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UPDATED: Some DARK KNIGHT RISES tidbits from fans in England & Pittsburgh!
Hey folks, Harry here again... Got an update from Droolsworth Fitzherbert, who had a talk with a member of the advance team for DARK KNIGHT RISES in Pittsburgh, and due to the story on AICN, asked this crew member about blowing up Melon Arena and was told that the production couldn't get permission to blow it up. However, they are going to be shooting at Heinz Field in the film and that there were going to be some pretty hefty explosions within the stadium. So once again, it will be HEINZ FIELD that has the big booms going off, not Melon Arena. FYI! Thanks goes out to Droolsworth Fitzherbert for being Johnny on the Spot with this!
Hey folks, Harry here... Got my nephew for the next couple of days. Right now - he's watching the Marx Brothers classic ANIMAL CRACKERS - and I'm checking the email to see what I can see, but usually Sundays are pretty damn slow... However, today I got two separate and completely different tidbits regarding THE DARK KNIGHT RISES which is currently shooting over in England, but will soon be shooting in Pittsburgh. First - let's take a look at the UK news...
I live in a small suburb on the outskirts of London, called Croydon. Recently some shooting for Dark Knight Rises was shot there.
Link below is from a local paper report, with a few setpics
http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/Batman-begins-filming/story-12747468-detail/story.html
(the guy in the first photo is wearing a balaclava, its not clear in the pic)
Ok - so we're going to be headed to a Gotham Hospital in this film. Do you really think they're gonna have Bane break the Bat? That's complete speculation, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Next we leap back across the pond to the gleaming zombie utopia of Pittsburgh, where they began EXTRAS casting yesterday... Oswald Cobblepot was there and has some curious dirt....
Hi Harry!
Yesterday was a pretty exciting day here in Pittsburgh as it was the first wave of extras casting calls for a movie codenamed "Magnus Rex". You probably know the movie but for those who don't- it's The Dark Knight Rises. We have been giddy about this since the announcement and from what I hear, the turnout was massive. The reason I wanted to email you was because of who and what they were casting: Thugs, businessmen/women, and tons of SPORTS FANS.
The "Sports Fans" thing is what made me raise an eyebrow. See, a while back there was a rumor circulating that Nolan and Co. talked to our City Officials about our now vacant Mellon Arena (old home of The Penguins) and their desire to blow it the hell up for an epic action sequence. If the production paid for it, it would put them over the percentage mark to get the local tax credit. Nolan would use it in the movie, and all would be right with the world. Of course the Pittsburgh Film Office and everyone else dispelled this as just a rumor. But this call for "Sports Fans" has me wondering. Could there be some validity?
We all know Nolan's affinity for practical effects.
If you use this,
I'm Oswald Cobblepot
Alright... So the tidbits we've learned is that there will be a Gotham Hospital scene... There will be Sports Fans - which brings us to pondering what manner of Sport team Gotham has is... and what they're called. I personally vote for The Gotham Ghouls... Just because if Gotham is going to be Romero's stomping grounds, it'd be a cute nod. Then there's the rumor about blowing up a sports stadium - which if that does happen, we're counting on Pittsburgh fans to capture the big boom for all of us. Right?
Enjoy your Sunday...
Harry
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Is that hinting at a surprise Cobblepot cameo?
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It's the DARK KNIGHT RISES, not RETURNS Harry. I'm hoping the reason they're not calling it RETURNS is so 20 years from now Bale and Nolan can revisit Bats ala Miller's story.
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Of course, as soon as I posted that, Harry corrected the error.
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Their football team was the Gotham Knights or Wildcats. I think some of their other teams were Gators, Goliaths, and Guardsman I think.
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bah, I still vote for the Gotham Ghouls!
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Because that is seriously annoying.
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This was once a double post, but now, it is a pointless post.
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According to the DC Database the only two sports teams are the Gotham Gators and the Gotham Knights. It doesn't say what sports however. I do know in the BTAS episode Fear of Victory the college football team is the GCU Knights.
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Is he some kind of weird new villain?
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It would be a cool end to the Nolan series for Batman to be killed or paralyzed...
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We all know Nolan's affinity for practical effects.
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June 12, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST
We're only what, 13 months away from this film. I also like the Gotham Ghouls!
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Can't wait.
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Tell you what, if Nolan and team can make Croydon look appropriately cinematic they deserve an oscar right there! Dingy, grey and depressing are the most appropriate terms for that place.
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Why did only one line of my previous post get posted?! test?
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You should guys should try it. If you handle all the goddamn rose water. BTW, I really hope Batman doesn't get killed in this movie. It was hard enough explaining to the kids why Superman was in the hospital in that PIECE OF SHIT "Superman Returns."
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June 12, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST
It would be a cool end to the Nolan series for Batman to be killed or paralyzed...
by Subtitles_Off
Yeah. Because it's always cool when, in heroic fiction, the hero loses and ends up a failure. That's if, like, cool really sucks. Good Jeeby Crapmas!
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It's a Twitter thang.
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Wot a shithole
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Not counting the first crappy one and the second which was alright but falls apart on repeated viewings. Right on track. On track.
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We don't need no stupid punctuation.
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Weird.
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I was going to say the practical fx are one of the important factors that differentiate BATMAN BEGINS and TDK from the likes of FANTASIC FOUR, SPIDEY 3, and HULK. I watched BATMAN BEGINS a couple of night ago and fuck me it's good. Not just a great superhero movie, but just a great movie full stop. Theres a moment where Batman's sprayed with weaponized fear toxin and you see maggots and bats oozing out of Scarecrows mask. Any other superhero film would probably have CG'd them in but practical looks so much better.
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The Gotham Knights was the baseball team that Tommy Monaghan (Hitman) was continually going into debt by betting on to win. I think he won one bet over the course of the comic's run.
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June 12, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST
But definitely thanks for posting some news on a Sunday
by George Newman
coming here on the weekend can sometimes feel a bit bleak, but i still check a couple times, just crossing my fingers. Ya didn't disappoint this time!
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Subs, I agree with you on many movies but these two films (unlike most it seems I prefer BEGINS over TDK) I thought were outstanding. Is this how you spell 'diometrically' opposed?! But that's cool!
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Seems like a Bane-worthy setup....
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Our viewpoints are discordant. We have conflicting views. Our conversation on this subject is likely to be irreconcilable. Discordant. Hopefully, not acrimonious. In another word, Cobes, you're just wrong. (wink) BATMAN BEGINS is brown, boring garbage. Fuck me, it's bad.
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Hehe.. yes it's pretty 'brown' I'll give you that! But brown and beautiful not brown and um.. shitty...
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Begins was a test-run for TDK's greatness; the best thing I can say about it is that it put the right players in place for the sequel. It is an "ugly, brown mess" as another Talkbacker put it. And the other problem is that the story it tries to tell - Bruce Wayne becoming Batman - was told infinitely better and with way more heart and emotion in the animated "Mask of the Phantasm" film.
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June 12, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST
Brown and, um...shitty. You've seen the big super evil from GREEN LANTERN?
by Subtitles_Off
Run, citizens! Run! Evil will stain your shorts! Run!
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I meant "dissonant" for one of those. This portion of today's Talkback has been brought to you by Sesame Street.
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I don't know what Bane's origins are in the comics, but maybe the "Sports Fans" are for a UFC kind of match that Bane is involved in. Is Bane supposed to go to prison in this film and breakout? Can anyone please explain his backstory in the comics?
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Because if you were you would never imagine a pro-franchise using that as its team name. Sorry, but that is a stupid, stupid team name.
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It should have been the fucking Penguin as the villain in this movie. Bane. Bah. I'll take intellectual foe over physical opponent any day in the great villain department.
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June 12, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST
TDK and BATMAN BEGINS are diametrically opposed, uh, sorta.
by Subtitles_Off
And, all indications point to THE DARK KNIGHT'S ENGORGEMENT as being more BEGINS-ish than TDK-esque. Cobes and I will be reserving our separate corners over the next months. But it is cool. Cobes and I know how to disagree.
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June 12, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST
Also TDK gets better and better for me with each viewing
by Continentalop
But Batman Begins gets worse, and worse and even worse...
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Was the spawn of two political prisoners in a South American dictatorship propped up by America. Born, raised, and tortured in prison, he was subject to U.S.-sanctioned experiments to increase his strength with the steroid-ish substance called "venom." He broke out of his prison with a chip on his shoulder, and he came gunning to Gotham. (Why he had a particular hard-on for The Wayne family has slipped my mind. Anyone?)
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Gotham Wildcats the football team.
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Bane is also, in the comics, intellectually enhanced, not just physically enhanced. He's so smart, he wears a luchador mask. Right? (Comics are dumb.)
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I'm live in Pittsburgh and there is a group here that's been trying, and failing, to keep Mellon Arena from being demolished and to be given historic status. Since it's an ongoing thing, I'm not sure Nolan would be able to blow it up for the movie. I'd like it to stay, but if it's going to be demolished, this would be they way for it to go. I wanted to go to the casting calls, and I hear they are looking for a lot of people, but my job doesn't give me the 12 hours a day Monday through Saturday availability they are looking for. Here's a link to the details (and there's a video too): http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11163/1153163-53.stm
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June 12, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST
It should've been Penguin. Riddler. Fukk, even Man-Bat. Other than Bane.
by Subtitles_Off
Bane is one-note. Therefore, he fits in perfectly with Nolan's one-note Batman universe. But, there are so many well-known villains in the Batman mythology that he could've used, I don't see how anyone can disagree that Bane is a disappointing choice. Mad Hatter'd put more asses in the seats, fer fukksake.
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But at the ends the stories involving Bane usually have his plot just be "break the Bat" and ends up being a hand-to-hand fight between the two. Does he really ever show any cunning? Saying a character is smart is one thing, but actually having him pull off ingenious plots is another thing. Penguin has been pulling of ingenious plots since 1941, and having loftier goals than just "must beat up Batman."
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"Subs, they always SAY Bane is smart." Obviously I'm not up there with Brainiac 5 with a level 12 intelligence.
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I think Bane's intelligence was never a source of the plot mechanics in the Batman comics. He was even reduced further in those to be a flunky for Ra's Al Ghul. (Hmm. I wonder where Nolan got his inspiration?) Later, the SECRET SIX comic, which features Bane as a member --- for a couple more months, anyway, until it's re-booted --- made him more of a cunning character. That's what I've been told, anyway.
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Frank, what do you expect from today's match-up between The Gotham Ghouls and Bludhaven Zombies?
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June 12, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST
Hey, 'Lop. Since TDK gets better and better for you, maybe
by Subtitles_Off
you could e-mail me and explain that fukking retarded ending. If anybody could sell me on that s#!t, you could. I'm not promising anything, but take a whack at the piñata that is "the hero we need, deserve, want, no, need, huh?"
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Shit - the chavs will have the wheels off the Batmobile before the keys out of the ignition.
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June 12, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST
Wow, the TB really is lopping off whole parts of posts.
by Subtitles_Off
I typed... Sports Teams mascots are always vicious animals or gladiatorial types. They are chosen to express strength. The Gotham Ghouls sounds like a parody title form an old Scooby Doo Meets Batman cartoon.
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Frank, what do you expect from today's match-up between The Gotham Ghouls and Bludhaven Zombies? Well, Buddy, probably some lumbering. Sure, we can expect lumbering. The Ghouls have some of the best lumberers in the league. I don't know if we'll see any brain eating, though. The new rules have kind of squashed a lot of that.
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mattman I agree. BATMAN BEGINS feels a very different film to TDK. Watching it again this week I was so impressed by the first hour of the movie. It tells the plot concurrently in three different time periods, Bruce as a boy, Bruce as an angry young man, and Bruce in the present. Flitting between them - with events in each time period informing and effecting the other. What with the training montage and sword fighting stuff with Liam Neeson it's almost like watching a HIGHLANDER movie!
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It looks like all signs are pointing towards a broken bat. The interesting part is, at which point in the movie is this going to happen?
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And, right there, Cobes hits on why BEGINS fails as a Batman movie (for me). Bruce Wayne is an iconic character. He didn't need to be turned into something Luke-Skywalkeresque / Karate Kiddish / Highlandery to be cool. And, Bruce Wayne as a FOCUSED, SELF-DETERMINED young man works. Bruce Wayne as a pouty, sullen, angry little bitch who needs to be set straight by Tom Cruise's wife FAILS.
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are the huge continuity errors. Like major "how the hell did they miss that?" errors. Otherwise, I love that movie.
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June 12, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST
People against Bane don't read the comics... They just remember Batman and Robin
by Andrew Coleman
Also if you think this Bane will be like the one you hate... The pic of Bane should have changed that instantly. I'm sure most of you are hating just to hate. These TB's now are getting known for bitter people like that ranting. But never ever say "The Mad hatter will get more asses is seats." First off the sequel to the Dark Knight could have Egg Head as the villain and make $400 million dollars. Also Mad Hatter would only work in a campy or sci-fi dominant Batman universe, which Nolan isn't doing.
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June 12, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST
Yeah, Mad hatter wouldn't work. You're right. Let's go with Bodybuilder in a Sex Mask, then. Alright?
by Subtitles_Off
We've had radioactive vaporizers. Fear gas. Men walking around with gaping wounds on their faces. But, yeah, if you say so, none of that flirts with ridiculousness. Christopher Nolan, Emperor of Nerds. He makes all silly things serious. But, he's above silly things. I mean, really! Mind control? Spandex? Color?
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June 12, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST
Phissy, 'Lop has read more Batman comics than you ever will.
by Subtitles_Off
And, I've read as many as he has. Keep on thinking you're the only one in this universe who knows what there is to be known. It really works for you.
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June 12, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST
Nolan still needs to learn how to shoot better action scenes
by Titus05
blowing up real hospitals and stadiums does not make a great action scene...something always seems missing and a bit bland with his action scenes...the truck flip in Dark Knight was his idea of a great action set piece 'ending' while for other directors that would be in the middle...he needs to learn to put it all together...but then again I don't see him as an action director as he's more of a cerebral filmmaker...that being said he can improve that part of his game
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As long as it isn't the Halley Berry Catwoman we're talking about.
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June 12, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST
maybe if Nolan embraced CGI more his action scenes would be much better
by Titus05
all this practical shit is holding him back...do people really care if it's CGI or practical?...as long as it doesn't look fake then it doesn't matter
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Therein lies the biggest problem with Nolan's fight choreography. The camera is far too close, so he has to edit more rapidly to get in the other aspects of the scene. Wider shots would reduce the distracting, disorienting effect.
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Just kidding. I understand if you like him. As Stan "the Man" once pointed out, every character, no matter how "dumb" or "ridiculous" everyone else thinks they are. I might not like Bane but I can't get upset if you do (I like Marvel's Porcupine and Stilt-Man for Chrissakes). But I will ask, while everyone likes to point out how Bane is so smart, does he really plot that often in the comic books? Or have that intricate of plots? I mean, you say he acts like a grandmaster in chess, but how intricate are his moves other than "beat up Robin" or "take out Gordan" or "beat up an old man named Alfred"? Compare the strategies of Bane with the plotting of the Penguin from the Golden Age, who in an 8-page story hatched a plot of planning crimes for other criminals for 20% of the take, then he would double-cross and whack them, and keep all the profits. Both the cops and the underworld thought the deceased crooks had fled and were on the lam, so no one suspected Pengy was doing anything nefarious and he could continue on his murderous scheme. That. my friends, is a fuckin' plotter!
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I hate it, but I do think a big problem is that it is the damn Bat suit. You can't move in it so you almost have to shoot and edit around it. At least that is my theory. But I will also say I am not a big fan of Nolan's style of action direction in other movies as well (Inception for example, the entire skiing incident did nothing for me).
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June 12, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST
I actually prefer the aesthetic of the Arkham Asylum game to Nolan's movies.
by THE_CHOPPAH
They're not so far apart, but the game lets rip the more gothic side of the material. It's also exceedingly terrifying, particularly the stuff involving Scarecrow.
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It seems that Nolan is hiding the limitations of that bulky ass suit with the close framing.
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Gotham Ghouls is not gonna work. I'm thinking most of you guys aren't into football, judging from the popularity of that name. The nickname needs to be physical, vibrant, maybe dangerous, or something related to the history of the area. That's why teams are named after animals, fighting forces, or things like "49'ers" or "Saints" who were named after the song "When the Saint's Come Marching In."
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June 12, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST
But, 'Lop! Nolan's bat-suit is so practical! It's body armor! Body armor is real! Ish. Sorta.
by Subtitles_Off
Man, it's the same conversation every time one of these threads pops up its little, bald, non-news head. I'll agree that I can't wait until this movie comes out. So we can all rapidly move defuck on.
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Can't wait for the contortions when all the Nolanites see him RISE.
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Nanotubes. Make the damn Batsuit out of something high tech and plausible like Nanotubes.
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She was sexy.
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I start to understand why nerds are so ostracized... I mean, Batman Begins and the Dark Knight being criticized for any straw that can be grasped. Just like every other movie that will ever be made and be well-received. It's as if you think enjoying an actual movie makes you less of a movie fan. Being a wet blanket gives you the warm and fuzzies. I mean, hey, like what you want. I'm sure I've been accused of the same thing. But you guys hate on film like it's your job.
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June 12, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST
Why Does the Nolan Batman Films Need Exotic Locations (Anywhere I Don't Live Or Been Seems Exotic To Me)..
by MakNeil
when everything comes off dreary. It's as if he sucks the wonder not only out of Batman, but from the very locations where he films at. That begin said, I don't hate his Batman, but I don't recall any of them being visually distinctive. Which reminds me of Inception, which was way too mundane (for a film about entering dreams, that is. The worse of the Nightmare On Elm Street films were more fantastical–not necessarily better films, but more steeped in the fantastic.).
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I meant "being," not "begin."
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Like choreography plot-holes costumes Mere straws. Alrighty. "It's as if you think enjoying an actual movie makes you less of a movie fan." I can't even figure out what that means. I'm a movie fan because I like imaginary movies? I'm not a movie fan because I find BATMAN BEGINS much less than the masterpiece some claim it is? If hating on film were a job, there'd be a whole lot of money in it, because, these days, film is very disappointing.
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Big, honking, well-put straws.
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June 12, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST
Playable Catwoman? The sixth Mrs. CHOPPAH's gonna love that.
by THE_CHOPPAH
She plays the games 'round here. I like to watch.
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He is one of the few villains who ever straight-up beat Batman. Just...kicked his ass. Who else ever really did that? That alone makes that particular story worth retelling.
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June 12, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST
I will never understand the fanboy love for Bane
by garybuseys_incisors
One of Batman's greatest foes? Really? Bane was a cash grab by DC and nothing else. In the Knightfall series, Batman didn't even act like Batman. Like Conti said, Bane's "superior intellect" isn't all that superior. Bane was created to sell comic books, and to that regard I suppose the character accomplished what it was set out to accomplish. To be fair I haven't read anything with Bane outside of the Knightfall series, but from what I saw of him there it felt like a cash grab the entire time.
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Alfred is admitted to the hospital for some reason. Michael Caine spilled the beans last week.
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June 12, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST
I live in Purley, Next to Croydon. I used to work at Delta Point.
by SmokieGeezer
I'm not wearing Hockey Pads!
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It's a real shithole. The only place in England where someone had threatened to kill me for absolutely no reason and then my car got towed. A really horrible part of England!
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Knights just sounds redundant because of the whole Dark Knight thing. Gators reminds me too much of Florida and Ghouls just sounds retarded. Sorry Harry.
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That's what I want to know! If you've heard of anything, then GOOOOOD for you!!!!
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And he's as ill-conceived as Doomsday. Hey, Batman, World's Greatest Detective, I wonder what those pipes are connected to that huge pack on his the roid freak's back. Really. I'd prefer Killer Croc. That being said, if Nolan wants Bane, give him Bane. I'm assuming he'll improbe upon the issues I have with the character.
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The pictures from Croydon gives a big hint, Black Mask hanging out of the window!!
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This picture is a reveal! Nice one Harry for not spotting it! http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Mask
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I pity the fools who can't understand why.
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See that all the time over Croydon way ... total shit hole. They have a decent comic store mind you ...
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June 12, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST
He is one of the few villains who ever straight-up beat Batman. Just...kicked his ass
by GINGE_MUPPET
Sort of ... He busted open Arkham so every inmate could mess with Bats and then when Wayne was a total physical mess Bane strolls in a beats him up. He knew 1 on 1 even with Venom that Batman will still own him.
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Bane looks cheesy. Hopefully Nolan proves us wrong.
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For the condescending know-it-all's.
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Ok, the entire conceit of the new Batman series is they are going to make it more believable and plausible, right? I mean, Batman is the most realistic super-hero so they are going to make a movie that makes him seem he very well could happen. So what do they do? They make a Batman movie where instead of wondering around studying and learning from a wide variety of experts in actual fields (such as judo, jujitsu, forensics, etc) they have him go on top of a mountain and learn special ninjitsu from a secret vigilante society called the League of Shadows. And then when Wayne gets back to Gotham he has to face a very realistic dilemma of fear gas put in our water than vaporized by a microwave cannon on a giant monorail. Right there they went against the entire premise of the new series. That is why I like TDK so much more than BB, it moves much closer to trying to make Batman feel like he is very much part of the real world and less like a "comic book" movie (and yes, Batman is very much a comic book character but his best adventures were always more detective stories than superhero adventures).
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Not Batman, a town planner with a shitload of cash and a demolitions crew.
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When Bane "broke the Bat" he used strategy to weaken Batman to the point where he could be defeated. IIRC, he broke out all the inmates of Arkham and sat back while Batman spent a few weeks getting them all locked back up. Then, with Batman completely exhausted, Bane was able to snap him like a twig. Hey, seems like an obvious plan, but he pulled it off! Of course, when Bruce Wayne healed (Lazarus Pit I think? I really didn't read much DC), he mopped the floor with Bane. I just don't see Nolan lifting an entire storyline from the comics, something he has yet to do.
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I see Ginge Muppet beat me to it. Good on ya!
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June 12, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST
No, shub. It wasn't a Lazarus Pit. It was much, much sillier.
by Subtitles_Off
Bruce Wayne was healed by the loving, voodoo touch of his current girlfriend, Shondra Kinsolving, who shared telepathic woo-woo powers with her evil twin. She - a sexy, competent black woman. Her twin - a wrinkled, old, white, crazy dude. Yeah, it didn't make much sense to me either. And, I don't think Bruce got to beat on Bane's ass until later (like, a couple years later). It was Azrael, in bat-armor, who kicked Bane's ass the first time. Bruce kicked Azrael's ass when he came back. And, then, he did some back strengthening exercises while Dick ran around in Daddy's clothes for awhile. I could be recalling it all wrongly. I've tried to put it out of my mind.
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This movie has been completelty spoiled for me. Why werent there spoiler tags placed in this thread so I could have known not to come in here to read about things that might happen in a film thats yet to be released. How about having some fucking consideration for those of us who didnt want to know anything about what was gonna happen!!!!
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I guess all your mothers didnt love you enough and youre life is a empty void and so you feel the need to come here and spoil everything! You all suck!!!!!!!
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June 12, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST
grendel, if I'm not mistaken, if anyone needs to blame his mother for anything, it's you.
by THE_CHOPPAH
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June 12, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST
That supposed Arkham asylum footage a few threads back got pulled. Has it been mirrored elsewhere?
by orcus
According to Youtube, the person who posed it closed up their account. Supposedly there was some creepy chanting in it and such. The thread in question is: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49874
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Croydon gave us dubstep. Did you forget about dubstep? Clearly you did. But it didn't forget about you, as James Blake's "Also, Here's a Song About Smell The Magic Off The AICN" proves. In addition, it led to some decent jokes on Men Behaving Badly. The point is, I haven't seen Green Lantern. Or the other Green thing with Not Kevin Smith.
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I'll bet this happens early on... thinking Nolan and company are going to follow the story laid out in KnightFall-KnightQuest-KnightsEnd.
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I agree richie_t, they will fight early on and Bane will crush him. Batman will have to heal and come back to bring him down.
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June 12, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST
Harry, is this the same nephew you showed The Omen to when he was 6??
by orcus
Hello, child services?
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June 12, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST
Has anyone else had a problem posting things with quote marks and brackets?
by orcus
Orcus did a cursory test and they don't seem to come through. This also coincides with folks saying that some of their posts are either not coming through or coming out in pieces.
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June 12, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST
If Bane takes out Batman early, then it's just going to be Nolan's version of ROCKY III.
by THE_CHOPPAH
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I was joking... being a douche based on my conversation in the Game of Thrones thread.
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June 12, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST
Thanks choppah, Orcus was going nuts with this testing it out in old threads
by orcus
Now Orcus has to figure out if folks were adding their own tags to posts to justify the new restrictions. This kinda reminds Orcus of the old Journeyman thread were we added our own tags to text and TOTALLY screwed up the look of the TB. Hee hee, good times
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June 12, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST
Bane will NOT kick his ass early on ... or what kind of movie would be left?
by golden tribw
Nobody wants to watch two hours of Bruce Wayne doing physio. There's no room for the Shondra Kinsolving/old-naked-jiu-jitsu-lady-on-a-mountain mystical crap, and no time for the massive Arkham breakout (and myriad subsequent bat-vs-goon skirmishes) needed to kick off the storyline -- especially with Catwoman in play. And there's no-one else in the cast to take over Batman duties (I know someone's gonna say JGL but as much as I like him he's too slightly built, and he wasn't in either of the first two so I have a really hard time imagining him just showing up and Bale handing over the keys) so what would happen for 60+ minutes with Batman incapacitated?
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It might actually be like Rocky III, he will get hurt in the first fight and have to come back, and Goldentribe maybe Catwoman could take over Batman's duties, but just be much more ruthless, so not only would Batman have to take both of them out. Either way its a movie we are not going to see him to physio after getting his ass kicked.
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Your name made it too easy, homeslice.
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http://tinyurl.com/3u9ngkp
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June 12, 2011, 7:53 p.m. CST
This ain't Knightfall ... will just pick out good bits.
by GINGE_MUPPET
As Golden said, There is no time or interest in seeing Wayne recover from a broken back! Bane will just beat the shit out of him and then we watch a crisis of confidence unfold ..... actually that sounds crap as well.
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I think the whole detective aspect of Batman has been lost along the way when it comes to the movies ... Burton and Nolan have both tried to slip in little nods and winks but most of the time their movies feature a Batman who is not trusted by the police so he rarely gets a chance to work crime scenes and take his time ...
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I think the fact he isn't trusted by the police would actually lead to him being more of a detective. Sure Sherlock Holmes was an advisor to the police and could work a crime scene with them, but detectives like Philip Marlowe and Sam Spade worked very much independently of the law. Because they couldn't expect any help from the police they had to dependent on their own detective skills.
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Just auditioned this afternoon in Pittsburgh. The key points: 1. The will be needing many extras. 2. Chief desired attributes for extras: those with military, police, martial arts backgrounds or training.
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I can't wait to see how Nolan et al wraps this up. It may be a minor thing, but I have not warmed to the title. Batman Begins is self explanatory and signaled that Nolan's series is a separate entity to the Burton/Schumacher films. I love The Dark Knight title. It suggests that the second film was more than merely a comic book adaptation and truly an epic crime drama in its own right. While the Dark Knight Rises suggests that it is the direct continuation of TDK story, it is also a bit too derivative of the sequel title and suggests that it does not stand on its own as an individual narrative. I was hoping that the third film would be simply called Gotham, as I do think that the fictional city is very much a character in Nolan's Batman films. Anyway, it's a nuanced, somewhat pedantic issue, but I am not so hot on the third title.
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is enough reason for me to be in the movie's premiere.all the rest is for killing time.
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12 years for this crappy game? fuck this shit.
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I can already see that being a really big set-piece, like the car-chase/truck flipping in TDK.
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June 12, 2011, 11:05 p.m. CST
Well at least they won't have to worry about scheduling conflicts
by slder78
with the NFL. Might as well make use of the stadium. Hey Nolan, If you really want to blow up a stadium, come to SF. We need an excuse to get rid of Candlestick.
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...oh wait, no, I ACTUALLY DID LIKE IT. Because it's a great fucking blockbuster film. Flawed, of course. Yeah I prefer the gothic vision of Burton's Batmans and the new Batman games. And it still had some plot holes and a weaker third act regarding the villains "plot" and stuff like that. But to bitch that, like, Wayne wasn't always determined and resolute? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. The whole idea of coming to terms with his parents death is IMPORTANT for the character. It humanized him in a very smart way, and gave a real emotional backbone for the creation of Batman. It was realistic enough to be plausible but not so dead set on it that it lost a sense of fun. The Dark Knight, on the other hand, is FAR MORE unrealistic. In that film, the amount of plot holes and just general bullshit far exceeds anything in Batman Begins. You've got Batman blowing cars up without any care for who might be in them, while in Begins you have a car chase where the damage is an actual plot point. In TDK you have the Joker ramming into the front of a bank during rush hour and nobody notices or cares, in Batman Begins the city is getting destroyed and people are fucking REACTING TO WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THEM. In TDK you have a villain who feels like he's from a different film and can do impossible, magical things for no other reason than it's what he does. In Batman Begins you have scarecrow turned into a surprisingly buy-able character, and you have a fucking horse breathing fire and it doesn't look silly. I stand by my point. Why TDK is considered "more realistic" and thus better mystifies me to the same level as politics when people claim the media has a "left wing" bias even though most political commentators are conservative. TDK is not realistic. It's not even fucking close. Just because it takes itself more seriously doesn't mean it doesn't have all the same goofy shit in it. And I bet with TDKR a lot of people will be "disappointed," and somehow I'll think it's the best of the three. I'm really stoked that they're going for a more gothic look to Gotham. My ideal Batman movie would be the visuals and theme of Burton's Batman with the tone and plot density of Nolan's flicks. I guess the game is sort of that, somewhat, maybe.
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Hate to hijack the thread. Long time lurker, very limited poster. Was watching STAR WARS Episode 4 with my three year old today. AT 1:45.31 on the DVD Red 6 checks in as they are on their way to attack the death star. He then plays in the next 3-4 minutes before he's shot down. Is it just me or does the guy look just like Harry? BTW can't wait for The Dark Knight Rises. Very stoked. Anyways take a look and see if it really is Harry back in 1977.
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June 12, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST
And I bet with TDKR a lot of people will be "disappointed," and somehow I'll think it's the best of the three.
by KilliK
we share the same belief.i think that's how it is going to turn out.
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But I really, really, REALLY hope there is no scene involving a fictional Gotham football/sports team. First of all, fake sports franchises ALWAYS take me out of movies(with lone exceptions to films like "Slap Shot," because thats a minor league organization). I'm a sports writer, football by trade, and I can't even watch "Any Given Sunday"(arguably one of the best football movies ever) because I groan every time I see or hear the 'Miami Sharks.' Secondly... Nolan's Batfilms have prided themselves on their realism, to the extent of Chicago being an exact stand-in for Gotham. All of that goes to hell for me if I see some fake team with an awkward, photoshop-branded logo running around Heinz Field. This has to be the lamest nitpick for this film ever, I understand... but UGH, its going to kill me if they do this
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I haven't read the books and managed to keep myself spoiler free, and am still in shock. Once they killed Boromir Stark I didn't move out of my seat for a good five minutes. I don't think I've ever felt that much impact from a fictional character dying. Lem from The Shield had a little impact on me, and I spoiled Omar's death on The Wire. I realized that on this show no one is safe, but I didn't think that would happen. The worst part of it is they took his honor. The best part is his wife is single, cause she is hot. I think Lady Stark got the better end of the gene pool then her sister, but the lady of the vale is quick to make with a tidday.
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June 13, 2011, 12:12 a.m. CST
dookiestainlaflair You're a piece of shit and I hope every single
by slder78
piece of entertainment is spoiled for you from now on. You douchebag motherfucker.
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Just visit www.thedarkknightrises.com and you'll be able to hear the chanting.
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The Texas Chainsaw Massacre '03 - still remember my distinct shock when his dismembered head suddenly turned up on screen.
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IT'S TIIIMMMEEE.... IIIITTTTT'SSSSSSS VVVVVAAAAADDDERRRR TTTIIIIIIIMMMEEEE!!!!!
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exactly......I prefer the characters that are created that give readers no urge whatsoever to buy the books. jk.........I know what you mean, it's like they had a plot in mind beforehand and created him to fit the bill. But I think he's evolved as a character a bit over the years and I'm sure Nolan will have an interesting take on the character.
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June 13, 2011, 1:58 a.m. CST
-I'm sure Nolan will have an interesting take on the character.-
by KilliK
οfc he does.he whtiewashed him for start.
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I wrote this sequel to TDK as a writing exercise. Just putting it out for fun. Feel free to trash it or enjoy it. http://tinyurl.com/378ew9n
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June 13, 2011, 3:36 a.m. CST
ΥΟ Continentalop,wazup? so i hear that Penguin wont be in TDKR
by KilliK
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHA
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I wonder if any villains will get alluded to by name like the Joker did at the end of Batman Begins. I hope so.
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Any more than TDK was The Long Halloween or Begins was Year One. It'll take the idea of Bane as a rough jumping off point and do its own thing from there. So anyone bitching about how rubbish Bane is in the comics - Nolan will be doing his own thing with him and I doubt he's going to make him a two-dimensional character.
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June 13, 2011, 5:35 a.m. CST
Batman Begins is a much better take on the mythos than say Burton's films.
by Stalkeye
IMO Batman (1989) was far overatted and underwhelming. The casting of Bruce Wayne/Bats being the no. 1 problem, then you have the flamboyant joker with Prince music (Don't get me wrong, Prince-Nelson Rodgers is a great artist, but not a good fit for this kinda film.) and a shitty final conrontation wheras Batman should have been kicking ass enroute to the tower, only to get his ass kicked by some brotha that looks like a celebrity bodyguard. Oh, and there's that silly dialog from Vale; "when are we gonna learn to love each other"? Wayne hanging upside down? keaton's flabby face under the cowl,etc. Well, at least the set pieces were good. Batman Returns had really ventured into a more dark territory (gothic if you will.) with the penguin planning to murder innocent babies,batman killing off a few of Cobblepot's henchmen, Schreck getting toasted and not to mention an abiguous ending had strayed too far from the comic's roots. Then again, Tim (Burton) is batshit himself. With begins, things are back to form thanks to C. Nolan.
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If you really can't get past the idea of Bane being a cash grab, and even if you can, and still think the character is one-dimensional, has Nolan ever given you reason to think we'll get a one-dimensional portrayal of an existing character? No. As trolling goes, it's a complete waste of energy.
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June 13, 2011, 5:41 a.m. CST
BTW Bane is a boring ass character, do we actually need to see him in another film?
by Stalkeye
Never cared for him in the comics or animated series and I'm not interested in his appearances in film as there are more interesting characters in batman's rogue's gallery. let's just hope this doesnt bomb like Spiderman 3. Bane=Venom (get the connection?)
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June 13, 2011, 6:27 a.m. CST
But in BB, Batman essentially leaves a person to die ON PURPOSE
by KilliK
that is not the Batman i know from the comics. Then you have the shitty idea,that Batman had lost his way but then an Irishman who happens to be a ninja (how much ridicilous is the sound of that? even more than Elektra, a Greek woman, becoming a ninja.jesus.) shows him the light and teaches him ninja stuff in an isolated monastery controlled by some shadowy league. then Batman finds out that the league is evil and destroys the monastery.the fuck is this shit? The Batman i know,had the determination and the clear vision since he was a kid to grow up into a man whose abilities,both spiritual and physical,would allow him to not let evil to happen to others like it happened to his parents. THAT was the friggin point of the death of Wayne's parents.That's why he begin a journey throughout the world in order to understand the world and learn from the world,he needed the best of the best to teach him how to become a warrior,a scientist,a detective and a man of honor and ethos. He didnt need some kind of Highlander-sque Ramizer-like white ninja dude to teach him lessons about life and some kind of shaolin shit ideology.the fuck? And you know why i hate the way Nolan fucked up with the origin of Batman in his movies? two reasons: 1.He completely misused the best Batman villain and lost the opportunity to make a masterful movie where the two ideologies of those almost equal people clash. Joker should be used in another movie as a way to look deep into Wayne's soul and mind.Not as a reason for some social experiments like it happened in TDKR.leave that to Riddler ffs. 2.Since young Wayne traveled around the world to become the man we all know (minus the mask),wouldnt have been great to have parallel to the movies,also a tv series where we could watch those adventures of his in a more detail way and witness in depth,his transformation and character progression to what he finally became? something like the Young Indiana Jones mini-series which i found them pretty good. ok BB and TDKR are good films despite their flaws,but they are no perfect adaptation of Batman's true character in no fucking why. savy?
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Since young Wayne traveled around the world to become the man we all know (minus the mask),wouldnt have been great to have parallel to the movies,also a tv series where we could watch those adventures of his in a more detail way and witness in depth,his transformation and character progression to what he finally became?
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Didn't he trap the KGBeast and then leave him to starve/suffocate? I have a feeling this has been retconned or some bullshit added about him tipping off the police, but Batman isn't Superman. And I really don't see Bane as Venom, or even Doomsday, if we're talking about characters as cash cows. Knightfall had far more substance than the Death of Superman or the symbiote blather.
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Im also noticing that the talkbackers who have most problem with Nolans Batman films; Subs, Conti, Killik, are all those who already have a deep connection to the Batman from the comics. I think this is always the way, and a natural part of fandom. Your 'first exposure' to a character, whether it comes from a book or a film or indeed a comic, is always the one that makes the deepest imprint and the one against which other interpretations - rightly or wrongly - are judged. It's not possible to 'unlearn' when you see a film about a character you already have such a connection to, you will always enter it with some degree of bias / prejudice rather than 'fresh eyes'. I'm not saying that a bad thing or a good thing... just that it's a thing.
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Oh for fucks sake, the post I put up above got cut down again - Orcus you're right about the quotation marks. If you try and include quotation marks it cuts your post.
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Killik, what I was trying to say is that your idea for a parallel tv series where Bruce travels the world sounds sounds a lot like the HIGHLANDER tv series!
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June 13, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST
cobra--kai, Orcus does have a knack of finding odd occurences at this site
by orcus
As we type, Orcus is experimenting with what else may be awry. Such is the burden of the keeper of the Archives :)
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try not to generalize that much next time..
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Other "specialties" they were looking for were people with ability in forms of MMA, photographers and bartenders.. not the biggest deal.
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You're welcome.
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Bookworm could've been thrown in as a behind the scenes mastermind.
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Indeed we do! and we love him for it! It's nice to know with so many lug heads defending CGI, there's someone like Chris Nolan on my side who understands the difference it makes to shoot things real.
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and most of the people who defend CGI,they do it against single-minded supporters of practical effects who renounce the use of CGI completely. both methods are good,both they have the ups and the downs,it is up to the creator to use them properly and accordingly.
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If he took the heads along with the hats.
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And as a fellow petty man, I tip my hat to you...
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My connection to the history of Batman the character definitely colors my opinion of the Batman movies. But I am not a diehard DC/Batman zealot who believes in canon and continuity. I mean most diehard fans want to see Batman meet Superman or join the JL. They can't imagine Batman NOT existing in the DC Universe. Not me. I think Nolan nailed it when he said Batman exist in his own separate universe, because this is how Bob Kane and Bill Fingers imagined the character (same with Superman). But my criticism with BB (TDK to me is a much better movie, and my problems with that movie usually involve stuff left over from BB) is that for a movie that tries to present Batman in such realism, why have such an outlandish and comic bookish plot of a secret society of ninja's releasing fear gas thanks to a sci-fi microwave cannon on a ginormous monorail? Even James Bond fans would call this plot ridiculous. And TDKR seems to be heading in the same direction of a much more "comic bookish" plot with Bane and rumors of the return of the LOS.
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Speculation is part of the reason we have talkbacks. It's fun. You should look the word up.
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Once again, the conceit of the new Batman series is that it is as "realistic" as possible. One of the things that makes it feel realistic is Nolan's use of practical effects. CGI is very useful, but it isn't always the best solution and doesn't always have the correct "feel" (just like how a zoom doesn't have the same feel as a dolly).
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June 13, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST
I don't want to guess what's the plot of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
by AsimovLives
I want to be suprised when i finally get tow atch the movie. And could they please change the title? I'm not a fan of it, as it is.
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June 13, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
Anyways killik, i was comparing Burton's version to Nolan's. Comprende?
by Stalkeye
In returns, Batman came off a bit sociopathic like burning a henchmen via igniting the Batmobile, placing a timed explosive on the Circus Strongman only to have him explode while calmly walking away. Now despite the results being the same, (Death is death from Ducard/Ras a Ghul being left to die or Batman trapping Joker's ankle to some heavy ass cornerstone.) a major difference IMO is that Bats did not intentionally kill Liam's character, he just bailed out and left him to his own devices. The scene at the monestary, did Bruce deliberatly meant to kill the members of the league, or just give them ample time to flee while burning down the house? If he meant to kill the league of shadows/Ghul, then it's a big contradiction since he refused to kill the prisoner accused of murdering some innocent bhutan farmer only to kill some elite vigilante force, who are doing what is within the "best interests" of humanity.(?) Quote: "2.Since young Wayne traveled around the world to become the man we all know (minus the mask),wouldnt have been great to have parallel to the movies,also a tv series where we could watch those adventures of his in a more detail way and witness in depth,his transformation and character progression to what he finally became?" Ok, good concept but it ain't gonna happen since people are more interested in the character (aestetically speaking) as opposed to the man inside.
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June 13, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST
Asi, an interesting post from a fellow talkbacker about said title.
by Stalkeye
I forgot who posted it as a response to my ranting about the title; "rises". He mentioned that flashback scene in which Albert says to young bruce Wayne, "why do we fall, so we can rise". his suggestion of incorporating that scene during the first 2 minutes for TDKR, kinda makes sense if utilized in the right way. I dunno, but said talkbacker gets an A for effort for that explanation. Comments?
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The line wasn't "Why do we fall? So we can rise." It was "Why do we fall? It's so we can learn to pick ourselves back up again."
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June 13, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST
Thanks for the correction skellington216 , it's be awhile since I last watched Begins.
by Stalkeye
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Certainly an A for effort. Maybe the talkbacker is Nolan himself in diguise.
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June 13, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST
skellington216.youi just made me want to rewatch BATMAN BEGINS again.
by AsimovLives
Damn, i love that movie.
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I'd be lying if I said that wasn't also a huge draw for me, too.
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The movie is designed for a mass audience. I'm just hoping licensing keeps 1997 in mind when we got the first Huntress figure and the Anarky mini-series on the heels of a movie that seems have been pitched on the notion that just because Adam West's show got its highest ratings with Liberace...
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Thanks for your creative involvement in Spiderman and As good as it gets. Godspeed
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It is quite true that, since Batman has been my personal fan-obsession since childhood, I'm going to be most critical when an interpretation veers away from the essential elements (as I see them). I think this is why I can enjoy stuff like Spider-man or Iron Man, on film, somewhat. Because, I don't give a s#!t about those characters. So, I'm not expecting anything. But, you do me a slight injustice if you think that is all I have in the quiver, to bolster my BEGINS criticisms --- some kind of unformed fanboy, knee-jerkist, spandex-fetish disappointment. It's just a bad movie. Bad choreography. Bad editing. Bad plot dynamics. Bad dialogue. Bad costume. There's nothing original about it. Little bits and pieces stolen from other artist's interpretations, mushed up, and filmed. Jebus, I'd even seen "Scarecrow on a horse" almost ten years before seeing it in that film. Similarly, Burton's films diverge dramatically from "my" personal favorite Batman, but I don't hate as hard on those two films. You know why? They aren't fukking boring.
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June 13, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST
Come to think of it Asi, I just might re-watch Begins again.
by Stalkeye
especially since I own the Blu-Ray copy. Great film and to be honest, I have watched it 2x more than TDK. Does that make it wrong? LOL
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gotham grenades
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http://www.chud.com/56874/the-dark-knight-rises-teaser-poster/
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and how he fucked him in some extend.
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I have seen BATMAN BEGINS more ofteh then TDK too, but that's just because BB is 6 years old and TDK is 3. More a question of time then anything else. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, both great movies. If The Dark Knight Rises is as good as BB, i'll be very happy. I dare not ask for more.
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June 14, 2011, 2:18 a.m. CST
People bitch about Nolan and his Batman Begins and yet kisses JJ Abrams' ass over Abrams Trek and fall to their keens in complete geekastic submission to the later?
by AsimovLives
How the fuck this place has gone so wrong?
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because you know,JJ 's Nu Trek fucked up royally the Star Trek Mythology with its numerous plotholes and misinterpretation of the original characters. But Nolan,Nolan made masterful movies who elevated the Batman Mythology despite their numerous plotholes and misinterpretation of the original characters. yep.the dictionaries should have a photo of asimov next to the phrase Double Standards.
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Don't be daft. Remove the irony from your post and you got that exactly right. It doesn't take a genious to understand why.
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Starring too much into the abyss and all that.
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i am only stating the fact mate,nothing more,nothing less.
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Look at the tbers names and i bet you'll see the ones who love the new Trek are probably also the same who seem to think BB is flawless. A lot of people who have issues with BB and even TDK also have issues with the new Trek. So stop trying to conveniently lump everything together to fit your own narrative.
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Registered and everything. key things were to always refer to film on set as "Magnus Rex", never say the "B" word especially around "That Nolan fella". I put in my experience with MMA and Security. Most scenes filmed in Pitt will be primarily action-oriented sequences. Exciting Stuff. Also, why is it so far-fetched to think a secret society can exist? I don't know how knowledgeable you are in martial arts, but things like that have existed, and may still. Not entirely sure, but it seems your perception of martial arts is that ninjitsu and other classical styles "don't work". 9 times out of 10 if you put a ninjitsu artist against an MMA fighter, the ninjitsu artist wins. Why? Because in MMA, you're taught to fight with rules, without weapons. You don't train to take a life. So, yes, the League of Shadows is very plausible, maybe not so much in their respective plan to wipe out GC with fear gas and microwave emitters, but as assassins, yes, very plausible. Definitely not trying to come across as an ass, but I figured I'd share a little enlightenment on a controversial subject amongst martial artists of all kinds today.
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You'll have seen 50 percent of the movie on the internet.
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your script is actually pretty good. I particularly liked your twist on the Riddler's motivations... you balanced the three villains pretty well, too. the only bit that was a bit too over-the-top for me (in terms of setting it in the Nolanverse) was the batcopter. don't think anything like that would appear in Nolan's batman films.
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I really appreciate it. And, I understand completely how you feel about the "Batcopter". But the Batmobile drives me nuts sometimes, it would be too easy to follow. If you watch "Batman Begins" when they first introduce the car and have him run from the police, he just turns off his lights and they seem to just lose sight of him. It's a cheat & I wanted to do something,... anything different. But I'm glad you liked the story and I hope the riddles weren't too obvious. Thanks again.
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I really appreciate it. And, I understand completely how you feel about the "Batcopter". But the Batmobile drives me nuts sometimes, it would be too easy to follow. I wanted to do something,... anything different. But I'm glad you liked the story and I hope the riddles weren't too obvious. Thanks again.
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