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DAREDEVIL Reboot Now Has A Writer, Adapting BORN AGAIN!
Nordling here.
I hate Mark Steven Johnson's DAREDEVIL adaptation. He completely misunderstood the character, and turned Daredevil into Batman Lite, which the character certainly is not. I know people don't care for the casting much, and Ben Affleck wasn't my first choice, but I thought he did... okay. Jennifer Garner as Elektra... didn't work for me. When the film was ramping up before release, I was on record as thinking the Michael Clarke Duncan casting for Kingpin was actually all right. I didn't and still don't care about the race of the actor playing Wilson "Kingpin" Fisk, but I truly believed that they would get the spirit of the character right. Boy, was I wrong on that one. The Kingpin was written all wrong, was acted all wrong, and so they screwed up that character too. The worst thing? They totally flubbed the reveal of Daredevil's identity to Kingpin. They didn't just fumble the ball, they fumbled it 3 yards from the other team's end zone. The only character and actor that came off smelling okay was Colin Farrell's Bullseye. But when it was announced a while back that a reboot was coming, well, this is one reboot I wholeheartedly endorsed.
I haven't read him in recent years, but in the 1980s I was all about Daredevil. He was my favorite Marvel character. He's not simply a Batman-type clone - Matt Murdock truly loved the law and justice, and he only put the suit on when there was no other way. I especially loved Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli's BORN AGAIN arc, which had Daredevil's identity revealed to the Kingpin properly. But Kingpin didn't go pounding on Matt Murdock's door right away. No, he put the screws to him, leaving Murdock a shell of a man, penniless, disbarred, and broken and only then did Kingpin defeat him physically. But from that defeat Murdock rose, stronger than ever. I know everyone loves THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, and I do too. But for me, this is my favorite Frank Miller story, and I remember waiting for those monthly issues really wondering what would happen next.
Well, the reboot is happening, and according to Hollywood Reporter, they have a writer attached - FRINGE's Brad Caleb Kane, and he's adapting BORN AGAIN for the film. It's too bad this is under Fox and not Paramount, because it'd be pretty freaking cool if Chris Evans were to reprise his role as Captain America for the climax. David Slade is still listed to direct. I really hope this pays off for Fox and DAREDEVIL. I think the character's too good to die under one lousy film.
Nordling, out.
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June 7, 2011, 10:46 p.m. CST
DAREDEVIL IS A STUPID CHARACTER TO BEGIN WITH!!!FACT!!! JUST GIVE IT A FUCKIN REST!!!
by CreepyThinMan
I'd rather see a movie that makes the Pope a superhero as he fights sin, traveling around the world in his Pope-mobile and Pope-plane along with his aide-kick Alter-boy!!! His catch prase should be "I SHALL SMITE THEE....MOTHERFUCKER!!!"
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Same thing for Ghost Rider. And Green Lantern, I'm thinking.
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June 7, 2011, 10:49 p.m. CST
so is the version that appeared in Trial of the Incredible Hulk
by Anakin_Piecocker
of would it be from Jay and Silent Bon Strike Back?
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and have been for about eight or nine years. This arc, if done right, will be so good. Hope everything falls into place.
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I haven't read much of Daredevil--just Born Again and Man Without Fear (the origin with JRJ drawing). I don't have a good grasp of the character, but even despite that, watching the director's cut of Daredevil was an exercise in self flagellation. I think the worst part, aside from the really weird choice of Evanescence music, is how Elektra trains herself by cutting bags of sand with red faces painted on them. I mean, really? That's how she hones her skills? Although to be honest, I did come out of that movie liking the casting for Kingpin and Bullseye. That much I thought they did okay.
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It's a good start with the source material, but build on it. The last thing I want to see is Justin Timberlake or some other idiot as Murdock. And how about a talented director with some direction and respect for the character?!
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Not great, but good. Hopefully, now that THE DARK KNIGHT proved how truly compelling a super-hero adaptation can be, maybe we'll see better.
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Theatrical was weak, Director's Cut was bad-ass! It's the most hard-edged, dark superhero movie except for Punisher War Zone which was AN OUTRAGE. Daredevil the Director's Cut is no kiddie flick like a Spider-Man or Thor even, both of which I loved. And now.....Born Again is the best. Hot damn I am praying from now till I see it that it turns out the way it should.
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to my love for Frank Miller's Born Again series for DD. If David Slade is truly attached this augurs well for the reboot.
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Didn't Disney buy out the remaining Marvel Studios contract? I have faith that Slade can pull this together.
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June 7, 2011, 11:02 p.m. CST
wow Nordling, you got your assessment all wrong. Colin Ferrel was the guy I thought, "What the F is he doing in this movie?"
by mistergreen
Dare Devil as a character is aight... Nothing too exciting.
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But I hated the theatrical cut so much that I didn't believe them. Is it really worth seeing?
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We already saw Frank Miller's Daredevil and it was too dark, and no fun, and people didn't buy into it. Why do it again? They should go back to Stan Lee's Daredevil and make it fun.
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June 7, 2011, 11:10 p.m. CST
never read Born Again but I loved Miller's first run on the character
by Rupee88
That was up there with Claremont/Byrne/Austin x-men at the time.
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It is harder and harder to get excited about any superhero movies. Being poor doesn't help, as I'm no longer willing to just give things a try. The first DD movie got so many things right and then did things so many things unfathomably wrong(Jennifer Garner???), I'd like to see the directors cut someday, but I'll never pay to see it. This will also be hurt by having to cut out the avengers visit at the end.
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June 7, 2011, 11:16 p.m. CST
If you think Daredevil is a sucky character, you have no idea what great comicbook writing is!!
by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST
In the 80s, Frank Miller ruled! And Born Again was just a hair shy of Dark Knight Returns. It's a fantastic story perfectly suited for film. Can't wait!
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If you hated "Daredevil" that much, don't check out the director's cut. It's more for people who thought the movie was okay but would have been better with different editing.
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I too sought it out after hearing 113 times over that it was actually good. It isn't. It's not as bad as the theatrical. Still doesn't really understand the character, still has the same bad story arc, but it's a little rougher, and at times, funnier (on purpose). Theatrical = One star movie Director's Cut = One and a half star movie
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June 7, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST
Here are some stories that may appear here in the upcoming week:
by Bobo_Vision
Kevin Smith recruits comic book fans for reality show <p> Leonardo DiCaprio in talks to play villain in Tarantino's Django Unchained <p> Harvey Keitel joins cast of new Wes Anderson film, Moonrise Kingdom <p> Al Pacino to play starring role in "Imagine" as John Lennon's Love Child....(although he's a bit old) <p> Antoine Fuqua to direct Eminem biopic, Southpaw <p> MGM moves ahead on Poltergeist remake <p> Paul Walker may play Kyle Reese in Terminator 5 <p> And so forth.........
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On cable. And it too deals with a well intentioned lawyer learning about the sometimes very grey areas where justice can reside. I realized that Sidney Lumet could make an absolutely classic Daredevil movie (with the right script). Too bad he just died.
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June 7, 2011, 11:24 p.m. CST
Nordling, the Hulk is owned by Universal, yet Tony Stark appeared at the end of "The Incredible Hulk". If Daredevil goes under the Marvel Studios banner, Cap and Thor could still appear.
by MrMysteryGuest
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At the time it was one of the best Marvel character movies. A decent portrayal of a B-level hero. It was more than we had up to that point, I think.
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Some of it plays like a different movie... But some of the flaws don't change either.... primarily Elektra is still the same as the theatrical cut... Worth watching if you thought DD was just okay... But if you really despised DD prolly worth skipping.... Someone let know if I wrong but from what I understand the film got cut for theaters b/c DD was originally got an R rating when submitted to the ratings board....
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catchtheman = CharlesThomasMatthews = CreepyThinMan = CillyThoopidMutha
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...has little else but contempt for the superhero franchises that have helped keep Fox a profitable venture. When have Fox ever released a great Superhero movie apart from X2? Bryan Singer got lucky with that one, having flubbed the first X-Men and Superman Returns (which I hated). We ain't getting a great Daredevil movie from those people. Any expectation that we might, is just wishful thinking. I can see "Born Again" sitting over on my bookshelf. I haven't read it since 1989 but I think now might be a good time to pull it out.
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...has little else but contempt for the superhero franchises that have helped keep Fox a profitable venture. When have Fox ever released a great Superhero movie apart from X2? Bryan Singer got lucky with that one, having flubbed the first X-Men and Superman Returns (which I hated). We ain't getting a great Daredevil movie from those people. Any expectation that we might, is just wishful thinking. I can see "Born Again" sitting over on my bookshelf. I haven't read it since 1989 but I think now might be a good time to pull it out.
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When my brother bought the director's cut I volunteered myself out of watching it. Really, who wants 33 more minutes of that movie? Anyway, I'm sure this is going to suck, too. Just because.
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But that's about it. If I were to bother watching it again, it would be the director's cut. It's a slightly less odoriferous pile of shit.
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Marvel Studios made and owned The Incredible Hulk, and thus could connect it and Iron Man. Presumably, the other Marvel heroes owned by Marvel Studios could also go to different distributors, but after Iron Man's success, Paramount made the deal to distribute the rest of Marvel Studio's films (and now Disney owns Marvel and is working towards distributing the post-Paramount deal films). Anyways, Daredevil, the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, Punisher & Spider-Man are all owned (so far as movie rights go) by different studios (Fox or Sony, pretty much) and thus can't connect to the Marvel Studios characters they don't own the rights to. The only way they'll ever interact is if the rights revert back to Marvel (by those studios not making a new movie in each franchise within a period of time), and that's unlikely to happen for the major ones for quite some time (though I think there was a rumor Marvel might get the Punisher back soon).
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June 8, 2011, midnight CST
ok, I'll be excited ...but only cause fox got it right with XM1C
by Citizin_insane
Daredevil is the only Marvel hero that can out-dark the dark night in my opinion. I just like Matt Murdoc soo much better than Bruce Wayne. I'm opting for Ryan Gossling
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Love the character of Daredevil, but hated the first film. Maybe hate is a strong word. Affleck was the wrong choice, although he didn't do too bad for the script he was given. But, when Daredevil started leaping around like Spider-Man, and falling 40 stories to land on a scaffolding, I knew the director was trying to cash in on some of Spider-Man's recent success. Then there was that horrible playground scene that just made me embarrassed to be seen walking out of the theater. And Elektra was done totally wrong. Reboot with a good actor in the lead, (Damien Lewis? Matthew McConaghey?) and make the Born Again storyline, and I'm there opening day.
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June 8, 2011, 12:05 a.m. CST
The director's cut is actually better....but not necessarily GOOD.
by kermit_the_fraud
Daredevil was.....acceptable, given what we'd seen as far as comic adaptations at that time. But as was stated above, for anything that film actually got right, there were still 2 or 3 that were oh-so-wrong. Daredevil was a 'slick' movie made from material that should have been anything BUT. I did like the visualization of DD's 'radar-sense', and the isolation chamber for sleep, as well as the other little touches that defined Matt's day-to-day (the folding of the different bills, the blaring music to drown out the sounds)...but the super-WASP Elektra, the wuss-metal soundtrack, and the physics-defying stuff (yeah, DD is acrobatic, but dropping 10 stories or so onto a window-washers platform, plus the street-wide leaps is derp-a-derparific), as well as the 'polished' look overall were killers. I did like the Josie's Bar fight as well. DD is not an indestructible hero. He has enhanced senses, and is Bruce Lee in a costume....but he must STILL answer to physics. Ground the film a bit, and make it compelling. That's all.
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Is it actually acceptable to be both a prosecution AND defense attorney? 'Cause Matt was BOTH in the movie.
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June 8, 2011, 12:19 a.m. CST
Great Idea making this into a movie! Would be fantastic
by Andrew Coleman
Colin ferrel was the best thing about the first film. That was a nice studio try. If they do this story though the movie will be amazing. Great news.
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The Kingpin wasn't really a kingpin of crime. That's the main thing that pissed me off about it. I could not possibly care less if he were fat and white, black, brown, blue, yellow or painted to resemble a fucking rainbow. Instead we're treated to a guy nicknamed "the Kingpin" who lives and acts like a record label mogul or some other ridiculous bullshit (as if someone thought to themselves - "a black guy as a gangster? Wait, this is the perfect opportunity to showcase a black guy as a GANGSTA". Either way, he was Kingpin in imposing stature - granted, he was Kingpin in nickname - also granted but everything else was such a ridiculous fucking leap out of the character that's been portrayed in the comics (and hell, even the fucking cartoons) that it just feels like a hollow parody of what could've been a truly memorable portrayal.
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Daredevil. I want Mel Gibson to direct. I want Frank Miller on Script. I want good CGI for King Pin and voiced by an Orson Welles knockoff. Bullseye to be played by Joseph Gordon Levitt.
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NUKE! This has to happen. Please FOX. Treat this with respect.
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He doesn't seem to be slagging him off like he used to.
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If you have a turd on some Wonder Bread with some French's mustard, ya got a shit sandwich. If you take that same turd and you put it on some whole grain bread, with some sprouts, some Dijon horseradish mustard, some cold cuts, maybe some Muenster cheese...Damn! That's lookin' like some good eatin'! But in the end, it's still a shit sandwich. That's my analogy of the theatrical cut to the Director's Cut.
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June 8, 2011, 1:45 a.m. CST
Born Again is great, but for the first story of the reboot? Maybe a sequel but not a first chapter.
by titanmatrix
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June 8, 2011, 1:56 a.m. CST
A comment from someone that was only aware but not obsessed with Daredevil
by akirakid
I came into the Daredevil movie with a basic knowledge of the character. I knew who he was and his abilities but had never read an issue of his book and only knew of his exploits if characters in the books that I read had a crossover with him. I have never read a single Frank Miller issue or any of the "classic" stories. That being said, "Daredevil" was everything I wanted "Spider-Man" to be: dirty, grounded, people got hurt and bled. In fact, "Daredevil" turned me on to the character and now I'm obsessed with the little bit of memorabilia there is out there for the Man With No Fear. Then came the Director's Cut and I went nuts! They are like two different movies. The director's cut totally reduces the "love story" section and brings in Coolio and a whole new story with Matt Murdoch and the law. I must have watched this version about 15 times and I own it on BluRay. As bad as fans of the character think this film is, you have to remember that these movies are made for the masses and also hope to please die hard fans as well. Somehow, Daredevil opened big that February and stayed at number one for two consecutive weeks. It made more money than "Hulk" yet it got a sequel/reboot and "Daredevil" did not. I always wanted Guy Pearce as DD/Matt but felt that Affleck and company did commendable jobs. I hate to disagree with all you guys because I think you raise valid points as fans of the character but, as a guy that came into the character BECAUSE of the movie, it holds a special place to me.
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June 8, 2011, 2:41 a.m. CST
King Pin should be a dude in a fat suit. Like Blob in Wolverine
by Citizin_insane
I'm suprised there isn't more 'dream casting' going on... Just to say it again: Ryan Gossling for Matt Murdoc
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It's a pleasure to meet you, Matt Damon! Good Will Hunting is one of my most favorite movies. You've done enough for Ben. You don't have to make up crazy stories about liking his movies. What's next? You're gonna' say watching Reindeer Games made you realize the meaning of Christmas?
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I think of that terrible song... "wake me when it's done..." CANT EVEN RAP "wake me up and saaave meee from this crap" STILL CANT RAP! ungh! Worse than Coldplay.
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I like the Directors cut, mostly for the expanded relationship footage Matt has with his father.
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Chris Evans for Captain America Robert Downy Jr for Iron Man Chris Hemsworth for Thor Not so sure about Karen, Matt, Kingpin, Foggy, Nuke or the rest of the characters.
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Is my all-time favorite comic, I would love to see it done properly for the big screen. However.....if its being done by Fox does that mean, no cameo from Thor, Iron Man or Cap? Could they work something out with Paramount? - Otherwise if you have to compromise so much that Cap's not in it then its not worth doing. As for the Director's Cut of the original Daredevil movie, its an improvement, but still contains all the bad points from the original.
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June 8, 2011, 3:52 a.m. CST
At the risk of being mocked mercilessly i'm going to throw a name out for Matt Murdock..
by Righteous Brother
Robert Pattinson.
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For the director's cut to be worth watching it would have to have different actors playing Murdock, Elektra, and Fisk. Otherwise it just doesn't matter. As usual Duncan was just awful, like Jar Jar bad. His only good performances are the silly ones where he is playing completely absurd characters like in the Slammin Salmon or Deuce Bigelow. Kingpin is supposed to be pure malevolence and brilliant. Duncan can't play a scene straight without mugging for the camera. He's the poor man's Ving Rhames, but Rhames can play serious thugs who have some intelligence. I suspect they tried to get Rhames and he turned them down when he saw the script. Affleck is miscast, completely unconvincing as a blind person, and Garner was much better on Alias. She can't play a dark character bent on revenge, her pairing with Affleck gave the film a rom-com feel. Collin Ferrell wasn't terrible, but his over the top scene chewing spoils the gravity of him killing Elektra. Plus Ferrell is box office poison, nearly every film he plays a major role in flops.
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I'm pretty sure The Punisher is back with Marvel Studios
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Daredevil is a tactile feeling character that "feels" his enemies and environment. Thats sense of feeling is perfect for Bettany. Also Daredevil isnt a roid beast or heavy muscle. Hes all lightning reflexes and hyper aware physically. As a movie i dont know if any script could do Born Again the justice it deserves. Even if they gave a running time similar to Watchmen at about 2hrs 40 mins it might not be enough to show the chess game that Kingpin plays on Daredevil. I would love to see Daredevil done has a dark TV show along the lines of a Starz or HBO cable series.
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June 8, 2011, 5:05 a.m. CST
I'm not sure the Born Again story works without 20 yrs of continuity preceding it.
by Margot Tenenbaum
Unless they used Affleck and the rest of the cast of the first one but changed to a more realistic tone. That might make for a nice contrast similar to the '60s Daredevil vs. '80s Frank Miller DD. Sort of like if they'd made Batman Begins with George Clooney & Michael Gough.
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First off, I've been reading DD religiously since the first Elektra issue. He's my favorite superhero. Nordling, everything from Kevin Smith's run through Brubaker's run is damn close to Millers run as far as good DD stories go. I thought the film was okay, and the directors cut was about 1/4 better. Elektra was a bit less important in the story, we saw more of Matt doing the lawyer thing, and some detective work. And when DD and Elektra are on the roof in the rain, DD makes a different choice. I'm really interested in the Born Again adaption, in my opinion it could either improve or wreck the story. In the comic, I hated that the end included Thor, Cap and Iron Man. The entire story line was so dark, gritty and 'realistic', and I thought that mood was killed by the inclusion of the more sci-fi/fantasy-ish characters. So, my eventual opinion of the movie will be heavily influenced by how they re-work the ending without using those characters.
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is perfect for Daredevil in every way
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It was pretty good. A solid 7, maybe slightly higher. I enjoyed the visuals, as bare and simply as they were. It was a simple movie. Not as horrible as everyone made it out to be, miles ahead of shit like those 2 FF movies.
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Blind ninja lawyer who dresses like Satan? C'mon, that's just stupid. You can make a movie about a Zatoichi blind ninja, you can make a movie about a vigilante lawman, you can make a movie about a crazy guy who just likes to dress as Satan and beat people. But trying to put all this stuff together is just one or two ideas too many.
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Looked too bulky in the costume. Kingpin is the ultimate crime boss - physicality and mindgames - and Duncan had nothing to do in the film apart from look like a pimp. Bullseye's psychosis requires subtlety whereas Farrell went in completely the opposite direction. I did enjoy the way they depicted DD's radar in the subway sequence, but the rooftop in the rain moment didn't make sense at all. Some of the action was fairly gritty and inventive and then others (DD backflipping in a single direction to avoid the glass shards) were just crap. CGI was fairly poor too. A stripped down, low on gloss adaptation of Born Again would be excellent and Bettany would be a great choice for DD both in build and talent.
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Fox currently owns the rights to Daredevil and by getting this reboot going they mantain those rights. Marvel Studios is responsible for Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Thor, and Captain America at this time. Those films are distributed mainly by paramount, but Hulk was distributed by Universal. The distributer is not the important thing, but the studio actually responsible for the flick. 20th Centruy Fox is handling Daredevil, which means unless they work out a deal with Marvel Studios you will not see any of the Avenger characters in this flick or any other Marvel character based flick not produced by Marvel Studios.
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Paramount is just the distributor. Marvel Studios (now part of Disney) makes all those Paramount movies. I guess it is theoretically possible that Marvel and Fox could work out a crossover and "loan" the character to Fox, but I doubt it would happen.
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Marvel, and disney, should try and get their characters back from the other studios. under their own banner, they've produced far superior movies (Iron man, Hulk, Thor and soon Captain america) and still made a crap load of money while still staying true to the characters and keeping them in the same universe. As for the other marvel characters, produced by other studios, they've been pail reflections of their comic book counterparts. In this case Daredevil under Fox. Like many other Talkbackers, I hated the original cut and prefer the Directors cut. Affleck was okay as Murdock/DD, same as Duncan as Fisk/Kingpin. Everyone else was meh. Having DD face Bullseye and kingpin in the same movie was too much for the first movie, and showed that the studio wasn't thinking of setting up a true sequel (except having bullseye still alive and killing at the end). My biggest concern was no Stick! WTF! Read the books and Stick taught DD everything he knows after Matt became blind. He didn't train himself. Imagine if Bruce Wayne, instead of traveling the world and training with different masters, just stayed in the mansion and trained himself to become batman. He would have killed himself just jumping off a roof. Also Ben Urich not working at the Daily Bugle???? come on!!! Anyway. Just have DD, FF and all the others back to Marvel. It's a pipedream. It's just painful that Studios hold on to their characters by churning out movies and not give a crap about the fans, Punisher:War Zone comes to mind as the most recent example. Finally, Secret Wars is never going to happen, which is the saddest thing of all!
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So we're supposed to be introduced to DD, Kingpin, Karen Page, Foggy and Ben Urich and care enough when the shit hits the fan all in one film? A story where Matt Murdoch is barely in costume? The story works because it has 20 years of history behind it. This will be another mess. And for the record Colin Farrell as Bulseye was terrible. He would not have been out if place in a Schumacher Batman film.
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The first movie had a few charms, but overall it was bag of lame. Afleck wasn't as offensive in the role as many yammer on about. Garner as Electra was ok, though no-where near comic accurate. Colin Farrell? As much as I've liked some of his work, he was FUCKING PATHETIC in this film. It was just fucking awful. And Duncan as The Kingpin was a fucking terrible idea from the get-go. Oh and Tom Rothman is a cunt.
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Glad they removed the lame love scene between Matt and Elektra only to have DD kick more ass since it's a superhero's code before getting a piece of ass. Bullseye's costume or lackthereof, looks like some lame ass design from the Crow Movies. It's Johnson's best effort which ain't really saying much. (Have you seen Ghost Rider??!!??)
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June 8, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST
Something simply must be done to allow the Fox/Sony licensed characters to be able to somehow unite with the larger Marvel Studios movie-verse!
by EastcoastAvenger
Must have Wolverine/Hulk fight. Must have Silver Surfer if Infinity Guntlet/Thanos is used! Would really like to see Spiderman at least alluded to, if not seen, in any future Marvel films that will take place in the New York area, aka Fantastic Four, Dare Devil, Dr. Strange.
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I thought they were talking to him for The Wolverine...? Great, way to go Fox - hype up one film then leave it hanging, just so you can take a servicable director like Slade and throw him on another Marvel project. It's not like Slade's high art or anything, so, y'know... could have kept this on the backburner for a while longer. I just want The Wolverine. Come on...
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Watchmen?
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Coolio needs to be in more movies.
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June 8, 2011, 8:33 a.m. CST
I thought the Director's Cut was actually pretty dark and cool.
by Mr Nicholas
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The handicapped/disabled can achieve great things in comicbook land.
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Now you've got me craving a movie about "a crazy guy who just likes to dress as Satan and beat people." Thanks a lot.
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Nordling, it won't fix most of the problems you had with the theatrical film, but it's far and away the superior version.
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Ben Affleck is too much of an asshole to play Matt Murdock. You need someone who seems genuinely GOOD. Or can at least fake it.
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I agree on all your points. Spidey teaming up with any other marvel herowould make me want to see it multiple times if done right! I did hear that they were thinking for Spider-man 2, that Doc Ock didn't invent his harness but Tony Stark did. I don't know if that was in the novel or in a previous script, but still would have been cool.
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just throwing that out there
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I think he's been a fucked-up loser ever since he was "Broken". Because a screwed up character is more fun to write.
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FACT: This will never hit the theaters. DOA. You heard it here first.
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... erm, that's about it, really. Nothing more to add.
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June 8, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST
Duncan's "Amos and Andy" version of the Kingpin hurts "Daredevil"
by cookylamoo
It's like he mixed up the Kingpin with the Kingfish.
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As my fav hero, I welcome any DD news about a new film. However, I'll echo the reservations many have about the "Born Again" saga being put into one movie. If Fox is smart, they would think "franchise" and maybe then they could really tackle "Born Again" over at least 2 movies. As for the MSJ directed original...I've always been vocal on AICN that I really liked it. I hated the casting of Affleck but when I saw the movie I felt he did great. In fact, I've liked him ever since! But I'll be the first to admit my opinion shouldn't count, I was just happy as shit to have DD on the big screen. I've enjoyed mostly all the Marvel movies. "Ghost Rider" was the only one I disliked, but I never read those comics either. I LOVE movies...but I don't take the superhero movies too seriously. "Daredevil" was only 8 years ago, but already so much has changed in the genre. I'm sure a new version will be great.
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I even like Corman's Fantastic Four better than that CGI shit-fest.
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I don't get the hate for the movie. I think they got a lot of the scenes and concepts right. I think Affleck was just fine. Really, it was the Elektra and Kingpin casting that pulled it down. I didn't believe for a second that Garner was a Greek ninja assassin - but I never watched Alias, so I didn't have that association. Her character was rushed and really didn't belong in the first movie. As others said, it wasn't Duncan's race that was the problem, it was the way the character was written. It was a bit too MTV, a bit too pimpy, and not the hardened fucked up Wade Wilson who went from an object of mockery to the baddest ass in the biz. Farrell's Bullseye was not the character from the comics either, but it worked for the movie. So I'd like to see a good reboot and a decent trilogy that takes Miller's run, Bendis' run and Brubaker's run as a basis, like Nolan's Batman. And by the way, that playground scene everyone hates? It was lifted directly from the comics, but it wasn't Elektra he fought, it was Echo (who I actually think is a more interesting character than Elektra). And the scene made more sense because she was deaf and was using her skills to visually copy his moves.
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great actor, he's already in great shape (gamer) and can play tortured soul well. too bad dolph lundgren is old or he could have been a great Nuke...
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I could not agree more. All of Marvel's characters should just be bought back by the studio so we could get some quality films instead of reboot after reboot by outside studios just so they could keep the license. Just imagine a Civil War or Secret Wars film on the big screen. Maybe someday. I just hope I live to see it. And what was up with no Stick? I was sorely disapointed when Matt was training himself(?) instead of having Stick there to teach him. Hopefully this reboot will include Stick.
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we saw it, the character is boring if not stupid and totally uninteresting. end of story. Move onto the next super hero. Super Stay Home Dad!
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What the hell. And yes, DD was one of my favorites as a kid. Along with Fantastic Four, which I trust NO ONE will ever get on film right.
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Reading your bashing of the film I could tell you had never seen the director's cut. The director's cut is a completely different film and FAR superior and your unwillingness to watch it is pretty ignorant. Just lost a lot of points.
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...Affleck wasn't daredevil, MCD wasn't Kingpin(because, you know...KingPin isn't black), Farrell wasn't Bullseye, and Garner wasn't Elektra. I mean, c'mon... that movie suffered because of casting. They aren't bad actors at all, but they aren't super hero quality/tendered talent. Make it rated R, make it grizzly, make it dark. Daredevil CAN have a good reboot....
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June 8, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST
Nordling you coward! Everyone at AICN LOVED the last Daredevil
by Nabster
All the writers at AICN unanimously LOVED the last film. They sucked the cock of Daredevil. And now they are trying to rewrite history by pretending they didn't like it. Just like Fat Harry's pitiful atempt to pretend he didn't love Godzilla and the Phantom Menace. And what are these lame criticism with the last Daredevil piece of shit? "They didn't get the characters?" Lol. What BS. And Collin Farrel was good? He was the worst of the lot. It was a 100% shitty flim, it had nothing to do with getting the characters. In fact, they DID get Daredevil. And yes, he is A LOT like Batman. There's not much to him, just like there's not much to any superhero.
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colin farrel chewed the scenery, overacting and treating the role like a goofy joke. At least the other actors tried to take the material seriously! It baffles me how I can have COMPLETELY different complaints about a movie than most geeks. ... I loved ben affleck. Garner wasn't a cold marble assassin warrior, but she was still a hot warrior and believably wounded by her daddy's death. ... I thought Kingpin was all wrong because he spoke like an idiot, pleased with himself over vapid shallow statements. ugh. He just felt tacked on (much like the extra final fight in the first crow movie - some writer needed to make it about fighting corporate rich people, instead of sticking with the character's core problems). While most of the fights/action seemed stiff/staged, i thought they did a great job of making the character feel like an average joe struggling with the scars he'd acquired while trying to do right. THBBT!
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office if they existed in the "Marvel film" universe.
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Then year one...I don't know what happened to him after that. Anything for Marvel or DC past that point was just some of the worst garbage ever.
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I enjoy films that genuinely explore shades of grey. Daredevil really did explore whether vigilantism can ever be good, what happens when it goes too far and where the line is. Most comic book films only ever have a brief nod to this, if at all, with the actions of superheroes being portrayed as having almost no ill-effects whatsoever. This film did look at what happens when someone decides that they can provide more effective justice than the law. Also, any film that has the line "You're not looking for forgiveness, you're looking for permission" from a priest in the confession box has my vote.
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June 8, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST
John Rhys-Davies was a great Kingpin in the Hulk tv movie.
by Royston Lodge
I'd LOVE to see Rhys-Davies reprise the role. After LotR, I think his profile is high enough to carry it off. I could also see Michael Gambon in the role.
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Which isn't to say Daredevil didnt' completely blow. As a kid Punisher and DD were 2 of my fav marvel heroes and gaddamnit if they can't translate those characters on the big screen. Hope this reboot doesn't suck ass
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But that park scene (as some have said) was what kills both versions for me. That scene is the only think I think of when I think of the movie. Take out that one scene and I know I would Have revisited that movie again. M.S.Johnson is a weak director.
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Courtesy of Adam and Joe, two middle-class mirthsters of middling infamy in the UK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QtlT2AroY
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He just knows how to make quality films. He can give us the stuff we love in superhero films(fight scenes, actors that resemble comic iterations, GOOD actors,believable dialogue...)-and the stuff we love from the comics (costumes, yet done where it's believable/serves a purpose). I could care less about Daredevil, but I thought the same about X-MEN(and the bastard made me hungry for more).
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I had the chance to read this a while back, and was blown away. great fucking story. was never a huge DD fan, but after reading Bendis and Maleevs epic run, picked this up and was blown away. they better get this right the 2nd time around.
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the cast was the least of it's problems! I totally welcome a new Daredevil movie, but with FOX pulling the strings, I don't have my hopes up.
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June 8, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST
They hired a FRINGE guy to wrote a new Daredevil movie? Oh boy!!
by AsimovLives
As for the older DAREDEVIL movie, it's alright, nothing special about it (though i found Jennifer Garner very hot in it), but it's also not the horrible piece of shit that the geekry makes it out to be. It's somewhere in the middle, as in, a forgetable movie that easily forgets about it except when it's mentioned again.
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June 8, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST
i liked Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. He stole the movie everytime he was in.
by AsimovLives
I loved that he was this suave sophisticated guy with impecable taste in clothing with the physical of a huge bodybuilder and not shy to use it.
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I heard how terrible it was, I avoided the Theater. ...I haven't even bothered to rent it.
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... if you catch my drift. ;-)
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it ruined that much of your life,huh?
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He's not a good writer. He had a good idea, infusing film noir with ninjas into Daredevil, but his actual writing is embarrassing. The best man to ever write the title was Bendis, and the storylines where Murdock is outed and then becomes the Kingpin himself is your reboot, right there. When the film ends with Daredevil kicking Kingpins ass in front of everyone and declaring himself the new boss of Hell's Kitchen, people will walk out of the theater with their pants filled with poop, waiting desperately for the sequel. Which will inevitably disappoint.
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June 8, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST
Peter Dinklage for Matt Murdock/Daredevil. You know you want it!
by Boober
He would be the most memorable Matt Murdock...EVER!
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I like Michael C Hall, but realistically he's 40 and not a movie star. You all know the bullshit list of actors the studios will try to get for this : Robert Pattinson, Alex Pettyfer, Justin Timberlake, Shia Labeouf, Channing Tatum etc.
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if they want a full reboot...do it right...along the line of how they are handling batman
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I caugh your drift, and i agree. She was yummy, specially in the training scene! Affleck must have though the same, because he did not rested until he married her and made her the mother of his kids.
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June 8, 2011, 6:39 p.m. CST
I know what i'm going to say will prove to be too popular in here (nothing new for me, then)...
by AsimovLives
... but i think the idea of the ninjas in the Daredevil stories was... well, retard. It took away from the character waht made him unique and turned him into a low level ninja with need of futher training. I pretend that crap never existed inthe history of the character. Elektra being a highly trainer ninja, sure, but DD? Way to cheappen his character.
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They need to get a blacktor for DD. People are sick and tired of white people. Whites are just so boring. Dave Chapelle would be an inspired choice, but he's probably too old.
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June 8, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST
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They'll probably fucking nail it. If they go in trying to make a great superhero/action/fantasy, they'll probably make a piece of shit. In essence, that is why Daredevil appealed to me so much as a kid, they were real dark crime stories, not superhero shit.
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I remember reading this when I was growing up and it was one of those stories that just hit right on every note. It was what made Daredevil one of my all time favorite characters and established Frank Miller as one of my favorite writers. I know Dark Knight Returns is what brought Frank into the limelight but his Daredevil work is what I loved the most. David Mazzucelli's work was also gorgeous. It was a great time to grow up reading comics. If this movie is done right it could be amazing.
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That goes off on a huge rant about source material. Daredevil as a movie was fine(it even made its money back and then some at the box office), and I'm quite sure whatever wet dream you have wrapped up in an idea of how things Should Have Been(tm) would have tanked. How you imagine, and how things turn out, are two wildly different things. Now Elektra, that as a pure example of an all-around turd.
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A successful 21st Century Super-Hero movie is a larger-than-life fx heavy epic like Spider-man, X-Men, etc. The best Daredevil comics could be adapted to film on an indie movie budget. Meaning the best DD stories are personal and grounded. You don't need Doc Ock, Sinestro, or Abomination type villain threatening to blow up the city in your DD movie. When Hollywood invests in a super-hero movie they want to inject over-the-top cgi and won't accept a story focusing personal triumph vs. cathartic villain-bashing and kissing the girl at the end. Don't get me wrong, I loved just about every modern Marvel movie except Elekta and Punisher War Zone. But unless a studio wants to really take a leap of faith with Daredevil, I doubt we'll ever see a movie this character deserves.
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This is awesome. That was a great book. Please do Daredevil right...Daredevil is actually a character that could use a crossover character, ala Spiderman. www.dailybullseye.com
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I have an all key issue of Daredevil comic for sale. Includes DD#1 Don't have #2 or 3. But petty muck every relevant issue after that. Includes Amazing Spiderman # 50 (first app of Kingpin) and the Nick Fury# 15 debuting the Bullseye prototype as well as the modern Bullseye in DD # 131 The entire Miller run, first red costume #7 etc. Signed issue of #168 ( 1st app of Elektra). Contact me @ phil.fritz@hotmail.com send offers and i will "estimate" the grades.
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Put Ian McShane if a fat suit for King Pin. Mila Jovovich as electra, and Guy Pierce as DD. Nuff Said !
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Too bad he was around five decades too early.
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smddoc> Not bad choices. But I'd like my Elektra a bit more voluptuous. Some suggestions for key characters... Elektra- Angelina Jolie, a major star to be sure. But she can really become characters to get past her notoriety and has the look & physical requirements. Foggy- Paul Giamatti, would be a perfect choice. Favreau really was great, but doesn't look the part now. Stick- Lance Henriksen, I saw this elsewhere and now can't get him out of my mind! That voice. But I also wouldn't mind seeing a Japanese actor, and Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa (Mortal Kombat baddie etc.) would be good too. DD- Chris Pine, I think would have the look (w/ glasses & in costume), but also the right stature. Battle weary and bruised like Affleck conveyed, Pine could do very well. Now, how in the hell do you create Kingpin? Same question from me back in the early 2000s, and while MCD wasn't obvious he clearly was a bold choice to create a villain THAT large and physically imposing. I was okay with him, and really like the final fight with DD. I'd rather avoid the character all together, unless some very clever CGI is used. But how about Kingpin as a behind the scenes villain, while Owl, Mister Fear, or Typhoid Mary (have we had a female villain on film) act as the main antagonist? Keep Kingpin in the shadows utilizing his voice, and focusing on the fear he instils in his minions, politicians, law enforcement, and even super powered villains. Clever directing showing nervous and intimidated actors instead of the Kingpin himself might be a smarter choice. I really don't want a fat suit or some obvious CGI. Making Kingpin powerful and imposing is the most important part, otherwise you risk going Joel Schumacher and 90s camp. "Born Again" is classic stuff, but why not look to the "Marvel Knights" crossover potential? Throw Ray Stevenson's Punisher in there, a Doc Strange cameo to launch his movie, even Nick Cage's Ghost Rider. The casts of Spider-Man, Batman Begins & Iron Man proved that bringing real star power to superhero films is the best way to make a blockbuster, and possible franchise. Pine may be only knocking on the door today, but adding Jolie, Giamatti, and maybe some big crossover cameos would bring Daredevil to another level.
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Really, he could have fit right in on the Batman TV show.
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If Jolie is too well known, my next choice would be Olga Kurylenko. While Mila Kunis (too short) or Olivia Wilde have the right face, Kurylenko's body matches better. She's tall and has the curves.
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Never let anyone else try to tell you anything different.
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I just watched the Director's Cut again. It had it's share of problems. Sometimes MCD was great, and sometimes he was corny as hell; that's the script's fault. Jennifer Garner isn't much of an actor, and I didn't for a second believe that she was Greek, but she was fun to watch. Seeing Frank Miller get killed by Bullseye? Awesome. Ben Affleck did an ok job; his best scenes were his banter with Jon Favreau. Incidentally, if Favreau had not been in this movie and made the connections with Marvel that he did, would he have been the director for Iron Man?
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Pass.
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It adds some substance to Matt Murdock and gives Foggy Nelson a lot more screen time. It doesnt make the movie "better" it just makes it feel like you didnt waste your time sitting through them movie like the theatrical cut does.
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He loves the character and has made two great movies.
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Get the fans to organize. Boycott any Marvel movie that isn't produced by Disney/Marvel.
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