is actually on par with the first movie? IM2 is fuckin' great imho

  • June 13, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    junkie08

    by Aaron

    No you are not. I loved it as well.

  • June 13, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Sounds like the typical studio interference fucked up IM2

    by smudgewhat

    They neutered the character a bit to make it more kids friendly or neutral? But the appeal of IM1 is that he's a womanizing egotist who manages to do the right thing. IM2 was flat. And despite my excitement for Mickey Rourke I felt no real menace from him whatsoever. At half the size Heath was way more dangerous as Joker.

  • June 13, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Wow you guys are harsh! IM2 was good stuff!

    by sweeneydave

    Not as good as part 1. Got kinda bored with the whole "discovering a new element" subplot, but Sam Rockwell was amazing (better than Roarke). Cheadle was a better Rhody. Starks court trials, and super hero fame was great stuff. Agent Coulson was great. There was little that I was upset with.

  • June 13, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    IM2 had RDJ, Mickey Rourke, and ScarJo in a tight suit

    by thelordofhell

    I still can't believe people say it sucked

  • If Favreu can't see how arcane powers, or in Mandarins case super arcane-esque alien tech, is the perfect way to elevate the story then perhaps it's best he moved on. The last thing the series needs is Tony fighting another robot/technology maker. This series has so far yet to have a compelling villain, and The Mandarin, who is the opposite of Tony in world view, powers, ideology, could fit that bill brilliantly if done correctly. Not only would it give the film more interesting peripheral characters, but watching Tony deal with the fact that the game is irrevocably changed, that he will now has a responsibility to be Iron Man forever, and that with a new brand of heroes a new brand of threats has sprang forth and they're not going anywhere, is a great way to chart Tony's transformation into who he is going to be down the line. It also give the writer an opportunity to use this is a metaphor for Americas new place in a rapidly changing world. Moreover, I say the climax could easily involve Fin Fang FOom, one of the coolest movie monsters, and audiences wouldn't bat an eye. We've certainly never seen anything like him on screen before.

  • June 13, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    industrykiller!, why does Mandarin's rings have to be arcane

    by Continentalop

    Or even alien? The key thing about the Mandarin isn't the origin of his rings but that he is a villain with 10 rings that do different things, and that is goal is to go back to back to a more feudal China with him as the ruler. Why not have 10-mini-arc reactors be on each of his rings? It fits the Occam's Razor approach of the IM movie universe (that it is hi technology, compared to magic, gamma rays or mutation in other movies that is the cause of characters origins) and yet still lets us keep the character visibly recognizable to comic book fans. As for Fing Fang Foom, I think he is a little harder to pull off. But fuck, I would love to see Iron Man and Rhodes fighting a giant Chinese dragon.

  • June 13, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    So how big will Jon be next year?

    by Benovite1

    He's pushing 275 looks like. He'll probably have to be brought in on a flatbed truck. Truck. Flatbed. Erf.

  • June 13, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I like IM2 also

    by ComSamVimes

    I think it's as fun as IM1, and that might be the problem...it needed to be MORE fun. I enjoy both of them quite a bit, even if they aren't perfect.

  • June 13, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    I think I explained why it has to be arcane, continentalop

    by IndustryKiller!

    Thematically at least, I spelled it out. As far as it being 10 arc reactors? First of all I think the idea of people stealing Tony's technology is not only played out conceptually, but after the Avengers it's going to seem impossibly small time. He's going to at least be dealing with Loki, a meta-God, hopefully the Skrulls, and now perhaps even existing in the same universe as Thanos (Infinity Gauntlet Avengers sequel!!!!). I think the franchise can afford to step it up after that. Besides, having ten little arc reactors that all do different things is going to be not one ounce more believable or easy to digest than more arcane powers, and would actually take more explaining.

  • June 13, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    IM 2 was a good Avengers movie

    by Dennis_Moore

    but they probably wanted to make an IM movie. At its height, Avengers had a breezy quality to it; anyone of a vast roster of heroes, some from space or different planes, might be casually lounging about Avengers/Stark's mansion, or popping in when bored to see if there were any minor skirmish with a villain to take care of, like a pick-up game. They might also travel together to exotic locales for light advenure, or get involved in weird relationships or personal crises. That's what IM 2 sort of felt like, but Fav and RDJ wanted more time and to have it be like the eponymous solo book. There is a lot clever things going on in the script, and tons of sharp dialogue,enough so that I think Theroux doesn't get enough credit for from the disgruntled fans, especially considering the time constraint they had to work within.

  • June 13, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    IM 2 was a good Avengers movie

    by Dennis_Moore

    but they probably wanted to make an IM movie. At its height, Avengers had a breezy quality to it; anyone of a vast roster of heroes, some from space or different planes, might be casually lounging about Avengers/Stark's mansion, or popping in when bored to see if there were any minor skirmish with a villain to take care of, like a pick-up game. They might also travel together to exotic locales for light advenure, or get involved in weird relationships or personal crises. That's what IM 2 sort of felt like, but Fav and RDJ wanted more time and to have it be like the eponymous solo book. There is a lot clever things going on in the script, and tons of sharp dialogue,enough so that I think Theroux doesn't get enough credit for from the disgruntled fans, especially considering the time constraint they had to work within.

  • June 13, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Sorry for the hiccough.

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Yeah, I know the character of Iron Man inspired Robocop to a degree, but Iron Man the movie is laced with screen choices made in the Robocop script years before. The set up, the bad guy being the head of the company, I AM IRON MAN - is a reverse Robocop's ending with him saying hat's your name son? "MURPHY". There's more, but I'll let you guys spot them.

  • June 13, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Mel Gibson for Iron Man 3 villain!

    by MaxCalifornia.

    Seeing as IM3 has Downey and Black, two guys who basically owe Mel Gibson their careers, they should repay him the favor and hire him to be the new bad guy.

  • June 13, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    @donkeyballstwo

    by Joe Damiani

    C-list all-stars? What? Since when has Cap, Thor, Hulk, and Ironman been considered C-list?

  • June 13, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Robocop & Robocop 2 scenes lifted in both IM 1 & 2

    by chargester

    Not that I minded. The two movies are great and they're like a new version of two of my favorite flicks. Example: Stark vs Stane is shot-for-shot identical for like 20 seconds from another robot-on-robot fight - the Robocop vs Cain end battle in Robocop 2. ["This looks important!" But it was Stane's video screen, not his brain!] Example 2: When Hammer is introducing the drone army it's reminiscent of the Chairman introducing Delta City and Robocop 2, even the music is similar.

  • June 13, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Hulk ending?

    by cornponious

    WTF?

  • June 13, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST

    the ending of hulk when Stark approaches Gen. Ross

    by George Newman

    Tony talks to Ross about the avengers interest in the Hulk. interestingly, because Stark doesn't really join Shield's initiative til the end of IM2, it seems like Hulk takes place after IM2. why else would Tony be recruiting?

  • June 13, 2011, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Completely forgot about the ending of Incredible Hulk

    by cornponious

    I have no idea why.

  • June 13, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Actually, X-Men First Class is the best marvel movie ever...

    by Raymar

  • June 13, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Sure the new X-men movie is alright

    by thelordofhell

    But it's Jennifer Lawrence's almost naked body that makes it better.

  • June 13, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Iron Man and Thor are both far better films than First Class.

    by IndustryKiller!

    Let the debate begin in earnest. I'm confident in my position on this one.

  • June 13, 2011, 8:31 p.m. CST

    I love Shane Black(Hawkins!). He's an action story genius.

    by IronEagle74

    I sure hope he's successful on Iron Man 3. Maybe Hollywood will allow him to start creating things that'll bring back the action genre. As of right now, TRUE action movies are dead. Shane could bring them back.

  • Lets forget all the performances, all the stunts, and focus on the theme and tone of the comic. The tone of the comic always focus on equality and the ideals of Charles Xaviar, and Eric. This film focuses perfectly on setting those ideals and making those characters believeable. N other Marvel movie perfectly captures the every aspect of the main characters perfectly? None. I'd like to see an example of any movie marvel or otherwise that perfectly captures all ascpect of the original comic book character.

  • June 13, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Honestly I think Blade is the best Marvel film of all-time!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Yes its horror but that shit still rocks to the day! Fuck, rapping japanese girls in school-girls outfit?! The cold opening of blood pouring through the sprinklers! Wesley just being furious and badass as Blade! I say the only misstep in that film is "blood god" but shit it work and help put Marvel back on the map! The 2nd best Marvel film is...X-Men and 3rd)Iron Man. However either could switch places because they're that good!

  • June 13, 2011, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Avengers assembled - http://tinyurl.com/6xg36s3

    by strosmer

  • June 13, 2011, 11:18 p.m. CST

    i concur with hollywoodhellraiser

    by KilliK

    blade,xmen2,im1 the best marvel movies for me.

  • June 13, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    IM2 was one of the most SMUG sequels since Ocean's 12

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Like everyone involved was so busy basking in the (deserved) adulation and box office from the first movie that they just wasted the second on a bunch of dumb inside jokes and a baffling dearth of action. Hopefully a third Iron Man will follow a similar trajectory to Ocean's 13, where the cast and crew realized they fucked up royally the last time and try their best to make the new film better out of shame.

  • June 14, 2011, 1:41 a.m. CST

    D&D, Star Wars and Spielberg = ultimate nerd

    by chien_sale

    at least with comics it's guys fighting one another. you can say "that kid has SOME testosterone".

  • June 14, 2011, 2:12 a.m. CST

    The best Marvel movie is Men In Black

    by thelordofhell

  • June 14, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Coolest read I've seen posted here in a long time.

    by DoctorWho?

  • June 15, 2011, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Tony Stark makes it OK to get hammered.

    by Onin Solstice

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