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Harry says X-MEN: FIRST CLASS is another winner for Matthew Vaughn!!!

Just got in at 3:30am from a day that had 5 theatrical screenings of feature films & 2 hours of Rehab, so I'm very tired, but I have got to write about Matthew Vaughn's X-MEN: FIRST CLASS.   I'm not going to go whole hog into the nitty grittys of the story...   In a nutshell you have the CIA kick start the movement that would later become the X-MEN - and then you have Sebastian Shaw doing some global deviousness.   Two teams...  shit goes down.

Infinitely better than the first X-MEN along with both of the apocalyptically dreadful and tedious X3 and WOLVERINE.   The real benchmark is...  how does it compare to X2?   I personally feel that given multiple viewings I'm going to end up preferring X2, but I could be wrong.   There's a lot to love about this new one.   From the Silver Age time frame to every moment of Fassbender & McAvoy's Magneto & Xavier.   In particular I'm rather delighted to see a bit of the swinging dick version of pre-Prof X.  Fassbender is given the meatier role.   It begins with his story arc - and he has all the best motivations for his actions.  Chuck is more or less just getting started in many ways.   

Kevin Bacon does a fine job of Sebastian Shaw...  though I always had my heart set on Robert Shaw for that part...  alas he's dead and even if he wasn't...  he'd be way too old for the part, so that's kinda like one of those empty bitchings that we geeks are often noted for.   

As a film, it is incredibly entertaining, there's two very strong emotionally resonant moments in the film that are pulled off exquisitely - and I will most certainly not ruin them.   Best use of "FUCK" in a PG13 film in a real long damn time, if not the best.   (Feel free to discuss the best single use of FUCK in a PG13 flick!)   How much better are the FX compared to the last 2?   Remember that real shitty diamond form of Emma Frost in WOLVERINE...   in X-MEN: FIRST CLASS that continue that form of Emma, only this time...  holy shit it's amazing to stare at.   Just a beautifully realized version of the "power".   Wow.  

Every FX shot is better that anything in X1, X3 & Wolverine.  I love that we get to see recruiting and teaching of how to use powers, plus awesome rec-room showing off.   Plus fights!  

It is one of the best Marvel films, but...  what keeps me from going over the moon for the film is my far stronger love for the original comic material.   I can put it aside, appreciate the film, love it as a "What If" kind of story...  but the day FOX gets a great team to adapt the original Claremont run of X-MEN...  Hell, I'd flat out begin it with the story from GIANT SIZE X-MEN 1 - and then play from there.   

The hardcore X-fans should love what Vaughn has accomplished with this film.   Bringing the series back from the edge of oblivion.   Giving FOX a fantastic pair of leads for future adventures...  but as they move forward, putting a team together that is made up of the right members...  well, I'm just saying...  it'd fucking mean the world to me and millions of others.   This tone is absolutely note perfect, but a closer adherence to the characters would be nice.   For example, Nicholas Hoult was nearly perfect as Hank McCoy / Beast - but he does have one, relatively simple problem that keeps him from completely being the character.   Actually 2 things.   1st, dialogue.   Beast needs to have the wittiest dialogue of any of the characters, he's brilliant scientifically as well as being a man of letters.   They hint at it, but his dialogue is never quite sharp enough.   Then in fights - he's the kind of character that you need to see moving amazingly throughout a long shot doing impossibly awesome gymnastic and mesmerizing movements that put any Martial Artist to shame....  and it needs to be amazing.

My fave new character given the live action treatmen is Caleb Landry Jones' Sean Cassidy / Banshee.   He is just a delight to watch.   For one, the optical rendering of his power is just so comic booky awesome that I get the giggles thinking about it.   Plus - as a redhead, thanks for casting a real redhead & keeping the stripey squirrel wings.   

The set up from where we go from this film is just perfect.   We're going to see some greatness so long as the best screenwriters and directors get ahold of this property - and especially if they actually get the teams right.   They should also not be afraid of getting a little more science fictiony and cosmic with X-MEN.   Make this stuff even more grand.

Imagining how much better X3 would have been had Vaughn directed it will be the primary conversation amongst my friends for the next couple weeks.   How about you?

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  • June 3, 2011, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Post X

    by HEADGEEK

    Here's my X-MEN: FIRST CLASS review written between 3:40am & now

  • June 3, 2011, 4:44 a.m. CST

    still not paying to see it

    by murren

    still pissed about x-men origins; wolverine.

  • June 3, 2011, 4:52 a.m. CST

    guess everyone in America is asleep still......

    by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm

  • June 3, 2011, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Somewhat disappointing, but fun

    by drwilliamweir

    There's a lot Harry's really glossed over in this review... then again, he tends to write emotional responses, which are just as valid in my opinion, and the friends I went with enjoyed it just as much as he. Personally, I found First Class to be incredibly disjointed as an experience. I'd be sitting there, having fun and rolling with it, but the problems would then flare up and ruin it for me. Off line readings, strange dialogue which is often quite trite. Some of the television voiceovers were hilariously awful! Annoying subtitling for locations. Brought it far too in line with Austin Powers. Characters suddenly going against people for no reason whatsoever, then trying to kill them? Obvious ones who're there to die. Others that are just not set up at all and just make up background noise. The constant movement from scene to scene with very little room to breathe. Very little scene setting and strange blocking. Smells a little of studio interference. Referring to the other films, whilst nice and strong where appropriate, is often so lightly done it takes away from the picture. And the soundtrack was occasionally incredibly irksome. WE GET IT. IT'S IN THE SIXTIES. FINE. MOVE ON. But these things are just about made up for by the general enthusiasm and what it gets right. It just needed more script work and more time spent on the characters that matter, allow them room so actions are lent weight. There's a good film ready to be made again after X2, but this isn't quite it. It's a mishmash of a movie. Nearly there but not quite. Maybe the next one, if Fox don't meddle with the director and let it breathe.

  • June 3, 2011, 4:54 a.m. CST

    OH! And...

    by drwilliamweir

    ... don't get me started on some of the special effects. They ranged from startling to outrageously awful. To the point where you start wondering if it's meant to be that way to be retro?

  • June 3, 2011, 4:58 a.m. CST

    PLUS!

    by drwilliamweir

    Beasts make up. Most unintentionally awkward and funny reveal in a movie I've ever seen. Ever.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Absolutely Loved the Film - except *spoiler*

    by tailhook

    They *really* blew their load too early on this one. See, what absolutely tore the screen up was bringing The Hellfire Club to life and Bacon and the crew just absolutely owned. That first scene when Bacon just starts breaking into laughter and practically doing fist pumps as Erik goes nuts was pure gold. The problem is that where the movie ended is where a 3rd movie in the 'prequel' trilogy should have ended. With Shaw going down, and The Hellfire Club being folded into a now christened Magneto's crew, the X-men being split between the two and Xavier getting his wheels. That then seals it up and ties directly into the first X-men movie some years later after they've been at it for some time and the events of the first 3 films. The problem with having everything sealed up now and Magneto in charge of *his* crew, is that you know Magneto will always lose and that the major players can never die. That undercuts the drama. *How* The Hellfire Club went down(along with all sorts of red shirts) and their manipulations of major events in history is really the only thing they brought to the table, and they sealed that up. Such a shame. Basically, awesome move... they just left no interest in a sequel. The Charles and Xavier show was done in the first 3 films.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:02 a.m. CST

    DAMNIT! AND!

    by drwilliamweir

    Fassbender turning Irish in the last third of the film. Bizarre.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:05 a.m. CST

    er...

    by tailhook

    The Xavier and Magneto show i meant :>

  • June 3, 2011, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Some probs I had with the 1st X-Men...

    by drwilliamweir

    ... the Macguffin was badly realised. A weird blob. So many films try to get away with the Weird Blob ending and it NEVER works. Sabretooth was just... wrong. The last issue I had was Storms "toad" line reading. The worst kiss-off line in cinema!

  • June 3, 2011, 5:19 a.m. CST

    about 45 minutes in X3 falls apart

    by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm

    if you watch all of them back to back its a natural progression through the films and you can see where the Singer / Vaughn infuence wears off and the Ratner takes over and its shite.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:20 a.m. CST

    When you have reached the bottom that is Wolverine the only way is up.

    by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm

  • June 3, 2011, 5:22 a.m. CST

    "guess everyone in America is asleep still......"

    by Shermdawg

    Nah, we were in Capone's talkback. Didn't know this one was up.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:26 a.m. CST

    I bet it's not in the same league as Kick-Ass...

    by workshed

    I was disappointed when Vaughn got attached to this shiddy franchise. He's a far better film-maker than this series deserves imo and (even though I haven't seen the film but, really, I'm not interested after wasting almost four hours of my life on X3 & Wolverine) 'First Class' is a step backwards in his career. X-Men certainly needed Matthew more than he needed it. I just hope he can recover and go back to making the one-off genre-twisting concepts he was delivering so well with K-A and Stardust.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:28 a.m. CST

    best X-movie by far

    by drave117

    Vaughn knocked this one out of the park. Absolutely LOVED IT!

  • June 3, 2011, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Jennifer Lawrence's lips keep screaming, ...

    by Hercules

    ... "make out with me. " She is the hottest of stuff, in or out of the blue. Rose Byrne as Moira awesomely sexy also.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:39 a.m. CST

    I am glad no one has mentioned who uses the word Fuck in this film yet.....

    by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm

    unless everyone already knows...........

  • June 3, 2011, 5:41 a.m. CST

    RE Storm

    by drwilliamweir

    Doesn't matter if it was in character, if you're writing a screenplay and setting up a kickass scene, then the line should deliver! It was WHACK, bro! WHACK!

  • June 3, 2011, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Can't wait to see this!

    by TheBoyFromUlster

    Going on Saturday night to see it, can't wait. One of the few films that I have not read any reviews for (doing same with Super 8), fed up reading asshole reviews on sites and in newspapers where the reviewer gives away stacks of spoilers without even the idiot realizing he’s doing it. Envy the Wife and friends going into films without a clue of what is going to happen and not knowing nearly ¾ of the plot, which I usually do! Best use of the word 'fuck' in a PG film? Without doubt, Galaxy Quest. When Sigourney says 'Well Fuck that!' when she sees those stamping things in the spaceship, I roared with laughter. X-Men 2? In the top 3 of best comic book films ever made. The opening with Night Crawler had me hooked and never let go to the end credits, cinema experience I will never forget.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Michael Fassbener is now my new "favorite" actor!!!

    by ganymede3010

    ***MINOR SPOILERS*** My lord he knocked the role out of the park. His rendition of Magneto was completely ruthless and without mercy. Whenever he came on the screen someone was going to pay lol. My second favorite character in this movie is beast. This version is a trillion times better than Kelsey Grammar's monstrosity. They nailed the look, mannerism's, and yes, he even dawned his glasses and the voice was dead on. James McAvoy was brilliant, when I first heard he was casted I thought it was a horrendous casting choice. Fortunately, he was spectacular, both he and Vaughn did a remarkable job in bringing that character to life. The only criticism I have is the running time, the movie should of ran about 40 minutes longer IMO. Lastly, why did the brotha mutant have to die first lol? Actually he can't die, Darwin can adapt to anything, I'm sure they're saving him for the sequel. I can go on for ages about this film, to make a long story short, it was a great X-MEN film.

  • wtf??? Harry, you were either half asleep when you wrote this or you need to get your meds under control

  • June 3, 2011, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Kick-Ass was fucking AWFUL.

    by UMAGA

    That makes me not want to see this. That and I have no fucking idea what is and what isn't canon anymore. Kiddie Mystique was talking to kiddie Xavier? So they're the same age now? And all these characters that don't appear in the other X-Men movies, they die right? Whateves.

  • June 3, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    umaga SPOILER

    by Shermdawg

    Hank does tests on Mystique while trying to develop a cure for those stricken with physically deformed appearances, he learns her power causes her to age slowly. "You'll still look as if you're a teenager when you're forty." Also, according to the events and cameos in this film, only the Singer installments are canon.

  • June 3, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    FIRST CLASS is easily the best of the franchise to date :)

    by Bloodhound

    This is one time when the younger versions of the characters are sooo much better than the oldies. Performances, writing, story and direction are all superior to those in the lame-arsed trilogy that went before it. Forget the three (or four) movies before this one, let the reboot commence here!

  • June 3, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST

    X3 still would've been shit

    by mascan42

    The script was a worse problem than Ratner's direction.

  • June 3, 2011, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Ratner

    by drwilliamweir

    People forget he came on board without any control, very late in the day with months to go, regardless of what that meant and did the best he could - and made a serviceable action film. Just not a particularly great X-Men movie.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Beetlejuice - best F-bomb in a PG13

    by SpazMatic1074

    *Kicks tree in the model of the town, tree dramaticaly falls over. Keaton does a double take. "NICE FUCKIN MODEL!!" *grabs crotch* *HONK HONK*

  • June 3, 2011, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Worried that this isn't waaay better than X2.

    by parissun

    The film was good. It's overrated by many. Singer ultimately ruined the franchise by boxing in the story in X2. Hopely this version will pump life back into the frachise and give us a better start.

  • The wire work was awful - all the flying stuff with ron weasley and the crap gnat girl looked terrible. Fassbender was amazing and then blew everything - really, everything - by suddenly being Irish at the end. Teleport - don't try and catch missiles, just f***ing teleport out of there. The whirlwind guy - worst bad guy in a long time, did he have any dialogue? or was he just there to look like a terrible David Copperfield? Ahhhhh, hold on, wasn't Vaugn's wife married to Copperfield? maybe its a deliberate dig at him? Awful comic book dialogue, just got really painful with the whole calling them XMen and stuff, plus that wheelchair? who the hell designed that piece of unusable crap?! The end ruined an almost great film :(

  • June 3, 2011, 7:40 a.m. CST

    "The wire work was awful"

    by Shermdawg

    Have you seen an X-men film before? That shit was a HUGE step up (as long as we're not talking about the Nightcrawler scene from X2.)

  • June 3, 2011, 7:45 a.m. CST

    younger Geoffrey Rush = perfect Sebastian Shaw

    by Nerd Rage

    Robert Shaw was too working class for the Hellfire club.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Finally

    by Nerd Rage

    a goddamn X-men review at AICN.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Did you not see Capone's?

    by Shermdawg

  • June 3, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Kick Ass is a good movie.

    by Nerd Rage

    Any other director would've butchered it. Love the scene where Hit Girl attempts to rescue Big Daddy.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Fuck this franchise

    by NightArrows

    X1 - Outside of a few very small moments, this film was bad. It hasn't aged well either. I give it props for kickstarting the genre again, but it ruined half of the characters, had a shitty script, awful action scenes and again RUINED SABERTOOTH AND WOLVERINE (Jackman is great, the handling of his character is not, and Sabertooth was just fucking awful, fuck you Singer/FOX for not understand one iota of that relationship you fucking dolts). X2 - The continuing spiral down of the franchise, with moments of pure awesome that help it rise a little (Nightcrawler's attack on the White House, Colossus finally showing up, Wolverine takes out some scrub Spec Op douchebags). The rest is a pap smear. X3 - Garbage from top to bottom. The final nail in the franchise, damage done. First Class? Could not care one iota about this film. I really, really want to, but it's simply bullshit. It might very well be a good "film", but it's got Singer's awful taint all over it and FOX, well, FOX can suck my fucking ass.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST

    I agree about Banshee

    by Argentino

    Not an interesting comicbook character but for some reason the actor was realy fun to watch. Havok on the other hand came off a little bit like a douchebag. I think the continuity problems were minor, but some of them were easily avoidable. Moira could have been some other character since they changed her profesion and her age doesn't match with X3. And (MINOR SPOILER) I can't believe managed to keep that cameo secret (END SPOILER) Final thought: Am I the only one who thought that Emma Frost was too skinny? They should have casted a more curvi actrees, January Jones looked anorexic in my opinion. Her bra looked 2 sizes too big for her, a push up bra will only get you so far.

  • June 3, 2011, 8 a.m. CST

    Plus, Vaughn knocked up January Jones!

    by Frat Boy

    Bonus!

  • June 3, 2011, 8 a.m. CST

    argentino

    by Shermdawg

    They had originally cast Alice Eve for Emma, but unfortunately she dropped out/was let go. Also the continuity problems with Moira don't exist because X3 no longer is canon.

  • June 3, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Too bad they can't mix this w/Avengers..

    by darthwaz1

    I hate the fact that different company's hold rights to these movies so they can't mix and match everything. How awesome would it be to have Wolverine show up in an Avengers movie?? Or Spidey for that matter, or FF!

  • June 3, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST

    shermdawg

    by Argentino

    Just googled Alice Eve, that's what I'm talking about! Why the hell didn't they stick to that body type? I did read that X3 and Wolverine aren't canon in some review, but is that official? I don't buy it at all. That would create more problems than solutions.

  • June 3, 2011, 8:29 a.m. CST

    It appears to be official.

    by Shermdawg

    Remember X3's opening at the Grey house? Moira's age in X3? The teenage Emma in Origins? In her 30's here. Teenage Scott in Origins? 7-10 here. Origins took place in '79, First Class '62 Doesn't match up. Sure there are inconsistencies with the creation of Cerebro in X1, but we can just chalk that up to them talking about the Cerebro at the mansion.

  • June 3, 2011, 8:31 a.m. CST

    I'm seeing this manjana, dammit!

    by Stalkeye

    And without the tacked on "3D" make me wanna see this even moreso. (Well, I'm curious on how well Vaughn can handle a major marvel franchise.) And Kick Ass was very good, sowwies haters. )0:

  • June 3, 2011, 8:32 a.m. CST

    I WOULD'VE PREFERRED JENNIFER LAWRENCE AS EMMA FROST

    by BSB

    With her soft, beautiful face, golden locks and slammin' body she would've been a far better choice to see in that slick outfit. Jones looks kinda guyly to me.

  • June 3, 2011, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Best F bomb

    by Baz

    Billy Madison-you get your ass out there and you find that fuckin' dog!(As an Aussie not sure of other movie's US ratings)

  • June 3, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    By far the best F-Bomb

    by Fractal514

    Anchorman "Go fuck yourself San Diego." It was hilarious, it was a crucial part of the plot, and overall just trumps any other answer that could be given.

  • June 3, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    I see what you mean shermdawg, but

    by Argentino

    by that criteria you should also take X2 out of canon just because Beast apears in human form on TV, while he's in beast form before (First Class) and after (X3) those events. Maybe he temporarily recovered his human form by that time, but you can use similar explanations for the other continuity issues which, like I said before, are all minor ones in my opinion. For instance: - Charles temporarily recovers the use of his legs from Origins to X3's flashback at the Grey House. - Emma in Origins is other (similar) character. She didn't display telepathy and wasn't called Frost in the movie. Plus, she was Kayla Silverfox's sister, so she could be Emma Silverfox for all I care. - Scott doesn't have to be Alex's brother in this universe. I don't know what you mean with "7-10 here" - I agree with what you said about Cerebro. - Like I said, Moira should have been some other character but it's a minor issue. Maybe she became a scientist after quiting CIA and just looks younger than she should in X3. Or fuck, maybe she was de-aged by some mutant at some point, you know, like the Simpsons said "a wizard did it".

  • June 3, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Phoenix Saga So Lame

    by Autodidact

    The lamest part of X3, by far, is the treatment of "Phoenix" AKA Jean Gray on qualuudes.

  • June 3, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST

    argentino

    by Shermdawg

    The Beast cameo can be explained as use of the holographic doohickey he used in the comics to conceal his actual appearance during public outings. Charles recovering the use of his legs....AND patching things up with Erik? Both Alex and Scott share the last name Summers. It's obvious Alex is the older sibling here....or a cousin...or whatever, but Scott clearly appears in First Class at the age of 7-10 in the Cerebro sequence. The year is 1962. Origins showed him at 15-16 in 1979.

  • June 3, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Jesus what is so god damn bad about X3?

    by HoboCode

    Apocalyptically dreadful? Get a fucking life. It was fun and entertaining. And shockingly well made for a Ratner movie. I give credit for that mostly to Singer's pre-production efforts though.

  • It's too early for them to definitely end their friendship. I missed Scott in the Cerebro sequence. In fact I didn't recognize any character in that sequence, were there any other ones? If you're right, that would be another unnecesary mistake. They could have chosen 100 different characters. I know some of my explanations are silly, but they're plausible considering the context and genre. Plus we've seen way more stupid things happen in the comics, including Beast's "holographic doohickey".

  • June 3, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    The Cerebro sequence...

    by Shermdawg

    Shows both Scott and Storm, maybe more...

  • June 3, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    I mean if you take into account the things I mentioned...

    by Shermdawg

    As well as the fact that the last two installments were disliked by critics, a decent sized percentage of the fans, and both Singer and Vaughn, not to mention the next Wolverine will supposedly have no ties to Origins, ya can't help but think that they've cast both films off in terms of continuity.

  • June 3, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    shermdawg - wirework

    by CampKoala

    just because its better than another film, doesn't make it acceptable. The whole flying around/chase sequence was fucking awful, they may as well have just left the crane and wire visible. Yanked me right out of watching a well made film in to shitty spy kids. just crashed and burned from that point on.

  • June 3, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    No End Credits scene.

    by butterbean

  • June 3, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Which left a lot of people red assed!

    by butterbean

    Awwww man! What a jip!! Spoiled brats.

  • June 3, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    The flight fight great.

    by Shermdawg

    Nice to finally see that sort of thing in an X-men film.

  • June 3, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    *was

    by Shermdawg

  • June 3, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    maybe but that would be a lazy solution

    by Argentino

    And would in long term confuse audiences way more than the minor continuity isues we've seen so far. How do you explain to the common film goer that those 2 movies "don't count"? Plus, can you imagine an X-Men DVD/Bluray pack coming out that excludes X3 and Origins? They're part of the series whether we (and Singer and Vaugh) like it or not. There's plenty of stories and characters to explore, if they've failed with one direction they should explore another one, and not pretend that it never happened and redo it, or worse, reboot the series and waste time setting up characters and origins (like they're doing with Spider-Man).

  • June 3, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST

    The flying sequences were ALL dreadful...

    by drwilliamweir

    The second fight SPOILER ruined by a character that had zero character development trying to kill people they'd been partying and joking with half an hour before, who was apparently sad at leaving the others SPOILER. X3 (which I enjoyed as equally as First Class) DID do the Phoenix story wrong, true, but First Class has some equally heinous crimes against script, continuity and attention to detail.

  • June 3, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    thisisntnamtherearerules

    by Argentino

    I totally agree with you regardind X3. I honestly think Ratner did a good job all things considered. The flight fight at the end WAS kind of awkward. Specially when Banshee catched Havok but still could glide with one arm.

  • June 3, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    I've heard Vaughn left X-3 because the script was dreadful

    by sunwukong86

    I'm not 100% positive but I'm sure I read that somewhere

  • June 3, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST

    First of all, the X3 that we got wasn't Singer's.

    by Shermdawg

    Secondly, why is he a dick for being forced out? If I was in the hostile environment that he was with Berry and Rothman, I would've bolted too. Only I wouldn't have raped Superman as badly as he did. Bryan stated his vision was for a two picture arc in X3 & X4. From the X3's wiki... Singer revealed that at the time of his departure they had partially written a story treatment focusing on Jean Grey's resurrection, which would also introduce the villain Emma Frost, a role intended for Sigourney Weaver. Frost was an empath manipulating Jean's emotions in the treatment, and like the finished film Magneto desires to control her. Overwhelmed by her powers, Jean kills herself, but Jean's spirit survives and becomes a god-like creature, which Dougherty compared to the star child in A Space Odyssey. Note that the synopsis above was only a partial treatment. He didn't have Scott killed. Fox ordered it when Singer cast Marsden in Returns. The X3 we know took shape with new writiers in August 2004. Vaughn didn't come aboard until March 2005, but bolted due to "family issues", he also took shots at Fox rushing production after leaving, and more than likely left due to the terrible word of mouth the leaked screenplay received online for the highly questionable choices the story took. Don't blame X3's story on Singer, Vaughn, OR Ratner.

  • June 3, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST

    But Ratner DID make story changes to the script for X3

    by D.Vader

    That has been documented. So I will lay some of the blame on the Rat.

  • June 3, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Harry didn't mention THE best part of this movie.

    by v3d

    It's not in 3 fucking D.

  • June 3, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Harry and Wolverine

    by dittos

    It is SO fun to see Harry with his (dominant) feminine side still crushed over the fact that he wasn't given his own screening of Wolverine before it was released. His estrogen kicks in every time he mentions that movie and his yeast-infection-laden whines can be heard from here to Vahalla.

  • June 3, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST

    X-1 and X-2 are cannon....but not X-3 or Wolverine (spoilers)

    by ArchangelM78

    Saw the movie last night and enjoyed it quite a bit on it's own. However, I would have liked for this movie to be a full-reboot for the X-men movie franchise and it was not. That is the only mistake I think they made(that I couldn't live with) as it would have given them a chance to fix some of the shortcommings of the previous X-flicks. Example of these are: Storm, Nightcrawler, Beast, Angel and Cyclops lack of characterization, X-3 debacle, Admantium bullet to the head from Wolverine, bringing in other villians besides Magneto, Waste of Gambit, Deadpool mistake being un-done, etc. However, I think we need a clarification of the timeline. If I take X-men: First Class as a true prequel, the X-3 and Wolverine are not cannon and anything that happened in those movies doesn't count. Their are just some glaring continuity errors between First Class and X-3/Wolverine. The most obvious are: 1. Charles and Erik are seen together visiting Jean Grey's house in X-3. Now in this flashback, Xavier is already bald and is much older yet he and Erik are in good enough terms to visit Jean's house together. Charles is also walking which he would not be able to do by this time. 2.Same younger Xavier issue walking, but bold on Wolverine. This movie also takes place after First Class making that impossible. 3. Alex and Scott Summers are brothers, yet Alex is at least early 20's in 1964, while Scott is mid-20's in 2000. The age gap would make Alex Scott's dad, not brother. 4. Storm and Cyclops are seen in the Cerebro scene in First Class, making their age impossible in X-men in 2000. However, like the previous Emma in Wolverine and Hank McCoy in X-men on the TV interview, I see these as coincidences not related. That may have just been kids who have a similarity to the Scott and Ororo, but are not actually those characters. 5. Hugh Jackman's Wolverine cameo and Rebecca Romijn's Mystique cameo frimly plant them in the previous movie continuity. 6. Erik and Xavier meet Wolverine in 1964, but don't recognize him by the time X-Men rolls along in 2000. This is the C3PO/R2-D2 and Obi-Wan problem caused by the prequels in Star Wars. Now I do believe, that X-1 and X-2 are part of the continuity, but X-3 is being jettisoned and so is Wolverine. While some minor continuity flaws are still there, they are not as bad for the first 2 movies as they are for the last 2. Besides, Singer already did that when he did Superman Returns although this movie is much more successful at it.

  • June 3, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST

    BEST USE OF "FUCK" IN A PG-13 FILM

    by TheMcflyFarm

    THE 6TH DAY You know it to be true.

  • June 3, 2011, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Robert Shaw

    by david starling

    Harry, very interested to read your wanting of Robert Shaw, if it ever could be done, to become Sebastian Shaw. A magnificent actor, he WAS the ultimate in Bond villains before Blofeld and Goldfinger. Watching From Russia with Love now, I still feel uneasy, knowing that Grant has the upper hand on Bond, and feeling relieved every time Bond kills him, but knowing it could so easily have been the other way around. Passing through Jaws (Quint was almost as scary as the shark!!), he gave some balls to Battle of Britain, and was yet another diamond to the original Pelham 123!! I completely agree. He would've been fucking awesome in the role, even though Bacon does it fantastically now.

  • June 3, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    X-3 Hate

    by Cruizer Dave

    The X-3 hate seems the be a symptom of a problem this site has done nothing but feed. The art of subtleness in discussing things on the Internet is dead. Yes, X-3 had some problems, and some flaws, but it also had some great sequences. Considering it was made with less time to film, more story constraints (X2 while great, did paint them into a corner) and very restrictive schedules with actors (thanks again, Singer!), X-3 turned out way better than it had any right to. The problem is that people no longer discuss the film, they say "It sucks donkey balls, it's horrible, it changed things from the comics, so it's awful!" It's this wave of overstatement that has made sites like AICN the butt of jokes. Was X-3 great? No. Was it as horrible as the what's being said? Also no. However, this new one sounds very good. I hope to see it tonight!

  • June 3, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    genderblender = Devin Faraci

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • If Vaughn had directed X3, it would have been just as bad. The script was shit. Fox was forcing the film out, so it would beat Superman. We all know they were pissed at Singer for jumping boats, so they wanted to stick it to him. Vaughn left because of what Fox was doing. It took getting Singer back into the mold, for Fox to allow these films a chance to breath. I heard this was rushed as well, but when you have two solid captians steering the ship, in this case, Vaughn and Singer, the ship will make it to shore. Now, give them both time, money and the freedom they desire to make the next X-Men film the best yet. Hell, if FOX HAD BALLS. They would hire Singer to redo X-Men 3, and let Vaughn make another First Class film. Release them in the same summer, one in early May, and the other in July. Make 2013 the year of X-Men.

  • Most likely he is his uncle.

  • June 3, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    The worst part about X3 was started by Singer

    by Curious_Jorge

    That is, making Wolverine the central character of the franchise. So instead of Scott trying to talk down Dark Phoenix, we get sideburns.

  • June 3, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Better than X2.

    by davidwebb

    Key points. Fassbender is the greatest James Bond we'll probably never get. Seeing Banshee fly onscreen was JOYOUS. And THAT cameo? Unexpected and perfect - a better interpretation of the character than anything we've had for some time? It's a continuity nightmare, but if they just stuck a few of the top-tier characters in there for part 2, I'd be willing to overlook it. Probably.

  • June 3, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    X3 was horrible. It does not exist in this dojo.

    by Saracen1

  • June 3, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Here's my problem with this film

    by templesweeper

    It's a completely missed opportunity. It's a very good movie. But it could have been great. If Fox had just done a true re-boot of the series and started with the ACTUAL first class of X-Men, Cyclops, Beast, Angel (the real Angel), Iceman and Jean Gray....that would have been awesome. You could have kept pretty much the exact same story. You could have even thrown Banshee in there, and Sebastian Shaw and Emma Frost since they are of an age with the original team. But instead they use all of these lesser-know characters and....dang it! I am totally fine with modifying a movie from the original source material, but the X-Men comics were great. They could have done basically the exact story with the right cast, then in the second movie you can bring Wolverine into it, and do the Apocalypse story where he captures Angel and turns him into Archangel and gives him the cool metal wings. You could also introduce Cable (cyclop's son from the future) in that one, or maybe the third. And then you can do the real, actually awesome, Dark Phoenix story. Now since this movie is good, we're going to have to wait probably 10-15 years before we see a true re-boot to the whole thing. Again, I liked this movie. I just lament at what it could have been.

  • Singer even said himself, that Cyclops in the third film would have been the main focus within the Phoenix storyline, not Wolverine. She told Wolverine in X2, that she loves Scott, and not Logan. Logan even told that to Scott in the Mansion when he said "she did make a choice, it was you..."

  • June 3, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Best F-bomb in a PG-13 film

    by CartoonFanboy

    Joan Cusack from In & Out. Fuck Barbra Streisand!!

  • June 3, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    templesweeper, your nerd is showing... go get laid

    by Nick

  • June 3, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    drwilliamweir

    by thecheesegrommit

    It's sad that you dislike a film that most unanimously find excellent, myself included. Listen I get you may be extremely intelligent, way beyond my comprehension. An intelligence that renders all literature trite. So sad, so sad. Hang in there, evolution will catch up to you.

  • June 3, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Thanks for clearing that up shermdawg

    by Stalkeye

    Ratner should never be allowed to helm another Intellectual property based film again post X-lax 3. I do remember hearing rumors that Halle didnt get along well with Singer and that she called him a Cracker or some other racial slur. (Coming from someone who is half White, I find it contradictionary if said rumors are true.) And the rest, of course is histroy..or more like Rat's story. But to be honest, my major gripe with Singer's two films goes to his handling of Cyclops. This guy is like X-men's Captain America..a born leader yet his (mardsen's) parts were reduced to practically 15 mins tops and even less in the second X film. Then there's of course Singerman Returns which is just as bad as X3, well I can somewhat stomach Rat's abomination easier than what Singer did to the mythos of Superman. (Super Baby? Stalker? The whole Kryptonite Island scheme concocted by a boring potrayal of Lex Luther? WTF!!) From all the rave reviews I'm hearing about this film (First Class) it seems that singer has redeemed himself via script treatment. He's a great director but sometimes, I question his creative decisions.

  • June 3, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Best use of "fuck" in a PG-13 movie

    by DoctorTom

    Be Cool. John Travolta, saying that you can't even swear more than once before a movie gets an R rating, then says "Fuck it"

  • June 3, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Best "F" bomb usage in a PG-13 film

    by Sumatran_Rat_Monkey

    Jim Carrey in Bruce Almighty - "Back to you, fuckers!" A variation on fuck, but well timed and damn funny! I may actually have to consider seeing this film as it is so well reviewed. X3 left a bad taste in my mouth, and never bothered with the crapfest called Wolverine.

  • June 3, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I liked X3

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    Though i know not many did. I thought it was pretty good for the most part, the only prob being they tried to shoehorn too much stuff into it's lean runtime.

  • June 3, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    cruizer dave

    by NightArrows

    You want an intelligent discourse on X3? Here are some crumbs for thought: - You had two strong-men in the film. Juggernaut and Colossus. A match-up that was born in geek heaven. What did we get? Juggernaut versus Kitty Pride with Juggernaut knocking himself out on a wall. Colossus got to throw Wolverine and fight some peons. Weee. - Wolverine once again gets further watered down, and shows the only thing he's the best there is at is fighting no-name thugs. - Iceman and Pyro. Fire and Ice, two elements that should showcase in an epic throwdown and again, what do we get? A headbutt knockout. Weeeeeeee. - Instead of showcasing the terrible fury of the Dark Phoenix, we had her grow some angry varicose veins due to "budgetary restrictions" or other such bullshit. We did get Magneto moving the Golden Gate bridge for no good reason. A scene that was not only a stupid, but wasted valuable budget. - Every other mutant seemingly had the power of "mario jump". Or at least, the shitty wire work would have us think that. - Scott being relegated to an off-screen "death" (reasons understandable, however still inexcusable) and glossed over like he was nothing more than the butler. - More of the same from Erik. The same tired lines and diatribe. There is much more I'm sure, however as it's been a few years since I've seen that film, the above is what's still fresh in my brain. And goddamnit, it's nitpicky stuff, but those match-ups and conflicts, epic fights and throwdowns are what MAKE comics what they are, or at the very least are an extremely important part of the recipe. The Blech-Men movies have pissed away so much potential, so many opportunities, it's insane. 3 films in and counting and I'm tired of the "what were you expecting" bullshit, as well as the "it could have been worse" and the all encompassing dumb-ass apologist's line "it was fun, wasn't expecting much outside of that". Fuck that nonsense. The SOURCE MATERIAL is RIFE with awesome, and instead of mining that, and truly understanding it, they shit all over it. X3 had a LOT of potential, but it was pissed away and it wasn't better than it had any right being, it was far WORSE than it should have been. I really don't care about any excuses of budgets or limited shoot times. The bottom line is that the movie sucks.

  • June 3, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Fox/Marvel should just act like X3 and Origins don't exist

    by Andrew Coleman

    The first two movies even though getting some things wrong still left things open to be fixed or worked on. X3 went out of its way to destroy all of that. Also no one should ever praise the action in the that film. "We have an army of mutants fighting the X-Men"... "Oh cool so we should think up multiple powers the X-men should face"... "No fuck that will just have them all running at them. Their powers can be they can jump really high and that's it". Origins literally shit on Wolverines story. They chickened out thinking morons and kids wouldn't understand Wolverine being a hard core killer. So they made him a total fucking pussy. Fox should just say they are putting * next to those two films like they don't exist. So it's X-men, X2 and now First Class. That's it. No bad Phoenix. No Cyclops and Prof X deaths no Wolverine "I don't know how to use my claws in the bathroom" bull shit.

  • June 3, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Best use of fuck

    by dynamicb

    I wouldnt say its the best but it stands clear as "why did they bleep that?" In Galaxy Quest when Sigorney Weaver and Tim Allen are running around the ship and they come to chompers......Sigorney yells out "forget that!!" but you can tell in the final cut it has been edited and really she is saying "well fuck that!!" Ive always wondered why they edited that and it makes me laugh.

  • June 3, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Sabastian Shaw

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    So from the sound of it it look like Sabastian Shaw is taking the role that Mr Sinister had in the the comic as a Nazi scientist that was using the concintration camps for his experiments. Although I believe that Erik advoided being tested on because of his job burning dead bodies. I could be wrong though.

  • June 3, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    CHOPPAH's X-MEN: FIRST CLASS review is finally up!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    http://tinyurl.com/3tzzybu

  • June 3, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    Does Stan Lee have a cameo on this?

    by Carl

    If he has one, I never saw it.

  • June 3, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Much obliged, mattman.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • June 3, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    They should make a whole movie...

    by Carl

    with just Jennifer Lawrence wearing those really short-for-the-60s skirt.

  • June 3, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    the_choppah

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    I loved the Star Wars crawl on that one.

  • June 3, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    I hate to say "I told you so", but.....

    by Yelsaeb

    I fucking told you so.

  • June 3, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Good Use of a F Bomb in a PG-13....

    by BlackBriar

    Was S.W.A.T with Colin Farrel and Jeremy Renner In the beginning in the film, when Renner was cleaning out his locker after getting fired, Colin was bitching at him. Renner just grabbed him from the lapel and shoves him into a mirror and says "Fuck You" and just walks away. That was pretty BadAss!!

  • June 3, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Cheers, room23storeblogspotcom!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Have a shot on CHOPPAH.

  • June 3, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Good Review,...Hair!

    by BlackBriar

    I will be seeing this...Saturday Night.

  • June 3, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    More science fiction? Its not the Green Lantern.

    by double_l88

  • June 3, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Infinitely better than the first X-Men?

    by Kremzeek

    I've never understood the hate for that movie. I loved it the moment I saw it back when it was in theatres. Even then people didn't like it all that much. I don't get it. Yeah, X2 is a bit better, but ultimately, the 2 movies make up one cohesive film to me. Same thing with Batman Begins. Sure I love Dark Knight, but, to me, they're both halves of one whole film. Same with Spideys 1 & 2, all 3 LOTRs, and lots of others. When someone asks me what my fav LOTR film is I can't answer. It's just one big movie to me (in a GOOD way). So, what is it about the original X-Film that people don't like (other than the costume complaint - which is stupid, sorry. I don't want to see them running around in neon-coloured spandex)?

  • You could not be more wrong with that statement Harry. What makes this film great is that it has real world resonance. The silly OTT science fictiony and cartoon fantasy stuff is what turns people off from comic book movies.

  • June 3, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Xen11

    by Blayznu

    is an asshole

  • June 3, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    BEST USE OF "FUCK" IN A PG FILM.

    by RedHorseVector

    Spaceballs. Darth Helmet: "FUCK! Even in the future nothing works!"

  • June 3, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    I was REALLY impressed

    by Winston Smith

    I guess this kinda goes into the list of movies like Casablanca, Apocalypse Now and Raiders of the Lost Ark with really troubled and/or rushed schedules that turned out terrifically. Hyperbole is easy to get into fresh out of a decent movie, but I really do think this may be the best superhero film since at least the start of the recent craze in 2000 with the first X-Men. It was a surprisingly well done story that mixed history with the fantasy of the world, and there were a lot of different characters with different perspectives but they never became jumbled or cartoonish. You could see why everyone stood where they did. Genuine character arcs. You know, an actual story. And the film was well paced, lots of action (and well directed action, at that), colorful, well acted, strong thematic arc. 98% of the effects were excellent as well, and the other 2%, well, honestly, who cares? Really impressed, it's a crowded summer movie season but I saw it with a sold out crowd and I think it's good enough to become a blockbuster. It sort of felt like a less violent Watchmen meets The Empire Strikes Back. And it kinda puts the other X-Men movies to shame, even the decent first two that still never quite reached the potential of their set-ups. The only negative I have is before the movie started, the theatre screwed up and started to show the trailers twice, so I had to sit through an ad for Mr. Popper's Penguins TWICE. God help me. God help us all.

  • CHOPPAH empathizes.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    The great little part that I found really jarring

    by Larry Sellers

    Azazel dropping the CIA guys from the sky. Clever, brutal, and it had a nice build up. When they started hearing those THUDS I certainly wasn't expecting that.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    archangelm78

    by Shermdawg

    Forget Scott's age in X-men 1. It was labeled as "in the future" if I'm not mistaken, or "present day", so it's not really tied to a year. In First Class Alex appears to be in his late teens-early twenties, Scott....as said, looks to be seven to ten years old. Sure it's possible Havok could be Scott's dad, but it's more likely he is now the older sibling.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    "Remember that real shitty diamond form of Emma Frost in WOLVERINE"

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    Yep, Harry. I also remember how you laughably trashed Emma Frost even having that diamond power in the first place, in your 'review' of Wolverine back in the day, oblivious to the fact that it came straight from the original comics...

  • June 3, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Awful film

    by Tasteflex

    I can't believe how bad this film was. Sloppily made, horribly acted (minus the two leads). It was like so many other superhero movies, like watching bad tv. I could make a better x-men movie in my sleep.

  • June 3, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    How come Fatso Harry likes every shitty film except for x3?

    by Nabster

    X3 wasn't great by any means. It was poorly made. But it's still much better than most of the shitfests Fat Harry jizzes himself over. I mean Pirates of the .carribean?

  • June 3, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Worst use of an F bomb in a PG-13 movie... TWISTER

    by JuanSanchez

    It's the second scene of the film - the first in the present day - and Helen Hunt can't get some machinery to work. "Fuck me!' she exclaims. Of course the logical first reaction to that is "gladly," but couldn't the F word have been better utilized in a movie about giant tornadoes?

  • June 3, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Iceman should have made a ramp and slide down from the roof in X3

    by Mandolorian

    That was the thing that I wanted to see the most. They really missed a chance there and although he did turn, it could have been better. I didn't mind 3 though. Hated the little girl/professor X thing at the end of X2. I ff every time I watch it now. No replay value at all. And Logan never really went blood crazy. I understand the ratings crap, but Jackman has it in him to really nail the character. I hope he gets a chance before it's all over.

  • June 3, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    It was better than all the other uninteresting X-Men movies but

    by noiretblanc

    it still needs to be more rock and roll; it needs to be a little more punk rock, more energy; even if this one had some, it needs more. In this movie's universe, I can't believe half of the X-Men could exist, much less Sentinels and Apocalypse if they tried their best at it. One may say that those are the things that make the comics silly, but I say no, it's part of what makes them iconic.

  • June 3, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Loved it.

    by parissun

    Better than X1 & X2. Nice reboot of franchise.

  • June 3, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Movie was great

    by beane2099

    Best X Film to date. People bitching about THIS movie should just stop watching movies. I would like it if FOX gave FF the same treatment. For that matter, why doesn't FOX do the shared universe thing between X Men and FF? It's working for Marvel.

  • June 3, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Before anyone corrects me...

    by beane2099

    Yes I know X Men and FF are Marvel properties. But they aren't put out by Marvel Studios (wish they were).

  • June 3, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    HOW CAN YOU HATE X3 and WOLVIE???

    by doom master

    WHO GIVES A SHIT ? XAVIER DIES IN PART 3, so does JEAN AND CYCLOPS. IM FINE WITH THAT. If you ask me both part 1 and 2 were meandering waffle compared to the action packed 3, which took the plots of the first 2 and welded them together to fit into 2 hours of pure Singer RAPE. Man you say RATNER took this franchise to the ground, but it was really SINGER who did it, with all his SCHMALTZY BS that pulled the previous movies down to a slow crawl... Xmen have always been about ACTION. You wanna balance it out to include PATHOS? SEE THIS MOVIE. DONE AND DONE.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    And FYI nothing wrong with Wolverine

    by doom master

    It was SINGER (AKA "The man who ruined SUPERMAN") Who made Sabretooth some hulking tallman to look like a Metallica wannabe singer...with fake hair and nails... NOT RATNER....NOT The guy who did WOlverine, either... so back off.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    "Xmen have always been about ACTION."

    by Shermdawg

    Wrong. X-men first and foremost is about the relationships its characters. Then ideals. THEN action.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    "so back off"

    by Shermdawg

    lol. Easy, bub.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Probably just less than X2 for me.

    by AttackingClone

    Re-watched the first 3 X-men films last week to get ready to see "first class", X3 is not as bad as I remember it being, i think it's a pretty good movie... until Magneto moves the bridge and it then just gets lame! Only problems apart from a weak ending is the deaths of Cyclops and Prof. X (thought X's death was a cool scene) I really feel I need to see 1st Class again, I was feeling a little underwhelmed while watching the movie but haven't really been able to stop thinking about it since. I think I was just expecting something different. It was a little weird to have X-men who I haven't heard of (not big on comics). Hopefully they make another one, and if that can be to 1st Class what X2 was to X1..WOW! 2nd best X film to date, and 2nd best film of this year...had Harry posted my review of Thor (which I sent to him a week before the U.S release) you would see that is my top for the year.

  • Hopefully Rothman doesn't object.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    I take it all back, Harry

    by doom master

    You are a ginger. I have forgotten my own roots. I forgive you of all your schmaltziness.... Kind of.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:53 p.m. CST

    I cant believe the positive reviews on this thing.

    by Tasteflex

    Is this what passes for quality movie making? What a sad state of affairs. This film is laughably bad, rushed , and an embarrassment. I was excited when I first heard this film was going to happen. I thaought Vaughn did a nice job with Kick -Ass for what it was. X-men lacked in all departments though, one of the worst films I have ever seen.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    what is annoying with Singer is his mixing characters up

    by chien_sale

    Or somehow paint a brush stroke on these characters. He changed Rogue into Kitty basically. Now Moira is a CIA gent. Havok is not Cyclops' brother. You have Sebastian Shaw who's basically a mix of many characters. Yet nothing like the comic Shaw. For example Shaw was a real badass and was intimidating physically(like robert shaw) wich is the oppsoite of what Bacon is.

  • June 3, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    "one of the worst films I have ever seen"

    by Shermdawg

    You obviously haven't seen many movies, or are a huge fan of hyperbole.

  • June 3, 2011, 8:07 p.m. CST

    "Now Moira is a CIA gent."

    by Shermdawg

    For now. We don't where her career will take her now that she knows about mutants, and Xavier.

  • June 3, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    not true

    by Tasteflex

    I'm very well versed in cinema history actually. I know what i'm talking about. This film was garbage. It was like watching a bad stfy channel movie.

  • June 3, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Hmm, hyperbole fan it seems.

    by Shermdawg

  • June 3, 2011, 8:40 p.m. CST

    X-Men: First Class was good despite itself

    by eveelcapitalist

    Here's the reasons First Class was So good. Fassbender McAvoy Lawrence There ya go. The movie itself was cheesy, schlocky, corny, stupid and over the top. But the actors really make it work. Fassbender's Magneto is, accent aside, right on the money. I think he nails. McAvoy as well. Never mind Professor X ISN'T FUCKING BRITISH, but it makes no matter. He handles the role incredibly well. What if Professor X was a cocky, smarmy shit before getting crippled. What if that moment he loses the use of his legs, and the moment regular humans turn against a new mutant race at the drop of a hat, is when he's humbled. That's when his dream starts to take shape. That's interesting and McAvoy certainly sells it well. That Jennifer Lawrence didn't jump out of the screen and into my lap in order for me to ravage her hot young body I won't hold against the film. And Hugh Jackman's and Rebecca Romijn's cameos were FANTASTIC! But there are problems galore. Vaughn really didn't need to make it so fucking corny. Really, was there a scene between Fassbender and McAvoy that *didn't* include a chess game? Jesus Christ on a crutch, I get the elementary symbolism, but do it once not a million fucking times. Secondly, the anti-mutant bigotry. In Singer's movie, there's a rationale for it. In Vaughn's, the only rationale is, "We don't know what mutants are, but we know we don't fucking like 'em!" And that's it. No motivations whatsoever. It's just because. Oliver Platt was down with mutants, so why wasn't anyone else. Meh, just cause. The American and Soviet fleets team up to destroy the mutie menace. Why? Well, just cause. There's no real rationale given for why. It's not enough to establish why Xavier and Magneto end up on opposing sides, you have to establish, you have to establish why they even take their positions to begin with. If this movie warrants a sequel I think the story should revolve around that. Instead of a corny 007-esque action movie, let us see a more issues driven piece. Does Vaughn have it in him to direct a slower philosophical piece? And that brings me to character motivations. We understoof Bacon's Shaw, we understood Fassbender's Magneto, we kinda got hints of McAvoys Professor X. But what about Ema Frost? That Angel chick? She switched sides...because? And Mystique, she abandoned her long friendship with Professor X because, what, too many people said she was ugly? Come fucking ON! "Mutant and proud, derp derp derp..." Jesus fucking Christ...okay, okay, again, they can delve deeper into this if they do a sequel. But right now it's all so-so. And it needs to be said, the Beast looked horrible. The guy who played him was good, but when they make him blue Beast...ugh. But like I said, the movie was good. Despite itself, but it was good. It was enjoyable and entertaining. But story wise, this thing could have used some work. I've been saying for months and months this movie was going to be a piece of shit, and I'm happy to say that I was wrong. Flawed? Yes. Best Marvel movie? No. Best X-Men movie? No. Piece of shit? Pretty fucking far from. Moriarty said at Hit Flix that this is the kick in the ass the franchise needed and, ya know what, I think that's right on the money. This really gets the ball rolling again. So...when do we get to see Second Class?

  • June 3, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST

    As for continuity errors...

    by eveelcapitalist

    ...eh, fuck it. Let the writers sort it all out. Xavier and Magneto's relationship has always been contentious in the comic books. They're enemies, then they're frends, then they're enemies again. They're presently on the same side right now, but give it a few months and Magneto will be the big bad again. And Xavier's legs. Crippled in First Class, walking at the end of Wolverine. Same shit in the comics. Xavier's a cripple, now he can walk, back in the wheelchair, now he can break dance with the best of 'em. Again, give it a few more months and Xavier will be a cripple again, probably because of Magneto.

  • Hey man, it's not like they had Street Fighter back in the 60's.

  • June 3, 2011, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Pretty good, had potential to be better

    by rapscallion86

    Just got back from seeing it and I was very pleased with the overall tone, plot, acting, action, and character development. I'm not sure if I prefer it over X2 but its definitely within the same caliber. Fassbender and McAvoy were both great and the relationship arc they went through was the best part of the movie and it should've been. All of the action scenes were pretty bad ass, especially the last sequence with the Blackbird and the team working together. My criticisms are: the score. It was god awful, besides the bond inspired theme for Magneto. The rest was over the top with no originality whatsoever and it had me rolling my eyes. Also, I know Vaughn's style and his love for moments of cheese, especially after watching Kick-Ass, but this movie didn't need it. I'm all for moments of lighthearted fun, but this movie was lacking a more serious tone which it could have benefited from greatly. This along with the score made it seem lightweight when it could have been a heavy contender for a truly magnificent movie. Regardless of the flaws, the positives outweighed the negatives, and if given the oppurtunity with the right people, this new series of films could be incredible. I'm excited to see where they go from here.

  • June 3, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    Rose Byrne running around in her skivvies was a definite high point

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Holy SHIT was that hot. And Jennifer Lawrence's junk-in-the-trunk booty.

  • June 3, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST

    it's only going to make 60 million this weekend

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    guess that's not too bad since it doesn't have Wolverine, but it's definitely a disappointment.

  • June 3, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I see a lot of negative reaction

    by Winston Smith

    But very little is stating WHY the film is bad. Unless CHEESY is mentioned. And I disagree, I mean, why does every single fucking comic book movie now need to be extremely "dark" and pretentious and serious? I want actual characters with depth. However, not everything needs to be fucking Batman Begins in tone. And in fact, some superhero movies AHEM seem to take themselves too damn seriously, despite having all the same bullshit in them that all comic book movies have. And by the standards of the superhero movie, X-Men: First Class was good regarding plot holes or odd character moments. It pretty much all worked if you could buy the basic premise.

  • June 3, 2011, 11:03 p.m. CST

    I liked it but...

    by Lucasblows

    ...Beast looked fucking awful.

  • June 3, 2011, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Magneto and Beast reveals...

    by AttackingClone

    was something that could/should have been much better, just the build up to seeing them full frontal, gonna be absolutely amazing...then... ahhh that's kinda shit

  • June 3, 2011, 11:12 p.m. CST

    My two cents

    by _Lizarkeo

    (Some spoilers ahead) <p><p> - I confess, my expectations were way higher. But, still, most entertaining, emotional and adult Marvel Movie Ever. Gotta see again tomorrow.<p> - I wish I didn't see so many online clips.<p> - Fassbender's big horsey smile doesn't quite match with the rest of his great acting. But he is legendary here. A star is born.<p> - McAvoy is da man too. But, from the interviews, I was expecting more scenes with "horny dog Chuck". <p> - The final climatic scene? Pure GOLD. So much better than The Dork Knight ending. - BTW, don't forget that Eric helped to build the final version of Cerebro. Maybe in the future, he and Chuck will reunite against a bigger adversary. Like. The Evil Mutants from KKK, heh.<p> - Moira as CIA agent, awesome. Moira/Rose using black lingerie, DOUBLE awesome. Can't wait to see all the romance scenes with Chuck on DVD.<p> - BTW, two of the best X-Men character - now dead in comics - back to life in grand style. Beautiful Lady Moira and cool Banshee.<p> - And Banshee (in this movie, the X-Men's own Ron Weasley) was the best action X-Men ever. <p> - How could not like the new Cat Beast? Dead on/spot on from Morrison's NEW X-MEN. <p> - Douche Havok's power was way cool. Don't miss pussy Cyke at all.<p> - Lawrence was hot in any color, shape and form (except when she was channeling dudes, of course). In the comics, Raven killed Moira. Hurm. Who destroyed the perfect small world of the muties bro-sis here? Heh.<p> - Great explanation for the uniforms. But I don't buy about who invented the Blackbird. No sir.<p> - How could Erik accept the SERIAL DEATH ANGEL as team mate? But the "agents dropping from sky" scene was pure...genius.<p> - Tornado Man? He likes tornadoes a lot. - Angel was too sweet to go all "Anakin" in 2 seconds. Well, maybe she couldn't resist the POWER OF BACON!<p> - Emma? Many many moons ago, I predicted that miss Frost was gonna be the highlight of this movie. Yeah. With Alice Eve, maybe, possibly. Totally: http://bit.ly/jMbixg<p> - In 2000, the Logan's cameo would make me go all boinks. Now, yeah, cool, ok, next.<p> - Bacon was great as Shawn, but I prefer Loki as the best Marvel Villain in a movie. And why little Eric didn't CRUSHED evil man from the beginning? Yeah, I know. Plot reasons.<p> - Why, oh, why. The only X-Factor character, gone like a bitch...<p> - What is left now? Man, lots of stuff, lots of characters, lots of villains, lots of good comic stories. My personal take? Sentinels. Sentinels. Sentinels. Heh. And STRONG GUY as [dead guy]'s replacement, heh. And a blonde teleporter called Illyana (without the hell backstory). Or a better gal teleporter yet: U-GO GIRL! BTW, Vaughan was born to adapt X-STATIX. Or SKREEMER. Or both.<p> - Ok, my real personal take: Charles, Eric and Raven together again... In a rock band! http://bit.ly/mksfrb <p><p> Cheers.

  • June 4, 2011, 12:28 a.m. CST

    notes on why

    by Tasteflex

    couple okay performances, the rest of the casting is awful. some terrible performances. cardboard. no resonance. no behavior. sloppily shot and awkwardly edited together. looked like bad tv drama. lacked visual unity ("kick-ass" had great unity) the script was spunked. a series of comprimises dreamt up by espresso swilling hosebags in suits. Watered down, boring. (How is it that every x-men movie has been boring? fucked up) The early 60's were on display, but it didn't "feel" like the era. It didn't breathe. needed to breathe. whole thing lacked the sense of imagination that "kick-ass" had. i saw it at mann's chinese though, so that was cool.

  • June 4, 2011, 2:15 a.m. CST

    matthew vaughn is a false god!

    by matthewvaughnisafalsegod

    There I said it!

  • June 4, 2011, 2:19 a.m. CST

    "Hey man, it's not like they had Street Fighter back in the 60's. "

    by eveelcapitalist

    HAH! Xavier: You don't have to resort to violence. *Hadoken* Magneto: Never again! *Shoryuken*

  • June 4, 2011, 2:58 a.m. CST

    "comic booky" "science fictiony"

    by peopleintrees

    ..........

  • June 4, 2011, 2:59 a.m. CST

    After seeing this movie

    by peopleintrees

    I'm ready for a full blown Magneto flick. However, i thought the costume at the end was a bit much. I really liked this movie, but I also wouldn't have minded seeing Fassbender kill Nazi's for 2 hours. Thats probably why Inglorious Basterds is my favorite movie.

  • June 4, 2011, 6:06 a.m. CST

    "Unanimous praise?"

    by drwilliamweir

    Checking around the net, I don't think so. I enjoyed it, but it's hardly a work of genius - and definitely not better than X2 by way of a lack of attention to detail. Maybe more of that, a slower pace and more gravity and reasoning to events will make the next film REALLY worth watching. This one? A fun ride! What's wrong with that? Nowt. Thor was as well, as will Cappy be and, I'd hazard, Green Lisptern. Just First Class aint one worth masturbating into a frenzy over.

  • June 4, 2011, 8:42 a.m. CST

    The best superhero movie since The Incredibles.

    by SID 8.0

    Hands down the best movie I've seen this year. McAvoy and Fassbender played their parts to perfection. They were what I was hoping for out of McGregor and Christensen in the SW prequels. Some people have said Kevin Bacon was "okay" in the role of the Black King. I thought he was better than great. The story, the acting, the action, Banshee's flying sequences were awesome. Even the sets had the early Bond and Doctor Strangelove feel. Definetly worth seeing again.

  • June 4, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Saw it yesterday...

    by zinc_chameleon

    and I was truly wowed. Two things stand out for me: Michael Fassbender is the new Sean Connery Bond we've all been waiting for (sorry, Daniel, you're nasty enough, but not nearly charming enough) and X-Men:First Class is the true sequel to Goldfinger. Haven't seen that much exciting and purposeful globe-trotting in a long time.

  • June 4, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Loved it....but...

    by Magic01273

    Hank/Beast was the big let down for me. His transformation comes too late in the film and feels far too sudden. I realised they wanted to show his pain in wanting to be normal and whilst they did dedicate a couple of scenes to this theme - he then proceeded to go from shy, geeky, science nerd with big feet - to snarling, ass-kicking furry blue mofo in literally 5 minutes. They should have had him transform a little earlier in the movie and then had a little bit of time dedicated to showing him deal with these changes and adjust to his new identity a little bit more believably- not too mention learn about his powers, the way all the other x-kids did. And his "reveal" scene was the single corniest moment in the movie for me. It also didn't help that his makeup was initially very suspect looking and drew a ripple of sniggers from the audience. That said this was a brillaint film and I was mightly impressed with what they managed to get up on screen considering the production schedule for thim. Jennifer Lawrence knocked it out of the park as Mystique. And whilst some will argue that her (and another characters) swap-over to the "dark side" wasn't that convincing, her arc in this film was satisfying for me. It always annoyed me in X1,2 and 3 that a lot of Mystique was shown "in action" but very little was developed for her as a character. In fact, lets face it - she had less than a page of dialogue in the whole original trilogy. Sean Cassidy/ Banshee was the biggest surprise for me. A great character, given lots of screen time, some brillaint comedy, great power effects and a decent battle in the final act. OK, they could have given him an Irish accent but aside from that, I though he was great in this. Kevin Bacon? Well, lets just say I can't stand him, but I managed to overcome this.

  • June 4, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Fassbender, McAvoy, Lawrence and Bacon make the movie.

    by Orbots Commander

    I saw the movie last night with friends, and sure, story wise, the thing had a few problems. Overall, I was very happy with it and really had a good time with it----very good summer popcorn movie that actually had a brain. There is no doubt though that if it weren't for Fassbender's Connery-like Magneto (and yes, this is the movie that makes him a huge Russell Crowe/Mel Gibson-type movie star), McAvoy's caddish Charles Xavier, Kevin Bacon's perfect mustache twirling villain and super cute Jennifer Lawrence, yes even in blue, X-Men wouldn't have been half as good as it is.

  • June 4, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Fumbled characterizations

    by Dursman2000

    I didn't buy Mystique's change of heart at the end. That conflict in the character wasn't nearly as well developed as it should've been -- I mean, she just saw her best friend/mentor shot by Magneto, and she chooses Magneto anyway? I didn't buy it. There wasn't nearly enough motivation established there. IMO the whole movie felt like it was trying to do too much, too quickly. It's perfectly entertaining and does a lot of things right, but it eventually tired me out. There was seldom a breather to develop characterization and ultimately I think it cost the film in terms of dramatic tension at the end. Both the Mystique character and the whole Charles-Erik friction should've had more screen time and been allowed to room to develop. As it is, it was like watching a 2 hr. 10 minute trailer in terms of movement, which isn't always a good thing.

  • June 4, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Only $53 million box-office weekend -- Underperforming

    by Dursman2000

    per Nikki -- http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/first-box-office-x-men-first-class-looking-like-23m-friday-including-3-3m-midnights-for-estimated-58m-weekend/

  • June 4, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    X Men First Class is the best of the X Men Films.

    by ComicGuru

    Nuff Said.

  • June 4, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Oh YEAH, THE WEEK END IS OVER ALREADY

    by theplant

    WHAT, ALL THAT MATTERS IS OPENING WE, NOT LEGS ? GTFOOH

  • June 4, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST

    F--IN BURYERS OF GOOD MOVIES

    by theplant

    IF I CATCH YOU AGAIN DISSING THIS MOVIE FOR PROBABLE LOW BO O WE I WILL TELL YOU TO GO FUCK YOURSELF

  • June 4, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    BTW, how far has Jim Carrey fallen?

    by Orbots Commander

    Really Jim, Mr. Popper's Penguins? Really? What's next, Merman?

  • And good word of mouth will give it legs and a successful run on the home video market. You know, like a little film called BATMAN BEGINS? Look how that turned out. Fuckin' amateurs. CHOPPED.

  • June 4, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    I agree that after the franchise killer that X3 was...

    by Orbots Commander

    ...this X-entry which is actually a good movie, just having 'legs', per the industry parlance, is an improvement. It's a very apt comparison to Batman Begins after the potential franchise killer of Batman & Robin.

  • June 4, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Other tidbits from that Nikki Finke article:

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    -B+ Cinemascore, which will translate to good word of mouth and sustained performance. -The final weekend gross will put it around what BATMAN BEGINS and Singer's first X-MEN made. Sounds like a good start to a new franchise.

  • June 4, 2011, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah, and no 3D screenings to inflate the gross.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Man oh man. Fuckin' amateurs.

  • June 4, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    orbots

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    The X-MEN reboot his not only has to wipe away the bad feelings of X3, but also the fecal aftertaste of X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE.

  • June 4, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    "Infinitely better" than the first X-MEN, huh?

    by Keith

    Wow, I didn't know the first movie was so thoroughly abysmal. Of the first two X-Men movies, I prefer the first. Sure, it looks like it had some of its budget chopped off and feels in many ways like a really upmarket TV movie, with its relatively small scale and unambitious sets. And X-2 has some amazing, bravura set pieces, certainly in its first half. But X-2 ends up as a fucking mess. The final reel is awful. It felt like Singer left the set and handed the reigns over to a second unit director for the entire last 25 minutes. The showdown inside the dam is REALLY bad: clunky and tedious, with no panache. And the movie starts to break its own rules for no reason, or resort to deus ex machinas. Nightcrawler can't teleport somewhere without having seen it, but...this time he does, and it just works. Storm can't use her powers indoors, but...oh, this time she does. The final moments with Phoenix and the jet feel utterly contrived, and also utterly as though Singer had simply decided to copy the Spock/Enterprise/Wrath of Khan sacrifice. Which he did, of course, along with copying the motif of a great literary work humming away in the background of the movie. ("A Tale of Two Cities" in Wrath of Khan, "The Once and Future King" in X2.) And, AGAIN, we have Xavier taken out of the picture, drearily, for much of the second half of the movie, and no bloody Cyclops. I find X-2 extremely overrated. Half a great movie is not the same thing as a great movie. The first film is smaller, but it's better.

  • I will see X-Men now.

  • June 4, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    this movie is great...

    by darwinmayflower

    Fassbender = silver medal best onscreen nazi killer (Dr. jones still gets gold) a whole movie of that would have been fun indeed! Kevin Bacon = so fucking awesome as Shaw! evil, and loving it! 007 look and feel = so fun! haters piss off. prof x flirts with the ladies = awesome. training scenes - love the comic tile-ing. fun. a litttle hokey, but fun. loved seeing profesor x run! fights - this felt like the comics. the way mutants fought in this was pitch-perfect. cameos - awesome! "cannon" or not, hugh and rebecca were really fun! jester was much welcomed, althought nicholson/few good men would have been even better(except for age "lack of continuty - but did i mention who fucking cares.) weak sauce - I agree on two big weaknesses: 1. Magneto and Beast final look "reveals" were horrible, (but can be easily fixed next time) (and the two actors were so fucking good, that i did not care too much) 2. "mutant and proud" as a mantra was weak as a concept was sound. ...but those are totally acceptable. Things other people said that I disagree with: continunty - who fucking cares? just enjoy this film as this film. Harry - cosmic bullshit - so wrong. this film was tone-perfect. any dissing of the 60's cheese bond shit. this stuff was really fun! get off your continuty/serious high horse, comics are fun, and so is this movie. original x-team - yeah it might have been better, but I liked havok, and banshee alot. the shift of focus to prof x and erik was sweet! having it feel like real kids was really fun. ...end of dissagreeing. ps. X3 was horrible, and should be ignored. Fassbender is absolutely fucking awesome in this movie. (as is kevin Bacon) GO SEE IT. this is absolutely the best X-men movie by far. now if Marvel would just buy the franchise back from FOX, and give Vaughn ample time to make the second one, all will be well in the x-men universe. oh, and just 'cause noboby said it yet: this movie made the yellow suits look good. that is almost as impressive as if the wathcmen squid had been pulled off... touche.

  • June 4, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    one more thing...

    by darwinmayflower

    the reason for "hating the mutants" seemed pretty fucking obvious to me. Kevin Bacon made it look like they trying to exterminate us. oh, and did I mention that they seemed pretty capable of making that happen? that seems like a reasonable motivation to try to kill them, and y'know, save the world. IMO... way more fun to see the military react strangelove style, than a lame senate debate on mutants.

  • June 4, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Like the sixties movies that influenced it, it's racist and sexist.

    by Fortunesfool

    Apart from that though, it's really good. Good fun and has a nice 'old school' feel to it.

  • June 4, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Only a mindless clone will diss a movie for low box office

    by MattmanReturns

    And I have a feeling word of mouth will carry it.

  • June 4, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    X Men First Class is Batman Begins

    by antonphd

    It won't make as much as the other X Men movies but it restored credibility to the series and the next film only need to build on what this film did right to be a huge box office success.

  • June 4, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    genderblender, go fuck yourself

    by antonphd

    because you are an asshole and nobody else will fuck you

  • June 4, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    antonphd, genderblender is a she.

    by AsimovLives

  • June 4, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    well if you can't get Robert Shaw, get someone like him

    by chien_sale

    Like Brendan Gleason. At least physicaly intimidating.

  • June 4, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Feh, I bet First Class plays and plays for most of the Summer.

    by Orbots Commander

    And I bet that X-Men First Class 2 or Second Class is a full-on blockbuster.

  • One of the most erotic experiences of my life.

  • June 4, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    So what, the First Xmen did 54 mil, X2 did 85 opening weekend.

    by ganymede3010

    By the time Second Class comes around Fassbender will be a full blown star. I'll guarantee you the box office take will double just as X2 did from it's predecesser.

  • June 4, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Also, Beast looked incredible you retards!!!!

    by ganymede3010

    Anyone who thinks otherwise should think of Kelsey Grammer.

  • June 4, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Once again, Kick-Ass SUCKED!!!!!

    by axelfoley

    Don't get the fawning over that movie. It's like a bunch of teenage white girls who flock around black guys playing basketball with their shirts off...

  • June 4, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Once again Kick Ass Rocked!!!

    by ganymede3010

    However thank you for sharing your obscure opinion that's not shared by any intelligent movie reviewers.

  • June 4, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Great Movie, but No Dark Knight

    by AdorableAssHat

    They really shouldn't even be compared. It's like comparing The Bridges of Madison County with Jurrasic Park because they were both books. The Dark Knight = The Godfather First Class = Heat Both great, but in a totally different way.

  • June 4, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST

    What studio the rights to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch?

    by sunwukong86

    Does anyone know why they havent been in any of the movies?

  • June 4, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    nightarrows

    by Cruizer Dave

    Thanks for your comments! While I see your points, I don't think that Juggernaut and Colossus not fighting in a predictable slug fest is a reason not to like the movie. A lot of your reasons are just critiques that they didn't make the movie you would have made. I wouldn't have made X-men 2 the way they did either, but I still think it's a great movie. But at least you have some legitimate critiques, so good for you! I understand people who are fans of X-men didn't like it, and I'm not saying it's great. I just don't think its horrible. I think it's better than Superman Returns or Spider-Man 3, not that that's saying a lot! I'm still trying to get to this new one! It sounds awesome!

  • June 4, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Genderblender here's proof to support my position where's yours?

    by ganymede3010

    Here's a list of the top critic's that liked Kick Ass. To sum it up, Washington Post, New York Times, Rolling Stone, New York Daily News, San-Francsico Chronicle, USA TODAY, Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, Boston Globe, etc. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1217700-kick_ass/reviews/?type=top_critics So please source your information, your subjective blustering doesn't qualify, sorry to break it to you.

  • June 4, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Was my theater the only one to burst out in awkward laughter?

    by Peppino_Squeezebox

    You know, when they cut pointedly to a black person and pause after the mention of slavery? That was ridiculous.

  • June 4, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    spazmatic1074

    by seibei iguchi

    Wasn't Beetlejuice PG?

  • June 4, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Beast was HORRIBLE!!!! Looked like a Power Rangers creature! Urgh!

    by Curious_Jorge

    There's a reason why they didn't show too much of him in the trailers. Seriously, he looked like he stepped right out of a Power Rangers tv show. As Hank McCoy he was ok, but as Harry said, he totally lacked the dialogue and the cool moves. Brett Ratner got Beast PERFECT; this Beast was awful. Kevin Bacon, OTOH, was AWESOME as Sebastian Shaw. And I'm not a Kevin Bacon fan. Made me sad at the end. :( The gunshot wound scene -- WAAAAAAY overplayed. My gawd, we get it. A little subtlety would have spoken volumes. The whole "choosing sides" thing was a little thin. Did no one in the Hellfire Club have enough loyalty to Shaw to say, "Fuck off, Magneto!" and go their own way?

  • June 4, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    doom master and theplant both on FOX's payroll

    by deelzbub

    genderblender works for DC/WB. Their opinions are dubious

  • June 4, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Bob Shaw

    by big_log

    Good call. Also, your writing is much improved, Harry. Glad to see you've been rehabbing your grammar as well. Not perfect, but improved.

  • June 4, 2011, 6:57 p.m. CST

    diminishing expections or you are simply easy to please

    by hegele

    the pace was horrible. the relationship between eric and charles was not developed enough. They were not friends, they were acquaintances for a short while before splitting up. there is no genuine tension. horrible, horrible lines. "I CAN"T FEEL MY LEGS! x8" some sloppy cgi.

  • June 4, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Loved the cameo.

    by Loosejerk

    Can't believe they used Longshot, the time-bending mutant as the cameo. I had a geek-asm. Actually, I haven't seen this movie cause the closest theater showing it is 90 miles away. So, I just make up bullshit to pass the time.

  • June 4, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    "horrible, horrible lines. "I CAN"T FEEL MY LEGS! x8""

    by Shermdawg

    What the fuck was he supposed to say in that situation!?

  • June 4, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST

    genderblender - let me quote a line of my comment

    by antonphd

    go fuck yourself you are a dickhead

  • she's being a dickhead and having a vagina doesn't change that fact.

  • June 4, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST

    genderblender

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Seriously. Wanna get some espresso?

  • June 4, 2011, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Angel

    by jules windex

    That's the #1 bit of proof that X3 is not considered part of the official Xmen film timeline....unless at some point she got a sex change and bleached her skin.

  • June 4, 2011, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Remember... Mutant and PPPPPProud!

    by Triple_J_72

    Oh, sorry I spit toothpaste on you.

  • Think about it: a 60s era espionage movie set in the hottest period of the cold with the lead being played by good looking, self centered egotistic sexual predator (Xavier) with sexy female sidekick (Mystique) vs a charismatic, uber rich mad scientist with plan for world domination (Sebastian Shaw) with his own hot assistant/assassin (Emma Frost) and minor assassins to do his bidding who has his own top secret lair/fortress. Throw in a 3d party character (Magneto) with motives of his own the hero needs to take down villainous mastermind. Add scenes of international locales, heroes own top secret HQ, lots of one liners, women treated as sexual objects and a final throwdown with master villain in his lair and getting a spectacular death and voila! a Sean Connery James Bond movie!!

  • June 4, 2011, 10:27 p.m. CST

    choppah and genderblender - PLEASE start dating

    by antonphd

    for the sake of AICN talk back we all need the two of you to start getting some

  • June 4, 2011, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Know what choppah tells the ladies after 10 minutes with him?

    by leo54304

    You've been chopped!!

  • June 4, 2011, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Hahahaha I'll just fuckin spoil it!!

    by zillabeast

    The black guy DIES! Had me laughing my ass off!

  • June 4, 2011, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Know what they should have had the black guy swear? **SPOILER**

    by leo54304

    A red shirt

  • June 5, 2011, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Viggo, I don't disagree with your excellent post...

    by leo54304

    but you know what? Despite its flaws (which you did a great job pointing out) I still had fun with the movie and while it not great, I felt like a young kid again when I was first discovering comics watching this movie. And for a movie like "First Class" that wasn't shooting to be another "Dark Knight" I think it did fine in that respect.

  • June 5, 2011, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Hey you, token negro!

    by Mojo-Wan

    Go distract the bad guy while we good white folk sit over here where it's safe.

  • June 5, 2011, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Just Came Back...

    by AdamWarlock

    I was underwhelmed in the first half, it was okay but it moved so fast I felt I could hardly get into any character. The skirts were mighty fine. I want to date Jennifer Lawrence. Major FAIL with Fassbender suddenly going all brogue at the end, "oh, it was German-Irish, his dad came from Dublin...." I saw so fricken much from the previews hardly anything surprised me, I felt I saw most of it before I got in the theater. The flying scenes COULD have been very cool, but I didn't get that WHOOSH feel that I want. Beast action was pretty forgetable, I think the blue furry transformation could have been put off to a sequel. Bacon was okay. Basically, this movie had half a soul, thru the actors, but it was a definite money-grab for Fox that doesn't have the real comic love that the Marvel produced movies have. Because it doesn't connect with the Marvel universe in any substantial way it doesn't have the richness that Thor has, for instance. MacAvoy was okay to, but do-gooders are basically boring in movies. I think Singer definitely had the magic touch in X1 and X2, but his presence definitely could have had more impact.

  • June 5, 2011, 1:57 a.m. CST

    X3 made the most $$, and is the worst X-Men movie

    by MattmanReturns

    Record breaking box office means absolutely dick. A second viewing only solidified for me that First Class is the finest X-Men movie. It's not for the A.D.D. generation raised on rapid editing and incoherent fight scenes. Fuck them. They finally made an X-Men movie for ME.

  • June 5, 2011, 2:40 a.m. CST

    I liked Wolverine

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    It wasn't that bad. You nerds need to get laid. Or something.

  • June 5, 2011, 3:06 a.m. CST

    the Dark Knight and Iron Man are mediocre

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    I didn't say it. Lol. Don't hit me. I don't know. I'm tempted to complain about the whiney jaded babies that say stupid shit like that all the time here. But maybe that's what gives these talkbacks their charm. Partly. All of you fuck tards who drank too much Starbucks and are mad at the world so they take it out on Chris Nolan.

  • June 5, 2011, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Saw First Class then X-Men, X2, and X3 on FX earlier tonight

    by zillabeast

    It's not a lie, First Class is the best of the bunch. I hope so badly that Vaughn gets to make one more.

  • June 5, 2011, 3:24 a.m. CST

    What Azazel did to those CIA guys was fucking terrifying

    by zillabeast

    I was genuinely spooked. Not a pun.

  • June 5, 2011, 5:31 a.m. CST

    lol dude

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    It's not that I worship my Dark Knight DVD and place candles around it on an altar. It's the guys who make it their personal mission to exclaim how "mediocre" or bad those movies supposedly are. Why all the negativity? Is it because youre a troll? Hmmmm? It makes your entire contribution to the talkback a big joke. You stated that The Dark Knight is mediocre. That's just a laughable statement. It's erroneous. That's a fact. Even with personal taste being subjective, I'm still calling bullshit on your statements. That's my only contribution to the conversation, I think guys like you are fucktards!

  • June 5, 2011, 7:14 a.m. CST

    The 2008 Hulk Movie

    by Autodidact

    Why does the 2008 Hulk movie not get more hate? It was so goddamn awful. "I need more data. Get me more data" and the whole ultra-lame Abomination nemesis thing. The 2003 Hulk was a far better film as well as a much better "Hulk movie". Too bad he fought a big cloud of energy in the end but I always look at that fight with Absorbing Man as part of the denouement of Hulk 2003 and the proper climax is the Hulk's desert run.

  • June 5, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Hulk

    by drwilliamweir

    Hey, I liked Hulk 2003 too! I think some people seriously misrepresent that movie. It had real depth and character, despite the somewhat idiotic ending that suffers from the same EVIL BLOB syndrome as the original X-Men. Despite coming off as a bit of an anal fart (Iron Man, The Dark Knight - bad comic book movies? really), viggeo_mortensen's initial rundown of First Class is top notch. There's even more problems with the film than he listed though, which does make me wonder why some people are so jumped up about it. I'll admit you can get carried away with it in parts, but it's as depthless as X Men 3, and with probably an equal amount of issues as a movie if you can get past the Dark Phoenix issues (and at this juncture, I'd argue you could as they films don't follow comic canon anyway). Earlier someone threw away the continuity issues as if you can just get past them because it's a film - really? Sigh. I don't want to come off high-handed about all this but it's a pretty important part of film making. As for First Class being a reboot, I'm just not seeing it - it's just a standard actioner done in the same style with direct references to the earlier films. A reboot would be Batman Begins, The Incredible Hulk or the new Superman and Spiderman films. Tonally and directorially different to the original.

  • June 5, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Edi Gathegi already leaked his character survives.

    by ganymede3010

    He gave an interview about 2 weeks before the film was released. And one thing he kept emphasizing during the interview was his character can't die, because his mutation allows him to adapt to any and every possible scenario. There's no way in this politically correct age that they would kill off the only Black character first. However, Singer almost never works with, writes or develops Black characters in his movies. The only ones I can recall are Halle Berry and Edi Gathegi. Despite that, IMO I believe the character isn't dead.

  • It has vast touches of greatness, yet parts are worse than X3. It's like it was half directed by David Fincher and half by The Rat, and their works mashed together. And the score? Was it taken from Superman 4? Ultimately and overall, I'd still place it ahead of all the previous X movies. And that's just due to the top tier performances from Fassbender, MacAvoy and Bacon who, ironically, makes a great Nazi. These guys just elevate the damned thing. Also, Jennifer Lawrence is distractingly gorgeous. Everytime she's onscreen you barely notice anything else. Finest legs in the world, I think.

  • Hi Darwin. Bye Darwin.

  • June 5, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    sequel requirement: SENTINELS

    by zooch

    It's time to finally bring in X-Men vs. SENTINELS.

  • June 5, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Viggeo: "Did we watch the same movie, mattman?"

    by MattmanReturns

    I read your review (which was very entertainingly written, btw) and yeah I do feel like we watched a different movie. I didn't find it tedious or poorly paced in the slightest, and I loved every performance other than January Jones (easy on the eyes, painful on the ears). Thought everything about Mystique was excellent, from her character development to her makeup. Loved the parallel between her and Beast, and his ironic transformation. Loved all the young mutants, especially the scene establishing their powers. Thought the dialogue was excellent, with the perfect amount of humor thrown in from time to time to keep things from getting too dramatic. Fassbender and McAvoy had excellent chemistry. I instantly believed they had a connection, and the scene in which Xavier reaches into Erik's mind was profoundly moving. Again, the action scenes were very well choreographed and creative. Azazel teleporting the CIA agents into the sky and dropping them was one of the coolest things I've seen this year, along with the chilling "What's that sound?" buildup toward it. The coin moment with Kevin Bacon (who was a fun, irredeemable Bond-style villain) was incredibly satisfying. It's hard not to root for Fassbender. Like I said, I saw it twice and it worked wonderfully for me both times. Can't wait to pickup the blu-ray.

  • June 5, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Could "First Class" be the equvalent of JJ Abrams "ST"?

    by leo54304

    Lot of similarities I think consider the following: Pretty positive fanboy reaction and I think with general public despite flaws in plot, dialogue, etc Decent opening and fairly strong legs making a nice enogh profit to make a sequel. Sequel for "First Class" is a guess on my part but I think there will be one Strong opinions between those that loathe both movies and those that will defend despite what they know are flaws. Although ST is the handsdown winner in the love/hate category. Just look at the volume of posts on ST and can still spark a hot debate even though its now only going on between a few posters. Personally when I see a thread about JJ/ST I just avoid because the same parties will argue the same points as they always do.

  • June 5, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Viggo, your movie idea is too big

    by leo54304

    Great idea for a nice comic storyline but too many characters, storyline, special effects to cram into a movie or three. All the flaws you mentioned in FC would be amplified in yours. I'd like it but too big, complicated and can't be done. I'd go with the Krakoa Island story to introduce the current team or as zooch mentioned the sentinels. Sentinels make a better idea. Follow up with government now preparing to defend against Magneto and the mutant threat. Take the Sentinel program and Trask idea of Lee and run with it. Remember when Clairmont/Cockrum xmas story when the Sentinels attacked the xmen at the mall? That'd rock. Also remember from "Marvels" when it showed Sentinels at night flying over NYC scanning the population for mutants? That was scary and would translate well to the big screen. Plus a final battle at the manufacturing plant where the Sentinels are being made would be a fine finish. Another reason for sentinels is it could be pitched as terminators v mutants. What studio wouldn't love to have that on their movie schedule? And sentinels could be human sized MIB types and the 20 ft tall ones cutting down on FX costs. Plus by having it be played as gov't vs mutants would allow for Magneto and his group to be involved again as both teams are targeted. Know who would make a great Bolivar Trask? John Lithgow. He can do sane scientist one moment and slightly dangerous one the next.

  • June 5, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    BSB, for all its flaws here things that rise FC above the others

    by leo54304

    The Hellfire Club scene with the hookers in those 60s panties/bra's outfits. Plus, where else but the Kennedy era of the 60s can hookers walk the sidewalks of vegas openly? That is why JFK is one of our greatest presidents. JFK initials really could have been BSB. Rose having that sexy bra/panty ensemble on as her daily wear and that makes up for a lot of the bad in the movie plus she spends like 5 minutes running around in that outfit. She's a worthy american version of Emma Peel. Emma Frost tied up and helpless in her ensemble outfit, I could never get tired of that. Except when January Jones delivered her lines. Talk about a "Not tonight honey, I have a headache" type gal. Mystique and her legs, plus how Magneto and Best didn't bang her when they had the chance I'll never know. Course Hank was only interested in her blood and M wanted to show she couldn't seduce him. Me, I'd be like a combination vacuum cleaner/jackhammer on that sweet thing.

  • June 5, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    VIGGEO - ON THE LIGHTING

    by BSB

    I agree with much of what you said, but I actually appreciated the lighting in XFC. It seems like every movie today is shades of green and brown, and although the effects here weren't the best, the daytime showdown on in the ocean was a nice change from the typical night-time battles we're used to seeing now.

  • The one who's been banging and having phone sex with the head of ISIS (And Archers mom?). "Archer" my favorite show on tv. Fox tv. If you like james Bond stuff, sex, violence, co-worker on co-worker sex and backstabbing then this show is for you.

  • June 5, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    I liked it

    by REDD

    The only thing that really pulled me out of the movie was January Jones' performance, really bad. Who made the decision to cast her?

  • June 5, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    LEO - WORD, BRO, WORD!

    by BSB

    Yes, I just kept thinking to myself throughout the movie how much I wanted Mystique's succulent legs and bury my face in her ass. Like I said, very distracting. I hated that Shaw died because I would've loved to have seen a proper sequel based on the Hellfire Club story and the corruption of Phoenix. I don't get Hollywood. The comics hand them some perfectly great stories and they find ways to fuck it up for no good reason. Bacon/Shaw is one of the all-time great superhero villains and now he's gone. Moira is a little light on the cleavage, but I dug her tight booty.

  • June 5, 2011, 11:36 a.m. CST

    is it as boring as STARGATE?

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • June 5, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    THE CASTING OF THE MILITARY LEADERS WAS TERRIBLE

    by BSB

    Here was another case where a chance at greatness was missed. If they had gone with unknown actors playing the admirals and generals and what not, this could've been a great 'film' along the lines of Thirteen Days and JFK. Where there was a sense of realism and danger in the confrontation. But Michael Ironside and other familiar faces cheapened the thing. Again, so frustrating.

  • June 5, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    In Re: to the X-3 hate.

    by Juggernaut125

    I have to say this. After watching it in the theatre. (Hoping for a phenomenal Juggernaut appearance and getting... that.) The best reaction came from a total stranger. Some girl standing outside the theatre had this to say. "If anyone asks me to describe this movie, I'm going to say 'Everyone dies and everyone comes back to life.' " That pretty much sums up my dislike for the film.

  • June 5, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    To be fair about those keeping score about the box office weekend...

    by Triple_J_72

    ... me and my mom (who actually read the comics in the 60's), got to see the movie for free. We got a couple of passes from a Blu-Ray special offer and printed them out. I don't know if they actually count towards the B.O. total. Sure makes up for the ridiculous popcorn prices though... Jesus Christ...

  • June 5, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Hellfire Club can still be brought back

    by leo54304

    But with different muties running it or even magneto himself as the power behind it and Emma Frost as one of the public faces. But hellfire Club can definitely be used again. Just have the new leader decide that its a great idea just that Shaw failed where he (or she) will succeed. Know who would have a made a great Shaw that I was first introduced to in the 80s? Michael Ironside. Yep, got the looks, presence and villainy that made Shaw so great. Actually, use the Clairemont storyline that had Shaw and the Hellfire Club as the contractors for the Wideawake Program government program. Then the sentinels could be introduced. Still would prefer the Lee storyline that introduced us to the sentinels and Bloivar Trask.

  • June 5, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Ticket price is $9.50 for evening show in Green Bay WI

    by leo54304

  • June 5, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Wanna get a t-shirt of wolverine with the saying:

    by leo54304

    Fuck Off!

  • Using a form of mass transportation or on a passenger airplane Being the token (take your pick of race, religion, gender, etc) You're a: government agent, business owner or manager of a small business, drug dealer, pimp, taxi cab driver Tourist Why do you not want to be one of the above? Chances are you're going to: Die Get kidnapped Raped or someone will attempt to Get shot (Possibly be hit and then could die) Watch others around die as you wait for your turn Spout bad stereotypical dialogue Get punched out (whether or not you deserve it) You're the asshole of the one scene you're in

  • June 5, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    RAFA NADAL GOTTA BE A MUTANT

    by BSB

    Only explanation for coming back after being down 4-1 in the first set. Holy shit!

  • June 5, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    The same people who're focusing on the Box Office Take!

    by ganymede3010

    Will be the first ones to say B.O take doesn't matter whenever it's brought up when debating Michael Bay's ability as a director. Hypocrites the lot of you.

  • June 5, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    And in an x-men flick you never want to be:

    by leo54304

    the token mutant or the one who's never been in a mutant comic. And if your first appearance to the fanboys comes in a movie, well theres a reason your life insurance premium is so high. Actually the code name of such mutants should: Bullseye (I know its taken but still...), Dead Meat, Dead Mutant Walking, 5 Minutes (Cuz thats how much screen time you'll get), Sacrifice, Who Cares or Who's THAT mutant?, Red Shirt, Bodybag Another bad thing about being the token mutant or the one with the useless is your a scrub. You're never gonna get the hot mutant girl. Period. AIn't gonna happen. Nadda. No way. Or if you're lucky she'll take an interest in you and sparks will fly. And just as that kiss you longed for is about to happen....BOOM!! Something bad happens and you die. Now maybe just as you're dying you'll get your kiss (If you're lucky) but don't count on it. Chances are you're going to die a nasty death. Sucks to be you huh?

  • June 5, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    OMG, just saw a robin catch a butterfly and eat it

    by leo54304

    Then again I saw a blackbird divebomb a full grown raccoon multiple times to drive it away from bread I left out the birds the other day. Forgot mother natures first rule of survival: which is survival of the fittest. The second being: produce more of your kind than what gets wiped out by attrition or your species dies. Non-AICN related but thought I'd share it.

  • June 5, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    @natalieportmansyummyafterbirth

    by templesweeper

    You said I need to "get laid." Your probably right. My 4th child was born yesterday. I have an absolutely stunning wife. Great job. I love sports (playing or watching), writing music, writing books, hiking mountains... I am totally thankful for my life and I am crazy-blessed. So, I am allowed to be a "nerd" about a few things in life, thank you. You people who are so quick to make blankey statements about someone crack me up.

  • June 5, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Saw it...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    It's now my favorite X-Men flick. It's James Bond with mutant powers. It's the least 'self-conscious' about being about comic book heroes of the series. And I'd watch a Magneto post WWII series of movies. The scenes where he's on the hunt are fucking incredibly well done. Love this flick. Also, Magneto's final scene with Shaw. Very cool. If you didn't like Kick Ass, that has nothing to do with this. This is more Layer Cake than Kick Ass. And that's an awesome thing. Seeing it twice. Dan

  • June 5, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Agree with micturatingbenjamin

    by SantiagoAndDunbar

    Really enjoyed it for those same reasons. Also, not following the comic books don't really bother me. These are separate entities and should be judged on their quality as a movie, not whether it followed the comics. It's great to see a mutant movie done well.

  • June 5, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    The sauce is weak.

    by Aaron

    Forget about continuity and X-Men for a second. This was, quite simply, a stupid movie. Made for TV, it could have been. Magneto had a couple of good moments, but the rest was bleh to the fucking max. I zoned out and started thinking about other shit for about ten minutes at one point before I realized that I forgot that I was sitting in a theater. Watching this movie try to justify its own existence with this overly complicated, but embarassingly stupid, plot was shudder inducing. I did like the Bacon chewing scenery, but that was it. Mystique was AWFUL. TERRIBLE ACTING. Just terrible acting from everyone except for magneto and prof x. Thor is the winner so far. Soon to be followed by cap. Make mine marvel studios.

  • June 5, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Would a Magneto hunting nazi's be worth making?

    by leo54304

    So far, those who disliked the movie felt that the acting of Xavier and magneto were strong points. Also, I don't think anyone had problems with the Magneto hunting nazi storyline. So why not use that a basis for a movie. Set it in the late 50s, early 60s when Magneto is learning to use his powers and is just starting his vendetta against the nazis. Think about it: cold war is on, the hunt for nazis is going on by the americans, russians, brits and the new nation of Israel. Europe is rebuilding from the war, east/west have drawn their lines of influence. You could even use Orson Wells movie "The Third Man" as part of the backdrop. And in the middle of it all is a vengeance driven man just learning to use his mutant abilities to hunt down those who killed his mother and tried to wipe out his race. The backstreets of europe, a forgotten nazi stronghold in Poland, a (CIA, MOSSAD,KGB) agent who may or may not be on his side, nazi deathsquad with at least one of them is a nazi super soldier who in turn are hunting Magneto and the ultimate target of Magneto, a nazi doctor of death turns out to be more than he appears to be (But doesn't have to be a mutant).

  • In it, Fury shows what he would do to a major villain who deserved no mercy. Hell, it nicely showed what Fury would to Osama Bin Laden if he ever had him in the same room.

  • Raven: "Can you read my mind, Charles?" Charles: *Unzips pants*

  • June 5, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    batman begins

    by J

    Yep those unknowns in Batman Begins like, Christain Bale, Micheal Caine, Liam Neeson, Katie Holmes, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman every person in that movie were well known well established actors. I am sick and tired of all this unknown actors crap ppl spout when talking about it

  • June 5, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Average guy to the x-men after they save the day

    by leo54304

    Average guy: First, thanks for saving us X-men Cyclops:No problem good citizen Average guy: Just one question though Cyclops: Go ahead. Anything to promote friendship between our races Average guy: About the name "X-men"? Well, me and the boys keep thinking its the name that would the title of a porn movie or something to do with porn. Know what I'm saying? Cyclops: Gotta run.

  • June 5, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Sub-Par

    by MJDeViant

    They could have spent a lot more time with just Xavier, Magneto and Shaw. There should have been like X-Men: Origins or something before "First Class" with just Charles and Erik finding and facing Sebastian. Magneto and Xavier fail to stop Shaw and his team from something BEFORE the Cuban Missile Crisis and decide they need more help to head off WW3. They would escape at the end and THEN "First Class" could have been more in-depth with recruiting and building those characters. I felt like besides MAYBE Mystique and Hank, the characters were just thrown in there. The whole movie was this weird mix of cheesiness with spurts of greatness (usually Erik and Xavier) and it just felt all over the place. It is better than the other X-Men movies but that isn't saying much. I just don't feel any chemistry at all in the X-Men, they just seem like odd stereotypical bit parts that happen to have longer screen time.

  • June 5, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Michael Fassbender

    by Henry Fool

    ...is FUCKING AWESOME. Ever since I saw him on the BBC series "Hex", I've been a fan. In the second season, his character had a fantastic monologue about what his favorite part of 'Reservoir Dogs' was while torturing a drug dealer who had the misfortune of crossing their path. <br /> <br /> Quentin Tarantino had to have seen it. It didn't surprise me at all when Fassbender ended up in Inglorious Basterds. I was disappointed that his character died relatively early in the film but such is the way of things in a Tarantino film.<br /> <br /> He's my favorite English actor whose star is currently on the rise. He's still my top choice for Roland in "The Dark Tower" adaptation. Javier Bardem is great but I'd rather see him as Randall Flagg, Stephen King's most archetypal villain.

  • June 5, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST

    I liked it.

    by PorkChopXpress

    It was good. Beast's practical face make-up sucked pretty bad, but the CG-enhanced expressions he made looked cool. Good story, nice to see the silver age characters like Havoc and Banshee, some good cameo moments...it might be my favorite of the X-movies.

  • June 5, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    X3

    by Henry Fool

    I liked X3. It wasn't as good as X2, which was one of the truly great comic book films. But I enjoyed it more than the first one and liked it way, way more than the Wolverine spin-off, which found all sorts of ways to be mediocre.<br /> <br /> I've never loved a film by Brett Ratner but I don't hate the guy. I thought he did a pretty good job of giving 'Red Dragon' a tone that matched Jonathan Demme's work on "Silence". It wasn't nearly as good a film but that's what you get when you cop out and change the book's ending. His work on X3 was solid. As movies go, I thought it had too many characters to work fully but it was still a fun ride. I love Ian McKellan's final scene. They just needed more 'oomph' in their portrayal of the Dark Phoenix. It was kind of weird to have Jean Grey return from the dead only to die again, this time for good.<br /> <br /> It's worth noting that, despite Harry's hatred of X3, Roger Ebert gave the film 3 stars. It was generally a pretty well reviewed film. Like me, Ebert didn't care for the first one, either.

  • June 5, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST

    It was great. Almost too great, because ...

    by Behemoth

    ... it really made the original films seem nearly unwatchable now, simply because the relationships are so much deeper and passionate in this one. The whole Mystique relationship with X ... now seems ridiculous that she barely even says a word to him in the original films. Magneto's relationship with Mystique, now seems silly how quickly he abandons her in X3. Also, how quickly he gets over X's fate in X3 considering the extent of their relationship in this one. Bacon sizzled, btw. Always wanted to say that. But it's true. Magneto was the obvious star here. The scene in the bar with the Germans was just fantastic. This was a great fucking movie. Whoever the imbecile was above who said it was "the worst movie I've ever seen" should have his/her taint tazered relentlessly, because you are A MORON. Oh, and this criticism: "It didn't breathe. needed to breathe." What the FUCK does that mean, you pretentious ass? Never mind. You people are sickening douchebags, the lot of ya.

  • June 5, 2011, 8:31 p.m. CST

    dioxholster =

    by Lukes Lost Hand

    TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  • June 5, 2011, 8:40 p.m. CST

    If Daniel Craig ever decides to opt out...

    by Orbots Commander

    ...or is pushed out, of the Bond part, you have to think that Fassbender is now everyone's top choice to play 007. If anything, the first 1/4 of First Class is basically a Bond series audition for the guy, and he pulls it off in spades.

  • June 5, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    How a prequel should be done

    by Bass Ackwards

    It made me think Star Wars, if Star Wars could have somehow started with Empire Strikes Back. Its how a prequel should be done, using our knowledge of the movies to lend its characters resonance and gravity without wasting time being weighed down by the baggage of those same movies. Hopefully we're done with sequels to Singers flicks (and I say that as someone who still absolutely loves X2), no more spin offs, all I want at this point is this series to be THE series, its a kick ass starting point and I want to see how/if these guys can keep it going. And Azazel vs CIA guys, to agree with an above poster, spooky, hearing the thumping, and then cutting away to discover what he's doing to make that thumping sound, yikes! Incredible that what I imagine to be one of the more time consuming effects (or maybe not, I'm no effects wizard) has produced probably the two most memorable action sequences of the whole series (Nightcrawler vs the White House and now Azazel vs CIA).

  • June 5, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Green Lantern is going to do around 50 million opening weekend

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    I thought the budget was 160, not 200.

  • June 5, 2011, 10:17 p.m. CST

    best 'Turn to the Dark Side' moment ever...

    by Negator76

    Saw the movie.... has it's flaws, but holy shit it delivers where it matters. Fassbender and McAvoy? Terrific. Team fighting? Excellent. AND FLYING. FINALLY WE GET TO SEE SOME X-MEN FLY! Brutal, kinda creepy villains? Check. But most importantly, The movie got you invested in the characters again. You know what good storytelling is? Good storytelling is when a theater full of people wince and gasp when Charles catches the bullet. Mind you, all of these people know that the guy ends up in a wheelchair, but the characters are so likable and the whole situation is so tragically avoidable that it moves you. And yes, Magneto's turn to the dark side when he murders Shaw is magnificent. It's not shocking that he kills Shaw; After all, that's all he talks about doing for two hours. No, it's the way he makes Charles complicit in the killing.... Charles could set Shaw free but it would mean starting WW3. So he's forced into acting as an accomplice and NOT ONLY THAT, he's stuck in the guy's head when the coin goes through. It's awesome because even as you empathize with Magneto, it becomes clear on these multiple levels how his self-righteousness has led him to do some truly awful shit. Great moment...must feel awful to be a Star Wars fan and see Vaughn and co. accomplish in one film what Lucas couldn't do over 6 agonizing hours. Bring on Second Class.

  • June 5, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Well said, negator.

    by Shermdawg

    That, and the satellite dish scene.....wow. That's what I wanted from the prequels.

  • June 5, 2011, 10:35 p.m. CST

    shermdawg...

    by Negator76

    Yeah, the satellite scene was great. FX are fun and everything, but that scene boiled down to two things: McAvoy and Fassbender's acting. I don't usually give actors a lot of credit but it was amazing the way they conjured up those emotions out of a very thin bit of script. Those dudes earned their paychecks, big time.

  • June 5, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Not great, but certainly good

    by Keith

    I enjoyed it. I felt it was slightly "tab A into slot B" at times, although that's a standard hazard with stories whose ends you already know, at least in part. Just as the prequel trilogy is all about Anakin ending up in the suit and the mask, so First Class is about Lensherr ending up in the helmet and Xavier in the wheelchair. But it's a good ride to that point. First half was excellent, with the Nazi-slaying in Argentina particularly splendid. I was slightly concerned to see that my near-neighbouring Oxford College, Hertford, had had its lower floor confiscated and turned into a pub called "The Eagle" (not even a child in sight), but I accept that it made for a beautiful shot.

  • June 5, 2011, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Oh, and...

    by Keith

    ...I enjoyed the heavy whiff of 60s/70s Bond movies about the whole thing. The Mutants Who Loved Me.

  • June 5, 2011, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Angel did NOT get a sex change...

    by ClayG

    There have been two characters named Angel in X-Men continuity. Might want to read this, since you apparently don't read enough comics. http://marvel.wikia.com/Angel_Salvadore_%28Earth-616%29 And yes, I'm well aware Miss Salvadore was not a member of the "First Class" in the comics. But she isn't a new character, either, slackers.

  • June 5, 2011, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Henry Fool re: Fassbender

    by Keith

    "He's my favorite English actor" He isn't English. He's Irish. (Actually Irish-German, although raised mainly in Ireland.)

  • June 5, 2011, 11:31 p.m. CST

    "SPOILERS" Education Time

    by AdorableAssHat

    I was schooled on this earlier: Angel is in the comics. She doesn't have a code name, her real name is Angel. She is a "reject" mutant pretty much. Darwin is alive and well. Magneto and Sebastian Shaw have never even been in the same room together, much less have anything close to the history in the movie. Shaw uses KINETIC energy to become stronger. He doesn't absorb explosions and use it to create explosions. They made him Gambit in this film. Nightcrawler is the child of Mystique and Azazal. Figure that one out. Havok is Cyclops's YOUNGER brother. He doesn't have to do a funky hip dance to use his power, either. Let me keep going.... Juggernaut is Prof. X's brother. Sabretooth is (most likely)Wolvie's father....and dead. Wolverine is not 6ft 5, he's 5ft and some change. Cyclops is alive, well, and leading the X-Men Here's something that should blow your mind, since we want to trash this movie for continuity's sake.... Joker had nothing to do with Bruce Wayne's parent's death. Point being, I'm a comic geek (or used to be), and a lot of times these movie's piss me off because they totally ruin the history. With that said, I thought this movie was great. The X-Men history is so convoluted that it would never transfer well to the screen. In order to do so, you'd have to go through some pretty boring shit. We've all seen how direct translations work out (enter Watchmen, one of the single most boring pieces of comic book adaptations ever made). And I don't care who disagrees, TDK is the end all, be all of Comic Book movies IMO, if not of all movies. Felt like I should rant since it seems like the thing to do here.

  • June 5, 2011, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Reaction

    by eloy

    I was about to write that I was scared about the rather mixed up receptión I´ve been able to find throughout talkbacks so far, but I´ll simply say, instead, that I´m disappointed. Because it´s the fans´s reaction I´m talking about here. I loved this movie, big time. And it seems to me that not enough people remember the days when a "comic book movie" meant Spawn. Pyun´s Captain America. Corman´s Fantastic Four. The Crow: City of Angels. Please, people, really, you really got the balls to shit on a 60´s-set X Men movie that uses the original costume design? That gives us the Charles- Erik relationship genesis? Emma Frost straight out of the comic book pages, like an Austin Powers Fembot? Banshee flying? Cuban missiles crisis? Do you, for half a second, actually believe this would have been greenlit in '95? Fuck, back in 2005? We´re living right, smack-dab in the middle of a dream, people, a beutiful dream that´s brought to us Batman Begins, Spiderman 2, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man and Thor, and X Men: First Class. You sure you wanna send this message to the fucking suits who sign the checks? That all we want is Hugh Jackman snarling around? That we don´t give a shit about daring approaches and really respectful, heartfelt takes on these myths? This dream is gonna end, that´s for sure.When? I don´t know but I do know that, for the life of me, can´t see why we, of all people, should help to rush out its demise. Really. With all due respect. Get the fuck out and watch this movie.

  • June 6, 2011, 12:46 a.m. CST

    SENTINELS?

    by Droogie Alex

    I don't get why people want the Sentinels so bad. Would it really make any kind of sense to have 50 foot tall robots walking around? What kind of technology would support that? Character interaction is what counts.

  • June 6, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST

    It's a fucking BOMB, I love it.

    by joshuavance1701

    I ...dont know why but, that just tickles the shit out of me. This movie is a epic sized bomb of mediocre proportions. I just love that. I love when a film that self-righteous, smug, condescending, trite little shitheads hype and inflate such as watchmen, and now this turd, bombs majestically. Then, I love how a film these pompous fuckheads universally ridicule, succeeds majestically at the box office and makes waves with critics and general audiences alike, of which said fuckheads cry for years about how the "dumbed down masses" drool over mediocrity. I just, love it, God help me I love it. Cry on shitheads, cry on. BAAAAH HAAAH HAAAH HAAAH, I fart in your general direction.

  • June 6, 2011, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Speaking of which

    by joshuavance1701

    What's the next turd coming that everyone will love but the 7 or 8 that regularly post on these forums? I HIGHLY anticipate that major letdown as well.

  • June 6, 2011, 2:19 a.m. CST

    I love how you guys are overlooking...

    by Shermdawg

    ...the fact that each film in the series has had it's box office dip due to the critical response of the previous film. If you think this was gonna pull X2 sized numbers with Wolverine being awful, and the bad taste X3 left in some people's mouths, along with this being a cast reboot, you're crazy. Fox has already stated they are happy with the film's performance.....though I'll even admit that's probably just PR, but given the great reviews this has got, it's probably gonna lead to decent dvd sales, and a sequel to see if that good word of mouth paid off and faith has been restored in the franchise. If it doesn't, after The Wolverine....if that even gets off the ground, Fox would probably round up the original cast and do an X-men 4. They're not gonna let the rights revert to Marvel. As long as they have a plan b, or c to keep the series alive they'll take it. But if I'm wrong about all of that, and this is the end of the road....which it isn't. Hey, so what? We got a good flick with First Class, and the rights go to people that know how to handle the property. But you'd be INSANE to think that's gonna happen.

  • June 6, 2011, 2:20 a.m. CST

    I meant to say rise or dip.

    by Shermdawg

  • June 6, 2011, 2:30 a.m. CST

    And when someone does X-men fucking right, it's gonna be huge.

    by Shermdawg

    And no, I'm not talking about sticking to comic canon. Being 100% true to every character's background. Costumes. Special effects. More action. I'm talking about actual relationships. Character development beyond Chuck, Mags, and Logan. Great story telling that doesn't get stuck in some mantra that mutant rights is the only thing X-men is about. Sure it's an important driving factor for the property, but there's much more to it than that. Hopefully, whenever Marvel and Disney get it, they'll bring it to television (first), which would be the best place for something as expansive as the X-men universe. Like many have said before, this could be the new Star Trek. And it's a shame Fox didn't know just what they had to begin with.

  • June 6, 2011, 2:40 a.m. CST

    And if it does go to tv one day....

    by Shermdawg

    For the love of god plan it out ahead somewhat. You've got decades upon decades worth of material to draw from. I don't want it to end up being Heroes: Marvel.

  • June 6, 2011, 3:38 a.m. CST

    It probably woulda made a lot more with Wolverine

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

  • X-MEN: B Class What we’ve got here is yet again another successful failure, somewhere between bad and ok, or maybe the Fan-boys love it so much said noise adds up pressure on the mainstream press to agree this is good. But when your bad guy is the only Jew portrayed in a film that doesn’t take time to explain or discern that not all Jews are like Magneto…well, you get low brow trying to be high brow. This viewer has enjoyed all 3 previous incarnations of the mutants, including the deeply flawed 3rd installment and somewhat endured the Wolverine solo movie. My ex girlfriend Alana and I loved all 3 movies, they became our longing geek bond. Therefore I have geek credibility. I make comics, I am witty, I’m one of these Fan-boys therefore my opinion counts in this field. Except, it doesn’t count when I don’t go along with the flow and disagree, I am a mutant geek among these nerds; I am an outcast and I can relate to these characters twice fold. I went to see the midnight showing prior to Friday Nation wide release. The first bad sign was our local theatre was not showing this film in the biggest screen it has, so we endure it on a smaller screen. The movie recreates the beginning scene from the very first X-Men film, Erik Lehnsher (Magneto) being torn away from it’s parents in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. Kevin Bacon’s character Sebastian Shaw is a Nazi War Monger who sees Erik can bend metal, he forces Erik to move a coin, if Erik does not Erik’s mother gets shot in front of him. Erik does not moves the coin and the mother character is killed without much emotion, and the audience began to laugh at he horrible acting the child actor performs. Yes, this scene was shown Nation Wide, and the Director did not cut away from this horrible acting, therefore rendering the audience into laughter. I knew we were in trouble, specially when a Nazi coin flips around and becomes the emblem of The X-Men. Because Erik was never an official X-Men, and he’s the bad guy of the picture, this allegory does not work at all. They imitated the Smiley Face motif from Watchmen, and made into bad iconography here. The character of young Charles Xavier is iconic, and here he is shown as a witty womanizing young chap who utters the word “groovy” incoherently as to give us a sense this is the 1960s and he’s Austin Powers. But like horrible written dramas, he is either bipolar or a spas because whenever the situation gets serious he becomes serious, sometimes within 10 seconds of cracking a dumb joke no intellectual professor of Mutations in Britain would ever utter. He’s basically George W. Bush, he’s the guy you want to have a beer with, but he’s also the decider, and also think’s he’s smarter than you. Not quite in this film for he simply reads your mind. Patrick Stewart previous incarnation in the first X-Men acted as though Charles Xavier was an intellectual, rarely using his mutant powers to read people’s minds, often preferring to playing Chess without reading the opponent‘s mind. Here, James McAvoy characterization’s could have easily cheated in every test, read every professor’s mind for answers, and shown as a weak example of the character we love in the comics. And here is where the rush begins, we’re introduced to so many characters with so many gags to appease the audience with laughter and that wow-factor, except later on we the audience wonder “Hey wait a minute, that last gag could have been done in this instance to prevent this thing or that other character could have…oh wait I just missed another gag, dang it”. Mistique, she is Xavier’s adopted sister since child hood, she is a blue skin mutant who can morph into other people or mutants yet she has a “default human form” which in the other movies was played by the Rebecca Romin nowhere in the film is explained why or who this human default is. Mistique develops a crush on Hank McCoy who is another mutant who longs to be normal, but like all crappy movie clichés both of them instantly like each other without delving too much into it, all this is done so that Magneto can utter simple lines at Mistique and make her forget her brother’s teachings and her own dedication in life. Yes, in the 1960s, a pseudo feminist needs Magneto to tell her she’s beautiful as blue without having to morph into a normal human. Let me write that again, in the 1960s…even young writers with a fair glimpse of Wikipedia of this decade could have avoided this huge character flaw. There is also an African-American mutant here, but nowhere is he part of the Original First Class that was published in the original comics. He was created in 2002, part of the “missing X-Men”, basically a shoe-in character to show they did have African-American Mutants, they were just missing back in the original publications of the 60s. Actually in the first issue, published in 1963, all the original X-Men were white. Kevin Bacon’s bad guy character makes a snipe comment about “being a slave” while looking right at Darwin. Kevin Bacon’s breakthrough character after Footloose was a Racist Southerner in Oliver Stone’s JFK Biopic, clearly a great actor, one assumes he made that acting choice to clearly try to portray some authenticity to this “Script” and the times it represents. And as the token African-American in other movies, the character of Darwin dies first. More Rush time Characters Galore. We’re introduced to a red version of Night-Crawler called Azazel-No background given. Us Fan boys know Mistique is Night-Crawler’s mother and we assume Azazel is the father based on mutant abilities being the same. We’re introduced at a Emma Frost who can turn into diamonds and can read minds-No background given. We’re introduced to a male version of Storm called Riptide-No background given. We’re introduced to Alex Summers-No background given. Us Fan boys know he’s related Scott Summers (Cyclops) simply because they share the same last name and have something to do with Lasers. We’re introduced to Banshee-No background given. Angel Salvatore is an African-American stripper who has wings disguised as tattoos-No background given. Oh yeah, and there is this guy smoking a cigar who looks like Hugh Jackman who makes a cameo, he however doesn’t even get his name called - Wolverine. This cameo was the highlight of the film. So what’s the plot you ask? In one weak scene Charles Xavier extracts a memory from Emma Frost, it is revealed Kevin Bacon’s character Sebastian Shaw wants to start a nuclear war between Communist Russia and the United States of America so that the radiation that kills off the humans gives birth to the mutant race all over the world. Ok. So Radiation is to blame for mutation in this Universe of Mutants, and Charles Xavier is a professor in Mutation Biology and he doesn’t know this particular information regarding what causes the Mutation. Nice going Professor. So what do the human characters do in this film? They get in the way of character development. Oliver Platt plays “Man in Black Suit” and he’s easily disposed off. Rose Byrne plays Moira McTaggert, an FBI agent that witnesses a mutant attack on a military man and quickly recruits Charles. He flirts with her. But between the beginning 25 min and the last 15 minutes in the film, these two characters do not bond at all to justify the horrible ending which I will not spoil. Actually, Charles and Erik spend the most screen time together and it’s a shame no good dialogue about their conflict of ideologies is given to us. Small snippets is what we‘re given. I remember us Fan boys would compare these two characters to Malcolm x and Martin Luther King in terms of “by any means necessary” and “a peaceful solution” views. This great monumental battle of intellect between the two of them is teased but never fully delivered. The first X-Men Trilogy had more of this high caliber dialogue, and that’s when these two were established enemies. Here, with two big icons of comics still being friends, Professor X and Magneto are treated with snippets of dialogue and thus the whole opportunity is wasted. The best character around is definitely Erik Lehnsher Magneto. I told my friend it was a pity the film X-Men Origins: Magneto never went into production due to X-Men Origins: Wolverine performing poorly and being reviewed poorly as well. However, I learned most of the script from Origins: Magneto was the basis for this film. Which makes the most sense because he is the most developed character in this script while the addition of the others simply don’t do much for the plot or cohesive narrative of the film. It took four writers to come up with this script. Four. None of which could replace the awful late 1990s witty remarks into 1960s slang, nor could actually provide us with a necessary (yet B-movie) style of ‘meet the characters’ scene as to give the other mutants a background and somewhat of dept. Heck, I’d take one of those scenes where they just have Manila Envelopes with typed biographies of these side characters, or 1960s music injected into random scenes. I once saw a cheesy Chinese Karate movie, that depicted all Japanese as Rapist Samurai Raiders, and an Anglo traveling Christian who was caring a cross on his back and would use it to fight off bad guys. Yes, this was pretty silly and horribly inaccurate in every level, but I enjoyed it as I enjoyed this film: without thinking too much about their ‘basic Google search 101 attempting of being deep’ and enjoying the silliness action of it all. Better than X-Men: Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Not as great as X-Men and X-Men 2: X-Men United. If you want a great X-Men experience, go watch the X-Men TV Series that aired on Fox Kids between 1992-1997. Which I regard in par with Batman: The Animated Series.

  • X-MEN: B Class What we’ve got here is yet again another successful failure, somewhere between bad and ok, or maybe the Fan-boys love it so much said noise adds up pressure on the mainstream press to agree this is good. But when your bad guy is the only Jew portrayed in a film that doesn’t take time to explain or discern that not all Jews are like Magneto…well, you get low brow trying to be high brow. This viewer has enjoyed all 3 previous incarnations of the mutants, including the deeply flawed 3rd installment and somewhat endured the Wolverine solo movie. My ex girlfriend Alana and I loved all 3 movies, they became our longing geek bond. Therefore I have geek credibility. I make comics, I am witty, I’m one of these Fan-boys therefore my opinion counts in this field. Except, it doesn’t count when I don’t go along with the flow and disagree, I am a mutant geek among these nerds; I am an outcast and I can relate to these characters twice fold. I went to see the midnight showing prior to Friday Nation wide release. The first bad sign was our local theatre was not showing this film in the biggest screen it has, so we endure it on a smaller screen. The movie recreates the beginning scene from the very first X-Men film, Erik Lehnsher (Magneto) being torn away from it’s parents in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. Kevin Bacon’s character Sebastian Shaw is a Nazi War Monger who sees Erik can bend metal, he forces Erik to move a coin, if Erik does not Erik’s mother gets shot in front of him. Erik does not moves the coin and the mother character is killed without much emotion, and the audience began to laugh at he horrible acting the child actor performs. Yes, this scene was shown Nation Wide, and the Director did not cut away from this horrible acting, therefore rendering the audience into laughter. I knew we were in trouble, specially when a Nazi coin flips around and becomes the emblem of The X-Men. Because Erik was never an official X-Men, and he’s the bad guy of the picture, this allegory does not work at all. They imitated the Smiley Face motif from Watchmen, and made into bad iconography here. The character of young Charles Xavier is iconic, and here he is shown as a witty womanizing young chap who utters the word “groovy” incoherently as to give us a sense this is the 1960s and he’s Austin Powers. But like horrible written dramas, he is either bipolar or a spas because whenever the situation gets serious he becomes serious, sometimes within 10 seconds of cracking a dumb joke no intellectual professor of Mutations in Britain would ever utter. He’s basically George W. Bush, he’s the guy you want to have a beer with, but he’s also the decider, and also think’s he’s smarter than you. Not quite in this film for he simply reads your mind. Patrick Stewart previous incarnation in the first X-Men acted as though Charles Xavier was an intellectual, rarely using his mutant powers to read people’s minds, often preferring to playing Chess without reading the opponent‘s mind. Here, James McAvoy characterization’s could have easily cheated in every test, read every professor’s mind for answers, and shown as a weak example of the character we love in the comics. And here is where the rush begins, we’re introduced to so many characters with so many gags to appease the audience with laughter and that wow-factor, except later on we the audience wonder “Hey wait a minute, that last gag could have been done in this instance to prevent this thing or that other character could have…oh wait I just missed another gag, dang it”. Mistique, she is Xavier’s adopted sister since child hood, she is a blue skin mutant who can morph into other people or mutants yet she has a “default human form” which in the other movies was played by the Rebecca Romin nowhere in the film is explained why or who this human default is. Mistique develops a crush on Hank McCoy who is another mutant who longs to be normal, but like all crappy movie clichés both of them instantly like each other without delving too much into it, all this is done so that Magneto can utter simple lines at Mistique and make her forget her brother’s teachings and her own dedication in life. Yes, in the 1960s, a pseudo feminist needs Magneto to tell her she’s beautiful as blue without having to morph into a normal human. Let me write that again, in the 1960s…even young writers with a fair glimpse of Wikipedia of this decade could have avoided this huge character flaw. There is also an African-American mutant here, but nowhere is he part of the Original First Class that was published in the original comics. He was created in 2002, part of the “missing X-Men”, basically a shoe-in character to show they did have African-American Mutants, they were just missing back in the original publications of the 60s. Actually in the first issue, published in 1963, all the original X-Men were white. Kevin Bacon’s bad guy character makes a snipe comment about “being a slave” while looking right at Darwin. Kevin Bacon’s breakthrough character after Footloose was a Racist Southerner in Oliver Stone’s JFK Biopic, clearly a great actor, one assumes he made that acting choice to clearly try to portray some authenticity to this “Script” and the times it represents. And as the token African-American in other movies, the character of Darwin dies first. More Rush time Characters Galore. We’re introduced to a red version of Night-Crawler called Azazel-No background given. Us Fan boys know Mistique is Night-Crawler’s mother and we assume Azazel is the father based on mutant abilities being the same. We’re introduced at a Emma Frost who can turn into diamonds and can read minds-No background given. We’re introduced to a male version of Storm called Riptide-No background given. We’re introduced to Alex Summers-No background given. Us Fan boys know he’s related Scott Summers (Cyclops) simply because they share the same last name and have something to do with Lasers. We’re introduced to Banshee-No background given. Angel Salvatore is an African-American stripper who has wings disguised as tattoos-No background given. Oh yeah, and there is this guy smoking a cigar who looks like Hugh Jackman who makes a cameo, he however doesn’t even get his name called - Wolverine. This cameo was the highlight of the film. So what’s the plot you ask? In one weak scene Charles Xavier extracts a memory from Emma Frost, it is revealed Kevin Bacon’s character Sebastian Shaw wants to start a nuclear war between Communist Russia and the United States of America so that the radiation that kills off the humans gives birth to the mutant race all over the world. Ok. So Radiation is to blame for mutation in this Universe of Mutants, and Charles Xavier is a professor in Mutation Biology and he doesn’t know this particular information regarding what causes the Mutation. Nice going Professor. So what do the human characters do in this film? They get in the way of character development. Oliver Platt plays “Man in Black Suit” and he’s easily disposed off. Rose Byrne plays Moira McTaggert, an FBI agent that witnesses a mutant attack on a military man and quickly recruits Charles. He flirts with her. But between the beginning 25 min and the last 15 minutes in the film, these two characters do not bond at all to justify the horrible ending which I will not spoil. Actually, Charles and Erik spend the most screen time together and it’s a shame no good dialogue about their conflict of ideologies is given to us. Small snippets is what we‘re given. I remember us Fan boys would compare these two characters to Malcolm x and Martin Luther King in terms of “by any means necessary” and “a peaceful solution” views. This great monumental battle of intellect between the two of them is teased but never fully delivered. The first X-Men Trilogy had more of this high caliber dialogue, and that’s when these two were established enemies. Here, with two big icons of comics still being friends, Professor X and Magneto are treated with snippets of dialogue and thus the whole opportunity is wasted. The best character around is definitely Erik Lehnsher Magneto. I told my friend it was a pity the film X-Men Origins: Magneto never went into production due to X-Men Origins: Wolverine performing poorly and being reviewed poorly as well. However, I learned most of the script from Origins: Magneto was the basis for this film. Which makes the most sense because he is the most developed character in this script while the addition of the others simply don’t do much for the plot or cohesive narrative of the film. It took four writers to come up with this script. Four. None of which could replace the awful late 1990s witty remarks into 1960s slang, nor could actually provide us with a necessary (yet B-movie) style of ‘meet the characters’ scene as to give the other mutants a background and somewhat of dept. Heck, I’d take one of those scenes where they just have Manila Envelopes with typed biographies of these side characters, or 1960s music injected into random scenes. I once saw a cheesy Chinese Karate movie, that depicted all Japanese as Rapist Samurai Raiders, and an Anglo traveling Christian who was caring a cross on his back and would use it to fight off bad guys. Yes, this was pretty silly and horribly inaccurate in every level, but I enjoyed it as I enjoyed this film: without thinking too much about their ‘basic Google search 101 attempting of being deep’ and enjoying the silliness action of it all. Better than X-Men: Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Not as great as X-Men and X-Men 2: X-Men United. If you want a great X-Men experience, go watch the X-Men TV Series that aired on Fox Kids between 1992-1997. Which I regard in par with Batman: The Animated Series.

  • June 6, 2011, 4:01 a.m. CST

    Xavier * (Previous post)

    by Zurge

    auto correct is my enemy

  • June 6, 2011, 4:28 a.m. CST

    What, we're supposed to be grateful - as "fans"?

    by drwilliamweir

    Some of you are really confused as to what this website is. It's for fans of MOVIES. Not fans of comic books. True, the line blurs depending on whether you like comic books or not, but given this is a site based on the CRITIQUE OF MOVIES then you're gonna get talkbackers CRITIQUING MOVIES THAT THEY HAVE SEEN and giving reactions to trailers that are posted. First Class just about works as a fun action film riddled with inconsistencies. I'm sure some of you are wanking yourselves into oblivion about a ginger kid that can fly, but in all honesty most of us probably don't give a flying fuck. GREAT! I congratulate you that you can get off on that shit, but as a movie fan seeing that kid plastered onto the sky like some grade-school collage means pretty much fuck all when all the buildup towards said action leads to honest disappointment. For myself, at least. Rushing to help out it's demise? As wolvie says - Fuck off. There's always a horrible consistency on internet forums for everything to be black and white, not shades of grey. That shit needs to stop. Good criticism isn't "it's shit" or "it's amazing" or "you should consider yourselves lucky" - I think you'll find many of FC's critics want to see it do better, rather than anything else, and for a sequel, if any, to build on the goodwill and BEST parts of what made it work. So ner.

  • June 6, 2011, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Yeah it's alright.

    by hallmitchell

    It didn't really blow me away. It's directed well, acted well. It's just missing something.

  • June 6, 2011, 8:35 a.m. CST

    So Stripper-Angel was in the comics. So what? She still sucks. (nt)

    by Triple_J_72

  • June 6, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    by Jake Pantlin

    The whole X-3, Wolverine not being cannon ---- "fuck off" Singer! You pulled that same shit on us with Superman by saying that 3 and 4 were not cannon, and that Superman Returns was really the sequel to Superman 2. No it wasn't! I fucking hate when arrogant Directors try to rewrite history. X3 was not a great film, but it wasn't bad either. I wouldn't mind seeing it get a Director's cut. Wolverine could use a new cut and fixed up FX too. But don't tell me that they are not cannon, just because you were not involved Singer. That is horseshit. It just pisses people off. The sequels were not great, but they still happened. A good Director would find a way to work around it without trying to wipe it out. X-Men: First Class was awesome! Moving on... ...To all you bitches whining about the fact the X-Men: First Class has made less than X3 and Wolverine so far in it's openning weekend. So what? Batman Begins made less than the other Batman films on it's opening too. It only made 5 million more than Singer's Superman Returns. But word of mouth was great, and the sequel made more than double. So just shut up about the amount it has made in the first 3 days. It means nothing about the quality of the film. If you are going to start judging movies by the amount of money they made, then go jerk off Transformers 2 again.

  • June 6, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST

    X-Men First Clas was Awesome! That said, Singer needs to lighten up!

    by Jake Pantlin

    The whole X-3, Wolverine not being cannon ---- "fuck off" Singer! You pulled that same shit on us with Superman by saying that 3 and 4 were not cannon, and that Superman Returns was really the sequel to Superman 2. No it wasn't! I fucking hate when arrogant Directors try to rewrite history. X3 was not a great film, but it wasn't bad either. I wouldn't mind seeing it get a Director's cut. Wolverine could use a new cut and fixed up FX too. But don't tell me that they are not cannon, just because you were not involved Singer. That is horseshit. It just pisses people off. The sequels were not great, but they still happened. A good Director would find a way to work around it without trying to wipe it out. X-Men: First Class was awesome! Moving on... ...To all you bitches whining about the fact the X-Men: First Class has made less than X3 and Wolverine so far in it's openning weekend. So what? Batman Begins made less than the other Batman films on it's opening too. It only made 5 million more than Singer's Superman Returns. But word of mouth was great, and the sequel made more than double. So just shut up about the amount it has made in the first 3 days. It means nothing about the quality of the film. If you are going to start judging movies by the amount of money they made, then go jerk off Transformers 2 again.

  • June 6, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Emma was incredibly LAME

    by Jason Hernandez

    They could have done without her character ENTIRELY. She added nothing to the movie other than really bad character inconsistency. Call her diamond form shitty in Wolverine, but at least it DID something. It deflected bullets. In this movie it appears that even BRASS from a bed can shatter her "diamond" skin. I mean come on! That was just utter crap.

  • June 6, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST

    For the nitwits that say only fanboys liked this...

    by Shermdawg

  • 87% tomato meter (166/24) 88% audience (41,610 ratings)

  • June 6, 2011, 11:43 a.m. CST

    "My Family has no last name"

    by ganymede3010

    It was taken from them by "pig-farmers and tailor's"

  • June 6, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Even if you hated the movie

    by leo54304

    And it does deserve the criticism as mentioned in previous posts you have to admit that the roles of Magneto and Xavier certainly brought a higher public profile for the two actors and positive reviews they have received universally for their work will result in them getting more roles for us to enjoy seeing them in.

  • June 6, 2011, noon CST

    Bomb?

    by AdorableAssHat

    160 mil budget, 56 mil opening weekend domestic, a movie with no known stars. Good thing you're not an accountant.

  • June 6, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I keep forgetting

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Some of the talkbackers suffer from adolescent onset of SIDS. At least from the neck up. 1. The plot is as seamless as a comic movie plot gets. Former Nazi finds he has Mutant Powers -- decides there's a new Master Race beyond Aryan. Figures that the key to this new Master Race is radiation -- and figures the best way to take control with the new master race is to make two of his most HATED enemies (the Soviets and the Americans) kill each other, through thermonuclear war, is a perfect plan. Enter the United States Central Intelligence Agency - Good old police work, and they fail to stop Shaw from influencing American nuclear policy and witness mutant powers for the first time. So they attempt to get the foremost expert on mutant powers to help them (not knowing that the guy has powers as well). United States thinks its just a Soviet plot -- until they find out about Sebastian Shaw -- and develop their own team of powered mutants. (With the help of Charles Xavier and Erik Lensherr -- older mutants who know how to use their powers). The two teams clash. Denouement. It's practically Syd Fieldian in its simplicity. Oh, but it does require your audience to have a fifth grade education -- to know that the Nazis hate the United States and Russia -- to understand the driving motivator of the villain. For it to make sense, you need to have a concept of world politics from the time period it's set in. I know, there's no nu-metal score, giant robots humping pyramids, or car chases, kids, but this is a really solid superhero movie. Oh, and anyone saying Thor is better, you need to look again at Thor. Thor is a great Thor movie, is a great comic movie, but isn't as elegant or tightly written as this. It has shades of greatness, but take the scene with Thor and Odin and try to match it up against Magneto with the Swiss Banker. The camera work alone tells more of a story than the whole of Thor. Haters gonna hate, though. I ain't rising to it. Just saying, don't be a fucking idiot, go see this flick at a matinee if you want, it's good shit. MB

  • June 6, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Wildcard Comics -- The 90s X-Men cartoon is classic?

    by micturatingbenjamin

    No offense, but you're clearly demented. The cartoon that spawned the 'I'm Juggernaut, Bitch' for its shitty stories, shitty animation, and shitty showrunning? That's the classic? It's as good as Batman? Thank God you decided to add that little tid-shit to your 'review'. You and Nordling, at least you put all the cards on the table: You like Jubilee, Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops -- I get it. You also like fucking cartoons. Shitty 90s cartoons designed to sell you toys. So, your opinion on this, is worth less than a turd's opinion about brands of corn. While you may be knowledgeable about the subject, I don't think I'll take your opinion seriously. Nor should anyone take anyone's opinion about this seriously. I'm just saying, you need to leave out facts like 'I loved the X-Men 90s cartoon'. If your opinion is going to carry weight. That cartoon sucked. This movie doesn't suck.

  • June 6, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Will Weir

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Uh, it's called suspension of disbelief. Who the fuck cares if in real life people can't fly? It's a superhero movie. Based on a comic, where screaming at the Earth's surface means you can fly. Don't tell anyone, 'Doctor', but shit like that's impossible. So's the scene in French Connection where Popeye hits that fucking pylon and doesn't die? Or when Dustin Hoffman gets his tooth drilled by a Nazi? So's the part in Wizard of Oz right after the tornado? Who the fuck told anyone to hold escapist fantasy to some arbitrary level of verisimilitude? You do that, and you're just pulling your pud. MB

  • Great ensemble cast followed by impressive performances especially from Fassbender, Macavoy and Bacon. First class definately delivered and the cameo by you-know-who was one of the more memorable scenes throughout the movie. One dissapointing caveat, there's no post credit scenes or surprises afterwards. I thought it was ironic since X-3 was the first Marvel film that started this tradition. No Cameo from Stan Lee as well, but he's got more than his share of noteriety and residuals. But I was also expecting those special acknowledgemetns during the credits that serves as a shout-out to the other contributors like Dave Cockrum, Len Wein, Chris Clairemont and Micheal Golden the man responsible for Mystique (and a brilliant artist, not to mention.) Overall, a very enjoyable film worthy of the Marvel Movie legacy. And Singer, has redeemed himself with First Class. A very good film which proves you don't need fucking 3D to enjoy it. X-celsior!

  • The 2 parter in Superman (Apokolips now) beats out anything I have seen in X-Men (cartoon) and bringing Morph back from the "dead" was a major copout. The fuckers can't even kill off some generic character shows that the series was stale (art,story and scenarios) and lacked any emotional trigger and especially pathos. The last episode ended on a good note as prof X is forced to leave earth and his "children" but that withstanding, it came off like some ABC afterschool special movie. Sowwies but X-Men was the least interesting of the comic based animated series. (Not as lame as 94's Fantastic Four and Iron Man but doesnt hold a candle to Spawn or the aforementioned DC Series helmed by bruce timm.) I'll put my JLU against your X-Men anyday, and guess which series would be most praised? brutally honest review of First Class BTW. I may not agree on everything you have writted regarding the film, but it was an interesting read.

  • June 6, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    i loved it

    by smudgewhat

    and i admit that at times it crossed over into surprising full-on geekitude, but magneto & X were so much fun to watch.

  • ...meaning that the Black Guy does not make it near the end of the Movie. (ouch! lol) RIP Darwin Where's Yourstepdaddy/Ahole Rameirez or Glodene to comment on this "trend"? Dammit!

  • June 6, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Best film I've seen all year

    by prince_fufu

    This movie surprised me. I really think it is one of the best superhero movies I've ever seen, and I wasn't expecting it to be. Way better than the other xmen movies, and I liked them.

  • June 6, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Vaughn or no, X3 would've sucked due to the script.

    by OgieOglethorpe

    NO director could've pulled that script into a worthy follow-up to X2. Combining the "cure" story with the "Phoenix" story was fatally flawed from the start, guaranteed to short-sell both.

  • June 6, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    I thought First Class was Seriously Good.

    by OgieOglethorpe

    Great casting.. very good writing in most parts, great story. Much like X1, it's a fantastic starting place for Fox to continue on from. Let's hope they don't fuck it all up again.

  • June 6, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    lflorence

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Actually Magneto and Shaw were in the same room together. Back in the #200's when Magneto was temporarily good and was leading the new mutants he also became a member of the Hellfire Club for Mutant unity.

  • Move Over, Magneto. The Real 'X-Men' Villain Is... Brett Ratner? By Scott Harris | June 6, 2011 | Comments 20th Century Fox Fans and critics alike are over the moon for "X-Men: First Class," which not only earned the top spot a the box office this weekend but also pulled overwhelmingly positive reviews across the board as well as verbal bouquets from an enamored fanboy population. But now it turns out there's at least one person who doesn't think much of "X-Men: First Class:" Brett Ratner. As Pajiba is reporting, the director of "X-Men: Last Stand" has pulled a jerky move by sending out a series of tweets comparing the opening weekend box office of his film ($102 million) to the opening box office of director Matthew Vaughn's new effort ($56 million). And you thought Magento and Professor X had issues. Ratner, of course, doesn't just burn bridges, he nukes them, so this behavior is nothing if not expected. And it's hardly the first time Ratner has set his sights on a fellow X-director, having previously torched "X-Men" and "X-2's" Bryan Singer by saying among other things that, "Mine was the one that made the most narrative sense. And I'm not knocking Bryan's movie but he just does a certain thing; Bryan uses his brain and I use my eye and my instincts more." Few have accused Ratner of using his brain when filming the widely panned "X-Men: Last Stand," but this current dust-up is a little more complex than it first seems. As indieWire points out, Vaughn was originally scheduled to direct "X-Men: Last Stand" instead of Ratner before dropping out due to scheduling issues. And Vaughn wasn't exactly thrilled with Ratner's take on "X-Men: Last Stand," telling the media that "I could have made something a hundred times better than the film that was eventually made. It sounds arrogant, but I could have done something with far more emotion and heart." That wasn't very nice either, but based on the evidence "X-Men: First Class" has now given us, chances are he's right. And as for the box office take, well, chances are the franchise wouldn't have had to be rebooted if people hadn't hated Ratner's version so much, a fact that has most pundits laying the blame for "First Class's" lower box office take on Ratner rather than Vaughn. All of which just has us hoping that when it comes time to film the next "X-Men" movie, they actually film these confrontations. Because so far, nothing on screen has been able to match the intensity of the battles offscreen. http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/brett-ratner-x-men/

  • June 6, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Sabertooth is actually not Wolverine's Brother

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    It was revealeed that he was for awile, but then later it was revealed that relation was one of the many memory implants that was given to both Wolverine and Sabertooth.

  • June 6, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    What a great film!!! Kubrick & Bond homages, Awesome!!

    by picardsucks

    Great movie. What a film maker Matt Vaughn is with the right material!! I was disappointed wi Stardust and I feared he might not have the chops to handle super hero stuff, then came Kickass and I knew he could do this. I must admit I hated the original 3 X-men films. I never understood the love for the second one and I always thought the Bret Ratner was no better or worse than the other two (and I loath Bret Ratner)I thought thet got Magneto and Xavier mostly right but all the other characters tragically wrong. Including a 6 ft’ 2″ pretty boy Wolverine. This film was one of my favorite super hero movie experiences yet. Every role was so amazingly well done. (Especially McCvoy and Fassbender!) The setting was gorgeous! To pull this off in the early swingin 60′s and make it feel authentic and not hokey is a triumph in it’s own. The War room scenes reminded me of updated reshot color Stranglelove scenes. I am sure that was not lost on Vaughn either It dawned on me while watching this that Fassbender should indeed be the new Bond and they must have it set during the Connery 60′s era. The Playboy(like) Club atmosphere, The glitz and schmaltz. Vaughn and his cinemetographer nailed it all. Vaughn could do Bond in the 60's fighting god damn Commies!!!! As hollywood is far too politically correct and pussified to have Bond actually battle radical Muslim terrorists or act like Bond should act with Chicks. Having Bond where he should be, the 60′s, would provide endless cool cold-war scenarios and Bond could be the chauvanist and ladykiller he is supposed to be. Fassbender walking into the bank and then the bar reminded me of the icey cool (but Suave-something Craig and most other Bond’s besides Lazenby and Moore never had) When he was in his wetsuit along the dock it was almost a shot for shot of Bond in Goldfinger. Vaughn nailed it and Fassbender IS BOND Terrific film. 4 stars and a slice of Geno’s East pizza Both Vaughn and Fassbender must be the next era of Bond, set in the 60′s. MUST MUST MUST HAPPEN!!!! NO FUCKING MORE CONTEMPORARY BOND BATTLING EVIL GREY HAIRED WHITE BUSINESSMEN!!! And the nifty cameo of Wolverine was to me the best Jackman -Wolvie scene ever filmed. Too bad you never saw that precise attitude in any of the other films

  • June 6, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Stan's Statue

    by deelzbub

    You know, even though they hadn't scheduled a cameo for Stan Lee in First Class, how easy would it have been to have the statue that Havok blasted in half look like Stan the man? It would have been pretty easy and a nice tip o' the hat.

  • June 6, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Magneto hunting nazi's in a postwar world

    by leo54304

    Posted the idea before but I'd love to see magneto hunting nazi's as he's learning to use his powers. And at the end of the movie, he discovers a lost cache of nazi gold that the main villain stole out of germany which he then uses to fund his vendetta first against the nazis and later his war on the human race. Plus, if Daniel Craig ever gets the boot as Bond, Fassbender has to be one to replace him.

  • June 6, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Banshee wasn't Ron Weasly. I'm pretty sure he wasn't

    by The Founder

  • I tried to enjoy FC but the inconsistencies was too numerous for me to ignore. I couldn't. It was an enjoyable film but and I'll say it over and over, it was an awful Xmen movie.

  • June 6, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Absolutely The Best X-Men Movie

    by ChiTownsBest

    If this had been the first X-Men movie it would have been even better. Too bad the others exist because I couldn't stop thinking about the timeline. Matthew Vaughn is the real deal and really knows how to make an entertaining film.

  • June 6, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Darwin

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    I doubt that he's really dead. In Deadly Genesis when Krakoa detroyed the team he evolved himself and Vulcan (the 3rd Summers kid) into space rock or something like that. M-Day was what freed them.

  • June 6, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Movie Shaw = Comicbook Mr. Sinister

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    I believe that in the comics that Mr. Sinister was in the Nazi Concetration camps doing gene tests and studies. Erik/Magneto missed being tested on and found out because he ended up working in the furnice area where they burned the dead bodies.

  • June 6, 2011, 7:48 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by The Founder

    Don't mention that hack Singer. I do not like this man's involvement in the X films. I cringed when he was mentioned to be back at the helm in some capacity. I ding it funny no mention of the civil rights movement but Singer managed to throw in a gay oppression reference with the whole "mutant and proud" that Mystique shouted a few times. Singer isn't a bad director he's just not a good director for these type of films. He ruined Superman, which also was a beautifully shot film by the way. As for Ratner he is a capable director. If has a good script to work with the movie will turn out fine. X3 problems was the script from the beginning. Ratner didn't come in and stink up the script. That was already done before he came on board.

  • Give me a break. Fox is the culprit more then anyone and Marvel is second for whoring the rites out and not keeping creative say. XMFC failed somewhat because it didn't stick to the source material and shoehorned in mutants that had no business being in that era. A lack of real X presence also hurt the film . No Storm, Cyke, Rogue, Jean Nd Wolverine helped . Also the angry fan boys refusing to give fox their money and spreading that to friends and family.

  • June 6, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Green Latern is gonna kill

    by The Founder

  • June 6, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    This movie was PHENOMENAL

    by InsertWittyUserName

    This movie wasn't BAD it was just FRUSTRATING. I put aside the continuity issues and looked solely at the movie alone. The effects work was shoddy as hell! The story had gaps like no other. There was no character development other than Magneto and Charles. And...why was Moira so into Charles at the end? I have no idea. The wire work was just as good as X-3 though! (well...I guess it wasn't that great huh?) And Matthew Vaughn's typically kinetic energy in direction was just MISSING here for some reason. Did he stop caring too? There are CLEAR CLEAR flaws in this film, anyone with a degree, anyone that has seen a good movie, hell, anyone that has seen a mediocre action movie with awesome effects can tell you. Which is why i'm seriously confused as to why so many people are over the moon with this film? If a film has this many flaws it CANNOT be that great. I don't get it... I think I've got to agree with a poster above talking about how all of the major critics form the same opinion about a film. Maybe they have some secret affiliation with fox. haha (i'm obviously kidding, i'm not that crazy) But seriously...the movie wasn't HORRIBLE- it was just...not that great at all. it was a loud resounding dose of...meh.

  • June 6, 2011, 9:28 p.m. CST

    and also...

    by InsertWittyUserName

    some critics are claiming "serious fanboys" aren't happy because of the absence of wolverine.... NO!!! we weren't happy because first class isn't the first class... please don't let them think wolverine has to be in a movie for it to sell. NEXT time don't RUSH the effing thing with SHODDY effects. why does every x-film have to be rushed? all of the x-films clearly look VISUALLY cheap compared to other hollywood comic book adaptations...this is nothing new. Fox- seriously, step up your game or let someone else do it.

  • June 6, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Saw it today...

    by SA_Rhyno

    ...and found it an incredibly entertaining movie. Funny, good action, nice backstory. I can't wait for a sequel.

  • June 6, 2011, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry...

    by shawn_h

    do you like to burp and fart in people's mouths?

  • He was the Duran Duran to Kevin Bacon's "Ralph Lauren" approach to Sebastian Shaw.

  • June 7, 2011, 12:41 a.m. CST

    I for one, am X-static about X-Men:First Class!

    by Zardoz

    It's James Bond meets Marvel-ous mutants in a smart, fun, sexy, exciting and explosive cocktail that's both shaken AND stirred to perfection! I liked it so much that I almost hope they don't make a sequel to it for fear that the sequel will not come close to the level of perfection achieved in this one. (I said almost! Bring on the 70's and the 80's and the 90's X-Men teams!) Fassbender has just entered the A-list with this film. Seriously! His Magneto is fucking Connery-style James Bond meets Batman meets Wolverine! The guy is gonna be huge. Everyone else was great, (well, except January "I don't know how to emote, but I don't have to when I look this fucking hot!" Jones) but Fassbender really steals the show, much as Hugh Jackman did in Wolverine 11 years ago. (11 years? Really? Holy shit!) I'm definitely seeing this movie a second time, (and third!) and X-Men: First Class has just become the superhero movie to beat this Summer!

  • Star Wars just got cool again! I think I need to check my underwear! The Sith has really hit the fan now! I don’t have a really bad feeling about this! A Jedi craves not these things… But I do! Badass! I can’t wait! Can we get a movie of this now? Okay, how about now? Now...? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMvXTVwidvQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBHAHJrXcTE&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3EywHA-8w&feature=player_embedded

  • June 7, 2011, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Fuck yeah.

    by DarkSeider

    Hey you directors/producers of Wolverine origins, go watch this movie, bring a pen and a notepad and take notes, this is how it's done you fuckwads. Maybe there's hope for the Xmen franchise after all.

  • June 7, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST

    To Zardos ToR trailer.

    by DarkSeider

    Yeah that is a beautiful trailer, have you seen the actual gameplay footage though? the graphics on the game look like they're 6 years old. We all know Bioware can make a kick ass, well written game, with top notch voice overs and acting, but I just can't stomach that shitty engine they're using for their game. The animations look so choppy, the combat reminds me of Everquest 1 with you standing in front of a monster repeating the same animation over and over. All the voice acting NPCs in the world can't make up for that.

  • June 7, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST

    The 90s X-Men Cartoon Is Fairly Classic, No?

    by Autodidact

    It had a lot of problems but I felt like they really delivered a large chunk of the X-Men universe and more importantly kept it fairly serious and didn't add any kiddie elements aside from Jubilee.

  • June 7, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST

    X-MEN: First Class is the best of the X-Men films

    by Jake Pantlin

    It really is. I've seen it 3 times now. This was a great new start for the franchise. Erik/Magneto was amazing, and so was Professor X. The whole film rocked. If any film deserves to be a hit, it is this one. It is first class, all the way.

  • June 7, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    darkseider, I was a beta tester for it

    by pw

    It's just as you say. Char creation is terrible and the graphics are not even up to star wars galaxies standard. shame. Nice voice acting though.

  • That was really weird.

  • June 7, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    just watched this movie

    by animas

    and I wasn't really entertained at all even though it was technically produced well. I just didn't give a shit about any character or either side or anything at all about the story. And the score was fucking terrible.

  • June 7, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    The actress who played Mystique....

    by Rhett

    ....is f'ing smokin' hot.

  • June 7, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST

    @stalkeye - I love Superman TAS Apokalips

    by Woodrow_Wilson_Smith

    It was awesome Superman. "The people of Earth aren't like your slaves Darkseid... better a quick death in battle than a slow one under your heel." He's not the wimpy Superman of the Reeves movies. However, I'd stack Wolverine and the X-Men up against the Bruce Timm series (high praise I know). The desperation of the show, as the end of the world closes in and the glorious battle scenes in wide-screen make it worth checking out, even if you aren't an X-Men fan.

  • June 7, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST

    I hate to admit, but the 3 XMEN films sucked ass

    by BILLY

    Yes, there were moments I appreciated, but overall the films were dull,repetive and lacked memorable fights with good effects. THE NEW X-MEN is simply amazing-FROM TONE to the fight scenes, to the way it pays respect to the X-MEN films we've seen-but is it'sown thing.I could go on, but this film was made by a craftsman. Matthew Vaughn is the MASTER of casting in the X-MEN world. Half-way through I wondered what Vaughn would've done with Superman.And if Snyder drops the ball on it, I say the execs go to Vaughn. It takes BALLS to make an X-MEN film set in the 40's-60's, featuring the creation of the X-MEN, and fighting the HELLFIRE club. Absolute balls.And you know what, as a fan, who read, and owns some of the those X-MEN issues...appreciates the shit out of it.

  • but with the exception of Mystique and Beast, all the other jr. x-men recruits were lame and had no personality. Havoc, Banshee, Angel, and Darwin were all basically Smallville freak of the week rejects. they acted as if they were in the 2000's when it was set in the 60's. and no Scottish accent for MacTaggart? and Damon Lindelof was right, January Jones's acting sucks!! other than that, the movie was spot on.

  • June 7, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST

    AWFUL movie

    by Chris Stewart

    Am I the only one who thinks this was bad? I'm a major X-Men fan, but I'm not anal. I'm all for taking liberties with the characters for the sake of the big screen, but they can't even stay consistent within their own line of movies. And they just copy the names of the comic book characters & paste them on to completely unrelated characters. Namely Moira. Apparently she gained a Scottish accent & a doctoral degree between this & X3. And she remembered her relationship with Charles despite her mind being wiped at the end. And this movie was awful just as a movie. Reboot & fuckin' commit!

  • X3 and Wolverine no longer exist.

  • June 7, 2011, 11:42 p.m. CST

    I can admit when I'm wrong - that movie was fucking great

    by Rex Carsalot

  • June 8, 2011, 6:55 a.m. CST

    it may not be the X-Men I grew up with ...

    by HongKongCavalier

    ... but it is by far the best of the 5 movies. *** SPOILER *** The one inconsistent & "WTF" moment was Mystique taking Shaw's form in order to distract Azazel ... how the Hell did she have on the Magneto Helmet?? Outside of The Hellfire Club, only Magneto had seen it. Small point, and not enough to make me dislike the film. Gotta love one aspect of the "back in time" perspective: they brought back the "Black guy dies first" cliche Absolutely hated the stripper's character. I mean, "Spit As A Weapon" has already been done in "Sky High" ... and she can fly AND kill/destroy with spit, yet she wears clear heels and rides a pole for a living? yeah ... okay ... gtfo ... now Anyway, decent film made better by Fassbender and better than the other 4 X-Men movies. ps: I kinda get the love for X-2 ... it's like that Eddie Murphy bit where the starving dude gets a cracker and, because he's starving, insists the cracker can't just be a cracker; it must be a Ritz! In other words, X-1 was so frickin' SyFy Channel-ish and X-3 was so amazingly stupid and Wolverine was just a clusterfuck ... by default X-2 was the Ritz Cracker of the X-Men Franchise ... but First Class is better overall pps: January Jones is the female Keanu Reeves ... sho' nuff

  • June 8, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    i liked it, but the kids were too modern...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    they looked and acted like modern 21st century kids - like youd see in any other movie - not like kids from 1962, silver age comics kids - i think this shouldve been a magneto movie - his part of the movie was the best - his nazi hunting alone wouldve made a great movie - james bond with a mean streak and magneto powers

  • June 8, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST

    prof x tells wolverine in the first movie that...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    he met erik/magneto when he was 17 - he was older in this one

  • June 8, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Great movie.

    by knowthyself

    It was all about the characters and not the special effects. Michael Fassbender is going to be huge. Hugh Jackman huge.

  • June 8, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST

    best line in the movie:

    by thesmilingpsycho

    prof x: they're just taking orders! magneto: i've been at the mercy of men just taking orders.. never again. pwned

  • June 8, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    hongkongcavalier

    by thesmilingpsycho

    i thought that too, but they saw shaw with the helmet when he busted into the cia base.

  • June 8, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    First Class should just start a new set of movies...

    by Andrew Coleman

    X3 and Origins are in another universe in my opinion. While this sets up X1 and 2. They frankly should reboot X-Men 3 and do Phoenix right. They could easily have films in between. The next film could have The Living Monolith(Could change his name) and have him kidnap Havok like in the comics. Then this group of X-Men would need Erik for help. Or set up the beginning of the Brotherhood. Have the story line follow Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch who join their father Magneto. At the end they figure out they are good and break away from him and the brotherhood. Then they could even have their own movie series. So many options. Or have Kevin Bacon return as Mr. Sinister. Or have Vanisher show up an threaten not just the human world but mutant one too. So the Brotherhood and the X-Men team up. So many options... Just contact me I could write these scripts haha. They could also even do the Sentinels. Sure the history would be messed up and the idea of giant robots walking around in the 70's might bug people but I think it could work. If people can buy mutants lifting subs from the ocean... They'll buy giant robots hunting them down.

  • June 8, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    A winer for Vaughan? Not BO wise

    by The Founder

  • June 8, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Giant robots walking around in the 70s...

    by Traveler 27

    the only thing better than that might be giant robots walking around in the 80s.

  • June 8, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Fassbender

    by Baryonyx

    He is just so fucking good in this movie. I just want to see a Magneto movie now, where he hunts down & kills scumbags.

  • ghtrytryt

  • June 9, 2011, 12:19 a.m. CST

    xmen fc > dark knight

    by Ganzeric

    man it was awesome to see marvel characters in silver age setting. how awesome would 1960's set spiderman be???? www.dailybullseye.com

  • June 9, 2011, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Thoughts - film/Banshee/X3 (spoilers)

    by BlaGyver

    I dug it. I thought it took a little bit too long to really get going but once it did it was fantastic. Plus I completely forgot about it taking a while to get going during the finale, which was absolutely stellar. One of the most intense third acts of recent memory. Now I may be alone on this, but I went in knowing that they were planning this as the first part of a trilogy. So I was actually surprised at all the shit that happened in the end. Between Magneto going bad and Charles getting crippled...damn. I'm not one to use extremes on this site, but if you didn't find "....I can't feel my legs. I can't feel my legs. I can't feel my legs." absolutely fucking chilling, you probably either suck or have no soul. If they had ended the movie on that note, we would have had an Empire Strikes Back of an ending that woulda just gone down in history (in my opinion). Banshee was also my favorite. Honestly, I can't place my finger on why. The actor was perfectly competent, he wasn't given a larger amount of development...but fuck, he was cool. And the flying special effect over the ocean....I'm prone to hyperbole, but really, that was breathtaking. It was this perfect combination of blockbuster special effects work that just looked cool and fantastic direction. I just...I felt the thrill of that moment in what I'm assuming is the way that Vaughn wanted the character to. Finally, X3....here's the thing. It's an okay movie. It's not the worst movie ever made, it's far from the best. It's perfectly watchable under a certain condition: you cannot watch it within two weeks of watching the first two. The biggest problem with the movie isn't what it IS, it's what it COULD have been. So much potential for a stellar finale...and it's just okay. Again though, perfectly watchable. I personally like Kelsey Grammar as Beast. And even though he's barely in the movies, I'm a huge Colossus fan, and it's fun seeing the fastball special.

  • June 9, 2011, 12:38 a.m. CST

    This movie also is one of the first ever

    by BlaGyver

    that didn't leave me thinking as I exited the theatre "You know....I feel like it needed more January Jones in her underwear." I find myself thinking this quite often.

  • June 9, 2011, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Just saw this movie

    by redkamel

    and it was a fucking stinker. Me and my friend were laughing the whole time. Prepare to see why it sucked (spoilers) 1. Meaningless talk about mutations and race that could have been handled a little mores subtly and less-obviously. 2. The CGI was unfinished it looked like. Emma Frost didn't have enough facets and the submarine, anchor battle etc etc looked fake. 3. You would think Azazel and "Tornando Man" would die, since they have no lines are basic henchmen. Instead they live and even play a part at the end. There is no insight into their characters or why they make any decisions. 4. Besides Mystique, Beast, Prof X, and Magneto, none of the main charachters seem to have any motivation behind their decisions. 5. The plot is often moved forward abruptly, in short sentences. e.g. Shaw explaining his plan like 3 times, the US meeting where, they decided that "if that ship crosses the line...launch all the nuclear missiles", and everyone raises their hand. Wow thats a lot of thought behind WWIII. 6. Banshee had this weird ass lisp 7. Collecting mutants scene was stupid...just round up a few and make a team I guess, we take all comers! 8. Was Havok supposed to be acting like he was super awkward? 9. Why is Michael Ironside in this? 10. Who the fuck is Darwin and Buttefly girl? never heard of those mutants. Why would having Butterfly wings let you spit fireballs? And why can't Darwin adapt to energy? 11. Shaw spend about 20 minutes souping himself up. OH SHIT theres going to be a big battle! No, the final battle consists of him being frozen in after a 5 minute conversation. 12. Beast brought out peals of laughter when he showed up. WTF, did they just get the Harry and the Hendersons suit? If ever a case called for a CGI character and not makeup, its a super ripped gorilla man thats also supposed to look a smart human. And his teeth prosthetics WERE TERRIBLE. 13. This movie had the worst script. The final battle lines in the ships were hilarious 14. By the end of the movie, Magneto was looking like a half logical, sensible person with actually justified motivation. Professor X was just a douche that seemed ok with letting people try to fucking kill/betray him over and over. Apparently its because he is so hung up over this Moira chick (who knew? Zero chemisty or implication of romance until they kiss). Meanwhile, theres hot-ass mutants running around (white queen, Mystique etc etc). What a puss. 15.The Hellfire club is mentioned once. There is no background to them. I don't know who they are. Apparently they just drive submarines and boats, meet with high government officials and trade sex and threats to get missiles placed all over the world. Do they own businesses? Engage in crime? Kill people? Manipulate stocks or organized crime? 16. Its saving grace is Magneto, who is pretty badass. And tornado man was pretty funny. As was seeing someone on the big screen, in all seriousness, call for thermonuclear war without considering any other options at all. Other than that, it sucked. Its like Vaughn took the worst parts of James Bond and combined them with X-men. 17. Professor Xs powers are nonsensical. He can look inside a submarine and see "empty spots"? Not to mention Beast can apparently analyze and recombine DNA to make DNA vaccines in the 1960s, build jets, and build telepath machines. In his 20s? This would be credible if his intelligence or deductive skills were ever shown. Instead shit just appears and someone says "oh, Hank made it." Movie grade: D.

  • June 9, 2011, 1:55 a.m. CST

    blagyver

    by redkamel

    "I can't feel my legs...I can't feel my legs..": thats not chilling, thats cheesy. What would have been chilling is if he walked around for a few steps, saying he was ok, then collapsed in his room. By himself, breaking down, sobbing, and revealing he had made himself walk with his powers because he was afraid to look different and finally identify with the other kids. He tries to walk and fails, and resigns himself to a life in a wheelchair. End of the movie shows him in a hospital bed, looking out a window, and watching everyone else playing, walking, and two lovers holding hands and strolling together. You really think it was appropriate that one of the defining characteristics of a major x-character had 2 minutes of dedicated time in the movie? Banshee: he had a weird lisp, no development, and apparently can ride supersonic waves with one wing. Which makes no sense at all. Oh, and his power is making supersonic screams. But not only can he shoot sonar waves, he can HEAR and understand them as well, just like a dolphin. Why would you add that when you could just have Magento tell you where the fucking submarine was since its made of metal? Or Prof X read the mind of the other sonar operators in the area? Wait, never mind, according to X:FC, if two fleets are meeting for possible battle, no submarine or sonar equipment should be in the area. The Hellfire Club Sub is the only submarine in the world. And Banshee never rode the waves, he would just blast them out then stop for a second and be able to fly. I mean, do people actually watch and pay attention to what the characters say and do in the movie, or do they just lock everything away as a vague concept? "Oh they just said he can make supersonic screams. That means he has power over sound. Next scene."

  • June 9, 2011, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Sorry for all my spelling and grammar mistakes.

    by redkamel

    Its late. I corrected them below. It was a fucking stinker. Me and my friend were laughing the whole time. Prepare to see why it sucked (spoilers)

 1. Meaningless talk about mutations and race that could have been handled a little more subtly. We get it. They are mutants. 

2. The CGI was unfinished. Emma Frost didn't have enough facets and the submarine, anchor battle etc looked fake.

 3. You would think Azazel and "Tornando Man" would die, since they have no lines and are basic henchmen. Instead they live and even play a part at the end. There is no insight into their characters or why they make any decisions. 

4. Besides Mystique, Beast, Prof X, and Magneto, none of the main characters seem to have ANY motivation behind their decisions. 

5. The plot is often moved forward abruptly, in short sentences as if the audience was retarded e.g. Shaw explaining his plan 3 times, the Army meeting where they decide that "if that ship crosses the line...launch all the nuclear missiles", and everyone raises their hand. Wow thats a lot of thought behind WWIII.
 
6. Banshee had this weird ass lisp. 

7. Collecting mutants scene was stupid...just round up a few and make a team I guess, we take all comers!

 8. Was Havok supposed to be acting like he was super awkward?

 9. Why is Michael Ironside in this?

 10. Who the fuck is Darwin and Buttefly girl? never heard of those mutants. Why would having Butterfly wings let you spit fireballs? And why can't Darwin adapt to energy? 

11. Shaw spend about 20 minutes souping himself up. OH SHIT theres going to be a big battle! Maybe he'll age when he uses all his powers, and Magneto will show no mercy and kill a helpless old man. Maybe Shaw wil absorb energy from people! No, the final battle consists of him being frozen after a 5 minute conversation. 

12. Beast brought out peals of laughter when he showed up. WTF, did they just get the Harry and the Hendersons suit? If ever a case called for a CGI character and not makeup, its a super ripped gorilla man thats also supposed to look like a smart human. And his teeth prosthetics WERE TERRIBLE.

 13. This movie had the worst script. The final battle lines in the ships were hilarious.

 14. By the end of the movie, Magneto was a logical, sensible person with actual justified motivation. Professor X was just a douche that seemed ok with letting people try to kill/betray him over and over. Apparently its because he is so hung up over this Moira chick (who knew? Zero chemistry or implication of romance until they kiss). Meanwhile, theres hot-ass mutants running around (white queen, Mystique etc etc). What a puss. He gives no justification as to why he thinks he should be helping humans. He's a geneticist, he should know all about evolution and whats going to happen.

 15.The Hellfire Club is mentioned once. There is no background to them. I don't know who they are. Apparently they just drive submarines and boats, meet with high government officials and trade sex and threats to get missiles placed all over the world. Do they own businesses? Engage in organized crime? Kill people? Manipulate stocks? Why do the governments have to listen to them, is it the threat of murder of random generals? 
16. Its saving grace is Magneto, who is pretty badass. And tornado man was pretty funny. As was seeing someone on the big screen, in all seriousness, call for thermonuclear war without considering any other options at all. Other than that, it sucked. It's like Vaughn took the worst parts of James Bond and combined them with X-men. 

17. Professor Xs powers are nonsensical. He can look inside a submarine and see "empty spots"? Not to mention Beast can apparently analyze and recombine DNA to make DNA vaccines in the 1960s, build jets, and build telepath machines. In his 20s. He is supposed to be brilliant, not a deus ex machina for every machine you need. Now, this would be credible if his intelligence or deductive skills were ever shown, for example, him figuring out plot points. Instead shit just appears and someone says "oh, Hank made it". 

 Movie grade: D.

  • June 9, 2011, 2:12 a.m. CST

    I forgot..

    by redkamel

    X-man training apparently consists of jogging, free weights, and a 2-3 tries of your powers in a controlled environment. You know they are training because they wear matching grey sweats all the time.

  • June 9, 2011, 4:08 a.m. CST

    "revealing he had made himself walk with his powers"

    by Shermdawg

    Uh, Xavier doesn't have the power of telekinesis. Also, that lisp of Banshee's? Irish accent.

  • June 9, 2011, 4:08 a.m. CST

    And the legs line was fine.

    by Shermdawg

  • June 9, 2011, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Shermdawg

    "3. You would think Azazel and "Tornando Man" would die, since they have no lines and are basic henchmen. Instead they live and even play a part at the end. There is no insight into their characters or why they make any decisions." Because THEY ARE basic henchmen. It's a comic book movie. The villain, needs muscle. They're it. And if you can't figure out what's in store for Azazel and his importance in sequels, you haven't seen X2. "4. Besides Mystique, Beast, Prof X, and Magneto, none of the main characters seem to have ANY motivation behind their decisions." The only main character beyond the ones you listed was Shaw, and he certainly DID have motivation behind his decisions. "7. Collecting mutants scene was stupid...just round up a few and make a team I guess, we take all comers!" But that's X-men. "9. Why is Michael Ironside in this?" Why the fuck not? "10. Who the fuck is Darwin and Buttefly girl? never heard of those mutants. Why would having Butterfly wings let you spit fireballs? And why can't Darwin adapt to energy?" Newer characters. And according to the actor that played Darwin.....he can. The reason he was "killed" is due to him supposedly being added to the film late in the game. "11. Shaw spend about 20 minutes souping himself up. OH SHIT theres going to be a big battle! Maybe he'll age when he uses all his powers, and Magneto will show no mercy and kill a helpless old man. Maybe Shaw wil absorb energy from people! No, the final battle consists of him being frozen after a 5 minute conversation." And what a great five minute conversation/aftermath that was! Also, in regards to the rest of your complaints you're over thinking and nitpicking a comic book movie. Especially the complaints laid on Beast. No one seems to have a problem when that shit happens in nearly every Harry Potter. It's expected.

  • June 9, 2011, 4:35 a.m. CST

    I mean seriously, if you're gonna complain about...

    by Shermdawg

    "Beast can apparently analyze and recombine DNA to make DNA vaccines in the 1960s, build jets, and build telepath machines." You gotta complain about nearly every fantastic scientific device that's brought up in any film ever made.

  • June 9, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Sherm pretty much covered all my points.

    by BlaGyver

    I'm not one to whip out insults in debates about the quality of a movie, but red, you sound like an angsty pretentious 16 year old trying to sound smart. Not saying you ARE, but that's what you sound like. Yeah, that scene you described would have been chilling. You know, if it was remotely possible given X's powers and what happened to him. And even if he was telekinetic, that's a fucking stretch. He got shot at the base of his fucking spine. And I'd like to know which scene you saw where Banshee flew with one wing. The movie I saw didn't have a scene like that, it just had one where his other wing got blasted and so he fucking crashed on the beach. Idiot.

  • Because, you know, that event you saw depicted was THE FUCKING CUBAN MISSLE CRISIS. So that's pretty much what happened, sans mutants.

  • June 9, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Fassbender reverts to his Irish accent in the last ten minutes

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    which is weird cause surely nothing is filmed in sequence? Sam Worthingtonitis

  • June 9, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    blagyver and shermdawg

    by redkamel

    I agree Xavier doesnt have the power of telekinesis. But having him lay on the beach and moan "my legs, my legs, I can't feel my legs" is about as hammy as it gets. He could sure as shit exhaust himself making other people carry him, while everyone sees him walking though. I also know Banshee really can use echolcation in the comics. But in the movie, its never brought up until they need it. I know who Azazel is. I don't think he was in X2, but his son, Nightcrawler, was. The other main or major characters include banshee, havok, beast and all the other mutants I sat there watching for 2 hours. I don't expect a full development, but jesus, a little more than one line would be nice. Michael Ironside seemed like a pretty random addition. I love the guy, but I think they could have used him for something better in the movie...maybe Shaw? The newer characters were lame, and on par with the weird porcupine lesbians in the other x-men movies. The five minute conversation/aftermath was great? Ok, enjoy. Shaw used his powers like 1-2 times. What a great villain. Compared to Magneto in the other films.... I don't know why you bring up Harry Potter, but most of the time there aren't glaring errors in it that I noticed. Also, in Harry Potter, they use magic. Which isn't real, so you can just explain it away as magic. If you base your movies premise on something scientific, like genes, then you have to at least make quasi-scientific sense when you explain stuff. Because while people don't actually know much about magic, genes and science are taught in high school. I can complain about Beast being able to do that shit in 1960 because its a) inconsistent with anything known in the 1960s at that time b) theres no "showing" him being smart, its only "telling". So its looks inconsistent and stupid, stuff is just explained away. And it happens repeatedly. Vaccine? Hank. Jet? Hank. Costumes? Hank. Flight wings? Hank. Cerebro? Hank. All in the space of 1 hour. If it had happened two or three times, it may have been believable. And the Cuban Missile crisis never involved a line drawn in the ocean, and I am pretty sure there was never a public position where "if they do something (that is not a missile launch) we will launch missiles." So actually, no, that did not happen at all during the Cuban Missile crisis. In fact, those missiles actually landed and were in Cuba without a war starting. A more accurate event would have been if Shaw actually launched missiles...which is the normal event in "missile crisis" movies. Are people not familiar with the Cuban Missile crisis? Its only in a ton of movies, has its own movie, and is a major recent historical event. Banshee flies with one wing when he is holding Havok one arm. This could have easily been remedied by Havok riding Banshees back. And if that was an Irish accent, well knock me dead. I just got back from Ireland 2 weeks ago and I never mistook any of them for lisping. I guess you can call me nitpicky, but I think of it more as "paying attention". My date, btw, had the the same observations. So I guess we can live in nitpick heaven togethere while everyone else just blithly watches movies full of hand waving and generalization.

  • June 9, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    @blagyver - Nothing about the CM Crisis was correct

    by Woodrow_Wilson_Smith

    JFK and Sec od Defence personally oversaw the crisis. Ship commanders had no authority to start firing on their own. And the closest confrontation was between a destroyer and a Soviet sub shadowing one of the Soviet Merchantmen. The idea of the Soviet merchant vessels firing was so absurd as to be beyond laughable. The only way that depiction of the crisis gets into a movie is if the director assumes the American people are so stupid they have zero knowledge of their own history. And I guess he was right, given the reviews.

  • June 9, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Huh. My bad, I do stand corrected.

    by BlaGyver

    Nothing really to say for myself regarding that. American history around the Cold War/Vietnam/Korea has honestly never been my strong suit.

  • June 9, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Maybe I'm being Over-Critical

    by Woodrow_Wilson_Smith

    But it just kind of pisses me off

  • June 9, 2011, 5:31 p.m. CST

    red

    by Shermdawg

    Once again, what the hell would you say if you just became paralyzed? And foregoing medical attention and exploiting others to cover up his injury is beyond stupid. That's NOT Xavier. Yes, Nightcrawler was in X2, but how do you think he came to be? The sequels will most certainly show that......and I'll bet it ends badly for Azazel at the hands of Magneto. Banshee, and the new recruit...(besides Beast) were supporting characters, not main characters. Also, when has X-men ever gave more than a few lines to the kids? Bobby was short changed in X1. Colossus in X2 and X3. There's room for character developement on the others in a sequel. Especially Alex, given they have to recruit Scott sometime. There was too many characters in First Class to juggle the backstories and motivations of every new recruit. Now if this had been a tv show, which X-men is better suited for, it wouldn't be a problem. Also, there's nothing wrong with random additions from recognizable character actors such as Ironside. That's the role he's settled into at this stage of his career. "the weird porcupine lesbians in the other x-men movies" What? You mean Miles from Lost in X3? And yes, the climax with Shaw and Magneto was great. X-men is more than people running around using super powers, that shit is just gravy. I'd rather have a dramatic faceoff consisting of just conversation and character development than a special effects showoff. And really, the twos powers wouldn't really make for a good battle. And if he had became a living bomb, there was no way to counter that with the others powers and Shaw still having his lackeys. I mean, sure Xavier could just overtake the minds of all the bad guys to remove Shaw's helmet, and then he could lead him out to sea, drowning him. But that'd be lazy as hell, and wouldn't fit the character of Xavier. I brought up Harry Potter because they seemingly pull things out their asses at any given moment to move the story along or to wrap it up. If that can be overlooked, it should here because it's a comic book flick. That's what goes on in comic book flicks. People create unbelievable stuff. Regardless of the era. Regardless if it jives with real-life science. Are you going to go back and fault all of those original Marvel stories because it didn't mesh with real life discoveries? Or any film for that mater? Also, how do we know when certain things are actually discovered? It's not like our government is forthcoming about their experiements/projects. I'll overlook Hanks DNA mapping, because it's comic book fluff. It's expected. The suits? No biggie. And believe it or not, the SR71 is real and was introduced in the 60's. I'll give you the CMC inaccuracies, but it's not the first comic book story to foolishly change up real life events for the benefit of its story. And regarding Banshee, have you ever heard an Irish-American teenager with a lisp?

  • That said, I still disagree. 1. "Technology not available in the 60's" Well sonofabitch. A comic book movie made some changes to history! Wait a second...are you telling me that the technology used to make the super-solider serum in Captain America never existed. Well fuck. There goes the foundation upon which I built my knowledge of American history. 2. He doesn't fly down. He starts to lose control and crash lands on the beach, spinning out of control the whole time. 3. Shaw's strength as a villain has nothing to do with his powers. It has to do with the fact that he's crafty and manipulative. Your arguments seem to contradict themselves in that you're trying to come across as extremely logical and analytical, the kind of person that wants substance in a movie but not special effects. Yet when it comes down to the showdown with the villain, you say you wanted a bunch of great big special effects. This is sort of like someone saying, "Man, after all the talking about eating people Hannibal Lecter did, they should have shown him eating a bunch of guards alive at the end. Fucking bullshit." 4. Banshee, Havok, etc. were not major characters. They were supporting characters. It's literally impossible to argue otherwise. The main character arcs of the movie were Magneto and Charles with main supporting arcs from Mystique and Hank. In closing, wow, cool, you had a date. Only in your first post you said you saw it with a friend. Also, let's be clear on something. I've been reading this site since I was 14, and when I was 14 I posted TBs like the ones you did in an effort to come across as really cool, really smart, and really witty. Fact is, I was looking up half my arguments online because at 14, I didn't know jack shit about movies. Point I'm getting at is I recognize bullshit on the talkbacks when I see it, having experience in it. Stop trying so hard.

  • June 10, 2011, 3:08 a.m. CST

    blagyver

    by redkamel

    Look, I wasn't going to respond, but this is getting ridiculous Movies have to be internally coherent. Things have to be introduced into the world, not just spewed into a movie whenever it is convenient for the plot. Thats my main problem with this movie. Whenever something is needed, it just appears with a "wave of the hand" explanation. Since you don't seem to care about that part, I'll just leave it at that. Banshee clearly flys around with Havok, and only starts crashing when the butterfly girl shoots a fireball at his wings. I'll admit, that was nitpicky, and I would have let it pass if I hadn't been noticing about 10 other things going wrong leading up to it. I don't want substance in an X-men movie. I just want a movie that makes sense and delivers what it promises (in this case, an adventure, some characters, and a battle or two). So yes, when basic facts are completely wrong and fly in the face of what to me is common knowledge and common sense, I can't enjoy the movie. When I don't understand the characters, even supporting cast that play a prominent role, I don't feel involved with the movie. When they make a big deal about Shaw powering up with a nuclear reactor, I expect him to do something with it. And saying "I EXPECT you to place missiles there" face to face to generals on both sides does not make you a manipulator. Any hammy James Bond villain has a more devious plan than that. There are ways to counter Shaw becoming a living bomb or being super strong...Magneto encasing Shaw, or saving all the X-men and the ships, with EM field, like in the other movies. Or just letting him rage out till he runs out of power. Goddamn I feel like a nerd. "friend vs date": I am glad your reading comprehension is better than your movie comprehension. I don't know if this is possible in your social life, but it is possible to be friends with someone you date. Im not "trying hard". I came on this board to vent that this movie is not "another winner"; in reality it was an embarrassment. I was trying to save someone else the trouble. If you guys feel that was a well crafted movie, enjoy. But I don't think I posted anything false up there: poor character development and SFX, rushed plot, some bad acting, and a bad irish accent. I have high standards, even for blockbuster flicks. X:FC should have been split into a few movies and had a little more attention paid to it. Then it could have been a worthy reboot. The SR-71 was introduced in the 60s. I am actually a big fan of the plane. Unfortunately it was impossible for it do any of the things shown in the movie...which I don't care about it, because its a comic book movie. I know a lot of the gadgets in the movie were based on real things. However, apparently they were ALL developed by Hank McCoy off screen. What I do care about it is the explanation for the jet is that "Hank built it in his spare time". Compare to the introduction of the Tumbler in batman "Oh look, we have this vehicle because its left over from an experimental project and our company builds weapons.""Paint it black, lets use it". One is believable, the other isn't. Picking up chicks and reading his best friends minds also aren't in Xaviers personality. I think he could have had a moment of weakness and kept his pride. At any rate, feel free to call my criticisms juvenile and bullshit. Half the people I know thought this movie was great, the other half laughable. And I never realized the porcupine lesbian was Miles. Him and those chicks looked so androgynous I kept mixing them up. I haven't seen that movie in years. Pardon the mix up.

  • June 10, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST

    i thought the ending

    by thesmilingpsycho

    with magneto (spoiler) willing the coin through shaws brain was pretty fuckin poetic

  • June 10, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    There were only two cringe-worthy moments....

    by cookylamoo

    When the Beast first appears looking like a stuffed animal from a carnival and when Magneto appears at the end in his stupid new costume that makes him look like Forbush Man.

  • June 10, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    the costume at the end

    by thesmilingpsycho

    while cheesy. didn't bother me for a couple of reasons. 1) bcuz it was true to the comic in almost every detail 2) bcuz it kind of fit that era in a strange way and well bcuz if magneto is going to lead an army id imagine he would need to wear a uniform that would make him unique and authoritative. he can't just go around calling the shots in normal clothes. also its a comic book movie and i love that vaughn didn't shy away from the real costume.

  • June 10, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    I get that it was authentic.

    by cookylamoo

    But it also seemed to be two sizes too big. Plus McKellen has that aura of evil about him. I'd like to have see a touch of that.

  • June 10, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST

    And by the by....The "Cyclone Guy"

    by cookylamoo

    Since his name is Riptide I think it's more likely he manipulates water rather than air. If you watch him closely, there's always a water source nearby.

  • June 10, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Absolutly the worst of the 5 X-Men movies

    by Unbreakable16

    The first four had issues. None of them felt quite right, and all deviated in sometimes bad/pointless ways from the books... Well this deviates too, in even more pointless ways, but it never feels right at all. I mean the first four at least have a sense of family...there's SOMETHING there that's right in the tone. This has none of that. It's cheesy from almost the first moment-the stuff in Germany comes off as more cheesy than menacing, and the tone never feels right....I mean it's super off compared with the first four even. It has moments that are good or occasionally great, but then another 3 that aren't. Dialog is quite often just horrendous (the constant "proud of it!" thing...) The "Angel" character (who appears to be modeled on a recent teenage character in one of the books, rather than the actual Angel character) is kind of okay, but then halfway through the film just randomly joins up with the bad guys, with not even a single line of explanation-I'm not sure she even TALKS again after that point. Any interest in her character just evaporates. The Hellfire Club has nothing to do with the real thing. Emma Frost is completely wrong, in looks, voice, and actions. It was often boring, yet also somehow too crammed in with random "hey, here's this character and his powers!" moments. Geez, this wasn't much longer than Thor, but where Thor felt like about 10 minutes, this...you felt the whole thing. I will say, a lot of the casting was solid. Charles and Eric both seemed good...when the dialog let them be at least. Raven too...when aplicable. (And yes, this is yet ANOTHER version of her with nothing to do with the other films, let alone the books, but that in and of itself isn't a problem for me. True of most of the characters...) Two Scottish characters aren't, in this, and Banshee (like Hank, and Havoc, and...) has no charisma or development or lines worth much of anything. I really don't get the bashing of 3 and Wolverine. EVERYTHING wrong with those was more wrong in this, and those at least had a certain feel to them that seemed right, much of the time... Heck, Raven's awesome R-rated Wolverine game was 100x what this is. Harry's right though...best use of a Fuck in a PG-13 movie ever.

  • June 10, 2011, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Absolutly the worst of the 5 X-Men movies

    by Unbreakable16

    The first four had issues. None of them felt quite right, and all deviated in sometimes bad/pointless ways from the books... Well this deviates too, in even more pointless ways, but it never feels right at all. I mean the first four at least have a sense of family...there's SOMETHING there that's right in the tone. This has none of that. It's cheesy from almost the first moment-the stuff in Germany comes off as more cheesy than menacing, and the tone never feels right....I mean it's super off compared with the first four even. It has moments that are good or occasionally great, but then another 3 that aren't. Dialog is quite often just horrendous (the constant "proud of it!" thing...) The "Angel" character (who appears to be modeled on a recent teenage character in one of the books, rather than the actual Angel character) is kind of okay, but then halfway through the film just randomly joins up with the bad guys, with not even a single line of explanation-I'm not sure she even TALKS again after that point. Any interest in her character just evaporates. The Hellfire Club has nothing to do with the real thing. Emma Frost is completely wrong, in looks, voice, and actions. It was often boring, yet also somehow too crammed in with random "hey, here's this character and his powers!" moments. Geez, this wasn't much longer than Thor, but where Thor felt like about 10 minutes, this...you felt the whole thing. I will say, a lot of the casting was solid. Charles and Eric both seemed good...when the dialog let them be at least. Raven too...when aplicable. (And yes, this is yet ANOTHER version of her with nothing to do with the other films, let alone the books, but that in and of itself isn't a problem for me. True of most of the characters...) Two Scottish characters aren't, in this, and Banshee (like Hank, and Havoc, and...) has no charisma or development or lines worth much of anything. I really don't get the bashing of 3 and Wolverine. EVERYTHING wrong with those was more wrong in this, and those at least had a certain feel to them that seemed right, much of the time... Heck, Raven's awesome R-rated Wolverine game was 100x what this is. Harry's right though...best use of a Fuck in a PG-13 movie ever.

  • June 10, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST

    This Emma Frost COULDN'T have been in WOLVERINE

    by Pitdoc

    It was probably a girl with similar powers, but wasn't the same woman.Because in WOLVERINE, Charles Xavier is older( trying to remember if he walks; if he does there's continuity to drive a truck through )

  • June 11, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    i wish u guys would quit complaining about continuity

    by thesmilingpsycho

    vaughn already said not everything is going to match up.

  • June 11, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST

    'Cause comics are RENOWNED for their perfect continuity, eh?

    by BurnHollywood

    Ask any geek who emptied his bank account in a vain attempt to collect every DC "Crisis" title...

  • So you hate X1's opening scene, yes?

  • June 11, 2011, 10:56 p.m. CST

    The plot with Shaw trying to start WWIII was laughable

    by chien_sale

    I mean it came down from one of the worst Bond movie ever. and the way Shaw and the Hellfire Club manipulated their way into that was so stupid. Vaughan has got to be the most stupiest director ever. Only Fassbender saved the movie by his performance.

  • June 11, 2011, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Anybody thought the characters interaction was rushed?

    by chien_sale

    I know that Xavier and Magneto are supposed to be friends, so is Moira McTagert but they just met and they suddenly have this big friendship going. I just hated the fact that McTaggert learns how mutants exist right away. Xavier revealed his mutation to her right away. And they go meet the CIA people whatever and have Jennifer Lawrence go ahead and transform in front of them. If it were the 60s, they would have been shot right away.

  • June 13, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST

    why is Shaw alive in X2?

    by brightgeist

    is it a simple continuity error, or is there more to it? maybe he didn't die?

  • June 13, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST

    typical racist shit movie

    by ragermac

    Hated the treatment of Darwin, as well as angel, a damn evil stripper.

  • June 13, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Didn't anybody notice Fasbender turning Irish, or didn't they care?.

    by cookylamoo

    I mean, don't actors overdub their mistakes all the time in post production?

  • June 13, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    ragermac, funny thing about Darwin...

    by Shermdawg

    He was reportedly added late in the filming to diversify the cast a little. It backfired, though the actor that played him has supposedly insisted that his character can not die. We may see him in sequels.

  • June 13, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    why is Shaw alive in X2?

    by Shermdawg

    Continuity error, yes.....but easily addressed by his supposed son "Shinobi" sharing the same first name.

  • It's nice not to be burdened with the "perfect" version comic book fans apparently have in their heads. And thank God it wasn't in 3D.

  • June 18, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST

    As A Guy With Several Boxes of X-Men Comics, I Loved It

    by Autodidact

    Just got home from a Saturday afternoon show. I thought it was really frigging great, and I don't see where it differs from the comics in any significant way. Any complaints about lack of faith to the source material WRT this movie is evidence of OCD or overriding nerdy lack of perspective. Plus, after about the year 2000 there is not a singular X continuity to respect anyways. There have been multiple simultaneous continuities for the X-Men since then. I really loved the movie all around. Bring on the sequel ASAP please.

  • June 18, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    January Jones Was Terrible Though

    by Autodidact

    I've always had a thing for the White Queen. JJ was terribly miscast. She didn't come off that hot to me. Too skinny to really fill out the PVC bustiers. And her face is a bit harsh, a bit diner waitressy in close-up. The white queen should have intense cleavage, the smoothest most flawless features and ultimate poise and grace. What's more she should be scarily intelligent. But January Jones made Emma Frost move and sound like a ditzy stripper much of the time.

  • June 28, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST

    wow, those are some long diatribes...

    by omarthesnake

    from people i feel sorry for, who were so determined to hate a perfectly fine movie for perceived flaws most of which boil down to "they didn't make the movie i would have made despite the fact that i'm a genius! Waaa!" yes, there were a few minor flaws in the movie, but these overwrought scathing essays, combined with the sheer idiocy of people who equate box office results with quality,make it very, very easy to ignore those flaws and simply enjoy one of the best superhero flicks to date. aah, remember the chilling revelation of what Azazel was doing? Or Magneto hunting nazis? Or Sebastian Shaw's diabolical smirk? Or Raven's Jennifer Lawrenceness? Or Xavier's pickup lines? Or those cameos? Good times, good times. and if you don't appreciate the film, well, sucks to be you.

  • July 6, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Damages Season 4 Premieres Next Week - Promo attached

    by Xen11

    I don't know where else to post this. The message boards are ass, every news post is ass, Coaxial is obsessed with Doctor Who and selling shit, etc. X-Men First Class review is the best place to break this news because all the best breaking news happens in AICN Talkbacks and Harry's reviews are the best place because they are here and stay up for a while and have the movies that usually matter. X-Men First Class is the only really great film of the summer, besides Thor, so I figured it was best to have the Damages 4 Trailer with the only film that is appreciated by mature people and hated by douchebags that only like Michael Bay films. Because Damages and X-Men First Class are similar in that regard: adult entertainment, i.e. intelligence. So Damages 4 premieres Wednesday July 13 on DirecTV and here's the great trailer for the few intelligent people who care. Patty and Ellen face the greatest threat to mankind: Christian Conservatives. So please, you douchebags who this term applies to (the majority of you) don't watch it because you will be highly offended and will probably kick into redneck rage mode. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt5x98_u234

  • July 23, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST

    What? No mention of RAY WISE or JAMES REMAR?

    by Tigger Tales

    Have you no class??