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3 Current Ideas For The Next STAR TREK Series

Hey folks, Harry here. Just got this in, and figured I had to get this in front of you folks ASAP. Personally I like the second and third ones, and think that STAR TREK 90210 would suck just like most everything from the enemic ostrich of the galaxy. They wanted a focus group.... Let's give it to em! Here's the scoop....

Last night, over here in Glendale, CA, there was a focus group session where they floated 3 possible ideas for a new Star Trek series; ran them up the flagpole, so to speak, to see which ones we saluted. The focus group consisted of about 10 people, representing all demographics (male, female, young, old, all races.)

The premises were presented to us in very crude animatics (the focus groupers stressed that they final series would be live-action, and that these animatics were just for demonstration purposes.) Proctored discussion followed each presentation.

The first was the much rumored, "Star Fleet Academy." (So, despite the constant denials that this premise was even being considered, apparently it IS very much being mulled over.) Despite an initial warm reception, after some discussion, this was shot down by the group as "90210 in Space."

The second, and probably the strongest, involved an elite band of trouble-shooters that traveled throughout the galaxy, dealing with volitale situations and galactic hot-spots; sort of the Federation's Navy SEALS. They would go undercover, when necessary, and deal with terrorists, pirates, etc. This really seemed to have the best potential for being a kick-ass sci-fi adventure series.

The third concept was the least developed, and was set in the early, pre-Enterprise days of the Federation; back when Klingons were bad, Romulans were yet to be discovered, and young James T. was just a gleam in his father's eye. Basically, "Young Orignial Series Trek." But none of the original series' characters would be featured.

Let's hope that the second premise is the one that gets the red light, since that seems to have the most potential of reviving this lagging franchise.

Call me Jasper Sitwell.

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  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:41 a.m. CST

    The 3rd idea is the best one.

    by Darth Siskel

    The first idea plain old sucks Klingon ass. The second idea is not StarTrek. The third idea, setting the show in the pre-Kirk days is the best I've heard. The effects modern, but the style very retro. They could get back to the old feel of the original series, maybe a bit less campy. And the series could lead up to the launch of the Enterprise's first mission. I have a better idea for a series, but that's between me & Paramount.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Please save us

    by Dmann

    Christ almighty, is it just me or do both of these ideas blow chunks of gardockian space puke out of a reactor vent. Star fleet academy, 90210, well, maybe it could be good, but knowing the current trek/paramount administration, it will just be teenage melodrama in space. Oh and by the way, wouldnt Legion be about the same idea, yet one that hasnt been yet? Space Rangers Trek seals....well, at least the show will be cancelled quickly! As for the third one, well ok, lets see some more

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:47 a.m. CST

    could be good

    by canuck boy

    finally......a slightly promising idea for the future of Star Trek. i know a lot of people like them, but in my opinion the only good Star Treks have been the original series and The Next Generation. i just could never get into DS9 or Voyager (the worst yet i think). i like the 2nd idea the best, but the 3rd one certainly sounds good too. and i too would 86 the Academy idea, Aaron Spelling should stay away from sci-fi. until next time i shall remain here in the frozen waste land of Canada with my movie and my hockey stick, canuck boy! out

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Door Number two please!?!?

    by Silentscott

    this is the most appealing of these three ideas but in itself still sounds pretty lame. But it could be done well if they pull there head out of there asses and bring in some fresh faces behind the camera.. Im not bitter, Im better.. Wait I think it could kick ass and as lame as this sounds I think Rikers transporter twin should lead the team, Frakes loves trek and that charachter kicked ass.. other than that I say bring in a bunch of relative unknowns such as with STTNG and give them a kick ass Ship with a cloak ofcourse and and they could have a chance.. a ten people focus group? I think this is how voyager got the green light. Silent

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:50 a.m. CST

    If these are their best ideas......

    by Adam

    ... then the best thing for Paramount to do is have them concentrate on Voyager for its last year and a half and when its over FIRE EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. Once that is done their next step should be to give the franchise a rest for at least 5 years. When its nice and rested they should start searching for an exec. producer who understands what Star Trek and Science Fiction are all about and has the imagination and talent to create an interestin, thoughtful, and moving Star Trek series. If they can't find someone who fits that description then this franchise needs to die.

  • And it is the very fact that it is "Star Trek". The endless crowds of raving fans that crowd the conventions, the lunatics who memorize the entire Klingon dictionary and own all the technical manuals, and the ones that dress up as Ferengis for Halloween have all earned Star Trek a reputation for being a "geek"'s show. I have a feeling that people won't watch Star Trek because it's excessively nerdy, or it's not cool. Face it, the stigma of Star Trek has been mocked by everything from "Galaxy Quest" to the comic strip Foxtrot. This is why, in my opinion, the 90210 concept would fail immediately, because it targets the teen crowd, the vast majority of whom would never even consider flipping on a Star Trek show.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Please for the love of god, let it be the second choice!!!!!

    by J-Dizzle

    Well, introducing a new Star Trek series about a special forces unit of the Federation is one of the best ideas I've heard in a long time! The SAS in outerspace, FUCKING BRILLIANT! I just hope the makers of this series don't muck it up like they did with Voyager. I mean Voyager started off really well and then as the seasons progressed it went crappy, by the way anybody know what happened to that Species 5658448389 (whatever numbers they were) that was kicking the crap of the Borg? Please bring them back! They were seriuosly kicking Borg booty, and you can be sure I was rooting for them all the way. Anyway, back to this new series business! The third choice would just be too boring, come on, we know what it was like in the "old" days! We want new ships, new alien races, and more massive wars with multiple alien races! That Starship Academy is an interesting idea, however the thought of 90210 in space does seem to be a bit crap shall we say? Definitely go for the SAS in space! A brand spanking new idea with a lot potential, just don't fuck it up please! To tell you the truth, I'm just waiting for the ultimate war to happen in the Star Trek world, that's right, a war between the Dominian, Federation, Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Borg, and that Species 589478474 thingy! That'll make a fucking kick arse war!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:53 a.m. CST

    MUST we have a new show?

    by Laura47

    The whole Trek franchise needs a rest, for at least a few years... they just keep churning out Trek and it keeps getting worse... They need new writers and producers and most of they they need new IDEAS. But nnnnoooo... they'll just keep on making shows forever. It will never stop. *sob* And another thing, how many Gene Roddenberry series are we goign to have? I have this dreadful feeling that someday we'll have shows based on something Gene scribbled on a napkin...

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Let it die...

    by aitala

    The problem with Trek is not the series' premises, it is the production and writing staff and the complete overload of the franchise. The whole things needs to be shut down for a couple years and started up new with a completely new bunch of people. I'd rather watch reruns of TNG than any new Voyager show... Its bad enough that Trek churns out enough lousy books to kill a rain forrest a month and is wasting so much useful space in bookstores around the globe. Just let it die off so we can hope for a glorious return...

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:58 a.m. CST

    The 3rd one please

    by Pax74

    Of all of them The 3rd one sounds the best, have some real exploration, show the Federations growing pains. I mean come, on all of the races could have got together in perfect harmony. Show some limitations as far as the technology in the early Federation. And if they do it right, could you imagine what the first conflicts between the Federation and Romulans would be like? That is something I would want to see

  • The way I see it, they have to change the whole demographic's opinion of what "is" Star Trek. Make it less of a geek's thing and something more mainstream. Less aliens with bumpy heads making weird hand signals. But why change Star Trek in the first place? I think it's obvious that the tried and true formula for Star Trek has lost alot of luster. The third idea, of a pre-Kirk Star Trek sounds like it'll give the same things people have already seen in the original series, the next generation, and voyager. It just won't bring in the audiences. The only Star Trek I could bear to watch was Deep Space 9, because it separated itself from the rest of the Star Trek universe, something that casual viewers could pick up on and not be totally lost.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:05 a.m. CST

    USS Excelsior

    by CameronWR

    I like the idea of a new TV series based on Capt. Sulu and the USS Excelsior. With the look and feel of the first 6 movies. Now that sounds cool.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Go fr'dah 2nd wun, yo....

    by D12-Beowulf

    Yo, yo wassuuuup, DJ 7LP hittin' ya hard in da chops wit da phatty Shaolin Style. Just dropped by to throw in my glove for da 2nd theme, yo. Now, I gotta say dat I'm more fr'dah Star Wars type o'sci-fi, but if I was peepin' a new Trek series, I'd peep dis out, yo, naw'm'sayin'? Quick shout out to my man, Harry, livin' mad an' large in the Y2K, keep it real, yo. Peace. //dj-7lp

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:10 a.m. CST

    None of those are great.

    by technomad

    Personally, the best trek premise I heard was the one posted a while ago on coaxial. Don't remember it well but it took place far into the future of today's Treks. the Federation was gone. The Klingon empire was gone. Basically universe changed drastically. The crew would be a group lead by an officer trying to rebiuld the glory of the Federation, I think. To me, this is the coolest because a)it has a known history, with familiar races, b)those familiar races are turned upside down, and c)its a Rocky story. One of the reasons The Next Gen was good was that it was in a familiar universe but there were enough changes to make it fresh and interesting. A new series needs that freshness. We need more than just either a new area of space(Voyager) or a new crew(DS9). We need a new, yet familiar universe. We all want to know what happens to characters after a show is gone. Well, with this idea we get to see what happens to entire races when wars, famine, peace, etc affect them. Wouldn't it be cool, if somewhere during the show, a secodnary character was introduced and his name was Picard, or Riker? Or maybe old Wes Crusher turned out to be some higher being after he went off with that alien guy. I'm rambling but I still think the far future idea is far better than the three being considered.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:13 a.m. CST

    I think it would be cool to see a cross between the first and se

    by Funk4America

    I imagine a cross between the Star Trek Academy and Star Trek Commandos ideas. Imagine if the dominion has decimated the alpha quadrant and starfleet has to teach the kiddies at the academy a balance between tolerance and discovery and ass kicking for defense of the new life that they discover. Well what do you guys think of that?

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Time to put the series to rest. "It's over, Johnny!"

    by Uncapie

    Paramount killed the Golden Goose when they started sending their thug attorneys to all the conventions. "No more selling of unauthorised merchandise! "Star Trek blopers are illegal!" Just because some talking pile of crap with a law degree says so? Proove it! Those conventions were the only places you could get certain items that related to the series. Even Majel, when she was sober, had a booth and sold some cool stuff. She even sold the blooper reels! Paramount's knife, Paramount's throat. They made the merchandise too widespread and forced it down the fans throats. Also, scumbags like Creation gutted the market with shows and burned the collectors out. $450 for a six foot table for a one day show? No way! Special seating? For what?! Do I get to have sex with Majel afterwards if I pay the $150.00 extra?! The stories got weaker and weaker. The egos got bigger and bigger. Sure, Stark Trek was great, but now its time to grow up. We live in the future, not in the past. Thanks for the run.

  • Looks like it should be in an Astroboy or Prince Planet cartoon! Worse yet, this fucking storybook I had as a kid called "Kippie" about a creepy-looking elf-type creature that ran around in this bizzare underworld! It was drawn and written in the fifites, so it was REALLY creepy!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Variations on idea No. 3: The adventures of Captain Robert April

    by Alexandra DuPont

    It seems to me that Idea No. 3

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:27 a.m. CST

    live evil

    by mca

    2nd idea is best *if* you don't make it a navy seal crap job. maybe something a bit less hostile, say a team of experts that would be called to perform various tasks in and around fed space? kinda like the specialists you see all the time. definitely no black ops, to me it seems very counter-trek

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:29 a.m. CST

    A postscript re: Hikaru Sulu.... Nice idea, Cameron.

    by Alexandra DuPont

    Cameron in the post above is spot-on; the adventures of the Excelsior would ALSO tune me back in. Toujours.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Which makes more $$$: the series or the movies?

    by Darth Stupid

    Because that's the what Paramount will be thinking about: Which series will lead to flicks? Just skip it. Quit making series for a while and make brand new NON-Next Gen, NON-TOS movies. For instance, just have a movie about how the human race met the Klingons and how the wars began. I like Picard et al as much as the next guy, but I am tired of the universe revolving around this crew. They discovered the Borg, they discovered the crew, they saved the Earth from the Borg a bunch of time. Odd that you mention 90210, Harry. That's what these guys remind me of. Remember how when they were still in high school? Yet these 6 kids are the only people you ever hear about on the show. Yeah, I know that's how TV works. But movies don't have to. Just make an original Trek movie is all I ask of ya!!!! However, if I have to pick from the three above choices, I choose 2. This at least has some built-in story writing constraints. At least try to design some decent uniforms.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Incidentally, Mr. Knowles: Your site is taking some risks here,

    by Alexandra DuPont

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Whoah....26 posts in 50 minutes.....this is gonna be a long one

    by Niiiice

    Unless of course its like most Star Trek films, where all the fans go to see it opening weekend and then it dies.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:36 a.m. CST

    correction

    by Darth Stupid

    when I wrote "they discovered the crew" I meant to say, "they discovered the Q." Sorry.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:49 a.m. CST

    if it has to be any of these, let it be 2 . . .

    by photon_wordsmith

    Boys and girls, trekkers and non, friends, fellow sentients; let us lament that sad fact that Star Trek is dead. Trek died with Roddenberry (and was certainly decomposing by the times of DS9 and Voyager). To that end, it has to seem more than likely that any new series would sadly fail. Having said that, and knowing that I will be shot down by others, I think that if we are to have a fifth trek series, then it should be the second option presented above. Here are my reasonings for why 1 and 3 should not be done. 1 - the much maligned 'Trek-90210' or 'Dawson's Trek' idea: The whole academy notion was a novelty. We knew it was there, we knew our heroes had to go through some form of training in order to become the starfleet officers they are today (or yesterday, in the case of Kirk and Co.), we even saw it in a number of cases (two that spring to mind are the early section of Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan and the TNG episode The First Duty), but to consider the idea of a new Star Trek series would necessitate the notion that such a series have enough dramatic drive - DS9 didn't have enough, and Voyager's notion of wanting to get home is too weak. The idea of a group of academy cadets simply does not have enough. I mean, what are you going to do for a major two-part (or even three-part) episode arc? Have some alien race invade the academy and Earth? or have some kind of field exercise go terribly wrong? Sorry, folks, allready been done (respectively: the DS9 two-parter Homecoming and Paradise Lost, and the afore mentioned First Duty). No, sorry friends, Trek Academy should not happen. 2 - Trek: The FIRST Generation. Sorry, no. To set a series in a milieu earlier than that of TOS is not a good idea. The appeal of the original series (from today's standards) is that it epitomises all that was campy about the sixties (c'mon, ya gotta agree). The Deep Space Nine episode 'Trials and Tribble-ations' while a great episode full of trek nostalgia and clever moments for fans (Kirk's asking Bashir and O'Brien who started the fight, for example); but this kind of old-style re-visitation as the basis for a new series? Be serious, people, PLEASE. Besides, the old, bad, Romulans (viable, to be sure, but unlikely) and the hideous notion of returning to flat-foreheaded Klingons? Its too surrealist to imagine. The only viable option of the three presented to the focus group has got to be the second one, but even it has its' limitations. Lets face it, it's likely to turn into Mission Impossible in space. This might be the whole point, but it is hardly original. There, I've said my piece. Live long and prosper, because, sadly, right now, Trek sure as hell aint.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Another reason why Trek has trouble bringing in viewers...

    by Niiiice

    Is that it gets more and more intricate and complicated and confusing as it progresses. You can pretty much jump into the middle of most other television shows and immediately know who're the major players, who to root for, and figure out the story. Most shows deal with developing their characters, but I get the feeling everytime with Trek, its bogged down by plot. I followed Deep Space 9 in the beginning, and then I caught some episodes during the last season and I was clueless as to what the hell is going on. A show also has to have that factor to keep people who are surfing channels to stay with the program, and not just say "eh, looks complicated" and move on...

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 4:07 a.m. CST

    May The Force Be With You..Always!

    by Edward_Russell

    I thought Star Wreck died a few years ago? Oh, well...... Bring on "Episode II"!!!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 4:13 a.m. CST

    #2--Mission:Impossible

    by Daredevil

    I'd have to say the second one is the best one. But rather than a group of Trek commandos, I think it would have to be more like Mission:Impossible (which I'm surprised no one mentioned.) And I wouldn't necessarily be set it in the Next Generation era. I'd set it either right after the original crew movies or 20+ years after Voyager. Or they could combine #2 and #3 and have it Vintage Trek:Impossible. Another idea I would love, and that has been mentioned, is to have Star Trek:Excelsior with Sulu and crew (wasn't that just a cool ship!) In this time period they could keep the crimson uniforms or opt to design new ones (as they seem to like doing) since that time period is largely unexplored. But, like most people have said, they will probably go with the crappy ideas of 90210 or SEALs (anyone see that series that starred Dennis Rodman?) And I'd like to see them get some new people-in-charge (Frakes?) and fresh writing talent.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 4:37 a.m. CST

    ST: TIG

    by Lazarus Long

    Darth Bond, this is for you: What if the Iron Giant is given his own ship, and tries to show all the other alien races how they can all get along by not being guns? If they disagree, he can just blow them all into oblivion. Can definitely get a couple seasons out of this, and maybe teach some valuable lessons to impressionable children in the process. Sorry Todd, you snooze, you lose.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 5:10 a.m. CST

    They need to give a new background...

    by I'mAlanPartridge

    One that doesn't require seeing EVERY DS9 (cos I've missed some) or with Voyager, not caring if you miss it cos it always the same (until you watch one and realise it isn't and kick yourself cos you missed loads of cool borg stuff.) I want a StarTrek that doesn't require 100% geekage and knowing who's who before the series starts...and also is not wrapped up EVERY episdoe by an engineer saying, well we could re-route x-generator/emmittor through y-array and produce a z-beam. It's not a real resolution; it's a bloody cop out. I want cool Batman-esque technology (without the gay agenda) but if they end up fighting the Dominion that'll be a cop out too. RECYCLE ALERT!! I like the Navy SEALS idea for action/cool potential but the 3rd one for the potential for originality. Errr....both please?

  • Lets say somehow THE IRON GIANT got a penis, (see WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM ANYWAYS post) I know that in ST Data is to have been "born" when he was activated after being constructed shortly after the first episode of Next Generation. I would speculate that this may not be untirely true. You see, the fact that neither of them can use contractions is an inherited triat and to think such a thing can happen by chance is to not appericate the wonders of ROBOT GENETICS. Why does THE IRON GIANT say "I fix" instead of "I'll fix"? For the same reason that Data cannot, even though he is 500 years more advanced. The is an inherited default that cannot be superceded by any type of programing. This proves that they are connected. Therefor, a detailed examination of the family tree from THE IRON GIANT to Commander Data should be the focus of the next Star Trek series. This would be the 500 year long epic STAR TREK journey that would rival that of HOMER in the Odyssey. I will try not to snooze next time Lazarus :)

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 6:31 a.m. CST

    PHILOSOPHY is the key - not concept

    by Anakin Rocks

    I think that the concept of a new Trek show is not nearly as important as the PHILOSOPHY behind it. On a philosophical, social, & emotional level, what is the show trying to say? What parts of ourselves is the show exposing and dealing with? The finest speculative fiction projects (including many non-Trek ventures) all have questions like these at their core. The Original Trek (and TNG to a certain extent) explored current political & social issues framed in a futuristic milieu. It also gave hope and provided a model for a more tolerant world with a brighter future. Babylon 5 dealt with many questions, but two of the most important were "Who are you?" and "What do you want?" One central theme was that in order to truly know what you want, you must first understand who you are. If you define yourself based solely on what you want, the results can be disastrous. (This is a gross oversimplification, but I do not want to go on and on forever.) Even Buffy The Vampire Slayer has a strong emotional core. On the surface it is all about high camp, vampire adventures, but there is always a parallel to real life in their somewhere and while the characters encounter rather, ahem, unlikely situations, the emotions that are elicited are very real. This is all a very long winded way of saying that I think ANY concept could work, if it has an emotional & philosophical center behind it. If a creator understands what the center of the series is (Who are you?) then the shape of the series will fall into place around that (What do you want?) Here's hoping, JOHN

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Let it go!

    by streker

    I agree that Star Trek needs a rest. The shows are boring the movies are hard to watch and lack any imagaination what so ever!Voyager's whole claim to fame is a large breasted woman who wears skin tight outfits! Which is alright if that were the premise of the show it is not! Heck Im not even sure what the premise of that show is I don't think the producers know either! When TNG left the air it shoud been the end of it for a long time! If I could say one more thing it would be that Rick Berman must go he's no Gene and his vision for Trek has ruined it maybe beyond repair! And those three possible new shows forget it there stupid beyond words to describe! What's next Jag in space Star fleet lawyers fighting crime! Or what the heck why not Star Trek ER! As Wiiiam Shatner said (get a life) and let it die in peace its only a show!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 8:19 a.m. CST

    2 sounds the best

    by Cynic

    I think number 2 sounds the best. Perhaps they could do it as Star Trek meets Mission:impossible. That might work ( The old Tv show, not the Cruise film).

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 8:28 a.m. CST

    W.W.S.D.? (What would Shatner do?)

    by Rufus T. Firefly

    Reading these three possibilities, a cold realization has set in. The idea of this cockamamamie "Roddenberry's Andromeda" series excites me more than ALL THREE! Even with (shudder) that "Hercules" guy in the center seat! A commando team in the ST universe? It could accomplish the impossible. Sucking more than Voyager!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Create a ST anthology series

    by chanur

    Although number two is best of the three an even better ideas is the creation of an anthology series. The Star Trek universe is set. Everyone is familiar with it. Why not create a one-hour anthology series, in which you have a different cast and story every week? One week, you could have an all Klingon episode, another week, Romulan, another week the undercover spy idea, and so forth. The anthology gives the writers the best flexibility and would even allow the use of past characters. You could even have the stories span several episodes. In any case, make sure you hire an entire new writing staff. It's time for fresh ideas by a new team of writers.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 9:08 a.m. CST

    I AM 124th!!!!

    by Gruesome

    http://www.bringbackkirk.com says it all...

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 9:11 a.m. CST

    ST: Frontiers

    by AndyjHunter

    The third idea is clearly the best. Lets go back and fill in a missing chapter of the birth of the Federation. The time frame could be set between the Ephram Cochrane discovery of warp drive, ST:First Contact and ST: The Original Series. Back when space was more like the wild west, there was no Federation, no prime directive, Star Fleet was in it's infancy. You could show the disasterous first contact scenario between humans and Klingons we've heard mentioned in the shows that led to the prime directive. I hope someone sees the validity of this approach. Trek needs to stop sucking!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Why not THIS idea?

    by PoxyVonSinister

    An idea I've had for a long time for a new Trek series would simply be title Star Trek: Starfleet. Basically, you would have either an entire season or several multi-episode story arcs focusing on one particular ship in the fleet. You could do a medical ship, a research vessel, a training ship, a ship along the Neutral Zone, etc. The constant change in setting would give the show variety, yet the arcs would give enough time to get into the characters. You could even have one character who floats through all the arcs, and even have characters from TNG and DS9 make appearances to give the show the link to the Trek universe than Voyager sorely lacks. Anyway, that's my two cents. Of the three ideas presented, I think the third one is most intriguing -- I kind of worry about the "special forces" one degenerating into a Trek A-Team...

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 9:19 a.m. CST

    I'll vote for option number 2

    by Retrop

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Trek

    by Lord_Darth

    Why does the Federation always have to win? That is the major downfall in the Trek Universe. If you have a new series based on navy sealtrek make it more realistic. I mean damn everyone has to lose sometimes. It will eventually make you better. Right?

  • Instead of trying to come up with "the next big weekly series" why doesn't Paramount make 3 or 4 Star Trek mini-series or two-hour television movies? If they're too scared to go ahead with a 22-episode commitment, then just make a 4 hour miniseries on (take your pick) the Starfleet Academy, the Adventures of Captain Sulu, the Adventures of Captain April in the original Enterprise, the Federation "special missions" team, etc. This way, depending on the ratings, they might turn one of these ideas into a full series, but until then they won't have to risk developing a full-blown series on an idea that might not stand up for a full season. I also think this idea might show the powers-that-be in Paramount and the general public the diversity that exists in STAR TREK. The flaw is not in the "franchise" but in the people who run the franchise. Be bold!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Captain Sulu

    by DougOtte

    The best idea would be: Nimoy as Exec Producer helming a 23rd century series w/ Captain Sulu. Rand & Uhura could be senior officers on the ship. They would command a young, volatile crew that would attract the youth demographic. Nimoy should produce since he really does know what made TOS special & he would have the best chance of reviving that magic. Sulu was always one of my favorite TOS characters & Takei deserves a chance to show what he can do. If Paramount is afraid of a series, float 2 or 3 TV movies & see how they do.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Trek Babies /A Pup Named James Tiberius Kirk

    by Gyrobot

    The fourth unmentioned option should be "Trek Babies" or "Trek Rats" . It follows the crew of the Enterprise when they were in diapers. Watch as they have lots of exciting, yet moralistic adventures in the Star Fleet kindergarten....

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 10:24 a.m. CST

    I'VE GOT IT! THE WAY TO SAVE THE SERIES! BRING BACK "SEX TREK!"

    by Uncapie

    SEX TREK! SEX TREK! SEX TREK! Think of the possiblities! Put it on late night cable, pay the actors next to nothing, Paramount will make a ton of dough! WOO-HOO!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Trek Option Three

    by Bloodclot

    I think the third option is the best. Up at the top of the thread, someone was discussing how it could be a series about origins-- where did the prime directive come from? what were space battles like before the the technology for visual ship-to-ship was invented? What was the first war with the Romulans like? Also at the top of the thread, someone complained about the premise, claiming that the series just wouldn't be interesting because it would be too bound by current continuity. It was also suggested that, since we know that there is a prosperous future for the federation, the element of suspense is take out of the equation. See, it just doesn't work that way. In the Original Series, the stakes were very rarely as high as "the continuation of existance as we know it." More often than not, they were trying to save the ship, or make a change for good in the universe, or (dare I say it) just EXPLORE SOMETHING NEW!! The third idea allows for this more than any of the others, and it puts exploration against an interesting backdrop. I go with number three.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Has to be the Excelsior

    by The Rabid Monkey

    By far the best current idea for a new Trek series has to be the Excelsior commanded by Hikaru Sulu. Also either at the start of the series or midway through the total series run they could finally finish off the Enterprise B with Sulu's daughter at the helm.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Either a Capt. Sulu or #3...

    by drcruz

    I am in SO MUCH agreement with either the Capt. Sulu / Excelsior adventores. This is EXACTLY what stupid Paramount should do, at the hight of tension between the Fed's and the Klingonss. There's a new game coming out Klingon Academy from Interplay and I think a Capt. Sulu/ Excelsior show would and KA would be such an AWESOME fit. If this isn't the case than the pre-TOS series should get the green light. It could be like "Das Boot" in space or like somebody else said "Apollo 13" in the 22nd (or is it 23rd???) century. C-Yah...

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 11:39 a.m. CST

    DIE STAR TREK DIE!!!

    by bswise

    Look, there's no "new" sci-fi concept that Paramount's Star Trek hasn't trotted out a zillion times and trashed along the way. Here's an episode from whatever "new" Star Trek they come up with: Wooden but affable cast members discover some rift in the space-time continuum while having drinks in a holodeck simulation of 20th century earth which turns out to be a highly evolved race of energy beings led by a renegade Star Fleet admiral who help them find a new mind-bending form of transportation/weapon which is forgotten about by the next episode but also causes all the androids/computers/cyborgs to develop and struggle with "feelings" - in the last five minutes, a space battle takes place in an ion storm with the ship seconds away from blowing up, the ship and crew shake around a bunch but at the last second the enemy is blown up while forging a mutual undertanding between some bumpy-headed aliens and oh the humanity.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Colon damage

    by Pomona88

    A thousand razorblades up the ass of anyone involved in producing a Starfleet Academy series or movie. Give Star Trek a rest until some real SF writers come up with some decent plots.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Remember that "Relativity"-Episode from Voyager?

    by Kachte

    I think it would be cool to make a new series about the adventures of the 29th century Federation Timeship Relativity!!!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Star Trek Series

    by JTMastermind

    To Harry and all else concerned on the website.. I have had an idea that would be great for a new Star Trek series. Of course I am an average schmo so I would probably never have a chance of making it see the light of day, so I will vent my frustration by sharing it here... I call it "Star Trek: Redemption" It is kinda like the second option on the article I just read regarding the three new Star Trek series. The way I see it is a captain on a kick butt federation starship (I would make it some sort of new prototype ship) ends up turning on the Federation during his initial mission with the ship. Of course through a series of extenuating circumstances he ends up seeing eye to eye with the Federation. The only problem is during the conflict he is basically disavowed by the federation. Somewhere at the end of the pilot episode the ship is somehow believed to be destroyed (and act which is faked by the crew). The captain (who I think would be really cool if they made him an android like Data yet advanced so that few of his crew members know he is an android) strikes a deal with a few key Starfleet personnel to allow him to basically do the dirty work of the federation secretly. In other words no one knows about him and his crew.. So they get different cool uniforms and stuff like that. Also, since this is sort of his redemtion for rebelling against the Federation then he renames the Starship the "Redemption". At least this is my idea and in my head it is pretty stinking cool!!!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 11:53 a.m. CST

    More bogus premises

    by Pomona88

    Star Trek origins? Yeah, let's find out that Scotty was the result of a virgin birth; that the Vulcan mind meld is facilitated by microscopic aliens called Midi-chlorians; that the Q always come in pairs; and that Uhura, as a child rendered in CGI, used to say "Ex-squeeze me" and "Meesa open da hailing frequencies." Oops, Lucas already used those bullshit ideas.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Why bother at all!

    by streker

    Im reminded by reading the responses to this news why Star Trek has slid in the first place! An original idea first needs an original audience! And most fans are unwilling to except anything but the tired wornout drivel poured forth from Paramount and called Star Trek! We need something new something not seen before! Not more retreaded Tv shows slicked up to look like Star Trek TNG! Take it someplace unexpected! And since were all giving Ideas why not an all Klingon show starting From kirk's time and moving forward every season until we reach the present trek time! A new show every season with a new cast and a new mission! After seven seasons Its over done! then we can have the entire current history of the empire and the Fedration from the Klingon point of veiw! Just a thought worth as much as all the rest!

  • All you Naysayers of Doom who think George Takei is a "wooden actor" and think The Adventures of Captain Sulu would be a crappy idea are judging this based on Sulu's appearance in the "Flashbacks" episode (or whatever it was called) of Voyager. Just like almost anything related to Voyager, it sucked. Just because the powers that be at Voyager didn't know how to utilize the Captain Sulu character doesn't mean the entire premise for a new story about Sulu and the Excelsior crew is doomed to failure. Look at the Sulu scenes in STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY which were virtually identical to the scenes in the Voyager episode, and you'll see the difference. The flaw is not with George Takei, but with the Voyager writers and producers. In the movie, the scenes were powerful, and Sulu kicked ass. In the TV episode, it was boring and poorly executed. They had Sulu sit on his ass and do nothing. Check out his performance in STAR TREK III and STAR TREK IV. Maybe that's Paramount's problem. They're judging the entire TREK franchise based on the performance of VOYAGER, rather than admit that VOYAGER is a failed premise.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Synthesis or Why Trek 90210 Would Rock

    by Anton_Sirius

    Idea #1: The TV movie idea is so painfully obvious I can't believe they're not already doing it. Let's see, the last time somebody tried that concept (the Action Pack or whatever the hell it was called) it intro'ed one cult show that didn't last (Forgotten Son), a couple of duds, and Hercules, which (along with its own spin-offs) made everyone oodles of money. Paramount's been stuck on what to do for a while now, so why not assign creative teams (try to avoid anyone whose last name begins with a 'B') to each idea they think has a chance, produce some three/four hour story arcs and let the ratings decide which one becomes a full show. Idea #2- The Academy idea is actually brilliant- if they DON'T focus on one group of cadets. Sleeping Sandman had it, somewhere up there. Mix in different characters- here's some episodes with a cadet named Kirk (and his Irish nemesis), here's a few more with Worf (who wouldn't want to see his days in the Academy?), Sisko (how'd he do in the Kobayashi Maru, I wonder?), Barkley, a young Uhura could get an episode... if they thought it was worth doing they could also introduce some new characters and see if they were interesting enough as a unit to give them their own show AFTER THEY GRADUATE. If not, well, dig out that young Spock four-parter they've got in reserve. TNG made the most money, as was pointed out, but TOS still has the most recognizable characters. Use both to your best advantage, Paramount.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 12:23 p.m. CST

    The dark horse candidates...

    by Deltahead

    First, the rejections. Option 1: Trek Academy. Someone above has already stated that such a series would lack any real drama. After many years of space exploration and interplanetary conflict, who wants to see teens on Earth struggle with finals? Option 3: First Generation. The big problem here is that it will always suffer in comparison to TOS. If they use Voyager-level FX (CGI, animatronics, etc.) it will have no retro feel. And if they do use old fashioned TV tech, it'll seem laughable. The bigger problem is, this idea could devolve quickly into a note-for-note TOS rip-off. How do you out-Kirk Kirk? ********************* Now, the possibilities: What happened to Star Trek: Phoenix? The one that was to take place in the future, after the downfall of the Federation? Combine that with Option 2 (after all, the Phoenix crew would have to be at least somewhat military to survive) and you've got potential. ********************** Remember, no matter what idea is taken, the WRITING is the key. Paramount has a long history of shitting on it's writers and crushing creative ideas. Stop. You're killing your own lifeline. Don't be afraid to bring in new WRITING talent, and don't let Berman or anyone else have final creative control. Peace.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 12:26 p.m. CST

    I think I'll change my ID to Darth Narf

    by narf

    Y'know... The "Darth" thing is getting kinda old. Here's the most obvious choice for a new "Trek" series (which nobody has even talked about yet): How about the Enterprise "B" or "C"? All the stuff that happened after the original series, but BEFORE TNG. Brilliant! And you wouldn't have to worry about how to eventually end the series, because the ships' fates have already been decided. Make them into two 3-year series, and PRESTO! We're back in business. Hail Satan.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 12:33 p.m. CST

    StarTrek: Empire

    by Butterbur

    To reiterate in brief my takes on the above -- the current Berman era doesn't rise to the level of any of the Roddenberry-era, none of the ideas presented have great appeal alone, any of them might work with new leadership and better writing. Would like the Sulu/Excelsior idea, the Timeship Relativity idea. But here's my idea, and sorry, folks, I know this idea has only limited appeal and will go nowhere. After seeing the episodes of TNG and DS9 offering wide glimpses into Klingon-dom, I'd like to see a StarTrek: Empire centered on the Klingons. Probably not enough material for a series, perhaps a movie or mini-series. Chancellor Martok dealing with leading his warrior race into an era of cooperation, fighting against pockets of warmongers wanting to recapture the glory of the old Empire, rebuilding after the dominion war, sparring with their erstwhile allies the Romulans.... Then again, maybe not. Whacha think? Barliman Butterbur, proprietor, The Prancing Pony

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Thanks for clearing it up, Warrior.

    by Kikstad

    I guess we just have a different opinion, which is cool. I still think Takei's VOYAGER apearance was more the director's, producer's, writer's fault than the actor's fault. My personal opinion is that based on the other screen moments I've seen him perform, George Takei is a pretty good charismatic actor. (His sword-weilding romp in "The Naked Time" episode is one of my favorites, and far from wooden.) He's no Lawrence Olivier, but then again neither are Shatner or Stewart (as much as they'd like to believe that they are). But the bottomline is (and someone else said this above) -- the key to any new TREK, no matter what the premise, is GOOD WRITING!!! Heck, even VOYAGER could work if they'd just come up with some creative new ideas. Make something good enough for the fans, and the mainstream audiences will eventually come. Most of the TREK movies made money. After getting cancelled, the original TREK series attracted millions of people in syndication. After the first couple of panned seasons, NEXT GENERATION became a huge mainstream success. So the powers that be have to take some chances, hire some GOOD writers, and let the chips fall where they may.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Final bit of advice for Paramount, and then I'm outta here...

    by Kikstad

    Watch a couple of episodes of FARSCAPE on the Sci-Fi Channel. TREK needs to be revitalized by original ideas -- unpredictable, creative plots, strange new worlds, cool new aliens, action, human characters we care about. TREK has 30 years of history behind it -- tap into that and hire some writers/producers who care about it and are willing to give the fans something fresh and exciting. Peace out. -- Nick

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:04 p.m. CST

    What's up with those Priceline.com adds?

    by Knight says"Ni"

    I can't tell if Shatner is making fun of himself again or if he's being serious? Either way, they're hilarious. (But, please, Bill--take a water pill.)

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:08 p.m. CST

    the warior is is correct!

    by streker

    Indeed in the long history of Star Trek many roads have been worn smooth by the footfalls of other's! Including the people who write for Star Trek in the first place! And for the record I never said I wasn't a Star Trek fan! I think that when its at its best its the best out there in terms of Sci-Fi! As for any kind of Star trek appealing to a larger audience that day is long past and will never happen! Star Trek is joke others tell to amuse themselves! The fans are considered luntics at best! The creator of the show is thought of a an Idea thief who was only iterested in the cash that it brought him! The stars for years held the fans in contemp! The owners of the franchise as they call it! See it only as a cash cow to be milked until dry so you know where there coming from! All I was saying is take the franchise somewhere new! Away from the tired TNG formula I don't care where when or how as long as some gleaming white super ship isn't at the heart of the show every week! That as someone said above defeat is a part of life but you wouldn't know that to watch the moderen Star Trek! Lets see something new!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:21 p.m. CST

    All 3 suck

    by Khan Singh

    The first is the worst by far!! The second is the "A-Team" in space. And the third would be very hard to do in a way that fans would accept. How do you get rid of all that technology we all have come to think of when we hear the title "Star Trek", and then expect the fans to be happy with it? I don't think it would work. By far the best idea is the rumor that was on the web last summer, "Star Trek, The adventures of Captain Sulu". They could have them trying to perfect the TransWarp drive and it's malfunctions keep dropping them in unexpected places and situations. If noone buys that idea, promote Picard and bring back Riker as the Captain of the Enterprise E. Or do another skip ahead in time and make it about the Enterprise J with the Federation recovering from a final war in which the Borg were defeated. Anything but 90210 in space please!!!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:25 p.m. CST

    How about a remake of the Doomsday Machine staring the IRON GIAN

    by Knight says"Ni"

    YEAH!...The IRON GIANT can be the bad guy, running amok, destroying planets. Then bring back Kirk to fly a shuttlecraft up its tailpipe AND BLOW THE MOTHERFUCKER TO SMITHEREENS!!!! Then Kirk can tractor beam its dented head back to Starfleet Acadamy, to be displayed on campus as a fountain or something. BRILLIANT!!! HAAAA!!! HAAAA!!!! Fuck, I crack myself up! Oops! Gotta go

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Next Star Trek series Idea

    by spice runner

    There is another possibility that has been overlooked. With the exception of the Original Star Trek, every series since has had visits from the future by Star fleet Personnel. They usually all were there to fix a mess that has the potential to change the timeline. Why not base the series on that generation it could easily be used to introduce old series characters and bring in the navy seal type characters to insert into past timelines, all the while trying not to be detected which could damage the timeline.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Warrior, thanks

    by Deltahead

    That's great news about Andromeda... it's just a shame that it couldn't be a ST series... ah well. Do you know when it'll start airing? And on what channel? Peace.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Star Trek new series

    by chrisd

    There are at least two problems here: a good concept, and means to execute it (i.e. good writers, producers,etc.) If we could remove B and B, and use the DS9 writers and and a good concept, maybe. There is still a lot to work with: for example, the Cardassian situation: some interesting parallels to Japan after WWII. I would like to see more about Vulcans. Vulcans in ST: TOS were interesting: i.e. Spock. In later series, they just did not know what to do with them. The idea of really presenting Vulcan pre-history: hordes of Vulcans killing each other just by mind power: demons on a burning red landscape: a literal Hell. Spock on Romulus; the funeral of Admiral McCoy (as a tribute to DeForest Kelley), etc. A lot of ideas present themselves: could be good if prepared correctly. But I don't know if anything really live up to what we fans can imagine. Not that we have better ideas or writing ability (although we may), but what we imagine in Star Trek we tailor make for ourselves,each of us take what we like from Star Trek: the characters, the stories, the ships, whatever. It's hard to come up with anything to match that as a series. Try to present a lot of different ideas, like an anthology, and the ratings (which is what THEY care about) would not be there. In a series, they have to strike a balance, which usually means lowest common denominator. And I know the writers work hard; I couldn't come up with material week in, week out. But Star Trek needs an evangelist,a crusader, a leader, with several talented people to make it happen. That's what ST:TOS had (at least, in the beginning) and it hit at just the right time. Maybe Star Trek should rest, but I miss it, and want it back.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Let it be.................TWO !

    by RobinP

    Sounds the most promising of the three. In fact, One is the suckiest of the three, and three.......well......just doesn't work. We'd have the TPM problem of "how come everything in the past looks more futuristic that the future" when compared to original "Trek".

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Number 2 please

    by Shadione

    I think the other two have potential, but I agree that the first would probably end up being teen melodrama, and the third just doesn't interest me, mainly because it doesn't advance the timeline. I've always thought something like the second would be the next way to go. DS9 hinted at the dark underbelly of the federation, I'd like a series that dives right into that and shows the consequences of having that level of idealism in a real and dangerous galaxy. I'm not saying it should tear apart what Star Trek has built, on the contrary, I think if written well it could re-affirm the idea, showing the noble sacrifices made by those who are willing to protect Federation idealism even when it costs them their own. Anyway, anything would be better than the implausible and generally poorly written Voyager. What's it been? 5 years with no support and that ship doesn't have a scratch on it! That series had so much potential and they ruined it by treating it like a normal Trek in space.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:10 p.m. CST

    My thoughts..

    by Chapaev

    In my opinion, all 3 premises suck. Since when did it became absolutely necessary for a Trek series premise to be a rip off of some already existing show? Trek:90210?!!!...Mission:Impossible in space?!! Do we really need this bullshit? OK, Paramount probably thinks that choosing a thematic premise would lead to new plot possibilities, new twists in the old tales, etc. But why can't they do another basic,neutral starship or space station-based exploration premise (like the ones in the Original Series,TNG and,to some extent,DS9 and Voyager) and add whatever they like (commandos,etc) in standalone episodes or on a story arc basis later on? And leave room for other ideas? Going ahead with premises like the 3 mentioned above means throwing away all the storyline possibilities that don't conform to the set guidelines. That could mean abandoning lots of good stuff... And as for that Birth of the Federation thing - it sounds promising, but, somehow, I'd prefer seeing a new version of,say,USS Enterprise rather than some underpowered predecessor. I also happen to like many of the TNG and DS9 alien races and would like to see them in a new Trek show - not exactly plausible with this early Federation premise... Here's my opinion on what the future of Trek franchise should be like: 1) Only forward - Trek's about the future and there's no point in going back to some earlier era of that imaginary future.. 2) No commitment to a specific genre or storyline - Trek's always been a bit of an anthology show and it should stay that way...

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:53 p.m. CST

    differences between 2 and 3

    by Gordon Shumway

    The third idea if done well would be the best one and the truest to Star Trek. As mentioned above, First Contact was exciting despite that we knew he had to make the warp flight or it would erase all of Star Trek and be very weird for the audience. Again, I say if done well, because exploring the universe is still a fascination of humanity, but seeing the same cave set and different foreheads every week isn't. The second idea has a lot of potential, but so did Voyager (which is having a great season this year, everyone should watch). Don't forget that Deep Space Nine started with a wormhole that would expand exploration, just as Voyager tried to do. However, DS9 got good at the second season finale when we finally met the Dominion. The continuing storylines of the war and how it affected PEOPLE made the show the best of Trek. Remember when Odo found the baby Changeling and his "father" came to the station? That episode had nothing to do with war, except the baby goo reminding us that it was an enemy, but even enemies can forgive. Voyager's greatest episodes revolve around massive battles, but rarely do we see people still coping with victories or losses the next week. If the second idea is used, they couldn't use the reset button every week. The first idea... um... no.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 2:56 p.m. CST

    The Third Option

    by Ben Maxwel

    The third option would be the best. I always enjoy reading the few novels that are about the early days of Star Trek. It would also be interesting if they started from World War III and worked up from there until the launch of the Enterprise as I have read other people say. I know that lots of Star Trek fans have wanted to know about World War III and all early contacts and think that this would be a excellent series.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 3:22 p.m. CST

    #2 has potential

    by TalkingKat

    A "navey seals" trek sounds pretty exiting and original. Hopefully they will delve more into the orion syndicate and section 31. But whatever they do, lets hope they follow in the footsteps of ds9 giving us characters we care about and the continuing story of the alpha quadrent. Maybe it will even star an admerial!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 3:31 p.m. CST

    This guy maybe 'Jasper Sitwell' but I'm 'Jasper Stillwell' , let

    by jasper Stillwell

    Lets just give this Star Trek thing a rest, huh? It needs a to recharge and redefine itself for the 21st century rather than sink into the soap opera its become. BUT if I gotta choice I'll go for the last one. It'll be interesting seein' 'em thread their way through established Trek 'lore' and get us away from a potential yawnsome macho, hardass bullshit scenario...but let's remember, in case I wanna post some info, it's Stillwell, NOT 'Sitwell'.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 4:40 p.m. CST

    First Things First...

    by Weasel

    The very first thing that needs to be done is to put the franchise to sleep for a miniumum of five years - ten would be even better. Ban the conventions. Ban the production of those godawful "novels" that make up a good 50% of science fiction sections in bookstores across America. Stop the re-runs on television of anything "Trek." And please call a halt to those insulting so-called Star Trek "movies" that seem to get worse and worse as time goes on. The next generation TV series was one of the high points of the Trek franchise until Paramount's overweening greed corrupted it with those unbelievably terrible films. It's gotten to the point where even ardent fans like myself need a deep-cleansing Star Trek enema, something to flush the bad taste out of our collective mouths. At the end of ten years start fresh. Yes, with something like the second premise that was suggested - not so much a "Mission: Impossible" in space as much as a "Matrix" in space. Can you imagine a group of four or five genetically-engineered, biologically-enhanced trouble-shooters (think "Trinity" in the "Matrix") kicking butt behind the scenes in the deepest, darkest underbelly of the Federation. I've always loathed Roddenberry's beloved "vision" of a galaxy at peace where everything is solved through diplomacy and understanding and empathy. I find it boring and unrealistic. In this universe of ours there are always going to be competing philosophies, lifestyles, etc. among sentient creatures, some so extreme that one simply cannot allow the other to exist. There will always be war, murder and genocide. And a damn good thing, too! Conflict is the the very stuff of creation, the engine that drives creativity and invention! Okay, now after acquiring a solid premise, the next thing is to get some decent damn writers. Please! If you read books like Bruce Sterling's SCHISMATRIX, Greg Egan's DIASPORA, or Stephen Baxter's VACUUM DIAGRAMS you will come to understand how utterly bereft the ST franchise is terms of ideas or imagination. The writers I just mentioned delve into mind-shattering ideas that Star Trek couldn't touch on its best day alive. Please, Paramount, no more "Hey, let's dress Data up like Sherlock Holmes and put him on the Holodeck..." Loosen up those purse-strings, guys, and contract out in otder to get some decent writers. The Star Trek Universe is not dead. Indeed, it has become so complex that it is full to bursting with ideas (if they're done properly), but the Paramount people apparently have never heard the story of the goose that laid the golden egg...

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 4:46 p.m. CST

    STAR TREK

    by Funk4America

    They should just have an ongoing show called Star Trek that could encompass all that has come before and introduce new people stories and locations in a soap opera type format- That would be simple, awesome, and just a little too obvious to think of. It doesn't have to be a premise show at all, and if something is not working on the show they could change focus without losing continuity.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Trek Commandos: FINALLY, a decent sounding idea

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    OK, it's not terribly original, but the third idea does sound the best, and it could incorporate elements from the Academy idea (i.e. younger, sexier cast). BUT only if this series is executed properly. This could be the Starship Troopers or Aliens of Trek. However, I hope if they do go ahead with it, Berman et al don't wimp out and give us yet another "talk show" Trek show (TNG, DS9 and now VOY). Remember those tough commando Feds they showed on DS9? Those are the type of characters needed for this. And they should be armed with heavy artiliary -- not wussy phasers -- and have at their disposal small combat-ready, stealthy vehicles (space craft that aren't simply shuttle-like in design, and landcraft). And there needs to be ACTION. Now if there are those of you who think such a series would not at all be Trek and go against everything Trek stands for, look at it this way: TOS was relevant during its time for mirroring and commenting upon the Cold War. A Trek marines type of series, produced and written well, could serve as a perfect analogy to America's present-day military might but how many of its enemies work against it in stealth. There would be plenty of moral issues to delve into in such an action series, if the producers and writers approach the concept from this angle. This is why VOY and DS9 for the most part feel irrelevant: Their concepts don't parallel or address anything obviously happening in the real world, like TOS did.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 5:14 p.m. CST

    I like the 3rd one

    by mpassmore

    The 1st one is too limiting like Deep Space Nine was, aside from the 90120 comparisons which have always turned me off. The 2nd IS a kick-ass concept,and would be exciting, but for me, Navy Seals in space was never what Star Trek was about. The 3rd concept opens up the door for cool "retro" designs and puts the "strange new worlds" and "to bodly go where no man has gone before" back into the franchise. Yes, I know Voyager is in unknown space, which is why I enjoy that series. Next Generation always seemed to be too much a trip around the block for me. But the 3rd concept would put the excitement of exploration back into the voyages. Technology would still be new and untested. Technobable would be at a minimum compared to the past 3 series and everything about their travel would be "by the skin of their teeth". Lot's of good dramatic potiential here. Of course, any of the 3 ideas could succeed or fail depending on the execution of the production. Whichever one they choose, it needs to break away from the past 3 series and recapture chemistry, drama and groundbreaking ideas of the original series.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 5:44 p.m. CST

    What about ST:TNG:TNG?

    by snoop

    I think the most successful series (from a $$ standpoint and in many fans) is The Next Generation. To me it seems the obvious thing to do would be to scrap the feature films for a few years and bring on the adventures of the Enterprise-E with Captain Riker at the helm. (I would love to see Picard but I don't see Patrick Stewart wanting to tie himself back in this role every week) This would allow any of the TNG characters who wish to return to thier roles the chance to do so, or to do guest roles if they choose to do so (this will also mean they will have a built in audience to watch off the bat), but it will also leave plenty of room for new characters, races etc. Get all new writers so even the cross-over characters will have new aspects to them, and so any of the new crew won't be a cookie-cutter clone of missing TNG characters. Then Syndicate the show like TNG so local stations can show it at better times that UPN seems to choose half the time (and a lot of people don't even get UPN to watch Voyager.) Well thats my 2 cents. Evan

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Regardless, you know they'll pick 1

    by JimD

    Version 2 is best of these 3 IMO, but too violent in nature for Pollyanna ST. Version 3 wont fly cause Young Indiana Jones didn't last. 90120 is a big shoe (hey, that's a pun in two ways) and regardless of the fact that Version 1 is the stupidest idea of the 3, its the safest bet to churn out bubblegum crap that keeps the teenies tuned in. Expect more sterile hallways and space ships, more phony plastic weapons (if any) and more heroic acts of impossibility by green recruits who will rarely be seen studying anything more than the anatomy of others. More happy clean Utopia and big bright empty Starship Trooper smiles in the face of immenent doom. Oh joy. I can't wait to be proven wrong!!!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 6:22 p.m. CST

    LOOK HERE PEOPLE!

    by ObiWanKenobi1138

    If idea one is 90210 in space, then two is La Femme Nakita in space! Or Rainbow Six in space. It could be cool but lets get back to Gen Rodenberry!!!!!! THE CLASSICS of what Star Trek was. Befor Voyager came along and gave it the worst raiping since star trek V. People number 3 is an ingenius Idea. With all of the Star Wars prequel success lets go with 3. But I doubt it will go through. Best of luck to you all. -ObiWanKenobi1138

  • Remember SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND? A team of elite troops called in to secure hotspots and resolve dangerous situations? It's been done, and it had its moments. SA&B was well funded and took that format to various limits yet still collapsed under its own weight. I fear that idea #2 would be pretty much like Trek 90210 (shallow relationships among adolescents pumped with testosterone and trapped behind enemy lines) except with plenty of explosions and phaser fire to draw in the TNT Nitro and WCW audiences. Reluctantly, I have to say that idea #3 sounds like the best though, for what it's worth, it needs to be elaborated before it gets my individual approval. It would have to tackle some considerable continuity problems to succeed. Those persons who suggested that Trek take a break ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY! As far as DS9 goes, I consider it a fair success though it deserves chastisement for taking so long to find its stride and especially for its unsatisfactory conclusion. Babylon 5 merits similar response from me; commendable but also unsatisfying in the end. Unfortunately, rather than offering Paramount an insentive to reapproach and improve Trek in the face of competition, Paramount seems to have adopted the notion that the answer to "Trek fatigue" is bigger and better excuses to blow things up. My opinion is that that is all idea #2 would be.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 6:27 p.m. CST

    #2 with a ship

    by Shadione

    Idea number 2 is my favorite, as I mentioned earlier, but I want to clarify something. It should be aboard a ship, with a crew, not just a group of roaming commandos. They need a bad ass stealth ship that kicks major butt. I see this as the kind of show that lets you know what's 'really' going on in the Star Trek universe, ripe with political intrigue, and with really hardcore, interesting characters. The Romulans should be the centerpiece race, like the Klingons and Cardassians were in DS9. To me the second option is a variation of the classic formula, which is what makes it so interesting. But listen up, Paramount! Get it right! Voyager was an excellent chance to see how a crew would reconcile their need to survive with their Federation ideals, but it fails at that because it refuses to take its own premise seriouslly. They miraculously escape from every scenario with their idealism barely tested, their ship somehow miraculously repaired, and their crew the picture of Federation excellence, despite the fact that they must be grossly understaffed at this point. And what about the Marquis crew members? They sure fell in line easy enough. Why even bother to add that element? Voyager remains a practically stress-free paradise in space, seemably unaffected by its long absence from the Federation, other than a few crew members are lonely. Picard must have been completely inept, he had to get the Enterprise serviced at space stations all the time! Ok, maybe I'm being nit-picky here. Maybe this is an area where the real world need-not apply, but to me without taking advantage of those elements in Voyager what you're basically doing is creating a Star Trek show that by its very nature cannot benefit from the history of Star Trek. Anybody remember the "Year of Hell" episode? The entire Voyager series should have been like that, with no miraculous time travel to make it all better. 'That' would have been a show worth watching. 'That' crew was a group of people to look up to.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 6:37 p.m. CST

    ST:TNG:TNG and Space: A&B

    by Shadione

    A new Enterprise with a mostly new crew with Riker as captain? Now 'that's' an idea I can get behind! As far as the comparisons between idea 2 and Space: Above and Beyond, there is one key difference. The Star Trek universe! Space was ok, but the universe it was based in was a real snooze. Take that same idea, give the commandos a ship, and put it in Star Trek and you've got something. Just because it's been done in other series doesn't mean anything. 'Everything' has been done in some form or another.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Star Trek is deader than Star Wars

    by primemover

    Hey--the original series was innovative. You had an appealing multi-racial crew exploring the galaxy, touching on controversial issues(Vietnam)etc. Then the movies came which never really captured the spirit of the series...but werent all bad either. Then you had TNG--great effects--unappealing characters. In order to do anything in the movies--they had to alter the characters from the tv show to make them more adventuresome. And it hasnt worked that well. They dont have charisma or charm, as Nicholas Meyer said fot he original cast. It also used technobabble to get out of trouble--and had very little conflict between the characters. DS9--had some interesting characters...started promising--but got too NG-ish, and really ended flat. Voyager--it had its good points-(the first couple of appearances of Species 8472 were a shot in the arm for it--but then they blew it with that covert starfleet infiltration thing) New series ideas. The second seems the most fresh--BUT I would agree with those who say the series needs to rest. I also like the idea of a future trek where the Federation is gone. But ST has overextended itself. At least Roddenberry got to see it end on a decent note(with ST 6) and wasnt around to watch it collapse. By contrast Lucas is doing a wonderful job of destroying his franchise. As for B5--I watched this show after it had ended, all five seasons..It was damn well written--characters like G'kar and Londo were better developed than any of the characters on NG, DS9 or V. It just made ST and SW look all the more worse by comparison.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Mirror Universe

    by Ayrik

    Hey, how about a Star Trek show based in the mirror universe, where we could have our favorite characters guest star as evil villians, and...naw, that'd suck too. *sigh*

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Pre-TOS would've been good...

    by Neil

    ... but I don't trust them at all ever since they let Ron Moore out of their fingers. DS9 continued the spirit that a show like that would need. Basically I don't trust the people writing VOY with their own show, even less to take on the delicate balance of retro and modern needed to make a pre-TOS series all that it could be. The Academy? Roddenberry created TNG the way it was specifically to keep that from happening. Now, I don't think we need to worship every half-a-thought the man ever said, as some fans indeed do, but to put that on seems a little insulting; almost purposely so. The Navy SEALs style show could work, but its not my cup-of-tea. *sigh*

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Ehh..

    by Sorcerer

    None of 'em seem particularly exciting. 1 *could* work, but given the oversaturation of teen-oriented shows on TV, it's probably not a good idea. 2 sounds like the sort of Buck Rogers shoot-em-up that STAR TREK was created in response to. (I know you're not supposed to end sentences with prepositions, but you try rearranging that.) Nothing wrong with those, except that as a TREK series it'd be a waste of potential. 3 sounds the most promising, sort of. The "prequel" idea seems a bit overdone given that other major sci fi franchise doing that right about now, but it has potential depending on the specific plotline. I do have some ideas (don't we all). First, get new writers. It's not that the ones right now are horrible, but they've been involved with the show too long. The franchise needs new blood. Second, could these new writers be ones with some knowledge of the original series? The Borg and the Dominion are fine by me, but I wanna know why we never heard anything more from the Tholians or the Gorn. How are they stopping people from getting to the Guardian of Forever and erasing history? What about those weird rock-dudes that staged a contest between good and evil? A new series doesn't have to constantly reference the past, but a few more nods would be nice. How about a series set during the period of the original movie series (I-VI), with the appropriate look ( from II-VI, mind you- the outfits in the first one were embarassing) and feel? I don't know what it would be about, but hey, I'm not writing it.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Would everyone please stop criticising DS9....

    by Chapaev

    I think DS9's just as good as TNG,definitely better than Voyager. In short - it's THE Trek show of the 90s,whether Trek fans like it or not. Which is the coolest,most legendary Trek starship of the decade? Voyager? Unlikely..It's the Defiant,isn't it? Not bad for a show that isn't even starship-based..DS9 had great actors, intricate storylines, awesome design...And it simply doesn't deserve all those criticisms.Being different is DS9's only misdemeanor...

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 7:07 p.m. CST

    How about this for a Star Trek series??

    by Bobby Virtue

    Here's the concept....we dig up a character that we don't know too much about, get some bad sets and crappy plot ideas and the rest writes itself! my thinking is that they should do something called 'Star Trek: Rehabilitation'....it could confront issues regarding susbstance abuse in the 23rd century.....get grace lee whitney to reprise both of her roles.....as lt. cmd. janice rand, and the junked-out druggie who spent most of the 70's in hospitals and opium bars.... hell, if they make a show like that, maybe it could spin off into movies...maybe robert downey and charlie sheen could get on board.....and river phoenix's corpse.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Story second, protagonists first.

    by pyrds

    All three ideas seem desperate - desperately derivative and desperately uninspiring. It seems to me that to get Star Trek right it is not the plot premise that counts but the characterisation. Why Star Trek and Next Generation worked was because of the originality of the main characters and their interplay: it had nothing to do with what they were supposed to be doing in space. Think again.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 8:06 p.m. CST

    door #2

    by humble

    star trek needs a completely different slant. we've seen it all . i agree on the race that kicked the borgs butt, what a great series that would be. with just a bit of star fleet on the side, a different point of view. seals in space. let's do it.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Third idea the best

    by Doctor X

    The last idea is THEE BEST! I have always said that a good idea for a series would be to set it about a few years just after the very first one. I would give it a retro look. Nostalgic. And it would be perfect to explain how the Klingons ended up looking so different. Face it. We want them to be the bad guys! We could see how the federation evolved from the first series to what it was with TNG...and best off all...no one would have to deal with all the messed up shit that stupid fucker Rick Berman made. Man, that Jack Ass has made it NOT Ster Trek in every way shape and form. Uniform...ship...character...the whole look isn

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 8:17 p.m. CST

    2nd

    by mmm_free_wig

    The second idea does sound the best, it has potential, like any premise really. It just needs good characters and varying storylines. I may cop some crap here, but Voyager isn't that bad, I got into Trek with first contact, and have been watching new ST:TNG with Voyager since 96, and Voyager wins easily, although that doesn't take anything away from TNG. Take the best episodes from each series, The best of both worlds and Scorpian. Which one wins? The Riker and silly aspiring women Vs. Seven and Janeway/Wankotay story lines has to be given to the latter. But there is still a lot of shit in Voyager, but good stuff too. Its worth sitting through some tripe to get some decent stuff isn't it? There isn't any perfect series, even the simpsons has its half bad moments. Oh yeah.. Buffy, I stand corrected!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 8:17 p.m. CST

    2nd

    by mmm_free_wig

    The second idea does sound the best, it has potential, like any premise really. It just needs good characters and varying storylines. I may cop some crap here, but Voyager isn't that bad, I got into Trek with first contact, and have been watching new ST:TNG with Voyager since 96, and Voyager wins easily, although that doesn't take anything away from TNG. Take the best episodes from each series, The best of both worlds and Scorpian. Which one wins? The Riker and silly aspiring women Vs. Seven and Janeway/Wankotay story lines has to be given to the latter. But there is still a lot of shit in Voyager, but good stuff too. Its worth sitting through some tripe to get some decent stuff isn't it? There isn't any perfect series, even the simpsons has its half bad moments. Oh yeah.. Buffy, I stand corrected!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Star Trek: Defender

    by Methuselah

    Did you people know that one of the considered ideas was Star Trek: Defender? It was supposed to follow the Dominion War, centering around some admiral in commmand of some battle group or other. Sorry I couldn't be more specific though. Also, I DO like the idea of Star Trek: Special Forces, I can only hope it turns out as good as Space: Above and Beyond did though.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 8:49 p.m. CST

    The Only Good New Series is NO New Series

    by Darth Pablo

    I know a lot of people have posted this earlier, but Trek is dead. Trek is just bad SciFi. The writers continuously rehash old ideas and always use some inane technobabble in the last 5 minutes to extracate the crew from that weeks problem. Add a dramatically oversimplified moral lesson and then push the reset button for next week's episode. Thats a Trek episode. Voyager takes this formula to the max and that's why it sucks the worst of the serieses. As to the possible new shows. Number 1 is a horrible idea, Dawson's Creek and ST appeal to completely different audiences, plus it will be a stretch to get interesting stuff to happen to the cadets every week. Number 2 is a good idea for a scifi series, but it ain't Star Trek and is completely different from Roddenberry's concept for the ST. Number 3 is just too limited. I agree with the poster above that the writers will feel compelled to show us somebody's great-great grandfather of grandmother every week. The Klingons won't be that interesting because they already know most everything about them and that they wind up allies of the Federation. Plus the mystery with the Romulans will feel forced since we already know who they are. Also, with regard to the Robert April and Sulu ideas, that only holds appeal to a few diehard trekkies and those series would die a quick death. So to some up this overly long and rambling post, forget Trek and lets see some new Sci Fi serieses.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Re: KACHTMAN, I second that premise!! I.E. RELATIVITY

    by Clavius

    My fiancee and I were just discussing that very premise for a new Trek series. And hey how about this for a spin? Make GARY SEVEN (I.E. "Assignment Earth" -TOS) one of the crewmembers. Although they would have to cast someone else obviously. But I still dig the whole Timeship Relativity idea, since it was the only good Voyager episode to date.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 9:33 p.m. CST

    They should use STAR TREK: NEW FRONTIER

    by MilkFromACow

    Have any of you read the NEW FRONTIER novels by Peter David. Seems like this guy has some very refreshing ideas and some really awesome stories.

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Is That Your Final Frontier?

    by Sultana

    I believe the best new premise would be a Klingon quiz show hosted by Philbin Kokar Klatuk called "Who Wants To Torture A Federation Officer" in which evil Klingons of the old school (all self-respectable Klingons should be evil, none of these kinder gentler Klingons allowed) vie for the inestimable pleasure (and status) of torturing a captured Federation officer live on the Interplanetary Klingon Kable Network ("IKKNe") Long live Philbin Kokar Klatuk!! Long live the House of Philbin Kokar Klatuk!!!

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Well..i see it...

    by Twisted Mentat

    Trek is kinda like canada...it trys really hard to be nice, and pleasant..and in that...it ends up being rather lame (i'm talkiong about the canadian goverment, and their idea of what canada is...). Anyways..i think idea #2 is the best, because, as was said before, its not much like trek. Its along the lines of the other big syndicated shows...at least action wise, not the underdressed women wise. It leaves the room to be action packed, while also being suspensful and dipolmatic. Have some eps that require someone being killed to win...not giving some speech about how wonderful concept X is...

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 10:50 p.m. CST

    outlaws

    by beosker

    I would like to see a series with a premise similar to the situation that the original crew found themselves in Star Trek III and IV. A small crew, outlaws from the federation, maybe wrongly accused, with a small stolen ship,maybe a defiant class, with them running from a federation hunters, searching for something or someone

  • Jan. 13, 2000, 10:52 p.m. CST

    ...do not a prison make

    by Jack Parsons

    A few things: *** a Special Forces show? NO, Darnit... the fanboys for the last 33 or so have got the wrong idea. The Great Bird did NOT want an "enemy" race or force in his series. The network forced his hand to create standard villans, the Klingons, to create more militaristic/heroic episode material. He wanted to lose the cowboy and indian mentality so common on TV then. He'd spin thinking they were turning it into "Combat: 2400". *** Starfleet Academy? Space Cadet? Nope. No, god, no. *** A pre-1st-series show? Um, too sophisticated for TV... smacks of... dare we say it... history? Too intellectual. *** Wrapup thought: I've been hearing about the failed quality of ST's various shows a lot... as a sometime viewer, and old fan, I watched some shows with less jaundiced eyes. Know what? The quality did not drop, the acting is not subpar nowadays. It's the same, or better. What has happened, boys and girls, is that the show has been mined to death, and no one really cares anymore. Predictible. And, blasphemy, the orignal shows weren't great SF anyway... just good sci-fi. An SF show would have the enormous possibilites inherent in the SF literature. Star Trek is "sci-fi", derivative pseudo-scientific nonsense. It's about humans, no matter how many antenna the "aliens" sprout. They all speak American English, have our emotions, understand our philosophy, breathe our air, eat food like us. BORING. A flaw throughout the series. Where the hell are real aliens? Where's the science? Where, in the name of Heinlein, are the bloody space suits? Where is the hallmark of the best SF: the "sense of wonder"? ST is not SF, which would fire its blood: it's just us through a strange mirror, reflected with a plywood wall in the background. *** But I loved the old series anyway. What a great run it had! It's Star Trek. It was fun. But, give it some new ideas, make it SF, give it some wonder!

  • Jan. 14, 2000, midnight CST

    By Grabthar's Hammer!

    by desslok

    Screw Star Trek - the series has sucked for years. It started out lame for the first two seasons, started sucking at season six, and I gave up when everyone turned into spiders and crap like that. Give me Galaxy Quest on TV of Star Drek any day! Writers who KNOW the key to a good Star Trek story - strong writing, and the ability to have fun with the universe.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Let's try STAR TREK: KLINGON EMPIRE

    by Suspiria Part 2

    Paramount should try an alternate angle: set the series aboard a Klingon Bird of Prey and explore how Klingons conduct their exploration and first contacts. It would be a facinating concept, especially if they put a serious edge to it. Perhaps they could include an officer exchange program into the story line, giving conflict between the run-and-gun Klingons and the Starfleet officer assigned as an observer. As for the three ideas, #3 would be the best if they approached it with with the same efforts seen in DS9'S "Trails and Tribulations. We want the old ships, uniforms, lighting and retro feel back, using touches of today's effects!!!!

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Deep Space 90210?

    by Joe Campbell

    The first and second ideas suck, but the third could be interesting. I felt Voyager lost it when they reniged on the whole purpose of going to the Delta quadrent to begin with. I thought the reason was because it was a return to the mission of Star Trek, to search out new lifeforms and new civilizatios, to boldly go where no man has gone before. Instead the writers chose to return to the well beaten path and created Janeway's Island (sit right back and you'll hear a tale...) instead of giving them the agenda of exploration. The original and TNG did it, but DS9 was just about a bunch of people stuck on a space station being pissed off at each other. Voyager from the start was about a bunch of whiney castaways. Long saga short, to get back to the basics, via the third idea might prove to be a lot of fun.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Deep Space 90210?

    by Joe Campbell

    An idea Ive been mulling over is a show based on a totally inept crew of delinquents that pilot a peice of junk ragtag vessel for the federation. The whole mood of the show is lighter in nature, more like the off the wall eps. of TNG. The captain of the ship passed through Starfleet (I know the fanboys will not buy this) because his grandfather is an old senile Starfleet Admiral that still has a lot of clout in Starfleet. So they stuck him on a ship whith a bunch of delinquents and otherwise loosers that starfleet doesnt want to deal with. They are sent on stupid, senseless missions just to keep them out of the way. Also, Starfleet suffered a great loss with the war against the Dominion and they use whatever they can get. I picture the captain to be David Arquette of someone similar. Someone very nieve and irresponcible. For fun, well everything is fun to him, but on his free time he runs a holodeck simulation of mowing grass and doing other medial tasks. I can see him mowing perfectly straight lines across an endless flat plain with a cheap snapper lawn mower. when it comes down to it, he always eeks by, winning every encounter through dumb luck. The others on the ship are equally disfunctional. The ships doc is constantly making himself high using the tricorder. The first mate is so rigid and idealistic in his application of Starfleet protocol that he is usually incompasitated. The chief engineer hates the captain and is continually devising bizarre and complex methods of killing him off. Well you get the idea. I would like to bounce this around and get some feedback.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Sorry, "Warrior. . "

    by Sith Lord Jesus

    . . .but your ideas about TREK are exactly what's wrong with the damn thing. "I want to see a guy go back in time via the use of an unexplained magical device, fall in love with a social worker who's going to change history in the most naive, unbelievable, politically-unsophisticated piece of historical babble/explanation you can imagine, and then make a tragic sacrifice to set things right." Whoo-hoo. Really? I *don't*. I want that crap, I'll read a Marvel comic. But then I haven't owned a television since BABYLON 5 went off the air, so maybe I've lost touch with what the "mainstream" likes. *Shrug*. Oh, well. Me, I prefer my Science Fiction with brains, and that's what BABYLON 5 delivered--realistic characters interacting in a well-thought out universe with great stories. You see, I *like* detailed, believable characters and plots. I don't *want* to watch lowest common denominator mainstream garbage. I want something that feeds my head as well as my heart! William Gibson; Ian Banks; David Zindell; Olaf Stapleton; Dan Simmons--most of these names are unknown to most Americans but they have written some of the most beautiful, thought-provoking, intelligent adult science fiction ever written. Check some of it out sometime--you won't be sorry. THAT's the sort of thing I want to see on the small screen as well as the big; stuff that brings back that sense of wonder. Now, in Trek's defence, I will say that DS9 was the best of the lot by far--better acting, (mostly) better stories, better directing. And this is from someone who HATED its first two seasons and who still can't stand TNG (boring, flat, lifeless about sums up the latter). And yeah, while VOYAGER tries harder then most people give it credit for, and 7 of 9 doth make me cream all over myself on sight, it just isn't cutting the mustard. What I want to see most right now in the STAR TREK universe is. . .*no* new TREK. That's right, none. Not "Retro-Trek" (blech); not "Buffy The Star Fleet Cadet (gaak!);" not "A-Team in Space." Just let it die. PERMANANTLY. Gene Roddenberry (sp?) didn't rip off CAPTAIN VIDEO when he created STAR TREK; he decided to try for something different. JMS didn't rip off TREK when he created BABYLON 5; he came up with his own vision. Hey, TV execs--DO SOMETHING NEW! GIVE US SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE! How many science fiction books are there out there that would make for great movies/TV shows/miniseries/computer games/whatever? How many promising young television writers have their ideas for new science fiction shows turned down in favor of continuing to boldy go where everyone has already gone before? YAWN! Forget TREK! Forget B5! Show me what's NEXT! Then maybe I'll pony up the money to buy a tube.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 1:33 a.m. CST

    TOM CORBETT:Starfleet Cadet

    by nitekatt

    Here's a solution-Paramount goes to Wade Williams and gets the rights to the old 1950's Scifi Series,"Tom Corbett:S[ace Cadet"...then adapt t to "StarFleet" current day (TNG/DS9 era). You had 3 strong character. Young Corbet-eager but not annoying like westly,Roger Manning-wise guy but a good cadet under presure,and Astro-Grew up on Venus,clear thinking and propr (But not as bad a vulcans) spend a year in the space merchant marine before going into the accademy. Their ship was 'The Polaris;,and besides the two or three instructors,there was TJ-a short cadet-played by Jack Grimes (Who did voices in "Speed Racer") and "IQ" played by John Fiedler (The Voice of Piglet. The series ran from 1950 to 1955,on tv and Radio. Based on a series of books. With a little tweeking,but not "90210-ing" and the addiitonal of some female characters,and an alien mix-plus Boothby-it's STARFLEET!

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Trek has had it's run...

    by tneill

    Time to give it a rest. Let somebody with a sense of humor and imagination take over - In a universe that isn't run by dogmatic, cannon spewing, nit-picking, anal retentive fan boys. I'll miss Jeri Ryan, though. She's the only thing I watch that fucking show for. In a perfect world, Farscape would be the norm, and everyone would have the sense to know that anything less is tepid pablum.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Trek needs Sulu if they want us to care about a new series' debu

    by Jerk_Sisko

    If you saw an ad sayng that yet another crew of Starfleet officers was going to be fighting dangerous CGI aliens with phaser rifles and doing karate chops to each other, would you really give a rat's ass? Now, if a new series based around a character from classic trek, with guest appearances by the Enterprise-B, Chekov, Governor Worf, Spock, and featuring mean Klingons, and finally showing why things got so bad between the Federation and the Romulans that they hadn't been seen in decades in the first season of "Next Generation". That's some seriously cool Trek, and Id have my VCR set for the first time since DS9's final story arc. The Excelsior kicks ass, Takei is in the best shape of all the original cast members, (Chekov's younger, but he had a heart attack a few years ago), the uniforms are cooler, the galaxy would be a more dangerous one than the smiley happy TNG one, it's the only answer.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 4:16 a.m. CST

    A star trek show about nothing ie; Trekfeld

    by Funk4America

    I'M TELLING YOU GUYS YOU REALLY DON'T NEED THE SHOW TO BE ABOUT ANYTHING, OR SET ANYWHERE SPECIFIC. JUST MAKE IT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THE ALREADY ESTABLISHED TREK 23RD CENTURY, IT COULD STAY ON INDEFINITELY AND JUST BE STAR TREK. SET OTHER SHOWS IN DIFERENT TIMES AND PLACES, BUT TREK IS SO DISJOINTED IT NEEDS A HOME. STAR TREK DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE A TAGLINE OR A NEW CONCEPT TO BE ORIGINAL, IT JUST NEEDS ADVENTURES AND STRONG CHARACTERS.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Just one request

    by awkwardboyhero

    Please keep Wil Wheaton as far away from the Paramount studios as is humanly possible. Drown him if necessary. This goes for the actor who played the Traveler as well. Thank you. Shut up, Wesley.

  • Our main concern is not what the next show's concept should be, but WHO'S MAKING IT!!! Berman and Braga are OUT if they can't sell an idea by the end of Voyager's run. Hell, Braga's out if he can't sell one by the end of the season! THESE MEN MUST GO NOW!!!! To hell with "I like Voyager," and "DS9 didn't explore." These are subjective claims that don't mean shit. The truth is, Star Trek currently has no real energy, no life. We need writers with vision and a genuine love for what Roddenberry created in the original series. Even if you didn't like DS9, you can't deny that it paid homage to TOS more than any other show, and it didn't even have a ship named Enterprise in it! Really, it's sick that the DS9 writers were allowed to disperse, while the Voyager hacks are still nailing the lid on the Trek coffin. Dammit, Berman must be overthrown! KAHN himself was deposed, and so must Berman. And his bitch slave Braga must be driven out as well. Hey, these guys have been successful for a long time. If they start looking now, they'll find other work. Aaron Spelling needs another show, yes? Star Trek should be run by writers with guts. Peter David, take this franchise and make it great again! Hell, even that demon-tongued Mark Altman would be an improvement. At least then we'll see if he can put his money where his mouth is!

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Star Trek: Excelsior

    by MikeyS3

    I totally support "Star Trek: Excelsior" a Captain Sulu series. If you don't already know about this George Takei and the International Federation of Trekkers have just begun a re-invigorated campaign to get Paramount to say yes to a Sulu series. Takei says that Paramount was close to giving him the green light before. We hope to make it happen this time. Opening soon: excelsior.iftcommand.com To join the official EXCELSIOR MISSION update list, simply send a blank e-mail to: excelsior-subscribe@iftcommand.com Subscribe to the official list before the action begins. Be ahead of the game. Subscribe now. If you have any questions or problems, you can write to IFT's Operations Department at ops@iftcommand.com.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Excelsior Update Sample

    by MikeyS3

    This is a sample of what you can expect from the official Excelsior Mission update list. From the desk of IFT President Russ HaslageI had the pleasure of talking with George Takei this evening about the EXCELSIOR campaign. He wanted me to pass along to all of you his thanks for all of your hard work to make this idea become reality. He mentioned a few things of great importance in the campaign. The first of which is a slight change in the plan (that's why it was tentative). We would like to move up the dates for the first letter writing campaign. We will soon be coming to the time in which Paramount will make their decisions on shows, and he thinks we have a shot at something for the Fall lineup if we can get the numbers of fans together on this. We then targeted a four week period of time, starting February 14 through the March 11th, as the dates for the first letter writing campaign. To help with this campaign, we will soon be posting on the website and on this list a template letter that fans should rewrite in their own words and a list of the people to send letters to. George mentioned that the series was close a few times. The first time after we first saw Captain Sulu command the EXCELSIOR in "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country" in 1991. The writers had hoped that the introduction of the vessel's new CO would entice Paramount to start production. The second was when we got a glimpse of Hikaru's young daughter aboard the ENTERPRISE-B, followed by a book entitled, "Captain's Daughter". The latest was during the flashback episode of VOYAGER in which we again see EXCELSIOR, commanded by Captain Sulu. (By the way, that episode was originally written with parts of Nichelle Nichols and James Doohan, but they turned down the spots because they were so brief and not worth the prep time.) Now is the time to convince Paramount that they should never have passed up the chance...and that it is not too late. One final tidbit of info. AN IFT EXCELSIOR CAMPAIGN EXCLUSIVE. George's thought is that Chekov should be named the Executive Officer of EXCELSIOR under Sulu's command. (Walter Koenig has given his approval for a regular role on the series, as have Nichelle Nichols and Grace Lee Whitney.) George also mentioned that a letter writing campaign can only go so far. It is effective, but not totally. We should strongly step our plan to advertise in the trade papers. To do this we will need funds. That's the news for tonight. The most important bit of news is that even though our campaign is so young, we must mature it quickly and take action right away. Prepare for letter onslaught: phase 1. Instructions and more will come soon. Russ Haslage IFT Ops _____________________________________________ INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION OF TREKKERS World Headquarters . Operations Department ops@iftcommand.com . www.iftcommand.com To join, simply send a blank e-mail to: excelsior-subscribe@iftcommand.com

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 9:17 a.m. CST

    The best part of Concept #3

    by AndyjHunter

    I just realised the best part of going with concept #3, set 50-75 years before TOS. NO HOLODECK!!!! The single worst invention in the history of trek. The holodeck is the ultimate writer's cop out. Want to do an Old West episode? Put it on the holodeck. Want the crew to hang out at a caribean beach resort? Put them on the holodeck. Want a piece of technology that malfunctions more often than '81 Ford Fiesta? Holodeck. Trek already has so much mumbo-jumbo technology that it might as well be magic. If they do a show set in the early days of space travel they may actually have to think about the science a little more. Pull the plug on the holodeck!

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Darth Darth Darthy Darth Darthster

    by narf

    I came up with two more ideas for Trek: #1 - A ship with an all BLACKFACE crew (call it the U.S.S. Jolson), who occasionally break into vaudeville routines. Either that, or Star Trek - REDSHIRT, the show that spends an hour each week building the character of a different enlisted schmoe on the Enterprise who finally gets his big break in an away team with the senior officers... Only to get shot/eaten/stabbed/vaporized/anally raped in the closing scene.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 10:30 a.m. CST

    To Sith Lord Jesus

    by Pomona88

    It's a sad day when Harlan Ellison's award-winning Trek episode is disparagingly compared to a Marvel comic. You like your science fiction with brains a la B5. Wasn't Ellison also a creative consultant for that show?

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Green light

    by Sween

    The second scenario is definitely the best option, but it should get the green light not the red.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 12:06 p.m. CST

    A-Team in the 24th Century

    by MoshMasterD

    First off, none of the following will work. The dude who did the report got it on the money for Star Fleet Accadamy as a 90210 in Space. But the second one also sucks just as bad. So what are we gonna look for in that Navy SEAL Star Trek? A Klingon B.A. Barracus? A Vulcan Hannible Smith? An Andorian Face? Maybe Dwight Schultz come back to a full time Star Trek role? Gimme a break!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 12:41 p.m. CST

    by DSNINE

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Another idea for series

    by DSNINE

    Here is an idea that they probably didn't tlak much about. How about doing a few made for t.v. movies about Section31, you know the secret ops of the Federation. Now to the series: Here's one, How about doing one on the Federation in the 29th Century. More up to date technology and by then the federation is so far advanced that no one can touch them. Let me know what you think.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 1:04 p.m. CST

    WarriorB- Right and Wrong

    by Anton_Sirius

    How dare you defend that minion of Evil Berman and... just kidding. You are absolutely right- Berman is just a middle-manager. That's why he has to go, at least from the creative end. The man wouldn't know good science fiction (or even sci-fi) from a black hole in the ground. I totally disagree with your statement that the average viewer is more familiar with the NG cast, though. You forget that Kirk-Trek was in reruns for TWO DECADES before TNG hit the air, not to mention that there have been 7 movies with Kirk, while only 3 with Picard. When the average Joe thinks Star Trek he still thinks original cast- Picard and Data and (maybe) Riker are at best an afterthought. After all, which version of Trek did the creators of Galaxy Quest choose to spoof? Not TNG. If Paramount wants a successful show they need two key elements- 1) something new and exciting (TNG was stultifyingly dull by the end, and its ratings were pure inertia); 2) something familiar to act as an entrance point for the existing fan base (remember McCoy's cameo in Farpoint). If you want to debate the philosophy behind the idea i.e. how large a urine stream does this one direct at Roddenberry's grave? that's all well and good (and for one vote for idea #2 as the biggest necro-sodomizer of the lot) but Paramount could give a rat's ass about Gene's 'legacy'. They want moolah in pocket, and maybe even a true flagship show for UPN. A rehashed TNG won't accomplish this, as it doesn't meet criteria #1 (something new). This, too, is why Berman has to go, as he has shown himself to be sadly lacking in the innovation department (he's a caretaker, not a creative force.) I still say their best bet is a series of TV movies showcasing the various ideas they think might click, and letting the ratings decide which one to get behind (just like the showcase that spawned Hercules). They'll even have the advantage of being able to do SOMETHING with the losers, even if it's just mediocre video sales- it's Trek, some small chunk of the fan base will like it and buy it. I mean my Goddess, look at how many defenders Voyager has, and I think you'd be hard pressed to conceive a more lackluster version of Trek if you tried. Unlike others I don't think Trek is DOA, or needs a hiatus (in my mind it's going through one right now, since I haven't seen a whole Voyager episode in years, and neither have most people.) All it needs is a new creative force at the helm to give it some life and innovation.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Two different ideas

    by Darth Mike

    I do like the idea of a pre-TOS Star Trek. As long as they could be true to the old Trek and take one step back. The streamlined, sleek Ford-Taurus-in-space look is starting to become eyewash. A look closer to the old Trek would buck this trend. My other thoughts for series: Star Trek:These Are The Voyages - A Trek anthology series. They have the sets, the costumes, the models and the CGI all "in the can." Maybe rotate several crews and vessels, have cross-over episosdes and different feels to the episodes. Kind of a Deep Space Twilight Zone. Paramount can also fine tune the show to match the demographics and feedback (something execs love). If people like shooty episodes, then out come more shooty stories. You don't want a Klingon or a Romulan or a Ferengi series-- give them an episode each a season. Nobody would want a Vulcan series, but one episode may seem cool. During sweep week, throw some cash at one of the former series to make a "very special episode." The public likes the premise and the universe, now pay attention to the stories. The best way to do that is to mix it up, tell compelling stories and maybe make the series premise a Federation smorgasbord. My second idea is: Star Trek:Merchant Princes and Trader Captains Show the people who rile against the shiny-happy Federation and what they do to survive. FASA came out with this premise in the 80s and it could fly as a series. Star Trek: TNG is to Law & Order as this would be to Pulp Fiction. Maybe not make it up of solely bad people, just not the shining lights of Starfleet.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 1:29 p.m. CST

    lET'S Meet Capt. Calhoun!!!!

    by RobRed1

    There is a series of books with an entirely new crew. The Captain is a former freedom fighter and leader of his planets rebellion from an oppressive regime that spans several sectors on the edge of the alpha quadrant. After his planet wins its freedom, the Starfleet officer who comes to negotiate the planets admission into the Federation (one Capt. Picard) convinces the impressive Calhoun to join Star Fleet. When the regime that oppressed Calhoun's people (and a few hundred other worlds) collapses, a treaty with the remnants of the regime allows the Federation to send in one ship to render humanitarian aid. This ship has to oporate totaly without Federation support since no other ships can come to their aide. Calhoun, a native to that region, is picked to be the Captain of the ship and Lietenant Commander SHELBY is picked as his first officer. That's right, the SHELBY who fought Riecher for 1st Officer of the Enterprise during the Borg invasion!!! Calhoun and crew find a whole lot of trouble, political strife, and a ton of adventure. This would make an incredible series!!! And yes, I do like the Capt. Sulu and the Excelsior series. So, cancel voyager and put BOTH stories on!!!!

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 1:34 p.m. CST

    B5 failed? In what universe?

    by cnuzzi

    A # of Talkbackers have said that "Babylon 5 failed". No, it did not. It had a successful 5 year run, the full length it was intended to run. As for the 3 Trek ideas, #2 is best, but I like the idea of going forward into the 25th century and introducing new races and alliances better still. And no, DO NOT put Trek on the shelf for 5 years. I'dlike more Trek when Voyager ends, please. And yes,I do enjoy Voyager. I guess that makes mesomesort of moron in most of your eyes. Oh well.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 2:29 p.m. CST

    How bout dis

    by Red_2

    How about some catastrophic event happening, purhaps even caused by the Federation. Imagine, maybe something happened that couldn't be stopped at the last minute to make everything "safe" in the mulitverse. The Federation is considerably undermanned and new ships are at a premium or not available anymore (shipyards have been destroyed). The power base of the Federation is slipping and they are now trying to rely upon mothballed ships that are easier to fix, but slow, and modern ships that are too technological to fix (no parts, too much energy, no supply bases) to combat a new threat created by the massive destruction. Get a mix of new and old looks in the show. A new conflict is started where the Federation is not necessarily to good guy, and not necessarily the ones with all the power. Now the crew has to explore the same space again and now it has changed drastically, and make new friends if it wants to combat the old. Klingons, yeah a few, and mean and nasty again like the old days and holding a big ol' grudge with the Federation. And so on and so forth. The first one....90210 in space, enough said. Second, uhh, black ops sounds like going against the notion of the prime directive, but I could see how that issue could be avoided, or it could be a major subtheme on that series. The third has merit, but like posted above, we know everything will turn out in the end because we have the other series. I agree the franchise needs a few years to just give it a rest. Roll out a new series after all the Star Wars Prequels are done with, but have the writers start now with a cohesive well planned storyline and have it rock solid before any production begins. If any has been posted before sorry, haven't read that far yet.... That's my 2 red cents worth, gotta save Yavin from certain destruction, Red_2 out.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 4:03 p.m. CST

    by Martian42

    Let the Trek "federation viewpoint" series' die. Of the ideas proposed here so far, the Klingon Empire would be the most entertaining. At least we would be spared the political correctness of the federation. On the other hand, Klingon attempts at p.c. could be a good for a few laughs! In any case, I would prefer a series with a consistant storyline (e.g. B5 and last few years of DS9). The idea of an alternate history dominated by the Borg is also interesting. As for the 3 proposed ideas: 1.) Academy - Barffff! 2.) "Seals" - been done by SA&AB 3.) Prequel - best choice, but our fore-knowledge of the Trek future removes some suspense. Just a part on the problem with prequels.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 4:32 p.m. CST

    correction

    by Martian42

    #2 above referred to Space, Above and Beyond (I botched the abbreviation).

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Borg Academy

    by Pomona88

    How about a show entirely from the Borg point of view? It could focus on the training of some teen Borgs named 17, 18, and 19 of 90210. I am, of course, just kidding. Time to end this TalkBack.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 5:10 p.m. CST

    *Space Monkeys*

    by BIG JIM SLADE

    Awww shit! I thought this was the line for the Spider-Man Talkback!

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 5:24 p.m. CST

    BRING BACK SHATNER!!!

    by Woodward

    There's only one way this franchise will surivive -- bring back WILLIAM SHATNER as KIRK! Yeah he's old and paunchy, but he still kicks the ass of all of the moronic wusses that are in Next Gen, DS9 and Voyager. Kirk would kick Picard's ass, vaporize the boring space station and make Janeway his bitch, and make her like it. BRING BACK SHATNER!

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Starfleet Commandos? I Say Go For It!

    by The Happy Ninja

    I think that idea of having those Starfleet Commandos would be cool, and there would be some real interest from the general public. Something MUST be done now to save Star Trek, because - and I'm sorry to miss use a line from the "other" popular sci-fi saga "Our franchise is dying. We must do something quickly if we are to stop the bullshit." But the only way to save the series, is if it stops being so serious all the time. I mean look at Tuvok, okay he's a Vulcan, but he says everything so precise, so prompt, he has none of the flair that Spock did. Tom Paris and Harry Kim, they have to lighten up, and Captain Janeway, buy has she been taking a back seat lately. But then again, it is hard to see over the horizon since Seven of Nine's breasts keep getting in the way. (and what nice breasts she has). Ever since DS9 series 5, the series has gone down hill. We must revitalize the show, one of these ideas has the potential. One of them must be work upon!

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 5:25 p.m. CST

    The Warrior

    by Red_2

    Dude. I like your style, and you've had some great comments on this, but hey, you missed your catch phrase a couple a times. Is there no more room in hell anymore? I hear they are expanding to the tenth and eleventh layers, I think that was at theonion.com where I saw that. Just pokin' fun at 'cha. That's my 2 red cents worth. Red_2 out. (Trying to build my own catch phrase...)

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I can think of a couple better plots off the top ot my head!

    by Don Bresciani

    How about a series about the Starship Excelsior and Captain Sulu? George Takai has expressed interest on multiple occasions in this. Or, how about a series based on the temporal-police federation of the 27th century? That would be pretty damn cool! Or maybe a series based on a Romulan ship? Have it full of intrigues and plots/counterplots where everyone's out to get the captain because they want to move up in the ranks and how the captain is the nastiest, most cunning bastard on the ship and commands the crew's fear and respect because of this. Or just make a series in the Mirror Mirror universe and let it go haywire! Your Godfather, Don Bresciani

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 6:20 p.m. CST

    3 could be great, 2 so-so

    by Orion7

    There's just too many messages here to sort through them all, though I did skim a bit. So here are a few thoughts.... The first idea -- 90210 -- sounds like garbage, and I hope it dies quickly. The second idea could be decent mindless fun -- and it certainly would show a different side of the Federation -- but it's rather unoriginal, and could get old really fast. There's just not enough there. I agree with other folks -- the best way to go is to move into a new time period. Going back pre-TOS could be VERY interesting, if handled right. There's a lot there that's been alluded to, but never gone into in depth. We can see the original Earth-Romulan War, the formation of the Federation, its growing pains (when it's likely it wasn't so happy as it is in current Trek)... The technology would be much simpler, forcing them not to rely on dues ex machina with technobabble type resolutions, but rather use real solutions to real problems. No holodecks, maybe not even transporters. Rougher, more primitive ships, more dangerous space travel... This could be a lot of fun. And while we know how things end up in the large sense, there are still many sources of good drama: we don't know the details, the situation could be a lot more volatile, and there's a LOT more opportunity for character drama. I'd also advocate avoiding "known" characters from the past, so you can always keep people wondering if they live or die. :) There's one thing that makes me worry that they would not handle this correctly -- the assertion that Romulans were unknown, and Klingons were bad. If my memory serves (though it's been a while), we ran into the Romulans long before the Klingons (possibly even before the Federation was formed), though we only fought a war with them -- there was never any contact, and we didn't see their faces until TOS. So, there's a ton of potential for interesting stories and good drama (possibly even of epic proportions, though there would probably need to be an outlined framework to work in) in the 3rd idea. The far future idea advocated here could also be interesting, though I think that's much less likely to happen. Sorry to ramble on so long...

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Endless Possibilities

    by WGF

    Over the many episodes of Star Trek, several things have stood out that, in my opinion, could prove interesting: 1) In an episode of STNG, a failed prototype of a Federation starship that could cloak and pass through solid material was shown. Imagine what could happen if the Federation perfected this technology. 2) In an episode of STTOS, we were introduced to beings from the Andromeda galaxy. Imagine a prototype Federation starship that has super-enhanced transwarp capabilities (with work on this technology having been previously introduced by the USS Excelsior in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock and further refined when Voyager reaches the Alpha Quadrant - thanks to the Borg). Imagine that this ship is used to send a crew to the Andromeda galaxy and something goes wrong. The crew cannot get home. This does not have to be another Voyager episode. Instead, the crew could establish a base of operation on a habitable world on the fringe of this galaxy. Possibly, a kind of transwarp subspace communications could have been invented for communications and the crew could communicate with the Alpha Quadrant. 3) If all else fails, why not set up a boxing match between Q and the Squire of Gothos! 3) Perhaps, it is time to find out who besides the Romulans inhabit the Beta Quadrant. 4) Are there any more neutronium-based Doomsday machines (as shown in a STTOS episode) out there? 5) What happened to Miri and company on their planet? What about the Andorians? Or what about Balak in The Corbomite Manouver?

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 6:45 p.m. CST

    couple more thoughts on 3...

    by Orion7

    I did a little more checking, and I believe that the Federation was created in part as a result of the Terran-Romulan war. To me, this would be an incredibly interesting time period to cover. Start before the war, with humans just starting to explore with primitive warp capable ships. Then disastrous contact with the Romulans, and the resulting war. From there, the aftermath, the formation of the Federation, and all the growing pains (both internal, external, and on earth in particular) thereof. And of course, it's been said that the Prime Directive was a result of disastrous contact situations -- we can see that too. This sounds more and more fun the more I think about it... :)

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Babylon 5 merits

    by Red_2

    I'm not saying that B5 is the end all be all of shows (I liked it). It just didn't make it, but there are a few things that should be thought about in the Trekian adventure. 1) IMO B5 established a more realistic interaction between races on the station. There were other races that needed other environments to survive (environmental suites, etc.), their language didn't translate on the universal translators, and had true enmity between races (more realistic/interesting politics). 2) Said before, CG very good/clean, better fight scenes between ships, I loved the cutting laser/beam on the Mimbari cruisers. 3) Good acting/storyline... the characters actually developed and the story was good, but it moved around a bit (read timeslot here not story) and once it was off UPN I saw it rarely (I don't have cable) and when I did, the stories were almost too involved to pick up. All I'm saying, is to have a little bit of story carry from one episode to another would be nice, and not on just the 3 part episodes, ya know. Anyway those elements are the core of the reason I liked that series, and I think that the writers over at Paramount could use some of the above in any of the new series they choose. I'd like to see a hiatus on the whole Star Trek thing because I think that is what it really needs, but as The Warrior said it's unlikely that they are going to shelf something that is making them money. That's my 2 red cents worth, Red_2 out.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Klingons

    by Red_2

    While Klingons are cool as a plot point, I don't they they have enough going for them to merit a full blown series about them. Maybe if they had a running gag where the Klingon in the red suit gets kill every episode. "Oh my god they killed Klingy!!!" (Hell maybe even by THE IRON GIANT every time.) But seriously, they couldn't have the lead group/race/focus portrayed correctly for television, having fists flying, alien frying, kill 'em, non P.C.s Klingons killing everything in sight doesn't sound like a very intesting series to me. What you'd get is wimpy, negotiating, pussy Klingons trying to act like they really have an empire again. Get over it, it's not going to happen. That's my 2 red cents worth, Red_2 out.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Its all about the money

    by Darth Pablo

    Its suprising that Warrior is the only one mentioning the most important aspect of any new series and that is how much money it will make Paramount. It doesn't matter how interesting a show is or how revolutionary the concept is if only a few geeks watch it. I really liked Babylon 5 (my favorite sci-fi series to date) but I will admit that it was an absolute BUSINESS FAILURE, at least in the eyes of a company as big as Paramount. For business reasons none of the other shows listed earlier will probably make it. A short summary: 1)Sulu, April, or Pike - besides a few hardcore trekkers no one knows who the hell these people are or cares. 2) Klingon, Romulan, Borg, etc. series - You are only going to get appeal from a wide audience where at least half the cast is playing human or at least something very similar. Most people CANNOT speak Klingon. 3)Timeship, Section 31, Academy - These have all featured in some episodes and a lot of fans would like to see them expanded upon, but they are more likely to be successful as books or just internet fanfic than as a whole series. Any series using the concepts would just be to narrow. You can do time travel series, covert-op series and adolescent serieses, but shoe horning them in the trek universe just diminishes their overall appeal. 4) pre-TOS trek - No one wants a campy retro show. It works as a movie, but not a series. Any new series will probably be set in the future of TNG/DS9 prolly 10 or 20 years (to allow for guest appearances by old cast) and will probably be back on a ship. May not be the most original idea, but it will probably have the most market potential. I know, I've probably restated a lot of people's earlier posts, but here it is as a summary.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 10:43 p.m. CST

    It is, indeed, all about the benjamins.

    by Sith Lord Jesus

    Darth Pablo (and Warrior 2.0) made a very good point--in one sense, yeah, BABYLON 5 really is a failure since it didn't move enough units, didn't sell enough soap and tampons. After all, the bottom line--and I'm not being factious here--of television is that the shows are there to get you to watch the commercials, and that is all. The ads are NOT an afterthought. I've just come to realize lately that those of us who want true creativity in our science fiction will just have to look elsewhere then the vast wasteland. Quality progamming such as B5 comes along only once in a blue moon and isn't likely to show up again in such an ad-and-ratings-dominated medium as television. Btw: Contrary to Warrior 2.0's statement, I would consider BABYLON 5 a prime example of science fiction, while TREK as a whole is a perfect example of sci-fi. No disrespect to TREK fans intended; I love TOS and DS9 and even NEXT GENERATION had it's moments, but there is a difference, you know. Oh, and Pomona88: Harlan Ellison wrote the origional draft for "City on the Edge of Forever" but it wound up getting rewritten and bastardized because Roddinberry thought the Ellison version was too nasty or something. I read Ellison's script and found it vastly better then what was filmed--and I LOVED what was filmed! It still gets a thumbs up from moi, but hey, that's the TV biz. Anyway, in closing: if we absolutly MUST be subjected to more Trek, then I vote for letting the whole thing sit for 5-10 years, coming back with a whole new crew of directors, actors, sci-fi writers who can write for TV and a fresh outlook. It should be good for a decent season or two then. Maybe.

  • Jan. 14, 2000, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Huh?

    by nentuaby

    I thought we found the Romulans back when we barely had warp drive and had a nashty little war with them? Like, before the Klingons?

  • Jan. 15, 2000, 1:02 a.m. CST

    God don't be another voyger

    by Cue1212

    I will say that the ideas are there but they had the right idea with voyager (and that hella sucks) to me voyager keeps on hashing out the same stories. Answer this how many times has a member of (ore the all of the crew) the crew been accused of a crime that they where ether framed for ore it was just a cultural misunderstanding. I personally like the 2nd idea but I hope it's a good balance of oo7 and starship troopers. In fact I would dare say if they go with this idea they should use hard rock, and techno instead of classical music, couple good bands would be powerman5000, rob zombie, static-x, fear factory list goes one. Yeah you can tell I want this to be different than what they have done in the past. But I will say the ideas all have merit I just think a little more action in startreck would be nice

  • Jan. 15, 2000, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Content is far more important than the premise !

    by Chapaev

    No TV show's ever been saved from obscurity by premise alone.Actors,storylines,characters,set design,etc are the things that matter.Paramount guys should spend more effort thinking up new aliens and technology and developing new interesting characters, plus, re-introducing some of the popular old ones. That's what they'd really need for series 5 to be successful...As the Borg would probably have said in such case: "PREMISES ARE IRRELEVANT" :)))...

  • Jan. 15, 2000, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Back to Basics

    by Sun Tzu

    If any new Trek show is to be cosidered it should "go back in time". A prequel would let them actually put some actual SCIENCE into their Science Fiction. I stopped watching the franchise when the "Deus ex Machina" element became too high. It stopped being Sci Fi and became fantasy (I actually like fantasy, but not in this setting) As to "knowing the outcome", Hey, we know how all kinds of things are going to turn out, its the trip that makes it interesting (and how many people really believe that what is thought of as HISTORY is how things actually happened 100% of the time, I mean if historians disagree about REAL history, what makes us think there can't be any errors in a FICTIONAL history, esp with the humans overcoming the results of a devestating war/s). -Master of the Nine Grounds

  • Jan. 15, 2000, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Personally, I think the 3rd is the best but...

    by Radd

    ...still not what I was hoping for. I really don't like the first idea, c'mon, we've already had far too much melodrama in space as one talkbacker already put it. The second idea..well...no. It just doesn't sound Star Trek-ish. At best it sounds like some executive's lame attempt to be hip and action-ish. The third idea has promise, but I'd go one better. How about a Star Trek series that takes place either during the original series (but on the other side of the Federation or whatnot, or maybe even cooler, a Star Trek series that takes place during the time of the movies (between Kahn and Undiscovered Country)? Personally the movie ship designs where always my favourites and there's room for some of the same style of ass-kicking we saw during some of those films. It'd be cool to start it out either around the time of Kahn or The Motion Picture, and gradually over the series see the new ships coming out like the Reliant type ships and the Excelsior. Building up of tensions between the Federation and Klingons. Romulans making trouble in the Neutral Zone and all sorts of cool stuff. (oh yeah, and the movie uniforms sure beat the hell out of those pajamas they wear now'a days.)

  • Jan. 15, 2000, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Mkensy Calhoon

    by DA' GUY

    I think they should consider the series with Mkensy Calhoon. That would really kick ass and provide for some good cgi. I DUNNO? WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE THINK OF MKENSY CALHOON?

  • Jan. 15, 2000, 9:37 p.m. CST

    I AM A CREATIVE GENIUS

    by fiend

    It is very apparent after reading a majority of postings on this topic that many are disgruntled with the lastest efforts by Rick and mini-rick. I too think that ST needs a shot in the arm. I don't think that killing the franchise is a good way of going about it. Out of the 3 ideas I think that ST:90210 is a definite no-no. Although with some of my creative genius i can probably work with any premise and make it kick ass! ST:The first gen, is tired and campy. Sure it could work given the right approach, but i would give it 2 seasons before it dies in the ass. ST:Above & beyond, is probably the most workable premise if executed with elegance. The morons at Paramount would likely fuck it up in the pilot alone, knowing their track record thus far. We need a series that will turn ST 180 degrees. Forget the shot in the arm, how about a steriod booster shot in the ass! A good premise for ST: Above, would be: after a debilitating Dominion war covered by DS9 already, Starfleet recognise a need to devise a special forces group to counter rogue attacks from smaller to medium powers in the Alpha Quadrant. A new cloak capable, transwarp capable ship using Section 31 tech likely to be highly advanced, is built with a crew of specially trained starfleet marines. Their mission: Kick some serious ass and lift ratings like u never seen. Sure DS9 battles were epic and better scripted than any I've seen from SW or B5 but this new series should blow DS9 out of the water! A new writing team of fresh minds and a new threat maybe from outside the galaxy, I'm thinking a diabolical race more ominous than the Borg threatens the survival of the entire galaxy, Who are you gonna call? This could work. I know some die hard fans will say this is not trek, done before lame ass excuses etc. I have watched TREK all my life so don't tell me whats trek or what isn't. I say this is trek for the new generation a different style for a new century. It can be done without compromising the integrity of the franchise. Trust me I know how to make it happen. I have seen great potential with DS9's approach to the ST universe. And my ideas are more aligned with DS9. ST:V-series would be an extension of that style only bolder and more creative, it will have balls. If in doubt i think that kikstads suggestion was the best. Make some mini-series based on the other ideas, come on Paramount u will lose far less doing it that way. Let the people decide which they prefer, instead of putting all ur eggs in one basket and having it all crushed like and inconsequential bug. Any of u guys have a better idea or think mine is not as flawless as i think it is email me!

  • Jan. 15, 2000, 9:56 p.m. CST

    KICK ASS IDEAS

    by fiend

    Star Trek has been in decline since the open-ended series finale of DS9. The only spin-off with enough balls to pursue story arcs based on a full scale war unlike anything ever seen before in the Star Trek universe. It made SW look like a walk in the park. DS9 had 6 races pitted against each other in a battle for survival. A war always makes for good story telling. People lose a lot in wars. And no other scenario can convey human suffering and human feelings like the reality of war. War changes people and was a clever medium that was capitalised on by DS9. Even B5 had some great story arcs all centering on the dynamics of wars and their effects on haumanity. How uneventful would the 20th century have been without WWI and WWII. As a people we have learnt a great deal in 100 years than in the last 1000 years. Therefore ST only survival can be reasonably guessed to be another series based on the aftermath of the Dominion war. ST:Navy Seals is the only way guys. Love it or hate it, it is the only logical approach. It has less of a chance of turning into a 90210 in space which i think all the series thus far have shown elements of. It could be like a 'Saving Private Ryan in the stars'. Although many of u will cry blasphemy for even suggesting such a comparison. But inevitably Paramount will have to stop painting this rosy picture in space and get on with telling it how it is. We currently have more than 100 wars worldwide so what makes u think space is any less volatile an environment. Go for the 2nd choice paramount but don't fuck it up, one way of ensuring that is to hire me personally as a team leader for the writing staff. Oh, and for fuck's sake sack rick and mini-rick already, bring some of the SG-1 team in! Learn from them on how not to fuck up.

  • Jan. 15, 2000, 11:45 p.m. CST

    KICK ASS IDEAS II

    by fiend

    Well again I will say that out of the 3 number 2 still looks promising. Although I don't see it happening the way it should with the current writing team(especially the Voyager writing team). It is woeful that such a great franchise can be suffering so badly because of the short-sightedness of a few, namely Rick Berman. When will they realise that the content will have to change and be geared more to action, political intrigue and some creativity to get people wanting more trek. DS9 was successful because of this. But even DS9 played it safe most of the time. With ST:Navy Seals you can do all your head in your ass episodes that were quite common in some VOY episodes. I mean a prime example is when after the Borg encounter there is an episode about an engineering incident where Paris and his sweetheart 'Torres' are trapped outside in space. Now what the hell is that, an obvious budget saver if you ask me, but at the expense of ratings? ST:Navy Seals gives Paramount the flexibilty of being action-based kick ass muthas of hell and behind a ST backdrop. Good story arcs have also been lacking in ST especially in VOY. You get a distinct feeling that there is very little continuity in that series. ST:Navy Seals can have some great story arcs and being based in the Alpha Quadrant we can see what has happened with regards to the state of the races. It is all too common with ST to almost completly sever any ties with the other series when a new one comes along. You always get a feeling that the producers are purposefully trying to avoid any continuity between the other spin-offs which only helps to isolate fans from the different ST series. Stop doing that shit! It only fragments the franchise which is like shooting yourself in the ass. This is very much the case for ST games. Game developers cannot use the whole ST universe in their games because paramount sells the licences for each series seperately. SW doesn't have these conflicts which is why making games for SW isn't so cumbersome. There are some serious management issues to be addressed before ST:V can be executed with any confidence of success. Too much corporate posturing and weak story writing will be ST undoing. If something serious isn't done i fear that Paramount will just quit the franchise. I don't think it will appoint another in Rick Bermans place. We need a series with balls, without so much political correctness that has eroded the creativity of the past 4 series. We need a series that is not afraid to shock audiences week in week out. A series that will revolutionise the popular belief that ST is unpoplular with movie-goers. It has been said in the past that ST sequels ending in an even number are often successful. And seeing that the next sequel is number 10, i think that if we go with the movie premise that has been proposed or hinted that we may break that tradition into all even and odd number spell doom for ST. Not very good is it? Well the ST:X is said to be a continuation of the last film! Patrick Stewart likes this idea very much and plans on ending it for Capt Picard who is rumoured to get married in the film, as for Data.. well.. he dies. Not terribly exciting i know but so was ST:9 which Patrick also liked. My proposed script goes something like this... ST:X - Dominion Wars which should take place before VOY gets back to the Alpha Quad (for obvious reasons, like VOY writing staff compromising the Alpha Quad universe with clumsy scenarios written for the benefit of no one) This 10th and final Next Gen appearance in a ST feature film should feature the DS9 crew, after all they did leave the DS9 finale pretty much open-ended no real finality was felt. The premise behind ST:X would be that a splinter group of Dominion Jem'Hadar have created a militant group bent on avenging fallen comrades etc at the expense of the Alpha Quadrant considerably weakened governments. Furthermore so as not to create a full scale war which of course could not be resolved in a credible manner in the span of a film 2hrs, let it be known that this militant group acts alone and come from the Gamma Quadrant (which have had a considerable amount of time to really loathe and hold a grudge, especially after how their gods where almost killed by that virus) As you can imagine the Rogue Jem'Hadar will be a pretty sizable force of maybe let's say 1000 ships. With a crippled Federation government not to mention the other races too, it is up to Picard with the aid of the Defiant to stop this armada reaching Earth. We can assume that the other governments help out in the battle,like the Rommies, Klingons and some Cardie allies(whatever can be spared) it would be a pretty favourable fight for the Alpha Quadrant. With Alpha outnumbering Gamma 2-1. Of course the losses for the Alpha Quadrant are significant, since the Jem'Hadar are most probably in kamikaze mode anyway. The space battles will be epic with some well scripted battle scenes to please action fans. This would be an opportunity for ST to show the everyone it is not a pushover when it comes to space battles. I am fed up with other sci-fi fans stating that ST technology and ships do not lend themselves for good space battles. They won't be saying that after ST:X. But of course the arguements coming in might be that 'This is not typical of ST battles'. The reponse from ST fans will be 'Pull your dick out ur asshole and see some DS9 battles, you will see they have been executed in the same manner only now with a bigger budget and longer more elaborate takes'. Of course the main reason for ST:X will not be for just space battles, that will only appease some. ST:X will need to have some solid themes like 'What do u want and who do u serve?', Oh shit wrong theme! I meant to say It will deal with Data's humanity among other themes and seeing that he wants to end it on ST:X he will have to be discarded somehow. Picard should get married or something to Worf maybe and give up his command to Riker if he really doesn't want to keep going. (Riker at this stage was considering a mutiny in order to take command of the ship and setting a course to the unknown away from Starfleet no doubt) Suffice to say it would be a kick ass storyline and could really capatilise on the recent events in the DS9 universe. It would also allow Paramount to hand the torch to Riker or the DS9 crew or at least draw some finality to both series maybe opening up the way to ST:Navy Seals. Sounds good to me! Well if you guys think you can do better please email me your suggestions for ST:X.

  • Jan. 15, 2000, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Star Trek: SEALS

    by Lolani

    I vote for #2. Star Trek: SEALS, that would be hot. They can disguise themselves however and go for it. All the action in the world(s), boom! Hey, a whole platoon full of Q's, that'll work. :D

  • Jan. 16, 2000, 2:01 a.m. CST

    my two cents worth

    by fzman

    After having a bit of a read through everyones arguments, my opinion is that if Trek wants to make a viable new series they should make a departure from the formula they have been using for last few versions. This would probably offend the die hard trekkies, but it would be good to have a series that doesnt follow the fairly repetitive plot that has plagued voyager. It also would be good if they show something a bit more gritty, thats why I like the idea of having a new series set in the pre-federation days, where the exploration is hazardous and not everything is nice and clean. anyway that is just my opinion, it would be shame to see a good concept die just because the studios are too inept to hire original writers.

  • Jan. 16, 2000, 7:57 p.m. CST

    I'd take #3 over #2

    by LSHB

    #1 is clearly a washout. The second might be fun for some fancy CGI explosions, but after a bit the premise would wear pretty thin; how many possible premises can you generate for inserting a special Federation squad that wouldn't be easily resolved with a few photon torpedoes from space? Mostly you'll end up with silly political thrillers, hostage scenarios, 'delicate' standoffs etc...like any other cop/military show you've ever scene 'cept the villians have funky ears. The third possibility, while similar to other shows, has the strong benefit of depicting Earth/Federation's first tentative steps into real space exploration (would the Federation even exist?). You would have old, ugly, tough ships, and lots of scraps with other expanding races. The only major pitfall here will be continuity, like avoiding the TPM problem with having older technology actually seeming much more advanced than what comes later. These old ships might have weak or no shields, use lasers and missiles, etc. Also, the crew itself probably won't be nearly as cocksure as those in later times with the entire power of the Federation behind them. Instead of flying around in an air of superiority and helping backwards planets solve their regional problems, these pre-Kirk dudes and lasses will have a fun time just staying alive.

  • Jan. 16, 2000, 8:40 p.m. CST

    TOS again

    by bruno

    All the ideas for a new series are awful. They need to do something with heart. If they had a clue, they would continue the adventures of Kirk, Spock, et. al. with new actors playing the original roles and bookend each episode with one of the original actors in the same role, abet much older in a dramatic situation that would set up the new adventure. It would be tricky to do (new actors have to do more than impersonations) controversial because Shantner, Nimoy and the others are still alive (not Bones...he's dead....Jim, but with a couple good writers it could be great fun.

  • Jan. 16, 2000, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Why are WE worried about the bottom line?

    by Endymion

    I really don't see why it matters that Babylon 5 wasn't a huge financial success. All that matters is that it was successful ENOUGH to survive the full 5 years, enabling JMS to tell the story he wanted to tell. The fretting here seems to be over how to make a science fiction show have really broad mainstream appeal. I think that's a pointless exercise. Science fiction ISN'T mainstream. Any attempt to turn a science fiction show into something with mainstream appeal will only result in watering it down to the point that it is no longer quality science fiction. JMS chose not to do that, and I greatly respect him for that. We are a niche audience. However, we are also a rich, educated, and big-spending audience, and advertisers know that and like it. This fact is what enables a quality show like B5 to survive despite modest viewership numbers. I definitely think that other producers of science fiction programming should follow B5's example.

  • Jan. 16, 2000, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Idea 2 = Star Trek: Crusade

    by The Seeker

    Does idea #2 feel like B5: Crusade to anyone besides me? Could this be Berman and Co. ripping off JMS yet again? But seriously, folks, my feelings are that the next Star Trek series premise should be about all of the half-human sons and daughters of James T. Kirk. They would form their own band of freedom fighters in space, aboard say, a ship called "Love Child". Maybe this could be a half-hour sitcom starring Tom Arnold, Bob Newhart, and Fran Dresher. Think of the ratings! Oh yeah!

  • Jan. 16, 2000, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Best idea: Star Trek: Excelsior w/ Capt. Sulu

    by WmDuke

    I've always thought that the next Star Trek series should focus on the starship Excelsior as Captained by Sulu. The main difference with this series however is that instead of focusing on the bridge crew, it would focus on those below decks. Essentially, this would be the "red shirts" show. Have you ever wondered what the red shirts did before the one episode where they would beam down and get killed? This series would focus on the crew that normally is only seen in the background, while the Captain and the bridge crew would be the ones (mostly) in the background this time. Additionally, this show would have a heightend sence of danger with each episode. After all, we always knew that the bridge crew in past series would always survive, but the red shirts can, and do, get toasted with startling regularity. Cast members could be contracted for only a few episodes, so that we would never really know when someone was gonna buy it, get transferred, etc. Duke

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 1:38 a.m. CST

    WAKE UP PARAMOUNT

    by fiend

    We all can have a say if Paramount pulls its head out of its ass and decides to try a mini series of the 3 ideas proposed as well as maybe a Sulu mini-series Tv movie. That way the movies will speak for themsleves. Only then can paramount say with absolute certainty that series A, B or C will cut it for 7 seasons. Otherwise paramount will shoot the series in the ass and condemn the series to failure, ending with it the most successful sci-fi franchise in history. Wake up paramount! is there really any other viable way of approaching this problem? Let's cut the bullshit and get act your act together. Animated examples aren't gonna cut it guys!! Let's get those mini-series started, that should throw a spanner in the works.

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Let it Rest

    by Jar Jar Gabor

    I'm tired of ST., Besides, I can't stand G. Takai's voice.

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Yet more Trek

    by Do Gi Sang

    s*i*g*h. Yet another spin-off. Trek 90210. Trek SEALS. (Here's an idea: Call it TRek Above and Beyond, Chris Carter is looking to do a new series...) Trek Before Trek. Here's another idea: Give It A Rest.

  • Jan. 17, 2000, noon CST

    Let's have a kick-ass Trek!

    by dracoa

    I like #2 personally, that is *exactly* what I've been wanting to see for a "replacement" for my beloved DS9... As long as they have a good story to go along with the action, a series along those lines would be awesome!

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Go back to the beginning....

    by stsdata

    Galatic navy seals? You've got to be kidding. Let's do a pre-Trek series, when space travel was still dangerous and everything was new and exciting. The trouble with the all new space-based series is space travel is too easy. We zip around galaxies like we're walking to the corner store, and we're doing "General Hospital" in the stars. Who cares?! Perhaps if they combined ideas one and two.

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Poke Holes In This One

    by Captain Phat

    So, I'm liking this "troubleshooter" idea but thinking that just making them commandoes is too simple, too limiting. A smart, well-rounded team (we know the cliches: the tough one, the computer-savvy one, the pilot, the leader, the outcast, the newbie--pick a stereotype and run with it) with internal conflicts, political differences, sexual tension, the whole deal, could be great. To this I add the following: let's call this new series STAR TREK: THE SIEGE, and start from some point in the future that ties in with Voyager and the 10th movie where a new enemy (preferably an alliance of new aliens) has overrun the Alpha Quadrant with overwhelming numbers. The Federation, The Klingon and Romulan Empires, The Cardies, The Ferengi, etc..even the founders...hold on in isolated pockets on the most protected planets. We would start out during the invasion, as the war is being lost, and our heroes are being driven backwards...and together...as the governments are placed in the odd situation of having to cooperate to succeed...while at the same time seeking new allies in the struggle. Solving the plot dilemna of the week would not only be a problem, but simply traveling from planet to planet could be a risk. This would allow for plenty of internal political stuff, which was arguably the strong point of DS-9, as well as plenty of the exploration and adventure of classic Trek. The possibility of cameos from the other series would remain (we'd love to see more of Martok, for example), but the galaxy would virutally be a new one. Of course, there would be a new, tough as nails ship--perhaps with a holo- or morphing technology to alter it's appearance, rather than a cloak-- introduced, eventually, and a slowly growing cast of ancilliary characters added to the initial, small core.

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 2:57 p.m. CST

    can we say, merger?

    by OptimusPrime

    Okay, how about we take the three ideas and mix it into one for once...say, add just a few minute details. We start off with some alien race who wants to continuously try go back into the past and destroy the federation (like some first contact idea, only on a more annoying and continous note). Then, we start off the series with the Enterprise finding these aliens and urging the federation to send an elite force to take them down. So, with the suggestion of Picard, a ship is reassigned to take on this mission. They get the technology to go after these "aliens." This crew can be reluctant to take the mission or whatever and have that stupid 90210ish whatever dramatic feel to it there. It will also feature special forces crew members to take care of business (some martial artist in here for once??)! And then, have the appeal of going back in time to capture nostalgia. Who would be the cast and who would produce it is up to Paramount. But for God's sake make it action packed, interesting, and make it have the Borg make numerous guest appearances. I dont know what sort of ship to use for this, but hopefully one that kicks ass. There, can we please all the fans out there or what??

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Star trek new series....

    by journey log

    I think that the new series should be delevoped by fans,not by paramount studios.Think about without the fandom to back it, there is no star trek period!So paramount should consider a fan delevoped version of the star trek new series.Now,to do this is simple:posted in your home page as a monthly live comic format.With neat special effect and music.Along with a waiver rights,and permission from paramount studios.I rather go on the net to watch other fans beautiful unkown talent than thoes whoms see theirs job as a daily job at paramount studios.Remmember post your idea in your homepge not in web site like this post message board.it sound like fun>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 5:51 p.m. CST

    i'll take door nr 2, please.

    by thingie

    Number two. The rest suck like voyager did. Okay allright.. three could be good.

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Star Trek sucks, let it END!!!

    by AnakinSkywkr777

    It just does...the best thing to happen to ST in 20 years is Wrath of Khan and Jeri Ryan and that movies old and she's leaving the show...so so much for that. ST is old and worn out...at least Lucas didn't destroy Star wars and no one raped it like when Roddenberry died. The SW Expanded Universe isn't all that, but at least it's not what ST has become, shitter then a baby's ass after a meal of strained peas and carrots!

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 7:13 p.m. CST

    One show called STAR TREK- No gimmicks

    by Funk4America

    You all suck! Star Trek can be awesome, if they'd get away from stupid gimmicks and not tie themselves to star ships and space stations. Star Trek is supposed to be about people of different species living together in the egalitarian future. Voyager sucks because it constantly forgets this and to add insult to injury has no interesting characters, ecxept the doctor in my opinion. I am not interested in Chakotay or Janeway or any of these idiotic characters at all! I'm sick of the alien of the week cookie cutter episodes!, and trying desperately to be just like the shows that came before it and failling miserably! I want a bigger frame for star trek I want to see how people interrelate when they are spread out accross the galaxy I want to see how starfleet works, how the society changes, isn't that what Roddenberry was going for? They should have one show titled simply Star Trek, about people in the future, and how the society and the things that affect the society affect their lives, that sets the framework for and expands the universe of this show that many people want to like because they want to aspire to live in and create an advanced society. Any thing else is bullshit, and

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Forget "Star Trek" - "Farscape" is now KING!

    by kermit

    It is time to put "Star Trek" to rest. "Farscape", recently voted as the Best Sci-Fi series of 1999, is now the series to watch.

  • Jan. 17, 2000, 10:01 p.m. CST

    NOT #1

    by l_tomparis

    What Trek does not need is a horrible rip-off of the WB's lame ideas, except put in the Starfleet Acedemy. Wasn't Wesley annoying enough? I think I will disown Trek if they make the Acedemy.

  • Jan. 18, 2000, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Idea #4

    by Fry

    I would have to agree with fiend that Star Trek's creators are missing out on the whole idea of the Star Trek Universe by trying to segregate each show. I realize that basing the show on humans is the cheapest and easiest solution, but it is getting a little old in a galaxy that is supposed to be so diverse. The original idea behind Star Trek was equality and diversity

  • Jan. 18, 2000, 10:32 a.m. CST

    GAY-ASS STAR TREK MUST DIE

    by golgo-14

    All you losers who like Star Trek give respectable losers like myself a bad fuckin name. None of the new Star Trek shit since the original show has ever been any good, and yet you guys(the girls I know who like Star Trek look like guys, act like guys, and smell like guys) who like Star Trek obsess about the shit. Give it a fucking break already! Being fluent in Klingon isn't going to get you a job or a date for that matter. Knowing the history of Spock's fucking planet from the time it was pebble to now is boring and useless, just like anyone who likes Star Trek.

  • Jan. 18, 2000, 2:13 p.m. CST

    the next trek

    by willwc

    in trying to be completely objective, I'd have to say that of the three concepts, the second has the most potential for diversity. in a story where you have a division of the federation devoted defusing tense situations, there is tremendous opportunity for both physical and intellectual drama. A division of this sort would contain diplomats as well as special ops teams also adding to the storys dimension. development of a localized headquarters as well as a roving vessal have equal play, there are literally endless possiblities to be explored. while a Pre-Kirk trek would be interesting initially, the show would be hamstrung by an already tightly concieved history as well as a visual look that, in order to be believalble, would have to be lower tech than the original series. a "20 something" acadamy series really wouldn't lend any practical development to the trek continuity, because it wouldn't be accepted that every week these students would be put in adverse situations, and the show would be uninteresting if it were only about classes and whos dating who. My votes for the Trek, Special Ops. because while I know that this is a future where problems are solved by talking, sometimes I just want to see shit blow up.

  • Jan. 18, 2000, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Trek needs new blood in it's script writers.

    by QSquared

    You know what the problem with the next generation films has been(as much as i love every celluliod moment of them), not a single one has had a true bed guy. Generations was close, but ruined by a cameo apperance by Kirk and an "i really wanted to be feature length episode" feel. General Chang, Khan, now these were great bad guy's. Next Generation needs Lore back! He could kill Data ( that would be fun), Q needs at least a cameo in one film (as a bad guy again, not the sappy daddy he turned into by Voyager), and how about a rogue entity or two to round off the cast. Half decent close combat fighting is mandatory, epic space battles are a must, and we need some proper plots twists. The Baku and the So'na are the same species? Lets try Thomas Riker possing as Will for half the film, Data to actually turn on star fleet. Have a rogue changling take the enterprise towards earth, and attack. Or better have earth wiped out by the borg or something. Put some action back into star trek. We've heard how the Q started the vulcan/romulan war, lets see that sort of shit stirring again! And for once if a main character is to be axed, lets not have the swamp thing do it because he can, or dieing on a piece of falling bridge! Something that gets the adrenaline flowing. It's been established that Picard is swordman, so lets see a decnt sword fight, Blade/Highlander style. We want interest, lets not introduce brand new 'film aliens', use on of the thousands you already have. Lets have some John Woo style action, disrputor shoot out shall we. The matrix has proven Sci-fi doesn't have to be action or cireabral, the two are not mutually exclusive. Lets see intrigue in a Star Trek film, lets see the dare-to-break-the-mould stories that DS9 got hold of (a heist movie! Yes!) Paramount, stop milking a franchise and try to return it to it's former glory. If it's a new series we're going to talk about, why not leave Star fleet and the federation in the back ground for a change. Lets see all the action from a new species 'federation' of planets, lets see their first contact with the alpha quadrant. We all know Klingons, vulcans etc. Lets see some new ones that aren't flavour of the weak no hopers. Star Trek used to end a series with forbodying, the hint at the Borg in the first series of TNG, The dominion in Series two of DS9, what has voyager got? Scorpian was good, but the second part was a huge let down, I felt cheated! Equinox? Janeway might die? Fingers crossed! Oh well rant over.ST+SW are great.

  • Jan. 18, 2000, 8:57 p.m. CST

    How about a series called Starfleet Medical?

    by Elric428

    Its a shame that UPN cancelled Mercy Point, a series that held a great deal of promise about an emergency medical hospital in space. This series was very similar to the books created by James White known as the Sector General series. Well, here is a wonderul opportunity to try the idea again only this time set in the Star Trek universe. I think it has the potential for greatness. What do the rest of you think?

  • Jan. 19, 2000, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Captain Sulu, USS Excelsior

    by OverboardCharlie

    Well, put me in the category of those hopeless fanatics who are wishing for the Sulu series that will never happen. *sigh* oh, the missed opportunites. If I see another episode set in the fuckin' holodeck i'll throw a brick at my tv. Rick Berman and Branon Bragga both need to have a transporter accident.

  • Jan. 19, 2000, 12:29 a.m. CST

    it needs a rest

    by willjco

    I be brief. I agree with Laura74 up there - give the series a rest. All three ideas are lame: 90210 - obvious A-Team in Space - It's a cliche already. It'll be just like every other stupid "special ops" crap show to come along in recent years, from "Above and Beyond" to Airwolf to Viper. The best you can hope for is something that will someday be kitschy - like A-team or Knight Rider. The third one: Paramount had there chance to "break the mold" or "go back to the basics" however you want to look at it, in Voyager, and they screwed it up big time. I'm sure they're capable of dong it again. Being fresh and original is risky and difficult, much eadier to stick to formula. No, give it a rest,5 years maybe, time for fresh blood to come up, fresh new ideas to percolate, and for fans to get hungry for something new.

  • Jan. 19, 2000, 1:21 p.m. CST

    lay off the new trek

    by ladies man

    all i want to say is there shouldnt be a new trek searies untill the people with the power take advantage of the potental of voiager, witch is in my oppinion a hell of alot better than DS9 on many levels and if more attention is focused on the show's potential it may possibly be better than the next generation. so in closing no more star trek untill the writers and producers focus on their present project

  • Jan. 19, 2000, 2:17 p.m. CST

    It's the people in charge...

    by eviltwin

    The problem with Star Trek of late (and I'm talking TV and film)is that the people in charge of the franchise right now just seem to be bored with the whole thing. Get somebody like Joss Whedon to take over Star Trek...just about every episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer kicks serious ass, and maybe him or somebody like him can save Star Trek. Voyager bores me and I felt that last movie bit the proverbial big one. This is a franchise with tons of potentail, but it needs some serious help! And soon!

  • Jan. 19, 2000, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Retired "Star trek for the love of god"

    by journey log

    It been more then 30 years And now they want to continued the saga?Please give me a break!!! I love star trek,I meant the TOS. like every fans,we grow up with the show,it's time to move on.But I rather see it on the net.I have an idea.Lets make our own Star trek series on the internet as for fun.Were every fans can participate instead of just be hook to the TV tube.Think about it.Soon i be setting mine up,It's title "Star trek:Journey Log" Is about the first build constitution class starship and it is given it first test run through the galaxy with oods looking aliens and humaniods.The ship name "USS Liberty".Why this name?,cause I always did admired the statute of liberty.Now let see if paramonunt boys steel this simple concept.

  • Jan. 19, 2000, 8:40 p.m. CST

    i like voyager

    by gorlab

    i think idea number 2 is the best of the three, and i agree with what willwc said about a pre-kirk series, and i think voyager is a goood show, and star trek 90210 would be crap. there, i've said my piece.

  • Jan. 19, 2000, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Grittier idea

    by Bellboy163

    As a sort of mix of a lot of ideas, how about one based on the mirror universe? The one where humans are enslaved by those bajorans? It could be a beginning of the Federation, with them trying to start up again, a possible future to the current one, and set in a reasonably familiar scenario. It could even include those shitty human moral development ideas, that the writers are so fond of, seeing as these enslaved humans (who used to be savages) have very different concepts to the ones in the current trek universe. Even bring in some questionable choices by whoever it focusses on (god forbid!).

  • Jan. 20, 2000, 2:01 a.m. CST

    New STAR TREK Series

    by Duinidain

    Of the three proposed ideas for a new STAR TREK series, the "Starfleet Academy" is the one with the most potential. The "Navy Seals" premise is--put simply, not STAR TREK. As for the "Pre-Kirk/Early Federation Years" offering--well, nice try, but this seems like a storyline best suited as an epic STAR TREK novel by Vonda McIntyre. A carefully developed "Starfleet Academy" series would not resemble "Beverly Hills, 90210" in any way, shape, or form. Instead, it could focus on the Academy's faculty, a few students (the operative word here being "few"), and perhaps some personnel from Starfleet Headquarters. Of course, Ray Walston would reprise his role as Boothby as a regular cast member. The 40-kilometer Starfleet Academy Marathon (won by Picard in 2323) could also be a recurring story each season, as well as various students matching wits with the Kobayashi Maru training scenario. But, one big thing that could help get a series like this off the ground is someone REALLY GOOD cast as the head of the Academy, like Patrick Stewart as Picard, Jonathan Frakes as Riker, or--& this would be a real coup--Leonard Nimoy back as Spock (after all, our favorite Vulcan was an excellent mentor for cadets). The show could also branch out, with stories focusing on faculty members & other Starfleet officers traveling around the solar system (the city of New Berlin on the moon, the Martian colonies, the Academy Flight Range near Saturn, etc.). Moreover, this could also be an excellent opportunity to delve into the political arena of the Federation. THE WEST WING has done a great job of presenting a show about the workings of the White House. The new STAR TREK show could also segue into stories from an insider's view of the Federation Council and the complex relationships that certainly exist among members of the Federation. A "Starfleet Academy" show could definitely go where STAR TREK has not yet gone before: right into its own back yard by showing us what life is like back home.

  • Jan. 23, 2000, 9:17 p.m. CST

    stop posting your ideas

    by journey log

    Stop!! your are going to get rip off by Berman and Co.And they going to make alot of money on your ideas.Anyway is yal rear end.

  • Jan. 27, 2000, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Dose it matter?

    by journey log

    The hell with all this rumos.I mean with all this series rerun who need to suffer another stroke.I know that star trek will never die,But poeple do!_Hello?...lets move on-Ok..

  • Jan. 29, 2000, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Options

    by krass

    Hi, everyone. Firstly, I'm pleased to see the interest that is still being generated by this franshise that is now spanning 5 decades. I am an old Trek fan, and still remember watching the original series with Kirk and Spock when it first came out, as a kid. I still catch up with the series, however, I have lost some interest in what has happened in the last few years. I loved ST:OS because it was cutting edge for it's time, the nearest SF that came to it was Lost In Space etc. Then came ST:TNG. OK, I was sceptical at first, but Roddenbury did a great job. Then came ST:DS9. I was disappointed. Nothing happened. The space station just sat there. And then when I started to drop out. I have not seen an eposode with Worf in it yet (not because I don't want to, but because I had lost interest). And then same ST:V. Well, I started to watch ST again, but gave up. I have seen a couple of the more recent ST:V series and I am somewhat impressed (though definately not ecstatic). The cast/script has certainly moved since I last saw the series (I have only just seen Seven of Nine for the first time). Of the 3 options listed above I like the second (No. 2) best, but I'm not sure that this is going to bring Star Trek back into my world in the 21st Century. Yes, by all means, lets get some action back into the show. Maybe we can borrow a little from Star Wars, but above all, let's get the scripts back as exciting. I love a good script. The best Star Trek eposode that I have seen (in my view) is from ST:OS "Balance of Terror". I also have seen very good ST:TNG, DS9 and V eposodes, but Terror is my favourite. It show the skills that a Star Ship Captain of all would have had to utilise. The sensors were dead (God bless whever thought that one up !), and sheer cunning was required of Kirk. One thing that I really hate about Trek is all the Bullshit technobabble that they go on with, and how it inevitably saves the impossible. It makes watching that much less enjoyable. Maybe the idea of going back before Kirk, Spock and McCoy was around itsn't such a bad idea afterall. And try to get rid of the bullshit certainty that is there, you know "3.8 seconds until warp coil breach". I don't know about anyone else, but it urkes me that there is so much certainty in the coundown to any disaster. Generally, in the real world, there isn't that high degree of certainty. A good mystery novel dosn't do a countdown to the second of when one of its characters is going to have their head chopped off. Add a bit of human ingenuity, and rely less all the tecnhology. Please. The advantage of the "Enterprise" series (ST:OS & ST:TNG) was that the ship was mobile. DS9 was dead in the water and then Voyager went to the other extreme and was bumping into a new alien every week. How about a little stability (but not too much). How about a show that doesn't cover too much territory every week. One where an alien race can be on for a couple of weeks and then explored. But put some action into. And get some good scriptwriters. The special effects don't have to be brilliant (have a look at ST:V) but I'd spend more on scriptwriting. Make it a Sci Fi Mystery tale every now and then. What about the potential for a series where a smaller "Enterprise" was patrolling a designated area of dispute which covers a large piece of space. The starship is in command of several outposts and ships, remote from Earth (no holding the apron strings for this little Captain), facing up to the inevitable battles with a force of equal strength (something like the old Klingon Empire before they went to jelly), where the Federation doesn't always win, where technology is simply a vehicle for creating a story plot and not the answer to all of life's little woes, where the Captain has balls and is allowed to occasionally make a wrong call (but LEARNS from the mistake), where all the answers are not provided by the Computer, or Data, or whatever (but intelligent guesses are encouraged, a-la Spock) and there is some fun in the show a-la ST:First Contact. Please.

  • Jan. 31, 2000, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Options

    by krass

    I have just had the opportunity to read a few of the feed back, and must admit that I'm a bit worried. This idea of ST:Seals is a problem. I don't consider that Star Trek would be well accepted if it took on the worn out (by other Sci Fi shows and action movies) concept of 'let's get those Suckers', Blam! Blam! Blam!. Whilst I don't think that Star Trek has to sit back and constantly stay in the rut of saying to itself "What would Roddenbury do?" I think that some reference to his ideas must be considered. He set the original Enterprise (you know the one, before they had letters? just plain old NCC-1701) as a scientific explorer, not a military shoot-'em up. And Picard with 'D' did the same. Sure, space battles are good to watch, but let's not turn every episode into another Sci Fi version of John Wayne verses the Indians (or should that be Native Americans - I don't know, since I'm not an American). The idea of Gene's was to explore social issues, I seem to remember - OK well I think that might have been a bit overdone on occasion, but look I just can't see Star Trek working with Navy Seals (maybe in some sort of watered down version?). Everytime John Wayne gets caught going out to blow up someone/something, all he'll have to do is to dial his minature warp coil in his wrist watch, so that the molecular flow is reversed, pemitting a flow of negatively charged tetrionic particles and thereby time warping back in time to just before he walked into the room and catching the attackers by surprise - in other words he won't win by intelligence, he'll win by heavy use of Technobabble which we all know is Cat-shit. (See my comments of yesterday, if you missed them). I go back to my comments of yesterday, let's spend more on creditable Writers who come up with good scipts - even if they do have to rewrite "Run Silent, Run Deep".

  • May 15, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Traveler

    by justme2

    Why not take Will Crusher's character and do a Trek series on his adventures with The Traveler? More in line with the original idea of a space adventure for scientific exploration rather than the dark battles. Historically, when people are scared of the world's economy failing all around them, they like to watch something that's a true diversion. A story of hope and encouragement.