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3rd TRON movie has a writer... slowly it begins... the absolute TRONification of Earth! Oh yes!

Hey folks, Harry here...  Over at The Hollywood Reporter they're reporting that David DiGilio, a writer who is currently finishing a techno thriller called DAEMON with Walter Parkes!!! - - well, David DiGilio is writing the 3rd TRON film.  As for a time frame on a TRON trio?   Anyone's best guess at this point.   If DiGilio is brilliant and writes profoundly awesome words with neon glows - then it'll probably get fast tracked.   I'm hoping that this third film mops with our minds.   I believe the set-up of this second film has positioned the film to be truly extraordinary.   Can't wait!

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  • June 8, 2011, 1:08 a.m. CST

    I like Tron: Legacy

    by Henry Fool

  • June 8, 2011, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Yaaaaaayyyy Fiiiirst

    by MST3KPIMP

    TRon 3 Bring it ON!

  • June 8, 2011, 1:10 a.m. CST

    THIRD...

    by elwinransom451

    ...time's the charm. Here's hoping that they take the script to Pixar's "War Room" first. Should be a great film, then. I'll see you at elecTRONica at DCA!

  • June 8, 2011, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Tron Legacy SUCKED.

    by Jodie

    And I love that a quirky Coen brothers Western outgrossed it last Christmas.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:12 a.m. CST

    I didn't hate Tron: Legacy

    by Henry Fool

    I didn't love it. I didn't think it was particularly deep, like the first Matrix or James Cameron's director's cut of "The Abyss". I just enjoyed it. It was a much more satisfying Tron film than Star Wars or Indiana Jones were, in respect to the franchises they attempted to revive. It was the only 80's retread that didn't blow. It was a good, though flawed, sequel to a good, though flawed, film. I'd love to see another one. But it has to have Jeff Bridges. Period.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST

    I didn't hate Tron: Legacy

    by Henry Fool

    I didn't love it. I didn't think it was particularly deep, like the first Matrix or James Cameron's director's cut of "The Abyss". I just enjoyed it. It was a much more satisfying Tron film than Star Wars or Indiana Jones were, in respect to the franchises they attempted to revive. It was the only 80's retread that didn't blow. It was a good, though flawed, sequel to a good, though flawed, film. I'd love to see another one. But it has to have Jeff Bridges. Period.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST

    I didn't hate Tron: Legacy

    by Henry Fool

    I didn't love it. I didn't think it was particularly deep, like the first Matrix or James Cameron's director's cut of "The Abyss". I just enjoyed it. It was a much more satisfying Tron film than Star Wars or Indiana Jones were, in respect to the franchises they attempted to revive. It was the only 80's retread that didn't blow. It was a good, though flawed, sequel to a good, though flawed, film. I'd love to see another one. But it has to have Jeff Bridges. Period.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST

    I didn't hate Tron: Legacy

    by Henry Fool

    I didn't love it. I didn't think it was particularly deep, like the first Matrix or James Cameron's director's cut of "The Abyss". I just enjoyed it. It was a much more satisfying Tron film than Star Wars or Indiana Jones were, in respect to the franchises they attempted to revive. It was the only 80's retread that didn't blow. It was a good, though flawed, sequel to a good, though flawed, film. I'd love to see another one. But it has to have Jeff Bridges. Period.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST

    I didn't hate Tron: Legacy

    by Henry Fool

    I didn't love it. I didn't think it was particularly deep, like the first Matrix or James Cameron's director's cut of "The Abyss". I just enjoyed it. It was a much more satisfying Tron film than Star Wars or Indiana Jones were, in respect to the franchises they attempted to revive. It was the only 80's retread that didn't blow. It was a good, though flawed, sequel to a good, though flawed, film. I'd love to see another one. But it has to have Jeff Bridges. Period.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:15 a.m. CST

    ARGGHHH!!

    by Henry Fool

    Sorry, for the repost. My stupid Safari browser just completely glitched. Apple may make cutting edge technology but they're still bugfuck at web browsing. Fuck Steve Jobs and his anti-flash delusions.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST

    So, you didn't hate Tron: Legacy, henry fool?

    by nomihs

    I completely agree. My cousin, who watched it in the theater with me, HATED IT, but then again he didn't really get the first Tron film either, so... But I loved nearly all of it. The de-aging of The Dude seemed about the biggest distraction for me, but despite that, I soaked every inch of that movie into my gray matter.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Jeff Bridges and Bruce Boxleitner bobble-head battle

    by justmyluck

    I have very little interest in TRON:3, with the exception of Daft Punk returning to score it. I'd probably check that out in IMAX aqain, just for the sound. WEBMASTER: I am still being fed these "Apple security center" scareware links and I'm pretty sure it's emanating from a site AICN references through JavaScript (Google Syndication, ad services...SOMEWHERE.). I thought it may have been stored in my browser cache, but I've dumped that five times now and I ONLY get this scareware when loading an AICN TB page. I'm using FireFox for OS X. TYVM!

  • June 8, 2011, 1:34 a.m. CST

    I agree, Tron: Legacy is somehow underrated

    by BillEmic

    I just watched it on blu-ray the other night and it blew me away. I mean, the plot seemed a bit overcooked and overstuffed for just one movie (I gotta read a comic book mini-series and play a video game just to understand what ISOs are?), but I can forgive that. The film just seemed like a world unto itself rather than actors walking in front of a green screen. I really believed I was watching "The Grid." The soundtrack could have benefited from less Hans Zimmer strings and more thumping Daft Punk bass. Also, the overt visual references to Nolan's Batman movies, the original Star Wars, 2001, and David Bowie were a BIT much. But overall, yeah, it was just a kickass movie that successfully revived the Tron franchise.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Tron: Return of Patroclus

    by WesStudious

    ...and who said this fourth brother isn't country strong.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Aronofsky is shopping his Noah's Ark script around Hollywood

    by Bobo_Vision

  • June 8, 2011, 1:48 a.m. CST

    CLU's evil plot was unintentionally hilarious

    by IndustryKiller!

    What was he planning on doing once he got to the real world? He just would have been some dude with a few thousand socially retarded naked people under his command. How exactly was he a threat to anyone other than the local police department? Even that seems a stretch when they just gun him the fuck down. Playing these scenarios in your head is quite entertaining.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:51 a.m. CST

    HenryFool

    by Keith

    My recommendation: try a proper browser such as Opera. (The one that invents the features which Firefox and Chrome steal about a year or so later.)

  • June 8, 2011, 1:54 a.m. CST

    industrykiller

    by Keith

    Yeah, I like thinking about what villainous figures will do if they succeed in their mission. For example, what would the CSM-101 cyborg have done if it had actually succeeded in killing Sarah Connor? I like to think that it would have looked for part-time work in the greater Los Angeles area...maybe operate as a handyman for much of the time, with a second revenue stream from nightclub bouncer work, that kind of thing. Occasionally tell people how they are all doomed, in a matter-of-fact manner.

  • June 8, 2011, 2:10 a.m. CST

    I really really enjoyed TRON: Legacy

    by D.Vader

    And while I think CLU and the others would have somehow retained their powers in the real world, its very funny to think of his army getting rounded up by a bunch of policemen like Arthur and the gang at the end of "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" just before they go on their charge.

  • June 8, 2011, 2:11 a.m. CST

    3rd time's the charm?

    by JuanSanchez

  • June 8, 2011, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Tron:Legacy was dire

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Boring and stupid, two of the worst movie crimes.

  • June 8, 2011, 2:49 a.m. CST

    O.S. 13...

    by bubcus

    I enjoyed Tron:Legacy and I am looking forward to a third jaunt. I'm curious to see if the launch of the "free" OS near the start of Legacy will play a factor in the forthcoming film and if the GRID integrate with it.

  • June 8, 2011, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Safari

    by Henry Fool

    I usually use Firefox but I just happened to have Safari opened. In the fourteen years I have been posting under this account, this is probably only the second or third time I've gotten to post the first comment in a talkback and I come off as a spamming troll.<br /> <br /> Sorry, AICN community!!!

  • June 8, 2011, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Safari

    by Henry Fool

    I usually use Firefox but I just happened to have Safari opened. In the fourteen years I have been posting under this account, this is probably only the second or third time I've gotten to post the first comment in a talkback and I come off as a spamming troll.<br /> <br /> Sorry, AICN community!!!

  • June 8, 2011, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Tron : Legacy is hardly connected (plot wise) to Tron at all.

    by V'Shael

    It's like a sequel to a movie that was never made, but we all remember. It's like the Ed Norton in the Incredible Hulk movie, showing us scenes from the non-existant first movie, starring him, inspired by the old TV series. The third movie will be a fucking mess, because (and god damn it people, you should know this by now) they hadn't a fucking clue what they were aiming for with the second movie. They had no direction in mind. No plan. No end destination. And that, my dear talkbackers, is how you make a shitty movie.

  • A fun movie, especially the sound track and visuals on the Blu Ray. The plot was crazy, but fun. I dont know I guess you just have to have the mind to accept the sci fi plots wildness and go with it.

  • June 8, 2011, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Just needs MORE this time.

    by Richard

    What upset me was I got more buzz out of watching the bootleg comic con footage with the crowd screaming than I did the entire movie.

  • June 8, 2011, 3:28 a.m. CST

    I liked Tron more than I thought I would

    by Bass Ackwards

    Given the reviews and that I still have never seen the original I thought it'd be DOA, but I actually liked it, in no small part due to the soundtrack which goes a long ways towards propelling the movie forward. Also Olivia Wilde, who for whatever reason kind of always annoyed me, was very likable here (could be the skin tight outfit), and I even thought Garret Hedlund did just fine, especially compared to the genuine wooden blocks that are some his similar looking peers such as Paul Walker or Channing Tatum. So I certainly wouldn't mind a sequel, and I think the film's lackluster box office actually serves it well here, as this seems like the kind of film where a writer really needs to sit down and figure out how to make the next step in this story. Had this film been a big smash we'd get a studio mandated release date with Orci and Kurtzman locked in a room for two days banging words to paper.

  • June 8, 2011, 3:45 a.m. CST

    I loved Tron Legacy

    by Righteous Brother

    In fact I'm screening it for my friends who haven't seen it, round mine on Saturday night.

  • June 8, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    tron:the next day writer?

    by Oranj23

    Whoever made the extra feature .... can't they give that guy a shot? I liked the movie, but that was the best take on the actual universe...

  • June 8, 2011, 5:42 a.m. CST

    by ihatetalkbacks

    I thought people had gambled their house and AICN internet persona that there would not be a 3rd sequel and that they had proved it through rigorous economic study of the box office returns. I am glad there will be another "discussion" of the artistic merits of the film and also if House music is bleepy bloopy shit too. Can we all agree on some things for a change? - Legacy did look like a continuation of the first film - Yori did not HAVE to be in it - Daft Punk were a good fit for the score - They should not have "just made the Tron2.0 game into a film - The film did drag a little - No one knows the advertising budget - Tron was actually in the film - The head did wobble but did not ruin the film - Sam did come across as a sulking kid because he was one - The film must have made a profit - David Warner could not be in it - he declined a role - People that liked it are not DOUCHEBAGS - People that did not like it are not DOUCHEBAGS

  • June 8, 2011, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Catchtheman

    by ihatetalkbacks

    thanks for re-affirming my view of talkbacks!

  • June 8, 2011, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Hope he can write...

    by OgreYouAsshole

    cause Legacy's dialog was terrible. Spend all that time on fantastic visual effects & ya don't bring in someone who can write a lick? Makes zero sense.

  • June 8, 2011, 6:34 a.m. CST

    A W E S O M E !!!

    by NeonFrisbee

    I love both Tron flicks. The first is *easily* the most psychedelic movie of the 80s. Legacy was absolutely gorgeous in terms of sound and vision. The narrative got a little bogged down in the middle, but otherwise, it's WAY better and WAY smarter than it's given credit for. I REALLY hope this 3rd one actually happens. Also: it should focus pretty much primarily on Quorra as she is the best character in Legacy, not to mention absolutely beautiful and HAWT!

  • June 8, 2011, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Because the third movie in a trilogy is always AWESOME!

    by AlienFanatic

    Godfather 3, RoTJ, Matrix Revolutions, Spider-Man 3.... Three cheers for mediocrity!

  • June 8, 2011, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Daemon is a great novel

    by Jack Burton

    If this is based on the novel then I sincerely hope they don't fuck it up. A lot of big ideas in the book, and the finale (called Freedom) even more so. It takes a very anti-corporation, pro-revolution stance. Well worth reading, damn good thriller and actually gives hope of breaking free from our overly regulated and controlled lives at the hands of government and global conglomerates, albeit through a complete rejection of the old paradigms. Daniel Suarez I believe is the author. I could give a shit less about Tron 3. Legacy was beautifully shot but pretty stupid. My favorite part was when my kids (we watched at home) asked "Where's Cora?" at the end and I said, "She's a program so I guess she's on the chip around his neck." Then you see her standing outside as a human and I said "Or this movie makes no freaking sense." Truly horrible ending.

  • June 8, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Excelent!

    by HughHoyland

    Seen the original when I was 12 and while I found it mostly boring there was also something intriguing about it as well (not exactly sure what though). Only recently have I watched it again and I appreciate it much more now than I did back then. Legacy on the other hand was every bit as beautiful as Avatar IMO. I could actually sense this other universe and I dig that a lot. Also I really didnt see any big problems with the story. It kept my interest for apx 2 hours so it works for me. Bring on the sequel!. :]

  • June 8, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy

    by Shan

    They actually covered something along those lines in the Sarah Connor Chronicles. A Terminator on its mission to assassinate the governor of California (yes, I know) arrived several decades too early and so passed the time by taking over or founding a building company and actually turned out to be quite a good employer. Yes this was because his arrival accidentally killed the man destined in the earlier timeline to build the building that the governor would give a speech at which he was meant to be assassinated at, necessitating the Terminator had to make sure that the building was still built but it did unintentionally lead to the creation of a very enlightened workplace for those times.

  • June 8, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST

    stop giving away spoilers jackasses!

    by Titus05

    not everyone has seen the movie...I wish AICN would delete posts that give away spoilers in their TV/movie threads like other sites do

  • June 8, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST

    there should be a 1 year spoiler free rule

    by Titus05

    1 year after the date of the theatrical release before spoilers can be discussed...that will give everyone who is interested in the movie enough time to have seen it, either in the theater, on Blu-ray, Netflix, HBO etc...after a year if you havn't seen it then you probably have no interest in it

  • June 8, 2011, 8:18 a.m. CST

    or at the very least write 'SPOILER' in the subject line

    by Titus05

  • June 8, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    For crying out loud, titus05

    by rev_skarekroe

    The DVDs been out for months. Get with the fucking program.

  • June 8, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Titus

    by BlueHawaiiSurfer

    Vader was the father of young Luke!!!! :o|

  • June 8, 2011, 8:42 a.m. CST

    I didn't care for Tron Legacy on my first viewing...

    by Ryan

    ...but I have watched it twice since then and I seem to like it more and more. I have to say if Jeff Bridges is not in 3 then my interest will go way down. And titus05, DON'T CLICK ON THE FUCKING TRON RELATED LINK!

  • June 8, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Titus

    by Cletus Van Damme

    Bruce Willis' was dead the whole time.

  • June 8, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    good job melonman

    by Titus05

    writing 'Spoiler' in the subject line...wish more people would do the same...I'm hesitant to read the Game of Thrones thread because some fool might give away a major spoiler from the books

  • June 8, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Watched half of Tron: Legacy last night, Got bored.

    by cookylamoo

    It's like the villain has taken over the grid so he can play this endless video game which I guess he considers perfection. There's only two human beings in the world and neither one is all that likable.

  • June 8, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST

    titus05 - you fucking retard

    by LordPorkington

    Do *NOT* come to a Tron talkback and whine about spoilers if you haven't even bothered to watch the movie yet. If you were really that bothered by spoilers, you'd have seen the movie by now. And don't come up with some lame arse excuse like 'Oh, I haven't had time to see it yet.' Total and utter bollocks. Little prats like you make me sick. Now do yourself and the rest of the world a favour and fuck off. Cheers.

  • June 8, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    lordporkington

    by Titus05

    you're an idiot...I should be able to click on any thread I want without being subject to spoilers...this thread is about a new TRON movie, not a place to discuss the previous movie...and yes I havn't had time to see TRON Legacy

  • June 8, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Like I Always Said...

    by MakNeil

    the odds that there would be a sequel to Tron: Legacy were high. After all, people need to keep in mind that the original film was considered by many to be a box office failure, while the sequel pulled in (at least) $400 million dollars. Marketing was expensive, but necessary to get the film out there. The sequel will not need as much advertising and–as the article states–will take advantage of pre-existing sets, making the whole undertaking less expensive. I am guessing that the whole undertaking comes in somewhere in the $120 million dollar ballpark, not including advertising costs. I wouldn't say it's a slam-dunk as of yet, though it's close.

  • June 8, 2011, 9:13 a.m. CST

    re: Quorra in the Real World...

    by Lobanhaki2

    They already set up that CLU could take his army and his machines into the real world, so Quorra showing up wasn't such a stretch. Now, if you want an idea that really fucks with your head, try thinking about this: Sam escaped with this father's disc. Consider the implications of that.

  • June 8, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    titus

    by Keith

    I think your position is slightly shaky. Would you have expected a discussion of Return of the Jedi not to have mentioned anything about the Luke/Vader relationship revelations in the second movie? If so, I suspect you may find that life is full of disappointments.

  • June 8, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST

    How Quorra ended up in the real world

    by SifoDyasJr

    1. She has Kevin Flynn's disc. 2. There are carbon and water storage tanks next to the laser with Kevin Flynn's physical 'matter' in them (as well as Sam's). Now how they would have explained Clu and his legion escaping to the real world? I have no idea, but the writers did figure out how at least one digital person could have escaped.

  • June 8, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Oh, and I fucking LOVE Tron: Legacy

    by SifoDyasJr

    It's not perfect, but I greatly appreciate what's there (and isn't that the point of the movie?)

  • June 8, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy

    by Titus05

    I stated that spoilers should not be allowed for 1 year to give people enough time to see it...anything longer then that is fair game...even 6-8 months would be fine...but too many people come on these threads on Day 1 of a movie's release and scream that "Wolverine made a cameo" to ruin the experience for others...other forums delete those kind of posts and it should happen here as well

  • June 8, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    What???

    by SifoDyasJr

    Wolverine made a cameo? Thanks a lot misterdarcy... :/

  • June 8, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST

    For consistency, they should make the next film in 30 years' time ...

    by unclemonty666

    ... just like they should have made the Star Wars prequels without CGI and with people who looked like they lived in the '70s (ie. with greasy, long hair and fluffy sideburns).

  • June 8, 2011, 9:34 a.m. CST

    titus05 WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you fucking stupid bitch

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I did not know who the cameo was in xmen first class - I was going to see it tonight. I managed to hold out by avoiding the xmen first class topics for the last few days...........and now here in a fucking tron tb you spoiled it for me. and to top it off you spoiled it while complaining about others spoiling a movie that's been on fucking dvd for months now. Thanks a lot cunt.

  • June 8, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    titus05 seriously

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    go watch tron legacy and eat shit you dumb troll bitch

  • June 8, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    titus05 you should fucking apologize

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    bitch

  • June 8, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    I love TRON: legacy

    by mistergreen

    It will be a cult hit 10 years later. I understand why the general public didn't catch on to it but F them. It made 400 million world wide so makes sense there's a sequel coming. The ending was awesome btw.

  • June 8, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    "You're messing with my Zen thing, man"

    by mistergreen

  • June 8, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    titus05, for fucks sake

    by LordPorkington

    This is a thread about the *THIRD* movie, not the second movie (that you can't be bothered to watch but can be bothered to fucking bitch about on here). You seem to be able to find the time to whine about it on here, but you can't seem to find the time to actually go out and buy it (yes, it's been out so long now that it's actually finished it's theatrical run and is available to watch in the comfort of your own home). Don't read a thread concerning the third movie if you don't want anything ruined for yourself, it's called common sense, I suggest you look into getting some. And you sure as hell shouldn't wander in here and start placing your own restrictions on this website, such as 'spoilers shouldn't be allowed until a year after the movie has been released'. Seriously? So we're all supposed to sit around twiddling our fucking thumbs until you've decided to finally get around to watching a movie that we all bothered to see when it was initially released? Have you annoyed me? You quite obviously have, and I thank you for that. It's people like you, who lack any kind of common sense, that make me totally and utterly fucking sick. Yes, you're not murderer, or a paedophile, and you've probably never done any real harm to anyone in your life, but it's just the small, day-to-day stupidity like this that really pisses me off. Idiots tapping their feet against the back of your chair in the cinema when you're trying to watch a movie, morons not using blinkers to indicate which way they're turning because they can't be bothered to flick a little indicator lever, groups of braindead cunts who stop to have a chat in the street and bloke the pavement for everyone trying to get past them. It's just the little acts of complete stupidity that I encounter each and every day that drive me insane. Am I totally innocent? Probably not, we're all only human, but what you're doing here today on this talkback is utterly moronic, it really is. Can't you see that? It's totally obvious to anyone with at least half a brain.

  • June 8, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Now see what you did? Typos everywhere!

    by LordPorkington

    I meant 'a murderer' and 'block' not 'bloke'. It's the 21st century and we still don't have edit buttons on here? Yes, I'm angry about that too. Now, I'm off to do some charity work or some other bullshit to make me feel better about the world. And myself.

  • June 8, 2011, 10 a.m. CST

    And your X-Men: First Class spoiler

    by LordPorkington

    What can I say that hasn't already been said by my fellow talkbackers above? You just shot yourself in the fucking foot you nobjockey. Well done. Well done. Now come back and defend yourself if you dare. Personally, I wouldn't bother, because you can't. At least some good has come of all this, and that's this - I'll be looking out for your name in other threads now. So cheers for that.

  • June 8, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST

    I might jump into a few threads and use the 'find' feature

    by LordPorkington

    And then type the name 'titus05' to see what other fucking nonsense you've decided to spout on AICN. Yes, I'll do that instead of the charity work, it'll make me feel so much better and I could do with a damn good laugh. I hope I don't find you praising Ferris Bueller's Day Off or The Empire Strikes Back or something totally bipolar like that, because then I'll be forced to agree with you and maybe think that you're not so fucking retarded after all. Nah, you'll still be a little cunt.

  • June 8, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    titus05 do you have any other xmen first class spoilers you want to throw out?

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    titus05 do you have any other xmen first class spoilers you want to throw out? Maybe you can tell me the ending as well? I mean it makes NO sense to mention a spoiler to a movie currently IN THEATERS for not even a full fucking week. And to top it off you wrote that shit in a fucking TRON thread? But then you are pissed because people mention plot points to a tron movie - in a tron TB relating to a fucking movie that hit dvd in fucking April.

  • June 8, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Can anyone here defend titus05?

    by LordPorkington

    Is it just me that he's pissed off so badly as to go off on a total rant? He's made me look like a total fucking psycho! Maybe I am? Maybe it's me that's the fucking idiot? Maybe those people kicking the back of my seat while I'm trying to watch a movie are the normal people and it's me that's the mental degenerate? Should I go and put my head into a blender and if I survive then that's proof that I'm normal? Does that sound like a good idea to anyone? I'll take your vote as read titus05. I'll collect votes from everyone else and then tally them up a year from now. That's assuming my head hasn't already exploded between now and then of it's own abolition.

  • June 8, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST

    lordporkington

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I'm with you man.

  • June 8, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Oh God, I think I'm having a nervous breakdown

    by LordPorkington

    Is this my midlife crisis happening in a fucking Tron talkback on AICN news? My wife wants a giant fishtank for her birthday but wants me to maintain it. I didn't even want the two Maltese dogs that we ended up with and that I have to take out for a walk everyday, never mind some fucking tropical fish! Should I dye my hair blue and buy a sportscar or something? Is this how I'm supposed to cope with all of this shit? I'm only 35! Shouldn't I still be living at home with mother and collecting mint condition Star Wars figures? How come I never got the chance to complete Super Mario Land? Why the fuck have I got a mortgage? Sure, I visited Japan before I got married, but I never made it as far as Australia. We'll be having kids soon, I'll never make it to Oz now, will I? Is this all that's left? I might just use AICN as my public meltdown. Like a blog, but without voluntary followers. titus05, I thank you for allowing me to find a forum to get me into my early 40's without having to resort to cheating on my wife or going out and slaughtering random members of the public. Oh look, 'Falling Down' starring Michael Douglas just started on tv. This looks like a fun romp for all the family! Yes, I'll definitely sit down with a Jack 'n' Coke and watch this...

  • June 8, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Changed my mind

    by LordPorkington

    Nanny McPhee Return is on HBO. I'll watch that instead.

  • June 8, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by LordPorkington

    Will you be my special friend and watch Nanny McPhee Returns with me please? By the way, I'm sorry about your Rancor. I cried along with you back in '83. I really thought Luke was going to talk him into joining the Rebellion and fucking Jabba's shit up before letting him loose on Endor, before finally settling down with the Ewoks. The Rancor and Wicket would have made great friends. And I really am watching Nanny McPhee Returns. She's currently sitting in a field, having a picnic with some English looking kids and pointing to some medals on her chest. Don't know what she's saying though. I'm not fucking stupid enough to actually have the sound on.

  • June 8, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    I'm not going to lie.

    by Dollar Bird

    I thought the first "Tron" was visual fun and had some thrills, but it never was my favorite movie by any means. But I really enjoyed "Legacy" way more than I thought I would. Yeah, CLU's face looked a little off; this will sound ridiculous, but it never looked like any air was coming out of his mouth when he spoke. When he was silent, he looked fine; when he talked, it looked bad. I cannot explain it. But for the most part, it was fun, a visual treat, the music was good, and I liked the stakes. Yes, there were some realism potholes, as mentioned here. It was my understanding, too, that Quorra was half biological, half program, which is why I believed that she could make it in the real world and not just come out as a bunch of code. Then again, all we are is a bunch of code.

  • June 8, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    melonman

    by LordPorkington

    Has anyone made a good movie about this midlife crisis bullshit? Will Tron 3 cover such important topics? Will he be forced to sell his racy lightcycle in favour of a more roomy lightSUV that he can fit a lightbuggy, and other fucking stupid items with the word 'light' attached to the front of them, into the back? And concerning the dogs, I was never a fan of 'little dogs', I was always a black lab and golden retriever kind of guy, but I've grown attached to these two little bastards. Does that mean I'm beyond repair now? Oh look, Nanny McPhee Returns is set in London! How wonderfully delightful! She's like an ugly Mary Poppins! Ha ha haaa!

  • June 8, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    lordporkington despite your online nervous breakdown and raving insanity

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I'm still with you! lol

  • June 8, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST

    finally watched it in 3D the other day

    by the new transported man

    It was just OK. Lots of really lame lines, e.g. "now THAT's a big door", "you've GOTTA be kidding me", "oh HELL naw", & "you've got mail!" The grid, though, that was so awesome. The nightclub, lightbikes, all of it ruled. Especially when that one guy who lost at Brain-Disk fell apart into tiny blocks, such a cool shot. But style prevailed over substance.

  • June 8, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST

    No "Star Wars" Spoilers, please. Just being proactive.

    by Playkins

    I mean, come on- there are people that might not have seen it yet.

  • June 8, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Tron Legacy was a terrible film

    by D o o d

    and 3 times worse in 3D! So why are they making another...? oh yeah, money!

  • June 8, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Luke talking the Rancor into joining the Rebellion

    by the new transported man

    Thanks for that, that is the LOLZ, & should've been the central plot of ROTJ.

  • June 8, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Not the bees! Not the bees!

    by SmokingRobot

    Sorry for the spoiler. Oh, and I loved Tron Legacy.

  • June 8, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Can't be worse that Tron Legacy

    by UCB Agent1

    Really, it can't because that film was garbage, and the people who love it are deluded man-children like Harry who love nostalgia for nostalgia's sake. Hell, maybe we'll learn why the ISO's were so special they got genocided by CLU, or why if Flynn Sr. could pretty much change the makeup of that world he didn't do it until the very end. Or how CLU's troops would go about actually exiting the system or how any of their weapons and vehicles would even work in the real world. After all "Legacy" was a set up movie, right? That means we can ignore it's glaring plot holes and flaws if they're answered in Tron 3, right guys?

  • June 8, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Legecy was coma-inducingly dull

    by biscuithead

    IMax, 3D, loud as fuck, adrenaline-pumping CGI, Daft Punk........and yet I still fell asleep. Shite.

  • June 8, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Let's just get all the spoilers out of the way for Titus, shall we?

    by Dollar Bird

    Rosebud was the sled. Planet of the Apes is Earth. The brittle bone guy was the criminal mastermind. The girlfriend is actually a dude. The villagers were living in modern times all along. Nicole Kidman and her family are all ghosts. Bruce Willis is a ghost. The guy on the floor was Jigsaw and he's still alive. Tyler Durden and the narrator are the same person. Norman Bates dresses like his mom. Briony made up the whole happy ending as an atonement. Sharon Stone is the killer. Russell Crowe's friends are all in his mind. And the entire series "Newhart" was a dream had by the main character from "The Bob Newhart Show." Now you don't need to watch any of those things because, I guess, the only enjoyment in seeing them comes from not knowing what will happen. Nothing else in the film matters. Not the acting, not the music, not the sets and costumes, not the dialogue, not the effects, not the catering. Only ignorance of the plot turns matters.

  • June 8, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    !st Class spoilers.....

    by dave

    Haven't seen it and and I am not going to post any but giving away a cameo is hardly reason to start bitching and moaning rancor I mean really...

  • June 8, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    my points are all valid

    by Titus05

    3 options...either 1) put SPOILER in your subject 2) no spoilers for 6 months or 3) AICN mods need to delete spoiler posts...as far as X:Men: First Class I havn't seen it yet...I just read some talkbacks about it which ruined a lot of the surprises...it's obvious fat_rancor_keeper was just trying to be witty by saying that he hasn't seen First Class yet...and lordporkington needs to cut back on the Xanax

  • June 8, 2011, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Did Legacy even have a screenplay?

    by Flip63Hole

    I didn't make it through the whole thing, but man, what major suckage... For the love of cheesy classic films, leave TRON be...

  • June 8, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Thank you, Rancor Monster, for joining the Rebellion.

    by the new transported man

    We're off to the Rebel Base. You have your own vehicle, right?

  • June 8, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    TRON: LEGACY > AVATAR

    by NeonFrisbee

    I liked Avatar, but the hamfisted message telegraphed from Dances With Wolves was rather simplistic and obvious to a fault. Also, as cool as pretty as the visuals were in Avatar, it was also TOO MUCh -- too busy, too much going on in every frame (basically the same as the Star Wars prequels). Tron:Legacy actually has a rather cool and unique take on the mad scientist / frankenstein idea AND an intelligent mediation on how bright-eyed idealism can go horribly wrong. It wanders into an info-dump / exposition bog in the middle, but then the action starts right up again. In addition, even the leaden exposition in the middle is made interesting by the fact that the visuals were GORGEOUS. It's easily the most beautiful looking and sounding film I've seen on the screen in years. The EFX were WAY better than Avatar, in other words (imho). I don't want to live in a hot, sweaty rainforest, I want to live in a cold, minimalist electro-wonderland.

  • June 8, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    titus05

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "it's obvious fat_rancor_keeper was just trying to be witty by saying that he hasn't seen First Class yet" uh no cunt - try again. You stupidly spoiled a cameo to a movie in a thread NOT even related to that movie. And you did so while pointlessly defending your own idiotic argument. Now man up and apologize bitch. wickedpete - fuck off and stay out of others affairs.

  • June 8, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    perhaps I can also say........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    It's obvious titus05 was just trying to be witty by saying that he hasn't seen tron legacy yet. Anyway thanks for spoiling the cameo to a movie I was going to see tonight asshole. And thanks for spoiling it for any others who have tried to stay spoil free until now. But I guess I should have know better to avoid a Tron TB where such a spoiler (for a brand new film) was bound to randomly show up.

  • June 8, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    What if Flynn made Sam via the Grid

    by TheJudger

    I read that idea somewhere (could have been here) and thought it it was really interesting.

  • June 8, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by Titus05

    scan a copy of your ticket for tonight's showing...stop making stuff up

  • June 8, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Fuck you titus

    by redkamel

    Thanks for spoiling the cameo in X-men I was going to see it tonight. You dumb shit that was the only part of the movie I would have been genuinely suprised at. I am hoping it Trons on fucking DVD and it was out a while ago. Xmen is still in theaters. You are a fucking idiot. Heres a common sense rule for you: If its still in theaters, its gonna get a spoiler tag. If its on DVD or very near the end of its run, it won't. Your points are not valid. Lord_porkington you were spot on. I feel for you, and I don't know what to say. Fuck, take the kids to Oz and go feed a koala. You were especially accurate about the day to day stupidity. A arrow of words well aimed!

  • thanks for the support

  • June 8, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Damn you

    by redkamel

    You did the same thing to me, made me a shit writer in the heat of the moment. You ruined Xmen for two people who were going to see it tonight. Rancor Keeper said it all. "I am hoping it" should read "I am hoping that wasn't the only surprise left". Harry should ban accounts of people like this, they aren't even entertaining, they are just pricks.

  • June 8, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    DAFT PUNK

    by thommcg

    That's about all there worth noting in TRON: Legacy. The 24-bit, 96kHz Vinyl rip is awesome.

  • June 8, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Tron: Olivia Wilde Gets Naked

    by iceman199

    That I would see.

  • June 8, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    titus05 ........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    okay so I'm a liar is your defense? typical weak comeback for a cunt that knows he's wrong and fucked up. It's not even worth arguing over. You can't man up and simply apologize because you are a bitch. That's a FACT. I also find it interesting that it's somehow MORE likely that you didn't see Tron Legacy which came out last year....and you have yet to see it on DVD although it's been on dvd since April? But yet I somehow saw X-men fist class which just hit theaters on Friday? Okay yeah that makes sense. You suck at life bro.

  • June 8, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    last thing

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "in a roundabout way rancor is actually agreeing with me about spoilers" Well if your original argument was that a TB'er should not enter a thread and spoil a cameo in a brand new movie in a thread THAT IS NOT EVEN ABOUT THAT MOVIE - then yeah I agree. retard

  • June 8, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I'm waiting for Tron Legacy to hit HBO

    by Titus05

    those Wednesday night screenings are awesome...Wednesday night= the new Friday night...or maybe it's one of those discount half price showings

  • June 8, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    wow

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    okay so now we're questioning the possibility of people seeing movies on fucking Wednesday nights? Your logic is non-existent and your hypocrisy is waaaaaaaay out of hand. Also by your warped logic isn't it just as likely I can be "busy" and not see xmen until its on fucking dvd?

  • June 8, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    asshole

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    every word you type may as well be duh duh duh duh duh duh

  • you're not busy rancor...you're just socially awkward...hence the supposed Wed. night screening...Friday nights are too crowded...you need your space away from the people who have scorned and teased you all your life...do you sit in the last row?...can't wait for the lights to turn off?

  • June 8, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Haters

    by Tank Williams

    If your no fan of Tron? Why are you wasting your time on Harry's post. Get a life. Get a job. Get a girlfriend, YOU PATHETIC PIECE OF SHIT! Tron is badass, im out.

  • June 8, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Avatar=Dances with wolves

    by Tank Williams

    Yes they had a similar plot, get over it. Avatar was groundbreaking visually, plot wise it was lame. We all know, put it to rest.

  • June 8, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I guess the only time in history that movies were kinda

    by UltraTron

    written to be made as one whole thing was superman 1&2 and maybe lord of the rings. Mario Puzo wrote superman 1&2 as one big 2 part movie. Now it's just- hey buddy, can you come write a sequel to this thing for us? We have a lot of neat ideas dangling about here to work with- see here is biodigital jazz! That's a neat one. See what you can come up with for that. Ok so since my idea for Tron Ultra was so much better than Legacy- can we now all agree that I should write this? Seriously. I mean we can just keep eating shit- I'm fine with that too. But if I can be of service..

  • June 8, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    okay so now you are going to just take the debate to childish territory

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ....because on the internet when you're 10000% wrong...the next best thing is to sit there like a useless twat and type up generic insults about the other person and make them out to be a weirdo or a loser. In other words you are taking the lazy/predictable approach. You have now constructed my entire life story based a few posts and me seeing a movie on a Wednesday? You know zero about me personally, nor is that even remotely relevant to the actual discussion at hand. I cannot even begin to take you seriously anymore. Don't take it out on me because you can't even summon up the manhood to admit when you clearly fucked up.

  • ...we'd all be, very, very fortunate. Debate over dialogue quality aside, it was a perfectly constructed story, with everything paying off earlier foreshadowing or acting as an homage to the original film- arranged in a way to reward multiple viewings. It's funny, actually- 99% of the complaints people have about supposed plot holes or questions about story elements are explained in one of the two movies, they just weren't paying attention or forgot (for example, you don't need to read a comic or play a video game to know what an ISO is- Jeff Bridges tells you more about ISOs in Legacy than Obi-Wan tells you about Jedi in ANH, in a scene of very similar structure and intent). Call it "Ebert criticisms", if you will.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    As long as Quorra is back..

    by xsikal

    ...and wearing her little outfit, I am there. I actually quite enjoyed Tron:Legacy, which I was not expecting to. I don't think it was a great film by any stretch, but it has stuck with me for longer than many other, arguably better, movies.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Hating on Tron: Legacy is fun

    by UCB Agent1

    Because it's a terrible movie. Watching people construct elaborate defenses for it is entertaining. Like the guy who said that the screenplay is well constructed, or at least better than half of what Hollywood puts out. Now, that's damning with faint praise!

  • June 8, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    What did you expect to read about the 3rd movie

    by Bass Ackwards

    that wouldn't give away plot points about the 2nd movie? Exhibit some judgement. Titus, you've spent the entire thread being a jackass, just shut the fuck up and move on.

  • agreed the dude is either a troll or a complete retard

  • June 8, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Quorra wasn't a digital person or a program

    by Dave underwood

    She was an organic lifeform, so she would have no problem leaving the grid.

  • June 8, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Was Avatar Groundbreaking Visually, Though?

    by NeonFrisbee

    It didn't look all that different from the Star Wars prequels. It looked good, don't get me wrong, and the derivative story worked (especially the wish-fulfillment angle - white guy gets to pretend he's down with the injuns AND gets his legs back AND fucks the Thundersmurf in her USB port), but I didn't really see anything that blew my mind or was all that terribly different than any other cg heavy movie. The thing with Tron: Legacy, visually, is that it was minimalist and clean and cold and beautiful. When is the last time anyone had the balls to go minimalist? Instead of cramming every centimeter of the frame with crap, it left alot of space for the scenes to breath. You could feel this cold, distance in every frame, with this gorgeous kinda neon light trim to frame everything. Also, the use of light was fantastic. Like when stuff blew up and shattered, there would also be this flash of light that collapsed into some kind of digital distortion. Then, of course, there was the sound and soundtrack, which should have been nominated and won. I mean, look, I know everyone has to get on their knees and suck Cameron's cock, and I agree Avatar was a good movie, but it wasn't a great one. I can't say that Tron:Legacy was a GREAT film either, but it was a good one, better than Avatar, and much smarter than it's given credit for.

  • June 8, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Spoilers are for movies in theaters...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Also don't come on to articles about sequels to movies then. Because most likely there will be spoilers about the plot to discuss what should happen in the next film. Also Legacy has been on DVD for a little while. If you haven't rented/purchased it yet that is your fault. It's different when it's in theaters. Like I'm avoiding all Super 8 reviews and TB's to avoid being spoiled. It's easy.

  • June 8, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    neonfrisbee, we've see minimalist computer landscapes before

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    The visuals in Tron Legacy were no different from parts of the Matrix sequels.

  • June 8, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Tron: Legacy was cool. The haters here just seem weak.

    by Andrew Coleman

    I mean you can hate movies. It's all good. Just some of the guys bashing people who like it are obviously trolls. The logic doesn't make sense. So it's totally okay to hate on movies but people who like movies need "defenses" or some large reason. Fuck you. If you didn't like it, it's all good. Just seems weird you come on here about a sequel to it. If it was that bad why do you care? Like I said hating a movie or thinking it sucks is totally fine. Just being a troll about it is lame as shit. Oh Legacy was sweet. Perfect? No. But it's Tron. So get over it.

  • June 8, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Even the original Tron was weak...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    Never got the geek love for it. A very stodgy and boring film.

  • Yeah i saw the article about Super-8 and I'm staying away from it too. If I don't get around to seeing it though in theaters you wont catch me on here next year, months after the movie is out on dvd complaining like an asshole that somebody spoiled a plot-point for me....while simultaneously spoiling items from other current movies. That's something only cunts do. The icing on the cake though is when someone like that refuses to man up and admit they fucked up. Instead of apologizing they resort to weak tactics, lies and generic insults. Again, that's something only cunts do.

  • June 8, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    turd_gravy

    by the new transported man

    The visuals in Tron Legacy are definitively different from those in the Matrix movies. For starters, they were uniquely created for Tron Legacy, while the Matrix movies' visuals were uniquely created for the Matrix movies.

  • June 8, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    titus05: SPOILERS

    by A_Banned_Apart

    You will continue to receive a lot of hate on talkbacks from a few people, which you will only make worse by being overly defensive and occasionally childish in your responses. Eventually you will enjoy the attention so much that you will make the full transition into the role of Yet Another Semipro Troll. (I apologize for revealing these spoilers less than your rather arbitrary six months after they have actually happened.)

  • June 8, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    jack burton: Daemon

    by lv_426

    I haven't read Freedom TM yet, but Daemon was pretty entertaining. It was a bit of a stretch in the believability factor though. Then again, so are the Tron films. I wouldn't mind seeing a big budget film adaptation of Daemon, or a mature miniseries version done by AMC, HBO, or Showtime.

  • June 8, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    What's to hate about TRON LEGACY, anyway?

    by AsimovLives

    And i'm the guy who's accused of nitpicking on movies? Please! At least i piss on shitty movies that deserve it.

  • June 8, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by AsimovLives

    It's hard to escape from a Super 8 talkback in here because AICN throwns a new one at us everyday. Everyday.

  • June 8, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    WHAT? The Matrix Sequels? Minimalist? Are You Kidding?

    by NeonFrisbee

    Vancouver in green tint looks NOTHING like Tron:Legacy. Okay, maybe the end of Reloaded where they're in the hallway with all the Smiths and/or right after that when he's talking to the Colonel Sanders of the Interwebs. Those scenes were about as close to minimalist as any of the Matrix movies approached. They were *kinda* minimalist, but not like Tron:Legacy which fully embraced it and made it beautiful. Also, the Matrix sequels (hell, even the first one) were intensely ugly with this weird, queasy, green color palette. Btw, The Matrix was total rip off of Tron to begin with. Well, okay, Tron and PKDick. In short: The Trons > The Matrixes.

  • June 8, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I know its been brought up before

    by Bass Ackwards

    But why can't a movie be discussed on its own merits or faults? I never understand this need to support a movie you like by trying to tear down other movies.

  • June 8, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Avatar looked like..

    by Righteous Brother

    a Prog Rock LP cover from the 70's. I fucking love Tron Legacy. I cannot understand how anyone can call it boring, unless they're chronic ADD sufferers.

  • June 8, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Tron Legacy wasn't overcooked, it was just stupid.

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    Just underwhelming, poorly written nonsense. Kiddy fluff masquerading as high philosophy. It was just fucking God awful. -- but the sound track was good.

  • June 8, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    asimovlives: What's not to hate about Tron legacy?

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    Should we really do this?

  • June 8, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    dr_pepperspray

    by AsimovLives

    You jest, sir.

  • Really, pissing on TRON LEGACY? Really? Of all the shit out there, on TRON LEGACY? On that particular movie? And you call yourself geeks? For shame, really! You should know better.

  • June 8, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    "Tron Legacy wasn't overcooked, it was just stupid."

    by AsimovLives

    As stupid as Abrams Trek?

  • June 8, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    3D looked better on my home system than in the theater

    by nyj_et

    I was kind of disappointed with it in the theater and then plesantly surprised at home.

  • June 8, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Tl wasnt as bad as some make it out to be.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    the cg jeff bridges worked great in the tron world....but was distractingly bad in the opening scene. other than that - it was fun and I'd be up for a tron 3.

  • June 8, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Asimov: You know my feelings about Abram's ST.

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    No, Scott Pilgrim was a fun night at the movies. It had action, comedy and didn't take it self a bit seriously, something like Tron Legacy was mostly boring and when it made attempts to be insightful it just came off as stupid. <P> Sorry, but Tron wasn't anything more then a Michael Bay movie. All flash and no substance.

  • June 8, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I will believe it when i see it.Until then

    by KilliK

    NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

  • June 8, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    ucb agent1- it's not an "elaborate defense".

    by TheSecondQuest

    There have been few, if any, major films with a screenplay as well constructed as Legacy's since it came out (an observation that, in all likelihood, could be applied to an extended period of time preceding it's release as well). That's not something that takes a significant amount of explanation to convey- it's quite obvious with even just 2 viewings of the film (though you're more likely to discover more of it's subtleties with 3 or more, 2 is sufficient for the broadstrokes). Now, there have been films with screenplays with better dialogue or greater complexity and detail since then and before, but that's a different issue altogether. Because, as I mentioned briefly in my prior post, if 99% of all story/plothole complaints can be answered simply by citing scenes or dialogue directly from either of the two movies, then the screenplay did it's job.

  • June 8, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Tron Legacy's easy-to-spot faults...

    by DKMODE

    Aside from the usual complaints about certain "Uncanny Valley" FX shots and questionable dialogue, here's my take on why Tron: Legacy was bland, forgettable, and sort of insulting to the discerning film geek: 1. The STAR has no charisma, personality, or redeemable qualities, and should not be carrying a massive film. The same can be said for Sam Worthington & Hayden Christensen (which may explain the general dislike people & critics have for the "A-List" films they starred in). He's just a good-looking guy with a deep voice and a one-note, jaded, bored delivery. Why should we want this guy to succeed in his adventure? He seems like an asshole who would seductively nod at our girlfriends when we have to take a piss. The only thing Keanu Reaves had going for him in The Matrix was the exciting, well-crafted sci-fi tale and revolutionary FX around him. Once the two sequels came out without a well-crafted storyline or revolutionary FX, Keanu became even more of an earsore. 2. Much of the STORY is told through dialogue-heavy EXPOSITION where the actors either sit at tables or stand on patios and literally engage in flat conversations. Other large chunks of story are told via FLASHBACKS and VOICE-OVER NARRATION. Most people with an affinity for/ understanding of cinematic storytelling should know that these are not the tools you use in large doses in any respectable film. Maybe if I get questioned on this I'll go into the obvious details. 3. LACK of MOTIVATION/ URGENCY/ PURPOSE. Without going into too much detail, one thing I remember from watching this film was the general pointlessness of everything. The opening for instance, had the STAR (I will probably never know his name because he is not a qualified movie star), breaking into his father's former company in order to steal the Operating System and put it online. Instead of making a clean escape, he gets caught and arrested. What happens next? He's freed a couple hours later with a slap on the wrist, where he gets to go home and look cool with his beer, motorcycle, dog, hideout, and devil-may-care attitude. The entire break-in was sort of annoying to the company, but not entirely devastating. His arrest did nothing, though in the real world it would be assumed that all that sh*t he just pulled would put him in jail for a couple years. Essentially the film could have just picked up with him sitting around his hideout playing video games. Then once he gets to the Tron-World and finally gets taken to his father's hideout (after a round of cool albeit pointless gladiatorial games), his dad is just sitting there all "Zen-like", with no discernible plan or motivation to do anything. I guess they have to get to some portal before it closes (though Jeff Bridges doesn't really want to go- he'd rather play "The Dude" for laughs in his swanky "2001: A Space Odyssey" deathbed room. Our hero finally convinces everyone that they must go to the portal, but at this point there's no point to caring about whether they make it or not. Along the way we get pointless stories about a race of people who showed up and then were killed. It was genocide, and The Dude says something about how radical it would have been if they lived and invented AIDS remedies, but we should be sad because they used the word "genocide" in a dramatic tone. Nobody really wants to even go except for the main guy-hero actor-star. I still don't know his name, but I think AC Slater said he was Brad Pitt's lover in the relatively pointless "Troy" on a promo for Entertainments Tonight.

  • June 8, 2011, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Tron Legacy is brilliant

    by hiperaktiv

    Fucking fantastic film. Fuck.

  • June 8, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST

    I understand why people don't like Legacy

    by mistergreen

    It wasn't poppy enough, fast enough, dumbed down, and had lens flares. Face it, most people are not smart like a piece of turd. You can't blame them for not liking a smart movie.

  • June 8, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST

    dkmode: your points -> piece of turd

    by mistergreen

    1. No charisma: Hello? THe DUDE! Olivia Wilde did a great job btw. 2. Much of the story were expositions? No.. 3. Lack of Motivation? No... a. Boy Flynn owns the OS. He can do what he wants without much consequence. b. I couldn't understand the rest of your BS

  • June 8, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Re: Killik

    by MakNeil

    I agree with you to a point, in that a film isn't done till it's done. If Guillermo del Toro's attempt to get At The Mountains Of Madness done at Universal (I also think that this film will happen, especially if Pacific Rim does well) has shown us anything, it's that. That being said, the likelihood of a Tron: Legacy sequel looks greater and greater as time passes, so I wonder when are you going to accept the fact that–as I have said all along–that there will more than likely be a sequel. Btw, it doesn't hurt that the film pulled in about $400 million dollars AND Sean Bailey is the head of production at Disney, who also happened to produce the film.

  • June 8, 2011, 6 p.m. CST

    mistergreen- your rebutalls represent failure

    by DKMODE

    "1. No charisma: Hello? THe DUDE! Olivia Wilde did a great job btw." Hi. The Dude and Olivia Wilde were not the LEADS aka, the "Star" of the film. They performed what we would call supporting roles. So you blew it on rebuttal #1. Just completely missed the point there. Also, you seriously used "Hello?". Who uses "hello?" as a counter point. Annoying characters from 80's movies (i.e., Biff, or any given "bitchy girl" from a rom-com). "2. Much of the story were expositions? No.." You got me there actually. Good rebuttal. A solid "No" with two dots after it. One period would have been dramatic, three would have meant you had more to say, but two periods means that you mean business. Plus I love that you pluralized exposition into expositions for no apparent reason. Very avant-garde and shit. "3. Lack of Motivation? No... a. Boy Flynn owns the OS. He can do what he wants without much consequence. b. I couldn't understand the rest of your BS" Again, you got me here. You shamed my shit. This time you used the three periods after your "No," thereby implying you had several points to make. Namely, point "a" and point "b", without capitalization to downplay the importance of said points. Bravo.. At any rate, your "a." point points out that he owns the OS so can do whatever without consequence. It would be great if more films showcased scenes where consequences don't come into play. How exciting would films be if actions had no consequences? You got it: much more exciting!! Two exclamations for you!! Your "b" point points out that you didn't understand the point of my points on pointless plot points. I'm not sure how you know my points are "BS" if you don't understand them, but good job nonetheless. Solid rebuttal-ing all around. BOOM

  • explored.and what was the point of the isos when you have an already established wondrous world to explore? compare the original with the sequel and tell me which one had a richer content to show.

  • June 8, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Re: Killick (squared)

    by MakNeil

    Yeah, I'd have to agree that that inhabitants of the digital world were a bit more fleshed out in Tron (particularly in the scene when Flynn, driving a stolen Recognizer, crashes into the center of town, so to speak) and wished that I saw that same level of development in Legacy (and there was an opportunity to do so, namely in Seus' club) though there was a hint of this when Sam dropped off Flynn's light cycle in town before he went to the End Of Line Club (the "homeless" person he gave it to).

  • June 8, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    dr_pepperspray

    by AsimovLives

    I disagree, friend. TRON LEGACY had this melancolic feel to it hat no hack like Bay (or Abrams) can really pull off. It was the thing that most suprised me about the movie. It could had been a Michael Bay-fiest, all action, but instead the movie spent more time dealing with characterization. That's what suprised me. And it's the honesty on the movie. I can tell that the movie was made by people who cared, who loved the original movie, and who believed in the movie they were making. I can tell that quite clearly. The guys were loving making the movie they were making. such hapines sin their own work is rare to see in a Holywood movie, and the last example i saw of that from a big budget movie was INCEPTION. That happiness, that love to be making the job they are making. I see that quite well in TRON LEGACY, and it shows. Made evne mroe suprising because so easily TRON LEGACY could had been a cynical cash-grab. Maybe for disney that's what TRON LEGACY is, but for the filmmakers, they were comited to make a movie first and foremost. And all that is contagious to me as a moviegoer. I had a blast watching TRON LEGACY. It was one of the few moments last year where i genuinely had a proper fun time at the movies.

  • June 8, 2011, 8 p.m. CST

    Hey Asi...hows it going dude? I liked Tron Legacy

    by southafricanguy

    the script was rather clunky, but it was fun, and it is clear a lot of effort went into it. Better for me than the original which frankly I will never understand the rabid love some have for. Imhi it has aged so badly, and is actually rather dull. Legacy was paced well, and looked spectacular in 3D.

  • June 8, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    dkmode- depends on how you look at it

    by TheSecondQuest

    1) I agree Sam wasn't the most engaging actor in the film, though he worked for some scenes (the realworld scenes as well as the night club, maybe a little bit of the Solar Sailer) he didn't quite sell the rest as well as he should have. The rest of the cast makes up for him though, IMO. Flynn/CLU, Quorra, Alan/Tron, even Jarvis and Castor (I know some people found him jarring or annoying, but I found him rather fun and he interjected a bit of variety and livelihood when the film needed it). Perhaps I had a reverse-Keanu reaction to it than you did. 2) There's only one real major exposition scene/scene using voice-over, and that's the dinner/fireplace tale of CLU's coup and the genocide of the ISOs. And that scene? It's exactly like the scene in Obi-Wan's hut in ANH. Even the story is the same (bearded hero from the "previous" movie, now elder, tells younger hero of how his friend-thought-dead-but-gone-dark helped the bad guy betray him and hunt down and kill a group of special individuals). The only difference is they throw in the flashbacks so they can turn what would otherwise be a long exposition scene into an intense and tragic action scene\, thereby improving the film's pacing (which would have slowed down considerably more if not for said action sequence). Unoriginal? Maybe. But it wasn't some great flaw of the film, either-in fact, it had some of the memorable highlights of the film you couldn't have achieved otherwise (Flynn's obliviousness to the weight behind CLU's layered final question, Tron kicking ass, "Bio-digital jazz, man", etc). 3) The realworld stuff wasn't pointless. He didn't spend years in jail because he owned the company and the OS. It also established his relationship with the company (although I'll grant this is given better context and purpose via the Flynn Lives epilogue video) which is part of his character arc (from disapproving of it's actions to taking control of it) as well as representing the realworld link that makes the events of the movie have repercussions and motivation (one of the reasons Sam initially wants to save his dad, I would speculate, is so Kevin can take back over Encom so Sam won't have to, while still resolving his issue with the new corporate philosophy). Also, bringing Quorra into the world doesn't do much to impact the world if he doesn't have Encom's resources to do something with it. Likewise, the jail-in-and-out establishes his history (and one of the better jokes in the film when he knows the impound yard guy by name). But, really, it's more of an reintroduction to the film's world and an homage to the first. Next, the gladiatorial games weren't pointless- they were part of CLU's plan to get Kevin's (or a proxy if his, like Quorra) attention in the hopes that Sam's arrival would get Kevin on the grid, where CLU could track down his disc (as Clu says to Jarvis regarding the audience's reaction to the speech's words, "They were meant for them."). When they find Kevin, he does have a plan of sorts- he's been waiting out Clu hoping the revolutionaries take him down. Once Sam shows up, he's thrown off guard when he realizes Clu used the page as a lure to trap him. And, also, Bridges wasn't playing Kevin like The Dude. While the zen stuff was new, the dude-like qualities were with Kevin in the original film (in both cases, it's just leveraging part of Jeff's normal personality). (as an example, jump back to the original Tron's scene in the arcade apartment/office- Flynn says "man" at least 6 times in the span of a single minute.) However, The Dude is more familiar and recent in most people's memories than Flynn in the original Tron (if they've even seen it), so people just make the incorrect assumption of conncting it to The Dude. Also, Sam doesn't convince anyone they have to go to the portal- he decides to go it alone (with guidance to Castor from Quorra). And, to a different comment regarding the lack of development of the non-ISO programs on the Grid- there was originally more on the different rebel groups meeting at Castor's (religious groups, warriors, politicians, etc), which makes the club ambush all the more damaging to Kevin's original "wait it out" plan. However, that material was cut either for pacing concerns or to keep the story focused on the Flynns.

  • June 8, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    mistergreen....I disagree with you there, TL was

    by southafricanguy

    not that smart, not dumb by any means, but certainly not a particularly intelligent film. Not that a film has to be to be enjoyed imho. Because at least TL never insults its audience by being dumbed down for them.

  • June 8, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    The short version of all that is...

    by TheSecondQuest

    ...with exception to personal casting opinions Star Wars exposition contrasts, all your concerns are addressed/answered in the film- as I said before.

  • June 8, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    But for me, as a nonTron uber fan like Harry, It

    by southafricanguy

    seems like a lot of people are in love with the design aesthetic and the idea of Tron more than anything else.

  • June 8, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    But there is one major complaint for me with TL

    by southafricanguy

    and actually with Tron in general. While I certainly appreciate character development, it seems like action is a big problem for Tron. And really what else can you do with glowing frisbees? Frankly I think TL showed the limits of how little you can do action wise with it. Other than the arena fight and light cycle fight, nothing else was remotely good action wise. And thats it exactly imho, other than an arena type setting, theres nothing much that can be done. Sure it looks cool at first, but after you ve seen it once, its repetitve and dull.

  • June 8, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Great news

    by VideoE

    This is something like the second- or third-ever post for me on AICN, but I am compelled to write simply because of all the hatred aimed at Tron and those who enjoy it. I don't understand that particular mindset. If one does not enjoy something, one should simply avoid it. There are plenty of films I don't like (and given the lack of imaginative films these days, it's a target-rich environment), but I do not waste my time writing about them and denigrating those who enjoy them. I'm with Harry on the love of the Tron universe. The first film was so far ahead of its time and the second was EXACTLY what I was hoping to see. I look at it this way: the Sam character is like all the Tron haters out there - cynical, angry, destructive. Then he "sees the light" and undergoes a positive transformation because of this universe. And he even gets a girlfriend out of the deal (something which would do the haters some good, I think). For the third film, here are some things I'm hoping to see: • More Boxleitner. He was really underutilized in the first two films. • Sam introducing Allen to the Tron world - after all, he has been excluded from it all this time after helping create it! • Bridges acting more like he was in the original Tron and less like the Dude. • David Warner and his Dillinger character working with his son against Flynn's team • Give Quorra a bigger part. Sorry, a bit long-winded there. Flynn lives!

  • June 8, 2011, 9:17 p.m. CST

    SPOILERS!

    by MoffatBabies

    Titus wants AICN to hire someone full time to monitor all talkbacks, but wants someone else to pay for it! Hope I didn't ruin it for you cunts that support him.

  • June 9, 2011, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Sounds better

    by Ganzeric

    Definitely sounds better than legacy www.dailybullseye.com

  • June 9, 2011, 2 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by AsimovLives

    Hey friend, how are you? Good to know you are one of the sanes about Tron Legacy. I guess now i understand why people sometimes call others as haters for disliking what ashould be an obvious likable movie. but unlike Abrams Trek, Tron Legacy is a movie that's really easy to like and for good reasons. Why the original Tron is so well liked? It's not so much because many of us who do think it's a masterpiece. But the movie was unique. And still is, even with the sequel. Nothing ever looked like it before, and with the exception of the sequel and the sequels to be, no other movies ever will. The movie has somethignthat really few movies can claim: an uniqueness to them. I guess it's a case of being there at the time the movie came out. The movie caught the imagination, evne if it flopped in the USA. The movie has aclassic story of a guy who is caught in the midle of a war he's strange, meets cool characters and a great hero, has a strange adventure, and comes out of it with the treasure and a happy ending. Pure Campbell narrative, but with a trapping that was unique and never seen before. I can really understand the love for soemthing like Tron. It's easy to see why. It's other, much worst movies, like a certain one you should know i'm refering to, that's weird to understand why it exists, if you get my meaning.

  • June 9, 2011, 4:46 a.m. CST

    I loved tron legacy and waiting for part 3 which was gonna happen.

    by Norman Colson

    Because it's not over. I suspect cillian murphy who had an appearance in the second finds out quorra's identity and expands the tron world into the internet world wide.... But that's just my theory...lol. I loved the movie i just think it could have been bigger than what it was... I dont understand the hate. the look and feel of it, is awesome. the glowing clothes, disk wars, de-resolution and omfg the music. I dont understand how disney invents a movie for nerds, geeks, mac-heads(steve job's dickriders)fanboys alike. and yet they come onto aicn and relentlessly bash the film. I constantly watch it on blu-ray and i enjoy, pumping my surround sound system. shit i even brought the ost soundtrack which i rarely do. God if your gonna hate on this movie give us a compelling argument like why... The movie had emotion, laughs a compelling villian a relatable hero... My only gripe is that they didnt expand upon that, the relationship with sam and kevin, the love between sam and quorra, and why clu truly turned evil, because just simple jealousy just doesnt cut it. i would have shown clu to be more human than program, and he couldnt handle it.

  • June 9, 2011, 7:02 a.m. CST

    x-men first class.............

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    So I saw the new X flick last night and thought it kicked all kinds of ass. Fassbender was awesome. The relationship between Magneto and Xavier was done very well. Regarding the cameo which Titus ruined for me in this thread yesterday.....I have to say it would have been fucking awesome to see the movie and NOT know that part was going to be in there. That could have been a cool surprise moment as it was obviously meant to be. The audience reaction at that scene was great....unfortunately I knew it was coming at some point because Titus casually mentioned it here. I'll reiterate what I said yesterday. Titus you messed up by mentioning the cameo in this TB. Any normal person or film lover would have simply admitted they slipped up and apologized after doing that. That would have ended it right there and then. A man can admit making mistakes. Instead you first tried to say that I was lying about not seeing the movie. Then when that failed you decided I wasn't lying but that I was somehow a freak for seeing the movie on a Wednesday night? (seriously) By your logic movie theaters may as well only be open Friday and Saturday nights....you know because the whole world is on your schedule. But then again your schedule doesn't even allow you see Tron until well after its on DVD. Anyway all that bullshit was just you going off topic so you could avoid actually admitting you were wrong - which was the whole point. Titus you are dumb cunt for spoiling the cameo and a bitch for not apologizing. That's a fact. Last week some dude was banned for giving up a Smurf plot in a Smurf thread. How you can continue to post here even though you spoiled a cameo to a movie in a thread not even about that movie is beyond me. Anyway.....fuck you Titus. Go crawl back into your mothers pussy because the world hates you and your life is a joke.

  • June 9, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by AsimovLives

    I think by now every movie and comic geeks knows what are the two cameos from the previous X-Men movies are in the new one, and who says the single F word found in the movie as well. Even those who haven't seen the movie yet, like me. The secret wouldn't last for too long after the first week of release.

  • June 9, 2011, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Tron Legacy Outgrossed True Grit

    by kevinwillis.net

    Get your facts straight. However, True Grit was, no doubt, more profitable, since it was produced for $38 million, instead of $170 million.

  • June 9, 2011, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Tron 3: Bring on the Yori

    by kevinwillis.net

    Better be some Yori. And some Ram. Love something about how Encom uses custom and super-expensive quantum memory chips in their computers (developed in the late 70s) that might give a quasi-explanation as to how computer programs become sentient creatures with emotion inside the computer universe. Young Dillinger could wonder why Encom keeps using these self-produced memory chips that costs 100 times what regular memory costs . . . That's just me. I like that kind of implicit explanation. Don't make a big deal of it, just a throw-away.

  • June 9, 2011, 7:43 a.m. CST

    asimovlives

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I don't spend much time online and I tried avoiding TB's and reviews so as not to have things spoiled for me regarding that movie and other movies. I don't particularly care about "every geek in the world who already knew" Titus spoiled the cameo for me. That's that.

  • June 9, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Legacy was entertaining, yet-

    by T

    Honestly, I was rooting for CLU's forces at the end to make it and start a shitstorm on the Earth. I've only seen it twice; once in 2D in a theater and once in 2D on DVD. To me, it just overall lacks some oomph, some viceral damage. If Legacy's world was on the edge of revolution and chaos, I didn't really feel it that well. If I had any suggestions, it'd be go harder, give us some Grid characters to really root for and hiss at.

  • June 9, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    obi-wanshin-obi

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I think all the stuff you mentioned is what we may see in a sequel. TL was more about reintroducing the world and characters to a new generation of moviegoers. Now they can expand on things in sequels.

  • June 9, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST

    So, why were all those gay programs on the grid?

    by cookylamoo

    Did Michael Sheen represent the hidden gay side of the Dude? It would explain why Jeff is holed up with this iso babe and not putting it to her regularly.

  • June 9, 2011, 9 a.m. CST

    I guess I should'a seen it in 3D.

    by cookylamoo

    Because it 2D, it's really flat.

  • June 9, 2011, 9 a.m. CST

    Wouldn't the "tronification of Earth" be The Matrix?

    by Curious_Jorge

    Everyone in a giant computer simulation.

  • Like a big pair of hooters isn't enough of a tip off.

  • June 9, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Tronification - I'm thinking Nanobot takeover

    by TRON

  • June 9, 2011, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Tronification - Gridbots=Nanobots

    by TRON

  • June 9, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by Titus05

    you still ranting?...spoilers do suck which was my point to begin with...why are you reviewing X-Men in a Tron thread for?...you already saw the movie last weekend and were just trying to make a point about spoilers by saying that you saw it last night (a point you could have made without lying about which day you saw the movie)...your 15 minutes are up...and as asimov stated, even without seeing the movie most X-Men geeks could have guessed who would make a surprise appearance...it was so obvious...go back into the Smurf threads...why am I not surprised that you are eagerly anticipating the Smurfs movie lol?...spoiler: Brainy Smurf is the smart one

  • June 9, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST

    titus05

    by fpuk99

    Has to be a troll. Surely no-one can be that much of a stupid, entitled c**t?

  • June 9, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    fpuk99

    by LordPorkington

    I'm very sorry to inform you that titus05 is indeed a troll of the worst kind. Feel free to read all of his posts in this thread and let me know if you can make any kind of sense from his arguments. I'll tell you this, he'll never be a lawyer when he grows up, that's for sure.

  • June 9, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    da tron-ification of earf?

    by soma_with_the_paintbox

    Sounds like the most boring vision of singularity ever. There's only so far you can get with teal and tangerine minimalism. Crank it up to 11 on the sensawunda scale, guys, and this could be great. Plausible motivations and a young hero with a pulse would be good too.

  • June 9, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by AsimovLives

    I hear ya.

  • June 9, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    titus05

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    forget about it man, life's too short no hard feelings peace

  • June 9, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Tron: Legacy just needed a decent script...

    by Knuckleface

    ...and Disney would have made billions. It suffered from the common problem of the modern cinema, that is: too much focus on 'sequences' and not enough focus on plot, pace & character. More specifically, it suffers from the worst and laziest trend in current Hollywood screenwriting: the protagonist is God-like. You know what I'm talking about: the hero who are awesome from scene one. He's good looking, rich, connected, smarter than everyone else, the biological heir to the throne of greatness, all the girls want him as soon as they see him. Am I the only person that has noticed that every 'blockbuster' action movie produced since and including Episode One has done this. Kirk-redux, Mutt, Shia-formers, Tron Legs, virtually every comic hero... and so on... It's a terrible trend from a storytelling perspective because any character change is either non-existent or shallow. But it's also a terrible trend from a cultural perspective: its like Hollywood's trying to sell us on eugenics. In these films, heroes don't rise out of circumstance, they are destined to heroism by heredity. The rest of us are just chattel. My theory is that Hollywood's power-hitters are all just trying to grease the cultural wheel so that audiences won't think twice when George Lucas' kid decides he wants to be a director, or when actors spawn actor children, or rich hoteliers decide their worthless children are worthy of being celebrities for no reason whatsoever. Well I'm sick of it. It's time to destroy Hollywood.

  • June 9, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST

    obi-wanshin-obi- some of that was cut out

    by TheSecondQuest

    There was going to be more of the various revolutionary groups gathering at the End of Line Club, but it was cut out/revised to focus on Sam's story. We'll get more of that in the Uprising series, though, presumably (as some of the same characters will be appearing).

  • And mentaldominance wedges corn cobs up his ass sideways